The Squeeze - Chandler Kinney: Balancing Roles and Real Life

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

In this week’s episode, the Lautners welcome actress and singer Chandler Kinney! Chandler shares her journey into the world of acting, opening up about her experience with imposter syndrome while singing on Disney Channel’s Zombies and what it was like filming the intense series Pretty Little Liars: Original Sin. She discusses her relationship with social media, the boundaries she sets to protect her mental health, and the importance of maintaining a work-life balance. Chandler also gives us an inside look at dancing alongside her partner Brandon Armstrong on Dancing with the Stars—from the ways it differed from her expectations to the unique challenge of "playing herself" after a career of playing others.Be sure to follow Chandler on Instagram https://.instagram.com/chandlerlkinney/!Catch Chandler on Dancing With The Stars every Tuesday night 8/7c ON ABC AND DISNEY+, and be sure to vote by texting CHANDLER to 21523 https://dwtsvote.abc.com/To email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to [e-mail] sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on Instagram:The Squeeze: https://instagram.com/thesqueeze/Tay Lautner: https://instagram.com/taylautner/Taylor Lautner: https://instagram.com/taylorlautner/& TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@thesqueezepodcastTo learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow https://instagram.com/lemonsbytay/ and visit lemonsbytay.comEpisode Sponsors:Trust your gut with Seed's DS-01 Daily Synbiotic. Go to Seed.com/THESQUEEZE and use code 25THESQUEEZE to get 25% off your first month.Don't miss out on the most relaxing sleep ever with Magnesium Breakthrough. For an exclusive offer, go to biooptimizers.com/squeeze and use promo code squeeze during checkout to save 10 percent. And if you subscribe, not only will you get amazing discounts and free gifts, you will make sure your monthly supply is guaranteed. Get 25% off + FREE shipping on Roots Focus at SilverStarNutrition.com using code SQUEEZE. Fuel your brain, sharpen your focus, and boost your energy with every sip. Don’t wait—head to SilverStarNutrition.com to elevate your everyday!Put your water to work with Gatorade Hydration Booster. You can use code BOOST20 on Gatorade.com to try it yourself for 20% off. Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase with promo code Squeeze at tonal.com Bring your traditions to life with independent art and design this holiday season. Use code SQUEEZE for 20% off Minted holiday cards and gifts.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Yeah. Oh, you do? I know a spotting. Like when you're turning, you whip your head around. Come on. Obviously. Obviously. It's way more intense than I thought.

Yeah. The schedule, no days off. Work home. I don't think this is gonna work anymore. Do you karate. This thing was a bus staff and he can like skin things. Come on. We can grab a broomstack.

She can't afford a black eye. I did taekwondo when I was young. I got my black belt. You got your black belt? Holy crap. Loved it. I'm not even really big on the social media. The way I said that was really exposing of that.

Don't take my Gen Z card away. I wonder if people, and this is not a question for you, get paired together and they just can't stand each other. Let's talk about it. It does. I'll say that. When life gives you lemons, what do you do with them? Over here at the squeeze. we talk about it.

Chandler, welcome to the squeeze. Thank you. So excited to be here. Even though I just said that we've literally been talking for 30 minutes. Pretend we haven't been talking.

Now we're rolling. Yeah, now we're going. Okay, great. So we start each episode off with this jar, a little game called Citrus Got Real. If you want to pull a little piece of, yeah,

if you want to pull a little piece of paper out of there. Okay. And go for it? Yeah. I love some good words. wordplay. So that was fun. I don't know if, oh, got it, yes.

Citrus got real. Yes, I realize that's what you were referring to. Okay, when you open a straw, do you poke slash stab or peel slash tear the wrapper? This is a beautiful question. These are the questions that keep me up at night. Do I poke slash stab or peel? I think I'm a peeler. Are you a peeler?

I think I am. Yeah. Because, you know what, I think. I am a recovering poker. Yep. Because you guys know. Yeah. Because if you go for, like, the straw snaps, I've had that one too many times. And then you have a hole in your straw.

I know. That's a day of your owner. You're not sipping any of that lemonade. Yeah. So I'm now like, I'm moving into the peeling era of my life. I feel like as you mature. It's a maturity thing. Yeah.

Yes. I do feel like when I see people do that, I'm like, but why? I still do, though. I definitely still do. Oh, you get the ick from it. A little bit. I should say, I should put that in here later. This is foreshadowing everyone.

Uh-oh for what we're going to do later in the episode. Yeah. Okay, so noted. I'll stop poking my straw. It doesn't give you the ick. It's more like, what are you doing? You're going to break the straw. And then I'm going to be the one that has to fix the problem of the straw.

So it's either I'm giving you my straw or. Okay. Yeah. It becomes like a whole conundrum. Yeah. Who makes these questions up? Are lemon drops. Wow, that was a good one.

I know. We put a little, our lemon drops are our listeners. We put like, we have a little question box on our Instagram. If you don't follow us at The Squeeze on Instagram. And yeah, we put like a little thing. That's so like, how do you think of that? I know. It's really impressive.

That was very specific. And I enjoy like the specificity of that question. Yeah. So thank you, lemon drop. Whoever you are. Show yourself in the comments below. Yeah, that really did do something for my, for my soul. I enjoyed that question.

