The Squeeze - Kenzie Ziegler: No Closure, Just Getting Older
Episode Date: November 1, 2023Singer, dancer, and former reality star Kenzie Ziegler joins the Lautners to discuss navigating success and pressure from an incredibly young age. She shares the toll that reality TV took on ...her childhood and how it caused her to lose her passion for dance. Kenzie explains how she couldn't differentiate between reality and what was manufactured for the show, and shares the advice she would offer a production team tackling a reality show centered around children. She attributes her mental health struggles to the show, and shares with your hosts when she first discovered she was suffering from anxiety. She opens up about her relationship with social media, which she has navigated since the age of eight, and how she has grown to become more private, allowing less of the negativity to affect her. She also talks about her song Anatomy, her family's reaction to the deeply personal song, who she played it for first, and how cathartic the recording process was. The Lautners had such a great time with Kenzie, and look forward to signing those adoption papers! You can adopt a 19-year-old, right?! Follow Kenzie @kenzie Thanks to our awesome sponsors for supporting this episode: Blissy — Get better sleep now with Blissy and use THESQUEEZE to get an additional 30% off at blissy.com/THESQUEEZE ReGain Couples Therapy — Give online therapy a try at regain.com/thesqueeze and get on your way to being your best self To email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to lautner.thesqueezepodcast@gmail.com. Be sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on Instagram, @thesqueeze and personally @taylautner and @taylorlautner + on TikTok @thesqueezepodcast To learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow @lemonsbytay on Instagram and visit lemonsbytay.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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other moms was like really crazy. I don't think I ever really like came to terms with how I felt
about the whole thing until I got out of it. I think I started going to therapy when I was 14
because I thought I was the only one dealing with this and I would disassociate a lot. All of the
cast members like we all kind of deal with that type of anxiety and mental health things and yeah,
it's all from the show. We loved dance so much but when you do it so much, it was definitely hard.
I lost my love for dance really early on.
When life gives you lemons, what do you do with them?
Over here at The Squeeze, we talk about it.
Hello, everyone, welcome back to another episode of The Squeeze.
Wood Wood!
I'm Taylor.
I'm also Taylor.
And this is Remy.
Thank you for joining us.
Yes, happy Wednesday.
Happy Wednesday.
How are we all doing?
Yeah, maybe we take a moment to just like breathe in and out.
Rem, it's okay.
Remy did not take a moment to breathe in and out.
No, Rem, you need to breathe in.
Slowly. Hold four seconds. Hold four seconds. Four seconds. Four seconds out. Yeah.
She's not listening. Well, I hope you are. Yes. I felt like that made me feel a little better. Um, we have a fun episode today.
Yes, we do. Miss Kenzie herself, Kenzie Ziegler. I'm very excited about this episode. She's like our adopted daughter. I feel like I love her.
Yeah, she was great. I, I know this is going to shock all of you, but I do. I do. I,
I did grow up watching dance moms.
So I was a big fan of the show.
So I was pretty excited for this chat and get to finally meet Kenzie and did not disappoint.
I will tell you that.
Yeah, it was really cool.
We got to talk with her just about, like, being on a reality show at such a young age.
She started at six.
Like, it's just, it's crazy what she kind of, like, had to go through at such a young age.
You know, she's been in this industry for quite some time.
But just kind of like the effects that it had on her childhood and what danced it had on our childhood.
But she also opened up with us about her anxiety and panic attacks, which was so awesome that she felt so like vulnerable and open enough to talk about that with us.
And we also dove into her new song called Anatomy.
Oh, yeah.
But if you've not listened to it, go do yourself in favor and listen to it.
it because the lyrics to the song are insane.
Yeah, but you better be ready to be in your feels.
Yeah, in your feels.
In the episode, we talk about what she wrote it about.
And yeah, it's just, it's such a good song.
Yeah, she's very talented.
I loved it.
But yeah, hope you enjoy the episode as much as we enjoy talking to Kenzie.
And we'll see on the other side.
Yeah.
All right.
Tootles.
Kenzie, thank you so much for being here.
with us today on the squeeze. We're so excited to have you. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.
Before we get going, I just want to just get it out because I just feel like I got to get it off my
chest. I, you know, I have been watching you on TV since I was like a child myself.
