The Snark Tank - #27: Spoiling The Last of Us Part II

Episode Date: June 25, 2020

Today's episode is all about The Last of Us Part II. This will be a spoiler discussion so if you're interested in savoring the story of Naughty Dogs latest narrative adventure, might be best to skip this one until you have. If not, welcome. We've got some interesting opinions. We're in the middle of moving this week and due to time constraints the questions from this episode have all been pushed to next weeks episode. Apologies, but the schedule should be back to normal soon. Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brandsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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Welcome back to the Snark Tank podcast. It's me, Chris Reagan, and I'm joined again, as always, by Derek and Tom, Sweeney. Yeah. We're here. We're here again. So, just a little housekeeping before we get this shit starting. Uh, Sweeney and I are moving. Gip, yep, in the next week to a new apartment.

We're going to gut this place, set fire to it. Take all the fucking, take all the screws out the fucking everything. So this place is going to be fucking hollow. Yeah, yeah. The second someone steps in here after us, it's collapsing. So obviously, to make sure that that happens, uh, we're not going to be able to record the next episode of the podcast on the day that we usually record it.

So we're going to be doing today is we're going to be recording. two episodes, two shorter ones, to accommodate for the fact that, you know, we're not going to be able to record when we're moving. All of our shit's going to be packed. It's going to be a mess. So if you're curious as to, if something crazy happens next week

and we don't mention it on the show, that's why. So don't be, like, confused as if you're, like, listening to this in, like, a different time period or something. Just, yeah, just wanted to let you guys know. Obviously, if you've read

the title of this episode, you know that this is going to be pretty spoiler-heavy for the Last of Us Part 2. We all have kind of a lot to say about it, and we felt generally that it was worth talking about. I know that not everybody has had a chance to finish it, and like a lot of people, there are a lot of people who care about spoilers. Just come back to this episode after you finish it. If you submitted a question and you also care,

just, again, just, I guess, finish the game and then just come back. Yeah, please. There will be a normal episode next week. I just felt like there was a, there was a lot to talk about here, and I feel like I feel like it could carry a whole show. Yeah, so I'm not to unpack about this game, because it's a, it's very packed. Yeah. You know, there's a lot to unpack about a lot of games, but there's never been so much buzz around a single game. I can't, when's the last game that you can think of when there was just so many people, like, discussing it like this much where it's like...

It was not as quite, but it was deaf stranding. No, it was not as much. because that thing was also very, it was very polarized too, but it wasn't like this. It was polarizing, but Death Stranding was polarizing because there were some people who didn't find it fun and there were some people who didn't get it. And that was really it. It's not that people don't get The Last of Us Part 2. It's that people just have genuine. I'm not talking about the reaction.

I'm talking about just the buzz it got. Like, people were talking about that game and how some people just didn't really like it. But this one is like, people just are just really, really like, fuck this. Yeah, it seems that it's really hyperbolic every single. Yeah, dude. It's intense. It's kind of difficult because, like, I'm supposed to, like, give an authentic opinion on this game, like, on sacred symbols. And I'm finding it very difficult because I see takes every day from people who really, really are praising it.

And people who are really, like, digging into it. And both of them are doing it in ways that I find. incredibly cringe-worthy. So it's hard for me to play through it and think about it because it's like, fuck, like, I agree with this, but I also don't want to be like that person. It's like, it's just polluted my brain now, where it's like, I don't know if I can even give an authentic opinion on it. It's frustrating.

I think, I mean, I think you can, and I honestly think once you're, when it's all said and done, I honestly believe, because of the hype, you know, that's what we always, we always feed into the hype and then we blow things up. way more than we should. But I think if the leaks never happen, I think there would have been somewhat of a big response of people being like, I didn't like this or I love this, but obviously not nearly as big.

But I think the vast majority of people are going to be like, yeah, it was kind of meh. You know, I think that's where it kind of like with the first game, I think it wouldn't have been too much different from the second one where it's like, damn, that didn't go how I kind of hoped it would go whatever. You know, I think that's kind of like the type of feel that I had. You know, maybe somebody who's heavily invested in the game,

maybe they would have those bombastic reactions, but I don't know, man. I agree. This game happened. The problem for the problem I think it was, was they delayed it so many times, like a lot. Yeah. And then what happened was the delay led people to get angry

to the point that people literally released the entire script of it. And then like the script being released was, it's not what people wanted also. So it was just a ton of situation that people just weren't getting what they wanted from this game and that has made people just resentful to it. I don't know because cyberpunk's been delayed

countless times and people aren't nearly as angry at CD Project Red. But Cyberpunk wasn't, but Cyberpunk was initially like, it didn't give us a release date way before. It didn't show us as early as it like the last of us, if I'm not mistaken. No, they definitely did show it. They showed, they showed

Cyberpunk 277 at E3 2012. Damn. well then that's a while it's it's a long that game's been in the public consciousness for a very very very long time they they teased that game before witcher three

I think was even a thing that they even thought about so I think the script also leaking and just how how things happen in the script and how certain characters acted the paths and I think the biggest the biggest problem with this I guess we're gonna

I'm gonna actually take the first step instead of actual yeah we're gonna spoil it so obviously If you've listened this far, just keep in mind. We warned you. There's ample warning. Time to spoil it, baby. They don't like the idea of Abby's character being a character you play as after she kills Joel. People don't like that.

Which I like playing as Abby because I like her combat a lot. I like how she so, she does it with her hands. I like how brutal her punches or how she like stomped zombies fucking heads. And she like just literally just like breaks their necks. Like that's fucking cool to me. I enjoy it, you know? She plays like a bruiser. And that's fun.

but the idea is just the whole entire scene where Joel saves her I like it at that part like when you when you're like running from the zombies and all pressing against the gate and it's falling on you then Joel's like give me your hand and they take her and her and Tommy and him help and that's cool and I like that but then the idea of this is that Joel gives his name to them me and Chris talked about this all last night he he gave her his name after Joel has killed and scorn so many people over over the last I don't know how many years it's been. Yeah. It didn't make any sense. Like, I don't even think people would have a problem with Joel dying. Because there's plenty of games that have beloved characters die, and they don't receive the backlash that this got. And the reason that this had the backlash that it had is because the choices that Joel makes

that lead to his death are so convenient, so quick and so stupid. They're abrupt. Yeah, that it doesn't feel belief. Like, I'm, me currently as I exist in this reality wouldn't give my name, my real name to random people in a zombie apocalypse. Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. So the thought of Joel doing it who... Is a monster.

Who's done fuck shit. It just doesn't make sense. It's just such a stupid decision for that character to make. And it just makes you feel like they're just. treating this character like a complete idiot. Yeah. Because by the time, because by the time he gets,

like, clubbed, I almost don't even care. I have this thing where it's like, if a character does something that is objectively just beyond stupid, I immediately stop caring. I immediately just stop caring.

Do you remember Stranger Things, season two or whatever? Yeah, where like, fucking Sean Aston, uh, fucking, what's his,

yeah, he brings a gun into this like, in, like, monster-infested, like, building. And then he leaves it. And it's like, what? You're surrounded by monsters, and you

didn't think to grab the one thing that that, like, I immediately, like, I like, I like that character a lot. And then immediately when that happened, I was, I was smiling when he got torn apart by those little demademadogs or whatever the fuck. Dema dogs.

Dog, demadogs? Yeah. Yeah, okay. About, about, about Joel, because people are obviously, were angry before when they saw the leaks and they didn't know how it got to that point. They just knew that like he gets clubbed to death. Like Abby teased off on his head. Yeah.

But like the way that it did. So there was already the people that were mad that liked Joel because I put out a little review of thoughts about it. And I said the biggest thing, I know people, the biggest thing that they liked above the last of us people liked is the relationship between Joel and Ellie. Yeah. Okay. So that's not happening.

but they also, Joel is the best character in the entire game, so it sucks that they kill them off. The first thing that actually happens of worthy, any note that's noteworthy in the game, he gets killed. And like you said, it's the way that it happens because I likened it to, if you've seen the movie Dumb and Dumber, when Lloyd runs into Seabass in the restroom, it's just such a, the odds of that happening is so ridiculous.

But, you know, it's a comedy. It's supposed to, it's fun. So, like, it's like, oh, okay, cool. But, like, say how everything worked out, Abby just happened to go down the hill, go check it out. Then, you know, then happens to run into Joel. Yeah, I feel you. Immediately. Like, it just happens everything so immediate.

And then they happen to make it to the mansion. And Joe goes to that mansion. Like, he goes to that mansion. Like, that's what blew my mind. I feel like Joel really wouldn't do that. And it's, I don't know, man. It just undoes a lot of that character. Not in, like, a interesting way.

Like, you know, it reminds me a lot of The Last Jedi where, like, I don't even really hate The Last Jedi because I just don't care. I just don't care about Star Wars enough to give a shit. Oh, man, I hate that movie so much. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, welcome to 2017. But the, I just don't care about that because, like, I just don't give a shit about Star Wars at all. And, I mean, the Last Jedi was also, like, way better than the last Jedi.

fucking rise of Skywalker. Like, it's, it's sad how bad Rise of Skywalker was. But, you know, the Last Jedi did all these, like, weird things where they were like, oh, Luke is like disillusioned and he's like a jaded old man. And it's like, that's a fine idea, but it's like the way that they did it. You know what I mean? Where it's like, oh, he's like, he gets his, he gets his lightsaber back and he just tosses it over his shoulder for like comedic relief. And it's like, what? Even if he's a jaded old man, like, he wouldn't do. that. Like, it doesn't, that's not that character at all. That's so aggravating.

And it's like a lot of, it's a lot of little things, really. Because, like, the overarching idea is fine. Like, the overarching idea of, like, oh, hey, you know, like, Joel dies because obviously he's done a lot of crazy shit. And you play as the person who, you know,

does him in. That's a genuinely interesting setup for a game. Very true. But it's done so... Exactly. It needs to be executed better. That's all. It doesn't justify its existence as like a concept. I agree. It doesn't do well enough. It's like Joel.

