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Episode Date: September 6, 2024

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There's a first thing you'll see In the description of every episode That's right Currently this month Forever For the rest of the season You'll be like, guys That was September 21st

It's now January And we'll be like Did you get your ticket yet? Guess what? Did you get it? And well, another important detail about that event, Adam, which team got the second round pick in the line a trade? Well, I, you know, I, we're already, we've,

we've begun planning the 2026 already at so many words. We've begun planning the 2026 Montreal Canadian second round pick party. And we're thinking, well, we're thinking that maybe we need to be in Montreal for it. And he's used to go to Montreal. It'd be pretty fun, right? The draft's nowhere near Montreal. For their second round pick? Yep.

Hey, when's your night one event? What is it, Jesse? Decentralized. Yeah, it's decentralized anyway. Right, right. Right. Yeah. Isn't that not, like, official?

Mm-hmm. Yeah, but... It's not official official. It's not official official. But it's pretty much official. Yeah. Because the owners are like, we don't want to pay for all those flights.

Yeah. It's a lot of flights. No, let us drink. Well, we could go to Montreal. Yeah, so, like, we can go wherever we want and have the draft. That's right.

And we had a good time in Montreal. That's the best outcome, is we have a hey everyone come here anyway and we have like 5 000 people i've always from all around north oh yeah what would it be like if we booked out the most boston bar and just showed up everybody that bought a ticket you bought it under the uh uh like the the agreement is you buy the ticket you have to wear a leaf jersey but adam we've already done an event at a boston pizza before no no i'm talking about the like a boss oh and like massachusetts baby yeah you know what i mean yeah how would that go the guy has one of those hats you know those hats the peaky blinders

hats yeah yeah peaky blinders hats i'm sure they have another name i think they're the newsboy caps i forget what they're actually yeah yeah yeah i was and he's cleaning with a rusty like a gross cloth no and he serves his beer to you with your his finger in it what's your poison you know i want him to ask me a threatening question though i was i was in boston like three weeks ago and it's a lot more like sodo sopa and liberty village than like dirty irish bar status right that's downtown though yeah i would say downtown yeah you know yeah let's get to the perps i was out in in brookline in that area anybody familiar with boston what it's called it's called brookline there's an area in boston called brookline i didn't know that why did that throw you off

i was like i think it's brooklyn but then i was like nope massachusetts probably not that's in new york um yes it's it's not that you know no so we need to find an area of boston that is that that is extremely boston yeah you know we need to we should talk to like pete blackburn and sarah civian and be like guys where's the most boston place we can find and then we all show up as leaf fans and they're they're gonna be like yeah well sure we'll be there to kick your ass like no no here's what's gonna make them hate it a lot more than the leafs jerseys be like all right our official event is in boston here's the date come on out and join us but it's in peabody and we just keep saying it's in boston right and that because that bothers people

from boston that it says it don't you dare call pickering toronto that pisses some people off but it pisses them off more really that's a peabody i before we get into the actual jesse is that the case i didn't know you were so up to date on like the geography of mr i haven't heard of brookline what boston people get upset about you didn't know where brookline was 10 seconds ago i honestly feel like boston has a worse reputation than when it actually is like rules i i was there and everything is pretty and beautiful and clean that it's it's a mass hole yeah like mass hole is the overarching reputation of the boston sports fan right but boston doesn't give off that vibe generally when you're there

at least as a tourist it doesn't look like the departed unless you're involved in crime that works right yeah if you're involved in crime you're gonna be surrounded by like criminals also these days the Catholics and Protestants don't fight so

much as they used to it's like there's no more tea in the harbor it's fine that's been I mean that was 300 years ago but we're past that it's it's a stressful place to live if you're Matt Damon and you're living a double life

as a police officer slash mafia member. It's stressful. Or if you're a police officer living a double life pretending to be a mafia member. Otherwise, it's fine. What if you get up on a table and you gotta say,

aye, aye, captain. What if it's that? No. What's he talking about? He's talking about, oh, captain, my captain yeah i know what i'm talking about is that a is that a movie isn't it like the dead poets that's robin williams you said i i i know what i said okay yeah yeah it might be worse than brookline but i'm not sure listen i'm open to it being as bad um i uh i want to take you to the biggest uh extension signing of the off season and you know what i love about this extension

is that it is a year out adds an extra year and that's marshall refi i like the of the Toronto Maple Leafs um you see a classic bait and switch uh we will talk a little bit more about Leon Drysaddle later but Marshall Refai 14.4 for Leaf yeah 14.4 don't you forget it also Habs 2026 second round draft pick Marshall Refai has signed he's already under contract for this year but the next two years um he is a going to be a Leaf as well and what's interesting here is I mean he's he's signed a 775 so it's not like it's a crazy amount of money um it doesn't hurt the Leafs if he's with the Marlies who cares whatever but he's big and he lays the boom and he's got some wheels that get him out of trouble uh it sounds like they actually like really like

this guy despite the fact that Sheldon Keefe was like I would rather have an asthma attack than play him like wow if you look at his ice time last year was like five minutes I was like Sheldon he's better than that I think you might be thinking of Max Lajoie well that too I was like what did he ever do yeah what did he do to show no both of them though go look at their ice times They're terrible. Maybe it's a trust thing. When you get it to the wall, it's definitely a trust thing. I think you're confused.

Is it Max Lajoie? Yeah, because Marshall Refai played two games last year. Yeah, but he didn't play much. Lajoie played 30 seconds. He played 11 minutes and 40 seconds. Wait, he did? In two games? Wow, see, five minutes a game.

The hockey reference, Marshall Refai, two games, average ice time, 11 minutes and 40 seconds. That's pretty good. Adam, you can be forgiven for confusing. that is yeah not as big a mistake as the second round no no no no it's just confusing i can live with the line i can also live with that not remembering max lejoie and mike are marshall refi's uh ice time from last year i can live with it a shot on goal a block four hits what a madman you had a good game a good couple games um it's there's it there's an interesting thing like whenever a player is called up it doesn't necessarily um show their place on the depth

the chart no so refi got into games after max la joie did and to me that signifies well one la joie had more nhl experience but two we'd rather refi be playing games and getting more experience and we'd rather develop this player whereas we hired la joie and you know a few other guys this isn't just le joie uh to be like mercenaries basically yeah lagason too a bit like uh he wasn't in the minors for very long but also being in the minors didn't serve him at all you know what i mean yeah like he's already in his mid-20s he's not going to develop much yeah he's 20 i didn't realize he was 26 yeah and harvard signing yes okay undrafted where they did i.i captain yeah like spongebob should we have a marshal refi party in boston a hundred percent

yeah a hundred percent the marshal refi army yeah ends on boston oh you know we need a better name than that that's look we'll work on yeah that's not the marshal refi refi marshal mathers what if i told you there was a game last season where max loser raw played 20 minutes no way i would ask you not believe like whose leg fell off uh against the ducks oh this doesn't count against the ducks in february february 17th uh max lejoie played 20 minutes who got injured sheldon keep actually played him a decent amount 13 minutes 16 minutes 14 10 you guys are remembering obviously the game where he played four minutes against buffalo and seven minutes against the rangers but when he did get in for a substantial amount like sheldon keep played the only

playoff team that he ever played significant minutes against is nashville all the rest of them buffalo they didn't even put up yo look at their record with him in the lineup though yeah almost one or sorry six and one shit and one yeah max lejoie damn let's go yeah this turned into a max lejoie video very quickly um um no like so sorry uh there were a couple players last year where the way the organization talked about them you could tell they really really liked them and you're like okay so why aren't they playing games one of them was miko kokanen and he's a little more obvious he's younger uh early 20s refi not as much but similarly to how the leafs found a financial way to deter teams from claiming martin jones off waivers um you know that 100 000 bonus

that wasn't until you know i think it was right around the season began and teams who claim them off waivers. We're going to have to pay it and stuff like that. And there's incentive for the player to do that as well and join in on the scheme or whatever. Um, Marshall refi, there is enormous, uh, incentive to do this. So here, I just want to read, uh, this tweet from Kyle Cushman. He's so good on prospect stuff per Puckpedia. It's a one-way extension for refi. He'll make 775,000 both years of his new contract. So if I'm not mistaken, a one-way deal means he'll be making that in the minors oh which is nuts right right it's really good and for him but like you said it doesn't even kick in until next year um for a player with two nhl games this is highly

