The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 14: The Smark Avengers Talk About Cyclops

Episode Date: May 31, 2024

Scott Summers has been the longest tenured member of the X-Men ever since Charles Xavier recruited him to his school of gifted youngsters. He's been the consummate leader, the ultimate strategist, and not afraid to make the hard calls that will put him at odds with his teammates. Is there more to Cyclops behind the ruby quartz sunglasses? Join Corey, Dylan, and Jon as they break down Cyclops' history, his trouble with women, and his militant approach to protecting his people from the looming dangers of the world!

waiting to see if it ticks back to like one again like it has been doing but it looks like we're fine good yep this is like so far the most um domesticated open we've had we're not jumping into a middle of a conversation or being weird do you want to say no no we're proper businessmen this time i don't want to be a businessman a businessman Anyway, Hi, everyone. My name is Corey and with me is Dylan and John together with the Smart Avengers.

And I didn't have anything witty to say that time about it. And I don't even know if the other stuff's been that witty, but here we are. So we have been doing a lot of X-Men content recently on the show. So why ruin a good thing?

We're going to keep on keeping on. And we're going to continue on our series of reviewing the original core X-Men team individually. So a little over a year ago, we started this out with Beast and Angel. About a month or two ago, we did Iceman, and that leaves the final two members of the original X-Men unit, perhaps the most interesting members of the original X-Men unit, and the two that are, I will say, unfortunately, in my personal opinion, attached at the fucking hip.

And that is Cyclops and Gene Gray. So today we're just going to focus on Cyclops. First off, John, what's your movie count at right now? Oh, I think I just hit 310. Let me double check. I think it was. Yes, 310. Well done.

I know that you said this last one was a rough one, though. Yeah. It was a movie called MAPS. Fia Mama, which came out last year. With who? It came. It stars Tony Colette, and she was like a producer and heavily involved in the making of it. But she maybe could have done a better job because it was awful.

So when we have talked about Beast, we focused on the more recent stuff they'd been doing with him, where they made him evil. We focused on Angel. We talked about the reoccurring storyline where they're always flipping him to Archangel and he struggles with that side of himself. And with Ice Man, we just focused on the fact that he's kind of uninteresting for the most part.

Despite like being incredibly popular, still throws me the fuck off. How so many people love that character, but he is just so boring. And today we're going to talk about the guy who is the consummate leader of the X-Men, even when he's not, it feels like he is, and that is

our boy Cyclops. So before we really dive in, do you guys have any thoughts on Cyclops that you would like to just go ahead and get out of the way? Not really. I think I talked about Cyclops and are like overrated

characters. Yes. Where I thought that Cyclops is overrated. So that's what I think about him. I think that like they could have it seems weird that they keep going with this one guy and like he's not I don't think he's that interesting to be always the leader of the X-Men

you know and sometimes they try to shake it up but I don't know if it I'll probably hear about some of the shake-ups but I don't know if if they're good you know but that's just me and my wacky opinions so what do I know John you

I mean as a kid Cyclops was my favorite character by a long shot. Who's a long shot? It's an excellent joke. There you. But I'll be honest, like over the years,

I've come to appreciate him a lot more and I think he is sort of not overrated, but rather underrated perhaps. Okay. Okay. So, yeah, this could be interesting, I guess. So I've always liked Cyclops.

He was one of my favorite characters. And to the point that we talked about this and I cut it out of the last episode, but I actually dressed as Cyclops for Halloween one year when I was like six years old. Which was really weird because like I think they were. So you remember they made that pilot for the X-Men cartoon that Wolverine was Australian in? Yes. Dylan, are you familiar with this? No.

Oh, my God. We watched. We have another watchalong. Yeah. I like all our watchalongs. You guys have seen them when I haven't, and that's the Genesis for watching them. So, Dylan, they made a pilot for an animated X-Men show that they didn't pick up.

But then a few years later, they picked up the X-Men cartoon that we watched. And this was the more of like the Chris Claremont run X-Men. So, like, Kitty Pride and. Colossus and Nightcrawler and stuff. And like the one thing I always remember from it is Wolverine is Australian for some reason. Well, it's because he Jackman's Australian. But yeah, they predicted it. Yeah.

He's well, he is Wolverine. They didn't predict it. Like a decade or so before it happened, they predicted it. He's actually Wolverine. He's a real, Rulvering. Yeah, there it is. But so like this, the, they made toys for this cartoon that didn't really come out. because the costume for Cyclops that I had,

it had like a plastic helmet that had like the visor and the visor would light up if you push the button on the side. And it was, it looked like his Claremont costume. Not like the regular, like the 90s X-Men, uh, Jim Lee look. I had that toy as well.

Hey. So yeah, that's, I wore that in like a jumpsuit and a leather jacked like a brown bomber jacket. And that was my Cyclops costume. That's pretty good. Yeah, wasn't that bad. So to get into Cyclops, we'll start at the beginning.

Cyclops is credited with being the very first X-Men. Came out in 1963, and X-Men number one. He was a, I guess his character origins were that him and his brother, who he was separated from but would later reunite with, were in an airplane with his father and mother. the plane started to go down and his parents strapped a parachute onto him and his brother

and shoved him out of the plane they got they you know hit the ground because a parachute caught on fire Cyclops hit his head and later on in life when his powers manifested as a teenager growing up in an orphanage he couldn't control his eye beams because of the head trauma

or at least that's what the explanation was at the time real quick like you said Xavier found him first used his powers to help make people forget about the accident where his powers first manifested. And here's the one piece that I don't know

if it's ever been explained or have not been able to find it where the Wikipedia page doesn't mention it. Cyclops is identifiable because of the visor where it does look like he has one eye. And he wears, when he's outside of the costume, he wears like sunglasses that have red lenses. And they're like, oh, those are Ruby Quartz lenses. And that's because like whenever

Cyclops opens his eyes, these eye beams come out. He can't control it, just whenever his eyes are open. So these sunglasses keep that from happening. I have a problem. I have a problem. I mean, what problem could you have with sunglasses stopping crazy ass fucking laser beams? Yeah. We all wear glasses, right? Correct. So you know there's like our glasses aren't just sitting directly on our eyeballs, right? So there's, is there always like a, beam that's like a two like an inch and a half beam that's just firing out of his eyes into the backs of these sunglasses constantly constantly that's what i was that was my first thought i'm like my glasses don't sit directly on my eyeballs do you think do you think like the lens is like

bounce the lasers back into his head i think he's immune to it because like he's immune to his brother's powers but yeah uh so that's that's blunder number one and number two is they they mentioned their glasses made out of ruby quartz. I don't know if that's a common mineral crystal that is used for glasses that you wear on your face. How did you acquire this knowledge? I think that's the point is that they're not, people don't normally wear ruby quartz glasses because people don't normally have lasers to shoot out of their eyes. So I know where the ruby quartz comes from. Oh, please do.

