The Smark Avengers - Vol 3, Ep 7: The Smark Avengers Pick Their Sinister Six

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

The most important part of being part of a team is having a unified goal or vision. Some want to make life a little easier... some want to leave the world a better place than how they found it... and some just really hate Spider-Man. A team that has seen the likes of Doc Ock, Kraven the Hunter, Mysterio, and the Vulture - the Sinister Six is the premier villainous team-up in the world of the Webhead. Over the past 60 years the Sinister Six have seen multiple line-ups but who is to say that any of those were the PERFECT line-up? Join Corey, Dylan, and Jon as they discuss who they think could make the best line-up of the Sinister Six!

Maybe it should be. Yeah, our show could have something to do with the Ramones. They were both Smarks and Avengers. Well, one of the, I think one of the remones, I think maybe Tommy would like, somebody said like, oh yeah, he'd be a big manga guy right now. Well, they famously did the cover of the Spider-Man theme tune from the animated show back in this. Oh, it all comes together. Yeah. It all comes together.

We didn't mention that. Well, I guess this is a Spider-Man episode, so we can talk about that. Yeah, we can talk about, we can talk about the Ramones. You know that that D.D. Ramon apparently was a sex worker to, you know, fuel his drug addiction. Hey, man, you got to do what you got to do. Yep. Sure do. Drugs are expensive.

Absolutely are. Don't start to show off like that. Oh, we've been recording. So just talking about the remotes. Don't make the opening of the show. me saying true. I mean, it's a fact. So, yeah, you know, we're not saying anything incorrect. But we just happen to know from experience that drugs are expensive. Yes. We'll just leave that there. On the episode that we just did, Dylan, earlier this week, that did include you joking about coming to

America to smuggle drugs. So you're going to start getting reputation if you're not careful. Yes, that's right. Joking. Joking. In game. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Smart Avengers. I'm Corian with me or John and Dylan. And we are not in the habit of discussing the Ramones or drugs here on the show. Mainly we talk about comic books, which some would say we do an okay job at. I'll take that. Is that what people in Poland say? I don't know. Haven't heard anything yet. Could be. Could be. We got another German listener. the way. We're getting big over in Europe. You guys are going to have to go on tour and do speaking engagements. Are you not coming? Fuck no. I don't have a passport. You have a passport? No, Dylan. The United States is a very big place. I have had no reason to go outside of the country yet,

nor the funds to do it. Well, that's fair. I'll come over and see you guys. We'll do a live recording when we're all in the same room someday. Someday. One of these days. who's the shortest one here me how tall are you like 5 5 5 oh you i think john how tall are you i'm 6 1 and a half yeah that actually honestly that checks out because that feels like how it was that feels like how it was for some reason why i envisioned us i was like john's probably the tallest of 5 7 so what what did that have to do with anything i don't know Just usually the first time you meet somebody first time, that's I always clock the height thing. Okay.

I'm going to have less respect for you now that I know you're shorter than me. You have to do what I say. I'm not at all bothered about that. Well, today we're not talking about height disparities. In fact, we're going to be talking about a subject matter that I feel like John and Dylan are going to be a little more comfortable with in some of the last few episodes we've done where we've talked about the Flash and Robbins and stuff. we're going to be discussing the Sinister 6 Would you guys like to inform the crowd who the Sinister 6 is?

The crowd. Hey, we've got listeners. Yeah, like they're outside our house. Yeah, right now. Yeah, yeah. It came all the way from Poland just to stand outside my house. I'd like to take this time to tell everybody that I don't like that.

Please stop doing this. You know? The Sinister 6. Stop coming to my house. Yeah, just stay away from me completely, if that's okay with everyone. The Sinister 6 are Spider-Man villains.

Over to you, John. Well, it was a group originally put together by Dr. Octopus featuring I think the original line that was, Doc off. I got in front of me.

Oh, okay. Oh, let John do it. Yeah, let's do it. I'll tell you if you're right. Okay. Doc Ock, Vulture, Electro,

Mysterio, Sandman, and Craven the Hunter. Well done. That is the original Sinister 6. Do you know when they originally showed up? It was in,

Spider-Man annual number one, wasn't it? It was. Do you know, now give me the month and year. No, I can't do that. That's too much. It was October 1964. I was going to say February 1968, so I would have been way off.

You're closer. Closer for sure. But yeah, no, so that is the original Sinister 6 lineup. Combined and united through their dislike of Spider-Man. So that is not the only incarnation of the Sinister Six. We talked about them,

a little bit off of the recording, because of how many members they were, and to avoid a how to kill the Flash situation, we're not going to go through each member individually. What I will say is that there have been a lot of them, like a lot of different incarnations of the team. So let's see. 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.

Yeah, and that 16th Sinister 6 was comprised of six different teams of six villains. So I guess you could technically say like 21, 22. But I said that that doesn't really kind. And then like the Sinister 12 doesn't kind. the Sinister 16 doesn't kind The Sinister 60. The Sinister 60. Yeah. Doesn't count. Because they're called the Sinister 6.

You can't have The Sinister 60 is not part of that group. That's the same, you know. So really it's only like 12. It's just fine. Yeah. So because there are so many

different members of that group, When you think of the Sinister 6, do you just think of that original 6? Ish. So, like, I feel like there's a handful of, like, guys that you could kind of interchange, you know, the original 6 and then a couple of other ones were, like, if they were in the group, you wouldn't bat an eyelid. And so I feel like, like, a proper Sinister 6 has some combination of them. So, like, the ones that we named, but also, like, chameleon.

or rhino you know i feel could slot into there no problem you would be like that makes sense i was going to say yeah and like the because um spider man the animated series was sort of uh my entry point into uh the spider man comics and everything like those guys from the uh not the sinister six but the insidious six because apparently fox thought that uh sinister was too nilely a word for kids to deal with. So they said, no, you can't call on that. You have to call on the insidious six. Which is even better.

Like, now you're teaching kids different words. When would a kid ever hear the word insidious? I'd like to think, like, we're in the business of educating children, and Sinister has two few syllables for my liking. Let's throw insidious on there. Yeah, we need to make it longer,

a more complicated. We need to come up with a word where a kid can go up to their parents and go, hey, what does this mean? And the parents go, I don't fucking know. Stop talking to me. Got in my house. You're not my real child. So,

changeling came in. Quick, throw them into the fireplace. Yeah, it's a whole thing, you know. Strange scenario they imagine, but that's spider

on the 90s for you. Yeah. So there have been a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of different members of these teams. And this is kind of an old format

that we would use previously in episodes that are long gone, but we thought it would be fun to create our own Sinister 6 lineups with the idea of like, if you were tasked to, you know, put together a team that could take down Spider-Man feasibly, who would you pick? So I think we did add some parameters.

They did not just have to be Spider-Man villains. It was open to all of Marvel. It was not open to DC. I don't know if we agreed if it was going to be open to else worlds or not, but that's not really a problem for me. No, not for me either. Okay. Yeah, just, yeah, it's making a Marvel thing.

