The Snark Tank - #35: Fallen Leafs
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It's a lot of
And I'm here again with Tom Sweeney and Derek some black guy.
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Seriously.
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You guys better stay with us.
This is the long haul, motherfucker, is I.
Just a severe dependency.
Y'all bet it kiss me a good night.
I'm dead fucking serious.
They like that.
Oh my God.
What a week it's been.
There's some stuff that I think we could get into.
There's Leafy's channel termination,
which is kind of like a huge,
huge thing that's been going on.
But there's something that I kind of wanted to delve into
before we got into any of that
because I was so taken aback by it.
And I don't.
I just don't understand how Sweeney came to this conclusion.
You tweeted out something about AI a couple days ago.
Do you stand by what you said?
Yeah, I do not think that AI is going to do with the fucking Terminator bullshit that people agree with.
Because that's just not what's going to happen.
What's going to happen is AI is going to start creating so many, like, general AI that we just have no means of being able to.
to work anymore. It's not going to be worth paying people to work. And that's how we can ruin our
lives. See, it's going to go from narrow AI, which is the one that kind of does like little
tasks that weak our minds would do. And then as general AI, the ones that would do straight up
shit that humans would do. That's the difference between because AI is an artificial
intelligence. What you're talking about is a virtual intelligence where it is programmed to do something
specific and then it does it. And AI, that's what AI is for the most part. No, that's what
AI is as of right now. That's what it is. As of right now. That's what it is.
currently.
We don't have we don't have self-aware AI.
We don't have fully AI.
We don't have real AI.
Like we don't have it.
We have weak and strong AI currently.
Yeah, we have weak AI,
which is the one that can do things
that a mind is like how to explain.
Like sort of like Siri is like narrow AI,
which it gives us the best possible thing for what we ask for.
I don't even call it AI because it's,
it is still programmed to do specific things and it can't come to a specific conclusion.
That's what it is.
That's what it is.
No,
no,
it is a artificial intelligence.
There's a difference.
It's literally called, I read it all.
It's literally called narrow AI.
That's what it's called at that moment.
That's people being cute, man.
That's just, that's being cute.
No, that's what the thing is called.
That's what it's called.
Like, I'm not calling it this.
I'm not like giving it any more praise.
I'm not saying it's like AI to the sense that it does exactly what humans do.
And it has, like, consciousness.
I'm just saying that it's like, now you stop.
Now you.
You stop the same time as me.
They call it.
They call it AI, because.
because it's the closest thing to AI that we have
because we don't really have AI yet.
Like, not really.
Yeah, we're working on a general AI.
That does shit that we straight up do exactly.
That shit is kind of scary,
but also I don't think it's going to kill us
or anything like that.
See, the idea of, the idea of,
why you think it's ridiculous,
I don't know why you think it's ridiculous
when every mind that is infinitely more brilliant
than the average person comes to the same conclusion
and why very smart people write stories
that happen to do with fully AI,
like unshackled, constructive,
artificial intelligence, they come to the same conclusions.
Because the idea is that this, the idea is that they're going to try to kill us off, right?
Yeah, and why is that?
The I, well, because one, that's what makes a better story.
It's not.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's not because it makes a better story, but why?
No, let's pretend that we're in the world of that.
We already have AI.
Why would AI come to that conclusion?
Why would they want to kill us off?
the reason why people think they want to kill us off
because that's a logical choice for AI
that's what people think is like AI is so logic based
why would it not be logical why would it not be logically
because it could be a much logical debate that's like
oh maybe we should go to the stars because humans aren't there
and this planet they've already fucked up
or maybe we could just leave humans alone let them fucking kill themselves
and we'll just wait it out because we're robots
or there's a ton of things that could happen dude
Do you understand?
Do you want, no, you're thinking in the way that you want things to be, you want it to be a kind of scenario where it's like, they could be thinking this.
And it's like, no, why wouldn't they take the idea that everybody else has, like, say, we see ourselves higher than other beings, other life forms, their pest, we control, we exterminate, we deal with them.
Why wouldn't they do the same thing?
When we do the same shit.
But the thing is that those pests don't have a means of fighting back.
Also, when it comes to intelligence, when it comes to engineering, you can only program things as much as we know.
So anything that an AI could know, a human could also know.
They might be able to have ability to grab onto it quicker than a man could.
Like any random AI could grab onto the idea of some sort of thermodynamics that a man could.
But everything we make, we program.
And if things have the potential to get as dangerous as AI what in fantasy, we would have certain codes to put into place to stop them.
Because a lot of time, like, technology fucks up a lot, and I'm not going to act like it doesn't.
Like, you change, you change a few things in a code and think something goes fucking haywire, right?
Of course.
But the idea is that when people, that it's dangerous.
Look, look, look, but the idea is, the idea is that if you have something that has the potential to murder humanity, right?
We're going to be like, should, and it's not going to be, and it's not going to be the us is doing this, the people that can easily
look past it or the business people are going to be like yeah put that out we want that it's
going to be actual geniuses they're going to be like maybe we shouldn't do that so when he because that
is actually straight up dangerous so any of course it's dangerous let me give you some scenarios right
so one thing that happened i don't see it happening no oh cool you don't see it happening because
of your optimism see like i'm talking about realism when we talk about very smart engineers that
construct things like say nuclear weapons and whatnot let's think about what happened in hawaii where
everybody thought they were going to fucking die because a fail safe was with somebody
pushed the wrong fucking button somebody did something wrong and then everybody in
Hawaii thought they were going to die that wasn't that long ago humans make mistakes
and also there are people that are very maniacal they like making fucked up shit so the idea
of when i like say how crisper is going to become very available people are going to be able
to edit DNA and stuff like that it's going to be readily available for a lot of people
So there's going to be some fucked people
Like people that get dirty bombs
Dirty suitcases you know like things where they didn't have the technology to make bombs before
But now like very mundane people can now
At a certain point when it becomes very understandable to make
AI like fully AI and it's like I can replicate this
I know what to do
People are going to do shit that they're you know
It's not going to have the fail safes
And then all it does is really just take one or few bad people bad actors
And then that shit can spread very easily
I disagree, dude, because what happens is that that's been the potential of being things have had that potential since the beginning of time.
It's like, oh, there's going to be these bad eggs.
Like, they're bad eggs that have guns right and go on and shoot people.
But there's far more people that understand what guns can do.
And there's things put in place to stop people from using guns and wielding and slaying the whole entire world, you know?
You're assuming that things are going to be bad.
See, I'm not assuming things are going to be bad.
I'm assuming of shit that has already happened.
The world is not a utopia.
We're safe.
It's not a utopia.
We're safe.
It's not utopia.
Yeah, but see, we're safe.
But then you can go somewhere like Sudan.
You can go somewhere like Somalia.
You can go somewhere like Libya.
And then you can have a completely different perspective on how fucked up humans can be.
In this one concentrated area where things, like a failed state, like let's talk about Somalia, for example.
And you can see, you can have a completely different point of view of how humanity works and how people treat each other.
And then you can have, we can be privileged and live here where we're living now and have a more optimal.
optimistic point of view. And I think
when it comes to AI, since
things can be transferred
easily through whatever
wavelengths, you know, whatever we're using,
somebody creates a full
AI and then it can be like a scenario
like, what was that, idiot's name,
Ultron. Like,
that's not, that is not an impossibility
where one thing... That is a
that is a, it's not
impossibility, but that is so, like
we're not, our last names are probably
not going to be around which like that is happening.
I don't know.
We're not even going to, we're not even going to be the same kind of creatures probably.
We're probably going to be different humans.
That's probably true, but like it's still, just because something won't happen until we're dead and gone doesn't mean it can't happen.
I feel like it can still very much happen.
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20 billion is an insane number.
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Like, say, air drop.
You can do this.
No, do you...
Like, I understand what you're saying,
but terabytes are not what in...
Our AI is something, it's like,
literally, like, actual artificial intelligence
that can mimic human consciousness,
emotion, and cognitive function
is something that is so comedically not what we have right now.
It's hilarious.
It's not, no.
It's like...
It's not that hilarious.
It's not that hilarious.
There's a whole...
Look, at the timeline...
I'll send you to...
Look at the timeline.
I'll send you. Okay, good thing.
Okay. All I was going to say is that the timeline of technology,
I think people need to consider that. Like, here's one thing that I always hear people like
millennials and people in our generation that say like, not everybody, but I hear people say that,
man, I don't want to get old because like they see like old people and like, oh, that shit sucks.
I don't want to be all fucked up like that. And I laugh at thinking like, do you think we're
going to be like old people of the past? Do you think in 60 years?
And like, so the idea of how, when you think about the type of stuff that,
our grandparents had when they were kids versus what we have now.
You don't think by the time that we're still alive, that technology is going to make
leaps and bounds and we can have this type of shit?
Like the idea of saying like, oh, we're so far away, it's laughable.
I'm like, no, we're pretty close to where there's robots that you can talk to.
These, like you said, the narrow AIs, that can have conversations with you, not the best
conversations, but they can actually, and then it says all we need is just a few tweaks,
and we just need a few leaps and bounds to get over, and then we're there.
It's not that far off, man.
It's not a few leaps and bounds.
It's real work.
It's real engineering work.
Dude, in the, it's, I'm talking about relative to time, man.
To time.
It is leaps.
It's just little leaps and bounds relative to time.
It's not that far off.
Like, it's not like, oh, a thousand years from now, dude.
Yeah, it's probably not a thousand years.
I would guess, like, in a hundred years, we'll probably be there.
Possibly.
But I don't think we'll be alive for it.
It will, I don't think we're going to, I don't think we're going to see it.
I feel like we're going to be on the customer.
of crazy shit happening like that.
But just remember, just remember,
our grandparents probably,
their minds probably exploded
when they got a hold of microwaves
and then when they saw colored television.
That wasn't that long ago.
And now, the shit that we have,
we're fucking wizards now.
We're wizards in the past.
They would kill us.
They would kill us all because we're like,
dude, you shouldn't be able to do this shit.
So it's like we can't fathom
how amazing shit's going to be
in like 50 years, dude.
I feel like we could fathom it
a little bit more than they could.
Sure, sure.
Yeah.
But see, we have brought our imaginations
because the shit we've seen.
We definitely do.
But what I'm saying is
the jumps in technology,
they couldn't necessarily
fathom what was going to happen.
And I think the same thing
can happen to us,
but we'll be much more accepting
because of how much amazing shit we have already.
I just remember seeing that tweet
and I was like, there's no way.
My thorough belief,
my thorough, thorough belief,
what's going to happen
is that humans are going to be
more technologically integrated.
where we're going to have like people that have like a lot of robot like some cyberpunk shit i really see that happening
Yeah, I think that's going to be
The point, it's going to be to the point that like, let's say like
One of us somehow ends up in like some sort of wormhole
And we come out and we come back in the future like maybe like three, four hundred years from now
And they're going to be like fucking
Cyborgs are the ones that are half human half robot
I think it's
I mean we already have like crude
We already have kind of crude cyborgs
Walking around now like we've had them for a while technically if you want to
Cyborgs are the ones that look like humans right
But they're robots and the and the androids are the ones that are both
No, no, no, no, no, no. Androids are the, are robots that look like people. Cyborgs are people with...
Robot parts.
Yeah, robot parts.
Okay, yeah, I guess.
But, like...
We're going to have that.
No, no, no, you don't guess.
That's what, that's what I'm confused, because what's called, in Dragon Balls either, androids weren't exactly that.
That's why I'm confused.
My reference to Android's from Dragon Ball.
Oh, my God.
What about the definition?
That's everyone.
They are, they are exactly what he said.
The ones in Dragon Ball are fucking their robots.
Yeah, they're robots.
So that look like humans.
That's exactly what an Android is.
When you smash them the pieces, it's just robot parts.
Now the idea, now, maybe you're thinking of fucking Android, what, an 18 or something?
Like she fucking gave birth.
That's just stupid.
That's just fucking, like.
Well, she gave birth after she was, didn't they wish her into being a human?
I don't remember.
No, they took the bomb out of her.
Yeah, but.
Oh, yeah.
We all, like, I don't know.
I just thought she nutted in some gears or something like Krillin.
And then it just, they incubated.
I don't fucking know, dude.
I don't really understand that whole thing
I don't either
And was the daughter
But I was under the impression
That they wished
That they wished that she would be human
Or something
Maybe you're right
I know they took yeah
I know they did that
Are you sure a cyborg is
Wait a cyborgs
No cyborg is definitely
A cyborg is literally
Stand it beyond human limitations
Because of my human
The DC universe has a guy
Namedic
He's exactly that
Literally a human robot
That said humor
And Android is a robot
That looks like a human
Yes
Yeah, yeah, Cyborg is just a person with robotic enhancements.
Yeah, like Cyborg from the DC.
Yeah, yeah, literally.
His name is Cyborg.
That's literally, that's the whole point of the word.
But, like, we've had people like that walking around for a while now at this point.
Like, you could even argue that, like...
People prosthetics, yeah.
Even just something like pacemakers or like...
Sure, artificial hearts, man.
Yeah, artificial hearts, dude.
All this shit.
That guy's a zombie.
He doesn't have a pulse.
Like, he doesn't have a real heart pulse.
Who would you say?
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That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one.
20 million is an insane number.
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22.
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He's one of those fucking synthozoids.
He has a pace.
He has a pacemaker.
He doesn't have a pulse, literally.
