The Squeeze - Brianne Howey: Grief, Growth & Georgia

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

In this week’s episode, the Lautners are joined by actress Brianne Howey! Brianne opens up about where her passion for acting began, her time studying at NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts, and the shared connection she and Taylor have from appearing on Scream Queens. She shares how becoming a mom has transformed her approach to mental health and self-care, especially while juggling a demanding filming schedule far from home. Brianne reflects on losing her own mother to cancer at 21, how that loss shaped her, and what it’s been like to now raise a child herself. She also talks about her therapy journey, the moment she knew she’d found the right therapist, and the advice she’d give to new or future parents. Plus, she gets candid about being part of Ginny & Georgia (a show that doesn’t shy away from topics like anxiety, abuse, and self-harm), how filming season 3 differed from earlier seasons, and whether playing Georgia has brought healing in unexpected ways.Watch Season 3 of Ginny and Georgia on June 5th: https://www.netflix.com/es-en/title/81025696Be sure to follow Brianne https://instagram.com/briannehowey/!To email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to [e-mail] sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on all of our socials:The SqueezeInstagram: https://instagram.com/thesqueeze/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@thesqueezepodcastTay LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylautner/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mrstaylautnerAmazon Storefront https://urlgeni.us/amazon/FDXj7 Taylor LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylorlautner/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@taylorlautnerTo learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow https://instagram.com/lemonsbytay/ and visit lemonsbytay.comEpisode Sponsors:Ready for a junk-free start to 2025? Head to ThriveMarket.com/squeeze and get 30% off your first order, plus a FREE $60 gift!Nuuly is a great value at $98 a month for any 6 styles, but right now you can get $28 off your first month of Nuuly when you sign up with the code SQUEEZE at Nuuly.com.Go to cokeurl.com/simplyPOP to find out where you can try Simply Pop!Be your own icon. Shower with Harry’s. Try Harry’s body wash today for just $8 at harrys.com/SQUEEZE.Right now, Splendid is offering our listeners 20% off when you go to Splendid.com and use promo code taylor at checkout or when you shop at Splendid in stores.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Oh, she's killed multiple people. I go, she's a single mother and she's killed multiple people. And he goes, she's killed people because she's a single mother. She was acting like it was normal. So where do we pick up from there in season three? It picks up, it's like, I think only two weeks have passed. George is locked up in the slamer, the local slimmer.

I hadn't seen the show tuned in as she was watching the season two finale. And I was like, Oh. Because she has to be a single mom, everyone must die. Yes. Yeah. She doesn't have help. Everyone's going to hell.

Seems to be like a Blumhouse horror, like a woman with a vengeance because she's a single mom. I kind of love that. Where are you most excited about season three coming out? Okay. Season three, a lot of pay off. We love payoff. With some romance.

Oh. I think what's really cool about this season is Jenny and Georgia fully swap. Not like Freaky Friday situation, but like they're swapped. Hi, Brian, welcome to the squeeze. Hi, you guys. Thank you so much for having me. Of course. An honor.

This is fun for me because I love Jenny and Georgia. We'll get into it. That's like my comfort show. Oh my God. That is literally I started watching it on an airplane like after sometime when the first season, after it had come out. And I was like, okay, so this is like my show. I love it. Yeah.

I love it so much. I'm so glad you like it. Thank you for watching. So this is fun for me. But, okay. So our game. Okay. We start each episode off with a jar.

It's called Citrus Got Real. If you want to pull a little piece of paper out of there. I do. And read it. I do. Drum roll. Favorite Disney World slash land ride. Ooh.

Okay. I'm going to say Matterhorn. Okay. Thoughts? You know, that's RIP now? No. Wait, it is? Wait, what happened?

Matterhorn. Wait, which one's Matterhorn? Now that's, that's the one that shakes you? Yeah, it's like really. Isn't that Tianas now? Oh, I haven't been there in forever. What the heck is? Yeah.

Which princess is? Oh. My God, as the one with the child, I should know this. Wait, wait, wait. So I'm just going to. Is Matterhorn the one that would like bruise my elbows? Yeah. So I've just totally dated myself to be like, I, guys, RIP Matterhorn.

Just like that shut down in 2015. I thought they changed it to, you know, it didn't feel safe, I suppose. I enjoyed it, but I definitely, it would rock you around. Yeah. Or is it, Swash Mountain they changed it? But I hope not. Okay. Because that's really, that's a good one too. That's really fun. I don't know. Matterhorn is very nostalgic.

I don't think they got rid of Matterhorn. But I feel like you wouldn't make this up. You must have heard this somewhere. No, I think I'm wrong and it's, I think it is Splash Mountain. Because there's no way the Princess Tiana wouldn't take place in the snowy. Because I remember being there the last time whenever we were there, seeing that one under construction that they were building. But we went on Matterhorn that day. So it wasn't, it wasn't Matterhorn.

Why are we getting rid of Splash Mountain? I don't know. That seems iconic. Technically, it's there, but they just like rebranded it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

So you're still going down the hill. You're still getting a picture. You're still getting splashed. Yeah. But it's maybe for Tiana. Yeah. Got it. I've got to go, I guess, is the bottom line.

I need a refresher and I have to go back. I know. I want to go to Disney. I haven't been a Disney World since I was a child. So maybe it's not that special anymore. I've never been, so we need to go. When I was in seventh grade, my mom was a soft. software consultant and she worked for Disney and we lived at Disney World for like three months.

Oh, wow. And we had to stay at each hotel for only two weeks because that's all that her work would pay for. So we had to keep moving around. But I stayed at every hotel in Disney World. Oh, wow. But it became too much. Like we had, like, it was like Mickey Mouse Waffles every morning and like everywhere you turn to Disney characters. And I was like so over it by the end.

Like I couldn't handle anything Disney anymore. Yeah. But it's very close to my heart. Yeah. I don't know what my favorite right. Really? Space Mountain. That's solid.

