The Smark Avengers - Vol 4. Ep 16: Xavier’s Early Years: Secrets, Lies & the Birth of the X-Men (Part One)

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

🧠 Professor X like you’ve NEVER seen him before. In this first part of a two-episode deep dive, the Smark Avengers crew explores the complex and controversial early life of Charles Xavier—long before he became the leader of the X-Men. From murdering his twin sister Cassandra Nova to founding the X-Men, we break down the origins of Marvel’s most powerful telepath. 👊 We cover: Xavier’s childhood and dark family secrets His first encounter with Magneto, Juggernaut, and Moira MacTaggert The formation of the original X-Men lineup How Charles shaped mutantkind up through the 1980s This episode is packed with shocking comic lore, wild takes, and classic Smark banter. Whether you're team Xavier or think he’s Marvel’s biggest manipulator, this one’s for you. 📌 Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and hit that notification bell so you don’t miss Part Two! For Dylan's Radio Show, click the link!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk #XMen #ProfessorX #MarvelComics #SmarkAvengers #CharlesXavier #XMenHistory #ComicBookPodcast #MutantMadness #MarvelLore #MCU

Do you think Xavier was, like, ever secretly into Cyclops like he was Gene? Yeah, 100%. That's why he made Cyclops cleaner. He was the first member he recruited. Yeah, because he's broken. He's in that robotic yellow submarine wheelchair floating around going, that boy, his eyes don't work because his brain's not good. I must have him.

To be, my ex-man. His ass. Oh, my God. Woo! You know? Cyclops, you're going to have to wear some real tight spandex. In yellow. So it really accentuates it.

Bright canary yellow. Yeah. You've got to come over here so I can really check it out. Like really close my eyes. Yeah, just right up. Into the wheelchair. Yeah, up on Papa's lap. He can't feel his legs.

Yeah, yeah. Sit on it. It doesn't mind. You know, it's good. The wheelchair is set up so that somebody else can sit on top of me. don't ask why I ask for that specification. It's just it's the way it is.

A little hover wheelchair. Is this in the show? And we are recording, it can be. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Swark Avengers. Welcome to Swarge Avengers. My name is Corey. With me is Dylan and John.

Guys, I think it's easy to say what we're talking about today. Cyclops his penis. He's got one eye. So anyway, yeah. We started this about two years ago, I want to say, with the very first episode where we discussed Beast. Was it just our fascination with, like,

how evil they were making Beast that kind of started this whole thing? Did we start this before Beast got evil? Yes, it was like right around when it was starting to happen, because we were talking about, like, he's been doing some real questionable stuff I don't know how they're going to turn this around and I was like no he's just misunderstood

don't worry buddy he's really a nice boy that wouldn't kill everybody he's fine yeah then we found out recently that picture I sent you he's also a bit of a nudist at times well which is why he was one of the first five to be recruited by Charles Xavier who as we've established is into that kind of thing

he's like creep but yeah no we've discussed beast Iceman angels, Cyclops, Gene Gray, the original five, and then we decided to branch out a little bit further with Magneto, who also appeared in the first issue of X-Men, and now, Professor Charles Xavier, the leader of the X-Men,

who also appeared in the first issue of the X-Men. From there, I guess, you know, we'll talk about this off the air, like, where are we going to go from here in regards to doing our breakdown of X-Men? Because I do enjoy this series an awful lot. We're going to do... Peepers. Peepers? Okay.

Keepers. How are we going to stretch that out to that whole episode? We're going to have to split that one in the three parts. Yep. Just the section of how many people they slept with... There we go. That's just, as we say. One episode is just all about the other women cycle out are Peepers as fuck, you know?

And it's a long list. Yeah, I mean, there's... The reason that Dylan and I both thought about is what they're most iconic for. Yeah. Just that roll of the... He got that little black book. But yes, no. Today we're going to be doing a deep dive on Charles Xavier.

You know how this goes. We're going to start with his beginnings, his endings, and all the fun stuff in between. And if time allots, we will also talk about how he's been presented in the larger media. So, John, I want to say that this is your baby today. I think that's what we had decided upon. Okay, doke. Wow.

There was a moment of trepidation. Maybe this episode's not happening today. I mean, there's a lot to discuss here, so I figure we should jump straight in. Of course. Okay. Yeah, we got lots to get to. So, Charles Xavier, he is the son of a wealthy nuclear researcher

called Brian Xavier. He was also, he had like a baby, a twin sister, who he decided to kill in the womb because he could sense that she was evil. He could have to do that make sense, doesn't it? I mean, it's pretty wild that he isn't even born yet and he's already getting up to some pretty wacky shit. Right, like, it shows you how powerful he is

because the idea is with mutants that they typically show up their mutant powers whenever they're like adolescents, like 13 and 14. him, he weredian stuff. But like, in, in the womb, Xavier's like, no,

I know this bitch is going to cause me some trouble. He already, he already, he's a brief. Was that his psychic powers,

or was he just like, I just don't, I don't want to share this space with her. You know, that's actually, that's the thing. No,

you go ahead, John. Because he's, he's got, like, as we all see, like, an arrogant freak

running through and where he thinks he knows better than everyone else. And he's, Here he is, judging his sister who... Oh, his fetus. She's like a fetus.

