The Squeeze - Spencer Sutherland: Success Without Losing Yourself

Episode Date: August 19, 2026

In this week's episode, Tay sits down with singer and songwriter Spencer Sutherland! Spencer shares what got him started in music and how much of a role social media played in his growth as a...n artist. He talks about how he's stayed grounded in who he is throughout his career, what mental health on tour has looked like for him (including why it's been one of the happiest seasons of his life), and what he does when he needs to slow down and unplug. Spencer opens up about what he means when he talks about becoming himself and shares who he's growing into in this current chapter and the parts of himself he's had to protect as he's grown. He also shares what fans can expect from his new music coming out and wraps up with his advice for anyone who is scared to chase their dreams.Be sure to follow Spencer on https://instagram.com/spencermusic/!Check out Spencer’s music here:Apple Music SpotifyTo email us your questions or share your story, you can reach out to lautner.thesqueezepodcast@gmail.comBe sure to rate, review, and follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode! Plus, follow us on all of our socials:The SqueezeInstagram: https://instagram.com/thesqueeze/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@thesqueezepodcastTay LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylautner/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@mrstaylautnerAmazon Storefront https://urlgeni.us/amazon/FDXj7 Taylor LautnerInstagram: https://instagram.com/taylorlautner/TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@taylorlautnerTo learn more from The Lemons Foundation, follow https://instagram.com/lemonsbytay/ and visit https://lemonsbytay.comEpisode Sponsors:Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at square.com/go/squeeze! #squarepodTaking care of your health just got easier – start here with Zocdoc: https://zocdoc.com/SQUEEZE #sponsoredFind your nearest Ross at RossStores.com.Find Primal Kitchen dressings, sauces, and condiments at your local grocery store or on Primalkitchen.com. Primal Kitchen - made for real food.Visit facefoundrie.com and use code SQUEEZE for 20% off your first service.Shop Honest on Amazon, Walmart and Target.Give them meals + snacks that are actually right for where kids are developmentally-balanced, intentional and made to support real growth. Go to littlespoon.com/SQUEEZE and enter code SQUEEZE for 30% off your first order.Larineco is offering our listeners up to 50% off at buylarine.com/SQUEEZEMB014GJJJKQV82RSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The following podcast is a dear media production. Spencer, welcome to The Squeeze. Thank you so much for having me. I'm the Squeez's biggest fan. I want everybody to know that. What conspiracy theory do you low-key believe in? I got one. Oh, what?
Starting point is 00:00:13 I don't know if we landed on the moon or not. No, I agree with that. My favorite conspiracy theory, this entire podcast and everything we're saying was all written by AI and we're following a prompt right now. If you're seeing this, it's just happening. What got you into music originally? Where'd that love where it come from?
Starting point is 00:00:27 I was a little boy. That's the first thing. that I wanted to be. I drew myself as like a backstreet boy and I was like, I'm gonna be a singer. I'm just gonna be that. There was no other option. There's nothing else that I was gonna do.
Starting point is 00:00:38 I've never thought about being anything else. I was so obsessed with bell bottoms and I bought my first pair of bell bottoms. I put them on. I tucked in my shirt, painting my nails, and I sang, and when I wake in a morning and I step outside.
Starting point is 00:00:51 It's not a trending song, but I loved it. And I stopped trying to go viral, try to be this other thing. And I woke up and it was my first viral video. Oh, be yourself. they help me on the internet to kind of figure that out.
Starting point is 00:01:03 There's just like massive power that comes with really not caring what people think. I won't put it out unless I'm at the place of this fucking rocks. You have to make this art for you. We've negotiated full deals
Starting point is 00:01:15 that haven't come true. We've been ghosted. And that will like play a number on your confidence. That's my experience. That's my soul. That's my like life's work. You're telling me that my soul's not good enough.
Starting point is 00:01:26 The record is coming out early fall. The third album is called Happy Wednesday, happy Wednesday. Welcome back to another episode of The Squeeze. I am so happy that you guys are joining me today. This episode is super fun. I haven't laughed this hard in quite some time. I honestly love dry humor and sarcasm. And our guest today is full of it. Lemon drops meet Spencer Sutherland. He is an emerging pop artist and performer known for his theatrical high energy sound that blends pop R&B. and glam rock influences. Spencer is such a character. I'm obsessed with him. We had the best time. I'm sure there's actually parts of this interview that we cut because we were sidebarring way too much and we needed to stay on track. But I just love people that have this dry sense of humor, but also can get emotional at the same time. And that's really what this episode is. We laughed, but then also got really serious and emotional and talked about mental health and what the life of a
Starting point is 00:02:50 performer is actually like. We talked about comparison. We talked about staying true to who you are. And I think Spencer does such a good job at being authentically who he is. He also gives really great advice for people listening that might be too scared to chase their dreams. Spencer has taken that head on. And it's really cool to see how he has grown comfortable just being authentically himself. He has some new up and coming music that's out. And if you guys have not heard his stuff, yet listen to this episode and then go be sure and follow him and see what he's up to because I think you will enjoy it. Well, Spencer, welcome to The Squeeze. Thank you so much for having me. I'm the Squeeze's biggest fan. I want everybody to know that.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Oh my gosh. Our Lemon Drops might rival you. Those are our listeners. So you're, that's one of my usernames is Spencer. That's your secret. At Spencer Lemon Drop. Your secret account. I love that. You came best dressed today. I'm obsessed. I have to know. Thanks. Do you style yourself? Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I tried to work with a couple of stylists and yeah, I wear like weird stuff. Like it's all like either from my grandma, from a thrift store or probably a women's blouse. It's great. It works. It just cut better. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm envious of people that can do that because I just normally, I just look like Adam Sandler majority of the time. You look cool. But anytime you want to borrow this. this sweater you can.
