The Squeeze - Chelsea Cutler: Learning to Let Go

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

When it comes to mental health, today’s guest is known for putting hers front and center through her incredible music. In this episode, Tay and Taylor get to hear all about Chelsea Cutler��s journey to becoming the artist she is today; plus, we find out she’s boy Tay’s birthday buddy! Chelsea shares when she first found herself gravitating toward music and how she reached the decision to drop out of college and pursue music full-time, a choice that often still feels very surreal. She opens up about the importance of low-maintenance friendships, the reality of our devices affecting our mental health, the boundaries she sets while on tour, and facing the pressure of always feeling we need to be doing more. Her new album, Stellaria, is all about the beauty around us and the value of being present. So, be sure to stay present through this episode, Lemon Drops – it's a good one.  Make sure to follow Chelsea @chelseacutler, check out her new album Stellaria and grab your tickets for the Beauty is Everywhere Tour!  Thanks to our awesome sponsors for supporting this episode:  Apostrophe — Get your first consultation visit with a dermatologist for only $5 with our special code THESQUEEZE at apostrophe.com/thesqueeze  Caraway — Visit Carawayhome.com/THESQUEEZE to take advantage of this limited-time offer for 10% off your next purchase. This deal is exclusive for our listeners, so visit Carawayhome.com/THESQUEEZE or use code THESQUEEZE at checkout.  Cerebral — Cerebral is giving our listeners 15% off their first month of online therapy, medication or both. Get started at Cerebral.com/podcast and use code thesqueeze. Offer only valid on monthly plans. Other exclusions may apply. See site for details.  Squeezed.com — Get same day local delivery or Free Fast delivery nationwide with code THESQUEEZE at squeezed.com  To email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to [e-mail]. Be sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on Instagram, @thesqueeze and personally @taylautner and @taylorlautner + on TikTok @thesqueezepodcast   To learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow @lemonsbytay on Instagram and visit lemonsbytay.com  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Woo. Two Taylors is better than fun. Welcome to Wednesday or Wednesday. whatever day it is you're listening to this podcast. Wednesday, Wednesday. We are excited to have you and we have a very... Is that the hummingbird again? I think it may have been.

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Yeah. Oh my gosh. Okay, we really have to name him. This is so funny. What are you excited about today? Our guest. You're excited about our guest? Yeah. I am too. because we are genuine fans for a while of this person. This Chelsea Cutler herself we had on the squeeze. She's so cool. If you guys have not checked out her music, you need to. Because she's so talented. It's insane.

Her voice is nuts. Yeah. But she's also just like the coolest person ever. She's so cool and she calls herself like the biggest nerd. But she like is like the coolest nerd to ever. Yeah, literally. She just like has this cool like. energy about her. And she was like, I'm such a nerd. I'm like, you don't give nerd energy,

whatever energy that may be. But yeah, we were really excited to talk to her and just kind of dope into her mental health struggles. Obviously, musicians, they go on tour. They do a lot of things that aren't the best for their mental health. And Chelsea was very open and honest with us about some of those struggles. Yeah. I mean, her music also, like her music itself, she's so, it's so like raw. And she just talks about a lot of, you know, different topics and things that she's personally struggled with her life through her music. Yeah. But yeah, her music's amazing. Go look her up on Spotify or whatever, Apple right now.

Yeah, we'll leave her linked down below. But I hope you guys enjoy the subset. Yeah. All right. Chelsea, thank you for being with us. We are so excited. We, I mean, honestly, we were just talking about this before. we started rolling, but this is, it feels long overdue because we, we have been big fans of yours

for a while. We love your music. We love everything you do with the platform you have. So we're really just honored to have you here on The Squeeze with us. Thank you. That's so kind. I, I feel very similarly about you guys. It's super mutual and I've been looking forward to this and been hoping for this you know, for a long time. So I'm glad we're making it happen. Here we are. We're doing it. This is a selfish question, just because I'm a diehard fan of your music. When did you start music? Like, was that, did you start as a kid? Was it always a part of your life? Or was it like a later thing? It definitely has been a big part of my life forever. Honestly, like my parents had my brother and me in piano lessons when we were

honestly I was probably in preschool Wow and Wait where did you guys grow up Me Michigan girl Tay here She's an OG Californian oh cool Okay so my parents are both from New Jersey Okay, and are like Bruce Springsteen stands Yeah okay

As much as that generation can be and My parents literally were taking us to Bruce Springsteen concerts from, I don't know, it probably wasn't even healthy for a baby to be exposed to that sound level and my parents were just like, okay, we're going. So music, yeah, music was just like always a really big thing for us. Oh my gosh.

Do they, are they, like, do they play any musical instruments or do they just like love music? Oh my gosh. No. Not at all. My dad can like kind of sing, but he kind of does it more satirically. And my mom, she knows she's telling us. Okay.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. That's like me. I know. Yeah, but my dad's a painter. Oh, artsy? Yeah. Okay.

Like, that's what he does for a living. So it was kind of like more, it was more, I think, accepted in our household for us to go into the arts professionally than maybe it is in households that are more like, okay, you're going to law school or med school. Yeah. Yeah, I was, I was going to get there. Did you, at what point did you start thinking this could potentially be a career? It honestly probably wasn't until I met my manager.

Okay. I feel like, so I went to boarding school and then I went to like a really small liberal arts school. And again, everyone around me was essentially studying econ, pre-law. Med, you know, pre-med. Yeah. And I kind of felt really lost. I didn't know what I wanted to do with that.

And honestly, when I met my manager and he kind of started making everything real, because I knew nothing, I was connected to no one. I knew nothing. He knew people at record labels and he knew people at Spotify. And he was in the mix. And even just having kind of his cosign. honestly made me realize, oh, wait, this is real. He actually knows what he's doing and this can be a real thing.