Okay. So we are filming this the morning after the Halloween episode. Yes. Just for clarity, because I know this will technically come out. You're watching this at home. Not after next week's episode. Yeah, a week after. So we everything.

But we're a week behind right now. We went back in time and that's what we're doing today. And last night, in our time, Chandler absolutely smashed her Halloween episode dance. No, you literally finished the dance. I looked at Taylor and I was like, oh, that was her best one yet. Yeah, you did. Thank you. Which I...

Which I was like, that's high praise because like the bar is set so high for you. And I think everybody knows that. But yeah, you were like, that was her best one yet. I was like, you might be right, but she's just so good every week. It's tough to say. No, I really felt like it was like, I don't know. I just like there wasn't any moment where there was like a stutter or it just like felt like it literally. just like float the whole time.

Thank you. Thank you for saying that. I was, I was really nervous because it was a Viennese waltz. And I think that's a risky dance to do on Halloween night because it's, you know, typically the showy, flashy night where everybody pulls out all the stops and you see the big lifts and

the tricks. And they're amazing. It was an incredible episode. I had so much fun watching from the Skybox. But, you know, the waltz, it can be, it can appear very simple.

You know, It's really just like fluid and you glide across the floor, but, you know, it's a no-lift genre or style of dance. And there are only so many steps. Yeah. It's just very technical. And so Brandon and I just really wanted to build it and like dive deep into character and storytelling, which added a lot of anxiety to me because there's so many like added elements, like just starting on the music box and like rotating and then falling off of that, which was a much higher fall than it probably looked. And then I had my little glass shard And I had a tiny little pocket

I got so worried I got so worried when you went to put it in the thing I was like what if she can't find that in the moment? I need the panic in my eyes I was like my heart like stopped when I saw you going to put it in And I was like oh no and then I was like And then this is just my OCD. It's like what if it falls out?

Like I was literally thinking about that. I mean I can only imagine what you were thinking Oh let me tell you literally the day before I was like readjusting the the glass shard size, because that was the first time I actually ever got to work with it the day before. And then also the pocket, like, I had them make three different adjustments to the pocket. Like, just the length of it. And, like, I had them straighten it out ever so slightly because it kept getting,

you know, the shard was, it was like spiky. It was a little sharp on the end. So it was, like, getting caught on the mesh. And there was one time during camera blocking where I didn't get it in the pocket the entire, like the whole way. and it flew out halfway through the dance. And so I was spinning. I was schifzen. I was sweating. I was so scared. But yeah, you probably saw me give it like an extra little shum.

Yeah, make sure it stays in. Yeah, it stayed in. We got through the dance. It worked. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. We didn't talk about that. We didn't.

But I was like, that was risky. I guess you made me forget that part. I guess the dance was so nice. You made me forget that I was anxious for you about that whole time. Yeah, that's so funny. I actually was thinking it when they were showing, like, you guys practicing, my brain was like, oh, where is this going to be? Where is it going to go? Yeah.

Yeah. Before you even, like, started, like, the dance part when you guys were just a rehearsal. I was like, where is this going to go? How is this going to be attached to her body? Yeah. And then the fact that you needed it for that moment at the end, you can't just lose it during the dance. Well, it comes out. It goes back in and then it comes out again.

So even getting it out coming out of those, oops, going out of those. going out of those, they call them fleckle rolls. So that was that last step that we were going, like, spinning around in a circle. Where it's a lot of momentum. So I'm, you know, and also in frame, you're holding your head like this. So you can't spot so you get really dizzy. So then I had to find the front in my dizzy state,

find my pocket with that bad boy out, and then turn around and find Brandon. So it was, I'm glad it looked as smooth and graceful as it did. it felt tumultuous. It felt like a little tornado. It was beautiful. I was really proud of it. I didn't even like think about like the spotting of all of the spinning and stuff. Do you know what that is? What? Spotting. Spotting, yeah. Oh, you do? I know what spotting is. Like when you're turning? Yeah, like when you're turning, you whip your head around. Go on. Obviously. But I have always wondered why. Obviously. I have wondered why when doing some of those dances your neck looks like it's broken

because you're right that like you're, I've always wondered why you have to do that. That's just like it's part of the frame. Yeah. But it is, it's like you're typically, I think at least for the woman like over the left, over, I don't have to speak to the mic, over the left. And then the chin is up. So it's like you do feel like a crane. Yeah.

It doesn't look comfortable. It's not. It's not. I have had a couple of PT sessions because you kind of get lopsided just by holding the frame for so long. Jeez. Yeah. Wow. It's intense.

Props to you for freaking doing that. Thank you. How are you feeling this morning, week, life in general. How is, how's your mental health? How are you feeling? How's the day going? I feel okay. And that's great.

That's great. Yeah. I will take that. I'll take it. Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, especially being in the midst of Dancing with the Stars, which is just such an intense show with an insane pace. Genuinely, we were just talking about this, I've not had a day off. And so I'm not even used to being, like, on the road that much, like, driving every day and, like, being on camera every day and always having something to say every day.

Like, sometimes, you know, I have days where I'm just like, I have nothing to add to the conversation. You know, I just like need to kind of be in my own world. This is just not an environment that's conducive to that. So it's just, it's been a big learning curve. And I feel drained is too strong of a word, but I am like a little sleepy. A little like feeling the wear of the competition at this point going into week eight. Wow. Yeah.

