The Squeeze - Kylie Kelce: The Realities of Motherhood

Episode Date: October 7, 2026

In this week's episode, Tay sits down with podcast host of Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce, media personality, and mom-of-4 Kylie Kelce! Kylie opens up about the similarities and differences across her four pregnancies, including food aversions, cravings, and morning sickness, and gets candid about how her postpartum experience has looked completely different each time. She talks about handling negative comments on social media, particularly around body image, and shares the boundaries she sets with posting her kids online and how she and her family work hard to give their children as normal a childhood as possible. Kylie gets into the boundaries they've had to put in place as their lives have become more public, how she handles people asking overly personal questions, and the unique adjustment of being connected to fame without feeling famous herself. She also shares what mental health looks like for her, how she supports herself, and the mom guilt she's navigated along the way. Kylie then talks about her passion for women's sports advocacy, what it means to her to still be coaching women's field hockey, and why she believes so strongly in letting kids try all different sports to find what truly sticks.Be sure to follow Kylie on https://instagram.com/kykelce/!Check out Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce here: https://youtube.com/@nglwithkylieTo email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to [e-mail] sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on all of our socials:The SqueezeInstagram: https://instagram.com/thesqueeze/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@thesqueezepodcastTay LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylautner/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@mrstaylautnerAmazon Storefront https://urlgeni.us/amazon/FDXj7 To learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow https://instagram.com/lemonsbytay/ and visit https://lemonsbytay.comEpisode Sponsors:Get $80 off your first month with promo code SPACE80 at Talkspace.comGo to ButcherBox.com/squeeze to get $20 off your first box, plus ground beef AND bacon in every box for life —with free shipping always.The Squeeze listeners get 20% off their first service. Visit facefoundrie.com and use code SQUEEZE at checkout.Go to tonal.com, and use promo code SQUEEZE for $200 off your purchase. Go to OSEAMalibu.com and get 10% off your first order with code squeeze.Limited Time Offer – Make healthy eating simple. Get Huel today with my exclusive offer of 15% OFF online with my code SQUEEZE at huel.com/SQUEEZE. New Customers Only. Thank you to Huel for partnering and supporting our show!Find Primal Kitchen dressings, sauces, and condiments at your local grocery store or on Primalkitchen.com. Primal Kitchen - made for real food.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. My biggest fear is throwing up. So I have been lucky enough to avoid it throughout pregnancies. It's debilitating at times. My husband's afraid of sharks. I'm like, that makes so much more sense. A shark could kill you. I'm over here like, I can't throw up.

It's horrible. I'm literally the same. I haven't dove into it in therapy yet, but we'll see. Don't dive into it. Then you have to do exposure. Oh, God. Okay, never mind. Never mind.

That just made me really sweaty thinking about it. Those are the types of things that I'm like, no, don't tell anyone. I just don't want to mess them up. Yes. We want our kids to grow up to be contributing members to society. We want them to be kind and funny and considerate individuals. There's all these things where you're just like, oh, my God, I really hope we don't mess them up. It's kind of stressful.

You're like, good luck. Our kids are growing up in a world where all of this just lives forever. our kids are going to be able to go online and search this stuff and see a full archive of all of the things that they were involved in, that they were discussed on. What a weird world to grow up in. Two things can be true at the same time. You can be unbelievably grateful for being able to get pregnant and at the same time not like the experience of being pregnant. It's not as easy to get pregnant as we once thought. Not everybody has the same journey. I have a lot of empathy for people who have not had an easy path. And at the same time, I still feel it's important to say that I don't like pregnancy out loud. Lemon drops, I am going to need you to buckle up for this one because I am so excited for this episode. Today we have Kylie Kelsey on The Squeeze. I have been waiting for this day, as you guys know. I quote her all the time. I think she is just truly such a boss, mom, wife. I love how she is just no BS, says it how it is. And I've gotten some really good marriage.

relationship and now going into parenthood advice from her podcast. So I was really excited to finally get to sit down with her and basically just ask her all of the questions that I've been dying to ask her. Of course, we talk all things pregnancy and postpartum and how each of those experiences with her four kids was similar and different. She talks about handling negative comments on social media, particularly around body image, shares the boundaries she's set with posting your kids online and how she and her family work hard to give their children as normal of a childhood as possible. She gets honest about the boundaries that they've had to put in place as their lives become more public. We talk about how she handles people asking overly personal questions and the unique adjustment of being connected to fame without feeling famous herself.

She shares about her mental health, what support looks like for her and the mom guilt that she's navigated along the way. We of course talked about women's sports and the advocacy that she does around it. And lemon drops, I'm truly just so excited for you to hear this episode. We truly manifested this one. Kylie is actually one of the coolest, chillest people I've ever met, and we had the best time. Well, Kylie, welcome to the squeeze. Thank you for having me. This is so fun.

I'm so excited because I feel like I've relied a lot on the stuff that you have shared on your podcast and publicly just about motherhood, marriage. So this is really fun for me to like basically just ask you all of the questions that I need to be asking people. But I did talk with my husband before this and he said that it was only right that I did confess something to you. Perfect. I was born a Cowboys fan.

I am no longer a Cowboys fan. So I just had to be reformed. I have been reformed. I have been saved. I mean, well now I mean, my husband's from Michigan. So he's a lion's fan. So it's like it's still. That's easy.

Yeah. No, no, no. I accept that. Okay. Great. I, so bad. I have told people multiple times that I feel strongly that as long as you are not a Cowboys fan, we're fine. Yeah.

And in most cases, a lot of people have truth serum and will admit to my husband when they're a Giants fan, when they're a commander's fan, because it's within the same conference. and so but I always say the same thing. Everybody has their flaws and at least we can agree the Cowboys suck. Yeah, that's how we learn and grow. My dad is still a Cowboys fan, but. Everybody has their flaws. Everyone has like, he's going to watch this episode and be like, really? No, I had to get that off my chest before we started.

We appreciate that. We start each episode with this jar. It's a little game called Citrus Got Real. I want to pull a piece of paper out of there. Yes, I do. I was curious about this. Is it strategically placed? No, I just, they look strategically placed because they're thin and then they fall down.

I haven't thought of a better invention. Can I dig? You are more than happy allowed to. Yeah, no. Let's see what she says. Oh, no. What's the most embarrassing song you know every word to? Oh, no.

Peaches and cream? I don't even know if I know who the artist is. I don't know if it's embarrassing or just surprising, but I would think that would be the one that people would be like, why do you know every word to that? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if embarrassing.

I mean, probably like. What's an embarrassing? Is it like the Cotton Eye Joe? Like depending on the audience, I would say like some like Disney Channel like. Oh, that's a good point. Some like, I don't know. Like a kid at rock.