She's not even a person yet, and he's decided, nope, she's evil. I'm going to fucking kill her. In my country, life begins at conception. Christ. No, I was going to say that that's an interesting point that it seems like he had his powers at an even younger age, basically before he was even born. Because that was such a plot point in X. factor where Jamie Madrox was another mutant whose powers manifested when he was a baby.

When the doctors, you know, did the age old slap on the butt to get the baby to cry, he duplicated in the doctor's hand, which would have been really awkward if he had dropped one of those babies. Good hands on that doc. But yeah, has that ever been brought up anywhere else like Xavier, you know, potentially being something other than a mutant potentially? I think we're the only ones to actually set it out of that line. Like, legit.

I don't think anybody has ever... Because, no, I don't think anybody's ever, like, thought of that at all. We were the first ones to do it. It's true for the Smart Avengers first. Wouldn't it be funny, that? Wouldn't it be funny if he was, like, if he wasn't a mutant and he spent all these years, like, trying to get equal rights from mutants and, you know,

promote peace with humanity? But his sister was a mutant, and so he is the very thing he's been rallying against his entire life. Yeah. I'm going to kill the mutants. So we found out that he's the product of some weird double conception where his dad was like the ancestor of Bolivar Trask. So he's like the first ever mutant hater on top of it.

Yeah. Like he's everything wrong with society. So I think it's fair we can move on beyond fetus Charles. We had baby Magneto and fetus Charles and baby juggernaut. Fetus Xavier, new character. He do have a thing for babies. So basically, yes, he was born

to a nuclear researcher father who, I guess that was sort of a cover story because he was actually like a scientist who was working with a gentleman by the name of Nathan Milbury, aka Mr.

Sinister, and they were basically experimenting or investigate in the mutant genome or whatever and so yeah like Charles kind of grew up

getting experimented on by Mr. Sinister apparently I have a question before we get to further because this is a connection I've only one question this is going to be a slow episode I had a real I had a moment of

connection that I just now dawned on me. Mr. Sinister's alias notoriously Nathaniel Essex, and this other name he used also Nathaniel. If he's been obsessed with the Summers clan forever, why the fuck did Scott name his son Nathan? Wouldn't that be, like, you wouldn't

all he's brain damaged because of the airplane accident? Okay, there we go. Never mind. We can move forward. There you go. It's just like weird thing to name your kid after the guy who's literally been torturing you your whole life Yeah, I've always thought that too I'm like what a coincidence that you know The guy that's obsessed with you has the same name as your son

Like specifically obsessed with your genealogy Like obsessed with your DNA And you name your offspring after him weird Exactly Like maybe it's like a fuck you to him You know what I mean like are you so obsessed with my my DNA. Well, look what my DNA made.

You had made you. Just gestures to cable. This is the result of that. She doubled. Four Nathan. And then Strife is there right beside him. It just gets worse. Yeah. And Nate Gray is there as well,

so there's like four Nathan's. Oh, good. Great. There's a little cable from Krakow is there, too. Baby cable. name table thank you get the name right give him his full title

respect on his name all right john we'll stop okay so Charles's dad died when he was nine years old and his mother Sharon decided to

marry one of his other colleagues by the name of Kurt Mark and then they this new sort of makeshure family moved back to their like Westchester mansion um where uh you know Charles got to know his stepbrother Kane Marco who we all know and love um and yeah Kane took an instant dislike to Charles bullied him um abused him basically was an asshole can I say that it was a self-ful prophecy? Like if you were born and someone to say they're going to name you Kane and you're like, all right, cool, as long as they don't have a brother, things will be fine. Uh-oh.

Now I have to be an asshole by name. Yeah, yeah. Just look at WWE. Yeah. That's the only reference that we could possibly think of. Look at Spider-Man. Yeah, there you go.

That's probably done a purpose, right? Probably. He probably took that name intentionally. Who knew that Kane had such a sense of humor. Well, you know, they chopped and changed him so much these days. He's probably a stand-o-comedian, though. You know? I think he's still Scarlet Spider. Is he?

I think so. His little wrist-bone things. I hate it. Anyway. Anyway. So, let's get back to this, Val-Zare-Ga-Zer getting the shit kicked out of him. well his his mother died soon after as well

so he was basically an orphan well growing up with an evil stepdad an evil stepbrother but like this is when I thought his powers of telepathy kind of kicked in so I don't know how he managed to have the powers to you know sense that Cassandra Nova

was evil in the womb some that's what we're saying he didn't he was just a little bitch. Yeah. I mean, twins... That sounds way more likely. I mean, that happens to twins.

Like, there are some gestations that absorb one another. It happens. But to do it with the inner monologue of going into... Oh, she's going to be evil. That's... I don't know. Feels like a weird sequel to...

Yeah. That's the self-fulfilling prophecy, right? I think she's evil, so I'm going to kill her. And after that happened, you were like, well, you know what? Fuck you. I'm going to be fucking evil. You try to kill me? I'm going to get you.

Like, you can't just, you can't not be evil. I mean, you got, like, oh, he tried to kill me. To be fair. Like, I would like, he was a baby. They both were babies. So? What life, he knew that. What life experience is he drawing on, though?

