The Smark Avengers - The Shocker: Spider-Man’s Most Underrated Villain?

Episode Date: May 1, 2026

The Shocker might look like a joke… but is he actually one of Spider-Man’s most underrated villains? In this episode, Corey, Dylan, and Jon take a deep dive into Herman Schultz, better known as the Shocker. Led by resident Spider-Man expert Dylan, the crew explores the character’s full history—from his iconic debut to his many ups, downs, and questionable life choices. ⚡ In this episode: The origin of the Shocker and his signature vibro-shock gauntlets Breaking down his yellow quilted suit (and why it’s more practical than it looks) His inconsistent motivations: master criminal vs guy just trying to get by Where the Shocker fits in Spider-Man’s rogue gallery Whether he’s a legitimate threat… or just an easy win The episode wraps up with a look at Shocker’s appearances across movies, animated series, and video games, and how those versions compare to his comic book counterpart. Is the Shocker a low-level crook who got lucky—or a villain who never quite got the respect he deserves? 💬 Join the discussion: Is the Shocker underrated, or exactly where he belongs? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy Spider-Man deep dives 🔔 Subscribe for more comic book history, character breakdowns, and debates Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f

17. Oh, your screen is working again for me now, Dylan. I can see you. That's the power of zombie, where... There you go. There you go. You know what you mean? It just, it brightens everybody's day.

It freshings everything up, you know? Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Smart Avengers. Name is Corey. And with me is Dylan and John. How's it going, guys? Hello? Not too bad.

Not too bad. Better if we didn't know what Zombiever was. Yes. Sorry, sorry once again for introducing that into your life. Dylan, from what I understand, today is going to be a bit of a special episode where kind of stealthily in the background after 117, 118 episodes, you've built up a bit of a series of talking about Spider-Man villains that I really wasn't aware of until like thinking about it.

Because we talked about the hobgoblin and the various hobgoblins. We talked about the scorpion. We talked about the history of the venom symbiate, you know, owners. Yes. Yes. And then we kind of talked about Hydraman way back when. Hydramana didn't know about it. We kind of talked about the Jackal because we did like the Clone Saga. Yeah, we did.

So I would kind to Jacklin. Because you can't really like the Jackal's history is pretty much the Clone Saga and then he came back four times in various Clone Saga-esque escapades. So I think we covered the Jackal. I think we covered the main part of the Jackal really. So the Hydraman episode, I don't think, kinds. I mean, we kind of talked about, like, his origin and, like, what he did. I mean, he just

didn't have a lot to do, so it was a lot of slagging off on him. We had nothing else to talk about, so we just started talking shit about Ironman. But we didn't plan that. No, no. It just, it birthed this series of Dylan talking about Spider-Man villains. And also, one of the best thumbnails, I think. I, yeah, it's, it's, there's so many little details. It's, what my favorites. The Thomas, the Tank Engine Beach towel is still fucking phenomenal. nominal as I have to say. You pick that up like super quick. I didn't think you would.

It's amazing. Well, that's a good problem. Yeah. That being said, we're going to continue on with this. So, Dylan, what Spider-Man villain are we talking about today? Well, I think we can all agree that we've talked about some of the most popular and famous of the Spider-Man villains, Hobgoblin, right up there, you know, the Jack was a huge part of history.

Scorpion, you know, it's important. It's going to be in the new film. One of his oldest rogues. Hyderman, we all know, one of the greatest villains of all time. So, we've been hitting the big guns.

Pretty hard so far. And we heard some news recently, which by the time this episode was out, isn't news anymore. I don't think. I'm not sure when the comic thing is going to happen, but it might have already happened.

I'm not totally sure. Well, we heard some news about the shocker. Seminole Spider-Man villain, the Shocker. We heard some news about the shocker that shocked us, if you will. So is it worth me telling everybody what the news is? Yeah, I suppose so. I mean, we might as well, we might as well bring it up because I, honestly, honest to God, in almost true form to the character of the shocker, I found out about it talking to you guys

because most of the online chatter had to do with the other person that died. So even in death, he's overshadowed by someone else. Somebody, much more insignificant. Yeah, weirdly enough. With no proper, like, Spider-Man history, that's quite insulting to the shocker. long-running character, the shocker. Yeah, as opposed to like 15-minute long-running character, Paul Watts's name. I don't even know what his surname is.

Not important. Wasn't he the guy that directed Zombiever? Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think so. Paul Watts's his name, Paul Rubens. No. That was someone else.

Oh, somebody else. There's the thumbnail right there. Oops. So the shocker dies. And we were all very saddled about that. So we didn't have anything else to write an episode of a bite. So I still wanted to do with the shocker. That's how we are here today.

That's why we're here. Yeah, we're doing an episode about the shocker. I'm very excited. I love the shocker. You too also love the shocker? I do, actually. Yeah. Yeah.

Again, I think that a lot of people's introduction to Spider-Man was the animated TV show. And the shocker was voiced by Jim Cummings. If you're not familiar with Jim Coving's, if you've watched any kind of animated show in the late 80s or 90s, right up until he still does stuff, but, like, very popular in the least. late 80s and 90s, you will know who Jim Cummings is. He's got a very recognizable voice. Name also some of his characters he's voiced. He did the cat in Chippendale Rescue Rangers.