Yeah. Yeah. High school musical, something. thing like along that vibe would probably be mine. Okay. But with the right people, that's not embarrassing. That's like... Well, that's the same with Peaches and Cream.

I feel like Peaches and Cream is just people would be like, why do you know the words? Yeah. Or like, I know the words to it and then I play it in the car and someone with me is like, what song is this? I've never heard this. I'm like, you need to come down. Yeah. What are you listening to?

I love that. Awesome. Okay. I'm glad I dug. Let's... I'm very happy that you did that. Okay. I want to start off with some pregnancy questions.

I feel like it's only right with what is going on in my body at this moment. My personal awareness space is like literally, I'm running into walls. I hit things. I literally like don't even. You know that's like part of pregnancy? Is that a constant? You're always like that? No, I'm not ever like that.

Oh, you don't have spatial awareness. No, sorry. Oh, typically you do have spatial awareness. I got you. That is a pregnancy thing. Like your depth perception. It's messed up. Yeah.

I've basically learned. So blame it on that. Everything is, everything in pregnancy is a symptom. Correct. And I don't. Isn't that terrible? Yeah. What happens?

I'll tell you what happens afterwards. You're like, no, I think it's a, oh, wait, I can't blame that anymore. Yeah. No. Okay. pregnancy, though. I want to know, you have four girls. Yes.

Throughout your pregnancies, were they similar? Were they different symptoms? thumbs, just all of that. Yes. I had some things about my pregnancies that were extremely similar. I had nausea with all of them all the way through my pregnancies. But then some were different. I had different preferences and food. I don't even know if I can say cravings because I was always a food aversions person. That's been me. Terrible. I haven't like really like sometimes I'll be like, oh, this sounds good and I want to eat it, but I haven't been like... I must have this. Yes.

When I see people who have cravings, like on social media, someone will be talking about how their brain just said, like, I need this. And I was like, I want to play that game. Like, I want to be a part of that. And it was never me. It was always aversions. Have you cried about it yet? Have you cried about food aversions yet? Oh, yeah. Well, I, yes. And then I also cried because, you know, like, you're not supposed to deli me, but I'm fairly far along in my thing. And I'm in my pregnancy. And I was like, I'm going to eat a turkey sandwich because I'm actually like really craving

it. I cried eating it. And my husband, yes. This was the happy tears. And my husband, I literally texted my girlfriends and I was like, I'm literally crying eating a turkey sandwich. And which right now, my husband was like, are you okay? I was like, don't talk to me.

I just need to like be with this sandwich right now. Yeah. So there's been happy tears, but yeah, there has been. Because I always reached a point in all of my pregnancies. where I would cry out of frustration. Yeah. Like it was a very sad cry of like, I just want to eat something that tastes good.

Yes. So that was, aversions was across all four. Yeah, I had one, it's funny because now they all sort of blend together. I had one pregnancy where I had, it was basically every two weeks in the end of my second trimester, into my third trimester,

where I would have a new symptom. And it would be strong for two weeks. Yeah. And then it would be gone. And then I'd get a new one. So I had sciatic nerve pain for two weeks. Then it was gone. Then I had swelling in my ankles and it was gone.

Now that you're saying that, I actually feel like that may have been some of the things that I've, that I've, like, the short span. I mean, the swelling in my feet has been here for quite some time. Yeah. So I don't think she's gone anywhere. I would love it if she did. But no, because, yeah, I was having really bad sciatic pain for a short period of time. Then that kind of went away. Yes.

Wow. And it was, it was, I mean, I was probably, it was probably like two or three months. So I had a slew of symptoms. Yeah. At one point I had red dots on both of my wrists. I couldn't tell you why. Two weeks, one away. It was the weirdest thing. It was, I don't know what it was. I don't know if it was just like the progression of my body or what, but it was pretty crazy. And it was probably eight symptoms. Yeah. Probably eight symptoms. Were you throwing up with all of your pregnancies or? I, knock on wood. My biggest fear is throwing up. So I... You're about...

You go and then I'm going. I have been lucky enough to avoid it throughout pregnancies. It is... It's debilitating at times. Like I will go into full, like, ruminating thoughts, all of it about it, which is so silly. Like people will tell my husband's afraid of sharks. I'm like that makes so much more sense. Yeah. It really does. My rational brain, I'm like, yes. That makes sense. A shark could kill you. I'm over here like, I can't throw up. Like it's, it's horrible. I'm literally the same. I'm like,

I think, I think it's, I was trying to figure out why I don't like throwing up and I think there's some trauma because I threw up on my desk in like second grade. And I'm like, maybe that was it. I haven't dove into it in therapy yet, but we'll see. But no, that's when I don't type into it. Then you have to do exposure. Oh, God. Okay, never mind. Never mind.

Just put it off for a little longer. That just made me really sweaty thinking about it. Those are the types of things that like I, I'm like, no, don't tell anyone. Oh, my gosh. I like don't talk. He doesn't listen to the podcast. Perfect. It's fine.

He won't know. He won't know. How kind. Yeah. I know. He won't know. That's great. No, but that was me because I was, I mean, I was so nauseous in my first trimester.

So I would eat food every time I was not just, but I was having food aversions at the same time. So it was just like pasta, toast, watermelon, like grilled cheese. That was all I was eating. Yep. And I was like, I mean, I gained like 15, 20 pounds so fast because that was all I was eating. And it was like a weird, it was like a, I was like, I'm not happy about like, like, I didn't think I would gain that much weight that fast, obviously. And but then I was like, but I haven't thrown up yet. So.

And now I'm like 50 plus. into this pregnancy. I'm like, you know what? I still haven't thrown up. So a win's a win. Yeah, I'll just figure out something after this baby comes out. But yeah, I'm like, I cried a couple times because I was like, I wish I could throw up, but I can't. Yeah. I like just when I was like feeling so gross. Well, you feel like you're going to. Yeah. It's like that lump in the back of your throat. And it's the worst part is it's called morning sickness. Mine was always in the afternoon. Yeah. I would eat something as soon as I woke up in the morning and that seemed to like hold it off for a little bit. But it was a thought in my brain for the longest time. And then one of the things that got me was going into labor. A lot of people get sick in labor.

The good news is, and I don't know your birth plan, mine was to be at a hospital with the option of medical intervention. In all of my deliveries, there was a moment where I could feel like sort of like that wave of like your face gets a little hot. And I was like, I need Zofran quickly. And then within two minutes, I'm like, yes, there it is. It's so good. But like calms my nerves about being nauseous. Yep. In the hospital.