Yeah. So these just, that's the only parameters. They just have to be marble. So I have one team, and I don't know how many lineups did you create. Technically four. Oh, yeah. thought. Yeah. You just, we just, you got started and you just couldn't stop.

Well, no. Okay. So what was going to happen was I wanted to have two different teams. And then I was like, well, let me just make a couple more. And then I thought it'd be really funny to do a gag where I did five teams of Sinister 6 and like intensely leave off a 6th one. And then I also thought it would be funny if one of the gag teams was the actual Sinister 6. But I think the time has passed for that joke. It's not going to work. work. That's fair. You know, so... We did talk about them first. Yeah, we laid out exactly who they are. And so I don't think the joke's going to work. So, really, I have four teams, four sinister six teams. John, how many sinister six teams do you have?

Just one. Yeah, that makes sense. If I was a smart man, I would have done one as well. See, I was worried that I was underprepared because I only made one. but Dylan, you made up for both John and I. So you have one. If you guys want to borrow one of my teams, let me know. Well, we'll see.

Yes, we want. Honestly, if we go through these really fast, it might be fun just to like off the cuff six members of the Sinister 6. Like who you come up with when you're not really thinking. Okay. Okay. So I guess does anybody have a preference as to who goes first? I know, Dylan, you got a few, but I know sometimes you like to go last.

Yeah, should I go last? What if I do one of my teams now? Yeah, do one of your teams. Then John will do a team. And then you do another one of your teams. And then I'll do a team. And then you do your last two teams. Okay, that makes sense.

Yeah, that will confuse somebody. So I have four different teams with four different gimmicks, I guess, if you will. So you guys can pick which one you want to hear first. I have one which is just Spider-Man villains. I have one which is like a water-based team. I have one that's villains from all over Marvel, not just Spider-Man. And then I have one which is just females. It's all ladies.

So you guys want to pick which Sinister 6 you want to hear from, and I'll tell you all about it. John, do you have a preference? I'm kind of interested in the water-based one. I'm guessing that was inspired by the old itsy-bitsy spider getting washed down the water spout. No, it was, well, you'll very quickly pick up on what it was influenced by. Okay. Should we go with that one then?

Yeah. Okay. So I thought it would be funny to make a team based on water. themed villains because I'm like there's buying to be loads of them right

because you know Spider-mon has got loads of like insect-beast villains or that kind of their bites there's probably

loads of water based villains right so for this one the leader I went with Dr. Octopus

because he's an octopus right that's in the water you can see checks checks out that's in the water

following you. No issues there. Could Dr. Octopus actually go in the water? Probably not. You would imagine his tentacles would get electrified or whatever.

It wouldn't work. He'd probably sink pretty quickly as well. Yeah. I don't know how that would work, but for the basis of this imaginary list, let's say that Dr. Octopus is the leader. Isn't that the cruelest irony

about Dr. Octopus, though, that he would likely sink underwater, just do the little weight of his arms? Yeah. Is that the cruelest irony? I mean, the first cut is the deepest, as Cheryl Crow would say. They never address this in the comics. And I feel like they're missing a trick. They probably are.

You know, there's that, like, that spider that extends its legs and is able to kind of balance on the surface of the water. I'm kind of curious if, like, that would work for Dr. Octopus, too. Like, if he extended all of his legs and arms really far, would he just, like, be perfectly balanced, on top of the water. I don't think so. You know though, I guess it's probably for the best that Dr.

Arctopus doesn't go into the water that often or his main enemy. He would be the Stingray. And that's probably a Marvel character that very few people know about because you don't get a lot of opportunities to have underwater adventures with the Stingray. Yeah. Boy, Stingray would have really helped me when I was coming up with this team. that's a bit of a spoiler um so dr octopus obviously leader of the gang but you gotta have like a kind of like a tough guy backing you up so i went with hydraman who of course i think we talked about in another episode

that went up i really like hydra man for no i don't know why but i really like him and so you know he's kind of like a dumb guy but he could be the muscle of the group. I thought that would be really good. Then I went with the squid similar to Dr. Octopus. He's got lots of arms. That's pretty much all he does is always, I think he has some kind

of ink squirting ability. You know, standard squid stuff. So he could be there. He could be like a protege to Dr. Octavis if he wanted, or he could, you know, just be there to try to steal secrets from Dr. Octavis. There's levels

to this. you could absolutely do something there the eel because eels are in water he doesn't have a part of the storyline the wateris because they kind of live in water I mean it's

you can you can see exactly when this idea fell apart right the first two create idea and then the rest of it happened and then I run out of people for the so I just wrote

I invented a new character called crab claws and he's he's the sick guy crab claws he has big crab claws for hands and that's it

doesn't like boiling water no I would not either if I were a crab so if you like the perfect it's probably for the best he's on the good side of Hydro Man because all Hydra Man would really need to do is like have a team up with

the human torch and the crab's done. Yeah, but also I don't imagine Crap Clause is too much of a threat to anybody. So no, Hyderon probably wouldn't have to do too much to him. He would just be like, ah, whatever. Do we know for a fact of Spider-Man has a shellfish allergy though? I don't believe so. Okay. Because maybe that could be his advantage.

you know if he makes spider man like have to reach for an epipen anytime he's nearby yeah but but also like if that was a thing that feels like something they would have introduced already see and that's kind of why like we wouldn't be really great at marvel because i would have pitched that idea it's like no but he's a serious threat because peter parker like when he was 12 he had a crab roll and it made him like swell up and he had to go to the emergency room yeah and and also we never mentioned that and that, you know, 70 years. Well, I mean, how organically does that come up in a conversation? You normally find out if somebody has a food allergy if you're about to consume said food.

Because that person goes, oh, no, no, no, I can't. I'm allergic. I just don't know if how many panels over the years have been like, you know, Peter and Mary Jane hanging out and Mary Jane going, hey, I was thinking about like, let's go to Red Lobster for dinner, because I know Red Lobster probably has like the best Red Lobster in the world probably is New York City. And Peter's like, oh, no, no, no, no. I can't because I have a shellfish allergy.

I mean, that does not sound like a riveting Spider-Man comic to you? I enjoy a slice of life comic. Yeah, where like Spider-Man and Murray-Jana just eating soup. Yeah, they're just hanging around. They're just hanging around in the liver room discussing what they're going to have for dinner. Yeah. You know, and he's just like, I don't know, you decide.

