The Smark Avengers - Vol 4 Ep 17: The Fall of Professor X: Onslaught, Death & Brain Theft?! (Part Two)

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

🧠 The Fall of Professor X: Onslaught, Death & Brain Theft?! (Part Two) The Smark Avengers dive into the darkest era of Professor Charles Xavier in Part 2 of our deep-dive into the X-Men’s most complicated founder! We cover the rise of Onslaught, Xavier’s controversial actions, his shocking death at the hands of Cyclops, the INSANE moment when the Red Skull stole his brain, a new start in Krakoa that ends due to the same bad old habits, and then back to space again! Whether you're a hardcore Marvel Comics fan or an MCU follower, this is the Professor X storyline you need to hear to believe. ⚠️ Topics Covered: Who is Onslaught and why is he part Xavier? Why did Cyclops kill Professor X? How did Red Skull steal Xavier’s brain?! The legacy and failures of Charles Xavier post-1980s And why Xavier may be one of Marvel's biggest manipulators... 👇 Sound off in the comments: Is Xavier a hero… or the villain of his own story? 🔔 Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and hit the BELL ICON for weekly deep dives into your favorite comic book characters, Marvel & DC news, and chaotic debates! Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk 📢 #ProfessorX #MarvelComics #Onslaught #RedSkull #XMen #Cyclops #CharlesXavier #MCU #SmarkAvengersPodcast

Hello everyone and welcome to Smart Avengers. My name is Corey and with me is no one. So if you miss last week, it was the first part of a two-part series talking about Professor Charles Xavier continuing on our X-Men Deep Dive video series. We thought we could do it all in one, but instead there's just way too much stuff to talk about with Xavier. There's a lot of storylines, a lot of weird stuff. So we decided to break up that recording into two separate ones, thus necessitate. I'm facilitating me to record this intro. So if you would like to hear the first part where we talk about Xavier's origins, including killing Cassandra Nova in the womb and meeting Magneto and Moira McTaggart and Legion's mom

and fucking off to space a couple of different times and pretending he was dead, then by all means check out last week's episode, episode 16 first. But if you've already done that and you're ready to go forward, with the sorted live and events of A. Charles Xavier, by all means, please stay tuned. So... So... He has a new body. At this point that he's got his legs back.

Dan soon gets captured by William Striker and the Purifiers who almost manipulate him into killing on mutants. But Magneto... Before he had... before he had, when he's in the wheelchair, never gets captured. Soon as he gets legs, he's like, cocky bastard. Like, I don't give a shit, I'll go anywhere. No one's going to capture me.

Like, as soon as he gets fucking legs, does the celebrity stop working? Like, did he not see the threat going? Lazy bastard, man. It's honest way of McDonald's just got grabbed. A little bit mixed up, though. I think he was still in the wheelchair when the purifiers kind of captured him.

but he got his his legs back soon after anyway like part of the the reason I bring that up was because Magneto helps the X-Men kind of save the day and that starts the process

of Charles and Magneto starting to like reconcile their differences and kind of grow close again for the first time in many years and so when Magneto is soon put on trial for his crimes

like Xavier is like standing up for him but then he seemingly suffer some fatal injuries at the hands of Fenris and you know he's basically on death door until the Shia come around and say hey we can fix you but you have to come to space with us and leave everything else behind. So that's what Charles does,

but not without. That's what he does better than anybody else. Oh, yeah, he's always hopping into space. There's a third time he's just fucked up the space tonight. Just live in space, dude. Nobody wants to hear. Master of the Irish goodbye, just peace. Get out of here, man.

But before he goes, he decides to leave the X-Men in the hands of Magneto. trusting his old friend to, like, change his ways and, you know, yeah, you know, that... We follow Charles's dream rather than Magneto's dream, so... No, it always bothered me... Yeah, it always bothered me to a degree, because I understand, like, giving someone an opportunity to change their ways

would be, like, allowing somebody to join the team as a member, not putting someone in charge of the whole ass school of, like, hey, yeah, it's not like you've attempted to kill people, dozen times or anything, you'd be responsible for these young adults. But, like, you know, there have been tons of stories

where, like, especially in the Kirk Cohen era, where, like, supervillains are notorious, like, mutants are notoriously supervillains were put on team books, like, pyro on the marauders, where it was like, oh, here's an opportunity for you to do good. Like, just seems like an odd choice to be like, hey, this guy who has

led mutant terrorist to try to take over missile bases and shit, let's put the youth of tomorrow, you know, the youth of today, and do your hands and see what happens. Opportunity for you to do good. It seems really out of nowhere. Listen, man, I have this whole team of people

with loads of leaders on the team that have been looking after the world and they work really well together. They know how they all work. One of those guys could be the leader. But you, the guy we've been fighting against for 30 years, you're probably good enough. Yeah, I believe that you will change your ways,

but I'm not going to stick around long enough to see if you do change your ways. I'm not going to follow up on this. I'm not going to follow up on this. I trust you, though. Email me. Yeah. I think it's about Charles's manipulation as well.