You barely even really get to see Joel, you know? It's quick. It's so quick. And then like the best parts of the game happen in these like flashback sequences. Yes, exactly. When you're like, because there are flashback sequences in the game where like you and it's like a couple years earlier and you're younger Ellie with Joel. And you're just doing all these like really cool things and like the, They're really nice moments.

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how do you not notice that? The issue too is that they try to, they try to make you like Abby. They try to make you like sympathize with Abby, but it's, it's hard to because like, there's a rule, there's a general rule of first impressions, right? Where your first impression of anything, thing is like really, really important. Like, it's a make-or-break thing. And when your first impression of Abby is just this, like, psycho bitch who killed, like,

the best character in the game, it becomes this weird, like, oh, well, I just don't like this person as, like, a base rule now. So when you go back, like, it, like, I don't know what, I don't know why so many games and so many movies now are, like, obsessed with, like, non-linear storytelling,

and they're obsessed with, like, oh, we'll, we'll flash forward and we'll flash back. back and we'll tell the story this way and it's like stop it's stupid you're screwing you're screwing with the flow people people don't understand to do it right i don't i don't know i don't first i don't understand how you like i couldn't sit down and create a non-millionaire story i just could not because i wouldn't know how to introduce certain parts of it and i feel like people also feel that same way but they try it anyway and i'm like what you'd write it what you do is you'd write

it up and then like resegment it and then like tweak the intros and outro's definitely what they did that's true and i understand that but like that's still fucking hard. It's still fucking hard to do. It could work. Like, if this was episodically, it could have worked great because you would also have time to breathe. You maybe would have more time to spin with Abby because the problem is that Abby's just a brand new character and I'm supposed to care about her even though she just killed Joel. That's such a problem. But like, say, if you have episodes where there's an episode where you got introduced to Abby before

she killed Joel, maybe I would be a little bit invested. Maybe I would be a little bit more like, okay, let's see where this goes or something. but like when it's just one entire game and then let's try to cut shit up and at one of the highest point the climax of the game really when like Ellie and Abby meet up at that one point where she just killed

the Asian dude I forget his name and then she has Joel's brother if you guys remember that part it's like oh this is really heightened what's about to happen and then it just oh we're gonna play as Abby for like forever now and I'm like, wait, that, you just literally, I was just about to bust.

And then you just, and then you just walked away. And like you, and I'm not going to see you for like another week. It was crazy. They slipped a cockering on you. You're like, what are you doing? What are you doing? It's just very, it bothers me because the story is like close to being good. And I think that's like the most frustrating thing.

It's like it's actually close to being a pretty decent story. But it's like these really core pacing issues. And these really core decisions that characters just wouldn't make that they make anyway just kind of sours everything that's good. And it's really confusing because it's just like I don't even really know how to feel about any of this because it's just whiplash almost. Yeah, yeah. And I also got to call into this isn't a big deal, but I think subconsciously it, like there's some people that are freaking out about Abby looks

but it's like the thing that annoyed me about it is it seemed very unnecessary and necessary and kind of jarring in the post-apocalyptic world when I'm thinking how is because they show Abby you know before when you know you flashback way later into the game and then they show Abby like a few years later and then she just jacked and I'm like it's seen it's such a glaringly like why is this even why would you even do this in a post-apocalyptic world I understand the need of getting really strong and stuff but that's like performance enhancing type stuff. Like you need good drugs to do something to get that big. And my whole thing is putting on like 40, 50 pounds of muscle in that type of environment, it just seems like you shouldn't

be able to do that. Not there is a gym. There's you still have the equipment, but to get those type of drugs and to use them specifically just to do that, it just seems glaring to me because, you know, I really do pay attention to fitness a lot in the fitness world and stuff like that. and knowing what it takes to get to that point. It's just weird to see that. I don't particularly think she's like unbelievably big. She's like, she's dizzed up. She's definitely like not a small girl.

She's never been, she wasn't a small girl though. That's the problem. Like there are some women that are pretty big and then they just sculpt their muscles. And like, wow, that's, I know some pretty big women, some wrestlers. Like, like, like, amateur wrestlers. I didn't see her, I didn't see the prior her to the now her. also. I didn't see that yet. It made it much more, it made it much more ridiculous to me when I saw the original her

because she just looks very normal sized and then. And at the end she's really tiny too, actually. Oh yeah, that's because she's malnourished. She's mildnourished. So it really looks like she just stopped. She didn't have access to her steroids anymore. That's what it looked like. She was malnourished, but it just looked like, oh, you know, because only a few months

passed by and then all of a sudden she's completely thin. She's deflated. And I was like, this is weird. Like, this seems like it is, she's so big. I almost feel like I wanted an explanation to why she did that. And why, I would have found it interesting. Honestly, I would have been like, I don't think her natural size was too big, but I think the points were, like,

when she before she was that size and then she being that size could be jarring to me. I haven't seen her when she's before yet. It's just weird. It's just weird. That's all it is. Like, I know some big, I know some girls that are like yoked up. Like, I know some muscular women. Like, in the female basketball.

team. I knew girls that were smaller than me, sure than me, but they were still near the same build that was when I wasn't as, like, heavy. Yeah, there's definitely some people that are built. They're gifted. They have great genetics and they already start off being like much better than the average person. And then they just craft themselves. And that's not Abby. You know what I mean? That's okay. I feel you. It's just, it's just weird. It's just like, it was a weird decision. And I wonder like, say, whose idea was it and what was the purpose? Because it kind of as, as seeing how literal the story is trying to be and how Sears is trying to be taken. It's just, it's

one of the things in that world that seems so unlikely for somebody to do. Like, nobody else's fucking roided out. You know what I'm saying? Like, just Abby. And I'm like, well, why is that? That's a little weird. I don't know. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't think that she

looked particularly all that big to me. Same. Like, when I first saw because I just figured, like, oh, you know, I've seen muscle chicks before. Yeah, of course. But yeah, I also haven't seen the before. I've seen pretty much everything about the game, except for Abby's gameplay sequences and like all that's all that shit. That's right.

That's right. So this is like a half. The only reason we're doing a spoiler cast is because we've had the whole thing spoiled anyway. Yeah, really. But I don't know. It's weird because like I like it. Can I get, I wanted to give a good moment on the gameplay. I enjoy the gameplay.

I enjoy how, I enjoy how Abby plays. I already said that. I enjoy how Ellie plays, you know. I like how, like, I don't remember if this is in the first one, but I like how you, I'm pretty much running, giving your momentum actually affects your melee attacks. Like, if you have, like, a weapon and you run at somebody, you'll be able to instantly finish them for the most part. I like, yeah, yeah. There's aspects of the gameplay that I actually like, which is, which is nice because the, the Last of Us won, I didn't like the gameplay really at all. It felt like, it felt simple.

It felt really, well, I mean, this one's simple, too. It's like, they just polished it, really. The way that I'll always describe it is like You know a game can be simple But if it like feels good You know then it's like it's almost fine Because it makes up for the lack of complexity In like a sense of like polish

And like the feel that you get And that's kind of the feel that I get with The Last of Us too Where it's like the gameplay is like It's basically the same Like there's a jump button that plays a very little part in anything Yeah it's very not useful at all It's really stupid It's only useful to get to other platforms

Like in exact moments Like you can't use jump and like combat you can't use jumping like and any like particular unique exploration wise is it's like if you need to get to this next building you can jump and get to the next building you can't like jump up and like do like a heavy attack or anything like that

which is kind of lame like why even put the jump button I don't really think the heavy attack is I don't I don't know about heavy attacks I just think it should be used in more unique ways of exploration no no but what I mean is like in Halo like when you like assassinate someone like when you do the assassination animation like or even in Doom Eternal like when you do like a glory kill

you know like All of that stuff is, all of those animations are contextualized based on, like, what area of the body that you're targeting and, like, where your camera is positioned or, like, where you are positioned in relation to the enemy. I feel that, I feel that, I just don't think Lasov is that kind of game at all. Like, I feel like Halo and Dumme Channel, that works for those games. No, no, no, what are you talking about? This game's, like, brutal as shit. No, I understand that, but, like, you using your jump for a heavy attack in a Lasavis game doesn't really feel like anything that would even, like, because she's not going to be jumping high enough or moving fast enough or. doing it like that to like her have an actual super unique attack.

I'm not saying that she should jump 50 feet in the air and do a fucking bayonetta spin. I'm not saying that like, I'm not even saying that. I'm saying pressing the jump button before you hit should at least affect like the way that you hit in some way just to add some relevance to the jump button in the first place. Like it doesn't have to be literally you jump 50 feet in the air like do anything like. I was just thinking like I don't really know what her jumping is going to change about any of her attacks. The trajectory of the of the fucking swing or like the end.

animation. I'm way into the game. I'm 11 hours in and I'm seeing the same animations over and over again. Because I don't like think of it like this. If I had a lead pipe in a fight, I'm not going to jump into my bed pipe. I feel like that's exactly. That can just end. Really. Oh my God. You're, I'm talking in a game, I'm talking in a game design perspective. Like if you, if you had like a jet pack and you press the sprint button while you were using the jetpack, it would make the jetpack move further faster and forward. Yes, that's true. Like I'm not saying you would literally sprint while flying. That's true. But I'm trying the context of like, what, I don't see how that would be any means useful in a game where they're supposed to have relatively, like, realistic motion.

So you jumping before you hit somebody with like a freaking, like any sort of weapon. I at least I think what Chris is trying to say is that it's too simplistic. Like that jump button could be used for something while you're. It could be used. Okay, while you're in combat. It could like, it could add a different melee style of move. Like, say maybe if you push these two buttons together. it does something. Is that what you're trying to say, Chris?

Yeah, just to add some use to the jump button that is not the useless way that they use it throughout the... Like, the thing that I don't like about it is that it's just... You only use it to jump up over and over chest high walls or like obvious platforms that I feel like you could do in the original Last of Us anyway without the jump button. You know what I mean? Probably. There's just a lot of missed opportunities where it's like, I'm not saying that the jump button literally has to translate to a literal jump.

