The Steve Dangle Podcast - Baybaw | December 14, 2017

Episode Date: December 15, 2017

On this episode, #TheSuiteLifeWithAdamAndSteve (00:00), Kyle Turris said A THING and the Ottawa Senators held a press conference to say "this is fine" (03:00), Steve is learning baybaw (38:00), Alex Stalock versus the Toronto Maple Leafs (46:00), do the Leafs have a serious problem on the ice? (51:00), Eric Francis' Flames article and a rebuttal from Kent Wilson (1:01:00), will Argos ever be a viable team in Toronto (1:21:00), the Marlins are rebuilding and the Jays are refusing to rebuild (1:28:00), John Tortorella's 14 second press conference (1:34:30), and the press conference! (1:40:00). Originally aired: December 15, 2017 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/JH1wI6I57KA Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Well, we've seen all your hashtag, the Suite Life, with Adam and Steve. And they're all bad. The contest is cancelled. We're going to go ourselves. Imagine just the three of us in a box. That would be a good time. It'd be this. It'd be kind of fun. I'd bring a crown and scepter and a large cape And I would just sit there And go over the glass And pretend to offer snacks to young children

And then pull them away and go Would you do that? No I don't think bougie Steve is believable Bougie Steve Bougie Steve is not believable I don't think Really? Yeah

I mean considering you walked in with your Vancouver 2010 free jacket You know what's funny is I was going to wear something else, and I was like, they'll get a kick out of this. It's in good shape. I actually got this. I wore this to the opening ceremony for the 2010 Olympics. Did you also carry the torch? I did not.

It looks like a jacket somebody would carry a torch with. I should have. It's athletic enough. I was just glad that they sent me. Steve is actually Wayne Gretzky. Steve. And drove up in a Ford truck. In a Ford F-150.

F-150. Okay, Marlies So we're going to pick three winners So Steve, Jesse, and I will reach out to the winners tonight Thank you so much for all of your entries And each winner will be able to bring two friends We've got nine tickets to give away We get 12 total, so three of us

It'll be groups of three It'll be your version of a podcast So bring your Jesse, Steve, or Adam with you To the thing And we'll just do four different podcasts all at once Bring someone who can host And like a really good producer Who's good at taking everyone down a peg

Or two And then that's your crew That's your crew So we're recording a show during a Leaf game Well soon to be No the game doesn't start till 8 Oh yeah that's right we'll be alright Well anyway it's not like we can talk about

Oh man last night's game Oh tonight's game Cause it definitely won't be up It's like days of old And that's okay we've got other things that are way more interesting Where did that come from We were talking when you were getting the coffees. We were saying...

We used to do evening shows. We were talking about the Marlies. Yeah. And Steve's like, I'm done with the Marlies. Bougie Steve is moving on. He's got his crown and his scepter and his Vancouver jacket. He's done. He's done with the Marlies.

We're talking about the winners. By the way, Marlies game this Saturday... I'm just going to sit on this until I figure out the show. Marlies game this Sunday is going to be against another first place team. I'm just saying, it's going to be a pretty solid matchup. Manitoba Moose. Moose brought it. Um, okay, so yeah, I mean we're we are recording the podcast a little bit late because Chaz

Steve Steve's doggy has had some issues But poo yeah, he'd poo issues. Sorry. You know if you have a dog you're gonna poo issues from time to time Sometimes you have poo issues. I've never been happier for Temperatures of minus 10 Celsius or below and that is where we will leave it. All right Um, I have a question for you guys makes it easier for yep. Yep Who do Sens fans What do Sens fans like more Because it was who last year

Last episode What do Sens fans like more Eric Carlson The Ottawa Senators Or the Ottawa Senators actually winning a game Still Eric Carlson Still definitely Eric Carlson I mean after the road trip they had

It was nice to see them beat the Rangers And you gotta know like Zach Smith Was it nice You missed the Well the thing was It was an absolute Tire fire Going into that game

Outside of it And that's what we need To talk about Because yes I mean obviously You know Craig Anderson Snaps a seven game Losing streak

Craig Anderson Wow Bobby Ryan gets a goal And an assist Seven million dollar Bobby Ryan Did you see the Freaking move he tried

To pull on Ryan McDonough That didn't work I think I might have Missed it Oh he like daintily Tried to put it Behind his back It was like a

Cocky player in EASHL And I I wish so bad And Ryan McDonough was mic'd up for that just to hear him go, get the hell are you doing? But we do need to talk about the sentence heard around the world, which was, you know, normally Nashville does not, it's not a hotbed for controversy. It's a hotbed for, oh, I love those guys. It's a hotbed for. Just pinch them on the cheek.

It's hot chicken. That's what it's a hotbed for. Absolutely. Absolutely. And Diamondbacks. They'll get you. If you don't look out for the hot chicken, it'll get you. Kyle Turris said this, because he didn't want to leave Ottawa.

He said, it's tough because I think management did want to sign me, but I think that the owner didn't, and that was his decision. Now, that's a pretty bold statement for a hockey player to make. And it's okay, because the Senators are not at all an emotionally run team, and they took their time to make a calculated response. Like probably a couple days down the line Right? Right

Well, in light of what we talked about last episode And if you missed last episode We were talking about the fact that I guess there might have been a Management slash ownership Anger or outrage burst After Eric Carlson made the comments he made About wanting to make as much money as he possibly can

Nobody blames him Except for Sens Management and Ownership Who have a problem with him saying that publicly Because nobody really has a reason for that Of course he wants to make as much money as possible Why would that be a problem for them? They should expect that Devil's advocate, they might be like, yeah, we know, why'd you say it?

Why wouldn't you? Fair enough Because maybe your hot head of an owner will go And lose his mind What's better than ownership getting involved? It always works So, Pierre Dorian comes out After this tourist comment

And they do a press conference Before the game, and I remember I was reading tweets and I think it was Arash Medani that said, the Senators are having in Ottawa, the Senators are having a news conference not to announce a trade but to announce that everything's good and normally if you have a news conference

it's because something's changing like a flash news conference it's not a post game or whatever it's like Bergevin earlier this year so Pierre Dorian said this he said, we, every hockey decision goes through me and when I heard that comment

I was like, yes. But what's better? But Eugene Melnick still signs the checks. Yours and the players that you want to sign. Including his. I think that's the most important part. At Puck Talks yesterday, a point was brought up repeatedly. And that was, you know, we make fun of GMs, you know, like Jim Benning, for example, and like Pierre Dorian.

But we have no idea what their marching orders are. Like, we have no idea. Like, hey, we want you to rebuild and make the playoffs. What? How do you do that? So if you see them make a nonsensical move, it might be because they were given nonsensical orders. Poor Pierre Dorian. I feel bad for him.

I do too. I do love the press conference where they just pull up a podium in front of a house fire and calmly explain how there's not a house fire going on behind them. So do you think that, I mean, it was interesting because Doug McClain afterwards said, well, the Wolves were at the door and they shut them down and then the Sens go out and win a game and I look good. Is that is that how he's that was dad? Oh, thank goodness because thank goodness I felt like it was the exact opposite. I know by by Who do you cheer for?

Who do you cheer for? This is exactly the sort of thing that I love to happen When I looked at the box scores last night and I saw the Senators win, you know what I said Adam? good Good If they're too bad They start to make changes Win every now and then

Go ahead You can even do it against my team Matt Duchesne had a good setup To Bobby Ryan Like I said The guy they traded for Redeemed the trade There it is

It's good Everything's fine now Everything's great Carey Price stole like four games Everything's good Montreal Everything's fine now They were back in the playoffs

Fought for a bit And then Boston went and won Like won seven out of ten games Yeah but they're fine They'll be back It's great. Ottawa, Montreal, you want to win three games in a row every now and then, you go right ahead.

This Leafs fan gives you permission. Remember, you've got to go through us. We are in charge. I just love it. I love it. If you're a Leaf fan, that's exactly what you want. They're emotional. They're ready to do something stupid.

Give them a little candy. Here's a three-two win. Hey, shout-out to the New York Rangers. Thank you for that. Thank you. I'm sorry it had to be you. I'm sorry. I'm equally sorry you got to be in the Metro Division.

But thank you for that. That was a Christmas card for the New York Rangers. Thank you. Interesting point that I think not a lot of people made a lot of because everybody was focused on what the senator's response to Kyle Torres was going to be was Pierre Dorian saying, in terms of changes, player personnel-wise, they're looking at everything.

And I wondered what your thoughts are. I didn't finish that sentence. No. I was like. What are your thoughts? He'll get to it. are. Did you have something there, Jesse? No, go ahead.

See, what's interesting is, wasn't it floated when Carlson was asked for his no-trade list? Wasn't it floated that this was just done to light a fire under him? Well, no, well so yeah, so Elliot Friedman said it was, you know, Eric Carlson

rattled their cage, so they wanted to rattle it right back. Rattle theirs. And then yesterday we find out in an email from Eugene Melnick who, by the way, is definitely not selling the team, according to this email, that they asked him for, I guess they asked him for the, Eric Carlson that is, for the trade list so that for a refinancing thing, they had to like, they had to do some sort of financial thing, which sounds a lot like BS to me. I just don't see how that would even factor into an NHL team that you need to know a certain

player's no trade list. That doesn't make any sense. But who am I? I'm not a lawyer. Or a team owner, Adam. How many NHL teams have you owned? Zero, my friend. Zero. You can't comment.

You're right. I can't comment unless I've directly done it. That's like saying, you know what, I've never parachuted, and I don't think I want to. You can't comment until you've done it. Justin Bourne was at Puck Talks, and first thing I do, I don't even say hi to him. I walk up to him, he's having a beer, I go, hey, you having a beer?

He goes, yeah. I go, oh, have you even made a beer before? And he just goes This is going to be my whole night And it was like the first thing he was asked By the audience so it was great What did he say? I'm trying to remember I kind of walked into the middle of the question

I was in the back But I heard him get asked it There was like it was pretty funny So it was I go up there and I just do my Yelly screamy thing That I do and it's scary In front of a live audience with no jump cuts

Then the next panel is Myrtle, Dello, and Justin Bourne, and they just talked about analytics and clever things, and then James Duthie and Pierre Lebrun get up there after, and they're two seconds in, and Lebrun's like, they said no math! I don't know any of this, what's Corsi? I don't get it, I don't get it. That's funny. That's awesome. So the answer to your question is you don't remember how Justin Bourne answered the most important question of the night. No, I believe I said that right away. You were in the back. Yeah. You clarified. I believe Jesse was listening.

Was Hat Guy there? He was not. He doesn't get invited to those things. He should. Here's a question that you have not answered yet, sir. Okay. How do you respond to Pierre Dorian saying they are looking at everything? I think it's just him trying to motivate his team.

Because what was something that you said was in there? It was similar to a Bergevin quote from earlier in the season where he's like, the answer is in the room. I wonder if this is the Sens trying to find out if the answer is in the room. I mean, if I'm Ottawa, you know, and all these financial concerns, I could sell off a bunch of players and save money that way. That's true. Or what if we're able to rekindle a little bit of what we had last season

and we squeak into that third Atlantic spot? It's December. How hard would it be for Ottawa to make the playoffs and then you have a license to print money, And by that, I mean you make the playoffs and play the Leafs in the first round. Ottawa should not be selling already. Evaluating, sure. You know, teams would drool for a guy like Mike Hoffman.

