The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 12: The Smark Avengers Watch Generation-X

Episode Date: May 17, 2024

What started in an earlier episode as an unlocked memory for Corey and Jon has culminated in this moment! What does a product placement for Virtual Fighter, Max Headroom doing a Jim Carey impersonatio...n, a terrible Irish accent, and a bunch of unlikeable creeps have in common? Fox's 1996 television pilot for the Marvel Comics X-Universe tie-in series Generation-X! Emma Frost and Banshee have assembled a team of young teenagers played by young adults to train and develop their powers while a mutant hating inventor obsessed with dream experimentation and loud suits tries to accomplish a not-so-clear plot. Please join Corey, Dylan, and Jon as they watch Generation-X!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 We'll do it holding hands. Okay. I have my hand out the window, stretching as far as hard as I can to try to reach America. Can you, Corey, can you feel my hands? We are the world. We are the children. Corey, can you feel me touching you? The left.
Starting point is 00:00:18 The little to the left. Is this, can you feel this? Oh, it tickles. Okay. Oh, dear. It's a good story. That's a good start. Are we recording currently?
Starting point is 00:00:34 Oh, absolutely. Oh, dear God. All right. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Smark Avengers. I don't have a clever line because, I mean, how are we going to top that? Right?
Starting point is 00:00:48 I mean, he was, you're busy, you know. I was distracted. Yeah, it's understandable. See him punk and Jack Perry fighting outside. Yep. I didn't have time to pray. got it. I don't think people are going to get that one, are they?
Starting point is 00:01:06 I mean, that they probably won't. But I just still love that he said that like stone cold serious in an interview. Like, well, yeah, they didn't have time to pray. What the fuck? What the fuck? Anyway, as we continue to talk stuff that nobody knows about, unless, you know, you're really in the weeds as we are sometimes. Welcome to the Smart Avengers.
Starting point is 00:01:29 I'm Corey and with me are John and Dylan. We were reaching hands across America and, you know, what was that old expression, reach out and touch somebody? You say so. Something like that. I tried that and then I got arrested for it. It's not fair. No, they frown on that. Not fair.
Starting point is 00:01:47 So, folks, a couple of weeks ago, we did an episode talking about all of the X-Men movies that have come out from the year 2000 to the year 2024, including the upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine movie. However, we've alluded to this already in the past, maybe like a month or so ago, we've been kind of hyping this up.
Starting point is 00:02:11 That was not the first time there has been a live action X-Men property. John and I unlocked this memory. Dylan did not know it existed, but in 1996, Fox, who still has, who has had the rights to X-Men that entire time, decided to make a live-action pilot for potentially a TV show for the comic series Generation X. So Generation X, for those who are not familiar with the title,
Starting point is 00:02:45 was basically the Young X-Men Book of the 90s. So, you know, previously you had the X-Men that when they started out, like it was implied that like Cyclops and Gene Gray and everyone were like teenagers essentially. And then as they got older, a new batch of teenagers came in in the 80s called the New Mutants. And then they grew up. And then in the 90s, a whole new batch of teenage characters were created for the X-Men universe. So the 90s were known for their excess and for the interesting art, which we got with some amazing Chris Bocchelow art for the Generation X series. But yeah, I know.
Starting point is 00:03:26 The premise of the series where these are the young mutants that are still learning how to control their powers and how to navigate the complex and difficult world of modern times where you are hated and feared for the way you're born. Do you guys have any thoughts on the Generation X comic before we really dive into some of the details about this show? Yes, but before I get to that, I want to ask a real quick question. When did this come out? When did this pilot originate? February 20th and 1996. 1996.
Starting point is 00:04:00 In TV, I don't know if this is what they did, but I know they did this with other pilot Marvel films that they made in the 90s is that whenever you have the rights to something, a lot of the times, if the rights are about to run out, what people will do is make a really quick pilot episode of something as a way to a prove that they are making something with the license that they have to kind of extend it, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:29 and be like test to waters to see if there's interest in it. So if the rights are going to run out, a lot of the time people will just make a really quick film like this to extend the rights. So, Dylan, I'm glad you said that because, for those, I don't think you actually ever said it, we're doing another watch-along episode today, kind of like we did with Japanese Spirets.
Starting point is 00:04:50 man so Generation X is up on YouTube this is a channel we'll give him a quick plug retro channel they have the full one hour and 28 minute and two second pilot up in its entirety I did find another video that was like closer to two hours that included all the commercials and I was really super tempted to watch that one but yeah that would have been we've had to be two hour episodes in a row so Dylan the reason I'm glad that you said that is retro channel was very kind enough to put some facts about this movie in the description of the video. So, real quick, I'll just kind of read through those.
Starting point is 00:05:31 It's divided into a number of sections. These will go relatively quick. So the movie information, Generation X is a television pilot directed by Jack Shoulder that aired on Fox on February 20th, 1996. He was later broadcast as a television film. It is based on the Marvel Comics comic book series of the same. name, a spinoff of the X-Men franchise. It was produced by New World Entertainment and Marvel Entertainment Group. And then there's a breakdown of the plot, which I'm not going to, I don't want to
Starting point is 00:05:59 read, do you guys want me to read the plot? No, no, don't spoil that. Okay. All right. So, production information. So the development. Some changes were made to the characters in the development of the film. Jubilition slash Jubilee, Lee, for example, was not portrayed as a character of Asian descent,
Starting point is 00:06:16 despite the X-Men comics and broadcast series having portrayed her as Chinese American. Two new characters, Buff and Refrax, were created to replace characters from the comics. Producer Eric Blakeney had wanted to include Chamber, but his powers would have been too expensive to produce on the film's budget. Refrax
Starting point is 00:06:34 was created to replace Chamber, who had his chest in the lower half of his face destroyed when his power has emerged. I think we've mentioned Chamber before, but essentially if you've never seen Chamber before, he is this sort of like living furnace with this like kind of plasma fire kind of thing going on.
Starting point is 00:06:51 And yeah, he does not have a lower half of his face and his entire chest looks like an open fireball. He's cool as heck. Yeah, he's fucking badass. Buff was created to replace Husk, who Husk would shed her skin to reveal another sort of skin layer that had like powers associated with it.
Starting point is 00:07:10 So she might tear off her skin and she'd have like metal skin underneath it, like Colossus or something like that. So, uh, yeah, I can imagine, like, having a TV show budget and having someone rip their fucking skin off being a little difficult. Yeah. All right.
Starting point is 00:07:26 These are the locations that were filmed. The mansion used for the Xavier Institute is Hatley Castle, which was also used as Xavier's school in the films X2, X-Men United, X-Men, the last stand, X-Men Days of Future Past, Deadpool, Two. It was also served as the Luther family mansion on the television series Smallville and the Queen Family Mansion in the early seasons of the television series Arrow. Filming also took place in a shutdown mental institution and a big abandoned factory. So essentially, if you need to have a superhero mansion, go to Hatley Castle. That's pretty cool that like they've kind of, I don't know if they did it on purpose or whatever, but they've capped that castle like through all. A lot of continuity there. Yeah, a lot of continuity.
Starting point is 00:08:13 Yeah. And the last section here is the release. Generation X was broadcast on Fox as part of the Fox Tuesday night at the movies on February 20th of 1996. Just before the release, the TV special was testing the waters for a series of TV movies instead of a TV series. Plans to develop a syndicated series that would air on the same night as popular sci-fi thriller The X-Files were abandoned. So I guess that was the original intent, Dylan, was as to have a show that would accompany the X-Files. To go back to your earlier question though I think that Generous Nacks are
Starting point is 00:08:48 I thought it was a really cool team full of like really interesting characters like that I think is the most important thing for a comic is to have the characters be really distinct and really interesting you know they need that that's really important and I think that you know it's while we understand
Starting point is 00:09:08 why Chamber isn't in the show Chamber was one of my favorite characters from Generation X just because of how interesting a character he is. I feel like there's so much they could do with that guy. Instead, they were like, we'll just make him apocalypse and then forget about it. You know, like that's not, that's not good writing, you know. Well, and I say that with a Marvel Legends chamber figure behind me, actually. Oh, they made a chamber figure. Yeah, they made a chamber figure not too long ago.
Starting point is 00:09:37 And actually there was in the 90s there was a Generation X action figure line that came out around the same time as the X-Men cartoon. Now, I don't know if they made the action figure line just independent of itself because like all X-Men stuff was selling or if they like had this idea that this television show was going to come out. So they were like, well, we'll go ahead and release some figures of the characters. I just Google the little figure. He looks pretty cool. He looks a little bit like he's going to be it, though. The Marvel legend's figure? Oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Yeah. It's a little bit like it's going to appear. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of hard to make living fire into a plastic form. Yeah, well, you know. John, what's your experience generation next like? I have zero experience with them. Like, I'm pretty sure I watched this movie way back in the day.
Starting point is 00:10:29 I have zero recollection of it. And, yeah, all I know is basically it's, Emma Frost basically doing her own school for gifted mutants. Did you read the comic? No. Oh, wow. So, yeah,
Starting point is 00:10:50 it was, to kind of feel like it, from what I remember, because I also saw this back in 96 when I was nine, um, what I remember is it was fairly accurate to the basic plotline generation X in that it's Banshee who was one of the, all new X-Men and Emma Frost who at that point had been like a recurring villain for the
Starting point is 00:11:12 X-Men. It was sort of the beginning of her like turning face essentially starting up like their their school and for Xavier to help guide these young characters. So it was like just as much about like an Emma Frost redemption as it was about these other characters because before then in the new Mutants comic she had her own school of characters of like teenage characters called the Hellions and then they all got fucking wiped out by was it the marauders that wiped out the hellions
Starting point is 00:11:41 I think so that's nice yeah they all died I remember that because that was like a very big part of her of her redemption arc was like you know it was all fun in games with these like her own little evil school of children
Starting point is 00:11:57 and then they all died oh wow yeah so so John another question I'm going to ask you is how many movies have you watched so far. I am now up to 283. So this is going to be 284. Yep. So we're contributing to this. So we're going to follow the Japanese Spider-Man rules. We all have the video pulled up on YouTube. Again, it's on retro channel, but I just searched Generation X pilot brought me right to the very first
Starting point is 00:12:31 result. So it looks like it's in good, it looks like it's in good condition. Like it looks super clear. going to have the close captions on so we can kind of still talk amongst yourselves as we're watching but we're just going to have a countdown we're going to hit play and then we're just going to let it happen that means if you guys want to watch along as well and listen to our commentary over the top just hit play on your YouTube whenever we hit 321 go and you can play along too yep record your own commentary and then totally post it and we'll absolutely listen to it Yep, which is funny because very famously that's riff tracks that has been doing that and we're about to watch a show with refrax. No.
