The Squeeze - Jaclyn Hill and Laura Lee: An Honest Girl Chat

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

In this week’s episode, Tay sits down for a girl chat with beauty influencers and Tay’s close friends Jaclyn Hill and Laura Lee! They get into what beauty products are actually worth the splurge versus what you should buy the dupe of, the top three products they can’t live without, and the skin prep steps that make or break your makeup. Beyond beauty, they share what’s surprised them most about marriage, how they’re thinking about when and whether to have kids, and their thoughts on keeping children offline in today’s social media world. They also open up about beauty standards, GLP-1 conversations, navigating friendship breakups, and the advice they wish they could go back and give their 20-year-old selves!Be sure to follow Jaclyn https://instagram.com/jaclynhill/ and Laura https:/instagram.com/larlarlee/!To email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to [e-mail] sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on all of our socials:The SqueezeInstagram: https://instagram.com/thesqueeze/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@thesqueezepodcastTay LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylautner/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@mrstaylautnerAmazon Storefront https://urlgeni.us/amazon/FDXj7 Taylor LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylorlautner/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@taylorlautnerTo learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow https://instagram.com/lemonsbytay/ and visit https://lemonsbytay.comEpisode Sponsors:Find your favorite flavor at PremierProtein.com, or at Amazon, Walmart, and other major retailers.Right now, Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase with promo code SQUEEZE.Grab Goodwipes for free at Walmart so you can upgrade your restroom routine! Buy any one, two or three pack in Walmart or Walmart.com, text them your receipt, and get reimbursed almost immediately. For more details, head to goodwipes.com/SQUEEZE.Go to liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first purchase with code SQUEEZE at checkout.Shop Redken now at Ulta and and feel the fullness.MB014GJJJKQV82RSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We don't get-trial. Yeah, we don't get-keep anything. Can't do it. In this household, I'm not going to cry today. Could you imagine if we can sing? Oh, my. Like, I just gave myself the ick. What are top three products that you can't live without?

Holy crap. A test run before you drop the dough. 100%. I don't wear sunscreen. I knew you were going to say that. How did you know? You're a porridian. We can cut this question out if you want to.

Cut this up. They burned my skin off and I was like, this works. All it works, too. You do know our names. My name's been in way too many people's mouths. My daddy is she are going to blow through the room. You're activating me. I have something to admit.

Hello, lemon drops. Welcome back to another episode of The Squeeze. I am here with my two dear friends who are no strangers to this podcast and people that I trust with my life, Ms. Jacqueline and Miss Laura. Woo! Hi guys. The girls are in the house. The girls are here.

And I was just feeling like, I feel like we really needed to just do like a girl chat. Like I feel like I've seen both of you guys posting about it. And I feel like I've been getting a lot of questions of people. I don't know if it's just because we're kind of like still in the new year. year people like wanting to make life adjustments or just trying to figure out who they are and what's going on. And I feel like this would be the perfect opportunity for us to get together and chat. I'm so happy to be here. Seriously, I was looking so forward to this. When you sent me a voice note like a week ago and you were like, you can totally turn this down. I love how you always

preface it. Before like she invites you to do anything, she's always like absolutely zero pressure. Like 100,000 percent no pressure totally. You can turn this down like you can take something in the face. I won't even care. But would you be interested in a girl chat? I was like, I am so into this. This is like my favorite type of podcast I personally listen to. Yeah. I love just like real raw girls talking about things that girls go through.

Like I'm happy to be here. Girl chat, I love that you had all three of us too because I feel like we've all lived a lot of life, but also different lives. So it comes from a lot of perspective for all of us to give advice. Also, I love the squeeze. I love being here. I know we too.

We both poured our souls out in these green chairs. I know. I thought about it today when I was getting ready. I was like, am I going to cry today? I was like, because I asked you. Last time I left. Listen. A mess. They'll get you gal.

They'll get you. Oh, it sure will. We know how to get you. I love, oh, Remyon just dropped her ball outside. I just sort of flop. Okay, let's start with the citrus got real question because why not? Oh, I forgot about this. Oh, wait.

Here, read it. I thought we all had one. No, it's just one? Why am I grabbing? I'll do it. I would have all of us, but as you can see, there's only a couple left in there. That's right. So we ask one question and then everybody answers.

Okay. No. I want one better than that. For us girls, we need something better than that. Okay. Okay. Ooh, if you could instantly master any skill, what would it be? Singing.

That's a good one. I was going to say acting. That's really good. Mine would be playing an instrument, which I will do before I die, unless I die soon. You never know. But it's always been. What am I go? I know. I'm like, I will die. And it could be soon. Jack was like, I know. I was going to fucking cry.

No, you're not. You're very much alive. I'm well, well, well. I just want to play an instrument. I love that. Okay, I'm between guitar, piano, or violin. So if you're musically talented, someone tell me which one's the easiest, and I'll start there. I don't think violin's the scene. I was going to say piano. I wanted it to be violent. Violin. I was going to say piano. I played piano growing up for like three years. I took piano lessons. I just think you, I don't think guitar and violin is very easy personally. I think you could really, really slow the piano.

You could just like guitar is like I just, it's like on my bucket list like getting into fitness was like before I die I was always like I'll do it and now and the instrument

has always been on the list I could be 40 before I start could be 50 but I will play something before I die I had no idea that that was a thing yeah no clue that's good I have been thinking about that and you want to sing

yeah I've been asking Taylor for a long time I would never shut up if I could sing oh I would be so annoying insufferable I already am but I've Oh, I would be, yeah. Yeah. Could you imagine if we could sing? Oh, bitch.

It would be over. It would be over. I wish I could act so bad and I think it's because I've been, like, I'm always watching TV shows and movies, but like, we've watched so many deep TV shows in movies recently and I'm like, whoa, as I'm watching it, I'm like, that would be so crazy to be able to embody a character like this. Yeah. Yeah.

Like so intense. Screaming and crying or like when you have to act out like someone dying in your arms. Yeah. Imagine trying to act that out. Also, the whole world like sees it. Yeah. So like that is exactly. Oh my God.

And if you think you can act and it's easy, try it. No. Like I just gave myself the ick at me. Like imagining myself. I'm getting hot. No, goodbye. No. We can't.

That's a good one though. I would love to all. I love all three of ours. I think they are all such great, amazing talents that we don't have. I love my untalented friends. That's why we get a lot. That's how we get along. That's hilarious.

Just untalented people. So we asked our audiences, I'm sure you guys saw our Instagrams, we put some stuff up, to get some questions. We wanted to get some real questions that you guys are struggling with in life, things you need advice on, and we honestly got like such a big range of questions. We did. And yeah, I think we should just get into it. Okay, great.

You start, Jeklin. I feel like you got some really good ones. me to start. I want you to start. I know you get some screenshots. Jackman Hill. I should have made you do the subscribe and whatever you think. Okay, welcome back to my channel. Please subscribe. Okay. Wait, so I'm just going to like literally, first of all, I will just say, I put on my stories that we're going to be doing this. And I have thousands of responses. But for the most part, it's kind of interesting because there is like certain topics where so many people were interested and they asked similar questions around the

same topic. So many. I'm going to start because it can get heavy. It can get like deep with some of these topics. I'm going to start super light because it's kind of fun. So it says, I want some big sis advice. What are some things that we should splurge on versus things to save your money on and just buy the dupes? I love that. I love it too. That's a good question. But I don't want to answer first. Okay. Oh, I was going to say you're good at that though. So save the best for last. I'm getting. I'm bad at that. I'm bad at that. I'm, I guess the only thing I really like splurge on is jeans. See, yes.