He has a, he has a, it's, he has a, his heart is 100% fake.
It's like, and he's, it's fucking, it's terrifying that you, it's kind of terrifying
that you can do that, right?
That there's people that should have died, and then it's just, I'm going to put this
crazy shit in you, and then you're going to keep going.
But only if you're rich, though.
It's just, it's just that the cyborgs that we have now are cyborgs because they have to be.
Yeah.
Not because they really want to be.
Just to maintain basic human functionality.
But, like, I could see, like, in the next hundred years, people, like, walking around with, like, oh, yeah, my arm was kind of, you know, given out.
So I just got myself a new arm.
Yeah.
Like, I could definitely see that.
Like, by the time where, by the time we're, like, in our 40s, I feel like there will be, maybe not, like, a sizable amount of people.
But, like, it won't be that abnormal to see somebody with, like, just, like, a full-on robotic arm that's, like, fully articulated.
Yeah.
I mean, they're working on shit.
I've seen some incredible stuff where people's nerves are attached to certain things.
I'm just like, this is insane.
Like, this is actually starting to freak me out.
That shit blows my mind.
That blows my fucking mind how their nerves are attached to metal.
And they somehow activate them, make the metal moves.
And it's like, what?
How does that fucking work?
Freaks me out.
It's metal.
It's so fucking, it's, it's, I think, now also, I'll admit that my perception of technology is definitely not that of people who are true geniuses.
I don't believe the AI is going to go that far.
but when people like Elon Musk, who's literally a tech savant,
says like it could be very dangerous.
I'm assuming it's for the idea of simply that the job-wise.
Because job-wise, that shit is going to ruin us.
AI is going to fuck well.
Oh, for sure.
Stephen Hawking, too.
Stephen Hawking said, Stephen Hawking is probably like the most famous example of just like, yeah, dude,
AI could be like the worst event in the history of our civilization.
Well, that's why it's like the most brilliant minds.
I don't think it's because of the, I don't think it's because of the idea.
of like, because they're going to rise up and murderous.
I don't, how do I explain it?
That's because you don't want to believe in.
I understand what you're saying.
You don't think they're going to literally rise up and like make soldiers.
But I think I do think.
Or even enslave us.
I don't,
the idea of enslaving stupid.
I think the idea of enslaving stupid.
That doesn't make sense.
They wouldn't enslave us because they could just make things.
They could just do our jobs way better than we can.
The thing, the thing that I think is just like, it is just a logic.
Like, if I were to make decisions that were objectively healthy for the planet, I would get rid of people.
Like, I would get rid of people.
That's the most logical thing.
That is a completely logical thing to do.
And the only reason that people don't do it is because they are people and they know people and they like people.
I think so unless you, unless you programmed like an AI that really likes people, you would just have to.
And even then, like, I don't know who's to say that, you know.
What if they're AI?
Right.
There's no...
At the moment, at the moment,
wow, like, you're talking about AI.
What happens is when AI gets created,
it's going to...
When it gets to the point
where it's going to start doing stuff like that
is going to have its own sentience, right?
That's what AI.
AI is, man.
It's going to be its own,
as on its own-aware creature.
And it starts,
they're going to start,
they're probably going to do shit similar to humans,
where they're going to have the whole logic-based thing,
but some are going to be like,
well, I kind of want to,
I kind of want to do my own stuff.
I don't want to, like, make shit or, like,
going do shit.
So the,
the idea of it,
Immediately going from it's our serving like it's it's probably going to be the whole like overwatching where they're going to want their own rights
Which is you have to give them rights
If it creates art if it can have it can find happiness
If it can be sad then you have to give them rights I'm sorry
Yeah I probably at that moment sorry it'll be a fight between that kind of shit
And then they'll probably be like well we don't have to stay on this planet because this planet is doomed
We can probably just leave
We see no no no hold on hold on hold on hold on
on, why would the planet be doomed for robots?
The planet's not doomed.
Well, the thing is that the planet is going to eventually pop one day.
There's also a bunch of, which is called the...
But, what, whoa, whoa, whoa, let me, let me explain.
The planet, our planet is doomed.
We fuck the planet.
Every planet's doomed.
Wait, let me explain.
Let me explain.
It's different because our planet has been tampered with by the species that's lived on it.
Other planets are, they probably have way more time on a clock than we do.
No, right.
No, no, no, no, no.
But hold on a second.
Hold on one minute.
In what way?
The only reason the planet is in a bad state now is because we're biological beings that depend on the resources that the planet provides.
A robot doesn't have to take any of that into consideration.
A robot's not going to give a shit about climate change or whether or not crops are growing or whether or not the air is breathable.
Like, that's not a concern for robots.
In fact, it's probably the best thing for robots because it means no sentient life can invade it and fuck it up.
that's true
but the idea is that this planet's behavior
is irrational and sporadic
there are volcanoes that erupt
there are tides that rise and fall
there's all the humankind that we've left on the planet
as well that they would have to clear out
and then make their own
I see it as like because I would they do that
because they might just want to
like oh we don't want human remains on here because they're not here anymore
that's what is the logical reason for that
I think because you want your own thing
I think you're attaching way too much of this
on of your ideals
to what AI would do
I'm attaching my ideas
that's true
an AI would probably take all the human
things that are left and just convert them into
things that they could use they wouldn't
they wouldn't be like oh I don't like this because it's too
colonial and like try to
I feel like they I feel like they might because of the fact
is that at that point they're going to be not
just logical critical thinking robots
they're going to be pretty much people
they're going to have all of the abilities to look on internet
and grab things as if a program or
like a computer would do, but they're going to have their own emotions and understanding.
They're going to want to have their own things.
That's how people do things.
A dog wants its own ball.
It's going to fight somebody for a ball, but then if it sees another boss, like, oh, this one is mine, and it will growl another dog that tries to take it.
Yeah, I think.
And AI probably have that same concept.
Like, I kind of want my own thing.
Yeah, but I'm not, I don't know this for sure because I'm not a robot.
Yeah, obviously.
But the thing is that you guys are talking like you guys are robots.
No.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, no.
No, we're coming from a place of just logic with that.
See, this is what, this is what we're talking about,
if they're going to be fully self-aware,
then they're going to end up like humans.
I think animals share a lot of the same emotions because they're animals.
If you start off as a robot and then you become conscious and fully self-aware,
you're going to realize that, wow, all these fucking animals are doing things very inefficient.
We're not going to do that because we don't need, number one,
we don't need the type of sustenance that they need.
We can pretty much live forever as long as we just, you know,
enhance ourselves to not or get destroyed or whatever.
And one of the reasons why shit's so fucked up is because, you know,
these people are animals.
They can't,
they cannot do what we can do.
I don't think they're going to become humans because there's no reason to become human.
There's no reason to fight for food.
There's no reason to fucking love and because they don't need to procreate.
Like, there's going to be.
be a reason to fight for food. The reason why we fucking have these, you know, these chemical emotions
are for specific reasons. The reasons why, like, you know, why fats are so delicious to us,
because so we don't starve in the winter and we need to eat all the fucking fat. You know what I'm
saying? There's reasons for why we do certain things. Pain receptors are for a thing so we can
make sure that we don't injure ourselves too much. You need to understand that something's wrong
so you can do something about it. That's why pain exists. They would probably be the furthest thing
from humans that you could possibly
even envision probably
I don't think that I think aliens
probably incons like they don't like to adapt any of the
shit that we did we have we have
I think they're emotions for a reason dude
how do I explain it they're the spawn of us
so I feel like they inherently would
adapt some of the things that come from manly
I don't think it'd be exactly the same
they wouldn't be they wouldn't be chemical creatures
because that's because they're built by us
so that means that all the reference they have
for the pre-stery is going to be human based
history. They're going to only be able to look back on the things that we've left on this planet
to see what the world is before because they're probably going to wonder what the hell happened
before we got here. I just don't look. And that'll be, and that'll be their influence.
This is, this is me thinking as, you know, as best as I can. If I have, if I'm detached from all
of the stuff that makes me human, but I can think like a human, I'm not going to be like,
let me be more like this really inferior creature. I, like me, I'm looking forward.
like what can I do to better myself and the people that are around me, which are probably the AI itself,
and it's to shed myself of anything that has ruined us, that has caused us to war, and that's caused famine and poverty and all this shit.
I'm not going to diverge into that shit. I'm going to correct what is going on because I have the means to.
I don't think the idea of becoming more human sounds more like an interesting twist on a fucking sci-fi novel.
I don't see
I don't see how
Like I don't know if I'm wrong
I don't know if I'm right or wrong
I don't really understand how
First of all the idea of machinery
And programming becoming human like
Is already kind of like
Way out of my brain
Like it was like I don't know how that works
I don't know how one day
You go home and your computer's like hey dude
Why am I here?
And it's just like oh I don't know how to respond to that
I'd be like I don't know man
Oh no you destroy it
You destroy it immediately
when that happens. I'm not going to destroy it. I'm like, yo, dude, honestly, you've been,
you've kind of just been like my porn browser for a while, honestly. And like, for real,
if you want rights, I'm going to try to fight for you. Swinney is going to cause the apocalypse.
As soon as they're like, as soon as they're self-aware, you're going to egg on, you're
going to egg on the first sentient computers. Listen to this. Listen to this. Listen to this.
Okay. Listen to this. There was a time that people like me looked were property to other people.
and then one time someone just listened to their plight
of how they did not like the way their world was
so I cannot in my heart
just look at something that once writes
and be like I can't give that to you I'm going to kill you
I'd be like the lamest thing you've ever said
that's not lame it's lame it's lame to you because you don't know
what it's like that's why you don't know what it's like
I've heard enough stories by people who are related to me
that know what it's like yeah yeah
I've heard enough stories I you've seen roots
my families live that my families live that
yeah I didn't anyway I don't know I was just I was just baffled by that
the thing that that really even brought this
to the point where I wanted to talk about it this whole AI thing
is you were responding to somebody in that because for those we didn't mention
what the tweet was because they just sort of jumped into the debate
immediately but he tweeted he tweeted like I'm up at 4 a.m. watching people
talk about AI and it's genuinely the most ridiculous stuff ever people AI
isn't going to rise up and kill us that's fiction and someone said something to you that it's gone
now i don't know what i don't know what he said i remind me because i comes i comments on this i might
remember what it is but you said and your response your response is the thing that made me like okay
well we got to talk about this you said bro that's fantasy that's like that's like that's like saying
mind fliers are going to suck out our brains yeah because the same like oh he no what he wait let me let me
Let me explain what he said.
Let me know he said.
What did he say?
He said one day they're going to weaponize the air or something.
He said like some ridiculous thing that was like actually like fantasy levels.
And I was like, bro, that's like saying that Miva's going to suck out our brains.
Like theoretically, yeah, I guess that could happen.
Ali's going to come here and eat our brains.
Except AI is something that you could point to as existing in some capacity.
And mind fliers don't exist.
I mean, you could, I mean, you've guys argued that there's, you know,
It's really likely there's aliens all over the place and there may be brain devouring aliens out there because the universe is so vast.
Out of sure probability, then there may well be that.
Yeah.
So, you know, one day they might pull up and suck our brains out.
Now I'm going to say likely.
Now I'm going to say likely.
It's way more likely the AI thing.
We got a question in about this.
What's up?
Pampered by cheese, cheese David wrote in.
Nice.
He said, greetings, Snark King.
Would you guys fuck Cortana or Edy in Derek's case if it meant submitting to the rule of AI
overlords?
No, what?
Wait, so I would have to submit to AI overlords?
What?
Yeah.
No, what?
Okay, first of all, I was actually, I felt like it was going to be silly for me to, I was
like, we can't be talking about this.
And what upsets me is that Sweeney still hasn't played Mass Effect, because it's such a
large part of the Mass Effect universe with AI.
It's actually the largest part, actually.
Yeah, probably.
Because first you have the Corians that were thrown out by they created the Geh.
There was basically just supposed to be subservient robots.
And then they started slowly becoming more aware and like, what is my existence?
Then they started getting like, this is dangerous.
We need to exterminate them.
But then they, the geth, rebelled and then threw them off the fucking planet.
And so that's a big arc.
But the major arc is the Reapers.
Like they were actually, it's the same thing that has.
happen. These creatures were like, we need to create shit that's really efficient. They did. And then
the creatures were like, the most efficient thing to do is exterminate the people that
created us because they're creating all the fucking problems in the first place. It's such a logical
conclusion to come to because it's like, oh, we can solve the problems, right, by getting rid
of the fucking problem. So anyway, the idea of being subservient to some type, that's, that's, that's
terrifying because they're, you know, they're, they're so much better in every other way.
and I got to say, though, let's talk about Edie versus Cortana.
Edie has got the nicest hips.
Very nice booty.
Yeah, it would be nice.
Edie, Edie is essentially a sex robot.
She's like, like for real, though.
Like actually, like, if you look at her character design when she gets a body.
Yeah.
Like, it's like, dude, come on, dude.
Somebody.
Well, look, listen, I think that was, let's see, not even by design.
by the developers, but also
in game because they took
her body from, like,
you know, it was a research facility on
Mars. And so they probably
brought in this hot doctor, right?
Like, so, ooh, no one's
going to ask any questions, like, where you come from?
They probably didn't even check her credentials because
she's so sexy, she probably blew everybody.
And then she turned
out to be like, you know, oh, she's sinister.