I know. It's like flown by. But generally, like, I feel all right. I'm hanging in. I'm hanging in. You're crushing it. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We can get into dancing with the stars. We'll get into more dancing with the stars later because we're, you know, fans and going to have questions. I'm holding myself back. I know we already got into a little more there than I was anticipating. It's fine.

We'll circle back. So going back in time. I'm curious, when did you start acting? How did you start acting? Like, what did that look like for you coming from a fellow child actor? Yes. Well, I, so I did start in dance, in the dance world. I was kind of like a competitive dancer, girly growing up.

And then when I was nine years old, I ended up doing a gap commercial randomly that kind of had a viral moment for 2000. And that like sideways through me into the world of acting. And I ended up signing with a commercial agent. And then suddenly I'm like walking, walking into these audition spaces and being handed like sides with dialogue. And I'm like, I've never done this before. And so then I started taking acting classes. So I was nine years old. Okay.

And that kind of began my transition out of the dance world into acting like full time. And yeah, it was really like a slow burn for me. Like I really started kind of like in the guest star world and then reoccurring. And then I got my first series regular role. And but that's been the last like 15 years of my life. And it's just snowballed in a really beautiful way. And I've loved it. It's just been, it's a very, as you know, like it's a very specific experience.

Yeah. But it's been amazing. I've been very fortunate to have. like overall a positive experience coming out of like that very specific time. Yeah. Yeah. That's good to hear because I feel like people either have like, they're like, yeah, I look back on that time and like I, it's, it was positive or people are like, no, it ruined my life. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like one or the other. Yeah. A hundred percent. Well, you're so young and impressionable. And I think specifically about being a child actor,

you know what you do before you know who you are. And that's such a weird complex. Yeah. You know. And so you're kind of like a young mind that's like so malleable. And but you don't have a strong sense of self. And then you're spending so much time as other people do. And it's so it almost like delays that process. Not only just like the nature of the job, but also like the demands on you as a person and your schedule and like time and everything. It delays that process. And it delays that process. of like, at least it kind of did for me of finding that sense of self. Yeah. Did you go to, did you go to like regular school or was it like?

I was kind of pulled out of regular school like end of elementary, like going into middle school, I started like the homeschool thing. And high school was like all independent study. I like did a specific program that is for young kids that are working professionally in their field. So, like, there was everyone from, like, the child actors of, like, a Zendaya, like, went to the same school also, like, a Gabby Douglas, you know, it was like Olympian queen. So it was just you still, we still got like a good education, but just with more like leniency with, like, hours and demands of actually having to be in, like, a academic space, like with a

teacher, but you still had to go in and like, yeah. Yeah. That's what I needed. I had some school teachers that got very upset at me and my parents for like having to, you know, miss some time. Yeah. That, yeah. Did you have like set teacher stories? Yeah, but these were like my public school teachers. They would throw a fit to my parents. He literally didn't leave public school until after Twilight came out.

It like was. Wow. Wow. I mean, you can tell your story. I don't need to tell for you. No, yeah. The first one came out. I was still in high school. I was in 10th grade, which became bizarre because then I would be in like,

you know, science, biology. And I would just like see like two kids like turning their phones back at me and like recording me in the classroom. I was like, I don't think this is going to work anymore. But no, I had, I had teachers that would, because I also, I did martial arts was like my life before acting. And so I would miss like once a month. I had to go to a karate tournament in a different area of the country. And my teachers would get so upset with my parents and be like, he cannot be missing this much time. So I could have used that program. Yeah. You were here. You could have had it. Now we know. Yeah. Well, that time I was still in Michigan for all the martial arts. Oh, yeah. Did you do other, did you do karate in any, I did taekwondo when I was younger. Yeah. I got my black belt. I wanted to go. I wanted to go. I wanted to go. I want to. I on it is like one of my best friends. Actually, a few of my like really close friends all are like

deep into that world because that was just like my, that was actually part of my high school experience before I transitioned into that like the actual school. I was online in the learning center of my martial arts academy. What? Yeah, it was a Taekwondo studio. You got your black belt? Yeah. Holy crap. Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I loved it. Yeah. I think my mom just like as I have two older brothers and like as the youngest of three, the only girl, she was like, you're going to learn self-defense at a really young age. And so yeah, but I wanted to go for my second degree. I was like really deep into it. Then I was practicing double nunchucks and I gave myself a black eye and I had to film the next week and she was like, okay, so you have to pick one. You get one and I picked acting. So funny. Probably the right choice. That's so cool. Rick, we should I do you have these things? Do I have what?

He, his thing was a bus stop and he can like spin things and like things. We need to get. We can grab a broomstick. Can we? It's a cart like nunchucks from somewhere. No, no. From the locals. She's in the middle of filming dance with the stars right now.

She can't afford a black eye. Okay, true. Fair enough. Gut tells me she might be a little rusty on the nunchucks. You're right about that. You're right about that. It's been a minute. Never say never.

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thank you later. Um, so before zombies, had you, like, sank and done, like, singing roles before? Let's talk about it. Okay. No. Wow. I had not. And I was terrified. Oh, wow. Genuinely. I was convinced that I could not sing. that I could not hold a tune, that I was like tone deaf. I should never like open my mouth. I was. And that really just like speaks to like the insecurities in our heads and how they can grow and like spin out of control.

