The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 48: The Smark Avengers (Minus One) Talk About Potential Villain Comics

Episode Date: January 24, 2025

Everyone loves a hero but a hero is only as good as their villain. After all, what would Batman be without Joker, Spider-Man without the Green Goblin, Superman without Lex Luthor, or the X-Men without Magneto? We see these characters as foils for the heroes but every now and then a villain becomes so interesting that you just want to see more of them. Join Corey and Dylan as the Smark Avengers talk about villains who could use their own comic!

I will say that the episode that just means like 30 minutes long. Okay. I didn't think it was to be... Yeah, I didn't want to stop for an hour. You're, well, you need to... Obviously, you're not dedicated to the show, Corey. You're not willing to speak for an hour. It's something you're very passionate about, you know?

Yeah, I've been faking it. I'm not really reading comics. I mean, I've been faking up for this whole show. I don't know fucking out of my comics. What are we doing this for? for basically our own amusement I think that's fair

so everybody as you can tell John is not with us once again I will I will small spoiler when John does join us again you will not be seeing John because John is a man

of international man of mystery focus on the international part we talked about that right John's like a criminal and he's not legally allowed to show his face otherwise he may get arrested I thought it was because John is like secretly the

person that they harvest for clones and that if you see John, you'll start recognizing that there are clones of him out in the world and that will expose a big secret. We did talk about his clones. We did. Well, he could do both. He could be a criminal and be used as a cloning device.

A criminal clone. That's what they call him. Well, it's one of his nicknames. He's a man of many nicknames. Yeah, like Frederick. Yes, I don't know how he got that one, but that's what they call him. Maybe it's his middle name. I don't know John's middle name? I don't think that's his middle name. I don't even know it was his last name. I, it's Johnson. John Johnson. John Johnson. John Frederick Johnson. JFJ. I just want to say

JFJ. I don't think his, I'm going to put this on record. I don't think his middle name is Frederick. You can put that on the record. Whoever's writing our Wikipedia page, put it on the record that I said, I don't believe John's name is Frederick. Okay. That's true. So, so Dylan, I I do have to ask how to the mission go. What? Your mission went. How did it go? Yeah, terribly.

Oh, terribly. Everybody died, except for me. That's good. Well, I'm glad you didn't die. Well, I'm also glad I didn't die. There you go. But we did burn Los Angeles to the grind, so, you know, swings in the run woods.

Like, collateral damage, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. Things happen out of my control, you know. probably shouldn't be people avoid it really people died I mean did the tugboat make it no

oh no unfortunately not it it also drawing did you turn into shockmaster I could well maybe at the bottom of the ocean it did I don't know that's

that's beyond place for electricity I'm not going to go down and check honestly I can't go down and check honestly yeah it is dangerous and I just, you know, value my own health too much to go and do such a dangerous mission by myself. I'm happy that you value your own health. I tried to get one of those submarines to go down that way, but I couldn't afford it.

It's only for billionaires, you know. So I'm like, I'm good, man. That's fair. You billionaires, you go down and tell me what do you see, you know. And I haven't heard back on them since, so I don't know, man, maybe they're busy or something. Probably busy. I mean, the ocean's a very big place. They might still be down there just checking things out.

There's a lot of stuff to see, I would imagine. You know, there's a lot of stuff to see under the sea. That's as the song goes. I think that's how the song goes. From that popular... I just know that things are better where it gets wetter. Isn't that the truth? A-o!

Oh, boy. See, we don't have any jawing. No, no. Oh, boy. By the fact that he's probably not going to listen to these episodes. He surprises you every now and then. He does surprise me. I didn't expect him to be such a criminal, but he got me.

Yeah. Do you mean? Well, so we've had a couple episodes without John so far. We've had our New Year's resolutions. We're talking about X-Men pet peeves. We talked about, well, I talked about non-superhero comics. Today, though, we're going to go back to superhero comics, but a little more specific, we're going to talk about super villain comics. It's something that they bring out every now and then for whatever reason, DC and Marvel, they get an idea like, hey, there's this villainous character that we like.

There's an interesting story to be told. You know, like, let's explore that a little bit from maybe their perspective, or maybe there's like a gimmick behind it where, you know, I mentioned earlier before we started a question. according, the Joker's had a couple of different series. And the 80s, he had a series, and it was like basically a team-up book where it was like Joker and another character. Sometimes it was a fellow villain. Sometimes it was a hero. Then recently in the last few years, there have been two different Joker miniseries.

And like one of them, he wasn't even the main character. It was Jim Gordon. So characters who have had their own individual comics, I have a couple of examples here. Atrocidus, Apocalypse, Catwaters. woman, of course. She's had very many long-running series. Deathstroke also has had a lot of long series. Deadpool,

originally, bit of a villain. He has, obviously, his own series. Dr. Doom, Eclipso, Loki, you know, General Zod, Kang the Conqueror, even. That one was surprising that there was a King the Conqueror series. He's up to so many adventures.

