The Smark Avengers - Vol 4, Ep 20: From Joke to Threat: We Reboot Comic Book Villains That Suck

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

💥 From Joke to Threat: We Reboot Comic Book Villains That Suck | Smark Avengers Ep. 20 💥 Not every supervillain is a Thanos or Joker… some are Doctor Bong. In this episode of Smark Avengers, Corey, Dylan, and Jon take on the ultimate comic book challenge: turning some of the lamest villains in Marvel and DC history into actual threats. Can Swarm, the Nazi made of bees, be terrifying? Can The Hippo go from punchline to powerhouse? And what the hell do you even do with Doctor Bong? 🧠 In this episode: We redesign villains like Water Wizard, The Grizzly, and more Pitch serious (and hilarious) reboots for forgotten comic book characters Debate whether some villains are even worth saving And laugh way too hard in the process If you’ve ever screamed “why is this character even real?” while reading comics — this episode is for you. 👇 Drop your picks: What comic book villain do you think deserves a redemption arc? Click the link for Dylan's radio show!: http://www.bouncedigitalradio.co.uk 🛎️ Don’t forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and HIT THE BELL for weekly chaos from the world of comics, movies, and wrestling! #WorstSupervillains #ComicBookPodcast #SmarkAvengers #MarvelVillains #DCVillains #Swarm #DoctorBong #TheGrizzly #WaterWizard #ComicBookRedesign #FixingComics #VillainReboot #ComicsDeepDive #FunnyComics #SupervillainMakeover #NerdCulture

Yeah. Yeah, no. Do you want to start just us talking shit about Neil Gaiman? I feel like it's going to be an evergreen thing at this point anyway. You can't have 28 allegations against you with it not having a degree of truth to it. Wait until you get to 30. It's the number. Yeah.

Don't ask how I know that. I just know that. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the Spark Avengers. 28 won't stick, baby. 28 won't stick. 30. That's that's a lot.

rough one. You know, there's some more true that than you would think, because there is a football player in America who had 24 allegations of sexual misconduct involving massage parlors and massage therapists. 24, and like,

you know what, there are people out there who still will weirdly defend it, but if he gets up to 30, then you know. Boys are looking boys. Yep. Speaking of Boys, Bean, Boys, we're the boys of the Smart Avengers, and we're here. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Hello. My name is Corey. With me is Dylan and John. Welcome to Smart Avengers. And guys, how has the week been? Great.

Yeah, I'd say average. It's been having an average July week. Because it's July. Well, we have a great July. So now that I remember that it's July, I'm having a grid time. So this is our follow-up to our last episode. So if you have not listened to last week's episode, do not let the title of it dissuade you.

Yes, we were mainly talking about biography, comics, and the works of the title Wave Productions Company. But we ended the episode with the premise for this week's episode, where we spun a magical wheel that gave us three villains of very low notoriety that was our responsibility to fix. John, Dylan, were you ultimately finding yourself satisfied with your list of villains that you had to redeem? Kind of. I was a little annoyed that I myself had put Water Wizard and Jester on the list and then ended up with both of them.

That kind of backfire. Hoisted. My pittard was through the roof. I really wanted somebody else to get Water Wizard, but I thought, hey, I can make the best of a bad situation. This will be easy. you know. What's funny is I didn't pick the grizzly. I think John's pick was a grizzly.

I thought the grizzly for me was the easiest one to write. Like I, it just it was so, a piece of piss, man. So, so easy. So John, you are not here to spin the wheel with us and how alarming was it to see three names sent to you

that said your job is to fix these guys? I mean, I think one of the names I was like, okay, that could be fun to try and make him a bit serious. And then another, I was like, hmm, this is a bit more challenging. And then the third one was just like, what the fuck is this guy doing?

Like, what's the powers? Who is he? Yeah. No spoilers, but oh my God, what the fuck. I feel like we could spoil it since if they watched last week, they know who we got picked. So, Dylan, do you want to run down who are? our obligated villains are.

Yeah, so we wanted to pick three villains each. Because depending on time, we're going to do at least two of them, and then the third bonus one, if he's a villain at the time. We'll have a lightning round, that's the case. Yeah. So Corey's picks are the Swarm, the Hippo, and Metalhead. My picks were Water Wizard, Jester, and the Grizzly. John got Dr. Bong, Billet Man, and Zebra Man.

Zebra Man if you come from the United States of America. Yes. Or Australia, I've learned. They will also say, they also pronounce it with a Z and not a Z. No. Weird. That's incorrect. What are you going to do?

All right, so yeah. Premise is simple enough. We had to basically find a way to take these very traditionally low-level villains and turn them around, make them more serious threats, present them in new. and more interesting ways and we're going to go around the horn and figure out did we accomplish such task

so we kept it kind of loose on what the actual assignment was and kind of lifted up for interpretation so we will have varying degrees of detail or example of what we're doing I'm sure but does anybody want to go first or are we going to

go at random like what spin the wheel I do not have a wheel prepared at this time Johnny workmanship Do you want to do alphabetical And do Dylan, me, and then John Like we did last week where you pointed out that I forgot What order my name fell in

Correct Thank you All right, well You want to go first then? Yeah, I'll do alphabetical I'll break the alphabet and go first Much like last week where I was convinced that your name started with a B for some reason that's silent B and Dillon

B and D's not similar So they really do They're just facing opposite directions Like they had a bad fight All right so Who was my first villain that I drew Was it the swarm? Yes

Okay All right So here's the thing Everybody knows about the swarm But if you don't know about the swarm Easy peasy The swarm is an evil Nazi scientist Who was consumed

By a swarm of bees only to realize that his consciousness was transported into the swarm by cosmic radiation. He debuted in the challengers of all comics, which is probably what doomed him from the start. Because if you debut for them... Yeah, doomed. Based on that, you know, what are you going to do when your main villains starting out, or your main heroes starting out are Angel, Iceman, Ghost Rider, Hercules, and Black Widow? So, here's the thing about swarms.

Because he is the swarm, people always associate him with bees, because bees are in a swarm. Bees, however, are not the only thing that swarm. So my idea would be to evolve past bees and include any other creature or insect that also swarms. So my updated origin, Dr. You know, the evil, Dr. Nazi man, one of the last scientists of the Third Reich. This full title, please.

You can't even give him his name to be Mr. Nazi. He doesn't go by that name anymore. He doesn't recognize that name anymore. It's part of the origin. He was one of the last occult scientists of the Third Reich, obsessed with the theories of Clemsyman. collective consciousness, insect, telepathy, and swarm intelligence. After World War II, he vanished into the Amazon, where he merged with a colony of genetically

altered bees, but that was only the beginning. While his human body died, his consciousness survived, not just in one swarm, but in any organism that behaves with swarm intelligence. Over the decades, his sentience has metacized, and he is no longer a Nazi ghost made of bees. He is now a living algorithm of swarm behaviors, a psychic infection that inhabits and controls any mass of creatures with hive-like behavior. So what does that include?