No way. Thank you. I remember. Same here. I didn't plan on telling the story. But I don't even know
what you're about to say right now. I thought you're just going to enjoy the game. No, sometimes I just
just pull things out of my sleeve.
I remember being at an award show.
Oof.
I think it was, I think it was MTV Movie Awards.
Did you ever go to those back in the day?
I don't think so.
I went to a lot of like kids, choice awards, teen choice awards.
Teen choice awards.
It was teen choice awards.
Yes.
Surfboards.
Yes.
That we have wrapped up and bubble wrap in our garage right now.
Yeah.
And finding out, like, I saw that you and your sister were there.
And I was big fans of yours.
And I, like, asked somebody.
I was like, can I, you know, please meet them?
And I asked somebody to make it happen.
It didn't happen.
Oh, my gosh.
You know, dreams do come true.
Well, that's very sweet.
My sister and I have always been a big fan of yours as well.
So that's a really cool moment.
I love this for you, hon.
Warm and fuzzy.
I mean, that was probably like actually two.
thousand oh like 10 11 12 yeah so definitely like over 10 years ago for sure so crazy okay you weren't a kid then
but uh yeah okay i was a young adult i was gonna let you have it but all right anyway we start
to each episode with a segment called citrus got real and in this beautiful glass jar full of lemons
and questions we have some random questions and if you don't mind could you pull one for us
Absolutely.
And they are, you'll see.
Wow.
Oh, no, what is it?
This is a deep one.
Oh, really, they're not.
I mean, it's not that deep.
What do you define as success?
Oh, unless you love that one.
I mean, that's typically not our citrus.
Well, then I'll pick another one.
But I guess, like, I would say, like, happiness is like, for me.
I love that.
I will pick another one.
It's usually like hot dog or hamburger.
Got it.
And you got what you define a success.
Good start.
I guess.
Your dream career versus your actual career.
Okay.
That's a, that's a full one.
I honestly, I just moved into, like, my first house, and I have been, like, so into interior
design.
Yeah.
So I feel like I'd be an interior designer.
Oh, my gosh.
Like, what is, like, the, is there, like, a style?
I feel like, so hard to, like, define a style of your home right now, but it's, I'm very
eclectic.
Like, I love going to vintage stores and, like, getting decorations that are, like, too
dollars and it just looks so cool.
Yeah.
Like I just love eclectic things.
I love that.
Yeah.
I want to do more like vintage and thrift shopping.
Yeah.
It's a fun time.
I see our friends like post about it.
Yeah.
It just looks so fun.
Do you have a fur that you would want?
I've always said that, you know, I, yeah, I'd be an NFL player.
I, yeah.
I grew up playing a lot of sports, but.
football is one that I biasedly think that I was pretty good at.
So, yeah.
Or even if I could go back in time and just, like, play one college football game.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
That's a good one in Michigan.
That would have been fun for you.
Yeah.
I don't know what mine would be.
I thought you might say the same thing as her.
Yeah, I am enjoying that.
You've been doing a lot of that recently.
Yeah.
We're building a house and I'm literally, like, doing everything from, like, hardware and materials,
plumbing.
It's a dream.
It is fun. It is, it's kind of a lot because it's crunch time, but yeah, I'm sure it's stressful. Yeah. It's cool because we get to like, like really make it our own like down to like the paint the countertops of how high the backslash goes, like all that stuff. What would mine be? I mean, this is, I mean, it's kind of in the same fieldish. I mean, I guess it's kind of hard because like my career like was nursing and now I'm doing this. But I would say like editing like a film editor. I love.
love editing stuff, but I don't edit our podcast, but I love editing. So that would maybe be mine.
I've always said that. That's a cool one. That's so fun. Yeah, I guess it would be mine.
Here we go. An interior designer and film editor and a professional football player.
I was trying to think of something cool that we could all do together, but then yours kind of throws it off.
Sorry. That's okay. Let's hop into this. So I just want to say before we start, I think, you know, people that are in your position hold
such a unique, not stance, but the way you're able and the way you do, you know, how you're
honest, you know, about your mental health and what you're going through is so unique because
I feel like for your generation and the younger generation too, watching you and seeing, you know,
you being open and honest about this stuff, you know, going to therapy or whatever it may be
helps to just break down the stigma that's behind mental health even more. So we're just so happy,
you know, to have you here.