Starting point is 00:04:21 Thank you. I will be letting you know. Okay, so we start each episode off with this jar. A game called Citrus Got Real, if you would like to pull a little piece of paper out of there. I always wanted to play this. You can read it. I didn't place them there.
Starting point is 00:04:34 It looks like I did, but I just moved to them up, so you didn't have to dig for them. Oh, man. What conspiracy theory do you low-key believe in? Oh, boy. I know, I know. I mean, if you can't think of one off the top of your head,
Starting point is 00:04:49 I got one. Oh, what? Do you know yours? No, maybe. I don't, yeah, low-key believe because I don't really know. Yeah. I don't know if we landed on the moon or not. Okay, that actually I can get, yeah, no, I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:05:05 I saw fly me to the moon with Channing Tatum. Uh-huh. And it changed my life. Yeah. Because not really. But that was also, that's like a real story. And I was thinking, wow, this was done in Hollywood. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:18 I do, especially after this last little moon trip thing, because people are saying, like, when they went behind the moon, like, we lost communication with them, but I'm like, but then again, I don't understand science and technology. Well, you know, the moon and the Wi-Fi and the hot spot. Yeah, but like, why? No, I'm fully on board with that. I was going to say one that I heard. What is it?
Starting point is 00:05:41 That there's no, I don't even know how to further, like, elaborate on this. So this is probably not a good one. but that the entire internet is a cable that like runs under the Atlantic Ocean. I've never even heard this before and I have no reason not to believe it. A previous guests said it to me and... Who is the guest? Brooke Averick. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 00:06:09 And I was like, what do you mean? And she was like, well, I don't know. She like read an article about it and doesn't know anymore. But then I was like, but there's satellites. So that's also internet, but that it's really just, it's really just a cable. You're talking to the wrong guy. I don't know anything about that. But my favorite conspiracy theory is that this entire podcast and everything we're saying
Starting point is 00:06:31 was all written by AI and we're following a prompt right now. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're seeing this, it's happening. That is what is happening. Okay, well, I'm so excited to sit and chat and to learn more about you and have our lemon drops learn more. This is such a cliche question, but I really would like to know, and I think our listeners would love to know, just like a little bit more about you and what got you into music originally.
Starting point is 00:06:56 Where'd that love for it come from? Yeah. I mean, it truly is like, like when I was a little boy, that's the first thing that I wanted to be. Yeah. And I always say this like when I do interviews, but there's this thing in like second grade where you're filling out like when I grow up, I want to be blank. Can you draw yourself? And I just, I drew myself as like a backstreet boy. And I was like, I'm going to be a singer.
Starting point is 00:07:20 I'm just going to be that. And it was kind of that way through my entire life. I did Elvis impersonations when I was a kid. And I did talent shows and musicals. And then when I was graduating, I was going to go away to college. Yeah. Signed up. Room first month paid for.
Starting point is 00:07:38 Books paid for. And the last minute, something was like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't do it. And I went, hey mom. So I'm not going to go to college in two weeks. And it was, it was definitely like a, whoa. But it was, I was just like, there was no other option. There's nothing else that I was going to do.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Yeah. It was that. And I've never thought about being anything else. I love that. Yeah. Is there anyone that's musical in your family or was this just kind of, you were the first one that wanted to pursue something in the arts? I was definitely the first one. My dad can sing and my brothers can sing.
Starting point is 00:08:17 And I think it was more my parents always played like the most bang in music all the time. They introduced me to Jimmy Hendrix and the Temptations and, you know, green, like everything. Every sort of funk, James Brown. My dad even introduced me to DMX when I was like nine, which is way too young to listen to DMX. But it was like every sort of music and there was always great music throughout the house. You know, he had one of those CD changers. So just David Bowie, Beach Boys all around. And so I just fell in love with, I just fell in love with music.
Starting point is 00:08:54 Yeah. And I still am. And it was a long, long, long road. I've been in L.A. for 10 years. And I did a lot of couch surfing and a lot of sleeping on floors. Yeah. Carpets like this. Yep.
Starting point is 00:09:07 One time I slept in a closet for a couple weeks. It was a walking closet, but that was my room for a couple of weeks. Oh, my gosh. And I really did grassroots start playing like little shows and everything. And, and then 2020, like during the pandemic, the internet changed everything for me. Like, TikTok and Reels changed my life. Yeah. It was crazy.
Starting point is 00:09:27 It's so interesting, like how, like, I feel like I've been learning more about, because I feel like I have a lot of friends in the music industry, but I'm still very just like ignorant to it all because there's so many nuances and everything that's involved in it. But now it's like just how much social media really plays into. It's it is the pretty much if you're like not one of the biggest artists in the world. It's the only thing that you do. Yeah. To get to, you know. Yeah. My favorite thing is live performance.
Starting point is 00:09:59 So for sure. I just do it so I can go on tour. Yeah. And that's my favorite. Is it stressful like for you to have to keep up with social media? Like I'm sure there's a. a sense of like, I mean, probably just more so in the beginning, like when things really did start taking off on social media, but there was like a, was there a sense of like, oh, I really need to like
Starting point is 00:10:19 keep posting, keep doing all of these things to keep up. Yeah, it was like a cover, like I would do a cover a day and I would wake up and just record a cover and film it and edited and everything. And it took up half my day every day. Just doing that every day. Also, I'm sure you get this a lot, but you're such a calming presence to like talk to. You have like a very like, I wonder if you're at that like four. 51 Hertz or whatever like you talk right here. Oh, that's great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:46 So I'm sure you get it all the time. I haven't been compared to Hertz at certain frequency yet. So that's, that's, have you been compared to Hertz the car rental company? No. This episode. I'm sorry. It's good.
