The Steve Dangle Podcast - Beauties & The Beast | December 5, 2025

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Starting point is 00:03:25 be certain ford.ca slash f-150 to build yours now again it's ford.ca slash f-150 the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake let's go we're gonna start today's show with a guessing game a guessing game yes yes what are we guessing well it's um it's episode number 99 for agent provocateur oh wow episode 99 which is cool now uh i want to know because remember the last time we did this i was like hey steve uh take a wild guess wild swing in the dark about who's going to be on the show and it was rad for living right yes which is cool rad trip living yes yes uh and that was when that was before things went sideways for the leafs i don't think he would have done that interview

Starting point is 00:04:23 even two weeks later but he did it got it now yeah impeccable timing yeah it was beautiful it was beautiful and brad was great uh alan was in studio the other week and obviously we got episode 99 and then we're going to do a big all questions episode for 100 to celebrate you know 100 episodes five years of agent provocateur that sort of thing lovely now yes who do you think we would bring on for because in hockey 100 isn't the number 99 is right it's a goat number did you get wayne don't know don't rage bait steve no we're not getting wayne gretzky but it's a goat number so we gotta have a cash patel we got cash patel oh my god oh i'm doing that we got cash patel's girlfriend actually no um uh fletcher no no that would be

Starting point is 00:05:15 cool not but you're on the right track oh now now look at my face it's it's right here on my face if you look at my handsome you're clean shaven did you get lou who what who yo did you get lou lamorello we'll be joining agent provocateur we haven't recorded it yet it'll be this afternoon but lou lamorello sir that's nuts isn't that nuts i don't even know what to say to lou lamorello sir yeah i'm going to be calling him mr lamorello jesse i think that's the that's the definitely yeah yeah uh and i did shave this morning because i was i was about to like get ready to leave and i was like no you need to shave like you can't there's no way that your first impression of lou lamorello is going to be with facial hair no way alan like he'd be like alan who's this

Starting point is 00:06:07 vagabond that you brought on board to oh my god it's crazy huh lou lamorello no lou lamorello wow yeah what a get i know and i and he and alan obviously go way back did a lot of deals together in new jersey specifically you think about like guys like bobby holique and that sort of thing going way back and uh and so we're kind of pumped to have him on what if this is the one what like where he gives nothing to anybody but he goes all right here it is and he just lays it all out tells you the craziest stories here's all the trades that could have happened here's he he raps actually rap has a freestyle and clarence parents had a good marriage a diss track that he wrote about kyle dubas in 2018 like i i need it to happen i need him to drop all of it one

Starting point is 00:06:59 thing i am gonna ask you to bring up is the time he was the president of the new jersey nets the basketball team yes i don't think a lot of people know that he ran the nets at one point in the early 2000s i would love if you could ask him about i will ask him about thank you i also i am going to ask him about the facial hair thing because i think that is a very prominent quirk of wherever he's managed and i'd love to know his philosophy on why why do you want people clean shaving why does that matter what do you think it brings to a team the yankees do it and by the way the yankees just reinstituted their facial hair policy they got rid of it for a couple years and then they put out a statement saying hey we talked to former pros who are like

Starting point is 00:07:39 no that's part of being a yankee is not having any facial hair and you got to do it damn the blue jays bullied them into shaving yeah that's crazy that's crazy i just thought that would be a fun way to start the show that absolutely is uh wow a like really good baseball player in his day i believe lou yeah yes he played in like a pretty high level of baseball and a crazy good college coach too like college hockey coach like underrated people don't talk about it but brian burke played for him uh so it's kind of neat like there's this guy's alan has this i think alan probably knows more about him than most people i've ever met in hockey and there's some stories I think Allen would love to have Lutel that are outside of sports that are like, what did you do

Starting point is 00:08:22 even before you were playing like baseball? What was your first job? Like stuff like that. You should get Lou Lamorello for an hour and only ask him about obscure Allen clients. Not even the big name ones, like really, really obscure. So when you stole Bobby Holick, well, he's not obscure. No, you got to go several tiers below. I like that. I like that. so there was an ahl contract you signed in 1998 stuff like that he'd remember if you listening or watching this right now are like hey how can i hear this you'll be able to hear it sunday at 6 p.m eastern on the youtube channel or subscribe to the agent provocateur podcast on spotify or