But when your brain thinks of a jump button, you think verticality. That's what you think of when you think of the jump button, like in your ape brain. And when you press the verticality button and follow it with your melee button, you can get some different animation for your fucking executions or some different animation for your swings that makes the gameplay a little bit more involved than just mashing square and dodging on occasion. I think, yeah. But that's a game design thing. That's like more like in the world.

weeds of like how people think about controls and like yeah what that what that means i mean this game obviously they didn't they didn't really care about because it's it's it's it's you know the the combat is very simplistic they don't care about that it's very it's heavily story driven right um which it's that to me that's like my favorite part of the combat is just how uh brutal like i was uh in in that review i did um i talked about the game manhunt by rock star which I would love like a remaster or maybe even a three, but I doubt that's ever going to happen because all the controversies that it had.

But I was just thinking, I was like, man, I think this is basically what I want essentially. Some of them, some of the kills seem so personal. Like when you just stabbing them in the throat and cutting it, and then you just hear like the gurgling and shit. And I'm like, that is, that's actually kind of fucked. I'm like, it sounds like I think this is what real death sounds like. Yeah.

Which you don't typically hear. It's like a live leak video. It's pretty crazy. Fucking Swinney was probably solvating. I like when you bust people's fucking heads. That shit is nuts. The thing that's weird about it, though, is that it's trying to make me feel bad about doing it, but I don't feel bad at all. I just can't.

I can't do it. It's too late for me. Like, they try to get you. It's like, you're killing dogs. And it's like, do you know how many dogs I've thrown bows through in like Far Cry? Or like, any number of, like, come on. In zombies, I would laugh when they would blow up when I was little. This is Sarah Spain from Good Game with Sarah Spain, brought to you in part by Vital Farms.

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I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard of years recently that said $20 billion. $1.20 billion is an insane number. Yeah, $20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to $22, 23 after.

this year and each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows so the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on awesome so how does someone get in contact with morgan and morgan what would i do if i got into an accident probably the easiest way is dialing pound law that's pound 529 from your cell phone we are always open our call center is always waiting to take your call 24 7 365 wow dan morgan from morgan from america's large injury law firm thanks for coming by the show thanks for having me visit for the people.com for an office You. They'd blow up and I'd be like,

ha ha, you fucking dump flaming dog. Why are you on fire? That's stupid. And I would kill the dog with a smile on my face. I would in fact enjoy it more because they'd run straight at you.

So I get to blow them up as soon as they'd jump and they'd fall out the sky. That was funnier to me. Yeah. It's weird, man. Like, I feel like my issues with

the first last of us and this last of us are completely swapped. Because I liked the story a lot in the first one, but I didn't give a shit about the gameplay. Like I couldn't have given less of a fuck about it

But in this one it's like even though the gameplay is like relatively unchanged It's just like it feels more kinetic and it feels more brutal and it feels feels more satisfying to fight Yeah Just because the feedback just feels a lot more like visceral Yeah, so like I actually So I actually like the game and the fact that you can go prone and stuff is like kind of fun The gameplay is actually like the thing that's keeping me going and like the story is just kind of this thing that I have to like either Enjoy sometimes or just kind of deal with

other times because there are definitely some moments that I really like obviously the flashback sequences are really good there are some moments in like when you're playing as Ellie that are like really good too like when you're going to the hospital to kill that uh to to to kill that you're talking about the black chick yeah dude that's my favorite that's my favorite that's my favorite part with that that chase sequence yeah I love that that was actually very well done I love how it I even love how it ended like yeah in that part I was just like man this was brilliant like just the way like took her down there and obviously she's immune so I was just like, dude, that was perfect.

And I'm like, why, when you have gold like that, when you have a flashback, like Ellie's birthday, when you have gold like this, like, it's hard for me to like just even understand how you, like, hey, guys, this is so good that it makes the rest of the game look like shit. We got to do something about this. And what happens? Are they pressed for time? Like, what is the reason why the way that Joel was killed was so shitty compared to some of the other parts of the game that were actually pretty good?

You know what I mean? Like it makes me, it makes my head kind of. It's just really lopsided because you have these moments, you have these moments where like I understand where the 10 out of tens are coming from. You know what I mean? Like when I see something, like there are certain sequences of the game where I'm like, oh yeah, this is like a 10 out of 10 sequence. This is like a great brilliant sequence.

I love this. But then there are also just parts like, like we were talking about earlier with Joel and like how everything's paced and just some story moments that are just like, man, it's so jarring because it sits alongside these incredible set pieces and these incredible, like, moments. If only you could give a game 10 out of a 10 for a good sequence, you know, like, that's fucking stupid. That's ridiculous. I hate what's happening in the industry. I hate what's happening.

The new Tomb Raider would have been a 10 out of 10 for me if that was the case. It had that, there was a moment in the new Tomb Raider, the newest one, where, like, Laura Croft thinks, like, her friend is dead, and she, like, falls in the ocean, and she just rises out of the thing. the ocean and she's like this fucking dark shadow and she's taking everybody out like it's fucking doom. It was one of the best sequences I've ever seen in a video game and then it immediately undoes it. That's like the last of us. That's how the whole game feels.

Man, I hate that man, because I did see all the scores and stuff and I just, I wish this didn't happen. I wish there wasn't this because that's how we got into all that bullshit that happened all them years ago where it's like something gets attacked and then everybody in the industry needs to band together even when it's not warranted. Or it's like, all right, you know, like you guys, we have your support, but we're not going to, we're still going to have our integrity. We're going to give you our real scores. We're not going to just give you a 10 because you guys are getting treated unfairly.

I think that's bullshit. Like to, just because, you know, something's being treated unfairly, people are already prejudging. Some people are being really ridiculous. It's still not going to be like, this game is perfect. Like, what the hell? That's also psychology, though. Like, sometimes, like, that's just what happens. Like if something just sort of burrows into your subconscious

And you know that this is the conversation going around it It will inevitably like affect your opinion It's the same way that like if you get a game from like a publisher for free or whatever That might not affect your opinion that much But it's definitely going to play into how you feel about it Even if it's like a little bit That's true Yeah, that's true

But for me I see it as if it's You have to experience something to give a genuine view on it Oh yeah That's that's like a lot of people aren't even doing that They're like, oh, that's just shit. And it's like, for instance, I'm Anthem. I thought Anthem was bad. And I tried it just to see why everybody thought it was bad.

And the problem with that game is that the, the biggest problem with that game is that the biggest allure to it is not correctly built into the game. Flying is not used correctly in that game at all because you can just fly through the whole entire game and fuck exploring the places they tried to create for you. That is the problem with Anthem. A lot of people probably don't even know that. They probably just like, oh, it's bad because of this. It's like, well, it's just bad. It's like, well, no. To be honest, Swinney, like, I'm one of the people, like, I'm kind of one of the people that are on the opposite where I wasn't, I didn't say anything negative about it.

So I guess I'm not the opposite. But I was just one of those people where I was somewhat indifferent because I was like, oh, this isn't, this is this is nothing like a biowware game. I see what they're trying to do. Like the, what are they called? Is that what they call it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I was kind of like, oh, that's, I typically don't play those games.

So I was just, it just didn't even appeal to me. I mean, the flying aspect, it looked kind of cool. but also I think we might even touch upon that where it's like you have no incentive to like stick around if you can just fly at all time. That's the thing. I was I was in a bad situation and I flew and I was just like, oh. The problem is that that game is centered around a mechanic that wasn't developed. No, it's not that it wasn't developed. It was developed. The problem is that like it's centered around a mechanic that as it exists in video games is like the ultimate killer of any fun in video games. When you can just get out of any situation and when like all your levels are just, you know, backgrounds for you to fly through. Like there's nothing intrinsic.

There's nothing interesting about that because there's no conflict. There's no, there's no encounters. There's no exploration. There's nothing. It's just flying through nonsense, you know? You can't have a compelling game where you just have all of the freedom. There's a reason why every game that's like really popular and really amazing is a game where you're not particularly super powerful. People like games like proto.

and Hulk's ultimate destruction and stuff like that. Because they're just fun little like, oh, I have all the power. I can beat shit up. But that gets repetitive after a while because the whole reason people play games is to find some semblance of challenge or to get lost in some kind of world or something or like explore shit. And when you can fly everywhere, none of that is present. You just have too much power.

And I don't know, Anthem was just a fucking mess. I do think you can form an opinion on a game without playing it in some way. but like I think to have a like an informed opinion I do think like you can't be leaving reviews for games that you haven't played. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which that's a big problem. People do that way too often.

Yeah. People have really, really in-depth opinion about things they don't understand. And I'm like, how can you do that? That's dangerous. I think the biggest problem is the, uh, the hate boner train where there's people that specifically are,

um, let me give an example. Um, I actually like the guy, Mutahar from some ordinary gamers. But he put out like a video on H3H3 like maybe a month or two ago where he was just going hard in the pain on Ethan. And it turns out the information was incorrect. And it was just kind of like, all right, if this was incorrect information, like how did you even become this outraged when it didn't even happen what he was saying happened?

So it's like it kind of just showed you that he was kind of just feeding into that kind of, oh, there's a hate train for Ethan. so I'm going to capitalize on it by just kind of going hard on the paint on him. Like, how could you hate something you don't even know? You don't even know the story. Like, how could you hate something you don't? You don't even understand.

Well, see, that's what I mean. And I see a lot of people doing the same thing for, like, the last of us, too, where the leaks, like, we kind of touched upon it where I said, when I saw the leaks, I was like, oh, I can already tell. You guys thought maybe I was being a little bit too premature, which is totally fine to think that. I was thinking that, like, I've seen enough, like, I've seen enough to where I know that Joel's best part of the game,

they kill them that sucks. I know that's going to affect how I feel about the game. Oh, for sure, yeah. Yeah, and I still felt the same way. But there's other people that are just going just like, this is the worst thing ever. I can't believe this. I'm like, really?

Do you, do you, honestly, I bet you played The Last of Us one fucking time and then you haven't played it again. And now you're acting like, this is like the worst crazy thing. Like, you're actually heavily invested in Joel and Ellie. I bet you haven't thought about them for seven fucking years. Like, I don't like Joel. You don't like Joel?