Starting point is 00:11:00 I love. We love a good joke here. No, but thank you. That's sweet. But no, like what you were saying to, like how, how has it been for you, the past few years really since things. I mean, even I guess before, because the music industry is so, you know, like yes is no,
Starting point is 00:11:18 as high as low, like it feels like something's going. And then then you feel like you take 10 steps back. Like how have you learned to really just like stay Brazilian and like keep pushing towards your dreams? Yeah, I think I think that I'm grateful for the years and years of playing a handful of people. You know, like, I really am. And now when I get to go to these amazing venues, I've always dreamed of playing. I soak up like the walls of the green room.
Starting point is 00:11:49 And I'm, yeah, I'm like really all about that. So I think that plays a part in it. But even now, you know, posting like, I came up with this new song and I'm posting it because the new thing is like you post it 35 times or something crazy. Yeah. And it's just, yeah, it's like a weird industry that we're kind of dipping into. Yeah. But I'll never be the type of artist who. who kind of is fighting it because what good does that do, I feel.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Yeah. You know, like people are like, David Bowie would have never posted on the internet. And I'm like, yeah, yes, he would have. Yeah. It just wasn't around at that time. Like that is kind of the new thing. So, you know, even if it gets, it gets a little like kind of puts you down. But it's the game.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Yeah. I think that's something where like. slowly learning how impactful like the internet is especially because I feel like celebrities that have been celebrities who are like older like their opinions on people like influencers
Starting point is 00:12:51 or people coming up from the internet I'm sure they don't have like the best view I'm sure I know that they don't have like the best view on but I think it's just like the times have changed like I'm sure you know when they were growing younger artists actors in their career like I'm sure there was something that was similar going on.
Starting point is 00:13:12 I feel like it's just that over and over again. This is the new when CDs came out. This is the new when cassettes came out. This is the new when vinals came out. Yeah. When the radio, when MTV, it's just kind of the same thing. And yeah, I'll never. I thought it.
Starting point is 00:13:28 I always say this too. I fought it because I thought real artists would never do this when TikTok first started. Yeah. I'll just put out music and tour. And then some and then I see Adele on TikTok. And I'm like. Okay. Yeah, maybe I should.
Starting point is 00:13:40 I should probably get in the line. What is like, I think, I can't remember. Alex Warren shared something like before he like actually released Ordinary. He posted it like. Yeah. I don't even know, like close to 100 times. I don't want to quit the number because I can't remember. But it's something like that.
Starting point is 00:13:55 It was some like insane. It was like 80 or like 90 times he had hosted with the audio before. Yeah. He even like got to release it. So and I mean, look, you know, what it's done. Number one, over a billion streams. Crazy. Yeah, no, there's...
Starting point is 00:14:10 With a B, which is so nuts. I can't even, like, comprehend. We can't fathom that here. That's a billion streams. But soon. Yeah. Yeah. Very soon.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Yeah. I feel like with music industry, it's very much, like, not people telling you, like, who to be. But, I guess, for lack of a better term, people telling you, like, who to be, you should change this, you should do this. How... Do you feel like you've struggled... with keeping your identity through it or like, how have you kind of just learned to stay grounded in who you are? That's a really great question because when something doesn't work, right, if something doesn't
Starting point is 00:14:52 go viral or whatever you want it to do or stream the way you start to question like your art and your image and like what you're putting out there. And I think like the hard thing for me is, yeah, I, I, I, I do do that. I like question it. It's tough. Yeah. I'm confident you not.
Starting point is 00:15:14 Yeah. And people are telling you to do these different things. And the thing that kind of comforted me was I just realized every song you put out, you know, I put out an album a year basically. Every song you put out is not going to be a hit. It's not going to go viral. Maybe none of them will. But that's not, I'm not really in this to do like a two, three year touring career. I want to do this for the rest of my life.
Starting point is 00:15:34 I want to be touring when I'm like, like Stephen Tyler right now, I want that. I want to be 80 years old. Yeah. Screaming, you know, and looking like he looks. I actually want to look like him, how he looks now, now. Yeah. Yeah. I need to get more sun.
Starting point is 00:15:50 But, yeah, I just, I think about that. I think about this being more of a career, less of a moment. And that helps me. That's probably such a good, like, way to go into it. Because I feel like that also probably not eliminate some mental health things because, I mean, we could go. into the mental health stuff of especially in the music industry. But I think having that mindset is really special because you are like,
Starting point is 00:16:18 I think it sets you apart in the sense of you can tell that it's something that you are genuinely passionate about and just love doing. I mean, I'm saying this to you now, but I do feel like I'm like still preaching it to myself. Yeah. Like right now when I'm saying it. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:34 It's, I feel like it will be a forever thing. not to stress you out. But like I think that's just what we, I think as we grow and get older and that's just like life. Yeah. And artists, artists overthink, believe it or not. Like, yeah. It's just part of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:52 We question everything and yeah. Yeah. And there's such like a vulnerability to like your work to especially in like songwriting. And I mean, even just like, even just getting up and singing, even if it's not your song, there's still such like a vulnerable aspect to that. Like I think of like my husband with acting and like, you know, you watch someone and you're like, like you can critique how they, how they perform something like acting wise or how they like, you know, if they hit all the notes and whatever song it is. Yeah. But it's like still you even if it's not like there's it's it's a very like personal or personal thing.
Starting point is 00:17:29 Yeah. It's really difficult now at this time to watch a concert. Like to go and enjoy a concert. Yeah. I mean, I love to do it, but I'm sitting there. And I'll like, like, the show starts and then I look up and see, like, what the lights are doing. And then I hear that the note was a little bit flat and I'm like, oh, my, are they sick? Are they on prednisone?
Starting point is 00:17:51 And then I look at this and look at that and look at the band members, look at each other, like something just went wrong or whatever. Like, it's very much a different experience as an artist to watch a show. It's so interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it takes some fun away for sure. Yeah. But, yeah, a couple of tequila sodas.
