The Steve Dangle Podcast - Bardown with Adam Gongshow | October 12, 2017

Episode Date: October 12, 2017

On this episode, the Leafs' first lost of the season (00:00), Jake Gardiner's woes (6:00), JVR's contract situation (22:00), the Montreal Canadiens are trying to trade Mark Streit (37:00), Nail Yakupov is HOT (50:00), STEVE IS UPSET AT GARY BETTMAN (53:00), Funny headline! (1:10:00), the Dart Guy Show (1:13:00), and the Press Conference! (1:24:00). Originally aired: October 12, 2017 Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @AdamWylde, @SteveDangle & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. Someone asked me this morning. Are your pants in the freezer? Nope. Well, I mean, the answer is always yes. But someone asked me this morning, who's your pick for the Stanley Cup? New Jersey Devils. I said New Jersey and Colorado.

Because I mean If we were going to Stake everything On the first four games Of the season That's who you might pick Right I think that's a fair pick

At this point Colorado's not going to Make it out of the west If they have to go Through Vegas Oh true Wow Yeah

What is the combined Record of the two Teams who finished Last in the east and west And the new expansion Franchise Do you know the answer To that

I do What is the answer To that What is your guess I think I don't know if I Fully understood the Question

It's two teams Who finished last In the east and west Last year New Jersey and Colorado Plus the expansion franchise What's their record? I think it's 9-1

It's 9-1 Isn't that stupid? That's unbelievable What's the most surprising? The Devils, Avalanche, or Vegas? Has to be Vegas Has to be I'm going to say Vegas too

Because they're not supposed to be very good at all And they're burying some of their better players like Shea Theodore and Vladim Chepichov because they have way too many. Vladim Chepichov? I'm tired. Do you know where the one loss came from? It was Colorado losing to...

Was it Montreal? No, not Montreal. Oh, it might have been Montreal. Was it? They lost to New Jersey. Oh, New Jersey! The one loss came between the three teams. Wow.

Unbelievable. Man, New Jersey's a brand new team. They are In that I didn't recognize any of them Not a single person Kyle Palmieri, maybe? That's not true I recognize a few of them from

The heated playoff series Between Albany and the Marlies A few years ago But I don't think they were projected to be Quite this ferocious But I don't think it helps when You know, the Leafs hand it to them Which is basically what they did

There's a little bit of that But I don't want to take away from Colorado Or Colorado, New Jersey Oh, I will Because New Jersey, I mean, Cory Schneider, it's Cory Schneider, man. He seems like they got... 50 shots. So they got Vancouver's goalie coach from a few years ago when Cory Schneider was on the rise.

They brought him into New Jersey because he had a rough year last year. He certainly did. And so I guess he's starting to feel confident. Elliott Friedman was talking about that after the game. You know, it's interesting just how important that position is. Goalie coach. I was like, goalie, yes. Yes, well, yeah, goalie, yes.

But goalie coach, because I think being a goalie is a lot like being a pitcher. You're so, it's such a mental game. And neither of you are looking at me right now. I was listening. No. What are you looking at? I'm putting the friggin' end screen on my video. Okay.

I looked, it was the second I looked down, you were like, and neither of you are looking at me. Or listen to my wild thoughts. I am talking into a vacant, empty space. There are roughly 20,000 people listening to you right now. That's true, right. But neither of them are in this room and can respond. You don't have to pay attention to me and Steve. Did you learn nothing from Ron McClain?

That's right. Apparently. I'm talking to one person, Jesse. Talk to the listener. Talking to one person. Well, here's the thing. Not me. I just feel like, you know,

Freddie is going through a little bit of what Freddie went through last year and what Cory Schneider would have gone through last year, and I don't think he's playing like a confident goaltender. You know, the first few games, there was a lot of shots that went in that maybe shouldn't have. Like, I mean, one that comes to mind

is the Richard Ponick goal. Like, you know, bounces off the boards and boards. It's a weird one. It's a power play. You know, like that, those goals don't happen often.

Right? Right. But there were goals like, I think it was Zaka yesterday. I wanted power play one? Yeah. Zaka scored twice.

I wanted him to get the first, the power play one. Yep. I want him to have it. And he should have it. And he is going to have bad nights.

But I think the game in Montreal is going to be A real point of Where is he actually at Well that is the That is the game isn't it Like you can either keep the Habs

Where they are Or you can give them the Offensive outburst that they desperately Need and lose your first Divisional game of the year Right and I like Babcock's Quotes after the game he basically said New Jersey is who I thought

They were and the rest of the team didn't listen Let them off the hook Let him off the hook. He even wore them. And you know, what I liked about New Jersey is they reminded me a lot of what the Leafs were last year. And I don't think, with no disrespect to the talent they have on the team, I don't think they're anywhere close to the talent that the Leafs had last year.

However, they've got some great players. Taylor Hall, Nico Heischer, Will Butcher looked good. Holy smokes, yeah. Oh my god, I didn't realize he had three points in his first game and it was against the Avalanche. It's crazy. That's mean. Yeah, it's sort of mean.

That's not fair. And so I enjoyed watching that just on a pure hockey level That was the only thing I enjoyed about the game Well, and I wanted to chirp them because their first couple goals The celebration was so crazy over the top Like, guys, you scored a first period goal in the fourth regular season game of the year Chill, chill a little bit But they have that air about them that the Leafs sort of had

They're excited Oh my god, we didn't think we were this good It's like a dog catching a squirrel and going I don't know what to do with this I never thought this day would come And here's a squirrel, I think I'll shake it until it dies Sorry Well you had to take it there

But it'll die Remember It certainly will I believe it's toxic shock syndrome I think about that every day Me too But I think for the Devils, they're going to surprise some teams And I think they surprised the Leafs.

I think the Leafs were like, well, you were like, what, 27th last year? How much better can you really be? Forgetting that the Leafs went from 30th to, was it 16th, 17th in the league? What were they last year? 16th, 15th? 16th. 16th. So you can make big jumps.

It is possible. It was exactly the kick in the teeth the Leafs needed. You know, it was a game they obviously took for granted. And it showed. Was it that they took it for granted Or I don't know what it is Because they were so blatantly

The errors were so egregious They were just dumb And two of them belonged to Rosen And I don't know what to blame that on anymore When it comes to him And I know we're only four games in You know he hasn't looked that good Yeah you don't have that much time

To Gain the fan base's confidence But also, I want to know what Babcock's leash is for this guy For Enroth, it was three games Right, now I think in Rosen's case I think it'll be a lot more And I think deservedly so I don't think Rosen's a bad defenseman

You gotta remember I mean, so I was reading It was James Myrtle that said Babcock sheltered the Borgman-Rosen defense pairing And I think they got 82% of their starts in the offensive zone Like that, first off, that's not sustainable so very clearly Connor Carrick

who's injured by the way and that's why he wasn't playing needs to come back and they're probably like okay listen it's good it sucks that

Connor Carrick's injured but now we can find out what we have with Rosen and Borgman I don't think that putting the two of them together is something that

they would normally do well do either of them like are either of them accustomed to playing the right? I don't think so I don't think so either and I noticed it last night

too with Ron Hainsey what a pain in the butt it is to be a left handed defenseman playing the right side because every time that puck squirts Around the board

You have to catch it On your backhand And lift it into the zone again It's hard Some players can do it With ease Matthews a couple times Yesterday

It's such a treat To watch him live It's ridiculous So fun But I mean With Rosen and Borbit I feel like Rosen Is put in a position

Where it's pretty hard To succeed And I think he is A guy that And I would say this about I think he's on the right Yeah I think he is too Yeah

So that's fair I think that it I think it's hard I think it's That's a tough Tough decision And I don't think Mike Babcock's going, well, I'm making the decision now. He actually, he was asked about Rosen specifically after the game,

and he said, everybody was bad. So I think I'm hanging those players out to dry. That's true. But, like, the one giveaway that led to either the fifth or sixth goal, I don't remember, Rosen's in the left corner. So you can't blame it there. And then the other one, like, he just. He got beat on a break.

Well, he gave the puck to him. Yeah, he tapped it with his hand. Yeah, he was on the right side. Might it have been different? I don't know. I didn't like how he looked. Gardner flopping and completely choking on the three-on-five, five-on-three, whatever the hell you want to call it.

I looked at that play. If he just lets the puck go by him, there's no goal there. Or if he gets Gibbons. Nylander's got that guy. You already blew your opportunity at getting the guy with the puck. Cover the other guy. You know, the guy who had the puck, carried it in on Nylander. He got a shot off.

Freddie stopped it. If you just cover the other guy There's no goal there It's a tie game 2-2 And you probably go down to the other end of the ice Score a goal Cause you know 5 on 3

And you're supposed to And then they did have another minute and 40 seconds They did But I wonder I don't know I might have screwed them up mentally I don't know It's just

Well it's like It's like you know At least killed the Jets 7-2 You know Line A scores three minutes in on that one time or whatever, how different is that game? I don't know. Is it just 7-3?

Like, is it just that simple? Or is it a completely, does the game have a completely different makeup? Oh, I think it does. We'll never know. I mean, we'll never know, but I think it does for sure. Freddie doesn't stand on his head in that first little bit. Like, that's embarrassing. The whole bench is going,

he got sniped on five on three. The last time I can remember that happening was like six years ago. It's happened, they said, twice in the last, this was the second time it's happened in the last five years. Second time it's happened in New Jersey Devils history, and it's been 20 years. Wow. I remember Bozak doing it against the Devils. Oh, wow. Really? I worked at Leafs TV, and the reason I remember such a specific thing is because there was not much to highlight when I worked at Leafs TV.

They finished like 29th and 26th or something when I worked there. It wasn't good. No. It wasn't good. Not good when the only thing you cover is the Leafs. So when you look at a game like this, let's go through some of the numbers here. I think this is really, really interesting. There's a few things that were frustrating about watching this game live

because I was also there. The first thing to me, beyond the play of the team, was the penalties. It's unwatchable. What did they say? The first, okay, what was it? 64% of the game.