Yeah. Oh, wow. How did you, how did you guys find each other? Like, were you, like, making covers or, like, how? Mutual friends. Like, yeah. How did you get in contact with the manager? So he manages a bunch of other artists who I've become friends with.

And the first time I was hanging out with an artist named AOK, he was staying at my manager. manager Jesse's apartment in the city. And so I was like, oh, I'll just, I'll drive you home. I'll drop you off. And took him up town and literally just Jesse like came down from his apartment wearing, do you guys remember those like Adidas sandals that have the wings on them? They're like very uncool.

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And Jesse came down literally wearing like a flat room hat and those in basketball shorts. And I was like, these, yep. Is this the man who's going to have my career in his hands? Oh, wow. That's what I would have seen. My career, I didn't say. I would have seen these shoes and ran out the door. Oh, my gosh.

Those are so funny. They're so good. They're so bad. So is that? Because you guys, like, it feels like you have this, like, group of, I'm jumping way ahead here. Go ahead. But it feels like. We don't need structure.

It feels like you guys have this, like, group of a few, you know, of you different artists that are friends and you, like, tour together. Is that, is Jesse the common thread then? Yeah. That's really cool. So, I don't know if you've. guys are like me, but I definitely had goals and, you know, challenges and things I wanted to stick to this year. And it's proven to be a little difficult. Try and do that. And we all know it's easy

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So you were in college and you ended up dropping out of college to fully pursue music, correct? Was that terrifying? Or like you said, because you came from an artistic family, it was, you know, maybe not as bad. I think it was definitely less terrifying than it probably is for someone whose parents are... Wouldn't support it at all. Yeah, are not supportive at all. Yeah. My parents actually were the ones who kind of sat me down and told me to leave school, which is insane.

Wow. And it's obviously scary. Honestly, my girlfriend would probably testify that at least once a week or once a month, I look at her and I'm just kind of like, so I don't have a degree. So like, I can't, what am I going to do? Yeah. And he's like, what are you talking? Everything's fine.

Are you an overthinker? Definitely. Okay. Yeah. Like things are going, things are going all right for you. But I love that you're still thinking of, you know, the backup plan. Yeah, because I don't know if you guys ever think about that. But sometimes I kind of think, okay, the only skill set that I have is being a recording and touring musician.

And obviously there are a lot of subsets in that, which, my overthinking obviously tends to skip over but on a grand scheme I'm like okay so I don't feel like I don't what are my skill sets like I don't know what are my other skillset I feel like I feel like I understand that because I I I'm a nurse and I like I don't actively work as a nurse anymore but I still keep my license yeah just I don't know one day maybe I'll like yeah want to use it again like actually like in the field use it again So I totally, I feel like I really like that because I definitely think about all of those things. Yeah, I mean, this industry as a whole is so unpredictable.

It's like nothing is ever guaranteed. So I, yeah, I get it. I get it for sure. But I, yeah, I think I think you're going to be all right. Thanks. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, if anyone ever throw some criticism, I'm going to be like, well, Taylor said I'm doing great. You just give them my number.

Taylor said up doing great. I love that. So you've been, you know, very open about your mental health struggles through your music and the media and just kind of your battle with depression. Did you struggle with your mental health at all prior to, like, being in the spotlight? Definitely, yeah. I think that it was my freshman year of college that I realized something wasn't. quite right. I was actually in an intro to psych class.

Oh, wow. And the professor was going through symptoms of depression. And I was kind of annoyingly, like, elbowing my, because I played soccer and college, so I had some teammates in the class and we obviously didn't know each other super well yet. Yeah. I would elbow them kind of be like, yo, are you guys like, are you guys also waking up praying for it to be 11 p.m. so you can go to bed.

Right. Like, no. And so, yeah, it was like freshman year of college that I kind of realized, oh, oh, no, something's not right. And, yeah, I actually think, like, interestingly enough, my kind of entrance into the music industry happened coincidentally as the music industry was starting to really open up about mental health, too. And so I think that's been, yeah, that was a really interesting coincidence for me. Well, I'm curious, too, like with, like, the soccer background because I know, like, athletes tend to feel less inclined to share when they're struggling. Did you feel that at all or did you feel like, you know, I, like, feel like I feel like I feel like I'm in a safe environment. Like, did you, like, after that, did you continue to question it or were you just like, no, something is wrong?

No, I think, I think the athlete culture definitely played into it. And I also think, so I'm, okay, so I'm 26. So this was eight years ago. And I think eight years ago, things were so different. Very, yeah. I remember I would tell a friend, I'd be like, I have a mess. I have to, like, tell you something. I haven't told anyone.

And I'd be like, I have depression. And it was like this massive thing. And now, now everyone is like my mental illness. And it's obviously an entirely. That's a different world than eight years ago for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know how it's hard to like figure out how to attribute that to either sports or maybe just where culture was at at the time.

Yeah. I'm not really sure. You guys are. You guys are the same age. Are you 97? Yeah. When's your birthday? March.

Nice. February. Oh, February what? 11. Bro, we have the same birthday? No, we don't. Yes, we do. Do we actually?

February 11th? February 11th, 1997, baby. February 11th, 1992. Let's go. That's so crazy. We share that birthday with Jennifer Aniston in case you were wondering. If there was any two people in the world I could share a birthday with, this is like best case scenario. I don't disagree with that.

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Birthday buddies. Oh, that's going to be a fun clip. Wow. Oh, my gosh. That's so good. Wow. Okay. Well, happy early birthday because we're coming up on it quick.

I know. How old are you turning? 92. 30. 32. Yeah. Oh, 32. Oh, 2022.

I know. We're in 2024. What does that feel like? 32? It's, yeah, like it's 30 hard. And then after that, it's kind of like, okay, this is we're here. For me, for me, 30 actually wasn't. Like, I feel like my upper 20s, like 28, 29 were kind of worse.

