The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 28: The Smark Avengers Talk About DC Vs Marvel

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Have you ever wondered what would happen if Superman fought the Incredible Hulk? If Captain America swung hands with Batman? In the last 20 years, comic book and superhero fans have watched their favorite characters come to life and pondered questions just like those above. However... did you know that these two pantheons of modern day Gods have already done battle with one another? Who won? Who lost? What happens if these two universes combine? Join Corey, Dylan, and Jon as they look back at the 1990s comic book crossover event DC Vs Marvel!

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Yo. Yes, sir. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Smart Avengers. My name is Corian with Mirren Dylan and John. Hi. Hello. How you guys do? doing? Good, I guess. Good, you guys? Okay. Not too bad. Cool. So today is our very first

episode in September, which means falls around the corner. This has nothing to do with fall. I just wanted to remark that this is our first September episode. But this one should be interesting because this is something that I have grown to realize it feels like a lot of of people forgot ever happened. So DC and Marvel are rivals. Have been for a very long time. Much like how WCW would refer to the WBF as that company up north or in New York. Marvel used to refer to DC as the quote, distinguished competition.

And it was a rivalry, but it wasn't particularly an ugly. one at any point up until I think Mark Miller rattling the cages in the early 2000s. But yeah, Marvel and DC, they're the Coke and Pepsi, the WW and AEW, and actually, that's really mean to say that one of those companies are AEW, isn't it? One of them is under the same parent company, though. But yeah. Any thoughts on the whole Marvel versus DC idea? It's interesting, isn't it?

I think that the concept, it's one of those things. It's funny you should bring up AW and WWF or WWV because really the comparison would have been WWF and WCW was because there were two different brands that had their own separate set of fans and there was a lot of crossover there, but there were a lot of dedicated fans on both sides. And then, whenever both companies actually did manage to do a crossover, everybody was disappointed.

Except me, I thought it was fun. But, like, it's one of those things where you're like, it's good to talk about it. It's good to discuss. It's good to make a podcast about the idea of these two companies. What if Superman fought? Spider-Man, you know, like, the Justice League versus the Avengers.

It's fun to fantasy book that. But the problem with that is, in reality, how do you make that work? Like, one guy has to win, one guy has to lose. It's a tricky, you know, it's good in theory, you know? Yeah. So the two companies, like you said, have always been kind of at odds with one another in that sense,

in this that they were sharing space on the newsstand uh writers would hop back and forth between them no issues no it is very much like kind of like the attitude era uh w c w c wbf were you know writers or artists would hop back and forth occasionally you have the image comics thing which i guess you could maybe equate to ECW when some of the artists felt like they weren't being appreciated in a way that they thought was suitable so they just started their own company somewhere else of the day, DC and Marvel had a kind of a relationship in the sense that there were some crossover comics that had occurred. There was a series of where the Justice League interacted with the Avengers for the first time. And I think it was like the 80s, maybe that happened. But the event

that we're going to talk about today was very important to me as a formative child because as a kid, I used to collect trading cards. There was a DC versus Marvel crossover between the two companies that, to help promote it, they put out trading cards as well. So, were you guys aware of the DC versus Marvel series? Yes. Briefly, kind of. Not, yeah, yeah.

Like, I never read it. Yeah. Yeah, more the concept than the actual execution. Yeah. Okay. So DC and Marvel, this came out in February. The first issue came out in February 1996. It ran for four issues.

So issues one and three, actually, I think issues one and four were by DC, and issues two and three were by DC. so they was even like cross published in that sense so the issues that Marvel put out they flop the title to Marvel versus DC as well and the writers were Ron Mars and Peter David so I think Ron Mars is representing DC and Peter David representing Marvel and the artists were Dan Juergens in Claudio Castellini it's pronounced Pasizoni yeah

Juergens from D.C. and Claudio from Marvel. So this was a crossover mini-series where Marvel Heroes thought their counterparts in the DC world, and the outcome of each battle was determined by a reader ballot, which you got to vote on in advance because they had announced it ahead of time at your local comic book store. So the comic book store was given a ballot. Their customers were to fill out the ballot, get it back to the comic store owner, a comic book store owner, sent it in to a headquarters where they tallyed the votes, and that's how they did some of these results. So you guys have not read this series.

You just knew it existed, right? Correct. All right, cool. So essentially the storyline is this. There are these two gods who are brothers. One personified the DC universe, and the other represented the Marvel universe. and they became aware of each other's existence for the first ever time.

Like somehow they had kind of existed without being aware of one another. So once they did in finding out that they were somewhat equals, they decided they had to find out who was superior. So each brother combined, it took their universe and slapped them with the other universe to have them battle it out with the losing universe ceasing to exist at the end of the day. That's fair. that's so and that's that's that's pretty much what happens you have these two deities that sort of combined their worlds together and that's why we have these fights so um there were 11 fights in

total between the two universes there was a definitive somebody was going to win more than the other and this is going to be one of those times where we're actually going to talk about wrestling because of cross promotional shows okay so Very famously, at the moment, the big crossover show that people think of is Forbidden Door, which is done by AEW in their partnerships with New Japan Wrestling out of Japan and CMLL out of Mexico. When you say a big crossover, what do you mean? I mean it's the of cross promotional shows, this is the biggest that you're going to get for the foreseeable future. I think that context is very important.

Yes, because I was going to say that I'm not a big fan of using this analogy because the forbidden door shows very, very heavily favor AEW's talent. Well, it's basically just an AEW show with other talent in it, which is not that different from an AEW show. Yes. So what I was going to go with is I was going to go back into the 1980s in the territory days, and I was going to bring up the Super Clash series, which were cross-promotional shows, featuring USWA and WCCW and other promotions of that ilk. Are you familiar with the Superclass shows? A little bit. And that sounds like a better kind of cross-promotional thing.

So this was in the day where the wrestling promoters were very protective of their talent and their brand and their name and their titles. So these shows were kind of considered to be flawed. because everything had to be even or else no one would want to be a part of it. So case in point, the first, I think it's Superclash three. You have a title versus title match between Jerry Lawler and the Memphis title and Kerry von Erick and the WCCW title that ends in a disqualification. or not in disqualification. The match gets thrown out

because the referee calls it because Carrie Von Eric is bleeding too much. So like it's, those shows are full of that. It's sort of like everything's were kind of presented evenly, but they, uh,

they had to have outs because no promoter wanted to like have their champion beat by another company's champion, you know? Right. That's exactly it. That's the whole point of, of these cross promotional shows. People want to see what's going to happen.

