The Smark Avengers - Vol 4, Ep 15: Thunderbolts REVIEW – Does Marvel Still Have It?

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

🔥 Thunderbolts REVIEW – Does Marvel Still Have It? | Smark Avengers Ep. 15Marvel’s Thunderbolts is finally here — but is it a thrilling return to form or proof the MCU has lost its spark? In this episode of the Smark Avengers, Corey, Dylan, and Jon dive into a full spoiler-filled review of Thunderbolts, dissecting what worked, what failed, and what this means for the future of Marvel's Phase 5. ⚡️ From Bucky Barnes and Yelena Belova to Taskmaster and Red Guardian, we break down the entire Thunderbolts lineup and how the movie handles its morally gray misfits. 🧠 Expect hot takes, deep dives, comic book comparisons, and signature Smark-level sarcasm. 👇 Join the conversation below: What did YOU think of Thunderbolts? Are Marvel’s best days behind them—or just getting started? 👍 Don’t forget to Like, Subscribe, and Hit the Bell so you never miss our weekly takes on comics, movies, and wrestling crossovers! Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk #ThunderboltsReview #MCUReview #MarvelThunderbolts #SmarkAvengers #MarvelPodcast #BuckyBarnes #YelenaBelova #Taskmaster #MarvelPhase5 #MovieReview #ComicBookMovies #MCUFatigue #ThunderboltsSpoilers #MarvelDiscussion #SuperheroMovies #YouTubeGeekCulture

We're going to be... Baby Dr. Thunderbolt. Baby Dr. Thunderbolt. He's a genius because he has his medical degree as an infant. It's impressive. Yes.

He's a big long coat. Drags behind him. Drags behind him when he walks. Yeah. Falls over a lot because he's still learning how to walk. He's a little baby. It's understandable. Is this the intro?

I feel like this is the show. This is just the show now. Yeah. Oh, well, we're in it. We're in it. Hi, everybody, welcome to Smart Avengers. My name is Corey, and with me is Dylan and John. Guys, how's it going?

Good. Yeah. Well, today, we are going to be touching on a very particular topic, as we once more push the Charles Xavier episode off another couple of weeks. People don't want to... People don't want to hear us talk about a beautiful bald telepathic man who sometimes legs don't like to work that good.

But what they are wanting us to talk about is what many people are calling the best Marvel movie that has been out since the Avengers in-game, and that is Thunderbolts. Dylan, John, I know you both have seen Thunderbolts. I have not seen Thunderbolts, but I also know a lot of people who know that I don't care about spoilers and have told me about the movie.

So, that being said, you guys want to talk about Thunderbolts. For the record, me and John were not the people that told Corey all the spoilers. That is true. They did not. I informed them that I had already been spoiled on the movie by some other people. We were courteous enough to not. Like, we didn't come out of the cinema. I'd be like, oh, dude, Corey's got to hear with this.

This is me taxing, by the way. Yeah. Right. That's my text. My phones are, I could have easily talked. Like, this is you tickling a little fairy. Baby juggernaut. Just tickling baby juggernaut.

And then he breaks your hands because he's baby juggernaut. He loves being tickled. He does. He has a very deep laugh. He has a very deep laugh. It's in the comics. It's all in there, you know. Yeah, ignore that.

Ignore those kid juggernaut comics that are coming out. That's not the real deal. Not counting. it's not real yes we've seen the Thunderbolts I liked it I really liked it

John did you like it yes I did like it there you go so it is kind of well I was going to say I feel like it is kind of fortuitous for us to talk about it because we first came back

for volume three of the show, the topic we did was the Marvel Cinematic Universe and if it was possible for them to reach the heights they once did before in-game. Because at that point, outside of

Spider-Man, they were in a decline. The movies, people weren't really seeing. The Disney Plus shows would happen, but I didn't see a lot of online buzz about any of them for the most part. like Wanda Vision got a lot of people talking and

I heard some people talk about Moon Night just because Oscar Isaac but for the most part what I heard about Secret Invasion Yeah The most part I saw like Not many people talked about Hawkeye for the most part I forgot Echo was even a show

And I saw a lot of people being really disappointed with Secret Invasion. I didn't see a lot of people talk with Secret Invasion at all Yeah Nope It was Yeah, one of the shows that did talk about that came up in this movie was the Falcon and Winter Soldier show, which, you know, when they first announced that they were doing a Thunderbolts movie, I was surprised to see the lineup that they went with. because these are all characters that were from other movies

and other like Disney Plus shows that didn't take off like I remember I was talking to John I didn't even realize this was coming out in theater I thought this was going to be a Disney Plus thing because of how like bizarre it would be to do a Thunderbolt's movie Wow you little fit Yeah apparently Because you look at it and you're just like the biggest I mean the biggest named character in this is Winter Soldier

Country Soldier Yeah Yeah Because You know Yelina Do they call her White Widow

Or do they even give her a code name? They don't No They just call her Yeah Yeah So Yelina

She was in the Black Widow movie That came out During the COVID pandemic That was released On Disney Plus So not many people Actually saw it

From what I've seen I didn't see it Which is a shame Because like Three characters from this movie came from that one. And she also had a part in the Hawkeye show due to her past ties with the Black Widow character.

So John and I have talked a couple of times about Thunderbolts in the past in the lead up to this movie. And we kept talking about how Disney lucked into having Florence Pugh. Because you know when they signed her to that multi-year contract, they were not expecting her to be as big a deal as she turned out to be. which she'd already done midsummer at that point she done loads of stuff

yeah I mean she's exactly yeah yeah very good he's very good yes so how do you guys she was page page here

that being said how do you guys want to tackle this do you want to talk about it from a plot perspective do you want to talk about the actors do you want to talk about the characters how do you want to talk about the characters how do you want to want to approach this.

We'll probably just bumble all right through it like we always do. As we should. That sounds like a good plan. I don't want to make it too structured, right? We'll just let the conversation fall where my things will happen and then it'll all come together at some point. Then the credits will roll and then there'll be a little post-credit bit

where we make a joke about baby jugger-kn up. And then there'll be another post-credit bit where we actually talk about what happens next week. A portal will open suddenly. you know, there's a different version of Dylan there. He's played by Michael Sarah. I don't know why. I felt right. I don't know why it felt right, but it did. I don't think Dan is happy.

I'm not happy with that. No. Well, I mean, I only know that Jeff Bridges could play. You know who I think I kind of look like? What do you think you kind of look like? I think you kind of look like Falano. I see it. If you put glasses on him.

