The Spy Who - The Spy Who Saved MI5 (Encore) | The Spider and the Fly | 1

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

MI5 is on its knees at the dawn of the 1970s: Soviet spies are running free around the country and the government won’t boot them out for fear of upsetting Moscow. But the danger from inact...ion is growing because a spy from the KGB’s most-secret department has just been posted to London. His name is Oleg Lyalin and he’s on a mission to take down Britain’s nuclear defences.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can binge full seasons of The Spy Who early and ad-free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app. This season of The Spy Who, we're revisiting one of our most gripping spy stories. That of Oleg Leleyn. The spy who saved MI5. A man whose actions changed the course of the Cold War, triggering the biggest expulsion of spies by any government in history. August 30th, 1971,
Starting point is 00:00:37 just after 1am in London's West End. In his patrol car, Police Constable Charles Shearer peers at a Hillman Minx driving up ahead. Its lights are off, and it's drifting from side to side. Shearer flicks on the siren. Blue light flashes across the darkened shopfront. The Hillman Minx pulls over. Shearer stops behind it and steps out of his patrol car. The hillman minks, pulls over.
Starting point is 00:01:05 Shearer stops behind it and steps out of his patrol car. As he does, the passenger door of the car he pulled over opens, an attractive blonde woman gets out and hurries away. Shearer ignores her and walks towards the stopped car. The driver winds down his window. You scared my date away, officer. Sheera looks at the driver. He's a slim, suave man with a pencil mustache and wearing an expensive suit. Have you been drinking, sir?
Starting point is 00:01:40 One or two. I'd like you to take a breathalyzer test. No, I'm not doing any tests. Then I'm arresting you for refusing to be tested. Sheera guides the driver into the back of his patrol car, starts the engine and heads for the nearest police station. Then something heavy lands on his shoulder, the drunk's feet. Shira swipes the man's feet away. Oi, what are you playing at?
Starting point is 00:02:12 The man snarls as Shira pushes away his feet. You cannot touch me. You cannot stop me. I'm KGB. Shira's body tenses. The Soviet spy agency's reputation for brutality has made it one of the most feared organizations in the world. Shearer checks the man's face in the rear view mirror. He's used to arresting big mouth drunks, but claiming to be KGB is a new one.
Starting point is 00:02:38 And the guy doesn't look like he's joking. But then Shearer shakes his head. Even in the movies, secret agents don't blurt out that they're spies. This guy's got to be just another West End drunk. Yeah, sure you are, mate. You're KGB. And this here is the Kremlin. Shira stops outside the police station and leads the drunk into the building. The custody officer looks up from his newspaper as they approach his desk. Who's your new pal, Shira?
Starting point is 00:03:13 Suspected drunk driver, but refuses to be tested. The custody officer turns to the driver. Then it's a night in the cell and caught in the morning for you. Name? Oleg Lelin. Occupation? Soviet trade official. Sheera interjects. Make your mind up. He said you were KGB a moment ago.
Starting point is 00:03:34 The custody officer frowns. He did. I better notify Special Branch. The custody officer calls Special Branch, Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism unit. As he does, Lelin staggers over to the bench in the waiting area. We've arrested a drunk who says he's a Soviet trade official and, get this, KGB. Time waster probably, but... His name? Oleg Lelin. Yes, the arresting officer's still here. Okay, understood. Right away, sir. The custody officer hangs up and stares at Shearer.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Bloody hell, Shearer. I think he is KGB. Special branch are on their way. They want him put in a cell immediately so that no one can get to him. They think someone's after him? I don't know, but they said you are not to leave the station either. Shearer wonders what kind of secrets this drooling drunk could know that would make him so vital that he needs to be locked up for his own protection. Shearer looks at Lelen.
Starting point is 00:04:44 He's sprawled face down on the bench with his eyes closed. He's silk-tied dangling onto the floor. And there's a smirk on his face. Keep people and pets safer. Always keep your dog on a leash in public. Learn more at toronto.ca slash leash your dog. A message from the City of Toronto. From Wondery, I'm Raaza Jafri, and this is The Spy Who.