I don't like Joel. Why don't you like Joel? I enjoyed playing as him, but the ending, where he did in the ending, really, really, really burned me. I loved it. I loved it. I loved it, actually. And you know why I loved it? I hit, oh my God.

You know why I loved it? Because it was such a human thing to do. I loved it. It was such, the thing is that, look, I don't understand how, how, like, I understand selfishness is a very primal human thing, you know? I understand that. I understand that, like, that's how people think you should like, oh, man, I got to defend my, I got after myself. But I see it as this.

Whenever you feel, whenever you feel a pain, right? Whenever you feel something has happened to you, and you have the ability to avoid others from feeling the exact same kind of pain. You shouldn't be capable of doing it. So, like, when Joel chooses to, um, to kill all the doctors, I was like, what? Well, all of them. Joel wouldn't have, look, Joel wouldn't have killed them if,

the doctor didn't threaten him in the first place. That's true, but that's true, but he murdered all of them. He didn't need to murder all of them. Well, see, you actually didn't have to. That's actually a part of- That's also true. I saw that later on. I killed them all.

You didn't have to kill them. And they only literally, like, and why that's not even canon, the canon is you killed the doctor. You didn't kill everybody else because they didn't even mention the second game. Like, oh, he slaughtered all of the nurses and shit. Like, you just, you killed the brown man because he was fucking brown in the first. game and then it is red condom white yeah that was he was he was he was he was he was he was either black or he was indian he was he was a brown man and the funny thing is i even thought

about delayed so i got delayed like all this is we can't we can't be we can't be killing dark skins right now man he's you know what's going on i was thinking but the funny thing is i was thinking of like isn't this almost a missed opportunity for uh for uh more progressivism where like that dude was brown and then abby could have been like a brown girl. I don't know. I was just like, yeah.

Like they could have literally just rendered her brown and it would have been like, hey, that's cool. And actually I, I would have appreciated it more. It would have been less

of a glaring redcon. You know what I mean? Like it was such a, I was like, okay, they're not even trying. They're not even fucking trying. But anyway,

I want to get back to the Joel thing. Joel doesn't, he's not a murdering psychopath. He just kills anyone that gets in his way, right? That's what he seems. Like he is a murdering,

psychopath but within within the reason of being in the zombie apocalypse or whatever. Yeah. And I think that he did this because there was no way in hell he was going to lose another daughter. I think that was the major thing where it's like I don't think many people can understand the pain of losing a child. That's true. And he lost his girl.

And then now he's like, Ellie's his new daughter essentially. And he's like, dude, I can't do this again. It's for the greater good, but I can't do it. And but the, but my, my perspective is that this is my perspective, okay. If he, the one, 100% the thing is that no one knew 100% it was going to save Ellie. Like it was going to save everybody. Ellie could have just died just for dying. Now it would have been it.

No, it wasn't 100%. It wasn't a hundred percent fact. You know, I'm not mistaken. I don't remember if Ellie knew that she was going to die from it. No, she didn't know. I don't think she knew. She definitely didn't know. She didn't know.

And it's actually a part of, it's a part of the plot. It's a part of the plot in the second game Yeah It's actually because even the opening of the game That the Asian dude I wish I remembered his name But I don't fucking remember Jesse I think

Jesse I think so I think you're right Yeah you're right It's Jesse you're right Jesse you're right Jesse mentions because they They talk about that incident That happens where Dina kisses Ellie

And then something happens There's old bigot And then it's like Oh you shouldn't have to treat Joel that way And then it's like Oh I wonder what happened And you this is where it's like the storyboard is so out of whack because you're like oh I wonder why he's mad you find out way later why she's mad and it's because it gets exposed like oh yeah by the way you were supposed to die to save the world but I was a selfish twat and so how you doing and then Ellie hates Joel like hates Joel like he's and then but then you figure out like the reason why she hates Joel at the very very very very end of the game yeah when she talks to him about that when she says it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's so it's

Yeah, and like you took that away. It's really weird the way that they set that shit up, but I'm like, I should have been able to understand why she was so furious at Joel much way before the end. That's not a thing. It would have been, I'm telling you, man, it would have been a better story if it was just linear. Yes, absolutely.

Everything about The Last of Us 2 would be fixed if it was a more linear story and if Joel didn't make such a stupid decision. Those are the only two things. that I would honestly change about it. Yeah, Joel should have died way later. In my opinion, Joel should have died way later. This is the way I thought...

But he would have died way later if it was a linear story. Yeah, you're sure. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And if things... Well, I also would have liked things if things were fleshed out a little bit better because we talked about how convenient everything just fell into place for him to get murdered. But I thought, like, what would have been way better is how headstrong Joel is.

What if they would have captured, was it Tommy, his brother? What if she would have, like, oh, oh, I don't have... Joel, like, she figures out that this is the brother or something because he just slips up or he says something, captures his ass knowing that, like, okay, I have to get my brother back. And everyone's like, well, it's going to be an obvious trap. Like, we don't know. You can't just go by yourself, whatever, it ends up happening. He ends up dying anyway because he's an idiot by going.

You know, something where it's just like more believable. I think it would have came upon the mansion. I don't think she should have led him there. He should have came upon himself during the time the blizzard was really bad. He should have came upon the mansion. That actually would have been cool when, like, they're patrolling and maybe something goes wrong, and they actually end up over there, which it's more of a reasonable thing happening than, say, Abby just coming down the mountain, happens to run into these two people that happen to be the people that you're looking for,

happened to make it to the mansion, and then immediately, immediately. Oh, we made it. Thank God. All right. I'm Joel. Oh, looks like you guys know me. Blah, shotgun. and I was like, well, that was fucking quick. I was like immediately just. They missed out on a really good opportunity to build some tension there too, because if it was revealed earlier that Abby was trying to find and hunt Joel, and then they ran into each other, but it wasn't revealed right away.

Yeah. The tension there would have been insane. Like, that would have been a great, like that. After like a bit of time of them working together, actually, that would have been good. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. And like there's a lot of stuff.

It's like, it reminds me a lot of, like, like pretty much every scene in Inglorious Bastards, you know, where like in the beginning of Inglorious bastards, like, that dude is like hiding, hiding the Jews under the floorboards. And Hans Landa comes in and he's like, you know, talking to him and he knows. This is Sarah Spain from Good Game with Sarah Spain, brought to you in part by Vital Farms. Let's talk eggs. Vital Farms pasture raised eggs to be exact. My favorites.

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largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard years recently it said 20 billion one 20 million is an insane number yeah 20 billion recovered it's actually i think somewhere north probably closer to 22 23 after this year and each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows so the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on awesome so how does someone get in contact with morgan and morgan what would i do if i got into an accident probably the easiest way is dialing pound law that's pound 529 from your cell phone we are always open our call Center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7, 365. Wow. Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's Large Injury Law, from, thanks for coming by

the show. Thanks for having me. Visit furtherpeople.com for an office near you. He knows that there are... There are people under the floorboards, but he doesn't make it immediately apparent. There's like all this tension under there because the audience knows something that, and we don't know if the characters know. And it would have been such a great way to just build tension, and it would have been just a far better way to pace things if we just got to see like waiting for the slip-up, you know?

Yes, yes. Waiting for the like, oh, when's he going to reveal it that like he's this person. Like when is it going to come out in a way that isn't so stupid? I agree. You know what it reminded me of? You know what reminded me of?

Like, imagine you're having foreplay for like an hour and then as soon as you slip it and you bust. Like that's basically what happened because it takes an hour for like the game to like like go anywhere and then that shit happens and it immediately is dead. It was just like such a weird, like, oh, God damn, you don't need to for that long.

Like, give me 20 minutes and then we can kind of start doing the real shit, you know, and then finish normally. It just, it was like a weird way. It's, I don't know, it's just one of those things were every, in almost every form of media, Game of Thrones. There's always a reason. There's like something. I wonder what the reason is for this where things went so poorly.

We say D&D checked out of Game of Thrones. That's why I ended up so terribly because they just didn't care anymore. I wonder what happened with The Last Plus Part 2. It's just weird. There's no bit... I don't know, man. Some of the decisions they made,

it shouldn't be... There's too many people involved in the game for it to happen. It's really frustrating. I don't think it's as bad as, like... I compare it to The Last Jedi, but I don't think it's like nearly as bad. I don't think it's as bad as a lot of these things. The Last Jedi is particularly horrible.

Like the... Rise of Skywalker's... so much worse. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true, but that's an interesting... Last Jedi was the start. That's why I was like this. The Last Jedi is bad, but it's also a movie. That's true. And like, the Rise of Skywalker is like, it reminded me of Amazing Spider-Man too. It was just like, I guess these are sequences that are vaguely related to the IP. For me, for me, it was, for for me, it was just like, this movie looks cooler. So I'm, I can like sit down and see this and not want to scream. You're a call of duty child. That's like Call of Duty shit right there. Well, no.

It was a better looking movie. Simply, oh, this looks better so I can sit down and watch this. But every time anyone opens their mouth, I'm like, fuck you. Fuck you. It's crazy. It's kind of weird that you can have a movie that big. And you also have like JJ Abrams throwing shade at Ryan Johnson, something that should not be in the film itself. But it just, it's there.

Like, oh, we specifically changed this or we said this line specifically to completely undermine what you said in the last. Jedi. And I'm like, that's like some petty fucking, I don't know, what is it? That's some 12 year old shit. It felt like people like vaguely tweeting about each other, you know, but never by name. Like sub-tweets? Yeah, sub-tweets. It's like,

you know, I wouldn't have made a silly decision like, oh, I don't know. And they say something that he obviously is only applicable to him. That is real shit. And it's like, bro, this, there's too much money involved in this project. You can't do this shit. The last of us

Part 2 has like a user score that's lower than Mass Effect Andromeda. And I'm like, I'm sorry, dude. See, that's the hatebar. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Dude, the Last 5thus 2 is, like, objectively a better game than fucking Mass Effect Andromeda. Mass Effect Andromeda simply, simply by the animation of the fucking character's face.