Includes insects like cockroaches, ants, wasps, locusts, and termites. Aquatic swarms like jellyfish, piranhas, krill, and bait balls. Yes. Bird murmurations like starlings, sparrows, and pigeons, rat hordes, bat colonies, crab migrations, etc. So pretty much if there is a type of animal or insect that engages in some sort of a swarm behavior, the swarm can take it over. So yes. So basically, this is what I'm saying.

It's going on. So his physical body is an ever-shifting composite of whatever he controls. So one moment he could be made of cockroaches and rats. the next. He's a floating gelatinous column of jellyfish glowing in the Atlantic Ocean. In another, he is a fluid of grotesque. Basically, he's just constantly this shifting physical form made up of other living things. So when you think you've defeated him, he's conscious just merely just moves on. Basically, he goes from something, because I think in the original champion's storyline, he gets thrown off because they use something.

sort of a thing that makes the bees dissipate leaving his skeleton behind? Not a problem anymore. Now he basically, just his consciousness just moves on into the next nearby colony of something. So, basically, swarms release pheromones or neurotoxins to force nearby living beings, animal or human with an artificial hive-like obedience, and that's how he synchronizes his body into them. I was playing around with the idea because I've seen, like, AI be referred to as swarms of data. And I was like, oh, what if he could, like, transfer his consciousness into data?

But I was like, that's too much. And then also there's like, oh, and like bacteria can have a, like, colony aspect, like, colony behavioral mindset. But I think that would just make him too overpowered if the guy could suddenly turn into back, like, put his consciousness into bacteria or AI. I feel like that would be too much. Because the AI is handled by cyborg Superman already. Like, that's the thing about his character. and ultimately I do want a defeatable villain. I don't want him to be, yeah.

So essentially I've taken the swarm, Nazi made of bees, and I've made him a living bio weapon and an environmental terrorist and existential threat because he no longer sees himself as a man. He has given himself over into the throes of nature. He is no longer even recognizing Nazi idealism or the Third Reich or anything.

he is fully committed to this aspect of kind of the what's the word I'm thinking of here assimilation becoming part of a greater whole so instead of like just sticking to those weird archaic viewpoints of prejudice and racism

now he's like no human beings are the real problem here I'm going to assimilate with all other living life and we will derive the rest of it into an extinction level threat okay so that is my idea I do have a storyline pitch.

Okay. This is a, ideally would be a storyline that would feature eco-terrorism against Captain America. The idea of the collective versus the individual identity,

nationalism versus naturalism, memory, and the human soul. So those are the themes of the storyline we'd be playing with as Captain America deals with this new, this newly evolved threat of the swarm.

Okay. I can go into that in greater detail if you would like. You have it there? Yeah. You have a breath and dying? Yeah, I mean, it's a very loose thing. I don't want to go too far into it.

So pretty much the story starts with Captain America investigates a mysterious blackout in an airport in Berlin that has been overrun with birds, insects, and rodents acting with weird synchronicity. And people have been vanishing. there are no bodies left behind and their

homes and dwellings have been turned into like nests for like rats or hives for like bees and stuff so basically like Cap gets in touch with Shield and they realize it is a continent wide wave of synchronized swarm migrations basically every major animal collective in Europe

is shifting and as they do they are forming a shape and ultimately Captain America first has this confrontation with the swarm face to face as the swarm is made up of sparrows and moths

basically informing him that the swarm that he knew is now over and done with this is a swarm that is now connected to the very brutal live or die nature of nature itself and that humanity's time has

come and gone without a real threat and he is there to force them to evolve or die. And I think I have it mapped out to like five issues. Okay. But essentially at one point it involves like the swarm like kind of spreading that influence in trying to slowly and surely begin to inhabit human minds using the same kind of like, ultimately that's the goal is to increase that swarm like behavior into humans and

try to make composite versions of itself made up of masses of people instead. So it kind of gets a little Cronenberg body horror. Okay. But yeah, that is ultimately my pitch for the swarm, basically amplify his powers to go beyond just bees. Thoughts. John, what do you think? As a big fan of a swarmy? I mean, this is an interesting idea.

It's leveling swarm up. It's taking it to the next level. Yeah. Like, I'm sad to see the bees get left behind. Oh, no, no, they're still a part of it. They're just not solely bees. I know, I know. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it sounds like it...

I know. I just, you know, I love bees. He doesn't love bees, and he doesn't love Nazi scientists combined the two. He's leaving the Nazi mindset behind, realizing that there's more to be gained in the cold reality of man versus nature. That's what we're saying. He's leaving the bees behind. He's leaving the Nazis behind.

He's leaving his identity behind. Well, because he's getting assimilated. He's becoming one of the all. Exactly. He's forgot who he was. He is. It's a harsh reality. I mean, it was good.

It's a good way to make Swarm seem a bigger threat. Because that's the whole point of today's episode is to make it seem like they're more legit than they are. I mean, if he's fighting Captain America, that seems like a step-off. The champions, yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. I dig it.

Hell yeah. All right, Dylan, you're up next. Are we doing it in the order we picked them in? That's how I started off, as I went with Swarm because he was the first. Okay, well then I'll do that. My first pick was the Water Wizard. I say that as if I picked it. The wheel decided.

My first selection was the Water Wizard, who I was like, Like, I picked him because, I picked him for the wheel because I thought, this is a guy that I don't know, Decabyte, but it's a stupid name. So, good luck, whoever gets him. Ha, ha, ha. And then I got him. I had to look up what he did. He's called the Water Wizard. He was also known as Aqueduct, which I think is a better name than Water Wizard.

But also, when it comes to, like, in terms of, like, a supervillain name. Both of those are terrible. Oh, yeah. Aqueduct is science cool, but means just a bridge that water goes over. And the water wizard is just one of the lamest names that you can ever come off. Makes it sound like he pisses on stuff. Yeah, I'm the water wizard. But also, like, when you break his power is dying, he wasn't, he doesn't, the biggest way to describe water wizard is he's power is he's like,

hydro or like pyro but for water so pyro doesn't create fire he manipulates fire it's the same of water wizard

he doesn't create water but if water is nearby he can manipulate it great so if he's not near water he's fusing right also

he can only really use his power for like half an hour before he gets mental fatigue oh no so I'm like great as if he wasn't

already shit they're like, we got to make him shitter. Oh, he's certainly getting a headache. Yeah, this isn't going to work, man. He's too bad. We need to make him worse. So, obviously, because of all of this, water wizard, I'm going to call him Aqueduct for this just for fun.