Yeah, that's a good one. They have the soaring over. Sorin's cool. Because you like that orange smell. I do love soren. I think we did that twice in a row last time. Yeah. And I get a little something I've learned as I've gotten older is I like get motion sickness now.

And I don't know. That one gave me a little bit of motion sickness. And there was something. Oh, we went to universal. You hate the ones where the thing. moves and you're looking at the screen. We did, I don't even remember what it was because I couldn't look. Simpsons?

It was something, it was back to the future and then they got changed to the Simpsons, right? Wasn't it? Oh, I thought it was like, uh, Transformers? Oh. Was it that? I couldn't even look, but it was like, it was just a screen and you're just like moving and I got off and I was like, I'm going to throw up. But it was really just moving.

It's so fun getting older and all these new things pop up. And you're like, that didn't used to bother me. No. Like, now I get weird allergies that I never have. before. I had allergies for the first time this year. Yes, you all welcome. Thank you. Welcome to the club. Sorry, sorry. I just remembered. I just remembered my favorite ride for sure. It's that Star Wars one. That's at Disneyland, right? Oh, yeah, the new one. That one's unbelievable. Oh, it's new. See, I've really got to go. Okay. You actually do this. We got to go. And he hasn't really seen many. You haven't really even seen them.

No, not all of them. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, yeah. The new like Star Wars land and there's a ride in there. Oh my gosh. It's like, unreal. It's like, it's an experience. You like walk through this whole thing.

Yeah. Yeah, we gotta go. Okay. We should all go. Sold. There we go. There, we all go. Sponsored by the squeeze.

Okay. Yes. I can get behind that. Okay. Let's get into this. I have a funny story to tell you before we like officially start. So funny. So it's just,

it is funny. Or ironic. I don't know what the word is. But as I said, Ginny and Georgia is like my airplane show. Okay. And so I don't, because I just like need it like,

like this in my headphones that I'm like watching in. And we're on our way back from something, but the plane is like, Taylor and I were sitting on the aisle seat. So we weren't next to each other. I'm like in my own world, like in my headphones, like noise canceled, watching my little phone. And I like look over and he's watching something on his phone, which is weird because he doesn't normally like watch things on his phone. And I was like, what is he watching? And I'm like leaning over like trying to look. I'm like, wait. And look back at my phone and I see you on my phone and then I see you on his phone. I was like, wait, what is he watching?

And I'm like trying to flag him down and I'm like, hon, what are you watching? He's like this new movie kind of pregnant. I was like, oh my gosh. We were literally watching Breyan. Like, all the same way. I'm like you were going to say you were also watching. No. Wait, that's so sweet. We're just like big fans of yours apparently.

You guys. I know. That was so funny. I was like, I literally have her on my phone right now. Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm honored. Yeah. Yeah. How was, I was, I was watching it because I've done like three Happy Madison movies. Have you? Yeah, I love the Happy Madison family. They're amazing. Yeah. You had a good time. It was the best. I mean, they're half the reason I was so desperate to be a part of it. Are you kidding me? Like, that's what I grew up watching. I think the world of them. And it was such a privilege to get to get to be a part of it. Yeah, it was epic. Yeah, their sets are like nothing else. It was so fun. Yeah.

It's just a good vibe. And it was like pure fun. It was playing. Yeah. It was a fun movie. Yeah. Especially compared to Ginny and Georgia, which is so heavy to shoot. Right. It was a, yeah. Nice little break. Yes.

It was a little... Lighter. Yeah. So I know that you were raised in California. Yes. Went to school in New York. Where did your passion for acting and entertainment stem from? So it kind of came about truthfully.

Or I discovered that this was something meaningful to me because in high school, I feel like high school was all about, like, getting into a really good college. There was a lot of pressure. So it was all about getting really good grades. and having the right extracurriculars and blah, blah, blah. And part of finding the right extracurriculars, I don't know, my family's kind of athletic, like my parents are tall. They were just like, you need to do basketball

or volleyball or tennis or something. And I tried all of them very earnestly and like no go. Not for you. Not for me, not working. I made no teams. I did all the sleepaway camps. It was miserable. Like, I did not enjoy myself.

But I kept trying them all. There's so many options. And like, literally, I didn't make any teams. then I tried out for the improv team in high school. I made the team. It felt so good. I found my people. The coach of the improv team was like, Brianne, you know, have you ever considered doing the plays? And I was like, no, not really. And he was like, I don't know, you should give it a go. Like, you should try. And then that's literally, that was it. That's how it started. Then I just started auditioning for the plays in high school. Then I fell in love with NYU. And I thought, if I could get into Tisch, then maybe this is the real deal. And if I don't get into Tisch, like I'm not going to be an actor. Wow. And then I got into Tisch. Jeez.

Wow. Can't say no to that. Yeah. Yeah. When did you start auditioning? Not until after college. Okay. And that's kind of how I knew I was with the right team.

It's my manager where I'm still with now. I met them a semester before I finished graduating. And I was in L.A. for the summer. And they were like, let's just do a little trial. They like sent me up with a couple of auditions. And I ended up booking my first audition. It was like the rebooted 90210.1. And I went in for Girlin Green because it's like literally my first audition ever.

And I ended up booking a named role, Stacey. And I had to then, I was, it was like the scene, we were at some high school charity and I was like betting on a guy like raising some panel to win him to like, I guess pay to have a date with him, I think. And then the scene was literally just us hooking up in the back of his car. But that was my first ever role. Oh my gosh. So you auditioned for Girl in Green, but they like upgraded you to Stacey. Sure did. Yeah. So I was like, what's the big deal, everyone? And then of course, yes, no, this is a very hard industry. So after you got your first audition ever, how was the journey after that? Oh, yes, thank you. The whole point of telling that story was that my, I appreciated what my team

said at the moment was finish school. Like you only have one semester left. Do this role. So I did. It was like over the summer, I did it. And then I finished my last semester of school. But I thought, I thought that that was really cool of them to be like, finish college. Yeah. Um, so then after, then I finished college. Well, then here's what happened. Then my mom passed right after I graduated college. So then I kind of was aimless and lost for like, at least six months. I didn't do anything then. Um, I got like a retail job and that kept me busy and was really good for me. And then I think it was probably like nine months later. My team was super understanding and patient. There was like a little web series that they were like, for some reason, we just wanted to send this to you, no pressure.