I think maybe I like took the pain of 30 then. So then when I got to 30, I feel like you're really excited to turn 30. I was. Like you were in a really good, like, mental space. And it was, it was like a good, a good year. Surprise myself. Yeah, I think, I think I was so, like, you know, nervous. and stressed about it in my upper 20s,

that by the time I got to 30, I was like, you know what? I actually feel ready for this next chapter of life. I feel like it really is like a metaphor of what is going on in my life. And I'm excited for that chapter. So I actually was, I was happy about it. Yeah, I love that.

But 32 has a different ring to it. Do you have any reservation of turning 27? at all because I have... Girl, we need to talk. I... Wait, do you? Yeah. Okay.

27 is the number. She's been freaking about it. I haven't freaked about a number, like, at all, ever. And, I mean, it also helps that, you know, my husband is older than me, so I feel like it's made the numbers, like, less scary, in my opinion. Yeah, it's like, you have to brace it before I do,

so I know what to expect. But literally since, probably, like, what, June of this year? I think is when I, like, randomly texted you, I was like, I'm turning 27. And he's like, calm down. You literally have like 10 months before you turn 27. But I don't know why. I'm like, it's stressing me out a little bit. No, I'm right there with you. Do you feel like maybe you're doing what boy Taylor did and you're kind of preemptively going through the anxiety of it now? I mean, yeah, I guess. I don't. I feel like

it makes sense. I like, I feel like 27 is the first one that you actually feel like in your upper 20s. Yeah, I think also this year and next year kind of like the first year is back from COVID. Like I feel like I lost like a couple years of like. Like you jumped from 24 to 26 real quick. I went from 24 to freaking almost 27 now. Like I feel like maybe that's it.

I heard someone say that that could be a thing. I get that. I get that. It's real. But. Because I do feel like, I remember. So we were just turning 20. 23 when COVID happened?

Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. I just turned 23, I think. Come March will be four years ago. So. Yeah, 23. Yeah. 23.

Yeah. So I do feel like to an extent we lost, like 23 to 26 is. Big years. Yeah, big years. I think that you still have a lot of liberty in the context of being kind of young and dumb. Yeah. Being 26, 27 kind of feels like, okay, time to, you know, grow up and be a person. And I feel like we didn't maybe get those like young, dumb, fun years so much.

Yeah, maybe that's it. But it's also all, it's all fake. Yeah. Yeah, 23 to 26 is very, I feel like, forming years for sure. Yeah, I feel like it, like blurred and I blinked it. I'm like, wait, what? I mean, I don't know how it was for you guys too, but in New York, essentially, I mean, it shut down entirely.

So I spent a year with my parents actually accidentally, which is kind of how it goes. I flew home from tour with my tour suitcase. And I was like, oh, I guess I'll go see them since I have this free time now. And it became a year. Wow. Oh, wow. Yeah.

How was that? Was that, are you guys close? I think that I kept trying to remind myself, I think that when we are old and our parents are gone, where those of us who quarantined with our parents, I think, are going to be really grateful that we had that time. Because obviously most 23, 24-year-olds, like I would have been in the city seeing them maybe once a month otherwise, you know? Yeah, that's a really, that's a great outlook. Yeah, true. It's very true.

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kind of like episode in resented being on tour. What was going on during that period of time? Because, I mean, obviously, we know that touring is not an easy task. But what was that like for you? I think that a lot just happened really quickly. I left school and then I toured really consistently pretty much every fall and spring and then summers were starting to, you know, become a little bit more crowded with festivals. And yeah, it just all happened really fast. And I think that

while a lot of my friends around me seemed like they were kind of building their social worlds in New York City, I didn't really feel a part of that in a lot of ways. Yeah. Because I just wasn't, I wasn't really home very much. And when I was home, it didn't. feel like I was home long enough to to really devote time to those relationships. Yeah. Because I do feel like a lot of the time in adulthood, seeing your friends feels like checking a box, like you're going down the list of like, okay, I saw this person. I saw you.

I saw you. I saw you. It's like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're not really diving deeper. Yeah. And yeah, I think I just felt exhausted by it.

And weirdly enough post. COVID, I've felt the opposite towards it. I think just because I miss it so much. That's, yeah, it's such a real thing. Like, as you get older and you, you know, life comes and life happens and you have so many different aspects of life. Yeah, it's so easy to start feeling like, you know, seeing your friends and catching up with your friends is like a job. Yeah. And it has nothing to do with how you, you know, feel towards. them. Yeah.

You love them to death. But it, yeah, it can be, it can be a lot. And it's a tough, sometimes it's a tough balance to figure out. Yeah. Tough adjustment. Yeah. I feel like we've definitely, because I feel like I've been in a very busy season the past like couple of years.

Like definitely have lost friends. But my like close friends, I, like, my best friend lives in Austin. And like, we don't like, tech. on the daily. Like, we do like a face time, us, us and her and her and her husband, like, you know, quarterly. Like, we'll do like a big face time. And we talk every so often.

But I feel like the reason why we're able to be, like, best friends is because it's so low maintenance. And that's how a lot of my close friends are. Is like, you know, we understand that there's, the other is going through a lot. You know, we're all dealing, you know, with our own stuff and their jobs and whatnot. And we don't want it to feel like that, you know,

ticking the box either when we're able to like see each other we want it to be like real intentional time right yeah i think honestly that low maintenance friendships are something it's it's kind of undervalued i think it's the most sustainable way to have friendships in adulthood and i don't know i just i kind of feel like no one's talking about that enough like low maintenance friendships that's really important yeah I had a friend who, like, recently was saying his piece on, essentially, he was kind of touting like the importance of being able to flake. Like the importance of having friends who understand that on a particular day, you might not be feeling up to those plans. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I think that's where that's definitely true. The low maintenance friend is a great friend. Yeah. I mean, not saying that friends to see each other at the time.

