The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 46: The Smark Avengers (Minus One) Talk About X-Men Irritations

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

It's another week and another show minus Jon. Have no fear, though, as Corey and Dylan provide you with the very first video episode (look up Smark Avengers on Youtube)! Gaze upon their sweet faces as the pair prove once more that this is NOT an X-Men podcast. Join Corey and Dylan as the Smark Avengers discuss their X-Men related pet peeves as well as count how many times Dylan burps into the microphone!

Hey, everybody. Welcome to Smart Avengers. My name is Corey. And with me is Dylan. John is not joining us today once again. He's a lot of issues John has, you know. Well, because of the holidays, they've extended visitation to his children. His family life is falling apart. It really is. I mean, two of them are very, very well confined to a particular area. Well, I would say those two are not doing very well.

They're in the best place for them to be, though. Listen, they've got free food. Sure. But maybe mentally, they're not where they need to be. No. They have other stuff on their minds. Mainly that they're out of their minds. Correct.

And all of the crimes that because of how out of the minds they are that they're committing. So many crimes. And then John has to deal with that. And he's like, I don't want to have to deal with the crimes of my children. When I'm already dealing with the crimes that I commit myself. Yeah. You know, but I mean, in a way, it's nicely kept it in the family. Yeah, well, I mean, as you can tell, if you're watching this is the first time we've ever done video recording.

John, of course, is not here because he doesn't want to incriminate himself. Whenever you see us doing this video podcast, you will see me and Corey, who are either free of crimes or unafriate of all the crimes we committed. I'm like, you'll never catch me. They've never caught me yet. You'll never catch me, ego. So, John is very afraid of the police figuring out his identity for the multitude of crimes that he has committed and has yet to commit. And that's just him. Not just talking about obviously all the criminal acts that is his criminally insane children have committed or planned to commit.

I don't know much about his wife. That's one. Slash-ex-wife. Put that in the corner. I tried to break away from the mic, but I should have just leaned into it. I was talking about John, his wife, possibly ex-wife. We don't know.

John won't tell us. And that's his right. He doesn't have to tell us. There's no reason that he, I mean, we were at the wedding, obviously, when he got married. Well, yeah, and we ran his background whenever we hired him into the show. So, you know, we know what's there. But we weren't out of his divorce.

So I don't know, I don't think you invite people to a divorce. I don't think so. Well, I mean, there's divorce huge. hearings and that's usually in a court setting. Some people attend those. Well, we didn't. He didn't invite us. Do you get invited for that or?

I know, no. I asked him about it and in typical John fashion, he's like, must have gotten lost in the post. But that's the thing. I don't know if they're property divorced or if it's just like a rocky patch. Because people go through that, you know that. People go through tough times. And I don't know if he's like, maybe he'll pull it around.

Like, God, he needs a win. God bless me needs a win. He really does. John really actually doesn't need a win. No? We need them to stop getting wins is our issue with him. Exactly, because he stole all my Spider-Moy guys in the auction. He did.

He did. And then he made you spend the rest of your money for carnage. Which is, I would say, a dick move. Like 47 bucks, yeah. Worth it. Carnage would kill him. Almost half of your money was spent to carnage. Do I get loads of those guys?

I actually had like a pretty good list. So I think I had the most people because I was spending like pennies. Yeah, but I'm like, dude, if I want carnage, like I'm going to pay big bucks for him. And I was really lenient. I gave him like, who did they give him? Goblin? You gave him Green Goblin, yeah. Yeah.

And I'm like, well, what kind of deal? And his deal was fuck you. I'm like, well, I'm going to remember this. I'm going to remember this. Oh, you know, I won't draw. I won't. I remember because the other auction there was like something like that happened to. It was like, well, I'm not going to drive up the price.

You know, and he immediately jumped at like $16. What I've heard is it, John, you can't trust him. No. No. No, can't trust him. And he seems like he's always a nice guy. Oh, blah. But as we've established, A, convicted.

Well, we don't have he's convicted. Definitely, definitely a criminal. Definitely a criminal. B, criminally insane children. C, may or may not be going through a divorce. That's not his fault. I can't. Well, maybe it is his fault.

We don't know. Relationships are hard. They are hard, but also if you're a career criminal and your children are criminally insane, I could see why I won't be like, I'm good, man, I'm good. Your priorities are very, they're in different places than they should be at that point. You don't care about me. All you care about is all the crimes you do. And he's like, shut off, but he's committing.

Yeah, you know. And he's sitting there trying to think away to scream me over. What? When was the last time you took me somewhere nice? Yeah, when did we go ice skating? And he's like, God damn, and I don't like ice skating. and he throws the cop-upiter. Okay.

We progressed. We had two very different... Oh, I'm in America, so that's actually, you know, violence is where we just go. Yeah, but you guys would shoot each other. Over here, we would stop each other. That's true. You know, get ready to that counter.

There you go. That's a beautiful one for you. That's too. if you guys are listening to this on Spotify a lot of this won't make any sense but because we're now doing a video podcast on YouTube you should check us out on YouTube

that's three you can now comment how many times I burp into the microphone which I've decided to do for the pleasure of the YouTube audience I think that you guys deserve a little bit of fun

and I'm here to provide that fun you know yeah that's fun is it maybe guys on the comments tell me if you think it's fun that I burp all the time

or tell me if you think is very unprofessional because I am not a professional so I mean look at the both of us I think now that we can see one another we are very obviously the most professional people

in the world we got microphones I can't see your microphone my microphone is front and center oh look at you with your fucking cat's got microphone Is it what the call out of cat guts? I think isn't it the thing

The muffler over the top of the microphone is a catgut Oh, maybe I think that's what they call it I need to get a new one though Because it does have a short in it I can hear you in this year but not this year You need your headphones No, I tried that

It's not the headphones I think it's the headphones Then I bought two headphones With the exact same problem Maybe you should buy a difference A headphones Maybe I'm just coming up with ideas

You're the idea man of the group Clearly That's why we have that T-public store On that note Like said this is another Spark Avengers Minutes 1 John can't be with us For reasons we've spent nine minutes now disclosing We talked about that extensively

Yes And the crimes I cannot wait for him to listen to that We're going to be right at the top of his hit list Why did you wait until I took a drink Before you said that So anyway, today, a pretty simple format because we're, again, we are not an X-Men podcast. But, but we love the X-Men.

We're going to talk about the X-Men. And the X-Men. It's one of those areas where we kind of like merge a little bit. It is true. Like, there's not a whole lot of topics at all three of us know a lot about it, but we all love the X-Men. And that's because they're kick ass. Yeah. So, like, I've always been the D.C. guy.

and like you're very much a Spider-Man guy and John is a little bit everywhere. Yeah, John, there's a lot of stuff, man. Yeah, so like the X-Men is that one part of the circle graph where we all just link. Yeah, I wonder, like, why it is. Do you think it is because the whole point of the X-Men was that, like, they were supposed to represent

like a marginalized group of people ostracized from the world? And three white men were also very marginalized, is what you're thinking? That's not what I was going to say. Okay. Is that three kind of like nerdy guys who like have her own like opinions and probably don't fit it. Like I'm going to say this. I don't know if this applies to you or John the criminally insane. We don't know if he's coming to insane.

No. But he is a criminal. But like, you know, oftentimes I feel like I don't fit in anywhere. Especially we're around here. Novelin is a very small place. And I used to go out like a sore thumb. And you obviously feel like kind of kind of. with the X-Men because you're like, well, I'm a bit of another set or two.

And I feel like that's to say, obviously, like you said, we're three very privileged white men. In that respect, maybe not so much. But in, like, more philosophical terms, like, you know, the people that we are, we don't spend in with society as much as maybe we should. Why, we're the sickos, but not really the sickos because that's a whole... I don't want to be in the sicker. With the weirdos, but not the sickos.

Exactly. I like that separation. What the fuck? I don't know. It's a Skype function. I have the... I play this as dragons with a group of people on Discord, and Discord does the exact same fucking thing.

For anybody that doesn't know what we're talking about on Spotify, I was just waving my hand around, and then to put a little emoji of a thumbs up on my screen. I don't know why. I'm going to keep waving my hands around just to see if it happens again. We will find out. That's why he said, what the fuck? This, this whole video thing is, is that it could cause us a lot of problems.

Spotify is going to be like, what the fuck? I think it would be great. And all that's is that Spotify is like, hey, you should just watch this in YouTube then. Fuck Spotify. We don't get paid from Spotify. I don't think we do. We don't, well, we don't run ads. So, of course.