And then I booked that little web series. And I think from that point on, then I kind of hit the ground running a little bit more. I still had all my day jobs, of course, for like five more years probably. But then I felt like I was like auditioning and trying to be an actor. Yeah. Wow. I just love hearing like people's stories because there's no two stories are the same of just how you get into the industry. And there's nothing linear about it. And there's no path really and there's no right or wrong. It like just kind of is. It's so different for everybody. You know that feeling you try so hard to eat healthy only to realize you really don't have any idea where to start? And let me tell you, this is why I love Thrive Market. It is my go-to

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On that. Oh. And I was like, oh, that's funny. And then I looked and I saw you're in season one. And he comes downstairs. And I was like, hey, hon. Do you know, Brian was in Scream Queens? And he was like, oh.

I did season two. Yeah. I hadn't put that together actually prior. But now that, of course. I kind of forget that I did it, to be honest with you. I mean, it was a while ago. Great show, though. And that's like one of those cool shows where everybody has gone on to do such incredible things.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They find really great people. Yeah. What did you do in the first?

Okay, so it was season one. My favorite part of getting to do that was my character's name, Melanie Dorcas. I was a sorority girl. God, and I didn't do the Greek system in college. I was like a sorority leader or I don't know. I had something. But like basically, and actually I don't even remember now, either I bitched Emma Roberts out or she bitched me out. It was some type of a fight.

And then I had, oh, someone tried to kill me via spray tan. Oh, yeah. So I had third degree. burns all over me. And I was like, someone put like acid. I was getting a spray tan from the girls in the sorority, but there was acid in it or something. So then I had, we thought I was going to die. And then I just end up being, looking like Freddie Kruger for like one scene at the end with a veil and like the girls come to give me flowers or something. And then that was it. But it was so fun. It was so ridiculous. Is it also in that opening episode where they do the lawn mower thing?

I think so. Okay. I think so. And like New Orleans was great. Oh, you shun. That's right. So it was season two, not New Orleans? No, we did it here. You were LA. God, so cool.

Yeah. Yeah, I remember everybody talking about New Orleans, but now we shout up Paramount. Wow. Yeah. I mean, those are the good old days. I feel like nothing shoots here anymore. Yeah, they just built, like, because season two was in a hospital. Like, me and John Stamos were doctors.

And, like, the Chanel's were nurses. Oh, my God. And it's such like a, I hadn't watched the show. And then when we started dating, like, we watched someone Taylor's old stuff together. And we had started watching that show. And I was like, what is happening here? It's a crazy show. But it's really, they do a really good job.

Ryan Murphy knows what's up. Yeah. Yeah, it's a fun show. His brain cracks me up. He's good. He's got some good stuff. Killed by Spray Tan. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, death by Spray Tan. That's honestly, impressive that he, like, thought of that. What? Killed by, I don't know. It doesn't surprise. It's savvy. Yeah.

I mean, she never, Melanie Dorkas did not see it coming. Literally. Like Dorkis? Right? I'm like, why is this her last name? I don't know, but I'm here for it. My character's name was Cassidy Cascade. Yeah.

Pretty great. Wait, what was like the... A lot of nuance in that name. What was, what was like the villain or the... Because I know your thing was the Green Meanie. Green Meanie. Yours was what? It was the red devil.

It was the red devil. Was it just called the red devil? I think so. Okay. I think so. It looked like a word. Yeah, there was some really good twist. And I'm sure.

Like who it was. Also, Ariana was only in a couple episodes of that. I saw. I was in some of her episodes. You were? I think that was, yeah. I have to look because I thought. Yeah, because she got killed.

Yes. She got killed pretty quick. And Kiki Palmer. Was Kiki in season two? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Because I thought just from seeing the promo, I thought she was in the full season. And then when I looked on the IMDB, it was only like four episodes. Yeah, I think she died in like three or something. They get you with iconic. Yeah. Spoiler alert, I was the green mea. Green meaning.

Taylor. Yeah. Michael. I know. It was a big. Apologies for anyone. That hasn't watched it. I don't know if the listeners knew that yet. Wow. That's my greatest accomplishment. Do you like being the villain? It was fun. It's fun, right? It was fun. I never had been a villain character before, so it was really fun. Yeah. Yeah, that's not really something that you...

No, you were the mean kid in that one show as a... When I was eight years old. Yeah. And I had one line in my wife and kids. I'm glad it didn't pigeonhole you. Another role did. It's fine. I'm just teasing.

Not really. But, okay, we were talking before about how, like, in this industry, like, you're just not home. Like, nothing's filmed here. You're always gone. How, like, how do you stay, like, sane and try to prioritize your self-care when you're, like, away from your community? Especially when having a family.

It's so hard. Like, I'm definitely still in the midst of figuring it all out. I, by no means have all of the answers, but it's very challenging. Like, prior to having a family, it was still hard, right? You kind of feel like you're living a double life. You make a lot of sacrifices. Like you're missing birthdays and anniversaries and graduations. And you miss a lot of stuff being away.

But it is what it is. And that's the name of the game. And then adding the family aspect to it. I mean, look, I'm very fortunate that my husband, I was saying earlier, ever since COVID could work from home. So that added so much more flexibility into our lifestyle. I don't know what we would do if that wasn't the case. So thank God for that.

