The Snark Tank - #144: LEON LUSH
Episode Date: February 20, 2023Our boy Leon Lush joins us for a dumb/stimulating conversation.Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy...
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Come here, so
what's the story with John
and his zero alcohol beer?
Maybe he's pregnant.
John's pregnant.
He kept that quiet anyway.
He's probably training for an iron man or something.
If he was, sure we'd know all about it.
Here he comes, lads.
John, early start tomorrow, have we?
No.
You never need a reason to enjoy a great tasting beer.
Heineken Zero.
Zero explanation.
dude. Hey, everybody, welcome, welcome to episode, I don't know, how many, whatever, it doesn't matter.
You see it on the screen.
145, I think.
Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't really, it doesn't really matter.
We've got a, we got a guest here with us today.
Obviously, our boy, Leon Lush is with us today.
The Lushman himself.
It's a real trick to be here.
The real is niggins.
gone the block.
You got to do me like that right up the gates?
Yeah, I know this type of podcast.
Just say it, Leon.
Why don't you say it a few times?
Just start right out of the gates.
On the top of the show.
In fairness, this is almost, you know,
even when there's no guests here,
it's technically, you know, one of the more
diverse podcasts that exists.
You know, most podcasts are just like two white guys,
you know, just talking about, I don't know,
film or some bullshit.
So this is us.
Before we started recording,
we were actually all,
all of us as a group,
bullying Kingston's future wife,
who is just a jackass.
According to him,
stop, stop, just stop.
First thing we're going to do is we're going to just bully her when the podcast starts.
He said,
he said, if you do,
it's going to be on site,
but sorry,
but, sorry,
he said,
he said verbatim.
He said verbatim,
He said verbatim before we started
She keeps bothering me about useless bullshit about the house
And I don't give a flying fuck about
And I just don't care this bitch
I can't I don't care
That's what he said
This is verbatim what he said
He said one more text
One more text
I'm gonna end it on this podcast right now he said
But he's like wait we're not rolling it are we
That's exactly what you guys stopped
Like in his defense
He's in the middle of trying to
You're looking to furnish
a new place and I know the pain of going through that with a significant other
when they're sending you texts about like different patterns of curtains or like the color
of this versus the color of that and like you have to kind of pretend to give a shit but ultimately
you're like please Lord just decide for me tell me how much it's going to cost us call today
that's all that's all I really want she watches this too I know she's going to see it and
you'll have to hear about this later but honey I don't care about the color of pots I don't
care about the color of curtains.
I don't give a fuck what our couch looks like.
As long as it's not too expensive, honey, I'm all in.
Just do what you want.
Just don't touch my comics.
That's it.
Just don't touch my comics.
That's it.
I think we all have, as men, as brolic, manly men, all four of us.
Facts.
Right, right.
I feel like we just have.
I feel like we just have.
Chris Ragan more recently with all this working out.
Yeah, more recently.
Looking juicy.
Yeah.
I had somebody, so I posted a picture of like, just like kind of like, hey, what's up?
Just like a general physique.
And somebody said, you are now in twunk territory.
And had to look up what that was.
So.
From twink to hunk?
Is it in between?
Yeah, it's like in between.
It's like a twink hunk or something.
So, like, I'll, man, I'll take it, man.
You know, that's, that's great.
I appreciate it.
But I think twunk is a level up from twink at least.
Oh, yeah, 100%.
I'd rather be a twunk than a twink, a million.
million percent that's definitely a revolution right there you're like one liver king cycle away from
being a hunk so you're right baby steps keep going bro just keep going i would love to see a liver
liver king eric chris ray gun that'd be oh my god dude just get hit him with like 15k worth of hg hg
a month and just like a base of like two grams of test a week see what happens that would be so
fucking funny what kind of i love it you'd look like you look like you look like fosimoto
with like the quasi you look like quasi you look like quasi modo but is not as deformed
You'd have like, you'd just be really broad.
It would be unbelievable.
I would be a very like 16 by 9 looking person, I think.
It would be a very off-putting aspect ratio for a person to have.
But, you know, all that bullshit aside, it's, it's cool to have Leon here because it's been a fucking long time since we've.
Has been, man.
Yeah.
We've got, we've had some roots, though, all of us together.
Like old school vidcons.
2017 I think and you know we've linked up at
at other conventions since pre pre pandemic I guess
yeah but then just kind of been buddies off and on throughout the years
and just in similar in a similar industry kind of doing similar things and dealing
with similar bullshit so it's nice to get on and chop it up once in a while it's
been too long it's dope it's it's so fun it's fun going online
every now and again and just seeing like a viral
a viral clip from somebody's like
oh yeah
because the most recent thing was
I can't remember exactly what it was
because you've had a couple since since then
but like there was one with you and your wife
it was definitely a toilet seat one with the toilet seat one is genius man
that's just a valid conversation that no one wants to ask
and you're the one that had it you know
I love the scope of how far that went to the point
where people
they have no idea about you
right so that that was I love those reactions
that's my favorite part in why
do it because they don't you know once it reaches outside of your typical ecosystem of people
that are familiar with my level of sarcasm and satire um just taken seriously so i have i'm getting
like messages from like these red pill instagram accounts that are reposting it like yeah
fuck women like take that it's equal rights and then the other side of it on twitter i'm just
getting retweeted by like a billion like blue hair feminists like this fucking guy i fucking hate man
this is why no woman can trust man and it's like I'm just sitting here like lapping it up like a
fucking golden retriever dude loving every second of it like when I made it I didn't it was just one of
those it was literally off the cuff it was like I was like oh this this could be funny I was in that
mode where I was probably like just got done watching like a couple of you know fanfic
Andrew Tate fucking shorts on YouTube where it's like it's like like you know like every 12
every 12 year old kid from like the middle east fucking they have like a tic talk account where they make
little uh fan edits of andrew tate and he's like yeah fucking walking out of his staying and he's like
i'm rich and then it cuts to this six song and it's like dun dun da dun da da da da da da da da and then it's over it has like
600 billion views you're like wow that is inspiring shit so i'm like right i'm just going to try
to take like that you know do that that that fucking that same style of manisphere shit but make it
about the most innocuous thing you can possibly think of which is like putting
toilet seat up or down.
I didn't fucking hit.
I love that.
That shit was so funny.
Who was it?
Was it Chrissy Teigen or something?
No, yeah.
That's fucking awesome.
Because that's how I saw it.
Yeah.
Yeah, Chrissy Teigen retweet it.
It was like she said something and she made it about herself as always.
She's like, you know, I, she said something to the effect of I ripped my pussy wide open to have your children.
The least you can do is like put the toilet seat down.
Something paraphrasing.
Yeah.
I was like, all right.
I mean, I guess, sure, fair point.
But the fun part of it was like the amount of arguments that came out of it,
when the entire point of it was like, this is so stupid,
how could you possibly argue about this?
Like, of course, I put the soil that seat down when I remember,
and I forget probably 43% of the time, like a typical dude.
And that's just like how life is.
But like, the idea that I'm not going to do it just because I'm trying to like,
that's hilarious.
They're trying to blow the envelope against her.
Your wife is hilarious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's very, uh, it's, it's very emblematic of just the culture war shit where like
every single, every single little thing is turned into this like massive.
It's like,
it's like,
fucking thing.
I can't believe it.
I'm so tired of it.
10 people don't believe in and they have to fight about it in the, in the grand stage
at his Twitter where no one ever wins.
It's just constant arguments.
Yeah.
It's a tornado of just like disagreeing about this most innocuous shit.
I mean, and then just the most.
honest to God worst takes you've ever seen
like people like everyone
people that shitting on Mr.
Beast for helping blind people and it's like
madness. I really
I really couldn't believe that
when I saw that because it's like I don't I'm not like a
Mr. Beast fan or anything like I don't really know
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When you cure people's blindness, I don't know, man.
Maybe like, maybe let that happen, you know?
I like to think of it like this.
Like there is, when you watch that video, right, there is a hint of like kind of like
dystopian weirdness where it's like, all right, right.
We have these unbelievably underprivileged people that are like in this super fast pace.
Like, I fucking cured one thousand people's blindness.
Dron shot.
Dron shot.
B roll fucking.
And they're all like, oh.
I'm fucking crying.
Oh my God, I can see right now.
Coming up, it's like eight minutes of like this insane fucking like,
just this crazy video where it's like, hey, these people like are in privilege
that can't afford the surgery.
It's so easy to care.
Here you go.
But I like think about the net outcome of that, right?
So as dystopian as weird as it is that we live in a fucked up society where there's people
don't have access to this easy thing to care.
Like to have life changing surgery because our, you know, whatever, the Medicaid sister,
the medical, the medical industry.
and all this shit for profit, whatever you want to argue.
The net outcome is a thousand people that help.
So fucking great.
And we all know that the dude's like this, he's been doing this forever.
Like his entire content model on his main channel is like, you know, I give away the farm because that creates the virality.
And it's kind of this cyclical, self-serving style of content that he's perfected.
And, you know, that was happening before he came along.
But he came along and was like, all right, now we're going to do $10,000.
And then he got bigger.
He's like, all right, now we're going to do $100,000.
And now he's like, give him.
giving away a million dollars an episode and it's like well you can't compete but net outcome
people are getting a bunch of shit for free and getting help so whatever i'm not gonna i'm not
there's a lot of things you can shit on why why would you choose that yeah yeah it's just because people
are mad it's because it's the nature like people are just mad at the nature of someone's trying to
seem like people are seeing holier than now instead of just seeing like help it's the symbol of
mr beast though it's just because if it was like just nobody goes out of their way to shit on particularly
like an entire entity, like an organization, to be like, oh, these people are, so since it's just
centered around Jimmy, right, that it somehow becomes an issue that it's focused on one person.
Yeah, and not like a team.
Like if Mr. Beast was, because obviously it is a team of people, obviously, clearly he needs
people to do everything.
But it's just, it's like, you know, Ozzy Osbourne having an entire band, but it's called
Ozzy Osbourne.
So he gets all the shine.
So he's going to get all the good and the bad.
If it was like the Red Cross.
who went and cured like a thousand people's blindness.
You wouldn't see as much.
But I also just feel like it's not even necessarily,
like I understand the dystopian aspect of it,
and I understand feeling weird about it.
I understand watching that video
and honestly coming away from it kind of infuriated.
But not at Mr. Beech, not at Mr. Beast.
No, right.
He's not the problem.
That's what confuses me.
That's the problem.
People are just like, oh, I see Mr. Beast.
This is weird.
Mr. Bees is doing something.
obviously he's popular hate comes with you know people everyone that's famous guys hate you know
they got to find they got to find some reason there's a lot of people that instead of celebrating
people's success they have to kind of try to take down a peg and some people rightfully so i
understand like there's like certain oligarchs or certain billionaires whatever that you know that
to get to that level they had to do some nefarious fuck shit of course but mr beast is just doing
something that i feel like bro it's a net positive people are being helped why are you shitting on him
Sure, there's people that were shitting on our medical system.
Of course, that's fine.
Or the production of the video, like you said, I watched it.
I saw people in the comments saying they were crying.
I felt weird about the video.
I didn't feel like, I felt like that's dope that these people are fucking they can see now.
But also, there was like this guy, this kid, can't fucking never drove in his life.
They roll up in a Tesla.
Here you go, kid.
I'm like, that motherfucker does not need a Tesla.
Yeah, a little extra.
It's a little weird, but at the same time, like, say,
net shit.
That's the YouTube.
That's the YouTube cringe about it.
So it's like, that's why I'm like, oh, it's net negative.
Like I still watch certain stuff like that and I cringe.
Like I've always had a bit of an issue with like contrived charity like for views, which is like we've seen that in all different forms from like early YouTube where it's like, you know, free, you know, given buying 100 cheeseburgers for homeless people like the old foosy tube shit.
And then you saw like a re-explosion of it on TikTok when there was accounts like it was a bunch of dudes that would like were running corner.
stores and they had like local homeless guys that they would just like pay a few bucks to be in
videos and pretend like they're giving them fucking free shit all the time and they'd get like
60 billion views on TikTok very like manipulative kind of you can tell it's contrived it's like
it's not it's scripted et cetera et cetera um i feel like mr bese has kind of avoided that
throughout his life like he's he's very charitable but he does it in a way that's at least
pretty forthcoming and he's never you know there's plenty of elements of his videos that are
manufactured to be a certain way.
Obviously, there's multiple takes of things like that.
But I feel like the typical, the actual, you know,
um,
charitable piece or the,
the part of him giving something away has always been pretty straightforward.
Like it's like,
if you say you're going to give $5,000 a thousand dollars away,
he does, you know, he holds a competition.
He spends a lot of fucking money on his channel.
So yeah, I don't know.
It's a,
it's a weird time to be alive when it comes to,
you know,
just a 22 year old fucking,
nerd kid that grew up in North Carolina is now like trying to cure the world's problems
on YouTube?
He's probably 23 or 24 now.
That's crazy.
That's nuts.
When I did the first challenge with him in 2018, he wasn't like 21 yet.
He was like 20 or something.
So maybe he's like 24 or 25.
Wow.
I really thought he was like our age.
I would have assumed he was older.
I know he was younger than us.
See, now I'm upset.
Now I'm upset.
Now I'm upset.
I mean, I really.
I like fake Mr. Beast.
That shit brought me.
That shit brings me happiness.
Oh, fake Mr. Beast is awesome.
Oh, my God.
That shit brings me joy and happiness.
I mean, dude, it's not even just a weird time to be alive for that.
Like, I just feel like everything is just bizarre right now.
We were talking about, we were talking a little bit before the show started.
It's like, initially we just kind of wanted to just be like, you know, a little chill, a little catch-up.
But also, it's just, what a week.