Yeah. But we can all call him Water Wizard because we know who that is. He, due to a lot of circumstances involving all of the stuff I just said, is feeling a little bit underwhelmed when it comes to how much of a villain he is and how he's seen in the villain community. So he comes up with a new plan

that he's going to basically upgrade himself. The way that Corey upgraded the swarm, Aqueduct is going to upgrade himself. He gets together a lot of the biggest villainous scientists in Marvel

to try and upgrade him. So he gets the jackal, the mad thinker, the tinkerer, Jonas Harrow, among others. Those are just the ones I could think up off the top of my head. So let's go with them for now. And he talks to the mall and says, listen, I've got a good idea.

If you help me out now and make me more powerful, I will return the favor by giving you riches. I will be able to, I have a plan of what I want to do, and I will be able to get you gold and treasure and stuff, you know, monetary stuff that a lot of you give a shit a bite. The Jackal doesn't really care about money, but a satisfaction of a job well done and the idea of causing mischief

would appeal to the jackal. So originally, Aquedoc gets all these guys together and he says, here's my plan. If you can upgrade my powers, I'm going to give you riches. And I'll tell you how many goes as riches. I'm going to invade.

Adlaanus. And everybody's like, you're going to fight Namor? This might be the stupidest thing anyone who he's ever done. So they all go along with it. They all try to increase the power level of Water Wizard because they think if it works, we get riches. And if it doesn't work, Namor's going to kill him.

Yeah. So either way, it's no big deal. We're grand, right? He's not going to come out of their fucking Jordan's Howard over here. So they're like, that's fine. the tinker designed a suit for him that allows him to like travel and breathe under water for long periods of time because he can manipulate water but he's still just a fucking guy right but if he's going to go fight namor give him a good suit of armor that can help him like be in the water for a long time the mad thinker and jonas harrow experiment on him to improve his limited manipulation powers and let him use the powers for a longer reach and for a longer period of time than half an hour because that's fucking

and useless, right? So now he can manipulate water and he can kind of like turn it like hard and soft and bump and down, you know, he can manipulate water. I don't have to explain what that means. You guys know what that means. Eventually it's time for Aqueduct to envied Atlantis like a fucking idiot.

He travels underwater to challenge Namor one-on-one and he thinks who else would be braven up to challenge Namor one-on-one. Very few people. Other people would say not brave, but fucking stupid. But he says, no, no, no.

I'm going to prove that I'm big time by going up against some of the biggest guys. That's smart when you think about it. You got to show your you got guts. Which I think we can all agree previously. Water Wizard didn't show any of.

Right? Not the gutsiest of character. So this is a big move for him. obviously namor stands up to him only to find out that aqueduct can because they're in the water aqueduct can now manipulate the water that surrounds them and essentially locks namor in a water prison manipulates the water around namor to like trap him in place and he can't move but he just has to like stand there and focus on well i say stand there he's in the water

but like you know be there and like focus on namor to like lock him in place or whatever for a while while this is happening a clone of aqueduct made by the jackal because that's what he does he makes clones clone of the aqueduct by the jackal sneaks into atlantis and starts stealing all the treasure so you have one aqueduct sealing treasure one aqueduct keeping namor at bay at some point both aqueducts are you able to escape with the treasure and with the fact that they were able to humiliate Namor who's fucking pissed about this by the way

you don't know which of those aqueducts is the real one or if both of them are a clone is that's another jackal trait you don't know clones aren't the wazoo you know what you mean and eventually Neymour is left free the aqueduct

escape and Namor Neymar is livid swears his revenge he's like I'm going to come after those guys guys. But to begin with, Aqueduct achieved his mission. He essentially held Namor to a standstill, and he stole the treasure out of Atlantis, which once that gets back to all the other villains, so that was pretty surprisingly badass for a guy that's called Water Wizard. That's my pitch. Or Aqueduct. What? Or Aqueduct.

Yeah, Water Wizard. Acquoduct, whatever he wants to, Carl, whatever he wants to be called, you know what you mean? His name isn't Carl, but he can pretend it is. That's that one. Can I tell you that I'm surprised that you meant this whole time without mentioning Hydroman? Because I was going to ask,

Yes. If Aqueduct has the ability to control Hydroman's body? Yes. Well, originally, I was trying to think of a way to put them together. But then I thought, I don't think that that's a good idea. I think it would be better

if you keep them separate. Because as much as I love Hyderman, he also doesn't have a huge standing in the Marvel community. I think that putting two dumb-ass characters together who both have water-based powers is probably a losing battle.

Although the way it could work because one of them is, like, one of them manipulates water and the other one is water. Simple. It's like him having his own gun, right? It's easy. But then I thought, no, that's not...

Then what do you do? What's the story? True. Because if you take out one of them, you take out the other one, basically. Well, I was thinking you could make Hyderman almost a sympathetic character because he's getting controlled

against his will by Water Wizard, aka Aqueduct. But he's a villain. You don't want to turn him into a face. He's a pure villain. No, I mean, you don't necessarily have to. I mean, the comics are full of villains who've been manipulated into doing terrible things.

It doesn't make them heroes. It just makes them somewhat sympathetic. Nah. That's fair. No, no, I appreciate. I think it's funny and balzy to have a character who's like, yeah, I control water to be like, I'm going to go after fucking Namor. I think the restraint I showed by not putting a hydrant into this.

It does. It warrants a lot. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I like the idea of him going straight after Nammer, because, like, nobody else would do that. No, no. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, well, out of the fire and into frying pan, or out of

frying pan into the fire, whichever way that goes. It's like, why... The only thing is, it's like, it's under the sea, so, like, not many people are going to know about it. But that's the thing. Once they go back to land with all the stuff they stole from Atlantis, there's, like, five people that know about it. Aqueduct knows about it

and then the four scientists that he gives the treasure to they all know about it they have contacts in the criminal underworld people go to the tinker all the time for stuff people go to Jonas Harrow he can be like dude I got a load of money where'd you get the money from fucking Aqueduct stole loads of stuff from Atlantis what he can do that

yeah dude he can work for you if you want where it spreads small you know what you mean a little bit of business there it's all about the business Jonathan's not convinced I mean, I think it's more of a good advert for the five scientists, like, coming together and pulling their resources than what was it? He came up with a plan, and he did it. He was out there.

Jackal wasn't out there. You know what you mean? He went up against Namor. I mean, yeah, he's going to get his dick kicked in later, but the first time... Always. They have to. That's the point. What we're doing is we're adding, like, a bit of time between...

the bad moment and the dick kicking. Exactly. We're extending that period of time. We don't have to talk about that bit. We just talk about it. That wasn't the brief. The brief was, try to make this guy a bigger deal.

Yeah. Mission accomplished. The dying fall, that'll come later. It's coming. Don't worry. It's coming. 100%. He's about to die.

Namor McKinsey isn't going to allow somebody to punk him out in his own kingdom. He's going to kill that guy. In front of everybody. Yeah. All right, John, it is your turn. John's first guy.