I don't know if they're into trading Mike Hoffman, but there's an option. Mark Stone, I think they should keep him. Cody Ceci apparently is on the market. He's a cornerstone. Yeah, Cody Ceci is a guy they should maybe look at. Alex Burrows, maybe. as like a super depth option for some team. I don't know about Eric Carlson, but...

He also got tweeted a million times about their unprotected pick for next year. So if they... No, it is protected. So it's protected for this year. Yes. So if Ottawa falls to the bottom 10, they keep their pick for this year.

And that pick that they traded to Colorado becomes an unprotected 2019 first round pick. So if Ottawa sucks next year and they're the 30th team and they get the first overall pick, it goes to Colorado. So they can't suck next year. And if they suck this year, next year's pick is in jeopardy because they get to keep this year's sucky pick. So Ottawa can't be terrible next year

because their first round draft pick is Colorado. I'm actually at a loss for words right now because I was like, oh well it's a protected pick but if they sell everyone off they can't they won't so that means they won't they can't

and you want to you want to give up that pick this year because you want to be like if you're terrible you've got to be at least 11th because if you get a high pick this year

next year you're screwed that should be their entire goal is to get at least to be at least 19th hot damn Joe Sackick wow yeah you're right yeah damn

damn no but they could finish 19th and potentially still win one of the lotteries. Yeah, it's true, because the lotteries are very scattered, yeah. Imagine that!

They have a comeback of a season, and ha! We weren't one of the bottom ten, and Colorado wins the Brazzers-Dollin. Funny that it happened with the same organization, different cities, but it's almost as though the way the Nordiques slash Avalanche

pivoted and won a cup based on the Art Glendross trade, the Matt Duchesne trade could have a similar effect, and I'm not saying that they're going to get Peter Forsberg out of it, but holy moly, they got a lot for Matt DeShane. Wow. From two different teams.

It's, I mean, Avalanche did so many things that I just thought were so dumb for so long, and I'm trying to think of an instance where a GM completely made me do a 180 on my opinion of them. The next move is the move that you left.

Let's be wary because it's one trade. One move. Such a good one, though yeah holy smoke i didn't even that would suck so much otto was so handcuffed yeah they have to win these next two years they gotta spend money i guess they were expecting to anyway but they steve spending money that they i think let's check this but i'm fairly sure i read that they're only like a million seven five under the cap like they're i don't think they're even operating at the internal cap anymore that's what i'm saying like i don't think they're comfortable spending the amount of money they currently are and that amount of money is not cutting it so what are

they going to do next year spent that amount of money is not cutting it and and and that comes i mean that's the and and i hate to bring this up but it's the deals like the guy that went on waivers today matt baleski it's those deals that they can hurt you it's the and somebody said listen they tweeted me after last episode and they said listen dion fanofa is actually pretty well-liked in Ottawa. You know what? Which he should be. I've gotten that impression, yeah. And you know what? He might get paid... He might be a $5.5 million

defenseman making seven, or a $5 million making seven, but Bobby Ryan is the one that apparently, according to Sens fans, and I think rightly so, feels like a handcuff right now. Dude, over seven... What is it? $7.5 million? $7.25 till 2022.

And he's 30. Also, they have... Their current cap space is $2.7 million, and their projected cap space is 1.7. Whoa. You know what contract's also not looking awesome is Mike Condon. You're right, yeah.

Cap friendly, huh? I got cap friendly. He's at 2.4. That's not bad. It's not. It was a decent bet, but he hasn't been great. I'd have made that bet.

Yeah. Probably. Yeah, Adam. It's those $4 to $7 million players. Those guys who you give a little bit too much and it's not worth it. And a little too much term and a little too late. Meanwhile, we're like, Nylander at seven sounds good.

It's the 50-point guy who did it once who goes back to 30 points a year. It's so amazing. You know what's amazing is every now and then, something happens, and you know it's going to happen, and everyone seems to agree that it's going to happen, except for the one that's going through it. And, yeah, we all just ignore it. I still remember... What are you particularly talking about here? A few things.

A few things that are bugging me right now. Okay, so one, and this is a throwback example. I remember heading into, I want to say the 2007 draft. Everyone was just raving about P.K. Subban. Just raving about him. Oh, but he's a project. He's going to take a while, but he's going to be something. Sure enough, go second round, and wouldn't you know it, he's something.

Then there's Matt Boleski We all said Watch out He's gonna get overpaid This is gonna be a dumb contract And then he signed for less than we all anticipated Because it was supposed to be 5 over 5 And it still wasn't worth it

Still wasn't worth it And the one that is bugging me right now Really bugging me right now It's bugging me as a Leafs fan But it should bug everybody Alex Dobrynkat's success Yeah Three straight 50 goal seasons in the OHL

We passed on him Everyone passed on him Fucking guy was a second rounder First F-bomb of the episode That's how frustrating We all knew It wasn't a matter of if It was inevitable

That Brin Cat was gonna be great Here he is, first year Unbelievable Unbelievable He was so great We couldn't even get his name right the first time Brinda Cat Yegor Korshkov better be the shit

That's all I'm going to say Wasn't it Dermot they took next? No, it was Korshkov Who did we take? I thought it was Dermot I think they had two second rounders They picked Korshkov And traded down

So they got Dermot I think, I'm not sure I'm cool with them getting Dermot They got Korshkov For the 31st pick And then Debrinkat went 39 He went 39? Yeah, so round 2

That would be, what, 8? The 9th pick Had they picked him, it would have been one of the greatest drafts of all time Oh my god Wait, what year was that? We had the first one wrong, 2016 It would have been the Madden Oh my god, and then you pick his line mate?

Forever? Literally forever You pick Matthews and his line mate forever Nylander on the right And we had the chance to Yep, which is crazy And every single person passed on him Well, even Chicago passed on him, technically

Yes, they did Who did Chicago pick first? No, Chicago didn't have a first round pick Son of a gun! You know why? And we let them off the hook again! You know why? Because they traded it so they could win a Stanley Cup Oh my god

Was that the Hansel trade? One of them No, no, you're thinking of the Vermette trade Vermette trade. But that, no, that was the year before, unless the pick carried over. Oh boy, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. This nine would have been, no, that doesn't make sense. Wait, why did Chicago have the nine pick?

I don't know. I don't know. I wonder who they got that pick from. We're getting, we're getting, we're getting mad at here. They got it from Buffalo. Because Buffalo has the nine pick in the next round. Of course they freaking did. Oh my god.

So Jack Eichel's line made forever. Oh my god. that's Jack Eichel's line mate right there that's the guy they needed that's funny it's just anyway so to the point of Boleski we all knew it was going to end this way

Dave Bolin and Florida thank god Dale Tallon saved Dave Nones and Brendan Shanahan's first year there and they all Dale Tallon saved us from ourselves I said it at the time

$27 million over five years for Dave Boland, who is not even playing. That would have made two of Shanahan's first five moves or something like that. Extending Carlisle and signing Boland. Imagine how much different we look

at the Shana plan. We remember at the time we had Chris Johnston on and he said, listen, the extension of Carlisle was to send a message to the players. It wasn't because they wanted to retain Carlisle. It was because they wanted a culture correction. And that made sense to me.

Sorry. But anyway, yeah, we're getting off. I just got going because the Boleski thing reminded me of inevitable things that pissed me off. So what inevitable thing with Ottawa is going to piss you off then? Is there a relation to that? Or is it just a tangent? No, I was just going on the Boleski thing because you mentioned it. Although, hey, Ottawa, you might as well add.

Get Boleski. Why not? Do it. Here's the problem. His hero chart was good. Boleski. I was surprised. Sorry.

I've been looking this up. Oh, great. They traded their first pick. Who did? Who did? Chicago traded their first pick to the Jets for Andrew Ladd, which is why they couldn't draft Debrinkat 22nd overall, and then they acquired the 39th overall pick from Montreal for Shaw in the Shaw deal.

Oh! They got Debrinkat for Shaw. Oh, that's even better! And they got the 45th. Wait, now, how did they get all that for him? How did Montreal get both? Two seconds for Shaw. Yeah, they got the 45th pick and the Dabrinka pick.

How did they get... Oh, my God. And then, talk to me about this. How did they get Buffalo second? How did Montreal get Buffalo second? Do we know? How did Montreal get Buffalo? That's a good question.

Or was it Winnipeg getting it? See, okay, I need to do a trade tree. No, it was... Because I'm fired up. Because Montreal gave that pick to... I'm fired up. I got to do a trade tree. Because, yeah, Buffalo had given Montreal the trade.

Yeah, so I don't know. Was that a Josh Georges thing? Or was he a free agent signing? I will find out how... Oh, my God. Can you imagine? No, there were two trades made that day

players for two second rounders One was Shaw to Montreal for two seconds. The two seconds went to Chicago and then Lars Eller went to Washington and Montreal got two seconds back Let's say they're both the same age. Let's say Shaw and Debrinkat are both the same age. They're both 21. Do you do a trade

straight up? Absolutely not. Do you do a trade straight up right now? I would. There's no chance ever. Look, Shaw I think he has two Or was it one or two? Doesn't matter One's pretty good He was on the 2011 team

He had that really cool photo of him bleeding from the face Holding the Stanley Cup above his head Like you knew You knew he was going on the ice Like you know they're trying to patch him up He's like don't patch it up too good This is just gonna look Dramatic it's awesome good for him

Nate Diaz before Nate Diaz I don't want to take away from Andrew Shaw because it's a brain cat it's well it's it's not even alex it's the fact that montreal made that trade it's not andrew shaw's problem i gotta do a trade tree i gotta i gotta do some research i'm so fired up i was tweeting the other day i don't even know how it came up and yeah we're completely abandoning the boleski don't worry we're coming back to it yeah sure sorry uh i was tweeting the other day that the the blackhawks dynasty oh yeah so the blackhawks and penguins have won six of the last nine stanley cups yep with la winning another two yes and boston winning the odd one left out

and and it's funny that it's boston too the leafs basically helped build the penguins and blackhawks over those years verstig boland castle so the leafs gave chicago the pick that drafted sod the uh the first time the penguins won the cup they gave him hal gill when the bruins won the Cup they gave him Caberle and yeah they gave them all the world of picks for it was Bolin and Versteeg and there was all this crap it was basically the Blackhawks were like their core players guys that

the Leafs had given them and like six other guys that was basically it's frustrating frustrating man frustrating oh and sorry I remember other things that were in my Twitter feed that day because I got a very photographic memory Remember we were talking about former Leafs currently playing in the NHL that we would want back in the team?

Yeah. None of us said Anton Strallman. Yeah, I thought about him. I honestly did. I just didn't bring him up. I was like, yeah. I forgot. He's great.

There's no question. He wasn't my first choice. Yeah. He's good, man. And they messed that one up too. But Byron Fraze. Back to Ottawa. Sorry.

So they're running at probably what would have been over their internal cap in years past, and I don't know if that's still the case in terms of, like, you know, I guess they don't have an internal cap or they're running higher or whatever. It sounds like everything goes through the owner, so whatever they're paying is their internal cap. Just a couple years ago, or a couple years ago, a couple days ago, their announced attendance was somewhere in the 13,000 people range.

Oh. Okay. Ottawa fans on the ground who listen to this podcast. It's exactly where I wanted to go. I'm glad you're doing this. Please help us out trying to figure this out. Okay, so we made fun of them. We jumped on the never-ending train.