I see it. Yeah. If you put glasses and fall down. Yeah. Yeah, I see it. Yeah. Yeah. Can you sing Ave Maria for us? Can't sing. Okay.

Well, wait, did you ever see the Batman, or that would have gone completely over your head? No, I haven't. But I saw Love and Mercy. Okay. He sings in that. That's good. It is good, isn't it? Oh, very good, man.

So, yeah, I guess we'll take it from talking about the team composition, because that's where I pointed out. Marvel had, I've always been in the opinion that Marvel got really cocky after Guardians of the Galaxy. Because Guardians of the Galaxy was a mix of characters that nobody really had heard of, and main comic book readers didn't really read. Because the Guardians of the Galaxy comics or the cosmic side of Marvel, the series never lasted long. Sales were never that great, so they had a couple of big

storylines before then, the Annihilation War, the King's Conquest, big stuff that was written by the team of Dan Abnett and Andy Lannning, and then when they announced Guardians of the Galaxy, I was like, okay, that has potential

to be pretty interesting. And then the movie came out, and I was like, wow, that is nothing like the Guardians of the Galaxy comics or Cosmic Marvel at all, and that's fine because it was really good.

So I think that Marvel got really cocky because they're like, hey, we made this movie with a bunch of unknown characters a hit. Let's try Turtles. And that didn't go over very well. No. I agree because I

didn't give a shit about the Guardians of Galaxy in the comics. And I don't like a lot of space stuff. I don't... Not a sci-fi guy? not a sci-fi guy well not just sci-fi stuff

I don't care I don't like Star Wars or Star Trek or any of that stuff I just never got into it I don't like the comics where they go to space I'm like that's well I don't know

I just don't like it but I remember because the Guardians of Galaxy came out whenever Marvel films were really hot we were going to see all the Marvel films and I thought I'll go see this one just because I've seen all the other ones

let's give it a go but I don't think it's going to be any good. And then it turned into like my favorite one because it was just fucking amazing. It was such a good film. So much fun. And part of that it was probably because they took a bunch of people that nobody really knew, right? At that time, everybody knew who Captain America was and Iron Man and Thor and you could figure out the rest. You could figure out where Black Widow fits in that, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But nobody really knew what the Guardians of Galaxy were about. So they could blank slate, right?

They could literally just do whatever they wanted. Like, here it is. This is. Whatever we say this is, is what it is. And you don't come in with like preconceived notions or whatever. You're like, okay, cool. Talking raccoon, a tree. And, you know, a guy that's not the Hulk, but he's big and green.

It's different, you know. And a green girl, which is different. And whatever star lord is. You know, fun. There was a lot of fun there. And it was funny. It was really well. certain. So yeah, I think that that changed people's opinions on the blank state characters.

And yeah, I think there probably was a little bit of cockiness in Marvel's part where they're like, they didn't learn the right lesson. Yeah. You know, realizing this is a blank steak team, they were like, oh, people love the dumb characters, will do the Eternals. I'm like, not, it's not. To steer this back towards Thunderbolts, Thunderbolts had that same kind of build. up in the background that the Avengers did, where all of these characters were introduced separately outside of the book, of this large movie, and then were brought together.

So if you want to take a look at them individually, or do you want to take a look at them in bunches, it's up to you. Do you want to look at them as little clusters from characters that were introduced together, or do you want to look at them piecemeal? one thing I'd like to add on to that before we get into that is but you said it's quite like the Avengers in that they were introduced separately by the way I haven't seen any of the stuff

that introduced any of these guys except for Bucky yeah so this was all new to me I was gonna ask about that because as some maybe this is what you're gonna put you know turn this into but as somebody who didn't have any familiarity with these characters

did they do a good job of introducing them so that you didn't have to like I'm glad I didn't I didn't have to watch winter soldier and falcon to understand this guy and his motives like did they do a good job of that or did you feel like something was missing as you were watching it I think you got everybody's motivations pretty quick because I didn't know any of these guys existed already okay and I thought given the way that they were put into the film with the brief exception of Taskmaster who just kind of appeared yeah but the rest of them like I was I was happy to enough with the way that the story went, you know, this was a good introduction to these guys. What I was going to say was,

to your point, it's like the Avengers where these guys were introduced and they came together. But it's also like Guardians of the Galaxy where like you have these five guys that don't work well together at all. Which is not what the Avengers was. It was these guys worked together. Whereas Guardians and Thunderbolts

where these guys do not work together at all, but they come together for a common goal and realize that somehow or another, they're a really good team. And maybe that's just my kind of fiction, you know? That's fair. But I like that. Yeah. Yeah.

So, John, what are your thoughts? Do you want to... Well, A, is there anything you want to add to what we were touching on earlier? And B, would you rather look at the characters individually first or look at them as like a cluster? Well, I mean, I had seen all of the like movies and TV.

shows and stuff that had introduced characters. So I've not really considered the movie from the point of view of someone who hasn't watched all that stuff. And this was their introduction to those characters. So, yeah, I mean, I think it worked pretty well in introducing them and making it so you don't have to have seen everything. but, you know, it's hard to say from having, you know, had that experience watching them previously and knowing... Honestly, this is what I really liked. This is honestly why I like about the two of you having seen it already because you come... You're coming out from different perspectives.

John, you have all the background information because you have seen everything, but Dylan hasn't. So I'm really... That's why I'm really kind of excited to see you guys talk about it. I say as I interrupt you as you're trying to talk about it. I just wanted to know what... Where was Ghost? Edjujis. That would be Ant Man and the Was.

That's one I didn't see. Yep. So that's why you were not familiar with Ghost. Correct. But I'm familiar with the character from the comics. A bit of a different take. The character from the comic is very, very different from the one in the MTV. You mean she's not paranoid and doesn't bathe?

I mean, I can't. say whether he bathed or not. I feel like people would remark on it. This woman just walked through the walls and she smells like onions. They got other stuff to worry about. True. So,

I, there's a part in the film very early on where you see one, two, three, four, five of them together in the room. But I think it's five very briefly. yeah yeah oh by the way

because by the way if you're watching or listening to this this is a month after the movie premiered for us it's only been a week but for you

it's going to be like a month so there will be of course spoiler talks so if any of this spoils the film for you why did you watch

our fucking review of the thunderballs before you went to see in the cinema you're asking for trouble kid yeah really are also

also if they've avoided spoilers this are in as well like kudos to you like how the hell have you done that they don't have a smartphone they have a jibbugs without it yeah

what are you doing then I love the idea of somebody avoiding spoilers and then going to click on this Mark Avengers who have two views on their on their full clip hey we've had some pre-decent views lately uh oh now we're up to four

well we're actually in our 20s look at us roll in our old audience. We're old enough to drink in my country. In certain states. I mean, we've been old enough to drink for ages.