It's been on special teams? Was played at even strength. Only 64%. If your name, no, without mentioning names, if you don't play on the power play, you don't play on the penalty kill, you don't play on either of them, what are you doing here? I mean, what can you do, right? Like, there's nothing you can do. And that's not everybody's role. Leafs have one of those guys I can think of up front. What are you doing here? Wrestling Adam Henrik? Good. Cool. You were not impressed with him last night. What are you doing here

Let's just talk about Matt Martin I guess Like blew it on the first goal Meaningless fight Ah whatever no We'll take the fight out of it It wasn't meaningless and he had nothing to do with it It led to an instigator Leafs got a power play out of it That was good

But if you're only getting 7 minutes a night Which you're going to They're not going to put you on the power play They're not going to put you on the penalty kill If you're only playing 7 minutes a night You can't be doing what you did on the first goal I don't know Like there are

This is a team So incredibly deep On the wing Give me more Matt Give me more Now You can say that Of everybody

That's true That's true But am I overreacting About Matt Martin Because he had a good Preseason and pretty good First three games Am I just grumpy

I mean I think you're grumpy Because I think Yeah no And I'm grumpy too I think it's The whole team You could say that About Jake Gardner

Jake Gardner had a rough Game last night For a guy who can skate so well, he seems to really struggle turning. Have you noticed that? I'm not good with those details exactly. No, I haven't because I've seen him take it out of the zone and I've seen Morgan Rielly do it where they'll pull it out of the zone, they'll start to skate backwards along their own blue line

and then swivel back with their hips. Yeah. The hard thing, Steve, is that when someone beats you, let's say they beat you on the right side. Sure. What Jake does, and we talked about this on the last show, is he sticks a stick around to hold him up. And I saw it happen

And I go That's exactly what Adam Talked about last show And he got called for it Two penalties last game Another penalty this game And he talked about it After the game

Yeah He said I've been doing it For years He said it's a habit I gotta break Because I've been doing it For years Like Brian McCabe

With the can opener After last off Yes Yeah You know He's like Well that staple Of my game

Is now a penalty So I gotta figure it out Well and the thing With Gardner Is he's got the It's not like he's He's not a guy That gets turn styled

Or should get turnstiled often And three fantastic games heading into this one And you're a defenseman You're going to get beat sometimes The point is Jake Gardner's got the wheels to catch And he needs to realize that And I think yes I think there's a panic when he turns around

And does that And I feel like there doesn't need to be Even if he doesn't have the wheels Take the other guy I get frustrated at the stuff that isn't rocket science Like at the stuff that is very basic Take the other person He's great at complicated stuff, and sometimes the simple stuff evades him.

Well, it's like, okay, he's like, oh, that should be my guy. I'm going to go after that guy. And at the last minute, he decides, oh, Nylander's got him. So he takes no one. Like, he just skates by the net and the situation and everything. Oh, he drives me nuts. He does, but we love him. Oh, we love him, but he drives me nuts.

He also is the Leafs leader in penalties right now with eight minutes thus far this season. What a goon. He had 34 last year, and I believe his career average is somewhere in the 20s. That's insane. The other night, I don't remember if it was the Blackhawks game or not, but there were 28 penalty minutes, no fights. Like, that's crazy. That's insane, yeah.

No one enjoys this. It did make the game very disjointed. Like, it's frustrating to watch. It is. You know who the NHL is trying to get? My wife. Like, that's who the NHL is trying to get to give them more money. You know?

She was there with you? How'd she feel about it? She hated it. The people sitting down the row hated it Like I was saying it in the videos Like it's funny I think we're able to look at it In a different way than most

Because we're looking at the long term And eventually this will go down Well and we have a freaking hockey show And the people listening Are listening to a hockey show You're the top 1% of hockey fans Regular hockey fans Go to a game

Go to a game and listen to the reaction Every time a penalty is called For and against They're just like cool, sure Like they don't know what's going on It's like Blurn Ball from Futurama Like yeah everything you said was right Except for the word Blurn

That's a slash now And I go yeah it is Like one thing I talked about in the video Was they Show the penalty call on the screen And that's Causing the crowd to boo and loudly But they can't get rid of it

They can't like cause it's An educational tool for the crowd now You're explaining to them This is a penalty now And if you take it away, I think that's only going to make them more frustrated. That JVR thing, I saw it as it happened. That led to the Zaka goal. As it happened, I'm like, they're going to call that stupid thing, aren't they?

Yep, they called it. Yeah. Piece of crap. Piece of crap. Like, it's unbelievable. Yeah, so it does interrupt the flow of game. It is a little frustrating. So, Katie, I actually tweeted this out.

I'm like, hey guys, today's a podcast day. Any subjects you want us to cover? Not questions for the press conference, just subjects you want us to cover. And Katie reached out and she's like, hey, is it too early to be worried about both Marner and Anderson? Marner? I don't think Marner's played that great, man. No. He hasn't had the pop in his game that...

You guys realize this is game four. It is game four. So is it too early? It's way too early. There you go. Okay, good. Answer the question. No, I think it's way too early.

But at the same time, Katie, I agree. But it's too early. So maybe I should take what I just said about Marner and dial it back about Gardner, the good and the bad. Matt Martin. Matt Martin and Callie Rosen. Well, again, I think Callie Rosen is in a position where it's too much too soon.

It's like what happened to Connor Carrick last year where he was playing top four minutes. And you know what? He managed it pretty well. That was Gardner's defense partner. Yeah. I think Connor Carrick in this position, you get Connor Carrick back there.

You got a little confidence there. You get a little bit of a guy who's a little bit more at ease. I think it's so funny having Riley with Hainsey. And a big story about that was, oh, Riley for so much of his young career has had so many defense partners. And that couldn't have been good for stability. You think Conor Carrick hears those quotes and he goes, yeah. Or Jake Gardner.

Well, yeah, Gardner too. But I mean, Carrick was on the caps. I don't know if he played with more than one person there Played with their AHL team Played in the Marlies I don't know if he had more than one defense partner there Gets called up He's with Gardner

Can I just be honest with you about something? Yeah sure Anybody that says that What? That what you just said right there Oh the lack of chemistry? Lack of chemistry Can I just say what a load of crap that is?

Okay Alright Cause what do you I think I might agree but let's see Because from the time you are two years old If you strap on skates you were playing with different defense partners every year. That's true.

Like, when you go from AAA to junior, you're like, well, it hurt his development that he went from AAA to junior because, man, he wasn't playing with the same defense partner. Yeah, it wasn't the same guys. Joe from down the street was not good enough to make the junior A team, so I guess... Come on, guys. Come on.

So many of the things that screwed them up yesterday were fundamentals. Yeah. Yeah, maybe you're right. I don't know, man. I just think that's a little much. That's a little much for me to accept. If you at this point haven't figured out how to play with someone new, maybe your chemistry is not great,

but I don't think it hurts your development. Fair enough. No, I don't disagree with that. I'll just say that I'm really enjoying Matthews and Nylander. Yeah, they're fantastic. Again, sometimes chemistry doesn't work. I'm not saying that. It doesn't hurt your development.

That's ridiculous. You are in full control of your development, you and your head coach. You were at the game. Yep. I saw that Marleau led the team in ice up front. That's because he was on all the penalty kills, I think, too. He kills a lot of penalties, and he's on the power play. Because I was going to say, what?

I barely noticed him. Yeah, he had a couple... I thought he had a couple good plays, especially at the beginning of the game. It looked like Kadri and Komarov, and it looked like they were going to capitalize. Their passing was really off the first five minutes. If a couple of those goals go in at the beginning of the game, I think it's, again, a different game.

Like the Jets game! Absolutely. But it didn't work that way. I think, if you look at the ice time right now, I think Austin Matthews got up to, what, 16 and a half, 17 minutes yesterday? Yeah, I don't think anyone got over, like, 17 and a half. Except for Zaitsev. Yeah. Like defenseman.

Yeah. That's wrong. That's not how that should be. Dustin Brown in LA is logging over 20 minutes. The reason is the Leafs keep taking dumb penalties. Matthews hit the ice with like three or four minutes to go, and I'm like, okay, he should play the rest of the game. Yeah.

Like they were only down two goals. Yeah. At the time. Like that's, you can do it. I've seen them do it. I just think right now they're, the team's out of whack because they keep, these slashing penalties keep happening. So anyway, now do you think with Dominic Moore scoring two goals in two games

that that has, I mean, Eric Fair played well. Do they look at that or do they go, well, there's some holes in Dominic's game, There's some holes in Eric's game And we platoon this The guy who tipped in the first goal Was Moore's guy I'm just going to say it You're not going to win all those battles

But Moore also had a goal himself So I guess it cancels it out You know what's crazy about that Moore goal? That was a power play goal Which means Mike Babcock Was crazy enough to put Dominic Moore on the power play He was right in that situation And crazy enough to be right

I would have never I would have never put more in that position. I wonder if he was just there to take the face off and then go back to the bench. He didn't. No, he didn't. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what the logic was.

I guess the logic was, hey, he's good at tipping in pucks in front of the net, because that's how he's got two goals. We're starting to see the JVR contract situation start to bubble under the surface. Yes, I have a hot take. A couple of stories have been published. JVR saying yesterday well you know what you remember when you talk to veterans

guys that have been there before the things that they remember the winning it's not the money and obviously JVR is going to make a lot of money when you look at the way the Leafs contract situation shakes out and the amount of depth they have in the minors to a lot of people myself included doesn't make a lot of sense to

re-sign him even if he does the bonanza 8 year deal for 4 million dollars a year I don't know What do you think, Steve? We are going to have an answer on JVR by Christmas. That is my bold prediction. He will either be extended. I'm serious.

He's either going to be extended or traded by Christmas. Why do you say that? This can't sustain. Well, it's not that it can't sustain. It's why are we hearing about this now? I think because people are asking. And he's answering them, and he's alluding to wanting to stay with the team. Which means they're talking, maybe.

I think they're talking, and now what else do we know about JVR from this past summer with the Islanders? He didn't want to leave. He didn't answer the phone when the Travis Hamannik deal was happening. That's why the deal didn't happen. So the Leafs have a lot of leverage. They've already tried to trade him. They could easily trade him. They could just let him walk.

I don't think he wants. Either of those situations. I don't think he wants to walk. I don't think he wants to leave Toronto. So he wants to stay. Yeah. So, re-sign. And if he doesn't, you get traded.

That's how this works. I think we're going to have an answer by Christmas. But we don't need to re-sign him. I agree. I'll go with JVR. I'm a little concerned that... This is the thing. If you want to stay here, that number needs to...

But is that number going to be Connor Brown? No. It should be, because JVR is replaceable. Whoa now. I'm interested. What do you think? We have so many wingers. We'll just throw one of them in.

I agree. We don't have a winger who's as good as JVR. No, but what's the cost above replacement for JVR? Right, it's not like you get nothing for JVR, which you do if you let him walk. So you get a right-handed defenseman, let's say, for JVR and Connor Carey. Which, let's be honest.

Let's say that. They need it. Maybe. They need it. It kind of looks that way. I'm trying to deny that it looks that way. They need it. I'm hoping it gets better.

