The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 23: The Smark Avengers Talk Deadpool, Wolverine, and Doctor Doom

Episode Date: August 3, 2024

SPOILERS AHEAD, sailors! Aaargh! Two of the Smark Avengers saw Deadpool & Wolverine last week plus Robert Downey Jr. once more broke San Diego Comic Con with the reveal that he's set to play Doctor Doom. With two colossal announcements like this, surely the Smark Avengers have to record an episode of the show immediately and push the next scheduled shows back a week each, right? Anyway, stay tuned for discussion on the Deadpool & Wolverine movie, if the movie has a rewatch value, the future of Kang in the MCU, and what Marvel is REALLY trying to tell us by casting RDJ as Doom!

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Yeah. Hi, everybody. Welcome to Smart Avengers. That's the beginning, is it? I'm cutting the bit short, Dylan. I'm cutting the bit short. All right. I have more, but we'll just cut it.

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It is a state of mind When our next corrupt president gets elected We're going to start just taking continents You're now the 51st state I guarantee you that if Trump gets elected He doesn't know the Northern Ireland exists Yeah he just He just thinks it's all one place.

Yeah, I 100%. I guarantee you he doesn't know that this place exists. He will declare war on your country because of all of the gold that the leprechauns have, that we could use that goal to kickstart our economy again. Yeah, but kickstart of your economy, you mean for him to spend it on golf courses in Scotland? Well, and golf carts in Scotland. He's got to get around somewhere. He's got to get around there somehow.

He's not walking in his body. He ain't moving very fast. He's a piece of shit. Anyway. Anyway, we love that topic. Yeah. So, welcome to Spark Avengers. My name's Corey with me are Dylan and John.

We're no minus one situation. We're plus zero minus zero, this one. This is the full assortment. We are the Baker's dozen of your heart. So this is going to be kind of a, strange one to listen to because we are recording this the same day that you're listening to it, which over the last several months, we've made many, many jokes about it about how we are always recording stuff in advance. So, you know, there's always an element of, quote, time travel involved

where we'll talk about something present day, but in reality for you as a listener, it was a couple of weeks ago. So that is not the case here because we wanted to be timely and we wanted to be relevant for once. And the reason we're doing that is because a little movie called Deadpool and Wolverine or Deadpool v. Wolverine dawn of justice came out. And there was some big news coming out of San Diego Comic-Con about the future of the MCU, which ties back into the very first episode of volume three of the Smart Avengers, where we did talk about the MCU and the aspects of in-game and what have you. So as the only person on the team who has not seen Deadpool v. Wolverine, Dawn of Justice,

I will yield my time to John and Dylan to discuss your feelings on this movie. Are you not a big fan of Wolverine? It's not so much of Wolverine. No, no, no, it's not so much that. It's just I have stated many, many times. I have not watched a superhero movie since like Guardians of the Galaxy one. So it's been a hot minute for me. Have you not seen Deadpool 2?

Oh, you're right. So yes, I have seen I have seen the first in second Deadpool movies. Yes. Those were exceptions, I suppose. Corey, have you seen the solo Wolverine films? I have seen I have seen the Wolverine, which is the one in Japan.

Yes. I have not seen the others, though. I didn't see Origins, and I didn't see Logan. Logan was really good. Origins was the first one, right? Yeah. We talked about these when we did the X-Men movie episode. Oh.

And how the Wolverine was like a good movie, but we couldn't remember anything about it. Like, that was the takeaway from that one. It was in Japan, and it involved the Silver Samurai. And aside from that, I think we were ultimately clueless. I think that's the rationale we came. to was that it was good but forgettable. Yeah, I was saying that I did watch it again

the other week in preparation for watching Deport and Wolverine and I came out of it really enjoying it. Yeah, like I remember loving it. It wasn't a bad movie at all. I enjoyed it. I just can't remember anything about it because it had been several years. Yeah.

So Logan is really, really good too. And they actually talk about the Logan film and Deadpool versus Wolverine. Corey, do you have intentions of watching this film or are we about to just spoil the fuck out of this film? Yeah, let's go ahead and get that out in the open now.

If you're listening to this and you have not seen Deadpool versus Wolverine or Deadpool and Wolverine super fun time adventures, this is probably most likely going to be very spoiler-ridden. I have never cared about spoilers in my life, so I don't really care if we discuss it. But if you're a listener, you probably want to come back to this one at another time if you've not seen the movie and you have an intention to. Right. With death, you're going to spoil it. Yeah. I think it was much.

Deadpool's in it. Okay. Spoiler. I did see some spoilers for it already because it's the internet and the internet's terrible. Well, the thing about it is, some of the stuff was in the trailers. So I only saw the first trailer and I didn't see any other ones. One of the things that happened in the trailer, my brother knew the, the, going to happen because he had seen it in the trailer and I didn't know about it.

So I saw it in the film and I was super excited about it. Which we can talk about in a second. But if you watched all of the trailers, you might have been spoiled a little bit. John, did you have that experience? Like, watching the trailers? A little bit. Like, there's a lot of stuff that obviously wasn't in the trailers, but there was definitely elements in there where it kind of tips its hand a little bit.

Was there a character in particular? that was in the trailer that you thought was a surprise, it might have been a spoiler? Oh, are you referring to X23? No. Oh. Because I didn't see the trailers. I didn't see the trailers.

I'm referring to Cassanova. That was the most recent trailer that X23 showed up in. I think Cassandra Nova was in one of the trailers, wasn't she? Yeah, Cassandra Nova was like in the first one. Okay. Now, as a big grandma specified, I marked out in the cinema, And I guess everybody else had seen the trailers. So they were like, yeah.

But I was like, holy fuck. What? What? Cassandra Nova. And she was great. Yeah, yeah. She was so good. They paid her perfectly.

Okay? Let me, okay, let's back up a little bit. So the basic way I'm saying is so if you've seen some of the trailer stuff, some of the stuff will be spoiled for you. But let's get back into the film. Start from the beginning. John.