It's a bad thing. That's great. But, you know, when you're busy with life and don't have that time, friends that are able to know that you love them, even if you're not seeing them or talking to them daily, is a great thing. And just like now that you, like, trust. Like, I know my best friend is not questioning our friendship when I haven't texted her in a couple weeks. Like, you know, I know that we love each other. And we're still best. Yes. Exactly. And I think, I think it's malleable too. Like, I think there are obviously times. if one of you is going through something where it's obviously like I don't think the standard obviously needs to be low maintenance but I think exactly what you're saying just having that kind of secure understanding that I love you even though I've you know I've been on tour for six weeks and I haven't been able to text every day or yeah yeah yeah I think that's really important have you had to put because I just the world of touring

fascinates me I just can't imagine it but have you have you had to put any boundaries in place while you're on tour to make sure that your mental health stays in a good place. I'm curious in what ways going on tour is similar to doing a shoot. Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess the only difference is. You're stationary. Yeah, just.

Pretty much. Yeah, the shoot, you're at least staying in, you know, one bed for, you know, two to three months. Right. And, you know, essentially going to the same place to work every day. So just, I guess the travel is really the biggest difference. Yeah. Like, I feel like you're, like, you're still able to keep somewhat of a routine.

Yeah. Like, obviously your shoot times may change. Like, if there's a night shoot, but, you know, you're going back to the same place. You, like, you have some type of routine. Yeah. And I'm bad when I don't have a routine. Like, I can, like, I fall out of my routine. and then my life is in shambles

and I need to like, I feel like I have to start over again. So, yeah, I feel like the consistency of still being able to have a normal routine, but I'm sure that's the case for you. I'm sure you, you know, learn what your routine is or what your life looks like.

Yeah, I think the kind of interesting similarity there is that obviously we're in a different city every day, but you're living on a tour bus. So it kind of is still, like I do still have my, my bed, you know, the same bed and the same, I usually like take the back room of the bus. So I kind of still have like a traveling hotel room with me. Yeah. So that that much of it honestly does feel pretty consistent and nice, especially like once you're a week into tour and you're kind of like

moved in. Yeah. And surrounded by the same people, right? You got like your group that's with you that's consistent. Yeah. When you guys are on, when you're on a shoot, do you feel like there's usually like a sense of community. For sure. With the crew and everyone. Yeah. Absolutely. I'm sure.

Yeah. I'm sure it's the same, right? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That's the best part I think is getting to kind of surround yourself with people you really love and also admire a lot as musicians and as people. So it kind of feels like adult camp in a lot of ways. Right.

I think to not to, yeah, not to move too far away from your question of boundaries. I think that a personal boundary. that I definitely have is, is I think that I cut myself a lot more slack with communication, um, with people kind of, kind of similar to what we were talking about about low maintenance friendships, but when I'm on tour, I recognize that what I'm doing is, it's really like socially demanding. Yeah. Um, obviously doing meet and greet and VIP and then to perform for a, you know, however many people for two hours every night is, I would say it takes a lot of my extroverted energy.

So I recognize that like I don't need to be them. I'm like, I'm extremely communicative like generally. Like I text friends really often. I talk on the phone with friends really often. And I think tour is kind of the one place that I take a step back from that and just exist. kind of in the bubble that is tour. Okay. Yeah.

That makes sense. Yeah, I was thinking like, you know, obviously, like, when you're working, you're still having to, like, perform in the sense of, like, you're acting, like, as this character and whatever, but I feel like, like, performing on a stage, like, for people. Like, I feel like you're, when you're, like, acting, you're performing, like, not for yourself, but it's, like, you're not having to, like, exude this, like, hype energy and like yeah like it's not socially draining like if you if you have any sort of social anxiety I would think your occupation would be a very challenging one yeah definitely um yeah

I don't know it's it's really interesting because I don't it's so funny I think if you asked me 10 years ago or when I was you know first in college do you want to perform do you want to be in front of a lot of people. I probably would have said, no, that sounds terrifying. My knees would start shaking. And I think like anything, obviously, once it kind of becomes your job and you get used to it, you're able to compartmentalize it that way. But I think kind of where it's draining socially for me is just kind of having this understanding that I'm essentially responsible for curating the experience of however many people are there. I think. that's kind of an interesting thing about being an entertainer.

Yeah. Yeah. You're like a party planner in addition. Yeah. Yeah. For like, yeah, exactly. So for, you know, obviously before we even go on tour, we're conceptualizing the set and we're thinking, okay, how do we design a stage that's captivating?

How do we design, you know, a set list that's captivating in transitions and talking points and moments of, you know, deliberate fan engagement? And then when you're up there, it's kind of like a sport. And there's a lot of like real time problem solving. Like, okay, the crowd, maybe the crowd was responding to a certain joke or a certain talking point the night before this crowd. Maybe they're not, the sense of humor is different. I don't know. There's a million real time things that you're navigating, which makes it really fun.

But again, there's so much like real time social analysis and adapting. So it's fascinating and also exhausting. Yeah. Yeah. I can only imagine. Yeah. I don't even know where to start imagining what that process would be. It's cool.

It's fun. It's definitely really fun. Yeah. That's awesome. I love that you're like able to still love it because we've definitely met people that are like, don't. That are like, don't. It's not life giving to them. But it definitely feels like it's like, I mean, it's work.

It's hard. But it definitely feels like, you know, it's life giving to you. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. I love performing. I love to sing. even if no one's in the room or people are in the room,

even having to go do a corporate gig where it's really not an audience who cares that you're there, if you just close your eyes and focus on like, oh, I get to sing right now, then I'm like usually in a pretty good mood. That's great. I love that so much. I'm the same, but I can't sing.

Who cares? Do it anyway. Taylor's like, oh, she does. Trust me. Oh, boy, yeah. I'm the corporate gig. That's so funny. You're performing for people that doesn't really care. Yeah, we get it.