Like, like, there's UFO is being shot down, which apparently,
is just apparently you can just write that in like a news head like a proper news headline not the
national inquire and it makes it and it's perfectly fine to say that legit like you could you could
throw a dart with your eyes closed and hit a perfect story for a conspiracy anywhere you look
this week yeah insane UFOs fucking chemical derailment train trains derailing with toxic chemicals
extremely fucking dangerous earthquakes
but that Jesus Christ I keep trying to avoid that
shit, man. I saw one of the funniest things I've seen in a while. It was like this, it was like a whole
like graph, like a conspiracy graph about like how like at the time of the Grammys, at the time of like that
satanic, whatever the fuck. That's when the, is that when the earthquake happened? And it's like,
oh, what a coincidence. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Well, you see, you see right here in Revelations 12,
verse 36 for God sent down Sam Smith to sing unholy in a fucking chuffed devil costume and the world shook.
Dude, I bet some asshole would actually say that at church, and it would be 100% corroborate.
Like, yeah.
Yeah.
Yes, I agree.
That motherfucker told me, and so it's in the butt.
It's in there.
It's just so crazy to me that we, like, I don't know, man.
Like, how did we go from being, like, afraid of, like, I understand the families of, like, the 70s and 80s.
Like the, like the, like the, the, the, the stiff kind of parent parental figure who's like, Ozzy Osbourne's biting a head off a bat on.
stage, what the fuck?
Like, I get being kind of creeped
out and almost like scared by that on some
level. If you're that kind of like, if you grew up in
the 50s, like howdy-duty fucking Marionette
ass time. Yeah, like Elvis can't shake his hips on television
yet. Yeah. He'll die.
Also, you'll fucking pass.
Those were the days. Real
Christian conservatism. But dude,
imagine being afraid of Sam Smith.
Yeah. I mean, that's literally
that is, that is wild.
He is the boogey
man as of as of now the
because I mean
if you've been paying attention
it's in politics gets so fucking boring
but to spice it up you find something
this is perfect right now
the androgynous men
the fucking the trans issues
whatever it is and it's just perfect
store oh he's with the trans woman too
it's like the perfect storm
it's the devil shit
it's the perfect tech it is literally the perfect scapegoat
to keep these motherfuckers in line and scared
and it's so funny from someone that doesn't
give a shit on the outside looking
in, it's so fucking funny. Like that guy, you responded to some guy, Chris, on Twitter. I think you said
something like, I think you said like Satan isn't real or I don't remember what the fuck you said.
Oh, no, no, no. I can't remember what I said specifically. It was somebody was, I think I was just like,
are we really doing the satanic panic again? Right. Right. It's been happening every decade for
the last hundred years. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, it's like, once every decade, there's like something
that like sparks it up again. And it's just this time, it was just so lame. It's just, it's just, it's
some kind of out of shape guy
in a leotard and it's
just like this is so not
I don't know man this is not even close to
dude when it was sorry
go ahead tell when they did satanic panic
over Dunnors and Dragons in the 70s
that's when you realize that's when you
really have to realize that
anything could get this group upset
like they the
slightest breeze in the wind
and someone that's a little not
binary to what they believe in shows up
they're on fire
They got to sit on up.
My favorite thing about that day, when I was talking about the Satan stuff,
is because I pissed off a lot of right-wing conservatives,
but like a couple of hours earlier,
I pissed off a lot of people for playing the Hogwarts game.
Yes.
You know, because it's my job to play and cover that shit for the show.
All you have to do is live one day as a moderately decent, normal human being,
and you end up pissing off both sides of the spectrum pretty frequently.
It's pretty fucking wild.
Yeah.
But you were going to say something before I cut you off.
I was just going to say the whole devil freak out.
I remember that with the little Naz-X not just about a few years ago.
Right.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That music video and then this one with, I mean, the devil theme, I don't know,
not to harp on this, but like it is, like I can see.
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It's impossible for me to not look and laugh too because I'm pretty agnostic.
Like I don't, all of this stuff to me is just symbology and fun and like cool like Angels and
Demons, Dan Brown book type shit.
Like it's fun history behind it.
But if you're like hook line and sinker, like you're dead ass devastatingly scared that you might
go to hell if you fuck up.
Like I can see why you might panic over some shit like that.
Like, oh, Satan's taking over Hollywood.
It's like no, it's like a fat androgynous dude wearing a Satan costume, bro.
Relax.
It's like Halloween at the Grammys.
Like, what are we fucking, what are we worried about right now?
It was like a party city costume.
Literally, it was a terrible costume.
It was a turt that didn't fit well.
And it was just like, what am I looking at?
Like, I don't want to make fun of this because, you know, I'm not the most in shape guy.
But like, why are people scared?
Like, just, just, I mean, they just stop caring.
I just, I hate that, like, there's people, like, everybody knows Kenneth Copeland.
that you look at that
motherfucker look at him
he is like
yes I'm like
if I were a Christian person
I would be like holy shit there he is
if he was so evil
if he was just a little
redder
if he was just a little redder
if he was
I feel that way about
Joel Osteen
I don't know if you guys know who Joel Osteen
is a changeling
he's a gaiter he's a changeling
he's a changeling
He's not human. He's something else. He's not the devil, but he's definitely not a person. Like, if you cut him, he won't bleed red. It'll be like silver or some shit.
Yeah, yeah. He's like straight out of men and black, dude. He's got a little animal and controlling him inside of himself. He's like the king of like prosperity grift.
Yeah. It's really is crazy. I remember him specifically because, like, my parents used to watch him. Like, we used to watch him every Sunday. And then like, at a certain point, my mom was like, I don't care about this.
And then I was like, oh, thank God. I have my Sundays back.
finally I'll say hallelujah mom
yeah finally the one time
that's probably the first and last time
that I've ever said hallelujah and ironically
but like
yeah no he just he had that smile
that was like really off
putting and the second that I didn't
have to do that anymore I remember I saw him
live
that's awesome way
that's awesome yeah
that's up there was amazing
that's amazing
why
dude I put that up there was like seeing Zeppelin
and the Beatles dude it's like
Zeppelin, Beatles, and then Joel
Austin, right below that. You saw that shit at MSG,
bro, you're a legend.
Why? Why? I love that. That's mecca.
That is mecca for entertainment.
I am, dude,
I was a Christian to way later
in my life than most people.
And there is no way in
how anyone in my
family would have been able to drag me to a
freaking see Joel thing in MSG.
Well, I mean, I was like 11, so.
Yeah.
Even at 11, I would have probably
put up a fight.
Right. I would have straight up.
I would have straight up said because I remember going to church when I was a kid.
And I remember some of the shit that I was taught, like about rich people clearly not being invited into heaven.
And I'm just like, how is this nigga?
How is this gentleman right here?
Like, I would be, I would try to rationalize it.
And then it's basically the answer was kind of just shut up.
That was always the answer was.
The beauty of that statement is there.
Yeah.
So that is kind of like.
all like how every different kind of like competing theology under the Christianity umbrella in Catholicism
it kind of hashes it out is they all have their own interpretation of the scripture right what all goes back to this book but it's like here's this verse it says clearly like you know what I don't know verbatim but like the rich man won't get into heaven the poor man who serves got blah blah blah blah but then you can find you know verses if you want a cherry pick that are like that these prosperity preachers I'm sure
have all memorized. It's like, make it sound okay. So it's like, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah, I totally agree.
I grew up. What about the Old Testament where they used to kill all the gay people too?
Like, what about the stuff where they used to kill anyone? Like, we're just, it's weird, man. Christian,
the weird, the weird thing that fucking, a fucking weird thing that, uh, Andrew Tate said randomly I
saw in a video that, uh, and I don't agree with much that he says, but he was like,
Christian, he's a joke because like, they changed. They changed the, they were, they changed,
the ethos of their religion to try to stay mainstream and kind of fit the narrative a little bit.
But then there's the Puritans and the conservatives who don't.
Like, it's just a whole fucking mess.
That's why the whole thing is such a turnoff to me because nobody knows what's right,
what's wrong.
It's like everyone's making their own interpretation of this book.
What's sacred?
What is in?
It's as if it was written by a bunch of men along time.
That's fucked with radical Islam, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm on that radical.
Exactly.
I'm on that radical shit.
Well, that's why he, that's why he, that's why he, that's why he became.
a Muslim because it's like it's fucking
they haven't changed in 6,000 years.
They still kill gays and hate women.
So it's,
they stolen them, bro.
The most simple,
simple pleasures.
Oh,
do you know, Leon?
Did you know, Leon?
Are you familiar with the,
metal slug?
The game for Sega Genesis?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love that fucking game, yeah.
So,
a little fun, a little interesting factoid about
metal slug and S&K,
the parent company of that
sure.
that owns that IP.
They also own King of Fighters and like a number of other like
kind of nostalgicly.
Yeah, yeah.
They own a lot of old properties.
So many,
many years ago,
I think 98% of that company was purchased by the Saudi royal family.
Specifically,
this guy named Mohammed bin Salman,
who is literally personally responsible for executing a journalist.
Yeah.
Been Shogi.
Yeah.
And that why would,
wait,
when was it acquired by them?
It's,
it's so it's,
I think 98% of it is owned by them.
As far as I know, but it's basically...
Was this after, like, this was like later on they acquired the name in the franchise?
Oh, okay.
This is within the last, like, six years or something.
What is the purpose of that, you wonder?
I think they're just trying to diversify, you know,
they're trying to diversify their stream of, you know, income as like a government.
And then so they're...
It's the same reason why 10 is kind of like investing in a lot of, you know, American companies.
It's because, you know, they're...
you know the chinese government's just trying to find
other streams of revenue to kind of
keep money flowing and
American gaming's a decent one I suppose
dude American gaming is fucking crazy
I really can't believe
how much money is
in that it's the average salary
I think it's like 80 to 90
000 or something it's pretty fucking crazy
it's pretty nuts man I imagine it's going to
keep growing too I mean
yeah I don't know you know
gaming the you know internet culture
it's like it's only going to be more
indoctrinating for young kids. It's like even at my age, like, I grew up with video games. We all did.
Like early Nintendo started on, but it wasn't like as insanely hyper addictive fucking like ripping dopamine out
of your brain and shoving it into your throat like 24-7. So it's like I struggle with just, dude,
I'm like into Destiny 2 right now. I play League of Legends. Like I'm that shit fucks my world up because
I love it so much. I don't know how to like stop. So I'm trying to figure out like how to balance it.
Because when you're going up, like you play a game,
you're playing Mario 3, it's fun.
You beat it or you're playing Battle Toads,
and it's fun for 20 minutes,
but it's so fucking impossible.
Like every Nintendo game was,
you put it down,
you go outside, whatever.
Now these fucking games are built
to never have an end.
You can't beat them.
You're constantly grinding.
You're progressing through the ranks.
You need more fucking legendary gear.
You need more purple shit.
Like, they're all designed to keep you.
Oh, man.
Talk about Destiny.
Yeah, yeah.
Sweenie and I have been a another destiny train
for a very long time.
Have you really?
Yeah.
Yeah. I have, I'm missing three exotics in that game.
Period.
I'm missing three exotics in that game.
I've given up so much of my time to Destiny that if somehow my file went missing, like,
if I couldn't access my file anymore, people would have to check on me.
Yeah.
I feel like losing a family member.
It'd be like, hey, Kingston, where are you?
Yeah.
I feel like really needs to, you know, actually really pay attention to this part right here.
Don't, don't.
I bet Destiny's been getting a lot more attention than she has.
Not as of right now.
Definitely when witch queen came out.
Hell fucking yeah.
I would literally put on No Do Not Disturb.
Me like, honey, I didn't know you were calling me.
I'm sorry.
My apologies.
Bro, you got lightfall in two weeks.
Tough timing.
Trying to furnish that house.
She fin to decide how everything.
I'm going to walk in there, but like, I didn't even know this was a, I didn't even know this is it.
I didn't know who we were going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
A lot of those, it's crazy too, because.
They've kind of become, like, I love Destiny, you're a big fan.
I've played that game since, like, day one, like, in 2014.
I've always been, like, fascinated by it, but, like, it's, it's, it is this kind of second job, almost.
And it becomes very difficult to justify at a certain point.
Like, I still love it.
I still play it.
The only way that I could continue playing it sincerely was, I had to tell myself, it's like, okay, I'm not playing specifically to seek anything.
I'm not playing to, like, oh, pro, like, I, I'm not, like, I, I'm not, law.
logging in every single day to do my like daily's or whatever.
You're boundies and weekly set.
Yeah, no, I just had to be like, all right, you know what?
I feel like playing this game today.
And so I'll play it until I don't feel like I'm having fun anymore.
Yeah, I don't know what that relationship's like with video games.
That's crazy.
For me, it's the RPG.
Like, I turned it on, right?
And it's like, there's these stats and these builds and these armors, right?
And I'm like, I care about my drip.
You know, I got to really look sick before I go on tough fight.
But then, oh, what about this build?
This load out with this.
Oh, this works.
with this, which works with this, and it's just like, it's everything I want in a game, because
shooting games are easy enough to you to contact sit down and pick up real quick and play.
But now add an RPG to that where you can customize how you play the shooting game, and
it's just addictive as, it's bad. It's really, it's, it's, it's very well designed. And the thing
to me, it's like, I don't want to harp on Destiny, too. I actually want to segue into something
that I've, I'm kind of curious about your perspective on land, because you have, you have a kid, right?
I do, yeah. And how old is?
I mean, you don't have to divulge all that information.
No, he's about four and a half.
So when I was a kid, I remember people specifically, like some older people in my family, like other people got it.
It wasn't like, I didn't live in like fucking rural, fucking, I don't know, Mississippi where people thought, you know, video games were going to kill me.
But there was this kind of concern that, oh, video games are so addictive or whatever, right?
And I think they are more now, especially in the live service era.
But something that really.
freaks me out because I'm kind of getting to that a like I'm I'm hitting 30 this year getting
boomer status and so I'm starting to think about like oh man like what's what's family mean and like
and then I'm thinking about like the the landscape specifically of social media and TikTok and
those kinds of things that are that are as addicting and even more so like way way way more
addicting, in my opinion, than video games have ever been and still are.
Right.
And on a weird social token level as well, where it's like now, it's now how peers view each other.
It fucking freaks me out.
Like, I'm not going to lie.
Like, it's, it's fucking bizarre, like, how TikTok can just, like, get its, like, it, like,
TikTok will just rip its hands into you.
And then you've lost, like, four hours.
You've lost your child.
They show up on libs of TikTok on Twitter three weeks later.