It's been bugging me because the Wikipedia articles I've been reading, haven't said it. So before Professor X found Cyclopsin brought him into the school as the first student, him and Alex were in like an orphanage. They got split up, like Alex got adopted and Cyclops got stuck there, basically, where he sort of caught the eye of Mr. Sinister, who was, sort of doing his experiments on mutants and like gathering all of his genetic information that he's want to do. And yeah, he took like a shine to Cyclops and his power and figured that like he could, him with the right match could create like the ultimate mutant, basically. So he disguised as the owner of the orphanage,

use his scientific know-how to kind of put these ruby quartz sunglasses together to help him control his eye beams. So I know Mr. Sinister posed as the, which by the way, if you're not familiar with X-Men, the name Mr. Sinister, could you take a hazard to guess and say he's a villain? Probably. Mr. Sinister was posing as the like the guy running the orphanage. And that's where the he kind of became, you know,

super invested in Cyclops's powers and everything. So anyway, we mentioned how when I had the Iceman episode that Cyclops was kind of the, he became kind of a de facto leader of the team because I think it was, he was the first. So kind of initially in the X-Men run, a lot of Cyclops' characterization, was sort of the kind of the leader kind of because they very early on were pushing the Gene Gray

and Cyclops relationship and his own insecurities because he was having to compete against Angel who is a rich guy. Not the most interesting characterization you can give someone. I kind of always been of the opinion that Cyclops really didn't get a lot of his shine until Chris Claremont. But I feel like you can say that about a lot of. a lot of X-Men characters. Right.

Yeah. I mean, like, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, for as good as they are, I think X-Men was kind of a flop before Claremont got involved. Well, there's a reason why they basically stopped making

new X-Men stories for about 20-odd issues and just did reprints. It's because, yeah, it was selling so badly that... Yeah, why invests the time? Exactly, yeah. So, so yeah, it was like for every, you know, the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk and Thor and the Avengers and Captain America and everything else that, you know, had their stamp. X-Men was the one that just didn't work for them.

Which is funny because I remember being a kid. There was a VHS tape I had that talked about like the history of the X-Men. And I remember the panel of the people discussing they were at a table just talking about X-Men. and it was Fabia Nassizza, Scott Lobdell, Joe Kesaida, and Stan Lee. And even then as a kid, I'm like, I don't think Stan belongs at this table. Stan's involvement wasn't really that much.

So it's just weird to see like Stanley talking about Wolverine when it's like he had nothing to do with that character at all. But so anyway, like, that's where really Cyclops started to really stand out was in the Claremont run. Some really important storylines that happened there were, of course, Phoenix with Gene Gray and the relationship that he had with her. There was also finding out that his father was not dead, but his father had basically been sold into slavery by the Shiar Empire and became a space pirate instead. So that's exciting. And, you know, eventually what happened there was Cyclops met Madeline Price.

who had the misfortune of looking exactly like Gene Gray, not to foreshadow that she's a clone of Gene Gray, but Cyclops fell in love with Madeline Pryor, and they had a kid, and that was Chris Claremont stated that it was his intention of retiring the character Cyclops. Because at that point, Cyclops and Storm had a sparring contest to see who would lead the X-Men and Storm despite not having her powers anymore.

one. So this was meant to be Cyclops' ride off into the sunset. And then what happened is Gene Gray, who it was previously thought to have been dead, comes back, is revealed to actually have just been in an egg in the ocean. That's the part that people leave out is that Gene Gray was just in an egg, and that who they thought was Gene was actually just an embodiment of the cosmic entity of the Phoenix. and that the real Gene Gray was just like healing in an egg. So anyway, in a move that made Cyclops look like a total dick, finds out his ex-wife, his deceased wife is alive,

leaves his current wife and child to reunite with her and form a new X-Men team called the X Factor, which we had discussed in the episodes previously with Angel and Beast and Ice Man. So we are going to fast forward a little bit because I feel like Cyclops' development kind of happens throughout these series because that's kind of the thing about team books. With a team book, you don't get to have too much focus

on one character. It's kind of shared. And X-Men have always had a really large cast. So if I'm missing any, like, big storylines for Cyclops that have occurred between Claremont and then X-Factor and then, like, the 90s by all means please bring it up. Because I feel like some of the more interesting stuff happens with Grant Morrison and like even Josh Whedon and stuff.

No, I concur with that. Like the 90s, there was one point in the 90s where he died briefly because, or people thought he died because Apocalypse was gathering the 12, his like 12 mutants who he could siphon the powers from and then basically put them into Nate Gray. from the age of apocalypse and then use him as his new vessel and be all powerful

or something like that and Cyclops ended up sacrificing himself to save Nate Gray and taking on apocalypse as like psyche or whatever so for a little while he was all messed up and

Gene Gray and Cable had to go and rescue him and like separate him from apocalypse but I guess that's about it. Yeah, so we'll have to, of course, get into Cable. So Cable is his son that he had with Madeline Pryor. And so a normal baby, had a baby with a clone, the baby's normal.

Apocalypse infects the baby with the techno-organic virus. They end up having to send the baby into the future in order to be. cured and then Cable because it doesn't go so hot on that side you know the Technorganic virus

basically deteriorates part of Cable's body he uses his telekinesis power to basically hold himself together and yeah there is a mini series that happens where Cyclops and Gene Gray are in the future raising cable

as a kid. But yeah, it's just weird. Because the next time, like, when they meet Cable, they don't realize that Cable is their son. And now Cyclops is like, oh, the last time I saw my kid, he was 12, and now he's old enough to be my dad, you know? And he's carrying a bunch of guns and has massive shoulder pads. So that's a, you know, that's a normal thing that happens in the X-Men.

After that occurs, you know, he does get married to Gene. They have the honeymoon. The honeymoon involves some fuckery with apocalypse, which we've discussed. We go to new X-Men, which is Grant Morrison. We've talked about Grant Morrison's run and how we seem to be a big fan of the Grant Morrison run. So before this point, Cyclops has had moments of, like, weakness, moments of, like, doubt and such in the past.

but I think that really gets explored with Grant because what I like about Grant is that Grant is a big fan of taking stuff that's happening continuity and like molding it into their run. So what we have is we have Cyclops who's dealing with trauma and he's growing distant from his wife Gene Gray which leads to well and she gets busy with some Phoenix nonsense and

yep and then he and up seeking counsel with psychotherapy with Emma Frost that turns into a psychic love affair. So right there, we have seen Cyclops abandon. Well, okay, we're going to go back. Cyclops fell out of love with Jean Grey when she's reborn as Phoenix because he doesn't think that she's Jean Grey. And then, like, they reconcile. He proposes to her and then she dies.