It was like one of those crazy never-ending trains that you get stuck at a railroad crossing and have to wait half an hour as it crosses, of people making fun of the Sens for not being able to sell a playoff game. We got lots of messages from concerned citizens living in and around the Ottawa area talking about there was this payment issue. Canadian government, a lot of government jobs in Ottawa. It's our capital city, just in case you don't know from our American friends. People couldn't afford to go to the games

And whatever was The excuse some people made up And I mean if you literally don't have the money To go to the games And it's not your fault That you don't have that money Then retraction Absolutely that's bullshit

And you know Sens fans don't deserve that grief My question is still I don't know if it's still I think now it's now I think it's a cultural thing And I would love to know I want to know

I want to know what happened They just made the conference final Dude there's something going on there I think fans are mad at the team for something Why? Maybe it's the shit show that we've been watching the last few days Maybe this is a culmination of a lot of shit that's been boiling They can't be that fickle

They can't be that fickle They just made the conference final It's not about the team It's about everything else around the team It's about ownership meddling It's about Oh, totally. That's been going on forever.

Oh, maybe that's it. But maybe it's worse. Maybe it's just worse. Maybe apathy. Apathy. I think maybe people are just tired. And I was reading some senators' comments on Twitter. And again, Twitter is an extreme example of everything.

It's the most extreme. Of course. But somebody said, they're making this really hard for me to put my money into this team. I just don't. Because somebody, the person tweeting this said, I just don't believe there's a future here. So why am I investing my money in this team? Because they look at it as like it's an entertainment investment. It's funny, big trades are two parts, you know?

Remember back in the day when the Leafs acquired Owen Nolan? Yes, for Brad Boyce and a first-round pick, I think. That's right. But at the time, I was like, take it, cool. And I mean, damn, Owen Nolan was good. He was. But it's two parts, right? Two parts is the hype behind, holy smokes, look at this trade that they just pulled off.

The second part is them actually doing well. Owen Nolan comes to Leafs. He's injured. I think he missed a couple games. First game two goals Huge sell he just yeah, I still I could still picture it went nuts and from there all bets are off I was just all the way in excited. So the Sens You know, there's this league-wide bidding war to get Matt Duchesne. It's been a story for like a year now They get him. Whoa Ottawa? Alright! Us?

Alright! And then They have to play the first two games in Sweden Oh my god First two games in Sweden He struggles mightily And I believe I read a stat where that The win against the Rangers Was Matt Duchesne's first win

On home ice as a cent Meanwhile Kyle Turris has 13 points in 14 games He's been incredible And he's brought some of the other Preds to life I'm trying to remember, who is it? Was it Cal Yarncroke has caught fire or something since Taurus joined on board? It's amazing what a little bit of depth will do. It's amazing what a little bit of depth will do.

You know what would have been interesting? What? Total aside, but that's what our show is about. Imagine the Coyotes had paid Kyle Taurus the minimal money he was asking. Because what was he making beforehand anyway? Oh, before the extension? Yeah. I'm really not sure.

four something five something Jesse can you can you look up Kyle Turris' salary just for a second here here Steve don't

no no I'm going to look up something else oh okay because I'm just thinking like if the Coyotes had Kyle Turris still the Coyotes yeah

the Coyotes remember like if they had Kyle Turris all these years would they have struggled as much he made 3.5 so they didn't want

to pay him 3.5 oh he's making yeah he's making 3.5 this year and then yeah he made that on the last contract The whole reason he was traded to Ottawa in the first place

is the Coyotes were like, no, that's too much money. What a joke. What a joke. You gotta remember, though, Kyle Turris hasn't always been this good. No, but he had a rocky start to his career. He did. His first coach was Wayne Gretzky, I think. Well, that's why.

Remember that? And no offense to Wayne, but he was not a good coach. No, and I'm sure he'd tell you that. His record would show. I don't think anybody's like... It wasn't a great situation either. No, it wasn't. But it's just one of those things you kind of sit back and go, man, hang on to the assets that you draft, man, and make sure you draft.

Make sure you draft. There's like some crazy stat about the top 50 goal scorers since like the lockout, and it's like 42 out of 50 are from the team. They're still with the team who drafted them because your talent is always – you draft it. You get the superstars. I know we love trades, man, but we should fall out of love with trades. If you Generally speaking Like okay

That's over a long Period of time Season in Season out Like go look All those players Are one Usually max

Two teams Into their NHL career And that's it They don't get moved Around a whole lot You know who gets moved Competent bums Competent bums

Journeyman goalies You know who always Gets a 4.5 million Dollar contract A guy who's been On a couple teams Yes And now he's a free agent

Yes And he had one 50 goal season Or 50 point season Yeah He got out of competent bum territory for some reason yeah, and yeah, and then all of a sudden he went back So okay Shane, okay? I'm I'm looking at the Duchenne trade so Ottawa got Duchenne

Nashville got to hers to Colorado Ottawa first-round pick Ottawa third-round pick Shane Bowers who I think was from the sense And a good a good Shane Bowers is a good defensive prospect is he not I'm trying to remember Andrew Hammond Yeah, no, I think Shane Bowers would have been The Sens prospect One of the prospects from Nashville was also very highly touted Samuel Gerrard That's the one

Or Samuel Gerrard Yep So, let's say Ottawa does go all in with the rebuild Which, I mean, because of Literally because of this trade, they can't You know what would have been really great To have? That first round pick

That third round pick And Shane Bowers No Shane Bowers Is the center Okay so it was Samuel Girard I'm talking about them Yeah yeah

That's my Oh boy Boy boy boy Now okay Remember earlier I was like ha ha Now I feel bad I don't feel ha ha

I don't feel good I feel bad for the fans Hard swing and a hard miss I feel bad for the fans The timing's kind of funny Because this Sunday They have the big outdoor game And all hockey media

Is currently in Ottawa You know what I'm glad Well and maybe that's why They called all the press conference And they're playing Montreal Elliot Friedman's here We better do a press conference

Make him sit in the cold He's got to put on a toque by the way What the heck is wrong with Elliot What are you trying to prove Elliot I know your hair is fantastic But come on man Some of us are Canadian Adam Doug McLean

Had a hat on Is Elliot Friedman that guy Who wears like a bubble vest Yes And he's like I'm not even cold I'm not even cold I spent time in Saskatchewan

The next time he comes on the show He'll be like Elliot Elliot Come on Tim and Sid were wearing them Darren and Doug were wearing them. Come on, Elliot. Also, they're very nice Sportsnet custom toques.

They are! Yeah, I would want to show that off. I've been slacking on the free stuff. Here I am wearing free stuff from seven years ago. I need a Sportsnet toque. You've been at Sportsnet for three years, and you do not have enough gear. There is so much swag just oozing out of that place.

I got a couple stickers. I got summer skates. Sportsnet summer skates. What is that? They're sandals, but the top part is like hockey laces oh

yes I've seen those come up every once in a while they gave them away and they kissed lunchroom but they were always like XXL so they'd fit Jesse

and not anyone else I don't even think my feet are that big they might fit me like awkwardly fun fact about my overly bigness um

I went to I went to Morris today so I could get fitted for a suit for Adam's wedding Jesse's big and tall and

and And I walked out. Obviously, the suit they gave me to try on isn't my size because they don't have my size. And they've got to fit it and order it. Hello, sir. Here is your suit. Try this one on. It used to belong to Jack Skellington.

And the lady goes to punch in my arm length in the system. And she says, I'm sorry, it only goes up to 20.5. And I measured your arms, and they're 21 inches, sir. you literally broke the measurement system with your limbs so when I get

wow man he's the biggest person I know so when I get my shirt they gotta add a little extension to it

they can extend they have shirt extenders I didn't know you could do that they add a little piece they got button

extenders for the neck that is a revolution for me I'm so stoked I almost passed out live on Leafs TV once

back in the day no because I like had no dress shirts so I did up the top button and I'm like freaking die every commercial break I allowed blood

to go back up into my head so you're gonna be okay I'll be fine I'll be fine okay it was a it was a little stressful

making the boys wear bow ties by the way for the wedding everybody's wearing a bow tie I'm looking forward to it yeah it's gonna be nice I think I think you guys are gonna look sharp as hell

and that's what it's all about really see it's his wedding and I think he just wants us to look like dicks no I don't I think we're gonna look like James Bond

I think you guys are gonna look great Oh no, you look great Have you talked to the Babsox people About getting custom wedding Babsox I asked And they didn't say it But first off, they don't have custom wedding Babsox

Well, for you, they can make an exception I don't think they can I think part of the licensing deal Is they can't alter Mike Babcock's face Right? Because we said we put a veil on They did for November Oh, I guess he had to agree to it

Part of the deal He had to agree to it Like, you know, and they probably had to go to Mike and be like, can we put a veil on you? That probably wouldn't go too well. No, get them to put a little bow tie below. Don't put a veil. I think it'd be hilarious if it was a veil.

A veil would be funnier, though. No, put on a bow tie. What about instead of good plur, good wife. Good husband. Never mind. Or, you know, sometimes if we can just. I'll get him next time. Jose Canseco struck out the most in the league,

but still got 50 home runs, right? You bet. Jesse, what were you saying? Jose Canseco? Jose Canseco. Why? I was talking about him with somebody today, and I read his tweets afterwards, because he's got an interesting Twitter account.

And then we were talking about steroids. Baseball's ultimate warrior. Yeah, and then I went down the Jose Canseco rabbit hole, so that's why I went to Jose Canseco. Because Aaron Judge did that like three months ago. I know. You could have made a more relevant reference. Steroids.

But does Aaron Judge have quite as good a tan as Jose Canseco? Nobody does. Nobody's got a tan like Jose Canseco Was Aaron Judge on the Simpsons? He was not Not yet The Simpsons haven't predicted it yet Can we also talk about the fact that the Blue Jays need to apply for a transfer

out of their division? Do you know that Manny Machado might end up as a New York Yankee as well? I saw that What the hell are we going to do? So you're all aware Are you aware of Baybaugh? Baybaugh?

Baybaugh I'm silly. Baybaugh. Baybaugh, for those of you who don't know, is... So over the past few years, I've been really doing my best to learn baseball. And I'm really starting to find it more and more fun. And I'm learning all the little rules. And a lot of them are really dumb.

And my friend... No, they're really dumb. See, if somebody was new to hockey... Oh, a lot of them are really dumb. And they can call it whatever they want. I yell and scream. My career is about calling the NHL dumb. Is it dumb or is it the fun of the game?

Okay, for example. Hashtag united by sport. That needs to be followed by a stinger. So, I get a text today, and it's just a picture of a tweet from Shy Davidi, I think it was. Well done, you nailed the name. With the 13th overall pick, the Blue Jays pass. Yeah. And all the text underneath was just Baybaugh.

I'm like, wait, you had the 13th overall pick And you just went, no thank you Because they have allotment money For what they can sign their picks Remember, they've got like 50 rounds, right? Why? Because there's a lot of people in your organization You've got to fill four minor league teams

And one summer team There are so many minor league teams There's so many baseball players, man There's so many Are there more baseball players or soccer players In any given organization? It depends on Soccer's got like academy

There's literally 12 people There's 13 people on a team plus like subs That's crazy My brother-in-law Played for One of Ross County In the SFL Scottish Football League One of their reserve teams

But he was like The youth team for the reserve team And I'm like wait okay I still don't actually know How many tiers down he was I think there's, yeah. I mean, I think it's different in the UK and in Europe than it would be here for, but they have a ton of, like, they've got,

like, they'll pick you out when you're, like, six years old and they put you into the, like, Manchester United Development Program. Like, there's a guy, is it Vasquez on TFC who was in the Barcelona program? Grew up in the, like, imagine you went to high school at, you know, Barcelona's soccer academy. He scored the 2-0 goal.