We've got to know what he's up to, you know? Yeah. Poison Ivy has had a long-running series. Harley Quinn, has a series, even though both of them, they, DC likes to tear the line. I don't know what it is about, I know Harley Quinn's incredibly popular, and that's why they've kind of converted her over into a more heroic role. Poison Ivy's been, they've been trying to lean her in that direction as well. Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, so that got me thinking, they've got all these books where the main character has been a villain. Is there a villain comic that you would

like to personally read. You know, obviously Venom and Carnage, you're big fans of them. They already have their own series. I've had their own series. There's actually a Carnage series and a Venom series ongoing right now. Of course there is. Venom is. Isn't Venom right now Luke Cage?

I don't know. Do you know who Carnage is right now? I used to. Eddie Brock. Yep. You know, I would have liked it if I didn't know these things. Somebody has to keep you informed on what's going on. No, no.

I don't think anybody needs to inform you about anything. I need to stay in the dark about everything. And then I'll be a happy man. Happy and ignorance. There's nobody to say ignorance is bliss. Well, I'm a blissful man. Not anymore. Now I know that carnage is venom and venom is a sponge or whatever the fuck.

You know. Good, give it, give it time. And they're like, oh, new venom is a sponge? He just took over his... Well, I read recently that at some point, Vannum was just the symbiate, and he was just kicking ass. And like, that doesn't even make any sense.

Yeah, that defies what a symbiate is. What the fuck? He's not Vatimim. He's this Venom symbiate. And the Venom symbiate was only called the Venom symbiate because he was with Eddie Brock. When he's not with Eddie Brock, he's not Venom. Yeah, Peter Parker wasn't Venom.

No, he wasn't Vatim. And the thing that... The thing that attached itself to Spider-Man wasn't Venom before that either. Like, it had a different name, space name to become pronounced, but still a different name. You know, please, has the sanctity of comics just disappeared completely? Have we got nothing left? There's nothing sacred anymore, Corey.

Nothing is sacred. I dare they. I dare they make cartage. Eddie Brock, it doesn't make any sense, Corey. Make it make sense. I was reading the most recent X-Men comics recently, and there was like a full page ad of like, Eddie Brock is carnage. No, he isn't.

And I was surprised because he was dead. Historically, he never has been. Like, they resurrected him to make him carnage. No. Like, what's Cleetus Cassidy up to you know? Is he dead again? He's a farmer. He's a farmer?

He grows his flowers. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. A bit of a botanist. Yeah, there's no, like, twist there. He just likes, he really likes growing flowers. He likes killing people and botanicals.

Yeah, is that a crime? One of them, technically, yes. Yeah, part of it. If you want to be patented about it, I suppose you could say the serial killing bit might be a bit of a crime. I don't know. This is just nitpicking, really, you know. Well, so all that being said, all that being said, we thought it would be interesting

if we kind of pitched our own books where we thought a villain being a main character would be, you know, interesting. And I know I've got a list of four people, Dylan, I know you've gathered some names as well. Yes. So I don't know if it's an added challenge to this topic, but if they were a main, like, I guess what's your justification for it? Yeah. Are you saying that I, because I didn't do this, I didn't write down plots or anything like this? Well, no. Are you possibly suggesting that I should start ad-libbing a couple of plots for some of these because I'll do it.

I'm just saying if you wanted to do a plot, you're more than welcome to you. I didn't get that far. I was just like, oh, I would like to read this book because of this. I think it would be interesting, you know. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, I will. If I have to, listen, man, if I have to, if I got it for the benefit of the show, if I have to start ad-living some plots for some of these characters, I'll do, don't think I won't do it. I know you will.

People who listen to this on Spotify won't see me wagging my finger right now. But I'm wagling. That's why you gotta go to YouTube and watch the video. Listen to it on Spotify and then watch it on YouTube. Do both. Yeah, that way you'll get visual gags. Also, like, give us money as well.

That T-spring that we're going to start at some point? It's a work of progress. Yeah. The Spotify guys couldn't see me winked. right there. That's okay. We'll get it. Well, now they know, though. No, but maybe I didn't wink. You have to watch YouTube video and find out.

So, uh, so Dylan, do you want to go first? Yeah, you have the list of, um, characters that have? Yeah. I do. I do. Now, this is not a comprehensive list. Uh, this is just a Wikipedia article on Supervillains with their own comic book titles. So if, if the, if there is a series that this person was on and, and that we suggest, and they weren't on the list, by all means, you know, make a comment, let us know what it was.

I know for a fact, Bain is not on this list, but he should be, because there was a Bain miniseries called Bain Conquest a couple of years ago. That was written by Chuck Dixon, I think. And it took place, it was very kind of a throwback to Dixon's initial use of the character. But yeah, so if, now, are you asking because you think some of these characters might be on the list that you? you have written down? Just so you can double check. Sure. Do you mean? Because like you said, there's definitely some that weren't on that list. The list seemed a little bit dry. It's very short. I think there's definitely one where I'm like, I don't think that this character has had their own miniseries, but I wouldn't be that surprised if they did in the 90s, the glorious 90s.