So then he meets Madeline prior. They get married. They have a kid. Gene is found out to have been in an egg the entire time, which I guess made him correct that Phoenix was not Jean Gray. It was something else. So he leaves Madeline and his kid behind to go be with Gene. Some stuff happens with Madeline. I don't know if we'll ever do a Goblin Queen episode, but it's on the table considering how strange that story is.

And so he had, Madeline died. so he has a kid. Madeline comes back in his evil. That's the thing that occurs. We'll brush past that quickly. So he's with Gene now. His kids in the future being cable. And he ends up having an affair with Emma Frost,

who at this point has been notoriously kind of evil, save for the Generation X run before that. So always a bit of a hot button issue with certain X-Men fans. Any thoughts on the romance that he had with Emma Frost? I liked it. I thought that was the most interesting Cyclops had been in ages, but also he felt more human.

You know what I mean? I think part of the problem I have with Cyclops was that a lot of the time he didn't really have a whole lot of character. Like his character was just he was the leader of the X-Men, you know? and yeah i and you know we we've covered the the fact that he's clearly not created relationships yes you know that whole like running off for the clone and then deserting the clone and their child for no reason like that's weird um whereas this i felt like was explained well like it made sense the way they did it um i i i i

Yeah, I liked it. I thought it was interesting. I thought it was a really good use of Emma Frost as well. Yeah. You know? Because it made her seem more human as well. She wasn't just like a cold-hearted bitch. Like they actually legitimately,

yeah, she actually legitimately had feelings for Scott Summers. Exactly. It wasn't just her being a manipulative of a bitch. Like there was stuff going on with it. And like this is, this is very grown-up stuff to be reading in an X-Men comic, you know which could get pretty silly a lot of time.

It's here for Grant though. Grant did it again. That's what they do, you know. So John, what are your feelings on the Emma Frost romantic relationship? Yeah, much the same to be honest. I think it was like a good run over the years. Like the relationship felt like a strong core part of the the X-Men books, like, especially as we'll get into this in a bit, like, during the

utopia era and, like, when Scott starts becoming more sort of militant and things like that, like, he always had Emma there and, like, it was like a good sort of, like, the way they bounced off each other and the, like, she, well, he made her better initially, and then she kind of, kept his head on straight as well when he was getting a bit more extreme later on. So yeah. See, I'm of that opinion too. And I'm sure this will come when we do the Gene Gray episode soon. But I've never cared for Gene Gray as a character.

I've always thought she's really bland. And there's very much Saint Jean kind of thing where it's like, Jean Grey is the most important, most beautiful ex character that's ever existed. and she's a martyr and she should be worshipped as such. And honestly, like, Emma just seemed like a better partner for Cyclops. It seemed like a lot of Cyclops' relationship was just making sure Gene was okay. And, like, that's not the basis of a good relationship. Like, Emma would challenge him and they would disagree on things.

And ultimately, they would, you know, talk things through and come to a better conclusion. for it. But I never got that. I never got this is a healthy relationship from Gene and Scott. I feel like a lot of people just inherited that relationship from the initial 1960s run and then felt some sort of obligation to keep it going. So Gene ends up dying in the Grant Morrison run. So before before she does die, her and Scott seem to make amends that their relationship wasn't working. and that they had grown apart and that it was fine for Scott to pursue things with Emma. And then we lead into Joss Whedon's astonishing X-Men, which gives Scott a little bit more to go on in that Emma being, you know, like I said, kind of a better partner. She helped Scott realize that it was not head trauma that was keeping him from controlling his powers, but a mental block that he had imposed on himself. So we get Josh We get Scott for the first time Like being able to use his eye beams

Or having to wear the glasses or anything So that's, you know That's that I'm trying to speed through this because I know there's a lot Because that's the thing about like With Iceman and Beast and Angel Those are characters that come and go In and out of Team Books

Cyclops is like the most consistently used Character in Xbox. So I'm trying to like speed run a bunch of stuff. So if any point, if you want to talk about, you know, something like a storyline that comes up, by all means, please jump in. Because like we got Civil War where Scott and the X-Men stood against the, you know, they decided not to really get involved with Civil War because like, you know, the government's been fucking them around already. And at that point, the mutant population had been decimated. So, you know, only like 2% of mutants saw their powers. And they're like, we don't want to get involved in this because, A, the government's always been after us.

And B, there's not that many of us left. Messiah complex. Scott plays a really big part in that because of the birth of the mutant child and organizing and orchestrating the teams to figure out a wise bishop trying to kill this baby. And like, we got to protect hope and find her. There's also the point where he started getting more hardcore as well because he'd like sanction Wolverine to bring back X-Force. Yeah. And basically give him carte blanche to do whatever they need to do to like protect hope. Yeah, they became the Blackhonts team.

That's a good point. You can start to see like him become a more. And that was a really unstable team too. like that X, that X-Force book was great. It was the art was black, black ink on black fucking paper. It was hardcore. And like,

it's like, oh, should we put Archangel on this team considering he like, tends to like freak out when it comes to killing people? Well, I mean, we need people to kill.

So put our Angel in there. We'll have him cutting off heads in no time. But yeah, I remember, I think that was one of the disagreements that Emma had with Scott was when she found out that he had sanctioned X-Forces there. their Black Ops team.

What else did we got? Manifest Destiny, which I think you were talking about, John, with like the Utopia stuff as well. Mm-hmm. Well, they went off to San Francisco and basically raised up Asteroid M and turned it into their own sort of mutant sanctuary, like years before Crocoa was the thing. I think that's a thing.

I think a lot of X-Men characters, whenever somebody suggests something like that, everybody just takes a moment to pause because I always just think of Genosha like, hey, maybe us half on our own place doesn't ever end well. Utopia seemed like it was doing okay though, if I remember correctly.

Really? I always felt like Utopia, I was like this is not, it's not going to last. No, it wasn't going to last, but at least it didn't seem as profoundly flawed as some of the other ones did. Well, Genosia was flawed on purpose, though. Yeah.

that was kind of the point of it. Like, it was a treacherous, sticky situation to begin with. Whereas the X-Men just being like, this is our land now. You have to recognize our sovereignty or whatever. You're like, can they do that? Yeah, it's with Utopia, though.

They were like, accepted by the mayor of San Francisco, though. So, I mean, they did have some, like, government. Do you think part of that's just humans going, just whatever? If you all stay over there, there are, you know, because you know what humans are like. They love segregate and stuff. Like, yes, that's perfect.