Starting point is 00:13:12 We are the first person to ever cover this. We're the first two who've ever done to watch a long. Yeah. Because we did it with Spider-Man. That was ages ago. Yeah. Right? That was over a year ago.
Starting point is 00:13:23 Yeah. So we got to be the first supposed to do it. Yeah, yeah. Which I do really want to go back to watching some more Japanese Spider-Man just because of, it was like super quick and it was so fucking weird. It was crazy. If you're listening to this, you haven't seen the Japanese Spider-Man episode,
Starting point is 00:13:38 go back and listen to that. It's really... Yeah, yeah. Everything you thought you knew about Spider-Man is completely wrong. Yeah. Like, how he got his powers.
Starting point is 00:13:47 What his fucking name is? Yeah. There's a lot going on in that show. There's a ton going on. All right, guys. The really do a countdown, three to one, and after one,
Starting point is 00:13:58 we'll hit play. All right? Do we hit, do we hit, do we play on one or on go? we're going to go we're going to go three two one go and we'll hit it on go okay john you want to count us down uh okay uh three two one go see that's why i wanted john to do it he has that professional presenter voice yeah it sounded
Starting point is 00:14:23 really good you know this is this is a new world entertainment production new world entertainment John, you do it. New World Entertainment. See? I can just imagine, you know, Scott Hall and Kevin Nash coming out. Uh-huh. This is going to start out like a really bad term paper.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Webster's Dictionary defines mutation as... The act of being altered or changed. Oh, the illegal genetic condition first apparent in period. I didn't know, but that one did that happen. Is this a fetus? Oh my God. That's what all life mutates look like. Oh, we did this earlier with the reaching out.
Starting point is 00:15:13 John got it, thank you. I wasn't wearing a glove, though. See, that's what I thought I heard, but it was actually your Xbox. It might have been my Xbox. We're not explaining that on the show. Yo. So what is actually going on here? What are they doing to this guy?
Starting point is 00:15:38 I assume that this is a mutant. Yeah, yeah, look at his little claw hands. He's got to... Yeah. So they're like, we gotta fuck this guy up. Oh, that's up boy. Yeah. Max Headroom himself.
Starting point is 00:15:57 Fun fact, he was also Mollick in Watchman. Indeed. Guys, you don't like that... Who are these cool guys? You gotta stop touching the mutants. So why was that kid just lying on the... the gurney waiting to have his head saw one open.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Are they not going to untie the kid? It's like, no, we're going to arrest this guy. I think that's supposed to be Emma Frost, by the way. Oh, that would explain a lot. Uh-oh. She's making a face? But you know that if you have telepathic power, so you would do it is to make a face and make your arms raise up.
Starting point is 00:16:53 If you have telepathic power, you can make lightning happen. Yeah, it blows air into your face. Have it they got it? mixed up with storm. Did you notice that like her, like most of her hair like kind of weaves around, but her fringe stays perfect.
Starting point is 00:17:09 Doesn't move. Like I's piss off. Closing on, Matt, up her face. The circle feet out. You know, the Generation X logo even looks like the X-Files logo.
Starting point is 00:17:25 Did I say five years earlier? Five years later. Five years later. Okay. Which, which, who are these guys? Uh, the one with the curly hair
Starting point is 00:17:40 is supposed to be skin. Okay. He's heading to the Xavier School. What about the other guy? That's a great name. What was it? Bumper Robinson. Bumper Robinson. He was in Petrauma.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Really? Yeah, I think he did Hermes Kid, the voice of Hermes Kid. Oh, no kidding. I think so. Bumper Robinson. I know, I'm pretty sure he's in Petramma. I've definitely heard that name before You don't forget a name like that, right? No, you really don't.
Starting point is 00:18:18 So here's Xavier, you're abducting these children. It's totally illegal at their meetings. Here we go. Here we go. I remember this scene very clearly. There he is. Shit! My fucking arm!
Starting point is 00:18:39 Wow, what is the dick his sister is? Yeah, I love how she's smiling. Like, she's like, I know exactly what I did. It looked like it was painful. Oh, Scott Lobdell, that's a writer I was thinking of. A controversial figure he is. What did he do? Oh, people just didn't really care for some of the decisions he made writing Red Hood and the Outlaws during the new 52.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Oh, do we do talking with that? I don't think we did. Well, not yet. Or the dream device. That's a great fucking suit. He does, Ferber does sometimes come across as kind of a poor man's Jim Carrey. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:35 well. Yeah, there's a lot of, like, the same kind of comedy beats and stuff like that, you know? Yeah, he's really chewing up the scenery. He definitely does voice acting, too. You can tell, like, his voice is kind of going up and down a lot. This is a tie to a virtual fighter, just so you guys know.
Starting point is 00:20:04 Oh, I was just as much to say. I cannot believe they're a Shill and Spirth Fighter. My goodness. This, definitely wasn't it? Yep. Oh, I forgot. He was a little of a episode of Star Trek. Yeah, he did voices for dark oils and Aladdin
Starting point is 00:20:34 and pink panther and shit oh he was the leader that's two he was from an iron band of the there it is there's a time there it is virtue fire I think that's supposed to be Jubilee
Starting point is 00:20:50 I mean I just remember the 90s where we all had like black light lipstick I still have it oh I remember we could smoke in archaeos I feel like he shouldn't be hanging around these teenagers listen man what's the problem with a weird old creepy dude
Starting point is 00:21:06 hanging out with a bunch of young potentially dangerous children I don't see any who I guess they can't see him is he allowed to do that? Is he inside the cabinet? Yes
Starting point is 00:21:25 everyone knows the actual the final Vasa virtual fighter is supposed to be Matt Ferre he was um holy shit well that's her there's Jubilee's fireworks powers. Do you see Stalin in the front of an X-Man cabinet?
Starting point is 00:21:41 Yes, he is. That's clever. So, and this universe, the X-Men is also a video game? Yes. Hmm. I'm going to have to ask you to leave. What a dick. What a dick move.
Starting point is 00:22:06 Yeah, that seems weird to go up to, instead of like, she has not to the girl, he just goes up to somebody else, he goes, hey, I want to talk to that girl. And he's like, all right, go get her, right? Go find her. be talking to me for yep that's what a 15 year old girl looks like Emma Frost
Starting point is 00:22:25 oh my god and her lovely Nikon it's silk that we you know it's expensive guys when we're writing this script is there's a cerebral is there any way we could write this to like show Emma Frost like a lot of boobage
Starting point is 00:22:43 can we do that you know we write a scene where she's a bat or something you know I'm not thinking about. That's a big prison. I like I just said she thinks she's a mutant. Yeah, right. Parents just don't understand.
Starting point is 00:23:12 What do you want me to do? Your dad's busy, killing other mutants. Now, let's judge this accent. Can we do a thing where we have like Bansky's tits sitting out? Yep. It's not great. Apparently is the same guy you voiced. Banshee in the animated series as well.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Does that sound like him? Yeah, it was a pretty bad accent in that too. I don't remember. I haven't seen the anime show in a long time, but I kind of like creaned over, leaned into my laptop to hear that Irish accent, and not so good. Not great. Recognize that guy from something. He looks kind of like Michael McKeon. Is that where you're getting it?
Starting point is 00:24:39 Maybe. Yeah, he does. You don't know, so this is the 90s because everything is, like, lit and very cool colors. Like, did this police station not pay the power bill? Yeah, they put all their power bills into the green lighting outside of. See, he said we. So that's how you know he's Irish. Oh, that's how I say we.
Starting point is 00:25:15 Yeah. Dylan, you're always saying we. I do say I am. I do say a lot. I don't know if I said it in the show. but I do say it a lot. She's actually very modestly dressed for her to make a stripper comment, but I guess I can see, like,
Starting point is 00:25:32 if some woman comes up to you wearing chrome white, like pants. It is a weird outfit for stripper to be wearing. It seems hard to strip that off, you know what you mean? Am I thinking about that too much? Now, I know this is like a pilot, so they got to get to the point very quick, but like they are giving her the hard sell, like seconds later they found that they're sitting her daughter
Starting point is 00:26:03 to a concentration camp. but also she's right she's like why would I give my daughter to do weird freakos yeah you just showed up yeah hey your daughter's in prison I can help you with that oh that's all right
Starting point is 00:26:16 take her you know oh my goodness perfect holy shit booty and bluefish I actually like that I wish it looked a bit better
Starting point is 00:26:40 but that whole bit where she's pretending that they're in the different outfits I think that'll look pretty good. It's a good idea. It didn't look good, but it's a good idea. He is laying that accent on real fucking thick.
Starting point is 00:26:58 This is real bad. Dylan, are you offended as an Irishman? Not offended because I've heard plenty of American people do bad Irish accents. But it's one of those things we're like, you know, and it's okay for us because we're just, we're not actors, right? But if you hear other people do it, if you say, say, oh, do an American accent or do a British accent, then you're like, what part of America are you doing an accent of, right? Do you mean? Like, what? Because there's so many different accents, and it's the same in the UK, there's so many different accents. Like, what, whatever you say
Starting point is 00:27:35 you're doing an English accent? What does that mean? Are you doing a London accent, like a Liverpool accent? Like, Newcast accent? What are you doing? And it's the same over here. There's so many different accents. So when you hear something like that, you're like, what part of Ireland does Do you think he's... Where exactly is he? You know what you mean? Because, like, you know, wrestling-wise, let's say, Seamus signs very different from Finley.
Starting point is 00:27:59 You know what you mean? Neither of those men signed like this. Right? Sheimus sure as fuck does not sound like this man. No. He said it's real thick. Because Seamus is from Dublin. Finn Ballers from Wicklow also does not sound like this man.
Starting point is 00:28:22 So hang on a sec. They asked the mum for permission to take Jubilee to their school. The mum said no. So they were like, well, fuck it. Let's just abduct her from prison anyway. And here we are. Here we are. Because that shows you what kind of characters,
Starting point is 00:28:42 Banshee and Emma Frost are. They're like a little bit of Renegiate, but they're still trying to do the right thing. you know what you mean? So some people can just voluntarily go like skin and other people can't like Jubilee. Yeah, some people have to be arrested. Some people have to get abducted. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Skin just signed up. But funny enough, they both travel in the sim bus. Oh, my God. He's worn a big blue suit, a big red suit and a big yellow suit. What is his wardrobe? I do, you know what? He may be like a, a. budget of Jim Carrey but it's the same thing with Jim Carrey you can't take your eyes off him no I love
Starting point is 00:29:28 Matt Fruer I guess he's one of my favorite character actors it's fun to watch and it's a good refreshing kind of character to have in this you know like everybody else is trying to be so like super serious like this is a very important thing we're dealing with we're talking about child abduction here and he's just like I'm going to go into dreams why not abduct more children I'm not sure what his plan is. He's like, I can go into people's dreams. And then what? I think it's about manipulating people through their dreams.