Yeah. Yeah. I know sports. and like that's a guy that like came up with some of the legends in the game like Lionel Messi

came up through that organization and he grew up with him you know that's it's just a different it's a totally different world I think baseball is a lot the same right

like it's just you get out of high school and you're into a program or you're going to the NCAA and and once you're drafted you can still play in the NCAA

yeah yeah exactly and yeah and you're not going to be a good player until you're like 25 anyway yeah so it's

I prefer my normal sport with glowing pucks yeah right and offside goals that are not offside the draft in baseball is in the middle of the season

yeah they have it in July so what was today then? rule 5 today? was it the rule 5? I don't know I wasn't paying attention what the hell is rule 5?

rule 5 is in the middle of the season then there's the other one right? no the regular draft is in the middle so it's probably rule 5 rule 5

yeah sure it's the 5th rule you don't know? yeah no what? hey

most surprising news of the day in the NHL world Chris Neal retired And why is that surprising? Because Chris Neal Hadn't retired yet A little bit

Like it was like Wait, wait, what? Is he still playing? I kind of had a feeling This was coming Because I saw a few people Chirp Because he got added

To the Sens alumni team For this outdoor game And everyone's like Uh, yeah But he's totally not retired No No Darcy Tucker tweeted

Something today Oh, I saw it He like took a jab at him? No, no He was making fun of himself Tucker Tucker goes Well, I guess this is the

Or I guess I'm not playing in any more Leafs-Sens alumni games. Yes. Basically giving Chris Neal kudos. Aw. Like, because Chris Neal could beat him up. But that's how long Chris Neal's been playing. Chris Neal fought Ty Domi and Darcy Tucker

and Brian McCabe in the playoffs against the Leafs. I was trying to convince Myrtle last night because The Athletic was maybe going to write about Chris Neal retiring. I wanted the picture that he used to be Darcy Tucker waving goodbye to Chris Neal when the Leafs eliminated him

that one time. It's such a good picture, too. He's just like, bye, bye. It's great. I miss that Darcy Tucker intensity, man. It was wild. He had crazy eyes.

I want to have him on the show one day and just be like, so let's talk about your crazy eyes for a second. What brings out the crazy eyes in mid-40s suburban Darcy Tucker? What? Question.

if Darcy Tucker was an 18 year old today could he play in the NHL yes Andrew Shaw yeah Darcy Tucker scored goals yeah he was

he was a 20 perennial 20 goal scorer I think he scored 31 once or twice decent on the power play he wasn't he wasn't the fastest skater but for whatever reason

he never lagged behind and he was physical and tough but when he was physical I mean back then it was like finish your check take yourself out of the play

but Darcy Tucker like it was like if you don't hit him Make yourself out of the play. Every time I see Matt Martin hit someone, I'm like, okay, now Matt Martin's out of the play. But back then, it was like, you finished the check! Yeah! That's a plur.

It's a plur. It was a good plur. Dursley Ture. Tucker had an ability to hit people, and it was where the play was. And he had a nose for the net. There was this stretch, I remember, I think it was during the Paul Maurice era, where they just had this play, you know, pass the puck around at the point, go to a guy in the high slot.

He'd feed it across to Tucker, banging it every single time. He was like JVR, but half a foot shorter. Yeah. And it would go in every time. When was Darcy Tucker drafted? I want to say 1996 by Montreal. What round? It was by Montreal.

Fourth. I'm also going to say fourth. I'm going to say 1990. What year did you say? I said 96. It might be too late. I think it might be 95, but I'm going to stick with my answer. I'm going to say 94.

And what were your rounds? You said four. Four. And you say four. Habs. The round is six. Oh, wow. You nailed Montreal Canadiens.

The year is 1993. Wow. Holy smokes. What is 42, his age, divided by three? Steven. Oh. Is it 14? 14.

Yeah. I checked the calculator. Well done, buddy. Matt Stajan's number. Yeah. Who was in a movie with Kevin Bacon. No. I tried.

Tried to make it work. It didn't work. It didn't work. There's a lot of, the Leafs play the Wild tonight. There's a lot of stories about, basically the whole story is Alex Staloc versus the Toronto Maple Leafs. And I have seen in the last month, because there was an athletic article at least a month and a half ago about Alex Daylock in his time here. Because he was supposed to play the Leafs. Right, and they did it then.

Yeah. And now there's several other articles from Sportsnet, from Athletic, from other outlets talking about how Alex Daylock had a really bad time when he came to the Leafs. He did. And, you know, I understand that, but I think everybody on the Leafs had a bad time that year. That was the year that we traded Reimer and Polak to San Jose and Alex Daylock comes back Along with Rafi Torres who never played and I believe wasn't an Eric Brewer or two Or is that a different trade? No Brewer I think was Jokinen. Right. Holy crap Remember when Ole Jokinen was a Leaf? Remember when Eric Brewer was a Leaf? That feels like another

That feels like a movie I watched. Yeah, like that didn't actually happen. And so, you know Alex Daylock I remember actually going to one of the Marlies games we went to. Alex Daylock was playing. And he could not find his game. And he's traded off of a team that ends up going to the Stanley Cup Finals. That sucks. Well, he was in the minors, was he not? He was in the AHL.

So here's what happened. So I'll give a little context. Because this is actually around when I was going to Marlies practices and going to every game and stuff for the playoff run. So the Marlies, between them already having too many players, The Leafs being eliminated and sending people down The Leafs acquiring guys Leaf draft picks from their junior teams being sent to the Marlies

Between all of that, the Marlies could have run two and a half full practices It was a joke There was this one time I was waiting around long after Marlies practice ended And I see this kid walk by And I'm wondering where his parents are and I quickly realized, oh, that's Jeremy Bracco. And Bracco was practicing with, like, the second-and-a-half practice squad. Jeremy Bracco, really?

Yeah, because he would have been one of the junior guys who got sent to the AHL after the junior season was done. He was drafted at that point? Yeah, I think he was a 2015 pick, I think. Was he? Okay. Yeah, so here's a tweet of mine from 2016, April 16th. Sheldon Keefe gave some more details for the decision to have Alex Daylock

leave the Marlies. Often forgotten aspect. So this is what Keefe said. He's a guy with a young family. His wife and child living in a hotel here and all for him to be essentially the third or fourth goaltender. You know, there was a conversation

with he and the organization. It was in his best interest to just kind of get on with things and bring his family back home. So basically, they knew they weren't going to use him. They had way too many players as it was and he was essentially Rafi Torres like sort of it wasn't exactly a cap dump but it was

basically you know okay we're getting James Reimer but you got to take this guy who we're not going to use so I don't know the Leafs or Marlies or whatever at least had the sense to be like I just go home yeah they're going through some stuff he's got a young family here they're in a hotel We're not going to use them. Go home. I think they did the right thing knowing that information, but I don't know. Staloc seems so fired up to play the Leafs that I don't know.

Maybe there's more to the story. Is he fired up or are people in the media making a big deal about him being fired up? Well, the quotes are that he was upset with the way the organization didn't give him a shot, but quite honestly at the time. Well, they didn't really. But at the time, did they owe anybody a shot? They didn't owe him that. They don't owe anybody that.

You know, they owe whoever is going to help them win a shot. And the reason he was traded from the Sharks as the backup goaltender behind Martin Jones was because he couldn't find his game. And he says that. It's funny. He's actually had a decent career. Yeah, he has. Like, in parts.

But boy, did he stink around the time. He stunk. Why does the last place see me to give a 28-year-old backup goalie a shot? I think that's exactly what the Leafs thought. Yeah. But when you are the 28-year-old, you go, come on, give me my shot. Right? You haven't even given me a shot.

Okay. And that would be why. I would think. But I agree with you. I would have done exactly what the Leafs did. Played three games with the Marlies and had a 9-0-7 save percentage. But the Marlies goalies at the time...

Holy mackerel! Look at all the goalies who played that year. So, Ryan Massa, Jonathan Bernier. That was that year. Rob Medora, Kazimir Kaskisko, Alex Stalok, Ray Emery, Antoine Bebo. Did I say Garrett Sparks? Garrett Sparks is in there.

So the Marlies had Sparks Who had just played in the NHL They had Antoine Bebo who was their starter They had Casimir Kaskiswo who they just signed And then Alex Staloc arrives There was just no space for him Yeah I'm amazed he even played three games

You know, so Hey, he's a competitor I'm glad he has this outlook on it Oh, they didn't give me a shot Maybe he looks at it like Ah, this team blows You know, I should be able to make this team See the Leafs stunk

The Marlies were the third best regular season team of all time Good point, yep, good point They might be the best all time this year We'll see We'll see as they take on the first place, Manitoba Moose This Sunday at Rico Coliseum Now, um Couple things I just want to quickly mention on the Leafs

Can I just say that I am legitimately concerned About the way they're playing right now They're getting outshot to hell Their possession numbers aren't good And I talked to Andrew Berkshire about it today And I said, listen But is there just smoke here, or is there actual fire? I like how you and I have the same strategy of...

Ty, defer to the guy who knows numbers. Let's go to Berkshire. He said, well, it's not good. But since November 1st, they've still outchanced their competition, 100-82 in high danger chances, which is still 55%. So he said, so Corsi in this regard isn't fully representative of how they've played. However, through the first month, they were at 70%, so they're clearly not playing as well as they were.

Wow, I mean, was that sustainable? Probably not. 70%, that's insane. Now, he said they've been dumping the puck more often, much more forechecking and backchecking instead of keeping the puck and making plays, probably why Nylander is being demoted. Fewer chances, I asked him about that,

and I said, because they were having, especially the Bozak-Marner-JVR line, they were having issues in the neutral zone entering the offensive zone. That line was dead to rights, right? maybe been the least best line over the last five games bingo so Andrew said I said so what's the benefit to changing to that and he said fewer chances against off the rush due to failed entries right the fewer turnovers the fewer chances that they're going to come at you he said so what

they're doing is they're cutting down the quality of chances at both ends and uh he said the biggest impact is the quantity of of quality chances uh for themselves and he said it's interesting I don't think that they're gonna he said I don't think they're going to continue with this no but it seems like it's something they've done to sort of get back to basics yeah this is the really interesting thing and why i'm like i'm i'm worried i am worried me too but like with the carlisle era leafs it was this overwhelming feeling of dread and inevitable collapse but with the leafs i feel like it's a switch they're choosing to play this way which is super confusing but it's like we He said they're building a contender and developing on the fly.

They still have young players to develop. Yeah. Like, to say that even Matthews is a complete NHL player, but is he a complete NHL superstar quite yet? I think Austin Matthews would be like, I still got room to grow. Yeah. Dominic LeCision of The Athletic wrote this thing today. Dumb with his percentages.

Oh, dumb. Everybody gets mad at him every day for him saying, here's who's going to win tonight. It's literally an algorithm. them. Like, it's not Dom going... Dom hates your team, and he hates your city, and he hates you. So, just, you know, get used to that. Yeah, he's from the GTA,

and he has an irrational hatred of the Dallas Stars for no reason. No reason. Other than he hates your team, naturally. Hates Dallas, actually. Hates Texas? Hates America. Hates America. Hates apple pie. Agreed. Hates it. Loves Lorde, though.