Yeah. She looks like the little. Well, the animation, well, the animation in The Last of Us is probably like the universally praised. Yeah, it looks fantastic. It's all good. I'm talking about how incorrectly something is created that, like, she looked like the fucking, the female character looked like the hamburger from the fucking McDonald's cartoons.

She looked horrible. I was like, why does she look like that? I was, yeah. That was an interesting design choice. I've actually wondered, like, that's the best way to put it. Like, what was your motivation where, like, I don't know, man. I feel like there's simple formulas, like we talk about linear stories. telling. I think this is also is important too because let's say if you if you own a company

and you know how the best formulas work to maximize your profits and things will be most enjoyable. It's like well just work within those guidelines. I feel like that's not even a hard thing to ask. It's not like don't control me bro. Like you know, I don't feel like you have so much you can do. I just feel like what were you going to say? I was going to say like they've already maximize their pro they're they're already they're already like the best selling on the PlayStation 4. Well, already, really?

Well, yeah. Well, it's, it's definitely, it was definitely going to be, I mean, let's be real, the hype, I would have played this game much later. I would have talked about this game

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Didn't happen. If the leaks and all this stuff didn't happen, because I wasn't that hype for the game. I know, Chris, it's a part of your job with sacred symbols. So that's like you definitely have to. Me, I would have, I'm backlogging games right now because, you know, Sometimes you have to do a little bit of housekeeping and realize, oh, I have like 80 games unfinished. I should probably do something about that. And so the last device part two would have been like, yeah, maybe three, six months.

I'll touch you. You know what I'm saying? So this, I think there's so many people that bought this game specifically to see what it was all about and what the hype was about. And just like I saw Sweeney, you shared a, you quote tweeted something and it was this fucking dude that cut the game and had. Yeah, that was ridiculous. I was like, what? Knowing that, but this, he did that, he knew he was going to do that. That was so pre-planned.

When he bought the game, I'm sure he was like, I'm going to play it. And if I don't like it, which I'm probably not going to like it, I'm going to cut it in half and it's going to get a lot of views. I imagine that's what, because. Yeah. No one's that. No one's going to invest, you know, 15 to 20 hours of gameplay. And then, and you're going to know right off the bat.

It's kind of like, say, one of my friends, his uncle bought, this was like, I don't know, we're a freshman, bought this new God Smack CD and he hated it so much that he listened to two songs and he threw it out the window. Because that's all it took. He was just like, I don't, this is fucking trash, I don't like it. And it's gone. He's just done with it. Not like, I'm going to finish this entire thing.

And now I know for sure I am so enraged. It's like, ah, come on, guys. You guys are, you guys are being fucking silly. Like, if I don't like something, I know I don't like it pretty, pretty early into it. Pretty early on. Like I'm like, oh, this is not good. You know, this, this fish shouldn't be going there. I don't like this.

And then you stop. Sorry, sorry, we got to talk about, we didn't talk about the ending. And because I think a lot of people want to know or people want to know our opinions on the ending. I'm going to be the person on the outside. But this is, I, I, how do you guys feel about the ending? Let's hear it. Yeah, the ending is, it was just the best word to say it was unfruitful. I felt like you reached the end.

and then you got nothing out of it. And I think there's a good way to reach that. Because I think, honestly, it would have been so much better because so basically just really short. So there's a point where Abby and Ellie meet and then Abby beats the shit out of Ellie and Dina. But then she decides not, Abby decides not to kill Ellie. She's just like, don't let me see you again, motherfucker.

You know? Don't let me see you again here. And then he just kind of like, she leaves. And then there's another revenge plot where Ellie's like, no, I have to finish it. I'm having these nightmares. Tommy wants, you know, I have to avenge Joel. So then she goes after, you know, and then she has the opportunity to kill Abby.

Abby is completely bound up, you know, just on a cross. There are these pikes, these sticks in the beach. She's completely dead to rights. Cuts her down and then's like, fight me, bro. Fight me. Yeah. And it's like, what? And Abby wants none of that.

Basically Abby's like kind of surrendering. Like, I don't want to fight you. obviously if you want to kill me, kill me. She doesn't say that, but it's like she's not going to fight. Like there's been too much shit already. You can see, you can see on both of those characters that like this is. Ellie pulls an out-of-character move, kind of like how Joel did, where he was being completely stupid in the beginning of the game. Ellie's like, hey, this little Asian boy that Abby's been traveling with, like, I'm going to put a knife up to his throat to threaten you to fight.

And it's like, what? What? What? Like, why would you, what are you doing? Why would you do that? Ellie's always been mercil. Like, throughout all of the god of war, wow, it's this god of war, wow. It's this god of war, not as good.

But the thing, out of all of the time and Last of Us, particularly one, Ellie was telling Joel that he's being too cruel and he was killing people. Like, there'd be times where Joel would fucking club people in head with bricks and Abby would be like, Jesus Joel. Well, Ellie. Ellie. Ellie would be, like, chill. And then she's going to threaten his poor little kid. This kid is asleep. That kid was in the condition that was hilarious, bro.

It was defenseless. It was a weird choice to, it would, man, it was such a weird choice. And it's another thing where, oh, man, it's, what happened? Is it just somebody just wrote it and it's like, well, this is it? And we're not changing this. And no one talked about it. I feel like there had to be like a lot of people that objected to that. People that worked on the game, they're like, dude, we can't do this.

That's such a bad way to go. Even... Yeah, what do you think? I feel like it would have been better to kill Abby and just still have it be completely unceremonious. That would have been much better. That would have been infinitely better because it's like... Well, she finds Abby dead.

That actually... That... Yeah, go ahead. Anything that allows Abby to be fucking dead, because it's the whole point of the game. And like, when you achieve the point of the game, you're supposed to feel good, but it would be interesting if, like, you achieve the point of the game

and you just still felt like shit. For me, for me personally... That seems to be what the game is trying to do. but instead you're just like, you've killed, I don't know, thousands of people and then you reach this one arbitrary point where you're just like, no more. For me, for me, I think the cycle needed to end. I think it needed to stop.

I think Ellie needed to, but the thing is that for me, my idea, I would have changed the whole entire goings on of what happened in the story, opposed to this leaving the ending being that way. Because I just, I don't like... That's so stupid. You would let Abby get away. No, not Abby get away.

I would see that the story needs to end. And they need to both just, it needs to be some sort of finality where like there needs to be no more of either of them maybe. Where there's like there's not going to be a last of us to do. There's no fucking hope in the world because they both probably die or like some shit fucking happens and they both go around. They both just are not in the game anymore. Whether they both die. It pans over to a top that's still spinning. Where Ellie dies or Abby dies or one of the, or it just ends some way because like, I don't know.

I just think that Ellie killing Abby would have just, she would have killed Abby and she would have just. felt like shit because Joel's still dead. Her killing Abby wouldn't have changed anything. Yeah, well, no, it would have because it would have fulfilled the whole point of what a revenge story is. Like, you can't have a revenge story and not have revenge because then you've, that's like having like an Avengers movie and then they just never show up. That's like having an Avengers movie and it's about like fucking Robin. They can't even call Avengers because they're not avenging shit.

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That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of years recently that said 20 billion one. 20 million is an insane number. Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year. And each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident?

Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7, 365. Wow. Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's Large Injury Law, thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forethepeople.com for an office near you. Kingston, it doesn't matter if it solves the problem because it's a satisfying ride. That's like the whole point of a revenge story. In glorious, what do you think in glorious bastards is? What do you kill Bill is? Dude, God of War. God of War.

Like, the entire game is getting back in the guys. I don't like any of the God of War games. I think I don't like them. I don't even like Cretos. This is a revenge-filled character. This is boring. You're just mad. You're mad about what happened and I get it and you have your feelings.

But like, I don't care about you being angry because of the fact that you've killed so many gods and you damn. Kratos literally dams the fucking world in God of War III. And I was like, I hate this. He's a fucking piece of shit. Now what he's feeling, a ton of people are going to feel. You're so weird that you like, you hate these people, but you wouldn't mind doing that shit yourself. I wouldn't do that. That's the thing.

I would not do that. I would hate someone for doing something terrible to me, but I would not do the exact same thing they did to me. Because it's like, I would, I'm the fucking same as this. I'm not doing that. I would never do that. That's not Batman's shit. That's just stupid. That's just simply understanding what pain is.

That's like, oh, I'm not going to kill people. I won't add to the cycle. No, dude. No, dude. No, dude. Kill the clown. Kill the fucking clown. You never, you never.

Kill the Joker, baby. Wait, wait, wait. The Joker is a murderer, right? So Batman not killing the Joker is letting a ton of people, is literally letting a ton of people feel the exact same pain he felt. So that's not the same. I would have killed the Joker. And I would have been like, fuck, I feel like a piece of shit because I'm a murderer now. But this dude won't stop.

But the thing is that to choose to choose to. Oh, man, these people wronged me, right? And what I'm going to do is I'm going to damn the world. So everyone, everyone just goes under fucking shit creek. Everyone, every other person on the planet just feels the worst pain. Everyone feels worse. Every parent loses their child. You have such a strange line.

It's such a strange line for you. It's not a strange line because I literally, I literally. Look, shut up, shut up. Okay, let's hear it. Let's hear it. See, here's the deal. Like, no, most people are, most people are very selfish and they don't have as much empathy as you'd like to think or as, and you don't have as much as do you think. I also think that all these, hold on, like say, do you have an iPhone?

Yes. Yeah. I feel like you wouldn't have an iPhone if you felt bad about the slave, the child slaves that are, that are making these, that are getting all the resources, minding the resources to make sure that your fucking phone is very cheap. I understand. I understand your argument, right? But you partake. Look, look, look, look, let me explain my point, okay. I am not given a direct line in which I can help and stop that from happening. And then if I was given that way, wait, no, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because my minute not contributing is not going to change the entire vastity of the situation. All right? If I was put in a position where I could choose to stop it, if I had the literal power, when people say, oh, you're not, you don't care because you don't have an iPhones. I don't have an iPhone's on this relative necessity. Smart phones are. to live in this planet for the most part, particularly in America, right?