unusual um that will be a big deterrent for any team that might want to claim him this fall like i just said and clearly shows the leafs believe in his upside as an nhl or despite being 26 skating physicality great defensive results in the ahl i think he's a player whenever he gets an extended run so i i it's they're weaponizing you can't weaponize cap space if you don't have it and it's really difficult to get and still be good but this is the leafs finding a way to weaponize money which is what the salary cap does its darndest to prevent um you know that no the haves cannot be the same as the have-nots the teams that are worth you know several billion uh can't be uh just thumping the teams that are worth under a billion so this is the leafs

weaponizing money with a guy who you know might be eighth or ninth on the depth chart but they obviously like him so uh i want to know and i don't know who could figure this out whether it's hockey db or the lead prospects or whatever it's not gonna be me because i don't have the patience these guys are good with data clearly i'm not but how many people in the last five years have gone undrafted and even played a game more than you think are so many no but you got to qualify what you're talking about because do ncaa uh signings count as that well i think they have to right yeah but still that's the i think the number would be a little higher than you and a lot of ncaa players get drafted right it's become that play games lots play regularly like play 50

games or more in their nh that's not what i'm asking though it's few i just think it's really impressive just to even get there i think it is it is it could be it is okay and like great ncaa play especially on a play johnny gaudreau at five nine use him as an example back when the league was draft like when the least were going we need to get freddy gaudreau yeah with our first round pick freddie gauthier freddie gauthier not freddie gaudreau that's yeah uh freddie gauthier with our our our 23rd overall pick yeah or whatever it was hockey i have his hockey gloves uh right now because that's right yeah and and he's hilarious like you know we have to draft him because he's huge you've scored more goals the flames go and they draft johnny gaudreau he's a great example

of a young or a small smallish guy that made it he was in the ncaa they drafted him out of the ncaa uh for you to go to the ncaa still not get drafted and then sign a pro contract and then make it i think is really amazing a better example might be bobby mcmahon like there's a guy who yeah like when it comes to oh there's the draft like he wasn't on like gaudreau was drafted out of university bobby mcmahon was done university and he's like all right hopefully someone signs me yeah and uh trevor moore um i'm i got one for you okay justin brazeau oh no well he was ohl yeah Yeah, undrafted. Yeah, he was OHL.

Sorry, undrafted. It's difficult to think of, though, defensemen. I think the list is far shorter. Okay, that's interesting. It's way shorter. I mean, it sort of makes sense. There's more forward positions, so you need lots of guys plug and play on your fourth line,

stuff like that. It's probably easier to, in a pinch, have someone fill a fourth line role for a few games than it is to have someone fill out a spot in your top six. yeah because they either have to be good at their job and shut down the other team's uh stars uh because even though you're trying to keep them away from the stars the other coach is trying to do the opposite so there's going to be shifts where you're up against mcdavid and mckinnon and etc um it's i think it's more rare to see in defensemen um and that that is exemplified by

the fact that i'm struggling to name one yeah so refi's in pretty elite company it's very cool if you want some numbers currently about uh one 1200 active nhl players amongst those players 157 are undrafted and have played at least one game so it's about 15 that's amazing okay he's less so that's i mean and and the other thing i think that it's that's very cool is that obviously like even if you like whenever we see a seventh round or play a game people are like wow how crazy is that well a miracle what are the odds yeah and then an undrafted guy people are like oh yeah yeah there's another one and it just i think it goes to show too that there is so much development that goes on between the ages of 18 and 23 where a lot of these guys you know when

they do go to the ncaa um they develop into these great players they grow to their bodies they're you know there's so much great skill development in the at the ncaa level to expect that all 18 year olds while this is what you are you're you're an nhl or you're not um i think is i think it's very cool and it's a great way for teams to find that extra little bit of oh i don't have draft capital let me grab some guys from the ncaa really scout that hard and we've got potential there we haven't adjusted our expectations yet to um how scouting is evolving but like what's interesting is now teams i think are getting more willing to draft a player who was draft eligible the year before and went undrafted i'll give you a really good example sean dursey yeah he went undrafted

and then he was a second rounder as a defenseman like that's really good and now look at him no like big money sean in utah everyone's got to be like a million i think where were we on this one yeah you know what i mean um i hate that trade still i know it was useful but if listen i hate that he's not currently i hate that it was derzy that went the other way i like the trade i just hate that it had to be there i hate that we didn't get to have our cake and eat it too exactly we get muzzin and keep derzy yeah imagine imagine a world where muzzin is still playing or it was still playing the last couple of years maybe he's not as great now but like you know he's what he'd be like 35 36 now like he still had good years left muzzin was very useful to the least when he was

when he was healthy he made he made some defensemen look really good who were not oh yeah oh yeah crazy um great um just a couple a couple numbers here um in terms of active players and undrafted in the nhl right now mark giordano he still counts he's technically still active 1149 games played we'll go down the list of the top 10 brendan dylan matt zuccarello chris tanev luke Glenn Denning, Tory Krug, Tyler Johnson, Pierre Edouard, Belmar, Sergei Bobrovsky, Artemi Panarin. That's the top 10 of active players who went undrafted. Other notable names, Marcheseau, Barclay Goudreau, Troy Stetcher, some other names there. In terms of points leaders, I think it's going to be Panarin.

Yeah, it's Panarin, Matsukurelo, Giordano, Marcheseau. I do think it's pretty funny that the vast majority of the players are not defensemen, so I was right in that regard. but the two guys at the top in terms of games played are both defensemen. Yeah, yeah. Hilarious. Giordano and Dillon.

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august one was those were summer drop-ins summer drop-ins okay so this is a the first cj show of the year and the most important thing yanni hockenpah yeah because it's for doing leafs uh yanni hockenpah cj is feeling very optimistic about this and i think this is news when you're it is news when you're looking at the Leafs lineup Yanni Hockenpah fits so perfectly in it for what he brings at one and a half million dollars which is what they apparently mean

to sign him to eventually I still don't totally understand exactly what the plan is here what do you mean like where to play him well they don't have there's some finagling that needs to happen but if I'm not mistaken they have less

than one and a half million dollars in cap space right now uh they claim to have every intention of signing nick robertson yeah which they cannot do if they sign yanni hockenpah um and steven lorenz is here on a pto presumably with the hopes of making the team yeah so how are they going to do all these things well i don't think they're going to do them all and if you're listening guys who need deals like sda still needs a deal no sda was lent to uh simeon durga the leafs have they maintain his rights but he's in the khl no he's not gonna no sign uh any contract with the marlies or i don't know no if he wants to come back here yeah

yeah he played one nhl game and didn't look out of place but no he's in the khl i was at high hopes for i know simeon dude that duo i thought was gonna play together forever it robertson sda was robertson's setup yeah junior yeah and uh i think they might have played a shift together or robertson might have been hurt who knows um and now neither of them are going to be in the lineup for any team in the organization come the beginning of the season unless something changes yeah it's it's weird that yeah they're discussing doing this hawk and paw thing when you have 1.2 million dollars and you got guys to have need guys need money like how where's the money coming from No, it's that whole thing, like, I want a Bugatti.

Okay, but... Like, they don't... Yeah, do I want a Hockenpah? Sure. With what? We can't figure that out right now. What I would like to figure out is what he brings to the team. Like, if he's playing here, what's he going to do?

