The Steve Dangle Podcast - Angels & Devils | January 10, 2022

Episode Date: January 10, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Adam Wylde is in protocol (00:00), the Leafs blow a 4-1 lead, AGAIN (05:30), former Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin joins the Los Angeles Kings as senior adviser (30:00), the Hockey Diversity Alliance launches the #TapeOutHate campaign with Budweiser (42:00), the San Jose Sharks terminate Evander Kane's contract (53:00), stories from Steve's book signings (1:01:00), and the Raiders beat the Chargers and we don't get a tie (1:11:00). Originally aired: January 10, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/iIOpc93IXsk Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

get us started oh it's why do i gotta start it because it's your name is on the show but i never usually start it well somebody's not here his name is adam wild he's not on the program today the show gram uh because he is in covid 19 protocol well we're both wearing crab people shirts we are who is king of the crab people that's jesse blake it's jesse blake so you start this freaking show all right well it's already started hi everyone i hope anybody listening can't tell the difference but everybody watching can definitely tell uh we're recording this via out our old ways. I guess old ways now because we had a studio built and

all that fun stuff. We were recording this remotely over our favorite application, Zoom, because Adam Wilde, as we said, is in COVID-19 protocol. He had his booster shot over the weekend, and he has some side effects, a whole

bunch of mess. We'll see how it goes for the rest of the week. This might be the show for this week, but we're here. We're here to make a great show. It's going to be a good time. Because the Leafs continue to leaf it up. Oh, my God. Steve, do you have any words on Adam Wilde and how he's doing?

He sent us a bunch of texts that were difficult to understand. So, well, he also, okay, I should back up. He called us last night, and we were all excited because we had Alan Walsh book for today as a guest, and he was going to talk about the equipment issue, which i think is something that we teased on friday it is and then adam calls at 10 and i'm not i'm not kidding jesse when i saw him pop up i had a heart attack like i adam does not call we'll we'll start there he does not call his friends he's very people talk to me like i'm

his agent it steve i'm trying to get a hold of adam but he's not answering my emails calls or texts and i tell them yeah me neither like he doesn't he just doesn't so when he called at 10 p.m on a school night because he's a morning show host remember i'm like someone's dead like someone who is it is that no he's the one calling or am i dead perhaps i'm dead so he called and he said he just wasn't feeling very well and i was like oh well that's that's better and when somebody has flu-like symptoms these days in 2022 uh you avoid them for five days yes yeah 10 scribble scribble scribble five days right pending symptoms yeah i don't know so we don't know but yeah we don't know but uh i mean that's fine i didn't have to drive anywhere that's cool

yeah so how was the lack of commute because we did this for a year and a half it must have been it was uh march 2020 until 2021 august you got to wake up head down to the blue room downstairs you carry your computer downstairs every day did it feel not anymore not at all not anymore what do you know now because the room where the computer was leo has now taken over so the computer stays in the basement okay did it feel like i'm back in it was it dark did you get a little deja vu or did it feel like something new because we haven't done it in six months how was the feeling when you had to fire up the uh remote recording today well you'll notice you haven't heard me complain about commuting in a long time and that's because commuting to adam's

place is a lovely commute it's lovely it's so much different it takes roughly the same amount of time it's a little shorter than the virgin studio but it's such a much better drive it's so nice uh so i don't complain about it today i uh i went to bed last night bummed that we were going back to this and then i woke up at nine and was like no this is good this is fine this is fine this can stay you don't have to shower if you don't want to i almost didn't i almost didn't but i figured yeah enough people watch i'll shower i'll do it i'll do it the commute is a whole other conversation because anybody who lives in the gta knows right now when uh it's normal times or the before times traveling anywhere in the morning is just a disaster

or right now it's a ghost town because everybody has worked from home and you can actually get around toronto and the gta at hours when you wouldn't be able to like between 8 and 10 well before the more recent restrictions i was still like all right i gotta leave adams by a certain time because if i don't it's gonna be kind of bad but you'll you'll notice the last few shows i mean I guess no one listening noticed, but I was just hanging around Adam's house like, no, I got nowhere to be because I know I'm going to be

home in like 45 minutes or something like that. Not speeding. You're not allowed to speed. Just hang around. Well, that's that's what's going on with the show today. And something happened over the weekend

that is the most important thing for us to hit. And it's the Toronto Maple Leafs blowing another 4-1 late like you know what's sad yeah so okay I'm not even allowed to be properly mad at them like it was their third game since December 21st they played uh they beat the hell out of the Oilers on December 21st then they have several weeks off the entire team's protocol basically by the way on top of the leafs being one of the hardest hit teams in the nhl by covid protocol i did not realize that the toronto marlies were the hardest hit team in

the american hockey league oh wow yeah that was a star uh star article marx walensky i think uh co-worker of chris johnston um he he wrote that article uh but they come back and they destroy the ottawa senators well i'm certainly not going to complain about this and then they play the edmonton oilers and you're not even allowed to feel fully elated at the win because the oilers did not have connor mcdavid or ryan nugent hopkins or tyson berry or they had like one center they put ryan mcleod there and i'm like does he i don't know a ton about the oilers but like is that guy center i didn't actually know and now they play the colorado avalanche and right away before the game even i'm like this is going to be a struggle because the abs are a

really good team they're going to remember that the leafs beat the brakes off them the last time they played because it was eight three and abs didn't have a goalie and the leafs don't have mitch marner a key defensive forward and a lot of people roll their eyes at that but it's just true and Wayne Simmons said it as well, like a lot of you, he doesn't have a power play goal. This has nothing to do with that. It's about holding the lead. 4-2. Jack Campbell save of the year candidate. I'm like, there's no way they lose this game. 4-3 4-4, 5-4. Okay.

I'm not even allowed to be in overtime. So they get a point. They get a point. Hooray. hooray but here's here's the amazing thing the leafs blow a 4-1 lead for the second time this season the second time in like i don't know six games because they blew one to the chicago blackhawks as well but they ended up winning in regulation because of david camp school and i said to producer drew after this game because i'm like okay buddy you you have a ton of fun with this video an avalanche fan gets to edit a leafs fans video about the leafs blowing a 4-1 lead and losing the avalanche i go this is a hundred thousand views easy but because it's

january this video is going to make thirteen dollars because youtube revenue in january sucks as it stands right now the video has 57 200 views oh it's gonna get there it's gonna no it's not it's not it's not I can show you the like look at the line you can't see it I can I can screenshot it and so I guess if you think

that that video is not going to do as well as you thought it would it's not going to come close that's indicative of the game itself because Sheldon Keith wasn't he was very positive after the game he said I take nothing but positive out of this game

this is probably the loudest building we've played in all year we come out playing in front of no fans and then you're into this the response from the group to start the game I thought was outstanding yeah we have like two points absolutely should we have had two points absolutely but that's a very good team to come out here on the road

and get a point is good for our group and he went on to say that they came out so hard during the first two periods that by the third they were gassed that they just didn't look like it and that that was that was Keith's excuse well not excuse that was his reasoning for blowing the 4-1 lead and like like you said the the video's not going to do as well because it's not only that

hey the Leafs do this all the time it's not even that surprising it's that it's the middle of the January and them blowing this lead isn't that consequential in the grand scheme of things oh you say in your LFR that they're the third place team in the National Hockey League this group itself blowing this lead it's okay because there's so much runway left in the season and that this is a very good colorado team and it could be a preview of the stanley cup final who knows if the leafs ever get together the playoffs i hope so abs too they always blow it in the second but people are are tempering like they're not running to watch this video because there isn't a big hoopla around the leafs team right now on january 10th in the middle of another lockdown there's no

fans okay they blow a lead but like i'll continue my day i don't need to go run and watch this video and overall like everybody throughout the 2013 uh blown for one leads the leafs own the record for that they've blown six four one leads uh that's not games i have one i have you can we'll read them off but that's that's games they've ended up losing after having a foreign league because there's been instances where they've had four one leads and one like you said the chicago game so they do own the record as a franchise since 2013 but that doesn't say anything about the group in the moment at the exact time right now we are in life i think i said this in the video i'm not mad at this current group i'm mad at the idea of the toronto maple exactly you're

mad at the press because continually it seems to happen to the franchise but the the guys on the ice on saturday night it doesn't really mean that much to them anyways you can read off the the dates if you want so okay hold that thought that you just had and and i'll read off these this is from sportsnet stats with just this is a really good tweet blown for one leads by the maple leaf since 2013 saturday versus the avalanche february 15th 2021 versus the sens where they blew a 5-1 lead. October 5th, 2019 versus the Canadians. That's the game where Kasperi Kapanen threw his stick at Jeff Petrie.