Because I genuinely just from like small, minuscule experiences that I had from my childhood, that just stuck with me, you know? And they kind of just ingrained in like my brain and told myself, you know, that that was a no go for. for me. And so that was actually part of the reason why I wanted to do the zombies movies. I just knew that that was the whole singing element was a big mental block for me. And, you know, I knew that I wanted to run towards that fear and not away from it. So I decided that's what I needed to do. And I got over that mental hurdle. But it was really hard. It paid off. It was really hard. I remember

recording my first song. It was a song called Flesh and Bone. Which is insane to me now because you can go on YouTube. It has like over 100 million views. It has so many views. It's insane. I was looking at some of the stuff. It's crazy. Yeah.

The kiddos love the music and I get it. It's catchy. I remember going in. That was my first song I ever recorded for the Zombies franchise. And I thought that I just like watched it. And I remember being like, thank you so much and going into the studio bathroom and just sobbing. I like locked myself in the stall. and just like let it all out.

I thought it was horrible. I thought I was going to get fire. I don't know. I was just, it's like the narratives that you tell yourself, you know? And then I came out, wiped my tears, and then I was like, thank you so much again. And left. Yeah. Yeah.

It was a big thing for me, a big insecurity. How are you with that now after doing a couple? Do you feel better about it? Or do you still kind of feel like an imposter syndrome with it? Yeah, definitely a little bit of imposter syndrome. that I'm still overcoming, and that's just in everything. But I do feel a little bit more comfortable. You know, I think just even being in the space of a studio and like being behind a mic

and listening to my voice back, like, those are all baby steps that I've learned to, like, acknowledge and then also like let those be victories, you know? Like now when I go into the studio and like if I can block out the negative voices, I'm like, okay, that was a win, you know? And so it really is a process, but it's been three movies now and a whole animated series that I'm still something that I like feel a little bit in my body when I walk in, yeah. Has being overly critical on yourself been a thing for you? Like since you yeah, that's, yeah, that runs in you. Yeah, I don't even know where it came from. Um, it's totally self-inflicted. I think I've just always been a very goal-oriented person. Yeah, I would love to know

where perfectionism comes from. Because it wasn't something that even came from my parents. It was just like I am naturally very high achieving and I have very high standards for myself. And then I get really disappointed when I don't meet those standards. And it's something that I really have had to address because it's like a setup for failure because perfection doesn't exist. And exist, you know? And I think being under the illusion that it does is, is the failure, you know, like I think, so I've had to learn and, like, trusting the process and, like, taking the victories when they come, like, being able to identify them and then actually, like, celebrate those. But it's, it's definitely a process and still something that I struggle with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like

the um your career path is a little um difficult to have like having that mentality um how do you he's like uh yeah um how do you feel like you balance that because i just like i couldn't imagine like like going through what like you know all of the audition processes and all of the nose and just like all of those things how do you feel like you've been able to like still balance the perfectionist mentality and still have a love for what you do? That's a great question. I don't know if I have the answer. I definitely don't have the answer. But I think I love being an artist. I have a very creative mind. I get to tell stories for a living and like that's such a gift. And I think no piece of art is perfect. I think no story is perfect.

And so just getting to operate in that space is a constant reminder for me of that. I think, and I think, you know, times where I'm on set where I go for what I perceive is like the perfect take. Like when if I go in and I do exactly what I want to do, it ends up usually not being the best take, you know? Like I try to never be result oriented,

especially as an actor, like you just kind of want to be in the nature of the circumstance of the character. And that's never going to look perfect because people aren't perfect. And so that's a way that I use my craft

to like help with that, you know, inclination to go for the perfection thing. But it's hard. I mean, it's just a constant, like, battle, I think, with myself. But I don't know. the answer. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there's like a healthy heart in there that still like

keeps you motivated too. Yeah. Yeah. Keep working to like keep working to like keep going. I think also too, you know, at the end of the day, especially I could just speak from like what I do. Like I want people to resonate with whatever I put out into the world, whatever, you know, form media that takes. Yeah. And I think people resonate with the journey. They resonate. They with the struggle, the ups and the downs. And so that's how I maintain my love of it because I think that is really what it's all about, not just like the win or the 10 or the ideal version of it. I think like any time I sit and like really look back and reflect on my journey,

like you can't have the rainbow without the rain, you know? And so you have to learn to appreciate. every part of the process. You don't have to love it. You definitely won't. But also I think there's recognition in understanding the importance of it and why it's necessary

to the overall journey. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, that's great. That was very... I think you know the answer. I feel like you answered it in there. Well, saying it is one thing.

Applying it is another. Yeah. Yeah, it's a journey. I want to talk about PLL for a little bit. Did you watch the show? Like the OG? Yeah, the original one.

Yeah, I did. I was probably like 13, 14. So it was my first like Y-A show that I ever watched. And it felt so like risque of like mature. I was talking about this with someone the other day. Like we would have my girlfriends and I like after dance, we would all like go over to someone's house and like watch it. It came out like every Tuesday or something like that.