And then thank God my nanny came with us for season 3. So season three was the first time that we traveled as a family. And we actually did Kind of Pregnant and Junie and Georgia season three back to back. So it was like we were in New York for two months for kind of pregnant. And like I wrapped on a Tuesday and we started our table read on a Wednesday for Ginny and Georgia. We had to really go straight through. And then we were in Toronto for like four and a half months. So it is tough.

Like you, it's trying to find a little bit of balance even though that doesn't really exist. And I think I just kept telling myself, like, this is very temporary. It's not forever. I'm lucky that they're at least here with me. So I could see my daughter some morning, some afternoon, some evenings. Like, they would come to set and come visit. But, yeah, I, like, am kind of a softie, especially since having a kid. And, like, it was brutal. But we got through it. And it didn't affect our closeness or any of that. And I think a lot of it is probably, like, stories I have in my kids. And I think a lot of it is probably, like, stories I have in my kids. head that are false narratives about things that we don't know until we try. So, and now that I've done it once, I can, like, try to quiet some of those other narratives about, like, what if she and I don't feel as close throughout this process? But now I know that, like, that's just an old thing I was telling myself. And now I have more evidence in my life that that's not what happens, and it's still so hard. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, it truly takes a village. And, like, I don't think I could do it without my husband and my nanny. Yeah.

Did you put those false narratives in your head or was it someone chirping them? I mean, it's a good question. Like, you know, I probably put them in there a little bit. I mean, my mom worked a ton when I was little. And it was hard. Like, I remember crying to her when I was little being like, do you have to go on this work trip? And she'd be like, yeah, yes, I do. You like all these things we have?

Then, yeah, mom's got to go. And it's not to Disney World. And unfortunately, yeah. Does it, when you are home and not working, like, does that perspective, like, help you cherish, like, the little moments here? Completely. It makes me want to, like, be as present as possible when I can or, like, try to put my phone down, you know? Like, and, again, it's not, it's so much easier said than done. But for sure.

It also, though, it goes, it gets tricky because I was like, I don't want her. her to think, I almost sometimes don't want to be home every day all day if I'm not working, because I don't want to set her up to think that like, that's that normal either because we don't really have a normal. Like, we kind of just have these extremes. Yeah. That's tough. But it's also, that's because right now I have the privilege of getting to be on Ginny and Georgia. Yeah. And I don't know what it's going to look like afterwards. Yeah. Like, I don't know. Maybe I won't book something that's out of the state or maybe we will. Again, I have no idea. So, like, kind of trying to stay flexible and take it day by day.

For sure. But it's tricky. Yeah. I know we've had the conversation before. Like, I grew up with going, like, after school, I always went to, like, daycare after school. My parents picked me up after work. Like, I, there wasn't, like, a stay-at-home parent.

Yeah. I mean, your parents, obviously, they were both working, but when you moved here, your mom was home. Yeah. I don't know if she was home there. But, like, we've talked about how, like, he was like, you went to daycare. like every day after school and I'm like yeah like but just like the differences between that and I've never really like like that was my normal yeah exactly and it's all you know yeah and so like in my mind

I'm like oh no I go to school and I'll go to daycare and like yeah that my parents will pick me up a five like that's like and I think something that has really helped me like with the transition of like being away from her is that it's the more I try to like learn and understand about how this affects kids it's not about the length of time that you're with them it's the quality of of that time. If you are only with your child, even for 15 minutes a day, which sounds so hard, but some people's lifestyles, for whatever reason, maybe that's what they have, if for those 15 minutes, like, you are so present with them and you're playing, like, it goes so far. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that should be, like, reassuring to you. I feel like that. We talk a lot about,

like, just like the unknown of, you know, Taylor going back to work. Like, what is that going to look like when we have kids like just there's a lot of like unknowns and I know like he is so excited to be a dad and I know he'll like really want to like you'll want to literally you're I'm going to have to like revue away and but I think that should alleviate because I feel like you you put pressure on you will put pressure on yourself if not maybe you have a scary thought for sure like of being like well I don't want my kids to think I'm leaving like but I think I think that should be a little bit of like a reassurance. Yeah, it's good advice. Reassurance. Yeah. I mean, some parent, like I talk about it was my therapist all the time and she's like, Brian, some people go to

work from like eight o'clock in the morning till eight o'clock at night. Yeah. And they only see their kids right before or right after. And sometimes they're asleep. And like, they're still happy, healthy, regulated functioning children. But it doesn't mean it's easy. Yeah. Like it's still so hard. And like part of having kids, I guess, I mean, my child is still so young, just not even two. So like this, again, very beginning phases for me. I don't know what I'm talking about. Like, it seems like there is this process of like, you let them go a little bit. Like they do, like, they are these independent people in their life. They're not many versions of you. And that's not what they're meant to be. They're their own person. And like, I was reading this thing because I am so worried about,

like, attachment. I was reading the secure attachment book and it was saying that, like, we, You could view your kid as like you're not the pilot of their plane. You're just the mechanic. You're keeping it safe and you're making sure it runs well and you're giving it all the tools it needs. But like you don't, you're not flying that airplane. They're flying the airplane. And that like really shifted it for me about like, I love that. I don't actually need to be there 24-7 because I thought I was the pilot and I'm by no means the pilot.

Like she's the pilot of her own plane. Wow. That's good. But it's hard. It's like very hard to, yeah, to like let them grow and be. And, like, you know, the goal is to, like, when you say bye in the morning, have them not have a meltdown and, like, leave happily with the nanny. Yeah.

But then sometimes that hurts, too. You're like, oh, my God. That was so easy. Do you not care? Exactly. All right. You like her more than me. Yeah.

Of, like, they're confident and they know that you'll be there when they come home. And they know that, like, to you, it might feel inconsistent. But, like, if they know that they'll see you again, that's secure. That's their security. Yeah. I love that airplane analogy. I know. I know, it really helped me.

Yeah. Yeah, and I still think about it. Yeah, because I feel like you can even like apply that to like a family member that's struggling. Like when you were first seeing it, I was like, it feels like, you know, someone that's like going through addiction or like going through a tough time. Like you can pour into them. But like at the end of the day, it's up to them to make that decision. Yeah, for sure. Wow, that really fits on a lot of.