Starting point is 00:18:10 I'll forget about it. Yeah, then you're good. Then you're good. What is your relationship with touring? Because I've had quite a few artists come on and just talk about, like, their, how their mental health. I mean, everyone, I feel, talks about their mental health on tour. How is your mental health when you go on tour? I actually have never been happier when I'm on the road.
Starting point is 00:18:33 I love it so much. The worst mental health is when I, and it's, inevitable any tour you get sick every tour because you're meeting 100 people in VIP and then you're playing your show and then you're sleeping way less than you should and you're traveling from climate to climate from Salt Lake to San Francisco to Albuquerque to you know yeah and uh and my worst mental health is when I get sick on tour because I feel like even if I don't cancel a show I'm letting people down because I can't reach everything and and uh yeah, after the show, I just feel so low.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Like, and then also your body, you have like a sickness, so you feel horrible. But if I'm not sick, it's, it's my favorite time of life. I love it. I love sound check. I love sitting on the bus. I love flying. I weirdly love airports. Yeah, like feeds my soul.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I do like being home, but traveling, I don't know if it's just right now in my life. It's like my favorite makes me feel alive. Makes me feel like I have like even more of a purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I have a friend I think who is, he's a musician and I think he would probably actually
Starting point is 00:19:51 say the same thing as you because I'm thinking about him. And when he's home for too long, like I can tell he's starting to get like a little like questioning his self worth and like himself like really just like can get to a dark place. but when he's out, it's like his favorite thing. I've also like right now, I've kind of been pretty much wrapping up my album. It's done. Yeah. So I'm done with that.
Starting point is 00:20:16 Not on tour. How many TikToks can I make? You know? So then, yeah, it's like, and it's okay to hang out. It's like okay, but I have this weird and I'm not sure if it's because I'm from Columbus, Ohio. I'm from the Midwest. And, you know, my parents had very regular jobs. And I can't tell if it's because of that like nine to five mentality where it's, I need to do something productive right this moment.
Starting point is 00:20:42 I've been trying to tell myself that not doing something productive is going to be more productive in the long run. But it's hard. Yeah. No, I very much struggle with that because I'm. You're a busy body? I'm a very busy body and I always have to be doing something. I like have really learned that I get that from my parents. Like they are just like, especially my dad.
Starting point is 00:21:02 He's like DIY everything. Where you from? Always. I'm from here. Okay. Santa Clarita. Oh, yeah. But yeah, they're just like always moving, always going. And my husband, I think, because he's, you know, been working since he was a child,
Starting point is 00:21:17 when he's not working, he literally does nothing. And, like, he's trained himself to not do anything, like, when he's off. And he, I think this is why we fit together so well because he's like, dude, like, you need to sit, Like, please, like sit down or I'll ask him to like grab my goals because now he's like my freaking waiter chef everything because I'm pregnant. I don't want to get up off the couch once I've sat down. So I'm like, babe, can you get this? Can you get this?
Starting point is 00:21:44 But last night it was like eight and we were like going to start watching a new documentary. And I was like, can you grab my laptop for me? And he literally just like looked at me. And I was like, no, you're right. Never mind. Like he knows I was going to start doing work again. But it's, it's good to have like. I'm very thankful that I have him because I would.
Starting point is 00:22:02 drive myself into the ground. Yeah, the busy body thing, once again, probably will never go away totally. Yeah. And I think it's good sometimes. Yeah. But sometimes we just got to chill the hell out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:15 Yeah. We just have to. How do you make yourself? Like, what do you do when you're like, I need to chill? I like to hang out with friends. Okay. Yeah. Like, they will get me whether we go to a movie or a bar or whatever.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Yeah. Because I'll get to head down. And I'll just, I'll work so much on something I actually take away from the productiveness of it. Like on a song, like, I'll make it sound bad. It was sounding really great. And I'm like, a little more work. And then it sounds horrible or a video or I think too hard about something.
Starting point is 00:22:49 So friends really, really take me, take me out of it. And I love movies. Like I'm really, really, really into watching movies. and I like to watch movies alone. It's like my favorite thing. Okay. Yeah. Is that because you're isolating yourself or that's like a healthy thing?
Starting point is 00:23:09 Okay. Yeah, maybe. So maybe we just uncovered something here. Okay. Yeah, maybe we just like keep an eye out on that. Do you like going to the movies or do you like watching things at home? I love going to the movies. I don't like, I never want to go.
Starting point is 00:23:20 But as soon as I walk in the theater, I'm so, I went last night to see the new Michael Jackson movie. I just saw it on Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. And I like as soon as I was there. Yeah. So happy I'm here.
Starting point is 00:23:31 Yeah. Yeah. I also think that my husband was probably really happy that we went and saw it because if I would have like waited and watched it at home, I would have been like singing and dancing the entire time. He would have been like shut up, please. There were a couple people in the theater like singing. I was like, hey, leave it to him, huh? No. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:46 No, truly. Leave it to the guy on the screen. I was so impressed by like, I mean, everything by him. But his dancing, like I grew up. I danced my whole life. So, but I mean, I think anyone would find it impressive. But like, it's just I was blown away. killing it.
Starting point is 00:24:00 Yeah. Yeah. My favorite part was Coleman Domingo. I didn't even, I forgot that was him. Yeah. And the credit started going. I was like, Coleman Domingo.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And my husband was like, yeah, he was the dad. And I was like, wait, whoa, whoa, what?
Starting point is 00:24:15 What? Same experience last night. And then it literally like everything clicked. He, I mean, I don't know if you've seen like footage of Joe Jackson before. Uh-huh. It was perfection.
Starting point is 00:24:25 Yeah. Like, even like Joe Jackson did this thing where he had his mouth open, Like when he was a lot and Coleman Domingo was doing it. I mean, that guy is like a star. Yeah. Yeah. And he also sounds nothing like that in real life.