Starting point is 00:30:04 So try to make people, like, does that work for, like, you guys, you, you, you've had dreams, right? Have you ever woke up and go, well, no, I have to act out the thing that happened to my dream? Oh, all the time. Well, yeah, but I think it's a little more complicated than that. Oh, like what? like you know I go back to school and start doing my exams all over again what's up with this guy his tie as well
Starting point is 00:30:35 I'm just like so distracted by fruer I'm like this is a business man what's that tie wait which guy that guy the boss character yeah I like his shirt he's got some style you got to you got to admire that guy you know it's bold for him to be doing like a budget of Jim Carrey wearing a big yellow suit in the 90s. People are just thinking the mask.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Especially with that green lighting hitting him in the face. Holy shit. Again, coincidence? Probably not. Probably not. You know, people like the mask. Like Jim Carrey. They probably like mutants.
Starting point is 00:31:11 They love child abduction. Put it in the film. They're going to love Amafrost tits. Put them in. You know what you mean? Although we didn't really see. You saw more bouncyy's tits, I guess. So like, you know,
Starting point is 00:31:23 tits of anti-persuasion. Put them in. You know? Get them in. We want to see them. People in the 90s, they just love tits. And you know what? I don't blame them.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Sorry, I spot on your shoulder, dude. Yeah, sorry, I drool over you. But I got a ducted, so, you know. Hey, everyone, I'm Irish. Kish you forgot. I'm Irish. I'm a fucking Irish. Oh.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Oh, this is. fun. I had a feeling it would be when I was like, oh, that's right. Banshees in this. I bet Dylan's going to have fucking fun with this. Oh, we still got another R of this guy's wonderful accent. Yep. Yep, there's a Mephrash.
Starting point is 00:32:14 He's wearing a corset. We're good to go. Finally. Are you okay with this abducting? All right, step over this machine and look directly into it. And then don't question what it is whatsoever. Why would Frankenstein live in America? he's also a mutant
Starting point is 00:32:41 wait frangestine or frangus is monster both he had the power of supreme intellect yeah dr rickson had the power to bring people back from the dead and frankinstein's power was to be back from the dead oh she has to
Starting point is 00:33:01 oh we're doing naked stuff here here we go she's 15 she's 15 yep we need to get the full body scan go ahead and take your clues off in front of us It ain't no big deal. Like that guy's face, whenever he's like, you gotta get naked. He's like, I'm gonna see some like 15-year-old tits. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Yes, we are. Hello. She's 15 again. This was a TV movie? This was a TV movie. This was a pilot. Hot damn. What did she just do?
Starting point is 00:33:32 She put like... She just tapped a little silver thing against her. Don't look you pervert. You're in your tits I too. Oh, here's our other. mutants. Who the fuck are these people? Or are these the new
Starting point is 00:33:59 Chamber and... Yeah, that's the new Chamber. That guy? Oh, my mean, Paris. I'm gonna fucking kill you. Like Cyclops. Now, Chamber was not a dickhead. He was a depressed guy. I do like how he just...
Starting point is 00:35:02 He made a joke about St. Therapyos. A moment ago... He's got Wolverine on your shirt, guys. Wolverine's on his shirt. Oh, your skin stretches? Well, let's see how well you play football. Corey, is this an accurate representation of American football? Yep.
Starting point is 00:35:34 It's about right. Why didn't he stretch his arms up? I mean, he's doing it right now. Apparently, it hurts like hell. Oh, he is, I guess. That is a beautiful shot. I really like that. You know, I'm going to give this film a couple of slagons for its low budget,
Starting point is 00:35:57 but that camera shot with him with a big arm was beautiful. that was less beautiful I don't like it I also really did like Banshee in the comic book series as well do you like this Banshee as much I have to tell you he's got to grow it on me in a weird way
Starting point is 00:36:21 I'm like looking at all these characters I think I'm like man the villain and Banshee are the most likable ones so far I gotta say right now if you're watching this if anybody else is watching this long with us and by now Banshee is one of your favorite characters something's gone wrong with the
Starting point is 00:36:37 show. Like how bad are the other guys? We're also just seeing this girl in her underwear, which again, I think she's supposed to be like 15, 16 years old. Is that M? Who's it supposed to be? I think she's supposed to be M, yes. Okay. I mean, she kind of has the
Starting point is 00:37:10 personality. It seems like they're trying to make her seem like a smart character. Are I bragging to you? You want to see my tits? Everybody else is showing them? Is it, is it you? Are you the last person I should mess with? It's the guy
Starting point is 00:37:36 will laser eyes Looks a bit like Lane Staley I was gonna say He looks kind of like I was thinking he looks like Spike from Buffy No he looks like
Starting point is 00:37:47 Like Billy Idol Whenever they did The Unplugged Lee and Steeley was wearing sunglasses like halfway through it That's what he looks like I know what you're talking about
Starting point is 00:37:57 Yeah Yeah racism so far in this as well. That guy's being a total dick to skin. I mean, we've had pretty much everything. We've had a lot of the buttons so far, right? We have an underage nudity,
Starting point is 00:38:15 child abduction and subtle racism. Regular nudity. Jim Carrey. Casual racism. Wolverine. This is the 90s. Lean Steely. We've hit everything.
Starting point is 00:38:30 There's been two X-Men references within the same thing. Virtra Fighter. Yeah, that's the X-Men. Holy shit. There weren't so many ducks, I said it, though. Are you shitting me?
Starting point is 00:38:44 There's only one bathroom. I was not to say. Let's all just hang outside the bathroom where the lady is. She won't mind. I don't have been an 80-R line. Is that, I thought his par, I thought the, the C&D close bit was a joke.
Starting point is 00:39:10 I thought his part was looking, like, oh, there's the tits. Why does his powers hurt the shit out of him? Yeah. Well, wouldn't it hurt if your tits were stretching? It kind of reminds me a little bit of that episode of Venture Brothers where they meet like their version of the Fantastic Four and the one guy can light himself on fire like he even torch, but it hurts.
Starting point is 00:39:43 I haven't seen that. Mutant levels, mutant readings of level three? what are the different levels also is she teaching a class on psychic power that's a jerking off reference I'd let the list jerking off reference for an underage boy from an adult lady from this teacher which I feel like it's a crime
Starting point is 00:40:24 that's a crime who has not changed her clothes in like three days they got the one outfit it's the same outfit it's one of those like it's one of those secret image things. You've got to cross your eyes and then uncross them and see the thing. Yeah. It's a sailboat. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:51 Is this really how you determine who a mutant is? I think they're trying to figure out who has psychic powers. Okay. Right. Because I was like, why would Everfrost to teach a class on being a psychic to people that might not be psychics? but also those other guys I've already been here for Eages so like she would already know
Starting point is 00:41:13 if they're psychic or not right? Yeah why are they here just hanging out yep they just really like I'm a frost for some reason I don't know why
Starting point is 00:41:22 that has to be a wig by the way it does look weird doesn't it is just something to buy it now you've said that I can't stop looking at it mutant metaphysics
Starting point is 00:41:44 who wrote that book beast? Who said this place feels like a jail because somebody was already going to jail and neither here. So what's the difference? Hold on. We just were talking about AIDS. Yeah. But on this.
Starting point is 00:42:12 Now he can control his eyebeams. So the sunglasses are unnecessary. He's just a dick. Right. It's not like Cyclops where like if he just take him off, it's uncontrollable. Yeah, exactly. He very clearly focused it on the TV.
Starting point is 00:42:28 Everyone seems cool with him blowing up the TV as well. Again, in the 90s. Are they drinking wine? Hey. Oh, it's different. It's legal over there for you guys. I don't think you can drink wine at 15. Not as far as I'm aware.
Starting point is 00:42:46 I'm going to have to look into that. I don't believe that. That was different in Europe. I think it's different in France. It's 21 here. Can I just say, though, for the record, I don't know, but John, I was absolutely drinking alcohol of blood finting.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was not. Well, that's because you're a good boy. I was straight edge. We and John are degenerates, you know. You were a St. Punk. We are Sean Michaels in Triple Age.
Starting point is 00:43:16 Yeah. John, you can choose. He's not doing a great job of alerting people of there being problems? It's his first day. I mean, it's a lot of responsibility. Yeah. He's like,
Starting point is 00:43:30 what button do I press to alert people? I just, do I write it down? What do I do? Is he just Kurt Pistorius? Um, why can't he stretch his head? Here,
Starting point is 00:43:46 let's psychological torture. Let's, looks like you fucked it up, kid. Let's give him PTSD for the rest of his life. Your flanks were attacked. That's the problem. It's,
Starting point is 00:44:10 he goes from, like the north to the south like really quickly. It's really funny. But if you've ever been here, there was a big difference between the north and the south accent. And he's, for the most part, he seems like a very big southern accent.
Starting point is 00:44:28 That is a very sad library by the looks of it. It looks like it's just like two bookshel. All right, there's some more bookshelves. I was about to say like, good lord. But yeah, bookshelves that are like, three bookshelves, this is what you get. At a small table.
Starting point is 00:44:50 So it sounds like that book that Emma Frost recommended earlier was one that she wrote. That's in character. Oh, because I wonder, like, who exactly is the special person who's writing books about mutants?
Starting point is 00:45:05 It makes sense that Emma Frost would recommend her own book. To give credit to these guys, that totally makes sense. That's actually, like, really well in character for her to be like, you gotta read this book. It's also true to the college experience. And also very true to Emma Fraz. It's also really thick.
Starting point is 00:45:26 I don't think she wrote that whole thing. It's like a phone book. Yeah. There's no fucking way she wrote that. No offense. For those younger listeners, a phone book was a thing that has the names and phone numbers of people. They do that anymore. Years ago, we used to have to wonder who we wanted to call and then...
Starting point is 00:45:46 Look it up in a big book and then dial that number into a rotary phone, which was like a circle thing. And you did one number at a time. And then you lifted the phone up the hook and put it to your face. It was a whole thing. This seems like very like, was it Shadow King that had like a whole dream thing? Yeah. Is it a little, it's vaguely Shadow King. I'm loving this guy's office.
Starting point is 00:46:19 again though to your point who is lighting this stuff it's a 90s man why would you make an office like this and go hey man whenever you're putting the lights in just make them fucking weird yeah I want a green one I run a red one I want a blue one
Starting point is 00:46:37 one a purple one corner so in the middle of the room it looks like a fucking skittal disaster but do me a favor like make them this random dependent on the time of day make sure my screensaver is a rotating brain that's really important I need that.