Like, he's basically, you know, guilt-tripping Magneto into trying to be a better person rather than, like, actually, you know, finding common ground and winning him over to his argument. It's more like, hey, I'm dying, so you take over the team now and do what I can't do. I really like that too It's like, dude, it's your responsibility because I don't want it Yeah, I want to go back to space I want to have stacks with space lady

You understand, right? She's part of her Have you not seen the movie Splice? Yeah It's super hot and she's in space So, like, you know, you would do the same Let's face it as well, Magneto's a player So he's probably like, oh, fair enough

Magneto's like, dude, you want to see the moment I banged Oh my God He just gives them props Hey man I would too Oh space lady Nice work dude Oh I'd love the fucking space lady And Magneto's like she's mine

Don't go anywhere near my space lady Do you have a sister? It's complicated Actually do we get along pretty well She did have a sister Until I got there He just hate sisters Doesn't that be his

That's why deathburn hates them so much Motherfucker tries to kill me Every time I'll turn around every time you can see him give him the side eye like I could have killed you

you ever notice there's not a summer sister out there Xavier got to her first yeah so yeah Charles is off

in space having lots of SpaceX with bird ladies and while he's away you know a shit

and stuff happens like the mutant massacre Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Colossus, or leave the team. His original students come together as X Factor and their original kind of role together or at least like what the public were sort of presented as. They were mutants hunters rather than heroes. So like all this shit's going on

and then Magneto's starting to fall apart as well. basically abandoning the new mutants. Xavier's just sitting there, comes back, and he sees all this shit that happened while Megita was in charge. You know what? I have made better decisions in my time. I have to say this. We'll chalk this one up to you.

Not a good one. Yeah, this one's on me, man. I should have seen this comment. My bad. This is a big mistake of my part. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And easily, it could have been avoided.

all of this could have finally just stayed here. Or are you going to just say, hey, Cyclops, why don't you take over? Storm wants to be field leader. You've done it enough. Why don't you try to be a teacher? Cycle's like, I'm terrible with kids.

Zerbys like, you think you're terrible with kids. The X-Men are nothing but his collection of bad parents. Oh, boy, oh boy. All right, so Xavier comes back and everything sucks, essentially. Like, damn. Could have gone better. So he decides to take charge again, basically. I think he is at this point.

We get like the golden blue teams where he brings them all together. He kind of does battle with the Shadow King again. This is the 90s, right? Yeah, we're sort of early 90s now where I think this is his first kind of clash with Legion. as well. Where he gets... Should we explain who Legion is? Well,

the Legion is the son that he abandoned you know, after his dalliance with Gabriel O'Halla way, way back in the day. He abandoned his stepbrother. He tried to kill

his... Well, he did try to kill his... sister, uh, no, there's a lot of, family issues. Well,

that was sketchy behavior all around. Like, he's just, he's just a terrible person, isn't he? Yeah. Why would you trust that guy? You know?

It's a good question. Even, uh, he loses his, uh, the use of his legs again after clashing with Legion. Sot of a bitch.

And then gets, then he gets, infected by the techno-organic virus as well by Strife. Again, there you go. Strive takes no prisoners, man. So he gets cured by Apocalypse for some reason. I don't know why.

I'd have to look that up. But then Blue lips. I don't believe he did. That was actually a very sincere question, because it seems like anytime somebody gets healed or touched or influenced by Apocalypse, they get big blue lips.

I doubt it, because I think if Xavier got blue lips, then he'd look too much like Apokovic, with his bald head and everything. There's massive muscles. Yeah. I'm going to start an episode of the podcast not wearing a hat with blue lipstick on just to see if I look like Apocalypse now.

You probably would, to be fair. Yeah. Do you have blue lipstick? I don't, but surprisingly, it's pretty easy to come by. Okay. John, do you blue lipstick? I do not. Dylan, do you? Okay. I have any lipstick.

What kind of podcast are we running here if none of us have blue lipstick at a given moment? What are we going to do? Yeah, it's blue lipstick? I don't think so. In this economy? Yeah, this economy? The tariffs? Yeah, because blue lipstick is imported from Brazil. I was going to say Bolivia. It had to be a beating country.

I just couldn't think of a different country. So Brazil had to do. Bolivia also works. Tanzania. Put that in. Yeah. There you go. That is.

All right, John, now that we're talking about wearing makeup. So this comes to the part we covered in the Magneto episode where he's kind of got pissed off and angry and gone a bit psycho. And he's threatening. Well, I say all that, but he was like, at first he just wanted to, you know, take all the mutants up to Asteroid M. and, you know, give them a place to live free from human persecution, but then humanity puts, like, a big electromagnetic field around the earth

to try and stop them from coming back, which pisses magneto off, so he destroys all the magnets, or magnets, no, he destroys all the, whatever the fuck it is, that's causing the shield to, you know, block them coming in and out, as they please.

That's justifying, right? like all the meetings go up to astroaam and then the entire earth goes we don't want you back and then puts up a jam border around the entire earth i'd be like yeah fuck you dude what you hate us that much like yeah i was gonna say also like this is the first of many failed attempts for mutants to have a place to go that's fear from persecution between this utopia genotia and crocoa doesn't go i think didn't work. I think it didn't work because Magneto was the one that said

why don't all the mutants go to space? I think Xavier is like, space is my thing. I think it also had to do with the fact that all of them had to wear matching outfits and were referred to as accolates. That also seems to give cult vibes. Well, don't you think that all the

X-Men had to wear matching outfits? But they weren't called accolates. No, they were called X-Men. They were literally named after X-A-S-E. That's true. They were possessed. They were owned.

So hold on. So we have also, does that also make Xavier's factor and Xavier's force? Is he getting a lot of credit for these names? What else does the X down for? The whole point of the X-Men was that they were like Xavier's men. And Teen Gray was like, dude, that's offensive. That's not cool, you know. Well, in the UK are feeling spot-back.

Scaliber doesn't sound so bad now, does it? We're not owned by anybody. We're named after a sword. X-Calibur. Ex-Colibur. Ex-Calibur. Damn it. It's everywhere, doesn't he?