I always say splurge on the basics and trendy items, colorful items, items you're not wearing regularly, do not splurge on. But your basics, like a good pair of loafers, a good pair of boots, a good pair of running shoes,

or shoes, sneakers. Yeah. Make that a little nicer. Uh-huh. And then all the little in-between trends and rings and bullshit, don't splurge on that. Get a good black bag that you're going to carry every day. I think for me,

it's always about, figuring out what it is that you genuinely use the most. Me personally, it's jackets. I have never regretted spending a lot of money on a nice jacket, like a good leather jacket. You wear for years. So, for instance, I bought like three really nice designer jackets back in 2016, and I was a certain weight. Then I gained like 60 pounds. Then I lost that weight.

This last winter, I've been able to wear those three jackets again, and I wore them all winter long and they're officially what nine years old yeah yeah but like they weren't trendy pieces they were like forever type coats yeah I wore them all winter because I fit in them again yeah and I'm like oh this and that made me think about it I'm like this is not a waste of money I've been wearing the same leather jacket since 2015 yeah that's like it's still held up and I'm like that's worth your money yep that's worth your money you can even like buy the dupe of something that you're interested in and see if you're actually like gonna wear it like even especially like jewelry too Like you may think you want like a chunky ring or like earrings, but then like you wear it and you're like, oh, actually.

A test run before you drop the dough. 100%. I also think that like bags are not necessary even though you know I love my handbags so much. Yeah. Yeah. It's not. It's really not. Like I think owning one nice handbag. Like a black handbag you're going to carry every day. Yes. Until you use the absolute crap out of it. I think that's all that's necessary genuinely. Yeah. That's just me. That's good. I wrote some beauty questions down this for myself because I just like to ask you guys makeup questions 24-7. What are, I guess it's skinny beauty and like skincare wellness.

What are top three products that you can't live without? Holy crap. What are you thinking, Laura? I know my NAR's soft mat, complete concealer. Just because even if I'm not wearing makeup, I'll do a dot, you know? So I know that's like a go-to for me. That's in my top whatever number. Like I can't let.

I use that almost every day in my life even when I'm not doing makeup. Exactly. So it's like it's got to be one. Just a smudge, a smidge. So NAR soft matte complete concealer. It's the one of the potte. Okay. Everyone needs it.

I know where this is going. What else is something that you would just like could not do your makeup without? See, my mind goes to skincare before makeup. Yeah. What is like, I was actually thinking about this as I got ready today. What is the skin prep that you guys do before you put makeup on? Ooh. You know what's weird is that I use those medicube pore pads before I put my makeup on because I feel like they put like a barrier of like anti-acne on my face. I get that. Before I pack it on with powders and foundations. And then I'll

put like moisturizers and sunscreens and all on top of that. But I always start with those poor pads. So you do the medicube core pads and then you moisturize. Do you do serums, moisturize and all that? I do all of that before you put makeup on? Yeah. Yes. The answer is yes. See, that's what I can't. I can't figure that out.

Don't you lie, girl. I was like, don't you make your? I said yes. Okay, wait, but what's the order? I would do. Like all of it. Poor ones. Uh-huh.

Cleanse, poor pads, serum, moisturizer sunscreen. Done. Then primer. I skip primer most of time. It depends how quickly I'm doing my makeup. If I'm doing my skincare, I'm jumping straight into my makeup. I don't use primer.

I just use my skincare. as my primer. If I'm going to do my skincare, like this morning, I woke up, I did my skincare, that my dogs out, I made my coffee, and then like an hour later I did my makeup, now I'm priming. Yep. Okay, that makes sense. Because I want the skin tacky. I want it, like, ready to grip. I would say sunscreen, moisturiser,

non-negotiables, though. So like, if you were like, light baby glam, like, it's not that serious. Moistriser, a little sunscreen and then go in with your... I have something to admit. I don't wear sunscreen. I know you were going to say that you Floridian. How did you do? How did you know? I do not wear sunscreen.

I only wear sunscreen if I'm going to be in the sun. The sun directly. Totally. Totally. I do not wear sunscreen. I already have dark spots, though. So I'm spooked. Girl, I'm spooked.

I've gotten rid of almost all of them with skincare, though. Yeah. Almost all of them. Those brightening pill pads, Santis. Sanitas. Jacqueline put me on. That was the first product I thought of when we first started this conversation is my sinitas brightening peel pads.

I've been talking about them for, I think, like 13 years. You have. So they burned my skin off and I was like, this works. Oh, it works, girl. I was like, this is going to work. It was going to do some shit for me. It weren't. And any time I run out of them for like a month or two, I'm like, why has my skin

look so dull and shitty? And I'm like, oh, my God. It's the freaking pads. And then I reorder them and my skin's back to life a week later. They're pricey, but they're like dermological grade. Like you, as soon as you put on your cheek, you're like, yeah. Yeah. I think that if I had to choose like my go-to products, was that the question?

That was the original one. And I kind of steered this way. Go-to products is it would all be skincare. And then it would only be the Narspot consumers. That's the only thing that I would use for makeup if I had to choose one makeup product for the rest of my life Because if you've got good glowy skin all you need is a little concealer just like touch touch and then like that's it Brush your brows and like that's what we're that's what we're doing. Okay, I need to I need that I'm skincare obsessed. Also have you guys tried the refi maskera? No

Mm-mm. Girl and you know I have busted ass lashes. I had busted ass lashes Your lashes would go crazy with this mascara. It has that weird it's like a weird hook wand Yes and I was like this is bullshit. I was like this is bullshit. I was like this is bullshit. I shit. Tried it. It's insane. Okay. My favorite is the YSL. Yeah, I love that one. You got that for me for my birthday and I just, love that one. I just re-bought it. It's fantastic. When my lashes throw back, I'm going to try the rify. Get the rify. Try the rify. I want you guys to tell me what you think. I'm obsessed with it. Okay. Yeah. Do you, are, are those your real lashes? I have two little falsies on the end. I'm going to be honest. You never know. You never do?

Yeah. No, all mine. They're right. They're great, though. Even, even if I'm not looking at them. I got a lash lift. Oh, God. I need so good. I'm such a confesser. I I love it. That's what you're here for. We don't get keep anything. Can't do it. In this household. Lately, my life has felt like a constant juggling act between work, social plans, travel, trying to move my body, and still show up for myself.

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I'm like, Jack. I'm like it's Laura Lee. There's a gun to my head. I'm like it's Laura. No, Laura wasn't here. I'd actually say Laura. I was just telling her before the camera started rolling how much I'm enjoying her content. Because when you're friends with content creators, there's a difference between loving them and loving their content.

Yeah. Like you go in ebbs and flow. where it's like, I'll be like, oh, shit, I haven't seen so-and-so's content for a while because it's not really like piquing my interest, even though I love them so much as a person, right? But like your content's so good recently. It's like the perfect mixture of like relatable health and wellness. Thank you. And then also like still the glam.

It's good. That's so sweet. You also throw in the lifestyle, the cleaning. I'm like, oh, God, give me the vacuum. I love when you freaking pull that thing out. Do you know? I went to a dinner the other night and a girl I was leaving. She was like, never stop cleaning your kitchen.

Yes. I was leaving up. I love that. And I was like, that's so cool. Thank you. Your content is fired. And sometimes I'm like, what am I doing? I'm like, oh, gee, and I'm scrubbing the bottom of my refrigerator online.

But then I like that's what I'm doing that day. It's so good. I know. I love it. Thank you. I love it. I was really sweet of you. I think you're both like organic to yourselves.

Thank you. Yes. Like I feel like you're like trying to like do something or like you. Like I feel like you're very both naturally yourselves with it. Thank you. why your content like does well. Because people know that that's...

You know who I love outside of us. Tell me. Shelby Ann. Shelby Ann. She's so real. I love Shelby Ann. Yeah. And she's like a working artist.

Also do her stuff. Tay's not like emerged in the beauty community. Okay. You know? I just feel like... She's so great. She's working makeup artist. She's in her young 20.