A six-foot-seven frame and just... Kills penalties. A friggin' beard that squirrels could hibernate in. Yeah. And winter is coming. Yes. They could shove walnuts in there. holy smokes i think there's someone walking up behind me every five seconds because

acorns and walnuts and everything i think it's just acorns are falling off trees right now because winter's coming where were we going with this where oh yeah he's a big bastard you just need big bastards he's six seven and uh i want to say a top 10 heaviest player in the league he's big and right-handed and they don't have a lot of big players and they don't have a lot of right-handed players they need both of them where's he played though like dallas oh like in the leafs lineup yeah so this is what is they already got eight defensemen i'm not all that interested in simone benoit uh being a healthy scratch this season like i know there's got to be some i i mean red wings fans got on us at the beginning of last season for well i guess you've

never heard of a rotation and then when they were rotating justin hall and paying him 40 million dollars a month like uh listen it's not it's not usually how it works no you don't want to you don't want to rotate in your guy who makes three and a half million dollars no you don't no you know what you know who would be a better option than justin hall tonight jeff petrie like at this stage in his career i don't i don't know um well where was it going simone benoit you're making oh yeah yeah yeah like i assume he's gonna have to sit some games but like if you if you look at their decor right now all right we got riley tanev there's your top one um oel uh mccabe i wouldn't be totally shocked to see oel sit an occasional game just because of

age factor um then you have benoit lilligran i totally forgot about the three million dollar guy lilligran and then hockinpah hockinpah is a right shooter simone benoit is a left shooter it makes me think that the the piece here that they're still not sure about is lilligran and i know they re-signed him and and but i i just feel like i should say i should say how i re-shuffle it in my head so the way i reshuffle it in my head is riley tanev mccabe who's a lefty playing on the right uh they would force over to the left oel drops down to the third pair i think they want oel on second pair i think they need a part moving second pair well then you have oel lilligren or something like that or oel hockinpah what about oel and then mccabe lilligren it don't don't

you dare tell me lilligren at three million dollars is going to sit games yeah which he might oh i think he is didn't we didn't we just say how ridiculous it is to sit justin hall when he's making three million dollars and yeah it'll be just as ridiculous when lilligren does i'm not gonna sit here and advocate the leafs to do the same thing yeah no no no the reason i criticize the red wings here just for when this clip eventually yeah is i think it's a bad idea no matter who does it they've actually clipped including the team that i like they're not including this you don't you don't they already they already clipped your hot take man you think they're going to include the part where you're like hey i also think it's a bad idea for us to

no that doesn't play on twitter red wings fans and fans of other teams get off my case you don't dislike the leafs more than me all right they what they haven't hurt you the way they've hurt me all right not since 1993 so adam when you ask like what does hawk and bob bring the team my question is how how does he bring those things to the team well i think he's playing and i think i I think they're trying to push Lilligren and Benoit because – and Hockenpah, I guess, too. But I think they – you know, everybody's like, Timothy Lilligren, this is a year.

We've seen this for the last three years. Like, this is his year. He's pissing me off. And, you know, there are games where you're like, okay, I see it. And I thought last year there were more games where I didn't see it. I want to know what Berube does with this, but I think you've got a pretty solid seven and do you go 11-7 more this year than you ever have

because you are thinner up front. Well, you just drop the left side. Yeah. Like, okay, so why do we need four left wingers when really we only have three good ones? It's really not a terrible idea. Wow. That's a first this year.

Well, it took to the third show. It's not a terrible idea unless you are someone in and around Nick Robertson's life. and then you're like well nick i think i hate you nick has given us the double birds at the moment i'm sure that'll change man cj on the cj show i was listening to it on the way in he said it in a way i i keep going no there's gonna be a resolution here nick's being silly the leafs want him he's gonna stay he's gonna play games it's fine but cj goes well right now he doesn't want to be a maple leaf and when he worded it like that it was the first time i was like anti nick robertson i

I was like, wait a sec. No, no, screw that guy. I hope there are zero Leafs who don't want to be Maple Leafs. What? We should all hope that there are zero guys on our team that don't want to be there. I think it's interesting that this is a Pat Brisson client who is one of the biggest agents in the game. The? And is known as, was it him or Don Meehan that they're the biggest?

I guess it's Pat. No, it's Pat. Jesse Bringup? Doesn't matter. No, no, no. bring up how much money in contracts pat brisson controls it's insane so so we talked a little bit about this we were on a shoot yesterday the three of us and i talked a little bit with steve about this and i wanted to bring it up i think so nick robertson made his trade request public or his

camp made the trade request public it's still not known who did it whether it i don't think it came from his agent i don't know and i know it didn't come from him directly so i don't know who it is but what i'm wondering is did he do it too early because if he had waited to see how the summer played out he wouldn't have if you if he walks back a trade request now which was very public on one of the biggest days of the year july 1st you walk that back now you look kind of weak even though people move on sometimes it is a pride thing i think debruska is doing okay yeah yeah Yeah, well, it's because here's what they did with Boston. Jake DeBrus said, yeah, that's cool.

See you in September. He requested two times to be traded, and they said no. And then he finally rescinded the trade request when they were first, and he's like, okay, fine, I'm happier. The Leafs have also said no. Well, and I think that's, I mean, the difference is that Robertson's not under contract. But I wonder if, and every player is different in every way, I think that maybe they misplayed their trade request here

because maybe they thought, well, yeah, I understand them being pissed off about being scratched in game seven. I get it. I also understand why Sheldon Keefe had him in the doghouse for shitty defensive play, which is obvious. And I was a Nick Robertson booster all last year. You guys remember that? Yeah.

But I have to say that I think that this was somebody acting of their own volition, a little bit of a wild card shoot from the hip moment that perhaps they would maybe want back now because i look at this and i go you've you don't have there's no incentive for the leafs to trade them what do they get third pick fourth pick i think they drafted him get a third yeah so that's no no not interested um if you go to the leafs lineup right now uh and it was looking like they were going to go after a guy like david perron or or some of the other you know wingers that were out there until they just flat out ran out of money maybe keep tyler bertuzzi i think that

they thought they could keep tyler bertuzzi i don't know how they thought that but i think they thought they could i don't know how you go from we're gonna give tyler bertuzzi like five million bucks to oh okay well then we just won't make changes up front then well i think they they as you said with hawk and paw here ran out of money um but i i would look at it and i would say let's wait and see how this summer plays out because there could be an opportunity here and they didn't bertuzzi i don't even think signed till july 2nd i'm not sure he ended up doing fine Bertuzzi did great, but my point is I don't think Nick knew that he had the opportunity that is now in front of him.

You get to be in Toronto. The spotlight is on you. You're on Hockey Night in Canada every Saturday night. We've seen guys come here like Tyler Ennis, Mason Raymond, rehab their careers and get millions of dollars elsewhere, actually both times in Alberta, right after playing for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and those were bad Leafs teams.

Well, at least the Mason Raymond one was. And I look at Robertson's thing, and I'm like, yo, man, just come in, put 18 in the net. You're going to be traded. they'll trade you find a one-year deal put 18 goals in the net or play some strong defense and and try not to get lit up as much like don't get blown up every fucking every game man every single game nick's nick i i i really like his skill set his skating needs work and he gets run over like a freight train a lot adam i think you're being naive here uh you know what could

also happen is they could keep him he plays really well and instead of trading him they offer him millions of dollars to stay oh boo ew hiss gross i hate it oh what a bad and they need some finishers in the lineup and he is he's got a great shot what a bad result that a lot of like common hockey fans are going to relate to and sympathize with i think they will i think people can understand the position he's in but i think that they overplayed their hand here i under listen i understand being upset at a team for taking uh opportunities away from you that you think you deserved absolutely understand that i've been young and full of fire and and i should i should have been ahead of this person for this opportunity and that i was yeah absolutely i've been jealous and young

too but i've also i've also been able to look ahead of me and go there's an opening here like isn't that like how old's robertson 22 yeah isn't that half of what being 22 is well going oh shit i'm next up like if if he were under contract and the season began tomorrow here's what i would roll out uh nice top line left wing robertson second line i'm serious mcmahon third just because i think he's more suited for a third line he's a better overall player but he's more suited for a third line role i'd i would probably end up giving mcmahon more minutes but i would have robertson on the second line. More McMinutes on the third line. I like that. And then fourth

line, I'll be totally honest. I don't give a shit. 11-7. There is no third line left or fourth line left wing. Stephen Lorenz, who you refused to do a video on. I did. Because he's not signed! Here's what I think. If he signs, I'll be there.

