The Smark Avengers - The Smark Avengers Kill Venom

Episode Date: August 28, 2026

For years the Venom symbiote has been a hero, a villain, a Lethal Protector, a Dark Avenger, a Guardian of the Galaxy, an ally, a thorn in the side of Spider-Man, and everything in between as it has bonded and jumped from host to host. Well the Smark Avengers are sick of it! In the past, the Smark Avengers have sought a permanent end to the likes of Aquaman, the Flash, Wolverine, Magneto, and Lobo but now it’s Eddie Brock’s turn! 🕸️ Sit back and relax as the Smark Avengers plot to kill Eddie Brock aka Venom: - Corey goes through the symbiote’s strengths and weaknesses - Dylan’s shotgun approach includes food poisoning, leaving him in North America under the current presidential administration, a Luigi’s Mansion-style vacuum, and more! - Jon’s single, in-depth plan involving kidnapping, marriage, assembling an evil gang Can Dylan and Jon get the job done? 💬 Join the discussion: If you had to get rid of the symbiote, how would to do it? 👍 Like the video if you enjoy comic book related discussions and humor 🔔 Subscribe for more comic deep dives, reviews, rankings, and debates Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk Click the link for Dylan's Twitch stream: http://Twitch.tv/spookylaroux Click the link for Jon's Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/bigjonbowski/ Click the link for Corey's show "Large Old Cup": https://open.spotify.com/show/2YHMppnl9inQevwLIxR64f Also be sure to check out New Number Ones posted every week on this same channel!

You know, we're so, it's a multi-purpose word. Yeah. Sure enough is. Hi, everybody. Welcome to this recommendation. His name is Corey. With me, Dylan and John. How's it going, fellas?

Hi. Was that any better than the first one? I feel like, well, we didn't associate John with another. Yeah, we didn't, we didn't bring John into it in a weird way, so. Not to say that there being a third mystery way is any, is much of a step up, but it's a still step up. I feel like a reason. John's heritage is kind of racist, but sure, let's do you. That's the beauty of John. I mean, it's sort of like, I remember like, what was it?

Somebody said, like, the beauty of Spider-Man is because the costume covers up everything. Spider-Man could be anyone. John could be anyone. This is great. Is it what I just said? People are like, what? What did they say with John's heritage? Well, you'll never know. Because we don't know. What we do? I don't. I already said it. Oh, that's right. Dad. But the list is they're going to cut that bit on, so they don't know. Yeah.

Save it for the blooper real. We know. We know. We know. We know. So, guys, welcome to the show. Thank you. How's everybody doing?

Very good. Glad to hear. Glad to hear. So, we have been enjoying some of the hits recently, so to speak. We've did another series of auctions and roulette. spins. We did another slideshow presentation not that long ago. And today, we're going to revisit another

concept of the show that we have enjoyed in the past, which is we're going to attempt to kill a character. In the past, we have attempted to and maybe successfully terminated the existence of Aquaman, of Wolverine, of the Flash, and Magneto, and Lobo. So by process of flipping back and forth between the big two,

it's now time to do a Marvel character. And as such, it's a character that we have found ourselves talking about way more often than we care to at times. And this one was a bit of a special request from Dylan. So at first, I thought we were just going to be doing the symbiants as a whole. But we're going to narrow it down. And today, John,

and Dylan, you have been tasked with terminating the existence of venom. Now, the question that I have for you is, is it a specific venom or is it just the venom symbiate? Because, like, how you would approach the Peter Parker black suit Spider-Man, we might be different than how you approach Eddie Brock or our friend at MacDonald Gargan or Flash Thompson or any of the other. unfortunate souls who have been a user of the venom symbiate. So I guess that's the first question I'm going to ask you guys specifically.

When you went into this preparation for this, was there a particular venom you had in mind? I would hope we were both thinking about Eddie Brock. Yeah, that was my line I think and definitely. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Because again, like you said,

different venom's, different approaches, probably. So the approach that you have is you're going to exterminate and remove from this earth Edward James Brockington which I assume is what Brock is short for people short in their last names right? No.

Oh, okay. Anyway, yes, Eddie Brock, we're going to exterminate the existence of just in time for him to get the venom symbiambiate back. We're going to take him right the fuck back out. So, that being said, in tradition, I usually

take the first part of this to go over the strengths and weaknesses of the symbiate or of the character that we're attempting to kill and potentially increase the difficulty of your plans. Very famously, we were about 45 minutes into talking about various flashes before we sufficiently broke. I think before we begged you to stop talking about the flash. Yeah. Yeah. This kept going. It was just so many. there's yeah well every flash had different powers including i still think my favorite one was like he could make himself he could make his brain faster so he could remember things he'd forgotten

that was like one of my favorite that's just called memory yeah i don't know how you would i don't know how you quantify that or how you discover you have that knowledge or that that's somehow any different from just remembering something i made my brain speed up and i remember where I put my keys. Oh, I remember stuff I've forgotten. That happens to people all the time. It's not a power. Yeah, or is it?

Maybe we're all the flash. Maybe we're all the flash inside of us a little bit. A little bit. We're all touched by the speed force. All right. Anyway, yes. So, unless you guys have any questions that you would like to discuss now, I am going to go over the traditional strengths of the symbiate.

Go for it. Okay, cool. Yeah. So symbiates empower the natural abilities of a host to the point where they far exceed that of normal members of the host species. These abilities include superhuman strength, speed, endurance, agility, a healing factor, and intelligence enhances, and they enhance other natural attributes as well. The symbiote also has genetic memory, are able to recall information from previous hosts. So a wealth of knowledge it can always draw upon. that only gets more and more diverse as it takes on new hosts.

The ability to negate damage caused by terminal illnesses and permanent injuries, but not actually heal it. For example, Eddie Brock was able to survive indefinitely with terminal cancer, and Scott Washington, who I'm not familiar with this character, was able to walk despite being paraplegic. Who is Scott Washington? Oh, he was a... I have no idea.

He was a symbiate. He had a symbiate called a... hybrid. And he appeared in New Warriors number 21 in March of 1992 by Fabian Nassiza and Mark Bagley. The hybrid symbiate first appeared in Venom, along came a spider number one in January of 1996. So, there you go. Scott Washington was hybrid.