She's just drugstore base. Like almost all her... No filters. Yep. no filters. Almost all of her content is drugstore only. She's a doll. Yeah. I love her. Like, I just love her. Hi, besties. I know. Hi, besties.

Jacqueline did a collab with her. I did. Yeah, we did a L'Oreal thing together. Aureole partnership. She was so much fun. She was painted. That's right, right? The L'Oreal bin when she met you. Like, Jacqueline's her icon. Yeah. I really, I love her. I really do. There's a lot of people that I really enjoy their content, though.

Yeah. But I'm the worst. A lot of people can't think of their names. Like, I am that person. I hate it. Well, there's 20,000. Yeah, but there's like so many people that I follow and I love them, but I'm like, oh, crap, what are their names? But do you know their face? Yeah. Yeah. But you know their face.

There's so many. It really is. It's crazy. If you're selling an ad, that's really, as long as you recognize their face. Yep. So that's a lot of matters. You know our names. You do know our names.

My name's been in way too many people. Yeah. Oh, well. I actually have a marriage question for us. What has surprised you most about? marriage. I have my answer. Do it.

How much fun it is. Oh, I love that, Jocelyn. I think that's my answer because it's my second marriage. I can attestify your marriage is fun, though. You guys have so much fun together. I have so much fun with him. You seem happy.

My first marriage was not fun. Yeah. And like I say that with so much respect. So your perspective. Yes. But my first marriage was not fun. My first marriage was just, I had so much love for him. it was a very deep relationship, very meaningful, but it was a lot of work.

Like it was a 24 hour a day job. And so I think that's like the thing that has surprised me the most about my marriage to Jordan is like now we've been together. It's about to be eight years, which is so crazy to me. I'm like, eight years. It's crazy. Yeah. And we were actually just talking about this this weekend.

I was saying how like I'm just so grateful that like we still have so much fun together. Like we never feel the need to like include other couples in order to go do something. Like we'll just be like, oh, let's go try this new place. and we'll just go together and we'll have a blast like just him and I. Yeah. And that I did not think that that was ever. I love that so much.

And I can't, my favorite thing is we were coming to your house and then all of a sudden we just hear out of those, what up, bitches! And he made me look at each other and we're like, where's Jordan? He cracks me the, oh.

He's such a good time. He is. He's a really good mood. He's always in a good mood. Always in a good mood. Always wants to have fun. Uh-huh. He's so good.

What surprises me about marriage? You've been with Tyler forever. Like forever and ever. So I'm dying to know what you're going to say. I don't know. I'm like, what could surprise? You know, whenever we took my niece at 14, seeing him in that role. And how he, like, I was like, this is us against the world.

Like, I don't know. It was just, like, really nice to have a partner that was, like, not just willing to take in a child with me. But also, like, was, like, without a shadow of the doubt. like took over her schooling stuff, picking her up from school, like such a dad role and taking care of her without a question asked. And like, not that I never saw that in him, but I didn't ever see that for us or like expected that experience. Does it make you want to have kids? Do what? Does it make you want to have kids? I know that's what people would ask if they're watching. No, no, no, no. I love it. Someone in the audience would be like, does that make you want to have children?

Let me tell you something. I was talking about this earlier. So I'm glad you did say that because I'm like, all my friends are having babies and everybody's getting pregnant because we're kind of near that age. Yep. And I'm like, you guys haven't raised a teenager yet. And it's really fucked up because your love, you love them so much. So it's attached to them. So any decision they make affects you emotionally and like mentally because you got this little wild being out there in the world that's a young adult. And it's attached your heart to it.

It is an extremely painful experience. And it's a beautiful. Like the worry and like, ugh. It's crazy you're saying this because when I was hanging out with Kat last time, Kat Stickler, who everyone who's watching, I'm sure, knows who she is. Yeah. She has her daughter, M.K. And I was like, okay, so I was talking her about how having children.

And I'm like, I definitely want to be a mom. Like, Jordan really wants to be a dad. Da-da-da. Like, what's it like? And she said that. She said, someone said on the internet one time that it's like having your heart be outside your body. And I was like, oh, damn.

and we talked about that where it's like your heart is just exposed You'll never know peace again. And it's so, yeah. Because you just want the best for them You want them to be happy. You want them to make all the right decisions. And then you see them making the bad ones.

I mean, I can see that even with my nieces. Aaron got her belly button pierced the other day. I was going to ask you. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. That's a scar. The tattoo pissed me off. I love you.

And I'm all about like, let's have fun and be silly and get like a cartilage, maybe a nipple, whatever. But I'm like, belly button's going to fuck up your tummy girl. Infected. Like, what are we doing? You are a mom. I immediately, when she posted that,

I immediately went to the comment to see if you were there. What did I say? You're in trouble, period. So I text her. I'm like, Erin, I'm not happy about this right now. And she's like, well, my friend was getting her nose pier. So I had to. You fucking ruined her life for all right here.

I wrote back, smart, period, sent it. And she's like, great. Now we got to have a whole conversation. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's rough. I don't know. I'm cool with things. Like, I'm a cool, and I really am.

I'm not, like, strict. I'm like, you can't get a piercing. You can't. I'm not. Thank you. I just feel like make sure, well, let's make sure our priorities are in order. That's my thing. Absolutely.

And I feel like sometimes piercings are her number one priority. And everything is the back burner. So for me, I'm like, if you were doing other things and you got a piercing, I wouldn't be mad. But, like, I feel like piercing and like, should I dye my hair pink, sometimes comes first for her. Yeah. Well, I think that this is like the perfect segue not to take over your podcast, but this is exactly what I was hoping for. Let it rip. That's like one of the number one topics that's all over in my DMs. It's just the pressure of becoming a mom at our age and just children in general. Like do you want children? Do you feel pressured to have children? Is your family pressure you to have children? So I think like what you just said is like the perfect segue into that. I know like I'm 30. Holy shit. How old? am I? Oh my God. I'm 3036 this year. I'm like a moment of silence. I really hope I looked like you're 36. I know. I know. You are so sweet. Oh my God. But yeah, I'm turning 36 this year. Um, you are 37. I told a 23 year old my age. I had a dinner this week. And his reaction, I was like, thank you. But also you're hurting my feelings because you're really shocked. I'm like, how old is it? I'm 37. And I told him he was like, I had,

No idea. Yeah, what's crazy is that my nieces, Tali and Jada when they were in town last time, something came up about our ages. And I was like, well, I'm 35. And Talia's jaw literally hit the countertop. And she was like, and Jacqueline, I've never really thought about how old you are. And I was like, oh, I'm going to slap the piss out of her. I'm going to slap the piss out of her.

That's funny. I think because, like, I'm still so young at heart and we kiki together so much. Yeah. That, like, she had this moment we're like, oh, my God. Like she's 35, that's almost 40. That's ancient. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm not a mom yet. Yeah.

I will say for me personally, I have felt the pressure this last year really, really strong, like in a negative way almost because there's things that I still want to accomplish, not in business, but just like personal and with me and Jordan. And I have just not felt ready. Yeah. And me and Jordan are definitely like that last couple, like my brother and my sister, like they had kids a long time ago, the youngest in the family now, is now 15 years. years old and it's like, Jacqueline, Jordan, like, come on, we want babies. And like, all of our friends

feel the same way. All of our friends have kids that are like older, like around like the 10 year old age. And they're like, we want a baby. When are we going to have a baby in the friend group? And it's like, oh, God, that's me. And like, I want kids so bad. I didn't think I did growing up. But like, when I met Jordan, it was like, I've talked about this before. Like, I got into a fight with him literally like three months into our relationship. I don't even know if it was that long. because I was like, I want to have your babies. And he was like, let's calm down. And I was like, you're an asshole.