Yeah, yeah.
Dude, it's fucking, I don't know, man.
It's crazy.
I feel like I'm too old for this.
Every time I open up TikTok,
it's hard for me not to close it immediately.
Like, I have to force myself to be on it.
That's insane.
For me, it's weird.
I feel like, so, like, I'm, I'm going to be 35.
I feel like this, that, this entertainment portion of,
I like funny memes.
When I see people dancing or trying to go,
out of their way to be funny or lip sync shit like immediately my brain is like i i i don't want
to see a second more of this so it's hard for me to even try to find the stuff that i do like
if you know what i what i mean so like i will say no effect on me i will say the first i remember
trying tictac like when i started ticot it was like oh okay well this is it because it's still
trying to feel you out you know it has nothing to it has nothing to go on but like if you
if you spend enough time on there just trying to find stuff it'll just
supply you.
It'll start for sure.
It won't,
and it won't stop is the thing.
It's,
it's,
it's,
for me for some reason,
I don't know why
this is what's happening to me,
but like my TikTok is all ADHD shit.
It's all,
it's all like,
it only takes one man.
It only takes one or two likes,
man,
for to be like,
oh,
this is him.
Or if you watch the entire thing,
right,
like, oh,
give it to them.
If you say to the end
of like a two and a half minute
TikTok now,
it's over like your whole
FYV is just,
yeah,
yeah,
it's gone,
all that thing.
It's all fucking, it's all horrifying Reddit stories over Subway Surfer fucking gameplay, or it's, or it's like, hey, here's the, here's the, here's the Down syndrome girl from family guy over people cutting kinetic sand into random shapes.
And it's like, what is.
But the thing is like, I stay on the clip, not because I like the kinetic sand or all this, like, extra ADHD shit.
It's just like, oh, I like this clip and I don't know where I'm going to find it again.
So I might as well watch it now.
And so like TikTok just thinks I'm sick.
And then the next one, and then it's over and the next one starts before you even have time to process it.
Yeah.
It's amazing.
It's really, it's amazing why nobody can focus on anything any longer.
You wonder why, right?
And then you look at our behaviors and it becomes very obvious.
I think it's a few different ways for me.
Like even with having kids too, like there's two, two things can kind of be true at the same time for my, for me.
The first thing that is true is that it,
Social media, you can either leverage it or it can leverage you.
Okay.
Yeah.
And the problem is it's very difficult to leverage it without letting it also leverage you at the same time,
meaning that like it's hard to, you know, use it in a way that is productive in your life
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Traps in the tropes of like just constantly scrolling, frying your dopamine, not being able to feel joy or happy.
this cycles of depression, all these things.
These are very common things for people that abuse social media.
But the other side that is also, so in that, I would say, like, you really have to be vigilant
about how you regulate your time using it.
And as a parent with kids, like, how do you even explain that?
Because I grew up in a time where I didn't have it.
I've seen how it's affected me as an adult in the ways it's, you know, benefited my life
and all the ways it has taken away from my life.
but kids that are going up with it don't have that perspective.
So how do you,
how do you instill that perspective in somebody that,
you know,
in a way that's not like accusatory,
et cetera,
where it's like,
okay,
because the flip side of that is like you can't,
I don't think,
like we're past the point of being able to completely
starve your children of modern day technology,
including social media,
unless you are,
you know,
Amish or very hyper-conservative,
and your child lives entirely in a bubble,
which I think is unhealthy for a whole different.
That genie is way, way out of the bottle at this point.
Way out of the bottle.
So that's like, so both of these things are true where it's like it can be,
it's incredibly scary and can be very unhealthy.
And I think that the way we scroll our feeds with social media,
video games, pornography, all these things are just kind of like firing off dopamine.
They're easy, easy, easy ways to feel good.
And when you're doing that constantly, without any breaks,
it completely zaps any sort of motivation or drive you have to do things that are beneficial for you
that take even a modicum of effort.
And I know all of us here feel that.
I know everyone watching probably feels that.
So there's like this level that you need to be very hyper aware of it.
But at the same time, I don't think you can stop your kids from using it.
But for me personally, I'm going to try and be very present.
Like I don't like, I don't know.
But it does worry me, man, because I see.
You know, I don't know.
I see some kids that really go down these rabbit holes and I'm not trying to stop.
I'm not going to try and stop my son from exploring, like, what he loves and who he is.
But I want to make sure I'm there to provide him opportunities to learn how to appreciate life outside of the virtual world we've kind of created.
That's a hundred percent.
That's the best way to think about it because it's, it's, you know, it's a different world.
We don't have the, we don't have the ability to understand the way.
Like, you got to, you got to sign.
for everything to do everything now, you know, like even going to school, you put an
assignments online, you know, like once upon the time when we were going up, you're like
the whole cyberbullying era, right?
We were like, just turn off the computer, you know?
I had that perspective for a while.
Now that's not, it's not that simple anymore.
Well, that, that person, I would, I would say that perspective was valid for a hot minute.
Oh, no, it was.
It was for a bit.
It's absolutely not anymore.
No, no, like 100%.
You can't just turn off your computer because you got to be back on it or, you know,
comment.
You got to get on back to on the work.
product for people, you know.
I don't want to function in college.
Modern-day society, you need to be connected unless you are just, like,
somehow independently wealthy and want to live on a farm that's self-sustaining,
that's fine.
But outside of that, you got to be there.
You kind of have to be involved in some level.
To be informed, too, to be like, you know, because there's everything,
everything is a degree of misinformation, right?
But it's up to you to be able to inform yourself.
And to be informed in general now, you have to be played internet on,
to a certain degree to be able to get like every form of soil.
get your own perspective of things, but it's also infuriating as well, because you have to be there to get that.
Yeah.
You know?
The frustrating thing from a content creation standpoint is that like when you're, you know, I mean, Leon, I know you do this, this too, where like, we are in this kind of sphere where we make content about other, about content or like, or things that are happening.
Yes.
So in order to, it's, it's that leveraging kind of conversation again where it's like, okay, I have to be on this in order to.
mine what I need to make my living.
Yes.
But also it's so,
I don't know, man.
Like I have a big Twitter problem,
I think.
Because if I scroll through Twitter,
I see something immediately,
I think like,
oh,
I have a perfect response to this.
And I just do it,
and it's quick and it's easy,
and it's like an immediate hit.
It's like a bunch of likes immediately,
a bunch of replies.
Even people arguing,
it's like fucking awesome.
Yes,
I'm stoking like fire.
Gobbling.
Gobbling of a person.
It's fun.
And like,
Like, the thing to me is like a couple of years ago, if I had something to say on about something, I would, I would, I would look it up.
Right.
I would, and I would put it in a video.
Yep.
It's almost like Twitter is like a shortcut to not making something.
And it's like, and I've noticed this.
I've noticed this over those, like, man, I haven't really made much because I have everything that I would have made is just written now on Twitter for free.
It doesn't help me at all.
You know, I guess it helps my social media presence, but I guess it's kind of somewhat important, but like not really.
Twitter is kind of useless actually for that.
Yeah, agree.
Yeah.
But like, I don't know, man.
It's fucking, I'm trying to.
Yeah.
I'm not tweet as much.
Dude, there is part of it that boils down for like it, you know, what's the, the quickest path from point A to point B.
And when you've been doing it and you're in it for so long, it's like the quickest path from like, hey, I feel like I could use a little hit of engagement right now.
It's a lot of work to sit down and research and record and do this video that I make my living.
Why don't, I'm just going to appease that kind of need.
I've built up in myself by just quote tweeting and dunking on this absolute
fucking blazing moron on Twitter right now.
Which there is no shortage of by any means.
It's easy, bro.
It's a fucking, it's like, it's like just throwing a dart into the sky.
It's like, I'll get something.
You're going to hit something.
I mean, that used to be my bread and butter where I was just all I was only doing.
I mean, I kind of stopped it now because I just really don't give a shit anymore,
but it was like Twitter trash.
All I do is just collect tweets and then just make fun of them.
It was the easiest thing to do.
And I got to a point where, and particularly because of wanting to be on social media less and then naturally get into the point where I actually really don't care anymore.
And one way I've always been able to do that, though, is not caring because I noticed that the default in most social medias is to the algorithmic feed that shows you stuff that you're most likely interested in things that blew up, viral shit.
So it puts all that stuff up to the top where reactionary stuff.
Yeah.
And usually I'm the person that I just want to see what's going on in the moment.
So I just want a chronological feed.
Sure.
And so I'm glad that, say, for example, Instagram has put that back on.
You have the option to see what's happening just in the time.
That's how I view Twitter.
I stopped viewing Facebook because they took that away for quite some time.
Because all I want to do is just go on real quick, see what's happening and then fuck off.
The thing is I notice what people are normally doing, they're spending so much time on.
it's making sure that they see everything,
things that they would have missed like three fucking days ago.
Right.
That's called the bottomless scroll, right?
So they did that on purpose and why they went away from,
why they went away from chronological feeds is because the only goal of these
companies is to keep you on their platform as long as possible.
And they found that people were scrolling down and as it got a little bit older,
they'd leave.
So now every single time you swipe down at the top,
if there's no new tweets,
they'll find a viral one to share with you.
So we're just,
So we're in this kind of like hyperloop of constantly refreshing, even when there's nothing new, but we're just going to get served something that they know will get a rise out of us.
Have you noticed on Instagram?
This is one reason why I started you.
I used to use Instagram.
It used to be my only platform that I really enjoyed using, but I started using it less because of what they tactically, I don't know if you guys notice this.
You'll open up Instagram and then it'll show a post that you're interested, you would probably most likely be interested in.
And then it will drop all the way down.
It'll drop all the way down.
Because they want you to scroll to find it.
They want you to scroll.
That's fuck,
I refuse.
I use it less because they do that to me.
Because a lot of times,
it's mostly,
I fall like a lot of mixed martial artists.
And so it's like something that I actually do want to read.
And then it's so it knows.
And then it's like,
and then I'm like,
fuck you.
I just go right out.
I'm like,
I'm not playing your fucking game,
dude.
I'm not playing your game.
So basically the whole thing is not letting the algorithm control you.
And it's kind of like teaching your kids that
if that is possible.
to be like, hey, just
if you realize what they're doing,
I feel like it's less,
it has less of an effect on you to work.
I don't like being treated like a fucking product
or treated like a fool, which I am.
I am, I am.
We all are here.
Everybody is.
I don't like it, so I try to contribute less to it.
And it's been helpful.
I actually feel pretty good not,
like a lot of times if I miss something
that went really viral, I'm like,
I missed it, whatever.
I never had that problem.
I'm a late internet person.
Like, I've been using it my whole,
like most of my life.
obviously everybody watching funny videos but i didn't really start developing internet personality
until like maybe like 2016 2017 so for a period of time particularly on instagram and twitter i had
like a pretty like i was on it more than i would like to have been on it and i definitely had like
that moment i was like i can't stand this place i really want to be on here and then i just completely
rebalanced the way my brain works and thinks about it and now i'm at like a pretty healthy spot
where like i don't really use twitter all that much i don't tweet very much either you know i like i say
some fuck shit and i kind of jump back
sounds way too healthy for me that is such an
I don't believe you first of all bullshit I don't I don't use it
that much like when I like I wake up no no no that's not what I'm saying I'm not
disputing that what I'm saying is you said like oh yeah back then I had like a healthy
feed or whatever it's like you used to send me people oh no no no no no I never say
anything on my feet being healthy my feet is the app the opposite of things that people
that nor people watch I I be watching I used to watch videos that for real have people
be like, yo, dude, don't send me stuff like that.
Like, I don't want to see that kind of shit, dude.
Because, Sweeney somehow found every live leak account on Instagram that hadn't been purged
or something.
And he would just send it to me.
It would ruin, like, I still, was it you?
I can't even remember because I was like, I was like waking up.
I was like slowly arising out of conscience.
This is when we were living together.
And like, I woke up.
And the first thing that my first experience of that day was you coming into my room.
And you were like, look at.
this and it's just some guy like face planting off a building under the ground like why would you
and he turned it to a dolphin not literally but pretty much it's just it just I don't know man I
when I was a kid I when I was a kid I stumbled on that stuff and I was like immediately like I don't
I don't like this I've always been anti yeah that shit was not my bag do my brother try to bring me
for me that was some of the first internet I really got it was like BME pain Olympics happy tree
friends fucking Ebon's world
And I was like, that was the first hint of it.
But it even started before that.
It was like America's funny some videos where people would get hurt and I would laugh a little too long.
And like my grandmother would be like, hmm, that's strange.
You're still laughing at that.
And then it just became like a slippery slope of like, now I kind of have to chill a little bit.
It's not quite a while.
That's when I killed my first cat.
Yeah.
I don't harm anything.
I'm like, but I could definitely laugh at someone being hurt way longer than most people.
Sweeney's going to fall asleep face down.
and suffocate himself accidentally
and then people are going to walk into his room
and find like a bunch of like skinned butterflies
or something.
Some like really fucking nonsensical
scary shit.
A bunch of like a bunch of like surgery on a butterfly.
Yeah.
A bunch of like swords wrapped in people's skin.
And it's like what did you do?
Human leather coats.
Right.
I had to get a bunch of people because I'm a big dude.
You know?
No, man.
Like I don't know.
It's weird like because I remember,
because the internet really wasn't a big part of my life really until I would say high school probably
like high school is when it like really because because we're we're obviously um you know
Sweeney and I are basically 30 29 um Derek's obviously 35 obviously Leon's like a little bit older
but like I don't know like we we because Facebook kicked off when we were in high school I know that
yeah and that was like a big shift and I remember thinking about that at the time thinking about how
like we had gone like in 2007 when I started high school and 2011 when we ended in 2007 I knew
maybe like a handful of kids that had a cell phone yeah like some people just didn't have them
and like even if the people some some people did have them and all they could do was call they didn't
like their parents didn't pay for the texting so like you went from 2007 where people had flip phones
if they had them at all and then by the end of high school everybody had like some kind like a droid
or like a like a like a pocket computer and I remember even at the time thinking like what this is an
insane time to be in high school.