She's like, I always have to decide. And he's like, we have this conversation all the time. Oh, you're just like my mother. and then, you know, but also, if you're deciding, make sure we don't go to seafood restaurant

because you know it makes me sick. And then that, that's the exposition that explains that. But then Crab Clause jumps through the window and he's like,

aha, finally, I've also figured out that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. You know what, though, I would be for that. It would be a great storyline

of like a really low-level villain found out, like, the hero's super identity, but he's so low-level, nobody believes him. That was a gimmick I wanted to do. If I was written Spider-Man,

that was something I was going to do. Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what villain was, but I had somebody in mind. And, like, he, like, somehow he figures out who Spider-Man is, and it's, like, a really obvious way of figuring it out. He did it. But, like, nobody else was like, come on, man,

that guy, there's no way he's Spider-Man, you know? And nobody believes him. Anyway, so that was my water beast. Are there any questions? How would they fare against Spider-Man in like a landlock state? So like say if they were all in Oklahoma for some reason, like, how are they going to, how are they going to like, you know, utilize their water abilities to demolish Spider-Man? I would say very poorly. You know what though?

Maybe like if if you're writing the Hydro Man six issue mini series Dylan, that might be a really good story arc. You could like redeem him and turn into a hero if he goes to like a part of the country that is like suffering a drought. And he's like, oh, I got this. And Hydro Man becomes like the city of like the hero of like West Texas. Do they drink him? No, no. He waters the crops. With himself?

Yeah. And then you could do it. but it's just carot urination when you do it. And then he's in the plants? So are you suggesting that every drop of water of Hydroman is, he has the same shared conscious with. But then this is, this is trying. If so, we're going to have to have a really uncomfortable conversation

about the number of times Spider-Man has technically been inside of Hydroman. And like that's the war and that's really weird. I don't think that that's an uncomfortable. conversation at all. I feel like that's a natural thing to talk about. I, I, I,

I, I, I'll be honest me. I wasn't prepared for this level of, conversation about it. I, I, I think we should actually save that for a different show.

Okay, okay. We'll have a, we can have a, um, physiology, like a, a,

uh, a physiology episode where we look at like a character and we talk about the things that are disturbing to us about their bodies. Yeah. I think that could, work. It'll be the body shaming episode.

It's not body shaming. We want to make it very clear. We're not going to shame anybody. But also, these are fictional characters so we can say

whatever we want. Yeah, grow up. Yeah. Leave us alone. How come more people don't listen to us? To be totally fair, though, we haven't been

body shamed anybody. Let's not start that rumor. We haven't done anything wrong. We didn't do anything wrong, okay. All good. Anyway. All right. So John, would you like to go with your lineup?

Yeah, sure. You might notice a theme with the guys I picked, but I'll leave it up to you if you can spot it. Are they all water beasts? No, unfortunately. not. Okay, because I got that. That's my game. I figured that you'd have to be crazy to do water-based. Yeah, you'd have to be pretty fucking stupid

to come up with that. So, I am a big fan of all the goblin characters, but I figured, I mean, it'd be too obvious to go for Norman Osborne, and I've always had a soft spot for the Hobgoblin, so I'd go for old Roderick Kinsley, who as far as I'm aware, it wasn't a member of the Sinister 6, although I think a version of the Hobgoblin was at one point. But he's basically, you know, he's got all the powers of the goblin formula, but none of the madness that plagued the Osbournes.

A bit of a manipulator as well. So, and he's, he's, you know, obviously got some beef with Spider-Man. So there you go. There's the leader of our group. Next. Do you might interject in just one moment? The only hobgoblin I'm seeing that is credited is Jason McIndale. Yeah, that's the one I thought was a member.

I remember reading like a French comic when I went over to France on a school trip with that. I think it must have been that series where the Sinus Six reformed after however many years. and he was part of it. But I couldn't understand a word of it because it was all in French. So there you go. Yeah. Yes.

Anyway, member number two is a guy called Fritz von Meier, who you might know as Swarm, who was a Nazi scientist who discovered a colony of mutated bees in South America. But unfortunately, the bees ate his body,

and left only his skeleton behind. But, you know, worse comes to worse, you know, your consciousness can suddenly be absorbed by this killer hive of mutated bees and then allow you to sort of manipulate them into recreating your body through the hive. So, you know, yeah, that's what happened. And he's been a Spider-Man foe before. He's even been on a version of the series. Sinister 6 before, apparently, along with such

renowned names as 8-Bore, Delilah, Killer Shrike, Melter, and a guy you had on your team, Devon, Squid. He was the leader of that group of the Sinister 6, too. There you go. Don't, you know, sleep on swarm. He's a tough son of a gun. I mean, you couldn't just sting you if he slapped on him.

exactly he's like he's a smart man he's a scientist you know it makes sense i have two two things to bring up about swarm one he was he was defeated in that his master six line it was defeated by helian who is a younger and mutant character from the x-man world um and i just thought that was funny because like he got beat by a teenager essentially and two this is the second time swarm has up on the show. On our episode of weird superpowers from a year ago, Swarm was one of your picks, John. You was a we've learned that John really likes Nazi bees. Can I, can I, can I just interject briefly?

I was thinking about putting swarm on one of my teeth. I was surprised they were swarm toys. Like I was looking like. Really? Yeah. Yeah. There's like action figures of swarm. how do you make an action figure of a man made of bees

apparently pretty easily I had good fun with my swarm action figure do you have one yeah did that action figure influence this decision in any way I think it may have done subconsciously and I'm only just realizing this now that it's been brought up this is like therapy

yeah so my third member is Tony Masters, a.k.a. Taskmaster. Who's a mercenary for hire. He can mimic any fighting style

or move that he sees someone else perform, thanks to his photographic reflexes. And I guess he's sort of like a go-to guy as well if you're forming a team since he's been on like the Thunderbolts, the Fight for Four,

Secret Avengers, The Shadow Initiative, the Masters of Evil, the Cape Killers. And like he's worked for Shield and AIM and as well or AIM. I don't know how, do you pronounce it, aim or AIM? I don't know. I say EAM. Wow. Or you could just be pretentious and say advanced idea mechanics.

Yeah. I should have done that. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. He's like a good guy to have on your team if you're having a team. So there's member number three Can I just say John

Already I'm really liking your team because I was thinking about picking Tasmasters for one of my teams as well You were on the same wheel length here I like this Okay well let's see if we can make it 4 for 4 then so my fourth member was Crimson Cow Okay well we had a good run

Crimson cow Yeah Like the bovine No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, okay. I would say I have not heard of Crimson Cow. Because I was going to say, like, they're like, we'll go to the tie in the Smart Avengers thing very briefly. They're in Chikara, which is a, was a promotion in Philadelphia area in Pennsylvania.

They did this gimmick where it was, they had a wrestler. His name was create a wrestler and fans would submit in ideas for what they thought his gimmick should be. And the very first time they ran that gimmick, Moscow, the communist bovine won. So, so yeah, there was a guy in like a cow outfit with like a singlet with a hammer and sickle on it. And I just immediately, that's where my mind went when I heard crimson cow. Yeah, this is definitely not bovine related. It was originally a gimmick that Ultron used where he sort of, I think he basically manipulated Jarvis, the Avengers butler,

and got him like hypnotized or something and, you know, manipulated him. But this version that I am picking for my team isn't Jarvis. It's Justine Hammer, who is the daughter of Justin Hammer, famously played by Sam Rockwell in the Iron Man 2 movie and she basically created her own version of the Masters of Evil

and battled the Thunderbolts back in the day and she has a cloak which has several abilities like being able to sort of stretch out and attack or like rapid itself around enemies or allows her to like levitate as well and teleport.