Okay. I'm going to say this, John, and I want you to agree or disagree. But I think I have two like really prevailing thoughts on this film. One is I think that is

the most accurate depiction of Deadpool you're ever going to see in a cinema. I think everything about that was Deadpool, like so many fourth wall breaks, but also like just him being a badass killing people, the fight scenes of Wolverine, just like chopping people up.

Like being a dick, but also being really serious, like when it comes to fighting, that's that's Deadpool. That is the most accurate Deadpool I've ever seen on cinema. I agree with that. The second thing I will say is that I don't know how well this film will hold up in repeat viewing.

Because it's a Deadpool film, it's very reference heavy, very fourth wall breaky. And so a lot of these films, like for example, the Guardians of Galaxy films you were talking about, you can go back and watch them at any point because they're great films by themselves. You don't have to watch the rest of the Marvel Universe to get them. They stand alone.

As a film, it's great. The second film, it explains everything you need to know. So as a film, it's great. Deadpool versus Wolverine If you watch it right now It's fucking awesome Because you're going to go I get this I get this

I know what that means If you watch that in 10 years time Is it going to hold up And I honestly don't think it will And is that Part of the culture today Like is it too interneti Or is it just internetity enough

We're like It doesn't matter if it holds up 10 years from now What matters is it makes $240 billion today, you know? I mean, yeah, I'd say that's probably like Marvel's thinking though, isn't it? They want to make money as quickly as possible. And at the same time, like, generate a bunch of excitement about the movie and get people buzzing about the MCU again after like the last few years where it's just been pretty dismal going, let's be fair. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's more about making a movie for the moment than like one that's going to stand the test of time necessarily.

But then I don't know. I don't know if it's it will like maybe it will stand the test of time. Maybe like 10 years time I'll watch this again and still get like a buzz from seeing like all these characters show up or maybe it would have lost its sort of. of, you know, spark by that point. But I honestly don't know. Like, I wrote this in my review on my letterbox account. Like, I have no idea if it's going to be as enjoyable in repeat viewings as it was this first time around. But, you know.

But the first time is still really good. Exactly. Yeah. Like, the point of it is you go to the cinema, you paid your money and you fucking enjoyed it to the point where you might go see it again. Can I, if I could pause it a question. Yes. A lot of the cameos, because that's what most of the things I saw was just talking about the various cameos that were made in this movie.

They did not last longer than a few seconds, right? Like, Toad did not have a big part in this. Sabretooth did not have a big part in this. Sabretooth did not. Toad was longer than few seconds, but Pyro was longer. Pyrot was significant. Yeah, yeah. Well, Pyro had a relationship with Wolverine out of X-Men, too.

So I get that one. There actually was some commonality there. Pyrro, without going too spoiler, Piero is significant to the plot. Okay. Cool. So there is some of these cameos that did. Not significant at all. Which is the biggest thing about this,

that the only movie that has really played into the Sabertooth Wolverine rivalry, which is like one of the top three Wolverine stories there are, is anytime Wolverine and Sabretoose, clash is the worst X-Men movie. Which is Wolverine Origins. The only one that really, really went into depth on that is also the terrible one. Yeah. I will say

that, okay, that's that is somewhat good to hear because I thought it was just going to be a mile a minute goofs on like, oh, here's this guy. So that's cool. I would say all the cameos got significant screen time. Yeah, yeah.

And the cameos are really important. Speaking of Camper, should we go to that bit now, John? Yeah. We're going to talk about Cameo's single word up? Yes, we are. Have you heard a word up?

Have you heard Corrin's version of it? I have. I have as well, but I prefer the original. I prefer Corns version. I fucking rip, Steve. Oh, good. Are we still talking about that? Should we talk about

Marvel versus Capcom 3? that so obviously i love i love gasandra nova i was having a great time watching all this stuff and there is a part well no actually we're talking about cameos early on there's a really good cameo or you're you're okay with spoilers right

are you actually going to see this film i will maybe see it at some point but i also don't care about spoilers i've never cared about spoilers there's a bit really earlier on where Deadpool and wolverine finds Chris Evans Yes

Depot's like Oh my God He's gonna he's gonna Because the part of the film Is Depo wants to be one of the Avengers Yeah And now he sees Chris Evans In this like kind of lost

Utopia world weird like World not utopia I guess the opposite of utopia Typically This like desert world For like reject toys And he sees Chris Evans He's like

Oh my God Finally name, we're going to fight against these guys. He's going to say the free is, we're going to have a great time. He's getting ready to say the praise. Avengers assemble, and then Chris Evans says, flee him on

and turns into the human torch from a Fantastic War. I pop big for that. Yeah. I thought that was funny as hell. That has always been kind of the elephant in the room when it's come to the Marvel movies, is that Chris Evans Evans was one of the Fantastic Four.

So I wasn't used that they did reference that. That was such a beautiful twist. I was so like that's beautiful stuff. So they get captured. They go to see the leader of this underworld part of the time, which is Cassandra Nova. She is just a wonderful character. I think that they played again, John, you say whatever you think about it.

But I feel like they play Cassandranova like really fucking well. she seemed like a woman that's threatening that's a big deal which I think Cassandra Nova in the comics was and I'm glad that they represented her really well in the film because as we've seen coughed loudly saber tooth sometimes big bad villains don't always get

the respect they deserve proper treatment yeah so I thought that they did a really good job with that but the gimmick here and I is that Deadpool and Wolverine are trapped in this weird, you know, Netherworld place. They escape from Cassandra Nova.

And then they realize that somewhere, this is a bit I really liked was that the idea that somewhere along the way in this area where a lot of like misfit characters went, there was a whole team of Deadpools where they were just like, listen, it turns out Deadpool is a guy that nobody from every universe, nobody knows how to deal with him, so just throw them in here. And I thought that was such a wonderful bit.