Yeah, dude. And think about how, like, think about that's a decade, bro. Like we, from where
you just started, we're like, kid, we didn't even have texts and like you could, you know,
basically we were graduating from beepers and like few kids had phones to make calls on 10 years,
dude, which is like a fucking sneeze on like the timeline of humanity. And we already had like
Trump election, Twitter, like, ban. Like, like, like so much happened in that decade.
It's crazy.
And now it's been, you know, another four or five years.
And it feels like, I don't know, like it's weird.
Like it sometimes feels hard to be optimistic about it, right?
Because I think humans, for some reason, have a natural inclination.
I don't know what it is about humans just to think worst case scenario and to ruminate on worst case scenario at all times.
And that manifests itself in our online behavior.
So it's like a deep disdain for,
change because change implies, you know, either some lack of comfort in, in kind of acclimating
to that new change. And I think it's always been that way, but like, I think severely, like,
in the last, like, obviously, like, 20 years, things have changed at an unprecedented rate to the
point where, like, more people than ever are, like, feeling unsafe and scared.
The thing is, the way that they didn't before, I think.
It's that true, but there's also the fact that we get to see it.
Because I feel like for a long time, there's always been people that are like anti-change.
There's always been bigots, idiots, sexes, homophones.
It exists.
But they're like, now we can see it.
It's on the town square now.
No, I'm not saying necessarily that that's the, it's more about like our relationships with each other, our relationships with technology, our relationships with media.
And everything around it has fundamentally shifted very, very quickly in a way that it really didn't in a way that it really didn't before.
Like if you look, if you look at somebody.
from like let's even even just comparing like i don't know like the 1880s to like 1901 probably a lot
of change right but it's i i doubt it's even close not as radical it's not as it's not as it's not as
it's not as different as 2005 was to 2015 you know i think it's i think it's technology has made
change parabolic and i think that like we are not equipped to handle it very well the way i think
of it in the last like 20 years right is i think of like a 50 gallon pole and spring water drum
You know, one of those like office water cooler ones?
Yeah.
Filled with water and that kind of represents all of the terrible shit happening to humanity at all times, right?
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Take a little bit, like a little ounce at a time.
Our local newspaper, something bad happened.
Oh, no.
You know what I'm saying?
A little bo-boop that time.
Now we just cut the motherfucking top off and pour that shit over our head.
And that's how much dog shit, horrible stuff we're digesting daily.
Every day.
It's horrible.
It's bad.
We're not empathetically equipped to deal with that.
So you have to choose your battles, A.
In B, it's very easy to get desensitized to terrible things, which can, I don't know what that, you know, what that means necessarily.
But it's, for me, it's meant like, I don't empathize or sympathize or like spend time being sad and all these things for shit that doesn't affect me because I need to save that for the people in my life.
matter to me it's a it's a terrible
feeling because i because my me for
personally like there are times are like
i i've
defensively become more empathetic
because being
become more apathetic because being
empathetic legitimately kills you
trains yeah if you spend like if you're terminally
online you do become apathetic
there's no way not to like during covid there's
be times i would become depressed because i just
because everything that's happening the world was fucking dying
you know and that shit is fucking sad it wouldn't be about people
directing me erected respect to
the world. It's like, dang, this is rough.
And it's like... That was a fucking crazy time, too.
I really don't think
we've processed exactly, like, what that,
what that whole, like that, that pandemic era.
No, no. I don't think there, we've fully processed,
like, how that's going to affect things later on, because, like, I think even...
The children, man, the children from that pandemic era are different kids, man.
That is something that I've noticed. And, like, people are like, not really.
Dude, I have no, I have three family members born that period of time.
and they have absolutely zero social skills.
Like even as babies, like they're babies.
They're three and a half, Tom.
But no, but no, obviously, but it's,
but they can't come in.
They don't know anything about their forewark.
They can't diversify their funds.
Give them 10 years at least, man.
But no, even idea of that, like,
because they were, because you know, most kids,
like they go to the park with their parents,
you know, they do something interact with other children,
and just in passing, you know,
but because of how COVID,
restricted everyone to just being your most close circle possible,
they have a real difficult time.
They're actually anyone directly outside of their circle.
How do you know?
From my observation, at least.
And I noticed that because of my gods and my godson,
my godson,
he doesn't even talk to other people that's not directly like his mom,
his dad,
his like aunts and in me.
I just,
he might have,
he never know.
He might,
he might.
I mean,
like,
it could be a coincidence.
it's bad. It could be a quinky dink. Don't get me wrong. I was thinking less about, I was thinking less
about people born, like, I almost feel like the people born in that time have a, have a better
shot, to be honest with you. I think about, think about this, like, just real quick,
my French teacher was four years old when she was in an internment camp, and she has nothing
but fond memories because she was fucking four, and her parents did a good job of sheltering her
from the misery of everything that was happening. So she's just like, oh, yeah, my parents
were goaded and they completely protected me.
And I feel like if the parents did a good job,
they should pretty much be raised because they're only two,
one, two, and three,
they're already going to be sheltered anyway.
It's not so much idea of the world's bearing on them.
It's the idea of their interaction with others based on how close off they were from others.
They're not,
who are they going to be talking to anyway?
I think there's still something there.
I think there's some development that happens at that level where by just having the
presence of other strangers,
like builds your level of awareness and things like that.
But I think that probably,
I think that aware, you know, self,
older aware kids that are in a hyper socialized phase of life,
you know, middle school, high school, college even,
you know, losing those years of their life at a pivotal, you know,
some of these pivotal moments like graduation proms,
all these things that we all look back on is like like life,
kind of these,
like pinnacles in your life, you know?
And that was totally overshadowed by like, hey, sit in a dark room at home and just doom scroll
24 hours a day and don't fucking leave for years.
Like that's fucked up, dude.
So yeah, I imagine there is an entire wave of, you know, people.
And listen, it's not like you get to be 21 and all of a sudden we're all fine.
Like, we all got fucked up on our own way too.
Like, you know, you can be any age and go through kind of that decent.
socialization where like we have to cope with this idea of now now everything has to be digital
and virtual and work from home and zoom meetings and zoom calls it's like wow it's great we have all
this technology to allow these some of these things to continue but we have completely bastardized
I think the like the importance of really pressing the flesh in real life whether it's not just
occupationally but just with peers with friends like and this is something I've dealt with since
becoming a YouTuber prior to that full time prior to
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of it, I look back and I think, man, I really like, I took that part of it for granted because in my
head, I was just like, man, I need to get out of this rat race, which I was working towards.
And eventually I did. And I'm very grateful for how the internet and YouTube has benefited my life.
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I realized I had to be intentional now about being social and in person with people that I care about in love where that's family or close friends.
And I had never felt that before my life because it always just happened by default because of my job.
And I think now since COVID, that happened on a global level, right?
Where, like, for me, it was like, oh, big sad.
Like, you're a full-time YouTuber and you have to, like, make plans with friends.
But when that happened globally, I think some of the ramifications of that aren't, they're kind of like unspoken, I think.
but I mean, you look at the level of anxiety and depression and it's like all of these things.
And I'm not a fucking doctor.
I really don't know shit.
But it's like I think it's no secret why we're kind of at pretty rapidly increasing rates of some of these what you would call, I don't know, mental health issues, right?
That everyone deals with on their own level.
But I think there's certainly been exacerbated by this lack of socialization and this idea that we can remember.
replace
IRL socialization with a screen.
Yeah.
You can get things done,
but you're absolutely right.
You're absolutely right.
I agree with that.
Or just the idea.
Great assessment.
I,
no,
but no,
seriously,
yeah,
that I agree with that completely.
Just call me Hubbard Labs.
Yeah,
I don't know,
man.
It's,
I just think our brains aren't,
it's fucked because like,
I,
I recently technically,
and I think I,
I knew this for a while,
but like,
I recently got like an ADHD diagnosis.
And I was always curious about it.
Never really did anything about it because I think before this period of time, things were like manageable enough.
You know, it's like, all right, well.
But I do think a lot of these, I think what's fucked up about it is I'm starting to think about it a little bit more.
It's like it's not, it's not that these disorders aren't real.
And I think that I think that they are for sure because I feel it and I understand what's happening.
But I also think these disorders are present because we are kind of acclimatized to a way.
world that our natural brain doesn't like it's not equipped to handle.
Agreed.
And so like I don't know.
It's it's it's it's fucking weird.
I feel weird about it.
You think they can like,
I was just going to say the and you know,
again, I'm not I,
none of us are doctors.
Go ahead.
Not of us are doctors, but to kind of to extrapolate on your point,
like do you think there's a level in the last 10 to 20 years where there's like
a certain amount of people that are, you know,
environmentally and behaviorally becoming ADHD.
It's not like this,
it's not like this thing where you're either born with it or you're not.
I think it can be,
I think it can,
I think you can be.
I think you can be.
Yeah.
I think it can come.
The thing to me is like,
I don't even necessarily think it's,
man,
how do I explain it?
I feel like just the world as,
as it is.
currently is just a really hostile for people with that brain chemistry in a way that in a way
that in previous decades, like if somebody had the same brain chemistry as somebody with ADHD
in like the 2020s as they did in like the 1950s, right.
I feel like that person is more equipped to do to do well.
Yeah.
Because they're not being inundated with things that kind of exacerbate those issues.
Yeah, I agree.
And so I think it's.
And so I think it's less about like, oh, these disorders aren't real or maybe it's
exacerbated.
I think it's just the nature of what surrounds us that makes what was always there far,
far more harmful and far more debilitating than they otherwise would have been.
Because if you have a problem focusing, fucking holy shit.
Like now is like in this era, it's like the worst possible time.
Like, I could have dealt with it in, I was doing relatively fine with it in, in, like, 2015, 2016, even when we had Twitter and YouTube and stuff like that.
But, like, this whole fucking, like, the 24-hour news cycle and the fact that, like, there's a new, like, oh, this person did this and they're canceled.
And, like, this, look at this person's personal life out on display for everybody.
And, like, look at this fucking heinous natural disaster.
And look at this thing.
And it's all in the same fucking day.
And it's like, what do you fucking, I don't know.
Literally doom scrolling.
You just start falling down the hill.
And on top of that, I don't think the pandemic helped either.
Because like, even as somebody who was, you know, I wasn't, I wouldn't consider myself like anti-social really.
I just, you know, I like to keep to myself when I'm in a group of people, like I can, I can pal around and have fun.
But my life didn't change that much because of lockdown.
I was already spending a ton of time in my room making videos and just like living with my roommates and paling around.
And even I felt it, you know?
Same for me, honestly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, for what we do.
Yeah, we didn't need all too much, but we still felt it.
I think the pandemic forced a lot of people to sit with themselves in a way that a lot of people were not ready to do.
That was the one biggest thing right there, right there.
A lot of people are looking inward.
You had to be like, oh, this is me right now.
And how do I feel?
How do I feel being around myself when I'm not busy?
I tell motherfuckers all the time.
It's me.
It's me with me right now.
And for me, I realize that I'm not that bad.
But there are a lot of people that just realize they, they are.
There's a lot of shit they don't like about themselves.
Or they do.
Even the family,
dynamic too man you're talking about like dudes who spend you know you have that dynamic where it's like
oh you only see your wife for x amount of time for way like there was some real big wake-up calls
i imagine when all of a sudden you had to be around each other all the time they're like
you know working out of the same house like i will say kind on on chris's point like i had already
been you know went full time in 2018 so my lifestyle didn't change as much so i was already kind of
grappling with some of those things and then when it like the world got crushed i just saw it
happening all around and it was like okay now we're all kind of dealing with this thing
simultaneously but I do ultimately feel like I fared pretty well because I was already
prepared a little bit based on my occupation right where it's like you're just sitting in an office
I could literally just I my office is about my garage I fucking come over here I'd do some dumb shit
go back to my house eat dinner go to bed wake up my work out my basement come to my garage I could
never leave my fucking driveway for yeah it wouldn't matter yeah no 100% people people
when people had to deal with relationships where it was like they were stretched out.
So like I'm here and they're there.
Like for the first four months.
Oh long distance stuff.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I didn't see her one time.
That shit was debilitating.
Not seeing the person to be in love with, man.
I'm the king.
That doesn't bother me at all.
I'm the king of that shit.
That's because you're used to long distance.
Yeah.
My lady lived 10 minutes away from me and I couldn't see her.
And I was like, this sucks, dude.
It's fucked.
You had to kiss her through the phone, dude.
Yeah.
I would cry.
I miss you.
I would not.
The Soldier Boy song.
Just kiss me through the phone.
She started risking it.
Like, I'm just going to go.
I don't care if I get sick.
I need you.
Soldier Boy's,
uh,
Dick was all over Twitter a few months ago.
Do you see that?
Was it really?
Again,
was it impressive at least?
Again,
it was,
it was impressively long,
but way too curved.
It was like,
it was like,
it was like,
it was like a boomerang,
bro.
It was like,
one part of it.
It was like almost like curvy
like a boomerang,
but just like 30% of it.
It was fucking,
I was like,
what do you do?
It's almost like he was wrapping it around.
You know how like the Sands wrapped their tails around?
Yeah, yeah.
It's almost like he was doing that shit.
Like it was wrapped partially around his waist.
Because I'm like, what is happening?
He had like a fucking Ricky Berwick claw on his pants, dude.
Like, oh my God.
It always comes back to Ricky.
Cut that Burwick dick, boy, you know how to hit them G spots.
He'd be all in her in the wrong way, bro.
All of stewing her shit.
God damn.
God, you got to be, you got to be fucking out a 45 degree angle to fucker, dude.
He's got to be like all.
You just thrusts him sideways.
Just falling out.
You're looking like this.
Hey, man.
You like that?
Like that?
So, I don't, so I don't mean this to be offensive in any way, but like, uh.
You don't want to talk about social boys digging.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's not because his vibe.
I was saying, like, do you?
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Ricky Berwick is an interesting physiological creature.
And I just feel like, do you think AI?
Like if you asked one of these deep fake AI to make him,
do you think it would get it right?
Do you know what I mean?
You're asking.
You're asking questions that don't need to be asked right now.
Well, think about what's going to do.