So she's got, you know, she's got a lot going on right there. And then for my fifth member, I went for a guy. I mentioned, I think last week maybe in one of the other ones we did with the flash. But this is Corvus Glave, a member of Thanos Black Order, who, like I said last time, wields a glave, which is a really sharp blade that's so sharp that it can split atoms and basically you just like cut through anything. Just create nuclear fucking mushroom clouds every time he swings it because he's splitting

atoms with every swing. Yeah. That's a level of control on that. He basically can't die as well unless the blade has been. broken so I mean that's a pretty good you know factor to have on your team I think like someone who's basically immortal do we have to do an episode where we kill this guy I hope we could yeah I think we could we could do that and then the last member of my team is Parker Robbins aka the hood who hey we're back because I was thinking about using the

I just unfortunately caught the gimmick, John. Thank God someone did. Yeah, so he was basically just a regular guy, a regular thief who managed to stumble upon like some sort of mystic ritual where he stole like the cape and boots from a demon. then was imbued with the power of flight and like magic bullets and being able to teleport and turn invisible. And yeah, he basically formed his own crime syndicate and showed he was, you know, like a team player as far as criminal groups go. And he also worked with the Crimson Cow when he did that as well.

So, you know, there's a bit of teamwork going on there. And yeah, there you go. There's my Sinister 6. So, Dylan, did you catch the gimmick behind Johns? I didn't, but that's because I'm... They have a real weakness if they have to look to their left or right. What? John, go ahead and tell them what it is.

They basically all wear hooded capes. Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah. It's a stylistic choice more than anything. Although I guess it means that, like, laundry day is going to be pretty rough. Everyone trying to wash their cloaks at the same time. Yeah, I'm looking at Crimson Cowls right now, and I think definitely has to be dragging the ground when she moves. Yeah.

But it's worth it. Yeah, you can't put a price on style, you know. Exactly. I think that's a pretty good team. Like, there was, like I said, there's a lot of guys on there that I probably would have. was either thinking about or was maybe on one of my teams, you don't know. I'll be honest, though. I didn't really factor in the whole going after Spider-Man part at all, so I don't know how they do against it.

I know. I mean, this is the same on my water-based team. It seems like a good idea, but then you're like, well, why would these six guys be together? What is the motivation for any of these fucking guys, you know? But I think I was a pretty good team, though. Thank you. I'm pretty happy with that. So, Dylan, you've got three more teams?

Yes, I do. What are the other identifiers, and we'll pick one of those? One of them is Spider-Man villains. One of them is just villains from all over Marvel. And one of them is a female-based team. Which one do you want to save for last, and we'll pick from the other two? I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe I should do my all villains one. I do that one? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So this is the one where I was thinking about using some of those guys at John. So I was thinking about Taskmaster on this team maybe. And I was either going to do Taskmaster or this guy. And I went with this guy just because me and John have some kind of psychic link where I knew exactly what he was going to do.

So I went with The first guy I thought of My other team was Bullseye I think he's a really good character to have on a team You know He's just a horrible person But he's also really good at what he does Quite like Taskmaster

They're both very good at what they do And they're both very good at like That kind of fighting Which is a little bit more Um Uh physical you know, more, more hand-to-hand kind of thing or, you know, they're not like shooting

lasers out of their eyes or, you know, fighting you with a bodymate of the bees. A bit more grounded. Yeah, that's what I was looking for, yeah, yeah. So I went with, yeah, I went with Bolzac because I thought he was also like him. He'd think he's pretty cool. But I thought, all right, if we're going to have a leader,

He's bull's eye He's not a leader He's just a psychotic Mess basically But if you're going to have a leader Of a sinister 6 team Who's the most sinister person in comics

In Marvel comics Right I think I know the answer But I'm not going to spoil it I imagine you both do Um Which is Mr Sinister right There you go

He's the most in it It's in his name He's a he's a sinister man So I thought well He makes sense. Yeah. So there you go. It's Mr. Sinister.

We got Bullseye. You need a big, everybody needs a big power always on their team. Big, big breed of a guy. So I went with Juggernaut. I like that boy. But I think as a villain,

I think he makes more sense as a villain than a hero. Which I think we briefly touched upon when we were talking my recent X-Men stuff. Yeah, we did. So, last week. I went with Juggernaut. I think he was pretty good.

I wanted. somebody kind of like trickstery you know like in the original team they had Mysterio and then later teams have had camellian and stuff like that I wanted somebody kind of like that I wanted to try to cover a lot of bases so I went with

mystique I thought it would be an interesting kind of choice also because I realized a lot of these teams are very meal-based and I needed to put fucking some females in there at some point I thought mystique would be a really good idea She can cover that kind of mysterious camellian role really well.

I also went with Ghost. Oh. You guys are familiar with Ghost? I'm very familiar with Ghost. Yeah, I always thought he was really cool. So, you know, he's also a little bit more trickier. You can see, like, a lot of those guys are quite grounded. A lot of these guys, Mr. Sinister's a bit of a mad, madman.

But a lot of these other guys are kind of more grounded, more, you know, that kind of of team. And then the last pick, obviously I went with Hyderman. Yes. Because you need... What are the chance? Well, as we discussed with the Iceman episode, every team needs somebody whose whole power is one element. Yeah.

John, your power, you're one character who's one element was bees. Bees. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember in Captain Planet where it was like Earth, fire, water. Bees. Love

on the bees. Is that German kid just loudly screaming bees on the top of his own? Oh no, he's covered in him. They're eating his body. He's fine. You'll be all right. You know.

So that was my all villains. Team. Pretty solid for the most part. maybe one guy you might think is a little bit of place to the rest of them. I thought that was a pretty good team to be fair. What do you guys think? You have no complaints? No complaints to put that one at all?

Well, I mean, you know, Hydraman maybe is, you know, I don't know what he's doing there, but. He's just making some money. He's just there to make some money, you know? Why not? So can you run down, just as a quick recap, who all was on your team? Mr. Sinister, Bullseye, Mystique, Juggernaut, Ghost, and Hyderman. It's not a bad team. Yeah, I know.

I really like the inclusion of Ghost. I always just think of Warren Ellis as Thunderbolts from the Dark Rain era. Because that was really, that's where I got really introduced to the character and enjoyed it. I did not see Ant Man and the Wasp, so I have no. idea how ghost did there, but I did see the ghost as a part of that Thunderbolts lineup that's going to be on Disney Plus. No, I think it was a good lineup. I kind of liked the mix of the villains there.

