The Squeeze - Dylan Efron: Becoming Miss Guided

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

In this week’s episode, Dylan Efron joins the Lautners to talk about his experience on the hit TV show The Traitors and how he's been navigating his mental health since the show's success! To begin, Dylan opens up about the challenges of his packed schedule, especially with less time for fitness and the outdoors—two things that have always kept him grounded. Dylan shares how he fell in love with adventure, the role fitness plays in his well-being, what people can expect from his upcoming travel videos on YouTube, and how he balances screen time while constantly on the go. Then, he takes us behind the scenes of The Traitors, revealing his strategy, favorite moments, who he was most excited to meet, and what downtime really looked like in the castle. Finally, could more reality TV be in his future…maybe Dancing with the Stars?Be sure to follow Dylan https://instagram.com/dylanefron/To email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to [e-mail] sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on Instagram:The Squeeze:  https://instagram.com/thesqueeze/Tay Lautner: https://instagram.com/taylautner/Taylor Lautner: https://instagram.com/taylorlautner/& TikTok:  https://tiktok.com/@thesqueezepodcastTo learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow  https://instagram.com/lemonsbytay/ and visit lemonsbytay.comEpisode Sponsors:Right now, Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase with promo code SQUEEZE.From gathering inspo and scoring expert advice to finding your wedding venue and figuring out your budget, The Knot connects you to all the people, places and tools you need. Visit theknot.com/audio to start planning your wedding today.Go to Cymbiotika.com/SQUEEZE for 20% off your order + free shipping today  No more shady business. Ritual’s Essential for Women 18+ is a multivitamin you can actually trust. Get 25% off your first month for a limited time at ritual.com/THESQUEEZEDogs deserve the best, and that means fresh, healthy food. Head to Ollie.com/SQUEEZE, tell them all about your dog, and use code SQUEEZE to get 60% off your Welcome Kit when you subscribe today!Hero Bread is offering 10% off your order. Go to Hero.co and use code SQUEEZE at checkout  Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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After one of the episodes, probably. the shaking one. Don't you guys. I said it. I said it. I said it. I was going to fight. I texted you.

I was like, Danielle's making me bash my head through a window right now. And you were like, she's not growing on you? I was like, no.

What? She's growing less. And that told me that you liked her. I was like, okay, I'll leave that one alone. Just like, oh my God,

I'm going to lose this game because I'm married Tom Sandwall. And I'm like, how did I get myself into this situation? When life gives you lemons, what do you do with them? Over here at The Squeeze, we talk about it.

Dylan, welcome to the Squeeze. Thank you. I'm looking forward to this. We are looking forward to it too. I know we've been talking about doing this for a while, but now it felt like the perfect time. I agree. And it's so fun getting to have a friend on.

I feel like we don't get to do it off where it's like with someone that we actually like know. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. And also we have a very special guest. We have a very special guest. The most handsome of them all. My little service star. Booie.

We start off each episode playing a game called Citrus Got Real. In this jar, there's random ice breaking questions. So if you could just pull one of those. Oh, I'm going deep in there. Let's do. For everyone that was wondering, they're not real lemons. I know. I've actually thought about it.

We have a tree with like a gazillion of lemons on there. So I need it. Yeah. So raise a production value. I know. Okay. If you could only use one skincare product for the rest of your life, what would it be? Dylan's like dirt.

Obviously not soap since I don't shower. It would have to be face. Oh, skin care. So it's between chapstick and face moisturizer. Okay. Like right now I'm going through this phase. Like I love face moisturizer. Right when I wake, like after the chef.

hour right before bed. Yeah. I've been like experimenting with a bunch of new ones. So right now I'm using Claren's, which I really like. Okay. But yeah, I think face moisturizer because I just hate when my face feels dry. So that's the same with chapstick. It's like, I think it helps with your anti-aging.

That's what I'm going to tell myself. Yeah, I love this for you. I would be the same on both of those. I always have my chapstick in my pocket. And yeah, I am always dry. so I use face moisturizer like crazy. Yeah, I feel like I need to think of a better answer

for that one besides that. Oh, mine's going to be those the sheet masks that you when you leave on for a couple hours. They'd like go clear. Whoa, I just did that for the first time. I was literally going to say, if you haven't tried this, I need to give you one.

It's so cold feeling. It was great. Yeah, I didn't know what was going on my face. I remember Courtney was there and I looked at her and being like what like trying to do. tell her like, what do I look like right now? And she took a video. I was just like, oh my God, I look like Hannibal. We do love those. Yeah. I mean, you're a sucker for the under eye ones.

Yeah. Every morning, Taylor puts the little under eye. They're great too. You keep them in the fridge. They put them on. I haven't got like, for me, it's like that treat because I don't have them personally. So when I do something like a press shoot or something, they give it to me, it's like, oh my God. Like I'm getting so pampered right now. Have you used like the rollers, like an ice roller? You like keeping the fron. ridge, it's cold, and you just like roll it on your under eyes. Honestly, the whole face. I haven't, but I'm down to try. It's wonderful. I need a video of like, Courtney, doing an intense, like, skincare routine or, like, makeup and you to narrate it. Yeah. How they do those

videos or it's like the boyfriend will narrate? Yeah. I feel like I would enjoy that. But you make me think of you two just talking about skincare. That's it. Skin care is underrated. I enjoy it. It makes a difference. Oh, wait, one quick interjection. So at this last photo shoot, I just did, they did an eye curler or eyelash curler. Oh, shoot. Blew my mind. Wow. So after the first one, I was like, what is he doing?

He closes my eye and then he starts like doing something. And he's like, does that hurt? I'm like, no, is it supposed to? I open my eyes and you could see the difference. Like one of my eyes, my eyelashes were huge. Yeah. Like as soon as this is done, go try it. Because it's hilarious.

Have you ever had your eyelashes curve? I don't know. I know what he's talking about, but I don't know if I've ever had it done myself. It looks like a little medieval torture device. Yeah. Yes. It's like the clamp. It goes like that.

It really does. It works. It works well. It's crazy. And you didn't ask for this. No, they just did it. And I had no idea what was going on. But the difference was shocking.

