The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 39: The Smark Avengers (Minus One) Talk the 90's Spider-Man Cartoon

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

The 1990s were a treasure trove of animated superhero shows and very few were bigger than Spider-Man! Spider-Slayers, Venom, Carnage, Doctor Octopus, Hobgoblin, and (you guessed it) Hydroman were just a few of the heavy hitters who were making their televised appearances as Peter Parker balanced life as a photographer and superhero. Join Dylan and Jon as the Smark Avengers take a deep dive into the world of 1994's animated Spider-Man series!

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If they wanted to watch it, which, you know, people didn't want to three years ago, but maybe they want to now. When it's all out of date and, you know, our references. won't make any sense. Wow, that's pop culture. There you go. You know what you mean? Yeah, that was a little joke. Hello, everybody.

Welcome to the Smark Avengers. That's us. My name is Tony Smark, and I'm here with Peter Smarker. And I run out of smart puns already, which normally would be a detriment because there's three of us on the show. But fortunately, or unfortunately, for us today,

Corey is not here. He's not present on the show today, which is good for me because I couldn't think of a third Smart Avenger pun. Yeah, I'm just still wrecking my brain. Tony Smark, the easiest one. Yeah.

Peter Smarker, it's a little forest, but it works. And then that's it. There's no other ones. Surely there's a hero whose name is Mark. In their Avengers? Isn't Moon Knight?

Isn't his real name? Mark Specter? Yeah, there you go. Smart Spector. Corey can be Smart Spector. Was he an Avenger? I think he was definitely on the Secret Avengers. I'm not sure if he was on the...

Actually, he might have been on the main Avengers team as well. Okay, well, we'll give it a pass. That's fine. Corey can be Smart Specter. He's not here today. he um he he he's um his his his his uh I'm gonna do this bit Corey you can cut this bit out if you want his his his his his his his his baby child got into like a hot air balloon home meet hot air balloon a little basket with balloons attached to it flew off into the

sky which was obviously a terrible thing so Corey made his own hot air balloon ride to chase after his son So they're both off in the cloud somewhere. I don't know if they have any navigation or any way to steer that crap. I have no idea. It was a spur of the moment thing. He just wanted to go off. And I understand. You want to go rescue your son.

That's fair enough. Especially if you're getting to ride on the hot air balloon as well. It's a fun time. Yeah. You know what a great adventure that would be. You know, the kid might be traumatized at first. But then afterwards, you're like, oh, but think. of the adventure you had.

Think of the sights you saw. You know what you mean? Exactly. So we look forward to Corey. Hopefully we'll be back next week with his son. But if he does like the son, you know,

things happen. Yeah. So because Corey is not here today, me and John thought, why don't we talk about the 90s Spider-Man cartoon which we are both big fans of I don't remember of Corey said he was a big fan of it

I think he did I think he was yeah it's a great show it was a great show really it like the theme music the theme music which was performed by Joe Perry from Aerosmith was it really? Yeah man wow

that's pretty funny because it is a banging like real like hardcore musical blast yeah guitar heavy oh i love the car the scuzzy spider-man spider-man it's great yeah it's like there's some kind of a fact on it i don't know what it is but he's a really active spider-man he is he is they remind you of that at every single opportunity yeah yeah I watched a couple of episodes today for prosperity to kind of remind myself because it had been a long time since I went back and watched it

and dude that opening you know a lot of the opening intro is just you know clips from the show but it really made it look like a fucking kick-ass show yeah it's like explosions explosions going off and fucking running the right from bad guys and Dr. Octavist throwing stuff

out of him. Yeah. You know what you mean? Venom's there. Mm-hmm. Hydraman's there? Of course. Why wouldn't he be there?

Hyder Man made it into the title screen. Pretty fucking cool. I will. I mean, this is going to surprise you and it's going to surprise everybody that's listening. But the episodes I watched before we started the show were, The first appearance of Hydraman. Oh. And the first appearances of Carnage.

Ah. I thought you might have said the Hobb Goblin, but, you know. I was, I was trying to watch the Hobgoblin one. I ran out of time. Ah. You have to prioritize. Yeah, I guess. Because I do love the Hobb goblin.

Very famously played by Mark Hamel. Mm-hmm. And an amazing role. Like, he really went. into it. Yeah, yeah. You see that with a lot of those Spider-Man villains.

They're not half-ass in it. They're really going for it. Which I really liked. I think that's one of the reasons I really liked Carnage was that you got this like maniacal energy from

Kledascauses. You really, famously, the 90s Spider-Man cartoon weren't allowed to actually kill anybody or like have any like open wounds or anything like this like there was a lot of rules that they had to follow which you would have thought made spider man a tough thing to animate especially

when you deal with psychopaths and and people like cleetus cassidy but one thing that i always remembered and one thing that i still think kind of carries over after having watched it recently is that cletis cassidy still seems like a maniac he really does still seem like a like a scary dude and part of that is the voice acting I don't remember we can probably look it up pretty quick I don't remember the guy that did the voice of

Cleodiscassie I stopped I paused the cradus to look at it to see who it was but I forgot to write it down it was a guy called Scott Cleverden okay that's actually Scottish Wow Yeah. How ironic that his name is Scott and he is from Scotland. There you go. That'll be pretty rough.

But his voice acting as clean as scarcity makes you really feel like he's a deranged maniac. Mm-hmm. It's wonderful. You know, it's the power of voice acting to do that heavy lifting that they couldn't really do in the animation process because they're hands were tied, what with America being very prudish when it comes to what they're allowed on TV versus what they allow to just happen in schools in a day-to-day basis, you know what you mean? I mean, it's sort of understandable.

This was a kid show and having a serial killer, like, slashing people up would have been maybe a bit too far for, like, some parents, but, you know. Serial killers go into American schools every week. Wow. When you put it like that. You know what I mean? I'm just, we don't want to get too hard at our political commentary over here. Just saying that's a fact. But yes, it's a kid show.

Obviously, they have to be a little bit respectful. You know, they can't just show somebody getting fucking gutted, you know, get their throat cut. You have to be a little bit diplomatic about it. Was this show your first sort of introduction to Carnage or did you read him first in the comics? I think if I can remember correctly, this show was my first introduction to Carnage and then very shortly after this. Because when that show started in 94? Yes.

And Carnage was in season three or four? I think it was three. I feel like it was three. I feel like it was three. Yeah, apparently his episode came out in November 1996. Okay. So I feel like I did see the carnage stuff. That's it.

Now, that is interesting. Because I'm trying to remember the timeline of the comics. Because like I said, I started reading the comics in the, pretty much the bang middle of the clone saga. And the reason we picked up the comics was because Carnage was on the front cover. So I'm wondering, now, the thing is, the UK printing of the comics was, I think, about two years behind the American printing of the comics. Yeah. So when the Carnage comic came white, obviously two years later, we would have got it in the UK.

So I'm like, well, would that, would 1997 be that time frame? And it actually might be. I think, yeah, yeah. This was late 1996, like, sort of November. Yeah. So, like, if you roll on a little bit, it's, it might be possible that 1997 was when I, when I, when I first read those, those Spider-Man comics. with carnage on the front cover. That does seem to track.