The Avs actually went up 5-4 before the end of regulation. Matthews had to score with an empty net to tie it, and then they lose 6-5 in the shootout. Price versus Hutchinson, that's a death sentence. October 29th, 2016, Leafs blow a 4-0 lead against the Winnipeg Jets. November 27th, 2013, against the Penguins. New season, new goalie, same result. And then, of course, May 13th, 2013, against the Bruins.

Game 7, first round. Now, I have a stat to add to that, that Sportsnet stats missed. Those are six different 4-1 leads blown. Five different goalies. Oh, wow. james reimer in 2013 jonathan bernier and the other 2013 one freddie anderson versus the jets michael hutchinson versus the canadians freddie anderson versus the sends jack campbell versus the abs it's the idea of the toronto maple leafs it's it's not the players man it's not the players

and like again I think some of the people who watch my videos are like 7 years old because they're like what's the big deal you're overreacting and are they trolling they have to be

if you have blood pumping through your veins for god's sake it's always the Leafs if you're a Leafs fan how doesn't that drive you out of your mind it's always them i'm trying to when i look at this game uh oh you told me to get back to the other point so let's get back to that when you look at the game from a rational point of view which i think it is

you say that the players on the ice on saturday have nothing to do with the 2013 leafs that's i think that's a very reasonable thing to say but as a fan as you steve dangle sitting there you're fighting demons you're fighting the history of the Toronto Maple Leafs and the crest on the front of the jersey but like like like I said on Saturday those guys have nothing to do with the 2015 loss 2016 that has nothing to do with them if it feels like it's always the Leafs here's proof that it is by the way this is a thread from ineffective math on Twitter I saw that sports net tweet about the Leafs blowing big leads so I had to work it out are the Leafs the most prone team in the league to this sort of thing and it turns out they are not since the start of the

2007-2008 season the Leafs have held 233 goal leads not counting empty netters which I think is fair they've allowed their opponents to later tie the game in 20 of those games for a big lead blown rate of 8.7 percent nearly one in ten three goal leads you can flush down the toilet with the toronto maple leaves that's pretty bad he says uh that's pretty bad but there is one exactly one team doing it worse the golden knights who have held 88 such leads and blown eight of them for a big league or big lead blown rate of 9.1 percent regular season only which i think is a very funny asterisk to add to the tweet because they did it very notably in the playoffs so did the least best in this sense is seattle who have held three such leads and surrendered

none of them slightly less trivial the sharks have held 212 such leads and blown only seven of them 3.3 percent notably though they did blow a three nothing series lead to the la kings uh that was an add-on for me just to be mean sorry in absolute terms though the leafs have blown 20 such leads since 2007 2008 five more than their nearest competitor the islanders the predators the wild the blackhawks and the capitals all with 15 the rates uh are more honest but the count is what folks remember, hence the reputation, not even getting into playoff stuff. So for this, I used blown lead in the sense of you let the other teams tie the game. If you instead use the stronger sense of you were up by three and then you lost, then the Leafs are tops in the league, losing 5.2%

of the games in which they held a three-goal lead. This is appreciably higher than the team's next in line. Buffalo at 4.6%, the Wild at 4.5%, Anaheim 4.5%, Detroit at 4.5%, and all others under four. So, the beginning of the thread that lets the Leafs off the hook, no! No! They've allowed the most, not the highest rate, but The most three-goal lead collapses, and they've lost the most of them.

It's not just in your head. It's actually them. But wait. We got to get back to something you were saying, Jesse. It's not this current group, Jesse. It's not. Guys are out of the lineup. COVID.

Which brings us to a perhaps more mundane and depressing note. These games lack integrity. No. They lack integrity. They absolutely do. You cannot. They lack integrity. That's a little too far.

No, it's not. The Habs haven't played a game with any integrity for over a month. No. It's the circumstances of the league. Everybody is playing by the same rules across the National Hockey League. It's the circumstances of league. You can't say if somebody went out with an injury, let's say Connor McDavid and Leon Dreisaitl didn't play this entire year

and they were injured. They both tore their both ACLs on their legs. You know, you can't say every Edmonton Oilers game lacks integrity because those are just the circumstances that which they just have to play. All the games have integrity. i would i would call injuries to star players an act of god and i would call what is currently happening an act of the devil okay we have a worldwide a pandemic and i know it bugs people when you say worldwide pandemic or global pandemic whatever man it's a pandemic it's a virus that

everyone's getting seemingly and it's okay i don't know if the games are lacking integrity but i can tell you people care less there's less fans watching the game there are less less fans watching the game uh we care less about hockey at the moment and we are worrying about other shit so the people listening to the show right now are going what are you talking about i care about hockey i'm here aren't i yes you are a lot of people aren't a lot of people are checking out yeah how can you not expect a leaf fan to check out they haven't played basically since before christmas how can you not expect an avalanche fan or sorry avalanche fan a habs fan to not check out.

They haven't iced the Montreal Canadiens for over a month. How could you not expect an Oilers fan to check out? They're postponed now. And they've lost a million of their most recent games. And you would say, well, that's normal. What? Oilers have lost five in a row. Five in a row, but it's like two of 14.

Yeah. something like that that they've won and i would call 2 of 14 perhaps an act of god but the matter in which they've lost a lot of these games what has happened to their team is an act of lucifer morning star beelzebub the devil himself satan this is awful and a lot of people have checked out what's happened is you you're losing a lot of the casual fan because to them hockey is not really happening right now there are other things going on and a large part of it is the fact you can't go to a game like because you can't you can't you can't go to a bar to watch it there you're not out on a saturday night so you don't just catch it on the screen when you're when

you're at your bar when you're at your restaurant it's not it's not at boston pizza so because you're not at Boston Pizza. You're at home. So, yes, there's a lot of the casual fan is not watching any pro sports right now. Any real entertainment where it's not just you're chilling at home and your TV's on in the background, you know, but

I don't think we are going to talk about football at the end of the show. Yes, we're going to actually excited for the tie game. That wasn't a tie game that should have definitely been a tie game. But so on Saturday, let's get back to the yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

The Leafs today don't have any relation to the 2015 Leafs, to the 2013 Leafs, to the 2014. It's a different team. It's a different organization, really. But it's factual, like you just said in the thread, that they blow more leads than any other team ever. So is there something consistently from the top down within the group that is the Toronto Maple Leafs

that lends itself to this? Maybe it's on a conditioning level. Other teams have it by the end of the game that they don't. Is it all mental? It's mental. Do you think these guys inherit this? I think the team takes on the traits of its fans. And what team's fan base is more nervous

with a three-goal lead in the third period than the Leafs none none in the entire world are you kidding none none because it's built into the identity of the Leafs the Leafs identity is they haven't won for a very long time man that's what it currently is and your identity can change like that the Washington Capitals were playoff chokers forever and never champions and like that it's done the la kings can tell you all it takes is one run and your reputation of having never won turns into stanley cup pedigree real quick st louis blues add to it you know they've uh taken turns looking pretty awful parts of the last two years but they've been hot recently and we're all looking at them going

look at the blues now they could do it again they were the last team to win with a full season it could be the blues again the leafs win any one of those three bloody games against the montreal canadians last spring it instantly changes the way we look at them the way we as their fan base look at them the way every other fan base looks at them the way they look at themselves um was that an aspect in this game maybe i'm more willing to believe it was the conditioning aspect of it like keith alluded to and you'd think he would be a little bit more upset like I watched that game and I wasn't like oh the Leafs are bottling it I was like oh my god the Avs are killing them it wasn't like I didn't see the Leafs really do anything wrong it was just

they got outclassed when they the Avalanche scored or the Leafs scored the first goal of the game it was seven nothing in shots and then producer drew on your live stream on Saturday because he joined you for watch a Leafs game with Steve Dangle on the Sportsnet YouTube channel. He goes, oh, wow, the Leafs don't have a shot. They're getting caved in. First shot of the game goes in. Kerfoot, too. Yeah.