His character design looks terrible. He looks like a tick more than anything else. Okay. Not the tick, though. He's red instead of blue. No. So we also saw that with Flash Thompson. and, you know, having, being a double amputee, being able to walk and whatnot.

Sibiot's... Oh, a carnage. It is other fucking lower half, right? Yeah, this entire lower half being gone. Which got fixed because someone cloned Cletus Cassidy for reasons. It's all garbage. Okay. So, Sibiot's can expand to any size as long as they have something to grow on, such as a host or an object.

Sibiotes can get inside of small areas such as electric wires, any inside of cars, completely disable them. The symbiate also reacts to the thoughts in will of the host. When Spider-Man was originally selected by the Venom symbiate, he'd have been thinking about Spider-Woman's costume in Secret Wars. The symbiate acted on this and formed a similar costume, the one seen on him and Venom. So that's a factoid I didn't know,

that basically the reason that the black suit Spider-Ban looked like that, and Venom has, his particular look, is envy of how cool Julia Carpenter looked. Right. all the other Venoms look like Venom. They are all jealous of how cool Venom looked. Not that cool. So the following functions have been demonstrated

from various hosts. The ability to form fangs or simple bladed weapons out of their limbs. The ability to form tendrils from their body. The ability to project the surface of the symbiate to attack at a distance. So basically, like, extend parts of themselves at Extreme Links, kind of like a Mr. Fantastic ability.

the ability to shape shift from mimicking clothing up to and including complete change of appearance, regardless to the host's actual stature and bodily dimensions as the symbiates are living tesseracts. The ability to stick to walls, which was adapted from Spider-Man. The ability to produce toxins and venoms, such as the toxin, full-bite venom delivered to the Sandman. The ability to produce webbing from its own mass, which was also adapted from Spider-Man. The venom symbiote also has emphatic abilities and is able to produce. able to project desires and needs into the thoughts of its host or potential hosts. This ability can aid venom in detecting the truth from those he interrogates.

They can sense the presence of other beings within a certain distance. The symbiates bonding protects the host from Ghost Rider's Pennant Stair, which is a throwback to a conversation John and I had last week about how the Pennant Stair is a completely neutered thing. Venom and its descendants all possess the ability to bypass the spider sense. because the original symbiate was attached to Peter first, it took his genetic material and spider powers. This means that the symbiate attacking Peter can essentially be Peter attacking himself,

which wouldn't set off his spider sense. During the Clone Saga, this became complicated, as Venom did set off Ben Riley's spider sense, but Carnage didn't. Makes sense out of that. Probably bad editing. Probably a bad editor on that. There was a lot of that going on in the Clone Saga.

by the way I believe it's a one or two part series on the Clone Saga from about two years ago I want to say looking to the archive on that one Dylan and John really did a thorough rundown of the Clone Saga and all the various ways I don't even know if that thoroughly

it was probably lozish that we missed Oh yeah 100% You talked about several characters I had no fucking clue I'd ever heard of before so I mean that doesn't seem like it was slapdash to me but okay So I was very I've never been very drunk for that Fair.

The ability to create storage portals inside of them. This created easy access to Peter's camera. So they could make little pocket holes and boys. Oh, yeah, yeah. Each symbiote has its own unique ability, such as carnage being able to see from every direction of his body. Weird.

How do you control that? That's not what? Yeah. Anyway, in some realities, Venom symbiate has been shown to be able to replicate itself. So those are the strengths of the symbiates. Anything there that was covered that you were not aware of. Are Carnage been able to see stuff from his ass or whatever?

Yeah, when did that's come up? That's unusual. Where did he be bragging about it? Yeah, thank God you guys aren't going to try to kill Carnage, because how are you going to sneak up on a man who can see you through his hole? Just leave that awkward silence there. I'll leave up there, I think. Yep, we're just going to leave that right there.

But yeah, so any new, aside from Carnage's ability to see from every dimension of his body, long or short, anything new there that you were not aware of. Nothing that would impact this, I don't think. No, no. Is there a particular reason why, like, every venom, aside from Peter and Flash Thompson, is, like, big, hulking, drooling, toothy, giant tongue? Do you think it has to do, like, the nature of the person who's wielding it? I think that was part of it. Like, the symbiote was supposed to be attracted to, like, the anger of Eddie Brock. It wanted to bring out the evil side of Peter Parker and it couldn't.

So when it found Eddie. Brock who was very angry and very alone that manifested physically into like a monstrous visage and something similar with McDonnell Gargan where like he was kind of down his luck and he was very angry. He's already like

mentally unstable so I think getting the Venom symbiote you know the symbiote understood his frustrations and his anger and just manifested that I would imagine that's why those two did and the implication is that Spider-Man and Flash Thompson have more of control over their own mental faculties.

I thought as well that maybe Flash had some sort of implant or something in the symbiate which kind of kept it under control a bit more and I think that's why when yeah yeah

and McDonald Gargan when he was in the the Dark Adventures where he was basically playing the Spider-Man version. He had something put in similarly where it was like kind of reduced in the size of it so he just looked like Spider-Man.

Yep. That's true. That's the answer. They're angry, but also microchips. Microchips. There you go. So that being said, would you like, now this is like the first because notoriously,

when we've done this, we have tried to find characters that would be difficult to kill in the sense that like Wolverine's healing factor, Lobos healing factor Magneto's endless supply of electromagnetic force fields that he could just put around himself

the flash being multiple powers that undoes shit and Aquaman's Magic Water Hand so you know this is the first sign that we've had a character that has had very well-established weaknesses so like this would be the equivalent of like, all right, we're going to do

how to kill Superman and it's like kryptonite, going to be right out the gate, you know? But that being said, there you go. Would you like to discuss the weaknesses of the Marvel symbiates? Yeah, why not?

So, symbiates are naturally weakened by sound waves and intense heat. Additionally, in some stories and games, mostly mentioned in the 2000 Spider-Man game, they're also weakened by a magnesium. I've never heard that before. Magnesium is a pill that you can take to help you sleep better.