It's not the cat. I think he did the cat, but the big fat mouse. Marlory Jack. Okay. In Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers. He did Tigger. He also does Winnie the Pooh in the Pooh series. He was one of the guard, the head guard in Aladdin.

He is the firefly in the princess and the frog. Oh man, he's got so many. Like, you just know his voice. He does a very good, like, raspy kind of angry, um, scary kind of villain. And, uh, he, he does that, that very gruff voice for the shocker. And I feel like that to me, that's like that's, that's that's that. kind of image of the shocker is

perfect to me. I think a lot of people probably saw that and we thought the same thing. They're like, yeah, that's what a cool character that is, with a cool voice. Yes. You know what you mean? That suits his voice better than, like, if I voice the shocker, for example,

wouldn't have the same gravitas to it. You know? Yeah, the animated series was my first introduction of the shocker. I remember being like really which is really funny because the thing that he always gets mocked for is his costume

but his costume is what actually I liked about him that the yellow full body suit with the gauntlets on and stuff I just thought that was such a unique look yeah you don't see too many villains that are just completely draped in yellow the yellow and red like

really pops doesn't it? Yeah but like the silver gauntlet it's a quilt material as well kind of thing as well yeah yeah well in the anime series you didn't really pick up that it was like a quilt material i saw the pattern i always thought it was sort of like a chain league fence because of the the way that the lines intersect but then like yeah but then afterwards when you're actually like reading about the character like okay that actually makes sense that

yeah why they would be that way it makes sense he has to like insulate his own body from the vibrations that his gauntlets give up you know His gauntlets, by the way, they vibrate, like, air. They kind of push air. They vibrate air to give that, um, um, that kind of shaking feeling,

the vibrating feeling that, uh, vibrates everything. But in the TV show, in the, and the animated show, he shoots electricity out of his gauntlets instead, because that's,

that's a better, like, visual thing for kids to pick up. So, yeah, also because he's called the shocker. You're like, well, he's going to shock shit. Doesn't that make more sense?

Yeah, I would, that always trip me up as well when I realized that the shocker did not actually have electricity powers. It's like, um... It's compressed air, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, um, Cyclops with a laser vision, but it's not lasers. Yeah. And you're like, but it's definitely lasers. Like, it's not, it's not hot.

It's not lasers. And I'm like, what the fuck? Well, they break the rule with Cyclops all the time because they'll have like, they'll use weird, goofy shit with him like cooking things with his eye beams or whatever. Then you'll have something, oh no, his eyes are actually portals to other dimensions. Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay, yeah.

That's the one that makes sense. Just remember with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the shocker in the comics, he, he's a genius. Basically, let me tell you a little bit of a shocker. We're not here about the shocker. Let's hear about the shocker. Probably should at some point talk about the shocker.

I mean, we've been talking about the shocker, but talk about it in a more formal sense. Yeah. So his name is Herman Schultz. And his first appearance was an Amazing Spider-Man number 46. It was pretty early on in the Spider-Man tenure. March, 1967. That's, you know, as my recollection goes, quite a while ago. Mm-hmm.

You know what you mean? Created by Stanley and John Remed a C. junior, father of John Minna Jr., he designed the shocker in the very famous kind of quilty, red and yellow outfit. And he did it quite quickly, it's subliminally. He was like, well, this, you know, what do we know about this guy? Is he shocking powers? He's doing a lot of vibrating.

He would need something that would give him some sort of cushioning effect. And so he kind of made him look like he's wearing a quilt. and that is the kind of design that I think is really important. Well, obviously he's an artist, so he would think about that kind of thing. But we touched upon it earlier. But I think if you look at Spider-Man villains, like, fucking 80% of them are animals. And then the other 20% are gangsters.

Right? That's Spider-Man. And then the shocker is just a fucking dude dressed in a quilt. like he stands out completely his color scheme is totally different his demeanor is totally different his costume is totally different he doesn't have any powers he's not uh an animal he doesn't he just cares about money everything about the shocker is quite unique you know the color scheme very recognizable really like he really has this like unique look and i think that's part of the reason that people like him as well is because he is like different he's not just like you know oh

this one's a grasshopper or whatever. Like, he's a different thing. You know, it's a niche that Spider-Man kind of needed filled in a lot of his villains, because he is quite street-level. And it's weird that the street-level Spider-Man fights against, you know, octopuses and shit. It's a little,

Spider-Vers-Octucus, you know, you don't naturally, or Spider-Vus is Goblin. You don't always think that's it. Yeah, yeah. I will say this about Spider-Man. He definitely has the most colorful villains in the Marvel world. Yeah. In DC even, like, you know, like the hobgoblin, the green goblin, carnage, venom, shocker, electro, scorpion, Dr. Octopus, the Vulture.