But because it's a, thing, you need to leave a little bit of open to interpretation, like, you know, space. So, like, obviously, if you pay money to that show and it's just a clean finish between one company or the other company, then everybody's going to leave that show going, well, I guess that company's better. And that's going to negatively affect the other company. That's just the way it's going to be. Exactly.

So then what's your incentive is one of those other companies to participate? If there's the risk it you're going to be seen as the least. exactly but the beautiful thing about pro wrestling is that's what it's a buy the finishes and the shadiness and the you know the gimmicks and stuff you can get away with that very easily to make people go boy if it wasn't for that guy that company would have won you know what you mean like which which is a harder thing a is a harder thing to pull off in any other medium and b not what they do in a w for indoor so so here the thing of the thing about Marvel versus DC or DC versus Marvel,

depending on which side you want to, what issue you're reading in particular. There were 11 fights between the two universes. Six of them were written and created by the creative team and the other five, the winners were determined by those reader ballots. So I will tell you the story is not, it's not a world ending great story of all time.

This is an event. This is the equivalent of a popcorn flick in movie theaters, you know? Like, you're not going here to see a beautifully written story that's going to touch on the human experience. You're like, no, I want to see, you know, Captain America versus Batman. You know, like, I don't need an in-depth reason for why they're going to do what they're going to do. I just need to see them fight. So that's what a lot of these stories were, where a lot of these just chance encounters between these characters, not understanding what's going on and how to and like what happens.

Are you familiar here with DC versus Mortal Kombat, that video game that came out a few years ago? Probably 10 years or so ago now. No. Okay. So they did a DC versus Mortal Kombat video game because another realm who makes the Mortal Kombat games also makes a lot of DC games. Like they make the injustice games.

Very famously, the injustice video games are sort of the, control environment for them to test out things they want it to do in moral combat. So in that, there was a reason for why the DC characters were, you know, Batman who historically would not kill was now going to actively do a fatality to somebody. And that was like there was a rage. There was like a rage virus that impact that like would take over their body at the beginning of a fight and they were like incapable of resisting it. So like, so there was an expert.

for that. There was not really an explanation for this, just sort of like confusion and the old Marvel method of, hey, I don't know who you are. Let's have a misunderstanding where we think each other is the villain. We'll fight, come to a draw, and then team up to fight the real villain. Like, that's how a lot of these fights were introduced and took place. So again, the whys or not important, or the hows even. I think it would be a fun game. If I tell you guys what the fight was, you tell me who you think was the winner, and I will confirm who the winner is and how the fight went. Okay.

Because like I said, not a lot to talk about in the story. Well, you could do that at the beginning. You could just be like, well, here's the story. Hobgoblins stole a serum and then they fought about it. You know what you mean? Yeah. That's probably as deep as it goes, right? So there's not a lot to it.

So we're going to start with these were the six fights that the creative team. So this was Ron Mars and Peter David essentially making the call on who wins these fights. So our very first fight that we're going to talk about representing DC Comics, the King of Atlantis, Aquaman, versus Marvel, the King of Atlantis, Namor the Submariner. Oh, dear. Namor. Namor? Namor. Namor.

It's pronounced Namor. Namor. Namor McKinsey. Get his name right. Which, by the way, his legitimate last name is McKenzie. That is not a joke. He is Prince. Mr. McKenzie. Mr. McKenzie wins.

Hang on. Does Aquaman have his magic hand? Magic can. No, no. This is tarpoon era. This is before the magic hand. This is harpoon. Oh, then 100% Mr. McKenzie. Yeah, it's got to be Namor.

Incorrect. Aquaman took the victory here. Because there's a very, there's a very big difference between Aquaman's power set and Namor's power set. They're both equals in a lot of ways, except Aquaman can control aquatic life. And Namor can't. So in the midst of the fight, Aquaman summons a whale to leap out of the water and land on top of Namor.

Namor can't move because there's a giant whale on top of him and is declared the loser. couldn't he fight his way out of the wheel? He could have, but he didn't. That's lazy. What an idiot. I know, right? Hey, can we do an episode where we kill Namor? Because I've got a really good idea.

Yeah, we'll do a follow-up. We'll do a follow-up. So, at her very first fight, the first victory goes to DC Comics. In our second fight, representing DC Comics, she is a master thief supreme and the apple of Batman's eye catwoman versus the lethal assassin and the woman who gives Daredevil a lot of issues Electra what do you think wins I mean I would say Electra right she's killed people 100% yeah and like Catwoman isn't really famous for her fighting skill she's more of a

burglar than I'm sure she can handle herself but you know she's Yeah, but also, we said 100% for the last one. That should have been a slam dunk, right? I'm conflicted. I mean, I would still say Elektra, but like, that, right off the bat, you threw me a curveball, and I don't know how I feel about that. Electra is like the deadliest assassin in the world, so. Voltae?

No, Electra is. Isn't Polsa? It did kill Elector, though. Right. Don't you think it? I think it wins by default on that one. Thank you. Excellent point.

Electric kills lots of people. So what is bullseye? Look, we're not, that's a different podcast. I think electric kills a lot of people, including Catwoman. Yeah, I reckon. Or at least beats her up. Yeah. Okay.

So, Electra won by cutting off Catwoman's whip as she was tank from a girder on a building under construction, but Catwoman survived by following into a dumpster filled with sand. Whatever you said, cut it off her... I'm like, thank God you said whip. I'm like, I didn't know what you're about to say. Her hands...

Yeah, right? Could have gone either way. They sort of ripped off Batman returns there as well. Yeah. A little bit. A little bit. If you're going to rip off something, rip off the best, right? Yeah.

I was actually just talking to somebody about Batman, returns because again I get to tell people like yeah that was the first movie I ever saw on a theater and they go oh that explains a lot and then after that you were like this to our podcast we talk about it yeah what you yeah I did actually did they let's do it talking about yeah because I was telling I was talking to them about the Batman movies and how like yeah we did a whole thing on the 90s Batman movies and they're like well like did you really talk about Nolan I went not really so that's a future episode we'll talk about the that's not the 90s Batman film.