I feels good. Postpartum. How did those differ for you? They were quite. the range. Okay. I, and I never want to be like the doom and gloom person,

especially to a pregnant person. So I apologize. Honestly, this entire podcast, I've done like two solo episodes and I'm just shitting on it. But I'm like, it's,

I think it's important to because my girlfriends and I talk about how all we really see on the internet and I think it's starting to change is like the, I love my body. I'm glowing, all this stuff, women empowerment, which I love.

And I'm all for, And whenever I see a pregnant woman, I'm like, oh, my gosh, she's glowing. But I have not once had that thought about myself. Yes. And this has not really been anything of what I was expecting because I had no clue. Yes. So that's why I'm like, someone needs to do it. So I'll just do it, I guess.

A thousand percent. I think that the, what's currently pushed is this positive, sensationalized. It's supposed to be this beautiful transition in your life. I took our first baby home. And for the first six weeks, I looked at her and was like, but like you're mine? And like now, now I, like, we're cool. Are we cool? Are we cool?

Yeah. She would cry from like 7 p.m. until 2 a.m. Unless she was on my boob or sleeping on my chest. She didn't like when you sat down, we had a lie of disagreements, her and I early on. And at eight weeks, she started smiling consistently. And it was a moment of like, oh, I'm a relief to you. Like, we're cool. Yeah.

So that was a stark transition. I know looking back now that that was baby blues. I really felt like I was in the trenches for the first like six to eight weeks of just sort of figuring out who I was as a mom feeling that. feeling that and recognizing that it wasn't butterflies and rainbows and this magical moment that everybody has. My second, she, I felt like the best that I felt in postpartum. I was like, this feels good. She was sleeping, which I think is a complete game changer.

Our first was not allowing that. And I swear lack of sleep is one of the worst forms of torture. Yeah. You like can't form a thought. You forget everything. And with our second, I was like, oh, I'm sleeping a little more consistently. This feels bad. I feel like I know what I'm doing.

Yeah. And I think the babies smell fear. So I think our second was like, oh, you've done this before. Yeah. Our third was sleeping. And I felt like for probably four to six months afterwards that I was in the trenches. And I couldn't figure out, it was a bunch of stuff. It was, it was like sad, just overall feeling like sad and not sad like, not sad.

Like, well, I'm upset about this. I'm upset about that. Just this like dark cloud. And looking back, I know that it was postpartum depression. And I was distracted enough by my children to sort of trudge on. Not that I necessarily think that that was the thing to do. but I also had like very anxious thoughts. I would be walking down the steps with her and be like,

what if I trip and fall? How do I fall to protect your head? How do I fall and not have it like really? And those are the things where like, I'm not the only person thinking that. And as soon as I said it out loud to other people, they were like, oh my gosh, you should have seen me when I walked across my top floor

and there was a railing next to me. I'm like, what if I just, whatever? And it's not that you want to. It's that your brain is like planning for what happens if that happens, which is crazy. Yeah. I'm not going to, like, I'm walking up three steps with shoes on. Yeah. I have traction. Like, yeah. My rational brain was like, you're being really silly right now. And I was like, what happens if she's, she spits up in her sleep and then, and then I'm like, not in there and I can't hear her. Yeah. Oh, wild. But it's things

that like, you know better. Yeah. In your rational thought. Yeah. But, that was our third was rough. And then our fourth, I felt like it was another wave of like, I've done this before. I can do this. Um, so every single postpartum has been different and unique. How old is your youngest now? One. Okay. She's 17 months, I think. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that feeling of sadness like you were saying, um, that's something I feel like I was experiencing for in, in, in, during my second trimester, I didn't really have it in the first and I don't really have it now. But I never really, I'm like an anxious girlie before pregnancy and I like feel like I have anxiety attacks and panic attacks. And I haven't had any this pregnancy.

But I have had this feeling of sadness and I haven't been able to pinpoint it. And when I was telling my husband, I was like, I'm not, I don't want to jump scare you. I'm not suicidal. But like I don't know, like I have no will to live. It like I don't understand like I don't know what this feeling is. I've never felt this before. And it, you know, luckily just kind of went away after like a month or two. But I had never felt that feeling before. So you saying it and like trying to describe it. I'm like you don't even need to like I know. Like I know what. Yes. What that feels like. I don't know if it's like dread or. Yeah. It's like impeding doom. I don't know what like clinically what that's called. But I don't know like what how do you like properly explain. It's funny too because I felt it while I was pregnant with my third. And but it was short, it felt like shorter waves. Yeah.

And also while I was pregnant with my third, I remember being more tired. Like I had waves of tiredness that I could like exhaustion. And it wasn't that I was tired. Yeah. It was just that any surface I sat on, I was like, just like a slow fade into it like a knot off. Yeah. that was frustrating for me because I had two little kids running around. But then again, it was like part of the difficult thing about pregnancy and postpartum and your

experience and all of that is that realistically, statistically speaking, this two shall pass. But when you're in it, you're like, when the hell are we going to be done riding this wave? Yeah. It sucks. Yeah. I say it all the time. I'm so grateful to have been able to get pregnant. Yeah.

God, I did not enjoy it. Not even a little bit. And like, I think more people need to say it out loud because they think it's so, you're doing, you're literally making a life. You're creating life. Your body is building another human being. And it's okay that you're not like, I'm beautiful. And like, I was a pig on a roast. I was sweating.

I was, I told people all the time, they'd be like, you're glowing. and I'd be like, that's sweat. Although whatever people tell me I'm glowing, I'm like, it's because I've gained 50 pounds. So my face is full. Thank you. I know. Like, you don't need to remind me. Yeah.

Yeah. But it is funny because you said, like you look at other pregnant people and you're like, oh my gosh, they're glowing. They're so beautiful. It's always like the thoughts you sit with yourself. Yeah. That really just, because your body is currently inhabited by somebody else, you have no control. It's not like you could control what you were eating.

in your first trimester and then be like, oh, you know what? I'm going to work out harder and lock myself back in. You're not losing weight while you're pregnant. If you are, we're going to need to talk to your OB. We need to notify your doctor. There's a plan here. Yeah. I had just told my husband up the other day. I was like, next pregnancy, I do want to try to be more active in my first trimester because I literally did nothing. And he was like, you couldn't do anything. Why are you even saying that you literally could not move. And I was like, oh, yeah, I guess you're right. Like, thank you for being my voice of reason, I guess. I'm like already hard on myself and this baby hasn't come out. But it's so true. Like, I think about all the time, like, there's a full,

there's a human in here. Like, she can come out and she's like fine. Yes. So it's just, it's just crazy. But I was nervous to talk about me not liking pregnancy. But I really felt like I needed to. And I don't even think I got like any backlash for it. It was just so much support and so many women feeling the same thing, but not feeling like they could say it. Well, the shame of it is, is two things can be true at the same time. Yeah. You can be grateful, unbelievably grateful for being able to get pregnant.