All the mutants at one place, you work away. Just don't come over to us. You stay in your line, you know, and we'll be fine. So we got, so during the, there's the utopia and dark rain storyline where Scott and Emma once again kind of clash when he finds out that Emma is part of Norman Osborne's cabal, which was the evil version of the Illuminati. Then, you know, she seemingly is kind of just there to keep an eye on it, though, because Emma is not terribly evil.

She's just complicated. But also, like, that's a good idea. Yeah, no, it was. It was a great idea for them. Dark X-Men, I remember when they announced that book and I saw that team line up, and I was like, oh, that's destined to fail. And it was like, yep, it was. That was her whole point.

In canon, like, they were not supposed to succeed. Shoot, we also have the schism. which we have the real one there is that's when Cyclops and Wolverines start to really break apart which is always really interesting I I understand why they like to put Cyclops and Wolverine on opposite ends of the spectrum because like you know they are opposites of one another but I almost feel like the more that Cyclops was becoming militant the more like I imagine I always thought Wolverine would have been like, hell yeah. Because that was Wolverine's whole deal.

Right. Doing the stuff that nobody wants to do. And then you got Scott Summers there going, yeah, no, he's right. We got to do the stuff nobody wants to do. That's what I didn't understand about the schism. I didn't really fully read that whole thing. But like, I didn't quite get what this schism between Wolverine and Cyclops would be. Because like you said, it seems like if Cyclops is becoming more like militant and like willing to do that kind of stuff,

exactly like you said Wolverine knows that that's what it takes you know like that's you gotta do what you gotta do like he knows this shit that's been his thing unless the schism comes from

Wolverine going dude that's my gimmick gimmick infringement I'm going to sue you otherwise like I don't see why they wouldn't agree with each other well I think I think it was more a case of

like Wolverine thinking Cyclops was better than becoming more like him like he was Xavier's first student he should be following you know Professor X's path and trying to bring everyone together like man and mutant alike but instead then he's he's like basically I think that the core disagreement from for the schism was like Cyclops basically use some kids to kill people to protect utopia when it was under attack.

Yeah. He put up the young X-Men out there to help. Yeah. Well, what fucking age with the X-Men whenever Xavier find them?

They're teenagers. Because Ice-Man, there was a, I think, like, well into the run, Ice-man turned 18. But they weren't

killing people back in the game. No, no, they weren't killing people. We don't know. Yeah. Wolverine had an issue with Cyclops-making

children soldiers. But in that same breath on X-Force, Wolverine's team consisted of X-23 who yes is a clone but is a teenage girl and Elixir who also was a teenage boy Yep

so that's a little you know that's a little fucked no I get it I get it but I also kind of saw it as like that was kind of the beginning of Wolverine kind of they're changing Wolverine's characterization because I kind of felt like it especially came out in the Wolverine and the X-Men comic that Jason Aaron did

of like Wolverines now the headmaster of the school for gifted youngsters and it's like that seems like a weird decision yeah I thought that would be and another thing about like Wolverine thinking that Cyclops should be better than that like this is after astonishing X-Men when they found out that the danger room the training thing they've been using for years and years and years was a sentient robot that Xavier was keeping held captive. So like at that point, like Cyclops has already been exposed to some of the hypocrisies of Charles Xavier's, you know, dream of a better future. So I don't, I don't necessarily fault Cyclops for, you know, kind of going against some of that stuff.

But yeah, no, Cyclops adopted the militant personality because of that whole, the decimation of the mutant population by 98%. You know, they, there's less of them now. So, like, we got to do what we can to shore up. Yeah. I mean, that, again, if you're the kind of, like, the de facto leader of the X-Men, and then you go through all that shit, like, you can see why it would make them a little bit more hard-nosed, you know. Yeah. It is kind of ironic, though, him becoming more like Magneto than Professor Rex.

That is true. I mean, yeah. It is, part of it is because, like, Xavier himself. is like you said he was doing some weird shit and so you know cyclops just kind of naturally turned away from that but what i feel like that should have done was explain more by the magnito Xavier split you know you mean because you could if cyclops like Xavier's like most loyal student is saying what kind of a bastard he really is and turning away from him you can see why Magneto and Xavier would have a longstanding rivalry for so long, you know.

But I don't think they really talked with that. They didn't really too, too much to talk about, like, the core relationship between Xavier and Magneto is, I think, still very there for the taking. I feel like they've not done a lot of justice to do it, to explore that, oddly enough, considering they were like two of the first characters in the X-Men ever and their whole disintegration of their relationship being a core aspect of their background. Yeah.

Because they made it like really blazee like oh, I fight for good. Did I fight for evil? You know, and like, is that really like the only fucking difference between these two guys? You know what you mean? Yeah, I really think that the, like what they did with Wolverine was A, because he and

Cyclops are always seen as rivals anyway because Wolverine's totally not inappropriate. lusting over a married man's wife in front of him all the fucking time. So, so, yeah, they, they, the friction was already there and they just added that other component like, well, now they're philosophically, you know, opposed because Wolverine's like, we don't use child soldiers. And psychologists is like, motherfucker, there's 200 of us.

Who are we going to use then? Yeah. So we'll, we'll jump from that. The schism kind of ended up leading us into. a series of events that happened where it was just all about putting the X-Men against people. So Avengers versus X-Men, where the Phoenix is returning to Earth, and it apparently seems like it's coming to use hope as a host. And the Avengers and the heroes of the world have a problem with that. And Cyclops and the mutants are like, this is a mutant problem.

We'll handle it like we've always handled it. And really, really, that was like the first thing. time, I think they ever really addressed how the X-Men and the rest of the Marvel hero community had been so separated. I think there's a line that Cyclops said to Captain America, like, you've always seen us as the ugly stepchildren. Like, we'll handle our shit. We can't trust you to be there for us because you've never been there for us.

So, like, we'll take care of this. We'll take care of hope. Now, if I'm not mistaken, doesn't, at one point, isn't Wolverine, like, wasn't he like going to kill hope to keep that from happening? Ooh, I don't remember. I don't remember it either. It might be totally wrong on that one.

Because like it's like you said, there's some aspects of like the Wolverine characterization where he had such a problem with Cyclops doing like going more militant than he would still do weird shit. So that led to the Phoenix arriving to take hope. But instead take Cyclops. and four other X-Men as hosts. So it becomes Cyclops, Colossus, Magic, Emma Frost,

and Namor the Submariner, the first mutant. It makes them hosts for the Phoenix. And that culminated with Cyclops killing Xavier. The dream is dead. So real quick, what were your thoughts on the Phoenix? I've seen it referred to as the Phoenix, Force 5 because they came out dressed like kind of anime characters after the Phoenix took their bodies.