He had the, he had the concept of evilness in the womb. He, you know what you mean? Like, well, everyone is born. in sin. And sin is evil. Except for him, obviously. Well, then in that case, he should let her live because he was also evil. Exactly.

But instead he doubled down and became double evil by killing an innocent life. That's like some What I'm saying? What's that, John, what is that movie that they did in the early 2000s of Tom Cruise? About, uh... What, the future crime one. Yeah. Minority

Report. Minority Report. Except extreme minority report. because it's a little maybe. Yeah, this is exactly like minority report. Exactly like minority report. You put them up side by side, couldn't tell the difference. Frame by frame, it's perfect, perfect shot. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So anyway, so Charles' powers kick in, and then, you know, he starts excelling at school, and he goes to Harvard. and graduates at 16 and then he goes to Oxford University and there he meets Young Lassie by the name of

Moira Kinross, aka Moira McTaggart as we would eventually come to Noah and you know I don't know how to talk about this because it's like all the timeline is all weird

now because of the Krakowen age and everything real bad oh they fucked it and John just to let you know, they have introduced another young another character from Xavier's past

from before Moira, I want to say. It's like right after college. This woman that he... Right. Yeah, do you know anything about this? She's introduced as a villain in Gail Simone's Uncanny X-Men, but basically she's this woman

that like Xavier was in love with and then she made herself believe she was pregnant with their child and he left her because he was like you're not pregnant and she went insane and then that somehow resulted in her mutating into a weird

swamp witch but he left her because she wasn't pregnant and he wasn't able to murder the baby so he's like ah I've got no interest in this if I can't murder those kids it's like I'm murder penis I'm not interested I'm out

because he's all the vice he was actually taking her to the abortion clinic when that conversation happened, just excited. He was like, yes, it's been forever. Let me do it. I could do it. I've experienced, like a prior experience. Just get in there.

Yeah, I know where I'm going. I'll figure it out. I'll tell that with him my way around the next. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know what I'm doing. This one's shaping up to be really good. We're knocking out of the park today. Oh, dear.

So, Moira and Charles fell in love and got engaged, but then Xavier was drafted to go and fight in the Korean War, which I guess on the sliding Marvel timescale, is some other war now. But either way, he ends up in the war with Kane, and that's where Kane discovers the temple of Cittarak and gains the powers of the Juggernaut. only to immediately get buried for I guess several years because he doesn't really come back and do anything so but yeah after surviving the war Charles finds out that Moira has broken off their engagement and actually got married to Joe Mataget instead which kind of breaks his heart and makes him decide okay well fuck it then I've got nothing to tie me down so I'll go

traveling for a bit and yeah so he heads off to Egypt, to Cairo specifically, where he encounters the Shadow King for the first time, manages to defeat him, but kind of realizes that, you know, there are evil mutants out there as well who could, like, threaten the peace with mankind.

Which he already realized. They already do this, apparently. Well, yeah, yeah. He also met Storm then as well. It's worth noting when he was just, like a child thief in Cairo. But then he traveled to Israel, and we talked about this in the Magneto episode, where he meets Magneto for the first time, and they're working together to help

Holocaust survivors, and then they work together to rescue Gabrielle Haller as well, who was captured by, I think it was von Stracker. but yeah in doing so they kind of reveal their powers to each together and you know I fall in love yeah

well you know maybe they did and that's why it's been such a rocky road ever since I think Charles Xavier used his powers to make Magneto fall in love with him and then that's why Magneto always wears

the helmet now because he's like if I take the helmet off Xerius is just going to make me fall in love with him again and I don't want that I go through all that shit again. Yeah, and then we find out he made him fall in love with him through some convoluted scheme to kill Wolverine somehow. That was a weird one.

Yeah. Yeah, and then John's like, that gives me an idea. So anyway, the Xavier Magneto thing obviously very big, very momentous moment

in their lives changed the trajectory, both of their lives moving forward for sure. But it's really funny because I don't when you think about that, I don't really think about that whole storyline as being the only thing I ever

remember taking away is like that's when Xavier Magneto met. I don't remember any plot at all about that, which is odd considering Legion's moms involved. Yeah. I'd be honest, I'm not sure what the situation is with

like Gabrielle, like, I'm not sure if it's been kind of fully explored in the comics or whatever, but at some point he has a relationship with her and knocks her up and then kills the baby. Tries to.

But then, no, this time he just goes traveling again. He's like, well, see ya. To resist the temptation of killing the baby. I was going to say negligence is also a way that you can kill a baby as well. that's true well yeah but he likes to hands on approach you he's just workshopping it seeing how he felt about it

yeah try different ideas you know like you said there's lots of different ways to kill the baby and he's like well well let's try this one you know so anyway he's a deadbeat dad uh yeah he sure is um so and he's yeah he's basically still traveling wound now he ends up

in the Himalayas where he clashes with an alien named Lucifer who is like trying to set up an invasion of kind of Earth. But Charles manages to somehow stop him. But in the process, like a large stone block or something just falls on him and paralyzes him from the waist down. he stops him by showing how good he is to do a kickflip up a mountain and then the aliens are like you're an idiot why did you carry a scaper all the way up the mountain for that I'm going to curse you to having no legs

so it does happen I also would like to just point out some weird things about that again very momentous momentous moment in Xavier's life I had no idea how I could not remember for the life of me how he became paralyzed So obviously not the most well-written story in the world. Two, the alien was named Lucifer. Is there any acknowledgement of the fact that this alien race named their people after Christian ideology?