It's not. So. Exactly. But anyway, regardless. Right now, we're one and one. DC has won one. Marvel has won one. Yep. Our next fight,

representing DC Comics, the Scarlet Speedster, everyone's favorite superhero of the Flash. And representing Marvel, not to be outdone, potential, maybe sometimes son of Magneto, Quicksilver. Who do you think?

wins. I mean, after talking about how extensive the Flash's powers are, it's got to be the Flash, right? He's the most invincible person in the world. Nobody, we can barely kill him. Even if Quicksilver came up with

some ingenious way to kill the Flash, the Flash would somehow come up with something even more ingenious and improbable. Do what it would be? The Quicksilver would come up with some ingenious plan that nobody it's ever thought of. But the flash

would just go back in time a split second before Quicksilver thought of that and think of a kinder point to Quicksilver's point and then do that before Quicksilver even has a chance to do his thing. Yeah. All right, well, so yes, that is a victory for the Flash.

Wow, that's right. Yeah, it just states that the Flash won using superior speed. Because we talked about Quicksilver is super fast. The Flash has the ability to access to the speed force, which gives me a lot more abilities than just being able to run fast. I would also like to double down and point out again that just having access to the speed force is just such a shitty, like, cop-eyed.

Oh, well, yeah, quicksuffer's good, but does he have access to the speed force? I don't think so. I mean, look, if we were just to, like, say, who do you think is faster, the flash of Quicks-Sover? I think without even taking the speed force into consideration, I would go probably the flash, right? probably quick so it's always pretty fast probably the flash but then they have to like

compound it with like oh but you didn't factor in the speed force to the you know like what gibberish you know all right

so that puts us two for DC one for Marvel in our fourth fight he is the right hand man of Batman Robin versus Wolverine's

plucky sidekick of the 90s Jubilee I mean, Robin, right? Yeah. He's trained in hand-to-hand combat. Like, he's worked under Batman. Like, he actually knows what to do. It's like, he doesn't have powers.

Right, but Jubilee barely has powers. You're at least thinking you guys would be like, yeah, X-Man, let's go. They've retcon Jubilee to be like, oh, really she has like all sorts of, like, crazy powers. It's not just fireworks of her fingers. but like back then when they did this crossover I also if you think about it they're both kids but Robin's like much smarter

like much more cerebral Jubilee's gimmick was always she was a little bit too hot-headed and too juvenile to think like Wolverine always had to beel her out and stuff like I would I would 100% say Robin in this and you say like

you know she's an ex-man and you'd think our leanings would be you know more towards her but come on. When we did the auction the other week, she got her for a dollar.

She went for one dollar. We're fans of the X-Men, but we also know how the X-Men are tiered, right? We're realistic about it. All right, well, we won't drag this out any further. That would be a victory for Robin and DC. Robin won by using his cape as a decoy

and then tying Jubilee up. are you keeping record of how many we're getting right right now you are at three three correct out of four one wrong yeah yeah okay so um so also fun fact after they had their their fight and robin tied her up she

informed robin that she thought he looked cute and then the rest of the crossover was just them like going on dates that sounds like Jubilee yeah yeah I think they were both canonically 15, 16 years old at the time too so you know

and our next fight one wields the greatest power in the cosmos from DC comics the Green Lantern this would be Kyle Rainer the artist and the other wields the power of the cosmic everything

and a philosopher to boot the silver surfer but you have winning. Oh, this one I feel is the most close. This one, like, the other ones we were able to spend an answer, no problem. Like, immediately we were like, oh, 100%

this guy, even though we got the person wrong, but I don't think we should have got the person wrong, frankly. But this one, like, they're both, like, cosmic powers. They're both, like, otherworldly, like, beyond our imagination kind of stuff. I mean, I'm going to silver surfer. you know what i'll tell you why yeah go for it because green lanterns uh don't get on with the color yellow and i feel like that's i know but i mean like there's lots of yellow around he just holds up a daffodil

yeah and then that's it game over he's a fuck what do how does he look into the sun he doesn't how can he wears sunglasses well you see Kyle Rainer's mask what Kyle Rainer has like one of the most interesting masks I've ever seen a superhero character have it's sort of like someone said it looks kind of like a crab

okay anyway kind of like a crab kind of like a crab so anyway is the consensus the silver surfer I don't know man I feel like, well, John told me why he thinks it's Silver Server.

I'll tell you why. I think it's Silver Server. And this might not be a tree factor. But I think because the last one was DC, it makes sense that this one would be Marvel. So it is four, it is right now, four for DC, one for Marvel at this point. Is it? Yeah.

Or three for DC, one for Marvel at this point. It's got to, it's got to be Marvel. I mean, Wait, which Greenland is this? This is Kyle Rainer, so he's the artist. The one who got the ring because the guardians were like, this is the only one we have left, and you're just going to have to do. That doesn't sound like they picked him for his merits, does it?

No. No, no, that was kind of the gimmick. The Sliver Server was specifically picked for his merits to be the Harold Blackton. He volunteered, though. Yeah. Right. But also, like, he had. the goods to back it up.

He was so good that Galactus still wants him to be his herald. You know what you mean? I feel like it's got to be Silver Surfer. All right, so is that the consensus Silver Surfer? Yeah. I think we're both picking the Surfer, yeah. All right. You are correct.

The Silver Surfer won when they both collided with one another in space, releasing a massive explosion that knocked out the Green Lantern, but left the Silver Surfer completely unfazed. Right. because he's super cool and can surf can be in a good surf we don't know probably not if he don't surf

or it's charlie don't surf if we're going with the apocalypse well you close close enough right yeah anyway um so that would make you guys are right five out or four out of five so far correct in your guesses and it is now three for DC and two for Marvel

in our very last fight amongst the ones that the DC and Marvel creators got together and decided on, representing DC Comics, he has the powers of the Greek gods and heroes, Billy Batson, aka Captain Marvel, aka Shazam,

versus the Asgardian god of thunder four from Marvel. Oh, okay. I'm not even considering Captain Marvel winning this one. Well, the thing is, I don't know, disgust in your voice.