Because it's true, if you had a universe with Deadpool and you had the chance to throw one of your characters in the universe away into this place where you could never come back, you would throw Deadpool in there. So that's where Dogpool turns up. Dogpool is one of the pools that has been discarded.

you see a handsome Rannells with his, I think he was called Nice Pool. Yes, that's correct. Ryan Reynolds with no face mask and long flowing hair who looks after Dog Pool and he talks to regular Deadpool, which is very strange and lovely. And that tips you off that there are more deadpoles in this weird universe. and then they go off

Wolverine and Deadpool go off in a car to make amends and to try and find other people in the world that might help them get a resistance to fight back against Cassandra Nova so earlier on when they were in the desert Deadpool and Wolverine had a fight and it was lovely I'm going to say this John

I thought the best fight in the whole film was Deadpool and Wolverine fight in the car yeah it was pretty spectacularly done that was my favorite part it was filmed perfectly they really beat the shit of each other. It was wonderful. It was like a comic.

It really was. It was so much fun to watch. That was a joy. So eventually they kind of, you know, get out of the car and get taken to I don't know if they get, I can remember if they get taken to it or they just wander into like some other encampment.

Yeah, they get taken to. Whilst they're like recovering from basically killing each other over and over again. they get taken there and then they sort of wake up in this strange place. Yeah. And that's when all these other people walk in, these familiar faces. So here come a big bunch of came a big bunch of cameos. And the first was Elektra.

Mm-hmm. From the Daredevil film. Yep, yep. Which is... A West Virginia native. Which everybody's popping forward. Like, that's great. The second one is Blade, played by Wesley Snites.

everybody's popping for it. We're like, what the fuck is going on? The third one, Donna Corey, you're going to know already if I had Deadpool and Cassandra Nova, I'm having a great time. The third one is Gambit

played by China Teatum. And I'm like, what? How was that? How was that, by the way? It was awesome. Really? It actually was.

And here's the thing, John, maybe you'll agree with this. I thought Chan and Tehatton playing Gambit in that role was fucking perfect. However, I can see why they didn't go through with making a whole film about that because the role he had in this film, like he had a prominent role, but he was part of a team. And that worked perfectly.

But that character in a whole film, I don't think that's not going to work by itself. He needed to be one of the X-Men. He can't be just Gambit the film. I don't think that would work. And you see that perfectly in this film. They definitely sort of lent into making him more of a comic relief character as well. Like, he went really heavy on the Orleans accent. Yeah.

Like deliberately so. And it was like, they have no idea what he's saying. Like, I had no idea what he was saying either. It was, but, you know, that's part of the last. It was beautiful. I was so happy. because like I said, I feel like he would, you know, he would have done a great job anyway. And him going hard was like, that's what Gambo would have done.

Like, why not, right? And the fact that he looked exactly like Gambit should look as well with the little, like, yes, the face thing. Yeah, going up to over his head, wearing the brown leather jacket. Like, it was absolutely spot on. Purple chest protector, he had the stick. Mm-hmm. he fights for the stick

he flicked cards to people it was everything about that gamut character and like oh this is perfect please why didn't they put gamut in the other X-Men films because if it was just that as like a bit part in a big machine it would have been perfect so perfect

you know me guys I love Gambit I don't think he's good enough to carry a whole film by itself but as part of the X-Men that's why people love the X-Men it's the parts that play into the cogs in the machine. That's what works.

And it's the same here. All of these cogs worked really well. And then, of course, the other surprise was X-23, who's all grown up now. And that's a really good thing as well because that works with the Wolverine character because the Wolverine in this film is a different Wolverine than the one X-23

had seen in the Logan film. Yeah. And so it all of it like works really well together. There's a lot of like just fun stuff to watch. And again, like if you're watching it back again, you're like, okay, now I know what the surprises are. Will they still hold up? I don't know.

But watching it once in the cinema, you're like, this is wonderful. It's just a wonderful time, you know, to see a film that I just get. I get all of this. It's lovely. So you haven't seen Loki, have you? No. The thing is, they talk about the big smoke monster in Deadpool. I assume, because he says, he explicitly says this is from episode five.

So I'm like, well, I guess that's from episode five. Was it easy to kind of, you know, keep along with everything without having seen Loki and having that prior experience with the TVA or? the void and the smoke monster. Kind of, yeah, because I think part of me been a comic fan, because I do know about that idea. And I had seen Ant-Man film with Kang in it. And I know at the end of that, they show footage of a Loki episode.

Yeah, yeah. So I kind of understood that there was some time-traveling shenanigans. that's something I thought would play more into the film because at the end of Deadpool 2 Deadpool steals cable's time traveling device and then fucks around with the timeline a lot Yeah yeah like that's the ending joke so

Yes and so I think me and everybody else assumed that the reason this is all about like time travel and the multiburst stuff is because the TVA are going to come at Deadpool for fucking up the time line and then he was going to rebel and that was going to cause the film. But that's not what the film is at all. They very offhandly reference that. And then the man goes, no, that's not what's happening.

And then that's it. They just forget about it. And I feel like that's a little bit of a, you know, again, like, is that a dangly plot point that they just definitely batted aside or is that something significant that they should have taken advantage of and they didn't just because they wanted to swear people deliberately. Do you what you mean? I don't think they necessarily needed to pick up on that.

It would have been a good hook and like an obvious hook, I guess, to kind of set the story in motion. But like you say, here it's all about like the Deadpool's universe losing its anchor person or something, wasn't it? I can't remember what the exact phrase for it was. but he was like the anchor of the entire universe. So when he dies, then it starts like the slow process of the entire universe dying, which is something that I figure is going to play into, like,

you know, the upcoming Marvel movies as well, like, which have just been announced this week, which we'll get into, we'll get to that at some point, in a little bit, yeah. Apparently that was what was supposed to happen.

in the original version of the the kaiing dynasty the tva we're going to pick the significant people the key i don't know what they call it either the key people out of each universe and bring them together to fight the multiverse of kangs which is interesting obviously they're not going to do that now um i feel like the way they played it all together was very good

the Deadpool core end up making in appearance at the end of it, which is wonderful. I would say this, John, and maybe you'll agree with this. They swear a lot. They absolutely do. Like right off the bat,

it's just fucks, like, all the way through that film. And there's a bit at the end of the film where Deadpool, and this is a big spoiler, Deadpool and Wolverine have to sacrifice themselves to stop Cassandra Nova from

essentially killing off a load of other universes. And they do this successfully, but at the cost of their own lives. And then the TVA guy, Mr. Paradox, is talking to some other guys from the TVA and he's like, oh, well, you know,

I managed to fix this problem because of two men who very definitely sacrifice themselves and will never ever come back ever again, so I'll never have to worry about them. And then Wolverine and Deb will walk around the corner and call him a dick, whatever. and then he goes, fuck, like really loudly.