I know for sure that's a use for it. It could also apparently injure the symbiate. So there you go. However, as each new symbiote has spawned a child, a natural evolution seems to not only increase their strengths, but also reduce their weaknesses, aka comic book storytelling, where we have to keep increasing the difficulty

because they've already beaten the thing before. Even already existing symbiates can mutate and develop these resistances. Still, there has not been an invulnerable symbiate in mainstream continuity because the newest breeds can be harmed by incredible amounts of sonic waves and heat. Also, in the mainstream Marvel Universe, symbiates are vulnerable to heat produced by high-voltage electricity. There are other weaknesses as well. Iron Man managed to create an antidote formula that could destroy a symbiate, which should be noted that these were actually just a virus-like biological organism, created by Dr. Doom originally based on the Venom symbiote and were specifically made as a bio-weapon. With venom and carnage, authorities have been able to keep the symbiates in check with chemical inhibitors.

The criminal Styx nearly killed the Venom symbiote with his lethal touch, whether a symbiote can mutate and reduce the effects of these weaknesses as unknown, although Carnage claims to have developed invulnerability to Sonics. Also, when a symbiate bonded with Wolverine, it was pushed out by his advanced healing factor, allowing Wolverine's healing factor although Wolverine's healing factor had no use when he was bonded to a clone of the venom symbiate.

I don't know how that would work. It doesn't work. It works against the real thing, but not against a clone of the real thing. Noted. This is why we've got to kill them. In some incarnations, the symbionionty is depicted as requiring a certain chemical

to stay sane and healthy, which has been found to be in abundantly in two sources. human brain tissue and chocolate. Two things frequently go together. Human brain tissue and chocolate. I eat them together. Thus, the host is forced to steal

slash buy large amounts of chocolate or become an unwilling cannibal who devours the brains of those he kills. This peculiar trait has only been witnessed in the venom symbiate, however. Both carnage and toxin have threatened their enemies with aspirations to eat their brains, as well as other body parts. When toxicity, team was Spider-Man and Black Cat, he struggled to keep himself together, telling Spider-Man

that he was only joking about eating robber's brains. On at least one occasion, Spider-Man was able to exhaust the symbiote by taking advantage of the fact that it made its webbing out of itself. After the symbiote had already used a great deal of webbing to bind himself to a bell, Spider-Man forced the symbiote to use even further webbing so that it would exhaust itself like blood dripping from a wound, although the sheer amount of webbing that the symbiate would need to use for those weakness to be exploited makes its use in a fight limited. So, those Those are the established weaknesses of the symbiates. We have sonic waves.

We have intense heat. We have a dependency on chocolate and or human brains. We have magnesium. We have a Iron Man secret potion. We have advanced healing factors. We have, but they aren't good against clones of them. Just the main one. We have electricity.

We have over-exertion. we have chemical inhibitors, which they didn't clarify what any of that meant. And was there anything that I'm missing out on that? Probably. There's probably some other thing. Okay. So what I'm saying is that

the symbiates do have weaknesses. And before we started recording and you joined the call, Dylan, I was talking to John. I was like, this one feels a little weird because we've not had a character in one of these episodes where they had such well-established weaknesses. And,

John very astutely pointed out that, yes, these are established weaknesses, but they have never been killed by them. So that is something to consider. Any questions, though, about any of these weaknesses or thoughts or comments? I think we're good. Yeah. Okay. So in the tradition of the show, and this is me just going based off of past, and if it's not the same this time, by all means, please tell me. Dylan, you normally have like a series of, of potential ideas, and John has one very big elaborate idea.

Is that the case this time around? Oh, yes, very much so. Okay. So also in traditional style, Dylan would go first because you would say that your ideas are, a lot of them aren't that great. And then John would go last with his larger explanation. So is it safe to say that is the route that we're going to take in this particular episode? I believe so. Yeah.

Okay. Well, if that's the case, Dylan, by all means, grab the list of Dylan, the list of Captain Explodee, and start to read through the 1,001 ways you're going to kill the Venom symbiate. Okay. Well, first of all, I'd like to say that I wrote this list with my new Hello Kitty pen. Isn't it adorable? Yes. The little spins around.

Oh, that's good. It's great. Oh, wow. Oh, oh, oh, up and die. Oh, I just wanted to show that off. If you listen to this on Spotify, go watch on YouTube because you're going to see something incredible. I just see it for free. Yeah, exactly.

Or if you're listening to us on Apple Podcasts or all the other ones we're on. We're all like on every streaming platform, by the way. I feel like we specifically call it Spotify the most, but we are on all of them. Iheart radio. Nobody listens. Nobody listens to that shit. Yeah. We're on something called Zoom or something like that recently.

Nobody's listening to us on Spotify. They're definitely listening to us on Zoom. I see the analytics. I haven't seen them. All right. I'm going to try to kill Venom in what is always a very haphazard and potentially not effective manner. Okay.

So I've just written some stuff down. So we know he's like afraid of fire or whatever. Yes. So step number one, throw him into the sun. Okay. Easy. I've also written down, throw him into the moon because you're like, well, you better try all of them.

You know what you mean? Just to be sure. And he breathed in speed. I think Flash Thompson could breathe in space using the flenet air venomous in. He was a, Flash was a member of the Guardians of the Galaxy. Here's the thing, because they use this gimmick where they're like, oh, because he's like an alien symbiore from a different planet, he can like breathe through space.

But I'm like, we're from a planet that's also in space, and we cannot breathe in space. Yeah. So if you think about it from that angle, to someone else from another planet, we're the aliens from another planet. So are we able to breathe in space? Right.

Just because you're from somewhere in space doesn't mean you can breathe in space. That's crazy. You know, sure, we don't know what the atmosphere is like on fucking planet of the symbiote, but then you're like, well, maybe he can only breathe on Earth because he's taking over a host body. The symbiates even need to breathe through? That's exactly. I'm sure the symbiote can breathe through space

or live through space, but when you take the symbiote with the person out of Earth, surely the Earth rules still apply to the person. Yeah, because of the person. Because like you said, the symbiote doesn't have to breathe, the person does. Yeah, because then like, yeah, well, and if you're doing that, and most of the time the symbiate costume,

like the symbiate completely engulfs the person. They have to have some method of like breathing for that person or else that person is just going to suffocate inside of the symbiate. Because like, for example, I like very famously like Venom's mouth, you can like split open and you'll like see Eddie Brock's face in there. But then it closes back up implying that like Eddie is further inside of the venom than just outside of just like the jaws. So that being said, like that's very excellent.

point, how does the people inside of the symbiote breathe? Exactly. Because it's like a symbiopoeia. So it's going to be like airtight in there, you would imagine. You would imagine so.