And at the same time, not like the experience of being pregnant. I have so many friends who in my adult life, I've realized, like, it's not as easy to get pregnant as we once thought. Yeah. And there's interventions for a reason because not everybody has the same journey. And I have a lot of empathy for people who have not had an easy path. And at the same time, I still feel it's important to say that I don't like pregnancy out loud. Yeah.

No, it's been, it's been special for me because my girlfriend, Amy, she had two pregnancy losses before this pregnancy. And I feel like she's validated me a lot, too, with like my feelings and saying this because she's, made me feel like I can say that. Like she doesn't make me feel less than or like I can't say it. She's like, oh, in the corner over there. But no,

it's really, it's been, it's been cool to have someone so close to me. Now we're going through this together. Like, validate my feeling like, no, I'm like totally okay to say that.

And she is totally fine with me saying that because she's almost due to her due date. And she also agrees with how I'm feeling right now. So it's been, it's been really special to like get to have someone close to me to like, walk through that with and validate that I'm feeling that way. Something you posted recently, which is something that that's pregnant. We call ourselves the Bump Club. There's three of us.

That's just what we've, that's just our group chat name. We've been talking a lot about people commenting on women's bodies and a lot of the comments we've been getting as pregnant women, but also just women in general. This is something that you talked about recently and I love when you like get on your soapbox and like go to town on people. It's one of my favorite things. Why do you think people feel the need to comment those things? And also like what goes through your brain when you read comments like that about yourself?

When people comment it, I don't, I honestly, I don't think too much about it because I think to myself, I don't know what led you to feel the need to say that. I know that everyone has heard the phrase, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. And also, I think there is just an anonymity to commenting things on social media, even if your profile takes, like, clicking on your handle takes you back to a profile that's an actual person. I still think that people have this detached sense of security to be able to post things online and comment on things in a, quite frankly, disrespectful way because they think that that's their right in having a social media profile. Yeah. And I don't know. I don't give, I don't put a lot of weight in it because at the end of the day, it's, it's very grounding to click that person's profile and to just have a

moment of like, cool. Thanks for that. Yeah. Appreciate it. Someone at some, someone recently posted, someone recently commented and said, if she has a trainer, she should fire them. And I was like, jokes on you. I'll have a trainer. Jokes on you? I barely work out. But it's, it's things like that where I'm like, you. Do you really not work out?

Not right. Thank you. Not consistently enough to say that I work out. Yeah. Um, when I start sleeping more consistent, I'm gonna do it. Yeah, I'm gonna do it one day. It's over for you, bitch. Yeah. It is over. I'm kidding. Uh, I'm not gonna do that. I, um, no, I, yeah, I don't, it bothers me that people feel bold enough to comment specifically on women's bodies. because, like I said, you're literally creating a life. Yeah.

Your body is doing what it was intended to do. And someone who doesn't know you, they don't know what you've gone through, they don't know what your path has been, they want to have input and they want to share their thoughts and feelings. Thoughts and feelings they probably should have kept to themselves. But it is, it's sad to me. Because at the end of the day, I don't read comments often. And so it doesn't really impact me.

And also I sleep really soundly at night knowing that like if you don't know me, I actually don't mind that you have an opinion on me. Yeah. But I'm not going to let it hold weight in my life. Yeah. I worry about the people who don't live their life like that. I worry about the people who, um, who get comments or get, uh, DMs that sit with them for a long time or that they think about later on. I worry about the young girls who are subject to other young women making comments about them or being mean to them because when I was growing up, it was whispered through the grapevine and it wasn't posted on social media for everyone to see.

Yeah. It's hard. It's so, it's hard to wear that. But at the same time, they don't know you. They don't know what you've gone through. I just, I feel really sad for the people who feel the need to do that. Yeah. And at the same time, fuck them.

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How how do you approach that? Because that's something that I feel like I'm trying to figure out because there's obviously a degree to which being in the public eye your kids will be seen. Like I'm not naive to the fact that I'm not going to be able to like hide my children. Yes. Forever. So then part of me is like, do I just post them? And then the other part of me is like, like, I basically, I don't know.

There's a lot of thoughts going on in there. So what, what is your like experience been with that or even like advice? So the shame of it is is that when we had our first, I was not necessarily in the public eye. Like obviously I was married to my husband and, and he had a large following just because of football. but we I didn't have like a bunch of people a bunch of random people following my account. So I still very much used my Instagram specifically to post life updates to use social media exactly how anyone would use social media. As life has gone on and things have changed, I post infrequent. overall, and I post even less frequently, our children, it got to a point where I didn't want to

exclude them entirely from, I made it a point to stop putting their faces on my social media. I will say I, and I'm so sorry for the people who do this, I don't quite understand like the posting photos of their faces and like putting an emoji on top of it. There might come a day where I do that. But I, I don't, you're laughing. We have thoughts. That's why I'm laughing. We just had a conversation about it.

A good one or a bad one. We agree. Okay. Yeah. I just find it super confusing when people post pictures of their kids and put emojis over top because it's almost as if to be like, there's a face under here and it's... I almost feel like it just draws more attention to it.

A thousand percent. So part of the... No shade. No shit. Honestly, I am firmly in the camp of whatever makes you happy. Yeah. Whatever you want to do. For sure. Whatever you feel comfortable with.

It doesn't bother me. Yeah. So do your thing. I don't necessarily think I would ever do that. We ran into sort of like a gray area because my husband had a documentary made about retiring from football. And our kids were included in that because part of the decision making was surrounded by the impact it had on our family. So they were included in that. And that was really the turning point for me to understand that

people can't, people can't draw a line for themselves. And I think that sometimes you have to very clearly draw it for them. Yeah. At this point, occasionally our kids will pop into like a podcast. Yeah. They'll just like pop up. We won't use it for social clips. Yeah. We, a lot of times it just gets cut out entirely. And then any deal that we've done has not included our kids. Our kids have never been included in any brand deal, any sponsorship. Our kids never will be. The only time they've been included in any content was like few and far between.

And it's never been a situation where we've like asked them to perform or like ask them to do something specific. And I feel really strongly about going forward just for their safety to not include them in anything. Yeah. People have people online have opinions about it. People online take issue with the fact that I discuss my kids' lives, which I think is kind of crazy, let alone show their faces on anything.

there was actually a radio show that put out a clip and they tagged me multiple times recently maybe in the last like two months and they were like she exploits her kids and I'm like my kids aren't my kids aren't in anything so and they were like she's they're plastered all over her social media and I'm like are they and I went back on my Instagram and I'm scrolling and I'm like the last time I posted was when I gave birth to our last time I was it was when I gave birth to our last time tagging you it was it was one. wild and then they were like, come on and disprove us. And I'm like, I'm good. Thank you. But yeah, I mean, I'm still trying to navigate it. Yeah. I overall want to ensure my kid's

safety. And that's always going to be the top priority. But part of the issue is, is like, people are going to see them. What are you going to do? Like, mask them, like, put them, like, leave them in the house. Yeah. I know that like it'll give me. I know I'll be anxious about someone photographing them and then that photo coming out, not on my terms. Yes. Because our wedding photos, someone photographed like us having our first look and that came out the next day.