We get it. You're not that good. Hey. A broken dream. A girlfriend dream. You, while, which I can't wait to get to your new album, but while writing your new album, you took a break from social media. Is that true?

Yeah. Why did you decide to do that? And how did it feel? Yeah. So the break was kind of multi-pronged. Initially, we were looking at it, kind of from the standpoint that we didn't really know what single we wanted to put out next

and what direction we wanted to go in. And I think, I mean, you guys understand this as much, you know, if not more, having to market a podcast. And you guys know and can relate to how insatiable content culture is and um there there was kind of a time where our digital team like the whole consensus was posting on tic-tok at least once a day is really essential posting on reels um instagram you know three or four times a week and as a certain point you're kind of like we're all just posting to post there's not even there's not even real really a message for the consumer here

there's not really what am i even trying to say and it dilutes your identity a lot and so for us we're like let's take a sit back. We don't even really know what we're saying. We're just posting to post. And then the other prong was that I was going to take a break from work. The idea was that the album was going to be mostly submitted by then. And obviously that didn't happen at all. And the album got pushed back. Okay. And I, so there was no real break, but there was a break from social media, which was nice at least. I know. I've, I've yet to do it, but I feel like I could benefit from a little mini break or something. Have you ever done like the, the, what's it called?

The like timer where like that you can only open the app for like, do you have that on? Yeah. See, that's what I feel like that's a good place for you to start. What does this timer do? You can only like go on Instagram for like an hour a day. And then what? It's going to slap my wrist. And then you can't click it.

Well, that's the thing. There's no real disciplinarian action. like you can just click ignore. Yeah. Is there, can I, like, if we do it, what if I, like, created a code? Like, if you wanted to be like, I don't want the option. Oh, boy. Like, to click ignore and go on.

Like, can you do that? Like, can you be, like, give the, like, type of password in or something? That I'm not sure. That's above my figuring. But it's at least a, it's meant to be a reminder for you. Like, you've been on your first. It definitely makes you more cognizant for sure of how much time you're spending. Yeah.

Like, I'll get the notification, like the five-minute warning. and I will be like how the heck have I already been on my phone this at like this many hours today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get you get lost in it. Yeah.

Yeah. I think a reminder is would be helpful. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You want to jump into her album or did you have any more from there? Let me see. Let me make sure I'm not missing anything. No, let's get into it.

Okay, your new album. they came out a couple months ago Salaria. Am I saying that right? Stellaria. You're like right there. Solaria. I said it a couple times and I was like that I is not there.

Anyways, Solaria. What is that name? So it's Latin and it means Starlike. And I think for one, this is really nerdy, but I studied Latin for a long time like all through middle and high school. Oh, wow.

So unbelievably nerdy. and also like typical of me. But I kept seeing, so I knew that I wanted the content to, and the branding of the album to all exist in, um, like a Jackson Hole type setting in out west. And so when we,

we ended up going out there and when I was kind of on Google Maps exploring, I kept seeing that word. There was like a Stellaria lane and a Solaria Creek. And it just kept popping up. And I was like, I, I, I really love this. Um, and I don't know, just,

it really stuck with me. And then, weirdly enough, it's also like the Latin name for chickweed. Oh, yeah. I saw this. This was really cool. Your metaphor here is awesome. Yeah, well,

so the branding around the whole, I'm also kind of landed in this place of the beauty is everywhere. And I, like, I'm learning how to be present and appreciate things that are right in front of me. And I was like, chickweed is so beautiful. And everyone just thinks it's this weed.

That's invasive. Yeah, not not like it's no one's putting chickweed in their bouquet of flowers you know and I just love that yeah no I think that's really cool that's awesome those like go together how how have you been able to kind of like shift your mindset to like as you're saying be more present like focus on the here and now I think that honestly so much more of it comes from so much more of the distraction and the noise it's truly our devices. Yeah. Honestly, I think that it feeds so much

of the stress and pressure I feel around work. And there's all these different pressures and distractions that I felt like we're really, really taking away from my ability to just focus on making music

and enjoy that. And not even making music, but also just existing. I think being self-employed and like being in a creative job, it's kind of hard to at 8 p.m. say, okay, I'm just going to watch this movie. I'm just going to read this book. I'm just going to hang out with my friends or family. There's always this voice in me that's saying, well, you could be doing more. You could be brainforming. Mark and is this? It's me. He's, yes. Yeah. But yeah, that's literally our everyday struggle.

Is that, yeah, that's, yeah, whether it's in the morning, midday or evening. brain can't shut off from, but, you know, I could be doing this or, you know. I should do this. It could do this. Yeah. I do this now. I want us to do it later. But you end up saying that all day, every day. Yeah. And it never catches up. Yeah. It's very true. Do you feel like it in, do you feel like it's a detriment to your ability to just have fun in the moment? I do think it definitely has been. I do think I've, Yeah. I guess so. Yeah. Just say yes. It's hard. Yeah. It's, I think the pro is, you know, it's made me like a really hard worker.

And, you know, I've been able to do a lot of things and accomplish a lot of like personal goals and whatnot. But yeah, no, I definitely. Yeah. It definitely does, especially when. Yeah. I think, I think what you said, it's hard like when you're like when you're like. self-employed and like when when your work like is your baby because that's like how I feel like like this podcast like my mental health brand the nonprofit my brand whatever like it's all like my and even though I do help with it I like feel in my brain like if I'm not doing stuff then it's not like who else is going to take care of your baby yeah so which is not the case because I have wonderful people that, you know, are helping me. But that's just how, that's just how my brain thinks and works.

But we are, we are trying very hard to. I listen more when he says, babe, put the laptop away. We're going to watch a show. I more willingly give up the laptop. I just need the, I need the reminder still. Give up the laptop. No, I get it. I think, I think it's challenging when, and challenging, I say,

this is a privilege at the same time to really, really love being an entrepreneur and love building things from scratch and and, you know, whether you're building a brand or a nonprofit or you're building a song or you're building a movie, whatever it is. Like I think that something that the three of us probably all have in common is that we love. Like, that's stimulating and fun for us.