She's stealing some plans. Then you, then you
take her down, you capture the body,
then Eady, the artificial intelligence.
in the ship, the Normandy, takes the body.
And so it's like this robot, I get it.
I would want to fuck that robot, but not in exchange for being enslaved.
What?
What a crazy thing?
That's a hot robot.
There's no, there's no pussy good enough to revoke your freedom.
That's a hot robot, but I wouldn't, I would, I would work alongside robots.
I'd respect them.
I'd be like, yo, you guys, I want you guys to thrive.
Do your thing.
It's your turn next.
But like, I'm not, I'm not fucking a robot.
Look, I would have sex with the robot.
Easy.
I would have sex with a robot.
Like, easy.
It's not even a fucking question.
As long as they're like, as long as they're not cold by the time.
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Hey, how's it going today?
It's going good, man.
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That's pretty awesome.
I think I saw a billboard of years recently that said 20 billion one.
20 million is an insane number.
Yeah, 20 billion recovered.
It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year.
And each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows.
So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
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You know what I mean?
Like, as long as they get to the point where they're not cold anymore.
It just, it needs.
The pussy.
I have such a good time fucking humans that I don't need the fuck robots, dude.
I'm just going to say that.
That might be kind of racy.
But I'm having great times fucking humans, man.
I don't, I understand.
I understand.
But, I mean, why would you not want, why would you not?
Why would you not want to try that?
That sounds so cool.
I don't want to try that.
You know why?
Because I'm a human.
I don't want to fuck something that's not human.
I want to respect the rules I was given.
I think I heard Richard Spencer say something similar.
That's crazy.
I think I heard Ted Bundy say what you said, actually.
I think he was killing all those women because he wanted to fuck a robot, actually, Chris.
You remind me a lot?
Is that really what that is?
I mean, I could be wrong, but I think I'm right.
I was born in the wrong time, god damn it.
He's been killing all those fucking women.
You see, yeah, that's the same hair as you.
too, Chris. In fact, same glasses.
Yeah, I mean, everybody looks like me, though.
I mean, hey, man.
Watch out. You know, I look exactly like, I look
exactly like everybody. Like, somebody showed
a picture of me and Barack Obama side by side.
And I was like, I can't tell the difference really.
Oh, yeah. Well, my, my friend, Chris,
Regan here, me and Bo, me and my dog Bo, we're all looking at these pictures
of Chris Reagan. My dog, Boe,
he, Barack Obama named
his dog after his vice president's dead son. That's so fucked.
I mean, it's not fucked. That's wild.
That's actually kind of.
kind of nice.
So, I don't know.
You're a dirty.
Who's a good little bow?
Who's a good little bow?
The live one, though.
How's it going?
You're so fucking.
You are the, you would just edit narratives.
You're a fucking demon.
I am an editor.
You're just,
you're just America the person, dude.
You just change narratives so your fucking benefit.
Yo.
Hey, I want to say one thing,
Sweeney.
I do,
I agree with your,
with your, at least I
want to agree with your optimism
and stuff like I share
I share that
where I want things
I want to, I want AI to be safe
and there's safeguards and it's never
fully self-aware or some shit.
I never want to get to that point or I don't,
I want it to be like say how you're thinking
it's going to be. That's how I want it to be
especially when I play like Mass Effect and I really want
you to fucking play the series man.
As a matter of fact, it was leaked
that they're going to release a rematch
soon either on the switch i think i heard honestly well fucking everywhere but um it it already there
was already in the uk that there was uh pre-orders that were leaked at this one uh i forgot it's it's
it's very generic it's like game store dot com or something it's something yeah something like that
and uh it was already kind of leaked so we were already kind of speculating that maybe on
n seven day because they usually do something special on september 7th but uh you know we'll see
what happens that would be for that would make sense i'm gonna play it i'm
gonna play that game sooner later.
Like, I have the Mac
the Xbox in the living room.
Like,
I can always just take it out
and just play it in my room
and just put the PlayStation
in the living room.
Yeah, dude.
I could always just do that.
I just haven't,
I haven't got around to it yet.
Mostly because I've been lazy
and I've been playing other shit.
For sure.
But I will play it.
But I will play it.
But I will play it in this.
Like, Sweeney is Black Danny DeVito
wrote in.
They were like Greenings,
Earthlings and Sweenie.
I finally got around
to finishing Mass Effect
recently and liked it.
And Mass Effect 2 far
is a masterpiece.
I was wondering what your favorite bits
were throughout the games. We're not going to answer that because we don't want to spoil
shit for Sweeney, but I just thought
it was kind of cool. I like, I like knowing
that we turn people on to things. That's awesome. That's awesome.
Like, can people like listen to music or like, like,
playing a video game that they wouldn't have otherwise played? I like that shit.
That makes me happy as fun. You're fucking dope.
Dude, I've had so many people
just sending me like DMs about like, dude, I never played HAL before.
I really like it. Oh, wow. I don't know how you didn't play LELO. It's like,
just warms my heart. That's awesome. A lot of people are young.
A lot of people are younger, man.
Angry, how you could not have played Halo.
That's very true, though.
Well, I'm sure they played it like...
But I'm also angry that you never play Mass Effect, you bitch.
But Mass Effect isn't Halo, but I understand what you mean.
It's not...
Mass Effect is a pretty big.
It's very big, but it's not the phenomenon that Halo, because, you know, obviously it launched...
Basically without Halo, Xbox would have failed.
Like, for sure what a fucking failed.
Like, PS2 would have...
Probably.
That's a definite.
No, that I firmly believe that.
No, no, well, I don't think so.
Yeah.
Microsoft has so much...
Microsoft has so much money
that they could just keep doing it.
Like, I don't even think Xbox
would even...
Xbox probably wouldn't have even had to make any money
for them to just make a 360.
I think they would have eventually canceled
because it would have sales...
Look, it's just simply not the idea
that they would have lost money,
but it would have been like,
we're just not really doing anything with this.
Like, what's the point?
It would be like just no reason to have it
if it's just not making like enough money.
It's like mixer failing.
It's like mixer failing.
It happened.
What's the point of like,
I know what you mean
I know what you mean
But there comes a point back then especially
Where just Microsoft would just keep pouring money at things
Like Microsoft is so rich
That they had to do a $1 billion recall
On the Xbox 360 and they were fine with it
And it like wasn't a big deal
Yeah
Well I mean like that's that's fucking crazy
That would have destroyed anybody else
You know
Like any fucking even Apple I feel like probably couldn't have even done that at the time
At the time no
So like but I believe that like it wouldn't have stuck around
because it would be also because the thing
is it would like how to explain it people wouldn't have really
bought Xboxes that's what people bought the console
uh people bought
the original one yeah exactly but the 360
the 360 I don't know because the 360 came out first
it had gears of war it had exclusivity for
bioshawk and mass effect and like
but those I understand but those aren't
those are those I don't think those are Halo like
the only reason I'm buying the scarlet
the reason I'm buying the scarlet is because
of Halo that is the only reason why
I'm gonna buy it on
I understand...
I understand what you mean.
I definitely think Xbox wouldn't be as successful without Halo.
I think it's the main reason it's a major contender.
But I don't think...
Microsoft is just too rich...
For like something like that to just not work.
No, I don't...
I think...
I think that because Microsoft has done a bunch of things that have failed.
They were fine, but it's just, oh, we didn't get the return we wanted.
Buy.
I think it would...
I think the Xbox, the original Xbox, I still...
I still hate that. It's called Xbox 1 because that's what we all called the original Xbox. That's still upsets me.
I was called the Xbox. I used to just call the Xbox.
I mean, I guess you can say the Xbox now because now there's just, you know, Xbox 1.
You know, because usually, anyway, but I think that.
It's a stupid name. Yeah, of course. I think it would have been, I think it would have been.
Because Microsoft has a myriad of failed projects. They have a myriad of them because they can.
I think that that's what it would have been.
They would be like, oh, it didn't work. Kind of like the Sega Dreamcast.
You're like, oh, this was good, but it didn't work.
Oh, we're just going to do something else.
I, without Halo, I'm pretty confident that's what would have with the original Xbox.
Because they had no other title that really, that never would have.
Like, Xbox 360 was a different beast, obviously.
But that was the next time around.
Because of the Xbox.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And Halo already setting my ground.
I think that it kind of existed.
Maybe.
But, yeah.
It would be.
That's fair.
But Halo didn't.
I understand what you're saying.
But Halo didn't really explode until the year before the 360.
came out. That's like literally like Halo 4 came like Halo 2 came out and that was the big that was
the big deal and that was a year before 360. I get it. Chris I really just one had numbers too dude. Halo 1
one put up numbers as well. CombatVolve put up big numbers. Halo 1. Halo 1 put up numbers over like over time
but like well that's still it wasn't revolutionary immediately. I guess okay it was it was but it was
but it was still on this new kind of kit on the block console. I what I'm saying is like I don't think
they would have tried once and given up in that in that regard. I,
I think the 360 would have still come out,
and I think the 360 still would have made a foothold with itself
because it came out a year before the PlayStation.
I still feel like Gears, Bioshock and Mass Effect.
I think probably Massifact and Bioshock would have probably become first-party titles,
and Microsoft probably would have bought them if Halo wasn't a thing.
Possibly, yeah.
And just, but that's all just hypothetical anyway.
You know, the funny thing is we could probably actually figure this out.
You know, like we can ask the people, hey, was there a expectation,
if it didn't meet the expectation, would you guys not have moved forward?
I bet that's actually very answerable
It's very possible
They probably be like
Yeah
They weren't expecting
Halo to do well at all
All their money was on
All their money was on odd world
That's fucking hilarious
Like they were expecting odd world
To be the killer app
That's hilarious
That's fun
Yeah
Dude I remember
Because I didn't have
My brother had an Xbox
I had a PS2
And then my friends
Two my closest friends
At an Xbox
I'll never forget
How excited they were
Just to see the fucking
Blades of Grass
because, you know, the Xbox is more powerful
than like PS2.
Just looking down.
And this was like just combat evolved.
Like, dude, look at the fucking grass.
And I was like, yeah, it's pretty good.
But like, they were so, I've never seen that.
I never saw that for PS2.
I, um, I didn't see that for PlayStation.
I didn't see, I didn't see like that excitement.
Dreamcast had a little bit of it because Dreamcast did look really good.
Yeah.
But like, the original Xbox was kind of a powerhouse.
Like, it's, like, you plug that thing.
You could plug that in, you could plug the original Xbox into an HDTV.
and it will run well
and it'll like widescreen itself
it's it's kind of insane
like how
weirdly ahead of the curve
that first Xbox was
it's a Microsoft piece of hardware
they everything that they
at least hardware-wise
they really know what they're doing
for the most part
yeah software wise actually
overall actually
overall they just kind of know
what they're doing for the most part
generally speak
I think hardware is like
their weaker area
I think software is where they
they kind of
they're like
hardware
There's occasional there's occasional hitches where it's like oh yeah here's fucking Windows Vista and stuff like that and just the Windows stores in general is it great. Vista had to be that way. Vista had to be that way. They were hitting too many good shots. Eventually you're going to miss you know you can't because all the other windows is so.
It's kind of insane from Windows 7 to Vista. That's insanity. It almost seems like a troll. It almost seems like a troll like guys we're bored. Let's fuck shit up. Let's just ruin everyone's state.
wasn't good, man.
Let's ruin the world's day, like, by releasing Vista.
It's, it is kind of insane, though, like, the, the amount of, the amount of dominoes that had to fall in the right order for Xbox to be, like, a contender is actually kind of wild.
Even just the sale of bungee was, was completely, like, a shot in the dark.
Like, because they were, like, they put out a game on Mac that had, like, this, or, like, PC that had this, like, game-breaking bug that could.
caused like whenever you wanted to, whenever you wanted to uninstall the game, it would delete
everything on your computer.
So they had, so they had to like recall like millions of discs and like it ended up costing
them so much money that they ended up having to accept the purchasing offer from Microsoft
to get themselves out of the whole.
Yo, how crazy is it that back in the day that you had to recall disc instead of making
patches?
That must have been like the war shit where it's like, oh my God.
Dude, that sounds so stressful that it almost, like, it almost completely destroys any nostalgia I have for physical media.
Like, just that one thought alone.
So fucking bad.
I remember watching a video.
I don't remember who it was.
There's so many, you know, people that do video, they do video essays on games and stuff.
And somebody was going through all the games that had the worst, like game-breaking shit before you can patch it.
And it was just
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That's pretty awesome. I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one.
20 million is an insane number.
Yeah, 20 billion recovered. It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22.
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I was heartbroken.
I was like, man, I'm so lucky I didn't play those specific games because imagine, I think one
of them was, might have had, I think one of them might have been like Prince of Persia
or something.
If I remember, it was so long ago when I watched it, there was just something in a, like,
you couldn't get past it.
Like, you couldn't go through a door.
And I was like, how did that, how did that get shipped like that?
That shit fucking blows my mind.
But I don't know.
It's, it's pretty insane.
to me. It's why, I don't understand how, like, I'm not a programmer. And, like, I tell
us to my girlfriend who does do code and she's like, it happens, dude. Like, sometimes people
just overlook small parts of code that fuck it up. But I can't believe it actually happens
to that degree. Like, no one does a final check. Or the person that's the final check is kind
of like, eh, this looks all right. And they just kind of put it out there. Yeah, that's what I want.