You are asking questions that right now as we are don't need to be asked quite as out.
It's my job.
It's my job to ask hard to ask.
We need to go further.
We're journalists.
So you got to do it.
You got to do what you got to do.
Dude, by the way, that's another aspect of this whole thing.
The AI shit, we are not prepared for any of this.
Like, the amount of like.
I think we're at like the 2000.
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Yo, so we just
So some of our
Some of our listeners
They made a couple of things
Because Chris asked him to do it
In the last episode
And one thing that really surprised me is
So it was as if like Sweeney was supposed to be
Shot you know like
Or shot by a shotgun or whatever
And
He
Sweeney says like
What are you doing with that shot
And then he gets shot
And then he says
Oh
Fun fact
I had the deep fake say that.
Like the AI,
I didn't know that.
I thought there was actually some footage of him saying that.
And I just assumed.
Wait,
somebody got,
like,
somebody made it.
See,
deep fake your voice and saying,
what are you going to do with that shot?
Bam.
And I just thought somebody grabbed up maybe some footage from one of your old videos,
Chris or something.
Yeah.
And it turns out.
And I was just like,
fuck.
It's already got me.
Yeah,
it already got me.
I thought that was me.
Dude,
it's,
it's decent enough to where I was like,
oh my God.
It tricked me.
I thought it...
When it can fool you into thinking you're hearing people, you know...
Your whole fucking voice?
Like, that's insane because I thought, like, listen to most deep fakes that I'm like,
it's getting there.
It's pretty good, but that one fucking...
No, the Joe Biden ones are crazy, man.
I went like...
There's a feed of, like, 30 of them where Joe Biden is just using the N-word,
talking about killing people, selling drugs.
I'm just like, this is insane.
I listen to a little.
went on stream the other week by accident. I was like, oh, what's
this? And it was like, and we're a dead bomb. I was like,
oh, boy, let's, I'll do that in my own time.
Well, you know. I would never
laugh at something like that, of course.
I don't have the cameras on. I wouldn't laugh at that.
You have our absolute
blessing. If anybody says anything,
like, I know these two, I know these two black gentlemen.
I know two. I know two. I know two.
You guys are in the snark. Yeah,
I was on the podcast one time. So
that's a pass for me.
That word. That word.
Stop dropping the hardest of ours, bro.
It does not stop.
It is, uh, it's not a Star Tank episode if, I don't think there's a single episode that we, that word hasn't been used.
But I think, yeah.
But that's what makes us, that's what makes us immune to a lot of this shit.
But I think, dude, that, I don't know, man, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really funny.
Like, there's definitely, like, shit that I've seen is, like, where it was, like, uh, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, the Joker and, like, I don't know, other random celebrity number.
why playing like Minecraft together.
And it's fucking hilarious.
But it's also like...
Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan talking about bionicles together.
That video is amazing.
There's a video of Jordan Peterson.
There's a video of Jordan Peterson talking about how Sonic isn't really that great.
And I love, I love it.
It's so fucking funny.
But also like, it sounds, it's getting to that point where it does sound pretty fucking believable.
Like, the only thing that's unbelievable?
Wait, wait, go ahead.
No, I was going to say just the, the, the,
intonation like all that needs to be fixed about this is that they speak a little too quickly
and they don't have a lot of natural pauses but you could easily edit those in and that's what's
that's what's fucking me up but what were you going to say but it's the the the the timbre of the voice
is like indistinguishable right like you can't even tell so if they nail if they can just tweak
the intonation a little bit like that so they had recently um that jo rogan ticot ad did you see
that one that one yeah yeah it was like a ticot tag where joe rogan was like endorsing
this product and it was like cutting to somebody else
and it was like some fucking it like hill or something
you could yeah like you knew
if you watched it that okay Joe Rogan
wouldn't do that but for the
the lay TikTok user like
that was I'm curious
I have to imagine that got
banned the ad but I'm curious how much
money that ad made before
it got taken down because I mean
this is there's a whole other world
out there now for deception
and however you want to use it
in a ferocity I mean selling a dick pill is one thing
but it can be, when you're talking about misinformation campaigns
and try to convince a global level, like,
it's crazy specifically because, like, I saw that ad,
and I knew it was fake because I was watching it,
and the video is, like, really janky and dumb.
But the audio, just the audio?
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It's not all that unconvincing.
Like it's pretty solid
And it's crazy
Yeah
And with enough tweaking
With enough tweaking
If you put a lot of TLC into it
It could be a distinguishable
Because you can tell the person who spent
Like that person that did that Skyrim thing of us
The intro
That dude spent a decent amount of time
Where the intonation was
Extremely impressive
It was
Like this dude's telling a fucking story
The pauses are perfect
Getting low when it needs to
Getting high when I was like
What the fuck is
This is it literally sounds like
They got the voice actor to do it
I was like, what the fuck is this?
At the beginning of the last episode, we had one of the, like, the first guy from Skyrim,
the guy who goes like, you're finally awake.
Like somebody made that guy, somebody made that guy tell a story about us in like fucking
Skyrim world.
And it was just like, this is crazy that I'm hearing this.
We're fast approaching a period of time where audio proof and video proof is not just going to be infallible anymore.
Well, it's going to be like.
So we're going to have to have AI.
create for like to kind of sentiently create AI that can detect fake AI stuff yeah right right
because like the the idea of like this is the fact that like at what point does human intelligence
become redundant right at what point can nothing that a human can possibly learn compete at any
level with an AI that has been able to ingest a world you know the world's information and
has the processing power to access it in you know nanoseconds the engine the engineers argument for
that like that is possible the masses are going to be completely confused you know that's just going to
happen you know like right now even right now like we have automation that up 3 hundred people
in a room can't build a fucking car you know right but the idea is that this one fucking machine
you put together a car they're way fast than anyone can do it right oh yeah what happened is that the
knowledge of people there are always be people for the most part that will be able to do those
things AI does right but the fact that the mass majority of people can't do that so
engineers ideas that like there are all the people that would be able to do these things.
It's like yes, but what happens is that when the average computer can do all that shit better
than the average person in a really huge scale, that's when the problem really starts to set in.
What's crazy to me is that AI art happened before reliable self-driving cars.
Because I thought for sure it would be like the opposite because art to me is like, oh, it's creative.
You know what I mean?
It has to like, it has to think and like compose.
And it has no color theory.
Driving's creative too, technically, I guess.
Driving's pretty rigid, actually.
You know what I mean?
It's not.
That's why the shit gets fucked up to a degree it is.
One motherfucker's like, I can make this.
And everything's fucked up on the fucking highway, you know?
I knew when I was listening to people like Elon or whomever was saying shit like that,
I was like, there's no way.
I never had faith in it.
There was no way because of just how chaotic freeways are.
I was like, there's no fucking way.
Right.
And so.
Cali.
If you listen to it's been pushback every time it's been a question.
And so I'm like,
we're not there yet.
Maybe another 20 years or something will actually get some real.
I think there's an unspoken like in a wition that it takes to be a reliable driver
that is very hard to replicate with AI.
Like you can you can like AI is always going to have faster response times, right?
Faster.
But there's certain things about being a human where you have to take in a lot of different data points that are almost impossible to maybe program.
Like it'll get there.
For sure.
Eventually.
But there's a lot of nuance in the human mind.
Yes.
It prevents like a computer for me.
There is.
I mean,
I'm probably like coping right now.
Just hoping my entire life's not going to be replaced by a robot in five years.
So like just let us have driving at least for a few more because probably all the jobs are going to be fucking replaced in the next five.
Eventually it's going to happen.
That happened with the horses.
Niggas and the horses, man.
They,
they got replaced eventually.
And then got a designated area where you can ride your horse.
And that's going to be the exact same thing for cars.
You're going to have a designated area to drive.
and that's it.
What are the political, what are the political, not to get too, we're not going to get super political.
But like, I'm curious as to what the political implications are going to be when most.
It's the Chinese.
Oh, sorry.
That was quick.
That was reflex, bro.
That's my Tourette.
Oh, sure.
Sorry, go ahead.
You mean you cut me.
No, dude.
I was like, just curious.
Like, what do you do when, like, let's say you have like a, you know, a workforce, right?
And you have, like, this, this massive amount of, like, tons of people in the population that are, you know,
working age and willing to work and trying to find work.
And then most jobs get replaced with robots.
Like, what do you do with like a 50% unemployment rate?
You know what I mean?
Just not even necessarily because that many people are unemployed,
but because there's nothing left that.
Or there's a argument for UBI, man.
That's scary.
For UBI.
Yeah.
And it's a future, unfortunately.
It's a very prevalent future.
Yeah, that's what happened for sure.
That's why UBI has been,
they become more jobs.
They become more jobs.
Introduce.
But then there becomes less people that are qualified to doing said,
jobs and then it becomes there's going to be more jobs people building things like that so people
start fall that's why like i'm becoming an like i studied nursing you know like i don't it's because
of the fact that that's a job that's always reliable as of right now in 15 years there's probably
going to be robots that can out nurse anyone on the fucking planet they got robot nurses they've seen
videos of doctors doing remote surgeries like advanced remote surgeries like using robotics like
not in the same location but what the yeah like that that kind of that
bedside, that bedside manner, there is an aspect to it that I think it will be a while
before that can be replaced by Robbatch.
Like, they're going to be better a lot of things for sure.
But like to your point, Chris, you know, when we reach a point where you're in an industry
and it's like, okay, I can replace 200 people with one machine that cost me money one time.
And that's all I have to do is buy that machine.
It will do this job and then I don't have to pay a salary for 200 people.
Like, yeah, there's, and I don't know, at a societal level, unemployment rates getting that high, you know, like 20, 30, 40 percent.
Like, that's catastrophic.
I don't know.
Like, unless there is a seismic shift in the way.
Yeah, of, of course, of course.
But unless there's a seismic shift in the way.
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you know you know we view economics and how it's whatever and like derrick was saying ubi obviously is one thing
where you know you you kind of subsidize that by if you're concentrating the level of wealth generation
because of all the money these corporations would be making by saving and not employment you
etc etc that needs to be distributed to the people who are now out of jobs i don't know i'm very
dumb and i make youtube videos about stupid shit so it's like but it's fun to theorize about yeah
It's cool to think about these things
In a very dreadful way
A very dread-filled
Terrifying cool way
I'm gonna be honest man
I look forward
I look forward to the day that humans aren't fucking
Um
Their sole purpose
Yeah
When their sole purpose isn't to work for a amount of time
And die
Where it's the purpose is
Actually
enjoying life
And being creative
And being innovative and stuff
So when robots take over, hold on it's like,
when robots fucking take over eventually,
whenever the fuck that's actually going to be,
it's going to force,
we're going to see like, say,
in the progressive parts of Europe,
what they're going to do first.
And then kind of like, say,
the penises of Europe,
like the,
the nords.
Yeah.
Whatever the fuck they do.
Because I imagine they're going to be
the first to implement whatever the fuck's going to happen
and see how it actually works
because they've been kind of the catalyst
for a lot of shit that has,
they're like,
okay,
let's see how this works and we do this, let's see if it works,
we do that and this and that.
And then they seem to be thriving.
Something that sounds fucking crazy is like their prison system
where even like crazy murderers,
it's like you're at a retreat.
But like these motherfuckers are actually being rehabilitated,
which is very controversial because I'm like,
I don't know if I want that motherfucker to be treated like he's at a camp
because he just murdered a bunch of people.
However,
I've always had a huge argument against that.
Their system fucking works though.
I think it's weird.
I think it should be a summer camp.
I think they should have little scavenger hunts.
Let's listen, this is a bit heavy.
All right.
This is a bit heavy of a conversation.
Well,
then I don't care.
Then I don't care.
Let me ask.
But let me,
let me speak.
Let me speak.
The future of our students.
There I think the idea of that.
I'm going to say,
I'm saying,
I'm going to make you do more work.
Go ahead and put some in bombs in because it's not going out.
It's not going to.
But the idea of we,
I think people need to work.
I don't think that like,
we're not built for an error.
Like,
that's not people that are bored have so much their problems.
We need.
have something to aspire toward
and a lot of people don't always
have to be work dude
it doesn't have to be work no it doesn't have to be work
but work is the simplest way
for a lot of people to be able to
people need to work because they need
money they need money
this is look at the whole idea
hold on I just need a counter really fast
the whole idea of UBI
for example is not something
because people are still going to have to work now
they're not going to give enough money to stop working
however in a time where say work
isn't available anymore something
it needs to be done.
And here's the thing.
If you have enough money to survive,
you have also enough money now,
because everybody has a fucking dream
and goals and aspirations,
but usually it's like,
I have to fucking work to survive.
Now it gives people ideas.
And, like, say,
if I didn't have to bring in money,
I would all solely be focusing on music.
It would just,
I wouldn't give a,
I really wouldn't give a shit about,
like, my channel or I still have been on for an example.
I do think on some level,
it's not being bored,
that's the problem.
It's actually how many,
ways out of being bored that we have.
Because I remember the reason
that I even started YouTube
in the first place is because I was so fucking bored.
I was so fucking bored
just sitting in my room
and I would play a video game and that would be fine
for a while but it was like, oh my fucking God,
I need to do something.
And then I got, you know, I found this thing
and I just like, oh, this is cool.
So boredom isn't the problem.
I think boredom is actually really fucking necessary.
I think the fact that we can't sit
with boredom for too long
without like looking for like an easy way
I think that's one of the, I mean, that kind of goes back into the conversation we were having earlier about social media.
It's like an easy way to get out of boredom without actually having to do something for yourself and that's meaningful.
But I agree.
I agree.
Because the way we feel, for the ways most people figure out boredom is like the idea of like I'm going to go online.
You know, like when I'm, when I'm bored, usually I read something.
Like I read a book.
I read a comic.
I fucking I read about something, you know.
You skin a butterfly.
I skin a butterfly.
I hunt down the biggest bear in the general area and I feed it like laxif so it's going to shit it.
self-ludes dies, you know, like stuff like that.
You know, I go on, I get active.
I do something.
A lot of people, they just don't.
When I think about boredom, though, a lot of people, because there is an infinite amount of
things to do, really.