I get the feeling that the alien may have named himself Lucifer after ideal ideology, just to kind of, I guess, fuck with mankind a bit. like put the fear in them oh I'm Lucifer but then how do we know that that is an alien and not just the real Lusiver yeah I was curious like were the aliens posing as like angels and stuff

don't you mean no no I don't think there was any religious aspect to it whatsoever so you pick the right name for it it's a weird coincidence yeah all right I'll stop distracting from that one on I was just curious I'm like oh that's odd

were they like pretending to be demons So yeah, so Xavier is, well, we know about Xavier so far, killed an embryo. Mm-hmm. Had a dad and a mom, lost a dad and a mom, got a new dad with a shitty older brother. Yep. Goes off to war, engage, comes back, not engaged. Goes off to travel, meets a weird psychic man in Egypt, defeats him. him realizes from that point

on that there are people who use their gifts for evil, which is an odd thing that you would think you'd realize before you're in your 20s. That, like, oh, these powers that allow me to do things, like, obviously. Now, here's the thing. You mentioned that when he got his powers, that then he got better in school and stuff.

So you're saying he was cheating by using his telepathy and, like... That's what I think. Because I was, like, that's 100% what I think. Is he a... Is... 100% what I was thinking. So is Xavier of fake genius like Elon Musk

is what we're getting at. Well, no. Are the X-Men just doge? I mean, probably, but I assume what he did was he used his power to like, not just to like cheat, but to

like retain knowledge that he would have otherwise not been able to access before. Like that's how he became so smart is that he was able to just be like, I can read your mind. I could, now it's my mind. but in a more less evil way. Less evil way. Yeah. Yeah, less like

stereotypical. Like, wow, I've got your mind now. But like he was able to like get ahead so quickly because he had access to all this stuff because he could read people's mind and figure stuff out much quicker than everybody else did. I assume part of that stems to cheating where he was like, I can just read the mind of whoever the fucking quiz master is

if they have the cheat sheets there or whatever. Read the mind of the taskmaster. or yeah like he's he could probably like you know to his way there but I imagine

he probably retained a lot of that info like there's a lot going on in that mind of his yeah but I also think that like he wouldn't

use a celebrity to fucking cheat because you would right yeah I just a hypothetical just how that was shadow can go

you're being evil like you were fucking cheating you went to Harvard at 16 how old did that happen the same thing okay stand by that

because he was just using orphans to steal shit. Yeah. Which is cool. It's totally cool. It's awesome. We all love Gambit.

Not them wrong with that. Yeah, exactly. But, okay, so that happens with Shadow King, meets Xavier, pisses off Xavier, goes up a mountain to fight an alien

named Lucifer and becomes paralyzed. That's where we are now. Basically, yeah. Okay. And we've had him hooked up with a future swamp

witch, Moira Mataggart. Magneto. Gabriel Hela. Probably Magneto as well, yeah. He definitely von Magneto. Now he's hooking up with the nurse who was trying to help him back to health.

Amelia Vott. Vot. What a player. Who's also a mutant. She has like a, I guess she turns into like steam or something. I don't know.

can all be winners. They can all be winners. I was the same, how come I've never heard of this character before? Oh, she just turns into steam? All right, that's fair. I guess it might be missed, but either way. What's the difference? It's not a great power. Anyway, so

they could trick you into thinking they fall in love. They go back to America and that's where he starts developing the technology for Cerebro. and opens up his school for gifted youngsters recruiting all these young mutants that come and learn how to use their powers for good instead of evil.

But Amelia... Okay, I was but to ask that very question. Go ahead. Okay, yeah. She basically thinks that Charles is like painting a target on their back and, you know, putting kids in debt. danger, which I think it's safe to say he was

very guilty of. Consistently. And so she leaves and Charles assists with his plans bringing in Scott Summers, Bobby Drake, Warren Worthington, Hank McCoy and Gene Gray,

aka the X-Men who soon announced themselves to the world when they foil Magneto's attack on Cape Citadel. And yeah, there you go. That sets up the team. Then they start getting into all their adventures and stuff. And, like, he mentioned Kane earlier.

He comes back as the juggernaut, like, looking to, I was going to say get his revenge, but, like, I think Charles hadn't really done anything. That's only the, probably the first time he hasn't done anything. Well, he left him abandoned in that temple. You would have them. Yeah. You would have him.

He was a prick. He deserved to be abandoned. Yeah, but now we have to feel bad for him because he gets a child abuse. That's why he's in the X-Men now, despite not being a mutant. No, but the whole point was that he was abusing Charles when they were kids. He was bullying him. Yeah, but he was being abused by their dad, so he was taking it out on Charles. Charles.

But Charles was probably also been abused with that. Yeah, no, he was because I remember

that was like a, I think that was in some of those early issues where like Xavier revealed to Kane

that he was also getting the shit kicked out of him by their dad. Yeah. So. But he was too big

he can kill a dad. You know, a baby, you can kill a lot but a dad. How it's too tall. Yeah, way too big. Yeah, they can fight back.