We don't get paid on YouTube either, but the potential is there. Whereas on Spotify, I know what you get paid on Spotify. 10ies What's a conor at? Because it's that's four to I right Or five four You're right You're going to have to keep a tally of this

Because it's going to be a lot more coming It's going to get real bad So So to divert us back onto the path I feel like somehow Like being able to see each other Is going to make it even Even like easier to get off the beaten trail

I don't know why I feel that is I think it's whenever we do like minus one episodes it's so easy to just not there's all because when we do the three of us there's always somebody that's like we gotta get back on track here but when it's just two people

it's like ah just like it's like it's like one of us is a teacher I think well I was also already drunk when he did that one but like I feel like there's definitely like one of us is a teacher and let's be honest

it's either you or John it's not me that brings shit back on track. Somebody is like the teacher, like, okay, that's enough dick and a rhyme. And if one of those two people is missing, it's way too easy for me to just abuse my position of power and start dicking around. You know? It's, that's just... I will tell you that as somebody who has spoken to some people who listen to the show, you are a fan favorite.

I'm going to make you do spit take on cameras. happening apparently. A fan favorite. Yeah. I feel like I don't know, but that. I'm like the Kramer? Yeah, you're the Kramer. Is that a good thing?

I don't know. Just don't do stand-up in New York after the show ends. I have a great idea. If somebody hackles me, I know exactly what this. No? You haven't heard it yet. though. I have a feeling I know.

It's really funny. All right. You had to be there. You had to be there. Yeah. Okay. Wait. What do we have four?

There we go. How well are these coming through? They're crisp. Dude, we're only like fucking 50 minutes in and a birth five times. Yeah, but he's ever hitting double digits quickly. So. I'm going to get there. I'm going to triple digits.

There you go. So because we are not an X-Men podcast, but we enjoy the X-Men. We have obviously read a lot of X-Men or consumed X-Men in one capacity or other, whether it's video games, television shows or movies. Of course, being the kind of people that we are and being critics of things, we find things to pick apart. Stuff that happens a little too frequently that we don't care for or what have you. So this episode, because it's a minus one, and we're kind of throwing. off a regular kind of programming. I thought it would just be fun to kind of go over

some pet peeves in the X-Men world that you may have. You want me to start? I mean, I can start if you would like. I think you should start and then I will hear what you have to say and then come up with an answer based on whatever your thing was. I think that's how most

conversations go, yes. That is the way. I have no opinions of my own but I hear somebody else is a thing. I go, oh, I have a thing to say about that. And then that's how I make friends. And that's why I have no friends. Don't rob me. I don't want your pity.

All right. So my first pet peeve on the X-Men world is, I cannot stand it when they put Juggernaut on the X-Men lineups. It bothers. Bothers to show. On the X-Men. Yeah. He's not a mutant. Yes.

He was their enemy for the longest time. He's more interesting as an enemy. And there are other characters that can provide. provide the same service that he does because he's just the strength guy on the team Colossus. Colossus, easily. I mean, even then, you could be like, strong guy. He's literally

in the name. Strong guy. True guy. Boy, strong guy. Is he still a demon lord? I don't know. I think he can back out of hell, I think. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, Krokoa. There's only so long you can be the Lord of Hell for it. Before you go,

I need something bigger. Yeah, I think Mepesto is Lord of Hell again. Yeah, well, did he beat up Strong Guy? Probably not. No, I think he took it from Johnny Blaze. Johnny Blaze beat Strong Guy? Did Strong Guy just give it up? I think he just gave it up.

Coward. I agree with you. I'll be honest with you, dude. I totally and this is exactly what I said where I hear somebody else say an opinion and then I piggyback off that with my own opinion. I agree with that. I would go further with that and say that

most villains. appearing on the X-Men I don't like because it's it's either one of two things it's either like a really insincere like redemption story or it's like a double cross right so like well and to kind of to interrupt for a second it usually one leads to the other it's I'm gonna try to redeem myself but fuck you I'm not right so like I know like mystique has like dabbled in like being on the X-Men team sometimes, dude, we all know Mystique's gonna look at for Mystique. Like, that's not Dickeroyne.

Yeah, exactly. And I don't mind that. I think that's a really good dynamic that Mystique loves destiny, Destiny loves Mystic. Love it. But we know this. Why don't everybody else know that? You know?

And the Juggernaut, let's see him like the juggernaut. Like, dude, the juggernaut has beat the shit out of the X-Man a hundred times. Why do you think that a hundred and one time, like, oh, he's good night? Oh, great. Don't worry about it. You know?

And that's why I always, and this is John a second like this, but I always hate it. Listen, if by this point John hasn't already hated the podcast, I'll be surprised because we've told a lot of his secrets. He's got his notebook out, and we just took our names from the middle of the list of people to get to the top. So to piggyback off what you were talking about with the juggernaut being on the X-Men I really

don't like Magneto being in the X-Men I don't like it because in the 80s they did the gimmick where Magneto like kind of changed his tune and became the de facto

leader of the X-Men but the whole point of that storyline was you saw the difference in relationship between how Xavier would run the X-Men and how Magneto runs the X-Men and Magneto run the X-Men the way he ran the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants.

Like you can see that he's not a good teacher, but he's a good leader. Do you know what I mean? Right? And that dynamic was great because you understood a lot more about Magneto and you understood why he would go back to being a villain after that because he felt that he wasn't able to give the students

the right mentorship that they deserved because he didn't know how to do that. that. He wasn't that guy. He's the bad guy. He's the villain. And I, for a long, long time, have just opposed the entire idea of Magneto being a good guy

because he's not a good guy. And the longer they tease him, or, well, it's not a tease anymore. He, he's straight up in the X-Li-Ulis right now. Yeah, Marlap have, like, accepted by now that he is a straight-up good guy.

And I'm like, well, why? hi what part of Magneto has changed where he's like you know what humanity's great I've changed my entire life view that's the problem is he never he never comes around to that like when Magneto is like a member of the X-Men or whatever it's always coming from a place of like we have to protect our own you know endangered species kind of like kind of stuff he's never like he's never turned to the X-Men for the sake of like I'm going to be a better person it's always like you know we've established crocoa

and I'm going to lead crocoa or like now the mutants are endangered because we lost croce and due to orcus and now like my body's giving up on me because I was resurrected which happens which happens but yeah that was oddly enough

that's the exact same team the juggernauts on so that team has juggernaut and Magneto on it who's right in that team I think Stegman that's not the that's not the That's not the Gail Simone team. No, no, no.

The Gail Simone team is a little more classic. Gail's, that's like a team specific about this. But the Gail Simone team, pretty tight, pretty classic, pretty standard, pretty X-Men. Yeah? Yeah. And then the other one is like, like, like, Nogneil and then Jogad, you're like, well, I mean. So here's, here's, this is the lineup of this team. They all have something in common.

and actually they all have something gone. So you have Cyclops who had his momentary heel turn, where he was like Phoenix guy and then like was, the Cyclops was right motif, where even Magnetia was like, hell yeah, Scott Summers, you know what you're doing now. So you got him. You got Beast who, former villain essentially,

even though it's a little bit talk. Don't even talk to me. You've got Magic who is a lord of limbo. and a demon Quentin Quire who is a former terrorist Oh boy I love being a former terrorist

I've changed I hate Idy who was one of the Generation Hope characters she was also like she was part of like that book that was all about

Sabretooth being stuck in the the hells of Krakawa so like she was somebody who had committed a crime that they threw her in prison essentially juggernaut. And then you have Quanan, the Quanan, Silak, who's an assassin. So, like, the Scott Summers' X-Men lineup are all

full of people who are, like, former villains. Yes. You can see that. Like, they're clearly, like, a troubled past. But then, like, what was the Gil Simone group? Well, so, Gell Simone, like I said, is classic. Because she has Gamut, clearly a former troublemaker.

Rogue. She has rogue, a former troublemaker. Wolverine. But for it. I could consist of troublemaker. All right. But then the other two throws that whole argument off out of place because one of them is jubilee. Former vampire.

She tried. She was a vampire. Yeah. And then nightcrawler. I would say a vampire is a troublemaker. Yeah. And then night crawler. Yeah, he's good.

Don't wait about it. Yeah. He's all right. So like we're going back to the mystique thing. It always is interesting to me that like mystique is like, oh, rogue, my, my daughter. I need to have, like, I need to protect rogue rogues, my angel. And then it is just like Nightcrawler, whose only crime is just being Nightcrawler is like fucking loathed by his mother.

Because they put out that like one shot like X-Men Blue that was all about the origin where it was revealed that Nightcrawler's parents are mystique and destiny. That mystique was in a male form and impregnated destiny. Which I love. Yeah, that was a great twist. But she was still abusive and shitty to him after. words. It's like, man, I don't understand why you hate Nightcraw so much.

He's literally the most lovable X-Men. I think that was six. That was a quiet one. I burped a little bit, but I'm going to count that. Because Chris Columant always wanted to write that into his books. He said that was one of the things they wouldn't

let him do was the mistake destiny thing. So obviously kind of tiptoed around that. But I'm like, dude, that actually makes the most sense. If you have a relationship between destiny and like a shape-shifting mutant, like, why wouldn't that be a thing? Yeah. But it makes total sense.