So, so anyway, mine, like John, I also have a bit of a gimmick with my characters. Okay. Now it should also be noted. I've said it a couple of times. Spider-Man is not one of my main. characters. A lot of my knowledge of Spider-Man comes from the cartoon, and when Todd McFarlane was doing the art in the 90s. So that being said, what I know the most about Spider-Man is much like the natural enemy of fire is water. The natural enemy of spiders is goblins.

So hardly so, yes. Leading this version of the Sinister Six, is the green goblin I mean fair enough right now which green goblin who else to fight Spider-Man than the man who grew up calling him his best friend Harry Osborne

interesting choice yes my second character that will be in this it is another character who has some history with Spider-Man I'm going to go, and was he also member of the Sinister 6 previously we discussed, I'm also going with the Hobgoblin, but I'm going with Jason McIndale.

Oh, that's a pre-of-choice. Yeah, because he's kind of a prick. Well, kind of. Yeah. So I've got Green Goblin. I've got Hobgoblin. This is a character that I know was vicious and mean and vile. Because of his association with renowned serial killer, Cletus Cassidy, I'm going with the Dema Goblin.

Can I just say, John earlier was like, I like the Goblins, but I'm not going to, it would be too obvious to make a team of all goblins. Just want to remind everybody that that's what happened earlier. Yep. Really put the fear of God in me for a moment. Oh, no. John somehow managed to pick up. my same gimmick. So I've got

Harry Osborne is the green goblin. I've got Jason McIdle as a hobgoblin. I've got the Dema Goblin who is a demon from Limbo, if I'm not mistaken. So you know, like father like son, my

fourth pick is going to be the golden goblin Norman Osborne. Because we all know it's only a matter of time before Norman reverts back to his villainous ways. And what better way for father and son to bond than by going after Spider-Man? You know what's even better when father and son bond?

Father-son and grandson? Yes, the Red Goblin. The Joint Sinister Six lineup. So I've got Normie Osborne, who has the added benefit of having a symbiate in the group. So, you know, there's some differences. there. You've got Harry Osborne doing the classic gimmick. You got Jason McIntyle who's the green goblin

without all the added insanity. You've got a literal demon. You've got a symbiate. You've got Norman child. Yeah, you've got normal who's like he's got all the experience. He was the Iron Patriot and was like the director of sword or shield or

hammer, whatever the fuck they were calling his thing in Dark Rain. So I've got one spot left. Please don't be the Grey Gogling. No, it is not the great goblin because much like Dylan, I have an eye for diversity. And I think it's important that everybody feels like they're welcome at the sinister six table. And so I'm reaching outside of the confines of the Spider-Man world. And if a demon from Limbo is going to be part of the team, it only makes sense that the demonic queen of Limbo be there as well.

I'm talking about Madeline Pryor, aka the goblin queen. Goblin Queen. I was like, what the fuck other goblin could it be? Of course. And that is my lineup. The Sinister 6 colon. Oops, all goblins. Oops, all goblins.

I got to say, there's some interesting choices there. You know, that G. G.S. McIndleel is a hobgoblin. I got to say, I don't think a lot of people would have said their favorite hobgoblin is G. G.S. McIntyill. I, when I started reading comics, he was the hobgoblin.

It was him. And he was the hobgoblin in the animated show as well. Yes, he was. He was actually the hobgoblin, like quite a while, most of the 90s, I think. So I get that, you know. I thought he was the Demo Goblin as well, though. He was. He was.

He got possessed by it, but the Demo Goblin is in fact just a demon. Well, yes, it combined with him, but then it split off as a separate thing. And it was like a demon that, you know, already existed anyway. And then just joined with him at some point. So can I explain my rationale with why I went with Jason? Yes. Okay. I was originally going to go with Phil Ulrich because his Hobgobgobdun design was the one with the wings and the flaming sword and stuff.

Yeah. But then I was like, oh, I feel like more people know who Jason McDale is. So I'm going to go with that one. Okay. Hard hitting research on that one. Yeah, not your own personal preference. You're like, nah, just what the people want. It's what the people want.

We give the people what they want. Do the people want Jason McAdeal? The people want in all goblins line up of the Sinister Six. All goblins. All goblins. You got three members of the Osborne family, father, son, grandfather. you've got, you know, you got a lady that's a demon. You got one of the demons that probably serve her.

And then you got Jason McIndale. Who has no ties with that watch. Has no connection to anybody. He was at one point possessed by the Demogoblin. I guess we could argue that. Oh, yeah. Okay. We'll give you that.

We'll give you that. Yeah, please do. I need all the help. Pretty good. I mean, it ties together better than my water-based villains. So, you know, fair enough. John, what do you think about that? Who the fuck is the Grey Goblin?

The Grey Goblin was Norman's son that he had with Gwen Stacy, apparently, which I think... Oh, son of a bitch. I could have put another Osborne on there. Yeah, but thankfully, I think they wrecked on that, so I'm not sure what the hell's going on. I remember seeing those panels of Norman Osborne and the Gwen Stacy sex scene. That was... You ever want to see Tommy Lee joins in mid, Tommy Lee Jones and mid-coitus, there you go. For the record, one of like, I think like unanimously, like one of the worst, most hated Spider-Man storylines, like, ever.

I remember reading that I'm being like, this sucks. Who made that call? Who made that call? It's so creepy. None of it makes any sense. It's all a horrible, like, why would anybody do this? this, you know. And then they try,

they really tried to make it a thing. And like, it's not, it's not gonna work. Put it away. You know. Yeah. It was,

was it just because of this point, like, when Stacy is kind of like a saint in the world of Spider-Man? I mean, I guess. I think it's just the key. So they just don't know

how to leave shit alone. They thought it was a great idea. Yeah. They're like, why don't we do this? This will keep people interested. And we're like, it'll get them talking.

It ended up tying into the whole Kindred storyline as well Where I think wasn't Gabriel The real like kindred or something Like the the demon that was manipulated Spider-Man and Norman Osborne And ruining both their lives and stuff But I don't know It was

It was awful Yeah that was This is actually something we were talking about before we started today's show me and Corey were talking about that the sinister six where there's six different teams of sinister teams yeah it's part of the kindred storyline and I was telling Corey where that story like the kindred idea started off interesting this is interesting it could go somewhere it's got potential and it ended like it just nobody knows what the fuck's going on It's just nonsense

And to be fair He tried to like tie some storylines together And tried to make He tried to make that fucking awful storyline With Norman Osborne Tried to make it make sense Unfortunately what he did was just made everything way more confusing

Yeah So this was JMS Who did this Who did the original Yeah It was Nick Spencer Who did the Kindred Yes

So yeah, what I'm looking at when it comes to this is it was JMS and Mike Diadado, which I got I told you it was Diadado with, you know, Loriman looking like Tommy Lee Jones. Yeah. But JMS apparently also, it was so poorly received that JMS later himself tried to rec on that event as well. Yeah, they tried to bring them back and fix it. You know, so JMS, to go on a small little, little tirade. JMS did

Babylon 5 Like that was his creation The sci-fi television series I remember when he got put on Superman In the early 2010s And like there was all this talk about how good it was going to be The JMS understood the character You know what his big great idea for Superman was

Superman has sex with Quincy No no Superman's gonna walk across the country Because he needs to reconnect with the every man so it was just Superman literally walking across the country, like not flying, not doing anything. And every issue was like,

all right, well, this is a weird thing that happened in this small city in Oklahoma that Superman just happened to know about because he was walking through it. Couldn't like all of the villains, like realize Superman's doing that shit and be like, hey, right now it's the fucking perfect time to do a crime.