Was it Dr. Baum? The Doctor Bond. Dr. Baum. Awesome. So, yeah, Dr. Bong. For those who don't know, he's an awesome looking motherfucker with a big bell on his head. And he's got, like, uh, uh, um, I guess, like, a bonger as a left hand as well that he can use to, like, chime his bell.

Traditionally, he's like a Howard the Duck villain, which is kind of limiting, I guess, because Howard the Duck isn't exactly the biggest deal in the Marvel universe. So he's someone who's ripe for, you know, bumping up on the old villain stakes. so some of the stuff that he can do like I say he's got that bulletproof helmet which is bell-shaped and it has powers where if he finds it a certain way it can create an

impenetrable sonic barrier around him it can teleport him to wherever he wants to go or he can even use it to like stun or even kill people as well So his helmet is pretty powerful, but he's also a scientist with advanced knowledge of genetic engineering. And he's created this thing called an Evolvo chamber, which he can use to make clones of people or transform animals into another species, like, into huge. humanoid version or even A hippo, for example.

Exactly. Or even like take existing humans and give them like animal characteristics as well. So, I figured given his obvious scientific

prowess, we should get into the clone business as well. And I figure you know, no one suspects Dr. Bong of anything. So that makes it, you know, it gives him a bit of an opening

so he can kind of get in there and start cloning like the world's superheroes and basically replacing all the big names with his clones who are under his control. And as for the originals,

he could like either teleport them into some sort of specially designed like bell-shaped holding cell or you know if they're too powerful and are likely to escape just teleport them into the sun because that's my

good old go-to it's a bad go-to works yeah and so the idea is he would just basically use his cloning technology which I think he did use once in the storyline where he was

like he created loads of Deadpool clones when Deadpool was part of this secret Avengers and ended up backfiring on him but in this case he's cloning all the like Major Heroes like Captain America Iron Man, Spider Man, blah blah blah he's replaced all of them

so yeah so then once enough of them sort of his versions of those heroes it like opens the door for him to you know basically take over the world but then that would be like his

hubris coming back to haunt him as well so he thinks he won the day because he's taken out all the biggest names in the superhero world but then it'll be like a smaller hero that he wasn't expecting that he didn't think was important enough to um

to and replace that is going to probably like a few of them band together and you know save the day but it's cool girl yeah Great Lakes Avengers yeah exactly

someone of that elk okay you wouldn't expect interesting that you would make Dr. Bong teleport people into the sun I mean I don't think that any of us had that on our bingo card no I certainly do mean why not

We just didn't expect it from that guy That's our problem We didn't treat him with enough respect You know Exactly Put some respect on his name We didn't think he had an end of You know

We were wrong Boy is our face red Yep Not as red as the guys Who've been teleported into the sun Melted off Yeah they don't even have a face anymore Nope

Mm-hmm That's Dr. Bong, I remember reading them in at Deadpool Comics. I never read the Hard the Duck ones. That's where I got Dr. Bong from. They always seem like a character but you're like, it is intriguing. Yes.

Like, there's legs or stuff you could do with him. Absolutely. He always felt like a character that would be almost more at home in the tick than he would be in Marvel. Because I get to him, like, lined up there with, like, chairface. Yeah. Yeah, he's a little off, isn't he?

It's a little off. Yeah. The best way to put it. But he's a fun one, though. Like, he's someone I'd love to see pop up in comics more. We should bring it back. Whenever we work for Marvel, that's one of the guys will bring back. Yeah.

Yeah. There you go. Baby Joggernauts got to start somewhere with an enemy. That's something if you look forward to Marvel. That's why you should hire us. Baby Joggonaut, Dr. Bong. We bring it back all the grades. Yeah.

I mean, we're already doing your work for you. for you by making these characters more threats. Yeah, don't steal these ideas, so we have to pay us. We need the money. John has so many children. Yeah, but some of them are. And they're all criminally insane as well. There was a joke that we were going to put John's criminally insane children on the wheel.

But ultimately decided against it. Yeah. All right. That would have a funny. So my next one is the hippo. And I was not the most excited about the hippo because the research on the hippo there wasn't a ton there. Wait for Dylan to come back. So keep, I'll be back in a second.

I'm still listening. Keep talking. Okay. So yeah, with the hippo, what I could find out research-wise by the hippo was the hippo debuted in dark rain spider-man as a character that the mac-gargon venom had eaten his leg and he had been in group therapy

with other villains that venom had consumed parts of their body and so they were forming a revenge team and ultimately hippo was eaten by venom completely but it's fine because then later on he was in an issue

of like New Avengers and Luke Cage and Ronan were beating him up and there was no explanation as to how he was eaten. So the fact of the matter is is that the hippo is a hippopotamus that was genetically altered by the high evolutionary, that pink prick, and basically found out that it's hard out there being a human, or a hippo-human hybrid, because he had no human experience to draw upon So my idea for the hippo was to draw on some real-life experiences, not from myself, but for how the American political system works. So the hippo is incarcerated in the raft.

The high security prison for supervillains and superpower beings, right? But see, the hippo, because he was never a man, the hippo was a hippo that had been genetically turned into a human male, human hippo. hybrid. He is going to draw on his natural hippo instincts. Hippos are creatures with a very high level of social intelligence, territorial strategy, and creative problem solving. This is all very true. So the hippo, during his time locked away, is going to lean into those experiences, and he's going to get his degree in political science and also law. And using that experience now and that newfound knowledge, the hippo is going to draw on the fact that the two types of hippopotamuses in the world, the common hippo is considered vulnerable on the endangered species list. So it is not

endangered yet, but could very well become endangered. So the hippo's legal team that is granted to him because of the Miranda rights in the United States, the hippo legal team is able to use that to help the hippo be free of incarceration. because again it's a vulnerable species and being detained in the raft could be seen as detrimental to his long-term health. So using this in his classification on the Adangered Species Register, he makes the news because it's a big controversy that this majestic creature was turned into something that he had no intention of ever being by a villainous person and then was punished. because it was unable to adjust to human society, something he never was. So that's when the hippo becomes a political powerhouse in New York City. He builds a campaign, much like somebody else in American politics,

that is largely built on fear-mongering and populist rhetoric, and he has turned a public prejudice against mutants and animal hybrids and marginalized groups into his gain, much like how Donald Trump has made people in America believe that all rich, intelligent people are bad, even though he is from a wealthy background in a higher level of education. He's always been able to sidestep that by being a fucking moron. So that is exactly what the hippo has done. He has leveraged those real experiences of taking marginalized groups that he himself is technically a part of.

but like making fear making everybody go like yeah those people are terrible and evil and fearful but i'm one of the good ones because i care about you and the people of new york yeah fucking believe it because it's my story and they do and um so yes he uses his trump-like powers of uh political savvy to channel people's resentments anxieties and scapegoating into support and positioning himself as the voice of the forgotten a leader promising order through strength and control. But secretly, he is incredibly manipulative and is using all of this for his own short-term gang by having these people as pawns in his agenda. Because while he was in prison using that social intelligence that hippopotamists have, he's able to figure out like, oh, you have to be corrupt and manipulative if you're to survive.