You know, I feel like that's, that's, that's, that's pretty accurate. I actually have to go back and look at those comics and see, because they have the dates on the front cover of them, obviously. Yeah, yeah. But I would say, yeah, you don't want, 97, probably sounds pretty accurate. I mean, it's been, it's a long time ago. Yeah. You know, and I drink a lot.

Yeah. And I have a lot of brain damage. one of those concussions I got, you know. But that, I would say that kind of tracks out, you know. It's a shame that they didn't put carnage in the opening sequence, though. Well, yeah, I think he probably arrived in the show a bit too late for that. Although he did have his own action figure, though. And to be fair.

You know, he came back a couple of times. It was pretty big deal. Yeah. So that's pretty cool. Whenever I was a kid, we had a VHS team. So what do you think of that, people listening to this? We used to have what we called VHS tapes. What the fuck did it even stand for?

Oh, man. I could probably find out. VHS video home studio tapes Video home system Oh I was close Yeah Pretty close man So we had these VHS tapes used to put into this giant

Machine Mm-hmm And It would play The tape The tape had like I don't know like A fifth

Of the amount of storage the DVD would have Yeah Not very much at all If you were watching a, if you bought a VHS tip of a TV show, like, let's say Spider-Man, you maybe get three episodes of that show. I'd say maybe like five or six pushing it. I mean, but a lot of the time they wouldn't do that. You could normally get like a, like a two-ar film.

I think most VHS tapes kind of capped out out of about three R's. Yeah, that sounds about right to me. And I feel like commercially, a lot of the time, people would sell their VHSTAFs with about three or four episodes of a show on it. And I remember that we had a VHS tip of Spider-Man, which had the original Venom saga in it. So I think that was three episodes from the TV show

where they did the whole venom bit where you know they go to space John Jameson is in space he comes back and has the venom stuff on the spaceship Eddie Brock does the thing it's different in the in the TV show

I think in the TV show Eddie Brock is trying to expose Kurt Connors as the lizard that's the first episode of the TV show is him trying to exposed

Kurt Connors Yeah But that That adds to the downfall Of Eddie Brock

Because in the comics Um Is it the hobgoblin Thing? What is What is What is?

I can't remember what it is But what is The thing that Eddie Brock reports on That Oh no

I think it's The Sin Eater It is a thin eater You're correct It's not It's not the Hobb goblin it's a sin eater, where

Eddie Brock makes this claim and Spider-Man debunks it. And that adds to the hatred. And again, it's a TV show for kids. You can see why they didn't put the sin eater in it. Yeah. That's a lot for kids to try to fucking comprehend.

You have a son of shotgun just shooting people in the heart. You know, that's a bit much. You know, fair enough. But that kind of stuff, like um starts off that the slow mental decline of Eddie Brock

and then the spaceship that John James does in comes down it's got the venom group in it venom seeks out Eddie Brock and a lot of that plays out quite like the comics I think you know yeah yeah after that

like an abbreviated version of what happens in the comics but like the whole coming from space thing as well was something that wasn't in the comics originally because Spider-Man got the symbiate from

being on Secret Wars yeah on the battle world but that was in Spies wasn't it yeah it was but I mean it wasn't like how it played out here it was nothing to do with John Jameson it wasn't that kind of idea the idea of the idea of the symbiate being

from Spies is that general idea is still correct but the way they played it out was different. And again, for the TV show, it was much more dynamic. Yes.

Like it worked, you know. And it was, like you said, it was kind of truncated, you know, to the point. Yeah, yeah. That's a waste, it's a waste of much time getting the venom, you know.

It's one of my favorite things about the TV show as well is how it kind of, it took stories from the comic books, but wasn't, like totally, you know, slavish to kind of bringing it over from one medium to the other. It was, it was, you know, they'd adapt it in a way which sort of fit into the world that they were building. And allowed it to kind of breathe on its own, but still be recognizable for anyone who was a fan of the comics. Yeah.

I feel like they did that in a better way than the Marvel Universe. Marvel Cinematic Universe because I feel like the idea is similar in that they didn't want to do a carbon copy of the comics but the Marvel Cinematic Universe did a very good job of very clearly making their

storylines not the same as the comics. They're same characters but the storylines are very different a lot of the time and the Spider-Man TV show did it really good job of like, there's elements from both. You can see where parts of it makes sense in the comics and you can see where they made their own decisions. For example, the Vandum storyline,

the beginning of it's not the same. No, not at all. But after that, a lot of the story beats are quite similar. Yeah, like him going to the church. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And ringing the bell and all that stuff, which is the way it should be, like, those are really important story beats. And really symbolic, important stuff that really tell a lot about the character of Venom and Eddie Brock. Those are great story beats that you need to have in there and they included. And then again, at the end of it, you know, the way they solve the venom problem is they're at the, again, the space station that John Jameson's on. and the noise and the fire of the rocket launching scares the venom symbiant off Eddie Brock and then Spider-Man sticks it to the space shuttle and it flies off.

It's not the way it happens to the comics, but that's a great idea. Yeah, yeah. It's a great idea. It's a great visual and it all makes sense. Now, in the Carnage episodes, that I watched, they explain how the symbiate comes back to Earth. Do you remember how the

Carnage Simbiate or the Venom Symbiate? Do you remember how the Venom symbiate comes back to Earth? After Spider-Man glued it to the side of a space shuttle, and that space shuttle went up into space. I have no idea. Do you want to just, like, throw out a guess? Did the rocket come back

from wherever it went? Correct. Wow. But who brought the rocket back? Someone brought it back. Correct. Wait, this wasn't Dormammu somehow, was it? Wasn't he involved in those episodes?

Oh, John, your detective skills are second to none. What happened is Dormammu was talking to his associate on Earth, Barron Mordu and he somehow worked for Tony Stark's corporation Baron Mordo did yes

what yes whatever his civilian identity was they didn't reveal this in the in the they just said that he worked for Tony Stark's company he was some kind of investor

and that he was working for that company and then this is how they explained in the TV show Mordu just turned the rocket around and brought it back to Earth that's it and you're like, okay

well, I know you have to move stuff along so we have a lot of plot to fill fair enough and so the rocket crashed lands in like a park this huge-ass giant industrial fucking space rocket that nobody was able

the Tres NASA didn't trace it Tony Stark's company that sent it up there didn't trace it it just crash lands in a fucking park and then two people

see the two people in the park see the spaceship crash land in the park and they go over to see what it is

and then the Vandem symbi takes over them both and then at this point Venom Eddie Brock is in prison already because of the shit he did as Venom. At the beginning of the episode, we established that Cletus Cassidy gets arrested for trying to kill the chief of police and some other people.

He gets arrested. And Barn Morty appears in his astral form in front of Eddie Brock in prison and says, if you want the Venom Simeon back, you're going to work for Dormammu. And Cletus Cassidy hears this and says, I want I want, don't fuck him. Forget Eddie Brock.

Give whatever you're going to give to him to me. And Morty says, no, I'm good. It's for Eddie Brock. Then one of the two people from the park come into the prison and then give the symbiote

to Adi. Eddie escapes his venom. And once we start breaking it down, you'll see how much sense it makes. Already, the beginning of it didn't make a whole lot of sense, did it? No. And so I'm not entirely sure why they want Eddie Brock and the Venom symbiote to be reunited.