He's a big fan, and I agree with him there on Lorde. Sorry, you were going to say it right in the middle. I don't remember. He was talking about how Leafs' time on ice has changed over the past little while or so. And, like, Nylander is one of the most glaring guys out there. Like, they're basically—I wonder how much of the Leafs' struggles in terms of their chances and their shots for and against is them just basically, you know, silence of the lambs, strapping Nylander to a gurney, and just one day they're just going to unleash him.

I wondered that too. I can't wait until like the day in February where Babcock goes, all right, and no, the Leafs are here. And just lets them show up. Well, and it goes against your, and Andrew says this. He said, listen, I give them credit because I know they're legitimately smart. He's like, I know, I give the Leafs the benefit of the doubt here that they're trying to implement some sort of mentality.

Babcock hates the way they're playing. Oh, yeah. You can hear it in his scrums. But he's doing it for a reason. I don't know fully what that reason would be, but I guess it's a basics thing. But you look at Mitch Martin, who's got two goals this year. I can't imagine that that's going to last.

You know, it's funny. You know what we forget is Matthews went on a goalless streak of, what was it last year? Ten games. Yeah, and then he had another one. When he scored against the Blackhawks in those cool St. Pat's jerseys, That snapped like a seven-game goal-a-streak or something like that for him. So Nylander going through a cold snap, Marner going through a cold snap.

Matthews was pretty cold before he got hurt. It's not totally out of the ordinary. I'm excited to see where they end up. What's great is Mitch Marner only getting two goals isn't a problem, isn't a story. Nylander's still fourth. He's like one point behind JVR or something like that. But imagine that. That's a guy that had, what, 60 points last year?

He's got two goals through the first two months 61 or something And the Leafs are tied for fifth in the league But think about that That's not a story No, I disagree I'd say it's a story It's talked about all the time on the broadcast

Oh, is it? Yeah But, well He's got a lot of assists I don't understand I don't know I just don't They're a very confusing team

But it's I wonder if it's Just a bigger version of, you know, what we talked about with a couple years ago, they put Nagy through the ringer. And then last year, they put Riley through the ringer. And now they're putting Zaitsev. They're putting Zaitsev through the ringer.

And Brown, Brown as of late, has really struggled because Babcock is just, he's like taking the captain of the high school swim team and throwing him into the Olympics. Like, putting him on the first line, giving him all the toughest assignments. I think I remember from Dom's chart, his minutes have skyrocketed

and I believe a lot of his numbers have tanked. He's got a couple goals for his trouble but like they're really putting Brown out there against the big boys. I wonder if it's just a he's testing the team just testing their mettle. And developing the team A lot of things went their way

last year and a lot of things went their way at the beginning of this year so but I mean to make it through four rounds of playoff hockey like you basically need to turn yourself into a monster. Like a cold hearted monster.

The things players do to each other by rounds three and four you're like, you should be in prison. Yeah. I don't know, maybe he's just trying to beat that into them before another team does it for them. I don't know.

I can see that. I think sometimes there was a LeBron quote that I used to i i used to remember it i can't of course remember because i have a terrible memory but what lebron basically said was every time i feel like my game's going off a little bit i go back to doing basics layups you know shots from the line like just basic and i think michael jordan said the same thing you sometimes you just need to get back to the basics and dump and chase is a pretty basic way to play hockey i wonder if babcock looked at the the um the the neutral sorry the

offensive zone entries, which were a problem at the beginning of the season, despite the fact that they were scoring off the charts and said, okay, well we're going to work our way back up to that. Let's throw all numbers out the window. We knew full and well at the beginning of the season, the way they were playing was unsustainable. Yes.

They weren't going to win playoff games 8-5. They coughed up a 5-1 lead in the second game of the season. We knew this wasn't going to last. It's just How far into a season It's funny, there's still like 50 games No, there's still exactly 50 games left

At the time that we're making this podcast I was about to say How far into a season do you decide to play The way you're going to play for the rest of it I think in the next 10 to 15 games You start to see it materialize But I also think I think it constantly changes, I don't know

Yeah, but I think you want to be at optimum Probably with 30 games left And also, remember there were only 3 points behind Or at least, they were only 3 points behind Tampa Bay. I'm not sure if Tampa, I'm sure Tampa won because Tampa doesn't lose, but um, you know, they're not they're not that far out. No, Tampa.

We are cheering for Tampa. They are five points off. The Leafs have 41 points. Wow. 41 points! And we're not even through December yet. Two years ago, they finished with 69. Which might sound nice to you. It is.

It wasn't nice to watch. They could hit 50 points by Christmas. Tampa Bay will hit 50 points by Christmas Yeah they could That's huge I'd say it'd be a disappointment If they don't hit 50 by 2018 There you go

The Leafs? Yeah How many games do they got left? Four games They just win five games Out of? Oh eight or nine Out of the schedule

Okay that's going to be hard Hit 45! Yeah Yeah they can do that At very least They can do that Now 47

Do it for Leo I'm not sure If you saw this We talked a little bit About Eric Francis Right up in the Calgary Sun About What would happen

The doom and gloom That would occur If the Flames Don't get a new arena And if the arrogant Mayor Nenshi Doesn't get off His arrogant high horse

Of not wanting To spend public money On a private organization That really isn't asking To bring any more money Into the city That's already You know what I mean?

Yeah Okay you know Where I'm going with this Right? so Kent Wilson from The Athletic God bless him oh yeah

he's with The Athletic he went through the entire article oh and gave here's why this point is wrong here's why this point is wrong here's why this point is wrong

it is a fascinating read because you're like me like you love the game right you love the X's and O's

but the business side of shit sometimes is really complicated I mean I think for even somebody in business it's gotta be complicated so it's hard to understand

a lot of this stuff and he got kind of goes through and there's a few points I want to touch on but he starts the article in the best way it's an old quote

from the Pittsburgh Tribune Review that's the way I start all my best work from Mario Lemieux oh now what is the current arena

in Pittsburgh called Steve I forget uh was it PNG or something I forget I think it's PNG or PNG

let's look it up I thought you would know because you saw him wow Wow! That friggin' arena. That is something I would do. I thought you would know that.

PPG. PPG? PPG Paints Arena. It's changed. That's right. It's changed. It was something else. I was going to call it PNC.

It was PNC. No, PNC Park is obviously the baseball park. Maybe that's what I was thinking. Anyway, who's going to guess PPG Paints? That must have just changed. Anyway. I assumed you. The original, the original,

when the original arena, when they broke ground on that because they needed a new arena and the team was half sold to Jim Balsillie who wanted to move it to Hamilton. And Gary Bettman said, no, you can't really do that. You need governor approval. I don't care what's on your phone. Yeah. Now, at the groundbreaking ceremony last week,

Lemieux told the Pittsburgh Tribune Review that, quote, we, the owners, had to do a few things to put pressure on the city and the state, but our goal was to remain here in Pittsburgh all the way. Those trips to Kansas City and Vegas And other cities Was just to go and have a nice dinner And come back That is from the lips of Mary Lemieux

To be a rich person Must be the most fascinating thing Imagine Deciding To fly to Kansas For Dinner Out of spite

And then coming home Kansas City is in Missouri Missouri Not Kansas What did I say? You said fly to Kansas Kansas City Kansas City is a place in Missouri

Oh my bad Kansas is a state Really? America It's like Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta Baybaugh Yes Baybaugh

Baybaugh Well they do have Baybaugh Continue Just to correct you Now this is part of Thank you No I'm glad the Midwest didn't yell at me What I'm about to read to you is

Is part of Eric Francis' article Now, this goes back and forth between Kent Wilson's and Eric Francis's. You have to read the whole thing, but I'm just giving you some highlights. Eric Francis, with the absence of compliant local politicians in office and a skeptical public ever more jaded by the team's effort to garner a sizable public subsidy, the organization has been waiting for a new leverage point to emerge in the well-worn sports franchise free arena playbook. That means finding a looming, credible relocation threat. Sorry, I got that wrong. That's actually Kent Wilson.

Enter Houston. So they're looking for leverage points here. is basically what he's saying. Now, Eric Francis' recent article on the Flames' potential flight to Houston is a study in leverage seeking. This is interesting. It presents the relocation threat

as not merely a credible, but inevitable threat and throws in a variety of common rhetorical flourishes for good measure. So, here's what Eric says. Fact is, we'll eventually reach a point in this dangerous game of chicken that the most logical solution may just be to sell. It certainly is the easiest.

Now, Kent Wilson says, selling and moving the Flames would be far from easy, Calgary is a top 10 NHL market with a long history of grassroots support a high concentration of corporate offices and a large GDP, that's all true the Flames have made it past the second round twice in the last two decades

but somehow currently sit 8th in average NHL attendance this year it would require a vote from the NHL Board of Governors to move a team out of one of its strongest markets in the league sorry, strongest markets in the league in favor of somewhere relatively unknown, bracket

and instead of one of the many other franchises that are currently struggling. Now, they keep going. They keep going. They go on to talk about Calgary is one of the youngest cities in North America, which it is. It's, even despite the downturn, one of the best places to live in North America and the world. Absolutely affordable.

I mean, we make fun of Alberta. It's a great place to live. It's kind of like Oshawa. Oshawa is a very strange place because it's a mixture of very young and hipstery and, like, old and Canadian tuxedo-y. Yeah. And I think Alberta's very similar.

Yeah. Remember that breakfast place we went to? You didn't believe me. You didn't believe me. If you blindfolded me and dropped me in there and then took it off, I'd be like, oh, we're in Parkdale? Yeah, yeah.

Ossington. People with white and black horizontally striped shirts and berets, you know, people dressed like a mime. Beards. And having eggs benedict. Salmon. But then you walk down the street and you're like

oh this place needs some renovation Jesse would you like me to take you to the local kick and stab next time

I would not like to go there what is that called it's secrets secrets or oh no

the tartan's not the kick and stab secrets no what's the one chasers no not chasers not chasers oh

I think it's called bad decisions or rumors or something rumors I think it might be I haven't been to rumors all these names

sound like awful places whatever name of those was right it describes the bar perfectly any one of them could have been right my dad's metal band yes my dad is a drummer for a metal band played at a bar in Oshawa and I was like I would never come here

if my dad hadn't told me to drinking my draft beer I'm like I'm fairly certain this is at least 25% antifreeze so is Calgary like that? oh Calgary is Calgary is very modern There isn't a lot of history there because

You have to remember turn of the century There was 5,000 people there Last century The center of the country Is full of places where I'm like how are there Populations One of my favorite things is The general Los Angeles

Population Is around 32 million Canada is 33 No it's more than that Right now 36 now, yeah. 36. 36.

We're growing. All right. Slowly. But still. We're Los Angeles. Good part of California is several cities, but our one city. Count like one suburb next to Los Angeles, and that's the entirety of Canada. The second largest land mass country on earth.

Yeah. So there you go. Well, and that's, so Calgary was, I remember reading a story about it when I was there. There was a, there's a fort that they still have that's there. That's, you know, like a mirror of an image of the old original wooden fort. The people who built it are still there guarding it on a horse. And at one point, it was so wild and crazy out there, because it was the Wild West, that an American flag used to fly out of it. Even though it was Canadian territory, the Americans are like, because we can, because they're American.