Starting point is 00:46:53 I'll put an apple in the middle of the room so I can play with it. I wanted him to hit him with the apple. I think that would just be out of fucking nowhere, just like beam him right in the middle of the forehead with it. Yeah. Oh, he called Emma Frost a slut. I don't know what happened in your caption,
Starting point is 00:47:21 but from my caption, it did not write the word slot. It did not either. Okay. That's a bad word. All right. It's good to see that now, away from the 90s, times have changed so
Starting point is 00:47:38 you know I've been watching this so far it's been fun I'm not totally sure what's going on is that a mirror what the fuck is he doing the light of lipstick
Starting point is 00:47:50 what are you waiting for take a wee little drive maybe drive are we drive heart chartre turture he shrinks down to a lap cross
Starting point is 00:48:08 in the river dance. Like, uh-huh, yeah, yeah. That's a murgah for you. It'd be really cool if we could drive ourselves. Well, it'd be really cool, but you're not legally allowed to drive, you fucking dick, and he punches him in the face, you know? Yeah, my face.
Starting point is 00:48:26 This is... The car keys has an X keychain on it, by the way. I just noticed that. That's a nice touch, too. That's the car? That's a bitch. They could fit three people in the front seat. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Guys, we spent all the money on the big mansion, so. What is that hat? That's not a hat. That's part of my head. Please have some respect. Look at this fashion. Purple or blue? No, both at the same time.
Starting point is 00:49:15 Oh, my goodness. That's what she's doing. You're crazy. Now, mind you, she's self-conscious about her body because apparently her muscles are constantly, like, fluctuating. So are we going to see another underage girl naked? Here we go. Oh. Jesus Christ, Nicole Bass.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Don't look at my teeth? Look on what? It's a curtain. That's, that's really good. When has there ever been a door and it changed a room? Oh, this is my favorite magazine. She's a babe. She's a babe, dude.
Starting point is 00:50:16 Oh, he groped her. Isn't that great? Oh, geez. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You touched a girl and she didn't give you permission to. Yeah, but we also, we should also remind you that once again, she's totally underage. We got her.
Starting point is 00:50:28 Oh, yeah, buddy. Oh, yeah, what are you going to do with that? I call the cop. I don't think so. Dude, stop staring at us. Go back. Get that guy that guy that can see through our pants. I like that guy.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Are he only claimed he could see through your pants? It's a weird super power to have, isn't it? declaimed to eat or so. Are we having an eating contest? I don't get what this is about. Isn't this like how you guys show how tough you are where you're from? You just try to eat food the quickest way possible. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:51:06 While staring at the people, yeah. Intimately. And also you have to make a really weird piece when you eat it. You can't just like eat it. You have to be really fucking weird about it. So far Mando has been the least likable of the kids, including the girl that was like kind of bragging about being a bitch. Which I think checks out because I thought Mando
Starting point is 00:51:25 it was like a villain in the Generation X comic. Yeah, I don't really understand. So like, so, wait, Mondo's the guy of the glasses, right? No, no, no, that's three fracks. Okay, cool. All right. Mondo's the guy who just throws out casual racism. Well, they're both assholes. And no, to be frank,
Starting point is 00:51:47 skin is being really creepy right now. He is straight up following that girl. Mm-hmm. But they're all terrible. You fucking prick? You see your tits? I thought for a second, the guy was going to be really cool and be like, hey,
Starting point is 00:52:10 you keep following our friends around and it's getting really uncomfortable for them. Can you just knock it off? But instead they're going to do a humiliation bit. Dude, it's the 90s. I got the list. They're clearly jocks as well. You can't trust jocks.
Starting point is 00:52:24 No, with their letterman jackets. Oh, yeah, yeah. There you go. They all wear the same ones. So you know they're all together. They're all in the same team. You can't use. You can't use your powers.
Starting point is 00:52:38 You just have to be humiliated. Yeah. Well, what parts would he use? The part of like stretch his arm. Stretch his arm towards the door and then walk out the door. Like, what would he do?
Starting point is 00:52:55 Chamber, that kind's, right? That's a shout out. If somebody just name drops husk, we're good. People don't know that his first name was security. So.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Yeah. Security chamber. Security chamber. A lot of he said he's taking a lot of abuse since he's been here How many people have seen your tids? Yeah The dudes aren't looking through your clothes He has to be getting the shit bullied out of him this whole time hasn't he?
Starting point is 00:53:26 The dudes aren't he? You know what I mean? Oh, I love that weird keyboard. It's very 90s as well It's like those giant mouses that have like a trackball at the thumb Yeah, yeah The really weird looking ones that like look like looks so one-wheeled you're like how could anybody in the world
Starting point is 00:53:48 fucking use this? Oh, it's a floppy disc, man, we're fucking going. Oh my God, but that the list. This is the most nightiest thing in the world. Can we get some rage against the machine in here? He just put his credit card in there. He's paid $5 for this room.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Yeah. You have it cost you to go into the room. Wait, wait. He found the deck. Yeah, so they have the dream machine. The dream machine is in the mansion. Yeah?
Starting point is 00:54:21 That seems to be the case. Oh, that's a small version of it. Yeah. So this, did this guy make the dream machine? He also apparently made virtual fighter. They love virtual fighter. And slick lips, which is apparently lipstick
Starting point is 00:54:38 and was it, they say cool guy's cigarettes? It's just a strong guy cigarette. Coffin cigarettes. Okay. But I don't understand. Didn't he say he was the inventor of the dream machine? Yes, I think so. So why is the dream machine in the mansion?
Starting point is 00:54:56 I think it's going to be revealed that Emma Frost technically designed it and he stole it. Oh, you know what? That checks out. See, as somebody who does work in a corporate environment, this is exactly what it's like. Whenever I have to present data, I put on my brightest red suit, my loudest shirt, and I just walk around doing a Jim Carrey impersonation. Say, those gentlemen. Ladies gentlemen, we got strong-ey-cigarettes.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Are you impressed? So, yeah, no, no, he's, it's a marketing thing. That's always a bad sign in the presentation when somebody asks, what's your point? Is this what you do? Like, you walk around and go, listen, man, don't ask me what I do. What I do is I kill motherfuckers like you, all right? There's subconscious. See?
Starting point is 00:55:47 I jab an executive in the forehead. So he's a mutant, is he? Did he just like, use his power? No, no, he. He's not a mutant. He's just, because he hates mutants. They established that. When he did that, the hand on the head, I thought he was using his part.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Like, shut that guy on. No, he's just being a dick. Oh, I mean, he could do both. Yeah. Oh, geez, that's the second time he's been told to get to the point. He had that's got a sting. So he's going to make them shit themselves? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:26 10 o'clock. I like how the guy was like, is this supposed to be funny? I'm like, do you think that's funny? I think he did say yes. Do you think eight people shitting themselves at once is funny? I mean, it's pretty funny. Because it's the 90s.
Starting point is 00:56:46 That's what we love to see. Is it a big sound effect? Oh, please. Yeah. Please. Oh, some of them are burping. She gets points from actually making the noise. Why did he say, gentlemen, there's a lady there?
Starting point is 00:57:12 Okay, I'm confused. How did he do that? So he, he, oh man, this is really 90s too. That is very 90s. fucking lawn more man is this the danger man or the danger room
Starting point is 00:57:25 danger man yes it is no whoa whoa whoa how did he how did he make them shit themselves he used the the machine he lets him go into people's dreams
Starting point is 00:57:35 and he can make suggestions in their dreams so he basically plans ideas I'm okay I'm kind of confused so he has a copy that he stole from Emma Frost and then Emma Frost
Starting point is 00:57:44 made her own dream machine I'm guessing that's the case yeah that's why he has hates him afrost so much. But if he has a dream machine where he can make people do whatever he wants, why is he making them fart rather than giving him more of their money? Because he's a capitalist, I guess.
Starting point is 00:58:03 I don't know. No, but if he is a capitalist, why would he make them fart instead of just making them do what he wants them to do? Right? He can make us all fart. And dangerous. We can't. best with this guy.
Starting point is 00:58:25 He's your loose cannon, Bam. Brian Filman's here. Just like your balls, Bob. Get him, Bab. He's got off the deep bed. I'll strangle him in his sleep. Oh, different background.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Oh, because he's in a dream now. Oh, looks like he's fucked up. He's in his pajamas lately. Now you're asleep. And I will kill you. Via Farts. Again, I think, this is a good idea and they get shot well
Starting point is 00:59:08 but like I'm a little confused is he dreaming this whole scenario no he's I think the dream just started like I think it was a smash cut just showed him in his bed yeah yeah he's dreaming now he's asleep but did he dream this entire
Starting point is 00:59:23 no no he's dreaming this part now yes so after the farts they all just went home yeah yeah it was just a smash cut for the transition. Oh, we're farting. We better go. I can't, I got to go. See, you know, this is a beat
Starting point is 00:59:44 from Batman forever because when Edward Enigma goes crazy, he kills his boss. Who was also played by a famous character actor, I believe that Begley Jr. Oh, yes. That's what I was thinking. That's what I, that's what you were talking about the Jim Carrie thing. This, oh, that's,
Starting point is 00:59:59 that's, that is exactly fucking Batman. Yes. That's what happens. Yes. I think that's where most of the budget went. And Batman Forever also had a little machine that went over your brain and involved your dreams. When did Batman Forever come on? Was it 95, I think?
Starting point is 01:00:22 I think so a year before this? Yeah. Wow. Can you imagine these guys writing that script and then see it not film and go, fuck. 95, yeah. Jesus Christ. Batman, 1995. They're like, we've already started filming and they made this film. God damn. We got the fart bit and everything.
Starting point is 01:00:38 God damn. No, we didn't have a fart bit in Batman forever. Right. Make it longer. No, I'm being the guys who made this film. They're looking at Batman Forever and going, fuck, dude, they did all the bits we're going to do. They got Jim Carrey. They got the guy fall out the window.
Starting point is 01:00:55 What can we do this different? I know. Farts. We'll have a bunch of guys that farting on each other. Because the Dream Machine, like you said, is pretty similar to the, Enigma machine. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this looks like
Starting point is 01:01:13 an actual job. Yeah, he's stealing. He sticks stealing the thoughts of those other guys, right? It's very, very similar. All right. New quiz. What do you guys like better? This film or Batman Forever?
Starting point is 01:01:28 I like the hook on the nose. I like the thing on the nose because like we got to get the smell too. I think it's supposed to be in front of her face and it just looks like it's on her nose. We got to get the nose. We got to get the smell. very important. Is this her
Starting point is 01:01:42 house? Are they on a webcam shot? I love that. It's like a photo, right? Like a photo frame? Yeah. If it's a photo frame, I love it. If it's a webcam, I like it less. I like this, like the astral plane.