Starting point is 00:24:36 He's very like well spoken and spry. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, I love a biopic. I'm the reason I started singing literally, I have an Elvis necklace is Elvis. And I'm obsessed with him. And so I love that biopic. I love the queen biopic.
Starting point is 00:24:53 Yeah. I want to watch all those all the time. Elton John one was good. Bob Dylan. and they're all good. My husband has some really fun stories with Elton John, and it's literally the funniest thing to me. He's lived a whole life, like literally before I met him.
Starting point is 00:25:08 I'm going to have to hear those stories at some point. He's on my Mount Rushmore. Who else is on? What is your Mount Rushmore? That would have been a great question. Use it in the future. Music, Mount Rushmore, or movie or whatever. I'm going to write that down.
Starting point is 00:25:20 My music one is Elvis. Elton John. Queen slash Freddie. The fourth one, there's so many. but I have to put the temptations there. Ooh. Uh-huh. But Prince is going.
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Starting point is 00:32:16 I'd love for you to kind of like elaborate on what you. meant for that because I think we're in like especially like where we're at in life and I feel like this might just be something like as you become an adult and sane adult this is maybe something that you deal with but I think a lot of people maybe like just hearing that sentence can relate to it but can you tell me a little bit more yeah yeah I think um I was kind of stems a little bit I was a very like I was super overweight when I was honestly my whole life until I was like 18 something like that
Starting point is 00:32:53 and I lost like almost 100 pounds and I think when I lost the weight I like went back for school and it was the first time that I'd ever gotten like attention from like a girl school and so I was like what is this so I started thinking about how to dress to make them like me, right? And that kind of carried over after high school when I was like wanting to be a singer.
Starting point is 00:33:22 2014, 15, you know, Bieber era, I started dressing like that. Like whatever the male pop star thing was. For sure. Skinny jeans, long teas, foie hawk. God, I had a glorious footh. And it was like so not me. I was just doing what everybody, right? And I did that for a long, long, long time.
Starting point is 00:33:46 And nothing was working. And I just like never felt like myself. When I was doing interviews, I would try to literally talk a certain way. I would try to sit a certain way, like try to be perfect. And now I'm just like slouched over on this chair. I don't even care. As you should be. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I would lay if there is a bed. Yeah. And I like this kind of goes back to what we were talking about with the social media stuff. I was so, it was such a weird time. You couldn't leave and that I started. I even tried to sing a certain way. Like I have this with my music, it's just like a lot of like rasp in my voice,
Starting point is 00:34:25 my natural voice. And I always thought that if you're doing pop music, that's not something that should be there. It should be like very. Yeah. Charlie Puth, very beep, like that kind of a thing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:36 R&B pop. And I remember I like woke up and literally had, like a f f get moment. Sorry, I don't know if I can curse on here. I love to. It's okay. I had a fuck it moment. Leave it out and post. Keep it in.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Slate. And I remember I wore my first pair. I was so obsessed with bell bottoms and I bought my first pair of bell bottoms. I put them on. I tucked in my shirt. I painted my nails. And I sang. And when I
Starting point is 00:35:10 wake in the morning and I step outside. It's not a trending song, but I loved it. And I stopped trying to be like go viral, try to be this other thing. And I woke up and it was my first viral video. So I was sitting in bed. It were like seven in the morning thinking, oh, be yourself. Be like what feels. And so I started like, they helped me on the internet to kind of figure that out.
Starting point is 00:35:37 And so I started wearing my bell bottoms of Trader Joe's. And I was walking down the street. And I was so nervous because it felt because it felt like me, but I was nervous because I knew it was loud. Yeah. And this, this older man stops me. And he goes,
Starting point is 00:35:54 hey man. And I was like, here we go. Here we go. Bring him back. Let's go. Bring him back. And it like made my entire life.
Starting point is 00:36:02 And so thank you to that man outside of wherever I was. And then I just kept falling further and further into it and really, really becoming and wearing and acting and singing and all this all the stuff right uh what wasn't like natural to me you know if you stop trying to be someone then it sounds like a song sounds like a lewis capote song can you write that down trying to be somebody um yeah yeah it was it was it was i had a bunch of aha moments over the last few years and and and now i don't even even question it. I don't, there's this like massive power that comes with really not caring what people think, you know, I'll catch myself sometimes. Like if I get done with a photo shoot and I'm
Starting point is 00:36:53 in a ridiculous outfit and we'll go get dinner somewhere and people are looking for a second, for just a second, I think I get a little bit self-conscious and then I remember that this is just who I am and, you know, people are probably, that's cool. Instead of going to the dark, place in your mind. Yeah. And you think like, what the hell is this guy wearing? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:15 No, I'm sure there's so many people that have even just not even knowing who you are, just seeing you out in your bell bottoms wearing your clothes and like been inspired too. You know. That's really a nice thought. No, genuinely. I mean that. Because I think that's what,
Starting point is 00:37:30 I think that's what it takes is people just embracing who they are and their style and whatever that is because we are. So we live in a world with so many opinions all the time. Yeah. Especially with social media now. And I think it's hard people probably feel even if you're not, you know, if you're not an influencer or the musician, celebrity, whatever it is. Like you're just, you know, live in your life at home. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 00:37:59 It still is just as scary to kind of take that step and wear the jeans or do like cut the hair, whatever it may be. Yeah. I think there's something really sweet and nice when you wear this stuff out of like, this is who I am rather than this will look cool. Yeah. I also do think that it's going to look cool. But, you know, first of all comes from like, this is, I feel me. I so feel me when I get to, you know, express myself and my fashion and my everything.