Yeah. And so it can be kind of obviously easy to conflate, you know, the, the pleasure and simulation of it with like it. Maybe it's not the right word, but it's, I think it's just easy, it's easy to get lost in it and like do it for fun

and forget that you also need to do other things for fun that aren't work. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. That's a very good. Because I enjoy everything that I do and it's fun. Yeah.

It's not like, it's, yeah. You need the, the, like, quiet time. Do you feel like, you know, like being off of social media and kind of like trying to separate that.

Do you feel like that has like helped your creative process at all? I think so. I mean, I think I think the biggest thing about social media is when you're just seeing what everyone else is accomplishing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And like everyone is in this post your accomplishments mentality. Yeah. And yeah, I think when you're seeing everything. that lens, it's easy to, it's easy to think, okay, well, maybe I should be making music that emulates what's being, like, what's finding success right now. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. What do you feel has been if there is one, like the biggest lesson that you've learned, like, through the creation and after like putting out your album? Maybe the fact that no one really knows what's going to work

and no one really knows how to control the reception and consumption of a product. And you might as well focus on what you can control, which is enjoying making music, making music because you think it's cool, not because you think it's going to be received well commercially. Yeah. Yeah, just learning to let go of what I can't control. As cliché, as that sounds, it's really hard to do. I had, yeah, I had that same struggle with, um, a lot, like, a lot of my career, um, which I think in the long run ended up, you know, making me take a step back because I realized I was doing things for the wrong reason, um, where I, I stopped thinking about what do I want to be doing?

Like, what do I love doing for myself? And it was more so every decision was being what is the right move? Like what's the right next move? What, you know, what are the executives going to think is, you know, a good choice for me? What are the fans going to think, you know, is a good choice for me? And that pressure that I was putting on myself to make the right move rather than, you know, what I would just want to be doing for myself as an artist. really just, yeah, ended up getting to me.

And I think was one of the bigger reasons why I stepped back and just kind of needed a break from it all. What do you think, if you're comfortable sharing, like, what do you think was a moment that you finally felt like you needed to make a change? I never have, because I, yeah, I've thought about this. I can never pinpoint what, like, the last moment was unless you think I'm just, getting one. I think there was a lot of moments that just added up over time and just, you know, affected my life in a way that I just eventually realized I don't want to be, I don't want to be doing this. I don't want to be living this way. I don't want to be prioritizing these things. I want to, you know, take a step back, start over.

And I don't know. People ask, people ask me all the time during that period. Like, are you going to, are you ever going to do anything again? Like, are you going to act again? Are you going to, you know, be in the public eye again? And I was like, I don't know. For a long time, my answer to them was just, I truthfully, if you want me to be honest, I don't know. Now I feel like I can say, yeah, I do. Yeah, I feel ready now. But that that step back was much. needed for me. And the truth, I mean, the real answer at that time was, I have no clue. I feel like it was like a subconscious thing that you did. I think because I, like, when we were dating, we had been dating for like a bit before he like took his step back. But I think because I don't come from the industry at all and I like just live a normal life and Taylor didn't have that, like really ever. And so. they're like when we were together, there was an industry talk.

There wasn't like, it wasn't a topic of conversation really, ever. Yeah, and there never was the conversation where it wasn't like there was a moment where I sat down and I said, babe, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take a step back.

Yeah. It didn't happen like that. I think you subconsciously knew you needed a break and it just, it just like flow. It just, it just happened with me being normal and, you know, us,

like we went to the movies for the first, his first time, like, ever being in a movie theater. like when we started dating. Like he just got to do like normal things. And I think you kind of just got to like chill. Yeah.

For the first time. Yeah. It did happen naturally. Yeah. How old were you when you started acting? Eight. Okay. Yeah.

So yeah, it's been. It's been a hot sec. A lot of years. A lot of years. Yeah. I mean, that was, I lived in Michigan at the time and would just like do auditions and stuff. I mean, I got, I did like small roles.

But then like my first big role. Shark boy was when I was 12. Oh, I remember. She's like, oh, I know. I know. Dream, dream, dream, dream, dream, dream. But yeah, I mean, that, even that is over 20 years ago. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's a long time to be going through, it's a long time to be immersed in that industry and in the public eye, I can only imagine. Yeah. It is, what it taught me is, what the, what the, what the break, you know, taught me was, it's that like, you know, sometimes like a step back, a boundary, a breather can, you know, be really needed, you know, I mean, for yourself and for your, for your mental health, but also like for your career as well. Like, truth is, if I didn't take that break, I, I would have just completely burned out, brashed. I think you were kind of there. I was definitely close, yeah.

But I definitely wouldn't have resurfaced. Yeah. And it's really cool. Like you said, there was a point in time where he was like, I don't know if I'm going to act again. Like I remember like, you know, us talking about, you know, future and stuff and him like being like, I don't, like, I genuinely don't know what I'm going to do. Like what I want to be doing. And it's cool to see like that he. took that time, like, his love, like, for that has, like, definitely, like, come back. And I mean,

obviously mental health-wise, you have worked through a lot as well, but it's really cool to, like, see him excited, like, about, like, you know, going back to work and, like, doing it. Because you love that stuff. You love that creative process. Like, even behind the same stuff. Like, yeah. You, like, genuinely love it. So it's really cool to see, like, how he actually, like, was burnt out. It was like, I don't know if I can ever do this again, took the proper steps, which we didn't even know were the proper steps, but now, like, he's excited. And it's really cool.