But people are always, they're trying to do something within a certain time period that
they have, especially like if you're a student or if you're working, you have a, just
a finite amount of time to entertain yourself.
And you kind of have to find that perfect box, like say, I actually been wanting to get
back into Reddit Redemption, too, but I don't have time to play.
play it right now. I just don't have time to play it.
Because it's just, if I really want to enjoy
it, I need hours, and I don't have time, I'm doing too many
other things. And so, if
I didn't have to spend so much time
working, for example,
I'm fucking playing RDR2,
I'm doing my music, I'm
spending extra time. I want to spend, like,
fucking three hours at the gym a day. I just don't have
time to do it. You know, there's so
many things that I want to do, but I have to just
find these little moments to do the things
I want to do versus all the fucking editing
and research and other stupid-ass
bullshit I got to do for my job.
Not to say, like, I'm not complaining because I'm still doing this job.
I don't have to do it.
However, it's very time-consuming, you know?
But I'm just saying, like, if I didn't have, if there was this buddy, you know, subsidized,
like we talked about, these companies being, government subsidizing this shit and giving
us a certain amount of money to survive, I feel like I would be infinitely happier.
Of course.
I just feel like that.
Well, you, you, I think, what do you get, you got to counter that, Leon?
Please.
Partly.
Like, I think that, yes, basic human needs should be met for people.
I don't know how that's achieved, especially as we head into the future.
Right.
But I think there's a bigger part of it than just, like, being bored and not having time to do what you want to do.
I think that there is a large swath of people that given a bunch of free money to take care of their human needs would be depressed, fucking loser slugs.
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just hating capitalism in their job on TikTok has become their personality because it's a fun thing
to do and it's trendy.
Outside of that, I think money, money or not, right?
Like, either you have money, say you're independently wealthy.
Like, how many fucking rich, gigar rich people have you seen, like, musicians, chefs that end up
offering themselves because they're so depressed and miserable and bored?
So, like, I think there's a level of, yes, you need your basic needs, Matt.
and if you can't do that,
if you can't have opportunities to work to do that, that's a problem.
If there is a point where a large swath of our skill sets as humans aren't required,
there needs to be a way to have our needs met to open up time to do things.
I think ultimately comes down to this idea, I don't know,
like the word purpose, I guess, is one of the things.
I don't really even know what mine is.
I'm 37.
I'm still trying to figure it out.
But I do know that the happiest I've ever been through different phases in my life is when I have a very specific thing I'm working towards and it's fucking hard to do, whether it's a physical achievement, whether it's, you know, something work related.
So, yeah, I feel what you're saying with like when you're doing something you hate because you need your basic needs met, that can be very infuriating.
That can be infuriating.
but I think there's still that still leaves time to do things that you like you still have time to play music
and I think there's this idea that if I didn't have to do the thing I hate to make the money to live
I would just be so happy because I'd spend all my times doing the thing I love I think a lot of people
would come to find out that's not the case that would find I don't know I just this is in my own
experience as well you might be right you might be right just because of how we've been conditioned to
behave yeah we've been conditioned to feel that we have to work
all the time. Well, what once? And then I'll let you go. Um, the one thing I think about is, because
is people feel like they need to do this. They need to work. And then see, for example, old people,
for example, they want to work to a certain time and then they retire. And then usually on average,
they're fulfilled. They're now, they have their pension or whatever the fuck they have. And now
they're kind of riding off to the sunset going to fucking Florida or whatever. Then you have the
other side of it. There's a lot of, you know, that seem miserable and broken shit. But the ones that
say have the fixed income where they can take care of themselves, they usually seem pretty well
off and pretty happy. And like life is, I fulfilled my purpose. But like I say, if we change what the
purpose of living is, for now it's more about being creative than just being working to survive,
essentially. I feel like over time, it could change. But it's really, it's totally a social
experiment, right? Like, it would have to see what the fuck would happen. Because you might be right. I think
I think it's outside of specifically, I think it's out, I think it's bigger than just the, you know, this occupational lane that we all have to kind of live in a certain way.
I think it just comes down to your belief system, your values, the family, the kind of the life you've built, the people around you.
Like, I think, I can think of a ton of examples and I don't, it's not really a counter for your argument, but it's like I know, you know, I worked, I've worked a lot of jobs over my life.
I've worked with plenty of immigrants, like undocumented landscaping, stuff like this, obviously restaurant.
industry, a lot of Guatemalans, a lot of Brazilian stuff like this.
And there's this weird thing where, like, some of the people that are working the longest
hours and the hardest just to support themselves or send money home to their family, like 80,
90 hours a week are the nicest and the happiest.
And then the higher up the skill you go to the people who seemingly have it all are the biggest
fucking cunts of all time.
I worked at a ritsy bar or at a ritsy town.
And these are, these motherfuckers, these women will come in, they have everything you ever wanted.
Husband's worth 70 million.
They are the most miserable people I've ever met.
Like, what is, what is that?
I have, I can't figure it out.
Struggle.
Yes.
So we need the struggle.
You're right.
There needs to be, and I totally agree with that.
And that's why I feel like, say for me, what would replace the struggle of having the need to, or feeling
compelled to work would be my personal, the things that I've kind of want, my personal goals is to be,
Herculane, B, and Adonis, something that I've never truly achieved because I'm just, fuck, I just get too lazy and that I get too consumed in my other shit.
It's something that, like, now I'm going to put most of my focus into.
And it's one of the things that there's other people that do it now.
So it's really, it's still bullshit on me.
Like, it's not a great excuse to be like, well, if I had more time.
But I'm just saying, for example, I would hope that people would have, in general, something to strive for, like to, you know, whatever.
it was. I hope I now
say my argument completely backfying
what if most people just turn into lazy
slugs and then they become depressed
and because yeah it is a struggle
those people that work the three jobs and stuff like that
they're almost humble
and I do think there's an aspect of this that's like
purpose driven in the sense
and it's an individual level as well
like it's not a generalization
for all people yeah like I like I personally
think that like it's just the way that I kind of view it's like
I think a lot of people are miserable
Not necessarily because they're struggling or not struggling,
but I think because the struggle that is present feels so fucking just...
Like, vapid and unnatural.
It's like, because like I've said this a million times,
and a lot of people think I believe this and that I don't,
but I really fucking sincerely do.
Like if something were to happen, right?
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And we all just got fucking just not blown away, but I mean just like as far as like technologically
speaking, like if we just, if we are back into us in a situation where it's like, okay,
it's like a survivalist society, it'd be really rough. But I feel like I would, I feel somehow
like I would be a lot happier and never checking a fucking year.
email again or like doing any of this vapid like just this like this this shit that like means something
because we've built it up to mean something versus like oh i've actually got a fucking okay i've got to
build a fucking life and i've got to actually like survive you know what i mean like there's something
about you i there's something about the vapidness of like like what survival means in the modern
day that is frustrating to me 100% that's why it is it is very annoying you know like the idea
of like doing taxes, you know, like paying car insurance, fucking, fucking making sure you have
your dental, all these, like, stupid things that just seem like they should be already, a human
based in modern society should have these things. They should not be things that we have to go out
and really have to deal with, or they should be taking care of based on how far we've come
as creatures. The fact that some of these things exist is like, that's so stupid. But the idea
of like being in constant strife. There's a lot of middlemen where there just doesn't need to be
that's fucking stupid. It's true. But the idea of constant.
and strife is because I've been I've had strifeful situations.
Well, do you think an idea of it being constant is insane.
No, but no, but it wouldn't be.
Like, do you think, like, I really can't imagine that cavemen were depressed, you know what I mean?
No, they weren't depressed, but they were, but they were probably alert all the time.
Maybe chemically, but not on a social level, probably not. Maybe not out to a large scale like how we are.
Maybe the caveman with like the gimpy leg who like got made fun of or whatever was kind of feeling.
Yeah.
Well, no.
When it's dark creatures trying to kill you.
Things that you can't fight off.
I just want to go back real quick to the whole, when I was talking about a struggle, like think about that's kind of my point.
If you talk about cavemen, they're too busy living.
They're too busy grinding because they have to.
They have to do this shit to survive.
And I felt on the same level like a.
You ever,
You ever, you ever like,
The ancestral tenets.
Do you remember that?
Exactly.
Uh, uh,
what,
well,
fuck,
what was that show?
Uh,
soup,
sweet 16 or whatever on MTV.
Oh yeah.
I don't know if you remember that fucking show.
And I always thought about why those girls would freak out so much is because they've
never,
it's so easy.
Like,
like, say,
people get mad when,
when they hear stuff like this,
but somebody who has had maybe PTSD from a war,
and then the 16-year-old girl who got the wrong color in her car
have the same level of depression.
It sounds fucked up,
but because of their experience,
she's never been inconvenienced in her life.
And that little thing that is so minor to us,
it was a big fucking deal to her.
It's all perspective, I guess.
Right, and so what I'm saying is...
It is really disrespectful,
but the outcome is still to a similar degree.
Maybe that's justified or validated.
Right, right, right.
So socially, that's obviously like bullshit
shit on the little kid but my whole point is that
because she has
so much more depression than
or so much more to worry about in her
mind because she's never been inconvenienced
be it then then send there's somebody else who
does work two to three jobs
who something horrible happens to them
and they don't have time to be worried about shit
that goes pretty wrong but I still got to be
on my grind I do want to and uh
I think that's pretty well go ahead no I
do want to get get ready to transition into questions
because there's like a handle for sure for sure
but yeah we're an hour 30 yeah
But before we get into that, I want to close out this, I'm going to start doing this and you guys can't stop me.
I want to ask a, I want to ask Leona a question.
It's a philosophical hypothetical.
Do you have a dog?
I do not.
Oh, man, it's going to be tough.
Let's say, let's say you've had a dog.
Let's say you've had a dog for a big five.
I grew up with a dog that I love dearly.
Oh, okay, good.
So imagine, imagine, imagine that dog, right?
Imagine that dog.
He's like, I don't know, five.
or six or something. You've still got a lot of time left with him.
And you're walking your dog and you walk by a psychic's office and a psychic walks out and he says
that's the soul, that is the reincarnated soul of Jack the Ripper in that dog and walks back
inside. And this irks you for a little bit. You take it to various different psychics across
the country, Ohio, Michigan, you know, Florida, Texas, all sorts of places. And each one of them,
the second they see the dog, they're like, that's absolutely Jack the Ripper. You don't,
you don't bring it up. They bring it up independently. Do you
continue loving that dog or do you get rid of it?
I love it.
You love it?
So you would nurse.
Thank you.
So you would continue to nurse Jack the Ripper.
Because because there was nothing leading up to that.
Like up to that, it was just a good dog.
So.
Well, what if you noticed after that that he started getting a little irritable around women?
All you backtracked.
You know, you look at some time back, you're like, oh, he did not like women that much.
He barks every time as a female in a row and just didn't really notice that before.
That's a so the idea of like reincarnated soul so the problem would be is that you don't know if he has the same intentions that jack the rippers did as a dog now or if there was some sort of reformation that maybe happened and he has those memories but now he's a dog and he has a new lease on life so i would maybe ask the psychic about that um then i would slit the psychic's throat and high five jack the ripper my dog
that is that is the best answer aren't we sick dude we're awesome
your dog just looks at you in approval just shakes it's fucking head
I've had look man I've asked that I've asked that question to a lot of people and many people
like like more than I think it's actually sincerely an even split on people like I would get rid of that dog
and really I would I feel like no I feel like that's such an insane like to get rid of that dog is an insane thing
because that is a dog now that's not jack the ripper anymore
more. That's a dog.
I think the people who get rid of it are just uncomfortable at the idea.
Are women? Is it women?
Are women? Stop.
It's just, yeah, it's, I think, I think they're put off by the idea, by the idea of Jack the Ripper, uh, kind of licking your face as you wake up on a, on a calm Sunday morning.
It's not Jack the Ripper. It's Jack the Ripper. It's a different creature.
Well, anyway, that's a good answer.
Let's get into some, uh, let's get into some of these questions.
Come by leaves. We have women to slaughter.
and it's like,
he just has a fucking, like,
top hat and the cloak and shit out of nowhere.
That's so adorable.
Yeah, I would definitely,
like,
I would dress my,
I would dress him up like Jack the Ripper,
absolutely.
Of course.
I would like,
don't you love this?
You're not going to believe that,
but this is the soul of Jack the Riper.
Start charging,
I'd start charging a hundred bucks to see him,
making new tricks.
I love,
the reason I love that hypothetical is,
like,
there's three outcomes and,
or there's two outcomes and three,
three implications.
is like, okay, the first one is that you would love and care for something who is essentially Jack the Ripper because you were biased towards it.
The second one is that you would hold a dog accountable for the soul it just happened to have.
And then the third one.
That was kind of my thought process.
And then the third one is you trust psychics very, very much.
I mean, if that many of them said something, if it was all cooperated.
I mean, they could be just universally gaslighting you.
They might just have a problem with you because of everyone.
Every fucking dog they see, they all stage Jack the Ripper.
That's probably the most prolific in my decision is I'm, I carry zero ounces of astrology in my body.
Yeah, there you go.
Good man.
Because you're a same person, good.
Yeah, exactly.
All right, let's get on to some of these questions.
Gray Ghost Road and he says, hello, cuntbags and Leon.
In one of Mr. Lush's old videos entitled, This YouTuber loves cigarettes more than anyone.
Awesome.
Nice.
I love that title.
Leon has a mouthful of cigarettes in the thumbnail.
My question is, how many cigarettes was it?
And how many cigarettes could you each fit in your mouth and smoke successfully at once?
So that particular video, you can actually, so it's the thumbnail of the video.
Yeah.
But it was a full pack of cigarettes, American Spirit.
So it was 20 cigarettes.
I just put a little bit of.
You wasted American spirits for that?
Bro, I got two packs.
I needed one to do some B-roll.
Yeah.
Okay.
Honestly, I'm looking at this thumbnail.
I thought it was, I thought you just photoshopped it very, very well.
No, that's a legit picture.
Yeah.
That's madness.
That's by far, far and away my best thumbnail I've ever done.
I'm terrible at thumbnails, but that was the one.