We would go, go to Whole Foods, pick up, like, pizza, and then we'd go to someone's house and watch. And looking back, I'm like, how was this a YAA show, first of all? Was it a little raunchy? Yeah, it was. Like, Lucy Hale's character literally was, like, dating her teacher. Yeah. Like, people were, like, there was just a lot.

There was a lot. And it was, like, a different time, like, early 2000s. And so I think the show really did, like, write that storyline in particular. to where people were rooting for it, but then you look back at it, back at it and you're like, that was... Oh, I definitely was. I mean, my brain is a 16-year-old.

You're rooting for that relationship? Yeah, I liked them. He was cute and she was cute and I liked them. I didn't, like, think that that was a thing. But, I mean, to be fair, the show was written for you to like them. Like, they wanted viewers to ship those two characters. Got it. But then you look back and you're like,

that's really problematic. And also just, like, scary. My girlfriend rewatched it recently and she was like, this is like, I'm scared rewatching this. Like, where are her parents? Yeah. What are they doing? Why did we watch this and we were like, oh, like, this is fun? Like, she was like, I'm actually scared right now.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the real horror about the story. And I know that your spinoff of it definitely still like is very heavy. Yeah. Of a show. Heavier in a lot of ways. Yeah. How has that experience been like?

like filming that and having to like be in such heavy roles. Great question. It was really, really hard. It was really hard. And I've actually never really spoken about this openly. But it was like a dark time for all of us in a lot of ways. We loved the show so much.

We loved the girls that we were portraying so much. But it was just really heavy material that we were dealing with. And I think we would all go back and do it a hundred times over because I think the results was worth it. And I think the whole point of the show at its core was to reach people that felt isolated by their experiences and remind them that they're not alone. And I think that we achieved that. And I'm really proud of that. The process of creating that, though, and telling those stories just, I think really took a toll. A few things. We were filmed in upstate New York where there's like nothing but mountains.

Beautiful. But like in the dead of winter, the sun just did not shine in that part of the state. And so there was like very little vitamin D for us, girlies. Very few like days off. And we really just like lean on each other, you know, through that time. played an assault survivor and that was, you know, a story that I wanted to do justice. I wanted to portray it in a way that felt real and grounded and not glossing over, I think, like, what had happened to her and because it's not a story that should be glossed over, you know? And I really try to put myself as much in her shoes and in her heart as I could. And so, yeah, it was, it was, it was heavy for sure that time.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, I can only imagine. When did you film that? So that was, that was starting in the summer of 2021. Okay. And it went until the

April of 2022. It was a long, long shoot. Wait, you were you doing that whole time? Wait, 10 episodes? Wait. Why the heck did it take that long?

The heck. That was part of it as well. What kind of budget is this? Geez. I know. I don't think people realize like what happened. It was a long time to be.

filming a TED episode. You literally filmed that whole time. Yeah, we had like a month hiatus and then there was the holidays. It was, the process was majorly delayed because of COVID. Okay. So there was a time where we all ended up getting COVID at one point or another. And we were just, yeah, we were, but we did not shut down because they just kept us on rotation. Like, truly, there were times where some of us were quarantine.

There was a time where I was the only. only one that had not caught it. And I remember having a conversation with the producer basically saying like, hey, so, you know, we're only in production because of you right now. So just be really safe. So I was like not going, that was another reason why I was not going outside. I was like being the utmost careful and cautious and like only ever like I wouldn't go sit in restaurants. I wouldn't go socialize. I was just work home, work home. And that I think exacerbated like the situation in terms of like my mental health. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a shoot. But we were so grateful to have our second season. It kind of felt like a redemption arc for all of us because it was a summer set season. So we filmed it like only like spring through the end of summer. It was two less episodes and we were able to like zip through it because COVID kind of had calmed down a bit. So yeah, it was it was a little bit more.

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And how important it is, I had none at that time. I didn't realize that I didn't have life outside of the job. Yeah. And why it's so important to. I was just all about, you know, the character and showing up and doing the best, job that I could do. And I put way too much pressure on myself. And I was living in such a heavy state for so long. I actually kind of went a little numb emotionally. And I felt really drained. And I kind of, it sent me into a bit of a spiral because as an actor, you need to show up and

portray real emotions. And you pull on your emotional life to do that. And as someone that wasn't feeling much of anything, I was like, how do I show up and do me? my job. And so I think, you know, I think that this applies to everyone. I think it's not just like being a creative, I think especially in that field, you know, so much of your art is informed by your life. But for anyone, you know, I think in order to show up and give your best, you also need to be like giving to yourself outside of, you know, the job. And so that was, that was what I learned. I I needed to pour into my cup in order to pour into the work because I was trying to pour from an empty cup and that just doesn't work. Yeah.

That's such a good. It's such a good reminder. I need that reminder like once a month. Yeah. You do. Yeah. No, I know that. Oh, I know.

I know that you know that. Well, I realized like I, and this was a horrific epiphany for me, but I realized I had no hobbies. No hobbies. Me too. Yes. And I'm like, wait. In a podcast, like maybe a month or two. Were you just, like, terrified?

Yeah. I literally was like, what do I do? I asked you, wait, were we together? Was it in press that we were doing? I think it was. Someone was like, what are your hobbies? And I literally looked at Taylor and I was like, crickets. What do I do?