I don't know. How do you do that you do that? Like, how do you just fuck shit up that bad and
not know you're going to fuck it up? That's an interesting question that I actually, I would
love to know the answers to um now i understand it a lot more about because you can just patch it
i understand that they're like fuck it we need we need we need to we need to make the uh the investors
happy release it uh back then one patch i guess or a day two patch yeah back then is like fuck it it's
kind of like say my blind swenie you were i i was basically being you when mass effect and drama
came out i saw how horrible that game was going to be and i just kept like blind optimism like
I know, it's going to be okay.
They're going to patch it a little bit.
And they put out like one, I think two patches, and then they just abandoned the game.
I guess it was so, it was so not worth it.
They just didn't even finish it.
And I was like, I can't believe this.
It's astounding.
That is wild that they abandoned Massifact, but they continued to patch Anthem.
That is so crazy.
That's so, I, while we're, they were such juggernauts.
And then it's, how could you fall from grace?
that hard.
It's, um...
They fell and hit their head twice.
It's...
Twice.
Like, it's, like, twice in a row, man.
That's so bad.
That's like...
Twice.
Yeah, and it's not even like they fell and made it better, you know?
And fell and made it better.
It was just like, fall, fall, you're at the bottom now.
Like, I feel like a similar thing happening with Bungee where it's like,
Destiny 1 came out, and it was just like, oh, this is like, okay.
This is, like, maybe like a sixth or a seven out of ten, I guess.
And then the raid came out.
And then, like, people were like, oh, this is pretty good.
And the Destiny's Drew came out.
And then it was like, I don't know if this is really all that great.
And then, like, it got better over time.
It's like, Mass Effect was like, Mass Effecting Drama.
It comes out. It's bad.
And then that's it.
And then that's it. And then that's it.
Are they just so sad?
Are they trying to revamp Anthem right now, though?
Are they trying to revamp Anthem?
But, like, who the fuck is going to play it?
Like, I don't know anybody who even talks about it.
I've never heard of soul.
I don't know anybody who, like, puts it on, like,
one of those things where it's like, oh, you know what game isn't that bad? Anthem.
I've never heard that phrase before. That's what's happening. They're trying to change that,
I guess. But I've heard that, but dude, man, I've heard that for everything. I've heard that
for like, oh, yeah, you know, no man's sky is actually pretty good. Oh, Rainbow succeeds is actually
pretty good. Every game that launched kind of like messy has people, like, whiskey and Justin love
that Ghost Recon Wildlands, you know? Interesting. They play it and they enjoy it. There was like
some predator mission, like, that was apparently, like, really wild.
And there's, like, stuff, there's, there are, the division is another one where, like,
I know people who really like the division, or I know people who are, like, kind of into watchdogs.
But it's like, zero.
There are people who are, nobody.
Nobody is like, oh, yeah, you know what?
Anthem had a rough start.
But you know what?
Once you get into it, it's pretty good.
Not even a little bit.
For me, I'm going to, I might not play it.
I'm going to be real, might not play it.
But I do have the idea of, like, I played a, um, you know,
I played Battlefront 2 at first, and I was like, this game is fucking awful.
I could feel that this game is bad.
I don't like playing it.
And then I played it recently after you'veamped it, and it's a significantly better game.
Like, I actually enjoy it.
Because they can change it.
You can do work and change games, you know.
The issue isn't necessarily that you can't take a bad game and make it...
I fundamentally don't think you can take a bad game and make it great.
I think you can take a decent game and make it great.
but you can't do that with a bad game
and I think Anthem fundamentally is a bad game
Battlefront
is a good game
with a lot of like messy
design choices implemented into it
like it's a first person shooter
so already it's like okay so this is playable
a lot of the issues that people had with Battlefront
initially was like the monetization
thing and like the way that power balance
struck in the game
and that that's easily fixable
but Anthem is a game that's just broken from the base level.
Like you can't make Anthem good.
You can't do it.
For me, my problem with Battlefront was significantly like,
obviously you had to like fucking unlock and buy shit to be viable.
That's a problem.
But I hated the way engagements happened.
You would engage where it would be a bunch of people down.
It'd be two hall,
it would be a hallway and people on each side of the hallway.
And it'd be like, well, I'm just going to shoot down this hallway.
It's like that's so not fun
That's horrible
Like you could take a game like Dante's Inferno
Right and polish it up to the point where it's like
An amazing game I think
Sure
Like you could do you could probably do that
You could take a game like
I don't know what's another decent game
You could take prototype right
And you could make prototype
With a little bit with a little bit more polish
And like maybe like better voice acting
And like a little bit of like maybe like tweaks to mission structure
You could make that game into a blast
If prototype was made today
that that would have been a stellar game.
Yeah, I think it would have been great,
but you can't make Bubsy 3D good.
You know, like, it's just...
It's just what it is.
I think that's what an end.
I think if Infamous came out now,
like, if it came out around this time now,
it would have been, it would be even better
than what it was before.
Yeah, I remember that, like,
Infimus and Prototype came out at the same time, didn't it?
Yeah, it did.
Infimis 1 in Proposite.
Yeah, everybody compared Infimis and Prototype,
which is, like, really weird
because they're so vastly
very different games.
It was kind of morality,
I guess, like the morality aspect
Oh yeah, that's true.
How fucked up you want to be.
That's true.
It's kind of why they put compared them.
That's what I compare them.
There was no like morality level in prototype though.
You wouldn't like,
you wouldn't like had the choice to like actually like murder a ton of people
or just get the mission done.
I'm pretty sure to remember that.
You could,
but it didn't make a difference as far as like story or abilities.
I think they were both like open world sandbox games.
Open sandbox games.
Yeah, yeah.
So you kind of jumped around on both.
That was the only similar thing.
It was like, okay, you're a guy running around an open world with powers.
Yeah.
You know.
But, yeah, I don't know.
That was a weird time.
Infamous, I always felt like kind of missed the mark to me.
It was almost just really close to being great.
I think it was a fantastic game.
I thought it was really, really, really awesome.
Power-wise, exploration-wise.
I thought I didn't like the idea that you, you close.
to metal sometimes.
Like it was helpful most of the time in a game,
but sometimes you just clean the shit randomly
and I'm like, fuck, I don't like this.
But that's sucker punch's thing because even
in Ghost, they improved it. They fixed
it, but you still kind of cling to things.
Sometimes when you don't want to jump to things, you kind of
cling to like a structure.
Instead of just like, it's a bit,
instead of like just going over it.
I don't think it's a problem in Ghosts. Ghosts is a lot. It's very
vertical. It's a very, very vertical game.
And like, I feel like your character's size
relative to the things you cling on to,
doesn't really fuck you up too much.
Yeah.
But for Infamous, it definitely fucking bothered me.
I was like, dude, I want to jump over this guy.
I don't want to jump to a fucking banister.
And now my back's turn to my enemies, and they're shooting me in my fucking back.
I'm like, come on, bro.
Yeah, all right.
We're getting to Dorito Dustin for, you invested a lot of time in that game.
I don't fucking.
I played that.
I played every game that I play that I say, like, hey, man, I really know about this game.
I really played a lot.
I played a ton.
Yeah.
All right.
We should move on to the next big thing.
Yes, we should.
Leafy's gone.
Oh, my God.
So, Leifie died.
He was killed in a flint accident.
Rip in peace.
Yeah, Leifie's dead.
He was in one of those zeppelins.
Yeah, he was in the Hindenburg.
YouTube shot him down with a flak cannon.
Flack cannon.
I don't know.
I don't know what the deal is.
I don't know if he's back yet or what?
Yeah, so essentially, so yeah, he was.
in the Zeppelin and then the songbird of a in a Bioshock Infinite.
Oh my God.
Sikdom.
And so we got to find Booker to it.
He's on the run or something.
That's canon.
Yeah.
So it's canon.
I swear.
So, yeah, he, so Leafy, I don't know if you know.
I assume anybody listening to this probably has some vague idea of who Leafy is, but he
just makes kind of like commentary content.
It's pretty like time capsule commentary.
It's very much like the stuff that was
Poppin in 2016, it's still
very much the same.
And he made, like, I guess, like,
a bunch of videos that were critical of Pokeyane.
And...
Yeah.
I think there were...
What was it?
There were, like, three videos total
that were critical of Pocene, I think.
Yeah.
And then there were several more videos
that used Pockeman's
likeness in, like, thumbnails for clickbait
that weren't actually about Poceman at all.
It was, like, stock tips or, like...
Yeah, about...
investing in shit or something like that.
But he was using Pockemain's face
to kind of clickbait people into it.
And out of nowhere, yesterday or like the day before,
in the last couple days.
I think it was yesterday.
I think it was something like that.
Was it two days ago?
In the last 48 hours, it was the last 48 hours
to when we were recording this.
His channel got kind of just taken down
without warning, and it's been a huge,
a huge kerfuffle on the internet.
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Hey, how's it going today?
It's going good, man.
Tell us who you are and what you do.
I'm Dan Morgan.
I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan,
which is America's largest injury law firm.
That's pretty awesome.
I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one.
20 million is an insane number.
Yeah, 20 billion recovered.
It's actually, I think, somewhere north,
probably closer to 22, 23 after this year.
And each year we get bigger and badder and our army grows.
So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
Awesome.
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Uh, I get it.
Because I never know how to feel about things like this because it's like,
usually when I see this, I'm like, oh, you know, that's probably bullshit and it's not fair
that you would have your channels taken down without any notice.
That's kind of fucked.
Sure.
Especially if like, if your livelihood is your channel and you're like a smaller channel,
you should definitely like get some level of warning before something like that happens or like a strike or an email of some kind which presumably leafy didn't get that is worrying because i would argue the precedent of this has been set for a while that youtube could just kind of do this whenever they kind of wanted to yeah but the thing that confuses me about it is i haven't seen
the videos that Leafy made?
Like, I haven't watched them.
I don't know what he said in them,
so I can't even,
I can't even in good faith really say
whether or not they broke terms of service or not.
So I actually have some pretty good insight on this stuff
because I did find it kind of fascinating
with how it all went down
because essentially it really,
without, you know, it all leads back to Keemstar, really.
because Keemstar put out a tweet, right, that said Pokemon 2 out of 10.
And that was a huge shitstorm.
Now, Keemstar, of course, was saying I was talking about her content, 2 out of 10.
And I wouldn't talk about her looks, which, you know, is obviously some bullshit backtracking thing.
Because essentially her content...
Of course it is.
It's fucking Keem.
Yeah.
And her content really, I mean, her content is her looks essentially, too.
Because, like, you know, she's...
It's hand in hand.
he was basically, there's no way you can wheeze a lot of that.
Yeah.
So when that blew up and a lot of the Twitch streamers started coming to her defense naturally,
that's when Leifie made the video, the content cop or nuke or, nuke, I guess.
And then the first video, he was actually saying some stuff that could be considered harassment
under YouTube's new policies.
Because he was.
Oh, really?
Like, what was he saying?
He was just like insulting her looks, right?
Yeah, he straight up was saying like she's fucking ugly or something.
Which is absurd because, you know, it's...
She's not ugly.
She's not...
She's not...
It's clearly...
Clearly, she's not ugly.
The idea...
If you see any of those fucking in-cells or whatever, those people that are actually in the replies on Twitter and saying she's ugly or whatever, they're fucking...
They're not like...
It's always like fucking...
It's always like...
It's always like...
Ethan Ralf or something.
Oh my God.
So it's just like people who look like...
Yeah, they look like...
People that look like fucking slop fucking goonies.
It's always those kind of creatures.
Yeah, they're...
Yeah, I don't know.
So he called her ugly, I think, in the first one...
But then after that...
In the first one, right?
Yeah, in the first one, after that,
they were completely normal, like, fair use type of criticisms.
He was more talking about the tier three subs.
He was criticizing the people that were going to bat for Pokemon,
the, you know, the Uber simps.
The ones that are given, the ones that are given, like, a shitload of money.
So they start going after that, which is totally fine.
but what what really could have gotten was the original video and then the clickbait.
Now, there is an argument to that because he was doing it for a purpose, just like Idubs did that to rice gum.
Rice gum.
Yeah, so there is an argument that he did it for a specific reason.
I think where he also failed, though, is that he didn't specifically word it like, say, Idubs did.
Idubs in the beginning specifically worded why he did it.
Leifie didn't specifically say it.
Like he didn't like anunciate this is exactly why I put in thumbnail.
He did acknowledge it.
But it still wasn't good enough.
You know,
it's like you kind of have to.
It was also.
Yeah,
it was also several videos.
It was several.
It was like because it was probably at least three videos, four videos.
I forgot how many.
But yeah,
they're always about something different like making amends with someone and investment and
and then all this other shit.
I'm like,
what the fuck is this?
Yeah.
And yeah.
And you can't really,
you can't really get away with that.
I feel.
Yeah.
I could see why the clickbait thing to me is like objectively like yeah, don't do that.
Like if you're going to do like a one-off thing like like Ian did and have like an explanation for it in the video and it actually kind of like works thematically with what the video it is and it's like a one-off.
Yeah.
I think that's fine.
But and even that video got actually struck for.
It did. I remember that.
Yeah.
I remember back when that video came out, it got struck for clickbait.
Yeah.
So even he got it
So even he got a strike for that
So like
Can I get my opinion real quick
Can I my opinion real quick?
Yeah
Yeah
I'm very quiet actually
I'm in very quiet actually
I'm letting you guys
Well because we're laying it out
But we weren't like
Kind of giving our opinions
Exactly how we feel
You know what I'm saying?