So as a hippopotamus that needs to survive in my new surroundings, which is the concrete jungle that is New York City, I need to start manipulating people and fucking with them. So, yes, he's almost like a kingpin-esque figure except literally a hippo. Instead of just a big fat white guy, he's a big fat gray guy. So, yes, he is charismatic and intimidating. He speaks calmly, but there's a level of,

there's a level of fear there, because, again, hippopotamuses are responsible for 500 human deaths a year because of their territorial streak. They do not eat meat. They will fucking mall someone and kill them, though, if they believe they're encroaching on their territory. And that's what's going to make him a threat in the New York City political structure, because he's already staked out his claim, and much like the kingpin, he is going to be very cutthroat about keeping his piece of the pie. So yeah, again, that's kind of the pitch on this, is taking the real aspects of hippopotamus social structure

and then applying it to a marvel setting and some real-life things where you're like, yeah, surely a bloated orange man couldn't, you know, convince poor people that he's just like them despite being raised in the lap of luxury his entire life, draft, you know, draft dodging a war. and then, you know, basically bankrupting his way through opportunity after opportunity. Yet people still believe he's just like us. If a big, fat, white, orange guy can do it, then there's no reason a big fat fucking hippopotamus can't. He can't argue with that. What, like, political office is he gunning for? I'm going to say New York comp controller. Because the mirror is already...

because mayor mayor's already spoken for in kingpin and I'm not there yet I'm not ready for the hippopotamus kingpin grutter for

it will happen at some point it's gonna happen he's got to work his way up the ladder you know you don't go straight from nothing to mayor

overnight even though you can go from nothing to president somehow that took a lot of years of nothing to be fair tons of years

of nothing oh 70 of them basically Yeah. But yeah. So this is my plot hook here. The hippos political machine starts a citywide crackdown on mutant communities, secretly fueling unrest to keep voters scared and compliant. Heroes like Daredevil or Spider-Man uncover the hippos corruption runs deeper than merely graft.

He's systematically manipulating crime, law enforcement, and the media to control New York's underground and government alike while using the war on mutant as a front. Where do you get your ideas from? I don't know. There's a huge fucking protest happening over in California today where members of the press

both foreign and domestic getting hit with rubber bullets by fucking LAPD because they're corrupt pieces of shit. Not today, Corey. A month ago. A month ago, I'm sure that all turned out well. Yeah, all but allies are fire

right now. I'm like, oh, everything is fine. It's the second time in our podcast history and Los Angeles has been on fire. Oh, well, what are you going to do? I thought this was the third time. Could be, could be. I mean, who knows what July will bring?

Or June? We know because we live in it. Yeah, right. Who knows what August will bring? Yep. By the way, I do want to point out that I think canonically the hippo's name is Mrs. Fluffy Lumpkins. Yes. So, yeah.

Makes sense. so yeah he's going to also appeal to marginalized groups using that name as well also the fact that mrs fluffy lumpkins is now a male hippo person has always been a male hippo apparently oh they just okay yeah for whatever everything i saw referred to the hippo uh by males i think that whole pitch that was really interesting i was dylan i was struggling with this one until I was listening to the news today. I find that one to be like,

the way you said it, I'm like, you know what, this plausible? I have, how ridiculous it is. That's sad, it is plausible. If they did this with the hip-or, you're like, I, if they wrote it like that, it'd be like, that makes sense. Yeah, and then you have that weird thing as well.

Like, if Spider-Man goes to punch him, people will be like Spider-Man, he's a protected species. You can't. I'll punch him. Right. You know, I like that. I really like that. Thank you.

Yeah. It definitely caught me by surprise. Like I said, when I got the hippo, I was fucking dreading it. And then, like, for the last few days, I'm like, I don't know what I'm going to do with the hippo. Because everything I kept, like, finding out about him would completely go against what I had thought of already. Because originally, I was going to go with, like, the old swamp thing method of, like, Swamp thing, like Dr. Alec Holland died in the event that created Swamp Thing, Swamp Thing's its own thing. I was gonna, because I was, at this time I thought that the hippo was just a guy.

And then I was like, nope, high evolutionary bullshit. It was just always a hippo. Well, you know what that guy's like. He's a dick. Turning animals into people against their will. Crazy cat. The crazy cat was another one of his characters. Oh.

All right, well, that's the hippo. We could probably get through your other two and do the final one as a lightning round. So if you want to do the one that you think is the best of the final two, and then we'll lightening round the others. Well, I'm going to do Jester next, because I think Grizzly would be really quick to explain, but I really like the grizzly one. So let me do the Jester real quick. Jester, by the way, I did this.

I finished it like two hours ago. So Jester is very depressed. The pun. Well done. Thank you. The laughter really helped, I gotta say. He's very depressed because nobody takes him seriously as a villain. He doesn't have any clout in the villain community.

His wife is now his ex-wife because she doesn't respect him either. And she moved on and she's moved away out of his life. And also she took his car. Also, his goldfish. Sydney Bloverkins has died. and his to add insult to injury his mother is very sick

and he can't afford the medical bills so that's the that's a real like the goldfish bit was a joke but the mother thing is a real bit like he can't afford to

get his mother the surgery she needs because he's not a very good villain but the only thing he knows how to do is be a fucking jester so he's having a very bad time he needs a miracle to help him earn the money he needs for his mother he tries to rob a bank dressed up as a jester of course but nobody takes him seriously the bank tellers laugh at him and the security guy throwing them out on the street

he feels very depressed again he's like what do we do how do we get ahead in this game like he starts to become very desperate you can see that he's he's very like it's starting to get to him he starts to behave much more erratically. He loses his home because he can't pay his bill. So he's just a homeless vagrant out in the street, like yelling at people, but he's still dressed as a jester. And what happens a lot now is that sometimes he'll do like a local TV, you know, local madman, this guy, and they film him for jokes. And then people realize, like people on TikTok realize, hey, we can get like easy views with this. So they'll come down

to the jester and like film themselves, interviewing him or whatever just to see the mad stuff that he says. He's always rambling and being weird. And eventually he threatens to do something incredibly drastic to change his fortunes. Peter Parker

sees this on TV. I don't like the sound of doing something incredibly drastic. That sounds like bad news. So he starts to keep an eye on the jester and what he's up to. More TikTok influencers start to come down and interview him and they're like live streaming and filming him

on the street and talking to him and just to hear the weird stuff that he says and the gesture gets really like agitated and angry and he announces on a live stream on TikTok that he has a new plan whenever he said he was going to do something desperate and something to change his fortunes

the thing that he's going to do is he's literally going to summon the devil himself next Sunday he's going to raise the devil he's going to pentagram, summon the demon and change his fortunes.