Starting point is 01:02:22 Do you believe in hiding? Is that already said? I think he's asking where she's been hiding. Yeah. Oh, okay. Because he saw her in the arcade and she's like, the perfect test specimen for him. Right, he's like hunting their down.
Starting point is 01:02:43 So is that the astral plane or is that like a dream? That's a dream world. Okay. I do like how they kept the same kind of visual concept for it. Next time goes over fun. Yeah, let me tell my dreams that, you motherfucker. Like when you go to bed, like today I'd like to have a fun dream. Not one where I get stabbed.
Starting point is 01:03:11 17 times, please. Get to the nose bit. So, I am so confused about, like, Angelo's character is like, he's like the misfit amongst
Starting point is 01:03:28 the misfits, but he's also weirdly pushy. Yeah, I'm not... Oh, no, he's creepy. He's spying on a girl in his dreams. Jeez. More tits, but his face says,
Starting point is 01:03:46 I didn't want this, but his heart says, as is exactly what I wanted. Lord, he's so... He is so over the top. That's a great shot. I really like that. Yeah, yeah, I really like that.
Starting point is 01:04:05 I mean, they have kind of used it a few times in the last five minutes. But I really, I think. Exactly. Like, the budget is small. They need to fill this up with stuff. And I think that's a really good way to, like, very simply put over, like, that kind of thing, you know. Like, the two silhouettes on the big dreamscape. I think it looks pretty good.
Starting point is 01:04:31 Let's be honest, they need all the help they can get in this film. Is he doing a Leslie Jordan impersonation? I don't know what he's doing. Here, I'm going to introduce you too in the dream world. Does she have any idea this is going on? Was she dreaming that she was brushing her own hair in her bedroom? I guess.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Is she dreaming of this too? Yeah, I guess so. I had a dream of this weird guy in a suit. Just appeared? Remember that creepy guy who was following me around the other day? had a dream about him. And then they went away. Then they just stopped talking to me.
Starting point is 01:05:15 Your skin tone seems rather muted. Now, mind you, in the comic's skin was like gray and he was a little saggy because of the whole skin stretching powers. Yeah. Oh. Wow. The cop. The cops just turned up to his fucking house. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:33 They were going to arrest him. And they remember they had established like, don't unplug someone from the dream machine, but they get lost. This is him getting lost But you see it by skin Yeah I actually I actually kind of like that tunnel shot as well
Starting point is 01:05:51 You save me You want to get married So now he's stuck here So he's stuck at the dream world Yeah He seems pretty cool about it So he is basically the Shadow King then Yeah
Starting point is 01:06:16 Yeah that's what I was thinking At Jim Carrey Instead of astral playing We're doing dream worlds Yeah now I live here ta-da yeah see he's like brain dead now
Starting point is 01:06:31 he adapted to it super quickly yeah he's like catatonic now we can't arrest this guy if he's asleep he can't arrest this man if he's obviously in poor of physical health Corey let me ask a question about American police can they arrest a steeping man
Starting point is 01:06:49 absolutely well then this film is incorrect maybe they couldn't in the 90s but that was when Bill Clinton was president, so. Dude, Clinton's going to be, whatever. Did she say she cosmically shit her pants? Yeah, there was a lot of blanks. She said her fucking pants.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Did that, is that what she said? Yeah. Wow. It's the 90s. How do you cosmically do that? Like, I know how you can physically do that. How do you cosmically do that? Do the stars do it?
Starting point is 01:07:24 I'm very confused. So our A storyline is Matt Fruer in the dream world. Our B storyline is Angelo pushing the dream machine stuff. Is this our C storyline? Is these two having a love art? These are fucking guys? Yeah. Lee and Staley and Courtney Love.
Starting point is 01:07:57 I don't know who this is supposed to be. Well, so this is Chamber and Husk, but not Chamber and Husk. which Chamberlust did have a romance in the comics. These are the new characters, right? Yeah, these are the two new characters. And M and Mando get to do fucking nothing. So it's refrax and what's the girl's name? Buff.
Starting point is 01:08:22 Like Bagwell. Jesus stuff. But you never see it because of a baggy clothes. Wow, here's some shit. So wait, is this... Who's this guy? Wink at a... see the guy from I think you should leave.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Yeah. Is it Robinson? Yeah. Looks a little like him. I'm not even supposed to be here today. What the fuck? What the fuck? It does seem very most like him.
Starting point is 01:09:00 It does a little bit. Corey, have you seen the one he does where he does the, um, where he's singing the song? Yes. The Skelons come to life? Yes. Oh, that's the funniest one. And their bones are their money. So are the worms.
Starting point is 01:09:26 They pulled your hair up, but not out. John, have you known what we're talking about? Do you know what we're talking about? We lost him. No, no, I know. Oh, have you seen that bit? Have you seen that one? I've seen all of them, but I don't remember that bit.
Starting point is 01:09:47 Dude, it's so funny. That's my favorite sketch out of the whole lot. Where they're doing this country song to a producer and the guy's like, I don't like this stuff. And the guitarist's like, hang on I got this. So he turns to the other guys and goes, play along with me. We're going to do a song in G. Just follow my lead.
Starting point is 01:10:05 And the bassist is Tim Robinson. So he's like, oh, I'll follow your lead. All right. So the guitar starts doing like a Jimmy Cash thing. Like, you know, then I went to town and I got all my horse. And then I saw that lady. I shot that man. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:16 And then Tim Robbins is like, that's in the day the skeletons came to time. Oh, it's so good. Look it up at YouTube. Anyway, there's more to this film. Yep. So we got to see that M has super strength finally. She's getting pursued by Greeter's.
Starting point is 01:10:37 So her big show of strength was, I can hit the big. Because like no other woman could do that, right? It could only be as super being weird and creepy. And this guy's also being creepy. but in a different way. Shit, didn't I see you my dream? It's bonus time.
Starting point is 01:11:04 I feel like a total bitch. I'm writing out as bonus to Corey. You make the title of this episode, it's bonus time. I mean, I name them after what you put in the thumbnail. So, the Spark Avengers watch, it's bonus time.
Starting point is 01:11:27 The Smart Avengers watch Generation X. Dot, dot, dot. It's bonus time. It's bonus time. What does that even mean? I have no fucking clue. Well, do you feel like he's also laying his accent on really thick? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:44 But again, it feels that way. What accent is he trying to do? Well, he's trying to do like sort of American Southwest a little bit. Okay. I see. I thought it was like doing sort of like an exaggerated Mexican accent. Like a Latino accent. American Southwest.
Starting point is 01:12:03 Okay. Yeah. Like an Adi Guerrero kind of like Grey Mysterio. Like Latino but still like North America kind of thing. Quit being creepy.
Starting point is 01:12:18 He's not. He's won the woman over. A woman wouldn't go out with a creepy guy. We got more images showing how strong she is. Remember how like, Banshee was like, hey, don't showcase your powers. The problem was he said it in such a
Starting point is 01:12:37 heavy accent. They didn't understand what he said. Hey, don't show, don't show your don't show your fucking powers. Well, they're in the car. The fucking car. Take your glasses off, babe. Let me see the laser eyes. She feels like she's kissing Quentin Tarantino.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Kissing Quentin Tarantino? What does that mean? Does he wear sunglasses? Jesus Christ. Guys, calm down. he's trying to eat her that's later that's his real mutant power after we see the tids
Starting point is 01:13:17 I think you got that x-ray vision yeah I just saw something that made me super happy I saw your fucking buffed back dude it was your tits I was super happy about it but not gonna go because I've seen your tits
Starting point is 01:13:37 like why would he run away after seeing the tits hey jubilee can I see your tits I'm joking I don't have to ask I can just do it give me the details I saw her tits they walked away
Starting point is 01:13:59 what hold on I mean he's yeah I mean it is a dick move to be able to go to your friend and immediately start like yeah you are
Starting point is 01:14:36 but he walked away and to be fair it was the girl who wanted to think of grass is off yes exactly she wanted it and then he freaked out he walked away
Starting point is 01:14:49 way. Yeah. That's some kind of character development. Oh, it's these fucks. That's their team name. These are all men in their threes. These subtitles are not grip. Oh, man, hard art.
Starting point is 01:15:20 Oh, but down on the list, I like, these guys are like, we're going to fucking support our own. You know, we're going to look after our boys. We hate them, but we hate those other guys too. Yeah. Stop saying it. Oh, he called a pubid.
Starting point is 01:15:50 And he broke his hand on his face. It's a rumble. It's a rumble. By God, I don't believe it. I do like this visual of M showing up with all these dudes who are holding stuffed animals that she won for them. That's fun. But blah, blah, blah. Guys, who has a better brawling scene?
Starting point is 01:16:09 This film or AW? I mean, it looked like they made physical contact on some of these people. That wig just got worse. This is bad lighting. It's not great. I think it's a bad lighting. It doesn't look great. At least we got an Eddie better shout-eyed.
Starting point is 01:16:34 That's a night you say. I don't know why they didn't go with Lee and Celie, but hey, we'll take it. I love how the guy that looks like Leon Sealy said he was Eddie better. But you know what? Just work it. Oh, Batchie's pissed. I mean, he's been the nice teacher this whole time, and they took advantage of that niceness.
Starting point is 01:16:58 Has he? Yeah, he was like, oh, you can, oh, you can. Oh, you can drive me car. Drive me car. Oh, you can drive me car. You can drive me car. Oh, you can drive me car. Go.
Starting point is 01:17:11 I feel like up to this point, though, there hasn't been a huge, like, really good dichotomy between those two guys. Like, if this was real Emma Frost, there would be a lot more, like, manipulating stuff going on. And if this was really bouncy, there would be a lot more, like, him playing off Emma Frost. Do you know what he mean? Yeah. I get that the whole point of this film is to play off. They're not the focus of the show. Yes.
Starting point is 01:17:38 I understand that they're trying to show up the kids more than the adults. But I feel like with a character as strong as Emma Frost, you should show her off equally. Like she needs that kind of time. And then Banshee could bounce off that. You know what I mean? Because if you had that more... The stars of that comic series was Banshee and Emma Frost's like Interplay.
Starting point is 01:18:00 Yes. That exactly. That's what I think is... like a real necessary. And again, I know they're limited by like an hour and a half of TV show.
Starting point is 01:18:08 Now, are they saying like, oh, we're going to expel you from the Xavier school because you used your powers? I feel like that would be like the wrong thing to do
Starting point is 01:18:16 in this instance. Yeah, because there's only six of you. So if you all leave, we have no, we have no school. Also, where is Xavier?