Because it had to be Kerfoot. And he had a three-point game. Boy, was I feeling good about myself for a while. Ah, Nick Ritchie. He had the game winner for a minute. Oh, yeah. He had the 4-1 goal. Was it not on the power play? And it was on the power play, yes. Yeah, yeah. No!

Just to act, I think that's a fantastic point you made in that the players kind of carry what the franchise is and how quickly it can turn just to bring an example from another city and a couple of other sports the uh boston red sox were 104 years without a world series championship they were uh the bill buckner boston red sox and that's all they were and then finally in 03 david ortiz walks 0-3, 0-4, 0-4, 0-3 after that. David Ortiz walks in there, Manny Ramirez walks in there

and they turn around the identity of the Boston Red Sox. But like you said, all those players before that 100 years and after Bill Buckley, I'm sure they carry that. I'm sure the Leafs players carry

with them. The team has a losing reputation. I'm sure New York Jets players carry with them the Jets suck you know I'm sure all the fan bases across all the players who play for teams that just have a history of losing and choking the players must carry that a little a hundred percent a hundred percent and that's why it was so good to get a youth infusion on on the team Matthews and Marner and Nylander and because they're all kids who like they barely remember who Matt Sundin is and they get to come in and we are not part of that and uh through

six years of experience yeah they're absolutely part of that and you see it in their eyebrows every playoffs now and it's funny how it doesn't affect them early in the series you can tell they got the whole like oh they got all these games ahead of them and they have a chance to win and the dude the first 10 minutes of game five against the Montreal Canadiens I was like who the who are you who on earth are any of you who are you they got steamroll the Habs went up three nothing like who was it oh my god who's the player was it Lekanen for what I'm trying to remember there was someone on the habs where i was like this is that's who's jeopardizing your season this guy really i gotta look it up dude jesse i can't remember the man's name

right i can't remember the man's name and he steamrolled them in uh the first period would he even pop up on their cap friendly i don't know who are you referring to i don't remember What did they do in the game? Armia. Joel Armia. What did he do in which game? Game five? I think it was two goals in the first period of game five.

Oh, gosh. I don't remember that. And I'm like, Joel Armia is going to, he's ruining the season? That's how this starts? The dude's career high is 16 goals. He's got one in 29 this year. when you're in those moments it's probably very difficult to not at least have in the back of your mind that you're a part of an organization that is known for not winning

oh they they don't get it done and you're on that team that doesn't get it done and you're there trying to be the one who breaks the curse but then one day it's just gonna happen yes like it's just simply going to happen it could happen this year it could happen 17 more years from now i don't know but one day it's just gonna happen and a new chapter begins but it's i don't know i think we're having two different conversations i don't think the team is as bothered by that loss as we are and by we i mean me because a lot of people aren't bothered by it because they're able to look at the season and i'm i'm part of both camps by the way i'm bothered by the fact that they blew a 4-1 lead and i perfectly understand why they blew a 4-1 lead

i don't know if if the proper term is these games lack integrity but i think it's suffice to say we live in interesting times how is that i would say that a lot less people care about what happened on Saturday yes but in saying the game lacks integrity saying like oh Jack Campbell threw the game you know he was paid off like that's what I when you're saying the game lacks integrity Austin Matthews didn't take a million dollar check to not score you know no no no no no that's that's not the sort of lack of integrity that I mean right but um I mean all seven Canadian teams their schedule is going to be a nightmare for the rest of the season so I wouldn't be surprised to see all of them go through their own bumpy road it's already sort of started for a lot of them

the oilers are in the toilet um the leafs are fine right now we'll see how that goes uh the flames were doing really well and now they're sort of not not doing very well at all we'll see we'll see i saw a quote from i think it was a canucks player saying they're happy to go down and do their American road trip right now because they just get to play normal hockey games. The Leafs have to feel the same way, right? They're on a four-game trip right now. They must be happy, like Keith said,

to come out in front of all these fans after not playing in front of fans. And, you know, sometimes you shit the bed in those moments and other times, you know, you carry on with the season and it's all good. Yeah, I don't think they shit the bed. I just, I think they completely got outclassed. And the idea that they gassed themselves is, yeah,

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are seventh in the national hockey league they currently sit third in the division 47 points uh that's four behind tampa and florida who each have 51 how about points uh percentage In terms of the division points percentage, they are second, 7-12. Florida has a 7-29. And the league in points percentage, they're third still. 7-12. Florida and Carolina are one and two. They are third in the league and second in their division.

Piss off. Get out of here. And it's not even Tampa. mark bergevin about him yeah the los angeles kings announced on sunday that former canadians gm mark bergevin joined the organization as senior advisor to the general manager they said mark brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to our hockey operations staff and will be a valuable addition to our group we look forward to his contributions and then bergevin said i've enjoyed my time away but i'm excited to join the la kings and become an active part of helping the team reach its

objectives i have a great amount of respect for luke robitaille luke robitaille rob blake and the staff they have in place and it's an honor to provide my input to this highly regarded group now stephen what do you take away from the statement where mark bergevin says i've enjoyed my time away which was all of somebody did the calculations and i think they hit 44 day 42 days i saw 42 42 days his time away from hockey 42 days yeah well i think his signing bonuses he gets to get the hell out of quebec um right now who is even more shut down than we are you think which is we can have julian on to talk about that this anyway um but uh it's it's actually you know what we got some really good insight on this recently um so he's what is his specific role

again he's a special advisor or mark bergevin is senior advisor to the general manager senior advisor to the general manager so um agent provocateur with uh adam wild and alan walsh they had i don't know how many people watching this know this they had doug armstrong on They had the general manager of Team Canada, of the St. Louis Blues. He's a Stanley Cup champion general manager. They had him on, and he told a really funny story where he was on the phone negotiating with Lou Lamorello, a fairly large trade.

Jamie Langenrunner was involved, Joe Neuendijk, Jason Arnott. And I think it was Bob Ganey. was the previous GM for the Dallas Stars, but they had him in a consultant role. And basically Doug Armstrong would be on the phone. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Good. Good. Put his hand over the receiver and go, Hey Bob, how do we feel about this? Right? So Bob is still like kind of the GM. but the way Doug tells the story is he's on the phone negotiating a high

stakes trade with Lula Amarillo and Bob Ganey goes, all right, I'm going for lunch. Have fun. And mid trade call walks out of the room and Doug Armstrong is by himself. So he basically says, it's your time, kid. Go do your thing, kid. I'm sure he was like in his forties when, when this happened, something like that maybe even 50 um but i used to like kind of scoff at these announcements

i thought it was just the old boys club making sure everyone gets a paycheck uh no mark bergman is legitimately going to have influence on the la kings based on that story that's uh like i i always thought cliff fletcher was was collecting a paycheck from the toronto Maple Leafs still I don't know if he's still with the team um but now I'm kind of like wait a sec how much influence does this guy really have with the team and Mark Bergevin I'm sure is going to be like all right we need to go out and get someone like Philip Deneau oh wait oh no we're good okay we're good we're set on that front well we gotta at least have another good center with Oh, we got Anze Kopitar.