And that was the first time. I'm a normal, like I come from like a very, I'm a normal, like I come from a very normal background. Was not in industry at all. And, you know, meeting my husband was the first introduction into that. And so, you know, I've experienced paparazzi with him and that kind of stuff, but nothing, like, that intimate or personal. And it really, like, just made me feel so uneasy. Not even that these wedding, like, I didn't get to post my wedding dress first.

It was just, I felt just like, so intrusive. And I didn't know. It was the first time I ever experienced that. And so when I was pregnant, like in the beginning, I was so scared someone was going to find out. And of course, he comes to, like, all of my. OB appointments with me. And I'm like, someone's going to see him walk in this office. Like, they're going to put two and two together.

And so I was stressed out about that. So I already know that that's going to be something I'm like hiding like my child. And like I don't want to have to do that. So I think it's just trying to find that middle ground of like doing it on my term and ensuring their state like finding what that middle ground looks like. Because I think when you starve. The media, it almost makes them thirst for it more. Yeah. It's kind of wild.

Like if you just leave like a, okay, you can have a little bit of something. Like even if it's just like for a birth announcement, even if it's just like, oh, this is me holding my baby. Even if you can't necessarily see the baby, but just being like, hey, this is my baby. They were born this day and this is their name. The end. And then it's like, oh, we don't need to see pictures of the baby. Like the baby was born. that's so exciting.

Yeah. You'd think that like that might say like yeah. I don't know. It's really hard. Yeah. And the hard part is also I always think about because I have a lot of like running thoughts of like our kids are growing up in a world where all of this just lives forever. It's not like something happens and you talk about it and the story lives on through word of mouth. our kids are going to be able to go online and search this stuff and see a full archive of

all of the things that they were involved in, that they were discussed on. And so I try to have some intention, like be intentional about the fact that they are going to have access to that. Yeah. What a weird world to grow up in. Yeah. No, I don't know how. I don't think there's a right answer, to be fair.

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what I'm gathering. And I think that because I'm trying to ask people that are in similar situations, have kids in similar situations that, you know, my child and future children are going to be put in because that's just where God chose to put them. So, yeah, it's definitely something that I think about and I get nervous about. But my husband is very much like, it's okay. Like, I mean, granted he's been in it for a very, very long time. so he is thinks he stresses about it less than I do um but I do want to ask you about the sense of

like normalcy um because I know that's something that you and Jason are both like big on keeping in your home and that's something that my husband I talk about all the time is like because I did grow up so normal um and honestly outside of like before because he filmed he filmed twilight when he was 15 and before that he had only done like one or two movies but his parents raised him like very normal. We both have lived very normal lives and I don't want, I want my kids to experience normal life. And I mean, we're still day to day. We're still very normal.

So I feel like we are off to a good start with that. But how have you guys intentionally like made that decision to make sure that the girls experience normalcy and everyday life? That's another thing where like every single day I think to myself like how can we tackle this. Some of the things that my husband and I planned for have not been things that we've been able to put into play. So like we really wanted our kids to go to public school. And for safety purposes, that's not our current plan. We both grew up going to public school. being involved in our community in that way. And I love that. I love it. My grandmother worked in

the public school system. My mom worked in the public school system. My sister and I both worked in the public school system. We, we have a strong connection to that. And that's something that we are not currently able to do. Yeah. There's little things that we're very intentional about who's in our house, the number of people that are in our house, who helps and what they help with. I don't ever want our kids to think that there's always someone around that we'll do for them. I also, I go so far as to think about a car that I would lease now. Do I buy it out so that when it's time for them to drive, that they're, like when it's time for them to drive, that they're driving what would then be like an older car.

Yeah. Because I don't, is Craigslist still a thing? That's how my parents got our first car. Yeah. But it's things like that where like I don't, obviously, again, always considering safety, but like it's things like that where like that's an easy way to keep your kid humble. Like have them right up to school. Hopefully the car starts in the morning.

Yeah. But like that's that's the kind of thing where like I I didn't grow up with the opportunity to get a new car when I turned 16. And Jason and I have no intentions of making that possible for our kids. So it's it's things like that where like you're trying to plan into the future, you're trying to be intentional about who like what's happening now. Yeah. I don't know. we, I'm big on having family help. Yeah. Um, we have a nanny. She's with us weekdays only. Um, and other than that, we have family. Like my nieces will come over and, and babysit my mom and dad are

around. Um, so I, I just, I don't know. I, I, I just don't want to mess a mom. Yes. I don't want to mess them up. Yes. I don't want to mess them up. I want to raise. I mean, my husband and I have had a lot. I have of conversations about this. Funny enough, before we were even married, we had these conversations of feeling aligned in that we want our kids to grow up to be contributing members to society. We want them to be kind and funny and considerate individuals and humble. There's all these things where you're just like, oh my God, I really hope we don't mess them up. Yeah.

It's kind of stressful. You're like, good luck. Yeah. No, yeah, no, I mean, I, yeah, I think about that still, like, all the time of like. But then part of me is like, am I going to want them? Like, you know, when the time comes to, like, go to college. Because I went to, I went to, like, actual, like, a university. I was a dance major.

And then I switched to nursing and I ended up going to community college and I did it there. I've always, like, been like, like, community college is, like, the way to go. Because I don't have any student debt. Like, it's great. But then I'm like, well, I've my. I'm like, well, what if they can, like, go to a great school? Because, like, also, like, you know, we didn't have the money to, like, afford for me to actually, like, go to a good school. But, like, you know, now I'm blessed and I can provide that for my kids one day.

So I'm like, then that thought comes in. And I'm like, well, am I? Where do you been? Yeah. That you would think that, like, oh, no, I'm going to convince them to do this. And then you're like, no, but if they have the opportunity, it's hard. Yeah. It's really hard.

I went to community college for three years, so I'm a big proponent of community college. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's like we, like, maybe they have like, they can either like go to college and pay that tuition or they can go to community college and that money that we would spend. They could save and they could use that towards like a home and apart. Yeah. Just thinking out loud as I. No, these are literally thoughts that I have when I'm like laying in bed.

