The Smark Avengers - Vol 4, Ep 9: WrestleMania 41 Review: Smarks Talk Winners, Losers & WTF Moments

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

WrestleMania 41 is in the books, and the Smark Avengers are breaking down EVERY match, moment, and surprise from both nights! From title changes to returns, from dream matches to downright confusing b...ooking decisions — we’re here with uncensored reactions and spicy smark-level takes. 💥 Night 1 & Night 2 Breakdown 🎤 CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns, Rhea Ripley, The Rock — we cover them ALL 📉 What worked, what didn’t, and what left us speechless 🧠 Deep dives into storytelling, long-term booking, and what it means for WWE’s future Whether you're a hardcore wrestling fan, casual viewer, or just love watching people argue over finishers, this is the WrestleMania 41 recap you’ve been looking for. 👊 Hit LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and drop your WrestleMania hot takes in the comments — which match stole the show? Who got buried? And where does WWE go next? #WrestleMania41 #WrestleManiaRecap #WWE #CodyRhodes #CMPunk #RomanReigns #WWENews #SmarkAvengers #WrestlingPodcast #WrestlingReview #WWEReaction #WrestleMania41Night1 #WrestleMania41Night2 #WrestlingFans #WrestleManiaMoments #ProWrestlingAnalysis #WWEHotTakes

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Starting point is 00:00:03 influenced by someone i don't remember core you remember i have no idea cori's a list name no i just don't know he's looking at pictures of naked ladies yep that's the intro yep hi everybody welcome spark adventures my name is cori with me is dillon and john guys how's it going hi hi hi yeah not bad not bad wait yep how was your trip to the moon
Starting point is 00:00:40 oh yeah well you didn't know you didn't go all the way to the moon no but did you did you
Starting point is 00:00:47 so that means he didn't bring us back any cheese I did not bring you back any cheese um did you bring us to anything no
Starting point is 00:00:55 you've been not been not been good little boys this whole year so I did not bring you my gifts I don't know if you can
Starting point is 00:01:05 authentically say that. I don't know. You haven't watching us 24-7. That's true. Not until the spy cameras get installed. Well, you won't be able to look through them. It's only for Elon Musk. Oh, okay, got it.
Starting point is 00:01:22 So, everybody, welcome to Spark Avengers. We already did the intro aspect of it. Nah, we're going to keep it. So, a year ago, we did a very not comic related episode because as you may or may not know our name is a play on words so for those uninitiated
Starting point is 00:01:46 do you guys want to explain what Smart Avengers actually mean over a year of doing the show we're finally going to explain the name well it's self-explanatory to us I guess smart Avengers is because there was a team called the Dark Avengers and then we are the SMARK Avengers to play off that. Smark is like a wrestling term
Starting point is 00:02:07 to mean smart mark, which really just means Mark if we're being honest with ourselves. But we've convinced wrestling fans have convinced themselves that they know more than the regular mark and therefore they're better and therefore they're smarts.
Starting point is 00:02:20 And that's us. We're all Restive fans. We're all comic fans. So it was a good way to mix the two things together. And then we have spent, I don't know, 15 years just talking about comics
Starting point is 00:02:30 and not really delving into the wacky world of professional wrestling. And it's hard to know whether or not our audience likes that or not, because we don't have an audience. Well, we've only done the one wrestling episode. But real quick, to explain what a mark is, a mark is a term that is used for basically a sucker, a fool. And that comes from back in the days of carnival workers.
Starting point is 00:02:56 They used to take a piece of chalk and put a mark on the back of somebody's shirt, indicating that that person's going to be easy to fool and take their money. Because wrestling has been, you know, a work all about trying to make people believe that it was real. Up until about the 1990s, late 80s, where it was getting more and more exposed, where it became public knowledge that it was fake. Because before then, people would argue with you about it, but not really so much anymore. No, but not like the people who watch it are, they'll call them Salas Marks. Whereas in the day, the whole point of it was to not let the marks know that they're being marked.
Starting point is 00:03:36 They're not supposed to be on the call. But nowadays as well, like WWE have just completely opened the door to like the backstage workings and everything that's going on. So it's like there's no pretence whatsoever that this is real. Yeah. No. But I think that in modern wrestling, they're kind of like, they're still trying to. work just in like a different way. Do you mean?
Starting point is 00:04:03 Because like now that the whole business is open and they've made it quite clear that this is, this is a work, I feel like they're still trying to work. It's not in a more modern. Anyway, that's not the point of the show today. No, no. So the point of the show is we're going maybe, maybe making this an annual tradition where to kind of embrace the smart aspect of our name. We're going to be talking about a major wrestling event.
Starting point is 00:04:29 that occurred this last weekend, WrestleMania. So, WrestleMania, WB's premier wrestling event. It's been that way for 30 some years now. 40?
Starting point is 00:04:42 40? 41? I would have, if I was the hazard of guess, I would say 41 years. Yeah. So it's been a thing for quite a while. It's been a thing longer
Starting point is 00:04:50 than the three of us have been alive for the most part. Fine. Yep. Just about. Yep. John, don't expose yourself. The love of God.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Please. Keep the camera on. I could not root again. Oh my God. So many lawsuits. So last year was a bit of a unique situation because Dylan was actually at WrestleMania for both nights. This year, you guys watched it as it was happening live.
Starting point is 00:05:21 I did not because I forgot that WrestleMania was going to be on TV, primarily because the buildup for it was way too far. fucking long. Okay. Yeah. I mean... Because, I mean... If you look at the time difference between when elimination chamber was, which is the last
Starting point is 00:05:38 major event they had and Russellmania, it was like... It's two months, I think. About two months. Yeah, that's a long time to build a match. Yeah. Especially because you don't want to overexpose it by having them actually wrestle each other. So it basically just becomes talking segments for two months. Also, the fact that some of those...
Starting point is 00:05:58 And what's a broading segment. Well, built up. Huh? Yeah. I was just saying lots of brawling segments as well. Yeah. Just ways to get a fill of the time. Like, if they had trimmed that by two or three weeks, it would be way better, I think.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Especially because John Cena wasn't going to be there every week. So there's like two weeks of Cody Rhodes and John Cena going back and forth. And then like three or four weeks of just Cody Rhodes talking. Yeah. Like, okay. And they were good. Cody Rhodes is a great talker. Great talker.
Starting point is 00:06:36 The problem I had was, and the two times that Cody Rhodes and John Cena were face-to-face on SmackDade, both times Cody Rhodes caught John Cena with the crossroads and put him down. And I'm like, Cina's 100% going to win. Especially because they did the week of the day before WrestleMania, the Friday before wrestling. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Cody puts... Whoever's standing tall on the golf home show is always going to lose. Cody's going to lose. The fact that they did it twice, I was like, okay. Yeah. Put a fine bow with it, you know. So this WrestleMania took place in the Allegiant Stadium in Paradise, Nevada, billed as Las Vegas, Nevada.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Night 1 and night two. And, yeah, I kind of just, We'll just kind of go through the event. Do you guys want to do it in the order that the matches took place in? Or do you want to do it? I think we should. Okay. I think we should.
Starting point is 00:07:40 Yeah. Okay. So Nightwood of WrestleMania. I should point out. Yeah. I feel like the only reason we talked about it last year was simply because I was there. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:07:51 You spent all, we just talking about it today. And to be fair, it was a very long episode, but you did spend a lot of time talking about what you were eating in Philadelphia. yeah yeah let's do it again let me talk about that pizza um I
Starting point is 00:08:09 I would love to go this year but I I don't have any money and I was talking to my brother about this after on the buildup to WrestleMania all the way up to the buildup
Starting point is 00:08:22 and then after the show we were both convinced that we went to the better wrestling media yeah I think I would agree with that. I don't think this year's...
Starting point is 00:08:34 I don't think this year's WrestleMania was bad. I enjoyed it. I had a fun time. I think last year the build was better. The matches were better. The vibe is better. The food was better. Although I did get...
Starting point is 00:08:49 I would say one match was probably better than anything from last year's, but we can get into that in a bit. Yes, I think we'll get to that. All right, so Night 1 of WrestleMania was April 19th And the show Open with the World Heavyweight Championship bout
Starting point is 00:09:11 The defending champion Gunther versus the Royal Rumble winner Jay Uso So So real quick Just as you're not familiar with either men Jay Uso is incredibly a popular
Starting point is 00:09:27 With the WV audience multi-time tag team champion won the Intercontinental Championship about earlier last year. Goethe has been a dominant force ever since he came into NXT or actually NXT UK winning the world title there. Transitioned over to NXT proper was the beast. Well, did he ever actually, no, I don't think he was in NXT proper. I think he went NXT UK and what jumped straight to the roster from there.
Starting point is 00:09:58 He was in NXT. He was? Okay. Did he hold the NXT title? I don't think so. Okay. I don't remember. Fair enough. We can look that up. Yeah, but, you know, Guelther was the longest ranking in our continental title in history.
Starting point is 00:10:14 You surpass the Honky Talk Man's record. By the way, if you've never watched wrestling before or heard anyone talk about it, me saying he surpassed the Hockey Talk Man's record is going to be a fucking hell of a sentence for you. We won't get into... Not going to make any sense. Yeah, we're not going to get into the Hockey Talk Man. Basically, what you need to know is that Goethe Thubbeth. has been very protected, very dominant the entire time he's been on the main roster and even
Starting point is 00:10:36 before then. So, uh, yeah, Jay Uso's popularity is within the last, what, year, I would say? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, a lot of people weren't crazy about Jay Uso winning the Royal Rumble, despite the fact that he's incredibly over with the audience and the crowd. Uh, has got a very big entrance as people love to do along with him. but any thoughts on the match itself because Jay Uso did the unthinkable and defeated Goethe, which was not his first time facing Goethe. He faced him a couple of times and lost every other time. Yes.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Which kind of played into the match, I think. Yeah, it was definitely part of the buildup. You see during the match, Jay ends up doing a lot of Gunther's moves back to him and to try and, like, show that he's learned something from having wrestled this unstoppable killing machine a couple of times already which I liked we talked about this before I wasn't a big fan of the finish of the match because I think it just kind of
Starting point is 00:11:46 I think Gunther tapped too quickly for me because they've done such a good job of protecting Gunther and making him seem like an unstoppable monster generally I feel like if you're going to be the one that makes Gunther tap out, like, it needs to be a little bit bigger.
Starting point is 00:12:08 You could argue and to say, oh, Gunther has never been in that position before he panicked. He was exhausted from like the Usso splashes or whatever. I can see that, you know, that's fair enough. I just wasn't a big fan of that finished. But I didn't hate it. I, it was a good match, honestly, you know. But the one thing about last year was that Uso was down.