Well, he is, he's, he's got a guardian heritage, so, you know, some exactly. He's a god. I don't know what powers Shazam has. Does he tap into the speed force? What kind of bullshit does he have going for him? He's basically Superman Light.

Well, so, yeah, so here's the fun thing about Shazam. Shazam is, uh, he debuted with all these, he was with a different company that DC acquired. And he had all of these abilities that Superman did not have. So his powers were different and, you know, he eventually got the same ones that, you know, Superman ended up getting them.

So Shazam has the wisdom of Solomon, the strength of Hercules, the stamina of Atlas, the power of Zeus, the courage of Achilles, and the speed of Mercury. Yeah, but he's also a kid in an adult's body, whereas Thor is a god who's lived for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Well, depending on which continuity is because is he just a man with a bad leg that turns into Thor because he hits his stick on the ground hard enough.

No, that was like a punishment by Odin. I know, I'm just saying the Donald Blake thing. It largely gets swept into the wrong these days. But even when he did that, he was still a god that existed for thousands of years. Yeah. Whereas Chazam isn't. Right. I mean, if we're being strict about it, I think he is.

I mean, he makes a compelling he is, doesn't he? I just love that this was like, some of these have required debate, and then some of them were like, oh, come on. So it sounds like. The consensus is Thor. Yes. I mean, I would say, listen, does Shazam have a magic hammer? No, he does not.

Does he have a magic screwdriver? He's not Doctor Who. Does he have a magic spanner? Does he have a magic toolbox of any description? No, he does not. I mean, I feel, can he fly? Yes. Okay, well, he doesn't have the hammer.

So. he can also call lightning upon call lightning down just by shaking his name well well if shazam could call lightning down i guess that calls it i mean unless thor can do that as well john can i'm saying like they're a little more evenly matched than you guys are making it out to be not really there's a reason they chose captain marvel to face thor is what i'm saying

like all of these comparisons are here for a reason What was the reason they picked Jubilee to fight Robin? Because they were both the kids' psychics of the 90s. Eush. Yeah. Yeah, I think. They were like, all right. Do you want I like it with this?

Me and John are like pretty unanimous when it comes to picking stuff. Yeah. You are. I like that. You guys are on it. You're saving me trouble having to figure out the differences. We're instinct. It doesn't matter if we get it wrong.

We both believe like this is, this is, what is the correct answer. So yeah, I'm going to go Thor. Yeah. All right, cool. So that would be correct. Thor beat Captain Marvel when Captain Marvel's forced to change back into his ultra ego of Billy Batson. Billy tried to change back, but Thor used Mionier to intercept the lightning bolt that would have transformed him back into Captain Marvel. The resulting impact knocking Billy out and sending Thor's hammer flying off into the distance. That's really smart by Thor. to turn him back into a kid because it's really easy to beat up a kid.

I was going to say, yeah, I love the fact he beat up a kid. Yeah, so easy. I think at this point, Billy was like a teenager, but yes. He's still like, well then why didn't he fight Jubilee? I don't know. Well, because Jubilee can't shout a word

and turn into a grown woman. Jubilee can't do anything. So those were the decisions that were reached by the creative teams. Three for DC, three for Marvel. with the DC victory is going to Aquaman, Robin, and the Flash, and the Marvel victory is going to Electra, the Silver Surfer, and Thor. You guys did five out of six correct.

Congratulations on that. Thank you. Now, there were other fights. Now, there were some other, like, sort of one-off images and panels where you would see two characters interact, but they did not get a conclusive winner or you really even saw anything more than that. However, these were the five ballots that went to the comic book store, that the comic book readers that were going into the 90s got to check off who they thought would win in a fight

and got mailed off. So these are the real interesting deciding ones. So right now it's tied. Three for Marvel, three for DC. Are you ready to jump into who the readers decided would win between these characters? Well, this is a bit that's scary me about it because I understand the idea of having, you know,

writers from different companies come up with who's going to win what and like, you know, kind of coming together and figure in a little. out. But one thing I've learned and one thing you guys have learned too, and this goes back to our wrestling part of the business, is that whenever you leave a lot of things in the hands

of the fans, fans are idiots. So whatever we think is the logical answer is probably not the correct answer. The correct answer is probably what some fans thought was cool in the 90s. So that's hard for us

to like go back 30 years and try to figure out. You know what you mean? we weren't there, we weren't present. So, like, whatever is logical is probably not the correct answer. So that's interesting. I mean, go with your, go with your heart. Now, these are big names. There's a couple that I don't know if you guys would know or understand the cultural relevance of at the time.

But go with your gut. Okay. So we'll start off representing DC, the princess. of the Amazons and DC's leading lady, Wonder Woman versus the African goddess of the weather and ex-man

member and sometimes leader, Storm. E. Uh-oh. That's tough. That's tough. I mean, right off the bad I was the storm, because I love Storm. What do you say, John? I'm going to say, I'm

sort of leaning towards Wonder Woman on this one. Yeah. See, that's the trick. off the bat, it's hard to tell. They both seem like they have different strengths and different weaknesses. Honestly, you know what? I'm going to continue the streak of us being on the same wavelength. I think in this case, people probably voted for Wonder Woman. She is one of the big three in DC.

Exactly. Like you said, she's like they're leaving lady. Whereas as we've covered in Marvel, they don't have like a, specific leading lady. They have a lot of like kick-ass women, but they don't have like one definitive. That's our girl. And in DC, like Wonder Woman is,

that's our girl. And maybe that's a true. In fact where like they have one girl and nowhere else. Whereas we'll have like a lot of women that are really strong and cool. You could argue that point. I'm not going to. I don't have time. But I feel like consensus wise,

fans are like probably, you know, A lot more fans are going to know who Wonder Woman is, straight off the bat. All right. So the consensus is Wonder Woman? Yep. Incorrect. The fans, because it's the 90s, voted for Storm.

It's the X-Men's decade, baby. Yes. Storm wins the battle after repeatedly hitting Wonder Woman with lightning after a brief melee encounter. In the midst of that fight, Wonder Woman actually gotten in possession of Mionier. and apparently like that swayed a lot of things for a period of time until she lost grip of it. You actually that does make sense like why she'd be worthy to hold it, that makes sense.

