The Smark Avengers - Vol 4, Ep 5: Marvel vs. DC FIGHT NIGHT! Who Wins? (Spin the Wheel Edition)

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

🔥 Marvel vs. DC FIGHT NIGHT! Who Wins? (Spin the Wheel Edition) 🔥 It’s the ultimate crossover battle—but with a twist! In this episode of Smark Avengers, we’re letting FATE decide which Marvel and DC characters go head-to-head by spinning a wheel! Some matchups make sense… others are absolute chaos. Expect heated debates, hilarious arguments, and some truly unexpected results!🥊 WHO WILL WIN? 🥊✅ Brainiac vs. Doctor Doom? ✅ Magneto vs. Power Girl? ✅ Aquaman vs. The Juggernaut?! ✅ We spin, we argue, and things get WAY out of hand! This Marvel vs. DC showdown is one you don’t want to miss—insane debates, unexpected winners, and maybe even a few friendships ruined along the way! 💬 COMMENT below with your own Marvel vs. DC dream fights! Who do YOU think should win?🔔 LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for more comic book debates, superhero fights, and absolute madness!

Hi, everybody, welcome Spark Avengers. My name is Corey and with me here, Dylan, and John. Guys, how is it going? Good. Not too shabby. Nice. So we are on episode five of volume four. You're doing pretty great so far.

Five of four. And I didn't get any thumbs up, though, like you did earlier. I think you're just holding. There's something about how you hold your pin. I think, like, Skype doesn't read your thumb. It reads your pen. It reads my pen. Reach your pen. I don't know. It's not doing it now, though.

I'll just do loads of wacky hand gestures. We'll figure it out somewhere. Whenever it happens, we'll do like a thumb counter. And the alarm will go off. And then that's the thumb counter. So anybody in Spotify listening to this will know that the thumb appears on Skype. Sounds like a lot of work. Well, whoever's out in there is going to have a rough time, I guess.

Oh, son of a bitch. So speaking of rough edits in what? have you I don't think it'll be a rough edit and just struggling for segue so yeah we all at one point we were children I think unless some of us are eternal beings of light who have existed for always and ever John yes yep by by definition also me because the same person exactly we've established this off the air so and now we have established it on the air so yeah unless you cut this bit out in which gives well So everybody kind of remembers the ageful thing of when you're a little kid and you're talking with other little kids and you start to get on the topic of who could beat who in a fight, right?

Mm-hmm. Sure. And in volume three, we did an episode of Marvel versus DC where it was the mini series that they made trading cards out of, where the two worlds collided into combat to see who would win the most fights between the made-up characters. And coincidentally enough, not that long ago, it was announced that Marvel and DC are actually going to be putting out some joint books again soon. So they've crossed the, they've crossed the proverbial line if we're going to go with old teen A wrestling references. So I thought maybe we are. What's, what's Dylan Copeland doing in the Impact Zone? Is that my name?

No. it's Dexter Fistington Is it? No Is it still coming up Dexter Fistington? Yeah, it still says Dexter Fistington Oh, it's a shame because it changed the Tony Danza

Oh boy I'll look for next time That'll be for next time When Tony Danza turns up in the Impact Zone I will be amazed What's it? No, I don't think there's anything in the impact zone anymore because I remembered like they were they were doing like some AW like

elevation I think was in the old impact zone studio at Universal Studios but I don't think there's anything there anymore because they got they they pulled the plug on those real quick it's just haunted yeah it's haunted by the ghost of Jeff Jard I was gonna say abyss because we've not seen a bit since impact well His ghost still wants it. None of us between Jeff Jarrett either, because we don't watch A.W. I was going to say, like, they did just announce that Abyss's DLC content for the next WVE game.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. It's fucking wild. Good on him. Good for Abyss. Yeah. So anyway, back to who could win a fight between who. This segue was brought to you by WB2K sports. It's in the game.

Please sponsor us. I hope a base is on one of these wheels. All right, well, you kind of spoil the surprise. I don't know what's going to happen. Yes, there's wheels. So what we decided to do is that we were going to have one of these spirited debates that you would as a child on the playground, but we're going to add an element of randomness to it.

So we do not only have one wheel. We have two wheels. Yep, so we have two wheels, as you can see here. We have a Marvel Comics wheel that is symbolized, by our thumbnail of the most work deaths in comics. Yeah, the death of Murray Jane. Yep. And then we have the DC Comics wheel that is our Battletoads thumbnail.

Classic. The most listened to episodes of Spark Adventures. I don't know what the fuck's wrong with people. So the way we're going to play this is simple. We're just going to spin the wheel once on one wheel, once on the other wheel. And that's going to be our fight. and then we're just going to have a conversation of who we think could win that fight. Simple.

Sounds simple? So simple. So we're going to shuffle the wheels up. Dylan, how many times should we shuffle the Marvel Comics wheel? Oh, hold on. We are short a person. We need to have 20 names. Put a Biss on this.

No, we're not going to put abyss. Although the T&A wrestling figures from that 2000s period, was made by Toy Biz, which also made the Marvel figures, and that you could find, like, comparable parts if you were the type 2 kit bash, if you will. So anyway, pick a Marvel Comics character to put on the wheel. What do you think, John? We got on there already.

We got Boom, the Hulk, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Mr. Fantastic, Captain Marvel, Storm, Jean Grey, Scarlet Witch, Magneto, Jogonaut, Dr. Doom, mystique carnage Mr. Sinister, Mowdog Dr. Octopus, the leader who's up a bit, like, near the top of the list? Captain America, Ironman, Hulk.

Yeah. Hmm. So we need 20 names. We only got 19. How about Deadpool? Deadpool. It is. All right.

So we got 20 names. Dylan. How many times are you going to shuffle the wheel. Five. Two, three, four, five. In our DC Comics wheel, John, you want to read off who's on there? There we have Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, the Flash, Power Girl, Zatanna, Martian Manhunter, Booster Gold, the Joker, Lex Luthor, Lobo, Poison Ivy, Gorilla Grod, the Cheetah, Brainiac, General Zod, Deathstroke, and Staro. And Dylan, how many times we're going to shuffle this wheel?

Seven. Two, three, four, five, six, seven. All right, which wheel do you guys feel like spin in first? You want to spin Marvel or DC? We're on DC. Let's spin that one first. We'll do it in alphabetical order. So our very first fight's going to be.

In the DC corner, Brainiac Superman villain. Antagonist of the Suicide Squad kills the Justice League game and Injustice 2. And let's spin the Marvel Wheel. Brainiac will be doing battle with... Oh, oh. Doctor Doom. Oh, dear. That's a nice little fight there.

All right, so real quick, you guys are more of the Marvel people. Tell me about Dr. Doom. What is pertinent about Dr. Doom in a fight? He's got a suit of armor, and he also knows magic. Yeah. And he has robots that sometimes fight in his behalf. He's super smart as well. Yes, he's incredibly intelligent and incredibly vengeful and bitter.

But he also has, like, his entire country. that he can like call upon for it to do his bidding as well and I assume those people love him I think he's got diplomatic immunity as well yeah so that helps in a fight that really helps it means he can do whatever he wants without fear of being punished

and he has done he's very very clearly taken advantage of that is that it I think so I think we covered the main points I don't know which else there is. So here's what you need to worry about in Dr. Victor von Doom that you may or may not have covered. I'm on the Marvel database. I thought I would just hit you with the powers.

We don't need to necessarily go into the history unless you want to. He can access to speed force. Yeah, access to speed force. He has been handsome, then ugly, then handsome, than ugly. That happens to him quite a bit. I don't think that's the power. I wouldn't. I mean, he has done it to himself multiple times.