Starting point is 00:12:31 definitely and the stinker of the night last year and I thought it was weird it was rough and I thought it was rough and I thought it was funny that the guy that was in the worst match of rest media last year is now in a title match and is probably going to win the championship
Starting point is 00:12:49 in this year's wrestling media like what a difference a year makes one thing that I think is funny that you pointed out was that people were not happy by Chase so winning the roll and roll and they're not very happy with him winning the championship. But this is, I mean, that's smart talk.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Because if you're, if you listen to the crowd, they fucking love that guy. They love Dave's so, like people do. He's over. And why wouldn't you capitalize on that when you get the chance, right? In a perfect world, Gunther would do the same thing. He would go on and hold that championship for months, years, right? Because he only won the belt that, like, Summer's Yeah, he's not been
Starting point is 00:13:32 James It's not that long Six, seven months No, that's the shortest like title reign Gunther's had in the WWE and it's for the world Heavy Good Championship
Starting point is 00:13:42 like that, you know, but at the same time the WWE we have to do something with JUs so he's super popular. Yeah. It doesn't matter if he ends up being a transitional champion
Starting point is 00:13:52 or whatever. He won the World Rumble, he won the Heavy Championship, he'd thrown Gunther, those are big stats to put in this guy. It legitimizes him, makes him look like a big deal. I don't see the problem with him.
Starting point is 00:14:03 He's super over. The people love him. Fair play. John, any thoughts? I mean, Dylan pretty much covered all of my thoughts right there. I did enjoy the finish more than Dylan did because I
Starting point is 00:14:20 think like Dave really had to earn it. I think he strung together like a couple of super kicks and then like three slashes in a row and then went to the sleeper. Like it wasn't like Like, he just slapped the sleeper on and, like, Gunther tapped out straight away. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:39 But, you know, like, you know, he earned it. And like Dan said, he's so over with the crowd. And in terms of, like, kicking off WrestleMania and, like, kicking it off in a big way, it doesn't get much bigger than sort of crowning Jay Uso as to the world champion. And, you know, given on the board, see if he can run with it. Exactly, and that's the thing. If he can't run with it, take the belt off him again. It's no big deal.
Starting point is 00:15:08 Nobody gives a shit. The ability to pivot when things might change is a very important thing for wrestling that a smart booker would know all about. All right. So next up, we have the war raiders, the team of Eric and Ivar, who are Vikings, defending the world tag team championship against the New Day, Kofi Kingston and Anne Xavier Woods. The New Day held the record for longest,
Starting point is 00:15:38 what WV tag team champions of all time, they passed Demolition's record years ago. They've been around for over a decade. So they recently turned heel, recently turned their back on their longtime partner, Big E, and been a heel group since. The ending saw Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods defeating the Viking.
Starting point is 00:16:03 Raiders and our second match or second title change. Thoughts. This match is fine. Like honestly, that match, if you saw that in Raw, you'd be like, fair enough. It wasn't like, whoa, dude. But it also wasn't a stinker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:20 Like, it was totally fine. No. John? The bill was dreadful. Like, there was basically no buildup whatsoever, aside from the new day saying, we'd like a tight team vital match. and then the war raiders
Starting point is 00:16:35 then, okay. We should talk about the buildup for some of these matches on the way up. It's not been great. I actually saw
Starting point is 00:16:43 I was at a house show about a month before WrestleMania and the New Day versus the war readers was one of the matches. And on the way in,
Starting point is 00:16:57 the New Day grabbed a sign my kid that said New Day socks and they ripped it up and threw it into the crowd just as the match was about to start they were standing on the apron they ripped up the
Starting point is 00:17:08 sign and threw it in the crowd and Xavier was in the ring Popey turns his back on the audience and then the kids in the crowd crumple up the pieces of paper and throw it back at Kobe and Kobe sells it like he's just been fucking hit with a bullet
Starting point is 00:17:23 he just like he's on like oh what the fuck Xavier the match has just just started the bell is just drunk Xavier sprints and like slides out of the ring and grabs a head of security and drags him over and goes throw that kid out. The head of security is like, I mean, I guess I'm going to throw you. He ends up like fucking yapping at this kid for like 10 minutes. It was beautiful.
Starting point is 00:17:50 I wish they'd done that. Yeah. Because that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, you know it's how I show stuff where you can play around with it. But I'd like to see a lot more of that fun, healy. New Day, because they are good at it. Yeah. You know, they're very good to get that heel heat.
Starting point is 00:18:08 They can do it. Like I said, I thought that match was, it was just fine, you know? It was okay. Yeah, I did appreciate the sort of Giant Gonzalez tribute to their gear as well, the New Day. They always do well with gear. I didn't see that, and I'm terrified to see it now. Giant Gonzalez, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I mean...
Starting point is 00:18:32 The big glaring weak spots of the WBVE forever, probably since, the new generation. I would give the new generation, because I honestly, the tag team titles were just passed around haphazardly in the attitude era, is the tag team division. They don't really do too much with them. The Smackdown, the Smackdown, the Smackdown, the Smackdown, the Smackdown. The Smackdown, the SmackDown, the SmackDown. The SmackDown, the SmackDown, the SmackDown. So, I mean, case some point there. Well, the thing I will say about this is the build to War Readers versus New Day is kind of just these are the, one of them is the champions and the other one is the other team. Right. It doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of other, like, proper tag teams on Raw at the moment.
Starting point is 00:19:20 Yeah. SmackDown tag titles, I will say, they feel like they put more excitement into it. Well, because they've had that trio deal with the Motor City machine guns, DIY, and, I think. the street profits for the last few months. So I was surprised of like of the two tag divisions, why is the raw one getting on WrestleMania and not the Smackdown one? I agree. I felt weird. Especially if they're going to do TLC.
Starting point is 00:19:45 You could have put a TLC match on WrestleMania and it would have been perfect. There was always a big ladder match on WrestleMania for years. Long time. I think they just wanted a good big match to put on the show. after rest of media to go, you like WrestleMania, stick around for this because there's still good stuff coming up. Yeah. But yes, I agree. I would have, I would have
Starting point is 00:20:09 done that on Restamedia instead, and there would have been, because it was a tag team lottery match to rest of many last year. Yeah. For both the outs, which was a lot of fun. All right, so next matchup is Jade Cargill
Starting point is 00:20:26 versus Naomi. This was a grudge match between the two women. Jade Cargill, several Months ago was one half of the women's tag team champions with Bianca Belair. She turned up, beat up in a parking lot, disappeared for a few months, came back at the Elimination Chamber, beat the living hell out of Naomi, and Naomi ended up revealing that she had been the person that attacked Jade Cargill leading to this match happening. Thoughts on Jade Cargill versus Naomi.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I think all of us could have seen not coming, right? Naomi, Dia Cargill mysteriously disappears, Naomi steps in to be the new tag partner. He could have, you know, Chertoe Combs, like, I just can't figure it out. You know, violent, doing cocaine, trying to figure out the mystery.
Starting point is 00:21:17 He was a crazy cat. That match had, clearly had some build to it. You know, that's the storyline that's been going on for quite a while. That match itself was okay. Yeah. I heard a lot of people say it was terrible. I don't think it was terrible. It wasn't like fantastic, though.
Starting point is 00:21:38 Well, you know. Yeah, I mean, Cargill is somebody that has limitations, but she looks like a superstar. So that's always... Right. You could just have her. I mean, I get it because you want to make... I only look...
Starting point is 00:21:53 But you have... Yeah, Cargill go in there and beat somebody up in three minutes, and nobody would be like, what the fuck? Yeah. They would go, that's J. Carton. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
Starting point is 00:22:04 Trying to get them to go too long is tricky with somebody like Greg Cargill who doesn't, still has a lot of kinks to work on it from her time in AW, it seems, because, you know, she's not super good at, like, she's wrestling maybe once or twice a month for a couple of years, and that's not enough time.
Starting point is 00:22:29 But it was all squash stuff. It was all like done, done, done. It was never like a 10-minute match or whatever. Yeah. So she doesn't seem super good at like chaining stuff together or like logically going to the next bit. And you would have hoped that in the time she's been in the W&E, she would have worked that out. Because that's been a year and a half. No, I think it's been a little longer in a year and a half.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Regardless, John, do you have any thoughts on Cargill versus Naomi? well i'm glad it wasn't like a three-minute squash because i think naomi's been doing such good work since she turned here like her promos have been by far some of the best stuff she's ever done in w-wee like she's considering her character was just sort of the smiley dancer for so long yeah he's got like a real edge to her now and so i think if she'd been squash that would have done her, you know, no favors whatsoever going forward, whereas at least he got to look competitive against Jade Cargo, even though everyone knew Jade was most likely going to win that match.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Oh, yeah. You know, the bigger deal in the grand scheme of things, I guess. But at least give something to Naomi that she can sort of build on, I guess, going forward. Okay. Next up, we have LA Knight defending the. United States Championship against Jacob Fatu, the Smoh and Werewolf. Jacob Fatu has been in the WVB for under a year now, about a year now, actually,
Starting point is 00:24:08 because he turned up a couple of weeks after WrestleMania last year. So, um, yes, yeah. Fatu is amazing. It has been since I saw him in MLW when he was part of Contra unit and was like 75 pounds heavier. So I know L.A. Knight is very popular with Dylan. Dylan, did you have any issues with L.A. Night dropping the United States title to Jacob Fatu? Nope. Not at all. I thought that that puts Patu over really well.
Starting point is 00:24:47 You know, Knights are a credible United States champion by now. We've seen him do a lot of good work. And to have him lose WrestleMania is a big deal. and I thought Jacob had to do a great job. This match was really fun. I really like this match a lot. Those two guys worked really well together, and I thought this, I just thought it was a lot of fun, honestly.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Not a shot on a build-up if you're being critical about it. Yeah. But fun match. So, you know. Johnny, your thoughts? Yeah, and they had like a couple of good moments, as well, like Fatu's moon salt countered into
Starting point is 00:25:30 a BFT and they seem to have like pretty good chemistry together but yeah I mean like pretty much all the matches on this show so far like it was a good
Starting point is 00:25:46 sort of fun match. Nothing too spectacular or like mind blown or anything but it's pretty decent like nothing. Nothing bad about it whatsoever and the right guy won and you know clearly jacob fatua has got huge the potential in the future as well so this feels like a good sort of uh starting point really so we had three title matches and three title changes uh up next to see if that trend will
Starting point is 00:26:21 well actually no it's not up next up next is uh the recently debuted Ray Phoenix. Big deal in AAA, which is a Lucillebrae promotion out of Mexico that is now owned by the WBE, which was announced earlier that night, against El Grand Americano, which, are you guys familiar
Starting point is 00:26:44 with what an Americano is? I'm not sure if you're big coffee. Yeah, I'm not sure if you're big coffee drinkers. Coffee. Yeah, it's an espresso with water. So just a water-down espresso. I don't know why El Gran Americano is, yeah. Anyway, who may or may not be the leader of American maid Chad Gable under a mask?
Starting point is 00:27:07 We don't know for sure. No, he isn't. What are you talking about? Yeah. Why would you even say that? I'm just saying, you know, it may or may not be. It may or may not be several people. It may or may not be, you know, Xavier Woods coming out for a second match of the night.