I would say if it's got the ability to like recreate lost limbs or hold back cancer, it can probably you know, create oxygen for the the host to breathe

comfortably in space. I feel like these are all really good points as to how fucking stupid and gimmicky the simeotaur. You can't argue with that. Perfect. So throw them into the sun or the moon

is what I've written down. Sun definitely effective because of the heat. We've already talked about how they're afraid of fire and shit. So that's pretty obvious. obvious. I've written down skeleton attack. I assume that speaks for itself. I've ridden down.

This goes back to a point Corey was talking about in the weaknesses, because it was one of them that was quite a, like the Ironman one was quite ill-defined. You're like, what does that mean? Yeah. They've written down. A symbioteeating virus that's manufactured in some sort of laboratory. Yeah.

Like you do. Yeah. To beat him some bad chicken. that'll kill anybody Have you ever eaten bad chicken? Yeah but have you had food poisoning Uh, no

But I have eaten bad chicken I have had food poisoning from bad chicken And um People react to food poisoning In one of three ways It either is dispelled through the mouth Dispelled through the lower extremities Or through both

I am a vomit person So if I were to be wearing the symbiate and I were to eat bad chicken, well, first off, is the symbiating the bad chicken or am I eating the bad chicken? Or is it all going into the same place? Like, my question is, again, it's defined. Yeah, because my question is, again, like, they talk about, like, oh, you either have to eat a bunch of chocolate to sate this chemical that the symbiate is dependent upon or human brains. Because, of course, you know, it's both.

And it mentioned, like, oh, you become an unwilling cannibal, but are you actually eating it? Because we just talked about how the mouth wasn't attached to the person's mouth. The symbiote's eating it. Yeah, symbiates eating it. You're just there as well. You're like a passenger. Exactly.

Questions. So if the symbiote eats by a chicken, it dies, but you're okay. Yeah. So the symbiates eating food poisoning, and I'm fine. They get salmonella. And I'm, like, walking on. sunshine. Speaking of that.

When I got food poisoning, by the way, I had a friend come by with English muffins and Gatorade to put food in electrolytes into me. So perhaps that's what Eddie Brock would attempt to do to the venom symbiate if it got food poisoning. It would be like, hey. Puffins? Yeah, exactly. Here's some English muffins, or just muffins in your case.

And some Gatorade. I would conjure with this. You said your friend brought them to you? Yes. Eddie Brock does not many friends But Eddie Brock is in love Well the symbiates in love with Eddie Brock We establish that in the Mary Jane comic book

You can be in love with somebody and not be their friend Oh boy Dylan you got this is getting deep This is a conversation I feel like I've needed to have About like loss and letting go You can love someone and still not be a part of their life Like Corey I'm like a therapist for you

You know what I mean It's like karaoke for the soul. You're going to start crying. I'm a lot of things. This is how I feel. Is that in the first intro or the second intro? I don't remember. We'll find out.

We'll stick it. We'll figure it out. So, a lot of feelings of people. This is what people don't talk. I've also written, just leave him in North America and the dire governmental

administration will find a way to kill him. Ladis will give him uncontrollable diarrhea. He'll get Ebola or the black plague now, apparently as the thing that I've seen, some of the disease. Or he'll get rounded up and put it into a camp because he's considered to be a foreign menace or also because he's a little

too black. I mean, well, the symbiates also technically genderless, so that's also a fact against it. I don't like that either. I don't like that. They'll also get to blame for. trying to assassinate the president or for slicing up the monumental pool or whatever he'll get blame for all this stuff he's got he's got a lot of stuff going against them

that this card administration aren't fans of and so they'll just find a way to just wipe him out so i like what do you think of that one corey that's some art-hitting satire right there it's not even satire i just read out the real thing that's just that's just a real thing you mentioned he's you mentioned the black blake uh to Berculosis just came back as well. That's exciting. We all love TV. The Black Plague, I couldn't believe, because the Bercculosis is a thing, but the Black Plague,

I'm like, we ground that hard fucking ages ago. What are we doing here? So the Black Plague has never gone away. It's always still there, but it's just there in little small bites. It doesn't, it doesn't ever completely go away. I don't think the Black Plague was in Florida. No, no. Well, I mean, it's always there.

It's just, it's not a lot of it at once, but here we are. So how often do you come across the Black Pleaic? They're getting black lesions. armpits and crotches. I would say it's been about 600 years since the last time I came across it. It's been a while for us

over in the United Kingdom. Yeah. You guys, it's been so long while he lives in the United Kingdom. He's got his passport so legally you guys have that, you don't have that problem where if you have a password from somewhere else

that you can still get mad at you. That's Venom. That's what I've said. They're looking at his passport and like, planet the symbiotes. What's that? That's suspicious, sunny, back of the line. Bad places. Yeah, this sounds like made up. They got a lot of oil on the planet of the symbiates?

You have an oily appearance to you. I'm just curious. Well, exactly. He looks oily, so they'll kidnap him to make him into, like, oil and then have a war about him. Yeah. And Iran will try to bomb them or whatever. Will, they'll, you know, they'll attack the planet of the symbiates under false pretenses. No, they were going to attack us.

first. We had to get the drop on. I feel like I feel like if the planet is the planet of the symbiotes and we've seen what the symbiots can do I don't think it's really false pretences

I think it's more like just if you just hack them at all just to get rid of them that's all right. In the Guardians of the Galaxy comic the planet of the symbiates seem pretty chill. It's not dope. It's made of symbiates.

Yeah, they all seem to just be doing fine. It's a horrible, terrible place there's nothing but pain and despair into my comic book life. This is why we're talking about this. This is exactly why we're talking about today's episode because of the plans of symbiodes. It wasn't for them.

We wouldn't be killing anybody today. We'd be talking about hot dogs or something. It's probably hot dogs. We do that a lot. Eddie Perry. Eat Perry eating hot dogs. I've written down a Luigi's Mansion style vacuum cleaner that sucks up the symbiote.