Yeah, I know. 21 is here for everywhere. So, I was really excited to see Taskmaster in the film. So I was like, I love the character of Tasmaster.

Didn't know where it fit in in the Marvel universe already. That was one character I knew existed because I had heard people weren't like super hot on what Marvel had done with the Taskmaster. Yeah.

So when I saw, the taskmaster in this, I was like, oh, cool, they're going to try to reboot the character and, like, give it a new redemption or try to really build it up again. And then she got shot in the head. We're like, like you do.

So one thing that my friend followed to me in that we see the taskmaster, the taskmaster takes up her helmet at some point, puts the helmet back on, and then when you get shot in the head, that the mask is on so we don't see

we don't actually see I know obviously it would be pretty graphic to see somebody's fucking head with a bullet in it you don't actually see that they're dead if you know what you mean I mean if you think about

the audience didn't write it so yeah well that is true yeah that's true I was about to say then maybe Tasmoser survived maybe not I was about to say like

Like, if, what was the helmet for then? If just getting shot in the head. Right. Yeah, apparently. It's important that people didn't know this random Russian woman who had been brainwashed her entire life. So that's actually a good segue. That's actually a pretty good segue. John, you have seen the Black Widow movie.

What was it about the Taskmaster character that you felt that for some reason they just decided that they didn't want to do too much with in this movie why I don't know it was always sort of a weird interpretation of the character because in Black Widow they they sort of played it as if it was a male character for like the bulk of the movie and then they sort of pulled the reveal that it's actually a woman like quite near the end and it felt like they didn't really capitalized on having

like a really famous actress in Olga Gerolenko as like a woman behind the mask and didn't really give her much to do so you figured well maybe they'd give her a shot in Thunderbolts instead then and like

she, like Dennis says she has one moment where the mask comes off and she says one line and then the mask comes back on and she's dead a minute later. Like, wow. What was the line?

Yeah, it was a bit of a disappointment. For me, it was a bit of, because I love the taskmaster. What was the line? I think she told Elena that she wasn't here for her, she was here for someone else, and that was it.

Yeah, that's probably... I'm happy to be in this movie. Not for very long, huh? No. Well, yeah. So, so Yelina was not, or sorry, so Olga, who I believe was the taskmaster's name,

she was not the only character to join this movie from the Black Widow movie. Let's talk about Red Guardian. John, tell us about Red Guardian. I mean, it's basically just David Harbour doing big, loud commentary on everything around him and being excited about everything.

Yeah. It works. I mean, it's a pretty funny take on the character. Yeah, 100%. Oh, a lot of fun. A lot of fun. But then he's got the sort of emotional connection to Yerlena as well, because he was, in the Black Widow movie, he was, like,

like, wow, how do you describe it? Like a surrogate? Surrogate father, like, yeah. when they were spies for the Russians like, you know,

growing up in America and whatnot, the cover was they were a family and I guess some of that sort of bled into real life as well so he's the closest thing that she has to her father. But then they've grown distant by the time this movie starts

and they kind of have some things to resolve along the way as well. So even though he is there for comic relief, he does kind of serve a larger purpose as well. Yeah. So, he is... So Red Guardian is the first of the Captain America-esque characters, considering he was Russia's answer to the super soldier. Let's go into our third character from the Black Widow movie, which is the main character. really of the movie, from what I understand,

which is Yelina Bilova. Is it Bolova's the last name? You see names written down, and you go, like, that's probably how you pronounce that, right? Sounds right to me, fair enough. I'm trying to die and play the fact that he's a Russian spy, and he was exactly how to pronounce it. Yeah.

Yeah, he doesn't want any glorious bastard. It's a situation. He unfortunately unveils his secrets. So, yes, so she is played by Florence Pugh. She is front and center of the advertisements and the marketing for it. It's very clear that she is, of course, the main character. But how do you guys feel she did in the movie? What was her part in it?

Again, as somebody who has not seen it, let me know what you think. I mean, she was pretty much the main character. She was great. She was really, really good. She's good in everything, man. She did a really good job. of having that kind of like emotional side to her where she's like she's got that black widow trait where she's supposed to be all like emotionless and a killer and you know but she also has her own stuff going on and it all comes across like really really well I think she's the heart and soul of the film yeah yeah definitely so she had not only uh she's a lot more damage than this

a lot more damaged what are you saying oh you go ahead she was a lot more damage than this yeah than in a black widow when we were introduced to her

because she's obviously like lost her sister and the events of infinity war and end game and she kind of

went after Hawkeye to try and get revenge for that and uh you know after that he sort of went off the rails and got recruited by um uh you know what's the name valentina um and yeah she just basically became like a sort of assassin for hire uh and as you'd hope

if you found yourself in that situation it it kind of doesn't like fill her with any joy and just makes it more miserably miserable so she yeah she's sort of she's got her own void to deal with which is like a big part of

like the story I guess compared to the century and his void as well though it's a bit more literal than hers but there's like a parallel you know

yeah two characters so we will move on from the characters that appeared in the Black Widow movie and we will go to the character who I kind of feel is the odd one out in this and that would be Ghost

who made her debut as the main villain of the second Ant Man movie Ant Man and the Wasp so thoughts on ghost I like the character I didn't think she was as

central as the other characters no you know what you mean I feel like yeah she wasn't like there wasn't no no no

but it wasn't like she brought like an essential part of the plot forward or anything like that she was

just sort of there I feel like the other members of the team had more focus put on them yeah yeah

which you could say is maybe a slight of the film when you think of it, but at the same time, she filled her role pretty perfectly. You know, she did what she was supposed to do. Okay. And then, I believe, the final member rounding out the team from the Winter Soldier, or the Falcon and Winter Soldier Show, the failed Captain America, U.S. agent, John Walker.