Starting point is 00:27:24 It may. We're loads of people. Yeah. It may or may not be... I reckon it's Delo Brown. It's going to be Delo Bride. You're looking at the real deal now. God.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Oh, what? Sorry. So anyway... You're very excited over Deelow Brown. I do enjoy Deelow Brown. Anyway, yes, we have Ray Phoenix versus El Grand Americano, non-title match. El Grand Americano has been basically working his way through Luchadors
Starting point is 00:27:50 since arriving in the WB. And Ray Mysterio, who... a big deal in Lucha Libre and the WV had what had handpicked Ray Phoenix to be the person to face Americano correct? Yes No? I think so.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Basically Ray Mysterio. Yeah, he injured his groin on Smackdown apparently. I guess took a football to the groin. That'll do it. Old mole man.
Starting point is 00:28:22 That'll do it. He's his old. Yeah, it's a shame. it's a shame that Ray Phoenix is losing pretty clean in like one of his first WWE matches I mean, was it clean though? Well, he did.
Starting point is 00:28:41 No, I guess it wasn't because he got hit with like the loaded mask, whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like to have him lose anyway like a big stage and stuff like this early in, it's, I don't know. kind of undercuts how special they can make him seem when, you know, he's already losing matches like that. But I guess it's not the end of the world.
Starting point is 00:29:10 And, you know, I think for the benefit of the story as well, our grand Americano, like, he was clearly going to beat Ray Mysterio if Ray had been healthy. So, you know, he kind of had to win this match. so it is what it is but it was like still a fun match though the two played off each other really well and it didn't overstay its welcome so yeah I agree with a lot
Starting point is 00:29:40 of that man I think that like if he had beat Ray Mysterio at WrestleMania that would have been a bigger deal and I feel sorry for Phoenix because he only just arrived like three weeks ago I say that but I'll just say this in that he arrived three weeks ago
Starting point is 00:29:57 and now here he is, the Rust Media. Yeah. If you look at... Well, yeah. I mean, if you look at Dragon Lee, who was signed by WWB about two years ago, maybe a little longer, Dragon Lee is the speed champion,
Starting point is 00:30:12 which is the, basically the Twitter championship, where they have, like, three-minute matches that they put exclusively on Twitter. So, like, it could be a lot worse for them than losing on WrestleMania, you know?
Starting point is 00:30:26 the thing is because Ray Mysterio got injured on on Friday, I assumed that the replacement for him would be Dragon Lee because let's be honest, they're not afraid to have Dragon Lee lose a match. And I'm like, that wouldn't be a bad thing at all for Dragon Lee to get on WrestleMania to lose to this. It's part of the story. I would have done that over. Over Ray Phoenix. The thing about Ray Phoenix is you're clearly trying to get that guy over.
Starting point is 00:30:56 quickly. I would have done Dragon Lee instead of Ray Phoenix, but at the same time, Phoenix did a good job. I don't think he looks like a chump for losing to El Grande, the Americano, because like we said, there was some shenanigans involved. It wasn't a clean victory.
Starting point is 00:31:14 And they've been working the storyline for a bit. So, I think he's going to get his win back again. Don't you mean? Like, it's not the end of the story. So, yeah, I thought it was a fun match. Sure. So... But, you know, not about so far. So next up, another championship match,
Starting point is 00:31:33 what I was trying to allude to earlier, for the W.W.E. Women's Championship, Tiffany Stratton defending against Charlotte Flair. This match had a lot of... It had a unique build, to say the very least, where there was some awkward in-ring moment, or in-ring talking segments, where maybe people said some things that they shouldn't have said
Starting point is 00:31:58 and upset some people legitimately. But do you think that came together in the ring or not? Because I saw pictures of Tiffany Stratton afterwards. She got her teeth chipped and definitely took some stiff shots. She says she didn't get her teeth chipped. Yeah. All right. She posted a picture afterwards and then showed us to smell.
Starting point is 00:32:24 smiling and it looked like awkward photo. She posted a video of her showing off her teeth. Was it just an awkward photo then? Because it looked like she had her teeth chipped. Something, I don't know if it was her gums or something, but something bleating, maybe she got a busted lip or something. Something in her mouth was bleeding. And that was absolutely a case of somebody being a little bit too stiff.
Starting point is 00:32:49 A little snug, little snug. But, but, but, to this. their credit, the way in the shitty haphazard build that they had done for that match, if that match hadn't been some kind of fucking knockout, you know, drag out brawl,
Starting point is 00:33:06 if they hadn't have been just like clovering each other, it wouldn't have made any sense. They realized that with the weird way they booked that show and they'd been building to that match, it kind of had to just start throwing hands. And to her credit, Tiffy did a great job. Yep. She held her own.
Starting point is 00:33:24 to Charterflair who, let's be honest, has a bit of a habit of being a little snug. Kind of going into a business for yourself. A little snug. And they get it all about Charlotte, you know. And Tiffy did a great job. I honestly thought Charter was going to win because historically, if you bet against Charter at WrestleMania, you're probably going to lose money. And so I was super happy to see Tippy win.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Super happy. I think she's got a great upside and I think she held her own here She's got a good look It wasn't the greatest match She does have a great look I loved her entrance Her entrance is great
Starting point is 00:34:02 Oh the Barbie entrance yeah Oh yeah yeah Barbie yeah I love that Beautiful that's what Rastomini is about These fun entrances and stuff It's not about the rest And fuck that shit
Starting point is 00:34:11 But she she looked like a star And that's something that I think would happen On the buildup to that match She didn't look that good on the way there, but at the panicle of it, she did. And I'm very happy. So, John, thoughts? I think, well, with Charlotte, like, we've sort of talked about this before, but she's basically had no evolution whatsoever over the last 10 years.
Starting point is 00:34:46 She's always been the same character, and she's always carried herself the same way. she's always in and around the title pitcher and it's like if she had won the title here it would have been such a boring way to go just like reverting back to the like standard
Starting point is 00:35:07 yeah I'm so glad that they didn't go that route because it would have probably derailed Tiffany as well like especially after the buildup being so all over the place and pretty wild
Starting point is 00:35:25 and whatnot. I think it would have done Tiffany Stratton no favors whatsoever to lose. So they made the right decision. The match itself was hard hitting and kind of wild
Starting point is 00:35:40 and all over the place. Not like a perfect match by any stretch, but it was still entertaining enough. And you kind of about the sort of hatred between them as well. So that's a good plus for me.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Yeah. Yeah, you can feel like the TAMC you're going in. One of the big complaints I've seen in some storylines that try to build themselves as big blood feuds is that you have all these heated escalations for weeks and weeks and then they start the matchup grappling. And it's like, well, why would you do that? Why wouldn't you just charge each other and just swing for the fences? Was that the situation here?
Starting point is 00:36:21 they just immediately went to war? Or was there like a slow, like... Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, they absolutely went straight at it as soon as the bell rang. Yeah. So, see, that's how you do it right. So do you think that the reason why they had all the title changes at the front half of the show
Starting point is 00:36:41 was to build up to the fact that there was not going to be a title change towards the end? Because this was the last title match of the night. Because the main event was not for a title, unless you want to... called Paul Heyman a championship. But, uh, I do. Yep. So there,
Starting point is 00:36:58 I've always been of the, the feeling that when you have these big events, fans always cheer for the title changes. So you want to give them as many as you can. Uh-huh. Right. And so if you want people to cheer for tippy, keep the belt on her.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Yeah. And put her type, like away from the other ones, you know? I mean, that's certainly a possibility. Um, I don't know, maybe. So our main event of the evening was a triple threat between Roman Reins,
Starting point is 00:37:29 Seth Rollins, and C.M. Punk was accompanied to the ring by Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman, a longtime friend of punk going back to their days in Ohio Valley Wrestling, although Paul normally is associated with Roman Raines as the tribal chief's wise man. So I heard that this was obviously the match of the night. What were your thoughts? Well, first of all, Living Color played St. Punk down to the ring.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Mm-hmm. So that's important. Should be noted. I am not a fan of that song. I fucking hate it. But that on the list of stuff, Corey Hates. Yep. I got a long list. One of these episodes is going to be just a big... Us talking about the stuff Corey Hates.
Starting point is 00:38:24 and how we don't for a lot of them we don't agree next time I go to the moon I'll send you guys the list and you guys can just have an episode where you're just going through the list okay I think that's fine
Starting point is 00:38:35 you don't want to be here when it happens you'll just say it'll give you something to do so you don't talk about Katie Perry the whole time apparently Howard listen she was with you that's why we were talking
Starting point is 00:38:49 I've had a rebound after yeah well I mean after her relationship with Russell Brand I feel like I'm not exactly a step down, so we got that going for me. It was pretty funny, but this is, this episode is coming out before that episode. Yeah, by a couple of weeks, about a month, actually. So this is going to make no fucking sense. So that might get cut.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Regardless, so the buildup to this match was probably the best buildup of all the matches of Russell meeting that I've seen so far. A lot of the back, I mean, you have three great talkers, Rollins, Raines and Punk can all, they can talk for hours and hours and it will never get boring. So a lot of this was, you know, Seth having a grudge against punk for years now, doing whatever he can to sabotage Punk's career. Punk being the very divisive person that he is, and Roman Raines kind of cementing himself as the top dog, even though he doesn't have a belt right now. and well there was layers to it so obviously
Starting point is 00:39:53 Rollins and Funk had that problem Rollins and Reins have a issue from the Shield yeah long time problem and Reins have that issue with Paul Heyman yeah so there's like there is like these unbelievable
Starting point is 00:40:10 like surprisingly like deep layers to this match that's why it's been such a good build because when it happened when they were talking about doing it I was like why would these three guys wrestle and then as they pulled it off you're like all right they've twisted it and turned it enough to make me go
Starting point is 00:40:26 I dig it I'm on board with this this is really good if you can't have Roman Reins Fight the Rock this is absolutely the next best thing if not better than Roeman's fighting the rock whenever the last week or two before WrestleMania
Starting point is 00:40:42 was all about Paul Heyman not knowing should he go with Roman Rains or Sam Punk I knew he's going to he's going to go Rollins.
Starting point is 00:40:54 That's got to be what's happening. They're not talking about Rollins here that's because they're going to swear up
Starting point is 00:40:59 and have him go to Rollins. Which is what happened. That's not a bad thing. They did it perfectly. So yeah. As you would imagine with those
Starting point is 00:41:07 those four fucking guys involved they pulled it off like Heyman arguably arguably the best manager since Bobby the Brain Heenan of course, you know, played his role perfectly well the whole time, riding that fence between
Starting point is 00:41:24 Punk and Raines, being in that awkward kind of baby face that he can be. Because, I mean, Heyman's real, really shines as a slimy heel, has since the early 90s when he was running the dangerous alliance in WCW. But so, of course, you know, he handed a steel chair to punk to take care of a problem, ended up low-blowing punk when he had his back turned, handed the chair to Raines, let Raines beat the hell out of punk with a chair. low-blowed reins and then handed the chair to Seth Rollins so that he could finish the job. And that was, of course, how it all came to.
Starting point is 00:41:55 With, you know, Haman kind of being that decisive factor that they all thought he was going to be, but just not in the way they expected. It seems like such a weird pairing, though, Haman and Seth Rollins. I agree. Rollins is such an outlandish character in terms of, like, stuff he wears to the ring. And, like, it's over the top, like, line deliveries and stuff. Well, he's a modern-day macho man. He feels like, yeah, but I don't think his personality messes well with Paul Heyman's personality.
