The Spy Who - The Spy Who Wouldn't Lie | Liberté | 4

Episode Date: May 20, 2024

After months on the run Noor Inayat Khan's luck takes a turn for the worse. But she doesn't go down without a fight - and the Nazis soon discover that the Indian princess can draw blood....Listen to The Spy Who on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/the-spy-who now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wondery Plus subscribers can binge full seasons of The Spy Who early and ad-free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app. October 13th, 1943. Noor Anayat Khan steps out of her apartment building on the Rue de la Faisandrie in central Paris. It's a cold, sunny morning. The sun is rising, the shadows shrinking, but Kahn is tired. Ever since she arrived in France,
Starting point is 00:00:35 she's been losing friends and colleagues to Gestapo arrests. The collapse of the Prosper spy network has left Britain's special operations executive almost totally blind in Paris. Only her radio transmissions provide London with fleeting glimpses into the occupied city. This is Khan's last day in Paris. Tomorrow she will catch the train to the airfield where, under the cover of darkness, she'll fly back to the safety of Britain. One day to kill. One day to kill. One day to survive.
Starting point is 00:01:11 Khan pauses in front of a shop window and checks her appearance in the glass. In the new blue trouser suit, she looks like a model secretary. She checks the scene behind her in the reflection. A stocky man passes. Then a woman with a pram. Satisfied, Khan continues walking. A car exhaust backfires, sending pigeons scattering into the sky. Khan flinches, then regains her composure. Next left, she decides. As she turns the corner, she looks over her left shoulder,
Starting point is 00:01:48 her training now as instinctive as breath. She sees them immediately. Two men, tall, unmistakably Gestapo, unmistakably tailing her. Kahn breaks into a run. She is wearing plimsolls for this exact eventuality. The street is busy. She darts between pedestrians. Excusez-moi, désolé. Run, don't hide. That's what her SOE instructors told her.
Starting point is 00:02:19 But even though she's fast, she won't outrun these two. Besides, there are dozens of shops. They'll assume she's taken a side alley. The newsagent? No, too small. The pharmacy? Too empty. Calm dives into a bakery. The shop assistant behind the counter greets her. Bonjour, madame. What can I get you? A croissant, please. Also, café au lait? While the shop assistant prepares her drink, Khan ducks down, as if to adjust one of her socks. She glances up, and through the window,
Starting point is 00:02:53 she sees her two pursuers stride past, focused on what's ahead. It's a few hours later, and Khan's sitting at the back of a cafe a few blocks from her apartment. A lukewarm coffee sits on the table, still half full, and her fourth of the afternoon. The waiter approaches. Mademoiselle, anything else? The bill, perhaps? Yes, of course, the bill, please. She bites her lip as she stares into the street. On the pavement outside, customers sit around tables playing chess, drinking coffee and reading newspapers.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Life in Paris goes on, but Khan cannot relax. She could just get on the train that will carry her away from all of this. But her notebook is back at the apartment. And if the Gestapo get hold of it, all her contacts will be in danger. It's a risk she must take. She will be quick. Two minutes. Take the notebook, then get out of Paris. She places three coins on the table, steps into the frigid October air, and begins walking toward her apartment. So, get this. The Ontario Liberals elected Bonnie Crombie as their new leader. Bonnie who? I just sent you her profile. Her first act as leader, asking donors for a million bucks for her salary.
Starting point is 00:04:21 That's excessive. She's a big carbon tax supporter. Oh yeah. Check out her record as mayor. Oh, get out of here. She even increased taxes in this economy. Yeah, higher taxes, carbon taxes. She sounds expensive. Bonnie Crombie and the Ontario Liberals. They just don't get it.
Starting point is 00:04:37 That'll cost you. A message from the Ontario PC Party. From Wondery, I'm Indra Varma, and this is The Spy Who. In the last episode, the Gestapo used the radio of two captured Canadian agents to fool the SOE into exposing the surviving members of its spy network in Paris, only for Noor Anayat Khan to escape their clutches again. But now, Renée Garry, the sister of the head of the SOE spy ring in Paris, has told the Gestapo where Khan's hiding in return for 100,000 francs. You're listening to The Spy Who Wouldn't Lie,
Starting point is 00:05:28 Episode 4, Liberté. The afternoon of October 13th, 1943, Paris. Kahn creeps up the stairwell to her first-floor apartment. She places her ear to the apartment's front door and listens. Silence. The corridor's empty. There's no sign of a forced entry. Khan opens the door to her apartment and peers inside. She sees her letters scattered on the sideboard.