Like, I'll show you a photo. It's actually shocking. I just bought to one up you. I just bought a heated eyelash collar. What? It's like this little thing and it just looks like. like this. It doesn't look as medieval, obviously, because it is electronic and heats up. But it looks like this and you hold it, and you like hold it on your lashes and it stays. Wow.

It's like a little mini hair curling. Yeah, it's like a little perm for your lash. We've got to get you one of those now. Yeah. I'm so excited for you try it. I need the photo. Thank you for sharing. I'm really glad we got that in there. You've been a busy man. Yeah. Yeah, this week was fun. Have you, have you ever done like, I'm sure. sure you did some press for down to earth, but like, have you ever done like a full-on press tour like you've been doing? No. You've been everywhere. This was my first time on live TV on watch what happens live. Okay. I didn't know it was live. So like there's, there's, so did you not know the title of the show? Exactly. That's where I haven't had cable a long time.

So I watch it on Peacock before. But there was like those natural commercial breaks. I thought those were all just like time for us to catch our breath and stuff like that and like chill out. When we walked out, I was almost positive he was going to tell us to redo it. Like, we walked out, and then there was like a weird pause commercial break. And then I thought he was going to say, oh, we need to redo that. So like, I really had no idea that was live, probably for the best. And then we did Fallon, we did Drew, we did the Kelly Clarkson show. That was my first time doing anything like that.

Did you have a favorite? Drew was really nice. Like, she, her emotional intelligence. is probably the highest of any person I've ever met. Like she can just like look into your soul. Yeah. So I really enjoyed being up there with her. Because somehow it just, she's not phased by all that's going around.

Like the people in the audience, the cameras, she is just focused on you. Yeah. It's special. Did she sit in your lap? No. Everyone told me she was going to. I was ready for it. I would have been mad about it.

So good. Did you have a good time? Fallon's always my favorite. Yeah. So we've gone to the golf event. I remember playing Blackjack with you. Yeah. So I thought he was going to play the clip of me almost killing his videographer.

Yes. So, well, maybe we'll save that if I ever go back. But I thought he was going to play that and he didn't. Fowland's energy is unmatched. Like, he is in an 11 at all times. So it makes it easy. So it's his audience. His audience is always so good.

Oh my gosh. Last time you did it, I was like shocked at how like interactive. Because the first time you did it, well, obviously when we were dating, the first time you did it, I was back in the room. And then last time you did it, I went out in the audience. And it was so cool to be a part of everyone, like, so engaged and, like, interactive and cheering and laughing and all the things. Yeah, I always think, like, nobody's going to like me.

Yeah. Or like the whole. They didn't come from me. Yeah. Or like the audience is disappointed. They got, like, stuck with me as the guest. Yeah. So every time I go there, I like leave feeling really good.

We had the headliner at our show. It was like Gal Godot. There's some cool people, but the headliner was obviously one of the guys from BTS. And it was crazy. Like, you just mentioned his name. And a hundred crowd audience sounded like a thousand. It was like, BTS is big. Jeez.

You had a good episode then. Yeah, it was a big one. Gal, too? Yeah, Gal Gadot. Wow. It was really cool. That's awesome. Oh, gosh.

I've just loved watching, like, the four of you together, like, just the interacting of everyone throughout this press, I feel like has been so fun. It is because Gabby's so fun to work off. She's like, yeah, she's, and like I'm, we're kind of antagonist, friend of me, is whatever it is. So she's super fun for me to do it. And then Dolores and I were just comforting to me the same way it wasn't the show. Like, yeah. There's no reason for me to get nervous when we're walking out stage when I'm with like my friends. Yeah. So I really enjoyed that. Love that. How, how has your like mental health been during all this? because I'm assuming you haven't been able to work out and be in the outdoors as much barefoot in the universe as much as you normally are. I'm giving myself some grace with that. Like, I know I haven't

been able to work out and I know I haven't seen the sun. Those are really what drives me and keeps me healthy. So I'm just giving myself grace that I know this isn't permanent. Like this is a member, like this last week is going to be a week I look back the rest of my life on. So I'm just like, that's enough to keep me going. That's good. For sure. Do you feel like, are you normally, like, hard on yourself about getting out and doing things?

Yeah, my inner voice can be kind of nasty. I think a lot of people go through that. But my inner voice is definitely, can get frustrated when I don't work out, when I don't, when I'm lazy and stuff like that. Yeah. When did this whole, like, fitness, outdoor lifestyle become a thing for you? Has it always or was it more, like, exploring, like, mental health and a mental health outlet?

Yeah. So growing up, I didn't know it was a thing. But that was like what me and my friends did. Like when we hung out, we were on a road trip. We were finding a river to jump in, rock climbing. Like that was just what I did for fun. So when you're in that moment, you don't realize that's what makes you happy. Yeah.

That was just what we did. Then when I got my first job at Warner Brothers, I worked a 9 to 5 at the gym. So I was sorry, not. I was like, Warner Brothers at the gym. I was trying to follow. You're such a supportive friend. I mean, they do probably have a gym on property. My brain burped for some of handing out towels.

I was thinking it was a 9 to 5, but I went to the gym before with my boss. So it was really like an 8 to 6. But no, I was a brain burp. So, yeah, I was spending a lot of times indoors. And I just had this like crazy desire to balance that out. Because I could just see the daylight just, I'd be. there when I was dark. I'd get to work when it was dark. And then I'm leaving when it's dark. And I'm watching the sun just do its thing outside. And it was killing me. So that's when I got into

fitness. I balanced out like my nine to five office life with just killing myself with workouts. So I would run to work 10 miles or bike home. And I would work out before with my boss. I would just before 8 o'clock or 8 o'clock to 9 o'clock, I would do a hard workout. And then as soon as I was off a hard workout. Jeez. Sometimes swimming at lunch. Like, I would just, as soon as I was off, I would just go do some kind of physical activity.

You would run 10 miles to work. Yeah. That's crazy. And yeah, I have a bad story about that one. I had Thai food the night before. Oh, no. And a 10 mile run to work. A lot of burfs.