Starting point is 00:42:32 Like, Paul Heyman seems a lot more sort of reserved. And, well, maybe not reserved. Maybe that's the wrong word. But he's like, he's more of a thoughtful guy, whereas Rollins is just loud and obnoxious. So this is a bit of a, I want to say it's a spoiler, but I mean, you know, the following Monday, you know, they revealed that Braun Breaker was involved now in this, too. That makes more sense of Haman being managing Breaker and letting Rollins handle his stuff on his own. You still present them as a trio, but Haman's going to be more of the ringside piece for Rollins and not necessarily a talker, I would assume. Yeah, see that makes more sense because when you see, that was the thing.
Starting point is 00:43:14 when you see this happen, like you could see it happening, but you're also like, why would Rollins need Heyman in his corner? It's kind of like whenever Punk and Hayman were together, you're like,
Starting point is 00:43:25 punk's the best talker in the game. He doesn't need the second best soccer in the game. But that, that didn't matter. It was the fact that they were together was electric. It just worked. It was fun.
Starting point is 00:43:36 And it's the same thing here. It's like, Seth doesn't need Paul Heyman. The fact of it together is just going to work out really well. I'm at the Bronbreaker into that match, or into the storyline, was
Starting point is 00:43:50 a really good idea. Really, really good idea, because we'll talk with Bronbreaker pretty soon. Yeah. But it gives him something to do, and it gives him, like, they're very high on Bronbreaker, which I like. He's great, man. That guy. So,
Starting point is 00:44:06 WrestleMania Night 1 ends with the bad guy standing tall. Will that be the case in WrestleMania Night 2? WrestleMania Night 2, of course, was the following day on April the 20th, 420, Smoke him if you got him. We started the night with another triple threat that had a good buildup for the women's world championship. E.O. Sky defended against the pairing of Bianca Belair and Rio Ripley. The buildup for this one, I felt, was a little redundant. There were a lot of weak. where it just seemed like Bianca and Rio were bickering, and then Eo would get involved
Starting point is 00:44:47 to kind of prove that she wasn't, you shouldn't look over her because she's so small, and then there would be some dives to the outside or someone would get slapped and powerbomb through a thing. But it felt really like a redundant build. And I know it made some people sour on Ria a little bit because Ria was kind of, I don't know. Do you think, like, they were trying to push Ria as a tweener in the fact that like she was kind of being a, a brat. I mean, she had lost the women's title to E.O. Sky Clean. There was no chicanery, no shenanigans, and she kind of acted like a petulant child about it. Yeah, I think they're setting the seeds for a heel turn because a heel would be very upset that they lost the championship
Starting point is 00:45:32 and would blame somebody else for that loss, which is what Ria did. I also think that she's kind of justified in that, like, why did EEO? sure I get that title shot to begin with. Right. Bianca Bel Air won the Roe Rumble. No, no, she won an elimination chamber. She won the Elinichie Chamber, right? Charlotte won the Roe Rumble.
Starting point is 00:45:56 Right, so Bianca Bellar won the Elimist Chipper, so that guarantees her that mass of WrestleMania. But why was E.O. Shari supposed to fight Rearipley the day after that on Raw? Like, what was the... You know what I mean? Where did that come in? So I can see why Bianca would be like, why are you involved with this?
Starting point is 00:46:14 I can see where Rio would be like, I should be fighting Bianca, I shouldn't be fighting you. Where does this come in? You know what you mean? I thought that was weird. When it happened, I was like,
Starting point is 00:46:26 I'm sure a lot of other people were like, this is going to be rea-reply versus Bianca about this. This is a one-on-one match that we have been eager to see. I wasn't super happy with them changing the bet like that and putting on you.
Starting point is 00:46:40 As it went on, I've enjoyed it a lot, because I really like you, Shari. Yeah, I was going to say, I know you're a fan of Eio Sky. I thought that she did a very good job with what she was given. And the way you were talking about the buildup, again, maybe this is just me being a smart and like eagle eyes or whatever. But as the buildup was going on, you're like,
Starting point is 00:47:02 Eio Shari is going to win because she's been treated. The two people that are the main event in this triple threat matcher, Bianca and Ria, Eio has been put. on the back burner, she's going to win. She's going to prove everybody wrong. And I thought that when it started off,
Starting point is 00:47:23 this didn't seem like a good idea. It should have been Rhea versus Bianca. And then I think we could all agree once the match was over, we were all like, that was the right call. That's fucking ripped. That ripped.
Starting point is 00:47:40 That match. People are saying that's the best, open a match of Rest Media. I've heard some people say it's the best match at Restuania. I don't know if that's true. But like, that match was awesome. It was so good. So. I think it's
Starting point is 00:47:55 one of the best women's match in the period. Yeah. Just fucking wall-to-wall three pros. Like, keep those guys in the crosshairs, right? Sure, do you, Bianca versus Ria next year because you've got that build up of this year.
Starting point is 00:48:10 But keep those three women, like tip top of that division because they're going to carry that for a long time and if it's those three guys in charge to that company like that division with sweethands dude so much fun so as you alluded to you, Eoskeye
Starting point is 00:48:26 was successful in her title defense our second match was I forgot this was on the show period but this was Damien Priest versus Drew McIntyre in a Sin City street fight so
Starting point is 00:48:40 could you forget much. Well, so we'll talk about how Damian Priest is kind of a forgettable person for me. I just, I don't see. He's a very big man. We know this to be true, but he seems as dull as dishwater to me a lot of the time. And I felt that way ever since he was in Ring of Honor when he was Punishment Martinez, which was a better fucking name the Damian Priest.
Starting point is 00:49:07 I mean, come on, Punishment Martinez. Yeah. Yeah, right? You remember that fucking name. But also, also, if you look at that guy, yeah, that's a punishment Martinez right there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:19 You said he was going to blam, but like, it looks like you beat the shit out of you. Well, yeah, I mean, he just, like I said, there's just something about him that's, there's something's missing. I mean, they put a world title on him because he's who Gunther defeated to win the title. But I just, I always felt like there's something missing with priest.
Starting point is 00:49:36 Meanwhile, you have Drew McIntyre, who's been doing the best work of his, career for the last like what year year two yeah really really found his own as just that smart ass you know scotsman smart as scotsman so they call him yeah the smart ass scotsman the smart ass scotsman the smote the t-shirts yeah all the t-shirts say that um i asked us what is it people refer him as dm hunk because his twitter uh his twitter game is really strong as the kids say yes well he proved that in this match.
Starting point is 00:50:13 He did some more social media shenanities. Was this his brother that was ringside? I believe
Starting point is 00:50:20 so, yeah. Yeah, his brother, he just took a phone off his brother and then went and took a
Starting point is 00:50:25 picture, a selfie of himself by Damian priest's downed body on the ring side,
Starting point is 00:50:33 took a picture and like, what do you think of this? And you're like, that guy never misses a trick,
Starting point is 00:50:37 man, you know, he's one of those guys that like, maximizes his minutes. If he's got time out there,
Starting point is 00:50:44 he will make the most of it. Now, this match had build. There's history there between Magatyr and Priest because there was a match Clash of the Castle last year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Which was Maguire versus Priest and Magatyr would have won the belt if it wasn't for some wonderfully timed interference from Jim Park. I love that. that whole angle. But you can see
Starting point is 00:51:11 that there was like clearly unfinished business there. Priest won that match and then it would make sense if Magatire was
Starting point is 00:51:21 to win this match. But also like you said the role McIntyre has been on he needed a good cool ass win at Rustmania and he got one.
Starting point is 00:51:32 You know this match was I thought this much was fun I'm not a huge fan of like crazy ass fucking you know weapons matches but they did
Starting point is 00:51:40 a good job with this one. It wasn't like too insane, but just insane enough for you're like, oh dude, this is fun, you know? Got into it. Yeah. So, John, did you... I liked it. Any thoughts on this one, Damied Priest or McIntyre?
Starting point is 00:51:56 Yeah, I mean, yeah, again, like, it pretty much has been said already, really. Like, I thought it was a fun match. You didn't do too much. Like, too over the top or anything. Like, it all made sense, and it all felt, like, quite fresh as well, like, some of the, the way they were using the weapons and whatnot.
Starting point is 00:52:22 And the finish itself, where he hit the Claymore, where priest's head was against a chair sort of wedged in the corner. That was a cool visual right there. But, yeah, I think the most important thing is the right person won this. and for Drew, he's had a hell of a year that he hasn't always been winning matches or at least the big matches, which matter the most. So it was good to see him get that kind of win on a stage like WrestleMania,
Starting point is 00:52:56 and hopefully that sets him up for, you know, more big stuff as the year progresses. All right, so next up, we have another title match. Braun Breaker, the reigning, defending Intercontinental Change, champion was defending it in a fatal four way against Pentagon, or sorry, he's just Penta in WBE, which maybe, maybe because they own AAA, he'll go back to being Pentagon Jr. Because I feel like that is a better name than Penta. I don't know, Penta, it seems too short for me.
Starting point is 00:53:25 At least it's not... The Pentagon is the fucking shape. Like, what the fuck does that me? But that's what he's been. I mean, it's better than... It's better than Penta L0M as he was in... Correct. Correct.
Starting point is 00:53:42 So anyway, against Penta, Finn Baller, and Dominic Mysterio. Thoughts on this one? Well, I thought going into this, if it was just Braun Breaker versus Panta, which I would have been happy with, I'd just going to win, right? But once they started making a fatal four way, again, my little smart guys are working away. I'm like, Dominic's going to win because that's going to create tension with him and Finn Baller. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:16 And that's for context. For context, Dominic Mysterio and Finn Baller are part of a team, referred to as Judgment Day, with Finn as the leader and Dominic kind of the weasley, junior, not junior member, but member underneath Finn's leadership. So have him, like, slip, I feel four ways perfect for him to, like, slip away with the bat, by properly. winning it.
Starting point is 00:54:41 Tom Breaker doesn't have to get pinned to lose the belt. It has a built-in storyline with Dominic and Vince already built in. But Penta is clearly in the mix. You can clearly see that there's an opportunity for Penta
Starting point is 00:54:55 and Dominic Mysterio to fight. That's what I imagine is going to happen. Is Penta is going to be the one that leaves Dominic Mysterio? I, again, this match didn't have a huge one of build to it in terms of some of the other matches, but the build that it did have made sense. and I was on board with it.
Starting point is 00:55:11 Yeah, I feel like this is going to be more, there's going to be more fallout to this one than there was buildup because of the aspect of the Finn and Dominic thing. Because Dominic won by pinning Finn. So he pinned his own leader of his stable, so obviously it's going to create tension. Keeps Penta strong because Penta is still new to WB as well. He's only been there for a few months,
Starting point is 00:55:32 a little bit longer than his brother Ray Phoenix. It keeps Bond Breaker strong because he can lose the title without getting pinned, as you mentioned. I mean, it feels like it was perfect. orchestrated. Yeah, dude, I was super into this match. It was, again, another fun match.