Starting point is 00:06:04 Her spare coat hangs on the stand. The suitcase containing her radio is still by the chest of drawers in the sitting room. Everything's just as it was when she left it this morning. Her sense of relief gives way to a new sense of urgency. The notebook. She steps inside. A French policeman lunges at Khan from his hiding place behind the door. As he grabs her arm, Khan aims a blow at his neck.
Starting point is 00:06:32 No! The policeman grabs Khan's arm before it strikes. He tries to force her wrist down so he can cuff her. Khan lowers her head and sinks her teeth into his arm. The policeman shakes his arm, trying to force Khan to let go, but she only bites down harder. Get off me! He drops the handcuffs to the ground and, with his free hand, unholsters his gun. He thrusts the barrel into Khan's ribs.
Starting point is 00:06:59 Let go or I shoot! Khan steps back, his blood on her teeth and around her mouth. You animal. Fuck. The policeman glances at his arm. Blood is dripping off his hand and landing in crimson splats on the floor. He nods towards the sitting room. In there.
Starting point is 00:07:17 On the sofa where I can see you. Khan backs away, eyes full of fury. You're French. Yet you work for the Nazis. you fascist pig, you traitor. Shut up. Just let me go. This time tomorrow, I'll be on a plane. This time tomorrow, you'll be in a prison cell and I'll be pocketing my bonus. As Khan licks his blood from her teeth, the policeman sidesteps toward the telephone on the sideboard. With a gun pointed at her, he lifts the receiver and squeezes it between his cheek and shoulder. Khan watches from the sofa as he dials the number for Gestapo headquarters.
Starting point is 00:07:55 Someone on the other end of the line picks up. Forked, I've got her. Yeah, she matches the description. Be quick, she's feral. Half an hour later, Gestapo headquarters, 84 Avenue 1st, Paris. Keep still. Salbush! Release me! Is taken four agents to escort Khan 700 meters from her apartment to here.
Starting point is 00:08:23 Someone grab her legs. We'll carry her up. Khan kicks violently at her captors, but they overpower her. Each man grabs one of her limbs. She is tired. Her limbs ache, and as the adrenaline begins to subside, she feels the bruises forming on her legs and wrists. She lets her body relax to form a dead weight.
Starting point is 00:08:46 She isn't going to make this easy. As she's carried up four flights of stairs, Khan looks up at the intricately decorated ceiling. Damn Nazis, she thinks, taking over every good and beautiful thing in this world. They lead her in handcuffs, her body still shaking in anxiety and dismay, into a plush office. Inside, a man in his early forties sits at a long desk beneath a glittering chandelier. A guard shoves her into the chair on the opposite side of his desk.
Starting point is 00:09:21 The man smiles at Kahn. Welcome, Madeleine. Or should I call you Jeanne-Marie? I am Ernest Forcht, the Gestapo senior interrogator. You have given us quite the runaround. Kahn spits in Forcht's direction. A globule of her saliva lands on the desk. He glances at it with distaste. He looks back at Khan and notices the dark patches of dried blood on her dress. Well, that is not becoming of an English lady. You are an English lady, are you not? Khan glares at Forked without answering.
Starting point is 00:10:04 You fight well, I'll give you that. The policeman will need stitches. But it's over, Noor. Yes, we know your real name. We also have your radio. Forked pats at the leather suitcase containing Kahn's radio equipment, which is now positioned on his desk. Beside it, she spies her notebook.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Forked notices her agitation. And, yes, your very useful notebook too. You know nothing. On the contrary, I know a great deal. Your friend Norman told us everything, and even if he hadn't, Henri Derricourt works for us. We knew about you the moment you landed and buried your little pistol. Oh, you don't believe me? See here, he photographed every letter you gave him to send home to your mother.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Forked slides a sheaf of letters across the desk toward Kahn. She recognizes her own handwriting. Tears gather in her eyes. She squeezes them away. The more you tell me now, the less I will have to hurt your friends later. So let's start at the beginning. When were you assigned the codename Madeline? Kahn stares at Forkt with stony eyes.
Starting point is 00:11:22 I will tell you what you want to know. But first I will clean myself up. I need a bathroom and a towel. Forked smiles. He stands and walks around to the front of his desk and helps her to her feet. Good. Cooperation is kinder on us both. Follow me.