It's so weird that Marvel would be like, no, that doesn't make any sense. I'm like, that doesn't make any sense? What the fuck? You think Captain Mergue being trapped in ice for 17 years is great? I mean, let's point out like, we'll just call it the elephant in the room. It was like 1980s Marvel. And not only are you dealing with the aspect of like a lesbian couple being the mother of nightcrawler, but also like the gender politics of like mystique in general just switching between male and female forms like it doesn't fucking matter anyway. Yeah.

But having the biology to impregnate someone while in a male form. Yeah. Like, yeah, I could see Marvel, 1980s Marvel going, I don't know if we want to open up that can of worms. Because I mean, you saw how they handled the whole genocide thing with Gene Gray where like Chris Claremont's like, yeah, but we're going to turn her back. and they were like, she killed an entire solar system. We're going to tear her back. It's going to be fine. I don't know what you're worried about.

But that was his problem there where you're like that that was that was him being incorrect. Yes. It's saying we'll just turn it back. Can't do that. Whereas I have the flip side argument with the McNeino thing. Whereas like that's why it's so hard for me to buy McNeino as a good guy because you're like, well, look at the shit he did. as a bad guy.

He had years and years and years of him being a terrible... That was part of the thing that Graham Morrison said. You're familiar with this bit. Yeah. You talked about previously because John wasn't crazy about it. We have talked about this. And I loved that they did that with Magneto because that was part of the Magneto thing.

He is so, like, crazy and hell-bent on showing that meetings are the right thing to do, that he, like, inadvertently does the thing. that he hates the most, which was obviously he was in a concentration camp, and then during Grant Marston's run, he ends up concentrating humans into camps because he thinks that's the right thing for them to do. He doesn't see the irony in him doing that because he just thinks that's the right thing to do. And I'm like, well, that's Magneto, perfectly encapsulated. Like, that is it. That makes the most sense to me. And then whenever Wolverine kills him, it's justified. It's a hundred percent justified.

And I don't remember the correct quote. We can probably look it up. You and me can look this up. But Morrison was asked about that at some point. And he said something like, because obviously whenever this happened, the films were happening at the time. And they were doing very well. And Marvel said, we don't really want Magneto to be dead.

And Morrison was like, fuck you. and so they brought him back, obviously they brought Magneto back very quickly after that with no explanation. But somebody asked Grant Morrison with this and he said something along the lines of Magneto was a cunt, he deserved it. And I'm like, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. If you look at the history of Magneto up until Grant Morrison, he was a terrible person. And then obviously what he did in Grant Morrison's run was so, like, well played. and then ended up being like a horrible man.

It all makes sense. At some point, Magneto did deserve to atone for his sins, right? And I think the atonement of his sins in being, oh, Zorn was not Magneto. It's a different guy. And he died, so the real Magneto was still alive. There's not a good way to atone for those sins. Even despite the Grand Martian stuff, he still did shit before that. Yeah.

That he did, that Zorn did. didn't do. So you have the quote? I do have the quote. So just to put it out there, he does not say Magneto was a cunt and he deserved it. Just so we put that out there. I thought he, I was sure he said the word cunt. What he says is what people often forget, of course, is that Magneto, unlike the lovely Sir Ian McKellen, is a mad old terrorist twat. Oh, okay. No matter how he justifies his stupid, brutal behavior, or how anyone else tries to justify. it. In the end, he's just an old bastard. Okay, so he used

different swear words. I was sure he used the word, obviously he said the word twat. But you can see where I'm coming from. Yeah, I just want to say like, in America, that's one of those like hard words that people are like, hmm, I don't know if you should say that.

I am familiar with this. I know this for a bag. I knew this, but I come from Ireland, we're at this board. Yeah, and it's a little, it's not as much a big deal. Banded the road a lot. We can't give a fuck. We say that word a lot.

Here in Scotland, we say it a lot. But the sentiment is there. I just had a reminder of when we were doing the episode on like the 90s Batman movies. Seven. We were doing the 90s Batman movies and you guys found out that Danny Dyer was somebody who was being considered for Robin. and just John going, hey there, you, cunt. I was like, whoa. Not that far away.

He does do that. Daddy fucking dire. It's pretty good. So anyway. Does that kind? I'll give it to you. Eight. All right.

So basically, what we don't like, I mean. So let's, I'm going to introduce another one to you, okay? because we talked about, hold on. I wanted to like, we're not ending it yet. No, no, no. I wanted to put like a break in that because they need to go take a piss for it. So I wanted to have a clean ending for you to like cut. Sure.

We'll see if I cut it. Should I, should I even cut or should I just stay here and just piss myself? Listen, man, I'm not a cop. You do what you want. Do cops arrest you for that? Public urination, usually. But they're pissing yourself. Like, I don't.

I mean, that's me, that's on me. I don't know, man. Do you mean? Yeah. Like, if you pissed in a street corner, fair enough, you pissed yourself, you did that to you. So here's the thing. The more you're talking about it,

the more I'm inclined just to leave all of this in. Okay. Well, if you do leave it in, that would make sense why you'd be making a little cut. Okay. get on contact. Did you hear that? I did hear that. You made a face that made it seem like you heard that. I did.

All right. To jump back in, so we've kind of went over, and this actually just might be the whole episode, just talking about like villains being brought in his heroes, considering we're like 33 minutes in at this point. I mean, that's a good, well, 20 minutes that was us talking about John. Yeah. I'm 15. I mean, but we're talking about a villain turning to a hero. John's our hero. He's our villain. I'm trying to redeem it so he didn't kill us

He kill all those people I'm trying to make sure he didn't kill us He'll never kill us He'll never find me He might kill you I mean good luck America's very big Yeah but my house is really hard to find

There you go Maybe he won't kill either of us Why would he were his best friends Yeah we're like family But we're not criminally insane No we're not his family because Obviously his family is Genetics yeah

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so we've talked about, like, we've talked about like juggernaut becoming a member of the X-Men for some fucking reason, even though, A, he's not a mutant, that's the big factor. B, like, his entire characterization was kind of built around how much he hated his fucking brother or his stepbrother. Right.

I just didn't like they lost that. I liked that whole idea of, like, childhood trauma affected both of them very differently, they were Xavier was also abused by the dad. But, like, he, like, made it work. You know, like, he processed it healthfully. But that's one of the things we're talking about is, like, I hit that idea that, like, they have this redemption arc and they, like, forget a lot of the old shit that made them the characters they are.

And, like, it's, dude, redemption arcs aren't just as simple as saying, oh, one day he woke off and he was like, oh, I'm going to save children. And I don't like being a villain anymore. That's not the way it is. Because if you look at the juggernaut, he was, like, he was. always a guy that had his own set of morals. Like, he was always a bad guy, but he loved, like, Black Tom Cassidy.

He would do anything for that guy. They were best friends. Are you saying that a man who is, like, a really close connection to somebody else is a bad guy? Yes, because that's sheads of gray. He's allowed to have his own moral problems, and then also, like, be a villain or a good guy. Like, just showing some emotion

doesn't automatically turn you to a good guy. That's not how that works. So you actually gave me a really great opening because the other type of let's turn this villain into a hero is you take a villain and then turn him into a comedy hero. Black Tom Cassidy is kind of a joke in like the Karkoa area. Because like his old deal, oh my God, yeah, like his whole deal was like, I think he was like technically a member of X-Force, but his whole deal, nine.

nine don't they'll upset John oh because how much he goes Magneto I don't yes correct

yeah that's it so so anyway so Black Tom Cassidy's whole deal was like he was connected to because his powers are like wood based essentially that he was connected to Krakawa

and was like Krokoa's security officer because you could connect in yeah you could connect into the earth and like since disruptions and disturbances. But he made him like kind of pathetic in Pippsum. Like the idea that stretching himself that thin was making him a little loony. And then like the other one is like when they started the during this, was it the schism when Cyclops and Wolverine split?

Yeah, I think that was schism. Yeah. So it was like right after the Phoenix saga where Cyclops and some other people. got Phoenix powers. And Wolverine started the Gene Gray Institute because Wolverine, in his weird boner for Gene Gray, that's never going to go away. Even in death, he was still pining over her.

Like, when they were bringing in characters to be teachers and stuff, they had Toad, but he was the janitor. He was the janitor, yeah. Yeah, and it was just like make a joke out of Toad. And listen, it's not that difficult to make a joke out of Toad. He's Toad for God's sake. No, that's the thing about Toad. And I like, the problem with Toad was that, like, obviously, like, way back in the day, he was clearly a joke because, like, look at the fucking state of him.

But then they modernized Toad, and you're like, well, he actually is kind of cool now. I like, I like him being a more modern character. Whenever he was, like, way back in the day, he was, like, this weird medieval, like, Arropleas, strange fucking gesture. Like, it didn't make any sense. But when they modernized, you'd be like, well, I like this. This toby has a bit of an attitude. He's a bit sassy. He's not like so downtrodden.