You know. All fetuses can do is kind of like wiggle around their little finger, nailless hands. Yeah, they got no way to attack whatsoever, but a man, kick you in the head, you know. So, um, Jesus. Anyway.

$5,000. Yes. So I was thinking, like, this is an aside, but I think it would be fun. If we kind of keep going in the chronological aspect of this, and we just pick up, like, who's the next character that debuted in the X-Men? But obviously, we weren't going to have. a lot of fun if we're doing like Vanisher or mimic.

So I think like one episode where we just go over like who were the original like X-Men villains from like the 1960s? I think that could be a good time. You only think Vanisher is a classic character? I mean he did show up in the X-Force kill squad team.

He did. Elyxer gave him cancer and they made him stay on the team so that Elixir would eventually heal him. Our heroes everyone. Yep. Well, at least he didn't kill him when he's a baby. There's time travelers on that team who made that happen.

Phantom X is there. You can't, you know, you never know what that guy's going to do. You never, well, wow, we'll get to that. But anyway, so yeah, I think that, I don't know, I think that could be a good one rather than, like, trying to stretch an episode out of, like, the blob. I don't know if people want to talk about his... What's wrong with the blob? Well, I don't know. how much we can talk about his stent as a bartender in Krakawa.

Well, the blob's a long way away, I would imagine, right? Yeah. No, no, he's one of the original brotherhood, right? Yeah, yeah. He's in the 60s. He was one of the original Brotherhood, but he was one of the original X-Men villains, definitely.

Yeah. So, yeah. But, like, for that, I can imagine we'll probably do, like, the original Brotherhood as, like, a unit. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, not, not batch all of them together like that. Do the Brotherhood and then do like the one-off guys because it was the 1960s Ex-Men is very much

that villain of the week kind of comic. So there were quite a few. Anyway. Or do like Polaris and Havoc. That's why. Would you put them together or separate them? I would do havoc separately considering what the fuck they've done with him.

I don't really well, yeah, maybe. I mean, right. Up until from the ashes, he was a zombie for a period of time. Really? Yeah, he died. Yeah. Well, having the hots for the Goblin Queen will do that to you, I imagine.

No one's going to talk about that. Isn't it weird how my little brother is very attracted to the woman that was a clone of my wife, who I sired a child with, and then abandoned? He's going to have a shit going on. He doesn't give a shit about his brother. I actually think that's part of the... I actually think that's part of the characterization. The Cyclops didn't give a shit about Alex.

Anyway, all the X-Men's stuff to and aside, all the X-Men's-Elland-suff to decide. John, if you want to pick up right, where, you know, they're on their initial adventures. Right, you. So, yeah. And then, like, another example of Charles being somewhat of a shady character.

who maybe doesn't always do the right thing. Like, he decides to fake his own death to prepare for an invasion by an alien race, known as the Z-K. I think that's fair enough, because half of them was already dead, so it's really easy to fake the other half being dead. We're going to cut some of these jokes out.

What? It's not exactly... I guess it's abelist. We're making fun of disabilities. No, we're making fun of his disability in a specific Charles Xavier way. I mean, if it's true. Also, he's not real.

I know, I'm just saying. We cut out the pedophile. We cut out a lot of pedophile jokes in the past, so this might be up there in that same level. You did. I don't think you want to be on the record defending Professor Pig having sex with children. I'm doing that for you

I don't I don't think that that happened I think you were exaggerated not significantly look cut this but I but not to joke up with the legs stuff there there'll be cut story anyway

yes so Xavier is faked his death Charles is he's faked his death and not told any of his ex-man except for Gene

She's the only one who knows, because I guess she's his favorite. That is another thing, which we didn't mention. Yeah, there's also a scene very early on in the X-Men run where Al's hints at having romantic feelings for Gene when she was, I don't know, like 15 or something, so that's a bit catchy as well. What does he spend with Tycobs? I mean, well, he's a horny bastard, so I'm sure he's...

craving after it. Yeah, he sawed about it. Yeah. Just had a censor myself. So, to go, that's from that period of time, though, where Gene Gray's characterization in the X-Men was the girl.

So every male character had a crush on Gene Gray. Like, literally, there were scenes of all of the boys making fools of themselves trying to one up one another to get her attention. With, like, Cyclops being the self-effacing, like, oh, I'm not rich or handsome like Warren, so she won't like me. I'm totally not going to have an affair later on with a smoking hot blonde psychic.

Anyway, yes. Xavier having, like, feelings on Gene. That was only like that one panel. I don't know if they ever continued on past that, did they? No, they didn't. I feel like even just doing it, that one pilot, and it was like, well, what are you thinking here? Yeah. Yeah, that might be.