Ah, motherfucker. He's got his fingerprints on everything. He certainly does. But you can see, like, you know, I think the tapestry We're weaving here It's like throughout the history of Charles Xavier

A lot of this seems to be like Self-affected Like you know Magnino got really angry But like it's justified I feel like A lot of that was justified And I feel like

Xavier is the one This like stirring shit up Now I Obviously those are like You know Certain circumstances Magneto did a lot of bad shit himself For sure

But I think in this case Like he's kind Like that kind of makes sense And I feel like just leave him alone right here's the thing if magnino

just wants to fuck off to a big spears station in space let him be there it's great he's up there right isn't he like

at the time like one of the biggest threats to the X-Men and he just wants to be that blown up in space fucking leave him alone up in space what's the problem it's not poker

matter of trust than anything else yeah they don't trust him to just be content with being up there because he's had these kind of notions

of sort of old domination and guys remember I got turned into a baby I'm totally cool now yeah well I'm just saying I'm putting the big shield up around earth to stop him coming back is a bit like

it's a big fuck you he's not going to take that well yeah it really is plus also like you established Sean he's a master magnetism he can break all that shit no problem yeah it's the equivalent of like it's the equivalent of like

you're living with your girlfriend and you leave the house one day to go buy groceries and you come back and she's changed the locks on the door and that's how you found out she broke up with you. But you're a locksmith. Yeah, exactly. What the fuck are you hoping to get from?

Yeah, I can get back into the house, man. But now I'm pissed off that you lucked me at my own house. Fuck! You know? Yeah, and well, like, after this all happens and everything and Magneto destroys the electromagnetic shield.

That's when Charles is like, oh shit, we better go, like, you know, deal with him before he smashes up something else or takes it to another extreme. But he's sort of escalating things himself there by going up to, like, confront Magneto on asteroid M.

Leave him alone! All of this. This is like pushing Magneto's buttons when he's already, like, having a bit of a psychotic break anyway, and getting, you know, pissed off from all the actions of, you know, the humans and now his supposed friend. And so, yeah, then Magneto rips out the adamantium in Wolverine's body, and Charles retaliates by shutting down his brain, basically, which we kind of covered on the Magneto episode with the, like, the dark sides of both.

of their psyches kind of merging become the psionic being known as onslaught who would become a problem in itself a little later on yeah so basically

yeah again it's Charles just kind of doing what he thinks is right when it's not really necessarily kind of the right thing to do but is arrogance coming to the fore again. Yeah, there's a big history of Xavier

making his own mess, right? I think that I'm being like kind of untrustworthy in a way, like just balls and stuff up for no reason. And I think another really good case of that is a bite to come up during the onslaught saga because I don't know if you wrote this

in your notes, John. but during the Onslaught saga, a lot of the X-Men Discover, I would love to do an episode about OnSlaught by the way, I fucking love that comic But... Well, but to say, we've not done like a big storyline breakdown like we've done in the past

So that could be a good one Yeah, I would love to do that, man But during the Onslaught saga, the X-Men discover Charles Xavier has been taking notes on all of the X-Men, all of the mutants including all of his X-Men. I believe he called them the Exhibia files,

which is just a way to like analyze the weaknesses. So, for example, if Wolverine ever went rogue, how do you deal with him? If Cyclops ever turned on the team, this is how you stop him. And the X-Men were like, dude, what the fuck? You know, that's funny, that's a storyline for Justice League as well

when the rest of the Justice League finds out Batman's contingency files, where it's like, yeah, Batman has a thorough breakdown about how to take each of us down if something were to happen to us. That's a little fucked. Yeah. I can see that with Batman, right?

Oh, yeah. It makes sense for a logical man like that. Yeah, paranoid. And given what we've already talked about with Charles Xavier, lines up, you know, everything falls into place. He's that kind of a skunk back. He's like, this problem that I made myself,

I was the one that established this group of people. I brought them to the forefront. I made them go and fight and shit. on my behalf, deemed after me. They were all children. They were all children, most importantly. It's my responsibility to be able to kill them, should they ever do something that I deem,

irresponsible. So they were understandably, and the hook of it is it happened during the Onslaught saga saga where everybody was very confused about the role that Charles Xavier played within Onslaught at the time. So now they're like, if Exhibier is inside Onslaught,

we're going to have some words. We're going to have some unpleasant conversations. Secret notes about us that we don't care much for, you know, but this adds more to his like, his untrustworthiness.

And what's funny about it is, in the story, they were kind of only really establishing it in the 90s. So, like, maybe Charles Xavier has, like, shades of gray, to a worst. We've established this shit's been going on since the very beginning of the

X-Men. I don't think they intended to do it. Yeah, I think really much it's just like what Shades of Grey were back in the 1960s and the 70s and 80s were very, very different definitions of Shades of Gray present day and then the 90s and 2000s. Whereas just like, oh, you know

every teacher, every teacher at some point in another looks at a 16-year-old girl and goes, you know what? I know I secretly love her, but I could never say anything to her. Like, no, that should be a sign. should quit your job if that's a thought you can't control yourself from having. Even though she can read my mind and she would easily be able to know that I've thought this. Now, at the time, though, Gene hadn't developed her telepathy.

She was just telekinetic. So maybe that's why he stopped having those thoughts. He was like, oh, now she's get dull. One would imagine so. One would imagine so. Yeah. Although they, I think they do talk about that in-on-stought as well. Oh, yeah, I imagine.