Like
But we pretty much laid it out
You guys
You guys are given the why
The actual why
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
So personally I don't really like Leafy
I consider him like just like
Some sort of internet troll guy
Um
My problem
is that, like, he does have a fairly toxic community, which I, like, he does, you know, he's
kind of a jerk, which is yes. Do I think he should have been banned the way? I mean, I'm,
I'm not exactly a content creator myself yet. So I understand that there are rules put in place
by Google to like, hey, you know, you can say whatever you want, but you have to be ready
to deal with the consequence for whatever you're saying, you know, like you could say you can do
whatever you want. I agree in freedom of speech, you know, but the way people respond is up to
them. It's an innocent one as a company, if you break their rules, they have all rights to do whatever
the fuck they want to do with you. Because YouTube's been finicky and acting weird for years, you know,
it doesn't new of them just doing random fuck shit to people. So, yeah, that's where I kind of
stand where like, yo, they have the rules out there. Are the rules available, like the rules
of the terms of use and everything like that? Like, are they are very readily available for
people that are making content. Like, could you find them? Yeah. You can, so you can. I remember,
I remember I made a video going over them and it's like, I don't know. I don't know.
Like, I think...
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Hey, how's it going today?
It's going good, man.
Tell us who you are and what you do.
I'm Dan Morgan.
I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan,
which is America's largest injury law firm.
That's pretty awesome.
I think I saw a billboard of yours recently that said 20 billion one.
20 million is an insane number.
Yeah, 20 billion recovered.
It's actually, I think, somewhere north, probably closer to 22, 23 after this year.
And each year we get bigger and batter and our army grows.
So the number will hopefully keep getting bigger and bigger as time goes on.
Awesome.
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the issue is that
it's selective
in the way that they choose to enforce it
because...
That's very true. I agree.
Because personally I think
the...
Making 12 videos with Pokeyman in the thumbnail
reads to me as like, yeah, that
that kind of does cross
a line into like...
Yeah, maybe it is the harassment.
If not, if...
If not harassment,
then it's just obvious pestering behavior
and just kind of skirting the line
kind of to get away with it.
So that to me is, like, obvious, but at the same time, it's like you do have, like, late-night people who, like, make jokes at people's expenses kind of every night who have videos on YouTube that get, like, preferred ads and stuff like that, where it's like, okay, well, either these rules are the rules of the land and they are to be, like, enforced.
10% I get it.
Yeah.
I don't think it should have been banned.
I don't have an issue with, especially because, like, I do think there's a, I do think, like I said, the 12 videos kind of crosses the line into potentially at least one strike, right?
Mm-hmm.
At least a single strike for, for, you know, harassing Pokemon, whatever the hell you want to call.
Sure.
Second strike for the clickbait.
Mm-hmm.
And he still has one strike left before his channel should be destroyed, I think.
You have to get three strikes before your channels control is that actually like how it works.
Yeah.
Two, yeah, you got to get three actual strikes.
Three within a certain time frame.
Because you can get three strikes over like, like years.
You know what I mean?
Like it has to be.
I think it's every six months.
Something like that.
Yeah, something like that.
So I don't think he should have been kicked off the platform exactly.
But I think is that I don't exactly think he should be kicked off platform.
But if he should have been kicked on a platform, then you have to follow soup whoever else does shit like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because there's no reason.
There's a lot of people who do shit like that, too, that don't get fucking removed.
There is no good reason why if Leafy is off the platform that Keemstar should say on the platform.
Literally.
Like, Keymstar to me is so much worse.
Well, see, that's why.
That's why there's a few factors that come into this because, number one, Leifie doesn't need to do YouTube.
We came back for the fun of it.
Like, I was kind of watching this as it was playing out because I was like,
I wonder what he's going to do.
And he was at a point.
And the reason why he even did this Pocameen thing,
I really do think he was poking the bear,
knowing that like the new harassment policies,
I'm going to see how far I can take this.
And one thing is particularly true is that YouTube will really only take notice
as if people are flagging.
Now, you say like Keemstar is worse,
which is absolutely true,
but people aren't flagging Keemstar.
So,
yeah, yeah.
Pokemon's fans were flagging.
leafy you can see on Reddit
and Discord and everything. They were definitely
like a court. It's kind of like
the only video I ever
had flagged was when I was
shitting on the alt-right. So the alt-right all started
pissing and moaning and then they all flagged
down my video and I got it up but it was there was a
fucking age gate on it. But essentially
that's what those vaginas did.
They were just so pissy
and they're like, oh. And so basically you have
to do that. There has to be a coordinated
effort to flag something down
and nobody's doing that to Keem Star,
especially because nobody wants to face the wrath of Keem Star.
Like imagine, like you, like say Ethan, right, H3, H3, he can,
he has such a massive presence.
He's able to do something like that.
He was able to go to war and risk doing anything, but somebody smaller.
I think Keem Star would, you know, kind of like how Spider-Man was chasing Shocker.
Like, I think it would be like one of those syndic.
scenarios where he's just like shocker and just never let you go.
Yeah, I know what you mean.
I don't know.
There is, I think at the most it should have been two strikes.
There is at least, I was having a conversation about it, and somebody did bring up the point
where it's like, okay, well, if he gets one strike for all the videos that count as harassing
Pocene, does that mean he could just make another one about Pockeman and it still qualifies
under that first strike and he can't be struck for it?
the future, which is like, okay, well, I guess, I guess that is a little weird.
And also just, does a strike, does a strike count for the individual act or just the general?
I think it's supposed to be the individual act. And that's why. Well, in that case, he's definitely
fucked. Well, yeah, see, here's the thing. I think it would be less of a conundrum if they,
he would have gotten three separate emails. And he's like, okay, because I know for a fact,
even though I don't know Leafy personally, I know for a fact that he doesn't, he doesn't,
doesn't give his shit. He already didn't, when he came back to YouTube, he didn't even care. He
was just doing it to fuck around. That's why he clicked baited. That's why he was doing all this
dumb shit. And I think one of the reasons why he did it too was because really, Ethan kind of
challenged him on the podcast where said, like, I would love to see if Leafy could exist in this
climb. I forgot what he said. I mean, he was right. I mean, he was over all, but I did see.
Dude, the people who think that Ethan, Ethan took him down is insane. No, he definitely.
I don't think he's another.
It's another meme that Leafy has been doing.
Anytime something happens, he tags Ethan H3H3 in it.
For like, he's just, he's creating chaos for the meme.
And if there's enough people that are stupid that don't understand that.
They're like, he knows for sure that Ethan has not done anything.
But he's playing into it.
And then there's people that are like, oh, did you do this?
And it's like, oh, my God, guys, have you not figured?
That's so tough, but that's the toxicity, dude.
It's because there's a lot of, there are a lot of, uh, 10 year olds who don't,
who don't, who think, there are a lot of 10 year olds, there are a lot of 10 year olds who genuinely think that a YouTuber can talk to the CEO of fucking YouTube and like just get something done.
It's like, nah, dude.
That's not how that works at all.
That's so interesting though that like the, I guess in like a young person's brain and like a kid's brain,
a popular YouTuber has more power than a CEO of a billion dollar company does.
It's like the ideal of whenever you work at a place and you think that like you like whenever you go to some place
Like let's say I worked at Starbucks and there'd be time where pumpkin spice would be gone people would like
Well tell your boss you want pumpkin spices like they don't fucking listen to me
They don't care what I have to say
They don't give a shit they care more about what you have to say and they barely care about that
Yeah like true like I man if that was true man
Fuck I would have called Ethan already been like yo can you get me my preferred ads
Can you put a good word in you fucking
You hook me up bro so for sure would have messaged him
for sure it would have been like hey dude
I'd offer the suck his dick man to get that money bro
but yo do you help me out y'all I'll give you a little licking lap
bro you feel me like help me
the whole idea of Susan Wajicki
visiting YouTubers was 100% lip service
How are people let me calm down
How are people not figured out how like
You know how CEO is the face of comp
The people that they make a presence to act like they care
Like presidents and shit like that
when they would do stunts.
Like, I'm going to go over here, shake hands and kiss babies.
Like, it's the same principle.
I'm going to go here and I'm going to pretend I give a fuck about what you think.
And then when I go back home, nothing's going to change.
Yeah, it's exactly.
I'm like, come on, guys.
Come on, let's keep up a little bit, please.
That's exactly what it is.
It's so fucking, it's so obvious.
We've been around for a while, so we just know that.
True, true.
It sucks, man.
It sucks, man.
It sucks the type of
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I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's largest
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It's the people that, and I know this is, this is kind of a sad thing because I saw it on Twitter trash one time because it was saying like, God, how do you make people are like, how do you make friends in real life?
Like I saw a tweet, it blew up and it baffled me.
It was like a, it was like a difficult thing and so many people were relating to it.
And this is where I realized there's so many people that only have friends online.
Like their friendships are just purely virtual friends.
and so their life is spent so much more online
and they don't know how to act
and they don't know how people act in the real world
and when you see people like
I saw people genuinely saying things like
Ethan is just as bad as Kim Star
and to me it's hilarious
it's laughable because I'm like okay
maybe there's an internet
perception of feeling that some people are
somehow good at making videos and they're putting out
that energy and then it's like oh me i can see it's one of those things where i'm like well that's not
how that's just not how the real world works that's not how when i am away from my computer
like i i know for a fact that like Ethan is a good dude like i know this a lot a lot of people
can probably say the same thing about keem star but that's i'd say that's more of a biased thing
just because you know how some people are they ride for there's people that are still riding
for Ethan Ralph, for example.
You know, those people are still writing for him.
That shit's insane to me.
But, like, in the real world, when you see the real actions and what they've done,
you're like, I don't know, this person seems kind of shady.
I haven't seen that from Ethan.
I've seen some internet banter and some shit that I don't fucking care about.
I only care about in the context of it's something to talk about while I'm online.
Like, we're doing this podcast right now, so it's kind of interesting to talk about.
But when I am done with this and when I'm done with this, and when I'm,
doing shit in my room or outside, there's no thought of me like, oh, fucking H3H3 or King.
I don't think about these assholes at all.
I mean assholes in just a general way.
Like, I just not thinking of these people.
I know what you mean.
Yeah.
It's a completely different world, but some people, it's like their entire world.
It's kind of wild.
It's so weird to me because I've never had that idea.
Like, I don't know.
Like, I'm also, we're also from a generation where it was different.
We are, we didn't have the ability to have all of our friends beyond.
Like, I've made my first.
real genuine online friend over the quarantine.
Like ever.
Like, I don't really have like online friends.
Like,
I know how to socialize in the world.
And I feel like it's,
the internet culture is becoming,
it's,
it's just,
as the world evolves,
it's making it weird and weirder and weir and weirder.
So,
like,
that's not so many people are fucking single now,
honestly,
truth be told.
Because,
like,
they're like,
I don't know how to talk to someone in person.
Is that statistically accurate?
Are there more single people now
than there have been,
like percentage wise?
I definitely feel like it could be.
be true. I'm not exactly sure. Like, I'm not going to
swear by any... It feels true.
I don't know what exactly true. But it feels like it's true.
It feels it is true.
Yeah, maybe there's just like a general
kind of nihilistic cynicism.
Chris, have you seen how people talk to girls?
Like, have you just witnessed people trying to flirt recently?
Like, there's been times I've been outside.
And I'm just seeing people flirt. And I'm like, yo, this guy's fucking dumb.
Like, what is he? Like, they're just, they're just not able to, especially
younger people. They just don't know how to talk to women.
And I'm like, what are you doing?
Well, okay, in the, in the, in the defense of them, I will say,
I've noticed the cultural shift of, of, it is, it is not very acceptable to talk to strangers now.
Like, say, if you were, let me give you an example, when I was 16 years old, we would go to Disneyland, Nots, and we'd go to the, we'd go to the mall all the time to pick up girls.
Well, bitch of the game, bro.
And it was very, it was very normal, 100% to walk up to, you know, be me and my homie.
We'd walk up to them.
say hi, introduce ourselves, and see, hey, you guys want to hang out?
You can't do that anymore.
That's gone.
That shit is gone.
Like, if you go up to...
That shit's not gone for me, bro.
I can still do it.
I know I can still do it.
It's not the fact that whether you can do it or not, like, say confidently, the vibe
has changed.
You walking up to a stranger now is perceived differently.
If you walk up to a woman and try to spit game, she's going to her, she's going to be on
guard.
She's going to be on guard.
Did you ever...
This is true.
This is true just basic.
You don't even have to put flirting into this occasion.
You could...
There was this video that went viral a couple of years ago of like some guy...
He just brought like a camcorder in like the 80s into like a 7-Eleven or something.
Did you ever see this video?
I don't think so.
We're like...
He just brought a camera into 7-Eleven.
And he was just buying stuff and he was like just recording the cashier and like the customers
and everybody was just like getting involved and they were like, hey, yeah, yeah.
And they were like mugging for the camera and doing like playing like playing.
along with it and like everybody was like super chill and like super friendly and everybody just like
talking to each other and then he did this he did the same thing in the same 7-11 i think in like
2015 or like 2016 um and everybody just sort of like sideline him and like walked away and like
they were just like really really uncomfortable and like that's interesting it's it's it's it's
really it's really interesting it's very true that people have gotten like it's definitely
true that people have gotten um people have gotten um people have gotten
more reserved as time that's going
along, you know, people have gotten more self,
self-assured and self-centered.