Starting point is 00:55:47 Mm-hmm. Like the first match, really sort of fast-paced, and like they didn't really let up at all throughout the whole. I think it's only like 10 minutes long, but it felt like it, you know, flew by because they were just going
Starting point is 00:56:01 at it so hard. Yeah. And, you know, Bronbreaker, especially, is just such a fun guy to because he's such a freak athlete. Like, the way he moves is incredible. You know, it's like watching his dad and his uncle
Starting point is 00:56:18 back in the late 80s, early 90s, when the Steiner's were just, you know, tossing people around. Because that was like the big deal, because he has that ungodly amount of strength like his dad and uncle did. Because I remember the Steiners would throw the road warriors around, and that was such an off-putting experience for Hawk and Animal
Starting point is 00:56:38 because they were the guys. guys that threw people around. So yeah, Breaker definitely has that same level there, and they're clearly high on him. He is crazy strength, but he also was crazy speed. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean,
Starting point is 00:56:53 the build up to this match, that spear that he hit on Carlito where he somehow managed to spear him and land on his feet. Where it's like, what the fuck? He hit him so hard he hit him so hard, he had a front flip and landed on his feet. What the fuck? He fucking killed
Starting point is 00:57:08 Carlito. You know? yeah lots of fun all four of those guys you can do a lot with them and they did I thought that was a really fun match
Starting point is 00:57:19 and it's nice to see Dominic get his flowers as well for some reason he's been one of the best heels over the last few years yeah that's the thing he's been one of the best heels and by doing absolutely nothing
Starting point is 00:57:33 the crowd fucking loved it yeah they were on board to see this guy win I'm like, he's been the best heel for two years and he has not changed at all. He's still a horrible person. In fact, he got worse. Like, when he turned on Rear Ripley, he got worse.
Starting point is 00:57:49 And people were still like... So much worse. Yeah. It's so much worse. You all love him now? Like, are you guys okay? I mean, I think it's part of them just like respecting the hard work he's put in.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Like, oh, yeah, give him the belt. But I'm like, it would have been nice if you could, like, respect the business a bit and fucking boo that guy, you know, because he's supposed to be a horrible heel. Yeah. But there's, we had some of that in the main event as well, which we'll get to where the fans turned on Cody Rhodes, but like no reason whatsoever. We will get, yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Yeah. I'm sure we have some stuff to say with that. Mm-hmm. All right. Well, next stop was a bit of an unexpected match. Randy Orton was originally slotted to face Kevin Owens. Kevin Owens had a, to drop out due to some neck injuries that a lot of people are looting may or may not. the career ending.
Starting point is 00:58:42 But seems pretty serious. Yeah. To make the most of a bad situation, he had an open challenge, and the open challenge was answered by the TNA world champion, Joe Hendry. This was a short match from what I understand, and it was more about Joe Hendry having like a big viral moment because the guy's over online, people love him to death. Thoughts on Joe Hendry and getting this opportunity against Randy Orton.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Real quick, John, let me ask you this. Once it was announced that Kevin Owens wasn't going to be there. Who did you think the replacement Rassler was going to be? Well, at first I thought it was going to be Nick Aldous from like the promo Randy Orton did on the Smackdown after. But then, yeah, they kind of didn't make too many more moves
Starting point is 00:59:39 in that direction and I thought it would have been weird if Nick Aldous had just they'd have to build out they'd have to build up all this a little bit more for it to to come out and be that yeah and I say that I'm a big and so so I would love to see Nick Aldous wrestle again after he's been the general manager of Smackdown for about a year or so yeah but yeah I had no idea who this was going to be like i you know i i was geared up for disappointment and in the end i was very much not disappointed by what happened so kudos to them for doing something genuinely surprising uh and it was everything that it needed to be as well like it didn't need to like go 15 minutes or whatever
Starting point is 01:00:32 no not at all it was all about like the pop and the entrance and joe hendry getting to do his little mannerisms on that stage and yeah you know it totally succeeded I agree I thought it's going to be all this because just the way they've been teasing it
Starting point is 01:00:52 but what on the day I thought what they're going to do is they're going to have Alda's come out as if he's going to wrestle and then go it's actually this guy and they didn't do that which I thought was surprising because that would have been a great tease yeah there was no shortage of people it could have been
Starting point is 01:01:07 I mean Jeff Cobb from New Japan has been rumored to be going to the WB when his contract there is done it over with. But he was actually in Japan on the 19th, so that would have been insane for him to fly to Las Vegas and wrestle a match. Malachi Black. Yeah, Malachi Black is supposedly going to be back soon. Rusev is back, he just turned up on Raw, so it could have been Rusev as well. So to have it be Hendry was a bit of a surprise. Also, I mean, Hendry's made the most of every appearance he's been in the WIBE.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Every time he showed up in NXT several times and it always did really good numbers. He showed up in the Royal Rumble and that got tons of views online. So people love Joe Hendry. I saw somebody say it was rumored that Jeff Hardy could have been the guy to replace Kevin Owens. I don't. I don't know how legit that is. I don't think you would want to see Jeff Hardy in a singles capacity anymore. Like the Hardie's both, their hips and knees are so shot.
Starting point is 01:02:13 They're totally fine doing tag matches because it keeps the load soft for both of them. But yeah, I don't think you want to see Jeff Hardy in a singles match in 2025. I reckon you could squeeze a marquee wrestling media match next year with the Hardy Boys in a tag team match. Yeah. I don't think Jeff Hardy versus Randy Orden in 2025 would have been that good of a match. I really liked this match. know it wasn't very long. I just thought it was fun. The fucking ending was perfect. Yeah. Good God. They did that so well. And that's the thing about Randy Orton's finish, the RKO.
Starting point is 01:02:51 For years, it has been built up as it's an out-of-nower finish. The match can end at any time as soon as Randy hits it. So, I mean, it's totally fine that the match went three minutes because Randy hit that move and everybody knows it. It's established. There's so much to that why it. I saw some people. Even Stevie Richards was like, I think they, I don't want to smart Steve
Starting point is 01:03:15 Richard, so I love. He's wrong about this. Listen, man. Rondie Orton has been in the game for fucking ever, right? Joe Hendrick didn't know he was going to fight Rondy Orton. Joe Hendry has had no experience of WrestleMania. Randi Orden is a 13-time world heavyweight champion.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Right? This, this outcome does not at all Burry Joe Hendry, right? I think that it makes Orton look like Orton, but I think that Joe Henry did the best he could against a legitimate champion.
Starting point is 01:03:50 Right? Not to say that Joe Hendry is a legitimate champion because he's a teenage champion. But you know what he mean? Like, like, there's more pedigree to Ronnie Orton than there is to Joe Hendry at the moment. And that's not a knock on Joe Hendry. And it seems very obvious that as soon as Joe's
Starting point is 01:04:06 contract with TNAs up, the obvious movies he's going to go to WVE. Correct. So they're obviously very high on him. I think that this is just a little showcase to show, look, he can perform at WrestleMania. If you like them here, you're going to fucking love him next year. You know what he mean? I don't think this was a detriment to Joe Hendry at all. I really enjoyed this.
Starting point is 01:04:27 Well, I think the only thing that kind of, you know, I didn't enjoy that much was Orton hitting the second RKO after the match. Like that was kind of unnecessary. Well, he gave him the chest pat, you know, the, the, the good job kid,
Starting point is 01:04:46 you know, chest pat afterwards. Yeah, yeah. Because, I mean, that's also very much in Randy's character as well as he's kind of a dick, whether he's a face or a heel. He's just an asshole. It's like Steve Austin, like, stunner people all the time. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:05:01 And then he'll, like, fear, and then he'll stun him anyway. You know what's going to happen. You know what's going to happen. I always enjoyed those Steve Austin moments where like the other person knows it's going to happen
Starting point is 01:05:15 but they have to go through with it and you kind of like see it in their face they're like yeah this is going to suck but I got to do it it's always good whenever like he gives the beer to the guy and he's the guy chugging the beer and then there's a bit where he's almost finished
Starting point is 01:05:28 a beer and he's like uh oh I know what happened I know it would be kind of like was it down and Austin's like well and then Stunners him I gotta do it but what I really liked about Steve Austin
Starting point is 01:05:44 is whenever he drove his ATV Wad bike oh no not even the one you're thinking of totally past the fucking entrance ramp and they get lost underneath the entrance ramp and then needed like three guys to guide him back
Starting point is 01:06:01 and then he had to go back up the ramp and then down the ramp and then all the way around and then he hits some fucking woman in the barricade Well, yeah, he hits the barricade, and the barricade knocks the woman back. That woman did not get hit by that barricade. No, no, absolutely. She got scared.
Starting point is 01:06:18 She got scared. He took a bump. Took a bump. She took a bump. If she's going to take a bump. WrestleMania, perfect place. If she's going to take a bump, she may as well as just taking a stutter. Just a crisp flatback bump.
Starting point is 01:06:32 He may as well just stuttered her, right? All right. Well, I think we talked about Joe Hendry versus Rand Yorton, longer than the match itself lasted. At some point, Austin comes out. The reason we're talking to this, at some point Steve Austin comes out to say
Starting point is 01:06:48 the attendance is like 60,000 or whatever, 120,000 for two nights. He comes out and a quad bike and then tries to drive away. Is it before or after? I think he hits... It was right before the main event. Yeah, so he's trying to drive away
Starting point is 01:07:05 and then he like fucking loses control of the bike and hits the barricade and some woman's like, like that, which is just cowardly. Like, it wasn't going that fast. No. Well, so let's get back into... You have a thought you want to fish?
Starting point is 01:07:23 I couldn't remember what the match order was. I couldn't remember if that awesome bit happened after that match or after the next match. It's two matches from now. So we got this match that we're about to talk about and then the one after. So the match mentioned earlier is we had AJ Stiles versus social media star Logan Paul, who has now been doing some of the NBA for about a year, a little bit more than a year.
Starting point is 01:07:51 More like two or three years. Two or three years, I'd say. Yeah, yeah. So we have Logan Paul versus AJ Stiles, carrying cross involved in that as well, but not in the match itself. Logan Paul is one of the most I will say that There are people who love him, obviously, because he wouldn't have the millions of subscribers
Starting point is 01:08:18 to the various social media platforms if they didn't, but he's also a very detestable human being who is basically just manipulates people for money. So one of those things he's manipulated people for money is he's used his natural athletic prowess to become a professional wrestler sometimes. I mean, wouldn't you say that manipulating people for money is exactly what pro wrestling is all the body? Sure.
Starting point is 01:08:44 We just talked about the marks, right? So what was the, what was the, I know the buildup for this involved carrying Cross and a lot of him trying to convince AJ Styles to like do whatever it takes to beat Logan Paul for the pride of professional wrestling and pro wrestlers. But like, what were your thoughts on the match itself? because like you said, AJ Stiles is one of the best ever, ever. And Logan Paul is, you know, like you said, a very naturally gifted athlete who took to wrestling very easily. It's frustrating how good Logan Paul is. It's so irritating. Because he's such an irritating person anyway, for him to be so naturally good at this and as a heel, it's so much more irritating.