I like that. I need to write that down. Yeah, it's just a control thing, which I have so many of those. Yeah, you just want to control everything and you can't. You mentioned therapy. How long have you been in therapy? So I've been in therapy or I've been with my therapist. God.

Probably for like almost six or seven years now. Oh, God. Amazing. Yeah, probably a while. I think in the beginning it was like dating a little bit. Like I like tried a couple different people and like maybe none of them lasted that long. But I did that for like a year or two maybe like sporadically. Yeah.

And then yeah. My person now, the lady I'm with now. I just never left. Yeah. Was it anything specifically or you just like felt connected? So, oh, yeah, oh, with her. I took a quick, I mean, look, I'm not going to lie, she loves Bravo. We do have a lot of reality TV in common.

No. I mean, she does have that. But I don't know. Yeah, I guess I don't know if it was like an energy or age or gender, but for whatever reason that, you know, concoction seemed to work. Yeah. Yeah, and she took the SAG insurance as well, so that helps. That's very nice.

Yeah. Well, because that's the thing. It's so expensive. I mean, you still have to go out of pocket a little bit, but sometimes it covers some of it. But, like, yeah, I think that's probably why a lot of people don't go. It's so expensive. Yeah. What prompted you to start going to therapy?

So I've been with my husband now for like nine years. And when we first got together, he had been in therapy for kind of his whole life. And our conversations just turned in. into like kind of these therapy conversations where he'd be like, well, why do you think you feel that way about that? Or like, well, what happened to make that happen or whatever it was? And then he finally was just like, I do think you could probably go to a therapist. Like, we're already kind of talking about these things. And like I had when I was really little, like maybe when my parents got divorced, I like went to a couple sessions with my mom

so she could feel like, you know, are we okay? What's going on here? More as like a checkup maybe. And then I was like, yeah, you know what? I mean, he's not wrong. I have a handful of things that would be good to maybe talk about. And there was a little part of me with him. Like, I could feel that Matt was someone and something that was going to be a really big part of my life. And I kind of also felt like, I don't know what I'm doing. And like, am I low-key going to mess this up?

So I wanted to, yeah, talk to somebody about it or just get some of this stuff out. Wow. And it's been, like, the best thing. I love it. Yeah. Therapy's been such a big thing for us. And it is, it can be hard, but I'm really thankful there's like so many different. There's a lot of like online platforms now that take a lot of insurance. And it's, I just feel it's really important to be able to confide in someone that knows is professionally trained to ask you the right questions or like to help give you the advice that you need.

Yeah. And to like name it. I think sometimes like, or if like I'm left to my own devices, I'll come up with a narrative that's like so negative and not great. And it helps nip some of that in the bud before you can like, you know, be your own worst enemy sometimes or maybe like creatives especially. Like your imagination can really go wild. Yeah. Let's use it for good and not bad. But that's so hard.

Yeah. No, I'm with you. Like I'm right there with you. Yeah. And like, yeah, like talking with you with friends is great. And it's, you know, very important to have that. But it's like you're not trained to identify, like, exactly why you are doing something. Yeah.

Well, I had the other day, I was in, we have the same therapist. And we've seen him, like, together, separate. And I was in there by myself with him. And I was talking about something. And he was like, well, yeah, Taylor does this because he's, like, processing. And I was like, oh, yeah. I don't even know that about my husband. I was like, and he, like, he just, like, said it.

So, like, matter of fact, and he, like, knew that about you. And I was like, oh, my gosh, I've literally, like, I would have never known. And it was something like. Unless you kind of go talk to somebody about it. And a therapist has, like, that bird's eye view of the situation. Yeah. Like, I would have never come to that conclusion. Ever.

I would have never. And that's why you go and see a therapist. Exactly. But, like, I've, like, talked to a couple of my friends recently that are, like, going through a rough time. And I'm like, hey, I've, like, just, like, thrown out. idea of therapy to them or if they need like a contact or anything. And I've had a couple be like, you know, no, I got my family. You know, I got I got great friends. And I'm not going to push it any further than that. But it's like, it's different. I think it's like so generational too.

I feel like it's our generation is kind of the first ones to really talk about it. Maybe so openly. Like I don't like a lot of my friends' parents and mine weren't. in therapy or talking about mental health or even maybe even accepting that there are ramifications to some of this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. No, for sure.

I feel like our kids are going to be like so expressive and how they're feeling because like we now have the tools to like ask the right question or give them the space to feel their emotions and all of this stuff. And I feel like they're going to be like, well, this is how like you did this and this is how it made me feel and we're going to be like, oh, whoa. Like they're just going to be so self-aware. It's so cool. Yeah. I'm going to take a breath. Yeah. Yeah. I could see our child doing that, but with some sass from you.

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journey with grief because we talk a lot about grief on the podcast because that's kind of like the one underlying thing that everyone has or will experience in their life. So I'd love to hear just about your journey, how it started and where you're at today with it. I mean, it's a great question. It's like my mom passed like 14 years ago now and it's still very much a work in progress. It's still very much a part of my every day. I mean, I think. I think that, So my mom had cancer. She was really young. She was 43. So it kind of, she had, she was sick for maybe like five years, but it still took us by surprise. Yeah. It's, we thought maybe things were on the up and up, but again, this was a while ago now and medicine has come so far. But like, chemo can be

complicated. It can like kill all the good stuff too. Yeah. Nurse, you know all these things. So that's kind of what ended up happening. And my mom had three kids, me and my two younger siblings. from the same mom and dad, my sister and I were five years apart. So I was like 21. My sister was 16. And then my mom and her second husband had one more kid who was four at the time. So I mean, truthfully, it was like pretty shocking and traumatic. And it happened fast. And nobody knew what to do. My mom didn't have her ducks in a row, like with like legal stuff because it was sudden. So it was pretty complicated. And my mom was one of eight. So my mom, I had seven aunts. and uncles. Like, I have a huge family. Everyone is in Southern California, like all grew up around Pasadena-Lacquina-Kalda area. And my dad grew up in Glendale. So I think the beautiful part is I have a huge family. Yeah. We were all together, all the time, relied on everyone very heavily and did not go through anything alone. Like, just very grateful to, and like my poor boyfriend at the time, we were together for like four years. He was amazing. But yeah, look, it sucked.