Oh, my gosh. That's, would you need to shower? There's a shower of Warren, brothers. Okay. Great. There's also a gym. Sometimes I wasn't. That he would work at it.

Yeah. From five to five. Another thing that you've talked about the importance of is like disengaging from your phone, which I know this about you. But when was there something that happened or when did you start realizing that you wanted to like prioritize and actively think about, you know, leaving your phone at home while you go do something so you can be fully present? I'm not sure what made me come to that realization. I think it was just from like, yeah, like maybe a little bit of stress with deliverables and needing to post sometimes. And my goal is always that I want social media to be fun. I know it is a job.

And like that is how my livelihood, but I want it to be fun. It's supposed to be fun. So when I feel it turning into work and I feel like I'm on call 24-7, like when I miss a call and I'm like, oh, God, I missed it. So stressful. So as soon as I start to feel more stress than fun, I'm like, okay, let's get back to the real world. And I think that's been the balance is like, for me, the real world is when I don't have my phone. I'm not on call. I'm fully present. And I just leaving my phone behind is the easiest way for me to do it. Because otherwise I'm going to be listening to a podcast. I'm going to be an audio like I'm big into audiobook. So like I'll just have an audio book on 24-7. And then every time I get a text message, I hear it. So I think just forcing myself to be present by removing myself from the phone is easy. It's not like I'm a saint though.

I like to preach it and it's hard for me to do. So I really try to just have those key moments. Like when I walk buoy in the morning, that's like a perfect time to just leave the phone. I don't need music. Like it's a mile walk. Like let's just do this, be present, wake up. Yeah. She's been encouraging me to maybe like silence my notice.

my notifications maybe for like a chunk of the day because I get very stressed, like constantly feeling like I need to check it or if like somebody's calling and I don't feel like talking at that moment, then I'm going to be stressed until I return their call, like whatever it is. Or even like, I feel like the other day you gave me your phone to like fix something in your settings. I don't know what it was. And I was getting so stressed out by the amount of notifications that were popping up on his phone. I literally put it on you not disturb because I was like, how are you, how do you function? Yeah, she's like, your phone. vibrates way too much. I was like, I know. That's what I'm saying. That's why I'm so stressed.

Are you an unread message guy or do you read it? Like, do you have zero unread messages or a lot of, like, what? What would you say? What? Wait, pull out of your phones. You have so many. Oh, mine's not good right now either. 51. Oh, no, that's pretty good. That's not too bad. Yeah, so I thought mine was higher. I just checked. It was like 287. Wow. And that's just like. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. It's hard to get, it's hard. Like, it's not like I'm ignoring people either. It's just like, I know. But the problem is like if I don't like I'll just scroll here. Like there's two random ones here. Uh-oh. One of those is your Nana. That's not good. But like, like if I, if I miss them there. Yep. They're gone. Just say goodbye. I'm never going to see that again. 100%. And then I'm just like, so that's, that's why I do get stressed when somebody texts or something of just like responding right away. So I don't. ghost them and blow them all. And that's why I always like I love following up with people. It's like if you shoot someone to text, don't get offended if they don't write you back. Like follow up. Like it's not like where people are trying to ignore you. It's just we're not always, we shouldn't always have our phone on us. Yeah. We miss it sometimes. Yeah. Especially like I feel like the

Do Not Disturb tool is like so important. I'm pretty sure mine is always on that. Probably. Yeah. I think I don't hear any messages. It wouldn't surprise me. There's a few friends of mine that every time I go to text them, they're 100% always on that. I think that's me. Yeah. I feel like our like, I don't know if I could ever do like leave. Well, I did when we were in Mexico.

I did leave my phone for dinner. I didn't have it for a few hours, which was really nice. But I feel like we both get worried if like one person's out. Like normally like if Taylor goes to a meeting or like is in the city for the day, I'll like just leave my phone on one part of the house and like clean everything. But then sometimes he'll get nervous. Like if I'm not responding for like 30 minutes, he's like, hey, are you okay? Or vice versa.

So that, like, when I know I'm going to do that, I'm like, hey, I'm leaving my phone. Everything's five. Like, call if you need me or something. Just imagine, though, it was like 20 years ago that we had pagers. And like, if you were at work, you couldn't get a hold of them unless you called the landline. And when you were traveling abroad, you was like, all right, I'll see you in two weeks. Yeah. It's a lot of change. And now we're available 24-7. It is a lot of change in a short amount of time. Yeah. Working hard is worth it if you're seeing results. And when it comes to working out, the same thing is true. You want to maximize the benefit in the time that you have. And that's exactly what Tonal is built for.

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it was like in and out like just knowing you guys you guys will have the best time in the world like go to go to Tokyo ASAP it's such a especially from California it's such an easy flight it's a red eye like you get good sleep on the way there there's no period once you land. And it's the, it's like, it's just like one big side quest, if that makes sense. Like you can have a super built out itinerary and make sure you do everything, but you can also just have so much fun walking around and like, like, you'll just be walking down a street and see like a cat cafe and be like, okay, what's this? Or a maid cafe. There's, there's just like every type of weird invention you could ever have is in Tokyo. And the food's

incredible. Yeah. Like the sights and sounds. It's just like it is such a unique place. And it's a great, like you guys will have so much fun when you go. Yeah. I bet we would. Yeah.

I've rarely traveled to a place where it's like 10 o'clock at night. And I'm like, I don't want to be in my hotel room. So I'm just going to go walk around. Wow. And I'll literally just go walk around and just like take it all in. Jeez. It's so, it's such a special place. When I was there too, I didn't eat sushi yet.

So I like literally We were at my gosh This is one of like the worst stories It was for like the premiere of one of the Twilight films And afterwards the The like production company or distributor over there Takes you out for dinner And they sat me next to like the president or the CEO

At its dinner and they're just serving Sushi and fish And all this like the like where they bring out the actual fish with the eyeballs and stuff. And somebody told me before, they were like, just, you know, it's very disrespectful here if you don't, like, eat their food. So I'm sitting next to the CEO, and they're handing me fish eyeballs, and I'm just, like, stomaking them.