Starting point is 01:18:29 Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Important. So here we're getting the good teacher, bad teacher vibe now because she's like all right everybody everybody everybody's kicked out band she's like hold on now you are kicked out some of you are kicked out see this is good see this i like this yeah well especially because the villain's main problem is with her
Starting point is 01:19:06 i feel like we've not really gotten a lot out of her no but also not nothing about him and her like ever interacting. You understand, like, the villain hates Emma Frost, so he's going after her children, but how do you know children obviously is like, metaphorically? I don't mean her biological children.
Starting point is 01:19:28 I mean, like, I reached these kids. Yeah, the people that she's raising in the house, right? I get that. But, like, you don't really understand how that guy knows that those children are being looked after by Emma Frost. Like, there's a lot of, like,
Starting point is 01:19:42 questions that haven't really been answered correctly here. And if that guy can go to people's sleep and dreams and stuff, why isn't he going to Emma Frost's dreams? I think he has to find them. And I think he just doesn't know where she is. Like he found Jubilee and Angelo when they entered the dream machine. So there was like, it was kind of like a spider in a web, like something interrupted the web. And that's where you knew.
Starting point is 01:20:06 So they have to go into the machine itself because the machine. Or not necessarily, not necessarily the machine itself, but he just has to know where they are. Because he found his boss. Because the machine is in the Xavier Mansion, and so is Emma Frost. Yeah. So like, why wouldn't he therefore know that she is also there? Well, I mean, that's the thing is I don't think he knows physically where they are. He just knows when they enter his little dream world.
Starting point is 01:20:36 Right. So he doesn't know the actual location of the mansion. He just knows that those two people It's the dream world. Yeah. Okay. Now, he just showed up at this girl's house unannounced.
Starting point is 01:20:47 Is this a dream, though? Whoa, whoa. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fuck? I think we've just now discovered this is a dream. Okay. Because
Starting point is 01:20:58 that took a really quick turn. That's really nice of them because we were like, is this a dream or not? And then they answered that immediately. I like that. We're really on this dance scene. Yeah, they're not great at dancing.
Starting point is 01:21:26 What dance is that that he's doing with the... Like, listen, when I dream and I'm having to dance, can you put like one bird? Yeah. Like way over in the corner. Is that okay? Now, please transition this to be Matt Fruer. Just imagine that.
Starting point is 01:21:43 Like the camera turns in such a manner that it reveals he's kissing Matt Furrer. That'd be really good That's actually really smart Oh what if Wait wait Which one is kissing Matt Bewer I want
Starting point is 01:21:56 I want Angela to be kissing him Yeah Yeah yeah If the dude was kissing him Like that's a perfect That's a great fucking That's a creepy Yeah
Starting point is 01:22:04 He was just a creepy When you were dream That's creepy That's creepy that he did that on purpose I'm like yeah I fucked her Like In the dreams
Starting point is 01:22:11 Are a real problem In this Oh that's weird Also that's got nothing to do With his skin thing Like what the fuck this has been a trip
Starting point is 01:22:25 hasn't it yeah a lot going on oh so now the other guy is going to get in his dreams yeah so we're back into the sexy dance
Starting point is 01:22:38 place the music's playing again let me get some stuff straight other guys catatonic all right so he only exists in the dream world now
Starting point is 01:22:48 yeah yeah he's gone brain dead so anytime those guys that interacted with him in the dream world go to sleep, he can interact with them. Yes. Okay. Because he knows who he is and where to find him now. Because he's in the dream world and then when they
Starting point is 01:23:02 go to sleep, they're also in the dream world. I do like him. It's such a shame. Like you said, if this was filmed a bit better, he would be such a great character. You know what you mean? I feel like the film quality lets it down a bit. Yeah. Fuck. You told you to me with my machine?
Starting point is 01:24:02 She's 15. Yep, creepy. And I'm 45. That's right. I'm Jerry Seinfeld. Oh, this is good. I feel so sorry for him. He plays a good Sherlock Holmes, too, weirdly enough.
Starting point is 01:25:00 Does he? It's not this over the top, obviously. Wow. When does he play Sherlock Holmes? I think he was like the 2000s? That was Robert W. Jr. Yep. So I went at the big time.
Starting point is 01:25:23 That I think is a good angle I like the idea We set up this guy He can access his dreams He gets taken out of the dream really quickly So he's stuck in the dream world And now his whole angle is Again, you're correct
Starting point is 01:25:39 Very much like the Shadow King He wants his life back He wants his body back I get that But now he's threatening his little sister He looks completely different Oh no No
Starting point is 01:25:56 Oh no It's the 90s. Oh, the fact that he pushed your head back down, too, is rough. Yeah. Back down there. Get back down there. You can't see it right now. She's sucking me off right now.
Starting point is 01:26:11 That's right. He's 12. State mental institution. What state? Don't worry about it. All of them? Oh, I'm stretching it. So he's trained himself enough that it doesn't hurt him anymore.
Starting point is 01:26:30 But all we've seen him do is dick around with computers and read. It's hard to see. I don't know how that's translated. In that last shot, it's kind of hard to see. But when he raised his arm up, you could see the shadow of his arm going up. The shadow went up. It was kind of hard to see. I'm like, that's clever too.
Starting point is 01:26:45 Like, that's a good way to get around that. Do you know what I mean? Simple stuff. I don't know what, like, it really is a minimum security thing, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. That was the emphasis was the minimum. Climmed in through the first floor window. That's all it took.
Starting point is 01:27:09 you the fucking guy. Like, why wouldn't you just kill him? Right? I guess he doesn't know he's a bad guy at this point. Well, he doesn't realize maybe if he kills his body, he doesn't necessarily mean his mind his mind is going to die in the dream world. But the whole point of this guy is he wants him to put his dream self back into his real body. So then you're like, well, if you really want your real body that badly,
Starting point is 01:27:35 if I kill the real body, he gives a shit of it your dreams, right? well he already like has threatened to like terrorize like the people he loves and I mean we already seen that he's has the ability to make people commit suicide well I get that's true oh shit your pants are controlled yeah so you wouldn't want that for your sister
Starting point is 01:27:56 hey it worked that's it his his big one liner was I liked it so much I bought the company not the best he didn't say nothing but Bortga Fighter?
Starting point is 01:28:13 So he pretended to be a zombie and scared off the one guard. What? Wait, wait, wait. Did I miss something? No, this is how you make a secret lab. You get a bunch of Tesla coils. Different suit. He had time to change.
Starting point is 01:28:43 I'm going to strap you this shit. But I don't know. Let me put the yellow seat on. How he managed to retain him, the dude literally can stretch his body. And, like, he had no weapon. Right. I don't know why this guy's not fucking retaliating against this guy who has no powers whatsoever.
Starting point is 01:29:06 Because he's got a bull guy game. He was, wasn't he like, more dangerous in the dream world than he is physically? I mean, that's what I'm saying. He's not dangerous in the real life at all. So like,
Starting point is 01:29:20 why wouldn't you just kill the body? That's what I'm saying. I'm listening. Oh, I'm moving. I'm moving. I've already to get stretched really far, but I can't.
Starting point is 01:29:37 He's remembering. that one class they showed them taking. Is that a C-3 ball gag? Is it a C-3 ball gag? That's strange attention to the detail. Why would that guy go and buy a C-through ball guy? Maybe he didn't buy one for business purposes, but just happened to have one. Even so, you have to go out of your way to buy a C-3 ball gag, right?
Starting point is 01:30:02 Listen, in my personal life, never seen a C-3 ball guy. So Skin used telepathy to tell Jubilee He was in trouble Because she was in the dream tank She was in the dream scape, right? No, no, no, no, he just appeared to her telepathically. No, but weren't they both?
Starting point is 01:30:24 Didn't they both use the dream machine? Yeah. They both did it, but that was the point was He was using what he was taught by Emma Frost to like put himself in the national plane and communicate with her. Okay, that does make any sense. The way I said made more sense.
Starting point is 01:30:39 they showed them taking. If it was actually, because they both were the ones that used a dream machine, and then the other man had the dream machine, that made more sense than him suddenly being able to manifest Emma Frostpower, right? Well, I think another thing to pay attention to is, it's so weird that his connections with Jubilee is in that that, like, she's the only one there that's been kind of nice to him.
Starting point is 01:31:05 Because he hasn't tried to fucking be a creep to her. yet. There's still time. There's another dimension there. It's always been there. Don't worry about it. Weirdly enough, this is make me want to get the epic collections of the Generation X comic run. I mean, true.
Starting point is 01:31:31 I also want to read more Generation X, but it does feel like the way they're talking about the dream dimension. It doesn't it seem like they're talking about the Asthma Plan? Yeah. A lot. Like a lot. Like they just couldn't be valid to actually come out and say it. What kind of commencement? his entire building.
Starting point is 01:32:14 The building is dream? Yeah. What? I'm going to, sorry, this is a really tense moment. Can we can, I'm about to tell you guys, you guys are going to maybe die from this. I feel like this is not the time for your. Nope. Hey, this is my last chance.
Starting point is 01:32:47 So, um, I really want to see Emma Frost Niggers, please. So thank you. Hey, I'm a gentleman. I didn't look at your vagina when my x-ray vision kicked in. Do you what I love about that was he says, listen, man, I just want to tell you, I didn't look at your dick. But like, but like, he can just say that, right?
Starting point is 01:33:11 Like, he totally did. No, he saw her thigh and then freaked out and stopped looking. But him going, I didn't look at that. He totally did, right? So he could just say he didn't. Yes. And then she's like, oh, that's nice. But he's like, in his head, is like, I fucking did.
Starting point is 01:33:27 Now, I can't remember. Are they actually going to get physical, uniforms or because they're going into the dream world, they get dream uniforms. I imagine because they're like dream wise, they get the dream uniforms. All right, guys. But hang on the one room with the fog machine, please. Yeah. And the rock climbing wall.
Starting point is 01:33:45 Again, let me, let me get evidence straight here. They're going into the dream world, but not through the dream machine. No. They're going through the dream. Emma said basically that dream, the dream machine is used by people who don't have strong enough. psychic powers to get there that way. This part is happening in real life. Yes.
Starting point is 01:34:05 This isn't the dream part. This is real. And so the other guys are going through the dream door to go into the dream world. I think they're going to pull him into the dream ally, like a la Freddy Crooker, maybe. Right. But they all went through the dream door as opposed to using the dream machine, which is like a bed. Emma Frost at some point Made the dream machine
Starting point is 01:34:31 Which was a bed And then altered that to make a dream door That was the same as a machine But you just walk to shave his head with a straight razor Holy shit Circumcised Wait wait wait Is this the dream or not
Starting point is 01:34:47 Is this real? Did they go there? Or is this a dream? Yeah it seems to be So this is a dream They pulled them into the dream I think So they are dreaming this thing that could happen in real life. No, it's no, it's, it's no dreams.