Oh my gosh. He has so much history. All right. So, Dr. Doom, first off, magician. He is a master of Mr. Gertz taught by his mother, who is of Romani and Latvarian blood. He had made some sort of a deal with Morgan Lafay, did you not? Sure. I believe so. I think they had a relationship as well at some point.

That's what you don't want. So he has some minor. psychic abilities on top of the spell casting. He has access the power cosmic that he stole from the Silver Surfer. He has borrowed the Beyonder's power. He has tapped into the Phoenix Force at some point. But basically, he's a super genius. He's expert in hand-to-hand combat, peak human conditioning, very determined motherfucker,

charismatic leader. As you know, he is the ruler of his country, Latvaria, has mastered. multiple different weapons. But this is actually the Marvel database actually gives us a couple of weaknesses. So we'll see those for last. On the opposite end of the problem, yeah, I mean, suit of armor, that's going to be a bitch.

We have Vril Doc, Vril Drox, who is the Brainiac. Brainiac 1. Basically, he is an artificial life form that is cybernetically enhanced. He's able to tap into machinery and control it. He's telepathic. He has superhuman strength, durability, speed. He is technically immortal. He can regenerate his body. He has reproduced spawn in multiple different versions of Brainiac afterwards. He has actually tapped into time itself and formed an alliance with other versions of himself as well. So also, genius level intellect, as the name Brainiac would suggest. And he does not have a country. He operates out of a giant fucking skull ship.

And he has a nasty little habit of collecting things and shrinking them down and putting them into big bottles. So the bottled Cindy of Candor came from Brainiac. So does not list any weaknesses for Brainiac, but obviously hubris is one of them, as you would assume. But that also applies to Dr. James, I would imagine. Certainly does. Also has a major bit of a major ego.

It also lists that Dr. Doom has made a deal with Mepesto that has You know every now and then he's got to fight My fight Mephesto try to get his mom back So that's counted as a weakness for some reason I don't know why Because you need him to do something and you're like Where is he? Oh, he's up in hell fighting Mepesto again

Yeah, surely it makes them stronger keeping you know having to fight the devil I'm going to fight the devil repeatedly Yeah So Brainiac is responsible for the destruction and databasing of countless planets, kind of like Galactus. He doesn't consume them. He does destroy them. And he only keeps the,

he usually keeps a city around in a bottle. And the reason is basically Brainiac Horde's knowledge. He is a living database. So that is kind of his modus operandi. It's also his bit of weakness is that. Brainiac strives to be the smartest living life form, and a lot of that involves hoarding knowledge that no one else can never achieve. So he is responsible, like I said, again, for the deaths of millions, several planets destroyed because of his actions. So if you had to have a fight between Dr. Doom and Brainiac, the first thing I think of that's going to be a problem is Brainiac's going to try to assimilate and take Latvaria and put it in a bomb.

model. Okay. That's not the first thing I thought of. What's recent you thought of? The first thing I thought of, whenever you were reading off his, his pretty typically for DC, vast list of powers, including access to the speed force, was that he could, like, tap into a manipulate machinery. Yes. Which would be a big problem for Dr. Doom with his suit of armor and his doom box. That would be... That would be an issue. That would be an issue.

Right off the bat, I'm like, that signs like that's going to be a sticky situation. Yeah. So, Brayak also has access to multiple drones that he's able to basically throw out in waves. Of course he does. Yeah. It just has access to everything. He's too. Yeah.

He's like one of those guys like, oh, actually, you know, you can shoot me, but I have like class nine armor. So he can't actually. He's really handsome. Yeah. Yeah. And he never like got ugly once. He was always handsome, so. No, there's some fucking horrific versions of Brainiac out there.

As horrific as a beast, I don't think so. Well, so who voiced him? I can't remember who was his voice. He voiced himself. I mean, Lance Hendrickson voiced him previously. Voiced him. Yes. Stephen Frye contributed to his voice.

Jeffrey Combs is who I was thinking of. When I think of Brainiac, I think of Jeffrey Combs. Nice. Yeah. Some Herbert West in that voice says for sure. Will that be the finding factor? No, no. I was just thinking of like when I think of Brainiac, what version am I thinking of?

Because like you said, there is but one doom as well. There's been, I would say what, three dooms. There's comics doom. There's Fox movies doom with old guy from Niptuk. and now we're going to have Robert Dyni Jr. Doom. Yeah. So, yeah. So the issues for Doom is going to be Brainiac can control his technology and his weapons and also bottle up Latvaria.

That seems pretty conclusive right there. That seems... I don't know, though. Well, is Bruniac immune to magic? I don't think he is. That's the one area on this side. I don't think Brainiac has an answer for his magic. Brainiac's used to fighting Superman, and Superman has a weakness to magic.

So Brainiac has never had to deal with magic before. Interesting. So I mean, that is an angle on this for sure that would be in Doom's favor. Because especially right, if we take Doom right now, where he's sorcerer supreme. Yeah. And one nation, was it one world under Doom? Is that the name of the event, John? I think so.

Sure. Yeah. That's, the lad adds a little wrinkle into the plan. Mm-hmm. Doesn't it? The magic. Because like I said, at the beginning,

it seemed pretty cut and dry. It seemed like Brady Act with his power over robots and his propensity to take things and shrink him down into bottles for some reason. That's hard to beat. But the magic could, like, swing it in Doomspeaver?

I don't know. I mean, naturally, because I'm a Marvel character, I want to vote for a doctor to. But this one's a lot closer than you would think it is. I was really surprised because there's definitely going to be some styles clashes on that wheel. Yeah. I mean, you know, like the Joker's on there, Cheetahs on there.

And then you also have like Deadpool and Storm. So I mean, there's going to be. So the fact that we have like two two big bads, like two ending game big bads that are super intelligent. and super dangerous, going against each other in the first fight is surprising. We can just call it here. John O'John, John, do you want to weigh in on that? Well, I'm sort of leaning towards

Dr. Doom just for the reason that like even when he loses in the comics, he still finds a way to, like, win. Like, even if it's like a small victory or whatever, or just escaping to, you know, fight

another day or, like, He can like pull stuff out the bag when the odds are against him. So I think that kind of works in his favor a little bit. And like we were saying, the magic as well. Yeah. You know, magic is a big thing. I think he could just, you know, use his magic to open a portal and send Brainiac off to some other dimension. And then that's it, fight over.

He could do that. He could do that, yeah. Yeah. The one thing to John's point, though, whenever you were talking about how Dr. Dome always finds a way to like, even if he loses, he finds a way to like kind of turn it into a moral victory for him somehow. Then couldn't you see that actually happening where Bruniac does win? But Doom, despite losing, turns it into like all about him somehow. Yeah. So it's like, it's a technical victory for Bruniac, but it's a moral victory for Dr. Dume.

Yeah, I mean, I could easily. see like he allows Ladvary to be captured, he's put in the bottle on top of the skull ship, but now he's like, all right, cool, now I'm inside of this technologically advanced spaceship that I just need to get out of this bottle and then I can take this for myself.

Yes. It seems like a very doom thing. The levels of manipulation are there, you know? You could even say, like you said, you could make it seem like doom through the fight in order to move things along further in life to his advantage.

possibly you know yeah so do you think it's just a oh sorry go ahead Dylan well I was going to sum things up as well

like yeah you know yeah and not like what will we say like a technical victory for Braniac but like a

moral victory for doom yeah I think it depends on how fast how fast can the fight start because like

if Doom is given time to think of like to realize what's going on and start accessing magic, then I think you run into a problem there. But if Brainiac can surprise and overwhelm, then Brainiac could win on the technical victory.

Yeah, that's true. Okay, so what do we think? I mean, I'd go Brainiac, I think. You know, I'm going to stick on my idea in that Briniac probably wins, like the fight, but Doom lives another day. That's what I'm going to say. Okay.