But, I mean, this is essentially the same defense core as last year. Even with Hainzian and Hunwick out. I mean, how different is it? You know what moments get me down for some reason? When Zaitsev is a tough guy in front. Whenever I see it I'm like Tough guy

Nikita Zaitsev Sheriff Zaitsev's in town I'm like Oh Oh Nikita Actually I saw A blog T.O. post That Justin Fisher

Again our friend Justin Fisher Retweeted today And basically it said Toronto Toronto crime down Overall And Justin goes

Matt Martin Put in the work What a jerk Justin's an idiot No but Yeah So Are you

Are you in agreeance then, Jesse? Yeah. It gets solved by Christmas, I think. Tell me how a Carl Grunstrom doesn't come in and do... Well, he's over in Sweden. Yeah, sure. But tell me how he doesn't come in and score 15 goals. And then you take a guy, Kapanen, Johansson.

There's several other guys on the team that I'm not even going to name because I don't need to go into the names. You can look them up on the Marlies. They're good players. Jansson. Jansson. Is it Jansson? Yeah.

Whatever. One S or two. Swedish name. Swedish guy. Riding his bike in Amsterdam Like all the other suites Being all socially responsible Universal healthcare

Gross So you've got JVR is good for 30 goals let's say You scored 29 last year About 30 goal guy So you need to Billy Bean this shit And find two guys who can score 15

Okay well Here's how you do that You call up two wingers I think the Leafs have two wingers who could probably score 15 One of them replaces JVR The other replaces Number 15, Matt Martin Ironically, maybe it's a sign

The hockey gods are talking to you Don't ignore them I just think there's going to be A resolution to this before Christmas Interesting That's an interesting thing Certainly before the trade deadline I don't

It would not be smart To, even if the Leafs are in Contention mode Like contender mode It wouldn't be smart To head into this Upcoming trade deadline With

No answers For JVR Bozak And Komarov All three Give me one I think your answer For Komarov

And I hate to say this Because I love Leo He's gone Is Karl Grunstrom God he's such a good Penalty killer He's Listen

But That's the thing He's such a jerk He's the best I love him However, we have three major contracts coming up. And again, if you want to re-sign JVR, forget. Like, Leo's gone, man.

He's gone. And you have, because you have guys that can do that. You have guys that can come in and do that. Like, JVR's fighting to, like, keep the band together. Like, that whole line, right? If his number stays down, it makes it easier for the team to re-sign his buddy Bozak and re-sign his buddy Marner. And trade for his buddy Kessel.

Yeah! No, no, no, no. The Penguins need to get rid of Malkin. Acquire Kessel? Very good. Yes, that's what I heard. Nobody knows more about hockey than you. Oh, that's true.

Don't forget it. That's true. Read my column. No, I think this will get solved before Christmas. Okay, interesting. Now, what do you think's more likely? And I want to ask you both this question, and I'm throwing this out there on Reddit and Twitter.

I just want everybody's hot takes on this, okay? So this is a hot take moment. I don't know if I can get hot. Is it a re-sign, or is it a trade? And if it is a re-sign, what's it for? And if it is a trade, not a name Don't give me a name, but what is it for? I think

Give me your hot takes T-A-E-K-S God Trade Because they already tried to Okay And for? Right handed defenseman

Jesse I think it's fairly obvious, right? Jesse? Yeah, I think it's a trade because the money that you're saving plus calling greening on the wing is worth more than re-signing him for $5 million and not having that money. What Jesse said, except why call him greening? Ben Smith. You just went, no, no, no. Marley's, mmm, yes.

Literally. All right. Marley's winger. Let's say Kapanen. Kapanen. That's a guy I would love to... Johnson, Bracco. You know what Kapanen does?

He can play the penalty kill and the power play. And the power play, wow. No. Just like Dominic Moore. That's right. I mean, apparently. I had no idea. Listen, I have no...

Listen, I don't have a problem with... If Babcock thinks that Dominic Moore is the guy to take the face off on the power play, fine. I don't think the power play is a problem. I'm not going to focus on that. I think it's going to be... It's going to be defensive. Falling over on the power play is a problem. Yes, that's an issue.

I think, yeah I'm going to stick to Christmas, damn it But before the deadline I am also going to say trade I'm not convinced that it's before Christmas As much as I support you, my friend I'm not convinced it's before Christmas I do think it happens before the trade deadline

I don't think it's their style to go into the trade deadline And go, okay, big blockbuster deal But I think that they bring back A guy that's steady Steady Eddie, right-handed defenseman I.E. a Demers and you know I think that ship's sailed well I think that's on him but that particular type of defenseman I know Chris Tanev would be great but I don't think Chris Tanev is worth the

first overall pick in their first round pick in the end the JVR that they want and what is what does Vancouver want with with Tanev or sorry with uh JVR if they can resign him now maybe that becomes a situation like the one we talked about last episode with Colorado and Ottawa what if Vancouver. Colorado. Colorado. What if Vancouver is able to get Tanev? Or sorry, sorry.

Geez. Vancouver for Tanev is able to get JVR and a little something. And then because JVR is a UFA, they're able to flip them. So you double down. That's a good question. Double dip, whatever. Yeah. Maybe.

Maybe. Maybe. I feel like it gets done before Christmas because I feel like this needs to be a hockey trade, like a player for a player. and those tend to get done before the deadline. So you're saying it shouldn't be a baseball trade or a basketball trade. It's got to be a hockey trade.

Datum. Sorry, I just... I did not... You know what? Screw it. I'm dipping into the coffee. I'm dipping into the coffee. I'm too slow.

Do you trade JVR for another guy who's on an expiring deal and then go in free agency and get your defenseman there? I don't think so. No, okay. Well, if you trade JVR for another guy on an expiring deal, what's the point of trading JVR? Unless you're a defenseman.

You swap it for a defenseman. Oh, yeah. Who wants to resign? Yeah, okay. Yeah, that could... Who do we got? Who do we got? Let's look.

The UFA class of 2018? Yes. Well, Steve's looking that up. I want to caution here, because I don't want people to assume that we think that all the Marlies would be able to step up and go yes I do I do as well yeah do you think they could no also we know that Matt Martin is in the lineup he's a staple in

the lineup so the guys he's not going anywhere so you do lose a few goals you know or Connor Brown steps up and is in that position and they do Bozak Brown Marner which you know what I don't hate I think that's actually a pretty cool line also if you're listening to us live right now what should probably turn us

off and listen to the last episode of Greg and Jeff, which is going on live. Oh, it's happening live? No one listens to us live. Are you sure? Do we have a live stream? Are you sure no one's listening live right now? Only us, I think. Oh, wow. Yeah, I think American Wyszynski. Okay.

So, just go over that. They're like a step ahead in terms of the technology. They do the show live and then record it and send it out. Hey, there's some pretty interesting options. So, what do we got? Top option With a cap hit of 6 million bucks Detroit Red Wings

32 year old right handed defenseman Mike Green Yeah but what does Detroit want with JVR Divisional rival Shoot okay Also just what do they want with JVR Yeah they're rebuilding Oh yeah right that wouldn't make sense You're right

Winnipeg Toby Enstrom They got some interesting defense going on I don't think they do it but hey Vegas has Jason Garrison who I'm looking at his numbers and nah dog yeah I don't think so new what happened to him what

happened to him yeah Tampa fans help us out because he went from 33 points 30 points 11 9 in roughly the same amount of games what yeah I don't know about that Jack Johnson no thank you Alexia Mellon no thank you Kevin BX uh is a Righty, not the best E. You know what would be cool?

Anaheim. That would be neat. That's an interesting thought. It's not ideal. I don't love it. I don't know how they would fit that under the cap, too. I also look at Colorado. It's actually almost equal money.

Are Tyson Berry or Eric Johnson available? Let's look. I don't mean by free agents. I just wonder. I call Colorado and go, hey, are they available? Can we flip you JVR and a prospect for one of those two? See, again, the whole JVR angle doesn't really make much sense. Yeah.

Eric Johnson is locked in forever. One, two, three, four, five, six years at $6 million. When did that happen? And Tyson Berry has three years left at $5.5 million. I don't hate that deal. That's probably why they want to hang on to him, though. Yeah, exactly. Like, if it's a good deal, it's a good deal.

I think what we have to do is wait. Let's not look through this now. But what we do is you look at Here are playoff teams Who are going to have trouble scoring Because there will be playoff teams That also have trouble scoring That just inevitably happens each year

The playoff teams that have trouble scoring I think are going to be interested in a guy like him If the Leafs don't re-sign him That's why I don't know I think come trade deadline Some sort of JVR BXA deal could make sense But the Ducks need to sweeten that

BXA? I don't know dog mean either, but look, we're trying to make it work here. That's why I'm saying it's not going to be expiring for expiring. Okay. Fair enough. Not BX then. I don't know what it is, but it'll happen before Christmas. Yeah. You're, um,

you're that Taurus Duchesne thing. Damn. That was just, I thought about that all day. Really? After the show. Yeah, I think it could make sense. I think it does make sense, but it's a matter of whether they want to do it or not. And

Actually Aaron wanted to know When you thought Vegas and New Jersey Would fall back to earth And I guess you could say The same thing about Colorado Eh

It's the first ten games Like Anything can happen Jeez who's more likely We haven't even reached five No exactly It's not even ten No

When will they fall back to earth After game four When will Nail Yakupov And the Colorado Avalanche Hit a wall Something that's interesting though Vegas has a

Seven game homestand To start their season Wow So after It was their first game on, when was it, yesterday? They played two games on the road. Yeah, and then now, starting now, they have six more at home. Wowzers.

That's cool. That's good that the NHL did that. The scheduling is great. Brilliant. Let them build a fan base right off the bat. Sure, absolutely. And I think they did a lot to endear themselves to the fans. Of course, with the Vegas Strong, the way that they started their season,

I thought was incredible that they pulled the advertising off the boards and threw Vegas Strong up on the boards. I thought it was great. I would encourage you to read What Dave Loza wrote for Vice Not all of you are going to like it Yeah, you're not all going to like it But what I appreciate about what he said was

And this is sort of the crux of it, I'm paraphrasing But this is all great Yeah, this is wonderful This has become routine This is just what we do We honor people, and I think it's been since 9-11 That we've, you know Honor this, honor the victims that died

After, and then do nothing Yeah, do nothing about the problem Yeah, now, after 9-11 They obviously did something about the problem Or tried to, so a different situation But I would encourage you to read that He did that for Vice Sports and I thought it was really good Well written

Beyond that, I want to talk about Montreal Because as reported yesterday By Eric Angles The Montreal Canadiens sent out an email to all 30 other clubs And said if you're interested in Mark Strait We're trying to trade him And today he was put on waivers Right. And that is because of the imminent arrival of David Shlemko, who, again, I really wish the Leafs had targeted, especially for what they gave up to get him. I believe it was like a fourth round pick or something. And even if it was less than that or more than that, it wasn't much. And this is a guy with really strong, I think, strong numbers for what he's been given credit or what he's not been given credit for. He's pretty strong in terms of advanced stats.