It is all, for the most part, a lot of them are very brightly colored. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pops right off the page, and that's that, there's usually that Kirby influence. when you see that. Because I always think of, like, his designs for the new gods and the eternals and stuff. It's just nothing but big, bold colors that conflict and contrast in such violent ways.

Right. But again, that's a design choice. Yeah. It's very interesting that, like, people who are designing for other comics aren't really thinking about that. Or maybe, like, these days aren't thinking about that. It's like, you know, when was the last cool, interesting Spider-Man villain? long time ago.

In ages ago. Nobody comes up with somebody with that kind of cool design flare. You know, there's a reason, like, a lot of those older villains are still so popular.

It's because they're really, like, unique and interesting. It's not just because they were the first ones. I would probably be my, like, last good Spider-Man villain

that came along. People say Morland. I wasn't a fan. I think his, the first Morland story was really good. And then they had a problem where they kept bringing them back. Mm-hmm.

And then they made him have like seven brothers and they're all clones and shit. You're like, you just kind of leave the clones out of this shit, can you? It's a clown. All to wall clones. Never ends. But I thought Morland, again, when he was introduced, it was like quite a sleek, interesting villain, you know. But then, you know, after that, it was like, here's Jester.

Here's the squid. You're like, okay. Armadillo. Yep, yep, yep, you know. So the point is, Spider-Man has a lot of very cool villains, and in amongst all those cool villains, the shocker really stands out.

It really does. And again, it's possible to be because red and yellow does go well together, very snazzy. You know what you mean? Very snappy. That's Hulk Hogan. him. And look at him now.

Dead. Yeah. Maybe don't look at him now. Look at him whenever he was alive and not racist. Well, obviously racist. Yeah. Advertising it.

We go now, look at him back when he wasn't advertising that he was a bigot. Oh, this bit's getting cut out. Maybe not. We won't keep it in. Yeah, I hope you do. I will. The whole token fans need something to bite on. these days. Yeah, well, I mean, he's been dead now for a good couple of months, so they need

some new news. A couple of months. Certainly even a couple of months. Okay. Do you want to hear more about the Shogger? Or you want to keep talking about Hogan? I'll do it. I'll do it. Do it. Okay. Boy, Hulk Hogan. Or he's memorized by his cat, so he's not listening. No, I'm listening. I'm just trying to make sure he doesn't do anything because he's in a mood like that

nice yeah we're just gonna we're gonna move you no I can't he'll be back he's in a mood I can understand

why he might be a little agitated today he just really shocker that's it and he really hates Hulk Hogan yep

well he's named after dusty roads sorry checks out so Herman Schultz grew up as a very talented inventor and an engineer and obviously has used that kind of talent to create his little shock gauntlets

which I would imagine was not exactly what his parents wanted but that's what they got according to him he was like the world's best safe cracker this is before the gauntlets were properly made He considered himself to be the world's best safe cracker. However, the statistics for that is just him saying it. So I don't know if that's true. So I just say it is.

Let's give him some props, you know? Yeah. So. Seems like a trustworthy guy. I would trust a guy like that. I don't know why you wouldn't. So he got himself arrested a couple of times for, listen, he might be the best safecracker,

but maybe not the best at covering his tracks. We got caught a couple of times. And what he decided to do, while he was in prison, I'm not sure how this works. I'm going to have to go back and read this because I don't quite get it. But at some point, in prison, it was given the, or acquired somehow correct materials necessary

to be able to design his shocking gauntlets that he used to break out of prison with. I feel like that's... That's an oversight. Yes, correct. I feel like that's that's that's that's on the prison they shouldn't have been like

we'll just leave all this fucking metal and vibrating air material around I hope nobody puts it together with this screwdriver I have right here you know what you mean it seems a bit a bit silly but that's the 60s fucking who knows what happened in the 60s

yeah not LSD mainly I don't think goes man prisons back in the 60s are fucking hoot it was that's why so many people get arrested. Yeah. They were just so excited about the prospect

to going to prison. Yeah. Why does nobody want to get arrested anymore? Prison fucking sucks these days. It's not any fun anymore. They took the fun of it. You can't fucking make shot gauntlets.

You can't invent things and orchestrate your own escape. If this gets stabbed. What's the point? Why would he want to escape if prison is so awesome? Don't worry about it. You have a safe to crack.

There you go. Now we're thinking like the 60s. Now we're thinking like Herman Schultz. That's a sieve cracker in the world. So, obviously, after he gets out of prison, he thinks, I gotta crack some more seeps open and goes back into the banks. He's a very one-track-minded character. It's funny that they called him like some kind of like really talented inventor and engineer.

So he's pretty quite gifted and quite smart. And he's used it as smart to be like, I'll just rob another bank. the easiest thing to do you know what he mean yeah there you go he can't seem to get past that little curve of like well what else you acquire money he's like well all the money's in the bank so if i get into the bank take all the money he's just way to do it sense there you go well he's a smart man so in the first fight that they have with spider man shocker actually defeats spider man so he's got one win over spider-man but the second time.