But yeah, what were your opinions on the Phoenix Force stuff that happened with Avengers versus X-Men and the move to have Cyclops kill Xavier? I didn't really read a lot of this because I kind of fell out with the X-Men over this whole period. but I didn't like the idea of the Avengers versus X-Men. Like you said earlier, it seems like a lot of like X-Men versus whoever.

Like that just seemed to be the gimmick they were doing. I'm like, this is shitty writing. Like, it's just lazy. And then their constant need to bring back the Phoenix. Like, they just can't let that shit die. It's like, nope, here it comes again. And I get it. It's a Phoenix. It never dies. It always comes back.

I get it. But also, I'll just, we've, on it a million times. What else can we do? You're getting silly. I didn't like the idea of the Phoenix 5. I'm like, why? What? What were we doing? What? Why? I just, I didn't like any, but what I

heard about this book, I didn't like the sign of any of it. But I haven't read it, so I don't know if it is good. But it didn't sound good to me. I mean, I quite enjoyed it, to be honest. Like, it did feel like this was the peak period where

it seemed like almost all, major Marvel events was the heroes against the heroes um yes this is around civil war two right yeah i think that came after this but the yeah like the it set up some good things as well

like um namel basically flooded wakonda and started off a feud with black panther which uh jonathan hickman picked up in his adventures run to yeah that was great stuff. I think I said when we talked about it previously, that's like the first and only time that I've ever cared about Namor as a character. But yeah, this was interesting for Cyclops as well because, you know, he's fighting for mutant kind and doing all these things to kind of protect mutankind, which maybe he wouldn't have done years and years ago. and then like the way it culminates as well where all the other like phoenix five get the

phoenix knocked out of them somehow and all the power ends up coming into cyclops so he's the all powerful one but he can't control all that power and so he's faced with uh professor x like trying to talk him down um and then he kills his mentor and that's like uh the sort of come to Jesus moment where he finally realizes that like oh shit uh maybe i'm i am i am going too far here murder is usually a good sign that you've gone too far and it led to some fun stuff as well where afterwards he's like arrested and then busted out of jail by um like magneto and uh i think magic and emma frost so that's the that's the the post where Wolverine and the X-Men are part of it where they have opposing schools at that point.

Yeah. So Cyclops starts the Charles Xavier school and Wolverine starts the Gene Gray school, both to commemorate fallen people that they loved. That's got to be a real kick in the teeth for Cyclops again. It's like, Wolverine's doing the Gene Gray one, you motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah, I'm fucking my ex-wife. Thanks.

Leave her alone. because that was actually part of the schism thing. There was a, he and Wolverine were having a fight, like a fight fight. And Cyclops, like, just looks at Wolverine and just says, you know, she was always scared of you. Just to rile them up. See, I kind of like that aspect of Cyclops. Like, when he was, like, getting a little more militant, like, he got balzy. Like, oh, here's Wolverine.

The guy with the healing factor pops the knives out of his hands. Let me rile him up a little bit. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, we. We get Cyclops in this sort of revolutionary role where, you know, very famously, Quentin Choir had the T-shirt said Magneto was right. Cyclops was right. It was starting to go around.

This is the Bendis run of that. And I wasn't reading this because I just have a problem with Brian Michael Bendis. It's well documented at this point. So that leads us to, I mean, there's secret wars, but, you know, we don't need that. Secret Wars to me is so an interesting. unless you guys want to talk about Secret Wars. Nope. Not really.

Okay. So then we have the inhumans storyline where the inhumans start to release the Tarragon mists to create more inhumans. Well, not to create more in humans, but to activate the inhuman gene in them. So I guess as quick as possible to touch on the inhumans. The inhumans are characters that were like primitive humans. that were experimented on by the Cree to develop weird powers. And in this inhuman storyline, they released, like, the crystals that gave the inhumans their powers, they released it in a cloud form to activate the dormant inhuman

gene that were in some humans on Earth. And, like, that's how we have Miss Marvel, for example, which the reveal that she's a mutant now makes even less sense because the Terrigan missed cloud thing kills mutants because like that was like the how they showed Cyclops dying

because he died is he was impacted by the Tarragon missed cloud and it killed him because that's what it did to mutants. So at that point we get the time displaced X-Men which we've talked about before with the other episodes where we get a young Cyclops coming in and

And this is the Cyclops that's the, he's like 16 years old. He's the leader of this X-Men team. And he comes to the future and he finds out, A, he's dead. B, he killed Xavier. And C, he's like the most hated mutant on the earth. Bit of a bit of a jump for him. Like Beast shows up and he's like, oh, I have blue fur. And Angel shows up and he's like, oh, I think I'm actually an angel now.

and Iceman shows up and he's like, oh, I guess I'm gay. I guess that surprise throwing at me. So Cyclops shows up and I think he has a rougher he has a rougher time for it. Because at one point Wolverine straight up pops his claws in front of him and is like, I could kill him right now and stop all this shit from happening. So Wolverine, who doesn't want to have child soldiers,

Strap threatens a 16 year old boy to kill him for stuff he hasn't done yet. see it doesn't make any sense no it's it's a thing so we get some young cyclops adventures ultimately he's like he kind of comes obsessed with this idea of not becoming the person that he ends he ended up being he ends up ending his relationship like he and jean gray

split up in their as their teenage selves he starts dating x23 which i imagine is fucking weird for everybody there and be like oh yeah you guys hate each and like, oh, the young version of Cyclops is dating the clone of you. That's weird. He goes into space, and there was a great 12-issue run of Cyclops in Space with his dad. So I thought that, I actually did read that. I thought it was a fun storyline of, you know, because he lost his dad when he was a kid,

so he gets to spend time with his dad as a space pirate. And eventually he gets sent back through time, and regular Cyclops gets rest of resurrected by cable, but a young version of cable, because time travel. And when he gets resurrected, it's during the time that X-Man, who is another clone of him, that's like X-Man is created from the DNA of Cyclops and Gene Gray by Mr. Sinister. And it's in an alternate timeline, if I'm not mistaken, John? I believe so. I think it was the other dimension?

was that the age of apocalypse No I don't think I don't think I don't think I don't think X-Man was age of apocalypse Oh Nate Gray was age of apocalypse okay Yeah But they called him X-Man so I don't know if it's the same character Yeah I'm pretty sure as the same character yeah

Yeah so like he I need to read that X-Man run that they did in the 90s Because it's always a character I've been interested in Because of just how strange an idea that was So that you know, X-Man has basically rewritten reality and removed the X-Men from it, but Cyclops wasn't included in that, so like

the mutant population is even less than normal, and that's a whole fucked up series, and it ends with him getting reunited with Gene Gray, who had also been resurrected, and leads right into Krokoa, where we currently are. So, anything we need to

touch on from that period of time? I don't know. I'm really confused about that whole Nick, Gray, like alternate universe stuff. I don't quite know what went on there. Well, so Nate Gray came from the age of apocalypse. He got abandoned in the current timeline

though. Yes. But like there is a Nate Gray series that takes place in the 616. Maybe we should save this for a Nate Gray episode. Yeah, we'll do a Nate Gray episode. I actually, like I said, I really do kind of enjoy this character. Yes, I like them. Space hippie kind of thing.