Starting point is 00:38:32 Yeah. I'm trying to like imagine you in like a, like a. You don't have to. plain t-shirt and like straight, like just like a normal, like something that my husband would put together. No, he has good style, but like just like a very like not fun outfit. Yeah, we could trade clothes and yeah. I'll put on just a white tea and jeans. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:52 Yeah. But now this suits you. I love it. Oh, thanks. Who, in this like new chapter of, you know, you've finished writing some stuff. Who are you becoming in this. like current chapter, do you feel like you've changed it all, grown at all? Is there anything that you've felt kind of shift in your life? Definitely a new sense of like independence and
Starting point is 00:39:21 freedom, especially with the music too. It's, it's this, this will be my third album. The first album was like, hey, I think I found my sound. The second album was like this like loose concept rock opera type of thing. And I was, and I'm just so proud of that album. And this one, I feel like it's like the top of the mountain that we're going to stay on for a long time. It's like, we found the sound. We found the concepts. I got to write with some like fantastic, like some of the biggest writers in the world in this record too, which I've always dreamed of. And so I think that like we took all that like art and that sound and made it into something that, um, like everybody can digest too. Yeah. just the theater kids or whatever.
Starting point is 00:40:08 They'll love it too, but. Yeah. Yeah. So I've, I've, I've never been prouder, I don't think, of something. And the visuals are really, really cool too. I love that. Yeah. Is there, you saying this just made me, like, think of this with, because I'm sure you felt
Starting point is 00:40:28 like a sense of pride at the point in time of, like, coming out with your first album and your second album. How, how do you, like, go into releasing? seeing an album and not leveling the expectation, but like accepting that people may or may not, you know, relate to your music or what's going on. Like, is there a level of like, just full acceptance? Like, I'm putting this out and, you know, whatever people want to think, they can think. Because kind of just circling what, back to what we were talking about with the vulnerability stuff of releasing music. Like, is there anything that, like, do you get nervous before an album
Starting point is 00:41:04 comes out or? I think I get a little bit nervous, but I won't put it out unless I'm at the place of this fucking rocks. Yeah. I love this. There's nothing I feel weird about on it. Whatever is going to be is going to be. And then I put it out.
Starting point is 00:41:22 That's kind of like, do you know who Rick Rubin is? He's a, he's like a famous producer. It's a big white beard. Okay. I was going to say maybe if I saw, I'm horrible. You're seeing clips where he's just like, he's like a hippie. he's awesome. And he kind of like he,
Starting point is 00:41:38 I love what he says. I don't know the exact quote, but it's something about like, don't like you have to make this art for you. If you're making art for other people, it's never going to be the, the thing to, like I look at,
Starting point is 00:41:52 I need a bracelet that says WWDBD. What would David Bowie do? You know what I mean? Like people that aren't trying to follow a trend, they make their own trend. By just being themselves. So yeah, I definitely like have to be 100% proud of this album.
Starting point is 00:42:09 And if you don't like it, you're dead to me. So I'm kidding. Or am I? I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know. No, it's good. I mean, it just goes back to like being yourself and like. Yes.
Starting point is 00:42:28 But it's like such a, you know, people along the way would tell me what I should be doing. Like, why are you doing this R&B thing? You need to sing like soul or you need to sing rock or whatever. And everybody can tell you that, man, but you got to have your own aha moment. You have to. Or else little net, like you,
Starting point is 00:42:48 and I can't, I don't know when it's going to be. Like what things are going to build on each other to make you realize that I need to make, you know, I need to sing like this and not like this. Or I need to make this kind of music. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:01 But I've talked about this before. I was making these really, really poppy songs, and then I would look at what I was listening to. And it was so different. Oh, wow. You know, so that was a big, yeah, that was a big moment, too. That's interesting. Yeah. Is there any parts of yourself that you've kind of had to learn to protect as your career has grown?
Starting point is 00:43:25 Yeah. Oh, God, yeah. Well, you know, I'm sure this is true for a lot of artists, but I have run the gamut on meeting with every record label of all time. I've been in the office. I've been told we've negotiated full deals that haven't come true. We've been ghosted. And that will like play a number on your confidence. It'll ground zero.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Like it's crazy what it'll do. because I think, you know, I do some acting to. And I think the difference by doing both is that when you act, you're acting apart, right? And if you're not doing a good job, it's, you can, I guess, coach it. And it's not Spencer. I'm playing John or whatever. For sure. When it's your music and someone like is disrespectful to your music or tells you it's not good,
Starting point is 00:44:23 that's my experience. That's my soul. That's my like life's work. And you're telling me that my soul's not good enough. Crazy. It's a crazy feeling. And the reality is it's not it's not right for them in this moment. For sure.
Starting point is 00:44:37 You know, or you need to learn or more to write music or whatever the case may be. But yeah, that was a really like I think after the TikTok and Instagram stuff started happening. I was, yeah, I was in every record label. And it was it really, it really did number on my, uh, on my mental. It was gnarly. How did you like get over that in a sense or like learn to accept it in? Still I am. Still I have a little bit, but not really, not really. I'm really like,
Starting point is 00:45:10 I think I don't know, it's it's it's romantic to be signed to the biggest record label in the world when I'm from Ohio and I look at these like big company names, right? And that's like the romantic thing. Yeah. So that's always what I had wanted. But I think that now in 2026, there's so many ways to do it. Yeah. And like some of the biggest artists in the world are not with major record labels. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Yeah, it was, I think I'm still figuring out that. But I'm happy with being able to say that like me and my team, we did it kind of like all on our own terms, literally. Yeah. I feel like it makes it. That makes it special too. Totally. It definitely like makes me feel like brave heart, which is cool. It's like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Yeah. I love that. So you have new music coming out. Sure do. Can fans expect to hear from your music, from you? What are you most excited about? Tell me anything. Well, we have multiple singles coming out.
Starting point is 00:46:24 And they're all absolute smash. bangers and then the record is coming out early fall. The third album is called So I'm really glad I got to say that That album title here for everyone involved. Yeah, it's kind of a long title. Yeah, but mostly in parentheses. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Yeah. Okay. Got it. Got it. Yeah, yeah. So you're welcome, everybody. That's so, that's exciting. But new music coming, tour coming.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Kind of everything. Yeah. Yeah, all kinds of stuff. It's so exciting. Yeah. I'm exciting for you. Lots of short TikToks they're going to be seeing. So many TikToks.