Like, well, what's going to happen with that? And my husband's like, why are you thinking about, like, have the child first, dude. He's like, calm down. I'm like, I can't get out first. Yeah. No. I have to be prepared. Yeah.

It's going to be here before I know it. We have to be prepared for every possible thing. We're going to blink and they're going to be there. As everyone has told me during this pregnancy, it's going to blink and the baby's going to be off to college. The don't blink people. I'm like, guys, I know. I'm like, I'm aware.

This is already gone by fast. Well, do you have the sensation of like, how am I old enough to be pregnant and for it not to be like, oh, wasn't intentional? Yeah. No, I frequently am like, we're about to be parents. Yes. Like, we will never not be parents. Yes. Forever now.

So. That's where I'm like, when people do like the don't blink while you're pregnant or when your baby's little. I'm like, guys, I still am trying to get over the fact that I'm old enough to have a child. I have four. Okay. Like, I understand time flies because I still think I'm 24 years old. Okay. So it is a little, you're going to enjoy parts of it and you will remember them fondly.

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Something that I crack up every time you, like, every time you're put in a funny situation in an interview. Because someone's asking you a nosy question, I love your answers to them. Like it literally just makes me giggle all the time. I'm like, babe, look what she said. Like it just, just because I think there's a, you just know. Yeah. Like, you just know going through it. And it's really fun for me to, I enjoy watching you answer people.

I would tell you what, especially in motherhood, I feel like boundaries are so important. Yeah. They're important for yourself. they're important for your mental health, they're important for your kids. And I have always been good about setting boundaries, but in motherhood, I'm like, no, that's not, we're not doing that. Yeah. And I think you just, like, I don't know if it's mother's intuition or what, but you just sort

to get really comfy in like setting up a boundary and being like, that's the boundary. Yeah. You don't like it. I have words for you. I have words for you. I have words. But it makes it really easy to be like, yeah, I'm not going to talk about that. Yeah.

I know I wanted to know, like, how the change has been for you. Because obviously, like, over the past couple years, there's been a lot more people asking you a lot of questions. How that change has been for you because I know that you don't consider yourself like a famous person or like you're married to the famous person. Yeah. How that adjustment has been for you now, like over the past couple years, especially being a mom and with kids and having to set those boundaries. It's been surprisingly easy. Yeah.

It has been, it's easy for me because a lot of times when I'm asked intrusive questions, they're not my answers to get. So it's easy for me to be like, I don't need to give you that answer. That's not a question for me. Yeah. The other part of it is, is I really value family relationships.

I really value my friendships that are now like family. And I feel really, I feel responsible for not only protecting those relationships. But even before Taylor and Trave were together, they, I mean, people were intrusive about my husband. Yeah. And people would ask questions and it was, it was a little too much. And so I already had learned some degree of like, I don't need to give you an answer.

Yeah. But it made it made the relationships that I had, the ones that were personal, even more important and even more precious to me. So what happens behind closed doors, like my friendships with my college friends, my friendships with friends that I made after college, my friends that I now call family. Like I have nieces that are not my blood nieces. I call them my nieces because I love them and they're my family now. Yeah. when you get into those like one-to-one relationships, you realize how precious they are and how much you value like the privacy of it. Yeah. And I have people in my life that do the same for me that like don't exploit our relationship, don't talk about our friendship or a relationship. They don't share my secrets that I share with them. And so obviously I'm going to give like that

same respect to the other people in my life. So I, I love. them dearly and as much as I don't necessarily need like the the sort of flare that came with that. Yeah. I feel really, I feel it's really, really important to never be the person that crosses the line because I know how much I value that when people give me that respect. So out of like love and respect for them, it will, it will not be me. Yeah. You're like, it will be me. Nope.

No, that's good. I love that. It's so special and it's fun for like me. I get a kick out of it watching you. Dodger answer questions. It just makes me giggle. Because it's true. I mean, it is just crazy the lens that comes with it.

And I, you know, I've obviously experienced some of it with my husband and some of it with Taylor, just being around her for like a small period of time. And like it is like so it stresses me out, I think, just because of like the normal background. And I'm like, like, this is a lot. I always say that I like don't because we a majority of our friends aren't famous. And I always say that I don't want famous friends. And then I say that and I'm like, well, that doesn't mean that I'm not going to be friends with someone because they are in the spotlight. But there is just a level because of what I've grown up with and not having that.

it's a lot for me. And I'm like, I'm not going to be the, it's not going to be me. It's not going to be me out of anyone. It's not going to be me. Okay, I want to get a little bit into mental health. What does mental health look like for you? How do you take care of yourself? Because you're a busy woman and you're a mom and you got a lot going on. Yeah. I, mental health for me is, it's, journey. I feel really strongly that I'm always trying to do work for myself. I'm always trying to work on myself. I try my best to prioritize things that positively impact my mental health. I try to prioritize sleep. I try to prioritize exercise when I get around to it because those are things that I know positively impact me. I also think that the fact that I am an open book, and discuss my thoughts and feelings openly. I joke around that when I start my car, it calls my mom. It's like the weirdest phenomenon.

But my mom is like my sounding board. And there's a lot of times where I call her and I'll say like, am I being crazy? Like, am I overthinking this? Yeah. So you're pretty good at like talking about. And I think that that is so important. Yeah. I think that like any way that you can say it out loud.

Yeah. And specifically to a trusted person, whether it's a therapist, whether it's your mom, whether it's your sister, whether it's your best friend. I think as long as you can put it out into the universe and not let it live with its full weight on you. Yeah. That it's important. And I also just think like sometimes you say something out loud and then you have a moment of clarity of like, you know what? That didn't sound as egregious when it came out of my mouth. I say it all the time.

I have to voice it because it festered. It's this huge scary monster in my head. And I say it, I'm like, oh, actually, it's not that bad. Yes. It's not that bad. Yep. And I mean, I have had, I mean, when I was in, I literally looked this up the other day. In college, I don't know if you've ever heard of active minds.

It's like an organization that, like, tries to reduce the stigma on mental health. Okay. And in college, for my senior project, I made a web page highlighting active minds, highlighting the fact that college campuses need to be discussing mental health more frequently because the average age that people who end up with a mental health diagnosis are diagnosed is right around 24, which is just after college. So while you're a captive audience, you should be learning about what could impact you in life. Yeah. I've always felt really strongly about saying things out loud because they came from a family that was just like, just say it. Just talk about it. It's fine. And so I don't ever want people to feel like they should suffer in it alone. I had panic attacks when I was in high school. I think it had a lot to do with I was getting a diagnosis of ADHD. I had racing thoughts. I had anxiety because of that. And I was, I was getting a diagnosis of ADHD.