I'm intrigued to see what he does with a new team because he's been with the Montreal Canadiens for so long. CJ on the Chris Johnson show, which you can hear right now if you're listening to this program. He said today that a lot of it probably had to do with, or at least he thinks he's probably just getting out of the Montreal market. You know, you go from Montreal to LA where it's the number one team, the number one sport to

I think we've had this discussion before a couple months ago where in LA the Kings rank, I don't know, eighth barely register. They do well yeah, they have their core base but in terms of importance in the LA market as sporting teams the Kings aren't up there

and for Bergevin, a lot of leaving Montreal had to be that, just you're sick of it. You're a GM for was it a decade in Montreal it's over. I'm going move out of the the toughest hockey market on planet earth and into some cool la sunbreeze you don't realize how different it is till you go there and and you don't realize how canada is not the rest of the world like you can go if you walked into a a hat store like lids or something

like that you could get any team any sport you want basically definitely any team for hockey Any of the 32 teams They A lot of Leafs All the Canadian teams They probably sell A bunch of Kraken And Golden Knights

Because those are still Really popular Bruins Because Oshawa But I went to California man They have three hats Ducks

Sharks Kings That's it I thought you were going to say Lakers Clippers Giants You know

No that was the rest Of the store so it was like i i remember it clear as day there's the store the entire store that was the way you described it and then in a corner duck sharks kings do do do and i'm like what's what's going on this doesn't look anything like my home that is a six-hour flight away i don't understand this yeah where guys what if i want to get a columbus blue jackets hat where do i go what do i do and um it's just it's it's very different it's got to be a very different pace not to mention the weather right yeah and you're and he's closer to alan walsh i

bet that was a big part of it a lot of your career is it lends itself to being from here you know you're a toronto maple leafs fan yeah that you you did videos on youtube for over a decade longer than mark bergevin was gm of the canadians and true it blows up a large part because you're talking about the most popular team in the most popular market yep you know so there's there's just a huge difference between toronto and montreal and any other place on planet earth even like a place like vancouver just doesn't have the population that we have so they don't have the fans there was a dude who we traded videos so i did a it was in my first year making videos first or second i made a video for his channel and he made a video for mine

yeah i made a video about the dallas stars for him he made a video about the dallas cowboys for me because uh his name was cowboy td and he had like a football channel this was in like 2007 or 2008 and i can't i know he still makes videos but he did it like casually if he applied to the dallas cowboys the way i apply to the toronto maple leafs we'd all know his name he'd be on espn every morning at 10 a.m he'd be on espn right now and he'd be a multi-millionaire oh yeah but it just i think he ended up working in sports media i want to see i don't know i should really get in touch with him but yeah it's uh it does situation kind of it used to matter a lot more i don't think it matters nearly as much now i mean i know there's there's a girl who uh she

makes leaf videos and she's from scotland you know and and there's mark rackham who's always been covering the Marlies and he's over in England you know it's it's not it's not the same but back then oh my god oh my god if he applied himself to the Dallas Cowboys a decade and a half ago oh oh my heart's sick

my heart's sick for him he'd have 25 million dollars in the bank right now. DFRs oh D CFRs Cowboys fan reaction. Cow yeah John Dutton fr no that's montana i don't know i don't know but it yeah that is how did you phrase it a lot

of being me lends myself to being me no no i think i said we could rewind the tape but i think i said a lot of uh a lot of your career lends itself to being from here right yeah that makes sense i think it's fair 100 i read this team is ruining my life i'm extreme did you i i read most of it there it is i skipped a lot of the zoo parts i thought the zoo parts were good you should have seen the shit we cut if you didn't like the zoo stuff part two only zoo stories yeah in retrospect i did take a little too long to get to the hockey but whatever whatever it's uh i'm believe me jesse if i think about it for too long i go holy shit how did this ever happen how did this life happen to me i'm extremely lucky very fortunate we got a hit on the hda which came out with a campaign

with bud weiser called hashtag tape out hate uh the slogan is on hockey tape it bears the bears the name on the hockey tape, and you can find it at Canadian Tire stores starting on January 22nd. $1 from each roll of tape goes towards the HDA for its fundraising initiatives or hit up shopbeergear.ca

but all the tape on there is sold out, but there's a restock coming soon. They released the HDA which includes Akeem Aliyu, Anthony Duclair, Nazem Kadri, Wayne Simmons, and Matt Dumba. They were featured in a

new commercial which um shows them experiencing hate within the game of hockey uh wayne simmons's was uh very powerful and in the commercial he recalls uh being when he was in for the london knights in 2011 somebody threw a banana at him it was in london uh it was a it was a flyers preseason game okay there you go and then uh in 2012 uh when he was playing in the czech republic somebody called them a monkey in their uh native language i guess it's czech um yeah so it's a powerful commercial check it out um what is your what are your thoughts when watching it was it was very powerful um i blind rt'd it uh you know just i see the hockey diversity alliance do something i'm like here you go uh but then when i watched it i saw why there was the reaction uh that there

was um they didn't hold back i was you know i've worked with some pretty big brands and i'm pleasantly surprised budweiser was willing to include some of the subject matter that they did you know the one that ran on tv was a censored version and if you watch it online i guess so it's the uncensored version right okay that's interesting i haven't seen it on tv yet I didn't know that so yeah the uncensored version um like it it shocked me right it sort of blows you back and that's the point that's exactly uh uh the point I mean I appreciate you asking for my thoughts but what were yours I I think it's it's really important to tell these stories like I commend these guys for what they're doing and Akeem Aliyu he sat down with Christine Simpson

on saturday night and they we didn't sit down the the interview with christine aired on saturday night and he spoke about how there was 30 guys in their group chat when this whole thing started for the hda group chat and about who wanted to be a part of this commercial and it came down to six people because there's yeah i thought that was such a it was such a revealing moment because these things are happening. These things need to be talked about, but there's such internal pressure and it takes so much courage to stand up and do a commercial like this. So I can only commend these guys for trying to get this conversation started. It's not about, like they say, it's not about tearing down hockey and destroying the game and be like,

oh, hockey's bad. No, they're doing this because they care about the game and they want it to be a safe space for uh their children for minority communities anybody who wants to love this game because it's a great it's a great freaking sport and the community around it's one of the best i think in in sporting itself it's is the hockey community but there is there's racism within it and it still exists today and wayne in his interview with pierre lebrun he says i have so many stories um of racist incidents happening within hockey from this year people text him these these things that happen this year like it's not even like he's he's like oh so many things happen throughout my career or throughout my time within hockey no it's still to this day

so i it makes it it it inspires me it brings me joy when i see these guys standing up and doing the courageous thing and talking about the the veiled uh racism that exists within the game of hockey because it is a predominantly white sport that you have to be more accepting of minorities because of that because they don't see a lot of their own faces within the game and i'm a true believer of if you could see it you can do it and these guys need to be out there talking about this so we can hopefully eradicate it yeah um it's unfortunate like it started off with 30 minority hockey players hopefully joining this movement and to boil down to these six courageous men but i'm glad that they followed through and buzz budweiser was able to uh help them out with

this mission one of the pieces of feedback i often see as well like soccer has a big problem with it too and it's like okay so what okay well yeah yeah we're talking about hockey right now though like it's not helpful that you brought that up like just we're talking about hockey right now what's wrong with trying to improve something that we all love yeah so i just i don't know you know me jesse i like to pre-argue and cut off arguments before they even come yeah yeah when uh people love pre-arguing on twitter yeah well post-arguing i guess that's what it's there but um yeah uh just just uh further their point of there's still racism in the game an incident uh out of pei happened on friday uh with i believe i'm trying to check the

the league it's junior b so it's a junior b game the game happened on december 17th keegan mitchell heard a player on the opposing team uh call one of his teammates a racial slur uh that player who called the uh player a racial slur was suspended two games and keegan mitchell in the moment of the game he went over and he slashed the player uh on the on the leg i believe and he was also suspended two games so uh the player who said a racial slur to one of uh keegan mitchell's teammates suspended two games keegan's suspended two games keegan goes to facebook on january 5th and he uh makes a post criticizing hockey pei's response to the incident and said that the opposing players actions deserved a stiffer penalty than those two games now keegan