That guy was awesome. I didn't know he was already in the thing. I had no idea, but this was the first time we'd seen him. And I'm like, I love this guy. what a fucking asshole yeah what a prick just like he played to him perfectly

you what he mean yeah oh well everybody wanted to punch you in the mouth so he was a lot more funny in this compared to the Falcon and the winter soldier as well

like that was a lot more serious and I guess grounded whereas this he got to cut loose a bit more more rational and it was definitely more enjoyable because of that. Yeah, John and I have talked about how we're fans of White Russell,

so I was happy to hear that he was very well received in this. So anyway, the U.S. agent character is one of my favorites, and I heard that the character was much more like the comic book version in this, and I was excited to hear that. I just enjoy a character who's an unrepentant, just

you know, he's not about trying to get you to like him. He's here to do one thing. Yeah. And that was nice. Yes. Yes. I enjoyed that character a lot. I heard a lot, like I said, I heard a lot of people coming out of that really liking the character,

which is to the point that a lot of people are debating whether or not his actions in the Falcon and Winter Soldier were really all that bad. John, would you like to tell Dylan what John Walker did in Captain America and Winters, the Falcon and Winter Soldier show that was really bad? well he used his shield to decapitate a guy he thought was a terrorist but i think turned out wasn't a terrorist and it ended up being like shown or like captured on video and then thrown all over the place so yeah it was quite a public uh you know ordeal for captain america to be involved in people are really signs like he's representing america pretty well Yeah, people are justifying his actions online after watching Thunderbolts and really liking it. They're like, you know what?

I could see why he did that, and it's not his fault. Dingo, that I mean. Markets can justify a terrible attitude. Oh, it's all right. Don't worry. There's a reason why it's an asshole because they empathize with him. Yeah. They're also divorced.

So, sorry. Yeah, of course we're going to go to, let's talk about the woman who is responsible for bringing all these characters together in the roundabout way that she does. And that is, her name is Valentina. I can't remember her last name, but she's played by Julia Louis Dreyfus. All I remember is this, Julia Dreyfus, and she was a treasure. She always is. Yes. But she was a treat. She was great.

She was so good. She's in full-on veep mode. Yeah. Except with 100% less swearing. Well, yes, correct. That's really funny to say that. The movie that features like big explosions and death and stuff is the one where she's not going to swear. Yeah.

But to be fair, though, I say that, but there was a lot of swearing in this, I thought, compared to most Marvel movies. Not from her. Like, a lot of, like, well. Was there? I just sworeen she said shit a few times, but everyone did. You could see why. Yeah. Given the circumstances being what they were.

I would have said shit if some of that stuff happened to me. Yeah. Maybe something a bit stronger. So basically, from what I gathered, she plays... She's seemingly a less competent version of Amanda Waller from D.C. where like Amanda Waller is very calm and directed and very stern and is always in control and she is kind of like

constantly reactionary and spinning things to be like actually no this is what we wanted to do yeah because in the film she tries to kill four of them because they know what she's up to so she's like the best way to avoid prison for me is to kill these people that know what I'm up to

and have them kill each other and get them trapped in the base and they'll just die. And I wouldn't have to worry about it. So at first, she's not at all trying to bring together a team. He's trying to kill all of them. Yes. The exact opposite of bringing together a team.

She realized it. Exactly. Then she realizes that in trying to kill all of them, there is another person trapped in the room with them, which nobody had accounted for. Just some random guy called Bob. and they're like, who's this guy? Why is he there?

Nobody knows why that guy was there. And then they learned why that guy was there is because he was the only survivor of the sentry experiments to try and create their own version of a super soldier, like the most perfect person there is. They were like, well, all the sentry experiments died. So you could see the little cogs going in her head

where she's like, well, if all of the century experiments died and he's down there, that means he survived, just means he's a century. Which was fun to watch. You know? You can see the whole thing kind of unraveling as you go through it, which is good.

You know, sometimes films they let the audience in on the joke, and then you watch the other people in the film figure it on. But for a lot of this, you kind of like, you're picking it up at the same time

some of the people in the film pick it up to, which I liked. You know, you didn't immediately, as soon as you saw Bob, you didn't immediately go, that's a century. You know what you mean? Like, you, it takes a little bit of of exposition before you get there.

So, to give some background into Century, Century is the only character that did not appear in any other films that I'm aware of in this. This was his debut. The Century is a newer character by Marvel standards, and that

came about in the 2000s. He is, again, in Marvel, sort of pastiche of Superman for all intents' purposes. And I remember when they were filming it, and one of the photos that leaked was a

picture of the Century logo on a belt. And I went, oh, that will be very interesting to see Marvel try to do the century. Because when they introduced Century, they did that weird thing that Marvel likes to do where it's like, actually, the Century has always been around. People just forgot he was there. So before we kind of get into, is it Lewis Pullman, who played him, Bill Pullman's kid? Yes. A lot of famous actors kids in this film.

Right? Yeah, yeah. So, before we get into Lewis Pullman as the Century, I feel like most people, when they think of Century, they think of the villain, like, the villainous aspect of him as basically the guy who, from Siege, who ripped Aries in half. That's how I always think of Century. But...

Good. He could think of an ARI. Complicated character's Century. Bob Reynolds, someone plagued with a lot of power and a lot of mental illness, and was the perfect person for Norris. Norman Osborne to manipulate as part of Dark Avengers. Our namesake.

So what are your thoughts on the Century Character before we dive into the portrayal of the character? The actual comic? Yeah, from what you've read, what have you thought about the Century Character? I wasn't super into it at first because I don't really like that Superman kind of character,

you know, just like this big, like, I'm invincible and you can't kill me. And I didn't like the... he was here the entire time kind of thing because like this that sucks it was fun the way they did it I didn't like it just not a fan

I don't like that gimmick at all honestly I do like the idea of this Superman character having a very clear weakness which is himself and so he can be incredibly good and also incredibly evil

and you don't know what you're going to get how you get it like that adds a lot of fun stuff to that character I thought but I was never really like a huge Sentry fan really John where are your thoughts

because there is a lot of stuff you can do where you can like oh he can just win there you go how do you win this oh Sentry I mean very famously his debut was taking carnage into space and ripping him in half why do you think

I'm not a baby so so John where were your thoughts on Century I mean my experience with him is pretty much limited just the Avengers and like Dark Avengers

So I I mean I kind of enjoyed him From The role he played in that And like you say Getting manipulated by Norman Osborne Having that darker side to him as well

And like the void Like always there but was the, you know, the devil behind the door, like, waiting to be let in and stuff. I mean, that kind of was an interesting dynamic. But he's the character who

since Dark Avengers really hasn't done a whole lot of anything. So, I mean, you know, maybe he's not that memorable. He died. Is he still dead? Because I think...