Really? Yeah, I think that Onslaught tries, he tries to talk to Gene Gregg. We should say this for the Onslaught. Yeah, okay, okay. The Onslaught episode coming soon. Yeah, remind me about that specific plot point

because it does come up. Right at Time, don't forget. I'm sure we won't forget. We're totally forgetting. Even though it's on video. This is recorded. It will be posted. You can watch it anytime.

want. We have an audio format in case you don't want to watch it. So after onslaught, there was a lot of mistrust. Yeah, I mean, not just with the X-Men, but with the government as well

because they, you know, they didn't want him accidentally forming like another creature like on slot as well so he was briefly arrested and like kind of kept in prison I guess by Bastien but then eventually when Bastien kind of turned bad and that hit went down and the X-Men kind of defeated him Charles was freed from prison but around this sort of time Moira was sort of researching the legacy

virus which was kind of killing off mutants and at the time it was a bit weird where she somehow managed to catch the virus and was seemingly killed by it even though she wasn't a mutant or so we thought but I don't even know I'm saying that

because apparently it was like some sort of Geyer Gollum that died in her place anyway so like the whole thing is an absolute fucking mess I don't know how to I mean people have there's been lots of different writers but I don't think they've

they've all kind of lined up their stories either way Xavier managed to get like the you know the crucial information about the legacy virus from Moira before she died, passed it onto Beast, and then they created the cure. Yeah, what she's dead, yeah. Yeah.

I guess soon after this, Genosha is destroyed and Magneto seemingly killed as well, with the mastermind behind the attack revealed to be Dada Dhanra Nova, his... his dead fetus sister who's no longer a fetus anymore and no longer dead right, right? Correct. Yeah so that whole thing was the trip.

Yeah, love you Grant. Yeah, love you Grant. The, yeah, yeah, I loved it. Lots of... I could see why other people would not love it. You know? So Cassandra Nova comes back to get revenge on her brother, which again, justified.

Incredibly. Yeah, robbed of a potential life. Maybe killing 60 million people. Maybe killing 16 million people a bit much. A bit much. Well,

as if that wasn't enough, then she goes to attack the Chiar as well. And that kind of wrecks Charles' relationship with La Landra and he annuls their marriage. But I guess

and see what sorry you switch this place with Xavier I guess she did that to wreck the Shiar Empire oh yeah she puts her mind into Xavier's body while her body is dying

and Xavier's mind is in it so that's pretty cool thank you you know and that's how she wrecks the Shiar Empire because she goes to space pretending to be Xavier so he doesn't count that as a real space trip because he didn't really go there that time.

No, it's just his body. Yeah. But, you know, on the plus side, whilst all this shit is going on, he does sort of patch things up with Kane, and they kind of finally hashed out their childhood trauma together, and, you know, they're not as antagonistic towards one another anymore. So, you know, there's a silver lining right there.

I like at that point, Kim Marco was like, you know what? After all these years, you're just as much of a jerk as I am. Game recognizes game. What can you say? What can you say? But then, Zorn reveals that he's Magneto. No, I'll say that with quotation marks around Magneto. Yeah, I've been saying that.

So he attacks the school, kills Dean, threatens to destroy New York. We've covered all this. Everyone knows what's going on. Yeah, I mean, what it comes down to is it just sounds like... I mean, what just sounds like is that Magneto is a bit of a twat. I mean, it wasn't a Magneto, so... It was, though. I really was.

It was, though. So anyway... Charles knows it wasn't Magneto. So that's why he decides to head to Jim. OSHA and then find the real deal and they set aside their differences to try and rebuild the fallen island nation

but you know another example of Charles being a shady individual it turns out the danger room where the X-Men obviously spent a lot of time training very famous for the X-Men

for a while oh yeah 100% and it turns out it was a sentient, like, being, basically. Oops. Because of all the, like, advanced VR technology that went into building it.

But Charles knew this. Knew that it had its own sort of mind and stuff that decided that for the, you know, the betterment of the team and, like, being able to hone their skills and make sure they were, you know, excellent superheroes.

He would keep, that sentient being trapped in the form of a room. And so, yeah, danger was born eventually when the mansion, I believe, was destroyed, or something happened to finally free her from captivity. There's just something really funny about this idea that Xavier is encountered with this sentient being, this mechanical being, and been like, I'm aware that you're capable of free thought and all, but actually what I think you'll be better doing is being a kick-ass room for my friends to go play in.

Yeah. Wow, this is the craziest thing I've ever seen. This could change humanity for the better if you list correctly. What? What if? Instead of that, we just make you trapped inside the basement of my big hoists. Where I get to hang out with kids.

And the didger room is like, you're right. Fuck. Need this to say, this kind of ruins his relationship with the X-Men even more after, you know, the whole Xavier files shenanigans. It's just keep on coming. Exactly. I mean, at some point they had to kind of face up to the fact that Xavier was a bit of a dick.

Well, I mean, Kitty Pride saw it first, though. Yeah, absolutely. Professor Xavier is a joke. Yep, she called it. Around this time, though, we get House of M, where obviously Wanda uses their powers and says, No more mutants, and Charles loses his powers. Yeah, and so even though he's powerless, he's kind of confronted with his past, when Vulcan returns, pissed off that Xavier

sacrificed him and his friends. So, yeah, he, like, kind of heads off into space to try and stop Vulcan from taking over the Shia Empire. Going up in space again. Back in space. Any excuse, any excuse.

Oh, I'm going to go after Vulcan. And they're like, what the fuck does that mean? Like, I'll see you later, bye. Leonard Nimoy? No, his face. I hate you. Don't worry about that, Blue Space. Yeah, that fucks up his relationship

with the X-Men even more as well when they find out about him sacrificing other mutants. They weren't happy with that. But, you know, this space journey actually results in him getting his powers back because they go to the

M-Cron crystal and Professor X gets like thrown into it and then somehow it gives him his telepity back and yeah don't think about it

we'll have it yeah to take a brief aside that is one of my favorite things in comics is when they have like these new like nothing's ever going to be the same again moments and they're like we're going to only 198 munes are going to keep their powers and not

and they're not just the ones that you know and love. Some of them are going to lose their powers too. Then they're like, well, but we need Magneto have his powers back. And we'd really like it if Quicksilver had his back too. I mean, Xavier goes without saying he has to have his powers back. So they were just like in a writer's room going,

what bullshit reason can we come up with that can explain how he can get his powers back that does not involve the Scarlet Witch in any way? But this is exactly like the Zoran situation, right? Where they're like, we gotta shake things up and then they do, and they're like,

no, not that much. That's a little arch. A little harsh. See what do you want? Do you want? Do you want to shake it up or not? They can't just shake it up a little bit. Why kill somebody else?