Then you can talk at least like how we played in the training camp. There'll be meat on the bone for a video. No, no. Adam wants me to like... Okay, just nibble. yeah not the board whatever that is suck out the marrow yeah you guys talked about you you quickly talked about there it's like oh do you see the opportunity at what point jesse and steve last year was nick robertson a can't fucking miss you have to be to to take that next step you have to

be uh i the coach you literally cannot give them a choice at what point was he that he wasn't sorry i got stuck on another thought the bone marrow but they relate okay that not the bone marrow um so i'm trying to think of ways you can get angry right which i can relate to like okay robertson's asking out because he's angry right so okay here's my strength then as a fellow angry guy okay what could he be angry about what's a situation where he goes you know what that does it scratched in game seven scratched in game seven Bruin scored one goal in regulation before overtime and what line was on the ice the fourth and who was out there it was Noah Greger now Noah Greger took his spot in the lineup if I'm not mistaken but Robertson was never

on that line no so i don't think it's that but you know what would have been helpful as a way to play in game seven is if your stat line didn't read six zero zero zero you didn't do anything oh the coach didn't play where should the coach have played you you know what i mean like okay he we we talked about how he played one marner he played one fewer game than mitch marner but had one fewer shots one more shot or one more shot i can't remember if it was one more or one fewer did any of them go in no were they great who knows so i have to look go back and look so then so then we're trying to figure out the timing So you and I had a very interesting conversation yesterday

because you said Robertson declared or asked for his trade too early. I think he asked too early. I said he asked for it too late. And the reason I say that is I think if you say it before the draft, you give the Leafs, I mean, everyone's in the same building, Robertson, Robertson, Robertson, what do you all think of Robertson, robertson robertson and then you give them more opportunity to do business for you i think if he had done that there's a greater opportunity there's a greater chance that some team would

have traded for you rather than sign some journeyman yep all the spots like if you pull up the sharks the ducks the if you pull up the dregs of the nhl standings you're not forcing people out no you're not meanwhile there's like a almost slam dunk playoff team here how are they going to do in the playoffs let's be honest we have no idea the evidence we have no idea but the real answer is evidence shows probably shit yeah you have an opportunity here now where adam and i agree i said he did it too uh late i said too early you said too early here's the real answer not july fucking first yeah what's the matter with you don't walk it and and now he's got a if he's gonna play he's got to walk it back and and and then then to add

on to this guys and this is where i think things get really interesting is you have a 19 year old easton cowan who is a left shooting right wing who's about to lap you who could take that top six role if nick robertson was going to camp the least could probably say you know what let's even though Easton had 96 points in 54 games for the Knights and won the championship and he's got nothing else to prove at that level. Let's give him one more year or even two more years

because we don't need him. We don't need him. We want him to develop. I don't know where he's at at his development curve, but think about this. Nick Robertson could have that role, but if Easton Cowan goes to camp and Nick Robertson's not there and Easton Cowan takes that role, guess what at least the first nine games of the season are going to look like?

If Fraser Minton, who I'm convinced tops out as like a third line center which is great I don't know I don't hate that they could use one right now

if Frazier well I think he's gonna make the team what are they gonna do with center depth I'm like Frazier man I look at I look at the Easton Cowan

piece of this and go Nick if you don't jump in now that guy's coming to take your spot and when Easton Cowan does and I think he will cause I think this

this guy from everything that I've read and heard and every every scouting report that this guy is one of the most determined players that they've ever seen.

I think Nick Robertson is leaving money on the table. It's that serious. If he comes in, Nick Robertson comes in and scores 18 to 20 goals, and I think he's a 20-goal scorer in the NHL. He's got flaws in his game. He's still got time to improve them. Nick Robertson is a, what, $3.5 million, $4 million player

at 20 goals a game? Nah. Or 20 goals a season? Is that crazy in a $100 million cap role? As a UFA, it's not crazy at all. As an RFA, okay, maybe two and a half. right all right two and a half million sounds like a lot of money to me i'll take it i'll take it especially for playing hockey that sounds great nick robertson for me just doesn't do enough

on the in the box score and on the ice besides put in a couple goals every now and again to justify everything that's going on right now it's worth mentioning that a few of them were in dog shit games right no yeah you're gonna get more ice time yeah no like he had he had that stretch at the latest at the end of last season where over the course of eight games he had four goals and two assists like awesome but he didn't really he doesn't provide much else like you don't see him fill up a bunch of blocks on the on the in the box score a bunch of hits or anything like that and then his his judgment in terms of just his awareness his hockey sense it needs so much improvement he's not there yet as an NHL or so for for Nick like I don't understand where all

this is coming from because he's not that type of player yet i i completely agree and i think that's where um jesse i think that's where this is his opportunity right now yeah and if he and if steve steve made a good point if you go and you look at the other teams around the nhl even the worst ones this is the time don't don't fumble this don't fumble this because this the leafs will sit you on this one i don't think they're messing around anymore with this one of the things we were talking about like okay we were talking about getting a third for him you're not getting a third so like if the option is like get a fourth for robertson or sit him i'd rather fuck your career up like i'm i'm serious that's how the least would look at it

that's a hundred percent no no as me i'm cheering for i want the player to get all the money and score all the goals and i'm gonna pretend the salary cap doesn't exist so i hope he signs for five um years and million in case you were wondering um but that's a fairy tale land that does not exist um they have a the money that we're talking about going to hockinpah ought to be going to robertson at like a relatively reasonable cap hit um like connor doer scored at a similar goal scoring pace we don't know that as leafs fans to hockinpah or robertson robertson well sorry with with minnesota robertson yes with the leafs hockinpah right right right for some like that all of that went away could have used one in game seven when he had

that breakaway shit um like that guy's making over connor doer is making over a million dollars well so the other thing that that as an rfa yes because he's a valuable piece of their their pk and i think they're trying to rebuild their pk their pk was a problem robertson pk and junior yeah but he i know at the nhl level robertson isn't that useful like that that's what i was trying to say like he doesn't provide penalty kill help in those respects he doesn't provide help in the other aspects of the ice so i for him to sit out and expect so much more from the least the least need to sit here and say no prove it to us that you are more useful to us the fact that robertson isn't an nhl regular isn't entirely his fault it's also not entirely the leaf's fault it's your

bones broke you know you got injured and stuff and like you got to run before you can walk and some of that like his um one of the most we were talking about this yesterday and what brought it up was Nikolai Kuliman which I guess we'll get to but uh Gus Katsaros came on our our podcast I don't even years 40 years ago the show's probably not even still yeah and so long ago he was talking about um skating and you know what makes a good skater and and he was talking about there's players out there who look like they're working hard every shift and maybe they are but they look like they're working harder than everyone else because they're skating inefficiently yep yep and the player that we used as an example was Nikolai Kuliman who skated like

have more on him later he was skate he skated like he kayaked like busy feet well just imagine someone you know how you gotta row with a kayak right yeah it's not necessarily the feet it's his body is going all over the freaking place he's got to spend so much more energy to move the same speed and same distance as someone who knows how to skate better and i mean cool him in turn he had a fine nhl career made a bunch of money in the khl he might be back in the nhl at 38 years old what a freaking miracle but like robertson as a as a small guy you got to be freaking fast and i go wow he looks like a mini coolman out there sometimes he does and he's such a funny fit on the leafs a team that doesn't shoot enough he could be great for that there's so many times

where I'm like, shoot that damn puck. And then he does. He's the one player on the team you don't have to ask to shoot. Which I love. Maybe Matthews. Wouldn't that be great? Let's say Nylander and Matthews

and Nyes are playing together. You could have Max Domi and Mitch Marner setting you up. But every player on the team, I'm like, shoot! And him, I'm like, no, are you sure? Why? He's got a great shot.

He does have a great shot. Well, it's funny. there there are times there was a goal last season i'm trying to remember who it was against it was like high slot and i remember being like that is a low percentage shot that so few people on the planet can score the way you scored it but you scored because your shot is a weapon like he was off balance like one foot i'm trying to remember who it was against he it's a bullet the reason he shoots shots that maybe don't always look like a good choice is because he has confidence in his shot and it's because he should you know but what i'm trying to

say i was pointing out the skating is like listen i keep talking about the the the covid factor with players drafted 2018 1920 um who's had their development fucked up more than that kid oh yeah yeah like you were and and like some good some bad like you were over a goal it came in junior in what should have been your second last year in junior he had another year of eligibility if i'm not mistaken then the world stops and they changed they literally changed the rules and the playoffs are in freaking august and he gets to play playoff games for the leaves in a year where they technically did not qualify for the Stanley Cup playoffs.