Oh. Like immediate. I was like, I want to have something. I swear it's like, God put this like need in me to be like, oh, I'm going to have his children. But like now eight years in, this is, I'm going to say it. And this is a hot take. And this might get me in trouble. Live your best life.

But I think. I think you've got in trouble for worse. So you're fine. I have that in trouble for much worse. She starts rolling the class. Who you would do this to me? I was going to say that like I this is a hot taken from my personal experience. I think that if you find a good partner and you wait too long, it just gets harder and harder to make the decision to just have the kids and start the family.

Can't confirm. Yeah. I can't confirm. Because we're, we started to get settled in our life. That's what happened. And life is so good. Yeah. It's so good with us.

Yeah. Like it's so great. And I do know that children will just enrich that. And it's also just it's a change and it's like why would you want to change? Yes, it's hard. It's good. It's hard. But I think that I think that it's time.

Like it is. My time is definitely knocking. It's here. But I'm like this is hard. Yeah. I feel like what's nice is like we have a lot of friends too. Like I feel like, I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I feel like I'm finally in a place now where I have like you guys and a lot of my other friends aren't married.

Like we're all kind of like at that same place in life. Yeah. Which is nice because I feel like for a while everyone was kind of like just bouncing all over the place and now everyone's kind of settled and they have their partner and they know where they're living and they have their career kind of figured out. And I feel like it feels like now it finally feels like I don't know. Like the right time. Yeah. It does. It does like the right time.

Like how do you make that decision to be like, okay like I'm going to try now? I know. I think you just like pull the pond. I was supposed to say I think you have to rip the band-aid. I mean, don't ask me to, but I do think that is what you have to do. She's like, for you guys, you guys. You have to rip the band-aid. Yeah, definitely.

But it does. It gets harder. And like the more money you make, the more you save, the more you get comfortable with each other. And it's like Saturdays are so great. You sleep as late as you want. We stay in bed until noon if we want. We just lay in bed, drink coffee there, watch TV.

And like, I'm at that point where, like, I'll tell Jordan like, hey, when we have a baby, this day will not exist. A good reminder. This moment will not exist. And Jordan's definitely team like, yeah, but it would be so much better. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

It's true. Different but better. It's different. I feel like I had the opposite of what you had with Jordan with Taylor. I always, because I'm an only child, I always was like, I want to be like a wife and I want to be a mom. That was like always my thing. And I don't have any cousins my age either. So like the closest is 10 years younger and 10 years older.

So it was really like just me. Yeah. And I'm just like very maternal. Like I always just have been like a mom, the mom of the friend group. 100%. And you are so the mom of their friend group. Yep. So the mom.

Like if everyone's like drinking wine, she's like passing out waters to everybody. I know. I know. But I always wanted to, I always wanted to get like married young and be a mom. And it's been, it was really cool when I started dating Taylor.

I was like, oh, I'm actually like not in a rush to get married. And then we get married. I'm like, oh, I'm actually not in rush to have kids. So I kind of had like, obviously I want to have Taylor's babies. Like obviously that's not a question. But I like had the opposite thing where that was something I really, really, really wanted for so long. And then I found the person.

I'm like, okay, like I'm actually like in love and like content. And you can like breathe and wait for that moment to come. Yeah. That's really sweet. I agree. But like to the question about like pressure and how to know when and deal with pressure. I feel like people do put so much pressure on women to have kids. and they also make it like that's your point on this earth.

Like you have no other purpose. You're just a reproduction machine and I completely disagree with that. So I think like you're a great example. You are as well a maternal instinct. Like I want this. I kind of know I've always wanted to do this. Like listen to yourself. Even if you're like I know I'm not meant for this and like I don't want this.

Listen to yourself. We're so societal. Like we like to attach ourselves to what everybody else is doing because it puts the pressure on us. You know, we see everybody having babies. we're like, like, I gotta do it, got to do it,

got to do it. And so we're technically living by what other people are doing, not like what our voice is telling us and what we think is right for our life. So just listen to you,

it's between you and your partner. You know what I mean? Not between your mom and dad. Not between your best friend group. Not between, even if everybody's getting, it's like listening to that internal voice and maybe you want to be a young mom

and maybe that's great. I think that's beautiful. It's just like such an individual experience. And you should listen to like what your intuition is. speaking to you on. I also think that putting pressure on a woman to have a child is actually the craziest thing that you could pressure anyone to do. Agree. Like I'd rather be pressured to run a marathon tomorrow with no training than to have a child, like what it's going to do to my body physically.

And now that's my responsibility for the rest of my entire life until the day I die. I now have a human being. Yeah. Right? It's like, that's like, that's like, that's so crazy to me that we like pressure women in the first place to start a family. Yeah. Like that is such a selfless job. Yeah. that it's like, I just feel like, it's crazy. Yeah. So, like, there's just so many factors of it, you know, having fertility issues and there's just so many obstacles that then come. Yeah.

With it that even, you know, time, I'm not going to say most of the time, but I think the thing studies are like a third of the time. It's the men's fault. Yeah. Yeah. And there's just, there's just so many. parents put so much pressure on their kids for grandkids. Yeah.

And they're like your value and worth doesn't see that wouldn't feel like my value and worth matters to my parents if all they wanted out of me is reproduction for their grandkids. What about them? You know, like they're here for more. So like I feel like that pressure gets put on people too and it sucks. So I think it's like an individual journey and like really being strong enough to listen to your voice instead of doing what the people around you are doing. Yes.

That's true. I have a follow up question, but I was thinking. about this earlier. My dad, I have a really sweet relationship with my dad and we talk all the time. I know, sorry. I know, sorry. I know, sorry. She has to apologize in every room. We get so many girls are like, oh, my dad. My dad is like the friend group, dad. I was fictimbing one of my girlfriends whose dad passed away last year. And I was talking with her and she was like, I can't wait for Matt to like be a part of this and he's just like the friend group dad um but i love him love you dad um but anyways i was

talking with him and he he i always tease my parents that they're putting pressure on me but they because i'm the only one they're so excited for me to have kids um and i know i don't i actually feel pressure from them i know that they're just like really excited right um well they probably know you want kids too so that's different that's different yeah yeah no there's no like real it's more just like joking yeah um joking but serious um but anyways my Dad randomly, I don't remember what we were talking about, but it was really sweet because he started telling me about how when he was, let's see, my parents told me, I think they were like 25. When he was like around 24-ish, he was kind of feeling like he was like searching for his purpose. Like he didn't really know, like he just felt like something was missing. If you end this by saying you are his purpose, I'm going to walk out of your. my daddy issues are going to blow through the room you're activating me it was just so sweet to hear that he was like becoming a dad like actually gave me purpose in life like it was so it was honestly motivating for me to

hear oh my god that is like the sweetest like i want to give him the biggest heart like that's so sweet but now because like now that i've become such a career driven woman that i never thought i would be it was really nice to hear that because I know like I know a lot of us can relate to this like searching for like that next like like looking for the next step like I'll achieve this one goal in my career. Yes. And then it just like keeps going and it's like when will it ever be enough? Maybe that's what I was talking to him about.

And that just like kind of gave me like hope that I'm like, okay like my career, yes, that's so important to me. But there's also going to be this thing one day in my life that's also going to like fulfill me. Yes. So special. That's so special. Wow. and your dad knows how to communicate love to you on top of loving you.

That's like, wow, man. That's great. My follow-up question was, will you, would you show your children on the internet? I would. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, limited. Yeah. I would.

I don't want to say I wouldn't. And then I'm like, well, I hear my kid. Sorry, guys, I was just kidding. But there are limited ways to do it. You know what I mean? I feel like people have mapped out like faces. Yeah. Because like it's a baby.

Yeah. They're gonna be with me 24 seven. Yeah. But like I, once my kids became like kids age, like toddler age, I don't think I would show my kids. Yeah. I think there's so many creeps. That's like my number one thing is there's so many creeps in this world that really freaks me out. Yeah.