They fight a second time. I'll never guess where they fight the second time. That's right, in a bank. It's a shocker, man. Tanking enough of that money. And Spider-Man, like, loose his thumbs, like sticks his sub so he can't press the gauntless on his

little... Yeah. Be clever. It is a good idea. Could have just broke those thumbs. He didn't do that. Spider-Man's a nice guy. No. No?

Yeah. He's a good guy. After this, Shaka did a lot of bum and about, and this is where we kind of really established the Shokker as a kind of like gone for hire, somebody who's quite happy to be kind of in the background or just to work for somebody else so long as he gets paid,

gets a bit of notoriety that he can use to further get paid. Yeah. That's all the matters to the Shokker. So you don't really see him do a whole lot of like major stuff? I want to touch on a couple of things that he did. So at some point he got a very understandable fear of the scourge of the underworld. I think that that's legitimate. Yeah, just as, and to kind of level set real quick,

for those who may not be aware of the scourge of the underworld, was it the early 90s, mid-90s, John? It was before that. Yeah, I thought it was the late 80s, yeah. I think it was happening before that. So there was the scourge of the underworld was this character that was just showing up and basically killing villains for the most part. Yes. Are there some like famous notoriety villains that the Scourgey underworld killed?

Not the shocker. No, of course not. Let me see. I did find some here. I was going to remember any of them are. I did find a list. on Wikipedia. These are people who have been killed,

who were killed by the Scourge of the Underworld, the first death in 1985. Enforcer, Miracle Man, hate monger, Megatack, The Melter. They got Megatack?

The Melter. Titania. Basilisk. The human fly. Death adder. Blue Streak Raith Jaguar

Mirage Hellraiser Shellshock Birdman Cyclone Ringer Turner DeCentury

Great name Oh you should see We should see his design Grappler Cheetah Vamp Commander Crackin Leitha, Steeplejack, Mindwave, Rapier, Firebrand, Hijacker, Hammer and Anvil, The Red Skull,

an unnamed member of the Watchdogs, Black Abbott, Rinch, and Blow Torch brand. Right. So. A variable who's who. I mean, I would say it was one particularly big name in there. Yeah, turn into a century. Of course. I mean, but the longest name, sure.

But for a lot of those guys, you could see why somebody of the shocker's kind of level of notoriety and lethalness as a villain might be a little worried that the scourge of the underworld is going to try and kill him. He got quite alarmed with that. And what doesn't help is that Spider-Man is all right. also clearly not taking him seriously, but then again, you know, he has a quilt for a costume. Then later on, like, he kind of like gets his nerve back and thinks, I'm going to be the one that kills the scourge of the underworld, which you think, okay. All right. I just need to turn a face, you know. That's, uh, oh, spoiler alert. He is not the person that kills the scourgeythe underworld. Dang.

So, nice try, Shocker. A lot of the time, like I said, he's kind of used as a for hire or somebody in a team or that kind of thing. Would you like to hear a list of some of the teams that the Shocker has been on? Oh, yes, please. Absolutely.

Yeah? How many, just roughly, how many think there are? These are the ones I get mine, so just take a stab. Five. I'm going to say quite a few. Like, I probably go for maybe 10 teams. 10. Okay.

Can somebody keep kind? I'll rattle them off. You happy enough? The 10 is all you need. Yeah, we'll just, I'm going to take them down. The second we hit past 10, we're done. We're going to have to see those toes, Corey. Finally get that feet count.

And we're going to make an awful lot of money. Yeah, we've got to charge up front, though, for that. That's the only the Patreon. Yeah. I'll keep count, but it'll be for the camera down there that's not released. The feed cam is separate. Yeah. The feed cam is always on.

That's an additional fee. It's always streaming. It's on OnlyFans. Only Feet. If you want it, you got to pay for it. And you can see live, Corey's Toes, live any time of the day. Like you do. It's worth it.

Let me tell you. Don't ask how I know that. I know it. Okay. You get the employee discount. Yeah. except the pay for it, but I get a discount. You get a discount.

Get out. Okay. So, let's go with some of the groups. These are the ones I could find. Okay? So, um, Eggheads,

Master of Evil. Hobgoblin's Sinister 7. Norman Osborne Sinister 12. Dr. Octopus is Sinister 6. The sinister syndicate. The Hood's Crime Syndicate. The Villains for Hire.

a different Sinister 6 the Kingpin's version of the Thunderbolts and the recently formed he also recently formed his own group called the Aftershocks How many do we get 10 exactly?

That's 10. Yeah. I'm going to bang on. Now does that, would you count the superior foes of Spider-Man as a group? Well, I was going to bring that up with you guys. Would you count that as well? because if so we're going to have to put the toe cam on well i thought that was the the other sinister six

you were talking about i am not sure that you only have five members as the sin of yes well that would fit that that would fit the tone of the book what now what i'm wondering is was that a third sinister six because one thing we know about the sinister six is there's been a fucking ton of them yeah yeah we had our our episode where we were building our own sinister six that was part of it was to go through all of the various incarnations and there there were a lot of them so like if you went back and listen you could probably hear how many times the shocker appears on that list did any of us pick the shocker no no we love the shocker so much they were like I don't want to want my team no I didn't even put them on my jerk off joke team What? He's not a joke, though. No, I could have been him, shot goblin. Oh, yeah.