I had racing thoughts. I had anxiety because of that. And I have found ways as an adult to cope with those things. And again, like finding those positive impacts to my mental health are really, it's night and day. Like when I have quiet time to myself, I am a better mom and I feel better about myself. But yeah, I've gone through my own. own mental health struggles. And so I feel really fortunate to have found things that work for me. And I really want people to feel empowered to advocate for themselves to also find the things

that work for them, no matter what that is, whether it's regular therapy, whether it is like more minor coping strategies, whether it's medication, like whatever it is. I hope that people find that because they think that we all deserve a little peace. And it's such like a silent struggle. Like people, when people don't talk about it, you're alone. Yeah. And when I truly believe that feeling alone is one of the worst feelings in the world. So when you feel isolated and alone, it's like you're drowning and nobody knows. Yeah. So yeah, I have found that just talking, no matter who it's to, as long as it's a trusted individual, is an incredible step in the right direction. Yeah, I love that. I wanted to ask you about mom guilt because on this note of, one, being a mom and taking time for yourself, mental health-wise, but also career-wise and being busy.

I feel like we're now in this era of women really like supporting and lifting up women that want that have small children and want to work and have careers and that hasn't been a thing. Has mom guilt been something that you've struggled with at all? Yes. Okay. Every time I step foot out of the house. I always joke around that my ADHD helps because I can disassociate. associate and move on. Yeah.

Super convenient. Yeah. It's great. It's a good healthy coping mechanism. She's so supportive. I do. I have mom go every time I step out of the house. And at the same time, I have the thoughts of how amazing it is that my kids get to see that

both of their parents are driven and they're both working and that we have the opportunity to do that and the privilege to do that. I want our kids to see a we have four daughters. I want them to see a woman who is willing to go out and work and grind and have meetings during the day. And I want them to see, although it's time technically away from them, I want them to know that like mom and dad are going to work because mom and dad want a really great life for you. Yeah. I and not that any other family structure is right or wrong, but that's how we feel in our house and that's what we want our kids to see. And I also think I think I'm a better mom when I get time away from my kids. And I and I don't mean it in that I

want to be away from my kids because as soon as I leave, I'm like looking up videos and pictures and doing like the, it's so silly because you're like, I, need a break and then you get out of the house, you're like, look, you know, how cute they were. I miss them. But absence makes the heart grow fonder. When you go out and you do things, not with your kids and you come back, you get to tell them about what you did and they get to tell you about what they did while you were gone. And it helps to have trusted people with your kids.

Yeah. When I leave them with my husband or I leave them with my mom or I leave them with our nanny, or my nieces, I know I can have the peace of mind to know that they are in the best hands. Yeah. So that helps. Yeah. But I also know that that's not the case for everybody. And I think we all, I think we all have it to some degree.

But I think that if you want to work as a mom or if you need to work as a mom, that, and I hate to boil it down to something so simple, but like, you're a woman and you can. Yeah. Like, we can do anything. And I know that sounds so, like, cliche, but like. We really can. We can. Yeah.

Like, we're built for this. Like, we're built to get through this. We're built to overcome these hurdles. And I just hope that everyone finds the strength to feel like they can do that. Yeah. But yeah, the mom guilt's so real. And it doesn't go away. Yeah.

I just disassociate and silence. Yeah. We just compartmentalize in our brains. No, I think that was something that before I got pregnant, I was nervous about because my timeline, I'm 29 now. And I was like 30 is when I'm like going to actively. Like that was my limit of I can do like my career or whatever I want to figure out myself before. and then 30, I'm like, okay, now I need to like start trying. That was just always the number for me. But I have always thought about this mom guilt thing, like, I think it's just like the stigma that's around like your life ends when you have kids and that kind of thing. And I didn't know how I felt with that. But since being pregnant, I forgot like how I was raised. Like both my parents had full time jobs the entire time I was growing up and all through high school to this day. Like I was a daycare kid. I went to.

to daycare after school every single day. Like, I have to remind myself that that's actually what I was, what I was in. So, and especially since, like, when I found out I was having a girl, I felt like just so excited to, because I'm, I'm a busy body. I love, like, this work career that has fallen in my lap. And it's, like, something that I'm so passionate about. And, like, over, I don't even know, I don't even know if I announced my pregnancy or I just, I didn't, we hadn't announced the gender yet, but I do a lot of work with rain.

I don't know if you know who they are. They're like the largest anti-sexual assault. I do a lot of work with them. And I got to go to D.C. and like do a whole capital day and like talk to like, you know, the senators and different house reps just about different, you know, bills that need to be passed that have to do with kids and just sexual violence in general. And I was like, how freaking cool is this going to be that? little girl's going to get to like she technically was like with me like when I was doing this so I've had a lot of like really cool moments of just like I'm like actually really excited to have her

and like continue to work because I want her to grow up thinking that she can do you know whatever she wants yes to do and have a positive impact the way you are yeah that that's an example that you're setting and whether it's a boy or girl like that's that's something that like you're showing them is a priority in your life, which then will spill into them, right? Like the acts of service that you're doing, the fact that it's not necessarily about your own kids, that it's about impacting as many kids as possible and making sure that kids are safe. And those are the types of things that, like, no matter what, you are setting, like, an

incredible example for your kids. Sweet. Because, again, this lives forever. So even if there's a time where you decide. like, you know what, I do want to do some time off with my kids or they'll always be able to like look up the archive of your life. Yeah. And be able to see the impact that you've left. Yeah. It's incredible. Speaking of raising girls, something that you talk a lot about and advocate for is women's

sports, which I love. And again, your eclipse make me laugh because I was, we've gotten this season, we've gotten really into the WMBA. So much so I come home and like Taylor literally has the TV on like he's obsessed with page and Azee like he follows He like wouldn't follow them on social media. I was like honey just he was like he was like getting all like fan girl and shy I was like baby you can you can follow them and when they followed him back he was like he literally like screenshot it and said it to me he's like baby Aisy followed me back like he's obsessed with her it's the cutest thing but it's so women's sports has definitely become a thing in our house. household over the past couple years and it's been really fun, especially now that we're having a girl. Like, I'm excited to introduce her to this world of women's sports. But you actually, you coach field hockey. I do.

I still coach high school field hockey. That, like, I've heard you talk about, like, just how lifegiving that is to you. I want to know. I just want to hear from you, like, what that means to you. But also, like, I'm sure you see, like, mental health from a different lens because of working with high school girls. Yeah. I started coaching high school field hockey when I was 19 years old.

So I went and coached the JV team at the high school that I'm still with for two years before I went back to playing field hockey myself. I used to like jump into drills and it got a little embarrassing. Like, hey, Kylie, get off the field. Just get off. Appreciate you. Get off the field. And so I decided to go back and play myself. I still had four years of eligibility and it was the best decision I could have ever made.