I like that. And I didn't like the idea of, I mean, like, if he's a janitor in the Gene Gray thing, like he's still the lackey. Like, he's not getting any character development. He's just a lackey in a different location. No, his characterization was his romance with Husk, who, yeah, like, he had a romance angle with Husk,

and it was, like, kind of written out that Husk, that Husk was kind of not right in her own head because I guess her powers being that she rips her skin off and she has a new set of powers underneath it. I do that every day. Rip my skin off. Yeah. Makes me feel alive.

So anyway, yeah, like that was, so they had like a relationship and it was like Husk was the one pursuing it and Toad was kind of like weirdly apprehensive about the whole thing. It's just like a weird take. Yeah. Yeah. Well, then, like, you have, like, Piro joining the Marauders, and, like, he has, like, a full face tattoo now of, like, a skull. Yeah, yeah. Like, so Pyrro has a tattoo of a skull on his face.

But wasn't Pyrro always a bad guy? Piro was always a bad guy. But Marauders was the Jerry Duggan book during the Kukkah era that Kitty Pride was basically, like, a pirate queen. Oh! And Pyrro was a member of her crew. Because, when you say Marauders, I'm like, I know what the Marauders mean. Yeah. The Mr. Sinister group. Yeah, yeah.

So, like, well, that makes sense. Pirate will be the Marauder? Yeah, that makes sense. No, no. So he's a member of the Marauders. Why didn't he give him a different name? A pirate name. The Marauders shouldn't sound like a pirate name.

No, no. And I wouldn't want to be on the team that was associated with the genocide, you know, where they killed the Morlocks. Yeah, that's. Yeah. Yeah. But no, and then now he's a member of X factor. with the face tattoo still

I don't know you know yeah so like so that like those are like the three kind of like jokey characters like oh this villain that used to be a problem is now just a goofball yeah you know what I think that is a big

like pet peeve to be fair like because I think that's worse like juggernaut being on the X-Man you're like well that sucks but at least he's like the juggernaut he's like the juggernaut still beating the shit out of people. Obviously, like you said, somebody else could have filled that role, but at least he's still the

juggernaut. In some manner, they've obviously tweaked his character, but he's still kind of the juggernaut. But if he was the juggernaut, and then, like, every episode he was, like, slipping on a banana skin or whatever, like, oh, whoops, and he knocks himself out and, like, oh, I guess we have to do this fight with him the juggernaut. Like, that shit's

like, that's not funny, but also, like, not to his character. And you've probably see that with a lot of these, like, comedy, X-Men characters. Like, well, why are these guys being the comic relief? You have characters developed

in the X-Men universe that are kind of comic relief anyway. You don't need to... And again, I want to keep doing this. We're going to keep doing this. You and me, Rick and Morty 100 years. We're going to keep talking about it. Grant Morrison's run.

Yeah. If you look at how smart he was with the tears, the divisions that he did, you knew who the X-Men were. You knew who the guys that he wanted. wanted to push were going to be.

So if I can be a smart Avenger for a moment. There you go. You knew who the main inventors were. He knew who Greg Morrison wanted to push as the next set of mean inventors, the mid carters,

the upper mid carters. And then you knew who like the jobbers, the comic relief, the, the base guys were. You had a big, like, this was very clearly established. You knew the X-Men were.

You knew that he had big plans for Quentin Choir and the Step for Cookies and Beak and Angel and stuff like this but you could also tell like guys like Dummy and Basilisk and stuff like this they were like the lower level

guys and that all makes sense you know what you mean like it's a tier list it all makes sense they don't have to be the star of the show but they're there because they add something to it but if you start taking established characters and making them the comic relief or the part of the joke or the silly part of it.

You're like, well, why would you do that with somebody that's already established to not be like that? You don't have to do that, you know? And I think that some guys maybe just get a little bit too hot-headed with the fact that they're writing the X-Men. And again,

with Graham Morrison, we all know that by 2001, there was thousands of X-Men he could have picked. But he invented a lot of his own X-Men because that was the culture at the time. that made sense for him to do that and people don't do that anymore they take established characters and then try to put a twist on them and you're like that's only good if you're benefiting that character if you're adding something to it if you just doing it to include that character because you like them it's not the same so for example like we've talked about strong guy right say you and me were writing some x-man comics and we put strong guy in just because we like him or we put them in because he benefits us story and has a proper role in it or are we doing it because we like strong guy and we've said strong guy

is a good strong guy obviously because this is his name but he's also like established as a good comic foil so there's roles for him to do that in and that's what i don't like about the whole like him being the lord of hell or whatever because you're like that's going against the two things that he's known for that's not what he does um strong guy is the comic relief and the strong guy those are the Two roles he can fit on any team easily. And at that time in the story, an X factor, they had changed his look. So he didn't have the little

sunglasses anymore. He had like big sunglasses. I love the little sunglasses. Everything about strong guy. The fact that he was so top heavy, his little fucking Tyson kid hairstyle, the little glasses, I love everything about stuff. Shout out to Tyson

kid. Tyson kid with the little fucking puff hair. I was not expecting a Tyson kid reference. But that's it, right? Yeah. Because we're Spock Avengers, guys. If you don't know what Tyson Kid looks like, look them up the little fucking...

Little fringe. Candy cane. What, no, candy, what do you call it? I call it candy floss. What do you call it? Cotton candy. Cotton candy. You call it cotton candy.

Candy floss, a hairstyle on the top of his head, right here. Rest of his head shaved. You can see that on YouTube. It's right here. if you don't know what I'm talking about, right in the top of his forehead. And the rest of head shaved. Yeah. Strong guy had that little like puff on these tiny little glasses on like a giant fucking torso and then tiny dingley legs.

Yep. On everything about Strong guy. I'm like, I love this boy. Yeah. Because I remember his mutant power was that he would like kind of like how Bishop would absorb kinetic energy and then like blast it out in like power beams or whatever. Strong guy would absorb kinetic energy. and he just get bigger. Yes.

But only in the top half. Yeah. His top half would get huge. But he had to get it out within like 90 seconds or whatever. He had to just like beat the shit of people. Yeah. But would you think that's a pet peeve as well then? So you're talking about established guys who like obviously have like this history and a clear character.

And then they like not that they just turn them for no reason, but they just change their character. for no reason. So for example... I got a DC related one for you. That's very, very easy. We'll do that, but I'm just going to establish like the Strong guy thing

because for years, like when he came in the 80s, I think, or before that, definitely the 80s. Strong guy? Like the late 80s? I thought it was like early 90s

because I thought his first appearance was an X factor. I thought that too, but was that to that start late 80s? No, no. Well, I mean,

the Simonson, the Simonson X factor started around that time. But when they switched to the 90s, and they switched to day, like, Havoc being the leader, then that was when strong guy showed up. Okay, okay. Maybe that's what I'm thinking of, man.

But a strong guy for a long time, like had that established, like I said, he was a strong guy, but he was also the comic relief. And he did both of those things really well. And there was a point where they changed that, and they tried to, like, humanize him a bit more and, like, give him more of a real-ass character. And you're like, you don't have to do this for everybody.

You know, people are allowed to just be. you who they are. You don't have to make them all serious and you don't have to add all of this, like, nuance to them. It's comics. You're allowed to have fun with it. And Strong Guy was a fun character. And I don't like how they, like,

go back in red-com. This is my pet peeve. I don't like how they go back in red-con people. How about that? Was it nine? Oh, we're at 10 now. 10? I don't like how they, like, red-com people to, like, be different from what they used to be. you know what I mean

because strong guy being the Lord of Hell you're like where did that come from and I know that there is like a comic book that's what 11 that's what 11? That's uh that would be 11 hold on you were right by the way that in 1985

he does show up an X factor but he was there as a bodyguard for Lila Cheney yeah yeah so that I was thinking of like his appearance as an actual member of the team okay But his little spick curl isn't white in it.

It's orange. She's a little ginger. Yeah, I don't know if I like that. It's got to be white. That's why. How I'm happy he looks? No, because he's yelling at Cannonball.

Look at that picture. Look at that picture again, right? Look at that picture of Hittus' his face. Yes. Does not look like the body that crying has in the turtles? It does. It does look like Craig's body.

Isn't it exactly the fucking body? It does. I had to explain that to someone recently. They're like, oh, yeah, the little brain guy. I was like, you mean crank? Cray, who like talked by inhaling his air? Oh, I'm grang! Like that.

That's really hard to do. Oh, my God. Speaking while inhaling, yeah. That's so hard. How did that guy do that? Couldn't I? Anyway. So, yeah.

So I think that's a big thing. Like, like, not just like, uh, we talk about villains, like being like, you guys. We talked about like people are kind of changing their, their alliance for no reason. Yeah. Heal the fate. I mean, this is, I was, okay. So, well, I can, I can explain the strong guy one to you because I know. No, I know the reason why.