Starting point is 00:08:57 apple or wherever you get your podcasts uh look for out for it then sunday afternoon or listen to on your drive monday morning yay however you want absolutely now in the meantime um do you guys want to start leafs should we start leafs today like i figured you know we can we can talk about a lot of things do we want to start leafs is that important to you do you have anything else that you're like that's a bigger story than the toronto maple leafs winning a game last night and elevating themselves further out of the basement the toronto maple backs because they're so bad four and one in their last five oh whoa watch out chugga chugga here comes the choo-choo train so the eastern playoff picture is so stupid because i looked at like how far back

Starting point is 00:09:40 of a wild card spot they are and the answer is four points yeah i was barking up the wrong tree because they're actually two points out of third in the atlantic oh yeah the canadians who they play on saturday they're right behind uh the sends in the standings and i was like when did the Sens get down here because they've been in a playoff spot for most of the season this week I I think I said to you on this show they were the only team in the playoff spot in Canada right and but they got leapfrogged by I guess it was Montreal Montreal um because the Atlantic stinks yeah you ask when it's like yesterday because they lost one game that's like that's that's how big the disparity is in the in the how little the disparity is in the

Starting point is 00:10:26 standings right now you lose one game and all of a sudden you've dropped like eight spots it's how big the parody is yes how big the parody is yeah they lost what was it who'd they lose to last night they got demolished um the sense yeah edmonton was that what they didn't play edmonton and they as i forget didn't they not beat up on the uh the canadians too like like a day before or two days ago oh it was the rangers game oh or two yesterday they lost to the rangers and like that one loss because they they lose yesterday and like a couple other teams win on

Starting point is 00:10:56 Wednesday day before they move all the way down the standing it's so so so tight which is part of like why I've been so anxious this season I'm like oh my god you need to have literally a hot week which the Leafs have arguably had

Starting point is 00:11:12 arguably I think they're four and one I think that's fair yeah and they're right there yep there you are oh no we're right there yeah tampa sits in first in the atlantic justin you can throw that up uh because they're seven and three in their last 10 but they've lost their last two games but being seven and three in their last 10 gets you first place in the atlantic because if you just like you said go on a mediocre week it's good because every single team you look down their last 10 is like five and five four four and two five four and one everybody is just so even so

Starting point is 00:11:46 it's it's gross the two wild card teams have 33 points each the division leaders have 36 in washington and what does tampa have uh tampa has 34.34 yeah oh my god okay have two hot weeks can we make it two hot weeks wow you know i easily the funniest outcome is the leafs are top of the atlantic by christmas i it would be hilarious it and then going back and looking at all the clips of us crashing out but by the way i still will stand behind those clips of us crashing i i also will a million percent and like i don't know they could also lose the next yeah there are three points out of last yes it's buffalo's got 26 they got 29 this is gary's dream man this is this is gary betman's dream he he wanted a season like this and i think he's finally got it where every

Starting point is 00:12:38 team is a contender yeah every team is a bum so i think every game is must watch our conversation yesterday i think was like we hit it at the perfect time because they need to fix the way these wins are doled out and teams who are winning in regulation as opposed to a coin flip shootout skills competition need to be rewarded yes and do we get these ridiculous standings where teams can have like they're way below 500 if you count the otls and the actual l's but they're right there for a lead in the division and it shouldn't be that case so i don't know yesterday or wednesday's conversation i think was the perfect time to have that because these standings are too goofy well you know the thing about it is that and and this is what i always go back to

Starting point is 00:13:21 is when you have a point system like this you're essentially making everybody mid i don't watch sports for mid i watch to see who's the greatest and the playoffs are a great determiner of that But I think one of the reasons that we don't value the President's Trophy is, well, A, because it never translates in the playoffs. B, because the regular season, it's like we've just never put that much importance into it. And what they're trying to do with this point system is make it matter in March, right? Make more teams matter in March. And I think what would make it matter in March, honestly, if you're a real league and you've got national attention, is having great teams chasing a regular season trophy that matters. And, you know, you could always do a minor tournament or something in March, too, right? Like, you know how the NBA does their in-season tournament? You could do it in March if you wanted. That's a cultural thing.