And just want to applaud you for doing that because, you know, it's not easy.
Thank you.
And it can definitely be scary.
So, yeah, we're just, we're just really excited about it.
Yeah.
It's huge, huge for this next generation to see people like yourself talking about it like that.
Yeah.
For sure.
I think it's more of an open conversation nowadays than it was when I was younger.
So yeah.
Yeah.
I love that.
So obviously, we wanted to start when you were a kid being on a reality show.
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homeschooled for the rest of the time. So I never really got to experience like real life school,
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And all of my friends are my dance friends. So it was definitely a really interesting way to grow up.
But I mean, it definitely, it helped me a lot, you know, grow up in a way because I feel like if I was
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Because you were so young and because, like,
you were dancing on this show.
And, like, so I danced my entire life group,
like competing, everything.
I did that.
And dance was such a way for me to express myself.
It was my, like, even still to this day,
I'll, like, lock myself in a room and I'll just, like, move.
Because that's, like, how I process things.
Was dance able to be that for you?
Honestly, not really.
Okay.
It was when I, when I first started, but now, you know, when it was broadcast all over television and it was, it was really scary for me to dance because, yeah, it was on TV.
And then I had a dance teacher that was, like, really scary.
And, you know, people in the dance world are very, like, scary as well.
I feel like everyone's just competing against each other, even at, like, such a young age.
So, yeah, it was definitely hard.
And I think it definitely, I lost my love for dance really early on.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
I feel like, actually, I was going to say I never dance, but I did.
I was on a hip-hop team.
Okay.
Yeah, we traveled and performed at malls and movie theaters every now on them.
That's awesome.
No, I love this.
He can't count music.
He can't count an A count to actually.
save his life. Like he gets half a sweat. I'm like, okay, just put a number on there. Right. But that's not
what they used me for. Everybody would be doing the cool dancing. And then I was the guy that would just
run across in the middle of the performance and do a flip. And then they're like, okay, now you stay
over there until we like call your name again. That was usually me too. When I was like, when I was like seven or eight,
I would do a backflip and then like die in the dance. Like that was just my part. Yeah. So same old.
I got you, girl.
You get me.
This is something I'm so curious about.
At that young of an age, were you able to differentiate like what was actually reality and what was manufactured for the show?
Because I imagine for somebody that young, that would be pretty tough.
Like, is this real?
Do they mean that?
Or is this, you know?
We watch clips and like there's people screaming, but then like you and the other kids are actually crying.
You can't be like, okay, seven year old cry.
Like how was that?
I mean, your question, but we watched it like play out.
Being that young differentiating what is real and what is, you know, need for a storyline.
I totally did not understand anything that was going on and being so young, seeing my mom like fight with other moms was like really crazy.
Yeah, I don't think I ever really, like, came to terms with how I felt about the whole thing until I got out of it.
Because you're kind of just in this bubble.
And you're, it's just, you're from six to 12.
Like, that's just your whole life.
Yeah.
Like the main parts of your life where you remember a lot of things.
So, yeah, I don't, I don't think I really even thought about it when I was on the show.
Like, oh, this is what's real and what's fake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
I mean, how could you, like, trying to, like, explain that to?
Yeah.
A kid too.
So segue.
Bizarre question.
If you were, this is me being a fan, this is I'm literally just fan girling right now, if you were a consultant to a production team on a reality show with children, what advice or what would you, you know, tell that production team to implement onto that show.
you know, for the crew and production that maybe you wish would have been implemented, like, onto your show.
Wow. That's a crazy question. I honestly think a lot of, we were really close with a lot of the production and the crew and every, yeah, because, you know, they were with us for a really long time.
But I think they forgot that we were children a lot, you know, because we grew up so quick. But there were some times where it was like, okay, this is a little too much.
Like this is competing every single week, learning a dance in three days, but also like going from dance class to like eight in the morning to then we'd have regular dance class after we would film.
So it was like we just be, we were exhausted.
You had dance class on top of filming?
Yeah, we would start.
We would.
So when we did school, we would go to, we had school for three hours, home school.
And then we would go to dance class film.
And then right after that was regular dance class too.
10 at night.
Wow.
And I think that's where it was like, we loved dance so much, but when you do it so much.
Yeah.
Burnout.