Starting point is 00:11:43 Forked leads Khan to the bathroom. He opens the door and stands back to allow her to pass in front of him. Inside the doorway, Khan turns to face her captor. Are you planning to watch, you pervert? Forked furrows his brow. He is uncertain of the protocol for female spies. After a moment's deliberation, he gives a short, sharp nod and closes the bathroom door to give Khan some privacy. Inside the bathroom, Khan takes stock of her surroundings.
Starting point is 00:12:15 She turns on both taps, then steps across the bathroom to the window. She peers down. From the fourth floor, it's a long drop, but there's a sizable ledge and From the fourth floor, it's a long drop. But there's a sizable ledge, and on the floors below, similar potential footholds. Khan gives the window a push.
Starting point is 00:12:33 It creaks open. Yes! Khan squeezes out of the window and places her feet on the ledge below. From outside, the drop seems higher. If she slips, she will be unlikely to survive the fall. She shuffles along the sill, trying to peer far enough over the side to see whether she might be able to safely drop down to the ledge on the floor below, but it's three meters down and too narrow
Starting point is 00:13:05 to fall onto safely. As she ponders her next move, a window a little farther along the wall creaks open. Forked leans out. Noor, Khan looks between Forked and the ground below. The Gestapo interrogator extends his hand through the window, close enough for her to reach. Take my hand. Let's talk this through. No. Think of your mother. Shut up. Think of the officer who will have to visit her and tell her what you did and how you fell to your death. Think of her face when she learns the news. There is another way. Take my hand.
Starting point is 00:13:46 Khan stares at the pavement far below. One step, then oblivion. No more secrets left to share. But then she hesitates. She thinks of her mother. Of her brother, Villayet, and sister, Claire. Of the home in which she grew up just a few miles from here. She thinks of the Paris she once knew, free of the scourge of Nazism, and of how this is a Paris that might return after the war.
Starting point is 00:14:15 She tentatively extends her hand towards Fort. He grasps at her wrist, then firmly draws her toward him and the open window. That's it. This way. Two more steps. Forked hauls her inside and sets her down on the floor. Then all of the stress of the past four months rises in her chest. She sees the faces of the friends and colleagues who have disappeared. She imagines Norman bound to a chair
Starting point is 00:14:45 under the hot light of interrogation. She feels a stab of guilt. She should have stepped off the ledge. Coward! All the pent-up emotion breaks and she silently sobs. Four days later, the offices of the SOE Baker Street, London. Maurice Buckmaster, the head of the French section, raises an eyebrow
Starting point is 00:15:13 as the agency's top cryptographer, Leo Marx, enters his office. What is it, Marx? It's about Norsa, and I'm afraid it's bad news. Buckmaster sinks back into his seat. What now? Her message said she'd missed the plane. Not a problem. She'll get a place on the next flight. She sent another message.
Starting point is 00:15:34 What? Why? We told her not to transmit. I'm not sure it's her. The transmission is flawless, as usual, and the style is like hers, but... But she included an 18-letter phrase in her message. That was our failsafe, and only she and I knew of it. An 18-letter phrase means she's either transmitting under duress or that someone's impersonating her. I know, Noor. She wouldn't do this by mistake.
Starting point is 00:16:02 Buckmaster frowns. He recalls Khan's dummy interrogations in England. The mistakes she would make when sending her signals, the long discussions about whether she was up to the job. You're overreacting, Marx. She is under pressure. Who wouldn't make a small mistake like that in those circumstances? No, sir. She doesn't make mistakes anymore. And even if she did, she knows not to make that one. I think she may be compromised or captured. Perhaps it's not her sending us messages, but the Germans. Well, let's suppose you're right. What then? It's not like we can break her out of a Gestapo cell. Keep the line of communication open until we can be sure.
Starting point is 00:16:46 She's asked for equipment. Fine, just... just don't send any secrets. Marks nods and leaves. Buckmaster is probably right. There isn't much else to be done. But it doesn't loosen the knot in his stomach. November 1943, Gestapo headquarters, Paris. In her cell, Khan taps out a Morse code message to the prisoner in the adjacent cell and waits. After a few moments, she hears the muffled response.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Khan doesn't have any paper to jot down the incoming letters, but in her mind she transforms the sounds into letters, the letter into words, and the words into meaning. The next-door prisoner is a Frenchman, an officer in the resistance, Colonel Fay, someone she can trust. When his tapping stops, Khan takes a moment to compose her reply. Then she begins to tap out the letters. E-S-C-A-P-E. Escape.