Because I'm like, I don't want to offend this guy. So it was, yeah, my experience with food there was not great. You like fish now? Yes. Oh, gosh. This is, like, book it ASAP. Yeah. I'll tell you, it's affordable.

The food, like, you can go to one of the. those sushi boat dinners and you'll have more sushi than you could ever want. Your stomach will be hurting. And it's the price of like two sushi rolls in LA. Oh, geez. And, but the sushi's not even the best stuff. There's like Katsu fried beef and like all, it's just amazing stuff. Yeah. Okay, now where's your favorite place that we wouldn't go? Because I feel like you've done a lot of things that we would not do. Guyana for sure. When you said, we would go, I'm like, no, that's not what I want to know. Yeah, Guyana is the one. When I first went there, I think they said they get a thousand tourists a year.

So that's not a lot. Not a lot. Not a lot. Why do you like it? Because, so you land in Georgetown, which is just a crazy bustling city. I think it was like 70 to 80% of the population lives in Georgetown. Once you leave Georgetown, it's just untouched wilderness. This beautiful rainforests and waterfalls that are like.

like wonders of the world. So it is truly, and there's a bunch of indigenous villages, but they all speak English. So it's just one of those places where it feels like you're kind of the first to go experience some of these places. Right. And that's where I just released that documentary on YouTube. But I love, love, love, love. Yeah, I was going to ask, do you have some more stuff coming out on YouTube or what should our lemon drops? Yeah. Your videos are actually insane. That's the one I'm most proud of with the documentary that we just did in Guyana. That one feels kind of like the sum of all the work that I've been doing so far. Like what I learned at Warner Brothers, what I learned running Zach's YouTube channel, what I learned on my first YouTube channels.

And this one's like, it came together. And this is what I always envisioned. It's so like beautifully shot. Thank you. It's actually crazy. This is a good job. Okay. Are we good?

Can we dive into traders now? Because I got a list a question. here. And I believe it because you text me after every episode and I loved it. So I was going to start with that. That it's funny and I feel like our viewers and listeners just need to know. Tay and I had never seen traitors, but when we found out, you were going to be on this season. We were like, well, we got to watch. So we started watching your season. But it was only, you know, it's only being released in real time. And I think I texted you. I was like, this is great. I was like, are there any other ones I should watch?

And you gave us some recommendations. And since then, we've watched essentially every trailer season. We've watched, like, UK, Australia. I love it. We went back to the U.S. ones. So we're like diehards now. Well, now you guys are prepped to be on the show. That's all the prep I did and I won.

So I think you guys are in, it's all the prep I did and I won. Yeah, no, it's become an obsession. I mean, you know how much like we love games. So, like, Mafia is one of our favorite games. And then once we, like, realized what was going on. And, like, you know, he loves to make things so, like, theatrical. And, like, when he's the game master, he lights all the candles and has the seri, like, doll music and all this time. Have you played Mafia with us?

No, I haven't. I've gone down, though. Oh, my gosh. I know. I've heard of your game nights. No, he's literally out. Like, put on an accent. I love it.

I turn. I can envision Jason, too. Like, Jason gets so into it, too. Yeah. Yeah, no, I turn all the lights off. I play, like, scary music throughout the house. I like candles. I create an environment for sure.

Yeah, you do. And so, like, getting to, like, watch that, like, as a show. And, like, the way they do it is just so good. Like, it's so well produced. Yeah. We were locked. And I'm sure when you played mafia, like, you've been chosen as mafia, and you've felt your heartbeat out of your chest.

Yeah. It's why I can never play. Yes. So, like, I hate when I'm mafia. Like, I won at mafia when I've been chosen as a mafia player. Yeah. Which is essentially a traitor. Yeah.

But it's so scary. I hate it. Yeah, my heart's beating. I'm like playing poker. Yeah. So I was happy to be a faithful. Okay. So Dylan said it, but yes, I would text him after every episode.

And I am happy to say that he did abide by his NDA. He never told me anything that he shouldn't have. Slightly annoying. but it's okay, I'll forgive them. But I'm curious, let's just go back to the beginning. Did you watch the show before? Were you a fan of it before? Yes.

Oh, yeah, sorry. Okay. Yeah, so I watched season two of US, and then I had actually heard that Dina Katz that NBC had reached out. So I was aware of the show, but I was a little like, I don't know how much strategy there is

because that was the first season I ever watched. besides pilot Pete doing a fun move, I was like, I didn't really see much strategy. Yeah. So I was like, all right, well, let me do my research. Like I always do. I love games. So I watched the UK season two and was hooked. Yeah.

And I saw a whole other side of the game by like a trader winning. Right. And then I started watching Australia. So I had probably watched more traders than anyone on our cast. But of course, I didn't tell anyone that. Yeah. Right. Right.

He's a smart man. Yeah. Okay. So you did your research and then you decided, yes, I'll do it. Yeah, it was a quick call. I was like, I think I started doing it really enjoy it even more than I had when I watched season two. And then it was a quick call to Pilot Pete. And I was just like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this show. What do you think? And he was just like, Dylan, go for it. It was the funnest thing I've ever done. And that was pretty much our call. I was just like, all right. If he says it, I'm down. Did you know them? Mutual friends. Okay. So, yeah, it was pretty quick to get a hold of them.

Okay. What would you, so you wanted to be a faithful. You didn't want to be a traitor. I did, but it was, it's scary. Like, again, it's mafia on steroids. Yeah. So when you see the production, when you see everything there, you don't want to be the guy that spoils it. And when you're playing mafia, it's like, I don't want to cheat.

It's supposed to be random. Like, it is a 1 and 23 chance that you're going to be a traitor. And that's how I envisioned it being. So, like, of course, I wanted to be a faithful, but I didn't want to screw the game up by saying I want to be a faithful. So like, when Alan's asking me, I'm like, yeah, I'll do both. I'm like trying to be good in that way, rather than be like, no, I'm only going to be a faithful. And I think a few people on the show did that.

Like, I think Tom did that. He said he does not want to be a traitor. Yeah. You won't do it. Yeah. So I really wanted to keep the integrity of the game and just say, yeah, I'll do both sides. Right. Even though secretly, I wanted to be a faithful.