Well, you know. But Air Goblin, though, because... Cheats, whatever. Yeah. So, his recent group, the Aftershocks, were very recently beaten by Norman Osborne. He was pretending to be Spider-Man. Well, Spider-Man was in space because, you know,

fucking who cares, right? Sure. That whole sentence made sense. Sure. You know, whatever. That's how Spider-Man's going these days. So, yeah, I kind of think that, like, a lot of Shocker's career has kind of been just as, like, a henchman or kind of guy like that.

Yeah. I remember there was a comic in the 90s. which funny enough some remitted junior Jared Jr. with the shocker in it and he was going through some I don't remember he was writing this

I wish he'd written a dime I don't know why I didn't write this down but he was going through some kind of sick he got bitten by Morbius so he's going for some real sickness which some people would call vampireism but according to Spider-Man he just got already sick

and the shocker kind of found him while he was sick and was about to beat the shit out of him like apparently he was about to kill him but didn't because he

the way it was praised in the book the shocker says I'm going to be part of something really big that's going to elevate me the big time so I'm not going to kill you Nogs I want you to see me then and I don't feel like this would be

fair if I kill Spider-Man, but he's not of his best. But he had the, he's like, remember that I could have killed you, which I think is quite a fun thing. Like, we've talked about the shocker and his, his questionable, you know, integrity, but for him to go to Spider-Man and go, listen, you could have been killed by the shocker. How embarrassing to you. Exactly. You know. Now, what's really funny about this is whoever wrote this did something similar with

Chopper, formerly known as PSPOT. Pete. But during this run had a real total redesign of his character and he also got to a point where he was about to kill Spider-Man and didn't because he found it was much more satisfying to let him go.

And Spider-Man found that very humiliating. Now, the bit where they kind of talk about shocker being bumped up to the big leagues whatever that storyline was supposed to be, I don't know if it played out the way it actually did, but

I mean, it's Marvel. It's hard to tell. Exactly. Because I remember that comic, and I remember the shocker going, big things are coming for me. I never remember there being any big things other than later on the trapster is being hunted by the shocker. And Peter Parker in a different disguise of Spider-Man saves the trapster from... The shocker, that apparently is the shocker's big moment, is that he was trying to kill the trapster. So there you go. That was that.

That's a very complicated storyline where Norman Osborne had come back and was, I don't know if he was running from there, or no, or if he was owning the Dealey Bugle yet, but he was a big-time kind of guy, and he had hired the trapster to make it look, look like Spider-Man had killed like a low-level gangster with his webby.

Never really was the trapster's glue. So Norman Osborne had hired the shocker to kill the trapster so that he wouldn't tell everybody. Because of this, Spider-Man had been framed and Spider-Man had to just ditch his identity. And Peter Parker took on four different identities.

One of them was Dusk. It was the guy that helped the trapster in this issue. One of them was ricochet. Oh, I'm not going to get all these right, am I? One of them was the prodigy. And the fire.

John, you remember where the other one was? No. What the fuck was the other one? Rickashade, dusk, prodigy, and a fourth one. And then once

the trapster confessed that he was the one that killed the guy, Spider-Man's image was restored so we could come back Spider-Man. Let's start to put that in to pad the episode a little bit.

Oh, I remember. It was the Hornet. It was the Hornet. Yes. Good man. I forgot all about that. I could see them in my head. No. That was fun. I like that. Yeah. Plus it gave more, you know, time for the Shocker, which was cool. Like, other than that, though, and the, you know, the foes of Spider-Man,

you don't really see a lot of, like, Shocker get in the spotlight, which I think is kind of what this episode. So it's about we feel bad the shocker isn't getting the props that he deserves, you know. So a last piece of research that I'm going to do is going to be all about the different appearances of the shocker in media. So strap yourselves in for this one. In terms of like animated series, it was in Spider-Man and his amazing friends voiced by John Stevenson. and the Spider-Man the animated series, of course, he was voiced by Jim Cummings. Spectacular Spider-Man, he was voiced by Jeff Bennett,

although in that series, it's not ready to the Shocker. It's like Montana from the Enforcers, and they're like, well, that apparently, like, the producer of that show thought Montana was a better character than the Shocker, so, like, we'll just make him the Shocker instead. I'm like, I don't think you can just do that. Whatever. Ultimate Spider-Man, he was voiced by Troy Baker, and then Spider-Man

2017 he was voiced by Cameron Boyce which apparently is the name in film in Spider-Man Homecoming who was played by Bochim Woodbine in video games here we go ready for this one in the video games

in that stupid Spider-Man X-Men Arcades revenge game that we were talking about off camera which is fucking hard his nails and his bananas he was in that as a boss he was in a Spider-Man 1995 game. It was out for the