Starting point is 00:14:15 Like, you can't tell people to just start caring about the President's Trophy. no i know but you can brand it you can you can sell it it's still not gonna work when the playoffs exist like nothing's gonna trump the stanley cup little way to jay-z went around the world telling people they were the greatest rappers alive concurrently at the same time and you would have found people who were like yep if you repeat something enough people will parent it i don't think no matter how many times you say the president's trophy is important the stanley cup will always be more important and i don't think it's ever going to come close that's okay But Mia, be a more important silver medal.

Starting point is 00:14:53 There's 110 years of history you're battling with, and there's no way, unless you have another 110 years of revolutionizing the President's Trophy, that you can compete with the Stanley Cup and what it means. It's easier, in my opinion, to make the NBA's in-season tournament matter

Starting point is 00:15:10 than the President's Trophy. Because I think it's easier to take a brand new thing that never existed and from scratch go, wait till you get a load of this yeah whereas the president's trophy's been around for how many decades and one day we're all just gonna magically be like this is great yeah and everyone's gonna be like no it isn't and one thing i always i always do when i'm picking out my bracket there for the playoffs which i always do horribly on um but i don't do horribly on this part when the team who's first in the league i'm like that team could get upset and i don't want to put them to go far

Starting point is 00:15:44 because the president's trophy winner never does well in the playoffs it's been so consistent year after year since like the blackhawks did it um they won the trophy but like most oftentimes we see the florida panthers who set the all-time wins record or the boston bruins who set the all-time wins record go out in the first round no it was tampa i'm sorry tampa yeah yeah tampa and then boston like or florida wins the president's trophy that year and then they no boston won the oh yes florida won the president's trophy and they got eliminated and then they brought in paul maurice did they not yes yes yeah you guys they did it too it's like i'm listing the president's trophies losers in the first round of the playoffs and you're like no it's the other one i'm like yes

Starting point is 00:16:24 it's that one also that one like why they all suck i have i i got a brand new blue jays hat and it's from when they won the american league and it says world series in big letters and no one looks at you weird for wearing that nobody looks at you weird for wearing that but if you wore president's trophy champions merch everyone would be like what a freaking loser it'd be it'd be like my uh my uh leafs 2021 north division shirt oh yeah i don't think i even i don't know if i even wore that before it went in the donation let the people know you got it for free oh i got it for free and so did the next guy if you paid canadian currency for that shirt everybody should laugh at you forever oh yeah they can laugh at you forever for other reasons yeah but not that one hey would

Starting point is 00:17:15 you like to commemorate arguably the most humiliating playoff defeat in in a long line of them like what's more humiliating 20 no they've won three straight we're not doing this no and in four straight games they have scored on the very first shot of the game that's right the Toronto Maple Leafs have scored on the very first shot of the game four games in a row, which is bizarre. With Bobby McMahon's, this is from Leafs PR, with Bobby McMahon's goal at 53 seconds of the first period, the Maple Leafs become the second team since 2009-2010

Starting point is 00:17:48 to score on their first shot in four consecutive games, joining the Tampa Bay Lightning, who did it from November 20th to November 26th in 2021. I thought that was such a weird measurement of time. Yeah, why 0-9-10? well yeah the the first team since this team that did it four years ago and also the measurement of time is 15 years ago i didn't get it well i don't i don't know why they went with that either but it's neat just say it's or just tell me it's like how many teams have done this ever

Starting point is 00:18:17 that i would love to know they might not know the answer because i think there was a time where they didn't count shots ah okay yeah all right well uh that's where you need to employ people to go back and shot count the games that were on TV. I would love that. Yeah, it would be great. And, you know, and it being Bobby McMahon, I think is really, really important because the Toronto Maple Leafs