Starting point is 01:09:32 Because he's got so much to work with. it's so easy for him to go I'm the best at this because he's probably correct he's very good he's very very good I mean he's not the best you know what he mean
Starting point is 01:09:46 like he's taking it so quickly for a guy that couldn't give a fuck about wrestling at all just a cash grab this good of wrestling like people you know
Starting point is 01:09:59 to talk about how good Kurt Angle was in this first year he had fucking years of being an amateur wrestler. He knew how to wrestle. Logan Paul didn't. Yeah. Logan Paul was just a fucking douchebag on the internet. I know he's like an incredible pro wrestler.
Starting point is 01:10:14 So it's so, it's so annoying to have to constantly after every single Logan Paul match say, that guy's really good. Yeah. He put it up there against AJ Styles, so you said one of the best ever.
Starting point is 01:10:29 One of the best ever. What are you going to get? What are you going to get other than a good match? right so um what are your what are your thoughts on this uh at one at one point in the match logan paul hits the craziest lion sort i've ever seen right he literally springs like three quarters across the ring pretty much all the way across and it's like how in there how did he just do that oh but it's it perfect yeah yeah absolutely nails it Like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:11:05 He is a hell of an athlete. He's a great dude. He's very, very good at professional wrestling. But, yeah, I think the buildup was non-existent for the most part. Like, it was mostly... I feel like that's why Gary and Cross got brought into it because Logan Paul is one of those guys that shows up very sporadically. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Absolutely. And I'm kind of glad. that Harry and Cross did get involved because it gave him a chance to kind of you know Oh yeah, give a chance to talk to play in WrestleMania as well.
Starting point is 01:11:43 Yeah. Yeah, and he's obviously he excels at talking so, you know, let him do that. But you know, the match itself was good. I don't think it was great. I think there was I don't know,
Starting point is 01:11:59 there's something missing from it. Like, I think the ending kind of was a bit disappointing as well because it was just the same old thing that we've seen in so many Logan Paul matches where one of his followers or
Starting point is 01:12:15 you know hangers on yeah they try and get involved and that distraction usually ends up helping Logan Paul win matches so yeah and then the carrying cross thing
Starting point is 01:12:31 and he shows up as well and tries to get AJ to do what he needs to do to win the match and AJ's like no I'm not going to use brass knucks I'll just beat him on my own and obviously it backfires so that
Starting point is 01:12:49 that feels like at least it's setting up some story going forward but like yeah it was just a like showcase match I guess. It was the reason to get Logan Paul on the card essentially, I think.
Starting point is 01:13:05 Yes. Yeah. I imagine the setting up Caring Cross versus AJ Styles, which I don't have a problem with. It's a good way to get Logan Paul on the card. I agree with you that, like, the problem I had with this wasn't that it's always Logan Paul's lackey's getting involved because he's a heel, right? That's a part of it. But this time, all you see is like some fucking guy like creeping a lot, like,
Starting point is 01:13:31 by the apron. He's just like creeping like, dude, I'm like, who the fuck is this? He's just looked like some regular ass dude, right?
Starting point is 01:13:39 Yeah. I'm like, who is this? And then the announcers were trying. Or he's his manager or whatever. I don't know. Was it his manager?
Starting point is 01:13:47 It was something like that, wasn't it? I think it's just his friend. I don't know. It was just some fucking guy, right? And he's just dressed. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Jeff, it just says Jeff, a member of Paul's entourage. Jeff. Just Jeff. Correct. Jeff, aka some fucking guy, right? So some fucking guy is interfering in Logan Paul's wrestling media match. And security guards are like, that's fine.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Yeah, what? That's world famous Jeff. That's world famous Jeff. I'm not going to get involved with world famous Jeff. Jeff. Because it's different if it's like, you know, like, last year, Logan Paul had the guy dressed up as a prime bottle. That's the reason for that guy to be at ringside. Why was Jeff, where did he come from?
Starting point is 01:14:33 What the fuck? Was he under the ring? Do you remember a few years ago where the Andre the Giant Battle Royal was at WrestleMania and Rob Gruncowski was supposed to get in the ring and get involved, but security didn't know who he was? So they just thought it was some fan who jumped the guardrail. And the bravest woman I've ever seen in my entire life grabs this NFL player and is like trying to hold him back while he's trying to explain he's supposed to get involved. We need more security guards like that.
Starting point is 01:15:04 They couldn't stop Jeff, though. Couldn't stop Jeff. Didn't stop Jeff. Did you see apparently Logan Paul offered Stone Cold Steve Austin like a million dollars or something to dress up in the prime bottle and Stone Cold turned him down? I can't imagine why. Yeah. No. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 01:15:25 I mean, he really wanted to have running someone over. Yeah. Exactly. So the penultimate match, but we have for the WB Women's Tag Team Championship, where Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez of the Judgment Day faced off against, is it, I can never remember the pronunciation of her name, is it Lyra Valcairia? Valkyria. Alkiria.
Starting point is 01:15:51 Valkyria. Lyra Valkyria and a mystery partner, because originally her partner was supposed to be Bailey, but Bailey was found beaten up night one. And her mystery partner was revealed to be a returning Becky Lynch. So this, of course, led to Becky Lynch and Lyra succeeding. They were, was Lyra trained by Becky Lynch? I know there is a connection there. Well, they're both Irish.
Starting point is 01:16:17 I think they may have gone to the same school, but many years apart. Yeah, they're, yeah, yeah. But they kind of connected. They kind of connected to an Irish mafia in America. in the 1920s. Okay, because the Irish Mafia in Ireland, not a thing. No. No, when they came over to America, they started a thing in New York.
Starting point is 01:16:42 I mean, if it's Irish Mafia in America, you could call that American Mafia. Well, no, these were all immigrants. In America? Yes. Escaping because of the potato famine. John, whose fault was that? Whose fault was the potato famine? We're pointing fingers
Starting point is 01:17:04 You always say that 100 years later We're still pointing fingers But yes And listen It's a very sore topic Over and Ireland Let me think
Starting point is 01:17:13 It's a real big deal So So anyway We have our women's tag team match Between Liv and Raquel And Lyra and Becky Lynch So thoughts Okay
Starting point is 01:17:24 I have something really That annoyed me So much By this So much Was that up to this point I was on a
Starting point is 01:17:36 prediction clean sweep I got every match correct and I got the main event correct the only match I got incorrect was this match and the reason that I picked Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez to win was because they already announced that
Starting point is 01:17:52 on NXT two days later they were going to fight um Gigi Dolan and uh... Tepin Paxley there were faces So I'm like, rest and brie and Obviously the heels are going to win
Starting point is 01:18:05 So that they fight the faces Right? No, what happened was Feel Good moment, Becky Lynch comes back, wins the belts with their young protege A Lara of Akiria. I'm like, oh, that's nice. And then a day later, on Raw,
Starting point is 01:18:21 they have a match for no reason. Rematch. Rematch. Re-match clause. There's not no reason. Come on, 24 hours. I'm so annoyed. you lose the belts back to live and Raquel
Starting point is 01:18:35 who then go on to defend the championships against the challengers at MXT and I'm like guys couldn't you have just done that at WrestleMania and have me I've never had a 100% prediction screen ever
Starting point is 01:18:50 that was as close as I'm ever going to get and here's a thing everybody was like the reason that Liv and Raquel are going to win is because Becky Lynch is going to turn on Larry Volkeria and just fucking beat her up together that United States Championship offer.
Starting point is 01:19:06 And then they did that angle the next damn raw. Intercontinental. Oh yeah, it is. It is a good. You could have just done that on the pay-per-view and let me have my victory.
Starting point is 01:19:16 Do you think the reason why they did it was because of what happens in the main event and we're like, we can't piss them off twice? I think they just wanted to swir. I think they wanted to swerp.
Starting point is 01:19:26 I think they thought that people would think like I thought that they've already announced it's going to be these guys at NXT on Tuesday I think they wanted something special
Starting point is 01:19:36 for the raw after rest of media on Monday. I think they wanted a title change there as well. So I think those factors came into it. They were like, well, we're going to plan ahead and go, we'll give them something to remember. If you stick around over the whole weekend,
Starting point is 01:19:50 you're going to have something to remember. I just, I'm annoyed about that. And to be fair, liable Kirill, I love her fucking entrance with the wings. Yeah. You know? Oh, I love. that. Great stuff. You got to root for
Starting point is 01:20:04 the Irish connection. You got to love that. But I thought the match was good. Johnny's thoughts. It was decent. It wasn't the best tag team match that I've seen Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez have because I think they've had some absolute
Starting point is 01:20:20 bangers over the last couple of months or so, like against some really good opponents. But this sort of never really felt like it got into that high gear. Like the rematch on Raw was actually
Starting point is 01:20:36 probably better than this match, I thought. But I think the thing that sticks out with me is I feel really bad for Bailey that she ends up missing out on WrestleMania, not because she's legitimately injured,
Starting point is 01:20:52 but because of like the whole angle that's being played out with Becky and Lyra. So, you know, Bailey ends up paying the price for that and missing out on the bigger fare of the year. So I do have a few, I have a few thoughts. I have a few thoughts on that and a couple of other things.
Starting point is 01:21:12 So I do want to put across that Liv Morgan has been doing the best work of her career since joining Judgment Day and being paired up with Dominic. She's been phenomenal in that sort of obnoxious role that she's been put in. This is the best use of Raquel Lynch that you're going to get, not Raquel Rodriguez, Um, they have, they tried really hard to make her a solo thing and she, she's just devoid of personality unless paired with Liv. Like that, they work so well together and this is the best use for her. I, it's probably going to be, was it revealed who attacked Bailey or is it a mystery thing? It's still a mystery at this point.
Starting point is 01:21:54 So obviously it's going to be Becky Lynch. And I think that's what they're building to is Becky versus Bailey. Because Becky's, or Bailey did an interview. recently talking about how she's not viewed on the same level as Charlotte and Becky Lynch. That's what I was going to say. Even that feels like it feels a bit too close to the whole Jade Naomi Bianca Bellas storyline as well. That I agree with. My brother said good old Triple H picking out the same four storylines that he always does. But I do you think that I yes, well, AAA knows four storylines.
Starting point is 01:22:32 That's it. But I feel like this is just going to lead to Becky versus Bealey on the line, which I don't hate. You know, obviously, you know, you want Beale to have a WrestleMania, have a storyline, whatever. You remember that pro wrestling is all about storylines and leading to the next bit. It's always about advancing to the next part. And this is just a cog in the wheel to get to...
Starting point is 01:22:55 Well, in the... I mean, Bailey did just win the women. She won the world title, the women's world title last WrestleMania as well. So it's not like, she's not devoid of opportunities. I think Bailey is just easy to overlook, to be honest with you. There's just something about her that doesn't stick out as well. But she's so good, though. She's very good.