And that's great. Then they changed the rules again. He also got injured. He also got injured. Then they changed the rules again, though. You can now play in the AHL in a year where you are not eligible to. You are a North American skater

under the age of 20. You are not eligible to play in the American Hockey League. Global pandemic. Guess what? That's now legal. and your contract uh what is it slides your ELC slides so he's in the American Hockey League I assume making a professional salary a year ahead of when he was supposed to so oh they took that opportunity away from me and this and that and that okay well let's not also lose sight of what

also fell into your lap but why it why he might lose sight of those things is each of his first two years as a professional got fucked up by injuries and he played very few games and during that time where you weren't playing games you weren't on the ice and you weren't able to work on things that would make you an nhl regular today on this team it's difficult to explain to someone who's competitive and fiery and passionate and young that you got to settle down a little bit here you don't want to tell a competitor in a competitive space to settle down but he's got to settle down you can't let your ambition eat you alive either it pushes you but you cannot let it kill you it's unreasonable to ask what he's asking for when the solution is

looking him dead in the face the solution it dude there's a there the guys ahead of you are dude who's younger than you in Matthew Nye's Bobby McMahon who is a by all accounts a miracle he's in the NHL 12 months ago Bobby McMahon was no one

we were not talking about him in September nobody and look what he did with an opportunity he was waived waived and then who else is there Holmberg who is not a full time winger no and doer who's the same it's there nick and he can play both wings like we're losing sight of

that like the leafs problem at left wing i think i think maybe they bring um yarn croak over to the left domi can play the right when he was with matthews he was playing the right so there's an option but it's right it's right there it's no there might not be a team in the league that needs you more and and lucky you they own your rights and you won't sign here yeah i don't get it two things nick robertson skating he according to nhl edge he had zero bursts over 35 kilometers per hour last season he is in the below 50th percentile in 32 kilometer bursts to 35 kilometer bursts and 29 kilometer bursts to 32 kilometer bursts he's not very fast for his position does nhl edge keep track of uh how many times a player got pancaked no i don't they don't but uh based

on the numbers from the nhl and their skating tracking he is not one of the quickest as per steve dangle's assessment of his kayak skating other thing um in terms of his shots on goal and him always getting pepper and shots on goal oh what did you want well no i'm just for all his flaws i'm looking at those stats and i know he played what was it 54 games i think some uh 56 56 14 goals 13 assists 27 points gosh darn yeah yeah that's that's a nearly 20 goal roughly 40 point player in a regular season every team in the league needs that the 14 every team in the league the 14 goals were done on a relatively high shooting percentage it was 14 point something percent which is not that high it's it's it's it's not crazy high but it is hard to be in that

i would expect yeah i would expect it also to be more he was nine the year before that we didn't play a bunch of games obviously yeah shot developing as he gets older i'd expect it to be in like 12 range so you knock two percent what's his career not that big of a difference it's a little skewed because like i said it was nine the year before oh right a little skewed um in terms of shots uh shots on goal per game for nick uh 1.7 shots per game mitch marner in comparison shot 2.2 shots per game i would like shots per 60 because marner's ahead of him shots per game shots per 60 Nick is probably close to double and this isn't a criticism like Marner is a no I just think it's a fun comparison on Mitch Marner who we think should shoot more and Nick Robertson who

uh we he shoots a lot you know one of the things they're getting all similar shots per game one of my pet projects is uh looking at like power play shots per 60 for the Leafs over the past few years and what's going wrong and comparing it to the regular season. Marner, Matthews, Tavares. Can I bring up another name? They all plummet. Can I bring up another name? Sure.

On the left side that nobody's talking about? Give me. Alex Nylander. He's not under NHL contract. He'll be at camp. He'll play exhibition games. He scored 11 goals in Twitter. I know he had a bad year with the Pittsburgh Penguins.

I get it. Five games, no goals. 23 games, 11 goals with the Columbus Blue Jackets. It's another... Listen, he might not be the guy that takes that job. Three Shire Robertson. But it's yet another person that could take what should be Nick Robertson. It's possible.

Oh, Jesse's covering it. Shots on goal. Shout out moneypuck.com. Always great for the advanced stats. Shots on goal per 60 minutes. Do you want shots attempts per 60 or shots on goal? On goal. Shots on goal per 60 minutes.

Nick Robertson, 9.04. Holy shit. what do you think mitch marner's number is okay where does robertson rank on the team sixth that's pretty high uh so 9.4 9.04 shots on goal per 60 minutes marner six 6.46 damn well done that's 10th on the team in terms of shots on goal per 60 minutes so yeah Per 60 minutes, right? Like it's not, Robertson's a shooter. He's a shooter.

Anyway, all that to say, like, okay, his development got screwed up in the minors because of COVID and he got injured. You can't go back and change the past. The option in front of you is learning on the fly in an NHL lineup. And there's a team right there willing to provide you with that opportunity. They want you to. They literally want you to, and you don't want it back. There's a pride element here. They'll have to walk back.

Nah. In terms of the fans, Nick, if you're worried about any of that stuff from a fans perspective, show up tomorrow, and we don't care about this whole thing. The perfect solution for all of this is what you've outlined, Steve. You earn your role on the left wing, and you play 82 games, and you're a winger for the Leafs. We'd all just love that to happen. The team is going to... Here's what's going to happen opening night, right?

They're going to announce the team like they always do every opening night. And the excitement is going to build as they get towards the end of the lineup because Matthews is going to be there. But you know who's going to be right before him? Number 89. Because you've got such a high number.

And do you think they're going to boo you? No! Boo! Oh, we love you. Like, I advocated for him. no you but you signed he's gonna get yeah also like water on the bridge under the bridge for like in terms of management like this shit happens all the time oh yeah it's like yeah you can just sign here and you're fine like it's cool this might be wasted breath if he ends up being a

part of a trade package that's like a larger thing yeah other than like it's not just him getting traded for a draft pick which i don't think helps anybody other than him and i could understand why he would want that but you have to understand why the leaves wouldn't from an organization perspective it doesn't make sense just to help out your player and lose a teal yeah like if a bigger move is coming here fine good luck it doesn't look like that's walking through the door um so you have a choice here i've heard nothing but good things about switzerland as a place to live well i was going to bring up that one last thing before we move on to a couple other notes uh you if you go and you play in europe that the risk that you run is if you look

mediocre it devalues you yeah so that's why i don't think i think the leafs know that they're probably like okay yeah go and if you if you're great then we have leverage and we could trade you if you're bad then it reinforces our point that there's work to do here and i think you got or mediocre you can't see nick can't go to europe and be mediocre he'd have to light it up it's very difficult to come back well that too it's if you go to europe and i'm not talking khl i'm talking Zurich's got a nice team. I'd love to know what percentage of players, not counting the 2013 locker or 2012 locker that's cheating,

what percent of players go to Europe? They're in the NHL. They're NHL players. Then they go to Europe and they're able to come back. Dennis Malgan. It's a short list. Okay, there's one. You know what I mean?

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there obviously it's a contract year uh i think he i think mitch marner if he had truth serum would admit that even though the points were there he had a really slow start last year and um uh and probably you know why if you're mitch and you're looking at this i like if if if i were you and i'm doing hockey fantasy no one will let me in their hockey fantasy pool i don't know why but i my one of my first picks would be mitch marner that guy is going to put up a bazillion points this year he's i wouldn't be shocked to see him break gilmore's record me neither not at all i'm not kidding he's gonna have his best year as a leaf if there's no injuries he's gonna have the best year he's ever had record is 127 um he could do it marner marner uh he's never cracked 100 but

And Crosby were in Vail, Colorado. Vail, Colorado. That was from Friedman. Yeah. Oh, great. So that means, oh, no, no. See, here's the thing. East Coast is a little bit more laid back.