I don't like it. Okay. That's fair. And if you want to explain it for the people, that's fine. They need to know. because you have been talking about a strong guy for a bit so yeah so so long story short uh layla miller was a member of x factor and when she was introduced layla miller was like a 14 year old girl and she always knew stuff before it was going to happen so people weren't sure like if that was her power or not

and she would say like no it's not my power you know i'm layla miller i i know things i know stuff i know stuff i know stuff and so she gets displaced in time they uh like 50 fucking issues passed Jamie jumps into the future and finds an older Layla And you know Because she had been telling him for years Like oh you and I That's some point they both go into the future But she sends

She stays because his duplicate dies Yeah she sends to you back and she stays And so later on he goes into the future And sees her Yeah he's not going to the future to see her He just ends up in the future Yes It's an alternate future too at that

But anyway So, because for years she had been telling him, like, you at 12, yeah. Christ. So for years she'd been saying, like, you and I are going to get married and Jamie would get really creeped out because she's like a 14 year old girl. Yeah, she was like, fucking 12 or whatever. Yeah. And so then in the future, when he meets older her, he's like, I get it. I get it now.

Turns out you're already hot, but you're not 12. Yeah. Who would think? Anyway, so while in the future, he finds out what Layla's powers really are, and that Layla can resurrect people from the dead, but when they come back from the dead, they don't have a soul anymore. So that's what happened to Strong Guys. He died. She resurrected him, and he was changed because he came back without his soul. And that's how he ends up one way or another from that point on ends up as the demon lord of hell, because now he's kind of darker.

Because he has no soul. It has no soul. And you all know if you have no soul, you're a very dark individual. For example, Elon Musk. Yep. Donald Trump. Yep. Vincent McMahon.

Yep. John. I was waiting to see, like, how long is it going to take before he runs out of ideas with John? So, you know, that's a good one. I have a DC-related one that I don't, I'll hold it because we're specifically talking about X-Men. well i mean well you can cut it if you want you're the editor i was going to say bishop yes oh we have to talk about this this is a thing yes yeah yeah yeah so obviously bishop started off as a good guy and then he had this very important run as a bad guy where he realized that the

problem in his feature where he got put into meeting concentration camps was because at some point, in between his feature and the present that he was in, there was a big uprising that was caused by the birth of Hope Summers, somehow. And once he realized in the present that Hope Summers had been born, he figured this was after House of M. She was the first meeting that was born. Yeah. Bishop was like, okay, that baby is the person.

problem. That baby will end up, that baby sounds like John, that baby has to die. That baby is going to end up being the problem that ends up being the reason that my future ends up the way it happens.

So he kidnaps the baby. There's a lot of shenanigans. People keep throwing the baby around like a football, which is kind of weird. But eventually Bishop ends up shooting I think it's Bishop that shoots Xavier in the head.

Somebody shoots Xavier because they like, I think the way I'm not 100% sure of with this. The way I remember it is Bishop is going to shoot Cable, who is the baby, cable, time slides, and Bishop ends up shooting Xavier. That might not be correct. Okay. But what happens is...

I'm going to hold you to you to you. Because what's more important is the fact that Bishop is trying to kill a baby. but what happens is Bishop chases Cable to try to kill the baby Cable teleports himself into the future with the child and raises the child as his own. Bishop

chases them both and in that timeline erases most of the earth. People don't talk about this. Bishop destroys the earth until only like North America is left and then chases Bishop

or chases Cable through time. through North America, clearly forgetting how big the rest of the world is, compared to North America. Yeah. Like, why didn't this chase him through fucking Russia? That's huge. No, no, no, no. The record at the time is like that would require, I know, cities in Russia. That's easy to beat up.

Of course, Bishop could destroy all of Russia. Easy. No, we're going to focus on North America, which is hard for Bishop to destroy. Because that's the timeline and the zone that he knows the most about. No, no, no. He couldn't destroy that. So there's a period of time where Bishop chases cable hopping through time to try to kill this baby. So he's destroyed most of the earth and is not trying to kill one baby that's grown up into a toddler,

growing up into like a young child, five, six year old child. This goes on for a long, long time. run. A long, long time where they just keep chasing each other and beating the fuck out of each other and just destroying the world. And then at some point, I don't remember how it resolves. Cable and Hope ended up coming back into the past, which is the present. And, but at some point, Bishop comes back too. At some point, Bishop was supposed to be stranded in the future and they just brought it back, whatever. And then they just, they just, brought it back to interact with cable as if nothing ever happened well no no i'm gonna hold you on that one because the last couple of miniseries they've been doing with cable it's been centered on cable and bishop and it they have been addressing that like i don't like you because you tried to kill my surrogate daughter you know they've been they they that's oddly enough one of the few things that they will still remember to address okay well how how recent was that who's writing that

Well, so I don't know if it's going to happen in the new series Timeslide. But so, yeah, there's a Cable and Bishop comic coming out soonish called Time Slide. Yes. But there was this mini series that was taking place during the fall of Krakawa called Children of the Vault. And in that was Cable and Bishop teaming up to take on these, like, this race of people that were going to be superior to the mutants. 12? 13. 13 13 my lucky number uh whichever whatever number you're thinking of add one to it and you go 106 um yeah so anyway yeah so

they have it they did address that that uncomfortable thing where like cable fucking hates bishop wants nothing to do with him but he's like you're like the only military-minded person here that understands that you got to do what you got to do and like that means we're going to We have to work together, but I'm still going to hold fucking reg against you. Right. And that makes sense in that context. Yes. Like recently, that makes sense.

But before that, they did come back together and that, like, nobody, and not just cable, but like no of the other X-Men were like, dude. Try to kill a baby. You kill a baby and I'll have to kill Xavier. Like, what the fuck? Like. Do you remember when Wolverine threatened to kill the time? display Cyclops who was like 13 14 years old. He's like, I could do it right now and I'll save us all bunch of trouble.

The rest of the X-Men are like, I don't know. Like, how come no one's standing on going, hey, this is a 13-year-old kid who doesn't have any idea what the fuck you're talking about? But I think that's a different. That's clearly a different. It's just funny. I mean, it's funny, but like, imagine going to like the 13-0 psychops going, man, I would going to kill you because you're a dick and then go into like the 13 year old bishop

and go, dude you're gonna fucking ravage all of the world to kill a baby. Right? Yeah, it's a little weird. It's a different thing. So yeah, I think that that's like, I don't like that.

Dude, and this is a bug bear I've had for a long time. I'm like, if you're going to turn somebody the way they turn Bishop, I know he was doing it like for the benefit of his own time. But like the way they turned Bishop was so hardcore It was so hardcore It wasn't like zero to a hundred

It wasn't like there's redemption here It was like you're trying to kill a baby And you've destroyed the entire world in order to kill that baby Like that's hardcore that's not dicking around That's real And they just like blazade that They're like, oh he's good now No he isn't

He's not good now He fucked up a lot of stuff of like I always find that shit hard to buy when they try to do that redemption arc. I'm like, the redemption arc only works for like certain people. If you are a cold-hearted asshole, this is what I'm saying. There's only two versions of it. It's either you're a cold-hearted asshole that does a redemptious arc

and we know it's not going to stick, or you're a cold-hearted asshole who does a redemption arc and the writers want it to stick even if their audience don't. and that's the same thing juggernaut and Magneto you know what you mean like you can want it to stick that's fine

it doesn't mean it's going to stick and it doesn't mean to make sense it's just the way you've written it if you keep writing it and that's a pro wrestling thing too we've talked to with this shit before I don't know if you've done this show specifically

probably not but like in pro wrestling if there is a character that the audience don't like but the people who make the decisions do like they're going to keep putting that guy on TV and they're going to keep

making that guy seem like a really good deal. But if the audience don't like him, it doesn't matter how good he is. It doesn't matter the audience don't like him. And that's the same with like all this stuff. It doesn't matter like all the cool stuff you've done with

Juggernaut. We all know the bad stuff he's done. And that's hard to like, we don't forget that stuff. We remember that. Comic book guys, rest of fans, we're big nerds. We remember this shit. It's just the truth. So to kind of go back to that juggernaut thing, like in that comic, like, he has like a weird, like friendly rivalry with magic where they are comparing like, it's very honestly God, Lord of the Rings here, Legolas and Gimley.

We're like they're just constantly picking at one another and are competitive with how many the, like, how many can I beat up before you beat up that many people? So it's like a competition of like who can beat up the most people at the quickest amount of time. Okay. And that's like weirdly enough, like the characterization they've given him. I know they gave him some sort of a speech because a villain called him out for like, hey, you're not a mutant. And he gave something like, oh, the mutants accepted me when no one else did. It's like, I mean no one else accepted you. Like, what are you talking about?