But if I could literally just stop a cycle from going on, I would stop it because I wouldn't want people to feel that way anymore. All right. I don't have the logic where I don't have the logic where I'm like, well, look, most people don't have the opportunity to do shit like that in the world. So now let's go back to like video games.

What would you suggest craters do? And how the fuck would that be a fun game if he was just empathetic and did shit. I'm not saying it's a fun game. I'm saying that doesn't make sense to me. I'm saying that's ridiculous how people can just do that. That's why I don't like characters like that. That's why I can't get behind it.

I think you have an interesting lack of empathy, actually. I think I disagree, dude. I think you do because I heavily disagree. To see somebody who's, you know, family is murdered or to see somebody whose family is being ripped away from them. And to expect that person to just kind of be like, ah, it is what it is.

That's not, well, that's not what I'm saying, though. I'm not saying it is what it is. I'm saying when you go through your path and you understand what you're doing, you should be able to see, that's like someone being prejudiced to someone else and being treated wrongly their whole lives. And then they themselves continue the cycle by having the same views. It's literally that. It is.

What? If some, if you, if you are met with this feeling, right, that makes you feel bad. But then you choose to perpetuate the cycle. then that's ridiculous to me. I don't even know what, what are you taught? In relation to what? Like, let's just say in relation to like the fact is that like, let's say, I live my whole life, right?

And then someone, some, I mean, and people are mean to me because of X, X thing, right? Like, something about me is different, right? And I live my life going through the whole entire cycle of being made fun of or demeaned by that. But then there's someone who else comes into a group and is more different than I am. And I partake and beating them down and tearing them down.

You're no better than the people that made fun of you. So how can, how can you do that while feeling like with having emotions? Just simply having emotions. How can you choose to? I don't see how murder equates to making fun for me. No, not murder. It's just simply the pain that you're feeling.

The feeling you're feeling, whenever you feel something that you don't like, you should never be able to reciprocate the people. Because that's insane. That means you're not learning from your own strife. That means you're not growing. Look, I feel what you were saying. I just also feel like you're ignoring such a basic human emotion for when you are hurt, when you are damaged.

And I feel like, say, the only way you can truly understand that is when something like that really happens to you. Dude, I've had, now look, look, I'm not going to get all sappy, but I've had my fair share of horrible experiences. This is Sarah Spain from Good Game with Sarah Spain, brought to you in part by Vital Farms. Let's talk eggs. Vital Farms pasture raised eggs, to be exact. my favorites, the only kind I've got in my fridge. No joke. And here's why. These aren't your average eggs. The hens live on open pastures with fresh air and sunshine all year long. They forage on local grasses and stretch their wings. They're living their best life. That care really shows in the taste. I love mine scrambled with a little butter or whipped up into a fancy frittata. And here's something most people don't know. You can trace your eggs back to the farm they came from. Seriously, side of the carton, you'll find the farm name. Type it in at vitalfarms.com slash farm. And you're you'll get a 360-degree peak at the pasture.

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Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with? Morgan and Morgan. What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open. Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7, 365. Wow. Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's Large Injury Law, from, thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit forethepeople.com for an office near you. Really, really, really, really, really bad ones, right? And to this day, I would never do any of those things to anybody. Because I understand what they did to me. Let's just say this, for example, which is horrible things that happens.

A kidnapper, you know, kidnaps a person's daughter. Then they, you know, molest and kill the daughter. And then you have the opportunity to kill the molester. Would you not kill the molester because, oh, this is the cycle and shit? Like, I must end the cycle. Now, look. Now, look. Is that what you do?

I could say, like, oh, I wouldn't do that. No. In the heat of the moment, I could do something like that probably. Well, I think that's kind of what is happening with. But let me experience. Let me explain. In the heat of the moment, I could say that I could do something like that. But I also know myself.

And I know that I would also sit peering in my head and I'd be like, I don't know what I should do. Because I have, I feel as if I have the right to kill you. But by me killing you, you're just going to die and that's it. You should suffer for the pain that you've put my family through this person through. And for me to choose that you should die is not my place. at all. You are such a philosophy pussy.

I'm just saying. I don't. I really, really, really, really believe that. I don't, I really don't, I don't believe

that you would act that way if you were putting the, if you're putting the property. Because you, because the thing is that all the time, like this is serious. This is like Kingston, like sat through X amount of philosophy classes

and just seen terrible shit happen and all the horrible stories I've been told by my parents. I understand. I've seen my fair sure fucked up things. I've also been involved with things, and I've had the chance to do fucked up things back to people. And I'm like, it's whatever. I don't really care that much,

or I'll get past it. Because what does that change? If I do that to him, what is it going to change for me? It's not about, but you're talking like a computer, dude. Like you're talking like a calculator. I'm not talking like a computer.

It's like, this is literally emotion-fueled what I'm saying. It literally is a ton of emotions in it. No, you're talking in math. You're like, oh, well, if I do this, then this is. plus this equals more this, therefore no, do this. That's what you're saying.

You're speaking in like, TI.I.83. But I'm not. I'm also saying, I don't want to hurt this person out. I don't want to hurt this person, too. Because why would I, why would I do that? There are people who have crossed me that I would absolutely. Well, not people. I would say person. I would destroy them.

Ooh. There are people I fucking hate. Don't get me wrong. That needs to be spilt, son. No, no. It's not fun. It's not whimsical. It's not hilarious.

I know the person. is just hatred. You just have hatred to them. No, you don't know the person. I know I know of the person. What? Oh, this plot thickens. It's, it's not, it doesn't work well for a comedy podcast,

but I will tell you that there is, there will always be this person, and I will always never not think about just straight up and blaming them. Holy shit. Man. But in conclusion. I think More over

More over Furthermore Yeah I don't know Were we talked What were even What were even talking about Sweeney hating Joel Yeah

I don't like Joel By the way Kingston's favorite character Is the Arbiter From Halo 3 Yes Who by the way Defend Arbiter

Is literally A genocidal monster That's very true But what has to Who has killed billions of people That argument is not going to work Because Arbiter thought it was for salvation.

It's also Keith David, and it's not fair. You can't talk about him like that. That is fair. That's fair. How dare you? He's not going to stop the demons from coming after us. So if Kratos was Keith David, you'd be cool? Oh, man, that'd be more cool, definitely. Actually, that'd be amazing.

This is why Keith David should voice everybody. Listen here, Zeus. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think that you could have like a revenge story and just not full-fell. Phil that that, because that's like the whole point of it. Like, to just kind of leave people hanging is just really lame. And it also doesn't really sell your message because

the whole message of The Last of Us theoretically is, oh, revenge is terrible and revenge is bad. Except Abby sought revenge. Yeah, got her revenge. And she got away. So it's like, what? Abby's fine. Abby's like off on a, off on a whimsical Sea of

thieves adventure now. It's like, what the fuck is going on? Like, you can't, you can't have a game about how bad revenge is and then just, you can't have that be a main plot if this is how you're going to end it. It would have been a far more palpable plot if Abby died, Ellie killed her, and now Ellie's just unfulfilled and sad and miserable.

Yeah, all alone. Yeah, she's all alone. She has no connection to any. That would send that message home a lot more. Also, if there was a lot more choice in the game, it bothers me that there's very little, like you pretty much have to slaughter everybody. Not that I wouldn't

I definitely go out of my way To do it Like there was a moment I was streaming today And I was playing and like The guy was like Please don't hurt me And I was like if I don't hurt you You're just gonna bring where people back

To hurt me like I don't even know how Like there's no like knock him unconscious feature Or like do some other shit Is this this guy is gonna get up And get his gun and shoot at me So you blast him in the face correctly So why the fuck would I just leave him there This makes no sense

They don't give me an option To go about not murdering these people while trying to make me feel bad about murdering these people. And it's like, what the fuck, dude? I'm going to be honest. That's why I kind of didn't even like that they just let, is his name Tommy? Joel's brother?

Yeah. I'm like, dude, I can't fucking these names. But they just let Ellie and Tommy go. And it's such a, to your point, so we're like, why would I let you go? I know they're like, oh, we don't want to be monsters. We'll be no better than they are. But it's like, they're probably going to,

probably going to bring the cavalry back for revenge. They don't give the options. Also, you traveled across the country to beat a man to death in a mansion after he saved you. Like, what is this? What is this? Oh, I don't want to be a, like, come on, dude.

And then you, this is the thing. The main problem with the last of us is that everybody's a fucking monster and they're trying to convince you that some people aren't. And it's like, what the fuck are you talking about? They were all psychopaths. There were people that weren't all terrible.

But like, the vast majority of them have been shaking. The most vast majority of them It's been fucking shitty people There's, I think there's like two people You meet in the first one that just aren't shitty That's it Yeah, that's it

And then they die And it's like fuck well Shit, the little brother The little black people Would it had to be the black people They weren't fucked up people They actually weren't And then what happens

The little baby black kid gets fucking infected And I'm like damn He had a clean ass little afro too And he gets infected and he dies And I'm like shit dude And then the brother kills himself And I'm like God Damn. What kind of lessons are these?

There's no, yeah. Man, it's such an interesting. I feel like this game can be taught later on down the road in a university class. I think there's just like, there's a lot, there's so much you can, there's so many things you can unpack. And it's just an interesting decision at such an interesting point in time in our lives is 2020 with all the shit that's going on. It's a very, like, it'll be very interesting to look back at this and see like, how things got this way and how things would have been different if there wasn't the leaks, if there wasn't the lockdown, you know, of George Floyd, all of that stuff, man.

Because everyone's just going fucking insane. People are just upset, man. People have been upset for a while. And people just need things to be angry at. And I just like, I just don't. I don't get it. I'm just like, bro, y'all need to chill. Everybody needs to take a breath and calm down. Imagine if fucking,

imagine if the last Jedi and Mass Effect and Drama came out this year. Like, that would, that's what... Yeah, they lucked out not being this year. Every time you guys talk about The Last Jedi, I feel like just punching, punching the floor as hard as I can. Well, that's how I feel about Androma.