Starting point is 00:18:40 are getting goals from their depth and specifically from their third line. Bobby McMahon had two. I know one of them was an empty netter, but a goal is a goal. And this... Oh, he did have two, you're right. This third line for the Toronto Maple Leafs

Starting point is 00:18:53 has been, since they've been put together, you know, five games ago, scoring the lights up. but oh my god it's oh scott lawton the straw that stirs the drink apparently yeah he's not even on that line yeah he just makes it work uh for some reason i'd love a deep dive on that but you're getting the best version of all three players on that line at a time where like right now they're again they're four and one in their last five but they're not playing perfect hockey like the line that's carried them all season is line two and they've been invisible um so you

Starting point is 00:19:34 need these performances like you you go and look at the best teams in the league you know some of them are you know they have stars that are just crazy op like nathan mckinnon and kale mccarr and leon dry sidle and connor mcdavid but most other teams you know looking at the panthers any given night you get solid performances all around but it's this line that took over right it can be aj greer's turn to get two goals yeah thomas the thomas nosek game you know or the third line flipping the series on its head um this is great like it's it's a line you can be pretty trusting of defensively they're big but not stupid they're big but not slow um they have scoring ability they'll make life difficult for you what's not to like seriously i love them and

Starting point is 00:20:30 uh and what i what i'm curious about i wanted to drill down on is you said it's the three these three players bringing out the best in each other what is dakota joshua at his best why at his best mcmahon at his best uh josh well joshua and wah in particular net front but bobby can do it too it's just typically if there's a loose puck you would prefer bobby to get it i think um and if there's one on the other side of the ice wah probably gets it and joshua is maybe the strongest in front i guess they could kind of rotate joshua and wah they've been a tandem all season long and have had good seasons all season long they just haven't been together um all of the time mcmahon's got to use his speed but he has to win puck battles it's not enough to just be first

Starting point is 00:21:20 on it um and like that goal is a lucky one like it hit the post hit the goalie in the bum and then went in but you need those and i thought uh carolina defensively was really shaky in this one but this is how the Craig Berube Leafs need to beat a team like the Hurricanes who are probably going to out-skate you a little bit, are probably going to have a little bit more of the puck. You got to bully them. And they got underneath them. They shoved them.

Starting point is 00:21:51 They didn't really have much of an answer. Obviously, they out-shot the Leafs, but once the Leafs got into some sort of scoring position, there wasn't really much they could do. jesse you're you know we're about to face down a five game home streak so you're gonna be you're gonna be at the arena a lot home stand yeah home stand and uh one of the guys i am curious about steve mentioned him is scott lawton and what he is like to chat to because the the thing in philadelphia was this guy's great he's all locker room also he's useful on the ice clearly but what

Starting point is 00:22:31 do you think he brings to this lineup on the ice first and then i guess off the ice second that has made him such a factor because since he's been back it's been so unbelievably noticeable on the pk he's got a couple goals in a couple games like this is a guy that really seems to uh galvanize the team yeah craig burberry loves him he uses him like a utility knife anywhere he he needs a guy to step up and step in and do something he likes throwing lawton out there And we saw it last night where he's up on the second line for a little bit and then back down to where he should be. And like you said, the PK has been so important. They've looked really good.

Starting point is 00:23:09 And Lawton's been the entire reason that's been the case since he's been back. And it's weird how important Lawton is to this lineup. I think it isn't good that he's so important. You don't want so much. I mean, they did spend a first-round pick on him. But you don't want so much of your core resting on Lawton. But since he's here and he's doing good, that's good. so there's nothing to complain about in that sense and then off the ice the stuff everybody

Starting point is 00:23:34 loves them like all you hear from from the other guys is how funny is which doesn't really come across in the little scrums because like they're it's media they're media trades and all that stuff but occasionally you see them joking around did we play the clip with mark masters we met and we mentioned it last last episode right like those little things come out every now and again but the guys always talk like he's one of the funny ones on the plane or in the locker room and that sort of stuff so they love them and craig brube loves using them everywhere i liked uh his interview when he was asked about uh going at it with malkin in the penguins game because i don't know i kind of like he just got here obviously he had an nhl career before this but i was like