So, Breonna technically wins. There we go. He doesn't really win. All right. So fight two, are we spinning in Marvel or DC? Also, can you see the wheels still? Just want to make sure that we're there. Yes.

Yep, yep, yep. All right, cool. Do you want to spend Marvel or DC first this time? You just go time a bite? Sure. Okay. We're spinning the DC wheel. and our next fighter is going to be.

Oh, okay, booster gold, the greatest hero you've never heard of. And representing Marvel Comics in the opposite corner, we have... I hope it's Modoc. Oh, no. Wow. Scarlet Witch. Hmm. All right.

Well, this one may not be as even, may not be as even, because this fight could start and end very quickly depending on what booster does first. And that is if he tries to hit on Spawn Wanda, where the fight is over. Is Booster Gold a mutant? No, because... He does not have any powers that are his own.

Okay. Yeah. So, Booster Gold. is a time traveler from the future. Except in his future, he works as a janitor for a superhero museum. And he realizes that there's all this equipment around him.

He could just easily steal a time machine, go back in time, and make himself a superhero based off of his knowledge of what happens in the future and all of this future, like, technology and powers that he's able to have access. So that's his. plan and he goes back in time and becomes booster gold. Booster has tech so he can generate force fields. He can shoot out beams from his wrists.

He has a Legion flight ring that allows him the ability to fly. And he has a little robot buddy named Skeets who helps him out with all of his various. Skeets almost acts like a parent to him and tries to keep Booster gold down to earth. In the Justice League cartoon, Dylan, you would be amused to find that Billy West is voiced of Skeets. Good. Back on board. Back on board. Now, we all know Wanda.

And we all know why it was like, you know, started to laugh a little bit. We saw Wanda's name come up. Wanda is, well, is she a mutant right now? I don't think she is technically. No, not anymore. Once a mutant, maybe a mutant again, who knows. But Wanda has the ability, again, of magic. and more specifically bending reality.

She also has precognobilities, flight, telekinesias, congenerated forest fields, telepathy. She is very, very powerful, also not terribly and mentally sound prone to outbursts and breakdowns. And on the opposite end, booster gold, for all intents of purposes, is kind of stupid. He's a bit of a meathead. He's a jock. He usually more often than not, if it's a writer that is feeling generous, Booster Gold is the kind of guy who just plays a fool because it makes it easy for people to overlook him. And in other representations, he's just stupid.

So in a fight between a man from the future with all of the knowledge of the past and technology that makes him consider a superhero in the present versus a person who may or may not be a mutant, depending on what time of day it is and has the ability to alter reality who do we think is going to win? I mean, I would say probably the Scarlet Witch. You reckon?

Yeah. But she doesn't have a skeets though. Ah, shit. Couldn't she like... They have a little robot, buddy. Couldn't she alter reality to the point where she does and Boosty goal doesn't?

Oh, there you go. There you go. Don't. Yeah, it's almost like playing with a cheat code. Yeah. It would take, it would take, like, somebody real powerful to, to take Scarlet Witch off the board. Yeah, that's, that's a tough one.

Yeah. It's almost like if we looked at the DC wheel, like, who could theoretically beat Scarlet Witch? Brainiac? Superman. But we eat to magic. All right. Well. I think it would have to be the Flash.

Oh, you speed for us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think of her brother. Yeah. I reckon Batman could do it because Batman always wins. Batman always wins.

He's got no part. Does Batman have prep time? That's always the argument. Does Batman have prep time? Then yeah, he could absolutely beat the 1986 Denver Broncos. He could be honest with. Thank you, John. Invincible.

Yeah, so that one seems a bit cut and dry, huh? That Scarlet Witch is not going to make a long day out of beating up booster gold. What she has to say is no more booster gold and then that's it. Yeah, exactly. We're a booster gold and she's done. Yeah, and then, but then in that new reality, there will be nobody there to be like, I remember reality when there was a booster gold and bring it back again. They'll just be like, oh, this is great.

Yeah. Off you go. They don't have their own Layla Miller. Yeah, because they don't need it. They're like, oh, dude, turns out life with that booster gold actually better. We don't really feels that way. well skeets doesn't skeets is a big fan of booster

I can see why but then as we said in this reality Scarletweights not high skeets yes she does all right so we're going to spend the DC wheel one more time that was a fun one yeah sometimes it's going to be as complicated as you think

this may be one of those times because it is Gorilla Grod yes it is from DC. And on the Marvel side, Gorilla Grod will be facing off against. Oh, I'd love to read this. Spider-Man.

Spider-Man versus Gorilla Grod. All right. Well, I'm going to let you guys talk about Spider-Man. I think we can all unanimously agree and who's going to win this one. Spider-Man. Guerilla Grod fights. Guerilla-Grod fights the Flash.

It's going to be Spider-Man. Spider-Man is going to win. because Spider-Man's entire MO is fighting animal-based villains. Yes. That's his whole thing. He fights people who are animal-based vultures. Rhinos, chameleons, octopuses, chokers. Shockers, goblins, of all varieties, as we all know.

Scorpions. Mm-hmm. so many he's fought the red ghost before he's fought apes he's done this Spider-Man is

Taylor Mead for this Gorilla Grod can have all the powers of Speed Force that he wants Spider-Man it's gonna be hard to find a better one for Spider-Man to go up against

I think so real quick I will tell you a little bit about Gorilla Gras He's a gorilla He is a He is a genius level intellect, expert combat.

He has telekinesis, he has telepathy, so he can control other people. He can control animals. He can put his mind in other people's bodies and he can sense thoughts. He also has superhuman strength and superhuman durability. And just to give you some information, Gorilla Grod is from the city that is made up of other sentient guerrillas called Gorilla City and he's a criminal

in Gorilla City because everybody else in Gorilla City are very peace-loving people but not Gorilla Grod also you should know that he is separated from his spouse What's her name? Marry Jane Made a deal

some asshole and the Spine was like my girlfriend's called Mary J. too and then they stop fighting and they go and they stop fighting hug it out. They do he does have two children he has his son drug and his other son gorbel mammet

and he is a grandfather his grandson is named Sam Simeon okay all right a different surname yeah well I mean you know did you have the same

last name as one of your as both of your grandparents I would have the same name as the meal grandpa But no, the other one. Do you have two male grandparents? You have two grandfathers. They're all dead.

Oh, same. Dude, I'll be honest with you. They die long before I could ask them this question. Granddad, would you name me, Sam Simeon? Granddad, who do you think would win in a fight between Spider-Man and Corrilla Graw? He's like, well, it's Spider-Man, obviously. Spider-Man does have a lot of experience fighting animal-based. criminal so yes that's this whole gimmick mm-hmm that is his gimmick all right so we're

gonna agree then that spider-band is going to be grill agrod I feel like that one's pretty cut and dry right are we all we all agreement I think we're all in agreement okay so so far DC has Brainiac on technical victory Scarlet Witch winning and Spider-Man winning I love the way that we've done this you can say that yes it's two to one to Marvel but we also we also fix it to was really three to zero to Marvel. Yeah, it's really, because like, you know how opportunistic doom is? And again, like I said, it depends on how quick he can get the magic going.

Yeah. All right, so we're going to spend the DC will. He's really the winner, you know. It's a DC of a lot of cry. Corey, the problem is you're in a podcast with two other Marvel guys. So we were trapped in a diplomatic, but we're not. All right, well, we got Superman. Oh, this might change things.

This could go a direction. We have taken Scarlet Witch off the board. She was one of the big magic users, so we'll see who else is going. Dr. Doom is also off the board. Also off the board. So could he beat? Yes. Yeah.