I mean, that must have been crazy for you to be along for that ride, too, from that stage of burnout to hopefully, like you're saying, falling back in love with all these things that do let you up. Yeah. That's probably cool for a significant other to witness and be a part of. Yeah, for sure. I always say when I met Taylor, I didn't think, like, he could get any better.

And, like, each year, I'm like, okay, I said this last year, but I really don't think he could get better. And I feel like it keeps the growth. It's been really cool to just be with someone for that amount of time. And like, obviously we've been through a lot of life together, COVID being a lot of it. And that's, you know, dealing with big life things. It's been cool to like watch the growth between the two of us as individuals, like just being with someone for, you know, six years and watching that.

It's cool. Yeah, I don't know. Well, thank you both for this therapy session. ever heard. Like every year, I don't think you get better. That's so cute. I'm going to steal that line. Don't tell my girl.

Every year you just gets better somehow. Hopefully she doesn't watch this episode. The secret safe with us and our lemon drop listeners. Lemon drops, don't tell anyone. Okay. Back to you. My last question is, well, first of all, congrats on the album.

We love it. And if you haven't heard it, you need to go check out Stellaria. right now. We'll link it down below. But you, you have an exciting 2024 coming. You have your, the beauty is everywhere, tour. By the way, love the name. What would you say, what are you most excited about or looking forward to with the tour? Well, I think we're going to get Girl Taylor out on stage at the

podium in LA. Let her live her dream. There we go. Are you, you'll be at the, you'll be here in L.A.? Yeah, it's like March 23rd, I think. Okay, right after your birthday. I'm going to put it in the calendar. Put it in the calendar. Yeah, that's the birthday guest is just bringing that to life. Oh, but I mean, I've been toward it. It's going on like a year and a half.

So I'm feeling really ready to do it again. So I just feel super excited, honestly. That's great. When does it kick off? We go. I actually leave, I think, on February 12th. So I go right after my birthday. Do you have anybody exciting with you?

that's been announced? What we're bringing Yoke-Lore, which I'm really excited about. Okay, super cool. Yeah. Wow, it's going to be great. Well, we'll 100% be catching you.

All right, should we play? Yes. So, just the fun, seven questions. Seven fun. Can be rapid fire. If you want to explain, you can, but it's totally up to you.

Okay. This is the Lemon 7. It's very difficult to say because we've said Lemon 11 100 times. Lemon 7. This is Lemon 7. And I will ask you the first question. What movie or song title best describes your mental health today? What a fascinating question.

Right. I feel like mental health is like fairly stable. Okay. Which is good. Do I Google movies about being stable? Like so not Justin Bieber's song Unstable. Yeah, like the opposite of that. Oh, okay.

There's a movie from 2018 that's called The Land of Steady Habits. The Land of Steady Habits. I have no idea what that movie is. Now we're all going to have to watch this. Applicable because I feel like I've been in my group. Like I've been working out a lot and like journaling and reading a lot and just making music for fun. and yeah, I feel like I've just been in my group. Yeah, that's...

I love that. Yeah, I need to get back in my group because I'm definitely, yeah, I'm a regimented person. Yeah. I need consistency. Habits are good, but when I fall out of them, yeah. Yeah, I can feel, it can feel like really destabilizing. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. Sure. The name of that again? The land of steady habits. The land of steady habits. I closed my tab. Steady habits. Okay.

Land on the steadiness. Put your laptop away. We're watching the land of steady habits. Number two, how open are you with the people in your life when you're struggling? I'm not that much of a sharer. I think I am with my really, really, really close, like, select few. But I'm weirdly not. I feel like making music is kind of my outlet and that I don't feel like I need to talk about it that much.

That's cool. Yeah, I mean, you have your, like, close group of friends that you, you'll talk about that stuff with, but if you're not the biggest share of your music, yeah, says otherwise, because you're pretty vulnerable in your music. That's where I go. Like, that's my place, you know? Yeah, I love that. Well, that's, that's why it's so good.

All right. Number three. If you could only follow three social media accounts, what would they be? Oh, that's crazy. Okay. I would follow my girlfriend. Fair enough. Good answer.

I would follow... Okay, so I really... I collect vintage watches. Wow. Yeah. I really love watches a lot. So I would probably follow this really amazing blog called Hairspring, because I love reading. They just have the most thoughtful posts about different cool, like,

Are they on Instagram? Yeah. What is it called? Hairspring. Are you a watch guy? I used to be and I still, oh, here we go. Got it. Followed by you.

I have a little collection, but I haven't worn watches in a while. Like I used to love them and wear them a lot. And then now I kind of, they just exist in like, yeah. But I could see me getting back into them again. This could get you back there. This looks dangerous. It's a dangerous hole. Okay.

Okay. And then third account I would follow would be maybe like Molita Dirtbag. Okay. It's kind of, do you know it? It's just like that meme account about New York and like the hype culture here. And I just think it's really, really funny. And I feel like I, yeah, if I watch as my girlfriend and some humor. Yeah.

I like that's a good combo. That's all a girl needs. Right? Yeah, that feels good. I love that. I feel like this question shows people's personalities. For sure. Really well.

I know. I think we're going to like this question. Yeah, that was great. I'm intrigued to see what other people say to that. I know. I have to start thinking about. I know. I have to see what.

What the heck I would say? Okay. I'll report back. Report back. Yes. Number four. What is your favorite form of self-care? My favorite form of self-care is,

Okay, this is like extremely, I'm going to sound like I'm living in an alternate universe and I have no grasp on reality, but taking like vacations. And I don't even mean going somewhere warm or anything. But I think just like honestly, usually at least the weekend a month, if not too, we'll carve out to go away in some capacity. Yeah, even if it's just a little weekend getaway. Yeah, even if just a Friday, Saturday night and then get back home. But like, I need to physically, I wonder how you guys feel about this because in New York, like, obviously, even large apartments are still smaller than most houses. And so like we have my studio, another bedroom. And then our kitchen living room is like open floor plan.