Starting point is 01:23:16 And I think that she's a good hand. And I think she's got like that Ricky Steamboat thing? Like Ricky Steamboat. I don't know. I just think good hand can always turn up in the main event, but like was never seen on the same level as like Rick Flair. maybe i just think if you work bealee versus ecky lynch right now that's going to do one this and both of them it'll do a lot for billy i think that's not a bad thing you know what you mean be like you said she was rest of mealy last year she's going to be in rest of minas again she's been
Starting point is 01:23:48 in rest of meetings before having her off one rest of media i don't think it's a big deal because it's an angle it's leading to something else you know anyway and then stone cold like runs her over yeah and it's still cold stevaast immediately after this is the stone cold stevast a bit where he runs over an old lady and then tells everybody, hey, we did really well, and a lot of people are here in that fun. He didn't. He didn't. He said, we did it, but you didn't do fucking anything, man.
Starting point is 01:24:15 He hit that woman with an ATD. That's what he did. He didn't even hit her properly. No. Lazy mother. He didn't. Come on, man. So, next up is the main event, which I imagine we will be,
Starting point is 01:24:26 will be maybe a lengthy topic for discussion. Cody Rhodes defends the WB championship against John Sina. The buildup for this was a head scratcher, obviously, because it had a great moment and then weeks of kind of confusion and people not being around. So John Sina, of course, turned heel on Cody Rhodes at the Elimination Chamber. When the Rock basically wanted Cody to align with him, Cody told him to go fuck himself quite literally.
Starting point is 01:25:00 literally, and John Sina celebrated and then revealed that he had already been in a partnership of the Rock by kicking Cody in the balls. And then Travis Scott, a rapper that I don't really think much of anything about, got involved and potentially ruptured Cody's eardrum by shoot slapping him in the side of the head. That led to The Rock not showing up at all for weeks and not even at WrestleMania and then doing a confusing interview afterwards saying that the final boss character is done, which,
Starting point is 01:25:37 what? I think the context of that interview was that he meant the match at WrestleMania should have just been Cody Rhodes and John Cena. I don't think the context of what he said meant
Starting point is 01:25:51 that the final boss character was done for good. No, no, no. Then there should have been an explanation for why the Rock wasn't there then. But correct. And also I think that if if the Rock
Starting point is 01:26:04 said the match should have been Cody Rhodes versus John Cena without the Rock involved, I'm like that's fine. But then Travis Scott got involved. Why is Travis Scott there and not the Rock? Like that's why
Starting point is 01:26:19 why is he there? Nobody's talent is why Travis Scott just turns up to fuck over Cody Rhodes. The Rock makes sense in the storyline they're telling. fair enough why does Travis Scott just get to
Starting point is 01:26:32 walk around backstage and they come out and interfere like that's not being made clear the rock should have done a better job
Starting point is 01:26:39 of expanding and to be fair the rock did say the way it went down that's not exactly the way I would have done it I'm like well then fucking do it
Starting point is 01:26:47 you leasy prick like what the fuck they're in fucking Hawaii come on do it right that's part of it I didn't like
Starting point is 01:26:57 the Travis Scott stuff, but I didn't like the Travis Scott stuff at all. I don't see why he should be involved. I think a lot of people are like that, too. Well, I mean, especially you look at Cody Rhodes, slab of beef. You look at John Cini, even though he's not nearly as big as he used to be, slab of beef. And then you look at Travis Scott, who is 130 pounds if he's lucky. So having him involved physically is a fucking joke.
Starting point is 01:27:22 Correct. But anyway, yeah, so the buildup, Rock's not around. Trappist Scott's not around. Sina's only there for a couple of shows in the two-month build, and a lot of it is just Cody coming out and promoting the match on his own. So we have the main events. A lot of people are not fans of it. So let's talk about the match itself.
Starting point is 01:27:43 What are your thoughts? I thought the match was fine. It was very slow, but I think that was on purpose. A lot of the matches at WrestleMania had been very fast-paced and very, like, in your face. and Sina has come back to destroy the WWE or whatever. It makes sense that he would slow things down and do like a different kind of match.
Starting point is 01:28:06 I didn't hate the match. I didn't, I wasn't like wide by it as much as I was by a lot of the other matches on Rustinia. I think that was by design. I think they did that on purpose. But I will say, like you had mentioned earlier, night one ended with the heel very clearly going on top
Starting point is 01:28:30 night two very clearly ended with the heel going on top I don't know if I would have done that downer down at WrestleMania for sure very interesting it's a very interesting way to do things I don't disagree with the winner I thought if that's what you're going to do have johnson to win and then have cody roads
Starting point is 01:28:51 beat him later on fair enough right Cody can chase the bout. That's not a big deal. Cody's still going to be a fierce. Problem that we pointed out a moment ago was that the crowd kept booing Cody Rhodes. And I've never, never, and I've been to crowds, I've seen shows.
Starting point is 01:29:13 People love Cody Rhodes. That rest of media audience is not indicative of the wider audience. People love Cody Rhodes. I think it might be a Rock Hogan thing from 2002 where people were just happy to see John Sina. Yeah. You know what you mean? They like, this is John Sina's last run.
Starting point is 01:29:35 We're happy to see him. We don't want to see who he's up against. And I don't know if that's what they're going for. But I don't hate it. I think Cody is a good guy to chase the belt. I hope they've done a really good job of Cody as champion. ironically enough as John Cena used to be the guy that could
Starting point is 01:29:54 the baby face that could just hold the belt forever. It doesn't happen to she has the championship and I feel like he's going to get back to that soon. Yeah. Once his Cody Rhodes will just be the champion for a long time. Well yeah I mean Cody was champion for a year he won it at last WrestleMania and
Starting point is 01:30:11 he did. And Triple H who's booking this is an NWA guy and baby faces never hold the championship for very long in the NWA. You're mentioning the Cody getting booed thing. It's very, and because it's, your theory is because he was facing Sina, and it's one of Sina, it's, it's seen as last WrestleMania. And so people are just kind of there. It kind of reminds me, I remember hearing, like, Henry Rollins talk about being a kid and
Starting point is 01:30:42 seeing, like, ACDC play. And the opening band was, I think it was, I think it was. I think it was Van Halen. Like early Van Halen while they were still, like, getting established, and they were getting booed. And, like, of course, David Lee Roth, is David Lee Roth. He didn't give a shit. He still was, you know, performing.
Starting point is 01:31:02 But it was just, he was mentioning, like, you're going to get booed no matter what, because the people are there to see ACDC, and you are an obstacle keeping them from seeing ACDC. Right. John, where are your thoughts? I mean, Kevin was a lot more complimentary about the match than I probably would be.
Starting point is 01:31:26 Yeah, go for it, bud. It was, I know it was by design, like Sina wrestling as a heel and trying not to do anything flashy or anything, which it's fair enough, but this is the main event of
Starting point is 01:31:41 WrestleMania, the main event of two days of WrestleMania, and grief, it was just a boring match, like, it just felt like it dragged on, and on and then that's before you get into all the video that happened at the end as well like like you say Travis Scott
Starting point is 01:32:03 who hasn't said one word on WW TV so like why are we supposed to care about him or see him as a big deal because unless you know who Travis Scott is and like have an idea of what his personality is I you know I don't I have no reason to care about this guy whatsoever. So to have him show up and very slowly meander his way down to the ring and like slow down what was already like a painfully slow match. And then like it just makes Cody look like an idiot as well. Like yeah, he's got the title and he could hit Sina with the belt and he kind of pulls back
Starting point is 01:32:52 and Sina's begging off and then he falls for like I don't know what it was like an eye poke or a kick to the groin or something it's like Jesus it makes Cody look like an idiot as well and the whole lack of the rock being there is just
Starting point is 01:33:09 it's absolutely baffling that they would start this storyline with Tina turning heel with the rock like the whole premise was someone selling this all to the rock and for him to like you know have sena sell his soul to him and then there's no follow-up no mention of the rock whatsoever for weeks on end like well what the fuck was the point of that in the
Starting point is 01:33:37 first place why didn't they save the heel turn for rassalmania where sena could have done it on his own steam without the rock being involved at all because the rock being there at elimination chamber and doing all of his like you know it sets up like hogging exactly and that expectation just leads to disappointment when he doesn't show up so for him to come out afterwards and start like saying oh i wasn't needed i wanted to put the spotlight on those guys it's like dude you've been in this business for so long you've made movies you know how to tell a story surely you can see how that is going to be so unsatisfying to so many people
Starting point is 01:34:24 I don't know you got to know that the end of this is important you're the rock you're involved in this you have to know that your involvement in this is going to be important to the story well so the rock is years of especially after leaving wrestling of basically putting in
Starting point is 01:34:44 evidence that he is a very egosentering person and is mainly concerned about his own shit. The contract that, you know, when you bring him into a movie, he can't lose a fight, you know, like that is established. That is a thing he's done. Him attempting to strongarm the DC movie universe by that terrible Black Adam movie that took way too long to fucking make and put out that was terrible and nobody liked.
Starting point is 01:35:13 And then trying to, you know, get it to tie into the larger DC universe with bringing in Henry Cavill. I mean, it was so bad that they reset their universe. I mean, that's just it. Have you seen that film? Black Adam? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:31 It's dreadful. You both seen it? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Can we talk about that in the show sometime? Sure. Because, like, I like the JSA, and I like Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate, brilliant casting. Like, probably a shining moment in that movie is in that role.
Starting point is 01:35:55 But... Irish. Once again, Irish ones sticking out. You know what I mean? But, yeah. Best... Bond. So, really, best bond.
Starting point is 01:36:06 Not Connery. Oh, listen. Gold and I was great. Dad another day was shite. Yeah. So... It's fucking woo. So, anyway, like, I would not put it.
Starting point is 01:36:18 it passed because like the Rock's explanation was like oh tickets the elimination chamber weren't selling that well so Ari Emanuel asked me to come in and do some stuff I really don't believe that like no I don't believe that either because they've been making so much money and their attendance have been so high I refuse to believe that one slow ticket sale for an event was enough for them to just completely crumple up the restomania build and throw it off the fucking window. Especially because... Hulk Hogan levels of bullshit.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Oh, yeah. Well, that was the rumor that the whole the Becky Lynch thing as well as that Becky wanted to save the heel turn for Raw and not do it at WrestleMania as well. So, like, there's a... There might be too many people with, you know, an ear for creative control
Starting point is 01:37:07 is, I guess what I'm saying. But yeah, no, I absolutely... Because, I mean, like, the Rock, his whole trying to strong arm his way into main eventing last year against Roman and the backlash being so strong that they had to pivot and then then act like that was the plan the whole fucking time. Yes. One thing I liked about that was it very clearly showed that people wanted Cody Rhodes.
Starting point is 01:37:33 Yes. And I think that if anything has been learned from this, it's that this is just another way to get more shine on Cody Rhodes. Yeah. I think the end result of this is going to be more like props to Cody Rhodes, which I think, in the long term I'm done with but in the short term I feel like
Starting point is 01:37:54 there was a missed opportunity at this rest of media Rock should have been here yeah I mean obviously you should have been there and it's kind of almost an excusable for him not to be there because that's what that Pat McAfee interview
Starting point is 01:38:08 was it was just excuses for why I wasn't there it was not acceptable yeah it was just not like he could say it but you're like that's not great we don't buy us Yeah. Well, and then, of course, like, The Rock always breaking K-Fave immediately after these things in the press conferences, talking about the character he plays and, like, all this great work and we're creating these moments. This is weird.