I think I tried to go to therapy right off the bat. It didn't last very long. Like, I don't think I was in the right headspace. I didn't. I was 21. You know, I then, like, probably partied a little bit too hard for a couple years, just distraction, distraction, distraction. Yeah.

And I threw myself into work. Work was the only thing that felt good. I loved working. I had plenty of day jobs and then was just auditioning. And work, I just, work felt really good. I got a lot of confidence from it. And I think I just kind of rode that wave for a while until COVID hit. Yeah.

Then there was no more work to be had. And then I was like, oh, no. This is, I've been distracting myself for like six years. Yeah. And it was terrible. We got a dog. That was amazing. But I did kind of realize, oh, holy shit.

I've just been distracting myself with work. And, you know, that's sort of. it's purpose, but I probably need to like pay attention to some of these other areas because it's not sustainable. And that also sort of started my conversations with Matt, my partner, about like, oh, are we going to have a family? What are we doing? What does that look like? So then, I don't know, now, where are we at now? So then, so yeah, COVID happened. Then I think, yeah, throughout COVID, I did a lot more work on myself, like with my therapist and my partner about like, okay, we've hit a wall. These are some pretty big potholes here.

I'm not okay if I'm not working and that's not okay. So we had to work through that for a while, kind of did that. I think I've gotten a lot better, but it's still there. Like it doesn't feel good if you're not working. But I also have colored in so many other aspects of my life now because now I have a family. So yeah, I have my dog and my husband and my daughter and, and, you know, they take up so much space in my life in so many beautiful ways that has nothing to do with work. And I love that. So then now present day, yeah, still work in progress. I think having my daughter has actually kind of like re-triggered some things about like missing my mom and being a mom. Yeah. It's like there nothing shines a spotlight on your stuff like seeing it in your

child or being afraid that they're going to get it or the social media of it all. Like I this quote that was like, your child doesn't treat themselves the way you treat them. They treat themselves the way you treat yourself, which I think is maybe a little extreme. I did talk about that with my therapist. And she's like, hold up. Okay, she's like, sure. Sure. There's, there's some light to that. But of course, it's not only that. Like, that's a little bit extreme. Huh. But it did make me think I was like, well, my God, I certainly don't want that to happen. My God. So let's, we need to keep working on some things. So, yeah, it's tricky. but it's also, I don't know, having her as kind of healing, but again, I still very much in the throes of it all.

But yeah, still in therapy. Like, Mother's Days are still so hard and, like, her birthday is hard and stuff like that. Yeah. But it's also cool. Like, I have, my mom was a single mom, worked her ass off. My mom had me at 21. I mean, I had my daughter at 33. Okay.

Holy crap. I could not imagine having done doing that 12, 15 years ago. Like, I just have so much respect. I already did for my mom. But yeah, living it out even more so. So, yeah, is that kind of answer? I know. I touched a lot of subjects.

I know. I was left with wanting to ask what kind of dog you have. Yeah, please. I literally almost said, I know Taylor's going to ask this. I was like, I don't want to come across insensitive, but I was just curious about the dog. Cody is the most healing. Okay, so I never even wanted a pet because I don't know. I work a lot.

I just, I was like, we're never home. What is the point? Blah, blah, blah. COVID hit. Bodie is the love of my life. Like, I don't know. I can't believe all that I was missing out on fire to having him. Like that I didn't get a pet until I was like over 30.

Are you kidding me? Yeah. So he's amazing. He's an Australian Shepherd Pit mix. We got him when he was eight weeks old. Australian Shepherd Pit? Yes. Oh, I don't have to see a photo.

I'll show you so many pictures. We stayed in touch with his litter. So we like found him on PetFinder. It was the beginning of COVID, but it was so early COVID. It was back when everyone were in gloves, but no masks. Like, do you remember that phase? Like when we all thought that was the move? Yeah.

Whatever. I just remember waiting, like, at some home by LAX, really late night with our gloves on and no masks and, like, trying to stay away from people, but we wanted to get a dog. And I put my gloved hand in this little pen, and there were only, like, three dogs left. And Bodie ran up and, like, touched my hand. And we were like, okay, you're our guy. And we had just finished watching The Wire and loved the character Bodie.

So that's who he's named after. Cute. And yeah, he's our everything. And he's having such a, he's been so jealous of his sister. It's been a very hard transition. Really? Oh, my God. He, I don't think he even looked at her or kissed her until she started eating real food and dropping it.

That's so funny. Now he's throughout. Now she has some negotiating. Yeah. Yeah. Now he's like, she can stay around. Right. She can stay.

That's so funny. She's messy when she eats. I like her. Yeah. Exactly. He's like, it's fine. Now it's fine. Yeah.

But for a while there, like, we would put peanut butter on her to be like, Bodey, please. You acknowledge her. give her a kiss. Like she's part of the pack now. And yeah, that is so funny. Oh my gosh. I know. I'm so curious how our dogs are we have dogs. I'm so curious how like they'll be. Yeah. Especially, I mean, she's not a puppy. She's four. But she's like a Malinois, German Shepherd, Australian Shepherd mix. Oh my gosh. So, and she is the baby and she knows it. She gets a lot of attention. Uh-huh. I think, yeah, she might be a little shocked. Yeah. I'm so curious. Any advice for someone. like us who are like wanting to be parents like something that you've learned about it.