Mega Drive and for the Super Nintendo. Spider-Man the Sinister 6 is voiced by David Hadrigar. Spider-Man 2 Enter Electro voiced by Dean Norris. Spider-Man 2002, voiced by Michael Beattie. Ultimate Spider-Man

voiced by Brian George. Marvel Ultimate Alliance, voiced by Brian Goff. Spider-Man Web of Shadows, voiced by Liam O'Brien. Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 voiced by Rick D. Wasserman two different voice actors

but I don't know why they just make the first guy back other guy's busy and they're like eh, it's just a shocker he's got a lot of split because that's not my favorite character to play Spider-Man Edge of Time

the DS he was voiced by Steve Bloom Marvel Heroes he was voiced by Dave Boat Lego Marvel Superheroes voice by Greg Ipes Sipes

C-I-P-E-S Which everyone is correct Just added it in Marvel Avengers Alliance Amazing Spider-Man 2 voice by Ryan Alonzo Marvel Avengers Alliance 2 Didn't have a speaking voice in that

Lego Marvel Superheroes 2 I guess he didn't have a speaking voice on that Marvel Strike Force And finally Marvel Spider-Man 2018 by Dave B. Mitchell. So, that's been the shocker. I think you can agree that even though he didn't really do a whole lot in terms of storyline stuff,

because he keeps popping up, he's a really good character to use in media, in TV shows, in video games. He's a great kind of boss or sub boss. Yeah. I'm a very recognizable character. You can keep bringing back. And yeah, you can do something with, you know? So that's what I got on the shocker.

How did you like it? I mean, he's a good little, he's a good little crony, that's for sure. I mean, my thing about it is I've seen two different depictions of him. And I'll tell you which one I prefer. Okay. There is the version of him where he's like, I want to make big moves and I want to get to the top. And then there's a version of him that's just like, I just want to get money and keep a low profile. And that's the one I prefer.

I prefer the shocker who's like, I'm just trying to get paid. And I don't really want to attract any more unwanted attention than need be. I mean, because like there's some, there's some little bits there that, you know, like, I mean, the guy survived the Punisher attacking Stilt Man's, you know, memorial service at the bar with no name. You know, like that's impressive, considering. Oh, we should talk about the superior foes. Yes. Would you want to do that bit real quick? Yeah.

John, my own means. I mean, it was a great series by, I think, Nick Spencer wrote out. The whole premise was boomerang starting his own incarnation of the Sinister Six. I think it was him, shocker, it was a new beetle, speed demon, overdrive, who could turn basically anything into a car. What was your favorite newest Spider-Man villain? Nobody said Overdrive. What was the last one? Oh, was it the living brain was there for a while as well?

Hydrored was a part of it for a period of time. There you go. And yeah, they just, the whole series is basically about them getting into hijinks and trying to establish themselves as the new Sinister Six, even though there was only five of them. Yes. And, yeah, just getting their asses handed to them repeatedly. Well, Corey had brought up something that happens in that at some point.

I believe it was that. Wasn't it? Yeah, so one of the big plot lines in that is they come into possession of Silver Main's head. and that is very highly sought after because Silver Main is a cyborg mob boss type and Shocker gets a hold of his head and is having to kind of like keep it

and I think there's like they made an action figure I think of speed demon that comes with the accessory of Silver Main's head on an RC car because like that was something that also happened in the book as well but there's like this C plot

of Shocker with this disembodied cyborg old mobster head who's just insulting him the whole time. It just, it just absolutely played up, like, these are kind of like the lowest level criminals in the Marvel universe. And, like, the fact that they're still alive is astounding. Yes. But, yeah, so, like, there's a couple of instances there.

Like, Shocker, I think he tries to, like, assume leadership. And everybody's response to that was to kick him out of the team. and bury him alive. Yeah. And like you said, one of them is that the Punisher is after Silver Main's head and it goes to attack Shocker and Shocker proceeds to you hit him with a do a shocker theme dune buggy while shouting don't mock the Shocker. So there you go.

But then after that, like the mob boss is really like, like it shines to the Shocker because he saved them from the Punisher. Yeah. So again, that's pretty big, you know. yeah again you know like it just seemed like Herman just kind of wanted to exist like that was it you know

like he was he was kind of the caricature of like every now and then Batman or there was a really good issue of this in the 1980s blue beetle comic that Lynn Wayne did of like here's the the whole issue is going to be from the perspective

of a henchman who's just trying to do his job he's just a guy try and do his job. And like you end up feeling sympathetic to them in a weird way. And like, shocker is that way. He's just, he's, he's a guy in a padded quilted costume that's bright fucking yellow. His nemesis is this asshole in a bright red and blue, like skin tight costume who makes fun of him for what he's wearing. And it's just like, my man, you can also look in the mirror.

You're not like high fashion either, you know? Yeah. but like that's kind of the kind of the charming thing I always found about shocker was like the powers are pretty one note you know he has these gauntlets and they do this thing cool um and once you figure out a way around him that that's kind of it yeah so he's kind of pitiful in a way and that's kind of what makes him endearing and it's what kind of bums me out with what happened to him especially the really roundabout way they did it I I understand understand why they did it, right? Like, what's a symbiates' weakness? Like, sound and vibration, because it disrupts the connection. Right. So they wanted to come up with a reason why torment, this new character,

was going to basically take shocker off the playing field. Because, like, Peter Parker's a smart guy. He would have been, like, oh, dealing with this, like, this symbiate issue, then, like, let's just get shocker involved, right? He'll help. So Torment goes, no, no, no, I need to, I'm going after these symbiates. I need something's going to take care of the symbiate problem for me. I'm going to kill a shocker.