Starting point is 00:05:25 Beneath the veneer of the everyday lurks the realm of the spy. It's a dank, murky world, full of dark corners, sinister motives and corroded morals. A place of paranoia and infiltration, sabotage and manipulation. In this season, we open the file on Oleg Lelin, the KGB man who triggered the biggest removal of spies by any government in history. It's a story of an overstretched security service in need of a win, a plan to unleash death and destruction on Britain's streets and a love affair that shook the world What you're about to hear are dramatized
Starting point is 00:06:13 Reconstructions based on real events and information that's been made public But remember in the shadowy world of the spy the full story isn't always clear You're listening to the spy who saveded MI5, Episode 1, The Spider and the Fly. 1969, two years before Oleg Lelen's arrest, the North York Moors. Oleg Lelen strides up the damp, windswept hillside, past thick clumps of dark purple heather. As he advances, Drizzle pelts his raincoat, and the binoculars around his neck swing side to side. He reaches the hilltop, wipes the rain from his pencil mustache, and looks around. Empty Morland stretches out in every direction. He reaches into his raincoat pocket and pulls out an egg timer. Lelen winds the timer, slips it back into his pocket and raises his binoculars to his eyes.
Starting point is 00:07:20 He sees a blurry hill in the distance. He adjusts the focus and pans across the landscape to find his target. He stops on what look like three gigantic golf balls. These are the radar stations at RAF Feilingdales, and they maintain a constant vigil for a Soviet nuclear attack. And Lelin's here to find a way to destroy them. Officially, Lelin's a Soviet trade official who buys knitwear, but he's really a KGB operative, sent to devise ways to bring Britain to its knees if war seems imminent.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Like blowing up Liverpool's docks, stoking the conflict in Northern Ireland, and destroying Britain's nuclear bombers. But RAF Filignails is his prime target. This facility gives the UK four minutes warning of a Soviet nuclear strike. Enough time for Britain to fire back. And that's why Moscow wants a way to take it out. Leland scans the facility, seeking weaknesses and assessing defences. The egg timer in his pocket screeches into life.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Leland lowers his binoculars and turns it off. It's time to move on before he attracts attention, but he'll be back. Kensington Palace Gardens, London. On a park bench with a clear view of the Soviet embassy, a surveillance officer from Britain's Domestic Intelligence Service, MI5, scatters breadcrumbs onto the ground. Pigeons fly in and land around him.
Starting point is 00:09:04 As they peck at the breadcrumbs, the MI5 officer sees a man leaving the embassy. He's also a suspected KGB officer that MI5 have codenamed Red Swan. They hope to catch him in the act of meeting an agent or collecting information from a dead drop, but he's proved adept at giving MI5 surveillance crews the slip. a dead drop, but he's proved adept at giving MI5 surveillance crews the slip. As Red Swan gets into his car, the MI5 officer radios the operations room. Red Swan is on the move, driving a blue Ford Cortina. In MI5's operations room near Regent's Park, the head of surveillance checks a huge map of London on the wall.
Starting point is 00:09:44 On the map are tiny flags that mark the location of the pursuit vehicles at his disposal, and most of them are already tailing suspected Soviet spies. He weighs his options. He's only got two vehicles free. If he sends them after Red Swan, he'll have no pursuit vehicles left. The officer feeding pigeons near the Soviet embassy radios again. He sends them after Red Swan. He'll have no pursuit vehicles left. The officer feeding pigeons near the Soviet embassy radios again. Red Swan turning west towards Lossig Hill. The surveillance chief's out of time. He grabs the radio. Vehicle 5, tail the blue Ford Cortina.
Starting point is 00:10:23 Back at Kensington Palace Gardens, the two-man crew inside MI5 surveillance vehicle 5 lets Red Swan drive past and then moves to follow. It hangs back, changing lanes and using buses for cover. As it does, the operations room directs the second MI5 vehicle through the back streets so it can take over the pursuit and reduce the chances of Red Swan spotting the tail. Red Swan heads past Notting Hill and onto the leafy streets of Holland Park. A few seconds later, the second MI5 pursuit vehicle emerges from a side road and takes over the chase. Immediately, Red Swan indicates left.
Starting point is 00:11:19 The MI5 officer in the passenger seat of the second pursuit vehicle sits up. Shit! That road loops back around. He could use it to flush us out. Red Swan turns left. The MI5 car follows. As they enter the side street, Red Swan slows to a crawl. The MI5 vehicle has no option but to keep going. Red Swan stops at the junction that leads back onto the main road and waits for the MI5 vehicle to catch up. For a moment, the two cars idle in a standoff. Then, Red
Starting point is 00:11:59 Swan pulls out onto the main road, just ahead of a stream of oncoming traffic that traps the MI5 vehicle at the junction. By the time the traffic's passed, Red Swan is gone. The MI5 officer hits the dashboard in frustration. Damn it! How? How can he have spotted us? We were barely on in ten seconds! The MI5 officer doesn't understand it. The takeover of the pursuit was flawless. There's no way Red Swan could have spotted the tail that quickly. Unless, somehow, he already knew their vehicle belonged to MI5. Oleg Leland smiles at the barmaid as she pours the last of the drinks he ordered.