Yeah, I think he's a lefty. They really, really do. It would be nice to have... God, they need Conor Carrick back. Yeah, they do. They need another right-handed shot there. People have already asked me this morning, will the Leafs put in a claim for Mark Strait?

And I did a little comparison in the hero charts with him and Ron Hainsey. Okay. Two ancient men. Two ancient guys. So Mark Strait's making a million bucks. So it's not huge money. Leafs can afford it.

However do you do it Because So they're ice time Together Ron Hainsey's rated as a 7 Mark Strait is 6 So Comparable

That's how much ice time they got Ron Hainsey Is a 4 in goals Strait is a 6 in goals First assist They're both a 4 Shot generation 6 to 4

Strait over Hainsey And then shot suppression Hainsey just edges him out 5 over 4 So they're almost They're tied 4-4 What's that?

4-4. Yeah, they're somewhat... I mean, straight is, I guess, a little bit more offensive, but it's like... Don't claim straight. Don't claim straight. Don't. No. You don't need it.

No. No. Like, if... What's the problem? Defense! All right, well, here's a guy. No, no, no, no, no. No.

Unfortunately, it's like what Montreal did at the trade deadline. Like, we need better players. Let's go get a bunch of... Fourth liners? That's the... You know, that's the thing. is that the Leafs are trying to shore up the bottom end of their defense.

But the problem is that the top end of their defense isn't good enough. And it wasn't good enough last year, and I still don't think it is. Now, they seem to want to be able to do that by committee, and I hope that they can, but I do think that there's going to have to be a move where they bring in somebody who is a legitimate,

minute-eating, Star Wars kind of guy. If you're trying to become a gym leader in Pokemon, the answer is not more Pokemon. It is better Pokemon Bingo I'm sure you all understand Or improve the Pokemon you have Or improve, yes, rare candies

Also help, also like beating up Rattatas and Pidgeys Stuff like that Leaf's next opponent is the Montreal Canadiens And I would have brought them up either way Because the Montreal Canadiens are fascinating Already and we're four games in In four games

The Montreal Canadiens have scored four times There is only one player On that team And thank you to Darcy For sending this to me That has two points For reference Is that Druin?

I'll look at it I didn't even For some reason I didn't write that down It doesn't even matter For reference There are 15 Leafs With two or more points

Right now Now they've had A bit of a ridiculous start It's not going to sustain Berkshire posted Something about their PDO Is it through the roof? No

It's terrible The Leafs PDO? Oh, no, no, no. Sorry, the Haps. I don't know what the Leafs is. Oh, yeah. It's funny. I don't think the Leafs is even that good because their shooting percentage is probably

sky high, but their save percentage sucks. Yeah. So. Is scoring really a problem? I guess you sort of just answered that. Or are they just having a slow start? Because they are having a slow start. I think there is already trouble in paradise because they just, I was reading the line

combinations before we started recording and Gauch is on the fourth line. He was yesterday, too. In the game. Pretty sure, yeah That was the line combinations in the morning skate Oh, I didn't know that I didn't see the line combos It's hard to stay on top of all 30 whatever it is teams

Wowzers, really Really And that's Julian And he's locked in forever And Galt's just signed that deal You know Hot take, the Leafs should let the Habs win Let them off the hook

They've made a shitty team Don't give them any excuse to change anything Let them off the hook Let them keep believing Just keep firing it right at Carey Price's chest You probably will anyway And just go, oh no, nuts Oh now what'll we do

And then go slaughter your next four or five opponents Well if there is a team that Montreal should want to play at this point You know, it's the Leafs It's the Leafs defense It is Now, they're saying Connor Carrick will be ready for Saturday. I do think that makes a bit of a difference. And in actual practical terms, the Leafs would never let the Habs just win.

Right? That would just never happen. But. All right, guys, here's what you're going to do. Nothing. You're going to do nothing. You're going to go out there, and you know how you played accidentally against New Jersey? All right, I want you to do that on purpose.

No, against Montreal. Yeah. But if Montreal, if I'm a Montreal Canadiens fan, that's pretty good. I don't mind that. I don't mind that. You don't mind that matchup? I don't mind that matchup. You certainly take your chances.

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. I do think that Montreal's just got some gigantic holes up front, and are we surprised? Like, again, when Radulov left, they had the cap space to sign him. They still have cap space. They still have tons of cap space. They had it. And all they had to do was go, all right, fine.

It's amazing that they have all that cap space, and they still found themselves in a situation where they had to waive a guy in order to get another guy back. That's true. Yeah, it's just It's a poorly managed team They didn't do a good job But what was this nonsense About Mark Bergevin was at an Islanders game

Recently, did you hear about that? No They're Really, really Blatantly Out in the open flirting with John Tavares They want him They want him bad

And I don't know if they're going to wait for the summer I wonder if they try to make a deal for him What do they have to give him? Galch and etc I don't know Is that Houdon and Mete too? Like what do you give them? Yeah it'd have to be like

Galch Houdon First Maybe Mete You have to give them everything Yeah you gotta Like you already lost Circuit Chef Now here's the fun part

Bergevin makes really bad deals And also really good ones His opponent in this situation Would be Garth Snow Yeah, you almost have to Like when you're lying in a trade It's like GM versus GM A little bit

It's like their own games Their own matchups Someone needs to run over Garth Snow's phone That's what I'm saying Run it over with the car That they keep in the corner I don't think they're going to trade him, man I just don't

They just announced the bid For the new arena deal there and the new owners just took over and the new owners have already said our goal is to have nobody remember our names. That's their goal. All they want is, hey, the New York Islanders got good a couple years ago

and found a home, like a for real home. And they're working with the Oak View Group, with Tim Lightwicky. The forever home. It's like a dog in a shelter. You can take the Islanders home to their forever home. I don't know, man. I just don't see them.

Some rich guy holding John Tavares, stroking his belly. But what does John Tavares want? Maybe he doesn't want to play on the Iowans. Because it will be at least three years before they're in the new arena. I don't think the bid's been accepted yet. Yeah, it's not confirmed that the arena's happening. Well, we know JVR's not going there. I don't know.

It's a good question. I don't know. It's like, hey, John, when you're 30, we're finally going to have a good spot. There are too many weird, wonky things going on in the NHL. Leafs have too many pending free agents for a team that should be good. Habs have $8 million in cap space and a desperate GM. Vegas has 19 defensemen and is winning for some stupid reason. And is undefeated.

There are, oh my, and Duchesne requested a trade. The Sens are shopping tourists. There is some wacky stuff going on and nothing has happened. Yep. Well, we said that last year and nothing happened. You know, I think we expected too much. Stuff happened, though. Has Carey Price played poorly?

How much of this is on him? I mean, it's pretty hard to blame it on him when he's getting a goal average per game. Like, I think it would... What did they lose to Chicago? 3-0? 3-1. Was it 3-1? Oh, they got one.

They got one. They won in that game. I mean, three. They have been shut out. I can't say for sure because, honestly, I haven't watched a full Montreal. You got shelled in that one Caps game, but the whole team stunk. The whole team stunk, top to bottom. And Ovechkin's been on a tear.

Eight and four. Eight goals in four games. He's on pace for 164 goals. They're already talking about that. It's going to happen, too. He's going to do it. They wrote an article, can you do 50 and 50? I would love that.

Oh, how great would that be? I think it was Sportsnet. I want him to do 50 and 36. He almost did it once. He almost did it already. Did they write that article in 1987? Dude, it's Ovechkin. Ovechkin doesn't give a damn about era, anything.

No, he doesn't care. He doesn't care. Last year was an off year, like 33 goals. What a bum. You know why, though? He's not a student of the game. Remember. Always remember, not a student of the game.

And now he's going to be a 40-goal scorer before Americans are carving their turkey. It's seriously unbelievable, this guy. Two hat-tricks to open the season. Eight goals? Two hat-tricks. He has four times more goals As the Habs leading scorer Has points

Ovechkin has twice as many goals As the Canadians In the same amount of games Wow Yeah I was just going to say Austin Matthews and JVR both have 75% of Canadians goals They both have three

So they both Crazy Ovi's just Just crazy He is crazy It's crazy And it's nice to see crazy Ovi I love crazy Ovi

When he goes on hot streaks It's crazy It's not like oh he got 5 goals in 7 games What a hot streak No no no it's 15 goals in 7 games Or something stupid like that I said it kind of jokingly last show But I actually think it was a decent point

The Caps are getting back to their roots Mako Vetch can do everything Play your best players the most So it's not Carey Price's fault I wouldn't say so My answer is it's never Carey Price's fault But if he doesn't stand on his head Then it's his fault

Well hey there Well Jesse he does make 10 million dollars a year So or does that start next year Next year Next year So no not yet Not yet that starts next year I think it was pointed out to me

On Twitter the other day Even if Montreal wants to rebuild It will be very hard because they have Carey Price You trade him for John Tavares Oh We got it Done We got it

There you go Yeah man There's your future There it is And then Bergevin goes And now we go for the Oh no I thought

No And Jeff Molson's in the other room going Mark Mark You rascal I would love to play whack-a-mole with Mark Bergevin He'd be so bad He really would

Yeah Again there's that Half complete Rubik's Cube Have you ever done You ever done your hair And somebody says If you try to do your hair Too much

You overdo it And then it's not as good After the shower Oh Anyone who is Anyone who draws As like a hobby Like you're into sketching

You know how many things I've been like This is really good This is very good This is perfect I fucked it up I'm throwing it away You know how many

It's just like Oh very good Very good I ruined it If I want to say To Mark Bergervan From two years ago Just don't touch it.

Leave it. Stop picking at it. Mark Bergevin's going to be the next commissioner. Quit picking at it. Seriously, he's going to become the next commissioner. Neil Yakupov and the Colorado Avalanche are 3-1-0. Neil Yakupov is leading the team in scoring with three goals and two assists in four games. Delicious.

Delicious. Are they for real? No. But Yak might be. Maybe he's finally getting an opportunity? I don't know. It was just weird to me that, okay, he has some gaps in his game. He has some things that aren't good, granted.

But then Edmonton, Edmonton didn't really do this, sort of, but in St. Louis they did. He's not a role player. Yeah, they had him in like the third line. Yeah, that's why he was a healthy scratch for, oh, you can't even play on the third or fourth line. He's not that kind of player. Put him in a position to succeed.