Wow. This is why. Dormammu needs two things to come back to life. Or to come back to Earth, I should say. He needs the soul. of living people. He needs a tribute of souls of living people. And he also needs

a device that will open up a portal for him to cross over. So once the device is operated, you throw the souls into the portal and then he can cross over because he takes the power of the souls and then can then cross over through the portal. The portal device

is being manufactured by who could it be Tony Stark? Yeah. So they have a big opening of the Tony Stark transmutal portal device. Tony Stark is in Los Angeles. This device is in New York where Peter Parker, the journalist, photographer, is watching it. And the idea is they're going to send some items from New York to Los Angeles, where Tony Stark is, via this portal device. Bar Mordo is in the audience

watching this happen Peter Parker looks around and goes that fucking guy is Bar Mordo who is there that's fucking him he's dressed in some brilliant clothing that's fucking him I know that guy

he didn't just because he's not wearing the green cloak doesn't mean that's not him I wonder what's going to happen right so what happens is Venom tries to steal

the device while Mordos is just watching him. And they're like, well, why doesn't Mordor just steal it? Yeah, yeah. No. And then I thought, okay, this is the misdirection is Mordos doing the long game where he's still pretending to be the civilian identity that works for Tony Stark. So there's obviously some sort of payoff later on, right? Do you mean?

Like he's still like, oh, I'm just a guy that works at the company. I didn't know anything about this, right? Because if he went up there and stole it, then everybody would know he was the one that stole it. It wouldn't work. But if he gets somebody else to steal on his behalf, he can still feign ignorance, you know? Yeah.

So this goes on. Obviously, Tony Stark isn't there. But Jim Rhodes is there, head of security, who turns into war machine somehow. Well, Jim Rhodes gets blasted away and then war machine turns up. so you know how it is and Dormammu appears

in front of Barn Mordo and says this isn't going the way it's supposed to go we need backup which you would think would be Mordy steps up and seals the device no the backup is we send the second person who was in the park to go meet Clidis Cassidy

and then give him the other part of the symbiate because the symbiate reproduced give him the other part of the symbiate because he wanted it to begin with. Give him the symbiate. He becomes Carnage, and then Carnage comes and steals the device that Venom couldn't steal

because he's too busy fighting War Machine and Spider-Man. Right? Yeah. You're on board? So then Carnage does this. They end up somehow stealing the device. They bring it back to whatever the hideout is.

Vandum is like, all right, I did that. So now I can go home, right? He just kind of fucks off. And Dormama realizes that carnage is a bigger threat than venom. So he keeps carnage. He's like, don't worry about venom. Don't worry about him. Carnage, you're the man because you can go out and steal the souls of people that I need

to be able to come back across the portal threshold, right? So that's part of it. And of course, because it's the Spider-Man TV show, obviously you can't show people dying, but you can show Carnies, like, stealing their life essence. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was the big thing in the Spider-Man TV show. Was it nobody died, but, like, their essence.

Remember, like, Morbius? Yeah. He didn't, he stole their plasma. Exactly. He didn't bite anyone's neck. He had little suckers on his hand. He stole their plasma. You're like, what does that mean?

Yeah. You know? So, Carnies just pulls the life force out of people and then at some point puts it into a big like pot. Yeah. Like a like a V is. And then comes the big conflict where Spider-Man is doing the thing where Madam Webb would turn up every so often. They give him very cryptic clues. And so Madam Webb says you need to keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.

and Peter Parker says Well I guess my friend at this moment is Iron Man who Tony Stark sent from Los Angeles to New York because of the theft of the device I don't know what Tony Stark is doing but he sent over Iron Man

to do his work for him that lazy son of a bitch so that's the friend part of it oh who could my enemy be and he spends a long time I'm like obviously his venom because Venom is in the hideout so Venom knows where to go

and then they do this bit where Venom loves Ashley Kafka the therapist who works in Ravencroft who was helping him before he got the Venom symbiate back so he does this thing where he gets the

Venom symbiate back he's evil but then he sees Ashley and then he's like oh I love you but I'm Venom I'm conflicted. And then she's like, if you get rid of the symbiote, I guess I love you. And he goes, okay. So they go to Kurt Connors and he zaps him with a sound gun or whatever.

And he puts a symbiote away. And then Eddie Brock and Ashti Kafka kiss because you're like, is that all it takes? He's a fucking criminal murderer psychopath that you're trying to diagnose. Exactly. She's crossing some. I'm serious ethical lines here. But he got rid of his evil suit so you can kiss him. So that's, yeah, you love him

now. So once she realizes carnage is stealing people's life essence, she goes running after carnage. Eddie Brock wakes up. Where's Kafka? Oh, she's chasing up to carnage. I want to go after carnage too. You can't. You're Eddie Brock.

Oh, I want to put the suit on. You can't because then the van of somebody will take you over again. And you won't be able to separate Eddie Brock and Venom anymore. And he's like, well, that's a risk I'm willing to take because I love her. Again, the love part of this has been established in like eight minutes. It's real quick. It's really quick.

He gets the suit back. And so now he's Spider-Man, Iron Man and Venom going to fight Carnage and Barno and Dormammu, which, to be fair, is a pretty cool thing. Hmm. Like, I'm all bored with that. I think that's cool. They did a lot of that kind of thing, though, where there's a lot of crossover with, like, other Marvel heroes.

Like, you'd have Punisher show up or Blade or, like, later in the series, like, the Fantastic Four involved and Captain America. Yes. I remember the Punisher a lot because he fought Mobius. Orbius. More of the time. Yes. I don't remember Blade.

I don't think I remember Blade. Blade was a big part of that storyline. Wait, I do remember Blade. Because didn't he have like the, both Blade and Punisher had sidekicks? Yeah, Blade had Whistler. Yes, I do remember that. Who I don't think was in the comics at that time,

but was such a, like, a memorable character that they basically transferred him over into the movies I can't remember what the name Oh it was Microchip Punishes Sidekick Yes this all sounds very familiar

I remember them both having sidekicks Now that you said that I do remember that I don't know if I remember Captain Merck Wait was Captain Merck in the Multiverse stuff Well first he was part of the what was it called the

Sixth Forgotten Warriors storyline in the fifth season of the show where basically Kingpin was trying to uncover some sort of doomsday weapon that the Red Scar had brought into New York and

part of that was trying to get all these keys which all these old heroes had and like the basically the hero group was Captain America's group with like Miss America and the wizard. Doctor America. Baby America. Basically, yeah, Captain America had sacrificed himself to sort of stop the Red

Skull from using his doomsday weapon, but then he kind of, they both get like brought out of stasis during the episode and continue fighting. Well, they love fighting. Especially each other. Oh, yeah. Gotta fight each other. You know what you mean? But did he come back again?

Yeah, and then he showed up in the Secret Wars. Yes, that's what I thought. Yeah. It's been a long time since I've seen the Secret Wars. It's really good. I thought they did a good job of, again, like, adapting a pretty famous comic storyline, but putting their own twist on it and sort of making it still feel a part of like the sort of universe that they built at this point.