Starting point is 00:12:46 It's July 1969 and he's at the Tally Ho pub in Finchley, North London. He lifts the three glasses from the bar and heads through the smoky pub towards a small table in the corner. At the table, a stern man in a suit sits waiting, cradling a birthday present. This dying man in a suit sits waiting, cradling a birthday present. His name is Vlad, and like Lelin, he's a KGB officer, posing as a Soviet trade delegate. Lelin places the drinks on the table and sits next to Vlad,
Starting point is 00:13:16 so they both have a clear view of the entrance. They're here to meet Seroj Abdul Khadir. Vlad's been running Abdul Khadir as an agent for two years, and today, Leland takes over as his handler. What's Siraj like? Vlad keeps staring ahead at the pub's entrance. Compliant? Bitter?
Starting point is 00:13:38 His father is a prominent judge in Malaysia. He came here to study law but failed his exams. His family told him to stay, but he struggled because few English wanted to rent a room to an Asian. Now he's a lowly clerk in vehicle licensing. All of which led him to socialism. Leland nods. So he's angry at being born into a life of great promise that never came to pass and thinks his job's below him. Yes. So now we give him purpose.
Starting point is 00:14:11 And he's very useful. He can jerk vehicles we suspect are MI5 without arousing suspicion. He has security clearance. No, but knowing which vehicles he can't access the details of pretty much tells us which ones belong to British intelligence Now he's here Let in looks at the short man in his mid-30s who's just entered the pub He's clean shaven with a prominent nose and short black hair Vlad waves at him
Starting point is 00:14:41 Siraj my friend sit sit We already have your drink. This is the friend I told you about. Alex. Abdul Khadir shakes Leland's hand. Pleased to meet you, Alex. Leland smiles. Alex is the alias he uses when the agency runs. Good to meet you too, Siraj.
Starting point is 00:15:02 Vlad hands Abdul Khadir the gift. This is from us for your birthday. You've remembered? Of course, please open it. Abdul Khadir opens the gift. Inside is an expensive electric razor. Thank you, this is very kind. It reflects your contribution to our mutual struggle
Starting point is 00:15:22 against the imperialists. Yes, down with the British swine." The three men clink their glasses. Vlad looks Abdul Khadir in the eyes. "'Zerozh, I have some news. I must return to Moscow. This will be the last time we shall meet. Alex will work with you from now on." Leland smiles at Abdul Khadir.
Starting point is 00:15:45 He's only just met him, but Leland's already got plans for this malleable agent. Plans that go well beyond checking vehicle registrations, so the KGB can spot when MI5's cars are following them. Plans that will help Leland figure out how to neutralise Britain's defences. figure out how to neutralize Britain's defenses. Westminster, London. Sir Martin Furnival Jones pauses to light his pipe. He's in a meeting room, deep inside the palatial Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
Starting point is 00:16:25 It was built at the height of the British Empire, but now it's tired and worn. Its finely decorated walls have been covered over with plasterboard and its ceilings yellow from tobacco smoke. The whole place needs restoration, and that's something Furnival Jones can relate to. He's 58, with crow's feet around his eyes. His tweed jacket and knitted cardigan look shabby next to the tailored suits of the Foreign Office officials he's here to meet. But beneath his relaxed exterior, Fernval Jones is a man with a burning mission. He's been the Director General of Britain's Internal Security Service, MI5, for three years and from the moment he got the job, he's wanted to rid the nation's streets He's been the Director General of Britain's Internal Security Service, MI5, for three years. And from the moment he got the job, he's wanted to rid the nation's streets of Soviet spies.
Starting point is 00:17:14 He removes his pipe from his mouth. There are almost 500 Soviet officials in our country. And about half of them are intelligence officers. We need to kick them out." The Foreign Office officials look unmoved. Furnable Jones isn't surprised. Inaction is their default setting. One official replies,
Starting point is 00:17:34 We limited the size of the Soviet embassy last autumn. Furnable Jones nods, Yes. So now they're just filling their trade mission with spies instead. You and I both know the trade figures don't justify the recent expansion of their trade mission, then expose them. That is MI5's job, is it not? We're outnumbered three to one.