You know what's what makes that even easier, Dylan? It was a press conference he announced that he was doing it. Yeah, right. they all they had to do was see that thing great in like two weeks time whenever he's in fucking Alabama or whatever we're going to rob a bank you know

he'll never know and JMS didn't even finish that storyline he left and left it to Chris Roberson I believe to finish the storyline out so like he he Michael Brian Michael Bendis did like I'm going to introduce this thing and now it's your job to clean it up

goodbye I might be imagine we left that storyline it's not a storyline you know what you mean? Like imagine somebody going, hey, you get the new Superman job. All you got to do is finish and make sense

out of the fact that Superman is just walking across America for no reason. He's about halfway there. You know? How do I fix it? Oh, I know. Don't make him do this.

Right? Done. It's just, he gets part way through Cheyenne, Y, I mean, he's like, you know what? Fuck this.

Yeah. He's like, I'm Superman. What am we doing? What are you doing here? I get to walk. I get, fucking fly, you know.

Stupid. So anyway. Yeah. So Dillon, we got two more teams of Spider-Man teams to go. You've got an all-Spiter Man villain lineup, and you also have an all-women lineup, which one do you feel like doing first? Which one do you want to hear? Let's hear the women first.

Okay, cool. So this one came a bite because I started to think about how I, whenever I think back to when I started reading comics in the 90s, it felt like they kept introducing like female versions of male supervillains. And I'm like, well, I could just make it a sinister six end of those guys, right? And much like the water-based one, I very quickly came on stock, which we'll probably figure out as we travel down this merry path. But once again, we're going to go with Dr. Octopus.

because there was a female Dr. Octopus in the 90s, because they killed Dr. Octopus. Yeah. In the 90s, Keen snapped his neck. And then they were like, well, we still like the idea of Dr. Octopus. So let's just bring it back as a woman with no connection to Otto Octavius whatsoever. I thought wasn't she like a lab assistant or something or? I don't know.

She was the daughter of Seward Trader, who was a scientist that was helping Ben Riley. And so that's how they tied it into the clone saga at the time. So I'm like, okay, cool. That's good, you know, a good Sinister 6 has a Dr. Octopus on the team. So let's run with that. We got a female Dr. Octopus. Who else is a female supervillain? I went with, I think her name is Scorpina,

female scorpion. She's just a female scorpion. Like, bam, that's another one done. Sweet. Also, the beetle is not a female, I believe. Tombstone's daughter. Yes, that was superior foes of Spider-Man, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah.

So, you know, that's another female. That's pretty much where I got unstuck. There's a female Electro as well though Well I got on stuck there And I asked my brother for help And he very kindly said Electro So I'm like great

Female Electro on the team And So then I was like Um Lady Stiltman I also find out that there's a lady Bullseye Yeah

Oh yeah she was a bigger character too either of those could work. And then to round off, the sentence of six females, I went with Hyderman, but he's a hydro woman. Because if he's made out of water, couldn't he just make himself look like a woman?

Well, so, so, Dylan, it is called gender fluid. Right. Emphasis on the fluid. Yeah. Yeah, there we go. That's the joke.

That's the joke of the episode. Shut it down. Yeah, yeah. But we don't even need to hear my last team. Fuck them. Nope. We're done.

So what's funny with that is, John, I had like some kind of connection to almost all of your picks except for the Crimson Kyle who was Justine Hammer, which is like a female version of Justin Hammer. So I'm like, well, that kind of ties in.

So really. Yeah. We were on pretty much the same page all the way we were on. So that was my female Sinister 6, which was a good idea in theory. didn't really play off too well. Any questions about that one before I tell you my actual Sinister 6?

No, that sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, you pretty much, you know, nailed it. Okay, glad we're happy enough for that one. So my actual Sinister 6 with like Spider-Man villains, and this again is going to tie it all around to everybody's picks. my leader of my sinister six was the hobgoblin so the hobgoblin has appeared on

all oh, Roger Kingsley. Okay. The original, the man, the myth of legend. So hobgoblin has been on all of our teams. We all picked Hobgoblin, which is, I didn't think we were, I honestly thought we would all pick Dr. Octopus. Yeah, yeah. which is a very interesting turn of events.

But I went with Hobgoblin because I always liked the Hobgoblin. I felt that sometimes they overplay the Green Goblin in comics. There's a lot of convoluted Green Goblin storylines, whereas I always find most of the time, like, hobgoblin storylines are pretty, like, pretty good. You know, rarely misses. Although it also gets convoluted because it's, comics and it's a goblin so they have to make it fucking complicated but i went with hobgoblin's my leader i wanted somebody kind of like a trickster like i talked about with mystique so i went with

chameleon because i like the chameleon i think he's he's a he's a fun character again it's it's either him or mysterio basically but i went with camellian just because he wasn't on he's one of the guys that like you wouldn't blink if you saw him in the Sinister 6, but he wasn't in the original one. So I'm like, all right, we can work with that. And going along with that, I also picked, as my power, always I picked Rhino because, again, there's a guy, if you saw him in the Sinister 6, you like, that makes sense,

but he wasn't in the original. So I'm like, he feels that he fits, you know, so I liked him. I went with the shocker because I just really like the shocker. And again, I think part of that is, like, like the TV show, the 90s animated show. Shocker seemed to be there all the time. But I just like him.

So I thought he's a fun character who maybe doesn't get enough love. I think he ended up looking like a real dork in the superior foes of Spider-Man. And I think he's, you know, he's a cool character. So I picked him. And then I went with the spot, who again is a character that, maybe everybody thinks he's a bit

of a dork or whatever but I feel like he's kind of on the upswing again in terms of

like being a big deal he was in the new Spider-Man into the Spider-verse film yeah yeah he was really good

in that and he's like if you use his pars property he could be like a teleporter or the transport kind of guy

that would work with the team so again you're covering all the bases you know Do you guys want to guess who my last pick is? Is he H2O based?

Yes, he is. Is he the eel? No. I guess this is going to be Iceman on a summer day. Does he melt, though? Maybe. Does he? The Mauta?

We didn't cover. that. The melter. If the melter teams up with Iceman, you get this melty ice man and that's your new, that's your last member. Slushy? The puddle. Yeah.

The puddle. Mr. Gleapy. We'll come up with the official name later. Guy, if you're listening to this, write what name you think he should have in the comments. You know what? This will surprise you guys, but I actually went with

Hyderman as my last pick. Just because, you know, he needs some more love, really. So I went with him. And that was it. What do you think of that team? I like the fight.