has been suspended indefinitely for criticizing hockey pei on facebook this is this is a person who a kid he's he's playing junior b he's not he's not an adult man yet um who's standing up against racism and pei hockey pei's response is to just get rid of him and suspend him forever indefinitely now he's appealing the suspension but for that to happen uh for that to come out on friday and then on saturday the hda uh releases their commercial and we see their tape out hate campaign it's just it proves their point even more that this stuff it needs to be eradicated from the game of hockey yes it happens in other sports that's cool but it's happening in our sport uh that we love and it needs we need some change here it needs to be eradicated but in

in absence of that uh it needs to at least be dealt with properly yes now okay player says the slur there has to be a suspension and it needs to be uh it needs to send a message two games does not send a a message now i saw a lot of people talking about well good on keegan for the slash uh i mean it's a junior league i have a hard time as a 33 year old man being like yeah but i understand i understand the sentiment um but keeping uh giving him the indefinite suspension only serves to keep these incidents under wraps it only it only serves to uh cloak the problem basically to cover it up and you would think that the powers that be with that league uh would have a little bit more sense than that i understand you know no we we

don't handle it this way i understand that when it comes to you know maybe you got suspended for a hit and then you criticize the officials involved i understand that i under you know we all know in the nhl when a coach uh criticizes the league or a ref we're like oh here comes a fine you know we all know it's coming we all expect it and to a level we all understand it i don't think what happened here falls under that jurisdiction at all it comes across as trying to silence him yes speaking out and for standing up for his team even though he stood up the wrong way you shouldn't go around slashing people i get it it's hockey but don't do that there's a reason you're suspended but then he was he was punished for it he was punished for it and

he like i don't think anybody would agree that a two-game suspension for a racist slur is enough because that the suspension in reaction to that should be like you said um a strict deterrent to know that this isn't allowed at all two games doesn't say that two games is a slashing suspension uh something significant would have gotten the point across that this isn't allowed at all in our league no matter what level you know and i think he goes right in his facebook post and in in response to that he's being silenced by his own league i mean yeah it is a shame i'm interested to see how this goes because now we all have eyes on this league that you know no offense to this league but we should never think of you right you're a junior b league in bei like

no no offense but uh like just it you know but now now i'm because he's been suspended indefinitely and he's filing an appeal now i mean there's going to be a result here and we're all going to know about it and we're all going to be paying attention to it uh it was on sportsnet.ca it's on this show i'm sure it's on many others do the right thing here yeah unless you're like the league that has mcdavid at 15 we should never hear about your minor hockey league in national news yeah like yeah come on come on um back to over to somebody else who's probably going to be suspended or might never play or has had his suspension issues before always confused evander kane yeah yeah uh on friday the the san jose sharks put kane on waivers for purpose of

terminating his contract and they did this in conjunction with the national hockey league so they told them they were going to do this and the national hockey league gave them the thumbs up now the reasons they did this is a thing that not a lot of people are talking about but elliot freeman revealed the reasons on headlines on saturday he said that kane made a flight on december 29th to vancouver after testing positive for covid on the 21st and now he didn't have medical clearance to hop on a flight and travel places because he had tested positive on the 21st. He was also supposed to report to the Barracudas after his holiday off on the 31st and didn't come back until January 6th. So these two incidences were enough for the Sharks to have enough reasons

to terminate his contract. And they placed them on waivers on Saturday for purpose of termination. He cleared by Sunday, and they terminated his contract. Now, this morning, his agent, Dan Milstein, said that they filed a grievance in conjunction with the NHLPA. They officially filed the grievance, and they are opposing the termination of his contract. Timing in the matter is still to be determined. Milstein also said there's lots of interest from a number of teams for his UFA clients. Would be a one-year deal for rest of season whenever he finds a new home. That is from LeBron.

Steven, your favorite topic of VanderKane. What do you think? Sorry, we don't usually have to deal with this issue. I just received a call. Then you disappeared. So there we go. So sorry, we don't have to deal with that. But I mean, I don't put any stock into what Dan Milstein said

about multiple teams wanting his client. And that's no disrespect to Dan Milstein. I spoke to him before. I thought he was a lovely man, but that's just him being an agent for his client. Oh, yeah. No, lots of teams want this guy. Lots of teams want this guy. I'd be very surprised because, I mean, this guy can't get into games.

Like, what we talked about months ago in this process and several... I don't even remember everything there is to remember about Evander Kane with the San Jose Sharks, much less his entire NHL career. But I remember we talked about it and the idea that the Sharks would just, you know, essentially shut him down or tell him to go home and we'll pay you, but we won't have you in the lineup or anything. He was the San Jose Sharks best forward last year. Best, best, yes, forward last year.

And he's been such an unpleasant individual that they don't want him anymore. They don't want him anymore at all. I don't think he's on a bad contract for a player with his level of production, but they're willing to move heaven and earth, it seems, to move him. Now, I'm interested to see how this goes because, frankly, i'm surprised that his contract was terminated and pessimistic kane will get nothing uh he's owed something it's just under 23 million dollars if i were a betting man he's going to get some of that he's going to get at least some of that now how will the san jose sharks be penalized

for that because you can't just willy-nilly wipe seven million dollars off the book that's not how this works that's not how this has ever worked i think back to mike richards with the la kings uh bullshit outcome and process as it was they were penalized for it perhaps not enough that's we've covered that you know in a thousand ways in a thousand songs but uh i think the san jose sharks are going to end up getting penalized for this It's not just going to wipe the slate clean. Everything's going to be fine. I looked at the beginning of their statement on Evander Kane

and the termination of his contract, and it raised my eyebrows when I saw that the National Hockey League knew that this was coming and that they said, okay, cool. Of course they knew. They knew, but they also were like, okay, we know a fight's coming and we think that we can win it because the National Hockey League would have talked them out of it.

They would have told them don't do this if they didn't think there was actual cause for this. So I think there's a world where the San Jose Sharks have enough reasons. Gary Bettman's a lawyer.

He knows. He knows he can win a battle in a courtroom. I think they don't get the thumbs up if they don't think they could win. Man, there are so many unknowns here. this is a legit question i don't know if vander kane has the money to fight this well the nhlpa is fighting it on on his behalf because there's money involved right okay well

then he does it's their role as a as a union to do that for uh their union members so what how are they doing this how are they doing this in their pajamas this is finally the issue that got the nhlpa up out of bed right useless organization useless shameful organization we need alan oh that's i don't think alan would uh hammer the nhlpa i don't know i don't know how that works um but uh yeah if there's money involved oh they'll be there they'll be there with bells on anything else walk walk into bed with a little candlestick they got one of those little hats and it goes up no they don't care they just don't care unless money's involved but um i'm sure details are going to continue to come out and listen sorry if this sounds like i'm

absolving evander kane of all responsibility i'm not he the reason he's with the barracuda in the first place is he had a fake vaccine card what kind of idiot thinks they're going to get away with that in the national what kind of idiot thinks they're gonna get away with that um and with the i mean geez uh you know with this incident in the ahl he's potentially putting people in danger on a flight uh forget violating team protocols he's violating the uh contract that we all take out from the moment we're born to be a uh you know you know not endangering the lives of others and uh you know that should be enough you shouldn't need uh a piece of paper you shouldn't need a contract to know that what he did was the wrong thing to do uh and then showing

up late i mean i can't attest to that but you're obviously going to get punished for that are you going to get your contract terminated that is very different and that is why i remain skeptical that the sharks are going to get off scott free here okay um one more thing before we get to the tie game that should have happened but didn't happen we had a question on our discord now i just want to pull up their name oh it was clearly a russian bot who we've uh great discord member shout out clearly russian bot now they sent us a picture on the press conference server Discord thread, press conference questions

Discord server channel of you signing their phone I don't know what phone it is, I think it's a Google phone, if you're watching on YouTube, it's on the screen right now, you are in like

a Lowe's or no, it's a Costco Kirkland Batteries and you're signing books and you signed clearly a Russian bot's audio book in quotes because he signed his phone now do you have any interesting story do you remember this moment what was these books i do i do so what was funny is you're like oh do you remember signing an audio book and i'm like yeah and then you showed me the photo and i'm like oh i do i

remember that one too so i've signed two different audio books like i mean people's phones people's One, it was a girl, and I signed her phone case. And this guy, I do remember signing his phone at the Costco in London. And I know it was in London because there are people there. I did two other Costco's in Mississauga and Oshawa after already doing signings in Mississauga and Oshawa. And, oh, they were painful. How many people?