Because Charles, Charles's age has been quite ambiguous as well. He looks old because he's bold. So, you know, if you go by him being, say, like in his 40s or 50s or whatever, especially creeping on a 15 or 16-year-old girl, that's... I'm not accusing all bold people

are being creeps, just, you know, Charles Xavier. We said. Though I knew it was coming at some point. There was going to be a ball joke. But yes. So, yeah, Gene,

it felt like it was something that they just did once, and then maybe someone took Stanley aside and said, hey, don't do that again. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. But from that point on, they, like, get up to other stuff. Charles is part of the Illuminati when that kicks off

along with Black Panther, Namor, Dr. Strange, Reed Richards, Iron Man, and Black Bolt and they basically come together to decide what's best for humanity, I guess, and how to deal with threats and all that kind of stuff.

Canonically, the Illuminati were established really early into a lot of these characters' pasts, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, the Illuminati would have had to have been established after he faked his death. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was after he faked his death.

So he faked his death, and then he, like, fucked to fuck off with, like, a bunch of aliens, right? Yeah, okay, so when you said that he faked his death for the alien invasion, this is not the Shiar storyline coming into play, is it? No. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, this is before the Shiar. Is this like Cadbury K? I thought it was an alien race called the Z-NOT. Maybe that's what I think.

He went up in space. He faked his death. He went into space. But at some point, someone's going to have to be like, you think he's really dead? Or do you think he's just off killing fetuses in space now? Like, you know, maybe he's not dead. Because he comes back again at some point.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. After the aliens have been beaten, he comes back and it was like, ha ha, ha, this was my plan all the long to beat the aliens. So why did he have such little faith in his own hand-picked team of mutants to be able to save this way of aliens? Did he just think, no, we'll leave them on Earth to look after the mutants. And I, the only person capable of being able to solve this mystery myself, we go to space and single-handedly beat all the aliens myself,

but with me having lots of experience in space travel. You know what I mean? Like, it's very arrogant of him to be like, listen, I'll cover this. You five stay here, but also I won't tell you where I'm going. I'll just pretend I'm dead. You know what I mean? Like, he has a team built for this thing kind of thing, right? Isn't it seem weird that he'll be like,

I'm just going to fuck up the space room. See you later. See in a bit. So, okay. so what happens so what's a result of that like is he's successful and comes back

and explains to the team like hey just just kidding not dead I know I have a crime I don't really understand what the point of his plan was because he faked his death and then the team basically broke up

because they thought Charles was dead it'd be silly for us to continue to be the X-Men because Xavier's not here just say Xavier's, man, who's that? Oh, some dead guy? Who cares? He's dead. We saw the video. It's clearly him falling off the roof of his house.

You know, I was thinking, when you said fake his death, I was just... Whenever you say, like, he faked his death, I always just thought of the last season of Our Flag Means Death, where Reast Arby's character fakes his death, in a very elaborate way involving a stuffed Jaguar eating him alive. That's probably...

I mean, the X-Node would fall for that, wouldn't they? would think so. I think so. And there's no way that the telepath Dean Gray could look at it and go, wait, but hold up. Not a real effort.

That's why she was in on it, though. She was the wheelman. Yeah, exactly. And she was totally cool with it. She's like, yeah, fuck off the space, creepy old dude. Well, that's why. If he's in space, he can't creep on me

anymore. Because I looked in your memory. I looked in your memory, and I find something real weird from like when you were a fetus. Weird, weird, weird memories in there, so you all go off to space. Is this why in my uniform is this green little cutoff mini skirt? You said this was standard issue.

Yeah, why psychopaths are so tight? What's going on, man? You're right? So, when he comes back, this is a bit I'm confused by it. And Corey, you might be confused about this, too. I think, I guess we don't have a good explanation for it, right?

Where he just came back? It was like, I'm back. Job well done? You know, did he, he pulled it off? Yeah. So, like, I...

So, like, what was it? So, so this is sheer ignorance asking this question. Was this on panel? Like, did they show Xavier up in space, like, kicking ass, like, space Rambo? And then, like, would cut back to Earth and his team be like, well, he's dead, so I guess we'll just go our separate ways.

Yeah, they're just playing cards. I thought he was Like he faked his death To lull the alien invaders Into a false sense of security Into thinking, oh no That powerful telepath isn't here anymore So now's our time to strike

And then he recruits Like Havoc and Lorna Dane And then Somehow Like The surprise is enough to beat the aliens back but why you couldn't have just

recruit them in the first place without faking his death because I'm asking why the fuck's it hold up this guy's costume has like weird rings on it and is that girl's hair green and then they lost yeah

basically I'm assuming that's how it goes was the problem just that these aliens knew the X-Men and knew how to counteract them so like Xavier's like I got to go recruit these two fucking weirdos and bring him up to space

while everybody thinks I'm dead and otherwise this plan won't work. I get a lot of questions. I know, and I have zero answers. It's been a long time since I've read these comments. I think it's very funny that this is the one bit we're like, no, no, let's get our fact to trade him with this.

All the dead fetus jokes aside, hold up. We figured that out ages ago. We figured that'd be it's no problem, right? Understandable. But him going to space and faking his death, This just doesn't make any sense, does it? No. All right, so he's back on Earth.