And I know like still to this day, people come up to Tali and Jade all the time. Those are my nieces and they recognize them. And they're like, oh my gosh. Hi. You know, like I followed your aunt. Jacqueline for so long and the idea of, and like even when that happens to them in their very first time, I didn't like it. And I pulled back showing my nieces as much on camera.

So I'm like, oh, like, I don't know. I just think protecting the kids is the most important thing. Yeah. That's a tricky question, though. I know. That's really tricky. I feel like people have gotten compared to like when we started social media, it was just like anything goes because people didn't know.

They were like learning. But now I feel like women have like mapped out like ways of showing their kids, but like not showing their kids, you know, showing the motherly moments, but like covering the face or just like not showing too much skin or anything. And I also think that there's no judgment. Like that's your child at the end of the day for sure. I trust your ability to take care of what you need to do. Yeah. It just freaks me out. I know. Yeah. And it should. I mean, come on. Yeah. I saw this. I don't know if you guys saw it popped up on my TikTok. This like ad, it's from another country, I think. And it was, it's these two, it's this parents that are out at the mall with their daughter.

and they're like, I'm trying to think, let's just say the daughter's name is Taylor because I can't think of any of them. Original. Someone walks by them at the mall and they're like, hi, Taylor. And they're like, do you know that person? And it's like, no, these are adults walking past this family, this parents with their child. And they just start making comments to them as they're like walking by. Like an older lady will be like, oh my gosh, I hope your class project went well. And it's like, oh, I hope you're glad to hear your dad finally picked you up from practice on time.

and it was showing that strangers obviously you can know anything about your child from that and it was literally just showing I have chills thinking about it. It was like if the first time I watched it I was like oh whoa that's creepy. Yeah. So after that I was like ooh. I don't like that. That scares me. That scares me real bad. Yeah. I don't like that. Yeah. It's just kids are just so innocent. Yeah. What's your job to protect them as literally. Yeah. And it's like oh gosh. Yeah. Anything about kids. And I see like so much horrible stuff has been brought to the light recently surrounding children. Yeah. I'm just like, oh, my instant reaction is just like, just protect them. Yeah.

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No, do it. Since we're talking about kids and all of that and protecting them, a lot of my followers were asking about beauty standards. And I would really like to touch on that. because it's something that I would like to listen to people talk about. I would like to listen to other girls talk about this subject, just like the beauty standards in general, especially surrounding just like this new ultra skinny era,

GLP ones, and just where we're at with beauty. And I know this is something that I personally struggle with. I think that everybody does. And I think it's like a conversation that isn't really had very often. And I would like to hear more of it. So I would love to talk about beauty standards right now. And just kind of like how we're navigating it.

And what that looks like for us, especially me and you, Laura, being in the beauty community. Like, I would like to hear about from you as well. Yeah. And just what that looks like. And I'll say right now, I have been on a GLP one. I did the damn thing. I went back on and off of it for a couple, for gosh, months. And I'm officially off of it at this point.

I documented my entire journey. I got a lot of hate for being open and honest about being on a GLP one. Which I'll just be honest. I know way more people, men and women that have been on it than not. Yeah. But I just was open about it. it a year ago and there's a chance that your favorite influencer is on a

GLP 1 and just is not saying Honey throw a rock in LA and you're gonna hit someone on GLP 1 It's not just what they eat or what they're doing for their workout It is a GLP 1 Yeah I personally know Several girls Who push health, wellness,

fitness and have personally told me that they're on one and they will not tell their followers. That is where I draw the line with it Because I feel like you were very honest, but I didn't feel like you necessarily, because your whole was beauty. It wasn't, you weren't selling health and wellness. So I feel like if you wanted to do that in your private life and keep that private, that's okay. And I stand by that. But for people who sell a lifestyle,

sell that. And that's their whole content. I think honesty hour needs to come. Also, I'm not on a GLP one. And I only say that because I don't want to like, we're tinkering around with me. I'm going to be honest. I think it's important for you, though, for someone like you, like you're a runner. you're running your tracks up. You do all the things. And I think it's important for you to be honest with your audience. Like I'm not on one. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. You are somebody. You look so healthy. Thank you. You have not had cosmetic surgeries. You're not on a GLP1. You work your ass off.

You look so good. Thank you. For your age. You look amazing for your age. So you're someone that I would want to follow knowing those things. Right. You embrace your natural body. Like I love that.

If you were to be on a GLP1 as someone consuming your content, I would want to know. Yep. I would want to know because I'd be like, Okay, so like her physique is not obtainable. The beauty standard. Like you, and again, and that was my thing when I documented my journey of doing my GLP one is I was like,

I've always been in the beauty community and I do not want to fuel the fire of these unrealistic expectations of the beauty standard by pretending like I just dropped my, you know, the last 25 pounds naturally in three months. Yeah. It backfired for me. People were upset and they were like, you're, you're the, problem. You're the reason why, you know, all these girls want to get on it and be skinny and yada, yada, yada. I had to just kind of like silence that noise, you know? But that was my intention

because so many girls are on it and not talking about it. And I was like, well, I want to be an honest one. Yeah. But I personally have struggled with not being on it because you do gain weight so easily. Like that's just life. And like that's me. Like even when I'm trying to eat in a calorie deficit. I'm still gaining weight and I'm like and it's difficult because skinny is like the sexy right now. Yeah. It's the thing. Like that super model 90s skinny is in and I think it's

so gross that like body types are in. Yeah. But like it's a hard thing to navigate. It is. It is. I made it through the BBL era in Los Angeles with no hips and I made it all the way through guys. I know. No surgery.

And that's what I'm saying. Very brave. It was brave. It was brave. It was brave. I was brave. Let me tell you, walking out here with no hips, it was crazy. And you look amazing. Thank you right now. Not that I was like ever thinking about getting one.

I'm just not, I'm too scared of surgery to begin with and that feels very major to me. But also I just don't see myself with hips. Like I don't see myself coming through the door with an hourglass. I've never seen that for myself, not my body style, not my body type. So I've owned it. But I agree with Jacqueline. We are in the 90s supermodel era again. I think Jop1 has a lot to do with.

with it. And it's now just like so accessible. And it's, that's not what you get on the internet. You don't need a doctor. You don't need anything. You can have at your door the very next day. They're little like I see like Wagovi like pills now. It's on the TV. It's so easy. I'm actually all for it too because I know it's like transformed people's lives and like yeah. It's just like it does create a standard for everyone across the board. But I think every time you stand in your power and are confident in your body, the next woman will see them be inspired by it. You know what I mean? I also feel like with beauty standards.

I feel like I've been lucky with, I don't know what the brain in me is. I don't know if it's just because I literally like just like don't care half the time. But like I don't want to be, I don't want to like fit the mold. And I don't like, I feel like I also like blend in because I wear sweats while time and I'm like not like making loud statements. Like I'm not that kind of like, I don't want to fit in. Yeah. Because that's not my personality. but I was like created like this.

Yeah. Like I want to like I want to look like myself. I don't want to look like everyone does on the magazine or whatever it is. And I think that is so special. And what you're saying sounds so simple, but it's so rare. Yeah. It's so rare.

And I think it's really, really special that you feel that way. And I would hope that like if I ever had daughters, they would, I would be able to raise them to feel like exactly what you just said. And that's amazing. Yeah. It's really hard to get lost in the sauce.

It really is. Like I have to check myself here. like we'll go to these events and I'll leave feeling like such an ugly sack of shit like the amount of surgeries and huge boobs and just everything that you see that's beauty though because I go to events outside of beauty sometimes like I'll do a lifestyle thing or like my friend Joe or so no one in there's beauty it's a completely you you will just be like oh my god everyone's normal yeah everyone looks it's beauty I know the beauty industry is like I know we could do a whole documentary I mean my god the beauty

The events are a completely different standard than the rest of the industry. No, I actually feel that when I go to beauty events because, again, as you guys have learned, the listening to his podcast, I have no idea how to do my, like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't have the, the trendy, you know, the jeans in the, like, I just, I'm like just not, I don't know, I'm like not present. Like, we were talking about bags. There's like, both of them, like, had these super cute bags that art designer bags that are just like cute.