Starting point is 00:18:13 After a few days of tapping out messages, Khan has established a three-way communication with Colonel Fay and a British SOE agent named Captain Star who is in the cell opposite hers. The trio have also figured out a way to covertly exchange notes, which is a safer means of communication than tapping out messages in Morse code, which could be overheard. Khan heads to her cell door. Guard, I need the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:18:43 This way. In the stall of their shared bathroom, Khan lifts the lid of the toilet cistern. Tucked inside, away from the water, she finds a small folded note. She folds it into the waistband of her navy blue slacks and flushes the chain to mask the sound of her replacing the lid. Later that night, Khan reads the message in the moonlight
Starting point is 00:19:08 from the small barred window in the ceiling of her cell. It's a message from Captain Star. There is a small window in the ceiling of my room. Three iron bars attached to a wooden frame. It's loose. Screwdriver. Stool. Khan looks up at her own skylight. The bars above her head are also attached to a frame. If they could get a screwdriver, they could loosen the plaster that holds it in place.
Starting point is 00:19:37 A few days later, the cellmates hear the whir of an industrial vacuum cleaner trundling back and forth in a nearby corridor. Bloody thing. Captain Starr and his cellmates listen as the cleaner attempts to restart the vacuum. Damn it. Really gone this time. Captain Starr presses himself to his cell door. Guard! Excuse me, guard!
Starting point is 00:20:04 Captain Starr has convinced the Gestapo that he's a model prisoner. They trust him so much that they now ask him to check the English in the messages they plan to send the SOE in London on the radios of captured agents. What do you want, Starr? That machine, the vacuum. I can fix that for you. A handyman as well as a spy. Wherever do you find the time, Star? The guard watches Star as he rifles through a toolbox, then fiddles with the insides of the cleaner. Star leans across the floor to plug the machine into a nearby socket. As he does, he covers a small screwdriver with his leg. Impressive. Do you repair panzer tanks as well? Star looks up at
Starting point is 00:20:46 the guard with a broad smile. As he replaces the tools into the box with his right hand, he pockets the small screwdriver with his left. It's several nights since Star swiped the screwdriver. Now he, Khan, and Faye are chipping away at the plaster that holds the bars on their ceiling window in place. They pass the screwdriver back and forth between them via the lavatory, each spending a few nights chiseling away at the plaster in their cell before passing it on. Tonight, it's Khan's turn to use the screwdriver. She's shorter than the men and struggles to reach the frame in the ceiling.
Starting point is 00:21:26 She stands on tiptoe on the edge of her bed, working the screwdriver back and forth as plaster dust falls onto her face. Ah! Khan stretches higher, loses her footing and falls from the bed, landing hard on her ankle. The guard comes running. What's going on in there? My ankle! As the guard tries to unlock her cell,
Starting point is 00:21:46 Khan hides the screwdriver under her bed and conjures up a lie. What happened? I'm just so depressed. I want to end it. Typical. I can't even do that properly. The guard helps Khan onto her bed. He doesn't notice the holes in the plaster on the ceiling or the fine coating of white dust on the floor. It's a few days later, and after a month of preparation and planning,
Starting point is 00:22:14 the bars on the ceiling windows in all three cells are now loose enough to be pulled free, and three prisoners have agreed to escape tonight at 2am. Khan sits on the edge of her bed and checks her watch. It's time. She carefully steps onto the bed and reaches up. At full stretch, her fingers can just close around the bars. She gives them a sharp tug, and the window frame comes loose. Khan shakes the plaster from her face and places the frame and the bars carefully underneath her bed.
Starting point is 00:22:50 She stretches up to reach the opening, but can't reach it. Shit! Khan considers jumping from her bed to try to catch the edge of the opening, but then Captain Star's face appears in the opening framed by stars in the sky behind no i presume star reaches down through the opening khan grabs his arm and a star hoists her into the air uses her legs to pull herself through the space where the bard window used to be she emerges into the cool night and sees the smiling faces of her two co-conspirators. We did it! Not quite.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Fate, do you have the bedsheet rope? Good. Keep low and follow me. The three agents creep along the rooftop. Suddenly, an air raid siren begins to scream. Star slaps his head. Blast! Did the RAF really have to choose this precise moment to attack Paris? They'll check our cells. They always do after an air raid. You're right. We must move. Starr stops and points. Down there, an open window.