And it's like, it's really funny. But it's less funny because they've said fuck like a hundred times before that. But they toned it down a bit more so that that end one was like more impactful. That would have been so much better. Yeah. Like from like a comedy beat standpoint, that would have been fucking hilarious. You know what you mean? I mean, it was still very funny.

But I came away from that film going, that's great. That's one of the best Marvel films I've seen in a long time because it was funny. It was kind of emotional in a strange Deadpool way, which I like.

You only mean? It makes sense in a Deadpool way. All the guys in it were great. It was a nice sort of send-off as well to like all the non-marvel or non-Disney Marvel movies from the last 25 years. It was like,

Like even over the end credits, they have a lot of little, like, you know, sort of behind the scenes, clips and stuff from a lot of those movies. Yeah, it was like a really nice send-off for that sort of era. That bit was really sweet, yeah. So I thought that, like, overall, like, wall-to-wall, that whole film, yeah, like, one of the best Marvel films I've seen in a long time. John, what do you think about that? Yeah, 100% agree. it was ticked a lot of the

right boxes sort of teases stuff for like the future of the MCU without getting too heavy into it as well like it you you don't need to really be super familiar with all the MCU movies beforehand

to be able to like jump into this one so yeah I think it was pretty successful on all fronts really yes I agree I would recommend anybody who doesn't see it that has a passing interest in Marvel or in Deadpool or in Wolverine

go see this film it has a dog in it it has Gamblin it it has Cassandra Nova in it it has Deadpool in it what more do you want I mean I kind of would have liked Vinny Jones to still be playing the

Juggernaut but I for a moment I freaked out because I thought because he was dressed like Vinny Jones Juggernaut I freaked out because I thought that I did in the cinema say that's the juggernaut bitch and because I thought it was bony jones and then it turns out it wasn't so you know uh something else that was missing which uh like I didn't notice it was missing but then people were like talking about it on Twitter

afterwards like saying why wasn't this character in but like yeah why wasn't Nicholas Cage's ghost rider in this that would have been cool I would have been amazing Yeah, that would have been really cool if they did that. I'm looking at the MCU wiki, and I'm just looking at all of the henchmen that worked for Cassandra Nova. And apparently bullseye was in there somewhere. It wasn't Colin Farrell, but it was a bullseye. Basically, almost all of Cassandra Nova's henchmen

weren't played by the original actors who played them in the previous movies. Yeah, yeah. It was really just Sabretooth, who was Tyler Main. Yeah, who was Pyro? Oh, Pyro was actually... I was the same, right? Yeah. I don't know if Toe was the same. No, it was not.

It was not for Ray Perks. Okay. But again, like, Toe didn't say anything, but he was around. Yeah. Yeah. He lasted longer and Sabretooth did. Yeah, yeah. Which is one of the things that got sported by...

For me, by like some of the set photos that we saw, like the ones that started popping up on Twitter, like, you know, last year or whenever it was, they were filming this. It showed like a little video clip of Wolverine and Sabretooth charging towards each other. And then like, Logan basically chopping off his head. So I was like, oh, okay. So I can expect to see that happen. So is the, because I remember in the trailer where they first revealed Sabretooth was in it, there's Deadpool talking about like, hold on, hold on. People are excited for this.

They've waited their entire lives for this moment. And so that was the gag that it was over before it started. Yes. So they built up the big fight and then they, boy, they just took a piss out of that one themselves, not, didn't they? Yeah. There you go. Well, there's always the MCU, I suppose. So I also saw that ERG was one of.

of Cassandra Nova's henchman, which was so fucking surprising. Do you guys know who Erg is? I do. I don't remember him. I don't remember him in the film. Yeah, no, apparently he was one of her henchmen. I guess I'm going to have to watch it again. Yeah, look for, look for Erg of the, the Morlocks.

Why will? And also the somebody who is playing the Russian that Kevin Ash played in the Thomas Jane Punisher movie. Yeah. The guy was there too. He didn't look anything like Kevin Nash. Yeah, I'm sure Kevin Nash would have done it, though, if they asked. If you had paid, dude, if you'd have paid Nash enough, he would have done it.

Yeah. I mean, he already keeps his haircut short now anyway. 100% man. If you, like, paid him enough and gave him some weed, he would have been there. No problem. Yep. So, uh, any. I don't have a problem in the Punisher.

I never had a problem in the Punisher. Yeah. Any closing or any other thoughts you have on Deadpool is so so this is there is no more Deadpool movies after this as of right now. Right, as of right now. But this film broke records like if they don't make another Deadpool film, they're crazy. I won't lie. Just based off just the fact of the way you've described it, this does seem like the kind of movie you only really need to see once. Yeah, but it's fun.

So I did hear that like patch, there was like a patch reference, there's like Wolverine on the crucifix. Yes. Was it Albert in there somewhere? Yeah, I think so. Okay. This is already short, tidy Wolverine? Mm-hmm. There you go.

He goes to like loads of the universes and one of them he sees Wolverine and he hops down and Wolverine's like fucking like four foot something, whatever. He's so small. Comic ass accurate Wolverine. Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, oh, dude, pops all around. You know what you mean? Like, they just went for that. That's part of why it's so good. Like, a lot of it is very like fourth world breaky, but a lot of it's very like, if you like comics, you get it. If you follow Marvel comics, if you follow Wolverine or the X-Man or Deadpool, a lot of this shit's going to make sense.

And it did. I kind of love the fact that Hugh Jackman has basically got to play almost every iteration of Wolverine as well. like between patch and now with the sort of iconic yellow costume. You see him in like the John Byrne like tan costume as well. Yeah. You see like the age of apocalypse where he's missing the hand and he's got the massive hair.