He could beat the leader. Wait a minute, though. Let's debate this. Let's debate it. What's to debate? The leader is got a big head. That's a bigger target to him. Tim Blake Nelson plays him.

He can use his big Breyan to think of a way to kill Superman. While he's thinking about that, Superman's used his super speed to put him in jail. Who can move? Can Superman move quicker than the leader can use his

quick breons to think of something? Yes. He is as fast as the flash. Well, but how fast is the leader thinking of things? He might be too fast at thinking of things, but then he's got to put those thoughts into action afterwards.

Why he's so fast to thinking of things that he already thought of a way to beat Superman? Okay, you stump me there. You know what you mean? So, we have telepathy, telekinesis, gamma radiation projection, self-resurrection,

consumptive learning, gamma mutate mental possession, below place access and occlusion. Yes. Also, the leader's weaknesses are arrogance, immaturity, impatience, and obsession with defeating the Hulk. Which won't factor into beating up Superman because it's not him. But the arrogance, immaturity, and impatience absolutely well.

What about the bit where you said he could bring himself back from the dead? Samarant also doesn't like killing people, so he probably wouldn't kill him. Yeah. He probably put him in the phantoms zone. But surely the leader would find it. He was thinking of a way to get out of the fandom zone. He must have thought of that eventuality at some point. This world that had never been in.

Surely they have this thing called the Phantom Zone. A person created by Jorrell, one of the greatest scientific cryptonian minds. See? Because he would know that. I'm sure he would. He thought about it a lot. It was Big Brian. Yep.

I'm just saying, I don't know if the leader is a better thinker than Lex Luthor. and also a brainyack this is kind of Superman's wheelhouse much like how Spider-Man fights a lot of animal-based like Superman fights a lot of super geniuses that's true yeah

I mean we all know the fucking Superman's gonna win all right I was just trying to like put a little mystery in the right we're having a conversation about it Superman wins we had a conversation about it what a surprise the guy with all the powers wins

oh geez didn't say that we're coming yep that's unfortunately that's the case like it's like booster gold versus scarlet witch it's like well one's a janitor that got some super gadgets and the other can alter reality it's not a great right so here's our is our dc wheel up next we have ah stepping into the magic realm itself we have Zatanna and Zatana will be going up against the Hulk I just Bits a shit out of her

Oh Oh Oh That Deadpool versus Zatanna That is interesting How does How does Deadpool do against magic

Oh You know not that bad He used to He fought Trey And Trey used a lot of like Occult magic stuff against him Oh yeah And he ended up

So real quick When we know about Deadpool of course regeneration can't die Mm-hmm Zatana has access to magic I will say the weakness of Zatana is that for her to cast her spells

she has to say them backwards So he just cut her throat Yeah It's a hampering yeah That's the thing about Zatana If only the person she was fighting Had like a really big long sword That would be able to slice her throat

That's the problem is like you have to get You'd have to get close enough for her to do it And Zatana's like able to teleport and stuff too. I mean, there is a large magic base. It's because you also say the same thing about Wanda versus Booster Gold. Booster could have just hit her with an energy beam from across the field.

Well, Deadpool, I don't know if he still does. He used to have a teleporting belt. Yeah, yeah. I don't think he does anymore. He certainly used to. I do remember he used to use it all the damn time, though. Yep. So, I don't know, man.

Plus, if that's the argument that Deadpool could just shoot her from across the thing too. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, it really depends. Like, what's their, uh, our gap? How big a distance are they away from each other? Does she have enough time to say something backwards? But it depends what thing is she saying backwards. Her spells aren't complicated. It is not, it's not like a doctor strange from the hoary hoths of haggoth or whatever. It's usually just what she wants to happen, but said backwards.

So if she was saying, you know. True. I mean, all she has to say is the word teleport but backwards, like a David Lynch film, and then she's teleported. But how does she know that she's teleporting her style, but not the person she's targeting? It's also what she's thinking as well.

Like, it's about intention. So to get to Grant Morrison on you, if you're going to cast magic, you have to cast it with intention. Okay. I still think that would be shooting in the head. Probably. I'm not disagreeing

I mean he is a mercenary And she again is also used to fighting magic Other magic users Yeah he's definitely done that before So a real question if we don't use Zatana Do you think John Constantine would do any better? No Nope

Okay I was curious like if it was just like Because Constantine would fight dirty Deadpool would also fight dirty Yeah, yeah He'd probably also ask him out on a date Deadpool? No, Constantine. Yeah, well, Deppo will probably go. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is they might actually just end with them on going on a date.

Yeah, but then after that, Deppo will kill him. Probably. But I mean, at that time, who knows, maybe he would have fallen in love. I mean, Constantine used to date King Shark, and that is canon. Yeah, but Constantine hasn't seen what Deppel looks like under the mask. It puts a lot of people out. But what I just said is he had sex, regularly with a shark man.

Right, but that's different from having sex with a guy that looks like Deadpool. I'm just saying, like, if you're willing to sleep with an anthropomorphic shark, yeah, if you're willing to sleep with an anthropomorphic shark, I also feel like some of that other stuff won't bother you as much. I mean, maybe it's a sexy shock. Who knows? I don't know. Oh, it's, it's King Shark.

He's got a crime. He's a royalty. That's pretty, like, that would be attractive, I think. Yeah. royalty yeah yeah no i mean not necessarily see it also kind of depends on what version of king shark we're talking about here because like suicide squad king shark he is like the brain of a child and he's voiced by silvestre still alone you probably shouldn't talk about one then i wouldn't i would hope not that would feel weird that would feel weird yeah i don't think that's that would be weird

so anyway that was a long roundabout way of saying that basically deadpool will beat a magic user It's going to be Deadpool. Yeah. Glad we could all come to that. All right. Let's head on over to the DC wheel. And our next fighter is. Oh, this would have been perfect.

Oh, wow. Deathstroke the Terminator. Really, really, though. I would love to see Deadpool versus Lobo. Well, maybe next time. Who's going to fight the Terminator? The person who's going to be fighting against Deathstroke, the Terminator is storm. Oh.

Now, much like Deadpool, Deathstroke gets tasked with killing superhumans all the time. She has an omega-level mutant, though. So, oh. She could just, like, frost him to death. True, but he also has that same thing that Deadpool had against Zatanna, which is he could just shoot her. Yeah, but what if she's flying?

He could still shoot her. But she's like, she's like, dude, she can control the wind and she can fly. He's all over the place. He's also an expert sniper. Okay. Like, you know what I'm saying it's the same argument.

I'm saying it's the same. Yeah, Santana could fly too. It's the same argument for Zatna. We're talking about that. We're talking about death stroke. Yes. That's who we're talking about.

Deadpool was shamelessly based on. We've moved on. Storm can fly. You didn't mention that in the far shit. So that's what I'm saying. It's the same. It's the same argument in theory. the same argument.

It's totally... How is it not the same argument? You didn't bring that up in the first thing. So how can we make that argument at the last go, Ryan? You can't make an argument about the distance between the two. You said they could teleport. Yes, she can. She can also fly.

That teleported and teleporting and also flying are two different things, John. I agree. I'm also, but I'm also saying that has nothing to do with this, though. Deathstroke is an expert level sniper. He gets paid to kill people. I think a woman flying in the sky is not going to be as much a challenge in that regard. Oh, but a man playing in the sky would be right? Yes, I don't think it would imagine a challenge room either.

You give him distance at a sniper rifle. He's going to get the job done. But then you could give, you know, Stone could be shooting bolts of lightning at him from a distance as well. True, but he also, like, Deathstroke also has what we like to call heavy plot armor. What is that you call it? He is a one-eyed man who has routinely fought against superheroes and come out still living and sometimes winning. I don't understand how or why. Deathstroke has plot armor.

Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me pause this here, okay? Also, voice by Ron Perlman. That's just for fun, though. Is that going to factor the things? No, but if it didn't for Jeffrey Combs, then it shouldn't for Ron Perlman. Let's go with the scenario where yes, Storm could fly, but Deathstroke is a, an immaculate sniper. Yes.

So he's on the grind. Doesn't matter where Storm is he can, shoot a bullet at her, right? Yeah, he can zero in. Stick with that, right? Couldn't she just use the wind to knock that bullet off course? Yeah.

But it also depends if she knows that she's getting sniped, though. I mean, that's the thing. If she's fighting this guy who's an expert sniper, she's going to have a, like, he's also an assassin. He is going to try to shoot her. He's an assassin though.

Like the whole point of an assassin to assassinate someone is the other person seldom knows it's coming. So you think he would just shoot her in the back of the head? Oh, I think he absolutely would. Duststroke is not like a, it's not like the ego maniacal. Like I have to beat you in hand-to-hand combat. No, he wants to just get paid. He's paying him to kill Storm. Whoever's hiring a pay store?

Probably, I don't know. The government? He'd do it for the government. It's always a government. The Marvel United States government, they're like, listen, that woman-terformed bars. They hate women, they hate black people. Get rid of her. Yeah, she's two-part.

Immigrants. The big three, she hits all the boxes. Get her out of here. Get her out of here. We don't got time for diversity in today's United States. Get that shit out of here. No, no. Diversity is fine.

It's DEI that we don't like. Like, I'll talk to you off camera about that one. That's fucking stupid. You don't have to. I feel like that message has been made light and clear. Okay. But yeah, yeah, no. I don't think that's an easy one.

I don't think it's an easy one. Because again, it's Deathstroke, who's an expert level assassin who routinely hunts after superheroes. I feel like he would probably come into the fight prepared for anything Storm could throw at him. the difference is is Storm holding back or not, because Storm is a mega level. So if Storm's not going to hold back, then she could very easily take care of the fight. But Storm's always someone who practices self-restraint. I mean, I don't know, man. Like Storm is like you said in a mega level.

She's also been the leader of like a lot of X-Men teams. She's been on like, well, she's been an Avengers, whatever. Like she's currently an Avenger, yeah. Yeah. So like she knows how to like, Handler 7 a fight a lot. Like, she's, she's, you know, she knows what she's doing.

She's no rookie. I think that, I don't know. What, John, what do you think? I think Corey's won me over. Like, when they first came up, I was Team Storm all the way. But then, yeah, now that Corey's laid it out there,

like, I think Deathstroke would be better prepared to kind of take Storm out from a distance. And I think you'd be more prepared as well to kind of do whatever it takes. Whereas like Corey was saying, Storm is more likely to be sure and restraint and whatnot. So, yeah, I thought Storm originally, but no, I'm going for death stroke now. Okay.

That's why I will concede. I still think that now just that I still think that now just leads us to we do need to have a Deadpool versus death stroke. Well, yeah. I'm sure it's happened, but we need an official version. I mean, yes, I guess that if, you know, if Deadpool was clearly the victor in his thing, that the DC equivalent of Deadpool. The guy he's based on? Yes.

If you say equivalent. I mean, he's the guy that he, for all intents and purposes, was that Rob Lifell just change some colors around for it. Deadpool's got two eyes. That's true. No, I don't say this. Deathstroke, the character is not nearly, nearly as popular as Deadpool the character. that is obvious. Yeah.

But it's one of those things of just like, he was a rip-off of Deadpool because DC wouldn't let Rob Liefeld do Teen Titans. So he's like, fine, I'll go to Marvel, and I'll do it over there. He's a better of mine. Nobody holds a grudge like Lifeld does. That's what we've learned over the last few years.

We'll talk about that one in a different show, I imagine. They'll be a Rob Lifeld episode. Oh, yeah. There's a lot to talk about there. All right, our next contestant, the DC fight we have Powergirl

Did you share the screen? Oh, all right. We'll go ahead and re-roll that so you guys did not see. We can write that part if you want. I did not click start sharing. I hit share screen but not start sharing. Seems a little excessive.

All right, so. Okay. All right. For the DC side, we have the Princess of the Amazon is a Wonder Woman. And Wonder Woman will be fighting. The Jagadon. He's on the wheel.

That's a dream match. It's a dream match because it all depends on one or two, one factor and it changes the whole dynamic of the fight. What is that one factor? Phoenix Force, baby. Phoenix Force. If Gene Gray has access to the Phoenix Force, that's it.

That's the, fight. Yeah. If Gene Great doesn't have access to the Phoenix force, it's still a tough fight because he is telepathic and telekinetic. Again, one of Wonder Woman's major villains is Dr. Psycho, who is a thank you. I was waiting for it. Dr. Psycho, who is also a like master level telepath and, you know, mind manipulator. But yes, I mean, honestly, that's what this is. Does Gene have the Phoenix force. Does it go from a tough fight to an easy fight? But that's exactly it. The issue we have here is that it's either Daphne to Jean Grey or maybe Gene Gray. Like, but either way, like she's got a pretty good shot, you know? Yeah. I mean, Wonder Romans are on

tense purpose to God at this point. I mean, she's, the current continuity, she is half God. So it would be like, could Gene Gray take Thor and a fight? Probably. You've read. I think that'll be pretty close Well, just regular old Gene Gray Yeah She's also in the mega level Mutant on her own She's no, she's not Omega on her own

Yes, she's what? I don't think she's Omega Are you sure? Is it? Let's have a look Yeah, let's look at the made up database Let me really quickly log

into Conquick resources Under my Oh no, she is a Telekinetic So she can just move stuff with their mind really, really well. But telepath, no. Just telekinetic. So she could just move Thor somewhere else?

You go over here now. Now you're underwater. I don't know. I don't think it says, I don't want to say that I think Gene Gray could I think it would be a lot harder for Gene if she didn't have the Phoenix force for sure. harder sure I mean but that's because if she had the big force she would just blink and that's the end of the game yeah she'd blow up the whole fucking planet you know she's done before she's done it before

yeah she's kind of when I put her on the list I went I'm gonna put her just as Jean Grey because the talking point for it no matter who she goes up against is does she have the Phoenix force yeah but that that would seem to

suggest that you put her on the list as Jean Grey intentionally and not as the Phoenix. Well, no, I did that just so we could have the, we could have the conversation. Gene, Gene on her own versus Gene with Phoenix. I don't mind.

I think even, even just by herself, I think Gene Gray. I disagree. I think Wonder Woman against Gene Gray, just regular old Gene Gray, I think Wonder Woman's got that. Like Corey was saying,

she's got experience with, like, telepaths and stuff. so she'd know what she's getting into. What do you, Corey, what do you think? You think Wonder Woman? I mean, I've, I mean, yeah, I mean, I've already kind of put it out there. I think the deciding factor is does Gene have Phoenix. If Gene does, obviously, Phoenix wins.

But Gene on her own, I don't think it's, again, I think Wonder Woman can close the gap because she deals with telepaths all the time. And I think that if it's a hand-to-hand fight, Wonder Woman has that in the bag. So would you well, therefore would you not say that this is a draw? Because the argument is

on one hand, Gene Gray wins. It would be, I mean, it's a draw based on, yeah, it's a draw based on like, does one have access to their secret weapon? Right.

Versus if they don't. So, I mean, I would, I guess you could call that a draw. Because I didn't, the reason I didn't specify, it's Phoenix only

so that we could have the conversation. What do you think about that, John? I mean, yeah, it's hard to disagree with that because... I feel like a draw makes sense. Yeah. And like not a whole lot of these other ones you would have a draw with, you know? But we could actually argue like a legitimate... Kios for both of those.