So obviously all the TikTok guys are laughing about this. And they're like, okay, next Sunday, great, we'll be there. We'll film it. Peter Parker sees this, or here's about this, and he's like, I got to stop this shit. This is crazy.

So Sunday comes, Peter Parker, Spider-Man finds the jester in like an alleyway. He's drawn a pentagram on the on the floor of the alley with, you know, chalk or whatever the fuck they draw with

blood, marker, I don't know, they draw the pan of the ground. All the TikTok guys are there. They're live streaming this. They're filming it all. Because they're like how, think of the views. If we can see a fucking demon come out, great views. But at the same time,

think of the views. If we watch this guy get the shit kicked out of him by Spider-Man, either way, it's a victory for the TikTok. guy. So there's like five, six cameras, like live streaming, Peter Parker, well, live streaming Spider-Man and the jester. Spider-Man tries to talk, so he tries to talk reason with the jester and he just starts to break down and cry. And he's like, my life sucks. You have no idea, Spider-Man. You have no idea how sucky my life is, Spider-Man. Whatever your life is, it's probably great. You have no idea what it's like

to have everything taken away from you. You have no idea what it's like for your wife's to leave you. You have no idea what it's like to have a sick relative where the only option that you have is to make a literal deal with the devil to save her. Biden was like, he's like, please, he can't obviously he can't say, dude, I know all of that shit, like the back of my hand, but he's like, listen, please, do not make a deal with the devil, don't do this, it's not going to work. Jester gets more agitated. He's like, if the rules are reversed,

because you're the good guy and I'm the bad guy, if you're the good guy and your mother was sick, you meet a deal with the devil, you get away with it. But I don't get away with it because I'm not the good guy. I'm not the successful guy. I'm just the miserable joker. It's not fair. There's a double standard here,

and I'm going to change everything by making that deal with Mepesto. I'm going to save him mother, and I'm going to give myself unlimited powers on the same time. I'm going to make this deal with the devil, and I'm going to make everybody fear the jester. Spider-Mont tells him, dude, this is a really bad idea.

Just believe me, making a deal with the Mepesto, it's not the way you want to run your life. It's going to be miserable. It'll make your life miserable. He'll fuck you over. It's a terrible, terrible idea. Jester tells him to go to hell,

because that's a funny bit as well. And then he's like, whatever, I'm going to start doing this. spell. He tries to like start doing the pentagram. Spider-Man tackles him and they have a little tussle and they're like fighting before the

jester just like starts to laugh maniacally. And Spider-Man is like, what's going on here? And the gesture's like, I got you. Ah! Pranked! Spider-man's like, what? All the TikTok guys

are watching this. And the jester like, ah, I pranked you. You felt with the oldest trick of the book. You thought I was going to raise the devil. What kind of fucking idiot? You fucking kid. Look at me. I'm a fucking jaster.

I play pranks of people. And you just got prank, buddy. And everybody's seen it. It's all over the world, Buster. I'm the master of Japes. And you fell for the biggest one of the wall. TikTok guys are going mantle. They're like, this is gold.

We just saw Spider-em. I get punked on. by the fucking jester this rips so spider man is like you did all of this you did like weeks of like you

can't be homeless and this weird tech talk shit you did this for weeks just to make me look like an idiot the jester's like yep so spider man punches him in the face knocks him white uh tech talk guys are having a great time with this

spider man takes the jester has him institutionalized in a mental hospital. At some point, Spider-Man in the costume, obviously, can't just turn up as Peter Parker. Spider-Man turns up just to see how the gesture is doing. Jester just starts laughing in his face. And Spider-Man is like, okay, this guy is delusional. This is the best place for him.

You know, all that shit was alive. And he leaves. And then as we leave, we see a close-up of the jester. as he says an incredibly old cliche line but it is pretty appropriate where he says the best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist and his eyes glow red

and that's the end of the comic yeah I got you I got you that took a while but I'm very pleased with it yeah a lot of twisting turns in that one so I think that's probably the best one that I wrote And then there's that potential for that devil-powered jester to turn up elsewhere and do other things.

So you've introduced it. That's not even the big bit. From these issues, you're like, it's going to get big. Already you're like, he's a big level threat and all. You're like, whoa, you know, this is, he haven't even got to the big bit yet, you know? So I like that one. I thought that was pretty good. All right, the silence is very encouraging.

No, no, it was good. I really did, like, you put a lot of thought into that, and that was really, that was really clever. I really like the whole sad clown thing. I was kind of like, I was almost expecting it to, so they, DC introduced this green lantern called the sorrow recently, or the sorrow lantern. And like, basically, like, he's a newer lantern, like, a new part of the spectrum that induces great sadness and feeds off of people's sadness.

And that's almost where I thought you were going to go with that was basically do, like, the old Pagliacci's clown bit, but it was like, oh, it's a jester, but instead of, like, making people maniacally sad, it makes people just, like, drown themselves with pity for him. Yeah, well, he is an incredibly tragic character. Yes. While with him being so pathetic. Also, I realize that, like, the jester is, like, maybe dead. I think there's been a couple of jesteres.

There were two jesters, and both of them had died at some point, so I'm like, that's... Well, like I told you, Hippo was... Perfect. Hippo was eaten by venom and then was uneaten somehow with his legs back, so I don't know what happened there, but... It's not important. It's comics, what are you going to do? John, what's your second one, and then we'll jump into the lightning ground? I guess my second one is Deltman.

Classic. Yes, originally a daredevil villain. Wilbur Day was a scientist who worked for a guy called Carl Kaxton who was an inventor of this hydraulic ram device so Wilbur stole his designs and then put them into metal legs as part of like an armored battle suit

so he could go and perform robberies but like the main gimmick is basically the suit makes him very very tall with, you know, I don't know how that's supposed to, you know, help his criminal career, but there you go. He is, he's, like, upgraded the armour over the years. So it's, like, made out of secondary adamantium, not the good stuff, but, like, you know, the next stuff down. the legs can extend up to 2090 feet and they're coated with

this adhesive resistant silicon as well so you know Spider-Man can't really web him or anything so in theory like you know he's kind of maxed out his powers a little bit but he's still a bit of a joke that's exactly that's the max of his powers

and that's makes himself tall a little bit out of place like yeah yeah and sticks to the legs. What do you think? There you go. I mean, how has he not conquered the world at this point?

But yeah, he got killed by Punisher during I think Civil War or around that sort of time, but then got brought back to life as a clone during the whole clone conspiracy. I remember what it was called. I remember what it was called.