You don't think the humans would have gone to do I want that guy? I don't know. Like, we've never been shown juggernaut failing to interact with regular people. But he doesn't. Juggernaut goes to get a bank loan You know You never see that You never see the juggernaut just be like

Gonna buy a car Yeah Can you guys have like a big car Like a big car I see the juggerna like on the plane I'm like no This is not correct The juggernaut on a plane

Because the juggernaut can't He couldn't be on a plane Wouldn't work He's too big You know Yeah But they're like Well just riding the car

Like you don't have to write that I didn't know. New pet peeve. I get tired of getting introduced to new young mutants. There are so many they get introduced and they do fucking nothing

with them and then they just get forgotten. Well, that's the pet peeve is that they keep introducing new mutants and then those new mutants do fucking nothing. And again, to go back to the grandmars and thing, he introduced a lot of new mutants

that he thought were going to be really impactful. And then all of them pretty much, With a few exceptions. Quentin Quentin Choir. Pretty important. And Stepard Cooker is kind of stuck alive.

But all the other ones, he thought Beak was going to be a big guy. He clearly thought Beak was going to do something. Beak, oddly enough, turned up in a couple of series. One series was after the M-Day situation, a human beak. Yeah, he was depowered. Yeah, he was in new mute. Or new mutants, new warriors. New warriors.

And then he had a storyline in the Crocoa era new mutants where it was like him and Angel and their children. And like people were protecting them. That's nice. Yeah. But like really like the big storyline fell apart because nobody wanted to do anything but beak. Yeah. I'm like that's what happens with the toy chest. you know like we we talk about that about how like whenever new writer comes in they have the toy chest you know yes

and this is all the toys that you can have and you can introduce your own toys but the obligation is that when your storyline ends you put all the toys back the toy chest people hate that but it's somebody has to play with those toys but if they don't play with the toys nope doesn't matter does matter ross fuck you know because i think like i said it's like my my big pet peeve was uh bryan michael benda's doing that to superman and loa his son John, who was like a 12-year-old boy, then he aged him up to 16, 17 years old, and then he left the book. So now there's, like,

there's tons of, like, Superman-esque characters in D.C. And when you take away something that's unique about them, it just adds to, like, all right, cool, here's another person of the Kryptonian powers. Whereas, like, a 12-year-old, like, little kid who's, like, learning how to use his powers and his best friend is Batman's asshole, 13-year-old son. Like, if only he just said his best friend is bad by my's asshole.

That's weird. That's weird. That's weird. But I put it to stop to that. But anyway, so like that, that's what I'm talking about. Like, you put the toys away. And Grant Morrison put the toys away. And just so happened, people took him back out.

And some instances decided that they were just going to undo whatever he did, right? Instead of, like, continuing continuity. Because that's one of the things I love about Grant. and is very much like, all right, here's the continuity. This is everything that came before. Here's what I'm going to do with it. And the expectation is you're going to do the same thing that I just did. I'm going to honor what came before, but I'm going to do my own thing.

Yes. And I don't like how everybody else after grab bars and says, fuck that. And really, it really, like, that's the thing about that X-Men run is that everything after that was like, I'll just do whatever I want. Like, no. Yeah. Do what he want to follow the trail. He lapped you, like, the easiest. trail to follow follow the

trail and that shit grinds me a lot that's a pet fief like obviously like writers have a limited amount of time to tell their story and they will tell a big story and then that you know

that whenever they're passing a torch for the next guy they're going to go listen these are the threads I didn't get to wrap up in my time but I've left them open and most people will wrap up a lot of the threads and it's a fresh start. But some people wrap some of the threads and go,

listen, there's a couple of these still dangling. You figure it out, like, do you put your twist on it? You do what you want to do on it because you're a different writer. You can do something cool with it. And then the writer's like, ah, fuck that. And then it's like, that's the end of it. And I hate that.

I hate like, I think there should be a much easier transition between writers because it always feels like it's a fresh start every single time. it's like that's the end of this and here is this and i'm like well they should you know why is the vulture in this set of comics different from the vulture in this set of comics you should be able to transition them and learn from what the guy before you did and make it make sense like how many times have you read stuff you're like this isn't the green goblin i remember or this isn't the hobgoblin i remember or like

this isn't the way that case is hobgoblin considering how many different people People have been... That one's tricky. That one was tricky. Yeah. But... That's... That probably illustrates your point, though, right?

I want to use hobgoblin, but I want to do my own thing with hobgoblin. So I'm making you hobgoblin. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Well, you can, but like, well, what's the point? There's already a hobgoblin. The reason they made the hobgoblin is because they already made the green golden and they

want a different goblin. Like, how many fucking goblins are we going to make? Make a different guy. And that gets tricky. then you have to like work on star power people know who the green goblin is they're not going to accept uh

pink goblin you know what you mean like you have to like be smart about it but at the same time you have to be like respectful to the characters that you're portraying they can't be caricatures that you've decided upon you know what you mean

if you see Craven the Hunter in a storyline it has to make sense it can't just be him just like you know being a steady person because you're like that's not what Craven the Hunter does. Yeah, we all know the Craven the Hunter has animal powers.

But that's why for so long Craven the Hunter was like they kept him dead. Yeah. Because they're like, well, we can't do anything with him. What could we possibly do to bring him back? There's no justification for him bringing him back.

And then they did. It didn't make any sense. Well, and they've done nothing with him really since that. Right. It was not worth bringing it back because they could have done that better. And I don't like that idea of, like, ratconning people for no reason.

If there's a reason for it, that's cool. Because I remember, like, years ago, I'm talking years ago, 60, 70s, the chameleon and Cravenile were different people. And then they retcon that were, like, they were related. Yeah. And I thought that was such a cool. I think they did that in that movie? Did they?

What movie? The movie, the Craven Hunter movie, they came out. I haven't seen it, dude. I haven't seen it. They did talk about a guy called Dramitri, so that might be. Yeah, I did hear that like, yeah, regardless. But I always, yeah, I always loved the idea that they would connect these two guys together and they have this contentious relationship.

I'm like, that's actually great. That's a great example of retconning somebody because it doesn't change their fundamental character, but it adds more character to both. people. That's great. But a lot of the time what happens is they do a ratcon where that changes the fundamental character of the person. And well that's not, this isn't going to work. It doesn't work. And that's what happens when he brought, Quibbing the Hunter back. Because they brought him back, but he was like brain dead or he wasn't the same guy. And then

you were like, well, why bring him back? If he's not Creve and the Hunter, what's the point of bringing him back? So I have a weird, like, character I really enjoy. I like Trevor Fitzroy. I love Trevor Fitzroy because I think he's such a... He is very much like... Oh, fuck, what do you call that guy from the X-Men? I forgot this name. I love this guy and I'm so annoyed.

I forgot this, but I tell you remember what his guy's name is. Because he's a guy... No, don't keep it in. He's a guy that adapts other people's powers. And he was really popular in the 90s. Fabian Cortez. Yeah. Would you call Fabian Cortez popular?

He got used a lot, but I don't know if anybody would say Fabian Cortez. He was popular in the 90s. He got used a lot in the 90s. It is a popular thing to do. But same thing with those two guys. They have such potential, such potential. And they kind of got stuffed out way too quickly.

And then if they came back, you're like, well, it's not. Because I know they brought Cortez back recently in Kraktoa, and I read that shit. I'm like, this is not what P.B. Cortez does. Trevor Fitzroy is going to very clearly be a recurring villain in that X-Men run that's right now with the site with Cyclops' team. Okay. He's already shown up once. And he seems to be a social media guru character. Okay.

Like, I'm really confused why, too, because I mean, his whole thing is he's from the future. future. Like, that's how you learned about Layla Miller's power because she resurrected Trevor Fitzroy, and that explains why he's a villain. Yeah. Because, like, Jamie Maddoch saw him in the future, and he's like, holy shit. And she's like, yeah, he doesn't know yet. You know, like, what's that 14? 14. You got into the mic on that one, too. I go right into it. Yeah. Yeah, no kidding. People need to know. But yeah, no, like, that's a character. The whole thing where, you know, Trevor Fitzroy was introduced as the leader of the upstarts. And the upstarts were a group that were like hunted mutants for sports.

They didn't care if they were like heroes or villains. They just killed mutants and they got points based off of it. And it was a game. Like that was to kind of dehumanize them. And like now he's like, oh yeah, this is great for our likes. We had so many people streaming our, you know, watching our stream. He's not wrong though. Yeah, right.

You know what I mean? That's the way side it goes. If you get a lot of kills, you get a lot of, talking about John, you get a lot of kills, you get a lot of likes.

Everybody knows John's social media is so big. His TikTok is insane. Well, it helps because he's doing Renegate dance all the time. Remember when that was the big thing? Oh, man,

he loves the dance. He loves it. John does, he also is really big on makeup tutorials. Yes, he's very good at that. And then he also does like food reviews where he like goes to

Costco and like I want to eat a cookie I have no idea I have no idea what you're talking about what that one means no I don't how do you don't know what that one means that I know what that one means I don't know I've not been on TikTok you know the Costco guys is that what they do?

Yeah I didn't know what their gimmick was the Costco guys go to Costco I'm a Costco guy I love Costco cookies and they eat a Costco cookie and they go, bam. Oh man, I'm glad they, that that was the draw that. And they beat up QT. Marshall.