Yes. They did Old Man Logan. Yeah, yeah. I mean he's ticked every single box basically. They did it. That's yeah, exactly. That's what I like about this, where they're like, this is probably the last.

time he Jackman's going to be Wolverine let's just make him be wolverine let's make him be all Wolverine yeah you don't think they'll convince them to put it on again for the mccu movies if they decide to go that route i think the way they ended this film this seems pretty much like the end of but the way i think the way the end of this film it felt like the end of the wolverine character but not the end of Deadpool i don't know if i agree with that i feel like they very deliberately kept Wolverine alive at the end of this and sort of connected with Deadpool as well. So it feels like if Deadpool's getting dragged into some MCU shenanigans, I think Wolverine's going to get dragged into it as well. I will say I'm disappointed to hear that Josh Burland's cable was not in it at all.

They talk about that in the film. they do what was the just like an offhand remark yes they said that he didn't pass like the the what was it didn't it like he didn't test well with audiences yeah

something like that I'm like is that true I think so that would have been great and it also would have explained a lot of the time travel shit but they're like no we'll just forget about that completely yeah domino

neither was colossus in it though briefly. Yeah. I'm not sure he said very much or did anything. But he was in it. I did enjoy Colossus in the other Deadpool movies. Well, he's in this one. There you go. That is good as well. At the beginning of the film, like you see a lot of those old guys from the other Deadpool films as well. I saw Peter from X-Force. Peter is there. You've got to believe Peter is there. He plays a significant role. Peter is very important in the end of this. Yeah. Really awesome.

Yes. Peter is very important, as he should be. X-Force. Yep. I mean, it's just him in Deadpool. They're the most important members of X-Force. Oh, they're the ones who lived. Correct. Therefore, the most important one. Well, Domino. I'm saying that. But Domino's whole power is how difficult it is to kill her. Correct.

And Shatterstar somehow survived as well, even though he... He went into the blades of a spinning helicopter. Yeah. That's surprising. Hey, but he's an alien though, right? Well, he's from Mojo World. If I'm not mistaken. Maybe they do that all the time in Mojo World.

We don't know. I mean, well, you do get killed and brought back a lot in Mojo World, if I'm not mistaken. So that's just what's what happens, you know? Yeah, Mojo has to make up for sweep season. Yeah. They keep people in their... Do you think they'd ever make an X-Men movie with Mojo? I mean, that would be fucking wild if they made a Mojo world.

like X-Men movie. Do you know, the thing about like these days is that like there's a way to tell that story with Mojo because that's the kind of character Mojo was and now that we're all like addicted to our phones and our computers and stuff like that story could be told 100%.

It's not the first movie in an X-Men series, so you'd have to kind of do a bit of groundwork first before you can't have the first but yeah, that first villain can't be Mojo. But even then, I don't think I would make the like I would make villain mojo like a side villain

you know an art in a if they did a murder world movie with arcade as the villain that'd be yeah arcade you could get a lot of like good cameos in that because traditionally you do end up fighting robots you'd need more than arcade though

probably yeah I wouldn't say arcade is going to be your main villain no no I do have a love for that character so you mentioned by the way that this might be the last time that Hugh Jackman plays Wolverine and what a send-off. Speaking of people who got a really big send-off and it was the last time they're ever going to be playing a character. A big thing happened during San Diego Comic-Con where during the MCU panel,

they made the big reveal that the Age of Kang was going to be completely rebranded and scrapped after Jonathan Majors' legal issues. And the movie's not going to be rebranded to Avengers Doomsday, to which point, a legion of people in Doomsday costumes storm to the ring with the ringleader unmasking to reveal Robert Donnie Jr. Who will be returning to the MCU after a seven-year absence to play Doctor Doom. So I saw a lot of discourse about this move. I talked to you guys a little bit about some of the stuff I saw. Some of it was interesting and some of it was fucking batch it crazy. but let's get into Robert Downey Jr's return to the MCU as Doomsday.

What are your thoughts? I like it. I'm not Doomsday, Dr. Doom. No, he's Doomsday. He's going to kill Superman. That's how we're going to connect the DC movies to the MC movies. Robert Downey Jr. just killed everybody. Yes.

Mark it. I thought it was already, like, it's a fun twist because if you think about those multiversal things, They've done something similar to that before where they've done something where like Reed Richards is Dr. Doom in an alternate universe and it's not that much of a stretch to think that Tony Stark would be an alternate person of

Dr. Doom. Like you can see that happening. So I like that idea because they are stuck on this multiburge stuff and they had to make a call be as to what happened with Jonathan Majors. and I think they made they called an audible

they offered Robert Donny Jr. and I've seen him on the money. He smartly said, yes, I would like that money, please to work for fucking three months or whatever. And you're probably going to get

like a pretty decent film. I have no problem of this whatsoever. I know a lot of people do. I think it's a fun idea. Yeah, I mean, my initial reaction

is like, holy shit, that's wild. Like, who thought of this? Part of me, though, like, the more I think about it is just like,

um, Dr. Doom is a massive character. Like, he, I mean, there's a reason why he's being brought in as the next big bad because he is in the comics, traditionally,

one of the biggest big bads you can get. Like, he takes care of business and does so in a way where, like, uh, he pretty much finds a way to win even when he loses. But yeah, so he's like a major character. And to make him sort of a variant of Tony Stark feels almost like a bit of a disservice to the character or at least like, I don't know, like lessening him in a way because he's connected to someone else rather than being his own standalone version of,

to do so like it'd be interesting to see how that's gonna like play out and how they sort of rectify that in in terms of the plot and everything but i mean yeah who doesn't love robert downy junior in the mc u and who can't see him being like pretty spectacular as dr doom as well right like now he gets a chance to like actually show off like a bit more of a bad side. Yeah. Like a real egotistical, like horrible, like what Tony Stark could have been.