And then you blow up the vacuum cleaner and then cheat Eddie Brock in the head. Don, that's that's that. There's more. I will say that I'm glad that you brought that up because we talked about killing Eddie Brock's version of venom. Are we just killing the symbiate or are we also killing Eddie Brock? Well, that one I wrote, blow up the vacuum and then shoot Eddie Brock slash whoever in the head. So just kill whoever you want.

Most of this has been me trying to kill the symbiote itself, but you can kill. I figured the best way to get rid of the symbiote completely because it always goes back to Eddie. just kill Eddie Brock and then, you know, sweet, done. Give the symbiote so much chocolate that it gets diabetes. An option. It's that or brains? Do you get anything negative? Do you eat a lot of brains?

Probably the Black League. Which I imagine is what the problem in Florida was. Too many brains. Delicious brains. He has to fight Triple H in the main event seen circa 2003 to 2004, which is guaranteed to get him. to be buried or at least have a dead career.

So that would kill him. I think that would kill anybody dead. And then professionally. Oh, yeah. So that, that counts, you say kill him. He's dead and gone.

He's buried. Yeah. He's done. Well, I mean, Triple H would bury him. Huh? He would,

Trouble H would bury him. He'd kick out of his finisher at two and then, you know. So I'm saying, kills his career, buries him done. Tripoli is the man, sorted. A spike through the head.

Okay. Sure. That'll hurt anybody. Getting stung by bees, potentially Nazi bees. Because we know they're the worst kinds of bees. Or, or wasps,

whichever one is more venomous. Ah, I get a venomous because he's venom. White and low saxon Protestants, I feel you. Okay. And that was it, that was my list. So you could choose which one you thought was the best. So I decided to look this up because you talked about eating too much chocolate. I was like, was there a negative

side effect if you eat too many brains? So I will mind you that this is through Google search. So Google always gives you the AI overview first and foremost. And this is your asterisk that the validity of the statement could be complete bollocks. But consuming brains can cause transmissible spongiform encephalopathages, which are fatal, untreatable brain disorders triggered by abnormal proteins called prions. So primary disease is linked to eating brains. Kuru. This disease is directly tied to human cannibalism.

It famously affected the four people of Papua New Guinea due to ritual consumption of a deceased relative's brains. Variant Krutzfeld-Jakab disease. Humans contract this by eating cattle brains or spinal cords infected. with bovine spongiform encephalopathy, commonly known as mad cow disease. And other animal prion diseases, consuming the brains of wild game,

animals can theoretically pose a risk for variants like chronic wasting disease found in deer and elk. So, how prion disease affects the body, protein misfolding, brain damage, and sponge-like textures. So common symptoms, in case this ever happens to our friend Venom, we could be like, hey, we should probably take him in the hospital, rapidly progressing dementia

severe loss of motor coordination involuntary muscle jerks difficulty speaking and swallowing and persistent insomnia so there we go that's exactly like Donald Trump he does strike me as someone that like there was like an episode of like Joe Rogan's bullshit podcast

where he was like ah you got to eat you know spinal cords for cows to have bad cow disease It's how you get strong, and that's how you get better without having to go to therapy, and you do your Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and you go to the gym, and you make more money, and you eat cow disease. And Donald Trump's like, that sounds like a great idea. I'm going to do that. Well, he had all those babies. That's true.

And babies, very famously. In the files. Small brains. Very small ones. Exactly. Tiny spinal cords. Tiny spinal cords. That's why eats a lot of them.

You got to eat a lot. You can't eat like, one's not enough. No, no. It's kind of like Pringles. It's a little bit like Pringles. Eating children's brains is a little bit like Pringles. Once you pop, you just can't stop.

That's the T-shirt. That's a T-shirt. Is that the thumbnail? What about to say? Is the T-shirt going to say, once you pop, you can't stop, and it's just like a picture of a baby with its head split open? No, it's going to say.

It sounds metal as fuck. The T-shirt's going to say eating children's brains is a lot like Prinkles. Oh, there you go. And then the baby with the brain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Crazy taxi. Anyway.

I mean, I get it. Thank you. Anyway, what did you guys think of any of my ideas? There certainly was a lot of them. I will say that I'm very proud of you because you didn't mention AIDS. Like, we have the last couple of times.

So that's the... We don't know that he doesn't have it. Well, the Venom Sambiate holds it back. And besides, it's not the AIDS that kills you. It's the complications that come from the AIDS to kill you. Oh, right. That's true. Thank you for the Clarevians.

Yeah, it's the truth. I don't know. Most people who died of AIDS, they died from pneumonia because it's, it weakens your immune system. Well, education. I'll remember that for next time. Yeah. Oh, um, wait, um, pneumonia from AIDS. pneumonia from AIDS

What do you think? It's how they got Klaus Knoemy. So, yes, there were a lot of ideas. I'm always happy the bees keep coming up. I feel like the bees would not be a huge problem, but it could also see a thing. We've talked about how the venom symbiate loves anger and it loves being able to express it.

And what could be more angry and more deadly than symbiate wasps? Nazi wasps. Nazi symbiate wasps. yeah so that's that's you know that that's a potential new chapter of horror from marvel midnight that's that's the winner out of all my really no i'm just saying like that's the one i feel like we could spin off into a series okay okay just spike in the head's a choice because usually he would form spikes yeah just thought it'd be funny like we've like the venom symbiate got

confused and instead of like projecting the spike outward, it came inward. Yeah. Just wasn't thinking that went through Eddie, sorry. Well, you got dementia from all the brains. Got dementia from all those brains who's eating. Happens. I heard that happens. Yeah. Mm-hmm. There you go.

It doesn't seem like this one as well as the other ones. Well, I mean, you know, like, I also appreciate the fact that you didn't use sonic weapons and you didn't use heat weapons. You went, you... Well, I used the... You were creative.

Yeah. You were very creative. I thought the Triple H one would be a real... Triple H1 was pretty great, actually. Because it's true. It's true. You know? I mean, also, you know, if it didn't,

if, like, losing Triple H didn't bury his career, he also would have gotten a terrible cage match rating. Oh, yeah. Like, fans would just be like, oh, this was awful. I'd give it a four out of ten. He's just a big, bulky dude. Oh, Vince McMahon loves those guys. It's boring.