Like, that kind of makes sense. It would be a draw, you know? I didn't take Wonder Roman off the list. Are we in all of these? No, we're not going to do. do all of them. Okay. How long have we been going for?

This might be our last one. Now, I think we, hang on, what time do we start? We maybe do like another one or two, right? Okay. Oh. All right. Well, we got on Aquaman.

Maybe another three, because this probably won't take too long. Does he have his water hand? Oh, please let it be against the Hulk. Almost, but it's the juggernaut. I mean, can you imagine if it was carnage? I don't know. I feel like he'd have a better shot against carnage than he would the Halt than the juggernaut.

Now, I'm going to go ahead and put it out there because we discussed it at length. Aquaman does have super strength and super durability because of having to exist at the bottom of the ocean floor. The other problem is that he is fighting the juggernaut. And we should also mention that this is adult juggernaut. This is not the baby. Okay. Adult juggernaut. This is a fully grown juggernaut.

Holy grown juggernaut. Big board. This juggernaut files his taxes. every year. He hates it. It makes him angry. He has a mortgage. He's really fucking pissed about it.

You know what you mean? Okay. How long are we going to pretend? I mean, really, like, that's, I guess I'm trying to think, like, just for the sake of argument, like, Aquaman has the, he can control aquatic life. It's not really going to help him because the juggernaut can lift and punch through anything. So even if he was, like, giant blue whale, I ain't going to do anything. It's a juggerna.

Can you like a juggernaut is punt in the war as well? Degonaut can breathe underwater. So yeah, not going to be a problem there. The magic water hand could potentially cause problems. But even then, I don't know like how it's just because it's magic. But also the juggernaut is magically powered. So yeah. Probably the community to that, you know.

Yeah. So I mean, obviously it's it's the juggernaut winning this one. And then you wonder like, why is the juggernaut not a bigger deal when you list things out that way? Because he's like he's just a member of Cyclops's team, right? now. They shouldn't he be a bigger deal? I think so. I feel like the juggernaut should be way bigger. He's supposed to be like an agent of destruction as well.

Like the whole like deal with sitirac and stuff is he's supposed to be his like avatar on earth like smashing shit up. But yeah. Well, he stood up to him recently in the comics I hear. And he said I fight. He says I fight for my friends. these people who I've been trying to kill since they were teenagers. I don't like that. Turn them into a weenie.

Oh, they have. It's one of those things again. Like, why did they have to use the juggernaut for this? There's literally, if you need a strength guy on your team, so many other options. Strong guy. Just be talking about it. If you need a strong guy and you're strong guy. Strong guy.

Right there. He's literally made it for it. Yeah, I know. The juggernaut is a total, a total baby these days. you could say I didn't realize I just set you up for that I didn't realize

I just set you up for that you didn't do what you were doing you slide apparently all right so we want to do two more depending on how quickly these go yeah that one went by pretty quick I reckon we could do another two

all right so representing DC we have a car Half a car. Power girl. No, it's a power girl. All right, this is basically the Superman conundrum again.

The issue with this one, she's got angry issues. A lot of the people on this are going to have a lot of anger issues. And she's going to go against... Oh, John. He's against Magidot. Now, all right. I'm going to say some stuff right out the game. okay.

Our deep dive into Magneto, there's one thing that we know Magneto cannot resist. Ladies. I think it's the ladies who can't resist Magneto. Thank you very much. I'm just saying. That's an active point.

Powergirl has a reputation for her build. I'm saying someone might have a hard time resisting. But no, that's not really going to be. a reputation for having sex with lots of beautiful women. So she won't be able to resist him. Maybe. Seems like.

Because the magnet thing isn't going to really be a problem for her. Cryptonian strength being what it is. And she does not have her brother, her cousin's sense of restraint. Power girl has a chip on her shoulder. Magneto is Magneto, though. And he also has several chips on his shoulder. Incredibly. So it's sort of like, Magneto is also what,

mega level because who the fuck isn't these these days it's really comes down to so it's like a mega level mutant versus a kryptonian so yeah it's not magic so it's not going to have the magnetism is not going to really play too big a factor there it just kind of depends on i guess the battleground space space i mean if that's the case i mean can magnitude can he breathe in space think so? Because like, I think Asteroid isn't he, yeah, to go to Asteroid M, he was like basically flying up and up.

He put himself in a bubble like Glinda the Good Witch and flew it up into heavens. I mean, he's done that before. Yeah. Power Girl also, there's a level of being able to breathe in space with the Kryptonians. I was going to say Kryptonians, like they can't see through

lead or something. They cannot making lead. No, no, you're correct. Lead is something they cannot see through. But then apparently lead is not magnetic, so that's not much used to magneto. Oh, that's terrible. So, okay, I don't want to say they're kind of evenly matched in the sense that their powers are oil and water. Like, they don't clash well together. No. Like I don't, I almost feel like I don't even necessarily want to call it a stale mate. Because it just seems like they are that opposite of one another

that we said it as a joke. I mean, it just kind of feels like does that old Silver Fox still got some moves in them, you know? That seems like his only chance. Yeah, 100%. Once again, it comes down to Magneto's ability that's just fuck whoever is in front of them. It's worked so many times in his favor.

It's going to work again. It looks like. I really don't want us to be that podcast where we determine a winner off of that. I would, I would say, I'd be more comfortable calling this a draw in that I don't feel like either of their powers have anything to do with each other. Because I feel like the magnetic feels, comfortable calling the draw. I mean, I honestly, I can't give Magneto the win in this one, but then. That's interesting. Well, I know. So, so, so, Dylan, why do you think Magneto could win in a fight against a Kryptonian? Well, part of it is the, the sex, for sure. Um, um,

but has somebody like we don't know if Magneto's a submissive type though I mean she is quite literally a domi mommy if you want to say so I didn't want to say that well I mean we had to address the elephant in the room and that is a big buff woman I refuse to say that I'm not going to say that

but would you say muscle mommy I don't think I would use the words that you're using at all you never use the word muscle in your life as a child did you never refer to your mother as mommy? No. Really? We live in different countries. Do you ever say mama?

No. Did you call your mom Francine? Yes, and she was very confused because that was not her name. Her mom says not Francine. Listen, let's get away from my mother. Yeah. I feel like It's territory we should not have delved into

frankly And let's address the more pertinent information Yes obviously the fucking is part of it But I think that there's other stuff So for example How often this par girl fight somebody With the abilities of Magneto I believe there is a villain whose name

I think it's Dr. Polaris Okay Because you know Magneto goes up against Freakstick this all the fucking time Like he's always going up against somebody With the kind of like Either like a crazy muscle

Or what else does she do Well she's Kryptonian So super speed strength Durability heat vision Ice breath X ray vision Magnino has He's dealt with people like this

He's one of the fucking mutants Like he this shit is like that died of doesn't to him it's all of them at the same time it is like fighting all of the X-Men in one person like would you put Magneto but would you put

Magneto against the Century because that's the equivalent of this would you say that Pargar always the equivalent of the Century Century Century Century Century is a is a Superman pastiche yeah

but not really though what do you mean not really but a pastiche sure but like it's not existed until we had an auction a couple of weeks ago. They're not, they're not like a one-to-one thing, is what I'm saying. The sentry isn't obviously exaggerated character.

Well, yeah, it's the, it's a schizophrenic version of Superman, yes. Yes. There's a lot more, like, you know, it's, it's Superman like turned up to like 11 or whatever. Not really, though. It's just Superman. It is, though. No, because it's the same power set. The only difference is that he doesn't, Superman doesn't have an evil copy of himself.

It is. Rips the god of war in half. No, I think I'm correct on this. If you look at the facts, I think you're fine that I have it, right? I, I don't know. I would say Magneto, because I feel like he has fought this kind of thing before. I don't think this is a surprise to him. I reckon he would have no qualms whatsoever of beating up a woman.