Starting point is 01:35:03 This is, this is the psychic world. No, no, no, no. So there's the real world where that guy's strapped to the bed with the ball gag. No, it's not the dream world. That's physically there. Right. That's what I'm saying. The real world is that guy is strapped to that bed with the ball gag in his mind.
Starting point is 01:35:22 That's, in the real actual world. Yeah. It's the real actual world. And so they walked through the dream door to go teleport to the real world. Yes? I don't know. They teleported to the actual part of the world where this is happening. But the real world.
Starting point is 01:35:44 Yes. That seems to be the implication. It's not a dream. Is he wearing a kimono? I'm really, hold on. Oh, no. I do like the kimono, though. It is nice.
Starting point is 01:36:07 He just... he's a real manched to throw her. So he's in the dream. He teleported two? Yeah, he went in first. Can I just say, you're pretty good of beating up children. Well, thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:36:21 I don't know how that isn't a bigger quote. That is a phenomenal quote. You're so going to bid it up children. That's good. That's the best use of bansies part. That looked really good. But they are in the dream because that's the dream world. They told you.
Starting point is 01:36:40 They kind of pulled him into it. So they aren't in the real world? I don't think so anymore. What the fuck? Oh, no, he's giant. But he has a little hand. Hang on. Are they in the real world and then outside this house?
Starting point is 01:36:59 It's the dream world. Because they said that, remember they said the building, they were going to pull the building into the dream world? Yes. So it's the building. is a building in the real world and the outside's the dream world?
Starting point is 01:37:16 I don't... Can somebody help me? I feel sick. So he has powers in the dream world. Apparently. So he is a mutant. No, he's not a mutant. But he has powers in the dream world.
Starting point is 01:37:42 I think he just knows how to exploit the dream world because he's kind of the human expert on the dream world. Which would suggest that he might be. mutant. Why is his face green? Do you guys think that guy looks a little bit like Jamie Noble? West Virginia's own. So he's West Virginia and Irish.
Starting point is 01:38:11 Man, that's a lot. That's me. If you imagine Jamie Noble doing an Irish accent, that makes sense. Does he have a know? Is it an Irish accent mixed with the West Virginia Appalachian accent? Doesn't that make sense when he said like that? Stretchy skin.
Starting point is 01:38:40 Look. him. Look at him. Whoa! That looked pretty good. That's where the budget went. That's where the budget went. That's the budget. Wow. So Angelo sacrificed himself. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:38:56 Yeah, don't you kill yourself. I like you. I'm going to see your test later. No, no. It's like you were the only one that's not been a creep so far. That's interesting. And they're like, well, guess he's fucked. well I mean he was a bit of a creep stretchy skin oh
Starting point is 01:39:20 big arm rest of body so is this a madam webb experience where they're not going to actually be in a costume until like the very fucking end it's looking increasingly like that way come to me my ax man which time's left uh yeah there's three minutes left
Starting point is 01:39:43 that's the go home shot is then one of them in a uniform Fuck you, mate. I like the chandel here. Card game in the 90s. Out of the list. So M and Mando were definitely the two characters
Starting point is 01:40:10 that got no exposure in this. M had fucking nothing you do. Oh, those are Generation X-branded cards. Corey, you're familiar with Generation X. Yes. John, I know you're not. Corey, if you were to make your own
Starting point is 01:40:26 Generic Nax film... Here it is. Would you focus on skin? No. No. All right, there we go. Costum reveal. It's buff slash husk.
Starting point is 01:40:39 That is, that is Nicole Bass, right? I mean, that is a cosmic accurate uniform. Corey, say it right. Uniform. It's your new uniforms. It's your new uniform. It's your new uniform's face. That sounded brilliant.
Starting point is 01:40:57 He's getting ready for a coffin flop. So he's still alive. But his brain got disconnected again. Again? Yeah. But now he's just falling through an abyss for all eternity. It's really angry about it. I mean, wouldn't you?
Starting point is 01:41:21 I'd be pretty pissed. Oh, zoom in on the eye, please. Thank you. And the end of the credits? In the credits? Zoom into the credits? Yes. Zoom in the credits.
Starting point is 01:41:32 Yeah, yep, I'll take it. Generation X will be back in. Never. Wow. Did Jim Lee get a cameo in this? Is that what I just saw? It looked like a. Who was he?
Starting point is 01:41:50 I don't know. Some extra. Okay. That was something. You know what, though? I enjoyed that a little bit more than I thought I would. It was fun, wasn't it? It was fun.
Starting point is 01:42:08 I didn't totally hate it. I feel like, John, you could probably corroborate this, too, because you've seen more films I have, But like, I feel like... Oh, those old Marvel logos. I feel like I've seen worse films than that. Do you mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:22 I don't think... Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah. I don't think it was great, but, like, I've definitely seen worse films than that. And that was so... I think maybe part of it was because I saw it with you guys, like, we were able to, like, joke about it. Yeah. If I watched it by myself, I'd be like, that sucks.
Starting point is 01:42:38 But, like, the fact that the three of us were watching it, I'm like, you know what? There's a lot of, like, fun stuff there. Yeah. A big joke about. The Irish accent was a gift. I loved it, though. I fucking loved how over the top that Irish accent was. Irish.
Starting point is 01:42:55 Oh, Irish. Oh, my lucky time. I bet you just open up your window loud and you just hear this all day. I would love that guy to actually come to like Dublin or something. You know what I mean? Did you get beaten up? But you know what? Here's the thing. Like you can hear like when he hear his shame is talking like that's a Dublin accent.
Starting point is 01:43:19 And I love it. It's like pure Dublin. Do you know what I mean? Like that's a Dublin accent. Yeah. And he like lives. He came from like just above Dublin, but like you can tell it's like that area. You know.
Starting point is 01:43:31 Whereas if you hear like Finn Baller, it's similar but not to see him. Yeah. And to see him like you go to court. He'd be going to Donegal. If you go off to north like it's very different, you know. Finn, yeah, Finn's accent's a little. thicker in the end. Like, it seems like it starts fine and then it gets real strong at the end of every sentence. And I think part of that's because Dublin's such a very, like, popular tourist attractions. It's very easy to go to. So it's kind of become a lot more homogenized. You know, same of Belfast. Belfast, like, is a place where a lot of people go, they come to Northern Ireland. So, like, that accent gets very kind of like mixed. And then the further out of Belfast you go, the crazier the accent gets.
Starting point is 01:44:12 And to seem with Dublin. Dublin has a very like, that's what Dublin sounds like. And then the further out you go, if you're not from here, the further out of Dublin you go, the more you're going to be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Right. So that's a fact. So real quick, because we've been going, we've, we've been at this for about an hour 47. What were your high points and low points, John?
Starting point is 01:44:37 You've seen more movies than either of us combined. from your expert opinion Yes, give us your like film review Kind of like Yeah, what did you give this on Letterbox? Yeah, give us your grid Well, I haven't given it a grade yet But I will probably give this
Starting point is 01:44:56 I'm gonna say one and a half stars I'd have gone to two I'd have what though Because I'm always Whenever people give a grid I'm always interested What they would greet it ought of Do they do at 5?
Starting point is 01:45:08 Do they do 10? Do they make their own? grating, because whenever I agree with stuff, I make my own gritting. Because I think five and tens, that's, that's been done. So I always grade stuff out of 13. Nobody else does it. Don, I would have given it a two. I don't know why.
Starting point is 01:45:25 I would have given it a two, but two felt right. A two at a watt? Five. Okay. So John gives that one out of five, and the core use it at a two at a five? John said one and a half. Okay. So we're not that far off.
Starting point is 01:45:38 20%. I mean, it was a good movie? I had fun watching it. Yes, but it still wasn't a good movie. I agree. Technically, like, if you're being realistic about it, it's a terrible film. Yes.
Starting point is 01:45:57 There were a lot of parts where you were like, this doesn't make any sense. There were a lot of points where we were like, what does this mean? Why is this happening? Who is this guy? What, what, what? Let's, all right, let's, let's hit the, let's hit the, the very obvious things out of the way. The plot made so little sense.
Starting point is 01:46:16 Correct. I'm not entirely sure what the villain's motivation was. Because was it to make money? Because if so, he had a really weird way going about it. Because the idea of like, oh, we'll get into people's brains and will influence them and make them like buy things or do things. Because we saw that in the beginning in the arcade where he was telling people like, oh, yeah, put on more lipstick.
Starting point is 01:46:36 Yeah, smoke more cigarettes. Yeah, I keep playing virtual fighter. But like, that went off the rails real quick when he started because it's like the mutant experimentation. Like it wasn't really clarified what was that about? Right. I think that's a really good point is that like it seemed like it was a bite manipulating people. Because they had that whole like boardroom scene where you talked like to the other board members and the shareholders and stuff. That seems like it's a money-based thing.
Starting point is 01:47:04 But then you're like, well, how exactly are you making money? of this. Like, I don't quite understand. Well, so, so I can see that if it was just like, we'll influence people to buy things that they don't really want or need, but because we're going to go on their dreams and supplant these subliminal messages, they'll do it.
Starting point is 01:47:21 I get that. That's fine. But there was no follow up on that idea. Like, his actions did not match the idea. Right. And again, I feel like part of it was they were trying to mix up a lot of stuff from the original
Starting point is 01:47:37 comics and then also try to do the more modern Marvel thing of putting the more spin on things another thing the mute like the Generation X kids were any of them likable like Jubilee seemed unoffensive of anything but she was kind of a
Starting point is 01:47:56 she was a little bit of a brat at the beginning but like she seemed fine the girl that was buff was fine M's only character thing was that she was kind of stuck up Mondo was straight up racist towards Angelo Angelo was stalking a girl refrax is just creep
Starting point is 01:48:16 Their powers weren't really explored much either Like we saw obviously skin Doing a stretchy stuff And there was a bit of fireworks with Jubilee at the beginning But then at the end Yeah but there was like Nothing really for most of them Yeah, we have to see the laser eyes
Starting point is 01:48:38 Two occasions Yeah It's definitely a budget thing Because you think like I think if they were gonna like try to spend this to a TV show They were definitely going to go lean more into like The soap opera-y angsty stuff Rather than like big power adventure
Starting point is 01:48:54 That's the problem Is that if you're doing an X-Man Even if it's a spin-off the X-Man The budget should be put into Making the X-Men Or whatever team it is look as cool as possible.