And yeah, I'm glad to see that's what's drawn readings. I mean, dude, it gets results. That was one of the most popular shit on their show, Costco guy. So. No kidding. What does that tell you? Yeah. So, okay, let's go.

We're talking about, like, introducing, like, young mutant characters. They've introduced two more sets of young, youen characters. They introduced, uh, like three new characters in the exceptional X-Men run, which is the Kitty Pride Emma Frost book. And they introduced another four in the uncanny X-Men book that Gil Simone's writing.

Okay. And like, I don't see why we need them. Okay. It's like, if the whole thing is like, oh, they're mentoring these students because they're new,

then it's like, but there was already like pre-establishment. characters are still young. Like you could accomplish the same thing with these existing characters already. Like, you know who I realize is missing? Fucking Gabby. Do you remember Laura, Laura Kenny's little sister? Yes.

Yeah, she's not anywhere. Why are we not using Gabby? She's fun. She's got the healing factor, but she doesn't feel pain. There's too many characters. She gets thrown to the side of a building and she's just laying there with a smile on her face. And it's like, are you okay? She's like, I think I broke every bone in my body.

Give me a couple minutes. Just like me. well you're well I think part of that is that you're in a doll house right now

yeah I'm a little baby I'm a little boy this is this is a Barbie house and I'm a little barby house I'm a little figure you're gonna bring your

you're gonna bring your you're gonna bring your wife over and it's just a regular size Barbie but to you she's like I would love to show you my wife but she's unavailable

at the moment she's taking the kids to Clownette class I thought you said clownette class I'm like it's a special school for female clowns only So What the fuck was I talking about? Oh we were talking about the young mutant characters

Getting introduced Okay so I think that's a real like bugger for me Because I'm like they already have like That was the reason that they did Hush HVM Yeah yeah so like for example Let's just go with it The first batch was the new mutants

You know classic lineup Then you had Generation X then you had young X-Men, new X-Men, whatever characters they introduced in Krokoa, because you know they couldn't help themselves, but introduced new... The Hellions? The Hellions? Yeah.

Because that was the Emma Frost students. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, no, they've had tons of new characters. They've had so many. There were so many X-Men. Because each of those teams are at least eight people. Yep. There's so many.

So the reason they did Hise of M was to trim that fat, and then they did. quite cool but they were like it was bringing all the back fuck him and you look well

we gotta like have some reservations here what's the point of bringing back all these similar sounding characters there's no reason

for it yeah you know like that's part of the thing like we got rid of these guys on purpose and I don't like

the idea of people keep introducing new characters that already do stuff that's already established there's no reason

for that and you can see that like that's what you're talking about like yeah it just doesn't fit in so one of the the two like newer X-Men characters I always liked were Surge

and Dust I like Surge is just now showed up an X-Force however that book looks like fucking trash so I'm not reading and I don't even know where Dust is right now but dust is such a unique character Dust was a good one

Dust I think it was that was a grandma someone right well and and um and um Helion he just turned up as the villain for the Nick's book Okay And it's just like Christ You know

I liked Hellion because he was like Basically an evil Kid with Telekinesis And he wouldn't want that Yeah He wouldn't want an evil kid with talcinesis That's one of John's kids Yeah

Wow we can't talk about that legally We're not like No No We're going to give people that idea of what John's children are like I'm sure they're legally we're not like to slap their brains out with their tongues

but it's a whole thing John will be able to talk about that next week we'll ask him about it yeah we'll talk oh he'll be like I don't want to talk about these these last two episodes won't be out by the time we end up recording that so John will legitimately have no idea we're talking about

he will though because he lives this this is in life he'll know what is his children are like yeah they're his children we're not making this up oh I miss you little Billy and tiny Tom I love by the way

I love Tari because I really when I came up with a bit where you were doing the John's talking to his kids and he'll tell him I was like a hundred percent convinced that you would not dig it right I just said it

I said it as a joke I'm like Corey's going to be Like, don't, that's not funny. And then I was going to be like, it is. It's not, correct, Corey. It's not funny. He has, his children are at seeing it's not funny. And I was going to do this whole bit.

Yeah. I'm just fucking criminally insane kids. And then when I brought it up, you were like 100% with it. You didn't even think about it. You were like, yes, this is, you have the names. You had the fucking, I had the names too. You had different names. Like, we just went with it.

I had this whole thing planned in my head. And you were like, because I didn't know you would go for it. And you were like, yes, of course, John's children are seen. Listen, I play Dungeons and Dragons. That's what that game is. Essentially, you're just picking up with someone else and going along. Have to play along. That's part of it.

Like, there's no point to say no. And I'm used to people saying no. So I'm like, well, I can adapt to that. That's part of my fun is like, if they do say no, but will I get a backup plan, fucker, I know how to play with it. And like, honestly, John, John's really good about picking it up to you. What I really like about John is that John will come out of nowhere with a fucking zinger. Yes, he's very good at that.

I'm sure he's going to have a lot of zingers about hypnotists and see it. It kind of dribbled out there. I'm sorry. That's okay. It's okay. So I will say that I do think we should probably start wrapping this one up. Nah. All right.

But I mean, I'm not in charge. No. Do you have any like final, like, final pet peeve kind of comments? I think we hit upon the things that I really don't like. Like, I wouldn't like this redemption arc of clear villains. I don't mind, like, like, a, uh, I kind of like, oh, you know, he, he, he's 50-50 kind of thing. But like, if you're like a definite asshole, like clearly a terrible person. And then the, the, your redemption arc, I'm like, he's actually great.

And then that happens forever. You're like, well, I don't, I don't buy it. You don't buy this at all. I don't like that. I don't like the villains being the good guys for real. there has to be a storyline to it. Otherwise, and maybe it's like a storyline

we all can see coming. It doesn't matter. If the juggernaut is a good guy forever now, that sucks. He's not supposed to be a juggernaut on the good side. That's not what he's supposed to do.

So shit like that annoys me. People introducing characters they don't need to introduce was a good one. I think that like there's so many X-Men already. You don't need to keep adding more X-Men. Just use your old

X-Men. I understand you want to say more X-Men were born since then you know, I try to make a thing you don't have to like get that deep with it. Just say all right here's B or whatever. You had alluded to it earlier why House of M happened. I remember very clearly

somebody editor was like it's hard to pitch this idea that they're this endangered species when they're so fucking many of them. But that's exactly it. Like there's so many X-Men. The reason, and I don't really like Howie Sam, but the reason they did it was to just trim the fat.

And then if you just keep adding more fat to it, it's not going to work. You just use the already fat you have. Don't just go out and get more stick. I think in general, and maybe this will be my closing thoughts on it, to focus in on that one. I think that there's right now in comics this idea of like, let's be super fan service. And let people...

What number was that? You just wiggled your fingers. I didn't know what number that was. I burped in the mic. What number was that? I think you're at 17 or 18. 17, not bad. Yeah.

So this idea of like fan service and letting people have their cake and eat it too. Yeah. So like case and point like all of Batman's sidekicks have identities and, you know, two of them are even going by Robin still. And like all of Superman's kids are getting featured in books even though like devalues Superman because, yeah. So, like, now it's like, oh, no, we'll bring back all of the X-Men. We'll bring every single mutant back. Yes. Yes.

I hated that, man. Well, no. Because, like, Krikowa just got full. Right. Because, you know, it's just... Because I understand, like, the notion of, like, everybody... Every character is someone's favorite character. But, like, it doesn't work if your favorite character is just in the background of one

panel at the Hellfire gala, you know? Right. Like, what do? this is a thing I'm gonna I'm gonna break things down to end into a way that I can understand things but there was a Pokemon game

and there's been a couple of these Pokemon games but obviously like when you don't laugh about this I can see you know I just let me use this let me do a reference I understand Pokemon I do what I do

that's fair okay do what you need to do man so like let let's go back to and this equivalent to the X-Men, right? But let's go back to like 1986, 97, when Pokemon Blue came out, a Pokemon you played with, that was

your Pokemon. And the next generation of Pokemon came out, and it was loads of different Pokemon, but you could still play with the old Pokemon too, and they were the ones you played with. Fast forward to like 10 years in the future. And I remember, I think it was like X and Y on the

Nintendo 3DS, where you would start off your Pokemon adventure and you had like seven generations of Pokemon to pick from. So you would start your game and you would go out into the grass to find a Pokemon and you could find guys from Generation 1, Generation 2, generation 3, Generation 4, Generation 5 and then the new one you're playing right now

you can find any of those Pokemon immediately. And you're like, well, what's the fun of this? why surely if you're starting in a new show you would put all the people you want to be on the show

on your show immediately right why if I'm playing generation six of a Pokemon game would I want to go back and immediately

catch a Pikachu yeah no like it's all it's fan service it's like that's what's big right now is like we want to give everyone

everything so why and I don't mind a bit of choice like that's fair enough Like, for example, say we're doing that show, we're generation six of Pokemon. We've had five generations already of Pokemon. So we start to show there's some new Pokemon, there's some old Pokemon.