But if you're working out in Colorado with Nathan McKinnon, you are in Nate's territory. Nothing but chickpea pasta. Fuck all that shit. Here, what do you want to talk about? Is it something other than hockey? Then fuck you. I'm Nathan McKinnon.

he's no we save one we save the chocolate bars for the offseason boys he nope one of the least well-adjusted human beings in the league because of how driven he is yeah and i think that's great and i want the players on everyone should want their players to be with someone as disturbed as nathan mckinnon yep disturbed in a good way at least adjusted yes he's not disturbed like magnifying glassing ants, but he would magnify glass a puck into a net if he could. Nathan McKinnon is a lunatic. Yep.

He's a lunatic. Yep. You should all want your players to be in and around that influence. Leafs are, and we knew this, I think, we knew that the Leafs really liked McCabe. Can I just read this piece that was a bit on McKinnon, just because if we move on too quickly,

it won't be relevant anymore but there was a a big read done on mckinnon's um training and there was a little background on uh veil colorado and the setup that they have i just want to pull it up here give me one second so this was uh sportsnet big reads last couple of years in veil colorado the annual summit is a who's who of the nhl so this is what mitch marner attended crosby taylor hall jeff skinner jason spezza and john taveras this was obviously not written this this season but beyond the famous names and cornucopia of hockey skills it's a collection of all-around athletic talent probably without equal i would say uh all-star games or the olympics regardless of discipline this is what i wanted to highlight it's a seemingly it's also seemingly made up

of almost entirely type a personalities sydney crosby was o'brien's first name nhl client the foundation of the trainer's reputation the business so that's the trainer who's doing all the stuff those who turn out for the intensive camp are the few who could in any way measure themselves against crosby the few who could regard him uh not just as an inspiration but as an example to which they they can aspire so like everything we're just saying about nathan mckinnon and chickpea pasta of everything it's true and if unless you are just like that you don't get the invitation to veil and you don't come play like this is awesome not every player in the nhl like the nhl is where the best hockey players in the world play not every player in the nhl would

survive a nathan mckinnon training you gotta be this type of teammate yeah not every player would survive a nathan mckinnon season look at ryan johansson you're gonna discover you like carbs more than winning yeah yeah yeah and that's okay i relate i get it but i get it who's the rating heart trophy winner chickpea pasta guy that'd be pasta guy yeah how are you gonna look this man in the face and say you're not doing what's right like i again so influential damn it the last dance uh i was like i don't understand michael jordan as a person i don't understand and there were basketball players who his teammates who didn't understand him and didn't like him they didn't like him and he made himself jordan's an asshole he's an

asshole like a genuinely probably not that great of a person listen that's not why I had his poster on the wall yeah that's not why yeah no he sticks his tongue out when he dunks which is all the time by the way um but I like I don't understand it and that's because

I'm not him I I there are so few people and we're shocked I know to hear you admit it I know we all Matt Maddy's losing it at the idea of you're not Michael Jordan no what i'm getting at what i'm getting at is the conversation that we often have yes yes where

we're like why would a hockey player why would nick robertson be so unreasonable when an opportunity is looking him in the face we just went back to that i know no but like it's because all right i can't use michael no no it's because they're not adjusted well yeah i agree yeah well they say that about crosby too it's like they say like like it's it's tough to talk to him about anything but hockey hey hey how about this how about this i'll use it i'll use me as an example okay i could have stayed at my cushy job at sportsnet yeah i was under contract i was making good money and i was making videos for a living and you're having fun yeah yeah fuck it i wanted to do my own thing i get it because i had it in me i was arrogant and enough of a lunatic

that i was like no i'm gonna run my own media business in canada with my pals in a market that might as well be on fire yeah and it's gonna go great yeah inflation's gonna be bad for the next two to three years what could go wrong the easier thing to do would have been stay at my job yes but there were enough reasons where i was like no i'm gonna do the hard one because i just i had that mindset and look at that and now we're just here giving you shit all right is am i a suitable comparison for me is that okay can i use me i don't know um leafs are uh leafs are talking extension with jake mccabe according to elliot freeman that's not really a surprise i think leafs management loves him and if you watch him play hockey uh how can you not he's awesome

i want to move on to a couple of other things because we did spend a little more time on robertson than i thought so there was a bunch of things that i did want to hit that i'm going to throw out the window very quickly ottawa senators uh uh have invited nicolai kuhlman and kaylan addison by the way to camp and uh from what is out there it's looking like he's got a pretty good shot to make it uh kaylan addison uh which i know is where you wanted to go absolutely uh no i he's just really quick like he was once a pretty highly touted prospect i want to say second rounder scott wheeler was really big on him and around the time when he was drafted if you got him in nhl uh he in the video game right improve he would progress into like a really good

nhl player and that is the be all end all damn it that's how i for many years judge players that's literally how i i get up to date on like current like draft picks on like their projections i'll We're like, oh, in the NHL, they're projected to be like a B prospect. I'm like, oh, maybe. We should all, everyone should get Kyle Wellwood. Yes. Because according to the NHL gaming franchises, he tops out as Paul Correa. Yeah, his shot in the video game is always unreal.

And he's the fastest player on earth. Little guy can score Paul Correa. That's what he. But you were talking about Kalen, honestly. Yeah, sorry. So he could be good for the Sens. Nikolai Kuhlman. fascinating he hasn't played in the nhl for i think it was eight years 2018 was the last time

he suited up for the oh so okay so not eight six close it's pretty closer to eight than not i might have got confused because he's 38 yes he's six years he hasn't played since he's 32 if i'm not mistaken he's a john ferguson junior draft pick with the leafs from the uh the famed 2006 draft so is is cool i mean like who's he kicking out of the lineup because i i looked at the Sens lineup and I was like I didn't know they were in need of 38 year old Kuhlman okay Noah Greger is the really funny answer Michael Amadio would be funny too Amadio's straight up good yeah that's what I'm saying yeah Ridley Gregg no Zach Zach McEwen Ostapchuk Zach McEwen Zach McEwen here's what I think he is he's veteran they the senators said remember they were going

after Tanev at the trade deadline they said we are looking for good they need good smart veteran brains to set a culture and I know that Nikolai Kuliman is not going to walk in there and be like I'm the captain now and I'm going to leave whatever but you look at Jesse if you might bring that back up again yeah so so obviously Claude Giroux has always been that but I look at a guy like David Perron who's known for that as well and if you have Nikolai Kuliman who is setting the tone for younger guys and maybe he's not playing every night i don't see i don't look at that lineup and go well they better take zach mckeown or noah gregor out i think somebody's going to get injured and inevitably that is and coolman's injury insurance who can the guy can

he's got an inefficient stride we already talked about that maybe it's maybe it's more efficient now because he's 38 and smarter but the point is that he was a total when he was at his best in the nhl he could score and he was a bastard and i think that's exactly what the sense need to be He could have stayed, but I don't know. I'm going to go home and make good money. He made a decision that I don't think anyone really blames him for making. Nope. And he's good enough.

He's a good enough player that he has the option at 38 years old that an NHL team is willing to give him a shot. Oh, yeah. Like, what a feather in his cap. Now, one thing I'm going to caution against. I can't remember what KHL team he played with last year, but he was sixth on that team in scoring. the guy who was fourth is josh levo and scoring in the khl is not like apples to apples and it

doesn't necessarily mean levo better than coolman that's not how it works but uh he still has a big body he has nhl experience i'm willing to bet that a player who plays in the top six in the khl if they're of a certain mindset and it's not just score score score which we know he has a decent two-way game a top six player in the khl if they're of a decent mindset i think the majority of them could competently fill out fourth line nhl minutes is it on the stanley cup winning team i don't know but like the sends were bottom half of the nhl last year and i think he could easily play games and not look at a place how many like it's not as crazy on the ducks today A lot of them.

You know. Kuznetsov, there's one. There you go. Scored today. I also thought it was cool that Brooke Henderson and the Ottawa Senators have signed a sponsorship agreement. Brooke Henderson, the best Canadian golfer right now. Her and, I guess, Adam Taylor. But Brooke Henderson is going to be wearing like Senators gear at tournaments and stuff like that.