Starting point is 00:23:59 The agents tie their makeshift rope to a piece of masonry. Faye lowers himself down until he reaches the ledge of an open window in the hallway of a building adjacent to the Gestapo's HQ. He swings his body forward and hoists himself inside. Star and Kahn follow. The three escapees tiptoe down the apartment building's staircase. In the ground floor hallway, Kahn cracks open the front door and peeks outside. Damn it! The police are blocking the road.
Starting point is 00:24:30 No exit at the other end. It's a cul-de-sac. We're trapped! Star leans over Khan so he can see too. Well, we can't stay here. They'll be sweeping the buildings on this block already. There's a little tree cover. Want to go first, Faye?
Starting point is 00:24:46 I'll do my best. Worst case scenario, see you back in the cells. Adieu. Faye pushes past Kahn and Starr. Crouch runs towards a tree next to the road. Before he can press his body against the trunk, however,
Starting point is 00:25:00 a policeman spots him. You! Stop where you are! Faye shouts to the others as police and Gestapo officers rush him. Run! But it's already too late. Within seconds, the Gestapo surround all three agents, their weapons level.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Early 1944. Pforzheim Prison, southwest Germany. In a cell, French resistance member Yolande Lagrave and her two cellmates are knitting to pass the time. They've just got back from their morning walk around the prison yard, and Lagrave's spotted something unusual. Did you see? Outside cell one? One of her cellmates sits up. Yes, a tray. I knew someone was in there. Why do they never let her out? Whoever she is, she must be so alone in there. I know. La Grave's cellmate nods and focuses on her knitting. She looks at the metal needles and then at the empty soup bowls that the guards have yet to collect.
Starting point is 00:26:25 What if we scratch a message to her on the bottom of one of these bowls? It might take a few days, but eventually the bowl will end up in her cell and she'll get our message. She could write back the same way. Genius! We must do it. She needs hope now. The war can't last much longer. She just needs to hang on. The women use their knitting needles to scratch out a message on the bowl. There are three French women in cell number 12. After a few days, they get a message back.
Starting point is 00:26:58 It reads, You are not alone. You have a friend in cell one. Several weeks later. Quick, come look, they're opening cell one. La Grave's cellmates rush to join her at the window of their cell. They huddle, straining to catch a glimpse of the mysterious occupant of cell one. The three women watch as the guard steps aside and Noor Anayat Khan shuffles out of her cell.
Starting point is 00:27:33 She's emaciated and dressed in sackcloth, her ankles and hands chained together. God, poor thing. She can hardly walk. See the sores on her ankles? They never take the chains off. She's tiny though. How dangerous can she be? They are animals. Let's give her some encouragement. La Grave starts to applaud. The others join in. Keep going. Don't give up. Khan looks up towards the source of the applause and smiles. Smiles. March 1944. SOE offices, Baker Street, London.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Chief cryptographer Leo Marx is in his office decoding a message from an agent when there's a knock at the door. Come in. Sir, I have grave news. France Antelme and the other agents we flew out to France last night. They were arrested on arrival. The Germans knew they were coming. I see. Give me a moment, please.
Starting point is 00:28:35 Very good, sir. As the officer leaves, Marx rests his head in his hands. He knows what this means. Last night's flight was arranged via radio communications with Kahn. His hunch was correct. Whomever the SOE has been communicating with over the past few months is not Kahn. The Germans have her radio and her codes. So it follows they have her. He whispers a prayer for her and the captured agents. September 1944, southeast Germany. Kahn stares from the train window. It's dark outside, but the outline of the Swabian Mountains is visible against the starry sky. Her eyes refocus on her reflection in the window. Ten months chained in solitary confinement
Starting point is 00:29:34 in Pforzheim prison have taken their toll. Your food. Kahn's attention snaps back into the carriage. A German guard places a tray of food on the table. She's sitting with three other women, all captured SOE agents like her. One of them, who Khan trained alongside in England, distributes the plates among the group. Bon appétit. Khan can't muster a reply.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Months in solitary have robbed her of the ability to make small talk. The woman who handed out the plates notices her stupor she places a hand on Khan's arm it's the first kind-hearted human touch Khan has had in months the woman looks into Khan's eyes we're in this together. Thank you. Another of the agents hands Khan a cigarette. Khan places it between her lips and the agent lights it for her. She takes a long drag. As the women resume their conversation over the light meal, none of them notice the smokestacks of the crematorium rising on the horizon as the train pulls towards Dachau concentration camp.