That video absolutely cranked and then, like, obviously got demonetized months later and just stopped getting residual views.
But, yeah, 20 cigarettes and I used a propane lighter to light it up.
And I used the same lighter propane today.
light my fire pit.
Yeah.
But how many, I think if I could, like, it wasn't that bad.
I mean, I was even holding it like this, like this.
I could probably do maybe 40 if I had to do two packs.
I could probably fit that my fat mouth.
I got a pretty big mouthful.
I could probably do it.
I could do a huge amount of cigarettes.
I, I, I've never smoked a cigarette in my life, so I don't, I don't have any idea as to like
You've never smoked a cigarette?
No, I've never been, I just grew up a cigar.
Cigrello, anything?
I've smoked cigars.
See, the thing is I grew up around cigarettes and just like the smell of it.
It was just like so like off putting.
So like I never had an explanation.
Right.
And funny.
And I didn't grow up around weed at all.
So like when I like when I got out here, this I didn't find, I didn't have like some weird association with like the smell.
So didn't bother me as much.
But like, yeah, I never had an inkling for.
Also everybody that I spoke to who happened to smoke cigarettes just also.
They just happened to have like a really fucked voice.
And I just, I just noticed.
It fucks your voice.
No, it does fuck your voice.
No, but they were too young.
The people that I knew were too young.
It was just something that I did.
It probably had nothing to do with cigarettes,
but it's just like another like negative association.
You're really missing out on one of the best life experiences.
Well, being addicted to cigarettes?
Kidding, of course, yeah.
Yeah, I was watching.
It's kind of go to flavor country, boy.
Yeah, I was watching this thing where like some guy was talking about how like he,
he was asking his wife to like quit cigarettes and she was like,
God, man, you don't know how hard it is.
And then he started smoking cigarettes to prove it was easy to quit.
And then he got addicted.
Got hooked.
That's so stupid.
Did he think it had nothing to do with the chemicals in the fucking thing?
Did he just think of like, oh, it's like, oh, you're just being.
It's like the people just go to the gym.
It's like, it's actually a little harder for me to lose weight.
And he's like, dude, just go to the gym.
I'll gain weight and I'll lose weight.
And it's like, all right, go I do it.
And they don't.
Well, honey, you were right about the cigarettes.
But to prove I'm still right, I'm going to try crack.
next.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's it.
And he's gone.
He's a meth head.
What are you?
I've been thinking about crack.
My teeth are gone.
I've been thinking about crack a lot of these last few days.
Who hasn't been?
Yeah.
Because I've seen this resurfaced footage of like McGruff the crime dog singing about
I got.
Singing about crack and cooking.
By the way,
he got arrested for selling drugs.
Isn't that amazing?
That's crazy.
Like the guy who does the voice.
Okay.
I was, well, was that way.
They animated that?
I was like, did they animate that?
That's like, what are you talking about?
Yeah.
character. Sweet irony, yeah.
That's a cartoon character, Chris. How did they arrest him? But never mind. I'll let you finish.
Yeah, all right. Let's move on. This guy's name is I had gay sex while listening to Gaydeoactive and I don't regret it. Hell yeah.
I hope that's true. I hope that's true. Very intense screen name. Yeah. Leon, we've been doing these,
uh, how do you, how do we even? We've been doing these like intentionally like homoerotic, homoerotic gay parodies of like,
of famous songs.
Yes, yeah, and, and, uh, gay-deoactive by a match.
So it all started.
Oh, like on the show or like, just, you're making actual, we just do it.
We just posted on the podcast channel.
Oh, fuck yeah.
With no context.
It's mad.
Yeah, we have like a, we have a, um, a Patreon exclusive, um, episodes that we do.
And then so for two of them, we, we did a call, we did a radioactive one.
Then we did, uh, the Randy Newman, you got a friend of me.
Nice.
And, uh, at the next one, I know we're going to do another.
one. There was two choices. I can't remember.
Two people said something there was disturbed.
We had down with the sickness.
We had down with the dickness.
Down with the dickness. And then there was another one that we came up with at a
party where we were all a little bit buzzed where it was a, it was disturbia.
But I don't want to spoil it because it's pretty, it's pretty good.
I think I think I want you to disturbia next.
I promise.
We should try it out.
I promise you.
It's good.
It's really good.
Bro, that shit ain't...
I promise you.
I promise you.
I promise you.
It's good, Derek.
It's good.
It doesn't matter.
I guess.
I'm just like singing like Rihanna doesn't sound like that's in my fucking range.
No, no, we're not going to try.
Are you seriously going to try?
Dude.
Okay, Leon, you got to hear the chorus for radioactive.
What do you mean, are we seriously going to try?
We were, we were...
We weren't pretty hard.
We were pretty hard on that one.
We knocked that shit out of the fucking part.
We did not see...
I love your music covered, man.
It's looking
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Yeah greetings
Yeah
Yeah greetings
Racially diverse band
Of bin Laden supporters
I don't know what you heard
That's not true
But that's only like partially true at most
I have found several of my favorite content creators
Through Chris's Paul voices
Including but not limited to Leon Lush
Naky Jakey Mead Canyon and the Actman
I think Chris already mentioned his dream Paul voice
But my question for the rest of you guys
is what dream collaborations do you have?
For the for the Bostonian, are you planning on doing any bad land chug-style?
I don't even know what this is.
Oh, for the Bostonian, I forgot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was so confused.
You know what's wild?
I've never seen the word Bostonian written out.
Really?
Yeah, I've only ever heard it.
It's like Estonia?
I don't understand it.
What are you saying?
Yeah, I caught it.
Yeah.
Are you planning on doing any more badlands chug-style collaborations?
Love you all in the game.
You know what?
I don't have anything in the pipeline.
That video was epic as shit, man.
Yeah, it was.
It's probably one of my best videos by far.
One of the main reasons is because I no longer have a local editor.
That was when I still had my guy Josh, who lives.
He was worked with me, and he now is the lead creative director for Mr. Beas.
Got Yoinked a couple years ago.
And since I've been just, I work with a guy that's in Romania.
So, I, man, I don't know.
I love the idea doing more IRL collabs and stuff like that,
but it is obviously a lot more effort.
And as my son's getting older,
I've become a little bit of like a home body family type guy, right?
So it would behoove me to do it because people like it.
You can cross-pollinate with audience and stuff like that.
But I don't have anything.
I think I should start with just trying to do like one a year.
I don't know what it would be.
But the Badlands one was legendary and it only took like a day.
We literally, I met him in Long Island in a fucking Target parking lot.
And we shot it in like two hours.
That's awesome.
Yeah, he's a legend.
But no, I don't know.
Dream collabist, man, I don't know.
Probably.
That's a tough one.
I don't really think about that stuff very often.
Yeah.
It's been a while since I've,
I think honestly,
once the pandemic,
I had, before the pandemic,
I had so many plans to shoot with so many people.
I was,
I was planning this documentary about E3
that I still have written out entirely.
Like, I had like all these interviews set
I was going to fly out to
London, fly out to fucking New York
and Vegas, all these different places.
And then everything fucking died.
And I was like, wow, this sucks.
And then I had to just sit in my room
and make these videos that, like,
I was like, I don't want to be doing this exactly.
You know, like, I was so hyped up for this next kind of level thing.
So I haven't thought about it in a long time,
but I think I'm looking at voice people specifically.
Like, I think, because that's how I collaborate with most people.
And the rationale behind that is because I've seen a lot of collaborations where, you know, it just sort of feels like, I know, the people are there for the creator.
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exactly or like maybe it just takes up too much of the video or something that could be kind of aggravating
I know I've seen many videos like this where like you know it's it's a collab and like I want to see this guy do do his own thing and then there's this other guy kind of like always there and it's just kind of like it throws the vibe off and so I love the paul shit specifically because it's like this quick thing that doesn't interfere it's still the video it's still a collaboration it's still this like person and if you recognize the person you're like oh cool it's like a neat little Easter
and if not, then you're curious, like, who was that?
It's always at the end of the video and all that stuff.
I feel like it's like a nice, subtle way to do it.
So I was, I've always wanted to work with, like, really, like, somebody like Richard Horvitz
who's, like, the voice of, like, invaders him and shit.
Or, like, Keith David, like, these, like, voice actors, like, really fucking amazing people
who I have no right to remotely know or be in the presence of.
So that was always, like a, I can't think of anything specific right now, aside from those.
two because those stick out of me.
Justin Royland too.
Yeah, absolutely.
Justin Ryan, he's got to be available now.
You know?
He's looking for YouTubers to
collab with that.
Definitely got some free time on his hands for sure.
Chris,
help me.
You don't need to collab.
You can do it perfect, dude.
For me, for me 100%
Keith David. I would love to have
any sort of means working with the great Keith
David. Any sort of means
where he's just a voice in something I do,
anything possibly it would be perfect yeah i just like how do you how do you i just wonder if it's
even possible like if that's something that could actually happen i know people who know him
yeah well but like that's a stretch still like got to rub the shoulders man i mean yeah it is a stretch
because he doesn't like he doesn't even uh like he doesn't do kembly doesn't do fucking cameo that's like
insane to me that like upsets me that he's he's one of the guys that should fucking be on there
if he did came he would just be working too often he wouldn't get he wouldn't get he wouldn't get
job rules. I mean, I'm sorry, I got like 8,000 cameos set up for me. You set it high,
and then you just do selectively. I would pay for one. I'll answer this, too, just because, like,
I know that the question's probably like a little bit more content creator-centric. I will say,
I, I, I know this might be a little controversial. I don't know. I have always wanted to work with
John Tron. Like, I, like, I feel, I feel like that would have been the fucking, and I know him.
Like, I could, I could easily, like, it's just something like, something about it just feels like that's
His video is rock, dude.
Yeah.
Yeah, his videos like every time you post a video, it's like a, it's like a, it's like a, I make, I make time to watch it.
Absolutely.
Yeah, there's a few people like that.
I did that controversial vibe is sailed a long time.
Yeah.
Fuck, man.
Yeah, yeah.
That would love to sit with Rich Evans and those guys and watch a movie sounds like such fucking, such a fucking time.
That would be insane.
That would be fucking great.
I just want to be on set when they do like a plinket thing or something.
I just want to like kind of just be
Like it was like
Like fucking Mike will do the Plinket voice
But then Rich will actually play
Mr. Plinket
You know like I would just love to just be there
When they're doing that dumb shit
I would just love to be around there
Yeah that would be like Redler to me
Would be awesome
The video where they they bought
All the VHSs for that old
Like really shitty alien movie
To make it more valuable
So they're
They just bought as many of like
Like, it's called Nooky or something.
Oh my God, that's so insane.
This movie about some alien that just says, I think, I think I could be, it's one of the
more recent videos that they have.
And they bought, they bought, like, hundreds of these VHSs.
And it's already like a really, really rare movie.
And then they just shredded all of them.
They threw them all into a wood chipper, except for one.
So that their copy is like, it's hilarious.
It's so fucking funny.
I wonder if that'll gain any traction just based on that lore of that story, but it seems a little
insane.
What is that a bad movie thing they do?
I can't search for the worst.
Best of the worst?
Yeah.
Best of the worst?
Yeah.
I love that because I've been a huge fan of doing that since I was really young.
And every once in a while, they'll hit on one of the movies that there was in MySpace, this clip from a movie called Undefeatable went so fucking viral.
It's just one of the worst fight scenes you'll ever see with this fucking guy with like Jerry Carole is just screaming way too.
too loud and it's beautiful
and they watched the movie and I was so fucking
happy that they finally got
across that one and there's still
some that I'm waiting for them to hit but eventually
I think it's going to happen but uh yeah anyways
I would love that one that I would be
my answer on that side and then
musically I've been more focused on that
I'm trying to I'm shooting for the stars
I've been contacting people that
normally like there's no fucking chance
or trying to
like uh oh I know
this guy Jared Dines and he's
been working with Howard Jones who was in
Kill Switch and Gage and I'm like all right
I may I may lose contact
with Jared by asking but I'm just I don't give
a fuck I'm like hey man I'm trying to
fucking get a hold of Howard because he doesn't
have social media presence and then
like I know what Cory Taylor's son
Griffin and so
I was like I'm cool with him
but I felt weird and I was like I'm just I might
burn this bridge but I'm be like hey yo
you're fucking your dad's the goat
I need to get on and like this thing
like because he fucking he
reached out, Corey, he
stumbled upon some fucking UK rapper,
which I hate most UK rappers, but this guy's alright.
And he did a track with him
randomly. This guy was virtually unknown,
so it gave me a boost in confidence that
maybe I can somehow sink
my closet. I knew his wife
before they got married, Alicia,
and I'm like, this has to work.
So right now, like, just a little while ago, I sent a message
and I'm like, let's see what happens. I either
burn the bridge or maybe something happens.
Maybe something cool happens.
I just grab a bunch of old
Instagram photos of his wife and make a little fan
at it and send it to him. I probably like that.
Speaking of it and stuff like that
is, uh, I've had, I've, Hugh
Lori. Do you guys know who Hugh Laurie is?
Yeah. The name
Oh, okay. Yeah. Dr. Howard.
He follows me on Twitter and I've been so
scared. Like, I want to be like, you know, can
you do a voice for me? Like that'd be fucking
fucking ask him. But no, no, no, no, no.
Because I think, as house.
Yeah, as house. Yeah, as house.
But like, but the thing to me is like
I feel like he's so.
follow me by accident and I don't want to let
him know. He knows he's following you.
Right, right. You don't want to be like, who the
fuck is this? Why am I following him? Boom.
Yeah, yeah. It's kind of it where it's like,
I don't know, man. I like having to follow.
You got to shoot the shot, man. You got to shoot the shot.
You got to shoot the shot. You got to do it.
Yeah, maybe I'll do it. I mean, I would do
more because I lost my main Twitter
account when I, yeah, because
he was stupid making fun of Trump thing. He impersonated
Donald Trump and then he got
What was it? I think it was like a day or
after he got suspended.
I impersonated him.
No, it was that night, bro.
Was it the same day?
It was that night, Derek.
It was literally that.
It was like two years ago.
It was like two years ago.
That shit was fire, though.