No, he... Yeah, Bob is a... around. There was a mini series. He died for like a long time, right? Yeah, there was a mini series where Bob was existing and then

found out that he could visit this parallel world of the century. And then he merged the century with the void to be this sort of perfected version. And then I think he turned up again in another series. So I'm not really sure

what they're doing with Century right now, per se, but they've definitely used him since siege. Yeah. I was really surprised to see they were going to do a movie version of the century, to be honest with you, just because of... Yeah. It's an interesting idea, the idea of, like... Because I remember, like, the elevator pitch of the century is, it's Superman, but for every good thing he does, there is an evil version of himself that will do something horrific in response.

Like, constantly in balance. Right. Well, did you guys think this? whenever they announced the century he was going to be in the film, to be all three of us kind of go, he's going to be the bad guy. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, for some reason, it just seems... Even when it's... Even though Century himself, like Bob Reynolds is a good person, he's just very damaged. But, yeah, when I think of Century, I think of the void and the void being the villain. Because even in the Avengers,

like... Yeah, even in the Avengers, when they introduced that aspect of the Boy, it became very, like, obvious thing of, like, there's this dark cloud hanging over the team now, and it's Bob. Like, we don't know when Bob's going to lose his shit, but it could happen any day.

I did. So, all right, to you hop back into the movie itself, what were your thoughts of Lewis Pullman as Bob? It was good. He seemed, I think that the comic version of Bob is much older. He seemed very young and naive,

whereas the comic one is a lot more. He's like a middle-aged kind of, you know, just a dude. But I think they did a good job of explaining that character and like his issues. Yeah. I think in this he was, he had like a backstory of being an addict as well. and then that's kind of how he ended up getting like pulled into the experiment

to try and create the century um yeah I thought Lewis Pilman did a really good job of portraying like both sides of the century and the void and and Bob I guess as well like you know he he played the damaged part of it pretty well. But it was also really funny as well, bouncing off the other members of the team. So, yeah, it was good

casting. Yeah, it worked. It wasn't what I expected, but it worked. You know, oddly enough, the one character I forgot to even mention or go into detail about is the character who's been seen the most. Maybe that's why, but Winter Soldier in Bucky Barnes. I assume that was done on purpose, because he was the most

well known. If you were like, we don't need to talk with this guy. I mean, I almost feel like we don't need to talk about him, but Bucky is in a very weird place in this movie for when I've gathered. Yeah, he's a congressman for some reason, which I don't know why they've

done that, because you know, one, he's got a pretty shady history of killing lots of people. Certainly. A long time. I'm not sure who's voting for that guy. But then, like, I don't think him

being a congressman actually adds anything to the story. Like, he could have played the exact same role without being a congressman in this. So... I saw somebody... Go ahead, Dylan. How do you put him in?

Like, the specific point of him, like, going against Julia and him, like, getting in contact with, like, the other underbolts and stuff, that all ties in really well because he is, like, tight and involved with being a congressman. I'm sure you could tell it another way, but it seems like a really easy way to like tie those threads together. I could have been like drafted into the CIA, which he was, you know, in charge of and then he could have,

you know, been against all this stuff that she was doing and trying to bring it down from the inside. That would have made, I guess, more sense than him being elected to Congress. isn't him like a legend congerist trying to make somebody down

from the inside as well yeah but it's a bit less public though if he's a part of the CIA my

I agree that's a bit it's a bit out of nowhere where like this fucking notorious murder is like but then again

it's American politics so that all got glossed over with no criminal I need come the theory that's wide open

the theory that I saw was that this was Bucky Barnes trying to take the Steve Rogers approach to life in that, like, what's the most good I could do for the most people? And it was a decision of, like, I'll go into politics and I will try to represent, you know, the American people because I have a unique perspective in that I've saved the fucking world. Because he obviously did not want to be Captain America.

He let that go to Sam Wilson. who... I'm always curious where things line up in the timeline. While this is going on, is Sam Wilson fighting the Red Hulk around the Cherry Blossoms in D.C. as this is happening?

I don't know. Because it's one of those things... They sort of mentioned the... They mentioned the ex-president turning into the Red Hulk. So not only did that happen before, yeah.

I mean, the Bob Rothsmith of... you know, either been picked out of the office or lost in that election. So, uh, I would imagine he was impeached. It's kind of hard to keep a guy like that in office. Yeah, right. Yeah, I know. He'll just turn into a giant red monster.

He didn't. Had to bit harsh to impeach him. Then decide to turn into a Hulk. Yeah, but you don't want to be, you don't want him to go into like, you know, we need to, we need to go negotiate tariffs. with the Chinese government and he just turns to a red monster.

Seems like a bad idea. They're like, all right, maybe we'll negotiate. Well, I'm not going to, at first I thought he was an idiot, but now he's a fucking monster. I'm like, hey, oh. So, I'll negotiate.

So what was Sam Wilson's excuse for not helping out with the void? Sam Milton wasn't there. That's what I'm saying. What was his excuse? He's got wings. He could have flown over there. Oh, he's asleep.

Yeah. tell me that uh they sort of hint in a post credit scene that he's up to his own thing at the moment yeah yeah their own Avengers team

God like thinking what the lineups for that team's gonna look like and it didn't look great to be honest with you I mean I don't know like just from the

like people they've announced the Avengers Dune's Day you can sort of get in the gaps and... All right, but no, no. What I'm saying...

Yeah, but what I'm saying is, like, if you look at it from this, so, of course, you know, the big reveal at the end is Julia Louis Dreyfus pulling it out of her ass, like, oh, no, this is the new Avengers.