Yak might not be a first overall pick But he can do something for you Either everyone was completely wrong On this guy being a top five talent Or We've missed something I find it interesting that certain players get a pass for that And certain players get taken to the

The wall for it Like Vanek Thomas Vanek is a basically one dimensional guy And always has been He scores goals But yet how many teams are lining up to give him ridiculous extensions and then buying him out and then signing him again. And it's like, why does Thomas Vanek get a pass for that,

but Yakupov doesn't? I think people are fed up with Vanek. Sure, but it took them a while to get there. He also had a resume of being like a 40-goal scorer. Okay, fair, yeah. He did do it. He didn't really. I don't know.

I just feel like, eh. I mean, Vanek's a very strange guy. When was Yak ever put in a position to succeed is my question, where his skill set would be maximized? I mean, he was with McDavid for a while. And they played well And then McDavid broke His collarbone

Yeah It was Benoit Or was it Pouliot And Yakupov and McDavid Yeah and the McYakpoo line That was a great line As people tweeted at me Is that a thing

People said McYakpoo Yeah we said it on the show Not for long McYakpoo I think it lasted 40 games And then McDavid left And the X Factor

On that line left Let's move on From 31 thoughts From Elliot Friedman There's a couple things And I thought this was great Cause It's throwing me off

That it's called that Rarely Do you Yeah it still throws me off too Rarely do you hear Elliot get exasperated about anything Oh boy But I saw two points and 31 thoughts this week That he was clearly

Fed up Was it about Twitter? No Oh because he does not like Twitter No I know he doesn't he actually told us on this show a couple years ago he doesn't even read the replies That's true He just kind of retweets people he follows I think he's a dirty liar

I think anyone who says that is a dirty liar Well in his case At that level Like, you think about it, he's got, what, half a million followers? He couldn't possibly, like, read them and have a conversation. No. But if you get, like, to half a million followers, you imagine just per capita amount of shit. Like, hate that you get.

Yeah, think of how many jerks you've ever met in your entire life. Now put that on the scale of half a million people. And sports jerks. And sports jerks, yes. Which are intense. Yes. All right, what were his two things? Okay, so exasperated Elliot, number one.

I'm going to read directly. The NHL and the NHLPA's next face-to-face meeting about the international calendar is Thursday in Toronto. So today, right here in Toronto. It's a gray, kind of stormy day, so you would think that the negotiations might be a little bit testy, because people are a little testy today. Bedman's in town. Yes. He brought in the clouds.

There is some question about whether or not everyone wants to go back to China, because this time around it didn't make money. Now, he puts in brackets, the promoter takes the risk on that, Not the league or the union So it's the promoter That lost money Here's where Elliot Gets exasperated

I can't even believe This is an issue Can Elliot not even Elliot can not even That's amazing He said You're gonna go once And give up

Four years from the Olympics Question mark I'd like to see them Go to France and Germany too Since the world championships Were just there The people who run the NHL Are stupid

Can we just say it Like can we just say it Like Elliot Freeman is far too classy To say these sorts of things He's exasperated But since we're from Scarborough and therefore the gutter We'll say it The people who run this league are

Morons They're greedy, out to lunch Don't understand how the world works Morons, they're dumb, they're stupid They don't know what they're doing Well they did make a lot of money being that Anybody they can afford to own an NHL team Not in hockey, not in hockey

No, no, no, if you can afford to own an NHL team, you made money somewhere else Okay, they're moronic when it comes to hockey though I don't give a shit how you made your money You own a hockey team But I'm going to sue my dad for $100 million for my inheritance money Like, if you, if you, if someone, if some crazy billionaire worth $75 billion bought the Leafs And then turned it to shit Like, I don't care how you made your $75 billion.

I'm a Leafs fan, and my team sucks now because of you. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just, I don't care how you made your money. It's irrelevant to me. I'm a hockey fan. Can you make my hockey team good? And can you grow the game?

Can you grow the game? Which is in your interest. Yes. Your business interest. Yes. Oh, it didn't make money. That wasn't the point, dickhead! You go to China to build the, oh, really?

You didn't make money at the games where before the game you had someone get on the on the intercom and tell everyone watching the rules Really that wasn't profitable for you you dick of course it didn't make money You're trying to build the game. They don't they don't know the fucking thing. That's why you're there dick you're trying to promote it for when four years from now because they didn't watch it at the fucking olympics in korea because you're not going you're trying to teach them the sports you dig which is that is friedman's subtext he's just a classier person than me and also friedman has to talk to these guys i don't i never want to meet gary betman

There's plenty of AIs I can talk to When we have Gary on the show, I'll play him that clip No, he's not allowed to come on the show Like, I don't care That's right, you're banned I'm locking you out Gary Bettman, lock it You can't come on the show

Did we just ban Gary Bettman from our show? Yes, we did Steve did Remember, I think it's a democracy here, though I think Steve speaks for all of us If I have to have a one-on-one conversation with Gary Bettman I think I'd have a stroke Like, I really do

Like, I think just for how mad I would get. But Steve, the doctor said your blood pressure is fantastic. No. Did you clean out your ears? No, yes, I did. I have, like, supersonic hearing today, and I'm listening to how loud I am, and it's scaring myself. No, but somebody didn't make money.

You're a dick. Like, you're so stupid. Well, I'll tell you. I'm sorry, everyone who's trying to listen to this with kids in the car, but it's just... So is he banned or not? No. Yes, he's banned. No.

I'd love to have a conversation. Listen, I disagree with just about everything the man says, but I'd still like to talk to him. Pulling the name on the show card, he's banned. He's banned. I am not for the ban. He would never come on this show. I'm just saying I've submitted my vote. I would love to have Gary Bettman on the show.

Gary, if you're listening, you're welcome to come on. Love to interview you. Disagree with you, but would be able to have a conversation with you. Steve couldn't. I think Steve absolutely could. I think Steve's a little heated right now, but I think he'd be fine. Do you know how many accidents that would cause? You know how many people listen to this?

to get away from that. And they would just veer off the freaking road. Mass deaths. You know how I just talked about that's on, and that would be on my hands because I voted for him.

Yes, you would. That would be all your fault, Adam. That would be all your fault. Tens of thousands of people killed themselves across the country listening to Gary Bettman talk to Steve Beck. We post a podcast afterwards,

zero listens, everybody's dead because everybody died listening to it. You know how many people listen to this on the subway? Okay, this is going to be what the people around them hear the day after. Oh, fuck off! They're just going to be sitting there randomly swearing to themselves with a mad look on their face. They're going to be sitting there with a mad look on their face,

and they're going to be accidentally staring through someone, and that someone is going to think that they're staring at them, and then they're going to punch them in the face. And it's going to change their entire life, because we had Gary Bevin on the show, Adam. I'm not going to risk it. I like our listeners too much. Steve could have a conversation with Gary Bettman I think he could And I think he would be very respectful

No, my first question, Gary, what was the last authentic thing you said? Remember what Ron said Ron McLean He's a lawyer, he speaks like a lawyer Yeah, like a dick Like, say something that means anything I'm just waiting for the tweet from the lawyer Hey, lawyer here, paid to be a dick

It's my job And Gary Bettman gets paid quite well to be a dick As does Roger Goodell As does Adam Silver A smart person that doesn't make him a smart person. Actually, although I would take Adam Silver or any of those yahoos. I love him. I don't care.

Sorry, we only got through one point there. That's one point. The next one's going to bug you, too. But for this one, here's the thing. You didn't make any money. You dick. The way that guys... I want reality show, okay?

Someone get a Patreon together for this. Reality show where NHL owners have to make a profitable lemonade stand. You put them on a street corner in Toronto. And they've got to make a lemonade stand. Do they have a budget, or can they spend all the money? They've got to make profit somehow. I want to see if they can do it. I don't think you could.

I don't think you could. So? I think you'd buy an 18,000-seat arena and get $7,500. When you are the head of a big corporation, and I work for a big corporation, so I can speak to this, your first job and only job is to make money, right? You've usually at that point gotten your hands into multiple different things. what becomes ingrained in you

especially if you weren't there for the genesis of the company is that everything you do needs to make money otherwise it needs to be cut and it sometimes is the issue when it comes to broadcasting because there are a lot of shows that take two or three years to get off the ground

and I think that the whoever in the NHL or NHL PA and I believe it's just really the NHL because I don't think the PA is going to agree with this or agree with the NHL owners on this one has to remind them that if you are growing,

if you are in a new spot and no one's ever heard of you before, but you still want to establish yourself there, you're going to have to take a loss. And that's just the way it is. So Martin St. Louis wasn't good right away and teams gave him a chance and they fostered his growth

and they really gave him a shot and then he turned into a hockey all-fame player. Anyway, China out. Like they don't pay attention to the shit going on in their own league. Listen. I hate these guys. I hate them. I hate them so much. Holy smokes. Um, I feel

They're just ruining the sport. I feel that that's the viewpoint that they're coming from. Oh. However, if you've started your own business and if you're an entrepreneur right now back me on this. You know what it's like to lose money in the hopes that you're going to gain it all back and more in the future. And we've done it.

We did it with this show. Yeah. I mean, if we had based this show and its first episode Whether or not Our metric for success was Whether or not we're going to make money No money on the first show, cancel it We were a thousand dollars in the hole

I think on the first show Because we had to buy equipment We had to sign up for SoundCloud You know, we spent some money To make some money I don't I'm yelling and screaming Because I feel like they didn't

Hear these basic things the first time But again, remember that Before you get frustrated Just remember the viewpoint No, we're past that Okay Second thing that is exasperating for Mr. Elliot Friedman, I am assuming I'm putting words in his mouth, but it's just the way he wrote this. I thought this was interesting.

He rarely writes with any sort of toot. He actually wrote this in all caps. Yes. Did he actually? And on Twitter in a thread. Yes. Oh. And he said, and he started it with, this is problematic.

Thread. This. Is problematic. If I read this is problematic one more time. I think you all need to read this. Even if it is problematic, find a different way to say it, please. Let's have a little creativity. Make sure you indicate that a threat is incoming.

Yes. It needs to be threat one of. My column. Only it's on Twitter. Penn's ownership should step up, he believes. And here's what he said. Someone in Pittsburgh ownership, bracket, or the president slash CEO should step up into the spotlight and answer for going to the White House. Whether you agree or disagree, it is a controversial decision.

And you know our opinions on this. It is a controversial opinion. I don't think Elliot's stating anything that you believe one or you believe the other. Controversial. Polarizing. That's what controversy is. Mike Sullivan and Sidney Crosby should not be shouldering all of the heat. I agree.

Being the coach and or the captain means you accept a lot of the responsibility and they've taken their share. But the decision to go was made by, was made higher up the food chain. Step up. Wow. He said step up at the end. No, absolutely. I agree.