That's fine. But they had to like tie it into like he had to have a connection. And it's like in his background is like, oh yeah, someone in Herman's family married a Watson at some point. And it's like, well, that's really lackadaisical. I would also argue to that point where you've said, well, you know, we have a symbia problem. We'll get the shocker involved. He'll help whenever. Peter Parker has had a symbial problem for...

His entire life. 40 years. I never once thought... I'll get the shocker involved with this. Short-sightedness. He went to the Fantastic Forest, a shit ton of times. Never went to the shocker. Yeah, short-sightedness.

Probably because he thought the shocker wouldn't help him, and I would imagine he was correct. I think shocker would have helped. Well, they can't even ask him now. No, dead. Too late. So I can see where you're coming from for that perspective. But I also don't know how well they like cleared that up.

And I agree that the roundabout way they did it. Irony, is it irony where we talked about how the shocker was so scared of the scourge of the underworld? It was actually killing low level villains. Yeah. He survived that and was not at all scared of some fucking guy who kills people vaguely related to Spider-Man. Yeah. And then dies to that guy's hands. Is there an irony there?

I don't know if it's irony. I mean, editorial inconsistencies probably. Surely, I would say editorial inconsistencies is just like the- It's going to be the name of the trade paperback they make of the recent Spider-Man run. But, yeah, no, I mean, you're right. Like, the character was portrayed as being rather cowardly, you know, and then for the longest time. And then now he's like, I'm going to fucking square up to this monster man. Didn't go his way.

Does anybody care who Torment is, by the way? No, I don't. I don't one bit. Nope. Because I'm already looking past Torment because they're advertising the Queen and Black storyline coming up. So Torment's not going to mean anything. Because we're already, we're already like a storyline ahead.

They'll mask him and it's like Harry Osborne or something. Like, oh, cool, great. I will laugh really hard if that's what the case is. They're not going to do that. You'd hope not. You'd hope not. Could do that. Not going to do that.

Who is a big... Who was a big connection to, like, the Watson's? Or is he just killing him because... That's tied to that. Yeah, it's tied to the symbiates as well. Okay. So, I feel like it's one of those things, like, whoever it is revealed to be is not going to be, you know.

It's Sam Johnson. And like, oh, mm. You know? Yeah, he's torment is killing extended family members of the Watson's, the Parkers, the Riley's, and the Brock's. Okay. So he is targeting people that are tied to pretty much anyone who has had extended contact with Venom, except for Flash Thompson. They don't give a shit about Flash. He does.

Riley. There's a reason for it. like he's he's he's going from like the the least relevant people to the most relevant people so he's looking at the outside members of the families and they go straight into them yeah

like it's not all symbiates it just seems to be Eddie Brock specifically and Murray Jeanne because like again we covered venom there's been a ton of venom's you know you gotta draw the line somewhere don't you it's a lot of killing

you know what you mean it's a lot well he's already got four families to kill like how many more families has he got I mean he he so he's killed off the like two of the people tied to Mary Jane and Dylan Brock got away yes

he couldn't kill a small child yes yeah 15 no he's not small child he's like 15 16 fucking whatever he's not normie you know who's who looks like he's 12 or 13 but it's supposed to be like eight yeah he's the driver license

doesn't give a shit about the Osbournes though you think he would but he does not complicated yeah complicated who would think the character named torment would be complicated you wouldn't want to start mess from the Osborne

so because fucking that's gonna get very strange you have to deal with the gold goblin or whatever the fuck he's calling himself these days then you're gonna get Harry Osborne coming back again and like hmm we said no you don't want this all right

yeah what did you think of of the shocker's portrayal in the MCU Spider-Man I was fun I mean he's just a dude working for Michael Keaton's vulture he wasn't an inventor

or something likeer he was just a guy yeah but I thought it was you know I thought it worked with the film but in the context of the film because again the vulture wasn't really the vulture No. I mean, honestly, the MCU Spider-Man world is like, this thing isn't really the thing that it's based off of.

Yeah. They're all in it. They all hate Tony Stark for some reason. I can understand. He's a bit of a jerk. He might be. Oh, he might be. So, like, the way they played it, I thought made sense because, like, they weren't like, you know, I'm the shocker. I'm the vulture. It was just kind of like, they're just doing what they had to do, like, out of necessity. and it worked fine. You know what you mean? Again, it had that kind of realistic,

more grounded approach that has been sorely lacking in the Spider-Mount comics these days. You know? Well, it is getting even more grounded. John, I was going to say, yeah, I like the fact that they kind of

explained away the technology of it all as well from the end stuff that was picked up after the Chitarians. invasion from Avengers. So that's yeah, yeah, that's basically how

you know, Shocker had his gauntlets and Vulture got his wings and everything as well, so Right. It makes more sense. These two people are both geniuses that create a very specific kinds of technology.