Sam Wilson's Avengers, Tony Stark's dead. Steve Rogers is a 90-year-old man. Thor is playing space dad somewhere. your heavy hitters are you like you still have Hulk and she Hulk but i don't know what hulk's doing he's like what's yeah what is Hulk doing john i imagine they did something they mentioned that at a show yeah he was uh what was he doing something they got ant man they go they got ant man dr strange is still around so you got a magic guy

you got Zhang Ti Yep and his tin rings Mm-hmm There is a Black Panther Yeah It's not the most exciting lineup on paper When you think about it

No Like are you gonna go see an Avengers movie With that particular lineup And I just don't know if I do But that's why they're doing a multiverse thing Where it's like Oh but the X-Men are gonna be there And

We'll have the Fantastic Four They'll be there too I'm sure. You have that whole, like, it's not the film based on them. It's like the film, they're in it with the other teams are going to be there. A much more interesting team of the

New Avengers are going to be there. Yeah. You know? I mean, that's going to suck if your Avengers team, by the way, is a New Avengers Team. I think it's upstarted by the New Avengers who, all accounts, have just appeared

at nowhere. Yeah. Like, oh man, these guys, this guy fucking U.S. agents beat me up? Come on, man. Angry asshole Captain America And then funny, fat Russian Captain America And then there's robot armed Captain America

He's better than we are That team has three Captain Americas For God's sake And they're all great Imagine being the real Captain America Finally being the Captain America And then being upstairs by three people That aren't Captain America but are

Yeah right That's gonna suck, dude I did see someone, like, they were, like, talking about, like, man, Sam Wilson would not have been really good against the void, because a lot of his motivational speeches were like, you've got to do better. And it's like, that's probably what you shouldn't say to a guy having a nervous breakdown. And also turning a world into a hellscape at the same time. Well, that's why Whitewater does this is a good job, because she was able to empathize with him and understood where he was coming from. I thought the way they did the void.

Oh, yeah, that was good done. So, I guess all three of us were probably like, the void on screen, like, how are they going to do that? How are they going to make it work? I thought the way they did the void was really well done. Really well done. I really enjoyed it. It's a bit at the beginning whenever the White Widow is in the hideout to try to find, destroy the incriminate in evidence. and she picks up some photos

and one of the photos is just of like a black shadow it looks kind of like a blurry like out of focus you look as if it's like somebody running away but like in really like low light or whatever

I'm like why would somebody take a picture of that and then save it like that's a weird thing to see him and then later on in the film when the void comes out he just starts turning people into like shadows he just evaporates them and turns him in the shadows

and then you realize that the photo at the beginning of the film is a photo of the void turning people in the shadows and I'm like oh whoa that's really good like foreshadowing pardon the pun like you only kind of you know you look back and go oh that's really smart you know I love the way they did that because it also makes a lot of sense like the void doesn't just take over the city he turns the people in the city into the darkness and that that's the dark that like engulfs the city I thought that was really well done um I really like that that whole the way when you see the void you can just about see like the shine in his eyes

and the rest of him is like total darkness I love that I thought that all came across really really well yeah because like the void in the I think it was almost too subtle that eyes oh yeah what I thought the eyes were almost too subtle. So, John... They should have been, like, glaring red or something. So, John, how would you... No, I don't think so. I like the way they did it. So in the comics, The Void is usually depicted as having

sort of, like, almost, like, crab legs, essentially. Like, they're very arachnid-looking appendages that are coming from, like, the black shadows. Yeah, he's not strictly humanoid. No, no, no. He's... is this was this was

this entry but just all black yeah did you did you like it felt very subtle in comparison to obviously

the comic of depiction of him as a weird you know arachnid-esque shadow monster I'm pretty sure he has tentacles

in the comics as well yeah there was definitely none of that yeah but yeah like Dennis said I think the visual

representation they went for worked pretty damn well. Right. I think in the comics they try to make it clear that he's different from the century, but making him look like a monster. Yeah. Because the century is human and then the void's a monster. But the way they did it in the film is that they're just like the same side of the,

they're different sides of the same coin. You know what I mean? This is just literally his bad side. But it seemed to work really, really well. It wasn't like, because they could have. They could have just made him a big, crazy ass. monster that eats the whole city. But they didn't. They just made him a dude.

There's something like way scarier about that. He's just like really slow and brooding and he's not beating people up. He's not chees and after people. He's just there. You know what I mean? Everybody can see him. He's a threat. Yeah, it is. It's so

like, it is unnerving. It really is. I think they did a good job of building to that. So all the way through the film, you see Bob having, like, prices of confidence. He doesn't know why he's there. He's not sure he should be with the other guys. He wants to be left in the incinerator.

Like, even when they bring him up to the top, he's like, I don't feel like I'm helping. I'm a hindrance more than the help. He gets really confused as to who he should help. Whenever the new, the Thunderbolts come to beat up Julia Louis Dreyfus, Sanctu comes down to protect her. He's clearly conflicted about that. You can see him building up, like, his confusion, and you've seen his, like, his own, like, clear,

um, uh, what's the way to put it? His own, like, um, lack of self-esteem. No, he doesn't know who to trust. You can see the sent, or the void, like, all the way through it, you can see, like, the sanctuary turning into the void because of the way they kind of built him up. You can see that he's got this mental, like instability all the way through it till you get to that point because I think there's no point where you go why did he become a bad guy like you can see it happen I think that was also well done you know I think they've left it in a really interesting position as well where like he can't use his powers without risking turning into the void again which means that obviously you know come

doomsday or maybe whatever comes after that like he's going to obviously come up against that threat which is serious enough where he's going to have to try and use his powers and

then you know like run the risk of turning into the void again so yeah it's like I think it was a good character arc and it's just to him up for something potentially interesting in the future as well.

I think that sets up a really interesting dynamic for Doomsday and Secret Wars because you're like, it would be so easy to just go, oh, let's get the Sentry to do it. But now they can't because you don't know what's going to happen if he does do that. And I think, well, what if that plays into it? What if in Doomsday Dr. Doom takes control of the sentry

that leads to Secret Wars? that's one of the hooks to that he uses the sentry's power somehow with the void's power to like you remember

like in Singer Wars he took is it the Molecule Man whose powers it probably it's how Molecule Man sounds like the wrong person for that man

yeah so like what if Dr. Doom and this like takes control or finds a way to manipulate the Santery and the Boyd that's you know how

it works I don't know if that's what's going to have obviously, but like there's, they've set up the fact that like, you can't just be the sentry all the time. I was gonna say, like, that was like a big, that was the big part of Dark Avengers

that was always in the background was like, how's Bob doing? Is Bob doing okay? Because we can't have Bob going off the fucking deep end because we don't know what's going to happen if Bob does that. Meanwhile, you had Norman Osborne secretly also dealing with that same problem, but hiding under, you know, arrogance.

Does that a lot. Yeah, he does. Good old Iron Patriot. So, yeah. I mean, all in all, like overall, what did you like about the movie? Was there anything that you feel like they could have done better?

John, we'll start with you. Okay, I'll sit back. I mean, it felt like the plot was a little bit basic, but I think, think it worked for what it was because it was more about the characters rather than them like jet set and across

the globe or whatever and like going from one action set piece to the next it was there was something even though there was like you know still plenty of action as you'd expect from a superhero movie it felt like it was more character

driven so you know even though the plot didn't feel like there was a lot to it, it still kind of ticked the right boxes and felt justified being what it was. I mean, I guess if there was one thing, I wish they could have squeezed in, but I'd not sure how he would have fit into the story. Like, just for history's sake, I would have loved it if Baron Zemo had made an appearance just because of his you know, connection to the Thunderbolts and the comics and everything.