And when you do it for so many hours, it was like, guys, we need a break.
Yeah.
And I think they understood that in the later seasons.
But I think, yeah, just remembering that kids are kids are kids.
Yeah.
And kids are allowed to feel tired.
And kids are allowed to feel some type of way.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Dane, that's so true.
I actually, when you were talking, I do realize that I think I look, obviously, dance is different.
I did it differently, you know, than you kind of had to. But I went to college for dance and I ended up dropping out of like having dance be my major after one semester because it was like, it was that I was overworked and I started like having to dance like for a grade. I was like, I don't want to do like tondos and like it scored on this. Like I don't want to be graded on dance. And I was being.
so overworked and I was like I need to like leave this before I don't like it anymore.
Yeah, exactly.
But obviously, you know, I was an adult and was able to actually like process that and make that decision.
Totally.
But I was going to say something that you, I feel like that I'm thankful for that you had, you know, filming as a kid was you were, they still like did games and like, I feel like you still had a childhood even though you filmed.
Yeah.
Even though it was like on a set or during one.
or whatever.
Yeah.
Did have usually always had good people around us that kept it fun and playing games with the kids.
Yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
We did as well just because there were so many young girls on the team.
And we were actually, like one of my best friends was like a lighting guy on the show.
Like, and he would play with me all the time.
Like it was we were all just like we would have to travel for so long.
And we would have, we would honestly have the best time.
It was just when the cameras were up.
It was just like a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But we had our fun moments, of course.
Yeah, for sure.
Was mental health a thing then?
Like, because I'm just like thinking back on like all of you kids and like being where you are now.
Like was that even like ever thought about or talked about?
No.
I was known as the crybaby on the show because I would just break down anytime I was stressed or anxious.
Yeah.
And I found out after the show, I was like, oh, I'm actually, I have the worst anxiety.
And I like, never, no one ever really talked about it with us.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it was not a thing.
I was just, that led me into my next question is when, like, I know you've talked about, you know, anxiety, your panic attacks.
That did that first start on the show?
Absolutely, yeah.
But I didn't know what it was.
Right.
When did you, when were you like, I'm actually dealing with something here.
It's not just like something weird that I'm feeling.
I think when I got off the show, when I was around, I mean, I left the show when I was 12,
but I think I started going to therapy when I was 14 because I thought I was the only one
dealing with this and I would, I would disassociate a lot.
Yeah, I just would be in the car and I would just be like, I am so out of it.
Like, I don't know what's going on.
And then I got told that I had anxiety and I was like, wow, everything makes sense.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, dang.
This might be impossible to say because you were so young, so maybe you just don't know.
But do you think that your anxiety stemmed from being on the show in that, you know, young of age and everything?
Or do you think it would have been a part of your life no matter what route, you know, your young childhood would have looked like?
I think it did stem from the show.
Okay.
Absolutely.
just being so stressed all the time that I wasn't good enough or I had to be better than my sister was like the main topic of the show.
And, you know, if I, if I messed up, that was like the end of the world.
So I really think a lot of, even like all of the cast members, like we all kind of deal with that type of anxiety and mental health things.
And yeah, it's all from the show.
Yeah.
You and your sister are so close.
And, you know, that I remember that that was such a big thing, like, a part of, I mean, you're all put against each other, but, like, putting, like, you guys against each other. How have you, like, not, I mean, I don't know if it has affected your relationship, but is it something you guys, like, talked about or is it like, you just, you know, it wasn't, like, it was dumb and you just forgot about it. Like, how did, how was that, like, not affected you guys? Well, when we were on the show, we hated each other.
Oh, really? Because we were, we were with each other 24-7.
So it was like, we're constantly being put up against each other.
Yeah.
And we also have to like go sleep in the same apartment.
Like it was not fun.
Yeah.
But I think the second Maddie moved out when she was 18, we just became best friends.
Yeah.
Because it was no longer a competition.
It was like, oh, we can actually just enjoy our time together.
I love that.
Yeah.
Speaking of comparison, social media is dangerous and scary, you know, dealing with hate.
in negativity in comparison as an adult.
I can't imagine.
I also joined social media very late to the game.
I can't imagine growing up and having to deal with that, you know, as a kid.
How was that for you, the social media side?