I thought it was funny as fuck.
It just felt like it was a bad idea.
Still, yeah, so that was stupid because like it was like,
with 90,000 followers.
And there was a lot of prominent people that I gained that.
I was like, oh, I have a direct pipeline.
And that was the only one that I had.
Dude, I got, I got restricted by, you know,
a comedian, what's his name, Tom's a girl.
I used to talk to him on Instagram.
and I fucked up by saying, hey, this may sound weird, but I'm actually friends with Joe Rogan
and I'm trying to get in contact with them.
And a long story short, I got suspended.
He fucking just restricted my account.
Like, I found out by when I was trying to comment on one of his other posts.
And then on my fitness channel, I noticed that my other comment wasn't showing up.
So I was just like, oh, he fucking restricted me.
Holy shit.
So he restricted me because he thought that I was probably some insane guy trying to trick him into contacting Joe Rogan.
I'm like, no, no, you don't understand.
Joe Rogan's paid for my drinks at a comedy show.
I was going to go on his podcast, but, like, he just didn't believe me.
And I was fucking upset because I was just trying to get back to that pipeline of some people that I lost.
Because I wanted to.
I don't really care about talking to Joe anymore, but it was at the time, I was like, fuck.
He can, I can hawk a bunch of shit.
Like, imagine going on the podcast now, for example.
All I would do is just promote this fucking podcast.
And then, and eventually I would burn the bridge with.
him because there's some shit that I want to I want to talk some shit to him that guy that
guy these he's been fucking weird over the years I want I want to talk I want to talk some shit
but I feel like he knows that I've been talking shit about him so I think that should
have oh well I don't you know you're supposed to lose all your contacts that's the problem
when when you're when someone else owns your roll the decks yeah yeah it really does
yeah let's let's one last one last easy one and then we'll call it uh fun fact the word
originated from a song in 9 in 1650 from Bishop Percy have a nice day that's his
name by the way Bishop Percy Bishop Percy no no no his name is fun fact the word come
originated from a song 1650 from Bishop Percy have a nice day I I think that was the
question bro no no no no this so so I have to so I have to read the names at the end of every
show and I like kind of dyslexic so they have this every fucking name
is just this long fucking diatribe
just to try and get me to
fuck up. Amazing. And it's
awful. It's bullying. Great fans.
Great fans we have. Thanks guys. Appreciate it.
You pay for it so like fucking whatever.
Fine. Enjoy your crippled
person fucking entertainment.
But he's so he asks or says
since we're going to be invaded
by aliens soon, obviously referring to the
UFOs kind of a shock down
over various locations, which
by the way is pretty cool.
Real news, somehow.
I want to know what species of alien would you want to meet or not meet in real life?
It can be anything for media or theory.
Me, anything that's slug-like.
I don't want anything with like appendages.
Yeah, I don't want anything with appendages that I feel like could potentially like, restrict me in some way.
Like I don't want to feel like I'm at a combat disadvantage.
Yeah, I don't ever want to be chained up again.
I feel you.
I feel you.
That's definitely something for me.
I don't ever want to be.
I don't ever want to be incapable of going where I want to go.
I can feel you on that.
All right.
Well,
let's keep it calm.
You didn't get chained up.
I want...
I didn't.
Post-enlightment,
Jody Foster from contact.
Oh, my God.
I like it.
I like it.
He's a thinker, bro.
He's a...
I'm totally kidding.
Fuck, Jody Foster.
Not really, though.
Nothing against her.
Nothing against her.
I have no clue.
I want to meet the fucking alien
from Independence Day.
that Will Smith knocks out when he gets to Earth.
That's crazy that you said that because I wanted my answer,
like the alien, but inside of their shell.
The little one.
It's Will Smith, though.
It looks like Will Smith.
Like, that's like.
There's a race of aliens that look like Will Smith.
If I was going to meet an alien,
I'd like to meet that Orion's Belt alien from fucking Men and Black.
Men and Black.
Yeah, I was just about to say Edgar, right?
Or whatever his name is.
I want him to be
I want him to be that
like in that form
What's that was that
What's his name of
Italian ass name?
Thank you I always forget his fucking
Yeah
He'd be fun to me
For me
For me
He's a slug light guy right
Is that why you throw salt
And he fucking
He dies
Was that right in the movie?
I can't remember
It's been so long
He's a sugar and water
He's an old one
Sugar and water
Sugar water
What a good fucking
performance
Do he is
I only want to meet hot aliens.
I don't want any ugly.
I just want aliens with big mid-Mash-Ect shit.
I want like Gomorra.
I want like Gomerah.
I want like a triple-titty.
I want like fucking.
Leara.
I want like Matured-Sahony.
I want like this.
What about?
What about?
What about that?
You know your girls not watch until the end.
That's why you're going off right now.
No, she's going to watch the whole thing.
And I might have to talk about this later on.
But there are some things men have to stand for.
100%.
100%.
Alien tities, bro.
What about that's hot alien alien.
What about that
that woman with the single individual boob in the middle of her chest
from Kung Pow enter the fist?
That's not an alien.
Well, it's not a person.
It's not an alien, though.
I mean, it could just be a person with weird jeans.
There are aliens in that movie.
So like, I'm willing to bet that it's probably.
All I'm saying is this, right?
Hot aliens are fine, right?
Hot aliens I don't want to meet.
No.
alien that that's too small.
Like, I hate things that can skitter away quickly.
Like, things that are really small that move very fast.
That shit extremely bothers me.
Yeah, that's annoying.
Yeah.
You don't like those aliens and what was that Peter Jackson movie called?
It was in South Africa.
Oh, District 9?
It's not Peter Jackson.
No, they're fine.
They're fine.
Wasn't it Peter Jackson?
No.
Are you sure?
That's, what do you talk?
He might have produced it, but like, I think it's, uh, that movie's Neil Blum,
Neil Blumkamp.
Why the fuck do I think he's involved in the movie?
You're fucking losing your goddamn mind.
Probably.
Like aliens are fine.
Like aliens are, and especially
I have a problem against aliens
that can't speak English.
Like they don't have the vocal cords
to be able to speak human languages.
No, no, no, no, no, because language
You can take that right out of context
and that would sound great as a Twitter soundbite.
Oh, yeah, it would be, this is going to sound horrible.
Yeah, well, just deep think you saying illegal
before it.
My fucking foreign ass descendants, too.
I'm just out of your fucking
I have a problem with
illegal aliens that don't speak English
Yeah
Like, like,
like, wookies.
What the fuck?
I don't want to what.
The wukies are just of no help.
Have you?
They just scream.
Kings are you a Star Wars fan.
I don't know where you,
I'm not really a big on Star Wars,
but I saw a clip of,
a clip of,
uh,
a clip of,
uh,
like the original footage of,
of,
uh,
the guy who played,
uh,
Chubaka on set.
And I guess they had,
and it makes sense.
It makes,
it makes per,
I don't know why I've ever thought about this.
but they had the actor for Chubaca.
Hey, it's Jay Shetty from On Purpose.
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Read Chubacca's lines in English on set.
So that, so that, so that...
So people can know what to respond to.
Yeah, so that the other characters can understand the intonation and, like, respond to
but seeing Chubaka speak normal English and he's got like this, like, really disturbing
British accent is one of the funny...
T.S scene from the actual
from the actual film?
Yeah, it's like original footage.
So like,
it's amazing.
I got to look this up.
I can't remember where I saw it.
I saw it on TikTok,
I think,
but like it,
it is jarring to see like
Shibaka be like,
To Chaco be like,
Hey,
could you fucking get my lunch out of the,
wait,
I was just like,
whatever,
I don't know any famous Chewbacca lines,
but,
you know,
something along goes about it.
Yeah, it's,
yeah,
yeah, that's,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
yeah, anyway,
I think,
what are we at?
two, yeah, we're at two hours, perfect.
Two on the nose. We actually
went a little bit longer. Usually we start reading
the fucking, not the questions, the
fucking, the names.
Well, by now, but
yeah, was it good?
You have a lot of important things
to talk about like we did. It sometimes takes
a little. When you're a smarter breed than
most of you fucking idiot, slack-jaw
bumble-fucks out there,
you got more to say, right? You fucking
promosomless idiots.
Go climb a tree and fall out of it, you
fucking idiots.
You're all sucks.
These people give us money to do this.
Yeah, they better give me more.
He's speaking specifically to Patreon,
subscribers.
Give me more money.
You're funny.
Pay me more to stop degrading you.
If you don't want to be treated this way,
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I want to thank you for
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It's been,
this is a
This is a strangely cerebral episode
In comparison to a lot
Like we actually talk
Like for real
I wasn't expecting that at all
Yeah
My mind to be stimulated
I had a great time man
I appreciate you Leon
Glad you were able to make it
Yeah well I appreciate you having me on man
It was a pleasure to be here
Yeah well tell
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Yeah that's about it
Yeah I don't have anything cool to promote right now
but I just stream and make YouTube videos once every year,
it seems like, lately, but yeah.
Same.
Same. I mean, exactly, exactly that vote.
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And we will,
I'll read the names now.
Count me down, Sweeney.
Three, two, one.
She pipkin on my pippa.
Jordan Peterson's decrepit finger pointing out a color person in a crowd.
Domination.
Average Clint energy.
I watch the Christian dog, and now I feel physically bad.
Sweeney is a secret drag queen.
Star Coffee.
Please congratulate my friend, Devin, he's pregnant.
I don't mean metaphorically or rhetorically or poetically or theoretically or any other fancy way.
I'm gay straight up.
Staying hydrated to piss on Margaret Thatcher's grave is at a...
at a moment's notice.
I'd rather my kid be trans than a furry.
Scream Team.
Clit Yeastwood.
Transfam Garmelin.
Can Logan Paul abandon a million pigs?
My sexual awakening was the goth girl from NCIS,
and now my taste in women is ruined.
The Halo 2 Scarab, but it's Logan Paul's pig instead.
The Angelic Dungeon Master would like to propose a challenge.
The challenge being Welcome to the Gay Parade and MCR Gay Parity.
Reports from the field indicate that Chris Benoit has wrestled his wife and child to death
and then himself, more at 11.
Craig, the Canadian.
It's your boy, Shawnee Dee.
Isaac Clark, kicking the shit out of mutant baby since 2008.
Matt Walsh is a hero of our time,
Sweet Baby Gang for Life.
Indie Butterknife on YouTube.com.
Alternate reality porn.
Mr. Rogers is the tightest come-hungry slut on the bang bus.
What's with all these homies?
What's with these homies dissing my girl?
I masturbate so much my dick looks like it got into a motorbite accident
in 90 miles an hour.
3XO in the EP of gay music called Gay Bars by Bob the Drag Queen.
Use it to further inspire your gay songwriting.
Slapp and eat and stroke and gulpin.
Moticon's going like this.
Storm Boy's life and what do you like
And rounding out our list
As always Calculon with a dramatic ellipsis
Call her Little Caesars
The way her pussy hot and ready
Drip M.H. Lord of Drip
Nancy Pelosi killing a Palestinian
With her massive tits
Obie won't you blow me
Loving women is gay
The fuck you kissing on cock suckers for
Kremlin de Gremlin
The Messiah of Misogyny
Cuck Norris
All Stawall
Okay you said it right
Abbey
Welcome to Andrew Tate's
Kidnacked Women and Little Dickamporium
Fragile masculinity sold separately
Gay Rage Against the Machine
Be like coming in his gay son
So dumb
uh...
uh...
oh fuck
wage slave
583
uh...
what the fuck is that name
bro
I can't even fucking read that bro
whoever that is
the one with a tiny
tiny letters in the giant
question mark
god bless you
uh i feel gay fuck you
the papini brothers
emporium of Obama's
let's play clips
pause
culturally unaware snake
uh fun fact
god of war three
there's a quick time event
mini game
where crados has sex with
Aphrodite, who is technically his aunt.
Have a nice day. That's true.
Tell him Steve Dave.
Andre Brooks.
In Sweden, you have to reverse Park Enforced by law?
I don't know what that means.
A reboot of the Bible where Jesus is black and trans and disabled.
God is alive because Andrew Tate is going to be caked and come in prison soon.
John Strickland.
Puss in Boots The Last Wish would be a perfect movie if Jack Horner was also racist.
Merck's 1889.
L plus Heaven plus No.
damsels plus get dueled plus touch gold.
The first church of Keith David, and it's impossible to read braille with your penis.
Goops McKenzie.
Hey, Sween, what do you think of cis gay incest since they can't have babies?
I ran over my 2003 Silverado with my Voodoo Blue 2020 Toyota Tacoma.
Pree-Raz, Blake 896, Ashlet witnessed Hatsuneiqu rap the N-word live.
Fucking kill me.
Derek goes like, yeah, I just want to say that I mean like when you think about it, it kind of implies that I like dicks.
Clean yo dick, bucko, Peterson away, and yeah, flies away, hits building.
In all honesty, what is this?
Oh, fucking, I'm not reading that, you fucking psycho.
I'm not reading a name right now.
I, Chris, just want to let you guys know that Imagine Dragons is also my favorite band.
Mr. Brightside becomes a lot less cool, you realize he's a Mormon.
blocked by Steve Shives, Alaskan oilfield trash,
Lieutenant Lipton's famous Wyverns debunking the pussy had incident of 2017.
She sells seashells by the seashore, and he sells she shells on the seafloor.
Sue Hoke, Danny DeVito fucked Matt Walsh to death, parentheses it was consensual.
The gout law, Nikki Ziggy, the locust boomers were in charge of the giant worms
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Lobotomized Jesus, much like Jeffrey Epstein, loved to all the little children.
A tiny, insecure goblin creature that pilots Sween and his cell.
sexually abused by Milfs.
The Clitorium Emporium. I like to chew jolly ranchers.
Jackson DuPont.
Badly Brave.
Huggard Derek.
Now has a bachelor's degree.
Sweeney, there's a Kingdom Hearts trading card game.
Be cursed with his knowledge as I have.
Aetherian.
Chris Gate, my Padurian hunting ass.
Melfis won the Hexblade.
Warlock is retired.
Now Swashbuckler Rose is his best friend.
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