But also like I love the idea of Storm just whopping over lightning. That's, you know what? That's really cool. Like I honestly thought people would vote for you're right though, it's the 90s. The TV show would just come like Storm is cool. That's that's see, that's the thing we didn't think of it. We didn't pack that in. All right.

So that is four victories for Marvel, three to DC. And that is five correct, six incorrect, or two incorrect for you guys. Yes. Okay. Our next fight. This is one of the ones that I don't think you guys will know the importance of. Representing DC Comics, the intergalactic bounty hunter, the main man who can't be killed Lobo versus the best there is in what he does,

the equally unkillable Wolverine. Brad Hart. Marvel. I think at this time he was in the midst of his anti-USA character in the WBF. He's still the best. 96? Yeah. Heart Foundation.

Best or ever will be. The fact. Now, this is interesting because you had said that this is a 90s thing. and the thing about the 90s is Wolverine was obviously a big thing because of the show. He talked to this, but you also talked about how big Lobo was in the 90s. Yes, Lobo was a very big deal for DC in the 90s. Now, even then, honest to God, I don't think you could get bigger than Wolverine in the 90s, right? Exactly.

Maybe if you're Kirk could be in, but very few people were. And only briefly in the 90s. I was going to say it, but I was going to say it, but I was like, well, Dylan loves Grinchby. He's like, I'm not going to say anything. Hey, man, it happened. I don't like to do about it. I didn't kill him. Oh.

So is that your answer that's Wolverine? I mean, this, again, this seems like a slam dunk, right? Well, I would say Wolverine. But I think we have to think about this from the perspective of other people. And also from the perspective of. the way Corey framed this as well, which made it sound like very much the answer is going to be what we don't think it should be. See, that's what's annoying me. The way Corey framed it was like, you know.

I will tell you right now. I'm not trying to sway you. I'm just trying to let you guys know this was a more equal fight than it sounds like on paper for the time. Right, which is kind of swaying us towards Lobo. Yeah. Do you what you mean? Like, like, whenever you say that, whenever you say it's a more equal fight than you think, that makes me think that you can see what the voting percentage of each of them wants. No, no, I don't see the voting percentage.

It's impossible. Right. No, I don't think that, I don't think the voting percentages were ever released. I just know winners. Right. So if it was closer than you think, then does that mean lower wins? I mean. Because I wouldn't have thought level win at all in an idea.

No, with your heart is all I'm going to say. But our hearts are going to be wrong. My heart's. Why do you think your hearts are wrong? My heart is really wrong, Corey. So, Dylan, you're going to go with Wolverine. John, where are you going?

No, I'm going Lobo. I'm too scared to go Wolverine. I'm happy about this, because, like, to be fair, up to this point, we have never had a split decision. So, like, we've done pretty well as a team so far. Mm-hmm. I'm happy about this.

And if this is the one that, like, and honestly, John, I can see where you're coming from because let's be honest Corey you did kind of sway the boat a little bit I didn't sway the boat you can say you didn't you did How?

Just like oh yeah Lobo versus Wolverine Like you're on who the fuck's Lobo No We talked about Lovo in the last episode But also if you If you had just said Which is why we ended up talking about it

If you had just said Lobo versus Wolverine We would have said We would have both unanimously said Wolverine And because you said It was close than you think you've swayed the vote. I mean, that's the facts, baby.

That's just the way it is. All right. Well, okay. The winner is Wolverine, because again, it's the 90s and the X-Men ruled the decade. Thank you. Wolverine beat up Lobo in a brutal bar fight,

which was largely off-panel because of the violence of it, the very violence that was implied, because both of them were very brutal comics in their own right. And this was more mass-marked. It was. Oh, they did it off panel.

You want to see them fight. That's the point. Yeah. And these are the two characters that afterwards would absolutely be smoking cigars and drinking together afterwards. 100%. Because they're the healing factors. Yeah. They're just like, they're the same character basically, right?

They're pretty much to see him. You know? Well, except one of them is the other one. So, all right. We have our next fight. Representing DC Comics. He is vengeance. He is Justice.

He is the Dark Knight Batman versus the Sentinel of Liberty from Marvel Captain America. Batman. Well, you know, I'm going to talk before John has a chance to tell me what you think. You were really quick off that, man. Batman's not losing. I mean, honestly, I kind of agree with you, especially in the 90s. Right. Yeah.

Because in the 90s, we're coming off all those Batman films. We already talked about in the previous episode. Go back and listen to all that episode. It was really good. Like, Batman was running high. He was in really good storylines. Like, Captain America wasn't at all. Like, he was a big deal years ago.

He is a big deal now. But, like, he wasn't in the 90s. Again, I think we're going to have to go on the same page and say, Batman, right? Mm-hmm. This has got to be the way it is. Absolutely. Plus, also, if we're going by a TV show, which is how we judged the last couple, Batman had a TV show in the 90s, really popular.

Yeah. Really popular. It's got to be Batman, right? 100%. So, yeah, 100%. Lock it in. We're going to save this one for last. I'll let you think about your answers a little bit further.

We're going to jump into our very next match, our next, encounter representing DC Comics. He is the clone of Superman himself, the Kryptonian boy of steel Superboy, versus the clone of Peter Parker and the present day Spider-Man at the time, Ben Riley from Marvel. Clone fight. Who you got? What powers? What does the power of a Kryptonian?

What does Superboy do? All right. So Superboy has, he has what's called tactile telekinesis. He is able to replicate Superman's powers while not having them. So he has basically, all right, low level. So basically, right, super strength can fly. Incredibly durable. There you go.

He doesn't have heat vision at this point. He doesn't have cold breath. They just make off like a loaded, like, what was that, what was it called? Tactile. Tectile telekinesis. Yes. He basically has a field around his body that he's able to manipulate the world around him in. Whereas Ben Riley.

He's gray's telekinesis, but it's close to the chest on him, essentially. Okay. Whereas Ben Riley is Spider-Man. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He is Spider-Man. Like, he's a cloned in Spider-Man, sure.

But, like, he has the memories of Spider-Man. He is the power of Spider-Man. He is Spider-Man. Mm-hmm. I mean, I know that. The last couple have been for like, well, Batman wasn't, but like we've been hitting Marvel a couple of times. Honestly, well, okay, I'm conflicted because Superboy, if he's just a mini Superman, Superman's going to win a lot of time. So we get that.