And were there any, like, boundaries that you had to set or what, you know, any tips or
tricks that helped because I just I can't imagine dealing with more comparison, more hate.
Yeah.
You know, on top of real life. But now, you know, in the social media era.
Yeah. I mean, I think now Instagram, you have to be like 13 to be on it. But beforehand, you
weren't. So I was on Instagram when I was eight years old.
Holy crap. And our, since our show was so big at the time, like we all, our Instagrams grew
very, very quickly.
And we had a lot of fun times.
We would talk to our fans constantly
and it was like really lighthearted and fun.
But I think once I grew up
and I was off the show,
I was still being watched
and I was still growing up
and figuring out who I was.
So like a lot of things would like
get leaked of me when I was younger
or like, you know,
it would be like the end of the world.
Kenzie's doing this and this and this.
And I was like, you,
I feel like every teenager goes through this,
but mine is just on.
the internet so it was kind of it was very very hard for me i i deleted my instagram like a lot of
times because i just couldn't handle it but i think now i am so used to it because i've just
been on it for so long that it doesn't really affect me anymore um just because most of the
time they're just like people yeah that want something to do they're just bored and yeah they don't
actually mean it yeah you do you do become somewhat numb to it absolutely
Of course, there's things that'll rub you the wrong way, but you definitely get to a point where you just realize that somebody's having a bad day.
Yeah.
Of course.
Yeah.
I mean, and good for you for like just deleting the app because like, you know, I feel like a lot of people need to do that and they don't like have the willpower to do that.
So good for you for wanting to do that.
Do you have stuff like boundaries kind of that you've set now or are you just like I'm kind of like.
in a healthy spot with that.
Yeah.
I think now I'm more private.
When I was younger, I would say everything just about my life.
And just I would go on Instagram Live and just rant about a bunch of things.
But I think now, like I'm keeping my friendships more private.
I'm keeping my relationship more private.
Just I just want to have like a piece of me, you know, just to myself.
Yeah.
I love that.
I relate to that.
That's awesome.
I want to talk about your new song.
Congrats.
Anatomy is out.
Thank you.
I'm genuinely actually saying this.
I'm not just saying this because we're on a podcast.
When I listened to it, I was like, I got like tears in my eyes.
Like I was like, oh, the lyrics are like, they're so good.
Thank you.
I was literally like, well.
She was very excited to show me.
That's so sweet.
I was like, you have to read the lyrics.
Yeah.
She's like listen to it.
She's like, listen to it while you read the lyrics.
I'm like, okay, okay, chill.
And then I was like, okay, got it.
I understand why you're saying that.
Yeah.
That's really good.
Thank you so much.
So congrats on that.
But where, obviously, I know what the song is about, but what made you like want to write that?
Like, where did the idea come from?
Yeah.
So you guys know it's about me growing up without my father present.
And the same kind of thing like the show.
I never really came to terms with it.
When I was younger, I would make jokes about it and just be like,
I have daddy issues.
Like it's normal.
But I think the second I turned 18,
I was like, wow, this actually really affects me in a lot of ways.
And I was finally comfortable talking about it with people.
And so I just decided to write a song.
But the reason I decided to write the song was because my therapist was talking to me about it.
And she was like, you should write a letter to your dad.
Oh.
And.
Oh, wow.
and not obviously not send it to him.
Yeah.
And I was just like, I don't really like writing letters.
Yeah.
Like I don't think I'm going to do that.
So I just ended up writing a song and sending it to her and be like, okay, here's my letter to my dad.
And she was like, wait, this is actually like really amazing.
And I played it for a lot of people and everyone was like, this is going to help a lot of people.
Like you should do it.
Yeah.
So I did it.
Oh my gosh.
What do you, I mean, you don't need to answer this, but do you have a relationship like with like what?
Like what was it growing up and is there one now?
Well, my parents got divorced when I was four.
Okay.
So I don't really remember time before that, obviously.
Um, but it was tricky because we were in L.A.
and he was in Pittsburgh.
So we never really got to see him.
And then it got to a point where it was just like, he's not present.
So there's no point.
Yeah.
Um, I think now after hearing the song, he's definitely trying.
Um,
But yeah, we've always just had a weird dynamic.
But it's, but I'm honestly like okay now.
I feel even just releasing the song and seeing like everyone's reactions and also people saying I am in the same boat.