That's fair enough. But why are all of the Pokemon, all of the old ones? I don't need that. You have to be smart about what you keep and what you don't keep. You have to be selective. And that really annoyed me. Not that it was, you didn't have the choice. you had too much choice

because if you do have too much choice you will just pick the one that you're familiar with you're not going to go with and that's the same with X-Men. If you have like the X-Men from the 80s and the X-Men from the 90s and the X-Men from the 2000s, the X-Men from the Nilege, you're not going to give a shit about the X-Mepin like 20 years ago.

No, no. So here's the fact of the matter, right? The fact of the matter is when the Krakowa era launched and they were like, New Mutants comic is one of the books that are coming out. And the New Mutants lineup had some people from the new mutants, some people from Generation X, and that was going to be the book. It's like, okay, these are like the younger mutants characters.

They're not the kids anymore, but they're also not the older adults. Yeah. And then, sure enough, as time went by, they phased the Generation X mutants out, and then the book was just another new mutants book. Right. You know, of, you know, of, yeah, it's just Danny and Ronnie and stuff like that. Who cares? Yeah.

Well, and so to kind of go to this, we are from a generation, or I'm going to date ourselves here a little bit. No, we're not dating. We're still 20 years old. Both you and me, we're clearly- Knowing you for 20 years. I've known you since I was in the womb. Both of us, what's that, 18? Both of us, 20 years old. Both of them, look at us. Wicked Morty, 20 years old. John's you have to get used to doing this. I was thinking like Morrissey. There's like one Morrissey performance. I think he's, He's like doing a boy with a thorn in his side. He's just like this the whole time.

You like Morrissey, right? You like the Smiths? I like the Smiths. I like Smiths. I think Morrissey as a person is kind of detestable, but I will admit that I enjoy the music. I like the Smith. I like Morris as a singer. Yeah.

Morrissey as a person might be like one of the worst people of all time. Oh, yeah. There's a... I'm a... I'm going to tell this story that we'll wrap the show up. There was an interview from like the 80s MTV and it's Robert Smith from The Cure and the interviewer is like, oh, you guys are kind of like the Smith and Morrissey. And he was like, I really wish you hadn't said that. And she's like, why?

He's like, I find him to be detestable. He's so obnoxious and arrogant. And that's the truth. Morrissey is a fucking before like the mild racist shit came out. He was a, he's a fucking pseudo intellectual. It's like, yeah, man. I'm glad you read Oscar Wild. And it's so funny because the song Cemetery Gates is about that.

About like, oh, you think you're really smart because you read, you know, Oscar Wild and Yates and stuff. And it's like, motherfucker, are you singing to yourself? Your whole personality is about how fucking smart you are. Well, maybe he is. Maybe he is. Maybe he is. I mean, I feel like that a lot. But like, like, whenever you see like these pseudo-interactuals online now and you're like, well, you don't know anything.

I mean, it's a similar like Marcy, like some of the stuff you say is going to be true, correct. But a lot of the stuff you have to say is not going to be true. Yeah. And maybe you think about that. Yeah.

You know, and I like the Smiths. I like Marcy. He is great. He's a good songwriter. Yeah. Saw him live a couple years ago. Saw him in Akron. He's good fun, man.

But I'll tell you this, but you got to separate the artists from the art. Yeah. You know, I will tell you. beating his wife up. You got to separate the artist from the art? Yep. I just remember like even though, you know, the man is is not a not a spring chicken any longer. He still had a bunch of 13 year old boys crying throwing flowers at him in Akron.

Ooh, is that a good thing? I'm just saying he's had the exact same fans since the Smiths. And it's all like two-name boys are a little too sensitive. 13-year-old fans crying about him. I don't think that that's good. I also know that he still plays meat as murder with accompanying footage of, like animals getting slaughtered which is like Jesus Christ, yes. Oh yeah, he does not like that shit.

Well yeah, because isn't that always the story of like you can't sell meat like at the concessions at his show so he refuses to play? Yeah, he really doesn't like that. All right, but I'm like, listen, obviously I'm biased, but dude, meat's delicious.

Well, folks, thank you for listening to our show. That's the end of it. Meet this delicious. Listen, man, suck on some meat. You love it. It's great. How many meat popsicle in your mind. You love it. A hot dog. Oh, I'm sorry. That's enough. We're good. That one?

We'll stop on that one. Promoting hot dogs is too much? We'll, we need to wrap it up at some point, Dylan. So, you know, actually, no, this was episode of Smart Avengers. This is another Spark Avengers minus one. And it's become apparent that we do need all three of us here because we do need somebody to keep us in order. What do you mean?

I'm just meaning that we did have like a weird diatribe about Morrissey unprompted. Don't you think that John would have something to say about Morrissey? I don't think John would have something to say about Morrissey. I 100%. Really? Because John's always said like, oh no, hold on, I got into the voice. Oh, no, I just like dad rock. He does, but he's lying because he loves scrunch music.

What would you say grunge music is dad rocked out? We're not getting into this. We're trying to wrap the show up. My dad distanced at my dad hates grunge music. That's not an Allison chains fan. No, he fucking hates it. That sucks. I know.

All right. I live it. I live it every day. Does your dad love? Cause music? I don't know what music my dad likes. That would require me to know him on a personal level, which does not happen. that grunge music is not that rock done all right all right folks this has been an episode of smart

Avengers where we talked about some pet peeves about the X-Men and some other topics uh Dylan I know you have plans in the future to start another YouTube channel um you know we'll keep our eyes and ears tuned up for that one we got some ideas at least I have some ideas that would be great for it I have ideas but historically I have a lot of ideas that don't uh come into fruition. I would love everybody to go and subscribe to my YouTube page, Exploity Play Socom,

where I play old video games. I have a lot of video games that I have recorded that I want to upload. They will be uploaded at some point. I'm not going to forget about them. They will be uploaded at some point. You have like 30 parts of like Pickman, right? I've done, I've finished Pickman.

Pickman's finished. I just have to upload it. and I want to make more videos in the future just playing video games and I'm going to try and start a music channel we'll see how that goes Exploty plays

not Expoly plays I should speak Cap' Explodie I think on YouTube Exploity listens Exploity plays This is also at Douglas has your talk show where you take in calls where people are dealing with their psychological issues I would love to do like a little audio

you'll hear from John's kids all the time. His calls are not allowed to make calls outside the same asylum. Okay. I have a book. You can check the book out. It's called The Wonderful Boyle of Capital Explority.

It's on Amazon. I'm going to try and make another second book. I meant to make it last year. I didn't get finished. The other book is very close to be finished. So it will 100% be up online. on Amazon in

2025, that's a fact. I can guarantee you that. It's very close to be finished. So it'll be done next year. Oh, no, this year. Yeah, 2025. 25. 25 is this year.

Yep, this is the second week of January. Yes, it is that week that you said it was. So this year, follow me on Exploity Place and then look at my book, the wide world of capital exputi on Amazon. If you follow those both things, you'll see all the shit I made you. And that'll be great. Don't worry about it.

And then John has his ladderboxing. I think he's on like a 78 million. Yeah, because the second week in January, John's already... Yeah, $107,000. Yeah, he's seen like so many films. You're like, there's not this many films. He's always seen them. He's tapped into that minority report machine and he's like watching the movies haven't come out yet.

He's sitting waiting at his house, like, wearing and, like, wearing and, like, next film's coming out because he's already watched all the films. When's the next film? Here it is. Oh, I've watched it. I'm like, how did you watch it already? I'm John. You don't understand. Corey,

talk about your shit. Everything he knows about John is John has criminally insane children and he watches a lot of movies. That is true. That's all we've said. So, I have my other show, large old cup, even though this is the second week of January.

my new episode that I just dropped about a book regarding spiritualism and Harry Houdini. I just put that one out. Do you want about Harry Houdini? Yeah. Oh, I love Hiro Didi. I love Harry Houdini. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah.

Well, look at this. All right. Folks, so that's going to do us next week. John may be back with us. No, promote your show more. But there's nothing else to say. Large old companies. Go to large.

Cup on Spotify, listen to it, download it, give it the views that it deserves to get. And then Corey will be very happy. And I will be very happy if you can put that into it like you're, because you'll find something you've never seen before.

You've never heard of a large cup. You listen to it, you'll have one guy's perspective on life. Maybe it'll change your life as well. You don't know. You have to experience it for yourself. You know what I mean? Give it a go.

See what happened. I thought no, I thought you told me you weren't good at promotion. Huh? Don't worry about it. All right, folks. We'll see you next week. Bye. What happened?

Don't worry about it. Bye. Goodbye. All right, that's it. Bye-bye. The John? No, he got out. He's escaped.

Get back into the San Asylum, John.