But also, if we're talking about like experience-wise, Ben Riley is Spider-Man. He has the experience of Spider-Man. you know so that is a that is something to consider here is superboy's age I think it's technically five years old but he has the outward appearance and maturity of a 16 year old whereas ben Riley

is a grown adult man yeah I mean just off the top of my head I would say Ben Riley but I want to hear what John has to say because he might he might have a good pitch I think in terms of powers

probably I'd go with Superboy. Right. Because he feels way more overpowered than Ben Riley. Yes. But this is the 90s and there was a Spider-Man cartoon in them, 90s. Yes. And as we've seen... I don't keep going back to the cartoon argument.

Well, I mean, it works. It works. It's correct. Exactly. So that's why I'm leaning towards Ben Riley. in this one. God knows how he pulls it off, but... I agree. I feel like power-wise, you look at them and like, the Superboy probably has the better powers, but like,

if we just look at experience-wise, Ben Riley probably has the edge, plus the comic, the, the TV show adaptation, we've got to factor that into. That's obviously a big thing. Yeah, I think we're both on Ben Riley side this time. It's closer than you would think, but I'm going to see, yeah,

I think we're saying Ben Riley. All right. The winner, Ben Riley, Spider-Man. With the advantage of his spider sense that Superboy does not have, Spider-Man won by tying up Superboy with impact webbing and electrocuting him with high voltage and knocking him out. Classic. Classic Ben-Reilly stuff.

All right. Our next match before we discuss the winner of Batman versus Captain America, he is DC's basic, the figurehead outside of Batman. Batman, the man of steel, the last son of Krypton Superman, versus the gamma-radiated Incredible Hulk from Marvel. What do you got? That's not as cut and dry as I thought it was going to be. Wow.

I, I think Hulk has, obviously he's the strongest there is, but like he's got the weakness of having Bruce Banner as well where like he can turn back into Bruce Banner at certain points. So maybe that works against him, whereas you know like Superman is essentially Superman all the time unless you get like a different coloured sun or kryptonite or whatever. But then Hulk doesn't have any of that. right yeah when was the last time the Hulk did a magic trick

I mean the from I understand the immortal Hulk comic right now is full of all sorts of weird body horror and stuff in fact I'm reading it right now and how's that been I'm about five issues in and it's been really good I've heard good things so but you got Hulk versus Superman well let me put it to you like this how often would the sun be covered up in regular continuity. I mean, it's not like Superman's weak at night, because I mean, the sun is there. Right, but I mean, like, wasn't that one of the gimmicks

where they covered up the sun or whatever? Well, yeah, that happened in the storyline where he got split into Superman blue where he got the electro powers. Right. So then that would have made two Superman, which would have been in his advantage. Like, how often is he going to run into kryptonite? Probably

never. If he's fighting the Hulk. But like in the flip side, how often can you calm the Hulk down? It's possible. It's not easy to do. But Superman's a very, he's a very calming, he's a good force. Like the whole thing about Superman, he's a very optimistic character. You know, he really is quite a, he's just a good person. So is it possible that Superman could realize he can't go toe to toe with the Hulk, but can calm him down and turn him in the Bruce Banner? I think possibly. What do you think, John? I think, well,

probably not going to, like, calm him down. I think he's just going to knock him out. Just give him a big haymaker. Knock out the Hulk. The Hulk turns back into Bruce. Game over. So I think we're both on Superman, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. That is correct. Superman won. After exchanging punches and a burst. of Heat Vision, Superman defeated the Hulk.

So, we have Batman versus... Yeah. So we have Batman... So we have Batman versus Captain America. You both went with Batman. Yes. And because, like I said, these interpromotional things, there's always a little bit of fuckery, you know?

Carrie Von Erick has the Iron Claw on Jerry Lawler. Jerry Lawler's about to tap, but referee sees Carrie's bleeding so much. It just calls the match because he's going to take care of Carrie. safety. This is what happens in Batman versus Captain America. The match ultimately ends in Batman's victory, though both are evenly matched after hours of combat. However, a sudden flushing sewer knocks Captain America off balance as Batman manages to strike

him with a batarang. Batman rescues Captain America from certain death by drowning, but Captain America's unconscious form nearly drowns Batman, which causes him to lose. Batman pulls him out of the sewer and he exclaims, I lost, it may have doomed an entire universe. So therefore,

Marvel was declared the final victor and thus the DC universe was going to be wiped out of existence. I'm very confused about the end of that. Because I felt like the way he described it at the beginning, Batman Daphne won and then at the end of it,

Batman kind of lost. Yeah, that's what it seems. like they ended up saying is that Batman kind of lost even though he won? Yeah, he won. I don't know. Didn't win? A referee saw that he was bleeding too much called the fight.

But he did win, though, so. So after the final victory of the battle, a new character, an individual named Access, a man capable of traversing between these two various universes, infuses Batman and Captain America

with fragments from the respect of universes before the Specter, who is essentially this guardian character of DC, and the Living Tribunal, the equivalent from Marvel, attempt to create a compromise by fusing the two universes together. This resulted in the creation of the Amalgram universe, which saw various amalgamated versions of the heroes and villains acting as though they have been in existence for years. So now we're going to talk about the Amalgram world, where this was the consequence of these two things fighting was that the two universes

merged. So in a collection of 24 one-shot comics that were co-published under the moniker of Amalgam comics, DC and Marvel combined their characters. Which is really good because you said the previous fights had like four issues?

Yes. And now they have 24 issues. The whole the whole propaganda of reality based on four issues and then after that they're like ah he was 24 he gives his buck there you go so

this brings about another game some of these characters are not seen on panel they're only mentioned by name and you can kind of like use context clues to piece out who they are I think it would be fun if I gave you the name of a character

and you told me what two characters came to be that character okay so there's going to be some easy ones and there's going to be some harder ones. And what we'll do is I'll give you the name and then I will give you

their quote real name if you haven't made your decision by then to see if that sways you one way or another. So are you guys ready to play? Yes. So very famously our very first is Super Soldier. Who do you think Super Soldier is?

Batman on Jubilee. I'm going to say Captain America and Superman. You know what? After hearing it out loud, I think that's probably a better answer. There you go. That is correct. The secret identity of Super Soldier is Clark Kent. No, no.