Yes. Which is when I believe this character was conceived. I'm not, might have been in the 80s, I don't know. It's one of those two decades. 80s or 90s. It's a coin flip when you're on the internet. It's one of them. Yeah. So who are we talking about here? Well, could you double check and see if

Clary on the Witch Boy is on that list? I really want to talk about Clary and the Witch Boy. I sure hope that... Clary and the Witch Boy is on the list. Ah, well, then fuck him then. I'll just cross him off that list. Don't need to talk about him. That's a shame. He would have been great.

But instead of that, let me just talk about, the character I was going to talk about a moment ago before I did the little bait and switch, who I think might, I'm not sure have been on the thing. Exodus. Exodus? I do not see you on the list. I didn't see him on the list, but I'm not sure if he's had one before. Because he was big in the 90s, already the mid-90s, I believe he was pretty popular. and that's the kind of thing where I wouldn't be surprised if you saw like a little four issue run like establishing his backstory or something like that because he's got a very interesting kind of backstory and mythology to him

he's always been one of my favorite X-Man villains and I think that he's one that has the power set to be like a big bad but they never really go with it they just kind of like they never use him this full potential. I'm like I think like a wee mini series where you see what he's up to in between runs like you know he'll be popular at some point then he'll disappear

for five years or longer 10 years. Wouldn't it be nice to see like what he gets up to or what he came from or like what he did? Because he was you'll remember this. He had some kind of run in with the black night I believe that was his

his origin story. And I'm like, well, that was ages ago. What was it like the 18th century or something? So like, maybe before that, there's, there's, there's, there's stories to be told between his original appearance and now. And wouldn't it be nice to kind of fill in the blanks and, and see more about this guy and see more of his little adventures, you know?

Yeah. Him befriending a little mouse buddy that sits on his shoulder and whisper stuff to him. and then either they could go on adventures. Wouldn't that be nice? So for the benefit of some of our folks who may not be familiar with Exodus, can you do like a quick little summary on like who he is, what his deal is, what he's kind of most known for? Nope.

Okay, fair enough. Exodus was a very, very powerful mutant who like I said, I feel like he, I don't remember what, it was like the 15th century or something. He came in contact with, I think it was a black knight, and they had a whole thing. And then did he go into like some kind of exile and they woke up again in like the 20th century or 24th century or whatever? He came in contact with a lot of mutants in, I believe, the early 90s. And it was a big thing whenever Magneto was doing his Astroid M stuff where he became like one of the acolytes and was a big deal there.

But he's a very, very powerful mutant. He can fly. He's got like telepathic abilities. He was evolved in, what was that storyline where Fabian Cortez stole the baby? Oh my gosh. I know exactly what you're talking about. Is it blood lines? Blood ties, is it? Blood ties, there you go. And there's a bit where like he's like, he's made a giant force field around the city, which he's like slowly crushing people with. But he's also like holding up all the X-Men and the Avengers at the same time.

And I'm like, that's cool. Like, that's pretty impressive. you know um but then they after that like they use them very sparingly like after the mid-1990s they use him very sparingly and he pops up here and there but never like to his full potential i feel he was a member of the quiet council in crocoa right but didn't do anything not really i mean he kind of represented being a zealot for all intents of purposes i mean he was like a in the crusades like you mentioned. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

He's that kind of character. If you know what I mean. Yeah. He's into all that stuff. By the way, I did not see any record of an Exodus series, so I think you're good on that. But really, we're not because that would have been great. Yes. Wouldn't be great to go to the Exodus action, if you will.

Yeah. So I will keep it in the X-Men world for a moment. and I did not see any record of this character having a solo series of his own, but there is a lot of history considering that he seems to be kind of ageless to a degree, Mr. Sinister. Oh, okay. So, because my basis on that, it's very similar to another idea for another person I have on the list. Sinister has been around for a very, very, very long time.

You could do a lot of storylines. like different time periods. Are you familiar with the... Did you ever see the Good Omen's show on Amazon Prime? I'm aware, but I haven't seen it. Okay. The best parts of both seasons of those are the flashbacks where you see the angel and the demon

interacting in various different time periods. Okay. Like, the modern storylines for the most part are fine, but, like, the real draw and the real appeal are, like, these same two characters during the French Revolution or they run into each other again during World War II

you know that kind of thing so you could I think there could be a lot of fun with you know Mr. Sinister who's obsessed with the Summers family bloodline like him interacting with previous generations of Summers who may or may not have been mutants themselves

or like you see the inciting incident that made him super interested in the Summers bloodline. Because I mean, like, that's one of his key things is he's obsessed with Cyclops for the most part. He's like the only guy in the world. There's a whole Reddit called Cyclops

is right, by the way. That's full of people who love Cyclops. A bunch of nerds. Yeah, right? Yeah. That's right. I said it. You know, somebody has to say it. Somebody has to be brave. Yeah, I'll take that bullet. And then the years from now, they're going to be like,

I was right, and I'll be on the shirts. And I'll be a Reddit page. Obviously not because Rad will be closed on in three years. But anyway, that would be essentially my pitch is you have a mystery-sinistry series. It takes place during different points of time and him interacting with various iterations of the Summers family. Not a million miles away from the accident is saying. They've been alive for ages. There's stuff that people haven't seen.