Like that's interesting, I think. You know what you mean? And plus there's going to be that sort of emotional connection for like the Avengers that he goes up against and when his mask comes off and they finally see who's under it and they realize, holy shit, it's Tony Stark. The guy who saved our universe is now the big bad, you know

trying to wreck our shit so exactly yeah that's a good angle too like Avengers like this is a guy

we love and trust but now he's a guy you fucking hate he's trying to kill us like you know what you mean like that's a good angle I think

um okay so yeah I don't hate it but I I think they should have stuck with

the Kang Dynasty. I'm going to talk about something I referenced earlier where somebody talked to Jonathan Majors and said what do you think about Robert Donny Jr. taking essentially taking your spot the Marvel films

and Jonathan Major is very polite and he said I love Robert Donny Jr. I think he's a great character. He's going to do a really good job as Dr. Doom. I think it's really nice that he's able to have his own personal problems and overcome those personal problems and be forgiven for them.

And I'm like, he's not wrong by saying that, is he? No, I'm not... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not advocating what John Philhar majors did. What he did was horrible. But if we look at what people have been canceled for and what people have been forgiven for, John of the Majors has...

Like, people have done way worse than that. and come back from it, no problem. So I was going to say, I think in that same thing you're referring to, I think someone also mentioned Ezra Miller, and how Ezra Miller had that whole string of incidents in Hawaii, but the Flashpoint movie still came out and stuff. Yes, correct. And what Azamiller is.

I just want to contribute that there. Because the Robert Donny Jr. stuff was like in the 90s, and it's been a while since that should happen. Yeah. I feel a long road. comparisons a little more apt. That's the thing. I would give a space, obviously. But I wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't do it right now.

But I would love it if they did go back and do the King Dynasty and finish that story because I think it deserves to be told. But this is the thing, though, Jonathan Majors will still get cast in films, but they just won't be their sort of big movies that he was getting cast in before. Like, he got cast, like, he had a part in one of the Creed movies that came out and it was a very big role for him. Like he could probably still get roles like that, but he's not going to get like a family

blockbuster action adventure role at least for quite some time. Okay. He's probably still going to get work. He's very good at what he does, but yes. He is very good. And again, I'm not advocating what he did because I think what he did was horrible. But I think I just laughed when you said that by the because it was just the way you phrased it.

I do. Yes. Yes. Fair enough. It just caught it came on a nowhere on me and I started to laugh because I was like wow. It's true. That's what happened. But Jesus. Yes. Well, like, what I feel like is for like, I'll say this as well, for a lot of like cancel culture, I don't think the culture exists. Yeah. I think that like people think it does, but doesn't. But like anybody that gets quote unquote canceled, they don't get canceled.

It doesn't stick. It never sticks. Like that's the joke. Like Louis C.K. jerked off in front of women and then won a Grammy. They jokes about it. That doesn't make any sense. Like he won a Grammy after he did that. And everybody's like, well, that's great. So like, but what, to me, what's weird is at the moment, and again, maybe it's that bubbling period where we have to let it die dying. But at the moment, it feels like Jonathan Majors seems like the only one where like we're really canceling him.

And I'm like, I don't think that's fair if in the past we've let so many other mediocre, terrible people just get right back to where they used to be. Well, you know what I mean? I kind of go back to the Ezra Miller example. I've not heard anything Ezra Miller's doing lately. Like, the difference is that the flash movie was done. I will say this about Ezra Miller. I never saw the appeal to Ezra Miller at all. And then it turns out he did all that shit.

And I'm like, well, good, he's going to get canceled. And then he made that film anyway. I'm like, why would you put your faith in this fucking bland-ass fucking guy? That doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see the appeal. But what does he do that so, like, 50 other actors don't do, right? I don't know. Yeah, that's why, yeah, but like, that's what kind of was saying, like, the Apple Star oranges on that one was that Flash was already done. King Dynasty hadn't started filming yet.

Right. So it's easier for them just to go like, yeah, well, we'll just scrap it and do something all over again. Because, I mean, that was also part of that big announcement was the Russo brothers were coming back for these next to Avengers movies. Yes. So, so to kind of veer back to the, the Robert Downey Jr. aspect of this, uh, with Robert Downey, Junior, there are arguments that I saw were very eclectic. And I have opinions on those. To kind of go into John was saying, Doom is such a very big character. That to not have this character stand alone as their own individual entity, but instead, like, you know,

and we're just assuming that this is going to be the case, that this is an alternate, like a multiverse version of Tony Stark that became evil instead. So it's not even going to be Victor von Doom. it's going to be Tony Stark, but, you know, that. Another element of Doom is that Doom is horribly disfigured under his, under his mask, traditionally horribly disfigured. There were several versions where it was like a small scar or whatever, but still, Doom always wore the mask. Robert Downey Jr. can't keep a mask on to save his life,

nor can any superhero movie. Like how many Spider-Man movies, the final scenes are completely unmasked Peter Parker. Yes. Fighting. All right. That's like the thing about the Deadpool stuff that I liked was, the commitment to keeping the fucking mask on most of the movie. Well, that's part of it.

Like, it's probably a pain in the ass to put the makeup on. So it's easier to keep the mask on, right? Right, right. So we're going to have a, we're going to have a very likely, just assumptions. We have a multiverse Tony Stark who is not going to be the ruler of Latvaria, who will also be completely unmasked for most of the time he's going to be on screen, say for a couple of scenes where you get to see the Doom mask. So that's that's one aspect.

Another aspect I saw, people are upset that they did not cast a Romani actor because the character Victor von Doom is of Romani descent. I am not as bothered by that one as some other people would be because that's not the goal. The goal for Marvel was this time the goal for Marvel was we're going to get the biggest fucking name actor that we had who like launched this whole thing and made it as big sense. success as possible, and we're just going to put them in another fucking movie. So I'm not... If they were going to cast... This is going to be Victor von Doom, and it was like some white guy out of Nebraska, I get the argument.

But the goal was not to cast Victor von Doom. They're casting a Doctor Doom that is Tony Stark, essentially, by the looks of it. Yes. Like, the goal was to kind of fix the problem that they had. And the way they fixed it was Tony Stark, a proven commodity, in a different different angle you haven't seen him before. It's like Hulk Hogan turn and heel. It's fucking cool.