I was asked the same question. And I was horrified to realize that I could not come up with a singular thing. Wow. Nothing that I do just for myself. That's not for work. That's not for someone else. That's just for the pure. enjoyment of it. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. This is a huge problem. Yeah. I need to get a life.

Yeah. For real. And so it was a big mental shift for me coming out of that. And I really am like kind of in that time in my life now where I'm like really nourishing my home life and my personal life. And it makes me not only a better actor, but also like a better person, a better friend, a better daughter and sister, like, bleeds into all areas of your life. So, girl, I'm with you. Yeah. We're, we're working on our hobbies. Have you, like, figured out one, not you? I have two now. I have two. I'm really excited about that. What's your new ones? Okay. I'm really excited to share this. Hopefully not nunchucks. Okay, no. No. No, I have gotten into line dancing. Wow. It's so fun. Yeah. I love it. It just brought me so much joy. And I really,

I realize I could just show up and like, just be mean, just do my thing. And it's not for any other reason other than the fact that it puts a smile on my face. Yeah. So funny. I love that. That and scrapbooking. That's my other hobby. Scrapbooking.

Oh my gosh. I'm like so grandma, but I was going to say. I love that. No, I need to. I always say once we have kids, then I'll like get into scrapbooking. Oh yeah. You'll be all over it. Yeah.

Like my mom did such cute ones. My mom too. Yeah. That's where it came from. Yeah. My mom had like all this old, you know, arts and craft stuff and like stickers and stationary. And I was like, wait, I could put this to good use. I can still see like the old scissors that my mom would have and they would have like the different edges.

Yes. Make it all cute. But like the scalloped ends. Your mom does scrapbooks. Why did I just blank on that? Yeah. His mom does a scrapbook or did she? She said she was going to stop and she didn't.

Yeah. Did she not? Or last year? I think we. Every year for Christmas, she makes a scrapbook. book for me and my sister. It's just the two of us. That's like the whole year. So she takes like photos and, uh, you know, little random like things from our year and makes this huge scrap book out of it. That's like the 2022 scrapbook. And yeah, on Christmas, um, Eve, she gives it to us.

Yeah, it's like the scrapbook and pajamas. That's like, yeah, that's the tradition. Yeah, she spends a lot of time on those scrapbooks. Oh my. Gosh, that's really special. I got a step up my game. I'm slacking. Yeah, did you have an answer on that hobby? Shush. I'm working on it.

We're going to find you one. I'm like, I'm annoying because like my gut reaction is to say like is cleaning and organizing a hobby, which it's not, but it is, but it's not. It can't, it can't be a hobby. Yeah, no, that's not a hobby. I like strolling target. You do like strolling target. Love a Target. A Target hates to see me coming. I could spend hours. Oh, especially around the holidays. Yeah. They bring out all the cute little decor. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's very dangerous. Dangerous for the checkbook.

Mm-hmm. What? I think I like, nothing's going to like work. Yeah, maybe just say you're going to work on it. I'm going to work on it. I'm going to work on it. I'll report back on it. I'm going to work. Okay. It's time. Let's talk about Dancing with the Stars. Okay. Hallelujah. I've been waiting. I'm waiting. I also like have been, I hope I remember because as we've been talking, I've been thinking of questions. For this? Yeah. Okay.

I'm going to, yeah, you start. Okay. I'm going to write down a couple before. I want to know when you were first approached for it. Yeah. Did you ever have any hesitation or was it an automatic? Like, yeah. Oh, it was automatic.

Okay. I knew immediately. Okay. It was always a dream of mine growing up. Was it? Yeah. I like loved watching it with the whole family. We would gather around the TV.

be. I was, I think I was five when the show premiered. Okay. So I was, I just remember like being really young and watching all these elaborate dance numbers. I was like, I want to do that one day. And then forgot about it and then got to a point in my career where I was like, wait, this could actually be a real thing. And then it just, the stars aligned. Yeah. Yeah. How has it been different to what you imagined it would be like It's more intense It's way more intense than I thought Yeah

Just like the schedule The schedule No days off Which is fine I think people actually do take days off I think I just don't I need to start asking around Are you guys taking days off?

I might just be the only one that's like He's in the studio every day But yeah it's more intense not only physically the demands on your body, but also mentally and emotionally. Like I, with every passing week with the eliminations, my stomach just turned into a knot, especially last night.

I really, I was really, really, really concerned, actually. I, you have no idea. And also the competition is so stiff. You see these like four-way ties every week because everybody is so good. And so, yeah, I've really, I think my strategy has just been like going in with no expectations and like taking it as it comes and like letting it be what it is and just like radical acceptance. That's what I've been trying to practice through this entire process because it's also unexpected.

There's so many twists and turns. And so I'm just like trying to stay open. Yeah. Yeah. How has it been like learning ballroom styles? Because I don't think a lot of people realize truly, like, how different that is. Like, even if you do, like, you did grow up dancing. Yeah.