Turning my knuckles into fucking angel dust. Like, bro, everything in like, even in Mass Effect, like, we were talking about revenge plots. There's like the side character Zaid where that's basically been his life getting revenge over his ex-partner. and I think the blue suns. And you finally have the opportunity, you know, Shepard to help.

But with him being so just wanting so much revenge, he, like, puts a bunch of people in danger. And then you've got to make the decision. Am I going to help out the people who put in danger? Are we just going to go after the dude? And it was an interesting thing that they did were, now if you have enough points, right, Paragon or Renegade, you can just still win his loyalty,

which I thought was fine since it was just a side mission. But, like, say, if it was the, main plot, I would be very pissed off about that. I'd be like, no, it has to be one or the other. You can't help him or not help him, and then you'll still have his loyalty. It's like, if you don't help him, things are totally fucked. And in The Last of Us, and what happened here is that you just, I don't know, you just kind of gave up at the end and it didn't make any sense when it was, like, there was such a hell bent kind of thing, weren't even angry about it, didn't fucking mean anything. and it's like...

I'm definitely not going to travel across the country to kill one person. And not do it. And then not do it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like it's just insane. Especially after just doing it so many times.

Yeah, that's the best of problem. Like I thought that Abby surviving could have been fine. I thought that Ellie killing her could have been fine. But the thing is that the process, the long process of getting there to do it, and then stopping right before the finish line is what the problem comes from. It's not that what happened. It's not that what happened.

It's just that all that went there for this to happen and it not going on. Is this the in-between is what fucks it up? I think I've even, I would have liked it better if at that one point in the game before they started flashing back so you can get introduced to Abby where she heard origins. If actually Dina and Ellie just died because they're on the floor and they pretty much look dead. Like they look like they're dead. And if like basically it would have just fast forwarded to like a few months later and Abby's just in the gym. just pump an iron and then the game ends. I would have liked that better.

I would just feel like that that that was so stupid, but I got a good laugh at it. Thank you. Thank you, Noddy Dog. It would be better. Because the thing is that people show so much brutality constantly throughout the game. And then there's random moments where they stop showing brutality.

And it's like, no, either be brutal or not be brutal. That's it. That's it. Abby also just like, she's so mad that you killed all my friends. And then she just kills Jesse. and then is about to kill Tommy and then about to kill and then that the Asian

was it Ang? I don't remember the Asian boys name is but he's just like... I don't think it was Ang but let's just continue let's continue just like no don't do it like and then she's just like okay

I was like when does that fucking stopped you from doing anything before it's just weird man it's all really stupid decisions the characters make it sad because so much of the game is really good it's just like this big juckold the position.

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through food. Eggs you could feel good about. So next time you're in the store, look for the black carton in the egg aisle and visit VitalFarms.com to learn more. Vital Farms. Good eggs. No shortcuts. I've got Dan Morgan here on the pod. Say hi, Dan. Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.

I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw Billboard of yours recently that said $20 billion. $1.20 million is an insane number. Yeah, $20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year.

And each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows. So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on. Awesome. So how does someone get in contact with Morgan and Morgan? What would I do if I got into an accident? Probably the easiest way is dialing pound law. That's pound 529 from your cell phone. We are always open.

Our call center is always waiting to take your call. 24-7-365. Wow. Dan Morgan. From Morgan and Morgan, America's Large Injury Lawfirm, thanks for coming by the show. Thanks for having me. Visit, for the people.com for an office near you. I feel like if I, I'm only like 11 hours in, I can sense that the gameplay loop is probably

gonna falter pretty quick. Because I'm just seeing, I'm starting to see the same animations over and over again. And, you know, the gameplay isn't varied enough to really carry it for much longer, I feel like. And I know that I have so much longer left to go because I haven't even gotten to Abby's thing yet. Yeah, that's a lot. If I were to guess, you finished that already. I'm impressed Derek.

You finished that pretty fucking fast. Well, I'll be on the very end I just watched a video Because I was just like I don't need to I don't need to I don't need to What the point

The problem was There was too much flashing back And I couldn't progress quick enough That was what was like Yeah That's what was angering me Because it's like I'm stuck In the

I'm fucking stuck in the past And there's no way to advance Because you need The dialogue needs to be fleshed out Which I was like Fuck man I wish this was like I have the option

option to do this or not. I didn't care. Yeah, it's just a little weird. If I were to guess, like, based on my feelings right now, I'd probably rate it around like a seven and a half or like an eight because the presentation is really good and like the combat is pretty satisfying. And like parts of the story are really good. There are like really good moments that I was like, okay, this is good. I'm glad. I'm glad at no moment am I like, oh, I really wish I wasn't experiencing this. You know what I mean? Like there are parts of it where I'm like, oh, I'm glad I I'm glad I saw this. Or like, I'm glad I saw this sequence.

It's a really cool sequence. And the animation is just, like, insane. There's, like, one sequence in particular that kind of blew my mind where, like, Ellie's taking her shirt off. And it's, like, it didn't even cross my mind until I saw it, but I was like, I don't think I've ever seen this happen in a video game. Like, cloth accurately, like, reacting to a character model like that.

It's pretty fucking crazy. Even if it was, like, a cut scene or whatever. Yeah. I was, like, this is, this is kind of, this is kind of impressive. Like, it feels so much of the game, feels next gen. I hate the fact that you can't turn film grain off. I hate Phil Grame.

Film grain is like the worst thing ever and there's no option to disable it. And it's like it's so bothersome. I don't really notice it, but my eyes are broken, so that's probably why I don't notice it. Yeah, yeah, that's definitely good. I feel like a seven seven and a half and an eight is

I think that's insane. To be honest, I think I would give that, I would give that to the first game, probably. I think I think the first game kind of, to me, was like... I think this first game's a solid eight. Yeah, I would give it, I would give it a 7-8. I don't think because the main thing about The Last of Us 2, or just actually the franchise, is it's story-driven.

It's never been about the combat or whatever. It's been about the story. And I feel like the second one is so broken. Like, I can't, there's no way I can give it that. Because it's just like, it's not, if it was a good story and the combat was, I feel like if the combat was like, it wasn't that fun to play, but there's so much more of not fighting than just walking and people talking

that I'm like, all right, I need things to be better. I need, give me a, please give me a reason why I'm going to be here on Abby for hours and, and please draw me in. The thing about, I haven't gotten to Abby yet. Yeah, this is where I'm at. This is where I'm at right now. Oh, that's actually, that's fair. That is fair. That is fair.

I don't, when I, when I, even the first one, like, when I, when I, I won a narrative for a focus game, I had my mind blown away by Red Day Red Redemption 2 narrative. Yeah. That narrative blew my mind to shred. I was like, this is insane. Every moment that they were just talking was just great. And like, no, I'm sorry people that love Last of Us so much, but the first one doesn't

even come close, close to what Red Dead creates. Well, like it's, it's more unique because it's a much. It's a father-daughter story of this guy greeting his own father and getting a new family member. But like, God, shit, dude, the conversations between Arthur and fucking, the Arthur and Joel and Arthur and John conversation when they were on the bridge was beautiful. Every conversation in Red Dead 2 is amazing. The thing, I don't know if it's necessarily all that fair because, like, Red Dead Red Dead Redemption 2 is like watching an entire series. It's a novel. And, like, the last of us is more like a long movie.

you know, it doesn't feel like a show really I guess, but it's still a story It's still a story from a video game No, no, no, no, no, but what I'm saying is like It's all, there's a bunch of different things too Like cowboy stories aren't really all that common Fucking zombie stories are super common You know, there's all sorts of things

That kind of like lean into strengths and weaknesses for each title But I do think as far as like narrative goes I like the Last of Us one a lot I like the choice at the end I think it's like a interesting one It's one that actually The ending of The Last of Us is what justifies the game to me. Like, because throughout the whole game of the last was, I was like,

why am I doing this zombie shit again? I've seen this a million times. That was like around the time the Walking Dead was big too, so it was just like fucking really oversaturated with zombie shit. But then you had the choice at the end where it was like, oh, this is, this is something that I haven't seen, really, all that often in like this genre. And it's like interesting. Like the characters are well acted and they're well written. And it's like, okay, this is, this is really good. It's like a nicely paced story. It's good. Red Dead Red Dead Redemption 2 is long. And there are parts of it that like if somebody was like I'm not gonna sit through Red of Red of Redemption 2 I'd be like

yeah I totally get it I'm like you're missing out I'm like you're missing out but like yeah I guess I would say you're missing out on probably the best narrative in a video game but it's also like a fucking huge commitment I'm not gonna tell somebody that you know

I could say God of War would you would you say God of would you tell somebody that like if they didn't want to play God of War would you like I guess because God of War reminds me of Red or God of what reminds me of Last of Us a lot. Yeah. It definitely landed from the God of War.

God of War 2018 would not exist in the way that it does without The Last of Us for sure. Exactly. Very true. But what's fascinating about it is that God of War, I think, is genuinely better. Overall entirely. God of War, I think is better than the first one. I think it's better than this one. It does everything better.

Yeah. It, like, because combat is fun and it's like, there's like, there's an actual, like, I don't want to say there's an actual video game in it because, like, there is a video game in The Last of Us. Obviously, it's a fucking, it's like a stealth, like, you know, fuck around action, uh, uh, zombie game. Like, there's a video game there. But like, at the end of God of War, you're on this, like, you're doing this Metroidvania, essentially, where you're fighting all these bosses in like different orders and you, you're using like stats and like, there's, there's more of a emphasis on, like, more

video gamey tropes. Yeah. That kind of, just make it a better video. There's more video game mechanics built into the game. But also the narrative, I just think is like really, really good and interesting. And it's like, set in this like really fucking fascinating place where like mythologies are like mixing which is like just a cool idea in general that I'm kind of shocked hasn't really been and I loved crados in that way I hated crados in the first three games particularly three I didn't like him but at the end of four I was like I like this guy a lot like he's truly grown like he's grown as a person they did a really good they did a really good job in that game especially because nobody was expecting it yeah yeah it's well

he's like yeah he's so grown but and I like He's trying his best, but one thing that I really liked about the game, too, is that because you talk about, like, revenge is a plot. And he's trying to end the cycle, like, that it's much deeper than it lends itself, even the first three games, because it started with, it started with Zeus trying to, you know, thinking that, oh, my sons are going to portray me. So I'm going to try to, or it was the other way around. Kronos thought, like, oh, my son's going to betray me. I'm going to try to have him killed. And it doesn't happen. And so then it's like revenge against them.