But still introducing like characters that we hadn't seen in the show as well, like the Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom as well. And yeah, just doing a pretty good job of it. Yeah. I I that's the thing I can't be

you know the the problem with like those old TV shows was a lot of the time when they showed on the TV

wasn't always in the right order so I do remember like parts of that show because I know

the Cardish came back for like whatever their multiverse thing was well he sort of came back it was

more the symbol it came back because it was bonded with like a Peter Parker who had basically gone off the deep end and he turned into

spider carnage and was trying to blow up the multiverse. I don't blame him. Yeah I mean why not? We've seen what damage the multiverse can do. Fuck him. Blow it up. You know? It's a nightmare to try and figure out.

It all sounds like, you know, really far removed from where the series begins. Yes, I felt like that. Everything was really sort of street level and... Rinded. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I remember. Whenever I was watching these, like,

the Carnage Bandom episodes, I'm like, the thing I remember the most about that show was the Kingpin. Mm-hmm. A lot of the early episodes were about the Kingpin and how the Heart of the Heart of, Hobgoblin work for the kingpin and it was stuff like that

you know you they had a little bit of like Norman Osborne stuff but all of this was very street level it wasn't like cosmic fucking space bullshit or time travel and craziness that happened like way later yeah but I think they

they built to it quite well though especially with the introduction of Madam Webb sort of midway through the series and she was hinting for a long long time that there was like a bigger role that Spider-Man slash Peter Parker had to play in the universe and it was all leading to that that sort of spiderverse

and the show it was called the Spider Wars Yeah, so what's it called? Technically it wasn't a spider verse. Yeah. Stinction. But yeah, I think that's one of my favorite things about the show there is it did sort of naturally build. filled itself up through that.

And like, it was really heavy on the, like, serialized storytelling as well. Like, every episode pretty much led into the next one. Like, there wasn't too many sort of standalone episodes. There was a lot of what I really liked about that from watching them again was that they had a big overarching storyline with multiple episode arcs within it. Yeah. So you would see at the beginning of the title card would say, since the father, episode one, and then whatever. And then that part would have two or three episodes in it.

But it's a small cog in like the bigger overall arc. I thought that was a really clever idea for a kid show. And that's quite close to the comics is that this big overarching storyline that has a couple of like three or four episodes South Cantean storylines that by the end of it, you can see where they built it. Yeah. I thought that was really clever. And it's very comicky. Oh, 100%.

Yeah. And I'd like to see that kind of stuff play out more. I don't know. Is it just, it's not a Spider-Man TV show now, is there? Not quite yet. I think there's one coming, which is, I'm not sure if it's supposed to be based on the M. MCU version of Spider-Man or

like if it's just sort of in its own world but it's basically supposed to be about Spider-Man when he first gets his powers in high school and is sort of yeah learning to become a hero basically so but I don't know when about

that's supposed to be releasing I guess in sometime next year but there's been like no trailers for it or anything yet. That's a shame. So we don't know if Hyderman's going to be in it? Yeah, I mean, we can live in hope. I find out in the course of me watching the show that the reason they put Hydraman in the 1984 show

was because they couldn't get the rights to the Sandman. Oh, is this because of James Cameron's attempt a Spider-Man movie which never really got off the ground. And this is why Electro only appears like near the end of the show. Mm-hmm. Which again, Electro, Sandman,

pretty big guys in Spider-Man universe. Yep. You have already been showcased in the films. You know, we've seen them both in Spider-Man 3 and then what was it, spectacular, Spider-Man 2? and then no way home amazing Spider-Man too

amazing Spider-Man too my mistake I'm so sorry please don't come after me anybody listening to this my mistake but the writer was like well

Hyderman and Salaman have similar kind of physics so you know I'll use If I use one and replace with the other one, you understand the deal. Which, you know, hurts me a little bit.

Hydra Man is such a wonderful character. But they did get a really good showing, which I really liked. Yeah. And I think that the man deserves. And he sort of played a significant role in the series as well because... He came back again. Yeah, he came back. And it was revealed he was a clone.

And then it was revealed that Mary Jane was a clone as well. Yep. And obviously that's all threatened to tear Peter Parker apart because of the grief of losing Mary Jane all over again. But yeah, it was pretty good. I thought it was really good. And again, interesting stuff to try and like telling a kid show. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

You know what I mean? Like pretty heavy ideas where you're like, okay, this isn't just like good guy punches bad guy. Like there's layers here. There's a lot of like you have to remember a lot of the stuff. You know, it pays off eventually. And then you're like, then you're already thinking about the morality of stuff. Yeah, yeah. What's the deal with a clone and the real person?

Like, you know, really interesting. I tried like one of my friends. has a kid who is he was about five years old or something five or six maybe and he was like a big spider-man fan and my friend was like oh do you have anything that i could show him to kind of you know appease his spider-man fandom and i was like yeah watch these DVDs of the animated series and it was a bit too advanced to him at that age or like about five or six and all the like themes going on and like everything like I don't think it was

the sort of Spider-Man that he was expecting it to be whereas since then there's been like a lot more sort of kid-friendly versions of like Spider-Man cartoons which you know I guess are a bit more like easily digestible what is the name of the show with I don't know if you know this but there's a show with Spider-Man and Miles Morales

and Spider-Gwen. Is it Spidey and his amazing friends? Yes, I think so. I don't remember if they call her Ghost Spider or if they call her Spider-Gwen. I don't remember what they call her. But my friend has a young child. And I was in his house last year.

And obviously, you know, you pick and choose your spots, right? Sometimes you want to watch TV. Sometimes a kid wants to watch TV. TV. So we're like, okay, let the kid want to watch whatever they want to watch. And the kid wanted to watch that Spider-Man show. Which I was happy enough to watch. I like Spider-Man.

And I thought that was a really interesting way to introduce Spider-Man to your kids. Yeah. It's not at all accurate. It doesn't make any sense. It's very, very childlike. It's very like, oh, I'm the Green Goblin. Oh, I slipped up banana skin. and oops, you know, that kind of

that kind of deal. I like the way that they all interact with each other. It's very sweet. But yeah, I remember that from that show. And that seems to be a more recent deal.

It's all CGI and stuff. We sell a lot of those toys at work. Mm-hmm. Which I don't care for, frankly. Yeah, yeah. I think my nephew you as big into that as well and he's three years old

so yeah exactly but it does seem the very um situational like when you're three you probably love that show

yeah when you're six you're like that's uh that's shows for babies yeah yeah a baby show and then that's when you watch the Spider-Man and the 94 show but you know those shows

still serve a purpose because they're introducing and like, you know, and a whole new generation to Spider-Man and hopefully like setting up their own sort of fandom for the character for the, you know, many years to come.