Starting point is 01:38:32 But I hate press conferences at wrestling events anyway, because I feel like it defeats the whole fucking purpose of what you're doing. Anyway. Right. Anyway, yeah, it's, it is apparent that, you know, the Rock has his creative control and that he, he gets to overrule what Triple H is doing booking-wise. I mean, you know, I think it's the right move that
Starting point is 01:38:59 Cina won the title. I just think the way it all played out. The road there and the match itself was just not good for what I understand. It was bumpy. And to his credit, Cody Rhodes did the best he could.
Starting point is 01:39:14 Cody Rhodes cut some very, very good promos. And even whenever he was in the ring with Sina, right? There were, that's people used to say. If he can hang with Sina, he can hang with anybody. He hung with Sina. Yeah. He, well,
Starting point is 01:39:28 it was, I, the last problem he did, right? Like, he fucking pulled some good stuff out of his, of his hat. I was really impressed with, like, hi, he was able to turn the crowd back on his side. Well, I mean, Cody is his dad's son. I mean, Dusty, one of the best promos of all time. I will say that I didn't care for Cody having the belt
Starting point is 01:39:53 and thinking about hitting John with it and then not hitting John with it because it kind of goes to this point where I don't know why we're afraid of having a baby face with an edge because like Sina kicked you in the dick, beat you up at the end of Elimination Chamber, he's mocked you, he's derided you, he's tried to say that you are a pretender,
Starting point is 01:40:14 why are you going to show mercy now? like there's nothing wrong with the baby face having an edge to him because like Dusty would have absolutely taken that shot like that is a very old school thing for the baby face to be like that's the heel I'm not going to show him any mercy because he's not going to show me any mercy but also to like what we kind of pointed to earlier it's very similar to the end of the Logan Paul AJ Styles match
Starting point is 01:40:41 where styles have the opportunity to do something to finish the job and he didn't because he's a good guy in the bag I took advantage of him. Like, well, that happened twice in one show and it's, you know, it's no sporic stories. You know, it's four stories. What I'm talking about?
Starting point is 01:40:58 To have that kind of stuff play out twice on the same night on WrestleMania is a bit telling. And it's a bit of a shame as well because you're like, this could have been... I think everybody is annoyed about the end of the scene of a match.
Starting point is 01:41:14 Yeah. Not the result of the Cina match. I think we all were like Cina's supposed to win. I think everybody's annoyed at the way the ending went on. That could have been booked much better. And yet the Rock should have been involved. If the Rock was involved, we would have bought it a lot more than if Travis Scott got in the fucking ring, right? That doesn't make any sense.
Starting point is 01:41:37 A lot of it was a little bit just unbelievable. but not in a good way. I don't believe why Travis Scott would be here. I don't know why this would happen. I don't, yeah, like you said, I don't know why Cody Rhodes wouldn't just take advantage
Starting point is 01:41:56 when he gets a chance because, like, we pointed out a lot during the show, the pretense of it being good guy versus a guy and realistic is out the window. If we're doing a show like this, it would make sense
Starting point is 01:42:11 that Cody Rhodes would do what he can do to beat John Sina and to stop John Sina from running away with the championship like he said he would do and for Cody Rose to not do that
Starting point is 01:42:24 doesn't make Cody look great I will admit to that I didn't think a lot of it didn't make Cody look too bad but I do admit that like if the storyline going into this was Cody Rhodes
Starting point is 01:42:39 has to stop John Sina from just taking the belt and running off with it, then Cody Roads could have done a little bit more to try and stop John Cena from taking the belt and running away with it, you know?
Starting point is 01:42:55 So, I don't know. And what I find really funny was on the raw after WrestleMania, John Cena does this whole count down where he says everybody got 28 dates left. What are you going to do about it?
Starting point is 01:43:11 and his clear next challenger is going to be Randy Orton and I'm like man that's really funny because there have been many many years to me as a wrestling fan where I was sick to the back teeth stick to the back teeth
Starting point is 01:43:34 to seeing Randy Orton versus John Cena and they were like that's what we're going to do I'm like that's And again, I don't hate that. If it's the last time, you got to run it back. You got to run it at some point. Right now? I think Randy...
Starting point is 01:43:51 It's been so long since they've had a match together as well. So it's not like... And Rating's... It's been a bit. That's almost 10 years ago. It's 2016, yeah. Yeah, I was said 2016. This is random gas, you know.
Starting point is 01:44:07 So... That's right. And yeah, you know, Randy, Jordan John, seen that they both get on in years. Yep. So real quick, before we get to final thoughts,
Starting point is 01:44:17 I do want to point out, Russell, WrestleMania 41 is the most successful and highest grossing event in WB history. It was also the most viewed WrestleMania of all time, which is up 114% for the record
Starting point is 01:44:28 it's set at last year's event. So regardless of... Can we clarify the fact? Yes. Really quickly clarify the fact that last year it was not on Netflix. This year, it's been the most...
Starting point is 01:44:45 Well, it might have been a Netflix for you guys. I think it was on Peacock in America, though. It was on Netflix for us. For most of the world, it was on Netflix. So I would say the reason it's the most viewed WrestleMania is because it's the most easy accessible wrestling media. Yes. We used to watch it on the network, which I loved.
Starting point is 01:45:05 I love the network, but that's for Restifans. Netflix, if you're on Netflix at that time and see the rest media is on, you'd be like, I'll give it a go, I'll give it a watch. It used to watch Rest Media, I'll watch it now. Why do you think that Netflix's numbers for Restimedia are so much bigger than that was whenever it was on fucking whatever TV show was on? Because now worldwide, people are able to access it easier. So I would say that, yes, Rest Media this year was much more accessible than last year's. Yeah. And that's why the viewership has gone up.
Starting point is 01:45:41 What's funny is, I remember last year, I feel like I remember last year they announced like 80,000 attendance both nights. But apparently they didn't, because this year was like 60,000 both nights and is the highest in rest media. And I was sure last year was like 80,000. So I'm very confused. So I'm going to look that up. But while I do.
Starting point is 01:46:07 If you guys want to just do a quick summary of just overall, how you felt it did. The episode's getting, we're getting a little long. We already knew it was going to be a long one. I don't want it to be over two hours, and it's looking like we're going to get close to that. We'll do two nights. Two nights. So anyway, yeah, what were your, all in all, what were your thoughts? John, do you want me to do them?
Starting point is 01:46:32 I mean, I think between the two nights, I think there was, you know, one very good show. Like if you take pretty much the undercard from the Sunday and the main event from the Saturday, I think that would be a hell of a WrestleMania. Yes. There was a lot of stuff on there that was just kind of, it was okay, it wasn't bad,
Starting point is 01:46:56 it just didn't necessarily feel WrestleMania worthy. I agree with that. I don't want to go back to the days when WrestleMania was seven hours long. But I do think that most of night two, I then took the main event, the opener, and the 5-2-A-night match from night one, and combined them,
Starting point is 01:47:20 that's your WrestleMania. That's, that would have been great. But again, that would have been like seven hours long. So, Dylan, to clarify, night one of WrestleMania 40 did 60,00036. night two did 60,203. So that's WrestleMania 40. WrestleMania 41,
Starting point is 01:47:42 Night 1 did 57,037, so less than night 1 in the previous year. But night 2 did 60,343. So they did a little over 100 more than they did last year on night two. Okay, I think that's bullshit. So. Because I mean, it's wrestling. numbers so yeah you got to take it with a good pinch of
Starting point is 01:48:06 exactly it's all it's all nonsense so anyway folks speaking of nonsense we're going to go ahead and wrap her up uh John what your movie count out I am at 329
Starting point is 01:48:24 329 uh was the last one you watched uh it was a movie called six weeks with Dudley Moore and Mary Tyler Moore and
Starting point is 01:48:37 It was about a politician who befriends a dying kid, and then, yeah, they kind of hang out and there's a guy. And it's very sad. It's exactly the pick me up I needed when I got home from work today. Dylan, I understand that you are busy with a new project. Do you? What's that? Aren't you doing radio now? Oh, you saw on Instagram?
Starting point is 01:49:10 Yeah. Okay. This is funny because I'm going to talk about this and I and the two to three episodes aren't going to mention the radio at all. So that's funny. But, yes, I have a new radio show. Try three. Three episodes are not going to have any mention. Unless you mentioned it last week, then it's four.
Starting point is 01:49:31 I was going to, but I was too high. So a month from now, remember that Dylan has a radio show. My radio show, it's a local radio show in Atlanta, but the good thing about it is you can access it worldwide. You can access it online. It's ByncedigitalRadio.coded UK, I think. And, oh, I have the flyer. Bynce Digital Radio.competentU.K.
Starting point is 01:50:05 There it is. Right here. There's one of these ones. That one right. If you go there on Monday nights, 9 to 11, UK time. Corey, you can probably do the math and say what that is. Five hours. It's five hours different.
Starting point is 01:50:22 So, yeah, it would be 4 o'clock. 4 o'clock. I'm going to be playing loads of really cool fucking rock music. I already have my playlist for next week written down. By next week, I mean three weeks ago. Three or four weeks ago. Yeah. But if you like Jeff Buckley or Pearl Jam or System of a Dawn, tune in because they will be on the show.
Starting point is 01:50:47 That's my thing. I'm so excited to you back in the radio. I'm super jazzed by the man. It's going to be really good. It'll sound like I'm not jazzed about it the next three weeks because I'm not talking about it. But don't, it's not important about that. Please tune in the radio. You can text in.
Starting point is 01:51:05 you can like WhatsApp me during the show and I'll like read your Last week we were talking about musicians that are also vampires Okay And I said Billy Corgan looks like
Starting point is 01:51:21 Nosphiratu The vampire Yeah especially if you're in the Adore area Or the was it Machina The god of machines or whatever I would say Ador for sure Right
Starting point is 01:51:33 Very like that's... So we had a whole conversation about who is a vampire and also a musician. And somebody said, Jared Lito, and I'm like, you're being too literal there. Because he was morbious. He was moribious. Not cool. What about vampire weekend? They're not a real band or a real vampire.
Starting point is 01:51:55 They're only vampires on the weekends, not the weekdays. My argument against Jarlito was he's not a real musician. fuck 30 seconds to Mars so anyway I have my other podcast has been on break for a little bit because of illness and injury and other unpleasant things going on
Starting point is 01:52:18 there'll be an episode soon but but it's because Becky Lynch beat you up backstage before us media it did and then she took over the show and renamed it and it's something else I even know what it's called now but anyway we'll see you all next time
Starting point is 01:52:33 where you will be I think next week would be Japanese Spider-Man. So enjoy a watch-long of us with Japanese Spider-Man. Because then the week after is the drunk one. Oh, I can't wait to watch Japanese Spider-Man for the first time and then later on get drunk and watch it.
Starting point is 01:52:49 And then later on talk about Corey going to space. Yep. I guess me. And then we have a conversation about venom in between that. We do, yeah. Or do we? So anyway. You'll never know.
Starting point is 01:53:03 You've got to find out. Until next time though Goodbye Goodbye Bye Bye

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