You know what? I think anybody, I think both sides can agree on that, right? Yes. Sullivan, I think Elliot nailed it. Sullivan had a chance to make a difference in this. Crosby had a chance to make a difference in this. But ultimately, the owners are doing what owners do. They're doing what they do. Owners are going to own? Making dumb decisions behind the scenes and not showing up. But owners can do that. They can do that. That's the privilege of being rich, is you can make those dumb decisions and go, well, someone else's problem. Isn't Mario Lemieux part owner? Yeah, he was there.

Like, he's in the picture. Listen, I do... You know what? The way Elliot put it is interesting, because here's the thing. We did put a lot on Sidney Crosby, and my position remains the same on that. Let's not get into it. However... Well, who has more power and influence in the NHL?

The Penguins' ownership or Crosby? Well, behind the scenes, Penguins' ownership. I think it's Crosby. Anyway, regardless of that, I'm not getting into that, because we know. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. Okay? Yep. So Crosby's responsibility, quite frankly, in his contract and with that C on his shoulder, is to take some social responsibility and leadership in the community, but mostly to take responsibility for the team on the ice, as is Mike Sullivan's job.

We went through all that, yeah. That's my point. I agree with Elliot on that. And that's why Elliot's exasperated. And it'll be interesting to see if we have any more exasperated posts from Elliot Friedman because it's so weird. He's usually just such a neutral guy. You know Does going to the White House make money?

Okay No We're moving on Moving on I don't want to get into this But what I do want to get into is this headline Are you guys ready for this? Answer the question

Because if it doesn't they should stop going Regardless of who's president Steve Does Tim Bitts hockey make money? Because if it doesn't, we should stop letting kids play hockey. Imagine all of our moms and dads had said, well, you want to play hockey? Is that going to make us any money? Yeah, I don't think so.

Imagine Drew Dowdy's parents said, you know what? It's not going to make us any money, so I don't think so. Get into the coal mines and start digging, Drew. I think Drew Dowdy playing hockey did make money. Eventually. Eventually. It did. It paid off, but I'm just imagining.

Will going to the White House eventually make money? Yeah. Okay, they gave him that custom golf bag. Guys, stop it. I don't want to talk about this. Imagine how much a custom golf bag costs. At what point are the Penguins going to take fiscal responsibility and stop going on frivolous trips and giving frivolous gifts?

Hey, it was privately funded. Although you could say it's publicly funded because the fans with the tickets paid for that. But anyway, I do want to throw this out there. We set up a Patreon so the NHL can go to China. I did find it funny that the president was not handed a jersey. And I also found it funny that they did not take a picture with him. Well. Just throwing that out there.

Just find it funny. And I think either side of the coin, wherever you are on this, that's a little bit weird. Don't you think? Videos are 29.97 pictures a second. Yeah. There are pictures. So, I want to read you this headline. And I think it will brighten the mood.

Because I knew we were going to get exasperated. exasperated and then I wanted it I wanted this I think one of us got the rest of us laughed if you're not laughing at Steve right now I don't know what you're doing with your life come on if you think that was a little much I don't know

how you stumbled upon this show Newsweek headline did Trevor Bauer's support for Donald Trump cost the Indians the ALDS I saw that headline and it's completely valid yes it did yeah sure Yeah, he was a jerk before the Trump stuff

But beyond that, I don't care where you stand politically What a dumb thing to write Well, it's just an inflammatory headline I assume the article is Well, the article is actually just a rip-off of a Deadspin article And all it said in it was that Trevor Bauer He got lit up in Game 4, which we all know He went to the showers after two and a half innings

And took a shower, went on Twitter And people were ripping him on Twitter By the way, if you're having a bad day and you've had a bad performance publicly, don't go on Twitter. Oh, he loves his Twitter. Anyway, he went on Twitter and started blocking people, and Deadspin said, well, you know, Trevor Bauer had a blocking fiesta after the thing. So Newsweek takes it and goes, well, maybe he wasn't focused before the game,

and did Trevor Bauer supporting Trump cost them the ALBS? What a joke of a headline. What a joke of a premise, and I'm sorry. Didn't stop Tom Brady. Liberals, conservatives, wherever you stand, I think we can all agree that that was pretty dumb. Yeah, it was pretty stupid. There's a lot of stupid going around. I was in such a good mood Adam

I'm sorry That's a dirty lie At least last night What would put you in a good mood right now What could we do What would put me in a good mood Geez I'm not even done being angry on this show I had something else to say

Did you? And another thing Yeah What do you think would put me in a good mood I'm asking I don't know Jesse do you have any suggestions Like what could we do with Steve I don't know I don't know Steve

I think we should let him be upset for his next topic and then we'll give him the good stuff and let him I don't know if I have good stuff to give him I mean the press conference sometimes has good stuff I'm going to leave that to you then

the last topic that we have on the docket which is weird because it normally takes us a little bit longer to get through all the stuff that we wanted to get through Stendo press conference Is our buddy Dark Guy Got himself a show Yes he did It's a radio show

Congratulations Jason Maslako Congratulations Jason What is Jason Maslako Maslako Now you know why he goes by Dark Guy Or on Twitter Maz

No congratulations to him And I genuinely mean that TSN Not allowed to talk about them But no I'm going to Because I want to congratulate him And also I saw some people

Angry that he got a show and there's a term called mad online and i think these people are good people they're just being mad online for no good reason um it's it was really interesting seeing the people who negatively received dark guy getting a show because i've been on both sides of the criticism i've a lot of people don't think you deserve a show a lot of people don't think i deserve a show a lot of people don't think i deserve to be on sports net on their website have my own podcast etc etc uh so i understand you know who the hell is this guy he just yells and he's some weird he's some leafs weirdo that's what me and dark i have in common we're the freak

in the room so i get that um then i also understand the mostly 20 somethings coming out and going i busted my ass doing this i busted my ass doing that and this freaking guy gets a show i know because i've been down that road oh look at this guy's got a show this show's freaking stink so i could do a better show than that oh look at this oh freaking oh man our podcast that we've been doing for six months we were better than way we're way better than half of the stuff on the air on tsn on sportsnet on everything like when i was an intern i was a full-time media critic oh oh did i know everything when i was 19 oh was i so smart if you made me the program director of the fan at 19 in 2007 all around yes we would have been extremely successful i don't know i just i know

I get the frustration From some of you The bitterness Like the reason I'm talking about that Isn't just to go to bat for Dark Eye It's I It's so familiar the things you're saying

Are so familiar and I've been down That road and I've said those things and I've Felt that way and you know where It got me nowhere It was a waste Of valuable time What are you getting out of this like answer that

just making yourself more angry making yourself more angry what are you impressing your friends with your little dart guy dart like what are you cute what are you accomplishing here what are you putting into the world is it anything positive

after I just yelled and screamed are you happy with your Gary Bettman dart yeah I am no but it's just He's taking an opportunity That you would Never turn down

Never turn down Trust me if he was a jerk His little 15 minutes would have ended A very long time ago People were waiting for something to come out About this guy What was the guy at the presidential debate

With the red sweater Ken Bone Ken Bone's reddit account We have not found dark guy's reddit account He's not, Dark Eye is not Milkshake Duck. No. He is like. Some people were saying that because of, I think he said something about kneeling.

And yeah, I disagree with him. Like, but that has nothing to do with him getting a show. And it has nothing to do with the content of his character. No. And I assume it's going to be sponsored. It's going to be profitable. And like, it's not even the best time slot. I would question how many of the people

Criticizing him are Listeners of that time slot on TSN Can I just be straight with you? Let the guy have a show And let it be a neat story that he has a show I think he'll, I don't know And if he doesn't do a good job What are they going to do, keep it afloat?

No, it's going to be like any other show on the air It sinks or swims If our podcast is shit And our listenership goes down We become a lot less appealing It's in radio, TV, online, podcast, doesn't matter, sink or swim. Yes, Adam. I want to tell you that this almost ruined my morning.

It did. I saw how mad he was. I was so angry coming in. And if I shared my honest to God thoughts with you, which I won't, there would be many, many who disagree. You should try getting a YouTube channel where you just scream. I'm sure it's cathartic. It's so good for you I think

You know what you should review every Leafs game You should I think after every Leafs game You should record a video What would we call it though Because I'm a Leafs fan So what am I doing after the game Reacting Leafs fan

So R L F Yeah R L F It rolls off It rolls off the tongue Adam Wilde's channel And you know what's cool I have a dog So I can incorporate her into some of the videos

But you can't be Adam Wilde No I need a hockey name I think it would be like a Deke Adam Snipe show Adam Deke Adam Deke Adam Gong Show

And we'll call it Gong Show Hockey That would be great We'll call it Bar Down with Adam Goncho We'll call it Bar Down with Adam Goncho The RLF It's so stupid I would watch those This is worse than the Sabres

So dumb, I'm not proud No, I'm just Oh, sorry, no, you were talking You're the one who was talking No, listen We're here for your- Could Bar Down with Adam Gongshow be the title of the episode? Please, please let it be. Bar Down with- yes! No, you can't throw Bar Down on Sportsnet.

Try it. Why not? How about Adam Gongshow? Bar Down is a saying, it's not an outlet, okay? You can't just call- that's a saying. My outlet's called The. Well, sorry. Bar Down with Adam Gongshow. Sorry, asshole, we all have to use that word. We'll make it Bar Down with Adam Gong Show until I'm told otherwise. Okay. Oh, my God. It's time to go Bar Down with Adam Gong Show.

On the RLS. On the RLS. Oh. Reactingly fed here. I am reactive. I feel very reactive. Hey, bros. Here's Bar Down with Adam Gong Show.

Jake Gardner fell down yesterday. I guess you could say he has wheeling problems. Anyway. Yeah, it almost ruined your morning It did, it did Adam was so angry I didn't even know there was a negative reaction to this Because I honestly didn't think people

Like, I thought people would be like, oh good for you Because that was my reaction Some were I think most were And some were indifferent, and that's fine too Yeah, I was definitely indifferent Let me tell you something about radio programming, kids Three to five on a Saturday afternoon

Unless there's playoff baseball on Is a dead zone So, it makes programming sense It's a great developmental time slot to be in Just like we were in Overnights Yeah, I started my career in Overnights What are we going to do, knock Jeff Blair out? No

That's when we should be on It's Overnight Boss Dave, here at Sportsnet 590 Is going to go, I'll put those guys on super late And let them develop Kind of like putting us in the AHL Yes And he's going to be surrounded by radio talent

Yes They're acting like It's just going to be him in the studio And he's just going to scream It did It almost did I was very disappointed And I am not

I don't say that often Sometimes I'll say I'm mad But I was disappointed It hurt And again I won't get into this But I expect more oh there it is i expect more and um i will say this

you will free yourself when you accept that the world is not fair yes you will be free to find your potential now is it incumbent on you to try to make the world more fair yes but also accept that there are going to be instances yeah i can't tell you how many times in my career I've had instances where I thought I should have that job and I didn't get it.