And that's the thing is that I think we've talked about this, but that was kind of our introduction to Spider-Man. Mm-hmm, yeah. We saw that show and we were like, this fucking rules. Mm-hmm. That guy's a fucking scorpion, you know?

didn't matter that he was because in the TV show nobody's really dog shit no not really nobody mean like nobody I remember watching the TV show and the shocker was one of my favorite guys and then you read the comics

and they're like oh shockers are dumb ass what no he's cool as hell shocker by the way voiced by Jim Cummings yes the beautiful the very incredibly talented Jim Cummings

If you have ever watched any kind of Disney product from the late 80s to the mid-90s, you've heard Jim Cummings voice. You're familiar with him. I saw a podcast he did with Hank Azaria very recently. Who also played Eddie Brock in the show. They were talking about how they didn't really work together that much. And they said the first time they worked together was probably Spider-Man. Oh, wow.

Isn't that weird? Yeah. Because that, I think, was a very early role for Hank Azaria. He didn't do a whole lot of voice acting. He did a little bit of the Simpsons by that point. Oh, he was all over the Simpsons by that point, surely.

Yes. Well, no, at the beginning, well, he talks about this on the show, but he had done a couple of voices, and they kept bringing it back. I'm like, why don't you do this voice? And then he kept coming back. So after a while, I think maybe by 94,

he was well established on the on the Simpsons. But obviously he would have recorded his lines before 1994. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yes, I remember that. Do you remember the name of the guy who played Carnage? I forgot his name already. Scott. What was it?

Scott Cleverden. Scott Claverden. I'm not familiar with his other stuff. but he did an amazing job as currently an amazing job at some points i thought he sounded a lot like rob paulson who funny enough played hydraman indeed his hydraman stuff is really good i would implore you to go back and watch that hydra one episode and just listen to the voice acting it's really good there's a bit And this is something else I want to say as well Is that when I watch the the carnage ones

That sometimes when you watch some of those 90s cartoons Like the the Batman show for example They look beautiful There's definitely parts of the animation Where you can tell they're cutting some corners Yeah, yeah You know what you mean? That happened a lot in Batman

It happened a lot in Spider-Man But it happened to a lot in the fucking X-Man cartoon. A lot in the X-Men cartoon. But one thing I noticed, Hydramine, I think, was season two and Carnage was season three. And when watching

them, maybe part of it was because obviously with Carnage, I watched two episodes, there's a lot going on. You were Carnage and Benham. There's a lot of web shooting and Carnage turning his hands into axes and stuff like this. And there's a lot of animating going on.

but I felt that watching the Hydrobat episode the animation itself seemed smoother seemed much much it didn't seem like they were cutting as many corners and whenever you watch the Carnage Bannon ones like the fight scenes are great

but in between the fight scenes you can see where the corners are cut like much easier yeah definitely and it's the same with if you watch an anime TV show. If you watch anime, the fight scenes are

beautiful, but in between the fight scenes is a lot of talking. And a lot of that talking is usually just a still shot of somebody's face and then the mouth moves. Yeah, yeah. But nothing else moves. And you can tell where the budget went, you know.

But I really did like a lot of the way that the Hydromata episode worked animation-wise, but also vocally, like the vocal direction that was amazing. Watch that episode, dude.

At the end of it, he makes a scream. He like yells out because he's going to beat up a Spider-Man. It's stunning. But that's Rob Paulson. He's, again, if you paid attention to the cartoons

in the early 90s, you are familiar with Rob Paulson. So what would you say then, like, on that subject? Like, which episodes were your favorite episodes from the series. The ones that people should go back and definitely watch.

That's tough because off the top of my head, because I had the Venom episodes on T. those are the ones that I remember the most. And I remember them, again, vocally, Hank Azari is a wonderful voice actor. I remember them being really impactful. And like we said earlier, they follow elements from the comics

that work really well. They tell their own story in their own way. They're really, really good. I really liked a lot of the older kingpin stories

because they had the hobgoblin as his kind of accomplice. Because, again, you know because of the character that the hobgoblin is he's going to turn

on the kingpin. I remember those and I remember, again, Do you remember who did the voice of the kingpin? Yeah, it was a guy called Roscoe Brown Lee or something like that. Hang on, let me just double-christ. He was great.

Roscoe Lee Brown. That guy is like, he's the kingpin. Yeah, man. A lot of those voices were on point. Exactly. A lot of those voices were so on point. Yeah, like Ed Asner is Jay Jonah Jameson. 100%.

that's i mean i'm not taking nothing away from um the guy what's i've forgotten his name what's his name yeah i forgot his name as well you know the guy from the films yeah i know i know his face and i know his name j k simmons jk simmons thank you not taking it in the way because jk simmons visually and vocally beautiful version of j jordan james but ed asner as the animated voice was that that was that was bizarre. That's the cranky old catankerous man. That's him. That's perfect. That's perfect.

Dr. Octopus was perfect. Yeah. That's right. Zimbolous Jr. That's what I feel like Dr. Octopus should sign. Again, no knock on. Why can I remember people's names? Yeah.

Alfred Bellina. No knock on. Because Alpha Menna, like, Bell to Bell, one of the best Spider-Man villains of all time. In any medium. In any medium. Like, incredible. But there's something to buy that auto-activius

from the anime show that, like, that's what do you think he sounds like, you know? He also played Alfred and the Batman anime show. Did he? Yeah. Whoa. That's range. Indeed.

That's some range right there. You know what I mean? That's incredible. So I would say, for me looking back I would watch the first couple of seasons of the Spider-Man show

because not to say that the older ones aren't good but the good thing about Spider-Man is he's always been that grounded character he was fighting guys

to the scorpion and the rhino and stuff like this if you want to see fun stuff like that watch the first couple of seasons you know I would say one to three and just you'll find him

fighting the Green Goblin the hobgoblin, the kingpin. All the classic villains are all there. Except, of course, for Sandman, the Electro, has been covered. Don't worry about them. But all the other guys are there, the lizard. I think the lizard is the first episode. Yeah, man.

Like, that's, like, bang, right off the bat here is the lizard. And you understand a lot of stuff, you know? So for me, I would say, nothing specific stands out other than the venom stuff because I've seen it so many times. but like, I would go back and watch the first couple of seasons, and you can't go wrong. Yeah. What would you think?

Well, you know, I'm a big sucker for anything Goblin related. So those first two Hobgoblin episodes, which introduce him, I think fantastic. They do such a good job of, like, established. the character is just this absolute wildcard like starts off basically working for Norman Osborne then sells Norman Osborne out to the kingpin then basically takes over the kingpin's empire for a brief period and then gets chased off by Spider-Man

like yeah that's just beautiful stuff and then in the second season there was the crossover with the X-Men as well which had the actual voice cast from the X-Men animated show and yeah that was really fun as well

and then the third season they had the Hobgoblin again and this time he actually fought the green goblin because Hobgoblin had managed to get his hands on the the time

dilation accelerator her. And Green Goblin wanted it. And that led into one of the best episodes of the series, the turning point where, which is basically just an adaptation of like Amazing Spider-Man, 121 slash 122, where Green Goblin,

he knows Spider-Man's, you know, real identity. then uses that information to get his loved one up onto, you know, the top of a bridge. And in this case, doesn't matter which bridge. Instead of Gwen, it's Mary Jane, and then she goes over the edge. But instead of dying, she falls into one of the portals and, like, ends up in limbo. and then yeah like green goblin gets

hoisted on his own goblin glider as well and ends up going getting uh well knocking himself into a portal and then disappearing and it's just yeah beautiful stuff it's a great adaptation of the comic storylines but within the