I mean, guys, I don't know. No, I'm like, who am I to be giving anybody any advice? But like you got to rely on each other and ask for help. Yeah. It truly like there's something to be said for like these people used to do this in like multi-generational homes and like it took a village. Yeah. And I feel like nowadays. We want to do everything by ourselves. And like there's nothing wrong with, yeah, asking for help. Yeah. But it is like, of course it's so hard, but it's like the most game changing.

Like my, I feel like my heart has truly expanded. Like I would never change it. And it's the most magical, beautiful thing. I'm so excited. Yeah. I'm excited for you. I'm the hold up. There's no, no.

There's no right or wrong time, literally. Yeah. Yeah. She's still young too. Yeah. I told my, I'm 28. So I told myself at 30, I'm throwing breath control out. Maybe that's my advice.

Wait. Do all the things. How fun. Go travel. Do all the things. Yeah. There's literally no rush. Because it changes everything.

No rush. No, for sure. Do you have anything else you want to ask before we get into Jenny and Georgia? I know you want to get into Jenny and Georgia. So you go right ahead. It's so fun. Well, it's funny because we had, after that whole airplane thing, when we had got home, we had watched it again. Because Taylor was like, this movie's hysterical.

You need to watch it. And it was funny for me because I'm just used to hearing you with, like, the thick accent. And I was like, that's weird. Who is she? She's faking it. This is false. Like, it's not as believable. What a liar. I know. And I was watching it the other day. Well, because I've had, because I've had to do prep, I've had access to the first five episodes.

Okay. But the thing, though, is I haven't watched them all because I don't have the end. I need to know how it ends. Also, are you distracted by like that the ADR is not finished yet? Like, they're pretty rough. I actually didn't know they were sending them out and I was like, oh, people are watching this. I did open it and I didn't have the time stamp. I don't know what it's called, but it had that going.

And I was like, oh, yeah. It's not, yeah. Just, yeah, wait. It all, when it's not, you're not receiving the final picture. I mean, the story's all there and it's all happening, but the sound is all over the place. I hadn't seen the show. but I, like, tuned in as she was watching the season two finale. And I was like, oh, wow.

And I was like asking all the questions. Like, I'm like, what is? Wait, what was I trying to explain to you earlier? She's killed multiple people. I go, she's a single mother and she's killed multiple people. And he goes, she's killed people because she's a single mother. She was acting like it was normal. Like, keep me mind.

Because she has to be a single mom. Everyone must die. Yes. Yeah. She doesn't have help. Everyone's going to hell. She made it sound normal. And I go, hold up. What do you mean because she's a single mother?

She's killed multiple people. Wait, I kind of love this. This needs to be like a Blumhouse horror. Like a woman with a vengeance because she's a single mom. I kind of love that. And she's like, well, it makes sense. And like they deserved it. And I'm like, what?

It's like for good. Like you got to think like Robin Hood or Dexter, you know? Like, sure. A few people had to go away. but they were a threat to either her children or their livelihood. Okay. Yeah. She explained that a lot better than I did.

Yeah. The way you were it was. I was like starting to give like the whole backstory of like, well, she was pregnant as a teen. Then they were there and then she was literally giving him. There's a lot of that story. There's a lot of that story. Yeah. Yeah.

Just seen the finale, the last two minutes to season two. Was it? It was Austin running after the car. Oh, that broke right there. Yeah. You being put in the. Arrested. Yeah. During our first dance.

Yes, you were dancing. Yeah, it was our first dance. We were getting married. There's like beautiful V-O to her daughter and how beautiful her daughter is. And she never thought all of her dreams could come true. Cut to, she's been arrested in front of the community. Yes. Okay. I have a lot of questions. So we're going to get into this. So where do we pick up from there in season three?

Kind of right where we left off. Okay. It picks up. It's like, I think only two weeks have passed. And George is locked up. Yeah. Wow. George is in the slamer. The local slamer.

Yeah. Local slamer. That's so good. Okay. I'm going to dive into my questions because I have a few of that. I really derailed that. You're good. You're good.

Okay. So something that I love about the show, actually, before I ask that question, what is the category of the show? It's YA. It's a young adult show. Okay. So that's what I thought when I started it, and I'm a freaking sucker for a YA show. Let me tell you. There's a heavy Y.

It hits the spot. It's a heavy YA show. So heavy, you guys. And season three more than anything. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is what's tricky about like, or not tricky is the wrong word, but like you don't, when you sign on to go do a show, you don't know where, A, you don't even know how long is this going to go on for. And you don't know where the story's going to go. Yeah. I was very surprised to see how heavy this season was. But in so many ways, I see like where the writer's room was like, this is all paths led here. Like this is Georgia had to get caught. Wow. Yeah, so it's something that I love because I feel like it's, even though, even though the storyline, like, as we literally were just saying it, like, sounds insane. It's honestly, there's a lot of undertones that are so relatable to, I feel like, any age group from, you know, high school to adults and it is heavy. But what is it like being a part of a show that, like, really doesn't, like, shy away from a lot of scenarios? Yeah. I mean, it's a privilege. Like, A, as an actor, you know, you don't assume that that's something you're going to get to be a part of, of course. And I had no idea that this show would start that kind of dialogue. But to have people on the street come say like, hey, it helped me. Like, I was at this wedding once and this woman came up to me and told me about how it completely, or it was, it helped her almost grieve her relationship with her mom. Her mom was still around, but they didn't have the relationship maybe she wanted. Yeah.

And my God, it hits you like a ton of bricks. And on those days where it can feel like too much or it can feel too heavy, yeah, I do kind of think about the audience. And I think about that the show actually means something to somebody. Yeah. And it's motivating. Yeah. Yeah, I've like definitely cried a couple times and I don't like crying when I watch things. But it truly just like, I mean, the acting in it too is like, I'm not just saying that because you hear.