He's got havoc and Polaris with him. Then the X-Men series gets cancelled for... A while on these years. Yeah, basically, they turn it into, like, a reprint of, like, earlier adventures and stuff, and it's not until, like, a few years later where they bring them back, and have the giant-sized X-Men where we get introduced to the

mutant island of Crocoa, which has captured his X-Men team, so Charles creates another team to go and rescue them. But wait, we find out many years later in another storyline, that it wasn't originally the team we're all familiar with,

with like Banchi and Colossus and Nightcrawler and Storm, Sunfire, Thunderbird and Wolverine, no, no, no, there was another team first with characters like Vulcan and Petra and Darwin and Sway, who was sent to Krakawa to rescue the original X-Men, only for them to get seemingly killed by Krakawa, which again shows, like, Xavier is a bit of a sketchy dude,

where he's like, oh, well, I'll sacrifice these mutants to try and get my mutants back. And when that didn't work, he's going to go and sacrifice some more mutants to try and get his mutants back. We just keep throwing mutants at the... I don't care much for these. We'll keep throwing mutants at this killer island until it stops. Yeah.

Exactly. Take those four. I don't want them. But I want Cyclops back. Okay. I'll sacrifice one Summer's brother for two Summers' brothers. Yeah. I don't care without one.

I want this one. And with such memorable characters... With such memorable characters as Sway and Petra as well. But that's what I was going to say. Whenever you were reading them off, I'm like, I couldn't only name two of the four. I couldn't have told you who Petra and Sway were. I don't know what they do. I don't know.

Like, where did they go? They just not come back? Did the planet Eetham or whatever? Like, are they done? Who knows? There is such a reference that I want to make that you guys wouldn't get. and it bothers me so much. You can make it and see if any of the fans listen to it.

All right. Well, back in the days of MTV in the 2000s, there was a VJ, who later became a DJ when they stopped hearing music videos and he went to do radio named Sway, and I was going to make a reference to his powers being he could make people do freestyles. And, yep, like you said, not a reference to you guys.

It's out there, it's out there. It's in the zeitgeist. They're not. Yeah. Yeah. So now people will come back. People who loved MTV in the early 2000s are going to come back to this episode. Because we'll put that, chat TV, we'll put that in the... Well, yeah, we'll add sway.

And people go, oh, dude, I remember fucking sway. Yeah, great joke. What was all that feed this shit about? Well, yeah, I mean, with great titles, it says, hot dog madness. You know, we can use chat GPT for sure, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It knows exactly what we're about. Absolutely does.

They don't have a great day with this. Yeah, they're like, oh, the Smart Avengers, they love hot dogs and Katie Perry. The babies, partly. Yeah. We have no argument against that one. We talk about him an awful lot. None of us are a father except for John.

And he's got many kids. And they're all crazy. And my kids are insane as well. Yeah. Yeah. John, you have to start taking after Xavier and start taking care of that problem. Nip it in the bud.

First sign of life. I was going to make a joke, but in a little. I was going to make it that joke, but in a much less tasteful way, than you just did. Kill your fucking kids, John. Not similar to what I was about this. So Charles Xavier threw four mutants into the meat grinder, and when that plan didn't work, he came out with an international group of mutants to throw into the meat grinder to see if that one would stick.

And sure enough, seems like it did. And it worked. yeah that's the thing you know if there's one thing you know if there's one thing charles to give you a curse the acid bite then we support mutants it's like mutants from other countries like he gives a fuck right yeah he's like well

Canada Japan not even a real country a native American what that's not even a real country anymore no coincidentally the one who dies

well it's not coincidence no coincidence it's not coincidence Chris Claremont made his anyway. That's a America for you.

Regular trailer tier. So... So you can't give your choke on the bare hands. Basically, what happens next is yeah, they rescue

the original X-Men and then the majority of the original X-Men decide, well, we're going now anyway, so see you later. And they leave. And as Dylan mentioned,

Underbird soon dies. Sunfire soon quits the team because he wants to go back to Japan so it's like all change basically Sunfire had the sense to look around and go like what the fuck is this yeah I'm not going to school

I graduated already I'm not going to high school did that weird wheelchair guy like start coming on to you guys because he came up to me and you got a word that's really revealing I don't think that's cool with cattyers.

It's weird. Yeah, he was like, you gotta get right up in the wheelchair, and like... At the time to Thunderbird, Thunderbird told him no in a very stern manner, and then he had to go. That's why Sunfire was just like, I'll just leave, I'll fake my dad. He told Xavier, like,

oh, no, I'm going up to fight some aliens. Oh, do you need me to come with? No, no, no, it's very specific. They only want to fight Japanese mutants named Sunfire. It's very specific to kind of people. They would know right away that you're not Japanese. Or sunfire, because that's me. Two sunfires?

One of them is a bald white man. He's not on fire. He's not on fire. Self-emulation, that's his power. Xavier can do that trick, but he can only do it once. What was it, Exploddy Boy? Exploty Boy, yeah, Exploity Boy. He could explode once.

He used his powers just once It's all you need, man What you need, man. So anyway, we have our all-new X-Men of Colossus, a nightcrawler, and Storm, and Wolverine, and Cyclops stuck around

because he didn't have fuck all to do. And Gene Gray's sort of stuck around as well, even though she wasn't an active member of the team for a little while, but that was until she got imbued by the Phoenix force and became all-powerful.