Now, the thing with Calgary is it's young, it's rich. Even with the downturn, it's rich. There's huge corporate dollars there. That's one of the major problems in Ottawa is there isn't a lot of corporate money. It's all government. It's a lot of new money. New money. But that's the thing.

That's high GDP. You're talking about corporate head offices for a ton of oil companies right there. And that's what I was told killed the Hartford Whalers. Passionate fan base, but they didn't really have the corporate infrastructure. And you need that. They didn't have the companies buying seasoned seats. That's why advertising success is so shocking. Well, they got an owner that's, first off, they got revenue sharing in the NHL now, which is good.

And they got an owner. Tickets are expensive. They've got an owner that is, I believe, are they not MTS? Are they not the cell phone provider? True North. But is True North not owned by MTS? Oh, I have no idea. Like, the MTS Center is Manitoba Television.

I think it might be True North owns that. Okay, well, whatever. But they have a supportive ownership. They have an obnoxious amount of money. Okay. But the dollars coming in from a corporate side can't be a lot at all. I don't think it is. No.

I think it's one of those. Winnipeg's big. Winnipeg's, like, close to the size of Boston. But not in terms of companies operating out of Winnipeg. Yeah, I don't know that. Yeah, I think Jesse's right in that sense like I wouldn't I wouldn't call and this is no offense to the city of Winnipeg There's you know obviously some huge successes there But I wouldn't say that it's one of the like it's not a financial hub like Calgary like Boston like Vancouver

You know you know there and and so for What's hilarious about what's hilarious about this situation is literally every point of this Calgary debate? Points to they're never moving this team. They've already won a cup there The fan support is enormous Flames fans are nuts You guys remember the Red Mile Oh

Like it's insane Who was not cheering For the Flames That year Oh my god it was the best I was And I was cheering for him

Oh I wanted Iggy to win Even being out there It was I wanted Kipper He was that team man Yeah Kipper was that team When I get him scored

Without a helmet or whatever Like that's not even my team I remember all those moments You know So To say that what I wanted to really ask in reading this, and I encourage you to read

the Kent Wilson piece because I'm not doing it any justice and it's very hard to do that on a podcast you gotta read the article but Eric Francis' article was very inflammatory this is going to happen fire and brimstone the seven horsemen are coming back

like it's all tell me why you'd write an article like that when there was so many factual inaccuracies, and when you read his article you're going to read Eric Francis' and then read Kent Wilson's. There are a lot of basic inaccuracies that you go, oh, yeah, well, you're right, yeah. I don't know enough.

You read it, I haven't. I just don't understand why Eric Francis would write that article because he covers the team. Well, there's theories out there. Has he said anything in response to the article? Eric Francis to Kent Wilson's? No, to just the public. That's a good question.

I don't think he cares. No? He hasn't tweeted out anything in support of his article because it's a strange thing to write when there's actually no factual proof that they're moving and everybody says they're not moving. That's the thing. So it's not just people on the ground. It's not just Kent Wilson, who I think is a writer in Calgary, but some of the smartest, least outspoken insiders in the industry. like not only say the Flames are not moving

they scoff at the idea and they're sick of it I just looked up Eric Francis' Twitter account and I'd love to have him on ad to address this but he also wrote a similar article for the Calgary Herald which is another newspaper and he writes

for Sportsnet as well I just don't understand where this is coming from Francis, Batman and Nenshi give Flames owners good reason to sell the team so is I just want to ask him the question as to why he's writing these things

I'm trying to figure that out what's the no basis there what's his motive behind because it's and these are also how many times is he going to write this

it covered the team well it's it clicks man it's a yeah well these assertions though and that's what the business is based on

it's advertising it's clicks these assertions that he's making are not necessarily inaccurate but they're implausible There are things that probably won't happen.

And some of the things are straight up inaccurate. You can't just sell the team. Or you can't just move the team. And you're not going to get $650 million from Houston for the team. The NHL doesn't want you, Murray Edwards, the owner of the Flames, to get $650 from Houston. They want $650 to go to the NHL so that Houston can expand into the NHL. That's where the money comes from. The main premise is Calgary is going to move to Houston.

That literally is against the rules and can't happen. So why would he write a thing that says Calgary is going to move to Houston? Well, and also they can't just be sold because wasn't the big thing, wasn't the exciting thing for Hurricanes fans, the recent sale of their team, isn't the rule that once a team is sold, whoever buys them agrees to keep the team there for seven years. So, I mean, Flames fans should be like, all right, sell them.

They have to be there for seven years. They have to be there for seven years. And we'll figure out an arena in that time. Yeah, and you'll make a shitload of money because it's Calgary. Yeah. I pulled up the article. There's got to be some, like, oil baron local who's going to be like, you know what, I just like the Flames.

Here you go. While profitable, this is according to Eric Fray. No arena, I'm going to put my face on the roof. While profitable, the Flames lose ground on all 30 NHL rivals. Every day they stay in the 34-year-old Staddle Dome where the team has maxed out the revenue it can generate. The team can't possibly continue to play their long term. And Kent Wilson's rebuttal to this is,

I doubt the Flames will be losing any ground on the likes of the Arizona Coyotes from a profitability perspective anytime soon. In the hierarchy of sports teams' business plans, the health of a market far outweighs the finances of the arena. True. Yeah. The mayor needs to find a way back. This is Eric Francis again.

The mayor needs to find a way to be the bigger man by coming up with a new way to get the Flames back to the negotiating table to build something the city will eventually have to build with or without the Flames in town. Man, this isn't about, like, his politeness and gestures. This is about hundreds of millions of dollars. He follows it up with, his ego won't likely allow that. Now, Ken Wilson says, first, let's establish that there's

almost the entirety of the city council rejected the Flames' various overtures over the years, not just Mayor Nenshi. Next, the city has been open to negotiation for months since the last tete-a-tete with the CSEC, but it was Ken King and ownership who walked away. So who endorsed the, uh, the other mayoral candidate in the recent election,

finally, whatever one might think of the mayor's personal style. And this is Kent Wilson. It's good that he has enough backbone to stand up to these sorts of demands. As noted previously, the last thing you want as a taxpayer are politicians who are intimidated or cozy up with the powerful people who are looking to belly up to the trough. Ask people in Atlanta how they feel about their new baseball stadium.

In the middle of freaking nowhere. What? Steve sent a tweet that says... Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. No backup. Steve sent a tweet that said... Jesse typed a tweet that I clicked send on. That said, hi, Eric Francis.

Would you like to come on the Steve Dango podcast? I'd love to have him on. Please DM Adam Wilde if you are interested. DM me? Wait, why'd you put it on him? Your DMs are open. Why are you putting that on me? He's the only one who he can reach out to.

Adam. you couldn't reach out through Sportsnet as someone who brings up the fact that you used to live in Calgary every 20 minutes I feel it only fair

that you be the Calgary ambassador on this project I just I'd love I'd love to have him answer for this shoot

we're supposed to have Craig Custance yeah we have Craig on too what's the he's like our our Ben Affleck or whatever Matt Damon

Matt Damon sorry Craig Craig Custance yeah by the way Craig is like one of the most well respected writers

in this sport and we keep going oh we got a I got an email today he's like so are we doing this we are doing this can we do that next week please

can we do that Tuesday and I had to tell one of the most after Francis respected writers my dog has the shits let's have both of them yeah

and Mark Spector I won't even show up can you monitor your direct messages I will monitor my direct messages I just don't want to get in trouble with

Sportsnet PR about not going through them because normally that's what you have to do because he's a writer for Sportsnet no I'm sure it'll be fine I haven't gone through them

for anyone except Ron McLean Maybe don't say that on the podcast. Fine. So anyway, I just find it funny that, like, where is this coming from? So that'll be the question I have for Eric is, if what you're saying is implausible, why are you making it seem so plausible? Is there something I'm missing here? That'll be the question. Has Mayor Nenshi ever wronged you?

Well, it's very clearly he doesn't like Mayor Nenshi. And you don't have to like the politician in charge. But also, the Flames shouldn't get a free arena. and I don't think anybody in that town they don't love paying taxes in Alberta and they don't pay

a lot of it as a result so why would they fund an insanely expensive arena with a billionaire owner I paid my taxes

today and I was not smiling no I don't think I don't want to pay my damn taxes

I understand it that doesn't mean I like it I just understand it I don't think any professional sports team who's a private

organization that makes billions of dollars should get an arena funded by taxpayers in any place in North America. It doesn't make sense. I 1,000% agree. Is there an argument,

and I feel like we've had this discussion before, where you could argue, well, it does bring XYZ to the city and whatever, and you should spend some money. Edmonton was taxed.

But wasn't Edmonton entirely? Yeah, because they revitalized the whole downtown core, but I still... See, what about like a half or like a quarter? So if you're going to help the downtown core There's absolutely no reason why you need to do it

Edmonton needed to do it And Daryl Cates held him over the coals about it Because remember he was going to move the team When I was out there, oh no, the Edmonton Oilers might move Going to Seattle What was it, a football game or a soccer game? Oh yeah, that was great It was great and it's horrible

But it was great theater to watch Because you kind of go, okay, Daryl, we know And you know what? It did kickstart something good in Edmonton It really did. It had a good effect. Edmonton's downtown sort of needed it, and they did it, and the arena's beautiful, apparently. And usually in those cases, there's some instance where the city gets half of parking revenue or something over a 20-year period, and then they finally get paid back all that money.

Yeah, it's a complex deal. It's not a you pay for everything, which was the rumor here. I think the problem here is that Calgary is a very successful city. downtown may not be may not be like the actual downtown core might be very corporate there's a couple streets that are really on fire and awesome it's not like Toronto

in the same way that there's something going on downtown in every section all the time but if you yeah there's boroughs and there's you know there's several places where Calgary like it doesn't need a downtown revival private enterprise is taking care

of that when I lived in Calgary in Victoria Park which is a rough It was one of the rougher areas, which was like a crummy, shitty area, which was outside Stampede Park. I wasn't going to say it. They were revitalizing. So these developers had come in, bought up all the old, bad, nasty houses along the riverbank, and said, okay, we're putting condos up, and it's beautiful now. They sort of soaped it?

Absolutely they did. But that's what happens. Come get an Airbnb. Can you imagine? Go to the Calgary Stampede. But imagine a condo developer saying, guys, I'm going to revitalize your city with these great condos, but the city has to pay into that. Get a condo by historic Adam Wilde's old house.

Yeah, right? I just, I don't know. I just find this, I find, I hate, I mean, I really- I hate these discussions. I hate these discussions, and I hate when cities have to foot the bill for private enterprise. I don't care that it's a city, but-

I hate when rich people pull out their metaphorical- Look at BMO. Look at the BMO field. It's a public-private partnership, that soccer stadium, football stadium. But when MLSC wanted to put, you know, was it 10,000 more seats in? Because it was 26,000 originally, now it's 36,000 or something. They paid for it. They didn't even go to the city.

They're like, okay, let's write the check, let's go. And what's weird is they're losing so much money. Oh, MLSC. TFC is just printing money. Yeah, you can't buy season seats to the Leafs, to the Raptors, or TFC anymore. Gone. Sold out. Gone. Forget it. Crazy. Poor Argos. Well, MLSC just bought them too.