Oh, man. oshawa had to be like 2025 and mississauga was maybe maybe double that like 50 that's 50 people you know well and that's the thing we're talking about i did do no like the people at costco were like no that's pretty good like but like i was used to the bookstore events in osh in uh oshawa sorry in ottawa we got like four or five hundred people that's true at the end of the signing the general like the manager i think he swore at me he's like who the fuck are you i was like i don't know man i'm a youtuber um we we did some really big ones um the london costco was really big because i wasn't able to get into a london bookstore for whatever reason and i had a bunch

other dates booked and they were canceled by uh well that thing that happened in march 2020 but uh oh man uh people bought me um i did a book signing very shortly after the david ayers game so that was actually very close to the pandemic shutdown of everything um but like people bought me like a zamboni lego toy i think nice and uh they they got me to sign that um what else did i do well oh at the oshawa costco i met tyler toffoli's dad i think i told you that no so that was the thing so this guy walks up with the la king's jacket and hat in oshawa and i'm like okay he's someone's dad uh like you know you see someone who's a big fan of like random team you're like if it's bruins or something like that or another canadian team i'm

like oh okay whatever kings okay okay this guy's someone's dad and he looks like he spent a lot of saturday morning 4 a.m's at a rink drinking tim hortons oh yeah 100 100 he's got the same coffee dyed teeth that i do yeah like he he uh but he he comes up and he introduces himself as tyler to foley's dad and i was like oh man that's really cool because to foley was still with the kings at the time and we and we get to talk and chit chat for a couple minutes because no one else is bloody there i go uh would you like a book and he's like oh no i'm good oh my god he didn't get one you went up to you just because he saw a hockey thing happening he's like oh i'm a i'm a hockey dad oh yeah oh gosh there was another one where um i you know it was at the oshawa um chapters

the bookstore and you know took a picture with a bunch of people and there's this one dude kind of jacked tatted up and took a picture with him just he was perfectly nice it was great to meet him and everything and he tweeted it and i retweeted it i'm like hey it was great to meet you and everyone's like steve steve do you know you don't you don't know do you and i'm like what so roadie walker the uh lead singer for protest the hero oh wow what was he was there and like he didn't introduce himself as hi i'm roadie rocker from protest the hero right i know their music but like i don't necessarily there's lots of people i listen to what then i don't know what they look like this dude uh wrote a song with me in it like he did a leave song that you can find

on youtube process protest the hero wrote a song about you well roadie walker did yeah oh gosh i didn't know that yeah that's sick yeah yeah so that was cool i'm trying to trying to think of other stuff uh someone walked up and down the line of people in the uh ottawa chapters they just walked up and down the line with a wicker basket full of green peppers and they all just handed them to me and got me some of them got me to sign it others were like you can keep it Brian five or six was there Ben Milks

was there taking pictures with people while they waited in line and you wonder why the manager of the store is like who the fuck like who is this I remember a former Degrassi

cast member remember we did a live show at an Indigo when the raptors won the championship yes yeah and then there was a there was a former the grassy cast member and they were just a fan of yours yeah they got you to sign a book do you remember that i don't remember who it was yeah yeah and that was we signed a pizza box uh and we also and we had to walk to a store in the same plaza to get a we had to get something like we needed equipment for the show yeah yeah because um i i forget what it was it might have been just a

battery for the camera or something like that i don't remember yeah we went to like a henry's yeah across the street that's that's what it was and we were looking at the jolly b i wanted to go to the jolly b because i don't know i'm excited about jolly b and everyone else seems to be excited i still haven't had it um the last book signing i did was march 7th 2020 it was at a peterborough pete's game um nick robertson obviously he scores like first period like he was unbelievable um oh he had another year of junior eligibility too pandemic doesn't hit he's like captain of the american like team oh god hurts my heart but um i remember sanitizing my hands like they were like bloody and cracked like by the time i got home because we were all it was

the first time everyone was kind of nervous about this thing and four days later everything shut down and then you were like oh i can't taste anything no i dude i've been ducking ducking like the matrix man like i don't i'm sure i'm gonna get it now that i've said that but like when you consider that a bunch of people had it before everything was shut down they just didn't know and i shook like 150 hands that day and met all those people indoor like how how how on earth didn't i get it then right away at the start of it all did you see that thing have we ever talked about how um the that restaurant review for salt bay i believe we have where i don't i think it was on the show but we've talked about it before oh well just you can tell the story again yeah just

in case the all that listen we can talk about how salt salt bay charges all this money and then still pays employees garbage but uh he uh the restaurateur the critic uh gave all these bad reviews for the food but all the reviews were as food doesn't taste like anything no it just tastes like garbage it doesn't taste like anything and you see it's like march 10th 2020 or something like that march it's early march 2020 they're just like yeah i can't i can't taste anything it's crap there's so many stories like that oh yeah that was my uncle uh is convinced he had it in february of that year because he uh he was sick and he had a bad cough and his whole family was sick and had a bad cough for like an unusually long time but the the thing that

confused him the most was he was having his coffee one morning and he's like i can't taste my coffee oh yeah he had it and so he like made it again and he's like like i we've all i don't know if you have a drip coffee machine you've been like oh shoot like i added too much water it tastes watery he's just like i can't taste my coffee oh yeah he a hundred percent he a hundred percent had it and a hundred percent spread it because he didn't know though he didn't know february 2020 I went to a hockey game in February 2020 Speaking of your Italian uncle, I've started watching

The Sopranos again Oof, my own! Hopefully in a couple weeks we'll have a Sopranos podcast We'll talk about it Very interested to get your take on it I'm only five episodes deep but it's really good

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i probably have watched more nfl football than nhl hockey i believe that there's like eight hours on a sunday straight these days that i turn on red zone and it's just on and it's going and it's a large part because i started uh dabbling more into sports gambling and the nfl is the best place to put your money uh but also it's just it's great entertainment i watched purely for the money i was cheering for people to win money the bets that i saw last night were staggering i've never seen returns like that on so little um friend of the show tim mccallough nearly won over two thousand dollars on a five dollar bet on a five dollar bet so i didn't realize this as a hockey fan i at the same time did not know a ties were possible in nfl football and b that they were that

rare yeah um so i guess they're so rare that i didn't know they existed it's about there was it's about once or twice a year like every season you'll see at least a tie so matt liang put uh it's some sort of parlay bet i don't understand parlay i will look into it but he He put $22.33 to return $10,003.84. Parlay is just a fancy word for two bets together. At the same time, you're betting that these two things happen. That's all. That's all of this.

so ten thousand dollars and he lost it in one moment at the end of the game jesse please walk us through what the hell happened what are the two bets uh the two bets from oh boy i wish i hadn't closed it i know what they are i'm just asking to set me up it was something to do with the jaguars yes so it's the jaguars money line okay jacksonville jags to beat the indianapolis colts plus the raiders chargers game to end in a tie now those two bets are where we're going to start on this just adventure of a weekend so the jacksonville jaguars are the worst team in the national hockey league or national national football league this season it's the final week of the nfl season they are 2 and 14 and they are being sued by a georgia roofing company

because they the roofing company roof claim.com doesn't want to be associated with the team anymore because one they are so bad and two all of their jaguar fans in jacksville planned on dressing up as clowns to the final game of the season wow so the jags got sued by their lead sponsor uh roofclaim.com for uh thirty thousand dollars in damaging damages now this was the first year of a four-year contract that was supposed to pay the jags 2.5 million dollars and roofclaim.com once out of it because of how bad the Jags have been this season. That's the starting point

of this story. That's unreal because 2-14 is like, aren't there teams who just don't win ever? No, so 2-14 isn't it's terrible. They're going to have the number one overall draft pick, but they were competing with the Lions

who were 3-13 I believe. And then the Giants were 4-12. So there's teams in and around that area in the National Football League, but they're definitely the worst team. Damn. So, yeah. And they also had

an incident with their coach that we won't get into, Urban Meyer. He was the first ever head coach to be let go before the first year of his contract. So, they hired him this past offseason, and he was such a bad head coach, and there were so many incidents around his tenure that he was fired midway

through his first season. Wow. Wow. That's how bad the Jags are. And on Saturday, they're playing the Colts. The Colts have the best running back in the National Hockey League, Jonathan Taylor, outside of Derrick Henry, who's in for ball. So football, the Colts, Jonathan Taylor,

he's on their team. They have a QB, Carson Wentz. He's known choker. He's not very good, but they're a good team. They're nine and seven, and they have to win one game to make the playoffs. And they're going against the Jaguars, who are the worst team ever.