The one where Ben was the jackal and yeah yeah yeah um but anyway so my thought was he's been doing it wrong all these years like the stilts idea is just garbage like it doesn't work we need to find a new kind of use for this hydraulic ram device because in theory that's pretty good going that's like something he can work with you could you know

put it into maybe some sort of like gun or cannon or something and use it to like you know break through a bank vault to get the money and stuff like that or

um my idea was to put it into an airship which we're going to call the Rumpel Stilt Ship Okay, all right Great Go on

And yeah So basically he's just like Rather than being out and about And like, you know, exposed and Like really obvious He's going to be in his Rumpelstilchip And just like with a hydraulic like sort of crusher Like you know you get a

building sites and stuff and just using that to like fucking smash superheroes and stuff rather than you know trying to slowly get away with giant footsteps

so yeah he's like taking a more proactive like murderous stance now and yeah and just about murdering arrows to try and build up his

street weapon. You make a good point about if he's stilt man, like when he was stilt man, when he's getting away, everybody can see him. That's the direct opposite of what you want if you're a criminal. Like, cops, I'm over here. Exactly.

It's a terrible idea. This is 20 foot tall, silver asshole walking down the street very cautiously. I think the best thing about Stilt Man, Like, it's just, like, wall to wall, it's a bad idea. Yes. Like, all of it's a terrible idea.

You know, the name, the costume, the use of the thing. Like, what the fuck is making yourself tall going to do, you know? And yet, it's inspired, like, copycats as well. He's had, when Wilbur died, there was, like, I think, at least one, maybe two more male stilt men who took over. And then there was a lady stilt man as well, who, I remember Lady Stilman Also Lady Stilman

You would think you could probably Tweet the name a bit Maybe Stilt Lady Lady Lady Man Yeah Stilt Lady

I'm not sure the branding is helping her there The Stilt Man branding But Right She's obviously an idiot Because she's decided to emulate The Stilt Man

So whatever her name is going to be It's going to be terrible anyway Let's you know Yeah So slack there I like the idea of the blimp. Like, that's... He needs an upgrade.

He does, you know? Exactly. It gives him that kind of, like, that, you know, high class kind of thing, you know? If he guys don't want to skip vehicle, I think that's, that's a big class. Yeah.

I dig it. I dig it. He's a lot more offensive, like, minded now, rather than, you know, just trying to steal stuff and get away or whatever. He's like killing villains not, or heroes, so he's like proactive, like, trying to kill people, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if he's had that murder streak before in the comics, but, you know, it's about time that he developed it. I agree. I agree. All right, well. Corey, great.

Well, I was going to say, we have about hit the hour mark, so we're going to do our last ones in a very quick lightning round style. So pretty much just who it is, what you're changing, and going for it. Sound good? Mine's going to take forever. All right, well, I'll go first. My third one was Metalhead. Metalhead was a character that showed up in an issue of,

he was either Detective Comics or Batman in the 1970s. he is a dude in a metal suit that is covered in spikes and he has like a bladed whip on top of his head he was like a crony for black mask that went a couple of rounds of Batman and ultimately lost and I don't think it was ever seen again my improvement liquid metal make him the T-1000 and that's my pitch

wow perfect boy you you might do that real quick I told you real quick lightning round he literally metal man yep liquid metal Okay. I don't know if I can make mine that quick. But I got the Grizzly. Grizzly started off life as a wrestler.

He worked for the Unlimited Class Wrestling Federation. That's the popular Wrestling Federation and Morpaw Comics. But J. Jonah Jameson ran an article about how violent he was and how he would use a lot of underhanded tactics and violence to really destroy his opponents. And that ruined his life. Jay Jonah Jameson loves ruining people's lives So

The grizzly ended up Getting fitted with an extra skeleton Of a actual grizzly bear He would wear and use it for a life of crime And lost to Spider-Man a bunch of times So my way to Try to rehabilitate the Man dressed like a bear

He used to be a pro wrestler Is that time has passed Since he once lost his job as a pro wrestler It's not 2025. And he starts up his own wrestling company to rival the UCWF, which is more about violence. You realize that the climate in professional wrestling has changed significantly. And people, Corey's ahead of me,

that people like a lot more violence. People like it when they see somebody getting choked to death with a plastic bag. They like that kind of realism to their violence. And the grizzly realizes that, once upon a time in the 80s, I was vilified for this, but now with TikTok and internet and people's attention spans, they crave this violence. So he starts up his own company and he realizes that under the pretense of pro wrestling, he can do whatever he wants because the precedent is there. If he wants to choke a guy with a plastic bag, he can. If he wants to hit them with light tubes

and stab them with a screwdriver and cut them up with glass, he can do that because under the weird rules of pro wrestling, that's a lot. And if somebody goes, that's not a lie, you can go, yes it is, because it's fake, so it's not real violence, and B, the other guy in the match knew what was happening and signed up for it and

willingly said that it was okay. So, in no way is to be held accountable for any of the violence that happens in his ring. And so he just lets out all the anger that he's had built up in him for 30 years and just beats the shit out of people live on television and makes so much money and merchandise.

He gets people, criminals, to invest in his company to set it up. They laundering their money, put it into the company, that money comes back to them in terms of ticket sales and merchandise. They're happy, they're getting their money back. Grizzly's happy because his company's making money. They're wild on the internet. He's suddenly becoming a big deal. Other criminals see him being a vicious man and think that's a good bodyguard to have. This guy, he'll beat the shit at anybody. He doesn't mind. He's violent.

Lower level criminals are like, stay away from that guy. He's a grizzly. He'll fucking kill you. Spider-Man is like, I got to stop him. I'm going to answer your tournament and beat you up. Grizzies like, I'm not having it. No superhuman superheroes lied. Supervillains, come on in.

I'll beat them up, sure. But superheroes always screw stuff up. You're not allowed. Go to the other wrestling company. I'm not having that. This is for the sickos. You guys ain't the sickos. These are the good guys.

Spider-Man tries to appeal to Grizzies kind of like identity by saying, Hey man, wouldn't you love the ability to legally beat up Spider-Man in the middle of the ring? But Grizzis, like, I might be stupid. I'm not that stupid. I'm not falling for it.

So now, Spider-Man has to sit back and watch as the Grizzly becomes just this crazy, violent character legally. He can do nothing about it because of the crazy world of pro wrestling he just has to sit there and watch the grizzly become a huge, violent star, by

beating up other people and thereby he gets jobs as an enforcer, a bodyguard with other high level criminals. So that was the grizzly one. That was the easiest one to write, like by far. I don't know, it just

came to me somewhere. He's like stapling people's tongues. I was trying to be like I was trying to be like what's a good name for his company like the alternative entertainment wrestling company you know trying to like

something like that maybe you know I do like that I'm just going to hear your tournament no you won't I will not allow it there's no way Spider-Man is going to be allowed into the tournament you know Then Peter Parker wouldn't be allowed in either because, like, why is Peter Parker suddenly beating the shit of the guy stronger than him?

There you go. It doesn't make any sense. Hmm. There you go. There you go. Always bringing it back to wrestling one way or another. We'll get there. Smart Avengers, dude.