Yeah. Because they did this thing in the 90s. Sorry, we will say this for the Nate Gray episode, but the thing in the 90s were like, he was kind of like a reluctant Messiah, you know? Yes. Because he was so powerful. Everybody was like, oh, look at it, he can do whatever he wants. And he just didn't really want to do any of that, which I really thought was a good angle, you know.

It is a good angle. Anyway. So, John, anything you want to touch on from that period of time where we head into Krikowa? Not really. Like, I wasn't a big fan of the X-Men books around this time. Yeah. Yeah.

The whole storyline with Nate Gray like transforming the world and stuff. Yeah, it didn't work for me. That was like the third time since the 90s they did an alternate timeline storyline though too. Because I remember there was like an alternate

I can't remember what caused it, but there was like this alternate reality where Cyclops' name was Basilisk. and he had a relationship with frenzy. But his main goal was he was held hostage and used as a a death sentence variety. Like mutants would get strapped down to a chair in front of him

and his visor would open involuntarily and just kill the person. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and Gambit was a sniper who would use his kinetic abilities to charge the bullets before he fired them. I always thought that was interesting. That was the age of X,

wasn't that? No, I don't think it was age of X. Oh, I don't think it was. I think age of X was the Nate Gray stuff. Okay. I don't think this was the same thing. Um, you know, regardless, uh, we'll hop into Krakawa. So Krakowah, every X-Men has been resurrected. Everything's great. We got an island that's ours. We're our own sovereign nation. Xavier's here. He's doing great. He's got a big orb on his head. That's cerebro. Um, it's still one of the weirdest character designs I've ever seen in my entire life. Just. Xavier walking around in like a black onesie with a giant metal orb on his head.

What a look. Um, but anyway, Cyclops's role originally, he's on the quiet council, which is sort of the governing body. He ends up stepping down so he could focus as being team leader for the X-Men. Um, the big story arc that he has there was that he was killed in public. and at that point the general population did not know that mutants had figured out resurrection. So he died in public, so they just straight up acted like Cyclops died. And when they resurrected him, they created a new persona for him. And he was crap.

He was Captain Crocoa for a period of time. It was very short-lived. And yeah, that's all. That's really all that he did because I feel like that X-Men book was more about sync than anybody else. How did he die? He got like, oh, he got hit by a car. That killed Cyclops, but it didn't kill Darby Allen. He got by a bus.

That's a difference. Bus is notoriously weaker than cars. I don't know if that's how the hierarchy of vehicles work. John, do you know how he dies? I can't remember. Because you would think it's going to be something pretty big. You know what you mean? well yeah yeah he's not gonna go out like a chump surely right like it would be really stupid if he just like tripped over something yep so where we are now is the last time i was i kind of dropped off the x-men books in the last thing that i was at was cyclops being held by orcus and is like eyes are stitched shut and there's like a bomb planted to him if they tried to move him it would blow up and kill him how did they stitch his eye shut

using Ruby Courts thread by the looks of it. But like, if they take his glasses off, try to stitch them shut, they would have to be open at some point. I don't, you know what I mean? Doesn't that seem like a really stupid, like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be the, who wants to stitch Cyclops's eyes shut? Like, I ain't going anywhere near those fucking eyes. You kidding me?

You'll kill me. No fucking way. Plus, like you said, to like we don't have the right thread. We got to go out and we got to go to our Ruby Quartz guy and see he can turn this sunglasses of shit into thread. But anyway,

that's our comics history on Cyclops. Do you have any thoughts before I go into the various accolades that he has as well as just some general fun facts? Like 2008 King of the Ring? Yeah. I feel like we've done a pretty good job of talking about Cyclops. I mean, like you said, there's a lot of years to go on.

Like, he's the most consistently used X-Men character. Yeah. But I also think that, like, he wasn't, to my point, he wasn't always that interesting for a lot of it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I said, it's that issue with the whole team book thing. You can only focus on some characters for so long.

And they needed a de facto leader character. Throw them in. Yeah. But he did find. fine, you know, he was crying. I think we covered a lot of the points pretty, pretty accurately. Yeah, I'd say at least compared to some of the other characters we've talked about in this X-Men run, like, he's actually had some character progression as well.

Yeah. Starting off as sort of a dweeb and kind of the teacher's pet and, yeah, really awkward and, like, growing into a leader. and then becoming, you know, a bit more extreme when tragedy strikes and then sort of finding his way back again. So, yeah, he's done a lot. Becoming Captain Crocoa. Of course, the most important part of his history. One of the biggest, like... Well, then somebody stole the Captain Crocoa costume and posed as Captain Crocoa in the Uncanny Avengers miniseries.

and it was revealed to be the evil Steve Rogers. Of course. So anyway, this is going to ignore all that shit. Yeah. So we'll hit some fun facts about Cyclops. So Cyclops has two brothers,

maybe three. The first brother is Havoc. And then Dylan's favorite character, Vulcan. Havoc is the brother that was with him when they jumped out of the airplane, and Havoc would later on be the leader of X-Factor, was a member of the X-Men with his brother. Last time I saw him, he was a zombie kind of guy that was working with Madeline Pryor

in Dark X-Men, and now he's going to be in the X-Factor comic that's being led by Angel. His other brother Vulcan, who, if I'm not mistaken, his mom was pregnant with Vulcan when they were abducted. by the Shiar. So they never met his brother. That's correct. And he was a villain and then they resurrected him and he was in like two comics and Hickman's stuff. And like they focused on like his weird family dynamic because he doesn't know his

brothers but lives with him. I think he was artificially aged by the Shiaar as well. Yeah, why not? Yeah. I don't remember how he got back to Earth though. that's the weird thing. The other brother that may or may not be is Adam Extreme, who they had a, I don't, this book series,

they had this comic series called X-Men Legends that were reuniting like creative teams for certain periods of time to like, hey, tell a story that you never got to tell. And this one particular creative team apparently had always planned that Adam Extreme, who is the most 90s character one can be, is actually a Summers brother. And they find out because his power of making people's blood boil inside of their veins doesn't affect cyclops or havoc. What a useful power to have.