confines of the world they built within the animated show that's part of it too like we said earlier like they had all these like rules hit the follows like you can't really have somebody falling off the bridge and dying. Yeah. So they didn't do that. They were able to come up with an idea

that had repercussions later on in the show that was different from somebody just dying, which maybe is something that the comics should follow. Because we've talked about this before in the show where, and I think we're going to be talking about this at some point in the future,

wink, wink, about comic deaths and how I sometimes they feel really cheap. like it's just it just happens and nobody ever dies for real except uncle ben and then even then you're like hmm did he die they've so brought him back a couple of times they sort of brought him back a couple of times it's bullshit but like that's part of like nobody ever dies for real and so that's an interesting concept in the tv show we're like well if nobody can die then that way we have to a come up with a alternate way for people

to disappear that isn't dying and then B make that have lasting consequences the way that a death would but in a different manner and I think that's really clever because they were able to do that

a lot and I think that's really significant because I think that sometimes in the comics I say sometimes most of the time in the comics the reason people die is for like

if I may smart up this conversation for a bit for like cheap heat. Mm-hmm. It's a very easy way to go, oh, no. You know, like it puts a lot of heat on somebody. For example, the kingpin killing Aunt May.

Like, that whole thing was just bullshit. Mm-hmm. And the way it resolved was bullshit. It didn't make a kingpin look good. It didn't make Spider-Man look good. Aunt May came back two months later anyway, so it didn't make her death impactful. it was just insignificant

but it was done to get the reader to emotionally invest in the idea that Atme was dead which was just cheap heat you know whereas with the comic

or with the TV show they were a lot more free to like do it's just a time portal and what does that mean like you'll find out okay cool that's all right I'm going to find out

you know, I wonder what's going to happen. And you did, you did find out. Yeah. We all find out eventually, you know. It's interesting stuff. And yeah, it's sort of, that's the way it ends as well. Like the very last episode, the very last scene, basically. Like, not to get into spoiler territory, if you haven't watched this and hearing about

this show for the very first time. It's 20 years later, dude. We can, fucking spoil it. Yeah. Fuck you if you haven't seen it. and don't want to know. Yeah, fun you. But basically, yeah, like,

Spider-Man saves the day, saves the universe, and Madam Webb's like, okay, well, as a reward, we're going to go and rescue Mary Jane now and bring her back from the void that she ended up in. So it's like, yeah, you know, that whole thread basically ended up going

from the third season right the way through to the fifth season. Yes, there are consequences. Mm. Lasty consequences So he did best episode Do you have a worst episode You know honestly I can't think of any

Because like I said I watched a couple of ones recently And a lot of the older episodes I kind of I remember them with like nostalgia You know I don't remember ever watching an episode I'm like this is fucking dog shit dude

Well I'll give you one example Oh it's got that Well, okay, hang on. Can I try to guess a villain? Go for it. The kangaroo? Was he in it? No, he never showed up in this.

Oh, that's just racist. They didn't put the cat. Spot? No, you know, I quite like the spot in the show. I love the spot. Was he on the show? I don't remember him on the show. Yeah, he was the guy who invented the time dilation

and accelerated. read Dr. Jonathan Ome. And then, yeah, he got turned into the spot and ended up getting sucked into one of his own portals as well, I believe. That's a shit. Yeah, what a way to go. Yeah. That's a shame. I always liked the spot as a character,

and I felt really annoyed when they didn't give him enough justice in the comics. And then they did in the Spider-verse film, they made him like a big deal. What I really liked with that was they made him an idiot, and also a big deal. Like, yes, that is how you do it. Yeah. You know what you mean?

We can work it. We can more than one dimension of this character. Yeah, yeah. The worst one, Scorpion? No. Oh, Spider-Slayer? No, I mean, I wasn't a massive fan of the Spider-Slayers, but again, it sort of served a purpose in, like,

given Alistus my reason. to hate Spider-Man and end up working with King Ping but I'll put you out of your misery with two words

Rocket Racer As if that wasn't bad enough as well the villain in it was Big Wheel Oh, how have I not seen this episode? Yeah man It's not good

it's got to be good it's got the big wheel in it oh dear can we explain who the big wheel is for anybody listening I mean it's a guy in a big wheel correct but it's got like machine guns and shit yeah

it's kind of like a like a what would be the way you describe it like a man is inside like a kind of like like a miniature like ferris wheel kind of thing yeah they they called it a gyro wheel which I guess was supposed to

explain how it stayed upright or I don't know it's got like arms and like machine guns and stuff in it and it has little dudes and jet packs who fly out of it as well yeah because just don't think about it too much why wouldn't he have that he's the big wheel

exactly did he does he drawing in this one uh I can't remember I think it might end up in the river, but I'm not sure. I think that's how it does in the comics, right? He just falls in the river and then he's well, I guess he drowned.

Yeah, that shows him. Yeah, that's it. Like, Spider-Man didn't even beat him. He just drowned. A Spider-Man was like, well, that's all right. I have to worry about him anymore. He's dead. Fuck him. You know? I'm pretty sure he wasn't worrying about

him to begin with either. Wow. Was Siltman? In the TV show. Never appeared in the TV show. Oh, was the, what was the guy, the looter? Nope. What about the trappster?

No. There's a lot of guys that they left on the chopping board. I mean, you can see why they didn't put the looter in. I guess. You know what I mean? I can understand why they wouldn't put, like, we got a right of an episode about the looter. You know, I can see why they'd be like,

I'll skip. You can skip that one. To be fair, I always liked the trapster. I really, correct. But whenever he became the trapster, like I love that because they took a character that sucked and made him like fucking cool as hell.

And then they forgot about it and made him like Pace Poppet again. They just made him a dumb ass again. I'm like, well, don't make somebody cool and then negated. the media. Because I feel like they did that with a shocker.

I remember an episode or an issue of the comics when they made the shocker. Because I always liked the shocker from the TV show. And then there was a couple of episodes or a couple of issues of the comic where they made

shocker really cool, like a bonafide fucking villain. And then he didn't see him for ages and then he was in that next Spencer deadly foes of Spider-Man I think. What was it? Not that he was.

is Spider-Man. You know, it's not deadly. It's some other word for it. Something that, yeah. The fobs of Spider-Man where he's like a fucking crazy, what was it?

He doesn't like small spaces or something. There's see, he has some problem where he doesn't like something. And that's part of an issue. And he's just like a big loser. And like, that's not the shocker, man. Superior foes of Spider-Man.

Superior foes of Spider-Man. Correct. I didn't like that version of the shock I loved that run to be fair It was so funny I just didn't like that that version of the shocker You know Because I felt like he was a badass guy

Like I would love gauntlets It's fucking shock the grind You know And wearing a comfy looking pillow costume Lovely lovely comfy looking costume Like if you got punched It wouldn't hurt No

It seems like a great idea and everybody made fun of him. Like, why? He's smarter than everybody else. There you go. You know what I mean? The shocker, smartest villain in the world.

Maybe not in the world, but you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Pretty smart. What else do you want to say about the Spider-Man TV show? I mean, I think we've covered a lot of...