Magneto? No, we like him. Put it on the side. Charges Xavier. He's really important. I'm like, but he's a jerk. I'm like, what do you mean he's a jerk? It's all he has decades of being a jerk

history behind him. You know? So we've covered very succinctly so far. Indeed. With minimal interruptions. Yes. I mean, we're only three hours in at this point, so I think we're doing pretty well.

We're like an hour and a half in. Yeah, we're on three hours in. I think we're getting close to the answer as well. Yeah, I was about to say, this could be a two-parter. It could be a really long one. depending on what happens. Yeah.

But anyway... Well, we're getting near the end now. Yeah. Well, the good times came on the home stretch. Well, not with Charles Xavier. Nope. He's got to go to space. So, he's got his powers back.

He returns to Earth, but his students want nothing to do with him because of all the aforementioned... Why? I'll never know. A little fucking crabby as. kids. After everything I've done for you. I named my team after myself for you. Yeah, I built a house and destroyed the house.

What do you think? I captured a robot and made her work for free down in the basement to make you a cool room that can almost kill you. I thought it would be a really cool idea to make your most hated enemy to be the leader while I fucked up the space. and this is a thanks I got yeah I took your brother who you forgot existed

put him on a suicide mission to save you and then realized that was a mistake and just conveniently made everybody forget that happened just left him there and pretend that didn't happen and then you found out about it and then that's my problem it's my fault

me I didn't I wasn't the one that told you what a great person charles is. Great guy. Great guy. So, yeah, he comes back to Earth

right around the time that the first mutant baby is born since M-Day. And, you know, everyone's kind of going crazy trying to get their hands on the baby, the X-Men trying to protect it. Xavier in particular.

I think, like Mr. Sinistern. Well, yeah. Yeah, bring the baby to me. The one guy you want to look after a baby. no I will trust her with Cable I feel like Cable's got a more nurturing touch than you Cable doesn't know how to deal kids As Cable is trying to

capture the baby I say capture That's probably the wrong word You know You can probably pretty easily capture a baby I imagine Big Nat Carport boxes straight a stick Bishop has kind of gone nuts

because he in his future the baby is supposedly you know like a a doom bringer I guess like so he's like trying to kill the baby Xavier is probably like

yeah I'm all for this but instead the The irony is cable moves out the way and Bishop accidentally shoots Xavier instead. You know, what's it really, I only just figured this side, not figured it out, but I just remembered it now while you were talking about Bishop and Xavier and how Bishop's future, you know, he came from a different future where like the baby ends up being a big part of it. But another big part of Bishop,

the reason Bishop came back to the future, back to the present to begin with, is because there was a traitor in the X-Men that caused his future, and he wanted to find out who the traitor was so he could stop it and stop his future from happening. Do you guys remember who the traitor ended up being? Well, I remember in the cartoon,

but I don't remember in the comics. I imagine it would be different. Who was it in the comics, in the cartoon? And the cartoon was Gambes. a Gambit? Yeah. Okay. In the comics, they were teasing that was Gambit. But it turned out to be

Charles Xavier. Because it was the onslaught thing. In the future, it didn't get enough information, and they only had like a little video package that explained that somebody from the X-Men has turned on them.

And it happened to be Charles Xavier who in the aftermath turned in to onslaught and therefore that was the catalyst for what happened in the future so bishop and Xavier it's so funny that we're talking about Xavier being a jerk and then like the whole point of Bishop coming back to the present is to find the bad person

in the X-Men and it is Xavier I'm like, it's just all coming together really well and then he shoots Xavier that about it but I'm like you did what you were supposed to do really yeah yeah he was just a little late in the game to do that. If he'd been a couple of years earlier. No, before onslaught, not after onslaught, before. Yeah, I'll just kill this baby instead. Xavier's like, yes, kill the baby.

You know? He'll hold his bullet wound, I was just like, yeah, kill it, baby. Try it, shoot again. He'll get him to kill the baby. He didn't he? But anyway, I just thought that was interesting. So, at this point, while Cable and Bishop are doing their whole dalliance with trying to capture the child

that we say Xavier has been shot and is practically dead on the verge of death on the verge of death but he gets saved by Exodus

who's taken over the Ackleids at this point I'm I guess like the X-Men wanted nothing to do with Xavier and didn't really care if he died. They're like, great. Meet him again. One more time.

I think he's still twitching. But while Exodus manages to save Xavier, he's kind of lost a lot of his memories. So Magneto tries to help him kind of, you know,

piece it all back together again, and they go like traveling around and investigating Charles's past. which is where he kind of encounters Mr. Sinister. Well, not quite Mr. Sinister, because Mr. Sinister had got healed seemingly in the, like, to do with the, you know, mutant birth. Yeah.

He was dead at this point, but he'd set up protocols to kind of bring himself back to life. And this was part of the experiment that he'd done on Charles as a child, as well as a bunch of other people all around the world, where, like, one of them would turn into the new Mr. Sinister, apparently. Which all seems kind of redundant now that it's been established for the last, like, 15 years that he's, like, got a million clones of himself.