Oh, yeah, yeah. But like I say, I don't know where he would have fit into the story. Like, the team is basically a bunch of guys who are just soldiers anyway with, like, not a lot in the way of powers. Yeah. And he would have just been, yeah, another one of those kind of characters as well. So, yeah. All helmet.

Zemel. I was going to say... It's a very good accent. Well, thank you. I was going to say that... The original Thunderbolts, of course, came about during the... Was it the Heroes Reborn era?

Or right before the Heroes Reborn era of Marvel. Yeah. Where basically a new team of heroes arrived and saved the day, and then it was revealed that they were actually all villains who had assumed new identities to fill the void of the heroes being gone to secretly

you know still push along their nefarious plots so I think whenever people first saw the idea of doing a Thunderbolts movie I think there was that idea that this was going to be something like that that it was going to be characters pretending to be other

people and then of course it didn't happen because they didn't really need to do that I mean essentially these were all characters that had a villainous aspect to them that were put in a position where they weren't necessarily needing to be villains anymore. Yeah, I agree.

I feel like that's the same kind of deal. It's not that they're villains pretending to be a new superhero team, but it's clearly like people who, villainous tendencies, have come together to form a team reluctantly. Yeah. But it still works.

You know, it's a still similar idea, you know. So, Dylan, was there anything that you wish they could have done a little differently? I would have liked more Taskmaster, really. I think that would have been a fun part of it. Now, here's a weird thing. Would you have, so knowing what, well, I guess the thing is, what do you know about the Taskmaster that was in the movie from the Black Widow movie? All I know is that people weren't happy with it.

Okay. John, do you want to give just a quick rundown of, what this character was. Because I know you had mentioned like, you know, in the Black Widow movie, it was hinted to that, it was a man, but then revealed that it was a woman. But, you know, what was the general vibe of this Taskmaster in the Black Widow movie? I mean, there wasn't a whole lot of character to it, really. It was just sort of this dangerous assassin kind of, you know,

doing the business of the Red Room. because there was that mystery over the identity it wasn't as if taskmaster was speaking or showing much in the way of character so it felt like it was just a blank slate like the whole way through

so it would have been a pretty big departure for that character to suddenly take on the more loudmouth wise-cracking personality of the taskmaster that we love and adore so much. But do you think they could have pulled that off?

That kind of shift, but she's Russian. Everybody else is? Yeah. I mean, it would have been weird just considering how sort of violent and, you know, like, stoic he was in Black Widow to

suddenly develop, like, that kind of personality for this, but I mean, you know, there was so much room for growth with the character and to expand

on what they'd set up previously, but yeah, obviously that never really happens. I saw some rumors about some original drafts of the script. I heard the original pitch that the century was not involved,

but it was Valentina tricking John Walker into becoming the new abomination by telling him that his super soldier serum was degenerating him and basically like trying to create her own Hulk. That was an idea that I saw was floated around as the initial pitch with the team coming together to fight this new abomination.

The other thing that I saw was that they made the decision to kill off Taskmaster quickly to establish that anything can happen to any of these characters at any time to help build up stakes, but that some early drafts of the film had her forming a relationship, or like a sisterly bond almost with Ghost, which would have solved the problem that Dylan had pointed out earlier that Ghost didn't really have a lot to do. So it is funny that they went from, like,

these two are going to bond over their, like, trauma and being used and manipulated and stuff. to she's going to shoot her in the head. Well, we go through that struggle on a day basis, don't we? Yeah. I would have liked that better. I don't like the abomination storyline. I don't think that would have worked. But did that Taskmaster had ghosts having a thing,

like some kind of like friendship, reluctant friendship, that I think would have worked. I like that. So yeah, like you said, that was just some rumors. know if it's true or not. I did see, apparently the writer did confirm that the decision was to kill Taskmaster early to establish

that, anything could happen at any time. But, I mean, I get that because you did feel like, whoa, because I didn't expect it. Whoa, Taskmaster's dead. But I also, A, you didn't really think any of those other guys are going to die. And B, it's one

those, like, this isn't, Taskmaster should be able to see that coming, right? I mean, the whole gimmick being... Taskmaster. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, the comic book Taskmaster, I don't know if it works the same way,

was photographic memory. They could watch how someone fights and then mimic it. So you have a... Because that was what made Taskmaster such a fun villain because, you know, he could fight like Captain America,

he could fight like Hawkeye, he could fight like Spider-Man, you know, he was capable of doing it all. Yeah. Minus the powers aspect. So I felt that was a bit... I felt that was a bit Darwin-esque, you know what you mean?

It was Darwin-ass. wasn't it? We're going to lose some people on that one. Can we make that a frisk? I feel like we should, but we should explain it first in case people don't know what we're talking about. Did we not explain that in the X-Man one we did? I feel like we did, but it was well over a year ago.

So the expression comes from Darwin, a mutant character as the ability to adapt at a moment's notice to survive anything, was killed off in X-Men first class, in a very anticlimactic way when it's like your whole powers

are to survive anything. I don't know what happened that you turned into ash. Correct. His literal power is to get rid of, to get out of any situation. So if there was a situation that would have, like it happened subconsciously.

Yeah. He has no control over it. He doesn't know what's, correct. He doesn't know what's going to happen. He just, something happens and he gets away from it. So for him to just die,

you'd be like, well, he didn't, he would have, his body would have, But the whole point of that character, the thing that annoyed me about that was because they just killed Darwin off, then they've used literally any of the other 4,000 X-Men characters to fill that role.

Yeah. There's no reason Darwin had to be that guy. Yeah. It flies in the face of what he's supposed to do. Well, yeah, because even then, like, if Darwin's in a no-win situation, like, let's say that there's an army of, like, demons coming at him and no hope to survive.