I just think that. He gives up that vibe. But I don't think he could beat her up, though. Because again, this is Kryptonian. I don't think he could beat her up in the sense of just like trading blows with him. But I feel like the one thing you can say by Magneto is he's proved himself pretty adept at figuring out ways to beat people up that isn't just beating them up. Like, okay, you know, he would have thought that he would do great against Wolverine and he was just like, I'll just rip your fucking skeleton out. You know what I mean?

Yeah, that's obvious because Wolverine has metal bones. Right, but then he does other stuff. You know, he can manipulate the iron in people's blood. He can he can do other things. he could just trap her in like an oxygen bubble and choke her to death. You know, there's, like, the way that they do Magneto's Paris as well, you can certainly say Power Girl is like crazy of a part, but the way that Marvel do weird shit with their megalo meetings is that they also go,

this is make up dumb, speed force style stuff about people like Magneto. Like Magneto, if you look at his, technically if you look at all of his powers and stuff, he can do just insane stuff that you wouldn't even think that a man he can control metal could do. but they've written it in because it's situational at the time and it just so happens that it makes him incredibly powerful so I think if you want to look at the OG of making up new ways to use powers I would like to point you towards Silver Age DC Comics and Superman

where this isn't supermax constantly creating this is his cousin who has the same powers not the same it is the same not it is it is the same is if you are if you are up there if I will tell you this. If the wheel had chosen General Zod, I would have given, I would have said that you stand a chance because Zod is a military genius, but he's

also incredibly arrogant. The only thing that you got going, that Power Girl has going against her, she's got a bad fucking attitude. Like, Nita Walls was a bad attitude. Exactly. Is Peter Parker Spider-Man exactly the same as

Ben Riley Spider-Man? They got the same powers. Right, but they're not to see him. They're not to see him, they're not to see him. What you're doing is just taking a block of things and saying they're the same thing. They're the same person. They're different characters. They're not going to react the same way.

Magneto, I reckon. Yeah, what I'm saying is you're dealing with, if this was Superman, Superman's always going to approach something from a level of like, let me try to understand you. Can we work this another way? Karen's going to come in punching. That is what power world does. Which I think is the problem. I think Superman could be Magneto because Superman would think it through it.

Magneto would be able to outsmart Power Girl. I think Magneto has seen this kind of shit a ton of times. He would be able to figure it away to beat her. I just think that he'd get overwhelmed. Yeah. Because of how he wants to fuck her. I was like suitable

to beating her as well? Like what's he going to do here with a girder or something or drop a ship on her head? Like she's going to just shrug it all off. Magneto could probably figure out a way to beat her. Like I said, if you could I can read the par set that he has.

They absolutely have written in something Magneto can do that would beat her. Like, 100%. Because they love Magneto. Because John is actually a member of the board of Marvel. He's a member of the board. He's just rude.

I don't know. It's my case. Of course, in his case. Yeah, John is already decided on a par girl, which was a thing I didn't see coming. Well, no, did I. But like I say, I just don't think his powers, you know, going to stack up against hers. Okay.

I just think that the DC equivalent of a mega level mutants are Kryptonians. Right. Where it's just they're possible, they're capable of doing anything and everything. Right. But then that means, and it's a draw again because Magneto can do, he's in the omega level. He can do anything. I tried pitching that. guys were like no no no no no i think i think to be clear it wasn't us guys it was probably

more me you i mean i'll settle for a draw now that we fast out we had to we have some time after accommon versus juggernaut went nowhere it certainly did go nowhere all right back to the wheel what do we think draw for that one do you want to say draw or do you want to go with it because i'm of the opinion i don't think power i think power girl could beat them I think PowerGo could beat him as well. Okay, I'll write down, PowerGrow. I think the next time we do this, I'm going to put a significant last lack of Kryptonians on the wheel, though.

Yeah, let it be known that I was very opposed to Pargo when I thought. I think that's... Boy, it keeps wanting to go to those Kryptonians, but we've got Poison Ivy over on the DC side, and she will be going against... this is going to be a one-sided one-two, I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this one's a little open and close, huh? That is incredible.

E! Well. Hulk smash. Well, one person can control plants. That's it. But what? That's it. No, okay.

The only thing that I could think that could do some sort. sort of damage to the Hulk is that poison ivy can control plants and thus can unleash like spores and fungi and stuff that he could inhale but even then i'm sure the Hulk has some sort of solution to that because if that was the case it would be beaten the Hulk all the time yeah it was smelling salts or something or ether just knock them out right i feel like there's some sort of immunity or or resistance to that that the Hulk can just be like oh i just don't have that Like, all right, create it. So, yeah, I know, I mean, we might have time for another one.

Won't do another one? Yeah, because I think this is a, this is a unanimous poisonabia. We didn't have a shot in hell on this one. Oh, so we're, so we're going with the Hulk? Yeah. Yes. You'll scratch out of it then. Oh, boy.

What the Hulk's on a fucker? You know what you mean? I don't know what the Hulk's proclivities are like. Isn't that this answer to all these things? no, right? And versus woman. Oh, well, if we got to end, let's end on a high note. We're going on a flash.

He's won this one. Oh, but which one, though? You know? No, that's true. Here we go. And he will be doing battle against. Please be Moodok. Oh, Dylan.

Carnage. Okay. Well, Corey, you want to go first? I mean, it's, if you want to know the full capabilities of the Flash, we have a great episode back in C-Sysic. season two. You list you about an hour in and we'll get to the point where we get frustrated and give up on talking about it. Yeah. No, I mean, the flash has a speed force. I'm going to say this is the Barry Allen version because if I was saying it was Wally West, that's even more powers you

got to deal with. But we'll go with Barry. So the flash has super speed. He can run fast. He can think faster than anyone. He can phase through objects by vibrating his molecules. He can hit you harder than you can think. So, I mean, I think that, like, it's a tough fight against Carnage, but Carnage is also, essentially, it's a tag team fight, or it's a handicap fight, because it is also Cleetus Cassidy or Eddie Brock, we're going to that route, teaming up with the Carnage symbiate, which is, brings out the worst in everybody. So, yeah, I'll let you guys talk about Carnage.

I mean, Carnage is a serial killer. with a symbiate which allows him to kind of create like lots of sort of knives and stuff out of his weapons. Yeah. Guie knives. Jackdash.

And he's yeah he's basically got no compunction whatsoever about killing people and enjoying it. But then he's also been like ripped in half and you know died a couple of times. and managed to somehow come back.

So, bingo, always comes back. It can be set for Barry and Gallen, though. Well. Bery and Gallen got faced out of existence during the crisis, and then was emerged from the Speedforce 30 years later. This speed force thing is some great bullshit. Oh, yeah, 100%. So, D.C. has their, they've kind of started their own thing called the absolute universe.

An absolute flash, no speed force. The writer is Jeff Levere, and he came out and said, no speed force in absolute flash. So I'm going to be checking out absolute flash to see what they do with Wally and that. But yes. Seems like an enjoyable story. It would be interesting to see how they handle it. No speed force. I'm all bored.

So, I mean, that really is what it comes down to, again, is just like, speedsters in D.C. are not fair and how overpowered they can be because of that ability to move faster than you can think. like is Barry Allen faster than the Carnage symbiate can move? 100% yes. Does Carnage have like Spider Sense? The symbiates always fuck me up on that. I don't know if they have that ability or not. I know the Spider-Syntzance doesn't work for them. Yeah.

I think Venom might have it because of, you know, Spider-Man wearing the Venom symbiate for a while, and they kind of, yeah, I think the symbion might have picked up some stuff from him, like it picked up the webbing and things like that. But generally speaking, I don't think they have any kind of spider sense. No.