Starting point is 00:17:54 We cannot track them all. Besides, whenever we expel one spy, they simply send us another. A mass expulsion of their intelligence officers is the only way to get this under control. The official frowns. That would seriously harm relations with the Soviets at a very delicate time. Relations are thawing. The Cold War could be resolved peacefully. The Soviets are indicating they might agree to trade deals or arms controls. And what, in return for these maybes we let their spies run wild on our streets? We only have your word on that. And that's not enough. Furnival Jones says nothing. The officials aren't listening.
Starting point is 00:18:36 MI5's reputation is still shot from its failure to expose Kim Philby and the rest of the Soviet Cambridge Five spy ring that infiltrated Britain's foreign intelligence service MI6. But Furnival Jones knows that beyond these walls the Soviet threat is growing and MI5 is in no position to stop it. What he needs is an agent inside the KGB, someone who can expose what's going on and finally shock the politicians into action. But since MI5s never managed to recruit someone inside the KGB before, that's like asking for a miracle. It's December 1969 and the opening party for the new Soviet trade delegation complex in Highgate, London is underway.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Around the room, British businessmen and politicians mingle with Soviet trade officials, sipping drinks and trading jokes. In one corner, Oleg Lelin's secretary, Irina Tepliakova, sips champagne. She's a 29-year-old mum with her blonde hair cut into a fashionable bob, and she's sandwiched between Lelin and her husband. This year's grain harvest was even worse than last year. This means there is... Tepliakova listens as her husband tells Lelin about his work as a wheat buyer. She wonders if Lelin's as bored as she is with her husband's chatter. Tabliakova notices a change in mood at the other end of the room. She cranes her neck to see what's happening
Starting point is 00:20:21 and sees a man with jowly cheeks and silver hair shaking people's hands. Is that Harold Wilson? Her husband stops talking and turns to look at the British Prime Minister. Hmm, yeah, it is. My glass is empty. I'll get more drinks. Leland moves closer to Teplikova as her husband leaves. Would you like to meet him?
Starting point is 00:20:42 Teplikova stares at Leland. Harold Wilson? Yeah. You know him? Nopliakova stares at Lelin. Harold Wilson? Yeah. You know him? No. Well, it's no problem. Do you want to meet him? I shouldn't.
Starting point is 00:20:51 No, he's silly. Come. Lelin places his hand on the smold of Tepliakova's back. She feels a frisson of excitement at his touch. No, he won't want to meet me. Of course he would. What man wouldn't want to meet a woman as beautiful as you?
Starting point is 00:21:07 Tepliakova smiles, but then sees her husband returning. She pulls away from Lelin. Her husband arrives and hands out the glasses. She makes eye contact with Lelin as they sip their drinks. Then Lelin strains his back. Well, I'm off to meet Wilson. You two coming? Tepeljikova's husband replies.
Starting point is 00:21:29 No, we'll stay here. Tepeljikova watches Lelen walk away and wishes she was going with him. Siraj Abdul-Hadir tenses as his train pulls into London Waterloo station. It's February 1970 and he's just made a round trip to the naval city of Portsmouth. As the platform rolls into view, he tightens his grip on his newspaper. Inside its folds, he's hidden a flattened beer can. Leland called him this morning and told him to go to Portsmouth and collect this can from behind a tombstone.
Starting point is 00:22:10 This is the second time he's done this for Lelin. He assumes it's a dead drop. He's read about them. They're when spies hide information in prearranged places for other spies to collect, which makes Abdul Khadir wonder if he's now a KGB spy. He's not sure what secrets are in the beer can. He peered into it but only saw a few stones and he doesn't dare investigate further. He never worried about checking vehicle registrations,
Starting point is 00:22:37 but these new missions make him anxious. Abdul Khadir opens the train door, steps onto the platform, and heads towards the concourse. He sees Leland ahead. He's standing still and motionless as the crowd swirls around him. Leland smiles as Abdul Khadir approaches. Siraj, did you have a successful trip? Um, yes, it was where you said it would be. And your trip was uneventful? Yes, Lelin glances at Abdul Qadir's folded up newspaper.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Abdul Qadir gets the hint. Oh, yes, they're here. Abdul Qadir feels relief as Lelin takes the newspaper and the beer can hidden within its pages. Will you want me to do this again? Maybe next week, or the week after. I'll tell you when. What's in the beer can? Something to do with the navy?