And then soon after Xavier starts getting all these visions of Lelandra, the princess of the Shia race, who needs the X-Men's help to stop her evil mad brother DeKen from using the M-Cron crystal to destroy the universe. Couldn't he just have been like,

listen man, you don't need those X-Men? I can do it. I've got space experience. I'll fake my death again. I'll fly up to space. I've already killed one group of people. I got this. Just take me.

What do you need to fucking Wolverine? Nah, you don't need that guy. I'll do it. Look, I'm bald. Pretty cool, right? You know? Every time about my sister? Don't worry about it.

Sorry. Also bald. Don't you... Like, isn't it weird... Correct. That was weird. But, like, isn't it the first time he went to space? He's like,

only I can do this. And the second time, he's like, yeah, take him. You know, I'm not going up and doing that shit myself. You know, you got to make up your mind. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, he basically, so we get the beginning of the Phoenix saga, essentially. Yes. Yeah, basically. And, like, the first seeds of Charles and Elandra falling in love with each other as well. But then,

you know, after beating DeKan and coming back to Earth, the X-Men seemingly die in the savage land. And now the tables have turned on Charles, because I mean, they're not faking their deaths, but

he thinks they're dead, even though they're still alive, which is basically the same thing. And, yeah, so Xavier closes his school up and decides he's going to go join Lelandra in space

but then the X-Men kind of come back to life or you know find their way out of the Savage Land yeah and so Charles comes back right as Gene is being corrupted by the Phoenix Force

well and you know the manipulations of the Hellfire Club as well but yeah that sort of puts Charles at odds with Lanandra and the Shiara because they

sort of demand that she needs to be executed for her crimes after the Dark Phoenix explode to space and destroyed a planet with like millions of people on it and then Charles kind of

convinces them to basically fight for Jean's survival and they have that little clash on the moon between the X-Men and the Imperial God, where Gene sacrifices herself at the end of the day

to kind of save her teammates. A noble. Yeah, a noble sacrifice. I think it's funny that like that time whenever he thought the X-Men were dead, like that time he's like, I'm not going to build a fourth X-Men team. He's like, fuck this.

I'm not going to do it again I'm going to keep running out of the countries to go too Maybe four was a sign We're like Maybe he shouldn't be doing this man You know Maybe I should just fuck off the space

Now mind you He closed up the school The Xavier Institute is a massive Fucking building And if you look at the respective ages For the X-Men Was it just Colossus and Kitty Pride The only students there

Because like Wolverine Ain't a fucking kid and Storm isn't either and I don't really know Nightcrawler's deal but I also feel like he was of a certain age where a school would not be somewhere he would be because like it's the school for gifted youngsters

which is the implication they're children so was there no one else at the school except for just those two it's funny you bring this up because basically I think the writers were asking these same questions as well which is why they brought in the new mutants and basically had a bunch of kid mutants again

that, you know, Charles could kind of take an active hand in teaching and trying to help them with their powers and whatnot. Because it sounds like it's like a front for money laundering at that point if there's no actual students or teachers at the Xavier Institute for Gifted Youngsters. Yeah.

It's hard of the worst thing he's ever done. True. Was that whole killing a fetus thing? It was a little white collar crime on top of that. Yeah, nobody gets hurt with that, no. But, yeah, shortly after starting the new mutants, he gets infected with a brood queen, where his entire body was basically getting taken over by this queen,

which burst out and core his body to threads. Which is an important lesson. Always wear protection. Absolutely. Safe sex. Yep. Our podcast is known for Anaphen. Safe sex. It's that.

Yeah, strangely enough, we don't have an abstinence-only attitude. No. Just make sure you don't have twins. No, because one of them will see to it. One of them is going to fuck the other one up. Don't call one of them Kane if you do have twins. Oh yeah, dude, come on. There's a lot of rules.

Maybe don't have kids. There's a lot of rules. Maybe don't have twins. Maybe not to get that name for a kid, you know. Anyway, Charles, his mind was still active in the brood queen, and they managed to transfer it into a cloned body with working legs. thanks to like the CR or something I don't know

there's some explanation for it either way they did just turn him to a baby in a long time I mean they should have done they did it with Magneto why not do it with they could have been in the same

somebody would have killed him preschool yeah exactly missed opportunity maybe somebody would have tried to kill him mm-hmm I guess that's true maybe Juggerna would have

established history you're 100% man you can't keep baby Xavier in your baby juggernaut no it's a bad bad bad move baby Xavier has those intense eyebrows baby juggernaut that has no eyebrows

he can't see where the helmet hi everyone sorry for the abrupt ending to this episode as it turns out there's a lot to talk about with Charles Xavier so after recording we kind of made the decision it would be better if we cut it into two parts instead of trying to cram a lot of history and do one video and losing a lot of the

strange and odd things that make Charles Xavier tick. So I'm going to go ahead and wrap it up here. Tune in for part two of our deep dive into Charles Xavier where we will talk about, you know, pretty much how the 90s treated him. We'll talk about the uncanny Avengers storyline and onslaught. lot and all sorts of other fun stuff. Until then, feel free to check us on YouTube. If you are listening to this on Spotify, if you are listening to us on Spotify, check us out on YouTube. I think I just said that twice.

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Large Old Cup. And we will see you all next week as we do another deep dive. Well, continue the deep dive on Professor Charles Xavier. Until then, goodbye.