Yeah, I was going to ask, is this the Miss Sinister period of time? where there's that era of Marvel where Mr. Sinister and Loki both decided I'll try being a chick for a while let's see how that goes and we had Lady Loki and Miss Sinister for at the same time

which was really strange about it so was this that time period it was indeed yeah like originally Mr. Sinister tries to possess Xavier and seemingly succeeds but then he gets like purged um from charles's body with gambit's help um and ends up yeah basically becoming

mis-sister instead trying to aroused okay uh where are we so um so yeah he has his memories back he's taking out of kind of he's got most of his marriage back now and he's trying to redeem himself in the eyes of the X-Men so he

assist Wolverine in trying to deprogram his amnesiac then DeKenn he tries to help rogue in finally gaining control of her powers he makes peace with danger

as well. But then he kind of gets captured by Norman Osborne when he was in charge of national security. Oh, Dark Rain. Indeed, Dark Rain.

And so the X-Men kind of have to go and rescue him, even though they probably didn't want to. But that opens a door to Charles finally rejoining the X-Men and like not as the leader

but basically offering his services to Cyclops as the leader I offered him. But the trouble is Xavier is still an arrogant twat and they still clashed over like how they should

do things basically um fuck you I'm going to go up to space yeah I mean he didn't have to space comes to him or the Phoenix Force

comes back to Earth anyway and now it decides to possess five mutants Cyclops Emma Frost Colossus magic and Namor

and so like the world's heroes kind of join forces to try and purge the Phoenix Force from all of them but it just like keeps moving into like other people

well like the you know other members of the Phoenix 5 yeah so at the end Cyclops is basically all powerful got all of the Phoenix force within him and he's going a bit

you know doolally as they the kids say um do you say that yes uh and um uh yeah so

Xavier in one of his typical arrogant moments thinks, oh, I know, I'll walk up to Cyclops and appeal to his better senses because I'm his father figure, and that will break the phoenix's bell and save the day. And instead, you know, the Phoenix IV imbued Cyclops

just blast him with his optic blast and he all's like Xavier. Yeah. I think we can all agree. Yeah. I mean, I think of of the mutant, Cyclops is the one that's kind of gotten fucked around with the most in the fact of constantly dragging his family into it that he

has odd relations with to begin with. But that is a really interesting point. Because the X-Men make Cyclops such a... Like, well, at least some of the X-Men make Cyclops such a fucking pariah because of that move. Of, like, listen, he fucked her. He, like, fucked you guys up and over

too all the time. And, like, we can forgive Gene for incinerating a planet with billions of lives on it, but Cyclops kills one fucking dude. He didn't do it, though. How come her character, how come she still feels

guilt about it, though? Like, they constantly have her expressing guilt over it. That's really weird. Isn't it? It's almost like they don't know their own continuity. Weird. I mean, regardless, it just seems like such a weird move for

Wolverine of all people to get like on his fucking soapbox about it. It's like you weren't in control of yourself and you killed someone by mistake? How dare you? Also, I did want to point out how much help did Charles Xavier give Wolverine and deprogramming DACN

when he then drowned him in a puddle? because he was trying to get people back in their good graces like he didn't work that well with Wolverine that it sounds like the drowning in the puddle came after DeKenn had become one of the four horsemen and uh archangel so what we're saying is it still didn't work Reped it again

yeah it didn't win it didn't nick also I think what we should be saying as well is like you said Archangel was a horseman. Wolverine was a horseman. Didn't draw neither of those guys. Gambit was a horseman. Yep. Correct. Yep. Sunspot?

Probably. Cylock? Or was that just the movie? I think it was just the movie. Who else was it? Was it Polaris? Banshee? I think Sylocke might have been actually. Yeah.

Like, Zemir's like, don't worry about it. But Dach is we're going to kill a fucking guy. Wolverine, come here. Watch me. Listen, I'm great at killing kids. Watch this. Here, hold him down in a puddle. This is how you do it.

You should say, like, Xavier didn't have anything to do to Ken's death. Let's put that out there. Sure. Old child murder, Xavier, not the deal with a child getting murdered. Come on, man. I don't believe it.

But no, so anyway, yeah, Xavier is now dead and buried. He died of martyr For some reason At the end of the episode I mean if he's dead He's dead, he's dead right Nothing else we can do

But the end of the episode We had Talking about Xavier But I kind of imagine There's much more right Yeah John how many movies You watch this fight And then the Nazis got involved

Well Nazis always get involved This is the way of the world not that not factually inaccurate so the red skull not even the real red skull it was a clone of the red skull

wasn't the first red skull revealed it actually been Hitler though no that was haymonger no I don't think so haymonger was originally revealed to be Hitler yeah because the red skull went for Hitler there we go got to get my Captain American villain

straight down yeah Red skull and hitmonger, one of them skull is red. The other one has a purple Lucke's plan outfit. One has the mustache. Yeah. The other one is Hitler.

You know, every now and then you just see it. Is that Charlie Chaplin? One of them is Hitler. The other one wants to be Hitler. So anyway, yes, what is our, what's our boy Johann Schmidt up to? Thumb me up is fucking impossible. Oh, wow. Good luck. so the Red Skull's

clone has dug up Xavier's corpse stolen his brain and then had some kind of surgery to attach Xavier's brain to his own which you know obviously gives him

Xavier's powers smushed both of that's together seems logical to me so logical you wonder why nobody has done that up to this point Yeah, nobody... The only one smart enough to do this.

And how come nobody's talked about it ever since? Weird. Weird. Nobody else was like, that's a great idea. It worked. We should follow up on this. Surely this has long-running effects. A man's brain was stolen and put into the head of a Nazi scientist.