I feel the same way.
Yeah.
I feel like I'm just like at peace now.
So yeah.
What's the best thing I could have ever done?
Yeah.
Wow.
I'm happy for you.
Thank you.
That's amazing.
For you put it out where you like, am I really like going to do?
this right now? Like, were you scared? Terrified? Yeah. Because I have to explain it to my family members as
well. Yeah. Well, I was going to ask like, who, like, did you play for like your sister or your mom first? And like,
what were their reactions to it? I played it for my sister first. I was really nervous to play it for
my mom obviously. Because like, my mom is like the most sweet. I feel like she would feel responsible.
Yeah. Which it's not her fault at all. But my, yeah, my sister, I sent it to her just, I just texted it to her with
no context. And she facetimed me like she could not speak. She was like weeping. And then
and then she was like, okay, I need to go. And like getting teary. I'm like imagining this like
out in my head right now. Because you know, like she went through it too. Yeah. So I bet like that like something
such like a bond between the two of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's basically our song. Yeah. And what was
your mom's reaction to it? Oh my gosh. I, she was driving me around. And I. And I,
sometimes just like put on a song of mine just to be like,
here you go, like let's listen to it.
And I put it on for her and she was a wreck.
She was a wreck.
But she was like, this is the most beautiful song I've ever heard you do.
And she supports me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's awesome.
It really is just so raw and vulnerable and beautiful.
Thank you.
Yeah.
A few of like the lyrics in the song.
Like you talk about like dating shitty people because of like,
like how your mom is treated.
The lyric about like your nose,
that one, I literally, my jaw dropped.
Like writing about it and now looking back was,
did you have like those moments where you were like,
I am like, I'm dating crappy people.
Maybe that like is a direct correlate.
Like how did, I mean, not that like coming to that,
I mean, I feel like people who are in their like 40s
don't even figure that out like that pattern.
And you're 19.
Like that's so, that's so crazy that you're like able
like you're able to do that. But what was that moment like where you're like, oh, my dating is
kind of reflection here? Well, like I said, I never really talked about it. So that writing session I
had was like the first time I fully talked about everything and like came to terms with everything.
Like so much was just coming up. And I also think I I write with these two girls that are very
close to me and so it just felt natural.
But we were all like sobbing.
It was like the best moment.
I'm getting teary eyed listening to the song.
I can't imagine what it was like you guys writing it in a room.
Yeah, it was interesting.
But yeah, a lot of things were coming up that I didn't even, I was like, oh, that makes
so much sense.
Like I date horrible people because of that, you know?
I was going to say that writing room is like probably better than any therapy you could get.
Absolutely.
Yes.
That's probably.
You should still go to therapy, everyone
If you're in, absolutely,
I'd still give a chance.
But I was just imagining that writing room
with your two friends
and just like diving into that
and writing that song.
Like, like, I'm sure that was just incredible weight,
you know, lifting.
Processing time and.
Yeah.
Of course, like, therapy is amazing.
But having, like, your two close friends
just, like, understand you
was just like a big moment for me.
Yeah.
That's great.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Everybody go listen to the song because it's phenomenal.
Yeah.
And I think, I mean, we touched on it, but it's definitely going to help.
Like a lot of people.
It's just, it's so relatable.
Like, even though I, you know, even though my parents have, you know, are so married, like,
it's relatable.
And like, it just helps people know you on a certain level, but also helps people, you know,
cope and maybe we'll work through their own thing.
Like, if Kenzie can do it, like, I can do it too or something.
And that's, I feel like we forget that sometimes that, you know, because we're just living our lives.
But I feel like I'm like, why would people like look up to me in that regard or look to me for stuff?
But I know, it's important for us like in, you know, with these platforms that we have to do it, to do good with it.
And that's exactly what you're doing with this song.
So thank you.
Congrats on that.
It's called anatomy.
Yes.
Anatomy.
Go listen.
And read the lyrics as you're listening.
And read them, yes.
Or watch the music video that.
Oh, yeah.
Yes.
Thank you.
Yes.
Yes.
That's very good.
Well, thanks for joining us today.
This is so fun.
It was so fun.
I'm ready to like adopt you now.
Yay.
I know.
I'll bring the papers.
Where's the papers?
Sign on the dotted line.
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