Funny. So if you don't want to be a traitor, if you show up to that meeting with Alan and you literally say to him, please, please make me a faithful, they're not going to make you a traitor. I think so. I think that's the case because look, they don't want a bad show at the end of the day. And we kind of saw what happened. Was it season two with Dan or season one? So there was a traitor chosen that I think from Big Brother Dan Gisling. I think it might have been season one. Season one. That's the only one we haven't seen yet. And he's friends with Derek on our season. They played Big Brother together. Got it.

I don't think he wanted to be a traitor, and the guilt of it really ate him up. So it wasn't like he was a bad traitor or anything, but you could tell he was really battling with himself the whole time, being like, this is much harder than I thought. And it made for kind of a sad story, because, like, he's playing the villain, but you could so tell he didn't want to be a villain. Oh, geez. So I think, yeah, we'll see. Look, my stance on it, though, is like, this should be fair.

Like, I love a random. Yeah. I want it to be random. Right. But it's also a show at the end of the day. Yeah. After you found out you are a faithful, what was your, did you have a strategy going into it? I did, and I didn't follow it.

Okay. So Samisgari played the game that I envisioned I would play. Okay. because we both came into that game at the same level. Like no one really knew who we were, which is an advantage. Yeah. So he stayed quiet and was not in the show that much until he got relevant when he started finding traitors. Yeah.

That's what I thought I would do. I'm like, I'm going to listen. I'm going to be friends with everybody. I'll probably be off the track and barely in this edit. But like it's going to set me up for success. That is not what you did. That is not what I did. And I blame Wells for that because it's,

It was the first roundtable and Wells, like, already, like, I'm feeling a kinship with Wells. I don't know if he's a traitor or not, but I wanted to work with him. And then everyone started ganging up on him at the roundtable. I kind of tipped him off right before, too, because I had heard his name a bit. And I'm like, hey, I hear your name. He's like, oh, my God. So he had, like, five minutes to prepare.

But it was so sad because halfway through his argument, I see, like, a little, some real emotions, some tears welling up in his eyes. as he's fighting this table, all accusing him of something he's not. And I'm just like, don't say anything, Dylan, don't say anything. Don't say anything. Finally, I'm like, Robin? And I'm just like, why did I do that? But it's a very real emotion to want to stand up for the people that you've grown attached to.

Right. So yeah, I was very vocal and was not expecting that. That's so funny. I was going to ask, do you feel like how much, clearly there is. is real emotion and was there more emotion than you thought was going to be in the show? Like, did you think it was going to be more so just everyone knows they're playing a game? Yeah. And look, I've watched shows like this and Survivor. I see how emotional people get. And when you watch behind a screen, you're like, how are they crying? It's episode one.

Yeah. But in real life, like, episode one took a while to film and we've already grown attached quickly. Yeah. So it feels just like that's the beauty of the game. And I honestly give it to the production staff. I think Studio Lambert, like this, it feels real. It feels very real, all of it. And I had no sense of like what my character was going to be, what my storyline would be. Like, I had no idea the whole time. Yeah. I had no idea when we won.

If they were pissed, if they were happy, I had no idea. It was just living my own reality. Seems like they have a well-oiled machine. Oh, yeah. But they definitely know what they're doing. Speaking of like emotions and moments, you can bring it up something that you, you had texted Taylor was the moment with the Bob the Drag Queen moment. Oh, yeah. So you told me after the fact that that moment was even crazier in the room than it came across on TV.

And on TV it was nuts. Yeah. It was how was it? What was that like? Yeah. So again, like let me step all the way back. I love these questions. So, like, me and Boston

Rock, like, I've been saying Bob the drag queen to everybody. Now all of a sudden, Boston Rob's like, dude, I think you're right. First person to, like, listen to me. Okay. Because what people don't see is Bob the Drag Queen was crushing it. He was carrying the show on his back, one. Yeah.

But he also had made such tight alliances with so many people. People loved him. People loved him. When I would say his name to people that weren't traitors, like Gabby, and that was like my original. original riff with Gabby, people would protect him like nothing. They'd be like, there's no way, Dylan, like, chill out. Like, it's not him. So like Gabby, Nicky, like, people loved him and never would have thought he was a traitor. So I was getting shut down a lot. And then here comes Boston Rob being like,

I hear you. I'm like, oh, hell yeah. Like someone's, and like, he has a voice. I was like, I just tried and I don't have a voice. So I was stoked. And so we come up with this plan, which you see on TV, like, all right, we're going to go after them tonight. We had, we're like, this is, what people also don't see is we don't know how much time of reality we're going to get, like how much time to strategize before the roundtable. Yeah. So we make this plan, like, let's go work other sides of the rooms and try to get people on our side.

I may be like three minutes into a conversation where I don't even think I've been able to talk about it. And then I walk, they call me in for a confessional. And then Boston Rob gets called in for a confessional. confessional and we had no time to strategize. Once we're out of confessional, reality was over. So we're in this situation where it's like, we have to do this at the roundtable. I don't know what he's thinking. I was like, did he convince anyone? I sure didn't. Right. So we're sitting there and you literally didn't get to talk before you went into the round table. No, that conversation you saw

where we're like, all right, let's do this. That was it. So we're at this table. You can see us just looking at each other like who's going to go first. Right. I was like, I I definitely don't want to go first. I already felt what that's like. So, like, it's been 15 minutes of the round table. He hasn't said anything. So I'm just like, look, it's not going to happen. And then he spoke.

And his first line just immediately, like, I brought my popcorn out. It was just like, oh. Yeah. It was two great going at it. It was really cool to watch. Yeah. Oh, man. It's so good.

Yeah, that's one of the best. It's so good. I mean, this is jumping back a little bit, But, and it's not a question. It's just, I'll be honest with you. After episode one, everybody's calling you the pilot Pete of the season. And I'm like, this is the, I'm being honest part. I'm like, people, chill.