You know, there's stories you could tell in between there. Wouldn't that be nice to kind of get a little bit more context for these people? Yeah, I mean, I'll take that to jump into the next one in the DC. side of thing, Razel Gould. Same deal. Razel Gould's been alive for centuries. He's immortal. He's been running this group of assassins for the most part. And, you know, basically the one responsible for civilizations ending is Rosal Gould in the League of Shadows, or League of Assassins.

So, like, again, same kind of deal. Have him just different points of time and history. They've explored that, like, as, you know, like, small backstories and Batman comics. He's had a one shot here and there, but like a true series dedicated to like Rasaal Ghul, or Rasha Al-Gul, depending on how you want to pronounce it. I've heard both. Why would anybody pronounce it the second way? I don't know. I've heard people pronounce it that way, and they insist that it's right.

That's not the way I think to do it. Are those people idiots? Maybe. I would get that checked out, man. I would not accept that. I would take it back. Yeah, so again, that would be the same kind of pitch, just on the D.C. side of things. Yeah.

Well, I get that. I wonder if I've heard anybody else I can do that with. Maybe. Have you ever heard of a character called Baby Juggernaut? Oh, man, the OG Baby Juggernaut. Yeah. So imagine if we saw more about, like, Baby Juggernaff being a baby. and like on this because obviously when you see baby juggernaut he just comes in like a juggernaut he's like

coming in and kicking ass and you know karate chopping people what if he saw baby juggerna as like as an actual baby and like where he came from what he was up to what kind of um baby food he likes to eat you know what what his favorite color of tree and is you know these are important things that babies need to understand that's um that that's forgotten about the old you get we need to kind of understand more of his backstory and what he's about. We don't even know baby juggernaut's name. He doesn't have one. Yeah.

Well, is he a descendant of Cain Marco? Well, like you said, you don't know John's name, so... No. Maybe Baby Juggernaut is John. Maybe Baby Juggernaut is one of John's criminally insane children. They just haven't caught him yet because he's the juggernaut. Or he's the baby Juggernaut. Exactly.

The police try to arrest him and he just runs through a wall. So you're saying John has at least three criminally insane children, two of which have been caught. Have been apprehended. And the third one is the baby juggerna. Is wanted at large. Okay. But at least three, potentially more. Yes.

I don't know what John gets up to. Well, obviously, we can guess one thing he does a lot. It's true. Quite frequently, apparently. He's got more kids than I do. Fair play to him, man. You know? Can't knock.

Hey, man. He's good at it. That's why he's always talking about sperm. He does seem to bring it up pretty often. Right? Because that's what he's into. He's like, hey, guys, what do you think of with this? We've told you a million times, John.

How many times can we talk about the Spider-Man storyline? We're very, very into it. We're totally into it. Keep talking about radioactive sperm. this is awesome, you know. No, you don't think so? I'm just saying, I think we've had like two thumbnails dedicated to it. Well, no, no, we've had one dedicated to.

The other one is a giant sperm that looks like Green Goblin, yeah. Yeah, which is different. That's different sperm, Corey. From a different penis. I don't know where he gets it from. All I know is is a different sperm. It usually comes from one. place, but okay. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know for a fact.

Usually, but you don't know. I don't know. That goblin serum, you don't know what happened to me. He knows what the fuck those gobbins are up to, you know what I mean? It drives you insane and you come out of your belly button. You got to do it somewhere. You know what you mean? I don't know. That's why nobody's ever like, I'm not, I don't want to take it. No. The serum, I mean, that's that what he calls it? The serum? I don't know what he calls it. I don't like talking to him. He's just a weird dude. Yeah.

Well, you got that weird hair that looks like carpet. Yeah, like that's not real. Like, what's wrong with you? Well, I know what's wrong with him. Yeah. Serum. The affirmation serum. Yeah.

You know what you mean? I got to get more that serum. Like, do you? Is that what you got to get more serum? I think you have a problem. Me or him? No, no. Norman.

Because we went off on a big semen thing again. We probably shouldn't have. It tends to happen. You were talking about baby juggernaut. That's incredibly inappropriate, Corey. No, it... He's just a baby. No, no, but I mean, where do babies come from?

That is... I don't know. Is that true? I don't know. Did your parents ever sit you down? No. My parents have never talked to me. Your parents didn't ever talk.

Join the club, but it's for different reasons, I'm sure. Well... I don't know what the reasons are. So it's the same. That's a different podcast. That would be my other podcast where I started getting into that topic. I don't know. Do people want to hear that?

I don't think they do. It makes people uncomfortable. I think it's funny sometimes, but other people get a little unnerved. We're all about making people uncomfortable, though. That's true. So, Dylan, going back to our list, we've had three, what, three characters that are kind of ageless, thus opening up a background. Because to stay on that just for a little bit longer, it's kind of like the Wolverine thing. Like Wolverine has countless stories you can tell because they've established the character's been alive for a very long time.

So you can be like, oh, here's a Wolverine story where he was in France in 1902. And then here's the story of Wolverine in Japan in 1876. So like that kind of is the appeal and I think would work for like those three characters. I think so. I think so. Well, I have another one here. If you're not willing to accept baby drug or not as a legitimate character, which I understand if you wouldn't. Here's another character that I'm going to say he's ageless because we don't know his age.