Yeah. Worris is moot. He doesn't know how to do moons. Moos very well. There's a bunch of people eating people's brains. I've seen it. Boring. You would be like, this is just like another, you know, 15-minute-long headlock.

Rest holds. So the internet would brave as well, you know? Just layers. It's layers. Oh. Don't let it happen in the Tokyo, you know. Well, he, wow. I have the opposite.

effect. He'll get stronger for it. He's not allied in because of all the crimes. All the crimes he committed in Japan. Well, all the crimes is committed here, which has given him a criminal record, which means he's no longer alive in Japan. All right. Well, John, that was Dylan's shotgun approach to killing venom. Let's see the bludgeon and the scalpel at work here. Dylan will clobber you with a million ideas. And then John, like the

skilled surgeon he is, goes in and carefully crafts and cuts apart his enemies with one very long detailed plan. Well, my sort of solution for killing venom has kind of already been mentioned. So at this point, I'm just going to, you know, elaborate on the idea and get to the meat and bones of the plan, just to flesh it out a little bit. So, yeah, basically, I figured we need

some kind of weapon to deliver like the killer blow to venom and kill the symbiate. And so on that front, I figured we needed to acquire Flash Thompson, aka

anti-venom, as his symbiote, is sort of a different physiology to the rest of the symbiates where it can actually burn away and purge other symbiates from their hosts, like upon physical contact. So those things first, we need to get our hands on flash somehow. So I figured, why not go after his mother, Rose Thompson, who I checked is actually still alive in the comics. So we could kidnap her, hold her hostage, draw flash in, and then bam, take him out. But obviously, I can't do this on my own. I'm going to need a crew for the job.

So guess what? I am going to marry someone. And in this case, I am going to use my charms to woo and wed my old pal, Norman Osborne. Now, John, I will say this. I don't feel like you're having to, like, you're making this seem like, oh, I'm having to, you know, like, now I have to marry Norman Osborne. I feel of anything.

There's no other twice. This was the slow burn romance of the various paramours you've had over your career here. Like, this is the one you've been kind of building towards. Like, you know, maybe you changed your way to work every day, so you bumped into him at the coffee shop, you have a little small talk, you know. Don't, don't act like you're like you're like. because I have to kill Venom, I have to marry Norman. It's okay.

You can just, you could just admit that you've been in love. Because you want to marry him as well. Yeah. He's looked lonely for a long time. Like he's been a widower ever since, you know, his wife died when Harry was still a baby. So, you know. You had that brief with Gwen Stacy.

He didn't. We don't talk about that. That didn't happen. That didn't happen. It didn't happen. Yeah, it's fine. Don't worry about it. Yes, but, you know, me and Norman are going to be living a happy married life where we're plotting to kill venom.

He's actually got some history with the anti-venom symbiate as well, having once engineered like this specialized toxin to kind of counter and exhaust the anti-venom symbiates. like cleansing powers back when it was attached to Eddie Brock. So I figure he's already got these, like, toxins that you can use. So why not use them again to subdue Flash long enough to then take him back to Norman's Secret Lab? And there we can conduct experiments on the anti-venom symbiate, basically just like, you know, removing it from Flash and then distilling it down to its most lethal form for symbiates, making it a true poison. I figured maybe we could even, you know, like reach out to someone like Baron Mordeaux

or strike a deal with Mephesto to magically imbue it with hell, fire, or some bullshit, just to kind of... I will caution you about striking a deal with Mephesto because he traditionally is not a fan of people being married. And I feel like... He's a trickster. Yeah, you don't want to lose your marriage to Norman so quickly. after you started it by

making a deal with the Festo. Okay, we'll go to Baron Morda instead then. I'll be fine. I mean, you could choose one of your other husbands to, to, you know, forget the marriage of, then by all means, there's your loophole.

I just also say real quick that I find it very adorable. The image of John and Norman Osborne doing science experiments together in the love that's so romantic. It's just really show it's just how like, you have a couple you guys are.

Norman Osborne comes downstairs, you know, in the morning. He sees John in one of his oversized work shirts making him breakfast. Couples who do stuff together tend to stay together. That's what I'm going to say. It's true. But anyway, so we've kind of magiced this, you know, anti-venom, concocting. up, which we're going to use against him. So now it's just a case of, like, you know, doing the deed.

And for this, I figured we need, like, a team of lackeys. In this instance, we could call them evil eight. There's going to be eight of them. So first up, we're going to hire the blob. We're going to marry that. Who, no, I. we don't need to marry him. Good grief. Not marrying that slob.

He just takes payment. Yeah. All we want him to do is basically eat up all the chocolate in New York City. So Venom doesn't have any of that. Yeah, I am.

He's living the dream right now. You're about to say, you don't have to pay him. We'll do that for free. No, exactly. There we go. Save some money. so that's the blob's job he's going to eat the other chocolate so venom doesn't have that to snack on so it'll make him go a bit crazy then we're going to hire someone with fire powers because obviously we need to kind of utilize the symbiates weaknesses to kind of get us where we want to go so while there's plenty of heroes who could fit that bill like human torch or sunfire sunspot we'll go for someone who's like a bit more evil to fit in with the evil eight so uh i figured we'd go for

pyro who can manipulate flames even though he can't generate it uh so he's only got like a limited a limited supply but that's okay because all we're getting these guys in to do is to help Peral, Venom where we want him to go, rather than, you know, try and kill him with the flames. So I figured, yeah, we'd go for pyro, maybe throw in emo-goblin, typhoid Mary, the hood, who apparently has inferno-kinesis, which, you know, is something to do with Hellfire, I guess. So that'll work. Sure. And then next up, we're going to bring in arcade to this group of degenerates. And we're going to hire him to build one of his patented murder rooms,

specifically one where there's no way for the symbiate to escape. Because obviously it's like, you know, goo, basically. And it can like slither down into sewers or through some kind of, crack in the wall or whatever. So we're going to rely on arcade and his deadly, you know, architectural experience.