I'm like, what is this fluffy bag? Like, I don't know anything. So that's, that's great. I think that's great. I think it's amazing. That's like, yeah. And you're like out here interviewing, like, huge celebrities and you're just so down to earth and you. That's what makes you special and that's what makes you, you, and you authentic, you know?

That's sweet. I also think that Taylor has a big part to do and not too. Because he's like, he doesn't even like when I get Botox. He's like, can we not? Okay, so funny story. Like, I always, like, not always, but for the most part, I'm glam. Like, if I'm going to go to dinner, I'm glam. It's a rare occasion where I'm not wearing makeup.

I'm going to share the story of what your husband said. And after we had moved here, we had... I was going to after if that's what you weren't doing. So yeah, keep going. Okay. So we have been here for a few months hanging out with the Tays several times. There was one night they asked us to go to sushi. And so I'm like, oh, let's go.

It's kind of last minute. I went worked out, showered, no makeup, slicked my hair back and just ran out the door. And then that night, Taylor was like told Tay, that's the first time I think I saw Jacqueline without makeup. She's so much prettier without makeup. Oh. And she was like, I wanted to share with you that that's what he told me when we left and got in the car.

He was like, wow, like I've never actually seen how pretty she is. And I was like, that is so sweet to hear that because like, of course Jordan says it. But like, yeah, girl. Like, I could be on my deathbed and Jordan would be like, bend over. You know, I'm like, you can't be trusted. But to hear him just say that, like, she looks so pretty without makeup. I was like, oh my God, like, maybe I should embrace because, like, I have. have a lot of insecurities. Like we all do. And I thought it was so sweet, especially Taylor being

like a guy from Hollywood. It's like he's seen everybody. Yeah. But like I think it's also just like a good reminder for all of us that like even though he's been in the room with all the most beautiful actresses, actors, singers and the entire world, like he still is just like so normally he can like look at a normal girl and just be like, look how pretty she's without makeup. And it's like damn, like the beauty standards are fake. Yeah. Do you like see what I'm getting at? Yeah. It's like you guys. We've seen like the most famous people out there. And like when you're standing in front of them, if you really wanted to analyze them,

you could because they're human. Like we're literally all human. Yeah. I have to remind myself too that when I see like I feel like the soft glam is in right now on carpets. And when I like want to do soft glam, I don't look like that. And I have to remind myself that there's like the access that celebrities have to like.

What they have access to people that do full beat and make it look. off glam. But even even just like the skin like the skin procedures, the this laser, the this. And let me tell you, if they're doing BB on the carpet, they are getting suited up months before for that moment. It is not like a willy-nilly. I just don't want to do it. It's like that is prepared, that is planned. When I moved here, I learned that just two years ago. At my est, I have, I do facials with two different people every once in a while. And they both have told me now like, oh yeah, there's a red carpet coming up, this is the plan. And I'm like, there's a plan.

There's a plan. But like, there's a plan. Like, they'll do microneedling every four weeks for three months prior. They do the lasers. PRP. Facial day before, all the things. And it's like they get prepared for three months before that carpet so that their skin looks as good as possible to do the like glam.

But we're not talking about that. Yeah. We're not talking about that. We're just like, oh, God, their skin's so glowy. And it's out of dude. How do I look like that? It's like, okay, well, they don't even look like that. They don't.

And then they'll be asked. Like, oh, what? some of your tips. Oh, I just stay super hydrated. Hydrated. Oh my bitch. Wait, what did it? Wasn't Lindsay? No, it wasn't. Was it Lindsay Lozrated? It was. I think it was something like, me and Mani were in the text, just pissing our pants.

She said something. Like, I think she drank a lot of lemon water or something. It was lemon water. No. You had a Twitter. I got a lot of dollars. Honey, give me the lemons. It's so good. It's so accurate. But I also think that like me and you, Laura, that's like part of our job.

It's like, be honest with people. I'm like, that's why I was honest about the GLP1. And it's like, that's why I document. I'm doing microneedaling. Anything that I will ever do, people will be like, oh, you're getting your lips touched up too often. Well, guess what, bitch? Everyone else is.

They're just not documented yet. Yeah. So it's like, I feel like- That's what pisses me off when people like get mad at you on the internet. I literally like, this last time people got mad at you, I don't ever comment literally about anything. And I was literally like about to make a video. It just like pisses me off.

Because if people actually knew. Hale would freeze over if she. if she sat down. I would be like, oh, someone's in trouble now. Oh, y'all got girl, Tay, on the, I would be sad. I'd be like, we're all in trouble. Everybody shut up. I just, I don't, like, I'm not, I'm so, I'm so chill and I'm so laid back, and I'm so

out of the loop on everything. And when the internet gets mad at you, I get so annoyed at the internet because they're literally wrong all the time. Jacqueline's a lovely human. I would have your friends with her if she wasn't. She's a lovely human. And the fact that she's actually sharing stuff, like when you shared the GLP1 thing, I was like, oh, dear God, I really, I'm really not looking forward to you having to deal with that. I knew too.

I was like, I was like, you're going to ruffle some feathers. I was like, okay. You're like, oh, God, what's the fuck are you doing? But that's what people are like, how, like, how could she do this? I'm like, well, the opposite is worse. Like, when influencers are posting what they eat in a day and they're on a GLP one, I know. I literally, like, that is so toxic. and is so horrible.

Like that just like really gets me. That breaks my heart for young girls. Like I have three nieces and, you know, some of them struggle with body image. Yeah. And I'm constantly reminding them of what is so not real. Yeah. And it goes so deep. Yeah.

It goes so deep. So like what's not real on the internet. Yeah. That scares me for just the future generation. I also think that when it comes to beauty standards that if you just turn off your damn phone, you'll realize that they really don't exist. Yeah. Oh my God.

the TikTok feed to look like mine honestly. There's only like four beauty people that pop up and two of them are sitting here. We made the organization videos probably some like I don't know Bridgerton video. It's not just like it's very curated. It's just very

punches on there. It's just there's no, there's nothing. You got to get to like you got to use social media and like a safe. Social media is people's highlight real by the way. It is the highlight. grill of their life. It is their best body angle. It is the best

shot of their abs that you can possibly get. It's the best lighting. It's all the best. And I hate to say this because like I hate using the term like I'm getting older. But I think that it's appropriate to say like I not even necessarily getting older with age but like I've been in this industry now

for like I think I'm around 15 years at this point. And I'm just kind of like tired of the bullshit. I'm just kind of tired of it because like my feed is just hot girls posing all day. And it's like, yeah, you're hot. 100%. I will like it. I'll comment fire emojis because like, I'm supportive. Like, yeah, bitch, you're fucking hot. But I'm also like, I don't want to be doing that anymore. I did it. I did. Like, I did it. Like, I bought all the jewelry. I showed off. I posed. I gave all the, and I'm like, I'm so over it. And I'm like, oh, God. You want

more now? Yeah. Yes, I do. And it's like, I think I'm trying to find my, like, where's my place on the internet? Where's my purpose? Where's my purpose? Oh, it's time to have a baby. It's the moms. It's the moms. Um, I. I did want to ask this question because I actually saw quite a few of them pop up, which I'm sure you probably got too, is navigating friendship breakups. No. I've dealt with quite a few. I don't know anything about that, actually.

Laura's like, who is she? I'm going to be my fans. As you get older, I do think friendship breakups are truly just inevitable because you're growing into who you are as a human. and life just happens. Your values change. Your morals change. The things that interest you change, your partner may change.