Okay. And he's a friend of the show. I kind of know where this is going. Do you? Okay. Maybe. Before I say it, would you like to hazard your guess? Would it be a certain feline that is last.

lacking two appendages. No. Oh, really? No, what is it? No, it is it? All right, go on. It's a different. He's put on a thumbnail for sure.

I know this guy's been on the thumbnail. Who is it? We don't know what A.G. is. Or if he's even a he? I mean, it's in his name, but we're not sure. It's your friend on mine, a delightful sugar man. That's true. So here's the thing.

That's a serious one. Yeah. Here's the thing about the sugar man is that like there's so much shit nobody knows about him. He is technically a mutant though, right? Yeah. He's like a geneticist. So he didn't do that to himself. No.

But did he? We don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Wouldn't it be good to like explore that? Like you're just a normal kid and then 13 years old, your face goes into your torso and you gain another set of arms. Like what a rude mutation that would be. I think it would be cool.

But, you know, it's cool is, is subjective, really, you know. But like, there's so much nobody knows about the Sugarman. Like, he was in some of the university. He came over this one and then whatever. But like, well, what if we knew what that whatever was? Like, why does he look like a fucking freak? Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, why is this? There's so many questions. Like, how long was he there for? Like, what, is he four years old or is he 40? You know, or is he 400? Nobody knows, you know? wouldn't it be cool to learn a little bit more about this awful awful man or woman or whatever it is we don't like he says he's the name of sugar man be like that's not he's not really a man is he

no i mean he doesn't look like anything you're really but the strict definition of what a man is i'm like i don't know you're you're kind of off base there i don't know if i would call you a man you have a face and legs the way men do but the rest of it is up in the air you know yeah i mean and he doesn't even have a name right what's his real name a sugar man what does that even mean revealed right it could be john we don't know we do know he's single well that's oh well dude no offense to that guy but would you kiss that face hey he's out there man he's trying no he isn't he's on bumble he's on tender he's on grinder what if this was the show.

His four-part miniseries was just him trying to find romance. Yeah. Well, not, it's at least that's something to give a little bit more insight to this, this, this character. I mean,

life is hard when you're six foot nine and four hundred pounds. Six foot nine, oh, but most of that's head, though. Most of his body is a head, yeah. Yeah,

it's like 90, he's like 90, mod off with extra arms. I mean, he's got dingly, tiny little dingly arms, you know, tiny little feet.

Yeah, he's four arms, a pair of horns, a mouthful of razor-sharp teeth, a very long prehensile tongue. Ladies and gentlemen? Gentlemen, I shouldn't presume. I don't want to presume about the sugar man. Well, it's hard to know out of the bottom because nobody told me on the bottom. And a huge head for a body. He's got T-chat, all right, ladies, poor gentlemen. Yeah, no, I mean, like he said, I don't know if that that's his mutation, that he just, like,

Like, he just was regular kid and then he hit 13 years old and then all that shit happened to him. Yeah. Because, like, that, you assume that's what happened to Glob Herman, right? Glob Herman is just a regular kid and all of a sudden his body turns into translucent wax. Well, that is what happened to him because we know he is a mutant. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. We don't know that about Sugarman.

We don't know if he was a mutant or if he did that to himself or Mr. Sinister did that to him or... I mean, according to the mutative... the Marvel database, he is categorized as a mutant. Okay, and they wouldn't lie. No. Why would they? Because they don't give a shit. Maybe.

So here's a fun thing. Okay. On it, Sugar Man was murdered by Bishop. Bishop assumed that Nate Gray X-Man did it. but it's not confirmed. But then he is shown alive again for unknown reason at

Foreigner's Casino. Yes. So he's invincible. Yes. So his powers are, his size and mass alteration, so he chooses to be 6 foot 9, 400 pounds. Yeah, because isn't that how he got into this universe? It's like he shrank down into somebody's boot.

Yeah, he hidden Colossus's boot. Yeah. Advanced regeneration. He's altered his metabolism to heal from injuries with ease. He survived being crushed by Claustusus's boot. So there you go. But, yeah.

Sugarman, huh? Wouldn't you like to know all about his romantic intentions? I know I would. He wants to make romance in his B-boys stance, as the Beastie Boys would say. Ah, not about this guy, I don't think. They'd probably come up with a different rhyme for him. I mean, he is, I mean, but the name is Sugar Man. Is he somebody's Sugar Daddy?

that's in the comic there you go what I'm saying he's paying for love he can't get it any other way I mean that's a sad life

it is but you know again though have you seen his fucking face you mean yeah no

like you said that is that is something yeah see you thought it's a lot of face it's too much

I'm just gonna go you know I just think it's too much space. What if he and Modoc dated? What if? What if? What do you, what do you? You know what? I see a lot of criticism about the Disney plus what if series. They're like, oh, this is so predictable. It just turns into, you know, Peggy Carter, Captain, you know, Carter storylines every season they do it. They don't have the guts to do the Modoc Sugarman. Modoc versus Sugar Man that everybody wants to see. We all want to hear it. We all want to see it in graphic, graphic detail. We want to see that. We want to see

them touching each other. We gotta see this, man. You would think, man, Disney's not going to put that out on their TV show. They fucking did. It was wild. Went on for 26 minutes, which that was the out of the design version. There's a lot of face. We're waiting for that Robert Rodriguez directors cut. You know what you mean? Oh my God, the 4R one? Oh, God. It's tough, you know?