Starting point is 01:49:08 Because wouldn't that budget have been way better spent for a better finale? That finale, let's be honest, was a bit flat. There was opportunity there. There was possibility there. We never really saw what Emma Frost could do. We saw two instances of Banshee kind of used as parts. But again, that was just warping the film. That's an easy effect.
Starting point is 01:49:34 It's an easy effect to be able to pull. off, right? The skin stretching ability for the most part is also very easy to pull off. The characters they focused on were all characters whose powers were easy to focus on. Like, you don't have to use special effects for M. You could just do practical effects. Like, when she
Starting point is 01:49:50 punched that punching bag and it blew up. Buff, we just saw a body double. Like, she suddenly got like really jacked arms or her back was like super stretched or like super built. Everybody had super easy powers to make on this show. Because like, I guess
Starting point is 01:50:06 the one character and let me if I'm not mistaken I always thought Mondo was like a villain but maybe I'm wrong on that but um sync wasn't in this at all no like that's what's really funny to me is like all that stuff like oh well chamber and husks weren't included like sync isn't even mentioned
Starting point is 01:50:22 and if anything syncs got the easiest powers because he just copies other people's powers right if you've already got the CGI to be able to make somebody's power you can do it with him as well but again for me the problem is most of skins power is practical and easy to do.
Starting point is 01:50:38 The only issue is there was one part where they CGI'd his skins, his arms wrapping around the dude. There was one time when it was definitely like a computer generated image of his arms wrapping around a man. And they didn't
Starting point is 01:50:54 need to do that at all. There's no, there's no way they needed to do that. It looked all right. It could have easily been, it could have easily been somebody tackled that guy and fell off. Because that was the idea was that he grabbed him and bumped off the side. You didn't need extra arms or extra arm length to do that.
Starting point is 01:51:10 Because, I mean, Matt Fruer is not the most physically intimidating individual in the world. Because that was also to my question when he first got put back into his body and he grabbed Angelo and he's like, I need your brain. And it's like, okay, punch him in the fucking dick and get away from it. But also, I don't know what's preventing him from leaving. Why does he need this brain? Experimentation, vague experimentation. Right. Like, again, we're not being explained the proper stop here. Like, why does he need that guy's brain? That guy deceived you from clearly that. He put his... Well, he was also established as being insane. Like, they did do that. So if you want to, like, wave your hand across his motivation, he goes, well, clearly he's not mentally well. That's why his plans make no sense. And that's how you excuse bad writing. If you want to AW the whole thing, fair enough. Yeah, exactly. So the only other thing I would like to make,
Starting point is 01:52:06 is, I don't know, I loved Vangy's accent. I thought it was fucking funny, especially with it. I knew it would be watching with you, Dylan. Emma Frost was just a fucking plank of wood in this, wasn't she? Oh, yeah. She had none of the personality, none of the
Starting point is 01:52:22 flair of the comic book adaptation. But she did have boobs. She did have boobs. Yeah, we got that going for, and a really tacky looking wig. I, the wig was daff- like, that's daffney wig, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:52:35 We can all agree. That's 100% a week. Yeah. So, I'm really annoyed that, like, they did Emma Frost like that because Emma Frost, like, we talked about earlier. She's such a character. Like, she's a real character. She's got real emotions.
Starting point is 01:52:53 She's a really, like, you know, you can stag off the X amount you want, but Emma Frost is a very well put together character. And this film, even that's, to be totally fair. to everything. When this film came out, Emma Frost was still in her development phase. She wasn't quite the character
Starting point is 01:53:15 she became five years from now or even 10 years, right? It was a different character. Like she's not the Grand Mars and Emma Frost. Yeah, I mean, like I said, this was at the time, Emma was this character seeking redemption
Starting point is 01:53:29 because her last batch of students were all murdered. I understand. But exactly. Exactly. That's the thing. They had established a character for Amher Frost by this point. It wasn't that she was just a new person that they didn't know what to do with. She had something to work with.
Starting point is 01:53:47 And I feel like this film didn't capitalize on any of that. I feel like for the most part, the funny thing about this whole film is, when you look at all of the X-Men involved, this film did not capitalize on any of them correctly. we talked about this Em had like nothing to do in that film that's bizarre you know
Starting point is 01:54:12 if Chamber was in that film he would have something to do but his replacement had just he was just a creep most of the men were just creeps which is a weird character trait maybe that was what people did
Starting point is 01:54:27 in the 90s I don't know but like it's weird that most of the men were creeps and the two cool people were buff Jubilee, who, let's be honest, if we watch the X-Men comic or X-Men film, if we watched the X-Men cartoon from the 90s, Jubilee was the worst character because she had no character.
Starting point is 01:54:49 The other people had the young person. Yes. And in this film, Jubilee is one of the main characters based on the fact that her character isn't as shitty as all the other characters. Like, that's weird. Yeah. So do you guys want to do kind of like closing thoughts on this? I would really like to hear John talk about this from like a film point of view.
Starting point is 01:55:14 I mean, it's it's tough to kind of be too critical about it because obviously it is like a TV pilot that's basically an episode of TV but extended out to try and sell it to people. So it's not like a big budget movie and it's not going to have the special. effects or the you know like the sort of budget or whatever that the big movies have so in terms of like a TV
Starting point is 01:55:46 movie it's fine like there's there's not a lot to it but there's enough there that you'd think well I don't know maybe we could like imagine going back and watching more adventures set in this world
Starting point is 01:56:02 but I don't think it did a particularly good job of like selling that and making you want to check out more from these characters or these actors or no no no like I said I mean it's just these characters are not likable yeah yeah there was not
Starting point is 01:56:24 there was not really a single character that didn't come across as either like a brat or gross a buff whose only character was her character was just she seemed nice and incredibly insecure about her body. Yeah. But that's the Carveragher trade you could make something out of.
Starting point is 01:56:44 You could very easily. And they didn't. And I kind of, and I kind of did like the romance aspect of her and like the one really creepy dude. And like his like weird little face turn of like, hey, I, you know, I didn't look when I could have, you know. Yes. We had no way believing that. But that's something we have seen in the comics before. that kind of like shy, bookish person
Starting point is 01:57:05 going out with this brash, jockeish person and they're coming together in a way that like compliments both them perfectly. I feel like this film, you know, obviously the characterization of a lot of the people in it is off the mark, which is a shame. But the rest of the film, you're like,
Starting point is 01:57:23 it feels like it's really close to being good. There's potential. Yes. And you can see the potential there. But every time, you see that potential, it just strays off the mark a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, we were talking on how great that guy, the Jim Carrier I was.
Starting point is 01:57:40 Yeah, Matt Furber. Yeah. And like, he was great at the beginning. But as the film went on, you're like, his Jim Carriantics aren't matching up with everything else. No, he kept getting more and more off the mark. Something's not working here. You know what you mean?
Starting point is 01:57:55 And then the characterization of all of the X-Men characters, like every single one of them, was just too much off the mark. mark, like a little bit too far away from what they should be. Or it's really hard for you to get into any of them. Like, who do you root for? If we're going to go back to our SMARC part of our SMARC Avengers title, who, like, what Fias do you root for here? Who is the guy you think, I got to, I like this guy, I'm going to root for them?
Starting point is 01:58:24 Can I tell you who I think we are? The only people we really rooted for was Banshee because of his horrible Irish accent. And that's not good enough. Well, Banshee also did seem like the only decent person there. Like, yes, the accent was really funny. But, like, he also did seemingly, did appear to be a good character who did seem to have the children's best interests in mind. Right. But it's hard to root for that guy when he sounds fake.
Starting point is 01:58:52 What do you mean? You can't get into somebody who sounds like this. What do you mean? He sounds fake. He's not. He won't an Irish chick like. We can do this all night. We shouldn't.
Starting point is 01:59:01 we really could we really John, do your eye to attack them Oh, to be sure to be sure See, that's what Banshee sound like That is exactly what Banshee sounded like Hart Char, chart, chat, chard Oh, to be sure
Starting point is 01:59:17 Please be lucky chams Anybody can do it, it's easy I was in the middle of trying to say something and then I just couldn't think I'd say, so we just made noise. I'm like, that's close enough to what people think Irish people sound like. Yeah, isn't that right? Yeah, we're like, short. I feel like as comic fans, we all know that this was like a really good, potentially good show.
Starting point is 01:59:49 I mean, Corey, you and me have read some of genera. I haven't read all Generation X, but like I've read some of it. I'm like, I know that like, this is a really good film to capitalize on it. Like, if they wanted to, they could have done a really good job with it. And they kind of fumbled the ball a bit. Like, there was a lot of, if this was supposed to be just a way to show it off, I get it. You think, though, that they figured, oh, this is a slam dunk. We're definitely going to get picked up for a series.
Starting point is 02:00:19 So we don't have to go too deep into this now because we can explore this. when we have 24 episodes to work with. God, I wish there were 24 episodes of this. We could have been doing this forever. Four episodes! We're going to shut it down,
Starting point is 02:00:38 everybody. It's been fun. Way more fun than I thought it would be, for sure. But that was Generation X. It had potential. It was mostly bad, but we had a good time watching it, and I hope you had a good time watching it with us. Thank you very much for the in his episode. I'm watching along with us. We really appreciate it. I hope if you're from
Starting point is 02:00:57 Ireland and you watch this show as well, you understand where I'm coming from. If you're from America and you watch that show, you're like, I don't see the problem. That was perfect. Yep, that was the best ever. Yeah. That's what Ireland and sounds like to me. And I'm one quarter Irish. I love the drop kick Murphys and St. Patrick's Day is my favorite holiday. And I'm really a big fan of the song, Jump Around. I love whenever they make the Shamrock McFlorees. Shemrock shake? Yep. So I'm Irish. John, do you have any Irish politicalisms to throw in there really quick at the end?
Starting point is 02:01:37 Thank you very much for listening to this. I don't have anything. John, you want to do an Irish thing? I did drink a Guinness while I was watching this. Wow. Oh, yeah. He set the mood. I didn't. I just drank every beer other than from Ireland. I think by being in Ireland while you're drinking the beer, it does make an Irish beer.
Starting point is 02:01:59 I think it's how that works. I would say that me being in Ireland makes me the Irish contingency, right? Yeah. Goodbye, everybody. We'll see you next time. Thank you very much for listening. We already appreciate it. Thank you very much if you listened along in the show.
Starting point is 02:02:11 And you also listen to the commentary and watch the video on YouTube as well. We really appreciate that. Thank you very much. We love you guys. And we'll see you soon. Goodbye. I love you. Oh, goodbye.
Starting point is 02:02:27 Oh, goodbye. Oh, goodbye. Oh, good bye. Oh, looky charms. From the Emerald I. We say goodbye. Oh, there's a part of cool with a rainbow.

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