Devastating moments. However, I kept working. Now that you have had a chance to look back a little bit, how many of the times where you thought

you should have a job and didn't get it, do you now look back and go, oh yeah, no, I shouldn't have got that. That was right.

Every time. Yeah, for me, almost every time. Actually, you know what, there is one, no,

there's one. There's one I still believe. Where you were like, damn it. Damn it. Yeah, but I let it go. But you know what?

The best part about that is it opened up other doors. I wouldn't be doing this show. No one's making you do anything. No. I wouldn't go with the life's not fair route. I would go... Well, life isn't fair. Well, yeah.

Regardless of the subject matter. Dispute me with it or not. It's not. Yeah. I would just say... Oh, shoot. Where was I going with that? Oh, no one's making you do anything.

So if you see an opportunity that you would like and you don't get it, Your options are quit or keep going until you get it. That's it. Yep. Two, binary. Those are your two options. I don't know. I wish him the best of luck.

And I wish him the best of luck. I'm happy for him. And I hope his show is like any other show. It sinks or swims. Like any show. Any show. I'm happy for him. There it is.

I'm happy for him. That's all. All right. And I told him that DM'd him Is this better before Or after me yelling And screaming

I wonder if Gary Bettman Is in a room somewhere Going see Steve Take a little of your Own medication You don't know We need to make money In China

What's the point in going Yeah what's the What's the point in going There's a billion people there We can't fill a 20,000 person arena What's wrong with that You said they're having A conference today

The NHL and the NHLPA According to Elliot Friedman They are here in Toronto Is it making money Who Good question Because if it's not Probably shouldn't have it

Do lockouts make money? They should stop having them I agree Wow Steve Dangle everybody Hey let's do the press conference The Presser S

D P The Steve Dangle Press Conference You know There's sound in there Yeah but I like it But

I like it I like doing the paid to have yeah, we actually bought that I like sounding like an enthusiastic raccoon No, none of you have ever heard a raccoon make that sound no, oh, yeah a little Toronto Zoo actually that's not true one time I accidentally threw a garbage bag at one why do they have a raccoons at a Toronto Zoo? Yeah, oh, yeah, so raccoons are extremely popular at the zoo because they don't have raccoons in certain parts So people who are on vacation, they come and they're like, wow, that's crazy. I had a cousin from Aruba stay with me when I was in high school, and he freaked out about squirrels, because he'd never seen squirrels before.

He grew up on an island, so he had no idea what they were, and he loved it. So it's a thing. It's a thing. And when we were in California, we saw all these manatees just on the beach. You know who was on the beach gawking at them? Probably no one from California. It's just a bunch of Canadians going Holy shit that's crazy

I don't know Anyways first question in the Pico How many Tim Hortons Hockey card packs will you buy this year Steve Oh I'm already at like Six I get a lot in my car What do you do with them

Actually recently My wife's friend who is also a teacher Wanted a bunch of cards To like distract her her students with like so that they I guess don't tear apart the entire classroom

so I gave her like a giant shoe box just full of hockey cards what did you do and a lot of those were Tim Horton's cards

before you could give them to kids kept them in the shoe box yeah kept them in the house duh what do you do with hockey cards

keep them and let them get dusty I've given away more hockey cards than I currently have and I still have thousands so

I'm not proud I'm not proud I've probably given away at least 5,000 cards Actually, a few years ago I mailed cards to people who watch my YouTube channel Hey, we did that on this show We did do that on this show Like, actually snail mailed

Crazy Got a bunch of responses And we signed every letter We hand wrote and signed every letter That's right, I remember doing that It was fun Hungry Sloth on Reddit wants to know Wow, that is, by the way, so me

Hungry Sloth What do you think of James Neal's start? Is he the real deal? He is, in fact, the real deal. He's one of those players where he kind of needs to be first line. You know what I mean? I don't know if this is a fair comparison to Ovechkin, obviously, but I think some players just succeed as the guy.

I mean, you look up and down the Vegas lineup. Who the hell's scoring a goal for that team? If it's not James Neal, I don't think there's going to be a goal. this year. When they trade him and it sounds like they'll inevitably trade him, they're in deep trouble of getting the first overall pick. I think

he is the real deal. I don't think he's more than a goal-per-game guy. I don't think anybody is these days, but no, I think he could do 40 this year. They're going to give him every opportunity. And if the NHL continues to have

crazy amounts of power play, And even if the slashing stops, you think about how much ice that opens up. Exactly. The scoring will go up. For a freight train like James Neal. I mean, he could have a 40-goal season and Vegas still sucks. But no, I think he's capable. It's happened in Toronto.

It has. Diamond Master's dad wants to know, Hey! After Adam's misguided comments on overtime in the last show, let's get serious about three-on-three. Who is your ultimate three-on-three line? for current players in the NHL. I'm adding that stipulation.

Let's do who's your best three-on-three lines for the Leafs. So you get one line, and then who are they going up against? The best three-on-three in the league. Okay, let me throw out a question. So almost every coach throws out at least one defender. Is there a point to that? I don't think there is. Unless you have a defender like a Jake Gardner.

or a Morgan Riley who are like almost forward defensemen like okay if the Leafs were to put out Matthews, Marner, Nylander is that a crisis? is that a defensive crisis?

no I think three on three is a defensive crisis so it doesn't matter there has to be a reason that Babcock's not doing it I wouldn't sit here and be like

that would be better than Babcock's I don't know if any coaches regularly send out three forwards that's a good question maybe there's something to be explored there

it's like why for 30, 40, 50 years that they send out two defensemen for a power play and all of a sudden they're only sending one. Yeah, and everybody realized that you don't need that second defenseman. I think it's because it's always been done that way. And when you go three on three in a penalty kill situation, you send out at least one defenseman, most likely two and one forward.

So people are like, well, you at least have to have one defenseman on the ice. Well, not necessarily. I'd love to see that. I think the Leafs are a team that should try that. So I need to do my Leafs one? Yeah, do your Leafs one and then pick another team when you think they're the best three on. I want to say Gardner

behind Nylander and Matthews. Mm-hmm. Yeah? Yeah. And then my league-wide one? Yeah. McDavid, Matthews, Carlson. Ooh.

All right, I'll take your league-wide one because I can't beat that. Yeah. The only one that I could see that might, but he'd never supplant Carlson is Brent Burns, because he's ridiculous. What about like...

And he's also like a forward defenseman, right? Like he played forward, he's played defense. Keith, what if you went McDavid, Ovi, Carlson? McDavid, Matthews, Crosby. I was about to mention Crosby. Yeah, why not? The MCM line. Crosby's too slow for three on three.

Yeah. He's too slow. He's old. He's hit a wall. For the Leafs, though, I'd love to see, because both Nylander and Marner I noticed last night, and I've noticed recently have been quarterbacking the power play up top with Riley and Gardner, and Zaitsev too.

But I'd love to see Nylander, Marner, Matthews. Matthews takes the draw and switch in who you want. I would put Nylander up front, and then you put Marner as the quarterback. I'd love to see that. Oh my God, I would love to see that. Wouldn't that be great if they made the All-Star game and got to do All-Star things? That should be something that they have

At the Leafs scrimmage Is they split the team You know the skills competition They should split the team in half And have them play a game of 3 on 3 Oh that'd be fun 10 minute game of 3 on 3 against each other I think that'd be awesome

Come on Have Matthews, Nylander, Gardner Go up against Marner, JVR Riley Or something like that It'd be a little bit good Final question is for Adam Wild

Oh O'Milla has a question about Big Ben Oh boy Do you think he's done? He's looked awful for the Steelers So far this season I'm not in panic mode yet But what about you? I was like how many games has he played for the Stars?

I'm in hockey mode Big Jamie Ben Everyone calls him Jamie Ben Can't have football players involved in a hockey trip If you haven't heard about this controversy it's a little bit frustrating because you have, I think, one of the best quarterbacks in history. I wouldn't think that anybody would dispute that. I don't know if he's a top ten ever, but he's amazing.

He's a Hall of Famer. Championships, right? Championships, winning records, and he's played very well on teams that really didn't deserve to be as good as they were. Ignorant question. Is he still playing? Yes. That's why she's...

Hence Jesse saying he hasn't played that well this year. Oh, sorry. Dude, I know like four quarterbacks. It's cool, man. It's cool. So here's the thing. So imagine your best player has played, and you have to remember that, you know, football, every game is like 9% of the season.

Yeah. So imagine after 30 games, Sidney Crosby says, well, I haven't had a good 30 games, and, you know, maybe I just don't have it. Oh. Imagine Sidney Crosby says those words. He turkey dumps his career. How do you think Pittsburgh and the rest of the NHL reacts to that? Poorly.

Poorly, right? Poorly. Now, going into this season, again, putting it in hockey terms, let's say Sidney Crosby has already openly contemplated retirement and then says that after 30 games. Oh, is he dogging it? And it's not like this is an analyst, this is coach saying it. It's coming from him.

He's saying, I don't have it anymore. And Antonio Brown, he also threw a fit, I think, in game four and threw the Gatorade thing. on that. And Antonio Brown is, him and Odell Beckham Jr. are the two best receivers in the league right now. And now, that might be Antonio Brown being frustrated with Big Ben. Their offense has been bad. And the

problem was, going into this season, on paper, the Steelers are supposed to be a team that should go to the Super Bowl. They are that good. They're that deep on offense. They've got great receivers. They've got a great running back. They're probably going to lose at the end of the season.

And you know it's Steelers defense That's what Steelers and defense synonymous with each other Totally I think it's a little bit scary When a guy says that However I have seen Big Ben go through Depressive bouts before We've seen dips in him before

And there are people that are just prone to that I think everybody is So I wonder if it's just a bad moment If they caught him at a low moment Jacksonville's defense is really good And ate them alive Ate them alive People aren't used to Jacksonville being good

Their defense is really good And they're winning games like 9-6 So I wonder if it's not just Ben being frustrated They caught him in a low moment The season's hard He's what, 32, 33 or something And his body's tired And he's taking a lot of hits

And he's thinking I don't know if I want to do this anymore It's a lot of pressure 35, playing football Jacksonville is the team with the yellow cat Not Cam Newton's team, right? Yeah. No, the black cat.

Thank you. Jaguars. Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, okay. No, Panthers are black. I don't know.

Jags? Yeah, I guess. It's like a black and yellow. Black and yellow. Yeah, you're thinking of the right team. Yeah, the other cat. I know my predatory cats. They might as well be the Wildcats.

Wildcats. Versus the Wildcats. No, and didn't they come into the NFL at the same time? Huh? Like around the same time? Oh, I don't know. I remember being like- The Panthers and the Jaguars?