I think that's a great thing for the Argos that they got bought by MLSC. Yeah, but the Argos couldn't sell out a game to help themselves. No, but I'm excited to see what MLSC does with it. I have a feeling that MLSC is going to win. Because they are super obsessed with winning. They've been trying. These days. Well, here's the thing. I think MLSC really has this adversity to not making money off everything they do, and it might take a couple years, but I guarantee you, or not guarantee you, but I would think that the Argos, they wouldn't have bought the Argos without a plan, a five-year plan, and they wouldn't have bought the Argos if they were not confident that they could turn them into a viable tool in this market.

For playoff games, like, people who worked for the team, before they would even say hello to me, they would just point at the seats, the empty seats, because it was hours before game time, and they would just be like, sold out. Sold out tonight. Like, it means a lot to them. It means a lot to them. And it's hard for a team that's not an NHL team. Hey, remember the playoff game you came to in Oshawa? The Generals game? Mm-hmm.

The Generals packed that place. Or Generals fans pack that place, usually. but I think it was season seats didn't go into the playoffs or something so you guys went to a playoff game

in like a half full arena like it's hard the Marlies they sold the crap out of that it's hard all I'm saying is in Toronto

we had to give away tickets to the championship game with a large pizza and a pop and you'd sit you'd sit in the 200s at BMO if you just bought

a slice of pizza Well, you can do it to see the Rough Riders. Take on the Rough Riders. All I know is five or six years ago, my father-in-law, who paid, I think it was like less than $500 for season seats for TFC, they raised the ticket prices,

but because TFC had done so poorly the year before, he emailed someone at TFC back and basically said, go F yourself with this bull crap. I don't want to renew if you're going to raise the prices. And so they gave him his tickets at the last season's price. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, you know why? Because TFC needed the people and sucked. And within a few years, they no longer needed the people and no longer sucked. Back-to-back finals appearances, they won. Never know. I'm just excited for this Grey Cup winning team to not sell out a game again. No, I think it's... Because that's what happened.

The attendance is going to be really poor for a while. They can't be better, though. The team literally is the champion. It's not about that, though. It isn't. It's not about that. The Raptors got good, but I think the reason they're doing so well in the city is they tried really hard to ingrain them in the city and make them cool.

They tried really hard. And the Argos have never been that. No, the Argos have never been that, so maybe MLSC will do that. They were. They were that. 60s, 70s, 80s, they were. Doug Flutie. When you think Argos, who's the player you think of?

Doug Flutie. Pinball Clemens? Right. When did those guys retire? When did Doug Flutie go to the NFL? 98? Right. That's the problem.

They've never had that guy that captured the city's imagination since Doug Flutie left and Pinball retired. And when Pinball was the coach, they sort of had it. But the problem is, I think, with the Argos, they need superstars again. And you've got guys on TFC that are superstars. CFL. But there are CFL superstars And you gotta

You gotta raise excitement again I mean Drummond Andre Drummond Was another guy Superstar Anthony Calvillo So you can do it

It's just a matter of What's Scale it right What's the scale Are they gonna be Austin Matthews No they're not gonna be Austin Matthews

But they still could be A big deal And they still could grab The imagination They still could be A personality in the city It's like on the world scale Who the hell is

Josie Altidore Like really Oh he's an American National team player So is Michael Broglie Yeah and where are they Well Not in the World Cup

If you had said Mitch Marner, it would have been a much better example. Really? Yeah. No, but I'm trying to say. Because that's soccer. Soccer is international. Yeah, but do you think people in Spain right now are having impassioned conversations about, did you see that goal from Jose Altidore?

I think more people in Europe know Jose Altidore than they know Mitch Marner. I think you'd be surprised. Well, of course. But hockey is so teeny tiny. So I'm saying your example should have been Mitch Marner. No, no, no. He's huge. No, no, no.

Sorry, okay, sorry, maybe I didn't make this clear enough. I'm talking about the tiers of league. Like, the NHL is the biggest you can get in hockey, and if you don't know that, well, you're just not that big of a hockey fan. I'm talking about, you know, the NFL is clearly several steps up from the CFL in the same way that, like, a lot of those European soccer leagues are several steps up from MLS. And like Josie Altidore was over in Europe

Couldn't really do much Comes to the MLS he's a star Do you understand what I'm saying So like for to be a CFL superstar Like who is the CFL Josie Altidore Or Sebastian Jovinko Who came over to the CFL

Like I still don't get your example Something like that I'm trying to say Ricky Williams coming here I mean maybe No but that was like sort of a player who like fell from grace I'm talking about who is a who's the player like

are we going to enter no we couldn't possibly I was going to say are we going to enter an era where the CFL could steal someone from the NFL but it'll never happen

no it's a different game so that's interesting how the hell does it happen then that's why I'm so scrambly right now I'm trying to figure out how they would do that

you develop a personality or several pinball yeah but but not pinball because pinball's been there and done that

and everybody's seen pinball carded out time and time again you don't bring him back yeah At 53 years old Here's Pinball promoting The freaking Argos again

Our player coach Hey everyone This is Pinball Clubs Yes Yes Could Pinball run for mayor Tomorrow and win? Yes

Okay Probably He's that popular I think so Despite Putin's comments The KHL is still undecided As to whether Go to the Olympics or not

So that's interesting His comment Because Putin's comments were Athletes from Russia Should go They've trained their whole lives Can we put bets down now? I say

the KHL announces what they're going to do two weeks after the Olympics start. This is what they do, man. And if you're looking for a great tire fire in sports, I'm just skimming these. My conversation about soccer

compared to football just now. The Marlins rebuilding. You want to talk about stripping it down for nada. Holy crap. At what point do we get concerned that a Yankees legend bought a baseball team

and his first move was a catastrophic rip off with his former team does that does that sound like shenanigans Jesse and I were talking about it the other day and Jesse I think nailed it and he said he should just be retired man

like just just be retired just be Derek Jeter and enjoy your gazillions of dollars he signed what did he sign a 10 year 189 million dollar contract like 10 years ago Oh, yeah. You've made $250, $300 million. What are you doing?

How many people successfully retire rich before 45? And just do nothing. He's got a wife, a young wife, and a young child. Like, you're a Hall of Fame baseball player. Go and give speeches and hang out in Florida with your kid on a boat and just make sure your kid grows up right and just let it go. Why did Gretzky ever try coaching? like why

is Kevin Lowe doing what Kevin Lowe is doing if you won all those cups and it was such a big deal why are you still doing stuff why are you buying teams his 4%

ownership of the Marlins means he's putting up I think it's 45 million dollars of his own money a year into this organization

that's 4% of the team 45 million dollars wowzers so who's the GM uh Derek Jeter why are people talking about

no no well he's apparently He's had a lot to do with it He's supposed to be the baseball mind Yeah he's president right now And then I don't know the name I forgot the name of the guy who owns the

Other 96% of the team But he's like Go run this team Derek Cheater And here's what's great They're looking for investors So they bought the team They're stripping it of it's best players They got rid of Starlin Castro

Dee Gordon and freaking The best home run hitter probably ever He'll probably break The record next year No no You don't think so Barry Bonds is the Greatest home run

Hitter ever Okay non-steroid But he only took Steroids He would still be Great if he didn't Take steroids He's not as good

He's probably the Best ever Okay fair enough Joe Carlos Stanton Is one of the best Ever probably top 10 Right He's not going to

Answer that question Because it's stupid One of the best Quotes ever I'm angry because I'm on steroids And you're stupid Imagine being on

Steroids and losing Game 7 of the World Series How pissed do you My testicles shrunk for this? Allegedly. Also, it's 804, so leave scams. Oh, yeah.

Oh, shoot. So, no, I'm just throwing this out there. It just is hilarious because why would you buy a team and then look for investors? Now you're fucked. You have no leverage. Also, why would you buy a team and then try and lose? You're selling off assets, so you could be terrible. Oh, no, maybe no one will go to Marlins games now.

Come on. I don't get it First thing I thought of When you said Investors Was prestige Worldwide Why

Why From uh Stepbrothers Oh Investors Possibly you Last week We put liquid paper

On a bee And it Died Sorry I think that's Derek Jeter right now He put liquid paper On a bee

And it's dying Who's gonna go to Those games next year That brand new stadium Which is beautiful The fam That went there All last year

they'll go back who's the Rays fan who used to always yell he yelled at that Jays rookie who got bad Eric Kinski yeah

I don't know the name of the fan but yeah there was a fan in Tampa who would heckle Eric Kinski and then Eric Kinski eventually became

a Tampa Bay Ray and they went to the finals and they were best buddies yeah that's funny that was that was the like closest Toronto

ever came to their own Steve Sullivan moment when Steve Sullivan got hit with the puck and then the fan who was heckling him got hit with the puck so Hinski goes up to bat

and this guy's going nuts you know screaming at him you can hear him on the mic yeah he goes if I hit this home run you have to shut up the guy goes okay

hits a home run he goes alright you gotta show up he's like no if you hit this one then I'll shut up and then he hit that one and then he went alright

I'll shut up that's awesome if also you want to hear an infuriating quote the Toronto Blue Jays have said I believe it was Mark Shapiro that said

And, you know, if this were another market, we might have already started the rebuild. But the fans have finally just come back. So we can't let them down. They need to rebuild the team. You could have just shortened that by saying, you're all stupid. No. We think you're all stupid. It's very clearly that Rodgers doesn't want a losing team to sell.

Here's the quote from... Allegedly. Alex Cicero had the quote from the Jeff Blair show on the fan. probably not 90 Marsha Byer if we were running this team without a fan base

we probably would have started a rebuild a year ago we're trying to remain competitive for those fans the Leafs are down the street

you don't even need to put on a jacket to watch to the ACC from Rogers Center but again what did you say at the beginning of this episode

what did you say about GMs and funny moves Dumb. I'm trying to remember. I don't remember. You don't know what their marching orders were. And I believe that the appetite may not be.

If Mark Shapiro, who's a pretty smart baseball guy, if Mark Shapiro is saying, we would have started this, but we don't want to do it for the fans, they're using the fans as the excuse for, we can't and we're not allowed to. I'm going to try a transition right now. I'm going to try it.

So, you know what he should have said instead, if he did have different marching orders nothing so that brings me to John Tortorella oh who said nothing yeah he had a 14 second press conference after the Blue Jackets got blown out

I don't even remember by who I don't even remember the score but yeah they got their asses kicked and he goes you know what I know you guys got a job to do but I don't want to talk after a game like that blah blah blah and some people gave him shit for it and I'm like okay what's he gonna say we sucked

they a they got destroyed so if you're writing about the game that's the story this oh here it is i'm not answering any questions tonight there's no sense of me even trying to answer questions about this evening okay so sorry about that have a good night i'm not answering questions tonight there's no sense of me even trying to answer questions about this evening okay so sorry about that have a good night okay so the story is they got destroyed i say the story is they got destroyed and that to go with that story is an excellent quote that's a great quote that's an excellent quote and also if you're john tortorella how many times have you gotten yourself into trouble right dude you have your own top 10 on god knows how many channels and what's amazing is that they

cut it off at 10 yeah so many more what I wonder veteran that's a mature John Tortorella move he could have stayed out that no a real mature thing to do would be to stay out there and answer the questions okay maturity is knowing your own weaknesses and he knows that he can't do that so he got up there said his thing for 14 seconds left I kind of commend him for that I if if the The MJs are being sold. Jesse disagrees. No, you hate this. You hate this.