Ballroom is literally, like, another language. Its own beast. Yes, I did dance when I was younger. And that has helped me in some areas. I like to say it's given me tools that, like, when I walk into the rehearsal space, I'm equipped with, you know, being able to pick up choreography, understanding how to count music, which helps a lot. But, you know, there's not a whole lot more that translates. In fact, the first couple of weeks of like being on the show, I've had to unlearn a lot because my

natural instinct is just actually wrong. It's like the opposite of what I should be doing. You know, ballroom. You're also dancing with another person. That is the biggest game of trust ever. You know, you're not only trusting someone like physically, but also like the mental challenge of like, oh, so like if I jump into your arms, are you going to drop me or like, will you be there? And so that's a big, that's been one of my like biggest challenges, I think, especially in the first couple of weeks, a note that we would get is like the partnership, you know, I always want a lead, but I have to follow. And so that's as simple as like, you know, if Brandon takes my hand and, like, turns me a certain way, like, I have to wait for his lead before I can, like,

move in that direction. I love to do my own thing. Strong independent women. So it's just, it's a lot of, it's very specific. It's very specific. And also, it's very scientific. Like, there's a lot of physics to ballroom that I didn't. realize, you know, like the way you hold your head and like the posture and the frame, it's all so that you can like cut through the air as fast as possible and as seamless. And like the way that you hold your hand when you're turning, it's like close to your head because you can actually like do complete like one full rotation faster versus like if your arm is up, it throws your balance. And so I'm learning so much. And I love to learn if you couldn't tell.

I'm like a constant student. So I've been enjoying like. all of the intricacies of ballroom. Yeah. How has Brandon been as a partner? He's amazing. He's awesome. I love getting to work with him. I think there's a magic to like how they pair everyone up. And, you know, I think our partnership is no different. He's very, he pushes me very hard, which I appreciate because I always want to be the best version of myself on the floor and off. And he believes in me sometimes more than I believe in myself. I think I get very anxious. I can get very anxious. And with the outside noise and online opinions and even what the judges have to say and he has been, he's been a rock. He also feels a lot too. And I think that he could talk more about that.

And I think that's something that he's learning from me. Because, um, He does, I think, put a lot of pressure on himself to, like, be cool, calm, and collected. And he is a lot of the time. But also, like, at this point, this is the furthest that he's gone in the competition ever. And I know he feels a lot of that pressure as well. And so it's nice because we can share the load of that together. And I think that's, like, the core of the partnership, you know. That's so sweet.

What year is this for him? This is his seventh season. Seventh? Yeah. As a pro? As a pro. Yeah. Oh, wow.

And this is the furthest he's gone. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes. I know. I know. Wow. It's a big deal. And I'm really excited about it because he deserves it so much. He works so hard.

And going back to our partnership, like, we work so well together because we both are hungry. Like, he's hungry because he wants it. You know, like, he wants to be able to do a freestyle, like, in the finale. And he should. He's an incredible choreographer. He is, like, so ambitious. And I think every time he steps into the rehearsal space, he's, like, wanting to try, things and experiment and like get the best, best, best version of the thing. So that's been a lot of

our journey, like just workshopping. Like even this last dance, Halloween night, people do not know this. And I will say it. We changed half the dance the night before camera blocking. What? Yeah. So typically your dance is locked in by Thursday. Camera blocking is Monday. So we, Sunday night, we changed the entire middle section of the dance. And then I walked in Monday. camera blocked it. Still didn't know what I was doing. We had to schedule an extra rehearsal so we could like catch up. Yeah.

And then performed it Tuesday. Wow. So, but that's, that just speaks to like our standard for ourselves. Because, you know, beyond the scores, beyond outside opinion, like we want to be proud of what we do at the end of the day. So was that just because you guys didn't feel like it was as good as you could give? We thought that it could be better. Yeah. We thought that it could be better.

Wow. But it's risky to like change things that late in the game. Dang. Yeah. But you couldn't tell. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. If you were inside my brain, you would definitely know. It was a bunch of like mini Chandler's just like running around. There were things on fire. Like searching through file cabinets. Like what's the step? What is it? But yeah, hopefully on the outside it looked really great.

Yeah, for sure. I wonder if people, and this is not a question for you, I wonder if people ever like get paired together and they just can't stand each other. Because for the most part, it does. I'll say that. Okay. Okay. I don't think on our season though.

Okay. But yeah, I've heard stories. You've heard stories. Yeah. Because that would be tough, I would imagine. With the amount of time you have to spend and like the connection you have to have. Yes. If you just can't stand your partner.

It's I, yeah, I can only imagine. Brandon is the only person that I've spent every day with in the last, two months. He's the only person I've seen every single day. Without fault. And yeah, it's funny. We're so, like, sibling. Like, he's so big brother. And with that, we, like, bicker like siblings. Do you? But we do. We do. We do. Which we haven't talked much about. We're always like, yes, it's so great. It is great. But I think there's just, like, that's bound to happen. And, you know, like, I think also we, we have high expectations of ourselves and each other.

And it's this weird power dynamic where it's like, you are so dependent on each other. And so, yeah, we're always kind of like pushing for the best. And with that push comes a little like push with each other. Yeah. But it's always for the best. Yeah, it's like a collaborative space. So, like, you got to have that. Yeah.