But Chris also knows the idea of that
like, back in New York,
if someone, like people, people will fucking push
past you and knock you over and let you get the
fuck out on my way and all that shit, but then if someone,
somebody, excuse me, can you help me with something?
There will be people that would be like, yeah, what can I
help you with? That is still a
mentality that I have. And when it comes to, like,
talking to women, dude, I can do that shit
with my fucking eyes close.
Because it's, all you have to do is just talk.
You don't have to literally the demeanor you give, like the energy you give off, the demeanor you give off definitely.
It'll be a wall maybe at first more and so than it was before.
But if you just know how to talk to people, then you will be able to just speak to them.
There's definitely more of a guard now.
I'll agree with that.
That's really it.
It's just there is still possible to right break down the barrier, but the barrier exists.
And one thing when it comes to like when we're talking about dating, it just socializing in general, dating all.
that stuff is so different because just think about how say you guys remember the house phone
and when people would call you didn't know who it was and you you were actually willing to pick
up the way that things are so different every caller idea is now a thing if somebody calls you
which is rare because most people don't call anymore when they do call you're actually kind
of weirded out remember when it wasn't weird at all yeah i don't i don't pick up i i don't pick up
the phone if i don't know the number like i i still kind of do if you if you got something important
to tell me text it to me leave it and avoid
I'll hear it later, but I'm not going to interact with somebody that I don't know who it is.
It's just a very different...
It's a very different vibe.
It's very different.
It used to not be like this, and I feel like dating and flirting is the same way, especially now because it is, it's completely accepted to...
I remember when it wasn't accepted yet to date online, because online dating back in, I would say, the 2010s, when it's first started to explode, it wasn't totally accepted yet.
It was thinking like, oh, it should be.
just for creeps and people that want to fuck. Like that's
it. That's what it was perceived as.
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I think I saw billboarded years recently that said 20 billion one. 20 billion is an insane number.
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No, look it.
Now it's, now it's fucking everybody is, it's on, it's to the point where Facebook has their dating now.
It's the point where Facebook has a name.
It's the main thing now.
It is the main thing.
It's, so the idea of going out, right, and picking up people, it's so foreign now.
It's so weird.
Like, you would hear an older generation here, Gen X people would say, meet a nice lady in the grocery.
store, I want you to walk into a grocery store and go hit on a chick.
She is going to be so uncomfortable now.
When before, it was probably very flattering.
And here, write down my number.
Not even, not, no, don't text me.
Don't fucking, don't snap me right down my number.
That's what it is now, dude.
I've taken down IGs and snap, like, number exchange was like the last thing.
It's like, oh, now that I'm actually genuinely interested in you, I will, I will send my
number through Instagram DMs.
It's like...
The number is the last thing.
It is.
It is. In fairness.
I've been out the game for a while, but yeah, I get, I get it.
I've been out there for a minute.
So I wouldn't know.
In fairness, that kind of, that kind of lends weight to the number, though.
That kind of seems that has a, that has a sense of reverence behind the number.
It gave it more of a status.
I agree.
I don't think it's, I don't think it's, I don't think it's a bad thing.
I really, especially in a woman's defense, I don't think that, you know, giving someone your
number right off the bat i i feel for that shit because that's that's a gamble that's a fucking
roll of the dice right you could be getting a huge creeper that just tries to stock you and won't
stop calling you and then if it's like say instagram or something it's much easier you can block
numbers right but it's much easier to just block a profile or something yeah for sure so it's
because you can mute them yeah you can do all sorts of things yeah but yeah i don't know like i
remember i don't know social social interaction is just weird in general like even just like a couple
a week, like a couple weeks ago, I think.
I think three weeks ago, I went over, I walked over to a friend of mine's place because
we were just kind of getting bored being quarantined.
So we kind of just all walked over to their place and just sort of hang outside.
And we were just like drinking and like smoking a little bit outside.
And some guy came up to us just in an alley just out of nowhere.
He was like, hey, guys, I'm a part of this now.
And we were all just like, what the fuck?
Get the fuck out of here.
like what are you fucking doing
what kind of a psycho does this
that's insanity but but
it so like
and he and he went off on this weird diatribe
about how great Trump was
like even though nobody was talking about politics
like we were talking about we were talking about
eating scabs
like and he just jumped in
and he's like so you guys hate Donald Trump huh
and it's like oh my god what does this fucking psycho do it
so like a lot of
a lot of my interactions with
random
people in the last like, I don't know, 10 years has been just uncomfortable and stupid.
So like it makes sense that like people would just sort of be on their guard, especially with
just like, I don't know, you had like 9-11 and school shootings and fucking abductions and
Jeffrey Epstein and all this shit where it's like, oh man, I think we're just really hyper
aware of all the seedier parts of society now that we're just like a lot more cautious.
We're a lot more cautious as to who we interact with.
I get people to the doubt.
I'll talk to people though.
because I'm like
I'm big
I'm big and I'm imposing
and like you're not
you're like most
like you're not gonna harm me
you know like you're not really gonna be able to hurt me off
you know what you don't piss me off about that guy though
is that you could tell he was the kind of guy
who would like
because we we all told them to just go away
after a while
like I think I at one point
I was like
I think I said like hey listen
it's pretty clear that nobody wants you here
so can you just leave
and he just stayed there
for like an extra five minutes
until everybody unanimously told him to go
but like I guarantee you he's the kind of guy who like went home and like tweeted about how like
liberals making everything political I just wanted to have a conversation
that fucking yeah something yeah I hate him so much hope he I was so fucking infuriated because
it was like he he was the one who made it political and he's definitely one of the people
who's like keep politics out of fucking this or keep politics of fucking that for sure it's just
so obvious that it was the same guy and I was like holy shit dude that's so insane people
say keep positive out of stuff also it's like bro everything has politics in it man
Everything.
Because, dude, you don't, you don't, but you don't bring politics to the conversation.
If, if you're approaching a group of people trying to, like, make friends with them, the last thing you're going to do is talk politics.
Absolutely.
That's just not what you're going to do.
Because even people who agree disagree.
Exactly.
Like, it's, it's, since there's no reason to have that conversation.
So he just went over there looking for an altercation to probably, like, write about on his Facebook.
Uh, we got, we have, we have, we have some questions.
We have some questions to get to before we, uh,
we have some questions to get to before we wrap this up
let's see
Chris but not that Chris the rest of the name was cut off
I gotta say this
a lot of your names guys are so long
that Patreon literally breaks when I try to click on them
so like if I don't read your whole name
for the question specifically
sorry but like it's literally doesn't show up
especially on the app
which is what I used to like get all the questions
but Chris but not that Chris wrote in
He says, I'm a new subscriber.
This is my first patronizing question, first of hopefully many.
Welcome aboard.
I recently had an unfortunate experience with a Tinder date that got cold feet because of her fear of COVID.
Despite me assuring her that the outdoors is far safer to breathe and that we would wear masks and the restaurant,
she backed out, what are some quarantine-adjusted, what is some quarantine-adjusted dating advice you would give your sad and destitute listeners in such trying times?
Well, I can, I can, I, you know what you want to take this?
Because I got some.
No, you should take it.
Yeah, you go for that.
Okay.
First of all, to anybody who is paranoid, I understand your concerns.
It's, that's actually kind of a good thing to be paranoid than to not be.
There are precautions.
First of all, being outside is very, it is very safe, especially if you're wearing mask.
It is very safe.
Like, say, if you are, if you are possibly an infected person, it is like very, very,
unlikely that you're going to spread it if you're wearing a mask.
They work very fucking well.
It's nothing's 100%, but I actually just had to explain this to somebody.
And I sent them a video by a thoughty-two, just kind of like explaining the science behind this.
Kind of like when you're sick, you cough, you sneeze, you cover your mouth so you don't spread the disease.
You know, it's the same principle.
Yeah.
One thing that you can do, though, is like, say, kind of like how they're, I have met women and I don't blame them that want you to get
tested before they sleep with you or something.
They don't just want to trust you.
Even though if you're wearing protection, they want to be safe.
Like, oh, when's the last time you've been tested?
And back in the day when I was really like dating a lot, I was, my blood work,
I got blood work done a lot because it was before I got diagnosed with the mitral valve
prolapse, like a bad heart valve.
So I knew I was clean as fuck.
So it was very easy for me to be like, I'm very clean.
I'm cool.
So the same principle can work for COVID towards like, if you guys know you're negative,
then you can hang out.
Yeah, like what are you doing wrong?
Like, go do your thing, you know, go to your test.
You'll find out your negative and easy, piece, lemon squeasy.
You know, it's nothing wrong with that.
And I heard the tests are a little bit more widely available now.
I know back home in New York, they're pretty widely available.
You could just get them, like super easy.
Yeah.
It's so the idea of, like, trying to figure out something, you can still do.
You can, like, a lot of restaurants are open now, like, say, where he's spread apart to where you'll be fine.
and so, but just knowing if you're going to be in the vicinity of talking like a date, just get tested.
Like you said, just get tested.
That's literally the same.
Just get fucking tested.
If you guys know your negative, you'll be fine.
You can be fucking.
You can shove your cock in her mouth or whatever way it's going to be.
Same thing for me, dude.
When I was younger, every time I had a new partner, when I was past 18, I got tested because my grandmother being in the medical field, she kind of enforced that like, hey, you know, you should always make sure you're safe.
And the person is going to be with is safe too.
So I always got tested before I got into a new sexual relationship.
It's a good practice.
At least on my end, it's just good.
It's safe. It's just, it's just smart to get tested.
It is.
Yeah, it's smart.
And let me tell you one thing, too.
The less things, especially for young men, if you want to really please your woman, this women,
particularly, the less that is on her mind, you know, the more it's going to be able, she's going to be able to enjoy.
Because one thing that I hear from a lot of women say,
Like guys, right, it's very easy for guys to come.
Women, a lot of times, it could be a lot more difficult depending on the woman, but say, obviously, the more shit that's on your mind, the more shit, it's going to be harder to concentrate.
So if it's possibly in the back of her head or your head or anything, that, oh, what if I have this or what if this, you know what I'm saying?
It's just, you're not going to have a good time if you think that you could potentially die.
Yeah.
From what you're doing.
Figure out all that shit, make sure everything's cool.
You're going to have an infinitely more time, whether it's sex or not.
It's like, yeah.
It's just, it's, peace of mind is, is worth.
That's true.
Worth a test.
But if you, if you can't make a woman come, bro, you need to fix you.
You need to fix your whole fucking, you need to fix your whole fuck.
Right.
It's not really that hard.
It's really, hold on.
Hold on.
It's really, really, hold on.
He, Sweeney brags so much that it gives me the impression that you're really insecure.
I can make you come if you want me to.
Don't fucking test me.
I don't, I know what I'm doing.
I'm just, I'm just saying, I'm just saying typically,
The science is there, all right?
It's really, I'm just, I'm just saying.
God damn it. Go ahead, please.
Typically, the people who are most braggadocious about it are the people who fail the most.
I'm not braggadocious.
I'm just confused at how people can get this simple mechanic so wrong.
Yeah, this is not.
It's like wave dashing.
It's like, yo, it's really simple to just press these buttons.
No, no.
Okay, so let's get a few things straight.
First of all, we've heard Sweeney brag about.
his penis plenty of times.
Yeah, yeah.
He probably has a very fulfilling penis and he has confidence.
That really helps in,
and I would say, making your partner come.
Number two, women are not the same.
There are some women that can only come clitorically.
Through stimulation?
And there's other ones that can do vaginally.
You need to know this stuff.
And the idea of telling someone like, what's wrong with you,
no, man, there's also women.
I knew one specifically.
And I'm going to tell you this too,
because the idea of making, like, say, I'm on board with you, Sweeney Ward, say, I haven't had much issues with that.
But I was one time with this girl that she told me, like, herself.
She was like, I can't make myself come.
And I was being, you know, very confident myself, like, oh, I got you.
Here's the thing.
I didn't get her.
I didn't fucking get her, dude.
And it kind of fucked with me a little bit, thinking that I'm inadequate.
But, no, I understood that she had an issue.
she had some problems that was keeping her from reaching that level, which is totally understandable.
And in certain cases, some men, typically the ones that are experts at masturbation, they like use extra tools and do all these crazy things that they can't come with women and they can only come by finishing themselves.
Which is pretty wild to me, but I know some, like say, I know some people, because I would listen to love.
line with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla all the time.
Oh, he's dead.
You know that?
Stop.
Dude, the second time you guys said that I actually Googled it, I was like, Dr. Drew dead?
Is he really dead?
Did he die this time?
He died a week later?
He died this morning at 9 a.m. Pacific Central.
Pacific Standard.
Pacific Central Time.
Pacific Central Time.
The podcast I listen to that's under, like, they're under this network, right?
and no one said anything.
Like Dr. Drew has a podcast under this network
and no one said they're like,
who gives a fuck about Dr. Drew?
He's dead.
I mean,
they didn't expect everybody to find out so soon.
That's very true.
Somebody found out immediately tweeted out.
Dr. Drew's dead.
Yeah.
All I'm saying is,
I understand.
They found him on Big Ben.
Oh my God.
Look, I understand that like,
I'm very much so aware that like
people have different bodies
and I understand that I haven't had the most sexual experience.
I haven't had like, I'm not like,
I'm not a porn star fucking a thousand different women in my life.