I would say that there was way too many scenes of them giving head. Well, I mean, they're all head. Exactly. So that's the whole show, really. This episode's not going to make it to YouTube. It's going to get pulled. It'll be our first ever episode pulled from YouTube. I would say we get to monetize,

but that would imply we're getting monetized in the first place. No, I think we're just telling the truth, man. If this is too spicy for YouTube, then YouTube's going to have to bug up their ideas. They know what the people want to see. Yeah, we're going to start an OnlyFans just for this episode. and then just post pictures of sugar money yeah yeah we're gonna commission some fan artists out there

we'll draw ourselves oh okay i want to see you draw it let me hang on i can't draw do you are the one who animates you do it animate yeah have you seen my animations i'm just saying i think it would be the perfect medium for the sugar man modoc love story what am i drawing sugar man and modoc engaged in a romantic embrace. Okay. While you're drawing that, I'm going to step away and turn a light on

because it's starting to get really dark in here. I'm going to just real quick, if it looks like I'm on my phone, I'm getting a little reference picture of Sugarman and of Modoc. This is a good reason Spotify guys to listen to the YouTube show because you're about to see something at the end of this episode. You're about to see something that you fucking wish you'd seen years ago. This is going to put hairs in the shit. Dating all the way back to Age of Apocalypse,

where you first saw this creepy little guy, and you know what, I want to see him make out with Modoc. He's got that long prehensile tongue. Imagine. Just imagine. Okay. So Johnless January is going great.

Some days I'm like, does he keep us on track? Another days I'm like, man, good thing John's not here to ruin our phone. Good thing John's not here. John's not here to like ruin everything Because he wouldn't like this He's like you're not talking about another radioactive sperm

And we're like come on man Yeah He'd be like oh we gotta talk about Magneto Yeah Oh are you gonna be talking about Magneto Am I even talking to know Magneto's definitely had a solo series Well a couple I would imagine

Yes He's a very big name Yeah he's a big guy I was thinking about Magneto But then I'm like I don't know man Obviously he's he's a guy that's got a lot of traction Do people really want to know what he's up to? Of course.

You know, I will say that, well, you know, just to kind of, as an aside, there are some names on this list that I'm surprised had a solo series. Yeah. Like, um, Fool Killer had a series. Yeah, I saw that. That was weird. It was weird. Fool Killer had a series and Galactus had a series. Galactus, I'm not that surprised about it.

I'm still surprised about Kang the Conqueror. And you know it was them trying to like get that imseousy. see you shit going on because they're like King's going to be a big deal in our series. Oops. Well, there's still time. Yeah. There's still time. I really like Kang. I thought that the Kang they were doing in the TV show

was, or in the films was like a really good idea. It was. And then everybody seemed really dying on it. I'm like, come on, man. You know, give it a chance. And then they didn't give it a chance because circumstances happened. Yeah. But it is what it is, right? Indeed.

They look kind of the same, don't you think? Modoc and Sugarman? Yeah. Yes. Do they have the same... It would be good together. Well, do you think they have the same family? Well, is it...

I mean, Modoc is what, mechanized organism designed only for killing? Well, what's Sugarman designed for? Lovin. Touching. So he's got all those arms. Touching other people's big, weird faces. you know

and trust me why don't you do another one while I will I I'm going to turn a light on you vamp for just a moment it's going to take me like five seconds okay five seconds I can do that so

it's nice and handy that these two guys look very similar because that makes the drawing a little bit easier I haven't made him like six foot or whatever though because I don't think Modoc's that big I don't think so I don't think Modoc's that big

He's like a little baby egg thing Isn't he? Modok? Isn't Modok like a little baby egg thing? I mean yeah He's essentially like a big Squarish head in a floating chair Yeah

Whereas I've made like Sugarman kind of the same size as him Which is... I mean Modak's pretty big though I mean he's not tiny Let me see if I can find Modoc's stats on the Marvel database He's not like six foot though, is he?

We'll find out. Okay. Do you want to do another one? Hold on. We're going to get Modox his stats real quick. What do his feet look like? Oh, they're just like regular feet. Yeah, he just got regular feet.

I mean, he just looks like a giant thing with a big head. Can you see that? We can't. See, this was worth it. Big tongue lick it. Is big tongue licking Moodock's face? There you go. I mean, how was that?

Modoc is listed as 12 feet tall, so he's taller than Sugar Man, and 750 pounds. Not that far away weight-wise, which is interesting. Very interesting. All right, well, that was fun. Yeah, that was a great little aside. Yeah, I'm glad everybody can see that. Should I have waited until the end? Maybe.