Okay. Dylan, I know how you feel about Carnage. I like him. You're a big fan. Some would say that you would have spent half of your money trying to procure him. I mean, we could argue that my, like you to have Cornage is the very reason

he's on this list. It's very still documented. I think it might have been why I put him on the list. Yeah. I don't see why else he would be on the list other than because I have a soft spot for a cardage. So I'm going to say something controversial here.

I think Carnage would win. Okay. I mean, I am going to disagree and I'm not happy about this whatsoever. You can disagree be happy. Nobody's happy about Barry Allen winning this fight. I think the Flashes powers, like the multitude of powers that he has

sort of tips this one way in his favor. Like he could I guess vibrate his hands and create like sound waves or whatever. I mean, yeah, he could disrupt the symbiotic bond. Yeah, yeah. Or he could even just run back into the past and kill his custody as a baby or something. That's such bullshit. Come on. But this is the flash.

If it was reverse flash, if it was reverse flash, that is a real possibility. Yes. This is ridiculous. Yeah. I love how indignant, Dylan, yes, any time Barry Allen comes up. I'm so exasered. Oh, the flash could just, oh, you know, eat an apple and the other guy dies. Like, he could do anything the Flash can do.

Like, oh, well, you forgot that the Flash could do this. I'm like, oh, did I forget that? Or you just mick that up? So it was convenient for this story. What I want to surprise? rise. Once again, the flag,

how does anybody ever defeat the Flash? How has the Flash ever died? This is impossible. This is insanity that this man can just do everything under the sun. Do you what do you mean? And above the sun, I guess.

He can exist in space. He is the Sun. So I would say, he's going so fast and he becomes the sun. Of the villains, of the characters that on the Marvel's side that we've featured tonight, the one I can obviously think of could be Barry Allen,

is Doom. Doom. Doom could be Flash. Why? Because of Doom's intellect mixed with his ability of magic, he'd find a way of stripping in one way or the other, he'd strip the speed force out of Barry.

I just think magically or through science. I don't think he could. I think he could. Like you said, I think he could vibrate through his walls. It's separated. You think he'd vibrate it through the walls.

Yeah. This is silly. One time, Carnage took over a whole town. He was in the middle of the town. He implanted like little bits of the symbiot into all

of the people in the time and was able to like control them through that one the main symbiate. He was able to control the whole time. And so therefore he could sense whenever other people the Avengers, for example, were coming to kill him. Couldn't he do that

and sense that the Flash is coming to kill him? I don't think he could react quick enough to stop the flash. The second he's like, oh, flash it! And he's, you know, takes a fist to the side of the head. You don't know how

Carnage's reactions work, though. He's never had to go up against somebody like that before. We don't know if he can react that quickly. He's never shown any signs of being super quick before, though, has he? I mean, essentially, he didn't pick him up and handle him into space. A lot of that is just because he just is focused on killing people. I would argue that his bloodlust, and he would hate the Flash so much that he would go out of his way to kill this man.

You know what you mean? I just think it's a situation. I feel like he could definitely kill him. That anybody's going to kill somebody. It's going to be carnage, right? He's good at killing normal people, but I'm not sure he's good at killing speedstance. He can kill a lot of people. Has he killed?

He's not killed a lot of superpower people. Who has he killed in the superhero community? I don't remember. Let me go on his comic book resource page and edit that as well. We head on over to Comic Vine and put it some entries real fast. Oh, he killed Chester Cheetah. Well, good bread and said motherfucker. Nobody liked him.

He had access to the Cheetah Force. Yeah, the Cheetah Force. He left the orange residue everywhere. It was disgusting. It was really horrible. He smelled weird, you know? So, so it sounds like this is another instance of a two to one against the car, against carnage on this one. Yeah, certainly signs like, doesn't it?

So we're going to say the Carnage wins. Because I let you guys have the Magneto one, so I feel like it's fair to. The right, Carnie's dying. Yeah. I would have loved to have seen Joker versus Carnage, though, on the wheel. Yeah. Carnage would have just killed him. I think he would, I think he could have.

He wouldn't put up with. There's nothing super natural about Joker. Yeah. He's just the guy. Although, it would be interesting to see if the, if this Carnage symbiateeat would stick with Cletus or if you would see it. Oh, that's a. more interesting suitor and swap.

That's like the only hook of the story, I think. That would be the, yeah, that would be the angle. If you're going to write a DC and Marvel joint story, is Carnage abandoning Cletus because he found Joker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So John, are you going to let us write that story for Marvel? You have my permission to write it and submit it. And then we'll see if anything happens with it. how you've said that to us before this is you've said this to us many times before I mean one of these days maybe you write something good enough to put in the

Marvel comics that's very hurtful to our incredible I felt like a very back-handed compliment it's you'd be very rude the people the people want to see

that front cover to Sugarman and Modoc you know what I've learned I learned that the wheel really doesn't like Batman the wheel has not related on Batman ones. So these are the names that we left over

from D.C. Martian Manhunter, Lex Luthor, Staro, the Joker, Batman, General Zod, the Cheetah, Lobo, and Green Lantern. And on Marvel, we had Mr. Fantastic, Mystique, Captain Marvel, Mr. Sinister, Modoc,

Captain America, Dr. Octopus, Iron Man, and Wolverine. Heavy hitters left on both wheels. Of those that we've mentioned, is there any that you would have liked to have seen like to duke it out between each other? Nah. I don't know.

Batman against Captain America, I guess, maybe. Yeah, I was thinking about, but then I'm like, eh, this guy's hitting each other shields. Yeah. I would have liked to have seen Lobo versus Deadpool. Well, maybe they did Marvel versus DC. Yeah. I mean, when they did Marvel versus DC in the 90s,

Deadpool wasn't really at that level where you would compare him to Lobo, but definitely now, definitely now you could see them fighting. Well, that's going to do us for today, everybody. I hope you enjoyed this sort of return to the playground sensibilities of who would win in a fight kind of deal. John, what is your movie count out for the year so far? I am up to 205 Oh, broke 200.

I have it. Oh, was your most recent? It was the Gambit movie. Oh, sorry. No, I mean, it was just called Gambit, but it had Colin Firth in it. Not playing Gambit. He was playing

like some guy trying to rip off his horrible boss and he basically drafts Cameron Diaz in to help him do it. With a Cajun accent. With a Texas accent. And it also has some cowboy... With a texted accent?

Oh, no. Cameron Diaz has a text. Oh, yes. That's worse. Yes. It had a cowboy monkeys in riding dogs. Well, so we all know put a monkey in an outfurt. fit it's going to get you another two stars john if you want to see how many stars he gave

the gambit movie or the or the gambit uh john where can they see your review they can find it on letterbox at big john bowski all one word and delv what's going on the world of captain explodey i don't even know anymore maybe nothing maybe everything maybe i'm keeping a lot of secrets from you guys and then at some point i'll just be like i've so many things tonight's all at once I've done all the things

I've accessed the speed force I can do anything now I can win it Scrabble you know someday someday I'll have something to show you know not today though

okay in case they want to ever see more though they could always look for you somewhere with Captain Exploity right no stay away from me forever all right fair enough my other thing I got going on

is called up. It's spoken words, storytelling, stream of consciousness podcast. Every week, it's like 29 minutes long and I just talk until it's over. And then that's it. We don't edit it. We just put it up. Good. But until then, next time, I suppose, then we'll talk to you next time. The next time we talk. Smooth. Yeah. Nailed it. Like butter. Yeah. Like butter. See, this is my people, this way people tune in, man. Yeah, I just handled that out of sure. Oh, beautiful stuff.

Anyway, bye. Bye. Until next time.