Build a room which is completely impregnable and there's no escape from, basically. And then just to wrap things up, we'll get in Ulysses Clore, a guy who's basically made of living sound.

And, you know, that could come in handy for what we're going to do. So since we've already got Flash Thompson captured and in our possession, I figured the old green goblin can threaten to throw him off the George Washington Bridge unless Venom shows up. And, you know, because the symbiote probably has some lingering connection to Flash that will kind of make him want to go there to rescue him.

Once he arrives, then we'll send out Pyro, Demo Goblin, Typhoid Mary and the hood so they can all use their fire abilities just to force venom to where we want to go into this truck that we've laid for him.

Then send him down into arcades specially built murder room. And that's where Clor is waiting so he can use his sonic blast to keep venom subdued and with nowhere else to go, then the Green Goblin's going to swoop in

inject him with his synthesized anti-venom blah blah blah and that's going to cause the symbiote to burn away and then yeah he'll probably just like grow a pumpkin bomb

at Eddie Brock just to kill him for good measure he gives you the pumpkin bomb so that you can do the the final blow that's quite nice yeah we'll go for that yeah so you're still involved

and now you're now you're responsible for a man's death that Norman Osmond isn't, so. Yeah, I mean, he's just resonsborough. Very clever. Sentient goo. So, there ain't no crime with that. Which doesn't find.

There's no crime in that. No. I mean, if he wants, he can kill Flash Thompson's mom, because we've still got her banging around somewhere. Banging a Plash Thompson's mom, apparently. Anyway. That's how you coerce Flash Thompson.

You're like, if you don't stop, if you don't go along with this plan, you will not bang your mom. anymore. No, she needs it. She's been so lonely since dad left. Anyway. That being said, that plan actually seems like it'd be effective against Dylan as well, because you combined three things in one that would be the death of Dylan. You combined symbiates, space, and magic into creating that anti-venom goo serum that I feel like just being in the same vicinity would make Dylan just fall over dead.

Okay, interesting. It's something anti-mease, sir. No, but it combines the three things about comics that you don't like. Symbiates, space, and magic. I don't think I went to space, though. The Zimbians from space, brother? Yeah, but that's a tenuous link, I think.

Yeah. Tenuous? It's where it's fucking from. It's like, oh, yeah, my connection to West Virginia is tenuous. Yeah, it's where I'm from. It's got nothing to do with his story. I think it's plenty to do with the story It's where it's from

I don't think so All right Fair enough I mean you're you're defending John from killing you now So I will let you have that Yeah I think that's the Permino of things I can do right

Yeah right You're still gonna have to contend with the The evil eight Yeah which I'll be honest I don't think I can fight them all I mean I feel like blob You could stand a puncher's chance against

mainly because he's going to be so distracted by eating. I would be upset that he ate up all the... No, you know what? I wouldn't, because American chocolate's horrible, so, like, yeah, he can work away. He's doing a favor. Really? He's just like, oh, they have to import chocolate from other good countries that know how to make chocolate. So here's my one thought on...

If I were tasked with getting rid of the venom symbiate... So the symbiates... The symbiate is gooey, right? it's very sticky, right? Yeah. That's where a lot of its power is coming from is from its, like, stickiness. It's six to people. It's able to stretch and mold itself because it's so fluid and sticky-like.

It can stick to walls. The stickiness is like a major factor. You know what ruins- I think I know where you're going, because, Corey. I think I know where you're going with this. Do you know what ruins sticky? And then help people eat the jelly. No, actually.

It's not what I was going to do, but it's a clever idea. When you were a kid, not in in in the UK do you did you guys have the little like quarter machines outside of stores that have like little eggs with like junk toys in them yeah yeah did you ever get like one of those sticky hands like it was like super stretchy you could like slap it and stick to stuff you know what would happen is like after you had it for a couple of hours it would inevitably get dust on it or like stray like dog your cat hair and then it lost its stickiness and it was just kind of useless because it wouldn't really do anything at that point that's why i think you just you just roll venom around in some dirt just roll him in some dirt he's not going to be like he's just going to be this like weird dirt covered guy like yeah i can like i you know i i got big sharp teeth and all but like you know you're a sensory nightmare to touch at that point why didn't i think of just roll him in dirt yeah it's roll him in dirt or corn starch dirt or corn starch yeah both of them legally eat in america not illegal to eat in america just

that we might, you know, have some adverse effects. Because right now... The big deal right now is there are some restaurants you cannot eat vegetarian in anymore because they have started to cook everything in beef tallow instead of seed oil. So because of that, you can't eat vegetarian anywhere because everything's going to have animal byproduct in it.

Also because of a diary lettuce. Yeah, that would also do a number to you. And, like, I think they, like, recalled 12,000 pounds of bacon recently. You can't even eat that. No, can't eat the bacon. Can't have lettuce. You know? What was wrong with the bacon?

Did it give people my car disease? Probably, even though it's pork. Yeah, but the pigs were eating the spines of the... Pigs will eat anything. That's very true. Yeah. That's very true. That's my second plan.

We should have just fed him to a pig. Yeah, just feed him to a pig. Yeah, feed him to a pig. We should have to be a pig? Is there any pig villains in the, in the Marvel universe? I know there's like a pig monster from Power Rangers or Zoo Rangers. There's like some sort of pig thing. Yeah, there's like, there has to be like a pig guy, you know?

Probably a pig guy. Let me take a look. Marvel Comics, pig character. Spider-ham. Would that count? Could Spider-Ham eat him? All right. Pigs eat out of it. All right, well, here's the list from Comic Vine that's just called

pigs, boars, hogs, razorbacks, etc. Razorback, a pig-themed character for Marvel Comics. I mean, look at the state of this man. Let me turn the... That's way too dark. I always get the contrast wrong. Here you go. Oh, there you go. Was he actually a pig, or is he just a guy in a pig costume.

He just looks like a dude. He's a dude in a pig. He's wearing pumba from the Lion King. Yeah, I'm like that kinds. Well, that's just the first one. There is, well, porky pig.

But he's not Marvel. Triax, an evil Warthog from Marvel Comics. Oh, boy. That is very bright. It's just going to turn into a sequel to our Crock episode, but just about pigs. I don't know.