But because I started so young, I have not had a fall without field hockey either playing or coaching since I was in seventh grade. So I love it. I think it's such a privilege to get to introduce or just continue to work with young female athletes within a sport that I have gotten so much out of. I had incredible coaches, both in high school and in college, my college coaching staff was incredible. It was like the strongest, best group of women I've ever met. I had coaches in high school that were so open and honest, like incredible women. And those are the examples that I hope to be a fraction of that,

for our athletes. I hope at the very least that our coaching staff that has been together for the last five, maybe six years has just even an inkling of what I've been given. And I feel really strongly that sports can positively impact your mental health for so many reasons. The endorphins that you get, the way that you get to look at your body through a different lens,

lens that I think helps you appreciate your body in a different way. Like I'm sure in dancing, you could understand the idea of you're going to get higher jumps. You're going to get more animated movements the stronger you are. And so that strength means that you get to appreciate your body in a way that you might not had you not been using it for what you're using it for. I yeah I don't I I I I just my seniors are my seniors I've been with them for all four years and and I also just it's the community I grew up in and I feel it's so important to give back to your community and I love this like I really I love field hockey probably in like a unhealthy way but I want girls to either see how amazing field hockey is or learn about team sports and what it does for you. Yeah. Or both.

Both would be cool. Yeah. I love that. It's such a privilege that I get to coach and I feel really fortunate that I get to continue to do that. And I don't know how long I will be able to do that. I try to be very tactful about how I navigate things outside of field hockey because I have eyes on me.

and their eyes that I have to answer to. And I feel like that is a responsibility that I don't take lightly. Outside of my curse words on the podcast or like in a public setting, like I try my best to put things out that I know I'm okay with my high school girls seeing. It's actually a really nice filter to the transition of my kids one day being able to see it. Yeah. Because I feel a strong responsibility to them. Yeah. That's so special. I want to know from your just experiencing women's sports, how you've advocated and your commitment, for lack of a better word, to, you know, continuing to push for women's sports and more places

and equality with it. What do you think it means for, I mean, even for you personally, like growing up because I think about this now, like having a girl, having girls being able to grow up and see women compete at the highest level of the sport. Like, what does that mean to little girls? Like, what did that mean to you growing up? I still remember watching the women's U.S. soccer team. And specifically, I always mess up her name. is it brandy chastain that sounds right uh when she scored a goal and took her shirt off do you remember

that oh no i don't and ended up like on her knees it was like one of the most oh yeah yeah yeah yeah 1999 so yeah um she was on the team with uh mea ham who was uh a legend uh is a legend um that whole team was that's what I remember being at the time. And again, I could be wrong with this is just how my memory serves me. That was really the only mental image I have of women's sports growing up in the public eye and at a professional level. So the opportunities that our girls are going to see growing up, I am so excited for them.

I'm so excited for them to see a broader range of sports because the more sports you can see, the more body types you see, the more variation you see. You're not going to see the same girls absolutely crushing it in U.S. gymnastics, being able to compete in the W. Yeah. it's just not going to happen. And so our girls now get this beautiful range of no matter what you look like, no matter how you've been built, because that's not up to you.

You can excel. As long as you are willing to put in the hard work, you are willing to dedicate yourself to that. And that's such an exciting message that our kids get to grow up in. and I want people to feel empowered to encourage their kids to try sports. My husband and I are huge proponents of trying a bunch of sports. Yeah. And sticking with trying a bunch of sports until you're older and you really get into sort of what you want to focus on.

I played field hockey year round from probably eighth grade on. So no matter what I was indoor hockey in the... fall season was our normal season, indoor hockey in the winter, um, spring league in the spring and then camps all summer. And it got to a point where I was like, okay, something's got to give. And sophomore year of high school, I started throwing in the fall. So I was shot put discus and javelin.

Oh, wow. Um, and I wasn't like, I wasn't excellent at it. Yeah. But I enjoyed it. And I certainly wasn't going to run track and field. That would have been ridiculous. Um, but it's, It gave me balance. And so I want our girls and my husband and I have talked about this at length,

that it's healthier for your body. It's healthier for your muscles, your everything, ligaments, and to fire differently. And so as much variety as you can give, we plan to do that. And also, like, you never know what's going to stick. Yeah. My dad, I mean, I'm 5-11. My dad tried basketball. He really did. He cemented the hoop in the backyard and everything. He's six foot nine. He was like, Like, I'm going to have tall girls and this is going to be amazing. And neither of us played basketball. We went the wrong direction. We went down for field hockey.

So you just never know what someone's going to, what someone is going to feel like lights their soul on fire. And I hope that our kids find that. Even if it's not in sports, I hope that they get to experience that at least for a little bit. And if they go into the arts, then we're going to have to tag into some family. there because my husband is musically gifted. It's not me. I'm not an artist by any me. You don't want me to paint anything. My mom went to school, started school to be an art teacher. So she might be, if anyone's an artist, we'll send them there. But it's, it's so funny. Yeah, I really hope our girls at the very least can see why my husband and I love sports.

Yeah. Even if they don't stay in it. But I really do feel like. I have good odds with four daughters, at least one of them is bound to play field hockey, right? Yeah. I think so. I hope so. And if they don't, it'll be fine. You'll cry a little, but you'll get over a day. Behind closed doors.

Yeah. You'll get over it one day. Yeah. That's so good. I always say my, the only screen time my kids are getting, because that's the other hot topic is a screen time. I'm like, my kids are watching sports. Like, we have sports.

Yeah. If there is some form of a game on, it is like, Like even down to like freaking pickleball and cornhole like if there is some sporting on it's on the TV. Yes. So that will be there screen time. What's what's the screen time? Where have you settled on it? I mean if the TV's on the TV's the TV's on like they're I'm like not against screen time like I think it's in balance.

But especially with like if golf's on that's the most like low stimulating like thing. And that's like the whole I feel like the whole debate is the like the very like colorful and all that. Stuff that people debate. I'm like, it's golf, it's football. Like there's not. Yep. There's not anything going on. She's not going to have a choice.

The kids are just always going to be around sports. So, what's good. Well, this has been so great. Thank you for answering all of my questions. I honestly feel better because I feel like I can obviously get advice from my mom

and my girlfriends that have been pregnant, but it's different getting to have that advice from someone that is somewhat living some of a parallel life in a different universe to me. So that's been really helpful. Thank you. Thank you for having me. And thank you for talking about this stuff.

I always say I like to give flowers where they're due. And you having these discussions and talking to people and making it a normal conversation to discuss people's mental health journey because it's a never-ending journey. And you're making an incredible impact. So thank you. That's so sweet. Right back at you. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services.

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