It's fine. It was worth it. I was too excited, you know. So another name on the list. This will be kind of a difference from our characters who have a mysterious backstory and or like have existed for a long period of time. I mean, technically this is for a long period of time. I'm going to go with Hellboy's Magnolaverse and I'm going to go with the character of Rasputon. So Raspueton, we have a document.

in history, because it's Gregori Rasputin the mad monk. The actual Rasputin. We know about the actual Rasputin. We know about his history with the former Tsar. We know his life before then. We know how he came to his tragic end. I think there's a lot of story potential because of the character being around for song, especially after he gets killed in the Seed of Destruction storyline, which was the first major Hellboy story, the ghost of Rasteputon hung around for

a very long time. I think he was one of the final villainous encounters that Hellboy had before he died. So you want to see him as a ghost? Well, I'm just saying there's potential there. You could do, you could do, like, stories of him as a ghost interacting with the Baba Yaga. You could go beyond that to, like, you know, how he, you know, there's a lot of potential there because we do know that his history. We do know that there is a lot of time there that we can play with. Well, like, if you already know, a lot of his history, you're kind of like, well, if he's based on the real guy, we already know a lot of the stuff he really did, because he really did that. So here's the thing about history. It's written by the winners. We don't know the true history. We could make an educated guess,

though. We could. You and me certainly could. Not that we ever have done, of course. No, we're totally honest. Never lies. Not once. I can't recall a single time that we total a lie. A little halo. Yeah. I'm not going to mind my halo because everybody knows. You can all see mine anyway. It's right there.

Yeah, it's right there. You're just angelic. Look at that heavenly light beaming down on you. I know. I put that on for a fact. Doesn't it look good? It does. Thank you.

Again, the reason to watch the YouTube show. You have to watch it on YouTube to see the sparkly lights. So we've already addressed like 50 minutes into the show. So yeah, like I said, I mean, Russ Spooning, like I said, is obviously a character who is very tied to the occult and the supernatural. We know that after his death, we assume, you know, he was resurrected and was involved with the Nazis.

That led to Hellboy being brought into the mortal plane to begin with. Like Nazis. Yeah, it's always Nazis. Can't trust him. But yeah, no. Like I said, I think Rasputin could be a good one, and it's outside the Marvel and D.C. world, which is always nice. And I think that one honestly has the most potential to actually happen because Magnola is constantly doing miniseries with older characters or, you know, side characters like right now Sir Edmund Gray, who is like a witch hunter from the, you know, the Edwardian period has been having multiple miniseries over the years.

So, yeah. So there's, it's possible. I think that one's the most possible of what we've done. discuss so far. Well, you've seen the Sugarman picture, though. Yeah, that's a lot. That's too hot for TV. So do you think...

Not too hot for YouTube. Don't you think somebody has seen that picture in I and Marvel? I'm like, why? We've been... We've fucked it up, man. We could have been burning money here. We could have just been making money hand of our fist with some sort of weird fan fiction about Sugar Man and Modoc here.

What an idiot's we are. Get those guys on the phone. but we'll not answer the phone because we're busy busy people We're busy drawing these pictures of Modoc and Sugarman We told them like well You why hey man If that's the deal then you have to draw a picture too

I'm not an artist Either you draw a picture or you answer the phone That's it I answer the phone Well listen Dylan Dylan does not get out of bed for less than $500 million You could have just laughed at there

Dylan doesn't get out of bed I was about to say it's why you never get out of bed Because someone's ever giving you $500 million To my knowledge, nobody has yet. You've got that Grandpa Joe thing going on from Willy Wonka. Where I'm an old man. Yeah, and you're just in bed all the time, but you're lying about being invalid until, like, you find out you're going to a chocolate factory. Then suddenly you can walk again?

I would love to go to a chocolate factory. Yeah. Wasn't there that, like, weird scam Willy Wonka, the chocolate factory thing in your country, not too long ago? Not in my country. Oh, is it Ireland? Not Northern Ireland? It was not Ireland either. Oh, where was it?

I thought it was Ireland. Is that because you heard the accents? No, no, I legitimately thought it was Ireland. It was Scotland. Oh, there you go. Now my country. Not your country. No, sir, can't trust the Scottish people.

No, I can't. Can't trust it. They talk so fast and they make fun of me for talking so slow. Is that all of them? Well, that happened a couple of times. You should just hang out with. better people, man. Oh, that was a couple

years ago. Well, that signs I'm sorry that you're running with some Scottish people was so negative. Yeah, it's okay. Whereas mine, not other but positive.

So, so, Delo, I believe it is your turn now. Okay. Why do we go to another friend of the show? Friend of the show. I always imagine, like, half of these are just going to wipe out and go, that doesn't kind.

I mean, you got a full list. I got a list in front of me, so. I got a loads, man. Yeah, another friend of the show that we're all fans of, as is my understanding of the situation. Are you familiar with a man called Hydroman? I think I've heard. of him, yes. Yeah. I don't know. I probably haven't brought him up too many times, but I think that cat's got potential. Let me tell you. I think that guy, because he's made out of water, but like, what's that all about? Am I right?

And think of all the places he could go and the things he could do, he could, like, just be part of the sea and go on a big adventure. He could, like, slide up people's drain pipes and come out through their taps in their bathrooms and just watch people when they're in the bathroom. He could do that. That's just a thing he could do. Are you suggesting that he's got like a Chuck Berry thing going on? Did Chuck Barry come up through people's taps? No, no. Chuck Barry hid cameras and restrooms.