If I can't book the Grizzly in a pro wrestling storyline, then it's Oliver Noth. There you go. I've wasted my life. I don't you mean? This is literally the only thing I know on about. All right, John. This is your last guy. who you got?

I got Zebra Man. Delivered like Charlie Brown on Halloween. I got a rock. Good luck. I mean, Jesus Christ, what the fuck is this guy? He is, well, there's been four versions of this character, I believe. Can I tell you that's the part that blows me away that there's been four people? Three other people were like, well, that Zebra Man identities are.

up for grabs. Right. Like you were like this is the worst guy in the world four people thought there was a great idea. There you go.

For the record there were only two kangaroos. You were saying John? Too too many. So yeah the zebra man the original zebra man was a scientist

who made a machine which allowed him to attract and repel literally anything. He referred to it as dire magnetism, where he could, like, push over objects or push people back or push through walls and doors and stuff, or alternatively, like, make jewelry or whatever, like, come to him. So, yeah, that was his original powers. Over the years, it's sort of become more of a force field-based power. like certainly in the most recent, like, appearances of Zepperman in the DC Comics,

he has, he's basically been employed to, like, protect other people, basically. So, yeah, obviously that's a pretty good defensive power rather than offensive, but it's not that good when it comes to actual villainy. But I figure, you know, maybe that's something we can play with because his force fields are strong enough to kind of, like allow him to travel underwater in like a little air pocket. So if it's powerful enough to hold back the ocean around him, then why can't he make them,

or put them to use to kind of use that power to kind of crush things getting back to crushing stuff again so I figured like yeah why not you know put a force field around president's head and say I demand a billion dollars

or I'm going to crush the president's head or if he wanted to like you know really make a name for himself he could put Batman in a force field and just like crush him into a ball and then you know he could say I kill Batman and everyone would be like holy shit he's every man he is he's pretty good and that's it's a fair point though like if a guy can do that against Batman why doesn't he just do that against Batman exactly limited vision for himself I mean, yeah, you've got to think outside the box with these things.

Yeah, I think outside the button. I mean, that's, I think that's part of the problem with these villains. Is it like limited intelligence? It seems to be a theme with a lot of these guys. Like, Stiltman, the hippo. The hippo is an excuse. He was literally hippopotamus. Yeah.

Stiltman, come on, dude. Zabberman, like. Water wizard. I mean, it seems like a lot of people are, like, I have these, I have a gain of these abilities that while they're not as impressive as other people, it's still better than 99% of humanity. And, like, I'm just going to use it for petty crime. Yeah. For nothing else.

Limited vision. Yeah. I think so. I think that's a problem with a lot of the villains that we had. We might have been projecting, like, way too many smarts onto it. Hey. Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll be in the stars.

or whatever. Close to the moon. You'd be closer to the moon than you were previously. Be in space where you can't breathe. Die. Great. I think that was... I think we did a great job.

I think we really like Neil on this. I think we did too. I think we did too. So if you have any thoughts on our interpretations of how we can improve these villains, or if you had an idea that we ran opposed to that, or if you have other villains, you think we should look into,

you know, leave a comment. Hit the bell. Who do you think was the best? Oh, who do you think is the best? Yes, do a lot of it. Who do you think it was the best? And then also the subscribe thing and then share it arrived and stuff.

Yeah. But yeah, right down he'd think was the best one. You know, it was me. You know who is probably the best of watching movies amongst us? John. John, how many movies have watched so far this year? Oh, I am now up to

483. You know, you are going, if you keep at this pace considering it's, you will probably hit a thousand at this pace. I know you're probably going to slow down though because festival season's coming up. Yeah, yeah. I've been going a bit overboard the last couple weeks or so. Like I think the last time I recorded with you guys, I was on 400. And that was, what, like two weeks ago? So I've watched a lot of movies.

100 episodes. But like you say, yeah. Yeah. It's going to slow down in the next month or two. But, you know, a good base.

It's a chance. I could hit 1,000. What was the last one you watched? It was the last airbender. Fucking dreadful. The M. Night Shyamalan Avatar movie? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, there you go. Just the worst dialogue, the worst acting. It was, oh my God, it was awful. Well, if you want to hear some... What was it twist at the end? The twist at the end was there was, like, a main bad guy's daughter appeared, and then apparently she's something,

but, like, if you don't know the TV series, it was like, who is this girl? I don't know her. And it's setting up for a sequel, which never happened. So it was like, well, okay. It's not much of a twist, and it's not much of teas either. So, good job. Yep, great stuff. There you go.

Well, if you want to see more in-depth looks at that movie and other movies that John has watched, because I know John is a writer, he's probably posted some pretty detailed reviews of what he liked and what he didn't like. John, where can they find those reviews? They can find them on Letterbox at Big John Bowsky, or one word. and Dylan tell everybody what you get up to one night a week from 9 to 11

well some nights I'm going to tell you what I do but I assuming me on Monday nights yes on 9 to 11 I do a radio show where I play a lot of fun music that I like that evidently not everybody likes

according to fan feedback but I play a lot of fun stuff I play a lot of like grungy music and just whatever I like it's a lot of fun it's available online, wherever you are in the world. If you go to www.boundsidigitalradio.co.com. You can watch in your web browser, you can listen to it wherever you are in the world. We'll probably put a link in the description.

I've played bands like Pearl Jam, Alison Chains, Jane's Addiction, Sun Garden, Blind Melon, even Bowie, Kate Bush, Blur, so many, like, just stuff. And then there'll be bands that I find that you probably haven't heard before. that might be a surprise. I played one recently called Caligula's Horse,

which I love the name of that band. That's just fantastic. So there's a lot of like stuff you might not have heard before, which I like to share with people. So if you like music of all genres

except like recent shitty pop music, then come listen to my show. The links is in the description, I think. It will be. Yep. I think.

Yep. It's been the show. there, don't worry. And as for me, I have my other show, Large Old Cup. It's every Saturday morning on Spotify, but you just have to subscribe and it'll download automatically.

You can listen to it at your leisure. It's 29 minutes that's usually kind of a stream of consciousness where I don't know what I'm going to talk about until we get started. It's always surprising. And stuff. Anyway, that'll do us for today.

Our next episode, we're going to start our celebration of the Fantastic Four in honor of the upcoming Fantastic Four movies that are, well, a Fantastic Four movie that's upcoming. So we will be talking about the releases of

the 2000s and the 2010 Fantastic Four movie and then we'll have something special lined up for the week after. I know I am excited as somebody who enjoyed the Fantastic Four as a child. We're going to be doing the TV show.

We're going to do the cartoon. Yeah. There have been two cartoons. was there there was one in the 2000s that was kind of like almost anime looking oh yeah it was on Cartoon Network I think

I think it was called like yeah Earth's greatest heroes or something but anyway regardless we'll be talking about the Fantastic Four next week until then though we'll talk to you later goodbye bye

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