Yeah, they did a collab. Yeah, I think that's really cool. That is what the Senators need to be doing. Yes. start spotlighting hometown people that have made it on the world stage and you know it's a little bit of like it's a little bit of a um a little bit of a reach to like drake in toronto and i know but you know what i'm saying like go and associate yourself the leafs with bieber right like go associate yourself with these massive names that'll help your brand out there

yeah but like make them cool you know you know what actually makes that um that comparison more relevant there's a there's millions of people who like drake there's millions of people who like bieber there's also millions of people who hate drake and millions of people who hate bieber so i think for all the people that they bring in there's also a bunch of people who are like why are you bringing in those clowns i don't think there's a huge group of people who are like i don't care for brooke henderson she makes me upset yeah how dare you all that winning and that being kind to people did anyone look at that news and go i don't care for that no and i think in ottawa it's a big deal right i don't care for that that's actually negative to me i was trying to see i

think they like it if they had any merch collab like out or but it's just the announcement yeah yeah i think they're gonna wait for the start of the year or maybe they they literally just made the announcement and it's gonna take some time to get that shit up off the ground because you gotta do it properly and it might just be more on her side where she's just like wearing the logo and stuff at the tournaments and not so much from like a fan perspective or where we can buy burke henderson times ottawa senators merch you know yeah we thought about your feedback and that's why we're launching an ambassador program with jake and logan paul well it's people like them yeah um they also hate them but you know uh i wanted i wanted to show this picture too

this just goes to show how intense um and amazing columbus blue jackets fans are often the forgot forgotten market in the nhl um and frankly you know a team that has had very limited success and its existence in the NHL, but that doesn't mean that the fans aren't great. And this is a picture of the vigil for Johnny Goudreau. I believe it was yesterday. And you just can't believe the throngs of people. Look at this.

Wow. Isn't that amazing? Wow. Oh my goodness. That's from Mark Scheig, who is a great reporter for the Columbus Blue Jackets. Really like Mark a lot. And what a picture.

And I just think that I thought that was worth spotlighting for no other reason other than what the outpouring of love for this person and what he brought to the game and his brother and their families has been quite something. And that picture kind of shows it. Julian also had a video that went around that went semi-viral of the vigil outside of the Saddle Dome. In Calgary. People love this guy. You know, CJ nailed it. He was talking about it on the CJ show. You know, a life cut short, obviously, but just a life well lived.

Yes. You know what I mean? I don't think you live a life with the goal of having thousands of people mourn you. Yeah. But I think if they do, it's probably a sign that you did something right over the course of uh a long period of time look yeah there's the scenes at calgary that is unbelievable beautiful wow beautiful that's unbelievable this is gonna be an emotional season man yeah for both fan bases i think so no this they they deserve to be honored like this for such a senseless tragedy this needs

to be ongoing for months and years and we're gonna see some sort of i assume jersey retirement in columbus and calgary we'll see how that goes and so many more tributes from nhl players yeah and teams as we said we'll follow the story as it comes but uh big shout outs to both calgary and columbus for the unbelievable showings and it just uh shows that so much about hockey is about what brings us together rather than what splits us apart um i am gonna make a you know gonna have to make a bit every time we do this i'm not gonna say this every time but it is difficult to transition out of a segment like that into another one when we're talking about contracts but no like but it is you taught me this years ago like i was like well you gotta do it daintily and you're like

no you don't you just go hard right turn this is what we gotta do yeah and if you're interested on more coverage of the vigils uh aaron porn's line and julian mckenzie collabed on an article in the athletic uh covering both the vigil in columbus and calgary it's a fantastic well the tenor of it isn't fantastic but it's a very good read they did a fantastic job with the article i don't like or respect either of those writers I was just about to say. I'm kidding. I was just about to say, I love both those guys.

I love Julian McKenzie. It's a good read. Leon Dreisaitl's contract. 14.4. 14.4. $14 million contract. Here, before we get to the Oilers, is there any more Leafs stuff we can speak to? No, there is no more Leafs stuff.

But we did give the Leafs stuff people wanted. Would rank 92nd in overall contracts in the NFL. would rank 99th in the MLB in overall contracts in terms of highest paid and 117th in the NBA. To put that in perspective, an NFL rights deal

for TV in the United States is $6 billion when you total it all up. Per year. Per year. And that's not worldwide rights, but $6 billion just in the US. NBA is $2.66 billion.

mlb is 1.5 billion nfl's so fucking huge nhl is six point or 625 million gee now people will say well it is that much less popular and they're right and remember you can always ask why yeah well it's not as big all right it's not the i don't think you're making the point is it a bad sport no it's not a bad sport does it not have superstars yes it as superstars what could it be we're not going down that road today don't worry i know it's an exhausting conversation i also thought it was interesting uh and was that the nfl has six billion dollars in in tv deals uh yet only 91 players make more than 14 million dollars a year it's because there's so many people on the roster where's the not have a union the nba has a 2.66

billion dollar tv rights deal all you know all all said and they have 117 or 116 guys that make more than Leon Dreisaitl. The roster's like a quarter of the same. And I think that's probably why. But your point about why the NHL's TV rights are in that situation and the contracts are in that situation, it wasn't always like this.

No, it wasn't. The NHL was so far behind these leagues and that's the main thing we should be focusing on. Games were on a channel for fishing for like a decade. Versus, like what the hell was that? But there was a moment where the NBA and the NHL were comparable in terms of popularity and dollars being brought in.

and it's not like the nhl product is less entertaining than the nba product i would i would argue a basketball game watching an nba game is just as entertaining as watching an nhl game i think both of them are just entertainment level similar it's about the growth of the game over the last 30 years i think the people who run the nhl have failed at it yes and they've fallen behind these other leagues and it's a shame to see yeah look how much money we've made wow let's all pat ourselves on the back don't ask how much everybody else made don't ask literally for a billionaire, sports is can't miss

and we've made the least amount of improvement. Hey, don't you see how the number keeps going up? I've been to a grocery store. You're not impressed. It's called inflation. How much money

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So a listener of the show, I believe, Bretzky underscore 84 tweeted this. This is a more fun stat. So, Leon Dreisaitl has signed for $14 million. Okay. Flat? He says if McDavid signs at $15.97 million, their AAV would be $29.97. No way! Really?

Isn't that nuts? I hope he does that. I'd rather have the $3,000. That's a discount. That is a discount. McDavid for under $16 million is a discount. That's a discount. It is.

it is that would be kind of sick if you're gonna have jersey numbers in your in your number if you're gonna do it it's just a way of would it make you actually no i wouldn't it's a way of contractually kissing leon on the forehead yeah fair enough i don't know i just thought that was neat what if one of them moved on one day and they're like ah we did all that oh we did all that have money on the table and then we traded leon you know yeah but we're talking we're talking what what is that he'd be leaving 3 000 a year on the table yeah i don't think you think it's 16 mcdavid or whatever it is i think mcdavid should be between 16 and 16 and a half i think 17 years from now two years from now yeah it's oh it's 18 okay so here's

here's here's what we have to work on dry sidle 14 okay who's better leon or connor connor connor okay good so we're there uh it's two years in the future okay so cap goes up and let me just do some calculations yeah 16 would be a discount i think connor mcdavin making 18 18 of a team's cap i think any team would take that uh-huh any team is going to take that my and maybe he does give the others a discount because he's a good guy but he doesn't have to my bet is 18 flat or 17 8 i don't know why you know what that's but i think that's in there i'm sure all the guys that he's working with too like you think like he was having whatever he was photographed having dinner with matthews recently because they were doing

some sort of event together and whatever uh like all those guys you got to think i've got to talk a little bit and be like listen we got to push these butt butt heads up they don't agent don't there mcdavid and matt uh they do know yeah oh mcdavid switch because matthew's no jeff jackson was mcdavid's agent and now he's his boss now he's his boss with the oilers and judd moldaver took over mcdavid yeah yes oh man what a client oh my god i know imagine being handed connor he's already one of the highest paid players but don't worry there's more yeah i think they're the same agency so that's probably why you're gonna see them a lot more things together like that christmas card might be greased just just a little bit i don't think

judd needs to do any other work other than those two yeah no i'm good yeah um okay four players can hit 1 000 points this year jesse and steve name them i saw this so i won't participate can you remember it connor mcdavid that is correct bard marshand bard is number two yeah did devars hit a thousand yes yeah he did remember i told him that member against the new york islanders oh yeah that was a great night yeah it's a great night um has patrick kane hit a thousand he must have yes yeah he hit it yeah um so we're looking at Someone drafted like 2007, 8, 9-ish. Yeah, Stamkos must have hit 1,000.