Yeah, right? And he also has the power to wear a baseball cap backwards and throw knives like a cool guy. Other things. Of course, Mr. Sinister being obsessed with Scott Summer's bloodline, that's well established. He has so many fucking clone children or children from alternate futures, because he's, like you have cable you have Nate Gray you have Rachel Summers the Peter David introduced Ruby Summers in the X Factor comic where it's apparent that she's like a daughter he had with Emma Frost because she has the ability to turn her body into Ruby let's see he's been in a couple of

the movies all of the cartoons his original name was Slim for about two issues before they changed it to Scott and Slim became a nickname they would use. Good old Slim Summers. And the differences between the Madeline Pryor character. So I talked about this with John before we started recording, but Chris Claremont created Madeline Pryor for Scott to retire with. And Luis Simmons, who was part of the creative team for X Factor, the book that Cyclops unretired and led, stated that,

that she was just always a placeholder for Gene Gray in his life, which I don't know. That sounds terrible. I married this woman that looks like my ex-wife because I can't be with my ex-wife. So she'll have to do. So here's some other interesting things about Scott Summers. Like Iceman, there is a series of lists that he was a part of. So would you like to hear where Scott Summers ranks?

15th. I am ranks in terms of what though? A series of lists. Okay. In 2011, in 2011, comic book resources voted Cyclops as number nine in the top Marvel characters. And I don't know if it was just that particular year or just in general. In 2006, IGN ranked Cyclops as first in their top 25. 5X-Men list. That's bold.

I like them, but first, interesting. 2008, Wizard Magazine ranked Cyclops 106 in their 200 greatest comic book characters of all time list. Pretty far down. Right, but I mean, it is greatest comic book characters of all times,

so it seems like they're taking like almost 100 years of history and multiple publishers into effect as well. Yeah, at least he made the list. Maybe he made the list. 2011, IGN ranked Cyclops 39 in their top 100 comic book characters.

That's pretty good. 2014 Entertainment Weekly ranked Cyclops the second in there. Let's rank every X-Men ever list. Second? Second. Also in 2014, BuzzFeed ranked Cyclops first in their

95 X-Men members ranked from worst to best. Now, I don't know if he's first as in the worst or first as in the best. It did not clarify on that. I wouldn't listen to Buzzfeed anyway. What do they know? What do they know? And 2019,

Comicbook.com ranked Cyclops 25 in their 50 most important superheroes ever list. Wow. Right in the middle. 2021, CBR ranked Cyclops fourth in their 10 bravest mutants in Marvel Comics list. In 2022, the AV Club ranked Cyclops 72 in their

top 100 best Marvel characters list. And the most recent one in 2022, Newsorama ranked Cyclops 3rd and their best X-Men members of all time list. So kind of high ranking, considering his powers are basically just the ibeams. What's interesting about the ibeams is I have seen so many variations on how strong they are to a point that it doesn't make a lot of sense. So the same ability, like there's a very kind of famous moment in one of the comics where

there's a sentinel approaching and Cyclops is kind of fed up with it. so he just takes the visor off entirely and just hits the thing full blast and it like destroys the sentinel and incinerates a good portion of like the yard. So it's like very powerful. But it also has the ability to bounce off of objects. And I don't know how you control that. Because I've seen like the way the visor works is the visor will lift or like close. So he can he can like lift it partially if he wants a game more fine controlled beam.

But I don't know how you can control whether or not this is hard enough to punch through a steel wall or not hard enough that it won't bounce off a bunch of different surfaces to do cool trick shots. Right. See, this is why you're not Cyclops. He does understand. He knows exactly how to do it. You know? Didn't they say that, okay, you can cut this, but I have this isn't correct. I was pretty sure that I read this somewhere.

but like they're like how does cyclops generate his laser powers? Yeah. And they're like, it just comes from a different dimension. Yes. I have seen that. I've seen that. I've seen solar power. I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say solar power.

Yeah, I've seen solar power and I've seen metabolizes sunlight and other ambient energy similar to how his brother metabolizes cosmic radiation. Right. And then it says, this is the 1983 official handbook of the Marvel universe. Cyclops' eyes contain interdimensional apertures, releasing powerful energies from another dimension into his own via the beams. Via the beams. So the flash can vibrate his eyes fast enough that he can see other wavelengths of light, whereas Cyclops' eyeballs seem to have little portals in them that bring. other dimensional energy out.

That's what doesn't make any sense. Because, like, I get the, the solar energy business because, like, it does relate to havoc who is, like, able to absorb, like, cosmic energy, right? Or something. I think that's what it is. So, like, that makes sense to,

to, you know, keep that continuity together with the brothers. But then they just be like, no, these beams come from a different dimension. Like, pull up. This is 83, so this is well in the Claremont run too, where that example was given. That was a choice. But like, that doesn't even like, that's not even close to like how anything works. What the fuck?

I don't know, man. That's a weird one. I'm sure there's one point where he had his eye, like, plucked out. So, like, if that's the case, like, if it's like just a whole. to another dimension. Like, how are you plucking that out? Yeah. No, no, the other dimension is inside of the eye.

It's in his eye. The eyeball's not punctured. And they just straight up pull his eyeball out. And he's got like the most unpleasant jawbreaker in the world. Then like, you're fine. So, okay. I'm very confused. It seems like this wasn't well thought out.

And they just like ignore it. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Yeah, it seems pretty stupid. So the other thing about it is, I learned this. I always knew that he, because of the X-Men cartoon,

when Cyclops was using the eye beams, he would, like, tap a button on the side of the visor. Yeah. Turns out he also has buttons in the gloves of his costume. What?

Why? Didn't realize that. Well, so he can fire him off just by squeezing his hand. So have you ever noticed that, like, a lot of the time when he's depicted,

like, shooting the eye beams, he's got, like, a fist clenched. Okay. So, like, the fist clinch

has, like, whatever wires or whatever running up into the visor that opens it. So why does he touch it then? I don't, Dylan. Why do you touch it? I don't. I don't know. I've never met him.

I've never touched Cyclops. Put that on the record. On the record. It's in writing audio, audibly. So, so yeah. Those are just kind of a little factoids. We know that he's been in the movies. We've talked about the X-Men movies.

So he was played by James Marsden. He was played by an actor in the X-Men Origins Wolverine. He was played by the kid who was in Ready Player 1 in the more recent X-Men movies. He was in the X-Men cartoon. He was in X-Men 97. There was a short-lived cartoon on Nickelodeon before the Disney purchase went through called Wolverine and the X-Men. And he was a member of that group. It wasn't the leader, though.