Yeah, I remember being very confused. I think the important part of the conversation is can we distinguish the Panthers versus the Jaguars? I agree. I cannot. Wildcats! All I know is Cam Newton plays for one of them.

And he brought Dab to the mainstream and deserves to be blamed for that. Final stat? And he got yelled at recently too, justifiably. Uh, yeah. But he apologized. took into sorry alexander ovechkin has 566 career goals that is the most in the nhl since the start

of the 99 2000 season he made his debut in 0506 say that one more time wow repeat that so ov scored 566 goals that is the most since the start of the 99 2000 season ov's career started in 2005 so he gave everybody a five-year head start and he has the most goals in the nhl since the 99 so who would the first overall picks have been before ovechkin was even drafted uh we mark andre flurry mark andre flurry so he doesn't really count uh we got dague alexander or no no no sorry patrick stefan was in 99 the other bust uh i got them confused kovalchuk was one okay go through them rick nash was one you're going in order 2002 now so now that rick nash was 2002 who's 2003 you already said him oh flurry flurry who's 2004 that that was ovi and then ovi there you go did i miss 2000

uh rick di pietro oh wow so like think of how rick i'm still getting paid to do this di pietro like rick nash has had down seasons yes he has injuries but like Like, Ovechkin's – that's crazy. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. That's absolutely crazy. I can't say enough things about him as a goal scorer. If he retires today, he's a hockey Hall of Famer. Like, easy, done.

And he's probably going to play, like, at least another five years. Yeah. What was the – you wrote an article years ago, I think. I'm going to write another one. Like, it's crazy. What did you say? He could beat Gretzky's record or something? I don't know if I said he could beat Gretzky's record, although that is possible. It's very unlikely, but he could become the, I can't remember,

he's either 7th or 8th player in NHL history. Actually, he's going to be. It's really not that far-fetched. He's likely going to be the 7th or 8th player in NHL history to hit 700 goals. Nobody does that Nobody does that You gotta play for an eternity like Jager I think he did that recently Gordie Howe obviously did it

Gretzky did it I don't know if Lemieux did it So it's 700 Gretzky, Howe, Jager, Hull, Dion, Esposito Which Hull? Mike Gardner Brett? Brett Hull? Brett Hull, yeah

Mike Gardner Oh yeah No one remembers that one Ovi will be number 8 Lemieux finished at 690 That's up Messier 694 690 in less than a thousand games

Yeah Lemieux Lemieux was totally goofy I wrote this thing on Yager yesterday Where I talked about his five Most impressive seasons No season where he played with Lemieux was allowed to make the top three Because Lemieux was that dominant

There was one season where Yager Led his team in scoring but Lemieux played Half the season Because he was either Hurt or out with an illness I don't remember Lemieux in 40 I'm trying to remember

The exact numbers He had like 96 points 43 games He had over 70 points And that's when he was Wearing that Cannonball Yofa helmet Yep

And the Pittsburgh Sash Just Just Ridonculous Um Uh We were robbed of him

Somebody posted a picture Of The Vancouver Canucks 1970s jerseys The other day I think it was Mike Camito who does a bunch of history posts and stuff at the NHL. Were those the blue ones or the ridiculous stripy ones?

The stripy ones. The V that was supposed to, I think they said it was supposed to strike fear into the hearts of opponents, that they believed that. They did some sort of, like, I believe I read that somewhere. I wondered if there are any Canucks fans listening

that actually have that jersey. Because I asked him at the time, did anybody, like, because in the 70s and 80s, buying a jersey wasn't the same as it is now. Like, you had to go to specific places to buy them. And not everybody wore them everywhere. Just send a letter to Monsieur Eaton.

That's right. And you didn't go to games in jerseys. You went in a suit and tie. And at a certain point, that switched over in the 80s. Watch Oli Klaghan. That's right. Score six goals. So I want to know if anybody has one, and I want to see a picture.

Like one, especially one from then. Like I bet you can buy them now. I saw a Potvin jersey yesterday. Potvin? That was like, yeah, Felix Potvin, sorry. That was like from then. Like, from when popping wore it. Are there little threads hanging out of the 29 and stuff?

I didn't get that close to them. There is in mine. I saw a... Tell me if this is a jersey foul for you. Uh-oh. You see so many weird Leafs jerseys, right? Because there's just been so many players recently. So, like, loopholes everywhere, kessels, that sort of thing.

Oh, and I got to tell you about the fights I saw last night. Oh, yeah! Oh, man. Okay, so I got some fight stories. I'm so ready to get back on the road, but... No, I need to hear about this. But one person wore a Winter Classic jersey last year. So it's that beautiful Winter Classic jersey that they had.

Yep. That they wore once. Yep. And it was Doug Gilmore's name on the back. How do you feel about that? He played in the alumni game, it's fair. It wasn't an alumni jersey, though, just so we're clear. But was there a separate alumni jersey?

Yes, there was. That year? Yeah. There was this past year. That was what I mean. Sorry, what did we get? The Heritage Classic last year? Centennial.

Centennial. Okay, whatever. The classic. The thing that the outdoor game from last year on New Year's Day. Yeah. So they had a game beforehand. Right, but it's not the same jersey. You stole that out there?

You stole that out there? They didn't play in. Listen, big Doug Gilmore fan. They didn't. But I assume they sell them as Gilmore jerseys, right? They did. For the end. I'm sure you could walk into the store and get Gilmore, right?

My thing I would say, if you just walk in and buy it, yeah, I guess that's not a jersey file. But the Leafs are good now. Just get a current player. What are you getting Dougie for? He's going to get Matthews. But 92-93, Steve. Yeah, I'll never forget.

By the way, leaving the game yesterday, and this is, if you didn't see my tweets, don't peek in high school. Don't be that person. I wonder if this guy listens. So I get out of, no, I doubt it. I get out of the ACC, and I walk up to Front Street, right across from Union Station, like to the right. And you know what, if this guy hears this, I don't care. and I run into a guy that I know

who works at another station in town that you know every radio is small right so you meet everybody you know everybody so I'm talking to him

really great guy and all of a sudden you know we're trying to talk but they're shouting and anytime they're shouting you know and I know that you're not having

a conversation you're looking at the shouting yes because we're not even though we claim to be adults we're not adults no

if you know the soccer game stops on the playground when there's a fight you ever think there's a fight going down and you turn around

and there's not a fight you're a little bit disappointed so we had a almost fight because it was a yelling match and guy in uh there's a younger guy a bit of an older guy uh i won't get into descriptions because it doesn't matter bit of an older guy wears a suit though so like you can you know a little bit more established younger guy a little bit more like me and uh so we're they're yelling and we're trying to have this conversation but we're both looking over kind of like so it's Like, yeah, you're great. Cool.

Yeah, I wonder what that's about. Anyway, the fight, as fights do, almost like a hurricane, moves over towards us. So now we have to be on our guard. What? Is there a name for that phenomenon? Because fights move. The fight tidal wave? Yeah.

You ever seen a bar fight where there's like a gravitational pull towards the door of the bar? Like opening the door on a plane while it's in the air. It's insane. I am going to fight you out this door. I've seen it happen in Scarborough Like everyone just tumbles towards the door I'm not surprised you said Scarborough Yeah well

When a bod gets in your face So the fight They're yelling And I look at the guy I look at one of the guys and I go The younger guy Huh Because I kind of glance at him

And again trying to continue this conversation And then he says You messed with the wrong guy pal I'm going to And excuse my language here I'm going to fuck your entire family What the hell I know right

This is the things you say when you're heated and you're dumb They don't necessarily make sense No Okay guy you're going to go after a middle aged dude And his entire family Because of whatever fight you're in That chirp was quiet It was

You will not get it Anyway I listened to that segment again Jesse you were just A master craft of douche You're so That's what I do best So funny

And I look over again And I'm like And I tell the guy I'm like oh my god I went to high school With that guy And he's like no way And I'm like yes

And that guy Was a guy who Always kind of was On the edge in high school You know there's those guys And they seem a little bit mysterious Crazy man And he was super popular

He was a year younger than us Super popular All the girls loved him And I know We gotta look at your yearbook because I can't remember his name, but I know it was him. And I just thought, man, I can't think of a place I would, I can't think of a worse place to be than fighting outside of a Leaf game.

That just seems so dumb. I mean, you should be in a good mood. And then, well, even if they lose you. But we lost. Yeah, well, that's probably why they're fighting. And then I walked down the street a little bit more. I leave my radio friend behind. I walked down the street by myself.

And there's another guy, another middle-aged guy in suit, and a guy in jersey get into a fight now this guy has nothing to do with high school however there's

one of them has a castle jersey one of them has a suit castle jersey's like yeah well nice body pal maybe try to go

to the gym sometime cause you know he's a middle aged guy a little soft and the other guy's so so the middle aged guy comes back at him

this is a hilarious trip he's like castle jersey nice trade bitch what I was like and he's like yeah

well nice body pal And that was it, and they went their separate directions. You just need to admit when you suck. You just need to admit all sides. I got owned last night. I got owned. I got owned. There was a Devils fan.

Oh. No, he was being a jerk all night, but I don't know. It was the end of the game, and I was like, all right, I'll say something, because he was still going at it with certain fans. And I just said, man, you've had some gems tonight. No. Man, you've had some gems tonight. You should write them down.

I'll even give you a crayon. And he responded He just took a sip of his beer He goes, I've heard better chirps from a dead bird I was just like, shit Wow And that was the last thing I said That was the last thing I said to him

Other than a smile and nod Your chirp took too many words There was too roundabout Yeah, hey, excuse me, sir Please dumb your chirp down Prithee, devil's fan A good chirp has to be dumb and funny Yes

Yeah, it has to be just straight to the point. And Steve's like, let me tell you a story about a bridge. Sir, I have disdain for your team. Chapter one. Back in 1964, you drafted. The devil's boy was wearing an unsightly cloak. Sorry, I... Harry Potter?

Yeah, my wife started the audio book for Harry Potter. That's what I have done. I'm on the seventh book. It's great. Recommended. Highly recommended. You guys are losers I have not started

He has Wait wait wait Wait a second When have I ever Not been a loser What has changed I thought you were About to defend

How long have you Known me Fair point Justin he's right Come on Anyway Love you all I hope everybody

Has a great week Tuesday next week We'll be back And hopefully A Leafs win If not Then it'll be A Habs explosion

Of goals Which I mean for me Is great either way Do we play two games In between now and Tuesday Do we have a Monday night game I don't know. I don't know.

Maybe. Hey, thanks for writing that, man. Appreciate that. Let's just focus on the next game. Let's just don't be a dick. Follow the guys on Twitter, at Steve underscore Dangle, at Adam W-Y-L-D-E,

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