Three of the six members were from the animated insidious six. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, do you know, do you know, Do you remember the full anime the team? Yeah, it was Doc Ock,

comedian, rhino, shocker, Scorpion, and Mysterio originally. And then Mysterio got switched out in the last season where, because he'd basically not turned good, but he'd sort of redeemed himself a little bit and then got blown up in one of the episodes before. And then the vulture took his place. makes sense

so bad way to go though getting blown up well he got blown up with the sort of love of his life so it was okay oh fair enough then you got blown up by the lover's life

with the lover of his life oh yeah no that's great you know if you've got to blow up at least you know take somebody down with you I guess yeah yeah if you're going to die take an innocent bystander out with you It's the old Romeo and Juliet

like let's all go out in the big bang Yeah, fuck them right There we go So that's the We so we had what Six different Sinister 6 teams Yes Basically it's funny how that worked out

Yeah it is interesting how that worked out Considering only two of us made one Hell of a way man You know you gotta put the work in Yeah you sure did If anybody is listening If anybody's listening to this Which they probably aren't

or you know, might be if you're in Germany, I guess. You know, come up with your own Sinister 6 characters. Stick them in the comments or let us know which one you think is the best. Pretty obviously it's the water one. Yep.

You can all agree. We can all vote that the water Sinister 6 is the last one. You know, it's not, it may not be his main weakness, but nobody likes having wet socks. No. It's happened to do it.

It's like, once you're doing the dishes, you're wearing socks, you know, A bit of water gets on the floor You step on it. Ugh, ruined your day. Yeah. You know,

that's something they don't expand upon in the comics and not. Well, and you know that, you know, Spider-Man's suit, it's so stretchy because it is just, in fact, one very large sock. Yeah. This is in canon. Mm-hmm. You know, we're not making this out. This is true.

Yeah, absolutely. You can trust us. Absolutely. Yeah, of course. and we're trustworthy people in the internet. Yeah. So I am looking at

the list of all these people who have been part of the Sinister Six in the past. We're not going to read all of their names. But, you know, there's some people who turn up on them because, you know, we were looking at Spider-Man villains. I will tell you, there are some names on here for characters I have never heard of, and I'm curious if you guys know who they are.

We probably do. Who's Gog? Gog. G-G. Gog. He was a monster who I believe was he became Boomerang's pet for some reason.

Was he not, was that the one that Craven the Hunter found in the Savage Land? Possibly. Yeah, it looks like he is. Craven takes him in his sights to raise him as a pet. Yeah. Your knowledge is amazing guys.

Why he would be in the Sinister Six? I don't fucking know, but, you know. Well, Craven was. And he just, you know, he brought his dog to work. I had a coworker once who told everybody in the office that he trained service dogs. And so for a few months, he'd bring this golden retriever into the office. And like, I was a bit suspicious about the whole training service dogs thing because like, this dog would just wander around the office and like go through people's trash cans.

And then one day, the dog wasn't around anymore. And somebody asked him what happened. And he was like, oh, somebody complained about, you know, having a service dog here. But, you know, I don't know why. I mean, we're just training him so they can help people. people. I'm like, I don't think you were training a service dog. I think you just liked having your dog around. So maybe that's what happened. It was the service dog of the Sinister Six. You wouldn't want Gog to be in your service dog, though.

Yeah, well, what they don't tell you about Craven the Hunter is he does, like, suffer from a, like, low level of anxiety where being in public and having to interact with people makes him uncomfortable. Yeah, he doesn't like that. He'd rather just kill people, animal, stuff. All right. Who's the trapster? Oh, you know, I was going to put the trapster on one of my lists. I love the trapster. That's his costume looks fun. Pacepot Pete.

Yeah. That's Pacepot Pete. Oh, man. Yeah. He did the wrong thing changing his name. That was, that was why he changed his name is because Spider-Man can't make a fun of P-SPOT Pete. Spider-Man is such a dick. Disney.

Pete was such a better name. I knew what I was getting into. That's a guy who deals with glue. Pacepot Pete. Yeah, but now he traps you in the glue. Okay, sure. See? The living brain?

That's like a big robot thing. Now, here's the thing about it, though. If your brain's not alive, you are not alive. So I think that's a bit of an oxymoron to be the living brain. You can't really say the living brain as a robot because you're like, it's a robot. It doesn't live. But I believe a doctor octopus, whenever he went into. Peter Parker's body

from a spider-man for a while. Then when he left, he brought the living brain on as his assistant. And then whenever Peter Parker's consciousness came back, Dr. Octopus just snuck into the living brion for a while. Yeah, yeah. That's correct. All right.

By beast. By beast is just a weird thing with like two faces. Probably. I think it's just like a monster thing, but if there's two faces, Yeah, yeah, it looks like he has a face stacked on top of a face. Yeah, yeah. The human fly.

It's just a guy that is... Oh, I mean... Backs to Stockman. Whatever guy... What do you call the guy that did the experiment on Scorpion to turn him into Scorpion? What was his name? Whatever that guy's name was Farley Stillwell

Yeah Whoever the human fly was was like Hey scorpion turned out to be a rising success I would like I would like you to experiment on me And he turned him into the human fly Which wasn't a great success All things considered

So as I'm going through this list I'm finding out So when I think of the Sinister 6 I think obviously like the later incarnations Where it's like one main dude a bunch of jokers. So, like, I'm on the Sinister 6 number 11, and that's where I'm pulling some of these names from,

because I just saw a clown. It's just clown. Clown? Clown. Okay, I don't know Klein. Elliot Franklin was born in Orlando, the son of a man named Corky. And bio.

Kangaroo. Oh, I love the kangaroo. Man Mountain Marco. There were two different. kangaroos. Two people like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick that up. Brian Hibbs and Frank Oliver.

Who? Brian Hibbs was the second kangaroo. Oh, yeah. Frank Oliver was the first kangaroo. Yeah. Classic, all the rine. Man Mountain Marco. He, I remember him from like ages ago.

but I don't remember him doing anything recently. Was he just a big strong guy? I think he's just a big guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's what the covers he says to suggest. He's just a big dude. Yeah. Let's see.

There's the squid. We talked about him earlier. Classic. Gibbon? Yeah, he is just a guy in like a monkey suit. I don't think he's even in a monkey suit. I think he is. He's been turned into a monkey.

Martin. Blank is a man who's seemingly born a mutant with an ape-like build and agility. There's a mutant. Do you think he's on Kirkawa? Maybe. Oh, absolutely. Front and center. Oh, my God, Dylan.

The Given has been shown as retaining his physical mutation following M-Day, but showed no sign of his former mutant abilities. Oh, no. Oh, dear. He was a lead character in. Marvel apes, as one would hope. Oh, apparently he died, though. Oh, no.