Starting point is 00:30:53 Three years later, 1947. An interrogation room in Hamburg, Germany. Vera Atkins lights a cigarette and offers one to the German man sitting opposite her. Cigarette? Sure. The war is over and the SOE has been disbanded. But for Atkins, the former assistant to the head of the SOE's French section, there's unfinished business. She wants to know the truth of what happened to Noor Anayat Khan. During the past three years, she has received dozens of reports, many conflicting, many incorrect. This much is
Starting point is 00:31:34 certain. Khan did not survive the war. And yet, Atkins cannot leave the matter alone. She has come to Hamburg to interrogate Christian Ott, a Gestapo officer who was friends with some of the guards at the Dachau concentration camp. Atkins places the photographs of four women on the table in front of Ott. Tell me about the British women who were taken to Dachau. You must have known about them. Atkins taps the photo of Kahn. She was one of them.
Starting point is 00:32:06 What happened to her? I know nothing. Once again, I am not here to investigate war crimes. The Nuremberg trials are over. I simply want to bring some closure to the families. I wasn't there. Even so, you would have read the reports. Four British spies.
Starting point is 00:32:23 Women at that. One with Indian heritage. Word would have read the reports. Four British spies. Women at that. One with Indian heritage. Word would have travelled. Besides, it was your job to know. Ott rolls his eyes belligerently. What do you want me to say? The truth. We can't save her now,
Starting point is 00:32:39 but perhaps we can save her story. Give us a chance. I'm begging you. Ott studies Atkins' face as if assessing whether she is genuine. He leans forward. Like I said, I wasn't there. But I did put her on the train to Dachau. An officer named Rupert dealt with her there. The other three, they died quickly.
Starting point is 00:33:07 I heard he took his time with her. She didn't survive. Atkins takes a slow breath. Finally, some answers. She was very brave. Yes, she was defiant until the end. They told me her last words. Atkins grips the sides of her chair to steady herself. Liberté. Despite the reservations of her superiors at the Special Operations Executive, Noor Anayat Khan made a significant impact as an Allied spy during the Second World War. As the first woman radio operator in Paris, she transmitted crucial information back to Britain while evading Nazi detection amid deadly conditions. Following her capture,
Starting point is 00:34:11 Kahn refused to reveal any sensitive information during Gestapo interrogation and torture. In recognition of her bravery, the British government posthumously awarded her the George Cross. She also received several French medals for her contributions to the resistance, including the Croix de Guerre. In 2014, she featured on a Royal Mail postage stamp. The impact of Kahn's espionage work extended beyond her wartime efforts. Her multicultural background and unwavering commitment to freedom and justice
Starting point is 00:34:47 exemplified the unity, resilience and determination of those who fought against Nazi tyranny in the Second World War. Wondery Plus subscribers can binge full seasons of The Spy Who early and ad-free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery Plus subscribers can binge full seasons of The Spy Who early
Starting point is 00:35:06 and ad-free on Apple Podcasts or the Wondery app. From Wondery, this is the fourth episode in our series, The Spy Who Wouldn't Lie. A quick note about our dialogue. We can't know everything that was said or done behind closed doors, particularly far back in history, but our scenes are written using the best available sources. So even if a scene or conversation has been recreated for dramatic effect,
Starting point is 00:35:40 it's still based on biographical research. We've used various sources to make this series, including Madeline by Jean Overton Fuller. On the next episode, we'll find out more about Noor's legacy and the role of radio operators during World War II with Anita Anand, historian, author and co-host of the Empire podcast. The Spy Who is hosted by me, Indra Varma. Our show is produced by Vespucci with writing and story editing by Yellow Ant for Wondery.
Starting point is 00:36:16 For Yellow Ant, this episode was written by Simon Parkin and researched by Marina Watson. Our managing producer is Jay Priest. For Vespucciucci our senior producers are natalia rodriguez and emma wetherill our sound designer is matt peaty thomas curry is the supervising producer music supervisor is scott velasquez for frisson sync executive producers for vespucci are johnny galvin Daniel Turkin. Executive producer for Yellow Ant is Tristan Donovan. Our managing producer for Wondery is Rachel Sibley. Executive producers for Wondery are Estelle Doyle, Jessica Radburn and Marshall Louis.

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