Wolverine was the leader of that team, which I, that's another one of those, like, weird. sanitizing of Wolverine that they were doing at the time where it was like Xavier was dying and he was like Wolverine I need you to lead the X-Men even though you're a cold-blooded killer with amnesia that's that seems like a terrible idea but okay um what else was there there was an oh there was X-Men evolution which was a cartoon that featured some of the X-Men as teenagers that attended a regular high school while still being X-Men and Cyclops was a was a teenager on that show, yet Storm and Wolverine were not. That's worth, look. Have you ever heard of X-Men Evolution, guys? Yes. Yes. I don't think I've watched it, though.

That could potentially be a watch-along worthy thing, because they made some fucking choices on that cartoon. It's very popular amongst a certain subset of fans, but I remember watching it and just being like, so Storm's a teacher and Wolverine's a teacher, but Cyclops and Gene Gray and Nightcrow. and such are students, which makes the whole, like, if you know the,

the Wolverine Gene Gray thing, that's even creepier. Yeah. Yeah, but he won't use kids as soldiers, though. So that's good. Fuck that kid. He's trying to. So anyway, so yeah,

he's always had a very big role in the other aspects of it. I mean, he was in Marvel versus Capcom, the Marvel Ultimate Alliance video, games, he's a playable character. So yeah. Cyclops has always been around. He's always getting used.

Even if he doesn't become a focus of like a particular storyline, the potential is there for him to be one. And because of that stuff like, you know, his questionable relationship things that he does and taking on the more militant approach, I do feel like he's a more complex character than a Captain America, to be frank. Yeah. I mean, Captain America is, you know, always. does the right thing at the right time kind of guy.

And you got Cyclops who's, you know, authorizing child soldiers and, uh, fucking around on his wife. Shooting his mentor or whatever. Did he shoot the mentor? Did he break his neck? I can't ever know. He killed him somewhat. John, how did Cyclops kill him?

I think he just blasted him with the, uh, the Phoenix force. I got hit by a car. Okay. Yeah. Do you think that was awkward whenever Xavier came back? Well, so, all right, here's the thing. And this might be an aside. We might do one day just do a Kerkowa episode because we, there are a lot of like, I love Hickman.

I think Hickman's phenomenal. I don't think they tied Krokoa into the rest of the comics very well. Because I think there's some really hand wavy stuff that happened that all has to do with Moira. So we might edit this out. But so Moira is revealed as a mutant who she, every time she dies, she is born again and resets the timeline, essentially. So it seems like Xavier never died with Utopia and the Crocoa. Because she goes to, she goes to Xavier and Magneto and is like, hey, this is like, I've lived and died this many times. go ahead and read my mind and you'll see.

And every time that like we try to do something, it, it goes very poorly. So like this is the best case scenario and this is what you should be doing. So like that's that's the house of X powers of X series in a nutshell, right John? I'm not sure. Oops. Yeah. So it's like like I said, it's just very.

It doesn't seem to address this. So I don't know if any of those things that we just talked about were continuity. or not. Well, the thing is, like, Professor X seems to have died, like, a few times. Yes. I don't know how you can scrub that from continuity, because that was, like, major...

There's always major stuff. Yeah. Like, the consequences, the fallout from that is, like, we've talked about, is it, like, a big part of Cyclops' story, like him going off the rails and stuff. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know how...

all fits together. Yeah, it seems some like real X-Men bullshit right there, doesn't it? It certainly does. So that kind of leads to the next thing. So obviously, I don't know if we're good with tying. We're going to put a bow on Cyclops. It's really hard to put a definitive bow on him like we could the others because Beast and Angel and Iceman don't get a ton of development in like the level of their involvement

in the series fluctuates. You can't really put a bow on Cyclops because already we know he's going to be leading the next team after the current Krakawa stuff wraps up. And so far what we're seeing is there's been a lot of editorial mandating on that. So that's going to, like, if we do decide to do a Krikawa episode,

that's going to be fucking wild to talk about all of the, all of the editorial fucking around with it, like very similar to the Clone Saga. Yeah, that'll take like three episodes. Yeah, might be. But, um, so we're going to,

put a bow on Cyclops, then obviously our very next episode we're going to be doing on this in maybe a few episodes, maybe a month or two or so from now. We'll touch on Gene Gray. And after that, I mean, does it make sense to do Xavier and Magneto? I think at some point we'll probably have to do them, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're the other prominent characters that were in X-Men number one. Mm-hmm.

I do kind of like this, though. I kind of like after we do that, should we like, you know, just build from there. Like, we do havoc in Polaris because they join the X-Men later on. And then we'll do like the Claremont X-Men teams. Are we going to talk on every X-Men? Yes. Okay. Even Al-Guapo?

Yeah, we'll talk about Al-Guapo. We'll talk about what was his name? The guy whose power was he was blue. Jazz? Jazz. We'll talk about jazz. I think his name was jazz. have we officially become an hour and a half podcast now yeah can we yeah I think we should

do something else branch out a little bit more because we talk about the X men a lot yeah exactly we're looking at our past episodes we did the X-men movie we did the watch along with Generation X uh yeah so Generation X watch along then we did Ben Ryan then X-Men movies, then overrated characters, which X-Men got involved in on that one. I'm sure we talked, yeah, we did. We talked about X-Men in the initial talk about whatever we want. I think we talked about it in the last talk whatever we want. We talk about X-Men a lot. Well, there's a lot of them.

There is. You know, make sense. But next episode, we'll talk about something completely different. Yes. I don't know if we know what that is yet. We will get. Sykes force. Yeah. There we go. We'll still talk about X-Men, but though they don't know it.

They don't know. They'll check the episode on it. There you go. But don't put this video in so that they hear me saying that. I'll have you guys talk about the Flash family somewhere. Let's go back to the talk about X-Men. All right, everybody. Well, I've been Corey and this is John and Dylan.

We're going to call it. We'll call it an episode on that one. Thanks for joining us as we break down Cyclops. You know, leave comments, like, follow us on YouTube and Spotify. Let us know what you think about Cyclops, whether or not you agree with John and I that there's a lot more to him than just standard boring leader guy. Or if you agree with Dylan, then he's just a standard boring leader guy. A big stupid idiot.

Put it in the comments. I will say also, we didn't touch on this real quick. But I do remember there was a storyline where Siloq was trying to see. seduce him in the 90s. And I don't know what it is about Scott Summers and telepaths, but they are all about him. He can read his mind and they're like, he's up to something. Oh, they know all his dirty thoughts.

Oh, he's a freak. Yeah, they're like, he knows how to party. Yeah. They know how to please a woman. Party, sorry. On that note, goodbye, everybody. Goodbye. Yeah.