I mean, if the whole onslaught thing happened, originally, you would think that this would have long-lasting problems with his, mind, right? Well, you mentioned onslaught. I did. That's where we get to once again when Magneto

confronts the red skull kills him, and then, like, again, it's the trauma of it or whatever is causing the red onslaught to manifest and threaten to, you know,

I guess, destroy the world, because that's what most, you know, happens most of the time. So all the heroes have to kind of come together to try and stop it, and then Scarlet Witch and Dr. Doom cast the inversion spell.

We don't really need to worry about this, even though, like... It's just his brain. Onslaught is... When Onslaught's inverted, he basically, it's the Xavier personality that comes out, so he's you know...

Everything he says is, I gotta go to space. He's not as much of a Nazi. No. Gotta go to space. He's just the baby killer. They're like 50% Nazi. My new onslaught body. That's how many babies I can kill.

Oh, loads, dude. Once? You know what I mean? Sky's the limit. Watch this. You know? This, sidebar. I fucking hated all of this.

Yeah, I can't think of anyone who looks back on this period of time and uncanny Avengers in particular with fond memories. What a fucking mess this was. And also, what I liked about this was they didn't just fucking mess up Onslaught, who I already established, I really liked. But they fucking messed up carnage and... Sabretooth. Hobgoblin.

All these fucking guys are like, what the fuck. Oh, man, what a mess. It was a rough one. What a fucking. I mean, I'll be honest, I kind of liked saber tooth coming out of it, not, you know, like inverted back to his normal self. I mean, it's an interesting idea, but then, like, it just feels weird to do with Sabretooth. We'll do a Sabretooth episode at some point, and I'm sure we can, like, you and I will get into the weeds on that one, because I have really weird feelings about Sabretooth in general. Like, I like him, but I feel like he only works as a mass murderer.

Yes. I mean, that's definitely how he works best. But like you say, we'll touch on this. It will be a Sabretooth episode. Anyway, so, you know, the uncanny adventures win. The Red Skull gets captured. Peace performs brain surgery to remove Xavier's powers, and then all that brain mush is incinerated by the human torch

to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands again. So Xavier's brain is... Got incinerated by the human torch? Yes. Okay. Why not? Yep. I mean, this feels the good trading end to this man.

Was it Jim Hammond or Johnny Storm? I believe it was Johnny Storm. It felt more right with Jim Hammond, just because, you know, invaders, but whatever. Uh, Johnny Storm's pretty sick, so... Either way, he's still not dead this fucker is still

kind of kicking about on the astral plane somehow palpity the jury had the field of voice it's inner it is brain I think it has something to do with the Shadow King kind of collecting Xavier's spirit and

you know because of their long standing rivalry I guess he wanted to kind of either add Xavier's powers to his own or like just fuck around with him just for all time's sake. Either way, the X-Men

get involved, they find out Xavier is technically still alive, I guess. And so they defeat the Shadow King before Phantom X randomly offers up his body for Xavier to use.

So he, yeah, he basically sacrifices his own kind of... Phantom X, just bored to live in. Yeah, yeah, it seems that way. And so Xavier takes over his body and declares he's going to start calling himself X from now on. How long did that last?

He erased his... Well, it didn't last long at all, basically. Even after he erased the memory of his return from the X-Men's minds. What an asshole! He gets his body back The first he doesn't are fucking people's brains again. Can't trust this guy. He like re-christened himself as X and does all this

and then almost immediately we jump into Briccoa. Yeah, that was an easy out there like, we can't follow up on this. Well, there's the thing, right? Charles Xavier died and then somebody stole his brain and then put their brain into a Nazi and then the brain got incinerated but he was still alive

right we're all going to accept that as fact fair enough but then phantom x says hey take my body and xavier's spirit or whatever takes phantom x's body and nobody bothers to go what happened to his brain

yeah or the fact that now Xavier is going to just look like phantom x yes what's he doesn't look like xavier he looks like a fucking pantomax yeah he looks like phantom x he didn't change his body at all it's okay okay

well that's because he's the helmet on so you can't see his face yeah so so Xavier somehow evades death despite having his body decomposed his brain

removed and incinerated but due to just some fuckery involving the soul he manages to live on yeah basically all right so i always

part of the reason that he had the helmet was to cover the fact that he was phantom x but then later on on cacoa you see him with the helmet off he's fucking professor x

what the what happened to his face well because then cuckoa really fucks with things in general and john let me know if i'm getting ahead of my skis on this one but um the whole

the powers of X that basically just rewrites the continuity because now like Xavier and Magneto get told exactly what's going to happen by Moira before any of it really happens so like

do we technically know if any of this shit's continuity anymore I have absolutely no idea God damn it Hickman are you doing two hours or a fucking life yeah exactly it didn't really have it

We're going to cover this in 30 minutes just by talking about powers of X. We did really kill his... Yeah, that happened. Because Cassandra Nova shows up on Krikkoa later. Stop it. No questions us. That's legit. The rest of it.

Jesus Christ. Then we can salvage the show. We can still keep most of the jokes we did. So, John, how in-depth do you want to go into... what happens with Krakawa. Well, I'm still working my way through it all. Yeah.

All I know is sure he, you know, obviously has constricted a large part of, like, the Crocoan society. He's, you know, established the quiet council.

He's supposedly the richest man in the world. and uses all that money to kind of funnel into the ex-corporation, like transport and drugs and stuff to, like, most countries in the world and all this kind of stuff. So, yeah, he's transformed mutant kind of kind and given them a home for the first time on Krakawa. And, yeah, then stuff starts going wrong. yeah it goes wrong all right it certainly takes some turns and again a lot of it has to do with

Xavier being a dick correct like the crux of it a lot of the time is going to end up being Charles Xavier being the problem which I think we've established all the way to get out of his way he's the problem he's the problem so so John Xavier is the real villain of X-Man really so yeah we won't go too much into the Kroa stuff but I can't say a little bit what happens after Ciccawa, if you're cool with that, John? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So after the Ciccawa stuff

ends, the the X-Men are split to the winds again. There's a team in Alaska, there's a team in Chicago, there's a team in Louisiana, and they're all kind of doing their own thing. And then Xavier is...