I mean, we talked about Batman McCornage for a long time. Is there anybody else? else you want to talk about like give a spotlight to uh you know i i think they did a good job with a lot of characters in it really like like we mentioned the kingpin and how he was pretty much the main villain for uh the bulk of the show really but certainly the like the first least the first two seasons right yeah but then they did such a good job with dr octopus and how Kurt Connors was like a recurring character as well and constantly fighting to, you know, not turn into the lizard.

Even like characters like Harry Osborne, like they gave a good run with like, you know, he's sort of Peter's best friend. But then, you know, the problems that his dad starts having, he goes off the deep end as well. and then he turns into the green goblin because he starts seeing his dad from limbo and that drives him mad. And then, yeah, like that whole deal was pretty well done. And Morbius was, you know, like a character who was all over the show.

Yep. Like, he was, you know, for most of the second season. into the third, like he was battling his vampirism and like trying to stop himself from turning evil and like in love with Felicia Hardy as well. He was also like another character who had, he was there basically from the beginning and had a pretty strong arc like starting off as sort of the rich bimbo. who, you know, didn't really give Peter the time of day, but then sort of grew a conscience as the series went on through like her relationship with Morbius and then like having her father show up again

and then being given the like super soldier formula which turned her into the black cat and encouraged her to become a hero. like yeah those the writing was so good like yeah i think uh john semper was the guy who was basically the showrunner and basically wrote a lot of the episodes or at least kind of you know plotted a lot of the storylines and other people may have written them but like yeah he was basically the the head visionary of the show and the dude deserve so much credit for the the way he took a lot of familiar stories and and just adapted them for the 90s and like the medium

of comic cartoons as well like he did such a good job of that yeah i think you have you have like 20 minutes to get your idea across you know like how do you do that how do you fit like 50 years of comics into like these 20 minutes chunks like the pace and a bit and stuff like um I think that's pretty important too. They did a very good job with it, really. I really enjoyed it. You know, I feel like as goblin connoisseurs, we should mention, obviously the Green Goblin was good, but the Hobgoblin was the star of that show.

Hobgoblin. That's the reason I have a big affinity for the Hobgoblin, and probably the same reason you have one too, right? Yeah, yeah, 100%. That show, like the Hobgoblin just seems. the fucking badass voice by Mark Hamill of course famous for something

or other famous for being the movie about something I don't know famous for being the Joker Yes that's right in the animated Batman cartoon so imagine me the Joker

and the Hobgoblin in like two of the most important comic adaptations of the 90s yeah that's a pretty good going you know that's

that's why people talk about Mark Hamill the way I remember Mark Hamill is a fucking great voice actor hell yeah I don't remember him as like I don't know what the fuck else he did honestly God I have no idea but fuck man he was so good as a voice actor

so I have a big affinity for the goblins I think that they're both great but I want to give a big shout I'd say the hobgoblin for it's just a wonderful time just a real villain a real villain

you know what you mean this is a real fucking piece of shit yeah you know um I don't really know any villains that like stand out to me as like

being terrible but there were a lot of really good ones in there yeah I can't really I mean aside from the big wheel yeah but

maybe Baron Mordo as well yeah that was a bit standing around yeah he could have done something. He could have stolen that fucking thing himself. I don't know why he didn't.

It's a very unusual situation. Again, it was a weird way to introduce Fendom and Carnage into the thing. You couldn't thought of a different way to bring carnage into that. You had to bring fire morto and throw Mamu into the whole thing.

I don't know. Yeah. Correct. But listen, man, they made some choices. They weren't always correct. They did their best they could. And for the most part,

they did a pretty good job. Yeah. They managed to wrap up the series in a pretty satisfying way as well. Yes. To the point where I don't know, like obviously this year we saw X-Men 97 come out, which was a continuation of that beloved cartoon from the early 90s as well. Yes. I don't know if like a continuation. of Spider-Man would be necessary.

Like, I'd sort of love to go back to this world and see them, you know, hopefully try and replicate the success of X-Men 97. But at the same time, I think this sort of wrapped itself up in such a way that, you know, we don't really need to go back. And part of me does worry about it, like, tarnishing the show a little bit as well. Yes. I agree with that and I will

put out a example for you a couple of years ago I say a couple years ago obviously I mean longer than that because time moves very quickly but one of my favorite shows used to be Futurama

and Futurama was great because it came in, it did its business and then it got cancelled and it was perfect Yeah. Like if you watch the run of season one to season four of Petorama, fuck me, dude. That show is hard to beat.

Right. Like, it's, it's tight. They're not all perfect, obviously, but it's so tight. It's so, like, these guys know what their characters are. They know how much time they have to tell the story. They're going to tell that story. They're going to do it. It's going to be funny as fuck.

It was, like, at the time, when it got canceled, like wall to wall, bell to bell, that might be the best show of all time. It's so tight. It's so funny. It's so good. For what it does, it does it's so good.

Then they brought PJama back, and then they brought it back again, and then they brought it back again, and now they brought it back like a fifth time, and it's not good. Is it not good? I've not watched any of the new stuff. Last year,

when I went to my friends, size who had the kid he was watching that Spider-Man show when he was, we already hung over one day so we're like, why don't we just sit here and watch that new season of beat drama? So we did. And we watched, I would say, five or six episodes

in a row, and we hadn't laughed once. I'm like, this is not good. Like, this is bad, man. And it's a shame to sit there and watch something you used to love a lot. turn into this.

You know, and it's, it's, it's like night and day. I watched a new episode of the Simpsons today. Oh, okay. And it was bad. But it wasn't, it wasn't bad as in like, it was a piece of shit. It was just like, this isn't what that show is. This, this, this, what I'm watching right now is not what the Simpsons was. Yeah.

And also, it's not funny, which is a, also a detriment. But it's just not what it was. And that's what I felt with these feature album episodes. They had it perfectly. Season 1 to 4, perfect. You don't need nothing else. You don't need it.

It's tight. It's perfect the way it is. It's nice to bring it back. It's nice for nostalgia. It's nice to give those guys who worked on the show something else to do. But as a story, you don't need this. And I feel like it's the same of that Spider-Mont show. and potentially the X-Men show, I haven't seen the new X-Men,

you know, 97, whatever it is. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I'm sure. People tell me it's great. It might be great. I'm sure it is. But then you're like, the original Spider-Man was so tight.

They got, I think by the end of it, they knew we're done. Let's just do what we have to do and get in and I and be finished with it. If they brought it back, I would feel like it's unnecessary. Yeah.

And like I said, I haven't seen the X-Men once, so I don't know if that is. I mean, I bet it's something similar. Like they added, because there's been so many X-Men stories after that, there's so much more stuff they can tell in their own spin on it and put their own characters in it.

It's probably still really good. So I can't say for yes or no, if that's, you know, a good thing or about. thing. And the problem with Spider-Man, I feel like, is a lot of

the Spider-Man comics that have come out post 2000s haven't been that good. So to put them in TV,

even to put them on your own spin of things, it's going to be a really good spin to make a lot of that stuff work. Yeah.

So to leave Spider-Man 94 the way it is is the best way to do it. Because that way you have it. It's a moment of time.