Well, his team is a good team. It's the middle of December. It's one game. Why can't he answer a couple questions? That's probably why. It is a little silly, but I look at it. It's a very simple story. They got their asses kicked.

He gave an excellent quote. And then he probably went to bed that night, got up the next morning, and was interviewed again and probably gave better answers. So, I mean, if you cover the team Isn't that what you want? No, what you really want is for John Tortorella To lose his temper Yeah, at that press conference

But he doesn't want to do that It's not his job to give you that You gotta earn it I think his job is to talk to the media And he didn't do that A veteran reporter should have gone Why'd you stink tonight, John? And that would have goaded him into maybe doing something

But they didn't do it Well, anyway, back to the Jays for a quick second I think it's very interesting that they're not rebuilding. This is the time. Josh Donaldson is 32? I believe when the season will start, he'll be 32.

32, and on the last year of his deal, and is going to want a big, fat contract after this season. No, he's 32 right now. December 8th, so a couple days ago, he turned 32. So, like, listen, Josh Donaldson's great,

but how long can Josh Donaldson sustain that? Maybe two, three years? Four more years? And then you give him an eight-year deal? Like, this is the problem. and Mark Shapiro saying that I thought was very telling

and John Tortorella not saying that I think was better if Mark Shapiro had said nothing it might have been better and I've interviewed Mark Shapiro

he's not a he's not a phony man the guy's pretty honest oh no maybe he's just really good at being a phony and he fooled you

he might have fooled me but I sat in the Jays dugout and interviewed the guy for a five minute segment he was great I just figured

something out what? oh no I really hope we don't sell the Jays I won't be getting a flex pack this summer. Why?

Well, I just realized the Blue Jays are the Vancouver Canucks. They might be. Boy, that makes me sad. But, you know... Well, they had a good run. Listen...

They got real close. They will be... It's going to be RIT in 20 years. Here's what I would do. Holy shit. Rebuild now because the Yankees are going to just

destroy the division. Like, yeah. Just take five years. Hibernate for five years. Let the Yankees have it for a bit because they're... The only time the Jays

have made the playoffs in the last 20 years is when the Yankees have been bad. Still love Bill Burr's rants about, oh, what a story. Just a bunch of knock-around guys. Hang in there, Pittsburgh. Hang in there.

Like, do you... Every year that the Yankees don't win, they should be embarrassed. Every year... I think they are. Yeah, when you lose, it's failure. If you don't win the World Series two years, and then in the third year you win, that means you're negative one. You stink.

They should win every single year Bar none I don't know how they don't By the way, Jeff Merrick and Elliot Friedman Will be podcasting Holy smokes, that'll be a good show Well, we had a good run We had a good run

This is our last episode I know, I'm not competing with them I am going to listen to that instead of recording this Agreed That'll be a great show Yeah That'll be a great show Adam is already tweeting instead of talking

about this podcast. Adam, don't tweet. I just said, wow, that will be a fantastic show. Anyway, let's do the press conference, shall we? The Presser SDP. The Steve Dinkins Conference. What would you rather have? This is from LeafsFan96.

It's not. It's opposite of nice. That's E-I-E. No, that's not. Ooh. No. What's nice? I feel like you just let me off the hook.

What's nice backwards? No. No. Oh, okay. Nope. LeafsFan96 says. Eason Thank you

I just wanted to get that Would you rather have Nylander play defense Or have Polak play wing Nylander play defense I actually think he'd be okay at it Polak play wing For the Oilers

Oh yeah also I feel like I've been too hard on the Oilers Of late I don't know That has nothing to do with the question You're right I'm sorry I just thought I would bring it up While I mentioned it

Tell me your thoughts Alright listen Tell me your thoughts On modern Christianity While you're at it I mean It's I could easily

Why talk about that Adam When I could easily Just talk about World War 2 I mean I could talk about World War 2 You could Uh Neil Ader on defense

You wanna know why I'll tell you why He's a better hockey player There you go Um This is T.O. Leafs fan 44 Not terribly complicated

But he's a better hockey player When do you think Borgman will get more than 13 minutes and 30 seconds a night on average. When you go to Shelter Bullock. Yeah, oh my god. Maybe as the season progresses, I feel like, didn't Matthews start, you know, even when he was playing good, at like 15, 16, 16 and a half minutes a game? And then Babcock steadily gave him more time?

If he trusts Borgman more, and I think he should. I've liked Borgman of late and again remember we got 50 games left we'll probably see Borgman in the 14-15 range which for a rookie defenseman in this league I don't think is so bad I don't think it's so bad he's a good player

and injuries might necessitate that too that is something I'm very interested in because has anyone been hurt this season have any of the Leafs defenders missed a game except for Carrick and Polak? Good question.

I don't think so. Who would even get called up? I don't know. Kind of exciting though, isn't it? Well, you have an extra man, so you don't need to call up anybody right now. Extra mans. Oh yeah, Carrick, I guess you're right. But man, I mean, we haven't even talked about that. That's a good point. Who would be the guy?

If someone gets hurt on the right side, especially, who gets called up? Is it Justin Hall? Because he's a righty shot? Is it Valiev because he's played there? Is it Logan? I can't remember the veteran guy. Leverdi? Could be Lilligren?

Lilligren? I doubt it. Someone gets hurt on the left. Do you give Dermot a call? Do you give Ghostbusters a call? Martin Marincin, how did it take me like eight names to get to the guy who was on the Leafs last year? That's the guy I don't call

because then I have to put him through waivers to put him back. I'm just throwing that out there. Anyway, interesting. Interesting. If you were inventing the game of hockey tomorrow, Oh no Would you include The offside rule

No Why do you guys Okay That was a great question What do you guys make us think Like at this point of the show I'm fried I know

You're right But okay The offside rule Hell yeah I would You would have the offside rule Yeah Cause then you're gonna have a guy Fucking sitting up

200 150 feet of a 200 foot ice thing Just sitting there Waiting for fucking passes That's not true That's not how basketball works Yeah Nobody sits at the other end

These guys are professionals They're too good For that to happen Yeah like You can't be playing five on four in the offensive zone. That's the number one response is, oh, you'll just have a guy there. It's still five on five. It's still an equal number of players.

If there's a guy, guard him. That's your job. You have two defenders. I think that's your job. I'm a purist. No way. Get rid of it. I like offside.

Get rid of it. Start by getting rid of it for three on three overtime. You know what the problem is? I'm going to get old on you guys. We got a game of, we got a generation of people playing NHL threes who are like, wow, a game would be so much better. A generation, you mean three months the game went out. I know, I know. That's why I'm saying it.

But I'm being, I'm being, I'm being obtuse for a reason. You know, it's fair. I was playing threes and I think I'm the king. And then I played Jesse at regular hockey and I'm like, this is bullshit. Yeah. And Jesse puts it on the part where you can't corner his heart. Jesse puts it on, literally, he just, he typed in unfun. What's the version called?

It's like... It's Hardcore Sim. Oh, it's Hardcore Sim. Awful. And he's fucking good at it. So, yeah, your game style is set to full simulation, and then the opponent's set to superstar. So it's Hardcore Sim.

Anyway. Anyways, so you would eliminate offside? I think it'd be a lot more interesting. I think so. Yeah. It's... Hey, here's one from Steve D. How do you think

A league like the 3HL Is going to do Have you heard of this Is that happening Yeah it's just 3 on 3 And it's I think it's pro

I don't know if they get much And I think there's some Former NHLers in it I want to say Luca Caputi Gimmicky Or something like It's

Yeah Of course But That was arena football But that's very successful Is it Yes No kidding

Chugging along Didn't know that Chugging along Making money Yeah they must be Making money right Yeah Summer

It's super gimmicky But do you think It could be successful I don't know if hockey Is big enough That a gimmick Within hockey Works

Yeah Good point Because you can Scale a football right You can Exactly Like rugby sevens You can't do

Hockey threes Yeah It's just not big enough I don't know If there's enough People in America Who will care Or enough people in Canada

Well in Canada I don't know Maybe it's It can be a local thing But I don't know If you scale it like I'm sad like football

Canada's I mean Canada also flirts with oversaturation of hockey oh yeah there's not enough of us for the there's so many hockey teams

yeah in Ontario it's nuts yeah it's nuts you could turn to your left and you know

just be texting someone and accidentally bump into a hockey game but it's say the same to to baseball in the states or football in the states right

yeah I don't know but you can't rent a sheet of ice in Toronto for less than $500. It's insane. And it'll be at 3 a.m.

because all the other times during waking hours are booked by clubs. Why I don't play rec league hockey. Yeah. Because I can't go to the times that they want and I don't know how people live and play rec hockey. Hey, so I play on Sundays at midnight. Yeah, no.

Pay $200. How about no? That would be a big old fat no for me. The last thing I want. Tweet us if you do that. Oh, no. They all do. The last thing I want is some jackass, some Tommy Tryhard who takes it too seriously

and never airs out his fucking equipment to jam his elbow in my neck at midnight on a Sunday. That's just not a good time for me. And you can't do your job the next day. You've got to take a day off work. Tommy Tryhard's like, I don't give a shit. I hate my job anyway. I'm going to try too hard and I'm going to be way too intense about this. I'm going to take out Adam Wilde at the knees.

That was so funny. So I started playing my first game at that charity hockey tournament without, I didn't have a visor or cage or anything. And it's funny, I feel like most places they wouldn't even bat an eye, but like I'm on a team with like Brendan Dunlop and Ken Reed and like all these media folks. And they're like, dude, you're not playing with a cage? You're nuts. And I go, no, no, I didn't have one.

And they go, but, but the face, the face, man. Protect the moneymaker, man. After that game, I went and got a cage. and mouth guard always have a mouth guard didn't have one if you fall on your chin without a mouth guard

trust me as someone who's done it not only could you chip teeth but it hurts like a motherfucker and concussions and don't Mitch Marner your don't Mitch Marner it keep it in your mouth

well I was I figure right yeah or JVR I figure I would be okay because I feel like I couldn't move around enough

to actually hurt myself I was the freshest guy on our bench because I couldn't move couldn't get off of it yeah I fell down I fell down twice on my first shift

and then I fell down on the bench too I suck it was fun for someone who never played before you're gonna fall I want a face off I want three

as someone who's never played before of course you track that you bet I remember every successful thing I pulled off that day I had like one good pass Three face-off wins And a block shot

By the way, the Elliot Friedman Jeff Merrick podcast Will be called 31 Thoughts the Podcast Holy Mother of God, what a great idea I have some furious texts to send That's amazing I have some Do you think they'll come on our show and promote their show?

I hope they do They should just come on and do it Yeah, well our show is basically their show On Tuesdays, I'm like Oh, I'm gonna pull some prep from 31 thoughts. This is so annoying. That is that what the fuck guys May or may not have pitched this idea It doesn't matter. I'm glad they did it. So you put this evil on us, huh? No, I think no I think because they they were being very secretive. So I think they were already thinking it. Hmm. I certainly didn't

yeah well you know the one thing god that's a good podcast man the one thing they don't have is Jim Diamond

they don't have Jim Diamond do they it'll get you I want the 30 second thought to be it'll get you

I'm never listening to us again me neither I never did anyway hey thanks for listening

Marley's game look out for us on Twitter if you entered the contest are we skating on the ice no

after the game no No, we're not. That'll be next time, which we got another game coming with the Marlies, so look out for that in the spring. What else aren't we doing, Jesse? We're not. Here's a list of the things you don't get.

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