And yeah, it's hard to kind of like find a space that's like. truly disconnected. Yeah. Yeah. And so for us, we're just like, right, it's just getting out of the city's the only way I can actually sit down and, like,

read and take a long shower and not worry about work. Yeah. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. We both are the same. We love, yeah, we mean, we love all forms of.

We can getaways. Yeah. We were like, we were, I don't know if you guys have ever been to wildflower farm in upstate New York. Oh. No. It's like,

of the Obergh resorts, but... Oh, geez. We were just there, and we were, like, walking there super dog-friendly, and it was amazing. And I was saying to my girlfriend, I was like, hmm, I feel like the time I'm most happy in my whole life is when we go away. Yeah. And she's like, yeah, that's literally every human ever. I was like, oh, yeah, makes sense.

I'm not the only person that thinks that. No, it's so true. It's so true. But it makes you like, it makes you appreciate the little things. Like you said, like, just take a long shower and just like enjoy it. I don't do that when I'm home. Like something as simple as showering and whatnot. Like it's a job that you try and just get done quick so you can get on with your day. And we're like on a weekend get away. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I like the first thing I do when we walk in the room is I inspect the shower. I'm like, all right, what kind of shower head we got here? Is it a big circular one from above? I hope so. I hope so. I like, I like, all right. What kind of shower head we got here? Is it a big circular one from above? I hope. I hope. I hope. I hope so. I hope. I So, yeah, because I want to stand in there for like 15, 20 minutes. So, sure. I know. Like, is there a bathtub?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got a tub we can soak in, a jacuzzi. Like, what's, so true. What's the haps? What's the haps with the shower? Okay. You are in my next, my friend.

Oh, I am next. Number five. What would you say is the most misunderstood thing about you? Damn. You guys are coming in a hot. Oh, my gosh. Aren't these supposed to be easy? I think that sometimes in, like, the music industry, there's this pressure to, like, be cool.

You know, like, cutting edge of, like, whatever's cool and hip and artsy and, you know, like, dress a certain way and act a certain way. Yeah. And, like, I obviously don't think I'm cool, but, like, you know, it's obviously inevitable. you're going to see, like, fans and stuff who think you're so cool. Yeah. So then do you feel like you have to live up to that? Yeah. Like, I think that, like, anyone who knows me really, really well knows that I'm, like,

got to be one of the top five most uncool and, like, awkward human beings that, like, nerdy people ever. Right. And, like, I, like, I kind of wish that was, like, more marketable. Right. Like I wish that I wish it was like cool to be as awkward and like dorky and weird as I think I actually am. You know? So yeah, I wish that was like something that I could share or feel comfortable sharing more of.

Something tells me you could get away with it. I think you could do it. If anybody, it's you. But then am I going to be known as like being un-cooled? Like I don't know. It's so tricky. Oh, man. I personally think you are very cool and also nerdy and dorky and fun.

So I think you embrace both sides. And I think that is what makes you you. Thank you. No, that really means a lot. Number six, who has had the most positive impact on your mental health? I love how, like, you can tell what? I think when people have had to do a lot of interviews in their life, when you just regurgitate the question back as a way of like finding.

time to think of your answer a little more. I feel yes. Maybe my dad, I think that he he's been pretty open about his mental health struggle and kind of watching him persevere every day and

find joy in the little things. And that's been a really good model for me. And I feel like he's a really safe place to talk about stuff with. Yeah, he's just the best. That's really cool. It's special to have.

I love that. Yeah. All right. Last but not least. Number seven. If you could go back to one moment in your life, what moment would that be? And what would you say to yourself? I think that.

So I definitely wouldn't change anything. Yeah. So I think I would go back to relive something that was really special. And I think I would go back. I would probably go back to Lalapalooza of 2022. because that was my favorite show I've ever done. Oh, wow. And I would say,

you're probably going to black out when you do this, and it's going to go by really quickly. It was just the best 60 minutes of my professional life. I can literally see that you're there in your head right now. I know. I know. Yeah, soak it up. Yeah, it went by so fast. And even if I could do it again,

I know it'd still retain such a small amount of it. Yeah. but to even get to be there again. I mean, I know in my life I'll get to experience something like that again. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I'm like smiling like such a loser. No, I love that.

It looks so special. You love what you do and that is like so infectious. I always tell Taylor like I love being around people that like genuinely just like love what they do. Whatever it is. Yeah. No matter what it. It could literally be like an accounting job.

And if someone loves that, I'm like I could listen to you talk about like your job all day because you just it's just like give off this energy and that's like exactly like what you give off and it's that's really like refreshing it and it fuels other people too yeah and inspires like me to like you know not want to love my job more but it just like makes me excited like doing what I love doing to do it more yeah for sure yeah that's awesome yeah I know what you mean like I I literally could listen to I I would say like my brother for example like he he loves physics okay I don't understand a damn thing about physics, but my brother loves physics so much.

And listening to him talk about physics, I'm like, I have no idea what you're saying, but it's so cute watching you talk about it. Oh, my gosh. I love that. Yeah, it's just great. Yeah. Exactly that.

Well, thank you, Chelsea, so much for your time. Congrats again on the album. Go check it out, Stolaria. It is available now. And we'll leave links and stuff to the album. them and the upcoming tour. Yes. Woo.

Awesome. Yeah. Thank you guys. This was seriously a dream come true again to hang for a little bit and hopefully the first of many conversations. Chelsea, I want to grow up and be like you someday. Yes. Nerd.

Ha ha. Ha ha. Ha ha. Oh my gosh. You are so cool. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. That was an amazing conversation.

And I just, I can't believe we're able. to do this and talk to people like you. Yeah. Pretty, pretty freaking cool. We get to call this our job. I was just about to say we have a really fun job. Yeah. As always, be sure to follow us on Instagram at the squeeze. Tech Talk at the Squeeze podcast.

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