That's a couple of questions. the Boar Brothers, who fought the Hulk once. Should have eaten them. Sir Porga, one of the new men evolved from a pig in Marvel Comics. Look at the state of this gentleman. Oh, dear. That's a kingpin. He's my new favorite character, Sir Porga. Just the fucking head.

Yeah, if there's no... This bio is just empty. That's the whole bio. It's just like he existed. He appeared in 21 issues of what? none of us know who he is. Thor, Thor, Scarlet Spider. Yeah. Shit.

We had a good time looking at pig creatures so that anybody on Spotify or any of the junk wouldn't have been able to see. Yeah. So do you feel like we did a sufficient job killing Venom by marrying into the Osborne family and using the vast resources to create a murder room where he could be injected with a liquid?

or getting stung with bees or being rolled around in dirt? I feel like John's story made a lot of sense. He might like to bring it around. He brought it around and made sense. It was very comic booky and also we got to marry somebody. He was a romantic. So he picked all the points. Takes all the right boxes.

Yeah, I think he did a very good job with that. And it makes sense that... John would marry Norman Osborne. He might, well, that Norman Osborne might have some sort of Either like already existing tonic to stop venom or has the capabilities to develop such a thing. He's definitely thought about it. I imagine you have to. Like if you exist in the Marvel comic universe in the Spider-Man sphere,

you do have to every now and then go, at some point I might have to interact with venom in a way that I'm not going to like. Right. So Norman Osborne seems the kind of guy that would have that available. Don seems to get the kind of guy that would A, Marry Norman Osborne and B would want to take advantage of the resources Norman Osborne has available to him. It all checks out.

So I have a question for the two of you who have, now you guys have watched the Venom movies, correct? The Tom Hardy Venom movies. He has, in those movies, he has fought other symbiates. How did he defeat those symbiates? I don't remember. I mean, didn't carnage get hit by a car and then eaten? Oh, that's right.

He did eat carnage. He ate carnage. I guess he just reabsorbed him. I think the first movie, didn't he just shoot the other symbiate up into space? Like it was on a rocket or something, and he just stuck it to the rocket, and then it burned up when it went through the atmosphere, maybe. I'm saying, can't do in space. Can't deal with space. Yeah, there you go.

even though in the TV show the anime the show doesn't the group stick to the rocket on the way down I thought it did uh yeah no it's like john jamesis is like taking samples on the

the does it attach itself to the rocket or does it touch itself to john jamas no spider man attaches it to the rocket that goes up uh into back into space after it's already come down and like being venom and stuff. So that's how he gets rid of it the first time.

And then it like comes back eventually through shenanigans. Okay. The Rockets was the right answer, it seems like. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Big rockets. Get a pig on a rocket.

Way ahead of you. There you go. I mean, well, technically Henson was ahead of us all because of pigs in space. so he saw it coming. He was like, preemptively sent those characters into space to eat the symbiates before they could arrive on Earth.

The guy was way ahead of his time, Mom. That's why he's a genius. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, speaking of the Henson Company, John, have you watched a Muppets movie recently? I haven't,

but I do have the Muppets take Manhattan on my watch list, so probably will, very soon. Oh, there you go. Well, what have you watched recently? Well, the most recent movie I watched was a movie by the name of Primate, which came out last year.

And it's all about this domesticated chimpanzee that is bitten by a rabid mongoose and then turns homicidal. Which it doesn't sound like a real movie plot. but oh man they managed to turn it into a genuine thrill ride of a movie with lots of gore and silliness

there was a there was a period of time where there was a lot of movies about that in like the 70s and 80s about like experimenting on animals and then the animal gets out and and bites somebody and I remember I think it was like a I think it was called primate or something like that but it was from the 80s, and I think it was a baboon that bit people and they turned into rage monsters. So glad to see. In this one, they didn't

the monkey didn't actually, you know, turn anyone else into anything. They just brutally murdered them. Monkeys are, chimpanzees are terrifying. So what did you get private? Yeah, what did you get private on letterbox, John? I gave it three and half stars out of five.

Pretty decent. It's pretty good. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I'd recommend it for, like, some good mindless fun. Okay. There you go. Anyway, so, John, where can they read your further thoughts on primate and other monkey-related movies that you may have seen?

They can head to Letterbox and find me at Big John Bowsky, or one word. Dylan, what have you gotten up to lately? and is it related to monkeys or crocodiles or venom in any way? Very little. I will say this. Very little of my activities have anything to do monkeys these days. And, you know, is that a bad thing? Is that a good thing?

She used to say. Jury's out. You know, obviously, obviously the opinions of this podcast might differ. I'll say that I should get into more monkey activities so I could share them on the podcast. But that's for another day. I'm trying to think if I play any, like,

monkey-related music on the show yesterday. I don't think I did. But I ever radio... No, I didn't. Monkey gone to heaven? I didn't. I didn't play that. It's on the list at some point. A good song.

Yeah, I do a radio show on Monday nights Bints at digital radio.com. You can listen to your web browser. 9 o'clock to 11 o'clock UK time. We play a lot of music. I've been at they'll be playing

Pixies very soon because of their monkey related songs Yeah I should do a show which is all just like monkeys I'm not gonna get too far

And not say anything Just let people Like work it out for themselves Figure it out Yeah yeah yeah Um I stream sometimes At Spooky LaRue

And I draw pictures And I animate those And put them on Twitch No I put them on TikTok at Team Crow Studios and YouTube at Team Crows and I and that's it I think

there you go links to those all in the description of this video and the audio on the podcast platform of your choice I have new number ones which is the show where I read a new number one that is from a third party publisher and give my opinions and thoughts on it

this last week I did The Dirt Beneath the Devil which was a Western that has a bit of a hint of supernostic happening as well. And I also have my other show large old cup, which is a good time for me, except when it's not. And I also have a third show coming out soon. I got the first batch of research back. So I sent some notes back to the person who's helped me out with it to basically clean it up a little bit and narrow it down some. And I'll get more information on that as it comes out. But by the time this episode does come out, it might already be out. So that makes no sense.

who knows oh secret but yes who knows who knows queens of the stone age know that no one knows anyway

that being said we're going to go ahead and get out of here we'll see you guys later bye bye that was the voice of a monkey

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