Starting point is 00:24:14 oh yeah he was a flyer of course he hates malkin yeah and of course malkin hates him that's the rivalry yeah i like i like completely forgot about that factor because when they went at each other i was like where the hell did that come from like the kind of the blind side hit and then ah no i i love him uh i know fans have been fans have been resentful of the cost and i understand that but what i didn't love is when fans were resentful of the cost and they were talking about how bad of a trade it was when the guy hasn't played i just don't think that's fair and now that he's playing please give him a shot yeah you know in terms of like the fan base getting on his side yes yeah like like i don't know cheer for the guy for god's sake what what

Starting point is 00:25:08 we don't need and i gotta highlight this just because lee fans took such a beating this summer what did freddie ever do to the fans in carolina well he hasn't been good no i know but like i haven't seen it that that was loud it was the bronx cheer for nearly every save he made and at several points i want to say second and third period the hurricanes were just getting booed i know they were having a bad game and i know freddie's been bad they're second in the metro yeah but you have two goalies on your roster who are better than him and you're trying to tell your head coach we don't want to see this guy in our net anymore right so why are we playing him let's do the thing we do as fans and yell in the

Starting point is 00:25:51 stadium. I think the reaction was totally fair. He's the third best goalie out of their trio. It's fair and you're right but some fans are monsters when they do it and others are just expressing valid opinions. I'm

Starting point is 00:26:07 always on the side of if you're a fan and you want to boo, if your team's bad you can do that. I agree with you, man. I totally agree. You've got to have uh carolina hurricanes fans are passionate yeah they care you know what that that says to me is though that's a building of smart hockey fans you know earlier this year when the leafs had a pk and matthews made like a really great play on the pk and he got a round of applause because

Starting point is 00:26:34 everyone's just happy and they're like oh this is awesome those are smart hockey fans and when you see a goalie make a save on the second start of the game and you start bronx cheering i'm like Those Carolina fans know puck. They know what they're doing. Consider this. Maybe no one's ever going to sign there ever again. Yeah, now Seth Jarvis is going to leave. Man, they're so mean to Freddie.

Starting point is 00:26:53 That's why he's bad. It can't be the fact that he's playing bad. Exactly. You know, what came first? The toxic fans or the goalie laying an egg? You know? You know? No, they're the reason he's bad.

Starting point is 00:27:04 You're right. Do you see how stupid this sounds when we apply it to others? If he was playing well, they would be cheering him. And if not, so they're like, get him out of the net. Play Bussy more. that's actually crazy yeah damn yeah but you were you were that you were asking you're like your original point was why are they getting on it no i know i i was i was just surprised but i don't know uh you like freddie you have a soft spot in your heart for him

Starting point is 00:27:27 kind of it it depends which year of freddie we're talking about which which time of year the end well the end was tough the end of freddie anderson in toronto was tough and uh there was a time where hurricanes fans were like because he was so good there yeah um it's it just surprised me right and he's coming to the end like he's 36 his contract's going to be expiring at the end of this year hard 36 yeah who knows how much time he's got left this is kind of the end part of the athlete's career and we'll usher him off into the sunset yeah until he goes to edmonton and wins a cup of course of course now adam was talking about a lot oh yeah it's just he just i i've been singing his praises since he came back the guy rocks and i uh you know i do

Starting point is 00:28:20 think the leafs need good dressing room guys but you know it's funny the the the type of dressing room guy he is i feel like just sort of he's able to kind of come in and he doesn't have to be the biggest personality but he just kind of he's like um it's like you know uh he just kind of grows in and all of a sudden you don't realize it, but he's like one of the big personalities in the dressing room and it just happened by accident. He's the captain of the fourth line.

Starting point is 00:28:45 Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? And the fourth line has been working, right? Yeah. Lawrence Robertson and Lott. Now, I've never seen Robertson this happy. No, he looks great. He looks like he's having the time of his life.