Let's not give him the crown like yet. It's been one episode. Totally. And you turned out to be pilot Pete on steroids. Put pilot peep to shame. I do feel that same way, though, because it was very quickly people, were like this guy's smart. He's got a brain. And I was like, I'm not right the whole season. I had some dumb moments in there. And like,

I like strategy. It doesn't mean I'm Boston Rob. So I was just like, don't, just because I was right once, don't give me the count too quick. I was worried for you because the bar was set so high, so quickly. And you were just like a hero. After one episode, I was like, he's not going to be able to keep this up. No, definitely not. And yeah, I saw that too Because again, like I had my experience in the castle I thought I was going to be like a blip I don't know when I got into that castle

I didn't know what a confessional was I'm like what am I supposed to talk about? I had no idea so I know all these people are just media trained, they're funny I'm like I'm barely going to be in the show and then I see episode one I'm like oh crap I've got a storyline already Yeah you just wanted to blend it

Yeah. So it was all new to me watching it with with the world. It's so good. Wait, that's, I like, I forgot about that. Like, everyone that's like been on, like, majority of people, like Gabby, for instance, she's so used to doing her confessions, like from, from The Bachelor and Bachelor. Survivor, Big Brother. Yeah, they all do that. They all have those little moments. And they're good at them, too. Like, Brittany was so funny in hers. And, like, I, like, in the beginning of the show, she wasn't talking that much. And she was very quiet at the roundtables. And then I saw some of her confessions and I'm like, damn, she's like, reeling us. Yeah.

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Who were you most excited to see there? So, too. Like everyone knows Boston Rob. We've got our thing. But Carolyn, believe it or not, because I had watched your season, I'm afraid that I won't know a single person when I show up. Because at that time, I hadn't really watched too much Bravo. And I was just afraid.

I was like, man, I'm not going to know anyone. Yeah. I see Carolyn in my car. One of them. So is Carolyn, Danielle, and Iver. In your car. In my car. The first four people, the three people I see. Yeah. And I was so stoked to see Carolyn. Because I watched her season. I loved her in it. And I was like, I'm going to, in alliance already. Like, us four, let's do it. I'm going to get to know Iver and Danielle as well. But like me and Carolyn are going to be tight. Like, I know what she's like. And I'm there for. So Carolyn, I was pretty excited to see. Meanwhile, you're in that car with two traders. Yeah, and they didn't know that at the time, though. Right. So again, I don't think Danielle knew at that point that she was going to say she wanted to be a traitor. Because she wanted to be a faithful.

And then she saw Brittany. In the car, right? She's like, we're like, is there anyone that you're afraid to see show up? I think I actually said like Tony and Boston Robb. And then she was like, gosh, Brittany, because she backstabbed me in the last thing I did, the reindeer games. And then we'd get out of the car. and she's like, that's Britney. See, I haven't seen their reindeer games or whatever.

I don't even know what show were that? Survivor? No, it was Big Brother reindeer games. And it was like a small holiday special, very low stakes. Okay. I haven't seen that. But I totally forgot that they were like enemies going into because they literally became besties. Yeah.

Totally. Yeah. I totally forgot about that. Yeah. It was. I remember that. but when, yeah, it confused me also. Okay.

After the after the Bob the drag queen moment happens, are you still fully set on thinking Boston Robb is a faithful? Or was there any part of you that was like he could have just turned on his guy? Yeah, I wasn't thinking that way. Like I wasn't, I wasn't. I wasn't quick to be he was a traitor. Yeah.

But the thing is, everybody else was. So everybody in the castle thinks he's a traitor. Right. So I really was the vocal opposition that was like, hey, this guy had my back. Like, I know we're good together. I want to keep him around. Yeah. So when everyone was fighting to get rid of him, I was definitely the opposition voice.

I'm like, hey, let's look somewhere else. Let's like, I want to keep this guy around. He's like, we just got a traitor out together. Let's work together some more. Yeah. So and I said that in the beginning of the game, even when I didn't want him in the castle, because I was like, he's the most dangerous person. Like, he's going to, we're going to regret bringing him into this castle. So I was very aware of his threat level.

At that point, I wanted to work with him still. And it was just like, I guess end game strategy is like, I got to get to the end first before. And you kind of saw that with Danielle and Carolyn. Like, once we get to the end game, we can start really playing that thing. I was always looking for traders, but I also had my blinders on for the people that I was closest with. Yeah. But you had to keep him close. Yeah.

He was like, yeah. And you saw what happened when you spoke out against him. It was everyone that did was out of there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love the interview that Alan just said when he was like making a face that somehow like Rob convinced everyone to vote Wes out instead. Yeah.

But like every time we were like, oh, this is the one Rob's going. And then he still stayed and we were like, wait, how? Yeah. How is this happening? I know. I probably for two full episodes, I'm like, Rob's gone, man. He's so gone. Totally. And that's just the master classes that he put on in the roundtables. And that's how it really felt. It felt like we were going on the roundtable. He was going to be banished. Yeah. So I was always there like I didn't want that time to come yet. He was always had his back against the wall. So whenever I could help, I would try to help. But I was helping the traders. It's kind of worked out. It's fine. Watching it back were you like, because I'm, you know, in the moment, you can't really see that you're surprised. He stayed that long. But like watching it back where you like, did you kind of get to relive it and be like, wow, this is actually kind of crazy, like how he was able to do it? Yeah. Because again, like I didn't put together he was a traitor. So, so I was, yeah, I was shocked. Like he, he carried those three episodes. The same way Bob the drag queen carried the first three or four. He carried the next three or four. Yeah. That's so true. What is, Tay brought this up before, and I guess it's a good question.

No, I guess. It is a good question. What does downtime look like, like when you're not filming? What does downtime look like? Yeah, there's a lot of it. And you're normally broken into small groups, or all together in one area. So, like, right before bed, we'll all be in the same room, and they're, like, on. us, making sure we're not talking to each other.

Like sometimes we would play like trivia, keep everybody distracted. And then a lot of times we'll be in small three to four person groups. Again, we're miced up. They really prevent us from talking strategy. So you can talk about real life. You can talk about your kids,

whatever it is. And that's where you really get to know people. You have a lot of free time where you're sitting around, just chatting. But trust me, as soon as you're like, so about the voice. So within two seconds, someone's tapping on the shoulder being like, so what are you doing?