All right. I didn't know that. You didn't know that? All right. I know that was probably knowledge. Chuck Barry was a pervert. Well, you know, the one thing you can say about our podcast is we're very educational. We know our perverts.

No, we're very educational. People learn a lot from our show. I think that's been well established. I think before our show, people didn't even think about radioactive sperm, and that's all they can think about. I mean, all we can talk about. They didn't even think about Modoc and Sugarman touching each other with six arms. Just six arms, four legs, two giant heads. One big old tongue.

One floating chair. Yeah, but they can fit, they can both fit on the chair. I bet they can. that's for the patron the fuck was I talking about oh I'm a hydroman

hydraman right so he's not maybe he just likes looking at people go to the bathroom there's nothing wrong with that all right so that's what

that's what Chuck Barry did well forget about Chuck Barry for the moment I mean he's a rock and roll icon we'll talk about him later okay

but that's just I mean that's just one of the things He doesn't have to do that. You can write in other stuff you could do. He doesn't have to look at people going to the bathroom. He doesn't have to do that. There are other options, you know. He's a sailor.

You could see him on the high seas, going on adventures. You can see him like... You can see him like Robin Banks. You can see more of him like fighting Spider-Man or learn more about his emotional well-being and how he copes with being one of Spider-Man's villains. I think Hyderman, in my humble opinion, humble and I might add, completely unbiased opinion. But there's a lot more to Hyderman than I feel like comics have really established.

And I think he's just a guy, we need to know more about it, frankly. That's what I think. I will say it would be interesting to read a book where the main character is not credibly intelligent. Because I remember looking at Hyderman's stats. and I remember the intelligence was pretty low. Excuse me. Hey, he was a sailor. You've got to be pretty smart to be in the Navy.

Not all sailors come from the Navy? I think he... Some sailors are just sailor by vocation. And you're saying that they're all stupid? Maybe. All right. We put it on the show. Document it on the Wikipedia.

Corey hates sailors. Put that on the wiki. Corey is unsure if all the sailors Stupid. It can't go either way. Fair enough. Just like Modoc. We don't know.

There we go. Oh, boy. Johnless January, folks. This is good. I like this. John would be like, why are you guys to keep talking about Modoc and Sugarman? Listen, it's better to not have a filter, isn't it? I mean, yeah, quit going.

Quit visiting your criminally insane children. work. Yeah. Come on, man. This is your fault, John. Yeah, this is all your fault. You know, he did this, does. Anyway, so that's, um,

Hydramat. Just, you know, there's some villains you don't know on the body. And really, Hygerman had like this thing where he, he got his powers and then, then after that he just see him turn up every so often. He gets his ass kicked. I'm like, there's more to this character, I feel.

You know, let's, let's establish that. Let's make him more lovable. Hey, everybody, Corey here. If you are watching on, on YouTube, then you would see that things kind of ended rather abruptly. And pretty much what happened is the feed that we were recording on just stopped. We talked for another like 15 or so minutes, including wrapping up the show. And yeah, we just lost the footage and that's okay.

Dylan and I kind of vamped around a little bit more, but you kind of got the gist of what we were talking about. So I just wanted to make a quick little addition so that I could wrap things up for us and you weren't left hanging abruptly on. So right now we are planning on recording again, of course, we do it almost every week. And we have some topics that are coming up that I think would be very interesting. I know we're going to talk about, you know, Sony in their inability to use Spider-Man as a character. So what other movies aside from Craven the Hunter or Madam Webb or Venom or Morbius they could use to potentially make Spider-Man without Spider-Man movies? That's the topic. We're also going to jump back into our deep dive of X-Men characters.

We're going to, I believe, start with Magneto, which is a topic that I know John is going to want to definitely be there for. So that's the goal is that when John does return, we'll jump into that. Aside from that, you know, it's been Johnless January so far. So John has had a lot of time to watch movies without us. So we're going to hop into 2025 to see just how many movies he's seen. Now, of course, I could figure this out right now if I wanted to by going to Letterbox and going to his profile and seeing what John's been watching in his reviews for it. If you want to do that to get a jump on it or a head start, you could find John at Big John Bowsky on Letterbox. Dylan, of course, is a man of many projects.

He has his book, he has his YouTube channel, you know, everything Captain Exploity, you can find out there. I have my other podcast, Large Old Cup. We recently just said episode 20, which is pretty exciting for me. And, yeah, that's pretty much it for projects at the moment. Be sure to follow us on Instagram. We are at, you know, The Smart Avengers. Check us out on YouTube. If you're listening to this on Spotify, if you're watching me on YouTube, and you just want to hear

the audio version and not have me randomly look off in other directions or clap my hands or using my hands too much when I talk. You can definitely check us out on Spotify as well. Until next time, though, I'll wrap it up like large old cup because I'm here by myself, so why not? I hope you're all being recklessly brave. I hope you're being delusional confident, and I hope you're having fun out there, and we will see you guys later.

Goodbye.