The appearance is mostly Captain America, but he got to keep the Superman's real identity. Our next character, the Dark Clare. This is probably the most famous of them. It's Batman and Wolverine. Second. Snicked. Nick. Yes, the real identity of the Derek Claw, Logan Wayne.

Oh. Spooky. How did they come up with that? Our next one, a villain this time. Dead eye. Deadpool? Deadshot. And bullseye.

Yes. Correct. Dead eye, real identity, Bill Walton. Up next, Dr. Dooms Day. Magid and Gentleman Ghost.

I mean, do we even have to say? This one is Victor von Doom, aka Dr. Doomsday. Our next one, also. a doctor, another practicing person

of the medical world. Doctor Strange Fate. I mean Yeah, another one. Again, it's pretty much the same thing, right? Well, this one's a trick.

Dr. Strange and Dr. Faye? Yeah, this one's a trick. It's not just... He's not a doctor? It's three characters that made up this one. I don't think so. Yes, it is. Apparently, they felt like this one was too on the nose. They threw a third one.

Dr. Namesis. So this is... Dr. Octopus, yeah. Dr. Strange Fate, aka Charles Xavier, this is the combination of Dr. Fate from D.C., Dr. Strange, Professor X. from Marvel. They couldn't think of anybody else for Dr. or Professor X to go into? Yep. He's not. He's a doctor.

Right. He's a professor. It's in the name. masters, but he didn't get his doctorate. Oh, it's bullshit. All right. We got another villain up front. This one's going to be probably the hardest one for you guys.

Lethal. Legion and Athel. Fortunately, no. Would you like this? Did you like the hint of the real name? Okay, yeah, yeah. Sergei Minerva. Oh.

Craven? Craven. And what's that cat lady called? She was in... John, well done. She was in the Wonder Woman movie. She was, yes. This is the combination of Craven the Hunter and the Cheetah.

There you go. Barbara and Minerva. Well done. All right. Next, we've got another vigilante. This is The Nightcrieper. Nightcrawler? Night stalker?

that was a serial killer so did a Ted Cruz I'm struggling Knights let's do it again night creeper yeah so the night creeper I don't know anybody

who'd be a creeper hmm Knight creeper this is good some of the other ones are like pretty like cut and dry this one's interesting the night creeper Is the knight from DC or Marvel? The night part is from Marvel.

So it could be Nightcrawler. Creeper, I don't know. I don't know DC enough to know who Creeper would be. Do we have a name? Kurt Jack Ryder. Okay, so Kurt means Nightcrawler is acting the Marvel one. Yeah. Yeah, okay, good.

What was the other one? The second part? Writer. Jack Ryder. Yeah. This is a character you guys don't know, but there is a character in DC called The Creeper, whose name is Jack Ryder. Well, no, don't guess. All right.

Next up, we have the Skulk. The Hulk. The Hulk? And... Skul Kid. The name will not help you on this one, because the Skulk's name is just Bruce Banner. Oh, God damn. So it was S.K.

Something was like SK. Yes. S.K. Skulk. No. Would we know what? The skulk is the combination of Marvel's the Hulk and D.C.'s Solomon Grundy. Oh. Come on.

No. All right. Next up, we have Spider-Rour. boy uh it's by fighting and and was a boy yeah spider man super boy boy a k a peter ross i don't know where the ross came from so there are some titles so some of these books that came out i'm going to give you the names of the one shots you have amazon uh just amazon and amazon was wonder woman a k a amazon amazon princess auroro of them Skira. So she was Wonder Woman and Storm combined. We also have Assassins, which is Cat's Eye, which was the combination of Catwoman, Selena Kyle, and Marvel's Electra. One of the villains that she encountered was Dare the Terminator, which was a combination of Deathstroke the Terminator and

Daredevil. We have Dr. Strange Fate, which we discussed as Charles Xavier. We have the JLX, which was the combination of the Justice League and the X-Men and some of the Avengers as well. Some of them were not clean copies over. We have Legends of the Dark Claw, whose main villain was the hyena. Who would you guess the hyena was? The jackal and the Joker? The Joker and Sabretooth.

Wow. How did that do the jackal? It's right there. We have Super Soldier, which we discussed. Then we also have Bruce Wayne, Agent of Shield. Bullets and bracelets, which was a combination of, it was sort of a team-up book between Diana Prince, who is a copy of Wonder Woman and Elektra and The Punisher, which was a combination of the Punisher and Steve Trevor,

who was Wonder Woman's love interest. Magneto and the Magnetic Men. Okay. Sounds like a terrible band. This is a combination of Magneto, of course, and the character Will Magnus and the Metal Men from DC, which is sort of a kitsy team book in the 60s. Speed Demon

Which was A combination of Starbrand From Marvel And Hal Jordan We had Spider Boy Whose main enemy was Bizarnage Bizarro and Carnage

Yep And then you had the X Patrol Which was the combination Of the Doom Patrol and the X-Men So the X-Men got into it twice? Oh X-Men got in here a couple of times We have Bat Thing, Dark Claw Adventures, Generation Hex, J.LX Unleashed, Lobo the Duck, which is a combination of Lobo and Howard the Duck. Thank you.

Super Soldier, Man of War, challengers of the Fantastic. The Exciting X Patrol, Iron Lantern, The Magnetic Men Featron, The Magnetic Men featuring. Magneto. Spider-boy team up. Florian of the new as gods. And those were the Amalgram characters. So there were so many of them. Like I said, there are tons and tons of names listed here to pick one at random.

Cybercrock, which a combination of Wolverines, nemesis, Cyber, and Batman's villain, Killer Croc. Like, there's so many of these out here. that some of them most of them I think are only mentioned by name you don't even see them on panel but anyway yes these were all one shots that got put out to really sell this idea of the

Amalgram universe so anyway how did this all get wrapped up access found Darkclaw and Super Soldier and used the fragments of the two original universes in them to return them back to normal the two brothers that represented the DC and Marvel universes did battle with one another

but Batman and Captain America were able to convince access to fight them also. Reading the minds of Batman and Captain America as they try to stop the fight, the brothers realize that the two men were essentially the brothers in miniature, each one unique among their worlds, but with no interest in conflict. Realizing the pointlessness of the conflict, the brothers withdraw, congratulate each other with both of them saying, you've done well. And that was the end of DC versus Marvel. So like I said, this was a event.