And like, let's change a topic. It's really a well-oiled machine. They have you miced up for all of that. Yes. They're listening. And they are listening. Like, they must have one to two people just dedicated to each of us listening to our audio. So it's crazy.

There's no cheating in that. But that's the hard part about being a trader. So again, like down time. You still have to be on then. That's like danger time. Yeah. So you're not talking about the. game, but you're also not, you're talking with people that you're lying to. So it's,

it's tough. It's like you, you are still a traitor even in the off time. That's why people, because, okay, this is a thing of mine, that's why people feel actually backstabbed when they figure out somebody's a traitor. Because just as a viewer, these people like getting upset at the traders, like being like, you backstab me. I'm like, bro, it's a game. Like what? But it's because of this, like the downtime, getting to know each other, and during those real moments, they're still kind of lying to you. 100% like me and Danielle would talk. And that's why I genuinely still love Danielle. Like, we were so close in the castle. I understand she was lying to me the whole time. But like all

those conversations of her kids, of her life, of her work, and all those things are real. Those are very real to me. Yeah. So like, it's hard to even grasp how much. she was battling that internally while portraying this villain as well. I could tell that you liked her or had some sort of relationship with her because after one of the episodes, probably the shaking one, I texted you. I was like, Danielle's making me bash my head through a window right now. I don't know if I can keep watching. And you were like, she's not growing on you? I was like, no.

What? She's growing less. And that told me that you liked her. I was like, okay, I'll leave that one alone. Yeah. No, she's... I'm not surprised. She's the first one to admit it, too.

She's like, look, I was making myself cringe on TV. Hey, you know, she did well. Yeah. You can say whatever you want, but, like, she did very well. She did. She did. And again, so much of that's the edit. Like, I think what the edit didn't show

her is how good she wasn't making relationships. Yes. For sure. And of course, they can't really show that. Like, I don't know where you'd fit that in the show. Yeah.

But she did make really good relationships. Dolores wouldn't write her name down for it. Anything. I'm getting that. Yeah. Trust me, I tried. But it was like, that's how good she had planted her seeds.

Yeah. Do you have any questions? You can go. I know you have. Well, no, I figured I would just jump forward to the Dolores conversation. after you had that conversation with Dolores

and you realized there's no she's never going to say Danielle it's just not going to happen did that force you to have to like play your hand earlier than you wanted on Daniel 100% I like at that point when there's six people left I think you can start to like

visualize what's going to happen so someone's going to get murdered someone's going to get banned someone's going to get banished. And like you start playing those. So then there's four people left, two traders, two faithful. And you start, you can visualize how it's going to end. So I was definitely thinking about keeping Danielle in another night to try to see if we can suss out a different trader. Then I know for sure, Daniel's a trader. We can get her out at the fire. But if we can get out someone, then we know for sure. Like it would have been Brittany or something. So that's how I woke up that morning. And I think you can

see me with like talking to Iver being like look I'm still a little suss on Gabby I'm trying to like not reveal my cards trying to like see if we can find this other traitor and then I had that conversation with Dolores where she's I was like you know it's Daniel and she's like no I don't I really don't I will not write her name Dylan so then I'm like okay we have to get her out tonight otherwise we lose this game and that's that was when the math just wasn't mapping I was like we're gonna lose so then me and Gabby, like, we had a conversation. I was like, you're going to have to be the voice tonight. Like, Danielle's so close to me. I can't lead this charge. Right. Like, I will support

you in this. But she was agreeing. Yeah, they're trying to say your name and I'm aligned that we're going to go after Danielle tonight. Was that the moment where you and Gabby, like, kissed and made up? It probably was. It was after the Cushel murder in plain sight. That was like the clearest, clear as day. I'm sorry Gabby. Like, you wouldn't have just murdered your best friend in plain sight unless you're a savage game player. And you would have murdered me. You would have murdered Tom. I was like, I know she's a faithful at this point.

Right. Makes sense. Oh, it's so fun. It's so fun. I have to ask, was there a favorite mission that you went on? The helicopter is the easy choice just because how cool is that? Is that a dropping? No, and they, yeah. Yeah, dropping the bags. Oh, yes.

Yeah. Like, that reminded me of, like, watching the challenge as a kid. Like, that was cool. Yeah, that was cool. Of the other ones, like, the boat one was honestly so fun and so hectic. It was probably the best, like, TV mission they had. Sorry. The very first one.

It was the very first one where, like, it was all the housewives were getting off on the little platforms. and Bob was yelling at everyone telling the guys to get off to. The platforms, the floating platforms? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was the best mission for so many reasons. Like, there are tells. Like, the traders are more likely to get off the boat.

So, like, we're getting some information. And then there's also just the chaos, the guys staying on the boat, the women being off, and all the chaos that's so, like, that was such a good mission from them. that like I just enjoyed it all. Great mission. I think it was once we're on the way back, Wells is going like, Ro, row, and I'm like, the winds in his hair. And I'm like so sore.

My forearms are on fire. I was like, dude, this is like, pretty cool. I'm on a show right now doing a mission that I've watched as a kid. Like, I didn't want to get off that boat because that was the moment that I'd like dreamed of as a kid. Like a physical mission, like doing our best, strategizing together. Like, that was like such a quick highlight for me that I was not going to get off that boat.

Like, I enjoyed every moment of it. And then, of course, yeah, it led to chaos after that. Did you enjoy the bugs? Yeah. I was waiting for a water mission and a bug mission. When the bug one started, we looked at each other and we were like, Dylan could care less about this right now. I'm just like, yeah, he's literally having fun enjoying this. It was until we lost.

And then I was just like, oh my God, I'm going to lose this game because I'm, married Tom Sandval and I'm like, how did I get myself into this situation? Not on my bingo card or whatever. Okay, wait. Last question on the missions. Speaking of Tom Sandoval, you were in the house on the listening side of the singing, right? When you were listening to him doing his whole thing, which we've now seen, were you, like, dying inside laughing?

like we are now watching it or were you annoyed? It was annoying because the thing was like from our perspective like no matter how good of a singer he was and how loud he could project and like maybe the tone was right

we needed the letters like we needed if it was like PS or SP we needed to hear that otherwise it wouldn't make a word going backwards so he was just harmonizing so loud and it's peeking on the phone So it's like, it's so loud.