so everybody's placing these fun bets on the jags to win because the odds that the jags win this game are so astronomical that people are putting five dollars and parlaying it with some other incidents that we'll get into that and it's going to pay out thousands of dollars if this happened so jags go into saturday they kick the colts ass the colts who again have to win this game or their season is done. They don't make the playoffs. And this is a really good team who could have a shot in the playoffs.

They lose embarrassingly to the Jaguars who win their third game of the entire season. What are we talking about? Like score? Oh my God. It was 23 to I think three, a large part of the game. And then it ended like 23, 11.

Oh my God. Yeah. It wasn't close. at no point of the game where the Colts competitive and they just shit the bed in astronomical fashion. Oh my God, it was 26-11.

26-11. Oh my God. Yeah, and a lot of the game it was 23-3 and then at the end it comes out 26-11. Terrible. So the Colts losing

is something nobody thought was going to happen. But the Colts losing kicks in a whole bunch of playoff scenarios for a whole bunch of other teams around the league. so because Colts lose Pittsburgh and Baltimore playing at one o'clock on Sunday now the winner

of that game gets to go to the playoffs if Chargers Raiders don't end in a tie so we'll get to the tie game in a second so Colts lose now other teams can make the playoffs Pittsburgh beats Baltimore in overtime Ben Roethlisberger he's almost he's nearly 40 he might be 40 this is probably his last season that could have been his last game ever if he doesn't win that game Steelers win now they have a shot at the playoffs if the Chargers and the Raiders who are playing Sunday night don't end in a tie Chargers win they go to the playoffs Raiders win they go to the playoffs the other teams eliminated Steelers get to go to the playoffs are you following yes okay so we go into sunday night everybody says these both two teams should

just kneel down for the entirety of the game because if they end in a tie both teams get to go to the playoffs and the steelers are eliminated so doesn't happen obviously they play a game it comes down to the final drive in the fourth quarter. The Raiders are beating the Chargers by eight points. The Chargers go down the field. They complete multiple fourth downs. It's an improbable drive to the end zone. There's like seven, right?

In a row? Seven fourth downs or seven-ish, I think over the course of the game. They get a touchdown. They complete the two-point conversion for the eight points. it's a tie game and it goes to overtime now this all was impossible because on saturday the jaguar is supposed to lose uh the game's never supposed to go to a tie ties are a rare thing in the national football league as we started this conversation and now they're in overtime and

there's a shot that this game could end in a tie the most improbable thing to ever happen and as the bet you had pointed out earlier a payout for a tie is astronomical a payout with the jaguars winning a game is astronomical so everybody had parlayed put those two bets together so you double their value and you're getting payouts in the tens of thousands of dollars for 20 bets oh my god sports books across vegas are panicking right now sports books across the world are panicking because so many people are just like i'll throw five bucks on this and if these two improbable things happen i make thousands of dollars just off of this fluke so on the line is just millions billions i probably not billions i'm exaggerating millions

of dollars for all of these uh betting companies if this game ends in a tie it comes down to the final 38 seconds of the game. The Raiders and Chargers are still tied. They both kick field goals each. Now they're still tied in overtime. 38 seconds left. The Chargers call a timeout. So it's third and four and the Raiders have the ball and they're going to run it because they're trying to kill clock and then maybe kick a field goal with no time left remaining. But right now at third and four, it's a 57-yard field goal. And that's very hard to do. A 57-yard field goal is a long field goal but at third and four the chargers knowing that the raiders have to run the ball because they want to kill up kill the clock because a tie they get to go to the

playoffs either way the raiders run the ball and they get 10 yards which makes their field goal at the end of the game instead of a 57 a 47 yard kick now it's still a difficult kick but it's a lot easier and the raiders kicker makes the 47 yard kick with no time left on the clock which means the raiders win the game and they avoid the tie pittsburgh gets to go to the playoffs and the two the chargers are eliminated the two teams don't get to advance together with a tie now at third and four and 38 seconds left the raiders could have taken a knee and both teams win because they tough but they chose to run the ball and the chargers chose to allow 10 yards to get them closer to the field goal if their defense had just stopped them the improbable would have happened

millions of dollars would have been won by a whole bunch of people and we could have had a tie in the most improbable tie that ever happened and the uh everyone lost it last night that was a good time that one the chargers had the opportunity to do something that joe biden refuses to do and that's forgive all student loan debt like it could it could have just changed so many lives oh my well it's all it's on the raiders for playing the end of overtime you know because they they kept running the ball and they kept getting yards and they kept getting closer to a field goal once you're close enough for the field goal you can't be like okay we're not going to win the game you got to win the game so the raiders though if this ball gets intercepted and

it goes down the other end they lose the game and their playoff spot so what do you think of them going for the win i think if i think they had to run the ball like you couldn't take a knee and concede a tie i think for everybody asking them to do that that's a little ridiculous because it's sports you play to win the game but you also play to make the playoffs so uh it i don't know see i'm talking myself out of my own argument because you play to win the game for sure but I think you kick the field goal. You take the risk. The chances of a fumble happening

when you're running the ball and then taking it all the other way, it's like 0.01%. Don't talk to me about chances. Look at the conversation that we're having. Don't talk to me about chances. Right. Is it greater than zero?

Yes. All right. Yes. The Raiders could have just taken a knee and guaranteed a chance to play. There was also seeding implications. If they win the game versus the Chargers, they play the

Bengals. If they tie the game, they play the Chiefs. The Chiefs are a higher seed than the Bengals, so they get the worst of the two teams, but they're both good teams. So I guess I understand that. Yeah. If you look from

a seeding standpoint, that's okay. There's strategy there. Yeah. So there's a veiled excuse to go for it. Oh, man, though. If they just knelt down and took the tie oh there was i saw so many bets last night so many bets god that's such a shame yes oh it was because from the from the get-go everything playing out as it did it

shouldn't have happened every moment along the way something should have not happened overtime's not a common thing in the nfl the colts should have beat the jags uh over the fourth downs that the um the chargers were completing there was a fourth and i think 23 or 21 that the chargers completed they should you shouldn't do that no everything along the way should all of this shouldn't have happened and then in the end it didn't happen we didn't get the time remember i don't i don't bet a lot um but remember the sabers like brutal losing streak last year was like 17 games or something like that yeah so if i remember correct they ended their streak against the flyers but i want to say they had like a back-to-back against them there was a game i want to say it

was the last or the second last game of their losing streak where i temporarily lost my mind and i said i'm putting a hundred bucks in the sabers tonight and they had the lead they were up like two or three nothing and they fucking blew it and i'm sitting there going even the other teams i'm cheering for stink i hate this but like i knew what i was getting into after all i bet on the friggin sabers but i was like this is the night because they had come close to ending the streak a few times and i'm like nope they're gonna get it tonight and they duffed it that's so enticing because 17 such a crazy losing streak that every next game you're like okay they'll get one yeah the odds of it ending are now like unless they break a record of some sort like no