It was not a good story. It was verily a story at all. But it was just a, it was an excuse to see what would happen if you put Superman versus the Hulk? Or Robin versus Jubilee, if you will. So, like I said, I mentioned these were put out as trading. There were trading cards that got made to promote this event as well. There were 100 trading cards. 99 of them were heroes, villains, rivalries, and battles.

They were holograms and all sorts of that dorky trading card stuff that people get really intense about these days. And a trade got put out in 1996 that collected the four-issue miniseries. And earlier this year, they announced that there was going to be an omnibus collection put out that was going to capture the main story as well as, I think, if not all of the one shots I got put out. So that was a time in comics and the 90s

where it was a little more Wild West where you kind of just do whatever, including making all your characters fight the characters from another company. And then leaving half of the fights up to the fans, which was still a choice. Did no one learn anything from the fans voting to kill Jason Todd?

Jason Todd did make an appearance in the Amalgam universe as well. He was combined with death lock to make a weird cyborg dead man. So, you know, that's fun. But yeah. So it's interesting that they would do something like that. Because I can't think today Disney would have so little interest in doing anything close to that. Yeah, I don't think it's likely.

But at the same time, like, I kind of wouldn't be. to surprise if like somewhere way down the line a deal was struck to maybe have like the uh the mc u cross over with like the dc characters with the way they're doing the uh like multiversal uh thing at the moment like if they keep going down that road and if james gunn can like establish uh a dc cinematic universe which um you know isn't as divisive as what it was under Sack Snyder, then who knows, maybe?

But then, like I say, I think it'd be many, many, many years off from happening. Dylan, do you have any thoughts on that? I don't know, man. Like, I don't think it's going to happen

because we've only just recently seen a crossover between Disney and Fox, right? Like, well, and then Disney had to basically buy all Fox to do it. Exactly. Like, it's not an easy process. A lot of money was...

But they proved they can do it, though, with Sony and Spider-Man. Right, but they proved they can do it because there's so much, like, tape involved. And they did it because Spider-Man is one of the few things that Sony had that actually makes them money. Like, Spider-Man's a hot property.

So, like, you have to find the right hot, hot property and then be able to cross it over and satisfy it. For example, the Batman versus Superman story we've talked about, that was a crossover that was not satisfactory to people to watch in the cinemas. And that was like an in-house crossover.

That was a DC crossover. And it was not fun to watch. So like, if they can't do it themselves, how can they think of being able to scope that out to like a bigger audience? You know what you mean? I don't think

I think part of it just comes down to nowadays it is everything's just so tribal and so like this company or that company this or this and I don't think at the moment any of us have the capacity to be able to do something like that the thing about that amalgamation universe

is that at the core of it it was just silly fun stuff that happened right like that's what really it was Here's some silly fun stuff that has no impact on anything. Don't worry about it. But as we've talked about, people take comic book films very seriously. They take comics very seriously.

So I don't know if anybody can just have fun with a thing anymore. I would like to think they can. But I don't think this is the right outlet for it. Honestly, I don't think that we could have a good, fun DC versus Marvel crossover. Yeah, I mean, because I thinking on it, like this was back when Marvel was still Marvel, like it was still owned by Marvel.

They had not gone bankrupt, they had not almost filed bankruptcy yet. They had not been sold to Disney yet. And I just, I feel like Disney's way more protective of their properties than they would have been previously. Yes. So it would, like, for this to happen, it would have to be like, if Warner Brothers' discovery and their fire sale to keep their company afloat sells the entire comic book wing over to Disney, which I don't think they would do. Because I think they also are like, oh, we can make movies as well.

We just have to figure out how to make them good. Which they, you know, might have, they might be doing that with James Gunn. Who knows? Then again, maybe they don't. And then that's sort of the impetus for them to strike up a deal with Marvel. because that's basically what happened with the Sony Spider-Man movies when they

did the amazing Spider-Man and like those two movies. Yeah. So who knows? It's all I'm saying. They got Craveno. The Hunter coming out. It can be great, man. We don't know.

It's only been delayed, you know, a couple of times. They're just delayed us so they can make it the best it could be. They're just still trying to work on the rhino to make him look less shit. He looked right.

He could have looked worse. The problem is, how are they going to make Swarm look? Well, yeah. There we go. If Swarm was in the movie, then I'd be all over it. Bingo. If they get Swarm right, we're there. 100%.

There you go. I don't know if Swarm was a part of the Imbalgroom universe. Probably not. Who's a Nazi? I don't know who they would have combined with us. I mean, pernegaton. Pernegaton. For Negus swarm.

Done. Easy. He's time travel and is made of bees. Wouldn't not be scary as shit? I'd be scared of that guy. I heard that buzzing sound. I've heard it before when I was seven years old. Before my father was murdered in front of me.

By bees. Bees. We're wearing little armbands. I mean, I think we're coming up with some good ideas here. Really are. We're just that good. All right, folks. That is Marvel versus DC.

Those were the victors. I think Dylan, you came out ahead of John. John made the crucial mistake of not listening to his heart when discussing Lobo versus Wolverine. And that ultimately cost him to agree. Never bet against Wolverine. In the 90s. in the 90s. In the 90s.

In the 90s, it's like Batman and then Wolverine. Right? Yeah. And then Spider-Man? I've been there. Yeah? I've learned my lesson.

Okay. Hey, it's a harsh lesson to learn, but you know what I mean? You'll point's back. Yeah. Yep. John, what's your movie count out? Ooh, I don't know.

7.5. It's not improved much because we only recorded not long ago. So it's up to 486. What was the last film he watched? It was called The Hanging Sun. And it was about serial killer, or not serial killer,

and an assassin who was miserable with his job and tries to get away and he ends up in a remote. weird island whilst his boss stroke father tries to track him down and then he gets involved with the locals

as you know typically happens in these kind of movies but sounds good if you want to know John's opinions on that check out his letterbox John which you're at at Big John Bowsky

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I kind of like the idea of me talking about uploading them and then never uploading them. So that's really amusing me. But I do have a lot of episodes of stuff recorded. So I will be putting some up at some point. I don't know just follow the show on YouTube. I don't know when it's going to go up but it'll go up soon

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