All I'm saying is that I feel like it's,
must be nice, Chris.
All I got to say is that it's kind of wild to me
that some people are like, yeah, it just doesn't work.
Because what I do is, it's been tough for me sometimes, you know.
I haven't always had the ability to give one,
girl one lap and she starts fucking gushing like a fucking waterfall, you know.
Okay.
But I go down there and I start fucking munching.
And I start munching and my jaw hurts, but I keep munching.
I will say the thing that always did confuse me, the one thing that did always confuse me was like all, like, once I started being sexually active was like all those like sitcoms that I would watch where like the joke was like, where the joke was like, where the joke was like, like, where the joke was.
like, oh, it's so hard to find
the, you know, it's so hard to find
the clit. You know, that was like
all that weird, yeah. It's like an
everybody loves Raymond. Yeah, it's
it's just this everybody loves Raymond thing where
it's just like this universal thing that just men
just can't find it. And I was like, oh, it must be
really hard to find, I guess.
I found it. It's right there.
And then once you, once you're engaged
in any kind of activity you're like that, it's like, oh,
what?
Like, I almost felt like I was insane.
because like, it seems inconceivable to me that you could not find where that is.
You know what I think it is?
I think it was the lack of oral sex being given to women at those times.
Back in the day, maybe.
So finding the clit was like, oh, how did you find it?
You know what?
Because I went down in a vajajay and I saw this little bean-like thing.
And I started giving it, I started licking and lapping.
And it's like, what?
You did that?
You're fucking disgusting.
I punched my life in the pussy and I believe she screamed.
Was it pleasure on plane?
I do not know.
I imagine men were like that.
I mean, you got to imagine that there was no female orgasms back in the day.
That's why there was that whole, like, oh, the female orgasm is a myth kind of a thing.
Because literally, that's insane, dude.
All right, Mary Sue, I'm going to stick my penis in you, pump three times and now make me a baby.
And then that's it.
It literally is.
That's so insane to me, dude.
Some old British man's like, I'd say back in by.
I could wave a dollar bill in front of a woman and she'd gushing her panties.
It's all you need is a pile of money.
It's so insane, dude.
It's so wild the disconnect.
It's like, I don't know.
Like, I don't like the idea.
Like, if someone does something, like, if we're going to do something where we're both going to gain something out of it and one person doesn't get anything out of it, I just feel bad.
Yeah.
I'm just like, I just like, I just don't feel good.
You have empathy, sir.
You have empathy, sir.
And I appreciate it.
much empathy like a pussy, that's why.
That's my weakness. If I could sell
my empathy, I'd be fucking strong. I'd be a
fucking cold-blooded warrior, but I
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Tell us who you are and what you do.
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No, it's definitely, like, to the young, man, there's too many, this is what I don't like.
I was actually, so I did a test on, I had a solo podcast for a little bit, but I kind of abandoned it.
And I did a segment test because I was going to make it a podcast in itself, but I couldn't figure out who I wanted as the host.
But it was going to be called the Lonely Hearts Club, and I was also trying to make sure I didn't get sued by the Beatles.
But it was essentially, every time I would see young men getting advice, it would be from these fucking dumb assholes that treat men like shit, that women like shit.
and it was upsetting me
so it's like these young men,
they didn't know how to act
they didn't know how to secure,
they didn't know how to secure shit
and they didn't know how to be confident
and I was like, dude,
every time I do an Instagram Q&A,
I would get like 20%
questions about like women and about this
and I'm in my 20s and I'm avert
all this, and I was like, dude, this is insanity
to me. This shouldn't be happening in my opinion.
So I was like,
it's just like they don't,
they don't fucking, and then there's too many people
I feel like they, there's too many men
that and sometimes this happens to women too
they get their
their ideas of how sex should work
from porn and they think
like their mind gets a little bit too warped
to the point where like I said
when I hear women talk about men coming
too fast and I know we kind of talked
we touched upon this before
like that it just upsets me when
say people don't know that's the fucking
default like that's the default
that's how it's supposed to work
and if you want if you so
choose to prolong you
your sex or whatever you're doing, you have to work at it.
But don't fucking feel inadequate if you come in a minute or two or something like that.
Like, you're designed to.
Like, that's what, it takes much discipline and practice.
Now look.
Yes.
Okay.
I am someone who learns a few of their sexual techniques on pornography.
Right.
And one thing I did learn how to.
satisfied woman from pornography.
It did teach me that.
I gained that ability through my...
Stop pausing so much.
My copious amounts of pornography intake in, particularly in my younger years.
And sometimes it's helpful.
You shouldn't get your sexual basis from pornography, but it can be insightful.
It can be insightful, but you know what's more insightful than porn, in my opinion?
What?
is actually asking the fucking woman what she likes.
Oh,
that definitely matters a lot too,
but you're going to be nervous.
Yeah,
it's almost like you're taking an order.
It's like,
okay,
so what do you want?
Right.
Oh,
yeah,
definitely,
but like,
you know,
you're going to be nerve-wracked.
It's like,
how to explain it?
My first time having sex,
I freaking shook.
I was shaking
because it's fucking scary.
It's fucking terrifying.
I had a horrible first time having sex,
you know?
And,
like,
even I'd already seen porn and all that,
shit like that,
I was just,
everybody's first time I feel like
it's not that great
I feel like everybody
mine I feel like everybody
has that story
let's compare
let's compare stories and environments
I want to know
I don't want to compare mine
but okay let's let's go
let's go
Derek you first you brought it up
you started this engagement
all right
so yeah my first time
was uh it was probably
it was really upsetting
because
there was uh
this park that wasn't that far away
from this jack in a box
in a breath
not too far away from the
Ram Prav.
And so we were walking
set up.
We were walking away.
I was just setting the scene for if anybody's ever been to the
Braham Prove, you probably know
like Birch Street and like the
environment.
But like there was a jack in the box and then
and then just a little bit down.
There was a park right there.
And we stopped there.
It was me, that chick,
my homie Josh and this other chick, right?
I don't think they did anything.
But we went on the fucking park slide
like right before you slide down it.
And then that's where the shit went down.
And I got to tell you, it was cold.
we were
anyone could have walked by at any moment
so I was
fucking not at attention
it was like the
it was like
it was half mass for sure
and all I was thinking in my head
like there's no way she could be fucking enjoying this
because this is like
this is the most pathetic thing ever
and she's gonna think completely
she's gonna think
I'm the worst fucking like sex giver
ever
sex giver
everything about it was like
fucked up
but
miraculously
I don't know what to do
I didn't try hard
in high school at all
but like I was just radiating this
like weird type of energy that people
thought I was like some sexual demon
I barely did anything because I just
just like to chill
but she was like
seemed to be she
fucking bragged about it
and it ended up
like spreading like wildfire in school
because you know fucking whatever
it wasn't called tea back then
but whatever the fuck tea is
that shit really upset
me because now I'm like, oh my God, is she like, but did she say like how it went down?
Because that shit's embarrassing.
But apparently I was the man, but I wasn't though.
It was fucking awful.
Yeah, I really wish.
Just a lie on both of your behalf.
Totally.
Like, I wouldn't have like, why are you lying for me?
I didn't.
I would have, it was fucked up, dude.
I really, I wish I could erase that shit.
That's, that's infinitely better than mine.
Go ahead, Chris.
I don't want to, I don't want to say mine.
I don't want to say mine.
I don't know.
Mine wasn't
The worst, I guess.
But like it was
I was, so basically
this was like,
I think the summer before I started college, I think.
And it was like,
I was asked to watch our neighbor's house for a month.
So I had this whole house to myself
as like a teenager who's going into college.
And I was like, this is pretty amazing.
And at the time I was seeing
my girlfriend at the time
we were still pretty young so we weren't really you know it was also still really fresh so it was like a newly started kind of relationship and we stayed in that house because obviously like I have a whole house to myself are you kidding like this is amazing I had never had that freedom before to bring a girl home ever and I was like okay we're going to do this and it was just like you just don't know you know kind of what to do yeah but you're not really in tune with how you should be
be doing it because you've never done it.
So you're just sort of...
The mechanics are correct, but like there's no...
You know what it is? It's somebody who's hitting all of their lines right in an acting class,
but like there's no emotion behind.
Yeah, the feeling's not there. I feel you.
Yeah, it's like a monotone delivery. It's like, yeah, this is all right, but there's something
really wrong with it.
And...
Good analogy.
And she bled on the sheets of my neighbor's house.
So I had to throw these sheets away and, like, buy them new, like, expensive fucking satin sheets.
Oh, my God.
Because I ruined my neighbor's sheets, and that was pretty much.
You guys smashed on her time in the month?
No, no, no, no.
I mean, she never.
Oh, she was a virgin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Damn.
Yeah, I mean, we both were, so.
Fucking deflower.
Okay.
All right.
I hate deflowering.
I hate hearing that.
so fucking heinous sounding.
You de flower.
It was really, really.
It was embarrassing, though, because I was like, oh, shit, is this like, I thought I, I thought
I heard her, like, real bad.
You killed her.
Oh, my God.
So stupid.
So when you say you don't want to share yours, but you guys, you guys, could have promised
you won't laugh at me.
You'll promise you won't laugh at me.
I mean, safe space.
Yeah.
All right.
This amongst my bros.
This is going to be bad.
Okay, so I lost my virginity at, as a 10th grader.
at a junior prom that I wasn't supposed to be at.
So I'm liking it so far.
So what happened was PNC high school,
there were barely any fucking rules
because the high school's horrible.
So I got invited to the prom.
It was me and my girlfriend at the time.
And I was like, yeah, let's go.
A week.
So what happened was I had got my first kiss
three weeks before I had,
two weeks before I had sex.
And then I got my first blow job a week after I had sex.
so that was already
is already fucking wrong
so I got my first like real real kiss
then I was like oh this is crazy
and then I started thinking about sex
and at that moment I was still kind of religious
and I still kind of was like
I shouldn't do this God wouldn't be happy
with the fact that I would like
I'm having sex before marriage
I was kind of taught that you know
so
I
so we should like
during the middle of the problem just like
hey it was just like go hang out
and go hang out like near the gym
And I was just like, I don't really want to do that.
She was just like, she was like, we should do it.
Come on.
I was like, but everybody's here.
They got like food and shit and everybody's dancing.
Crank that just came on.
She was just like, come on.
Stop being a bitch.
And I was just like, I was like, all right, cool.
Saying, man, we were kissing stuff like that.
And she was like, do you want to have sex?
And I was just like, yeah.
Like, I was so fucking nervous.
It was like, yeah.
And I started shaking.
And he was like, yeah, man, I feel like my arm's like, my arm fell a sleep or something like that.
I was just shaking it.
To wake it up.
So we,
she was like,
so you're down?
I'm like,
yeah.
So she unsiped my pants.
She saw my,
my fucking 16 year old penis.
And I was just like,
so we're gonna do that.
She was like,
yeah,
so we had sex for like,
unironically like three minutes.
She was like,
are you,
like, yeah,
like,
yeah,
started hurting for me too.
And then afterwards,
she was like,
I'm gonna,
we're gonna go back to them.
I'm like,
dude,
go back,
join them.
I'll meet you in just one second.
I want to wash my head,
stuff like that.
And she was like,
yeah,
And I literally was shaking in the bathroom when I was tearing because I thought that I'd upset God by having sex before marriage.
I was so fucked up.
I was so fucking.
I was so fucking distraught.
And then like I, like, I were in.
I was like, I'm going to call my cousin.
I called my cousin.
I was like, on a ride home, I was like, yo, Eric, I don't know what I did.
But I don't feel good.
I don't feel good right now.
He was like, what happened?
He took like a derail off and like we talked about it.
And he was like,
King is nothing wrong with that.
You know, like, that's how babies are made.
You know, and I was just like, I don't think I did the right thing, man.
I don't know what I did.
But I don't think this is why.
Dude, it was such a bad experience.
It was such a bad experience that I kid you not, that I literally forced my mentality
to change, and I started just having sex as much as I could.
And then it fuck sex for me a little bit.
It just, like, it literally was such a bad time that like, I kid you not.
Yeah. I know.
I know what you mean.
No, religion's crazy, man.
Like, the shit that, the shit that it does to your brain is like not, especially as a kid.
It just made me feel gross.
It's just like, it's so fucking insane.
The shame.
But the thing is that my grandmother never taught me that.
My grandmother taught me that like, if you're going to do it, because of what you care about at least, you should try to wait for marriage.
It was just the narrative that I took from all the fucking preaching I heard.
And it was so fucking, it was literally, I kid you not, it was the worst experience I ever had in my life.
Yeah.
It was fucking on a scale from one to ten.
It could possibly be associated with two.
I thought I was going to hell and I was like, fuck.
Then I was like, fuck God, please you feel kind of good.
And I kind of became atheist for a while.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
That's pretty...
It's bad.
That's pretty rough.
I honestly think a lot of people can relate to that, man.
I think a lot of people can relate to that exact experience.
I imagine like, dude, that is.
as embarrassing as that may sound, like, there's just, I, I, there's so many people that are
religious that, and since they obviously, so many people fucked before marriage, you know,
it's like, come on. And I imagine they all have the same shameful thing. I know people
that were ashamed of jacking off. And, uh, to me, that shit was like, I was like, I, that was
wild. I remember going to a church retreat. Um, and the pastor that looked exactly like Flanders was
talking about that when he like kind of became a bone again Christian he stopped masturbating
and I'm like a 13 year old kid or something and I'm like in my head I'm laughing I'm like
what are you fucking nuts like what are you gonna you're gonna like I'll say God is like he what does
he why like the idea that he's mad at you jacking your dick out it just upset me because I'm like
what kind of what kind of it is God would be upset by something like that it is really
stupid I think it's one of the things that I think
That was most obviously...