they're the streak ends tonight but i could have been like all right it ends tonight no no okay it ends tonight oh no imagine i just kept doing that no it's just the one night 100 bucks go big go home i uh i forget who tweeted it last night while all this was happening but it was something along the lines of sports is the best reality show easily yeah it's a reality show and it's real it's bad for people who don't like sports oh yeah you're missing out like it's weird that you can't get joy from this it's probably how some people feel about me with west macaulay and you're wrong i like west macaulay but like i don't know people who like it's okay if you're not that into it but people who make fun of you for liking sports dude how you don't get it that's how you

don't get it yeah but if you don't get sports like what else don't you get you know what i mean you don't get the most basic of human instincts and emotions what i don't understand i don't trust you if you don't like you turned on the game last night right you got enough time to where all this is happening and you turned it on you know how often i'm intentionally turning on an nfl game never never the super bowl maybe yeah it doesn't count that's the world is tuning into that I'm there every year like alright who are they who are these two teams which one has Tom Brady

which one has Tom Brady the Bucks the red one this time okay and this year that might happen again right yeah they're they're very good this year again but they're missing a bunch of wide receivers like Godwin's out

and Antonio Brown's never coming back he's cut so we'll see what a pro wrestling career for tom brady he was such an effective heel for so long that he turned face yeah there's a there's a turn in the last it's a very short uh amount of time like last three years that people have been on the side of tom brady that now he's kind of the good guy it's very odd yeah it's i'm trying to i'm trying to think of a wrestler to compare him to but i just i just don't have it a little bit of rock hogan vibes usually except hogan lost right

brady would never he could never impossible i like the arc of john cena where he came in as kind of a heelish but he did the he did the stone cold thing where he's this rapper and everybody's cheering for him because he's the other guy and then he goes so baby face that everybody hates him that he's he appeals to the kids so hard that people just don't like john cena and then now he's kind of swung back the other way where he's just now strictly for the kids and everybody's hey it's john cena you know what the rock was so popular that it's easy to forget that he was a heel he was a heel for a long time at the beginning of his well so there was rocky mayavia who fans hated they hated new baby face rock and then he joined the nation

of domination and he was such an effective heel that i think he was getting cheers while he was still a heel he's one of the the it's it's a it's an honor that was not bestowed on very many wrestlers at the time now wrestlers just their wrestling fans just hate vince mcmahon and cheer the heels and boo the faces. Guys got too good at it. Like there's too many guys who play the heel character, but they're really baby faces because everybody

cheers for them, you know, but and now it's it's purposely done. But when the rock did it, he was truly not trying to get the cheers, but he was just so dang cool. Do you know, do you follow AEW at all? Not really. No, I haven't kept up with wrestling in like a number of years.

MJF. i don't know that he's a 25 year old who you know because wrestling is a little bit of an older wrestler's sport if you want to call it that uh this kid's gifted man like he's such an effective heel he's an asshole but he's gifted on the mic gifted in the ring i love watching him what kind of fighter is he uh like what like style wise yeah he's not like a like a high-flying guy he's not like ray mysterio is he like no he's he's he's sort of like he's in a feud with cm punk right now kind of um he's he's like mid build like he's not a huge guy he's not a little high flyer guy um he's just kind of very solid all around but the the the mic work and the face work

and he's just a bastard he's such a good bastard he's I love it here I was just looking him up he reminds me of when I look at him like The Miz

does he have that kind of style oh yes he does he is I mean sort of yeah and that actually came up in a CM Punk promo recently but you know the TikTok trend the reason it's called the midwest is everything from it is mid that's him no way yeah that's him oh shit okay yeah yeah oh wow i can't believe you didn't know that yeah i have

no idea where that um sound came from but i know that sound that sounds so funny he being a piece of shit in wrestling is an art form and he's really good at it because he's wearing um a Burberry scarf in the photo that I'm looking at him. Is that his thing? Yeah. Yeah. He gives me the Miz vibes where he's just like a douche, but I got to see him wrestle.

Yeah. He's a lot more casual than the Miz though. Okay. The Miz uses his energy to be an asshole at you. And no, this guy's it's, it's, it comes a lot more naturally.

Do you, um how often do you turn on wrestling watching stuff live is so difficult these days man so honestly not very often but i'm big on the clips okay okay yeah like uh there's almost the leafs the leafs are the only thing i ever tune into live consistently literally the only thing there's lots of things i enjoy but i i just can't it's not in people's habits anymore to watch anything live no because our lives are different yeah even like big show like succession this fall like it was it's must watch tv but most people just caught it after it was on fucking crave the next well i don't it's like i don't like being told what to do like i i like yellowstone

oh we gotta come on we gotta watch yellowstone it's on yeah it'll be on later too because it's 2022 like no i'm gonna go do something else like why why do i have why do i need an appointment to enjoy this it's weird it's gonna be on demand yeah i i know we lived our lives like this for like 60 years but i just it's it's weirdly illogical now but there was there was a magic to coming home and all right pokemon is on it this time dragon ball z is on it this time digimon is on it this time god i miss wide tv which still exists but i'm 33 so it's different leo i'll get into it don't worry oh i can't wait yeah oh uh a secret of mine is sometimes i like watching leafs games on an hour delay so i can fast forward through the commercials

And it's on my time. I used to do that. There was a whole season. This is embarrassing. I was actually thinking about this the other day. And I am not sure if I've told this on the podcast before. There was a really bad era of the Leafs, like of the FNUF Leafs, where my buddy and I loved Paradise Island. Remember that show?

Yeah. for some reason my buddy and i loved paradise island but the leafs always played the same night as paradise island and it was so annoying so we'd go to like the beer store get some beers and like this one time this guy even went like oh getting some beers for the game huh and my buddy and i were like yeah yeah for the game for sure and we would watch paradise island paradise hotel no it wasn't paradise hotel no or was it was paradise I think it's called paradise hotel

let me check yeah the series that came out in 2013 oh would it have been that paradise island I think you're thinking of paradise hotel okay fine whatever it doesn't matter

so yeah it was one of those stupid like oh you get the rose yeah maybe maybe it was yeah you get the you know a bunch of hot people on an island just manipulating each other and sometimes making out in one of those stupid fucking shows all right uh but then we would watch it and we would then catch up with the leafs game to the point where we would be watching the final 10 minutes of the third live and we did that for months months and we like had it down to a science and then i'd go home and go to bed and do the lfr the next morning yeah i'm a lot more engaged with the lease i was gonna say uh your hockey

style of watching has matured i guess not really getting blasted while watching paradise hotel i mean more dude i didn't i was not mature that's a really good way of putting it and i had no idea what i was doing with my life so there you go and look look where we are now on zoom look where we are now wearing matching black shirts with crabs on them because you play video games online which is a good time catch me streaming uh wednesday our team's in first place we're in january in the season i believe uh i've built a we built a whole new team based on a pizza box strategy i have you have to check out the episode to find out about the pizza box i saw the beats but it is my whiteboard slash cal dubas board of names now uh where i build my team through the

roles and the lineup it's it was very effective we're the first place team we're streaming on wednesday again you know what you know what's amazing and this is this is factual over the last year i've watched the leafs live the most and the thing i've watched live the second most is you i'm not kidding thank you i appreciate that it's the it's like the leafs first you second yellowstone third maybe i've seen a few live yeah red bed when's it happen oh man i want it to happen i think what i'm doing is i'm getting through my current playthrough and then i'll be like all right everyone because i'm doing real well on this playthrough but while i play now casually i'm like okay here's how i want my streams to go you're doing a practice run

kind of in a way because i didn't really know how to play the game i knew how to play through the story and everything but i didn't understand hunting and now i understand hunting really well i can't wait you got how long do you have left in this playthrough i mean i could stop i know how it ends i could just simply stop okay well that's an option there's an option you know you got a little bit more time because no commuting extra 40 minutes in a day okay i'm cheering for commuting though rare like I want to get back to

recording in person yeah hopefully Wednesday that's when we're going to see you guys again on the Steve Dangle podcast Steve the only parting words before I shut off our conversation love you stay safe

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