Starting point is 00:23:37 No, I can't tell you. But rest assured, it's important for our struggle. Couldn't you collect these cans yourself? I'm afraid not, but I appreciate your help. Lelin places a hand on Abdelkadeer's shoulder. I don't like doing this. Lelin leans towards Abdelkadeer. My friend, it's better you don't argue. Otherwise, bad things will happen to you.
Starting point is 00:24:08 Painful things. Abdul Khadir shivers. He doesn't doubt Lalin for a moment, and he senses that it's already too late to walk away. October 1970, the Soviet Embassy, Kensington Palace Gardens. In a small room with dark wood panels on the walls inside the Soviet Embassy, British Foreign Secretary Sir Alec Douglas Hume takes a seat. Sir Alec is a 67-year-old elder statesman with a taut face and short, thin wisps of grey hair that hug the back of his head. He embodies British aristocracy. He became an Earl at 15, went to Eton and Oxford, and became Prime Minister for a year before losing the 1964 election. Then, five months ago, Edward Heath led the conservatives back to
Starting point is 00:25:06 power and made Sir Alec foreign secretary. Now, Sir Alec wants to do something about the Soviet spy problem. He's alarmed at MI5's reports of the KGB running around the country stealing secrets and trying to infiltrate the government. So he's asked for a private chat with the Soviet Foreign Minister Andrei Gromyko, who's visiting London. Gromyko shuts the door. So, Sir Alec, what is this about? Sir Alec looks uncomfortable. It's an unseemly topic, I'm afraid.
Starting point is 00:25:41 You've nominated a Mr. Kudashkin to join your embassy here. He was previously implicated in intelligence activities in the United States. I trust we can agree that his visa application lapsed. Kromiko's face darkens. I know nothing about this case, but he is probably a victim of the practice of fake information being planted against Soviet officials. Regretfully, this is no isolated incident. We believe at least 300 Soviet officials in our country are involved in suspect activities. These figures cannot be true because the Soviet Union does not have spies.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Maybe you should put your complaint in writing. Gromiko opens the door to indicate this conversation is over. Sir Alec burns with humiliation as he returns to the official dinner he's here to attend. But what stings most is the sense of powerlessness. MI5 wants the spies thrown out, but Sir Alec knows Moscow will retaliate in kind. And with more Soviet representatives in London than British officials in Moscow, tit-for-tat expulsions will only end in victory for the USSR.
Starting point is 00:27:00 Then there's Berlin. Since World War II, Britain, France and America have controlled the west of the city, much to the frustration of the Soviets who want it subsumed into communist East Germany. But now, after 25 years of struggle over the city, talks to settle Berlin's future are underway. If Sir Alec falls out with the Soviets now, it could derail those talks and Britain would be blamed. What Sir Alec needs is leverage. Something that can put the Soviets on the back foot and give him the cover he needs to kick out the spies in Britain's midst. Two months later, and at the offices of the Soviet import-export agency Razno in Regent Street, London, the receptionist smiles as Oleg Lele arrives.
Starting point is 00:27:55 She's new to the job, but Lele's already a highlight. She thinks he's fun, charming, and that his pencil mustache is rather dashing. She waves to him. Morning, Oleg. Lelin moves towards her but trips over the doormat. He grabs onto the reception desk just in time to avoid falling face first onto the floor. He winks at the receptionist. Seems I'm drunk again.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Dutch. Don't tell anyone. Lelen looks at the receptionist. Say what are you doing at lunchtime? Uh, nothing. Then you must come for lunch with me. Be ready at noon. The receptionist watches Lelen walk into his office, then turns to see one of the Soviet
Starting point is 00:28:43 women glaring at her. Don't think you're anything special. He chants up everyone. and walk into his office, then turns to see one of the Soviet women glaring at her. Don't think you're anything special. He chats up everyone. The typist sat nearby chimes in. He's married too. The Soviet woman snorts. Ha, tell that to Irina Teplikova.