And then the same thing happens with Cratos. And then so it's like another revenge plot. And then so there comes a balder. And he's like, I need to end this. But it just created like Balder's son to be like, I'm going to get revenge on this motherfucker. And it's just like it's kind of cool. It turned into a cycle. And then at the end of the game, there was a beautiful moment where like where Cratos is going to kill Balder.

And it creates like, like, stop. Dad, you remember you told me he's no longer a threat. And that was. A beautiful part. Just like that's how you stop the cycle with informing your child that the world can be different. If we just choose to make it different. The thing that's so good about God of War is that there's no character that makes a decision that you don't understand. Yes, that's true.

There's every single, and the same thing in Red Dead. Like, even the characters that you fucking hate, you know, like Micah. Fucking piece of shit. Like, you just, you understand. every single decision that a character makes, even if it's a dumb decision. It's a piece of shit. He's like, Mike is a piece of shit.

That's it. Well, it's just because, like, these characters are well-rounded. So even when they make a... When they make a decision, you could see that character making that mistake. In The Last of Us 2, Joel makes so many mistakes in just in the beginning

that I, as a novice, with no history of foul play, would ever do. And it's like, I just, I, I can't, the suspension of disbelief is too high where, like, I cannot really authentically believe that a character that is seen as much shit as Joel has, that has done as much shit as Joel has, would just willingly give his name out to anybody. And that, because that one decision is the main thing that kind of drives the game, it just sort of makes you feel all the time, like, even when you're in the middle of a good moment or when you're, enjoying what the narrative is doing, you can't help but be like, this is all happening

for the stupidest reason. Yeah. So all in all, all in all, the Star Tank podcast is very meh about the game at best, pretty much. Yeah.

Give it a ma'am to 10. Meh. I like it. I don't think it's as good as everybody says it is. I don't think it's that. I cannot in good faith put it below Andromeda

if it just makes no fucking sense to me. No. Yeah, there's a lot of shit that doesn't reflect what it should. Where would you, what would you rate Mass Effect Andromeda as a video game. Oh, God.

I know the 10 out of 10 scale is like just kind of stupid and arbitrary anyway. Just tell us how you feel about it. How about that? Oh, God, man, okay. Just make it quick. The only thing, the only two things that they got right, just real quick, is that the game is very pretty. There's a part when you're on like this asteroid that is still breathtaking.

I still, my God, this game could have been great, but it just so many problems. And then the combat, I think, was kind of perfected, in my opinion. They just took on the third one, and then they did extra things to what night. It felt very fluid. I'd like that. Other than that, everything else was fucking terrible. And Mass Effect is all about the RPG experience.

And just the dialogue, the dialogue tree, everything, everything was shit. So I can't give it, I'd probably have to give it like, it can't, three,

probably, because like a fucking three? Dude, it's, I can't, just good combat is not, like, I can have fun playing a lot of other games.

I can play a fucking meat shooter like, like, like, fucking Doom or something. And be like, wow, that was fantastic. And then the objective is very basic. Who gives this shit?

But, like, see, that's not what Mass Effect Andromeda is. Yeah. It's, I've, I can't, with all the problems that, like, say, three had or something like that, I can still go back and play. I can still, I can even play Mass Effect One, which is aged pretty horribly.

But it's still kind of fun. But Andromeda, I try to pick it up again, and I just, I don't like the characters, man. I don't, the characters don't do shit for me. And I feel, I guess that's kind of the same with The Last of Us. is that you talked about Red Dead Red Dead Redemption

and part two like Arthur Morgan is a brand new character everyone loves them and you could have written a character like Abby Abby could have been written so good that like fuck I really like Abby

like I'm really heavily invested in her and there's none of that there was none of that in Andromeda You know what could have been cool if Abby and Ellie met first and they had to help each other survive at first That would have been cool. That would have been cool.

There's an endless amount of ways to have made... Could you imagine they would have met each other? Like, let's say Abby, Ellie was out on the patrol, what was happening in the beginning, and then her and Abby ran into each other. And then they don't know exactly who each other are for a long time, and they fucking help each other survive for X, Y, and Z time.

And then, bam, you figure this out. Yeah. But I feel like... That would have been great. All right, before we get out of here, I feel like I need to justify my score for Enjomeda. It's because of high... It is very low, but I just want to say that

I'm judging it much more harshly just because I hold Biware up to a much higher standard And I feel like it's I feel like it's the same way That Anthony Fantano He gave Kendrick Lamar's damn a 7 But he also gave low pumps EP

Like a 7 as well And people are freaking out And I think it's for the same reason Where he's like well I expected Kinswick Lamar to bring it much more So he felt like it was a 7 And low pump is garbage And so he's just like

Yeah it's fine for garbage I agree Fantano gave damn a 7 And I was wondering why And I understood that rung true to me because I was just like Butterfly was such an unbelievable album. It was so good

that he's like how could he give it anything higher compared to Butterfly, yeah. Yeah, no. And even untitled. It's, it's, I understand. Like, fucking Destiny 1 was like a 7 out of 10 for Bungee. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If like, if like some random indie studio made Destiny 1, people be like, yo, what the fuck is this?

This is insane. That's who, how did this indie studio make this brilliant fucking Like even right now, I give, I, Honestly, D2 is the game I play more than any other game right now, and I'd still only give D2 a 10. I think by the time that that game is done. Wait, you'd only give, what do you mean? I'm sorry, I wouldn't give it a 10.

I wouldn't give D2 at best right now an 8. I think by the 10th of the game, by the time you can get Destiny 2 complete. It may be a 9 or a 10, but right now it's not. I love that game. Objectively, I think Destiny 2 is like, like a seven and a half or like an eight. Yeah.

But I would also like personally probably give it a 10, just because I play it so much and I... I love it. But that's kind of the thing. It's like there's all sorts of different things that you have to take into account. It's like your bias and like what you expect out of the developer and like how much of a fan you are of the series.

I could see somebody who's never played Mass Effect before like playing Andromeda and probably liking it. Probably giving it like a, I don't know, like a seven or like a six. I've actually seen that. I've seen some people like, I think you're giving it an unfair shot. I don't think I think the environments were pretty, Good. I really like the... Yeah. I really like the...

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and be like, okay, well, this is really missing the mark on a lot of key reasons why these games were popular in the first place. But, you know, just because something is a bad version of, if something is a bad game in a series, it doesn't necessarily make it a bad game. It just means it's like a bad representation of whatever it is that's on the box.

Yeah. And you know what we should do moving forward? We should probably automatically deduct a point to any game that has no Keith David in it. Abs of fucking Louie. I think so, yeah. If it doesn't have Keith David in it, is it really a 10? Like, come on.

If he doesn't say Malboza. Because here's the thing, there is no way. A 10 out of 10 means something is a masterpiece. Means that, like, you know, like there's obviously nothing's perfect. And obviously things are always going to be flawed. but if you can have a game and you could say like okay would putting Keith David in this make this better

the answer is always going to be yes so it can never be a 10 exactly can never be a 10 you can always so Mass Effect 2 Mass Effect 2 10 out of 10 8 oh my Mass Effect 2 is 10 out of 10 yep Every St. Row Every yeah all of them even the bad ones are 10 fucking mortal comment

With the DLC? HALA 2 and 3 are 20s. Just because there's so much, Keith, David. What else is you? Spawn the show. 10 out of 10 video game. The show. The show, the 10 to 10 video game.

Mortal Kombat 11 is now a 10 because of spawn. It's now a 10. Good job, guys. We're getting rowdy here. I hate clowns. Malbosia. I hate clowns. They're rough.

They're coarse and they get everywhere. Yo, Keith Davidson. Yo, Keith David, just please. Just contact us. Please. No, let's not make this another key. Just please. No, no, you guys don't get it.

I need to know him. I would love that so much. Dude, I just watched a panel of him and Master Chief. It's because. I watched a 20-minute interview with him, bro. What's a panel of him and Master Chief? Is a panel with him in Master Chief? Yeah, yeah.

I forgot what Conner was at, but it was not like. It wasn't a major one, but he was at some con, and then they were just doing some Q&A. And it was just great. It's lovely. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's a beautiful thing. I'm all in my feelings now, man.

I'm just thinking about Keith David, and how much I just want to meet that, man. I think we will. I think this will be our... I think if we keep up this, if we keep up this steam of just like, hey, Keith David, you know, just contact us.

Can we make it through a single podcast without mentioning him once? I don't think so. I think we're fucked at this point. Well, think of it like this. Think of it like this. Both of us, both groups, all of us have a game where Keith David, it's a central part of it. And we care about them.

So, like, Halo, my favorite character from pretty much video games is Arbiter. Your favorite game is Halo. Derek's favorite game is Max Effect. Who is the binding factor in all those games? Keith Dave. Keith, motherfucking David. I would say sci-fi, but, like, I guess Keith David also. Yeah.

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I want every name to be Keith David next time. Please. Every single, just for a joke. Okay, just for this once. I just want to be able to read an entire list of dedicated Keith Davids. Yes. Because I will read all of them. Like, I am I going to chicken out and just say Keith David a bunch and just assume that I've gotten all of them?

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I'm not reading him. So you better get your shit together. How about, how about, okay, I like that, but maybe, maybe, maybe. Only read the Keith David. Only read the Keith David. I like it. Yeah, we're done playing with you guys, man.

We want to be key, David, all right? I gave you specific demands. Ample fucking warning. But seriously, obviously, this is getting longer again, so there will likely be a change to what this tier is in the future, probably in the next, probably not in the next episode, but in the episode after, there will probably be a shift. So keep that in mind, I suppose.

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