Starting point is 00:47:07 So many TikToks. Over 100 per song. God knows it. It's good. It's good. You got to do it. People love it. Also, I don't even like, I feel like it feels more repetitive to you than, like, because
Starting point is 00:47:22 I'm friends with Alex, I would see every time he would be, like, posting with ordinary any of his music. And it doesn't register to me. I'm not like, oh my gosh, he's already, he's posted three times to this song. Like, I've never thought that. And even still today when he does it, I'm like, I'm not even thinking that once. That's great to hear. Also, I think you're seeing like one out of every five because of algorithmic reasons.
Starting point is 00:47:45 Yeah. So just remember that as you're on your TikTok. I'm posting five today. 87. That's it. I'm going to post 87 today. As you should. As you should.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Okay. Last question I have for you before we head into our last little segment. but I'd love for you to share some advice to anyone out there that's listening that is scared to chase a dream of theirs. Sounds such a cliche thing, but I love when I get to have. I just feel like I think I enjoy talking with musicians too because I feel like I feel like you all probably as a whole have such like a deep appreciation for like being able to do like your dream and like having worked through it. if you have any advice to share with people. Well, most of the time it's, I think the reason that musicians are fun to talk to is because 99% are not overnight.
Starting point is 00:48:41 You know what I mean? There are a few that, whatever. But so I think the journey is so rigid and long and crazy. So the outlook is pretty bizarre in a good way. But I think someone told me once like when I was about to move. to L.A. from Ohio. I was like so stressed about it. Uh, financially for sure, but mostly just the giant change. Yeah. And I had a like a friend, sort of a mentor to say to me, I mean, look, if you're here for a year and you, and it's not what you want and it's not what you love,
Starting point is 00:49:19 you can move back and be in the same exact spot that you were in. See, so if you don't go, you're already, you already are, you lost. you're done. So I think like if you don't go for it, especially I was like 20 and I'm 22 now. So why do you laugh? Because I was doing math earlier. Damn it.
Starting point is 00:49:47 No. Oh no. Bleep this out. Yeah. I think I think that like what's the difference between someone being 20 and 21 and being like, well, that wasn't what I wanted. But I think a massive part is, yeah, going for it. And because if you don't, then you've already lost.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Those words still ringing my head. It's crazy. It's so good. And also, like, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And if you love it enough, I still have a long way to go. But, but I, my goals were to play like a 200-person venue all over the country. And now we've been all over the world. And we're playing to thousands of people.
Starting point is 00:50:28 And it's like, and of course, like as you grow and stuff, you, now I want to do arenas. And then I want to do stadiums and then. Yeah. But so, you know, it's kind of insatiable. But, yeah, I just, I feel like if you love it enough, there's, there shouldn't be another option. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:50 Yeah. And I really do mean it. Yeah. Yeah. I feel it. I feel. What's the worst is going to happen? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:58 I always hear my mentor is always like she tells me like burn chips like now is the time to like you know, it'll be stupid with your money. But if you want to go do this, try this. Burn chips. Burn chips. Yeah. So she says. Wow.
Starting point is 00:51:11 You know, do this with your money, obviously. Is your mentor, Meryl Streep? No, but she's honestly probably close. But she literally is like, try this career. And also when I have a background in nursing and when I was in nursing school, half of the class was you know, 21, 20 year olds. And the other half were all moms that were on to like their second career. And after seeing that, I was like, oh, okay.
Starting point is 00:51:36 Like you can literally do anything at any point in your life. At any point in your life, especially now. Yeah. I think that is so true. Yeah. Just reiterating what you're saying. I think that's so true. I cannot agree more.
Starting point is 00:51:53 No reason not to believe you. I agree. I'm really excited to bleep out your. A really long album title. Can we actually do that? Yes, we will. It will be really funny. We will for sure do that.
Starting point is 00:52:03 It's basically like all of the internet's all mad at Olivia Rodriguez right now because her album title is so long, even though it's not, you like, you look pretty sad for a girl in love. Did they not listen to the 1975? It's like, you look so beautiful for when you sleep. Like it's like. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's so egregious. I love it.
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Starting point is 00:58:30 possible. Right now, Lorenco is offering our listeners up to 50% off at buyloran.com slash squeeze. Let's buy Lorraine, L-A-R-I-N-E dot com slash squeeze for up to 50% off. Okay, let's head into our last little segment. Lemon 7, 7 questions. You can rapid fire them, share a story with me, whatever your heart desires. Number one is what movie or song title best describes your mental health today? I would say Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen because it's ever changing and the tempo changes a bunch and the mood changes a bunch and it's really long. But this part right here will probably be the best part of my day.
Starting point is 00:59:17 Okay. This podcast. I love that. So what part of the song would that be? Mama! Wait, no, that's not good. I just killed a man. I think we're easy come, easy go.
Starting point is 00:59:30 That part, B. Asababab. Wait, what does he even say there? Biazabab. Biazab. That's what it's actually, I'm like literally the worst of lyrics, worse with lyrics and like understanding. Well, that's not the easiest song to understand. It's like a Greek tragedy.
Starting point is 00:59:47 Yep. That's how I wrote it. Truly, that's funny. Okay, number two is how open are you with people in your life when struggling? I close it off, but I do have two friends that for whatever reason, my friend Mitch, my friend Sam, that I call all the time. And they just talk me through it. Like they just get, they get me through it. Yeah, I should pay them for therapy.