Like, be able to grow and stuff. But I, like, wouldn't trade our partnership for the world. He's the best. I love that. That's so sweet. I do have a question because we were talking about this and I'm curious like your feelings on it. But a lot of the people, all of the people, everyone. I don't know what you're going to say. All of them. All of the celebrities have like play themselves. Like they are famous because like they are themselves. Yes. And this is like the first time that you are quote unquote playing yourself. Yes. How, how has that been? Like, do you feel like you've been like, not questioning who you are, but like trying to find a sense of self throughout this? 110%. Yes. Everyone's, I don't even know what to call it. I'll just say like rise to fame, you know, has been as themselves, you know, like the athletes, like Danny and Dwight and Alona and Stephen, like they're all known as themselves. Fadra, she's a reality TV star. You know, we had shout out to Mr. Eric and Mr. Reggie,

our kings, who went too soon. I love them. But they were the only other actors on the season, and they went like in the second, third week. And so by like third, fourth week, I'm like kind of looking around and just feeling a difference, I think, an approach to the process. Yeah.

When I first signed on to do the show, I thought, yeah, like, I have existed in front of cameras my whole life. Like, that's not a problem. Yeah. But I didn't realize that this is reality TV. I knew that intellectually. I just didn't really, like, internalize it and what that would mean for me. And I think everyone knows me as the characters that I play. And any press that I've done has been around the work that I've done.

I'm not even really big on the social media. media's. The way I said that was really exposing of that. On the social medias. Oh my gosh. Don't take my Gen Z card away. And so, yeah, people don't like know me. And so I think in that way I've felt maybe a little behind just in like the approach to this and like not bringing other character stories to last. but like bringing my story to life and being vulnerable about me and who I am. And so definitely a weird, like, I think conflict with like sense of self and like trying to navigate how much I want to share and like how much I want to keep to myself.

Like I generally am a pretty private person. But I also like want to have give something that people can connect with. Yeah. You know, but it is just a very, like, scary thing to, like, put yourself up for, like, judgment like that. And I commend anyone that has done that and who does that. And I'm learning a lot, though, through it. And I've also, I think, felt pressure as well because, obviously, everyone now online is not commenting on characters or whatever. They're commenting on me and my character and my, who I am.

And I think there's been, there was kind of a narrative online that like, I think people felt like this was very easy for me. And I think part of that, I do work really hard. And I wish that the packages showed more of the struggles that I have in rehearsal. Because Brandon and I have had hours worth at this point of conversation about my self-doubt and my struggle with perfectionism and sense of self. And all of the, you know, these things and how they pertain to this show. And you just don't see that stuff as much. So that's hard. And I think also I am such a perpetually positive person. Like I always just look at the bright side. Every time I sit down to do those interviews, like I will put an like I have an optimistic outlook on everything. So even if I'm in the struggle, I'm like, but I'm going to get up and do it anyway because that's what I'm here to do. And I think. I think I need to allow myself to sit in the struggle a little bit more so people can get to see that side of me. Because I think I like anyone, you know, you have a tendency to like tuck those away.

You don't want people to see when you're struggling. And I think that's a larger conversation about the way that I operate in life. I don't even always show the struggle to the people that are close to me. So to have the expectation to show it to millions of people around. Around America's like, yeah, it's just been a big learning curve for me. Yeah. How are you so self-aware? It's shocking to me.

Like, I, like. Yeah, thank you. Like, you're just so impressive, like, everything you say in the way that, like, you see and address, like, you're just like the most self-aware person. It's, like, incredible. Well, my mom has a master's in clinical psychology. Okay. She was going for her doctorate. She worked as a therapist for a really long time.

She worked in drug and alcohol rehabilitation. So, like, she's seen a lot. Yeah. The only reason why she doesn't have her doctorate is because I popped out the womb and was like, I'm going to be an actor. And so that kind of, she gave up her career for mine. Wow. And I love her. She's amazing.

Yeah. I hope you guys get to me in her one day. She's the best. But she, I like to say I kind of, I grew up with talk therapy just by the way that she operates. And has taught me from a really young age to like look at things and like sit with myself. And like if I'm having a feeling, being able to identify it and then trace it back to its root. And so that's, those are, you know, skills that I started developing from a really, really young age. And I'm so grateful because it's a crazy world out here. And so I was learning how to do those things

before I even realized what they were. Yeah. But I credit my mom. That makes perfect sense. She's awesome. That's so sweet. But thank you for saying that. I appreciate that.

How can people vote for you? Because, like, let's talk about it. We got a vote. We got a vote. Well, on Tuesdays, you can text Chandler to 21523 10 times. So you get that little text that says you've exceeded the voting limit. Then just send one more for good measure.

Just to be sure. Make sure it was 10. And then online, I don't know what that website is, but I always just type in DWTS vote and it comes up on ABC. Well, like put a little banner here. Yeah, a little banner. But all the support is so immensely appreciated. So thank you.

Well, we are rooting for you. Thanks, guys. We will be voting 10, 20 times. 20 times total. Yes. Look at that. Yeah. I had to count how many hands we had.

You guys have 20. 20 fingers together. Yeah, no, we'll be watching you every week. Thank you. Hoping, you know, more importantly than you're dancing and everything, you just are staying, you know, mentally good. Yeah. Because I know it's a lot.

Yeah. So, yeah. We'll be rooting for it. in that sense as well. Honestly, thank you. Even getting to sit here and like voice it with you guys, a lot of things that I actually haven't even really said out loud to myself has been a lot. I do want to remind you. Very helpful to me. You did say you were okay when we started this. And at the end of this interview, you were like, I need to work on saying like how I'm actually feeling. So I think you are working on it. I think you are getting better at it without knowing.

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