His body is just going to teleport him away. because again his body is his body is on autopilot all the time to make sure he stays safe so it does make no sense right no

so that's the thing with taskmaster is that because he can adapt to other people's fighting styles he would have surely known that the person that shot him in the head has the capabilities and willingness to be able to possibly shoot him in the head or shoot her in the head I should say

I mean this is a tasker has gone toe to toe with Deadpool on numerous occasions. And, I mean, the fact that he could survive Deadpool is amazing and of itself, because Deadpool is unhinged and unpredictable, which says a lot about his ability to read body language and figure shit out very quickly. Correct. I know, John, are we hyping up Taskmaster too much? No, I think Taskmaster in the comics is a character who can pretty much go toe-to-to-to-with anyone.

hero of it and they're like and yeah we haven't definitely not seen that side of them in the movies so you know it almost it almost feels like they like going back to that blackwood movie they could have used any other character

for that role any other character would probably suffice didn't have to be taskmaster well here we are so really any thoughts that you would like Any remaining thoughts on Thunderbolts before we wrap it up?

Where are you excited to see this team go? I really liked it. I really liked the casting of all the characters. Like I said, I hadn't seen these guys before. I didn't know they existed. I thought the casting of all of them was great. Like, they all did. What they were supposed to do, they all did it really well.

Super happy to see Julia Louis Dreyfus, because she is amazing. I really liked it. I really liked that film. It was a lot of fun. Yep. Agreed. Very funny as well in places. I think we should say, the first half, very funny.

Second half, bit of a daughter. Yeah, yeah. There's not as much to joke about in the second half, I guess. Second half is very real for some people. Do you what you mean? I was like, oh, man. Oh, my God. But even then, you still have David Harbour,

like, you know, bringing some laughs to the proceedings I guess but true and also like the you know like the post credit scene as well is obviously I mean let's talk about it

we have two post credit scenes we already weren't people on spoilers the movie's a month old at this point let's talk about post credit scenes we did talk about the one with Captain America all the way through the film the Red Guardian is trying to tell people that they should be in the team.

Because then, if they're in the team, they can be on the Wheaties box. You know, like the, it's a celebrity thing in the Merck. Yeah. You'd be on the Wheaties box. The first post-credit scene is him in supermarket and a woman's up by the cereal aisle. And he goes, oh, you're like the Wheaties, right? Look at, you want cereal? Look at this one.

He picks up a box of Wheaties. Kind of like holding it against his head and he's like, you want? You want? she's like oh sure and she kind of like those it away but he's so proud to be on the Wheaties box you know and that was just a wonderful

wonderful moment and the next post credit scene was the second post credit scene was a year after well I think slightly more than the year after the new Avengers formed

living in Avengers Tower then hinting at Sam Wilson going after the Avengers name and putting together his own team and then you know something hits on the radar

there's something happening in space and they go to take a closer look and what is it it's an extra dimensional spaceship has showed up with the fantastic floor, the fantastic floor.

Oh, gosh, yeah, I was actually hate that when it happens. Oh, God. It was a fantastic like tiling all the way. It was just beautiful stuff. Beautiful. The grouting.

Oh, my God. So good. Perfectly balanced. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, so it's obviously, you know, setting stuff up for

Avengers Doomsday and kind of getting us excited for the Fantastic Four movie which comes out in late July. So how yeah. There you go. So

I know that we're talking about we should probably get actually we need to get it on the schedule because we talked about wanting to do a watch along to the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie around the time of the Fantastic Four movie coming out. We are probably getting really close to that happening

schedule-wise. I want to say... I want to say that at this point we're middle of June? If you're listening to this, if it's the middle of June, let me know. So we should probably... So we should probably get on that at some point soon as watching the Roger

Corman Fantastic Four, which I have seen... I saw actually in a movie theater, which is fantastic. John Fantastic floor you mean It was a fantastic floor John you've seen it correct Yes definitely

Dylan I don't think you have And I think you're in for a treat I have seen select parts of it Because me and my friend Used to joke over this all the time I think there was a trailer for it I don't know if it was a trailer I was like a fan made like cut of some of the best bits

But we've seen select parts of that film they made us laugh a lot the stretchy arm is beautiful stuff the invisible woman just like you know one of those beautiful cuts where they're like we're guards and then like a clear cut

and then they're like where'd you go there you go I haven't seen the whole film but I've seen clips well I am very much looking forward to watching that with you too and I look forward to watching it with the rest of you as well

but that's going to be everything for us today if you have seen Thunderbolts let us know in the comments what you thought about it if you've not seen Thunderbolts with how successful it's been it's probably still in the theater yeah so by all means you watching this more

yeah right weirdly confusing Dylan do you have anything you want to promote I guess I should promote the radio show you should I do a radio show It's a local show So you can listen to it on the radio if you want

But because it's online as well It's like a digital radio So you can listen to it wherever you are in the world So John can listen to it in his underwater base In Atlantis Or you can listen to it when he's up in space With Kitty Perry I assume I'm not sure if you can go digital

Up in Space I don't know where the digital stops. I mean, she was only up there for 15 minutes, so it would only be able to like a couple of songs at best. Well, then on the way down as well, you get the whole experience. So it's bintsidigitalradio.comaed at UK. You can listen to it whenever you want.

I do my show from 9 o'clock till 11 o'clock on Monday nights, UK time, which is like, what do we say, 4 o'clock? Yeah, 5.5. hour difference. 4 o'clock at one of the United States times. Eastern standard.

Eastern standard. Let's say standard time. It's just I don't know what it is in like Poland or it's probably fucking in the 12 o'clock at night

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would just say and stuff and i'm like oh that's good and it just it was a train wreck the last 40 minutes you probably got some good stuff did you Yeah, yeah. There was a lot of good music on there. Like the last song was Queens of the Stone Age, but it was too long, and then it got cut off. Did it? Oh, yeah, 11 o'clock. It just stopped. The song itself goes that. It just cuts off. It's got to...

It felt like it was before the song finished. Like, another song. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's a shame. But there was a bunch of songs you didn't get to play last week. Then I'm going to play next week. of course we're saying this when the queens of stony's song was the closing song that was like a month ago

at the time you hear this episode there's been loads of other episodes but you should go and listen to it bounce digital radio dot coded uk it's really good if I do say so myself you can text you can WhatsApp me while the show is happening and I can read your messages on the show

I take requests for bands not for songs because I'm really picky about the songs they play but if you give me a band they can find a song that I like and I'll play that in the show. That's it unless you pick Braw Town in which case I'll definitely play Brawl Town and that's all I got going for me. All right. So that will do us for tonight. I hope you all enjoy yourselves. I hope we enjoyed our conversation about the Thunderbolts. Again you have any thoughts about the movie. Be sure to leave us a comment and we will you all next time. Goodbye. Bye. Bye. Oh my god, it's a ghost. She's back. Ghost duck.