One of them has a horse. Xavier has been... He is basically being kept a prisoner in the basement of the Xavier Institute. Because the United States government purchased it when the X-Men created Utopia, they took the property. And this government private-eye, well, this privatized prison system basically buys it and turns it into a mutant prison. And so Xavier is being kept in the basement. Inevitably, he gets out and they reveal he has some sort of a tumor that's causing his powers to act up. And what turns into is basically the X-Men having to track down Xavier as he is on the run trying to escape these, you know, the super jail.

And some of them want to save him. Others want to put him back up because they see that like, wow, Xavier is a liability to our continued safety because every time he's around, something horrific happens and it's his fault and it makes the rest of us look bad. So anyway, this is correct. Yes. he ends up getting where he's going he finds the last resurrection egg from Krokoa

it hatches and is revealed to be Lelandra who has been dead for a period of time he and Lelandra have a big egg yoki kiss she does super alien science and removes the brain tumor and Dylan wouldn't you know it

they run off to space together and that is space yep he's fucked off to space once more, leaving the mutants behind to deal with his bullshit. Because, of course, Utopia, or Kakoa was his idea. It went to shit. Now, everybody's

fucked, but Xavier's like, I trust you all to take care of this in my stead. And it's just like, you mean you're leaving it with us to clean up. Thanks. Awesome. Appreciate it. He means, I made a mess, and I'm going to space. See you later. So, Xavier is a part of the

new Hickman story, big space opera that he's putting out. that I'm sure it's going to be great and hopefully will sell well, even though historically space stuff in Marvel doesn't do great. Which is why Xavier keeps going there. Yep, he's like, no one will bother. Nobody will read about the terrible things I do.

It's like, come on. It's dear. It's terrible. So, that was a little bit of a breakdown on Xavier. Of course, we're going to talk about the other portrayals of the character. We cannot go very long at all without mentioning, of course, Patrick Stewart, as the

Xavier role in what five, six movies? He did the three X-Men movies. He showed up in the second Dr. Strange movie. He was in Days of Future Past. He was an old man Logan. That's six.

Was he in any other ones? He was in the Wolverine right at the very end. Oh, that's right. Seven then. And then, of course, he's going to be in the Avengers Doomsday movie. Which, I have to say, I'm happy that the character was also portrayed by James McAvoy

because Patrick Stewart is very old now and I worry about him after watching him on Picard and seeing just how old and fragile he appears to be and I don't want him to die on the set of a movie where he's playing a bald bastard play like Charles Xavier. It seems like a not fun way to go out for an accomplished actor. It's a fair criticism.

But yeah, no, I mean, between Patrick Stewart and James McAvoy, you get different flavors. You get the young, idealistic, but still arrogant Xavier. And then you get the wise and learned Xavier, who, Patrick Stewart, his Charles Xavier never had any negative traits as far as I could tell. It was pretty sweet. Yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, on the last stand, I think it was, he was kind of betrayed as a, bit of a dick. Like,

the way he kind of... Yeah, I mean, he hit Gene Grace What's he doing? Yeah, that's the one. And it came back to bite him in the ass. That involved him getting destroyed as well, and then

putting his mind in someone else's body. It's a classic bit. I don't know. They never bothered to explain how that got undone that he showed up in the Wolverine movie totally in his regular body. We don't talk about it, don't worry about it. The continuity is just as bad as the comics in that sense.

Got to love it. Not important. Yeah. But we got to see that sweet-ass yellow hover chair in that Dr. Strange movie. Mm-hmm. That'd be cool. I always liked the voice actor for him in the 90s X-Men cartoon. I thought that's when I think of Charles Xavier,

that's the voice I hear. Oh yeah Patrick Smith There we go It also appears that a voice actor named Jim Ward played him in a couple of different things as well Okay But yeah

Not too many other I mean you know He's been in some video games Obviously not as a playable character For the most part Unless you could play him in X-Men Legends That's a game I've never played by I always heard really good things about

Uh it was pretty good Yeah Yeah But yeah, no, I mean, is there any final thoughts you want to put on Charles Xavier before we tie this up? What a dick. Kind of it. Professor Xavier is the jerk. It's true.

There's the thumbnail. This is John doing the Kitty Pride pose. What is he's going? I'm probably Xavier because I'm bald. We'll see what happens. Yeah. We certainly will. But John, we teased it earlier.

but what is your movie count at so far? I am now up to 373 movies for the year. Nice. What was your most recent movie? I rewatch the Purge. The original one. Interesting.

I, yeah. Some of the sequels to those are the right kind of dumb, fun to watch. Like the ones with Frank Grillo. Love those. yeah yeah uh dylan what you got to promote yeah that's my radio show yeah um

it's on every Monday night 11 to no 9 to 11 that's the right number yeah you can listen to it around the world do me a favor oh www www.mind digital radio dot code UK send me the the URL for that and I will start putting it in the video descriptions

and stuff that way there's a quick link that's a good idea and then also you'll be able to listen to the show. And, John, if you want to do the same for your letterbox, what is your username on letterbox so that people know where to find your reviews? It is

At a big John Bowsky, all one word. All right, well, folks, that's going to do it for us today. We will see you all next time where we will talk about something also fun and easy to talk about like an arrogant, bald bastard who loves killing

fetuses. Until then, goodbye. Bye. Bye. That's the ghost of all the babies that Charles Xavier is killed. Ha ha ha ha.