Starting point is 00:28:57 And, you know, he can play a little bit of his game. Now, in terms of like, one of the things we've never been able to say, I think, this season is that the top line and and berube said it so i feel like i'm okay to say this carried the toronto maple leafs last night in a big way especially through the second period which has been their achilles heel carried sebastian ajo too literally oh my god guys i want to bring this goal up jesse if we can sure this matthew nye's goal if you guys miss this oh i can just

Starting point is 00:29:27 imagine this being on rockham soccer from don cherry like you know what i mean you know christmas open up the vhs and whatever this would be one of the highlighted moments on on rockham sockham for sure and the reason for that is it's all like he does not give up and we keep talking about power forward options around the league there's like tom wilson i think matthew olivier is in that but he's like a lower threshold um because he's powerful but he's not gonna do these kinds of plays there's there's more than there used to be like who else would you put in that category like i tage a little bit kind of he's a little bit different um oh man i had a name i had a name where did it go well think about it yeah i can get to the goal here yeah the point is oh brady

Starting point is 00:30:17 brady kachuk oh yeah absolutely yeah and listen i'm not saying matthew uh nize is brady kachuk I'm saying he's better. No, I'm kidding. I'm saying that this goal is effort. So he is able to tip the puck around Shane Goss' spare, who's not known for his incredible defense, but he does play a very important role for the Canes. And Nyes is able to get past him.

Starting point is 00:30:42 Aho is back, and Aho's not slow. Nyes falls on one knee, gets back up, drives Aho to the side, gets in front of him and beats freddie on the backhand like this goal and by the way the canes road shooting the leafs uh by double at this point this school is yeah those fluffy shots oh well and also shots they had get out of here had not had a power play at this point in the game no i i'll say this i don't think the carolina hurricanes did a single thing wrong in this play like okay goss despair got beat at the blue line well what happened was a fluke play where he loses his stick then what he does is he stays with nize and he knocks nize to his knees the only way that

Starting point is 00:31:25 he can yeah which slows him down enough for the next guy who is an all-world player and he gets thrown like a ragdoll yeah get out of my way you'd like freddy to stop this yeah you yeah yeah you need to save there you need to i don't know i think uh like that backhand sneaky though i will give freddie that yeah totally backhand totally sometimes a good goal is a good goal like the first one i understand fans frustration the second one is the hockey gods hate you a little bit this one's a great player doing great player shit yeah and then matthew's one t like i don't know i think max freddie maybe should have had a couple of them but max max max like half the goal yeah man yeah half the goals listen i'm being nice here i'm really trying man it looked like freddie

Starting point is 00:32:22 anderson going into a game three against boston wait no game three he was sick oh game four then he was mr game three ah okay you go back and look he was mr game three it was uh yeah after that sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things One of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to rappel down and clean all the windows, but they never clean my windows. Uh-oh. And their way around on that is like, well, it's a patio window. You can do that yourself.

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Starting point is 00:34:25 Because the narrative that I'm hearing out of the Toronto media, who is terrified, is that Joseph Wall is out again. Yeah. the sky is falling because the Leafs have no healthy goaltenders in terms of their starters that have come into the season. Stollers and Wohl have not played a single game this season together. So now you're going to have Hildeby who has nine career starts and Akhtamov who has zero career starts as your two-star goal. I'm sorry, Akhtamov, sir?

Starting point is 00:34:57 Akhtamov, whichever way you want to say it. I am ready to fight to the death over that. Yeah, whatever Gordon Miller tells us on the broadcast, that's what we're going to go with. those are your two starting goaltenders and it looks like it's going to be till at least the new year who knows about joseph wall oh you you just pulled that number out of your bum i think i think it's safe to say a couple weeks now you give them off and then you get the little break in between the christmas i think you sound like steve daniel oh you're being a pessimist i'm

Starting point is 00:35:26 wondering why you are so positive about the situation because i believe in the beast that's why okay uh so i i sent it to you you don't have to put it up on the screen but uh myrtle uh tweeted this from moneypuck.com very small sample size james myrtle athletic yes jim slenderman um he loves that from he loves it from moneypuck.com uh top goalies in terms of goals saved above expected per 60 with a minimum of seven appearances Devin Cooley is number one Dennis Hildeby's freaking number two dude he's the second best goalie in the NHL by uh goal saved wait sorry goal save above expected per 60 it's a bit of a long stat the only pushback there is that it's different when you're coming in for spot starts he's had more relief appearances than he's had