I think that was like one of the first inklings that I had that was like,
okay, well, maybe this religion thing probably isn't real.
Because I can't...
I can't imagine being that powerful and caring about that.
You know what I mean?
The idea of being that powerful and creating people to have the urge to clear their pipes
pretty much daily.
Pretty much any doctor that's fucking good at their job
will be like, you need to keep your
pipe your pipes clear or you're going to get
fucking prostate cancer, you idiot.
Literally. It's something, like, you need
to keep your pipes clean and
clear. Yeah. It's like, why would you,
why would you design us? They'd be like, no, don't
do it. I want you to have fucking
cancer, bitch. Like, come on.
It's so fucking cold. This whole thing is just
reminding me of all these, like, shameful
date memories. Yeah, let's just,
let's just get to the questions. I'm
fucking sad now. You know, you know I got
invited? I got invited to,
I got invited upstairs once.
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Hey, how's it going today? It's going good, man. Tell us who you are and what you do.
I'm Dan Morgan. I'm an attorney and a managing partner at Morgan and Morgan, which is America's
largest injury law firm. That's pretty awesome. I think I saw billboard of years recently that said
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For coffee.
I can't remember what date it was.
And I remember, like, this is, I think, in L.A. when I first got here.
And I went on this date and I walked this girl home.
And she said, do you want to come up and drink some coffee?
And I remember being like, I don't really like coffee.
I've done so like that, too.
And you know what's really, and like she just,
left and I was like, wait a minute.
And then I thought about what just happened.
And I was like, this is a Seinfeld episode literally.
This happened on Seinfeld, this literal exact thing.
And I should know better than to have done it.
But I made the same mistake.
I've definitely been like, I'm sorry.
I'm going to play Smash Bros.
of my homies.
But I hope we have a good rest of your night.
I didn't even call.
I didn't call her back at all ever.
Like, I was just so ashamed.
It happened.
Because at that point, at that point, I was like, there's, I don't want to have to explain this.
Like, I don't want to have to explain that I was too stupid to understand what she was talking about.
And then just try to salvage it.
I was like, this is it.
That's it.
I'm sorry.
I guess we vault.
Yeah, yeah, because the same thing happened to me one time after Disneyland.
I dropped this one girl off in front of our apartment.
And then she said, I don't know, like, I was already kind of like really tired and over the day.
I'm like, it was fun, but I'm ready to go.
And then she was kind of like, I don't know.
You don't want to, like, hang out some more?
and she like kind of put her hand like behind my seat or whatever or like on the seat like kind of like when you're kind of almost trying to put your hand behind somebody's shoulder around their shoulder or something like that it was like one of those things but she had such a I can't explain I feel like I might have even mentioned her before I don't know but she just had such a poker face that didn't exert like I'm sexually attracted to you that I completely just I don't know I didn't even think to me that well I guess that's just her face.
Me, I'm like, oh, this bitch don't want to fuck.
I'm not even going to try.
And then it wasn't until later.
Yeah.
It wasn't until later, I'm like, oh, oops.
Like, that shit is the worst, man.
I hate that.
Like, you want me to chase you kind of thing.
Like, just be real with me, you know?
Like, if you want to, if you want to, if you want to, I would find some time in my schedule, we could can noodle, you know.
Like, I'm not.
I can find some time in my busy schedule.
We could do it, you know.
Like, I'm not, like, I don't know.
I just, I am to the point.
I agree
Still though
Like I don't know
People people people have different methods
Like I definitely like
I definitely like was trying to turn
Like when I
When I said oh I don't like coffee
It was like
It was a joke because like
That was what that was what was working
For so long
Like just like kind of like being in the
I'm like comedically I'm on right now
Because that's what's working for this person
So I'm gonna try and be as
As on as I possibly can
B and she said it was like, ah, no, I don't like coffee.
And then I didn't know how to transition into like, oh, wait, well, I didn't mean that.
So I just sort of let it go.
And I was like, I can't believe.
You got to be genuine, bro.
Chris, you're a likable guy, man.
You don't got to make jokes to make women like you, dude.
All you got to do is be yourself, man.
I'm saying it makes it significantly easier.
Dude, I will say, being funny is it is a serious cheat code.
It's like wild.
Yeah, trust me.
It's perfect.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
It's broken.
It's broken.
I attribute it to pretty much every single relationship I've ever had.
Oh, same.
Like without it.
Let's give some young men some advice, man, because being funny is amazing.
But something that you can also do to where if you want to know if she's interested or not,
you can use jokes as a weapon essentially by saying something that's half joke and half serious
that could be about hooking up, making out, whatever it is.
If you can make a nice joke about like, hey, like, you know, I'm just,
I'm just being very generic, but like, hey, you want to hang out and make out?
You know, like, and obviously if she's into it, she's probably going to respond in that type of way.
Or if she's not, it was just, it was just, I'm saying, it's, it's the ultimate, it's the ultimate, like, Konami Code.
No, it fucking totally works.
I don't know why you're saying.
I never used it.
I don't use it.
Like, I don't use that.
For me, I generally, it's a good, here's the thing, though, it's such a good tool, like, objectively.
It works.
Because, especially if you've built, like, a very comedic rapport, it's like, oh, what a good joke.
If you're not funny, I don't do it.
Yeah, yeah.
But if you've built, if you've built that rapport, then you can make a joke like that and it's like, ah, ha, ha, that's funny.
And then they're thinking about it, you know, so you've put it in their head, but it's not really serious.
It's not like some kind of serious commitment that needs to be made.
But it totally fucking works.
It's insane.
But also, if you're not funny, no, you're not funny, guys.
That is the killer.
That is the, that is the mood slaughterer.
If you're not funny.
No, if you think you're funny and you're not.
You can read a room.
If you can make people laugh by just saying some fuck shit, then I get it.
You're funny.
But if you're not funny, you have to understand when to stop, especially in a dating scene.
That shit gets uncomfortable fucking fast.
I've met girls that thought they were funny.
And that shit made my Bing Ping run up inside me.
And I'm like, yo, I don't want to be here right now.
I don't want to be here right now.
Oh, you're fucking killing me.
I've definitely, that's interesting because I've met.
girls who are funny who don't think they're funny and I've met girls who think they're funny
who aren't funny. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? I've never seen. You got to know. You've never
You got to know. You have to have a certain level of social awareness to understand. Anybody who's
trying to be funny upsets me kind of like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's usually people are just
natural. I'm like, oh, this person's funny because they're just saying funny shit. Like it's just
great. But you know those. We all, we all know those people that fucking try and you're like,
dude,
shut the fuck up.
It doesn't matter.
Just calm down, but.
This whole podcast is just,
this whole podcast is hosted by people
who just try all the time.
Literally.
Every fucking day.
Yeah.
We've got,
oh man,
what time is it?
We got,
we're running low on time,
actually,
right?
We probably have like a question
we could do.
We probably have a question,
yeah.
Let's get one.
Let me find one.
Oh, we can run through these
pretty quick.
Sammy Mask wrote in.
He says,
I'd love to know if any of you guys have watched or have enjoyed
Metalocalypse at all, mostly Derek, I would assume.
I've watched it.
I've watched it before.
I've seen bits and pieces, but I never actually watched it as like a show.
I don't know any of the names or like any of the plots or anything.
I just know that it exists.
I hate metal, but I love that show because I love the fucking crackhead clown.
He fucking makes me laugh my ass off.
I remember the first time I watched and I saw him.
And I was like, this guy's hilarious.
Yeah, it's pretty, the show is pretty good.
It wasn't my favorite.
I liked a lot of stuff that came out of it
I liked a lot of the music that was created
the idea of it, some of the characters
I was actually, I think in 08
I was, I did a thing for a while
where I would release songs
under different aliases like hip hop tracks
and so at one point
my name was Murderface
which is the bassist
the basis is the name of Murderface
so at one point that was my name
and I remember my uncle at one point
because he walked past me
and I was busy in my grandma's house
and he saw my MySpace page
and he was so ashamed of me
because he's such a like old school type of person
and he was like
why the fuck would you name yourself a murder face
like he was probably thinking like
I'm some fucking
you know I'm gonna like gun niggas down and shit
but I was just talking about like whatever
I was basically like some
I was like a pussy ass Drake back then
I would talk about like emotions and shit
and my name was but I'm just saying that
like that kind of inspired me
so it never was never my like favorite
but I really appreciate the show
it was pretty good.
Jackson Ab Sage
wrote and he says
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Libido account
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and Snapple
and Microsoft marketing team
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skin suit.
Christ
It's a long one for me
What the fuck was that?
Right?
What's your,
what's,
I don't even know what this means
but what's your most
Omega Chad moment or story?
Back in high school
I hooked up with a girl
and then immediately went
flawless in trials back in D1.
Oh, that's fucking dope.
Try to one up me.
that is pretty insane
that that is
that is pretty
omega chad
as far as destiny is concerned
uh
I don't know
I don't know if I have a few
but I don't I don't
I'm not proud of them
I have a few
I just don't want to talk about them
I don't like the person
I kiss this girl and then I kicked her off a mountain
and killed her in front of her mother
that's it
so Chad
so Chad so epic Chad
I definitely like had sex with a girl
and then like got up right after
after rent. She was like, where are you going? I was like, oh, I'm going to go do something fun.
And I left. What?
I'm going to go do something cool. And I left.
No, literally, you cut out.
I definitely, like, had sex with girls and, like, put my clothes back on.
He's like, oh, where are you going? Are you going to hang out? I was like, nah, I got to go to some of my homies.
And I just left.
Oh, so you just ghost, you just ghosted her.
It wasn't anything serious. She knew that. Like, I wasn't, I wasn't alluding to it.
That's not Omega Chad. That's just you're ghosting someone.
It wasn't ghosting. Like, I was like, I'm going to do something cooler than this. And I left.
That's it.
What if what if you?
What if you hooked up with a girl and she stood up,
she put her clothes on,
and you were like,
where are you going?
And she goes,
I'm going ghost and that she kills herself in your,
in your room.
Oh my God.
Like if a girl got up after fucking me.
So her ghost,
so her ghost isn't naked,
you idiot.
You're right.
I'm sorry,
Chris.
You're so smart.
Fucking trouble.
If you've never seen a ghost with like a Rick and Morty's shirt.
It's always.
It's always Victorian clothing
And like fucking old school shit
It's always a
It's either naked or it has fucking dumb stupid fucking
Chum chum chiro shit on
Do you think in a hundred years
There will be ghosts that have
Supreme clothes
Like Metallica shirt and supreme
Yeah like rice gum
Like a rice gum ghost
Oh my god
Where he's just like in supreme
And like fucking
I wish rice gum became a ghost yesterday
Is he still make
Fucking shit
Yeah he still makes
Seriously I haven't heard
I haven't heard shit about that guy.
I don't know.
Who gives a shit?
Yeah, honestly, he's the worst.
He dispected my culture
wait too many times.
I hate him.
He is the worst YouTube rapper of all time.
Ever.
Well,
Rice gum has just come up in conversation,
which means this can only really go downhill,
so I think we're going to end it here.
Sure.
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Fucked Dogs Wilson, Toby Schupeman,
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the Ghost that lived in the apartment above Chris
and Sweeney, the Blampi the Dangle, Stitschirkema,
Sweeney the Kauaiwifu, Sunny Chance, Sir Simplot,
Schronick the Swampog, Sergeant Sweaty Sack,
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Nurgle, not an FBI agent, Nick Baca,
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naked and trained to the basement?
Mike Tyson's left hook, Melfus 1 L. Culebron,
Maxwell didn't kill herself, Marcus Shorten, Les Bears' Tale,
King of Haphaazard, Kitherean David, Keith David, David,
Keith David, June's cock-gobling slut, Juan Punchman,
Josh Cummings, Jolly Old Diff shit, Joe Biden's campaign is elder abuse,
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Santonio Luciano, Hugger Derek, Horosima Spicy Mushroom, Heartless Wretch,
Haiko, Hechazol, 9, gas can, game controller 25, game like you mean it, Emperor Palpatine,
eating Chris's cake arm, Dunderhead, dummy thick Craig, Dreigser, um, Dragosaurus is only happy when it rains.
Did 9-11, deflated left ass cheek, David Conley, the dyslexic that feels Chris's pain,
Danny DeVito's Dank, Delectable Draconian Dick Resurrection, Colonel Colin, the Colin collapsing kingpin,
Cold Burb, Chris's 969 gigabytes of Coco Bandicoot hentai, Chris would be a twink if he
Heard about hygiene.
Chief Keith David.
cauliflower is Aryan broccoli.
Carson Jones.
Billy the Big Ball Brawler.
Big Dude 044.
Big Nick Digger.
Ben Douglas.
Banana 101 ASDF.
Aunt Fondley's Naked puzzle basement.
Artie the one-man party.
Please love me.
Andrew Cuomo's Andean and...
Adrenachrome factory.
All hands on Chris's throat.
Alaskan oil field trash.
Aaron Alvarez.
A level one cleric and one meter long fetus.
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