Like whatever it is. There's a lot of like factors. I feel like that go into that as you like actually become an adult. I feel like sometimes friendship breakups can be like a relationship breakup. Like they hurt. Like they're emotional. I have seen people shredded. I could be worse.

I have seen people shredded over friends. friendship breakups and like destroying their lives in a way of like a heartbreak. You know what I mean? So they're hard to get over. I was going to say, I've been cheated on by every guy except for Jordan and no one's ever hurt me the way my girlfriends have. Yeah. It's almost like, I hate to say this, but it's like it's almost like you expect to be hurt

by a man. Like at some point they're going to let you down. At some point they're going to hurt you. I hate to say that. But it's like that's like this little inkling that's there. But you never expected to come from like your best girlfriend. You never expect like your best friend, like your bitch to hurt you. And when that happens, it is like, it's like the rug has been pulled out.

It is so hard. I've gone through quite a few friendship breakups. But I also think that you just kind of get to the point where you're like, this was toxic. Like if someone is, if you're going to end up hurting one another so badly, it's toxic and it doesn't need to be there. Yeah. And I had so many girls in my DMs talking about friendship in general today. just like how to navigate friendships, how to keep friendships at this age, how to make friends we were talking about. Laura was like, yeah, people are asking how to make friends. And I'm like, I have no advice. I'm terrible making friends. I am. I'm so bad at making friends. I'm so awkward. Or maybe everyone else is awkward.

No. I'm like, no, silly, you're awkward enough. I was kidding. No. Because like, here's the thing with me is like, if I need you to open up and trauma dump on me within five minutes or we're not going to vibe. Yeah. Like that's where I'm at at friendship. Like it needs to be like, hi, I'm chocolate. And it's like, oh my God. That's why friendships are hard. I'm like, fuck off.

Like, I can't do this. You have to find people that will mesh with you. And that's what's hard about making friends. Because it's like, yes, people are available and free to link up and be friends. But like, if they're not your vibe, that's whenever it gets hard finding your vibe. It's hard. But I will say, so I was reading Mel Robbins book, Let Them. And she was saying a good way to make friends in adulthood.

because she was saying in college and school, you're like, it's made for friendship because you're in a community. You're socializing. Literally, that's all you do is socialize. And then you get branched off into the world and you're working with like 60 year old Carol and a 22 year old, you know. So it's like what it's going on. How do I make friends? And then you're busy. But it was saying join an activity and then compliment someone.

Because if you don't know how to get a conversation started, it's dry, it's hard, it's awkward. You're an adult. Just compliment someone. I like your bag. I like your necklace. and maybe a good conversation going. Maybe it won't, but either way, it's a positive experience. And it's just a good way to start a conversation.

Yeah. Yeah, that's so true. Complement someone. I even feel like I've found, like, friends through my friends, like, going, like, I mean, that's how I met both of you. Yeah. I was going to say, you've introduced me to now some of my friends. Yeah.

And I think that, I feel like it's cool because I feel like we have mutual friends that we met through mutual friends, and I feel like I've introduced my friends. my mutuals to my other friends because we host all the time and so all of our friends are together and it's cool to see there's bits and pieces of each friendship that gets along

so like after like our Christmas party one of my girlfriends is like oh yeah we're getting dinner with this couple and I was like oh my gosh I'd even know you guys connected like that makes total sense so like hanging out with if your friend invites you to go out somewhere

and you don't want to go because if you like your friend then odds are there might be people there that you also like you and Taylor are like the best match makers. They have introduced me and Jordan to so many people that we just absolutely love and adore at this point. Like you guys are so good at matchmaking friends. Yeah. You really are. Good people attract. Good people. So like if you find a good person, good values, like a good human being, chances are the group around

them is also good people. Yeah. Yeah. Good company. I feel like we did that with each other, right? It's like you brought in Johnny and Jazz, which are like they're a good friends. You brought it like Natasha and Bradley. And then I brought in Linda and Franz, you and Mani. Came from you. It's like now we're all hanging out together and enjoying each other's company. I think that's like the easiest way to do it as adults is finding friends that have friends and it's being open to like having open conversation and really getting to know them. It's easy.

Even like coming over and like watching football, it's easy just to kind of like close off. I like be on your phone. But you have to like make the conscious decision like when you're walking into the house like phones staying in my purse. And even if there's awkward silence, oh fucking well, I've been through worse. Like we're going to sit there and we're actually going to hang out. present with one another. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Also, friendship takes a little effort. It does. It takes a lot of effort. It's like, you know, if you're doing something, I want to be there for. I want to be there for.

Love you girl. Season of me. In January, she was like, sorry, girl, I'm in the season of me right now. I was like, I love that. We did not see anybody. Yeah. Like, I don't think I saw you, you, you, man. I didn't see anybody in January. Yeah. January is a reset month. I'm doing me. Because after the holidays. Yeah. Well, that's, I was going to say that's honestly the best thing that has come, I feel like from adulthood. I have some, like friends that I've known since like preschool that are like my lifelong friends that know me and I can literally go like months without talking to them and it just picks back up like we're family. But as I've made friends later on in life, it's like I feel like I can so much be myself around you guys. Like I can be like, no, I'm not feeling it today. Like I can be so honest and so real and I know that like you're not going to be offended by something that.

I say. Yeah. And I, that is like, that's like my favorite form of friendship is like just being able to be like honest and up front and like about stuff. Yeah. It's really healing. Yeah. And just yeah. It's maturity too. Yeah. It feels safe. I think that's probably like security too. Like we are all secure in ourselves and in our relationships like you know. I mean, yeah, it's just it's just comfortable. Yeah. And I love to like when we were away for. Taylor's birthday weekend. It was the six of us. And like we literally, I was cracking up because we literally had almost a three-hour dinner.

We did not stop talking. No one left with their phone. We go back to our hotel room. Literally talked. I had to go to bed. I was so tired. It was past my bedtime. I mean, I think you guys didn't leave me like 1 a.m.

Yeah, the last night, we were in your hotel room until 2.45 a.m. Love. Like finding friends that you could just talk. Like, just died, pissing our pants laughing. Like, oh my gosh. Like it's so. It's so fun. Like I obviously like I know I feel like my friendships are either like that or it's we're not saying a word and just like we want to hang out. But like we're mentally tired but we both like want to hang out. We're just going to like sit in the same room together. Yeah. Existing together. Yeah. But after that I was like this is like so fun. Yeah. Like friendship is so fun. It's a blessing to have friendship like that. It really is not easy to come by. There was a moment there in Tampa where a lot of my friendships I was really starting to acknowledge like oh my God like in therapy. I was like these are not good friendships. Like even if

the person necessarily wasn't a toxic person, our friendship was toxic. And I had several of those. You know, this is like when I was drinking so heavily, a lot of people in my life were enablers, a lot of people in my life wanted to party with me. A lot of people in my life loved that I had a lot of money and wanted a free ride and loved the designer bags that I bought them. You know what I mean? And it took me a while to realize that. And so I sat in this awkward place when I got sober where I didn't really have friends for a while. It was just family. Yeah. And I just kind of sat in that. And I was so grateful for Jordan just, again, us having so much fun together and like just being like such a best friend to me. Yeah.

And then when we moved here, I had Linda who's like, that's like my sister. That is your sister. And so I was like, okay, at least I've got like one really good person in California. Yeah. But then meeting you guys reconnecting. Because like me and you and Manny have always been friends, but not like now. Yeah. It's different now.

Yep. You're here. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard whenever you're across the country. It's different. And it's just been so amazing. It's been so amazing.

But also, I think this is something that comes with age is like, don't get it twisted to everyone listening. I've met quite a few people the last two years moving to L.A. Where I immediately am like, the signals go off. And I'm like, oh, I thought I would buy with this person. And I, in fact, do not. Yeah. Yeah. Friendship is supposed to be fun also.