Starting point is 00:28:57 The women laugh. The receptionist wonders who Irina Tebleyakova is. It's January 1971, and at the dimly lit Celebrity Club in London's Mayfair, scantily clad dancers perform that night's cabaret. And at one table, Irina Teblyakova sips champagne and looks into Oleg Levin's dark eyes. Levin leans in for a kiss. Teblyakova pulls back, but someone might see us. Leon looks around who I don't know We're not in Moscow now, but we're both married to other people Lennon flags down a waiter
Starting point is 00:29:53 Another bottle of champagne, please The waiter glances at the table on it are the remains of an expensive meal and several empty bottles Lennon's bill for tonight is already more than the average Briton earns every month. I need to check, sir. It's on the tab of the Moscow and their ordinary bank. Oh, very good, sir. Tabliakova sips her drink as Leland turns to watch the cabaret. She's never tasted life like this. It's a life unthinkable in Moscow, and she knows that one day she will be ordered home,
Starting point is 00:30:24 never to taste it again. Desire rises within her. She reaches out and turns Lelin's face away from the dancers and towards her. You should be looking at me. Lelin places her hand on her knee. Their eyes meet, and they kiss. A few weeks later. In a London flat with few furnishings, two MI5 surveillance officers sit in the dark,
Starting point is 00:31:01 watching for signs of movement from the apartment block across the road. The apartment block is owned by the USSR, and MI5 keeps a constant watch on this building to help it track Soviet activity in London. The younger one picks up his mug and takes a sip of tea. Ugh, it's cold. The older officer leans forward towards the window. Forget the tea, we've got movement. The young officer grabs his camera and peers out of the window.
Starting point is 00:31:35 Through the glass panels of the apartment block's entrance, he can see the hallway lights been turned on. The two officers watch as the door opens. A man with a thin moustache steps onto the street. A moment later, a woman with a blonde bob haircut follows. The younger officer takes a photo of the couple. He recognized them. The guy's Oleg Lelin, trade delegate, buys socks. Sure he does. The younger officer takes another photo of the couple as they turn to talk to each other. And the woman?
Starting point is 00:32:08 The older MI5 officer looks again at the woman as she and Lelen embrace. Not sure, but it's past midnight and they're saying goodbye, so she's probably not his wife. The younger officer smiles and leans forward to take another photo as Leland and the blonde kiss. February 1971, an MI5 safe house in London. Leland stares at the photographs spread out across the kitchen table, photo after photo of him and Irina Tepliakova. Drinking, dancing, embracing, kissing, touching. Photos taken over several days. All undeniable proof of his affair with the wife of another KGB officer. It's enough to destroy his career and get him sent back to Moscow in disgrace. At best.
Starting point is 00:33:06 The middle-aged MI5 officer with the beard who handed the photos to him leans forward. How about you just skip this I'm not a spy charade. We know you're not a trade delegate. You are KGB. We also know that her husband is KGB. And you and I both know it won't end well for you if these photos found their way to your superiors in Moscow. Lenin looks up from the photos. You got anything to drink? The MI5 officer checks the cupboard, finds a can of beer and puts it on the table.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Lenin hoped for something stronger, but it'll do. on the table. Leland hoped for something stronger, but it'll do. He opens the can and gulps down the warm liquid. Leland knows how this works. The MI5 man with the beard is the spider, and he's now the fly caught in its web. If the British share these photos with his superiors, his life will be ruined. There's only one path open to him right now. Cooperation. He looks at the MI5 man. Very well. So, yes, I am KGB.
Starting point is 00:34:19 And I'm willing to defect and tell you what I know. The MI5 man leans forward. Actually, Oleg, we don't want you to defect. We want you right where you are. In the KGB, but working for us. Leland nods. It asked the same if it was the other way round. Then I have conditions.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Majar, I want a safe house where Irina and I can go. And when, if the time comes, you let me and Irina defect together. We also need to talk about money and protection." The Mi-5 man nods. After years of being infiltrated and outnumbered by the Soviets, British intelligence finally has a man on the inside of the KGB. And that changes everything. For years the KGB has been running rings around MI5, but now it's finally got a chance to strike back and sabotage the Soviet spy machine.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Wondery Plus subscribers can binge full seasons of The Spy Who early and ad free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app. From Wondery, this is the first episode in our four-part series, The Spy Who Saved MI5. A quick note about our dialogue. We can't know everything that was said or done behind closed doors, particularly far back in history, but our scenes are written using the best available sources. So even if a scene or conversation has been recreated for dramatic effect, it's still based on biographical research. The Spy Who is hosted by me, Raza Jafri. Our show is produced by Vespucci, with writing and story editing by Yellow Ant for Wondery. For Yellow Ant, this episode was researched by Marina Watson, Karen Lowe is our story editor and our managing producer is Jay Priest.
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