Like truly the acting in it is so good. and I don't feel like, I really feel like I'm in. I think that's why I love watching it in my headphones, like on my phone, because, like, you're there. Like, you're fully there with these characters. Yeah. Everyone just does such a good job at it. But I'm curious, I can't imagine how hard that is to film.

What is decompressing? Like, how do you not, I mean, I'm sure you carry that home with you. Yeah. I don't know yet. I know. I think, I wish I did maybe a better job during season three. not bringing it home. But it was tough. Like, season three is heavier than seasons one and two. And because I have a kid now, it like, it just, everything felt like a punch to the gut.

Like, it just, like the kid, you know, I mean, it's brutal. And yeah, I just, again, I felt like such a softie. But the good news is everyone on set is amazing. Antonia, who plays Ginny, feels like another appendage to me at this point. I feel so close with her and I love her so much. And it's such a safe space. Like, it's definitely not, it's a very safe space to play or mess up or whatever. But yeah, I'm like sweating bullets and have butterflies in my stomach leading up to all of those scenes. Because, A, I don't want to, I want to do justice and honor to the script and the characters and the audience.

and that these are like some heavy themes. And knowing that it is so meaningful to people, yeah, I don't want to, I want to get it right. We talked about how you were raised by a single mother and you play a single mother. And when I, when I learned that, I was like, wow, this actually, like, I could feel that. Like, it made sense to me. Like, I'm like, oh, this is why I feel like she portrays this so well. It's like there's something deeper in here. I'm curious what was it like when you were.

kid watching your mom just like hustle and sacrifice to give you like the life that she wanted. And how have you kind of brought that into playing Georgia? Yeah. I mean, my mom was like the biggest hustler I know. By the time she was 30, she was CEO of her own software consulting company. She built it from the ground up. My mom was just crazy ambitious and so smart, almost to a detriment. Like she tried to squeeze in so much and she did not take no for an answer and like almost forced things in like it what like she almost there was a lot of control happening there i can see now in the moment i had no idea yeah but it's very much i think probably unfortunately where so much of my desire to control things probably comes from um but she was just a go-getter and would jump right into the deep end and i think

it's made it a little bit more normal for me to step into the unknown to step into things that feel uncomfortable to try to take some big risks because that's all I watched her do and she just kind of made it seem like that's a normal thing to do. Yeah. Has playing Georgia been like healing for you in a way? Totally. I think because I it allows me to like interact mentally with my mom in a way or like to think about her in a way that isn't about the grief of it or isn't about her passing or isn't about her being sick. Like it's just about like the type of person that she was or like her attributes is cool and, like, fun to engage with it and her in that way. Yeah.

Or to be like, what would my mom have done in this moment? Like, or what, like, something funny even. Like, that's not heavy and so serious. Yeah. It really seems like this role was made for you and you were made for this role. Like, it's kind of like crazy. I know. You're going to give me chills.

I don't know. Like, you, yeah, I mean, I very much believe that, you know, things can be kismit and are meant to be and things find you for a reason. And that's why he kind of got a, it's so hard to trust the process. You know, still, that's a work in progress. But it may be an example of like, yeah, I guess if I look back, like I was on a show right before that had gotten canceled, this vampire show called The Passage. And I was devastated when it got canceled.

Devastated. And then what do you know? What do you know? You know? You're not girl in green or stacy. Right. I know. And honestly, it's like your accent is believable.

Like, it's so. I feel like anyone else, I'd be like, okay, like, okay, this is not. Did you go, did you see a dialect coach or something? We had a dialect coach on set season one for me and for two of our main actors are Australian. Oh. And then everyone else is Canadian. Wait, who, Felix, who's the neighbor. Yeah.

Who plays Marcus. He's Australian. And then Diesel, who plays Austin, my son, is also Australian. Wow. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I didn't know that. Remarkable.

Wow. Fantastic. Yeah. So we had a guy there season one. Yeah, and also because like Georgia is so intense and passionate and generally like screaming or drinking a lot of wine or angry. Like it just, it just enhances it. So even if I like try to do it subtle, we're screaming in the scenes and sure she's like,

you know, being a hurricane or the Tasmanian devil and like it gets a little thicker. Yeah. But I like for a while when I would get auditions afterwards. The feedback would be like, oh, no, she could do, she could do her real accent. And we'd be like, what do you mean? She could do the Southern accent. It's okay. Stop.

And it's like, no, she is doing her regular. Yeah. But I think I also am like, I'm, I think my cadence is a little musical or like, I don't know, I like gesticulate a lot and I'm kind of animated. So I think that lends itself towards Georgia. Yeah. Like I'm a little big. Yeah. Yeah.

That's so funny. Yeah. She could do her normal accent. We like it. Like, oh, she doesn't have to put on standard American. And we're like, Standard American. Well, no, that is, that's, that it, she's from Pasadena.

She's from Pasadena. She is Pasadena girlie. Oh my gosh. That's, that's so funny. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, I mean, you kind of already asked, but what, where are you most excited about about season three coming out?

What can fans and myself look forward to? Okay. Season three, there's a lot of payout. We love payoff. There's a lot of payoff with some romance. Oh. So that's exciting. And I think what's really cool about this season is Jenny and Georgia fully swap.

I mean, not like Freaky Friday situation, but like they're swapping. They're taking a page out of each other's books for better or for worse. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I'm so excited. You're going to need to get caught up because I'm definitely or not.

I have some shows like that are just mine. Yeah. That's nice too. Yeah, like Bridgeton, that was mine. That was also just mine. Like somewhere I turned pretty, that's mine. Y.A. You like the YA. I do.

Yeah. Who doesn't? I do. Thank you. It's a, thank you. So glad you like it. Keep like you. It's so good.

Well, I'm so excited. It's out tomorrow. Everyone is listening. So go watch it if you haven't. It's truly, I'm not actually just saying it is one of my favorite shows. I do love it. We believe you. We believe you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thanks for coming and hanging with us. You guys are the loveliest. Thank you so much for having me. This was so fun. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.