It's captured right there. People who remember it love it. People who go back to it will love it because it is what it is. To make a reboot of it now would be unnecessary. There's no need for that. We don't need to do that. We already have

the original. Like we said, but the X-Men, you know, but this, if they did a new Spider-Man, it could be great. It could be. Could be garbage. Correct. The chances, let's be honest. let's be really honest to ourselves the chances of it being good to

garbage they're skewed one direction and it's the garbage direction and I'd rather, I just don't want to see it yeah especially because they've already made like other Spider-Man cartoons just make other Spider-Man cartoons

exactly just do it if you want to do something different just do something else we don't need it we've already seen three different reboots of Spider-Man in the films you know what you mean in the in that time frame

between Spider-Man 94 and we've seen three different reboots of Spider-Man in the films we don't need more and we've probably seen we had like Spider-Man 299 and then Spider-Man

what was the other Spider-Man film the Spider-Man TV show uh unleashed you show oh Yeah, that rings a bell. Was it unleashed?

It was something like that. Unlimited? Ultimate Spider-Man? Ultimate Spider-Man. Spider-Man 299. There's other Spider-Man TV shows. There was a Spider-Man Unlimited as well, yeah. Was, okay.

Well, I was technically correct. The best kind of correct. But that's, you know, we don't need a reboot of this one. Because they already happened. Do something different. Surprises that way. Yes. I would concur with that.

Do you have any other closing thoughts on the Spider-Man 1994 television show? No. Nothing? I mean, what more can we say? We've, you know, espoused how much we loved the show and how good it could be. you know.

What do you think was your favorite voice actor on that? I mean, Mark Camel. Yeah, fair enough. I love Spider-Man. Who did the voice of Spider-Man? He did a great job. That was a gentleman by the name of Christopher Daniel Barnes. He did a great job.

Yeah. I thought that's worth point. He did a great job. But when you watch that show, if anybody is listening to this and it has inspired them to go back and watch the old 90s Spider-Man TV show, you'll be amazed at how good the voice act it is. Like the hobgoblin, the kingpin, shocker, hydraman,

Carnie, Vannam, just Dr. Octopus, they're so good. They're really like, they're really good. Just pay like extra attention to how good those guys are. The voice director is very, very, very good. I don't know who their voice director was in that show, but that shit's fucking

on point. Yeah. Everybody hits their mark correctly. So I think I think that would be my closing point. If I was to put a bow on this

show, I would say listen to the voice act in that show. it's um sometimes because it's from the 90s the animation can be a little bit hit or miss shall we say but the voice acting makes up for it it it's on point it draws you in

it's worth watching the show it's fucking unbelievable man um do you have any other closing statements uh i think um on that point

we should just cut to the usual plugs. Okay. Well, since Corey isn't here, I'm going to promote Corey's larger cup.

Yep. It's his podcast where he talks about just life. He talks about all sorts of stuff. He doesn't really have a designated topic. He just talks about whatever comes to his head. They post it and then uploads it and we can all listen to it. It's a wonderful show. It's really interesting.

You should listen to it, subscribe to it on Spotify. John, I'm obligated to ask you what your film count is at right now. It is at 68. Wow, what was the last film you watched? It was Immaculate, starring Sidney Sweeney as a nun who gets impregnated by some crazy religious people. who are trying to, I guess, like bring back Jesus through sort of cloning or something.

I don't know. It was weird, but I enjoyed it. It sounds weird. Not going to lie. It sounds pretty weird. Have you seen a new Phantom film? I have not seen it yet. No, but I've heard terrible things about it.

It's so weird. I just, before we started the show, I went on the Facebook and it was from like a, you know, Facebook shows you adverts you don't want to see. Mm-hmm. Shows you stuff. And one of the average is for a review that screen rant did where they were very optimistic about the benefit film.

Oh, wow. I'm like, interesting. How much money did they pay you for that? Yeah. Because from what I heard, it wasn't good. Well, we'll see how that goes. Yes. We'll see how that goes.

I don't do anything so I have I don't promote not even Exploity plays There's no point We'll be big in this up Since we brought this show back Right And when did we bring this show back

Like March Something like that yeah Because I went to wrestling media in April Oh yeah That's true yeah So we're talking before March I haven't uploaded the goddamn thing That show

I have stopped recorded. I haven't uploaded any of it. So if you want to go to ExplodyPlays at YouTube.com, you can subscribe. You might find something. If you don't find something, don't worry about it. There's plenty of old some things to watch, though. There's a lot of old shit to watch.

Corey was watching some of them. He would have liked them. There you go. Which is really sweet of him. I like how he's the, only want to watches my videos. I mean, it's very sweet. Thank you very much, Corey.

I appreciate that. He's going to listen to this in the editing, and I'm going to say, thank you very much, Corey. And then I'd like, he's going to say, oh, don't worry about it, but I won't hear it. But you know he's going to say it. No, he's going to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But he's a nice man. And that's why you should listen to his show, large old cup on Spotify. Please listen to it. It's pretty good. Subscribe to it. Give him more followers. It's worth listening to.

He's a smart man. Indeed. Smart man. I think that's it, right? Anything else you want to plug? Do you want to talk about your book? No. Where's it coming out?

20-20-never. Oh, look forward to that, fellas. Look forward to that. It's going to be a barnstormer when that one comes out. It's going to be, he's going to make fun of so many people. people in Hollywood. It's going to be unbelievable. You're going to watch it.

A lot of stories. A lot of true stories you have with real rock stars. You know what you mean? Dishing the dirt. He lives a life, man. Live the life. Yeah. It'll be unbelievable.

My book's already available. It actually is. It really is. You can go on to Amazon. And you can find it. I forgot what's it called? The Wacky World of the Wonderful. world of cap and exploding.

There you go. If you Google that, no, if you go to Amazon. com slash Amazon, like, code of UK

slash whatever culture you live in, you can find a book. I've been getting, I feel like somebody has been reading it because I kept getting 1P royalties from Amazon.

Oh, wow. So I have, I have made like 3P off Amazon the last two months. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. So somebody,

thank you. So many must have been reading it because you can do you put it up as a book or as a Kindle so someone you must be reading it as a kiddle or have looked at it as a Kindle and then just turned it off again I don't know they got one P I got two three three P I think I think you got three P for it as long as they download it then it sounds like you get at least one P I mean I'll if I get more than one P that would be nice but you know what? see how it goes. Yeah.

Well, I'll keep you guys updated in the next episode. I think that's it. Thank you very much for listening to the show. This was without Corey, who normally reams us in and keeps us in check. I see us. I mean, me more. Does I have a tendency to ramble, which I did about ban on him for like 20 minutes.

That's okay. Corey's going to cut that bit out. Oh, he cut all out. Yeah, yeah. This is podcast is going to be like seven minutes long. But yes, thank you very much for listening. We really appreciate it. Follow us, subscribe. We're on YouTube. Smart Avengers. Spotify.

Smart Avengers. Follow, subscribe. Tell all your friends. Anything else you want to say before we close things up, John? Nope. Great. Well, then I think that's the show. thank you very much for listening. We will see you next week for some more comic book-based shenanigans.

So thank you very much for listening and goodbye. Bye. Goodbye. I know it was pretty good. Yeah.