Oh, he's been injured a lot. Just name two more players that you're like, mm. That I'm like, mm? That you're mm. You can't keep asking if someone has hit 1,000 points. It's a free country. I don't know who I want. You know what I like on Jeopardy

when they always just ask the host, Is this the right answer? And then they tell them yes or no. And then they give another answer. His Jeopardy is 25 questions. Right, Jesse? Tell me the other two. Guess.

Come on. Give me some guesses. Top player in the game. You have to give him hints, Adam. Nazem Kadri. Don't look at me like that. All right. Adam, you have to give him a hint.

I'm trying to think of. It's more fun that way. Two of the greatest players in the current game. There's a hint. Leon Dreisaitl. They're both top five guys. Leon Dreisaitl. No.

We talked about one of them earlier. Nathan McKinnon. Yes. There's a guy. Holy fuck. The other one. Who did he steal the heart from last year? Yeah.

According to Tampa fans. Oh, Kucherov's that close? Yeah. So Kucherov. So McDavid, we talked about last year how McDavid could have hit. Had he had a hotter start, I think he would have hit 1,000 points last year. 18 points away from 1,000. Wow.

So I bet by game 10, we're talking about McDavid with 1,000 points. Bard, Brad Barshan, 71 points away. I think that's doable. Nathan McKinnon is 101 points away. I think that's doable. Oh, yeah. And Kucherov, we know it's doable, 127 points. It's just going to have to go right for Nikita.

It's going to be tight. Yep. He can do it, though. So, guys, my question to you is, at the end of the year, I think Brad Barshan might be the one that's the toughest at 71 points at 36 years old. Are we going, assuming there's no injuries, if there's no injuries, this doesn't count.

All these guys play at least 75 games. Are we four for four on players hitting it 1,000 this year? Connor's not a given. McDavid? No, Connor might hit it by Halloween. He might hit it by Halloween. You made me pause for a second. What is he doing?

Nailed it. Great delivery. Yeah, no, it was good. It was really good. I'd take that bet. I'll take the four for four. Jesse, would you take four for four? would put money on that yeah yeah yeah okay you're right marsh and i it's a fun thing to

cheer for is marsh and hitting 71 harder than kucherov hitting 127 i don't know more interesting than the trivia of you guessing i want you to come up with four t-shirts we had d1k for duncan key oh no i believe that's thousandth game yes yeah um okay yeah d1k Can you give me the t-shirts for these four gentlemen and how they will incorporate the 1,000 number into their name for the shirt? There's only two zeros in Connor's name. So it's hard to... One Connor... Yeah, no, you just add the zeros.

Yeah. March in big words and then a little to 1,000 and underneath a big complete for Martian. I like that. Nikita Kucherov is easy because you could go Nikita like 1K or Kucherov. No, K-0-0-C-H. Oh, wait. No, no, no. That doesn't work.

No. Okay. I got it. I got it. I got it. K, but the long stick on the K is a 1. Okay. Okay.

0-0-0-C-H. Kuch. I like that. Okay. McKinnon. That's good. That's good. I like the Kucherov one.

It's good. see it needs there's a k in that name it needs to match the player's personality so that nathan mckinnon shirt needs to just say nathan mckinnon scored 1 000 nhl in times new roman font size 12 i like that you all move on oh there you go maddie type it out who am i missing brad connor no i didn't march oh one okay that wasn't complete or something connor connor's is out for one mc thousand mc thousand that actually don't mind that that's funny i don't write it mc1000 mc1000 so you just do mc and then one zero zero zero yeah

or the word thousand or is it no because you would mc one zero zero i like the word mc1000 i think writing it out's too much just put the thousand nathan mckinnon or like connor mc1000 could you do connor mc1000 yeah connor mc1000 i like that yeah connor in smaller letters If Edmonton doesn't make those t-shirts, we will. If Colorado doesn't make the Nathan McKinnon t-shirt, I'm so mad. The Nathan McKinnon one is by far the best. Can we put that in the story? No, we can't put his name on a shirt.

But Mick Thousand. Can we do the Cooch one? Ranking the shirts that I did from best to worst. Mick Thousand's one. Marshand is the weakest, unfortunately. I like the Cooch one. It's actually good. Cooch is very good.

I think Cooch is number one. And I think Nathan McKinnon's number two. It's the shirt I'm most likely to wear. Nathan McKinnon scored 1,000 NHL points It's important I can see that being a shirt 100% Cooch too

I feel like that's got to be higher on the list No okay so Cooch Mick Thousand Nathan McKinnon scored 1,000 points In the NHL Number one for me It's the funniest one It's the greatest one and it's black and white

That's it I'll say Mick 1,000 Cooch the marshan one and then the nathan one no no that's number one oh i see okay all right now according to marcusi on instagram via elite prospects uh these are the nhl teams ranked by average weight did you guys see this yesterday oh no okay who do you think is the heaviest team this is average weight in the nhl and we're gonna do the top three can i give a guess give me give me guess my guess would be vegas okay number one it's vegas or dallas i'll go dallas vegas is number two dallas is believe it or not shoot yeah you know oh but not even on not even in the top 20

no they've gotten smaller the blues nope one more guess and jesse you have two more guesses oh uh is patty maroon under contract i don't know i was gonna say that that fourth line of maroon with brazzo was freaking ridiculous my other guess would be the taba bay lightning nope they're 19th now what yeah i guess you're gonna be mad when you guys find out who's first there's a hint florida no you both are gonna be mad at yourselves for not getting this the leafs boston number one i told you uh the islanders and leafs are tied for third with 203 pounds So Boston, 207 pounds on average. Golden Knights, 205, which Jesse nailed.

And then the Islanders and Leafs at 203. And then there's like a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 way tie between the Red Wings and the Kings for 201 pounds. And every other team is 198 or lower. Wow. Isn't that crazy? The lightest team in the NHL. Name that one.

Ooh, Dallas. Well, they're 27th, so they're close. I would go with Utah. You would go with Utah, and they are 25th. Oh! Anaheim? Think of a team that's super in shape. Colorado.

Colorado. Oh, what? 192. Wow. Really? Yeah, Flyers. That's McKinnon. Oddly enough, the Flyers are 31 at 194.

I have to think that's going to change. They have a lot of young guys. Yeah. That's why I went with Utah, because they have so many young guys. That's a good point. You put on weight as you age. That's a good point. That's also why I went with Utah.

Jesse, how much more time do we have? Do I need to wrap? Yeah, we can wrap soon. Okay, we're going to have to wrap this up. I have some great stuff for next week that we did not get to this week, but none of it's like we need to get to it now. So I'm going to save it for Monday's show. Can't wait to get to it unless we do another half an hour deep dive

on Nick Robertson and his decisions. Don't yell at us. We've done four shows in four days. Exactly. I think that's good. Yeah, and there's still plenty more to talk about. So we will see you on Monday. And don't forget, Course and Clubhouse.

Am I forgetting anything else? The PWHL is announcing their team names on Monday, although the social media accounts for all the teams are teasing it. The announcement is SEP 9, which is Monday. So on Monday, we'll come on here and talk about the team names. That'll be the big reveal. And the team names most likely aren't going to be that leaked list that was in the spring or slash summer time.

They said they copyrighted it, so it could be shocking. Oh, Matty Mike. I don't want to know. I'm just curious to know what you guys think Toronto's team is going to be because their image is very, it's mysterious, but it isn't, I don't think. Can I see it? Yeah, Jesse has it. I think I see it on his Twitter.

Toronto teased with this. What do you guys think? Queen Elizabeth looking figure. People are saying Royals. I think Royals. Oh, and that's like a Royal Blue. Yeah, let's just fire the X in here. Nobody wants to guess.

Toronto Royals would make sense based on the image There is a Toronto Royals In the MHR What is that? I don't know I don't know what the MHR is Not the MLH Alright, great stuff guys Great work everybody

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