As he laid dying, he reflected on his life while also going to be a conclusion that Princess Python never loved him. Spider-Man showed him some comfort by seeing to it that Gibbon did not die alone. And like the Craven Hunt storyline where he basically filled Central Park with all the animal based Spider-Man villains or just Marvel villains I guess and then like set them on

Spider-Man Yeah, that's fucking rude. They're Sinister 6 alumni I mean, they may not have been on the same team But it would be like, you know Hey, this guy was in the same fraternity as me Come on, there's got to be some sort of a Some sort of a camaraderie

Yeah, but it's Craven the Hunter though So like, you know He's a dick Yeah, we already talked about how he's he's got that anxiety and he wants to kill stuff. Yeah. He got got away from him and he was just beside himself and, you know, he self-medicates his anxiety with murder. Understandable.

If my dog ran away, I would absolutely hunt on anybody that dresses like a monkey and shoot them in the middle of the park. Just the natural response, you know? Absolutely. Let's see who else we got here that looks weird. Well, I mean, I know who these guys are, but I just love saying the name Fancy. Dan. The enforcers? The enforcers, yeah.

There are three Craven the Hunters? Good Lord. It's one dude. How can he have three? Wow. It's complex. It is complex. Also, he came back.

So, technically he was Craven the Hunter twice. And then he cloned himself. And then killed himself the second time. And the clone basically took over from him as well. So. Yeah. And then his.

Was it his son or his... I think his two sons adopted the... One of them was in his Grim Hunter. Wasn't his wife also one? His daughter was involved as well. Her name was Cravena. Was it really? No, I'm fucking around.

Is it sad that it sounded like theoretical based on these names we're talking about? Right? Oh, dear. All right. Yeah, the daughter of Craven the Hunter, Anna, Anna Cravenoff. Jesus Christ. All right. Well, here's the thing.

It is the fun of comic books where they are always a little goofy and a little weird. And it's, I think the Sinistery 6 is sort of like a, an embodiment of you get a good idea. And then as time goes on, it just kind of gets watered down to the point where, you know, when I think, like you said, when I think of the Sinister 6, I think of like one main dude and then a bunch of like jokes. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like Hydraman and then the rest. Yeah. You know, like, Hydraman's leading a team and he's got to fill it out with like, you know, the squid.

Yeah. And the kangaroo, both versions of the kangaroo. So that's two members there. I think I'm pretty sure the first one's died. So. Oh, he came back. Did he? Yeah, he came back.

But he's dead. And it's comics. He can't come back from the dead. No, it was, it was a Kirkohan thing. So the kangaroo, the kangaroo was a mutant that he was born thinking he was Australian. Makes sense. Here you go. There you go.

Well, I kind of think that's going to do it for us. I don't know, like, do you have any, like, closing remarks that you want to make about the Sinister Six? I mean, we picked some pretty interesting lineups. I think we did pretty well. Yeah. I have to say there was a surprising lack of crossover minus Hydro-Man, which, I mean, he is the most popular character. And Hobgoblin. Hobgoblin, yeah. We had different versions of the Hobgoblin, or at least I did.

Yeah, but we were still united on the goblin idea. Yes. You need a goblin if you're going to have to spy the man. Or six of them. Okay. See, I just now learned that there was an alternate in Kansas. case something didn't happen, I could have thrown in gray gargoyle. Okay.

Yeah. See, I learned something new today. I mean, I don't know why you'd want to. No. I still see, though, I'm actually very, like, I'm afraid. It's going to come up condescending, but it's more of like, I didn't think anyone would know this information. The fact that I was like, I have never heard of this character before. And both are you like, oh, yeah, no, no, that's this guy.

Like, that's awesome. Like, just the fact you, like, know that stuff is awesome, I think. I love, like, C and D list characters for shit. that we know spider man you know yeah yeah i wish i didn't know the gray gray goblin but yeah i wish i wish i could just forget all about that yeah you you rob me of that innocence i guess i don't know he exists and i sent you guys that panel of uh norman osborne's oaface so you're welcome yeah thank you for that that was a beautiful thing they remind us about that put this up in the video put that picture up right now in the video no that's the thumbnail see it yeah it's just

going to be like the thumbnails just want that picture that panel and there's the view drawing the three of us looking like uncomfortable and or horrified i'm just not going to draw on it it's just going to be that they really close up picked like it zoomed in as far as you can go i just don't know why they did that the story was bad enough but then you got diodato making Tommy lee jones look like that oh boy you know actually real quick i enjoyed my Diodato's work. It was always really, really dark, though. Like, I always, like, felt like the ink would rub off on your fingers if you were reading it.

Yeah. Because there's just a lot of black ink. Yeah. But I'm like you. I think he, the way he, like, drew certain characters and, like, based them of certain people in real life, uh, really worked. And Tommy Lee Jones felt like, yeah, I can see Norman Osborne looking like Tommy Lou Jones.

Yeah. I thought it worked out well. You know, I guess, I remember they was like, at the time, this used to be a big old joke thing, and I'm sure you could still look at it and find it funny. Is Greg Land and the accusations of him tracing because people would find the source pictures

and like how every female character he drew were like, you know, porn stars and such. Yeah. So, so yeah, I remember there was a lot of like, oh, is Mike Diodado tracing like these still images of like Tommy Lee Jones and stuff? But yeah, no. I thought,

what I will say is, it's distressing to me that I now have an idea of what Tommy Lee Jones looks like while he's having sex, thanks to Mike Diadotto. So, you know, if you're listening, thanks for that. He's definitely listening. I think so too. I bet Mike Diadado is like sitting there like with a pen and paper writing down his ideas for a sinister six and he's going to leave a comment about it. Yeah.

He can't pick Hydromon six times, though. No, no, no. Well, I mean, if his consciousness is in every drop. of his water, then you could theoretically have a sinister 60 of Hydro Man. We're going to talk about this on a different episode. We are.

So just a quick reminder, everybody, there is our YouTube page that has this episode that you're currently watching if you're watching there and then a bunch of old stuff. If you're on Spotify, you know, we're obviously there too and there's some older episodes there. This is

maybe, well, I think are going to be our seventh. six, seventh episode. So we've been doing, I think we're one away from breaking what we did last time. I think we only made it to eight last time before we fell off entirely for a year. So we're going strong. This time we'll never going to stop. No, we aren't.

We'll never stop. So, you know, we have some fun stuff in the future. We got other episodes where we're going to make fictional lineups like this one. If you found that funny, we're going to have. have more breaking down individual X-Men. We're going to have a watch along where we're going to watch Generation X, I guess. If we can, if it works, that will be amazing because I cannot wait for you to see this, Dylan. I saw it when it premiered live, never saw it again. And even as a kid where like nostalgia will normally like give you the the rose tinted shades, I was like, oh, I don't know

if this is any good. Oh, it's good. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I think it's going to be a good time. But until then, everyone, I'm Corey, and this has been Dylan and John. Let us know which line about the Sinister 6 you enjoyed the most, and we will see you all later. Goodbye. Goodbye. Bye. Vote hydrogen.