Hmm. I mean, it's what you think about it's crazy like you do sure well they do they do well do you have any more thoughts on the shocker that we

that we want to put out there into the world except for RIP are we speculating are they going to pass the shocker mantle onto a new character oh probably it'll be like a second like a shocker junior

yeah I mean it's not a new thing shocker yeah baby shocker to go along with Baby Chugg or not I mean you know there were multiple

I mean there was like a lady you know yellow jacket back in the day that was a member of the Avengers you know like they've done this before but just feels weird

there was a second rhino for a while that I think killed the original rhino at one point there was yes there's a lady electro for a period of time as well there's multiple Cravens

Lady Electro Lady Craven, Lady Octopus, Lady Scorpion. Two kangaroos? Yes. Which, again, you're like really... So in a weird way... In a weird way, Herman kind of had this weird extended run where he was the only shocker, and now he joins his brethren's

who've had multiple variations. Well, we'll see if they make Harry Osborne the new shocker. What's the name of Harry's other kid, not Normie? but he has like a younger child. Are you Osborne, Jr.? Yeah, there you go. I don't know. He's like three or something.

Philip? I don't know. I forgot. Yeah. The perfect new addition to the Spider family, the new shocker. A baby.

Some fucking kid. A baby Osborne. Baby, baby shocker and baby jugger not together at last. reunited and it feels so good I don't know how to draw that one well

I think that's going to probably do it for us today on the shocker unless there's something else we want to bring up about him we did pretty well I think we did okay so John what what shocking revelations do you have for us regarding your movie count for the year I mean I'm not sure if it's shocking

or anything but I'm now up to do 359 movies for the year so far. Okay. Damn. All right. Because it's just April now and you're almost at 400. You're past the halfway point. That's impressive. That being said, is the shocking revelation that you watched a snuff film or pornography. Weirdly, I mean, so weirdly like all it snuff. I mean, it's not proper snuff. It was just like a like backward slasher.

It was the movie Wrong Turn. Okay. All right. With a bunch of cannibal hillbillies just murdering people. From West Virginia.

I guess. Yeah. And my college has a little in the opening credits, they're showing news clippings of people and they mentioned two Bluefield State students

disappearing and I went, hey, I went to school there. I was one of the kids. I was one of the ones that disappeared. I ended up in Ohio. They didn't look hard enough. It's really easy to find me. Yeah.

I mean, I'm putting myself on the internet right now. That's true. I'm right here. You know, what else can I do? Please notice me. I've written seven letters. So, John, what did you think of wrong turn? It was fine.

Not the best slasher, but not the worst either, so... A good 2000 slasher. Yeah. Had a bit of Queens of the Stone Age on the soundtrack. That's... Yeah. It was good. Mm-hmm.

What did you give it on letterboxed? Uh, I gave it three stars out of five. That's honestly better than I was anticipating. Mm-hmm. I was, yeah, I was half expecting, like, a good solid two. A solid two. Two and a half. I thought.

Yeah. Well, John, if they want to read your... I must be a good horror movie, so there you go. Yeah, but that's not a good horror movie, though. Well, yeah. John, where can they go to read your thoughts on wrong turn?

They can head to Letterbox and find me at Big John Bowsky all word. And don't have me to get up to this week. During the week, on Monday, nights, I do a radio show from 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock UK time. You do a lot of cool, grungy music, and then some music you might not have heard before, a lot of, excuse me, a lot of local bands

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so please hopefully in two weeks time I get to see a bump in views for that video And that's it. There you go. I have the other show that's on this channel, new number ones, which is sort of a supplementary piece.

It's a good five, six minute long review of a new issue number one. I had a proper, well, again, I've been getting so many weird, like, caveats things. So the most recent one at the time of recording was Pop Kill, which is a reprinting of a comic that came out in 2020 for an even small, smaller publisher. So a bit of an odd one. But yeah, interesting premise. It's what if two formerly conjoined twins decided to start rival soda companies and then have a full out espionage war against one another. What? What if? What if? It's a good read. But yeah, no, you can find those episodes here where we strive to always aim for the smaller independent publishers, but I'm going to have to, you know, lax and do a DC or a Marvel on the weeks where they're just art one coming

out. You can take a week or two off. It's okay. Yeah, but consistency. It's always key. I'll, um, write like a fake comic and then you can. There you go. Armless Tiger Man meets baby juggernaut and baby shocker.

We might, we might get into the copy. The cover will be like that famous cover of detective where, like, Robbins jumping out of like that little panel where it's like introducing Robin, the boy wonder, introducing baby shocker. I don't think the world's ready for maybe shocker. Also, there is an unsettling precedent for people named shock coming through walls and falling on their face. So that might be a bad idea, actually. That's the cover. There we go.

That's the thumbnail. This is a Shockmaster. Oh, boy. I also have my other show, Large Old Cup, which is a spoken word, sort of stream cautious in the show. where I just talk about whatever's going on in my head at the time. I recently talked about how I was almost recruited to a cult. That was an interesting experience. Yeah.

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