We want to see what happens. So the last point is I saw someone say that this cheapens their art. Yeah. Which I am just going to fucking laugh at that person's face. Because here's

the thing. I understand art is subjective. It can be anything and everything you want it to be. I think a big budget popcorn film put out by fucking Disney is not art though. This is a product that is meant to be bought and sold, and you're buying it, and they're selling it. And I refuse to acknowledge it as art. That's just my personal opinion as a creative out there, that Disney does not do art. Disney sells toys, and this is what it's going to be.

They're going to be selling toys, no different than the Swamp Thing cartoon, just hopefully better acting. I feel like Disney used to do art. They don't do art anymore. I mean, they can still make you feel things, but yeah, the bottom line is. But like Disney made their name on art. Their animated films are beautiful. And no, they don't really. They just make their money on the names they already made their money on.

Yes. So I get that. I also read an article that was like something similar to what you had, Corey, where they were like, oh, this is like a step backwards for the MCU. I can't believe they're cheapening yada yada, you know, they were talking about all this stuff. And I'm like, well, that's bullshit because

A, fuck you. And second of all, yeah, Paul. Yeah, fuck you, Paul. Paul's back. What was your article about this shit? Huh? A swan thing, you know?

But second of all, like a lot of the it's a lot of like subjugation, but we're being very like guesswork about this. thing that I would rather we just watch it and see what happens. I feel like this is such

an interesting idea. It's a good twist. And like we said, it's like that kind of Marvel-esque, the films are always different from the comics. So let's see where they go and let's give them a shot. Like for end game, I didn't like what they did with Endgame where

and it was like, what was the first one? Infinity War. Infinity Wars and End Game. So Infinity War is Thanos comes up and beats everybody up and they're like wow what the fuck and then the second one they really they pretty quickly beat thanos but then it turns out the real threat is an alternate version of thanos that's like steps through the time stream right well yeah the the version of found that they beat up had been sort of broken because of using the yeah infinite because of the bend the gall that because of them they going through time and stuff but the

The idea was the real big boss of that film was not the Thanos to beat the shit out of them in the first film. Right? It was a bit of a beat and switch. I'm like, well, that's what they want to do. Fair enough. I feel like it's similar with this. It's obviously not the Doctor Doom you wanted to be, but it's a different Doctor Doom. Give it a shot.

It's going to be a bit of a bit of a bit and switch. But that means that the real Doctor Doom, because they're still making a Fantastic Four film in the future, the real Doctor Doom, the real Doctor Doom, The real Doctor Doom in that universe, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, has still to come about. And don't you think the way that they link all of their films together, that there's a really good shout that the Doctor Doom that will appear in the Fantastic Four film in the future has some sort of bearing in this film. Maybe he observes what happens to Tony Stark. It was like, I'll do something different. or he has some kind of bearing on the plot and then that influences his actions in the future

like don't you think that's going to happen it's a thing that I feel like happens a lot these days where people get so and to be fair it is the problem I have with the depot film we're like we need everything immediately we need it now we need it it's the internet we have to get blah blah blah blah and you guys don't give anything like a chance

we don't know all we know that has happened is Robert Tony Jr. came out with 20 Dr. Doom mask on. I was like, I'm going to be Dr. Doom. And then we're like, fuck you. I'm like, well, don't fuck him yet. Wait and see what he does with it. It doesn't come out until 2026.

There's a whole other two years before the scene. They have plenty of time. They have plenty of time to like actually make it work. And I think they will make it work. Because as we said a bunch of times, the Marvel films recently have been a bit of a dud. But that that means they know they need something big to like get people together.

And when it comes to the crunch of it, if you think about their big, big films, they always seem to be able to pull it out. They are able to like, you know, if you look at the duds in the Marvel films, the duds are always the second stringers. The people nobody really gives a shit a bite. If you read Marvel comics, who do you read,

you read Captain America, you read Spider-Man, you read The X-Men, you read The Incredible Hulk, you read Iron Man. Are you reading the marvels? Some people are, not all the people are. are you reading the Eternals? Not everybody is.

Some people are. Well, guess what? Nobody reads the Eternals comic book either, but they didn't stop them trying to make a thing. Correct. But you know what I mean? Huberous is what that was. But you don't mean.

Like, obviously the heavy hitters are going to be the heavy hitters. It's not like, if you watch Monday Night Raw, and the main event is Humberto Corrello versus, you know, Buddhist Creed You really had to think about that, didn't you? It did. Humberto Coral came right out, but that's an opponent.

It took you a moment. Because WW has been on a pretty good terrorist thing. So, like, who else is a job? I don't fucking know. But, like, that's not a good mean event. But as a side show, as part of the undercard, you'd watch it, right?

So if that was in a Marvel big, cinematic film, you'd watch it. But if that was the actual Marvel film, it's hard to get you to go and watch that film, right? And I think that that's part of it too. You need these big heavy hitters. You need a guy like Robert Downey Jr. to go, especially now when they needed somebody to get them out of a pinch.

They needed somebody to go, all right, we can rely on this guy. He's going to, it's classic number stuff. If the WWE needs somebody to draw numbers, they'll say, hey, John's going to turn up, and he will turn up and people will advertise it ahead of time. John Cena will turn up. People will watch because John Steen is on the show.

So it doesn't cheapen the show, but it also means John Steen is on the show. He gets paid. The people watch, they're happy. Where's the problem? Right? So to go back to what you were saying, the ones that did the worst were the second stringers.