It's all we hear is like, and then, and we're just like, dude, that doesn't, we're not hearing anything. Like, put someone else on the phone. So we were just like all saying like, give someone else the phone. It ended up being Brittany. Brittany, most of the answers we got were Britney. Got it. So we were very frustrated, but also like laughing with slash at Tom. Easy to laugh out after.

But I imagine in the moment it was like, why isn't anybody? else. Yeah. There was a, sorry, there was a part where I was just like, Tom, like, louder isn't better.

And like, everyone was kind of like snickering because it was, it really was, like, it was so loud that it was peeking. We couldn't hear anything.

Dude, so funny. Guy thought he was Mariah Carey, like plugging one ear. It was, I couldn't tell if it was like, if you're like locked in, like you guys on the other end, if you're like locked in

and just like, trying to just like focus and you're like totally just on this level that he's at or if it was like, at what what you're saying happened. I was like, I'm really curious to see which which one of these is actually going out right now.

Is he funny as he comes across? Yes, like I think so. So the cute, like, I'm calling it cute. Like, it was such a cute Tom Sandval moment. It was like, we hear the rules read from Alan. And we all know by this point, it's going to be an hour until this mission starts, just from production standpoints and needing to get all set up, all those different things. But as soon as he heard Alan say, we're going to be singing.

immediately the vocal warm-up started. So he goes to the medic, I need a cough drop, I need a cough drop. Then he does the whole like lips thing where it's like, boom, I can't do it. And he starts like just going through his whole pre-stage warm-up. And it was like all of us were just like, Tom, dude, get out of here. Like, we've got an hour, bro.

It's just classic. He's so funny in that way. Oh, man. He seems like one of a kind. Yeah. And the best part is like sometimes I think he's in on the joke, but he also doesn't take himself too seriously. Sometimes I don't think he's in on the joke. But he doesn't take himself too seriously.

So it's a lot of confidence to do what he does. For sure. It's good TV. It's really good TV. When it was the final four, what was your confidence level that, one, everyone was a faithful and two that everyone was going to throw green? Yeah. Yeah. So I didn't know that everyone was going to throw green.

That was the most. Once everybody did, I strongly believe we won. But I wasn't sure that everybody was going to throw green. Would it been Dolores? Would have been Dolores or Gabby? So I had a final two alliance with Gabby. Because you have to prepare for whatever's to come. So that was what we had discussed, and neither of us wanted to do it at all.

Like, we had to have the conversation to be paired, but we're like, I don't want to throw red. And she's like, well, I don't want to throw red. And I was like, all right, well, let's end with four, because that's. what we both want. Yeah. But let's be prepared in case. So that was my plan. The shitty part was

once Brittany came at me, I just became suspect number one. So I think it was right before when she was choosing the seer. Brittany and Gabby leave the room and I tell them, I'm like, guys, if either one of them says they're a traitor, we just don't trust either and we win.

Like, that's the logic of this. Then at the roundtable, I find myself in the same position. Brittany's calling me a traitor. The smart thing for them is just to get rid of us both. They went 100%. So I had realized the strategy I just gave them is now going to take me out of the game.

So that I had found myself in a tricky spot and the coolest part was that they just believe me. That was what it came down to. It was like, yeah, they trusted me. So the fact that they trusted me and didn't listen to Brittany, I was like, I wanted to end it with the four of us, now I'm positive.

I want to end with the four of us. I am not going to throw red. Yeah. So it really was like at that moment, it felt like I had my, found my people that I could trust. And it was such a like warm feeling after being so scared the whole game. Like we were so uneasy. Yeah. It was a great, great ending.

Yeah. I mean, obviously it was great because you won. But it just, it felt very like full circle because I feel like there was kind of like a person from each little click or like from each group that kind of just ended up all trusting each other. And it worked out for the best. Yeah. Yeah, we won such different ways with such different strategies. For sure.

Gabby played an incredible game. And Iver and Dolores won because they were just so trustworthy. Yep. So it really was all different strategies that went together. It was cool. I love Gabby so much. Yeah, she crushed it. I don't know her personally, but I'm like, I'm obsessed with her.

You're watching a Gabby video. You're like her biggest fan. I am. It's fine. Okay. Last question we have to ask is, I know that you, on one of the press shows, things you were just doing, they were talking about an all-star season if you would do it. And you said yes. Yeah. The people of the internet have been talking and I feel it is my duty to ask. They want to see more of you on reality TV shows. Is that something you would be open to? I don't know, maybe perhaps like dancing with the stars. I've heard they want you. You want dancing with the stars too. We can make a handshake deal.

We'll only do it if we do it together. I'll come move in with you guys and we'll practice every night. I would love that. Dancing with the Stars is the one that's the most intimidating. I don't know how you feel about it. Yeah, no, no, super. It's super intimidating to me. Because I'm all about stepping out of my comfort zone.

That's about as far out of my comfort zone as I could get. Totally. So I don't know with that. Never say never. Yeah, never say never. but that would be a lot. Like, I'm much more into the physical stuff. That's, like, something I would just do for the experience.

Like, yeah, what's it called? The special forces. Oh, yeah. That's just an experience to me. You would. Like, that would just be fun. Wait, I didn't, why didn't even think? Maybe I didn't think of that because that's, like, normal for you.

Yeah, not normal. You shouldn't even be allowed to do special forces, to be honest. But that's where I just think, like, that's, I love, like, my whole life, I've chased experiences over everything. So rather than do another reality show to just do another reality show, I wanted to be something I love and like something with strategy, something with physical nature, like stuff like that is really, I'm open to it for sure. Love it. Well, thank you, Dill. This was very helpful. I loved it. Thank you. It was like, I have all my questions answered now. Okay. I can. Where's Sue?

He's something on the other side. Oh, you're like, did you just wrote me into dancing with the stars? Dina. Awesome. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.