Starting point is 01:00:12 But other than that, I kind of walk away a little more than I should. But that's been one of my New Year's resolutions, even though it's halfway through the year, is to me. not be, you know? It's still the year, so you still could... That's my June resolution. Yep. Okay. Your late summer, early fall, it's going to be December. That's for 2027, Spencer. It's going to roll over. No, I want to start being more open with like, you know, like, was just more people like, call my parents and talking to them. Yeah. Number three is if you could follow only three social media accounts, what would they be? Um, Rode Monday, which is a, uh,
Starting point is 01:00:53 touring Instagram that has like a bunch of touring memes. Cute. Like one of them is a bunch of guys walking with a guy in a giant big bird outfit and it's like when you take the artist out to dinner. Like just stuff like that. At Elvis. Uh-huh. For obvious reasons.
Starting point is 01:01:10 For sure. And at John Stamos. Love that. Yeah. Are you a Stamos stand? Massive. Love that. Me and John Stamos have struck up a friendship recently.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Aw. And he gave me a full. I sent him my album. He gave me a full album review. He said it was a 10 out of 10 everybody. That's Uncle Jesse. Who said that? If freaking John Samos is saying that, then there's no, there's no.
Starting point is 01:01:37 Listen up, everybody. John Samos gave this a 10 out of 10. Yep. Uncle Jesse. I love that. Number four is what is your favorite form of self-care? Good question. Like, probably the gym.
Starting point is 01:01:50 Okay. Yeah, I go every day or like a nice, run. It's never made me feel worse. It always like at least helps a little bit. Also going to buy like a fancy coffee or something like if I'm feeling gnarly inside, I live where I can walk to my favorite coffee shop. It's like a five minute walk. And that's never failed. Yeah. It doesn't change everything. It's just like what the sweet treat does to the soul is like, yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. It really. My favorite after a tour is I go on an eating tour for the day. And I get all my, because on tour, I try to keep it really diet tight and everything.
Starting point is 01:02:28 And then, yeah, I go on. That's good. It's awesome. I love that for you. It's really cool. Number five is, what is the most misunderstood thing about you? Oh, geez. Has there been something on the internet that you've seen and you're like, that's not me or maybe something that people.
Starting point is 01:02:49 When you meet people, they're like, oh, I expected you to be... You're good at this. You're good at prompting. She's great of prompting. I actually, like, you know, some of the, some of the, some of those like, like, crazy hate comments or whatever for no reason. Uh, really gets me. It's like, yeah, they're like really like, ooh, it'll ruin my day or a week sometimes. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:15 lately if someone DMs me something like gnarly like out of nowhere I'll respond and I'll say like hey you don't have to like listen to it I'm really sorry I'm just trying to do my best to spread my song and then almost every time it's I'm so sorry I was just like having a bad day or I just wanted to get your attention or something like that so that's been helping me a little bit but but if you think that those comments don't hurt they do okay everybody Yeah, there's, I'm really pulling out all the stats this episode. And earlier, I've recorded one too, and I was pulling out stats. In 1984.
Starting point is 01:03:53 No, literally. No, because I'm pregnant, I can't ever remember the actual numbers because things just go in one year out the other. But no, there's something like you, a positive comment, like someone leaving you a loving comment, stays in your brain for like 30 seconds to a minute, and the negative one stays for like up to two weeks. like the difference of and you can have one negative out of like 50 like it's just the thought that the negative one stays there yeah well it's also crazy because the the scale it's usually like for every 500 600 great comments there's like one that's yeah he didn't cook like he thought he did yeah or whatever and that'll be the one that stays chat gptas lyrics or whatever cool yeah that's
Starting point is 01:04:40 funny i'm gonna go back to bed That actually, someone did say that and I said, honestly, this is really great. Yeah. Like if they roast me and it's a good. Mm-hmm. It's fun. Yeah. Like that's my grandma's shirt and I'm like it, it is.
Starting point is 01:04:55 Yeah. I thrifted it. 100%. And it probably was. Yeah. Number six is who has had the most positive impact on your mental health? I think like I just talked about my friends Mitch and Sam, like genuinely. Shout out Mitch and Sam.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Mitch and Sam. They'll pretty much drop everything and just to take a call or go get a coffee with me or something like that. Yeah. That's so special. It's so important to have friends like that. So great. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Yeah, I'm very lucky. And last but not least, if you can go back to one moment in your life, what moment would that be? And what would you say to yourself? I probably go back to what we talked about earlier when I was deciding if I should go to college or not. I would go back and tell myself, you are 100% making the right decision. A thousand percent, go for it.
Starting point is 01:05:43 Because I struggled for like a couple of years. Yeah. When all my friends were at college and I was living at home and flying out to LA once in a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I go tell myself, it's all going to be all right. Look at that. And I worked out.
Starting point is 01:05:56 Yeah. And also grow out your hair is what I would say. Oh. Yeah. Love that. We'll put a picture in the lower third. Long foahawk. I'm just adding all these chores.
Starting point is 01:06:09 You're making our editors literally editing this. He's like, oh my gosh, this guy. Lower third. and then we'll animate a plane. I'm sorry. This is like the most expensive podcast ever now. Literally. Our editor's like,
Starting point is 01:06:22 it's okay. I charge it hourly. Love you, Daniel. But no, I love it. Great. Awesome.
Starting point is 01:06:29 Well, thanks for coming and chatting and I'll leave links to music and all of the fun stuff you have going on. Thank you. This is really fun. I was looking forward to this.
Starting point is 01:06:37 I am a fan of this podcast genuinely. So sweet. Yeah, very cool to be officially on the Squeeze. Look at that. What would that make you? I was going to say a squeezer.
Starting point is 01:06:50 A squeezy. Squeezy? And if we do this right, we could win a squeezy. This will be the first time and not the last time that I'll be here. I have 10 more. Will we say 10 more times? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:07:03 Love it. Didn't we have 10 more times? Everybody saw that. Don't edit that out, Daniel. I love that. Well, thanks. You rock. Thank you for having me.
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