I did pull up the document that we first made back in March when we restarted the Spark Avengers in Volume 3. So, hey, it's been like almost six. months so we've been doing this consistently. Good job to us. But those are Shang Chi and the legend of the 10 Rings even though it was like one of the highest rated movies on Rotamitas at 92%. Still didn't make a ton of money. Eternals, which made even less money. And Ant Man and the Was quantum man that made even less money, which also might have some leanings into the Kang decision as well, considering how he was the main villain in that too. Yes. And also the

Marvels. Those are the worst movies that have come out. So they are in a very weird place where there's, you guys you call them the second stringers aren't doing as hot. Add on to like, you know, we have our first Captain America movie without, without Chris Evans' Captain America coming out soon. So we're going to have the Anthony Mackey led Captain America and see how that goes. And they're throwing some bells and whistles at that one too with 80 something year old Harrison Ford going out there as Red Hulk. And, uh, the great John Carlo Esposito as our villain, who I think is the, I think he's sidewinder from the serpent society. I believe so, yes. Yeah. Which that's going to be a struggle right there because, I mean, your villain is the serpent society. So we'll see how that goes. Is that the film Seth Rollins is in? Yeah, although I think is.

Yeah. Did they keep him in that or did they forget about that? I think they cut it. Okay. That's what I heard. We'll see. Yeah. They did talk about that, right?

You hear something go. Then you know it's him. A guy coming out with this really big, like, fucking extravagant fur coat. You're a snake, they don't have fur. Yeah. What the fuck? The Alaskan bullworm. Yeah.

They just make up a snake for him. Yeah, that's a snake, yeah. Yeah, it's a big furry snake. There's got to be a furry snake somewhere. There's got to be. You know what I mean? All right about Lanny Potho. Hey, no.

I don't think they'd admit this, but I do think the, the Robert Dynia Jr. is doomsday. Absolutely what I won't call it a panic move. I will say it was a worried cautionary move of we have not been performing as well as we're used to. We've invested a lot of time and money into this. Let's get a return on that investment by paying Robert Dine Jeter $80 million to come back. because that's the rumored number is that it's 80 million at least maybe more which is telling a lot telling so like we have robert diane junior coming you know returning to the mc u as dr doom a version of dr doom we know nothing about this character yet it's going to lead into the secret

wars movie uh which i have no idea how they're even going to do that because wasn't the the big villain in Secret Wars, Thanos? Is he coming back to? Was he? Was he the villain in Secret Wars? I thought it was. Was that Infinity War? I don't think they revealed who Secret Wars is going to be.

No, no, I mean the actual comic from back of the day. Oh, fuck, dude. I remember. John. Secret Wars is, what, the original one? Or the... Yeah, no, that's the... It's a Beyonder?

Yeah. Yes. Yeah, the Beyond. Boy, that'd be wild. We were going to cast us of the Beyonder. you. Although Dr. Doom did sort of ascend to godhood and steal the Beyonders powers in that as well.

Yeah, get Russell Brand to be the Beyonder. E. I did that because I knew the reaction from you too would be good. No. No. Get Matt Perry. That'd be fun. Who?

Yes. Matt Barry. Oh, my God, dude. That would be incredible. It would be fucking amazing. Anyway, um... The, um, yeah, I imagine they probably aren't going to go with the Beyonder for Secret War. It will probably have something to do with whatever happens in Doomsday.

Because it feels like you're not bringing back Robert Downey Jr. for $80 million for one movie. Right. No, no. What are your final thoughts on the casting of Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom and what that means for the future of the MCU. I think it's a fun idea. And I'm willing to give them the ban of the diet

because I feel like Robert Donny Jr. is a actor they've banked heavily on in the past that has paid off significantly for them. Like, you know, they've been able to successfully bet on that man and he's paid off. So I think why not just have one more role of the death? dice and see what happens. I like the idea of Johnny Jr. as Iron Man because I think Iron Man and Dr. Doom,

there's similarities there. Like that's, that works. You know, it's fine. And also if they're like separate multiburis universes characters of each other, I think all of this is fun. I just,

I'm going to give it the benefit of the dot and to see how it plays out. you know, but I like it. So I will say that one of the things that one of those points I've brought people getting their nose out of join about was how this is not in the continuity of Dr. Doom being like an alternate Tony Stark or whatever. I guess my argument to that is why do you care about continuity now? Like the Marvel movies largely have veered heavily away from the source material

on multiple occasions. So the people making that argument, I feel like are just kind of a strawman argument. They just aren't happy with Robert Danny Jr. coming back in this role. Because a lot of people were like him coming back tarnishes Iron Man's death. And I think that's silly, but you know, what have you. Like I said, I'm not a superhero movie person anymore. I stopped a while ago. So I don't really have a horse in this race.

It could be successful or it could not. it's going to happen regardless so oh well and it's just another one of those things as well where people are just being too reactionary like a slice of news will come out and it's oh this is the best thing ever this is the worst thing ever there's like you know there's no middle ground for the most part and it's like well wait and see like one everyone love downy as iron man so him coming back, surely, there's like a net positive there. And two, we don't know exactly how he's coming back anyway on, like, how they're going to fold this version of Doctor Doom into the MCU at large.

So just wait and see. It's two years away. Let's not get all bent up out of shape about it now. Yeah, so that's my message. Chill. Yep. Well, folks, this was our most relevant and topical episode of all time, because the second that I stop hitting record, I will be editing this like a madman, so it gets posted the same day. Regardless, it was a nice kind of discourse to have.

I mean, we've been historically our show has been very silly. You know, we talk mostly about like baby juggernaut and armless tiger man and whatnot. So to throw our hat into the larger discourse about these two topics that are incredibly relevant and some would say might be controversial because a whole Robert Danny Jr. thing, you know, that's a nice little diversion. I will say this historically, and I joked about this before we started recording, historically, this is about the time that we'd ask John, like, how many movies you've seen. but we've had that conversation in the two future episodes that haven't come out yet and they aren't going to be now out of order so i don't know john if you want to tell us how many movies you've seen or should we just leave it a mystery and we'll catch up in a couple of weeks uh well i'm happy to keep the count going and then okay go for it yeah uh so as of today i have now

watched 454 movies so far this year. What was the last one? The last one was Cole the Conqueror which was in theory it was going to be Arnold Schwarzenegger's third Conan movie but then he

basically pulled out and was like no I don't want any of this so they brought in Kevin Sorbo from TV's Hercules And, yeah, reworked it. So instead of being Conan, it was called The Conqueror. And needless to say, it was not a good movie.

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