Friendship is supposed to be fun. So I feel like in those instances, you, so the saying is top five people there in your life the most. You're supposed to name the number one characteristic about the top five. and then those five characteristics are you. Wow. Yeah. So think about that. Yeah, it's really good.

Like funny, smart, beautiful. That's amazing. You're like, it checks out. But you know, you don't want to get a stinker in there. But I'm just saying because friendship is supposed to be fun. So just like you were saying when red flags go off, I do think friendships kind of had to be trade like relationships too where it's like they got to go. You got to go. Oh, it's so true.

It's so hard. I mean, be there for your friends. Of course, through a hard time, but like constant negativity. You know, it's a competition relationship. You know,

it's toxic. Get new friends. Have you guys had to actually, like, break up with a friend before? Yeah. Like, actually, like, let them know.

Not, like, let it win out, like, whittle down, but, like, actually, like, break up with them. I've whittled down a lot. I have a habit of going to the, it's just easier. Sometimes the whittler down

instead of being, like, listen, this is it. Yeah, there was one person in, my life that I had to actually like have a conversation like we're no longer friends like I had to actually break up with a female friendship and it was I've only had to do that once too horrible. So horrible like worse than any breakup I've ever been through. Damn.

But it just got to a point where it's like mine wasn't hard for me because I found out she was talking a lot of crap about me to all of my friends. So that one was really easy. You're like you made it very easy. Yeah that would make it very simple. It also like she was saying stuff about Taylor too. So if, oh, yeah, no. If there's,

I'm like, yeah, I feel like I, people will get away with so much crap. Like, they can talk as much crap as they want about me. What could someone say about Taylor, first of all? Oh, she's like, there's a lot. We'll talk off camera. Okay, we'll talk about camera. Okay. Last question is, what's something you wish you would have known at 20 that you know now?

So much. I have one thing that comes to my mind. is that people are going to talk regardless. Like I really did not see that at 20. And I'm finally starting to accept that honestly this year. Is that like no matter what you do, people are going to have an opinion. They're going to, you cannot make everybody happy. And that's not just in regards to the internet.

That's in regards to everything. Like when I first started dating Jordan, there were people in my life that were not happy about that. And look at how happy I am eight years in, right? And now they're like, I can't believe. Like I still have people that are in my life. They're like, I can't believe I didn't support you and Jordan in the beginning. Right? But it's like if I would have listened to them, I wouldn't have like the greatest happiness in my life. So I think that if I could say anything to my 20 year old self and I really wish I could have like accepted it then, it would be like people are going to have an opinion no matter what you choose to do. So just truly as cheesy as it sounds, like do what makes you happy. We're all going to die. No one makes it out alive. Do it makes you happy. Also they say if every single person, they say it's me. But I'm the one that says this. But I say if every single person around you on social media, they all love you, there's no way you're living an authentic life. Absolutely not. There's no way.

If you are your genuine self, someone out there doesn't like you. And that is a good dinger. Now, obviously, you could be a red flag. But I'm just saying, like, you know, if tons of people don't like you. But if you have your group of haters online or a couple people in your life don't agree with you, don't like you, that means you're probably living a pretty genuine life. Because there's no way every single person you encounter can like you if you are authentically living your life. So that's amazing advice. There's people that I follow and I'm like obsessed with them.

love them, love their content, and they just get so much hate. Yeah. Oh yeah. Totally. I'm like, how can people not like her? Like I'm so confused by this, right? But it's like not everyone is for everyone. Not everyone is for everyone.

Mine probably would have been, um, one, only take advice from people they're doing what I want to do, but doing it better than me. Amen. Not from all these, you know, that would have been a big one for they would have like I would have went far with that one if I would have internalized that. Like when you think about like the, like the competition. that we used to deal with in the beauty community and like,

but like we didn't want to be like them. So that. It's so that. And beauty, I feel like what you're the. Yeah. That's like describes the beauty community. So stupid.

So stupid. And also just, um, whatever you're passionate for, just go all in. Go all in. Amen. Get your ass in the fucking game.

Which I did. But I just wish my little, I could just touch my shoulder and be like, hey, you're doing the right thing. Yeah. Don't worry about it. Just do it.

Just do it. Just do it. Because you know, you carry all this weight of like, am I doing the wrong thing? Oh my God. I'm going to do it anyways because I want to do it. But I'm scared and nervous. Like I would have just been like, do it. Yeah.

Confident. Just going and do it. That's good. That's good. I feel like mine would have been to like now is the time to take the risk. Like I feel like I look back and sometimes I'm like, oh, I wish I would have like done that because I am a very like safe person. Like I don't. I don't like, you know, jet seas.

jet skis scare me. Like I don't like I'm just like a very like safe. Yeah. Person and sometimes I wish I would have been like oh like maybe like maybe I should have like when I was dancing maybe I should have audition for that or maybe I could have gone and like done like there's a lot of like things that I sometimes wish I could have like done. Obviously I'm very happy with where I'm at in life. So that's fine. But I would have told I've told myself like now's the time with you you know, aren't married. You don't have a mortgage. You don't have kids. Like now's the time to actually go take those risk all your money and go.

Yep. Time goes fast. Yeah. It does. It does. You're like, the older you get, the faster goes too. So you really, I know. I feel like there's a name for it, but like I have like a fear of like that.

Like I can't think about getting older and time going by and like death. I can't talk about it. I know. It's like really scares me. I like love everything. Do you think when we get closer to the end we'll be at peace with it? Because we're middle age now. I was going to say something so dark, but I feel like this is just accurate.

It's like. I was thinking about this when I was watching the pit. Oh. I'm like, I feel like when it comes time to go, you're going to just be so miserable that you're going to be fuck it. It sings that way and they're like, please, please. Like, I just think that like, whatever you pass from, you just get to a point where

you're like, I'm done. So I'm hoping that that does happen because like, oh, God. See, I'm getting anxiety talking about this, the idea of not like having my family and my friends and, oh my God. It's scary. Yeah. What a great note to end this podcast. She's like, thanks, guys.

I try to let the end question of what would you tell yourself? I thought it was going to be inspirational. And it ended up being. Jacqueline's like, I have anxiety. I have to go. She's like, we're done. No, it's going to be great. It's a great reminder to live your life to the fullest.

That's for sure. It is. And that's exactly what you were saying. Yeah. Full life. Find the friendships that matter. Do all the things. Yeah.

Do all. Fuck up. Make mistakes. I know. Screw it all up. Fix it. start over 10 times. It's so true. Who cares. Seriously though. It is true.

It's a Tuesday. Go skydiving. Be a bad girl. Be a bad girl. One life. And like one day, like your hips start to hurt, then your knees, then this, then that. Next, you know, you can't do the things you used to do. Like, it happens so quickly. It's like just live now. Yep. Live. That's good.

I'm going to go sit on the couch and do nothing to the rest of the night. I love it. And that's living. Thank you ladies for coming and joining me on this fun episode. We need, we honestly just need to do this. this more. Yes. I'm so down. This is so easy. I love sitting and yapping with you guys. My favorite yappers. I think you're also my favorite yappers because I trust your advice. Oh, like I wouldn't people listening. Like I wouldn't have them here if I didn't want you to like hear what

they had to say. Like I trust your guys' advice and when I like need help. That's really, really sweet. That means a lot actually. Yeah. Thanks for asking us to come on. I'm literally, you tell me when I'll be here. I love these green chairs. I love these green chairs. You were supposed to do this on Monday and then my bitch ass woke up with a migraine. I was like, I cut that. I felt so bad. I felt so bad. I worked out better anyways this way. Okay, good. It's perfect. Yeah, good. I love it. Okay. We love you guys. Bye. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.