Starting point is 00:36:23 starts this season he has one win when you are the everyday starter and adam said they're going on a five game homestand if he's got to start five out of five yeah i think that number is a little different it'll either be true if he's still up there it's like oh yeah that's the real number or it comes down and that's where it is in reality well and what i have to say one of the issues i've had jesse specifically for that reason is the is the the passing lanes and the way the leafs can see their their blue line and how easy it is to get cross ice passes going on in the Leafs defensive zone when Hildeby went in last night I

Starting point is 00:36:55 didn't see that and Carolina is a team known for that they're known for outside shots high volume where you down try to crack you right that's their that's the thing sort of like the Jays play baseball and I look at

Starting point is 00:37:08 I look at what they did with Hildeby last night they didn't give him much to have to work with now is that fair that five games of Toronto Maple Leaf hockey are gonna be like that I don't think so not against

Starting point is 00:37:18 Montreal Tampa San Jose Edmonton and Chicago all five of those teams have very very strong offenses but if the Leafs are able to you know like let's compare this Montreal Saturday night to two weeks ago when you know there was two goals in a couple of minutes and they snapped in half that was insane if you're able uh to have a scenario where let's say you can cut the high danger scoring chances that Montreal is going to get in half I feel like Hildeby is going to be able to handle that but they are going to have to pay particular attention to their defense now and it's been the defense that has driven a lot of what's happened

Starting point is 00:37:57 in the last five games right but it's going to have to be even more and you hoping and praying that no one else goes down too yeah i mean geez this season is just whoever has the most guys like it's league wide it's injuries everyone's going down any given night it's kind of been fun because any given night you're looking at the other team going i don't know these people I don't who the hell is that oh they just scored how leaves but uh Hildeby his game the last I'm gonna say like three games ish uh just because those are the most fresh reminds me a bit of Stoller's last year where he's making impressive saves they're good but they're not like jaw dropping that you know the team abandoned him that's a goal if any other

Starting point is 00:38:51 freak of nature is in net uh he's just been real solid and um um very positionally sound you couldn't say that last year last year he got himself in a position and this is the only way i know how to describe it where it looks like his equipment doesn't fit um i've said that about many goalies over the years garrett sparks i think was number one among them um when he was at his worst it looked like his equipment didn't fit binnington at his worst to talk about a goalie who's been around for a while and played a lot his equipment looks like it doesn't fit when he's playing like shit it's weirdest thing but hildeby has been very very sound like forget the goal save above expected is actual save percentage is 919 and you know i know starts are a different

Starting point is 00:39:48 beast but um as far as third goalies go uh you look around the nhl you can do a lot worse than beast jonah siegel after the game wrote about the wall injury in the athletic and he had this update which is the best we're going to get out of the leafs today's an off day so we're getting nothing today and then we'll see what they want to say at morning skate on saturday but he said that the 27 year old was accompanied by todd bean the maple leafs massage therapist an osteopathic practitioner which suggests he was headed for treatment on the injury that knocked him out of thursday's game perhaps a soft tissue injury like the groin tightness that kept him out for three weeks last fall so that was when wool was leaving the arena or leaving the dressing room area with

Starting point is 00:40:35 todd bean i mean so there's a guess it didn't look he when did he get hurt i know he finished the period and he didn't come out yes he was shaking his leg here i think yeah he had a save here in the middle of the second late to end second where he's shaking his leg yeah like i don't know he's not getting like helped off the ice or anything like i don't know if he i think we're talking like you said i i think worst case scenario like christmas and he comes back after christmas in and around christmas probably there's some important games between now and christmas total oh yeah yeah absolutely and like that's sneaking up it's december 5th like we're talking 10 games ish and we're already in the new year yeah like it's not far but you know you're dennis

Starting point is 00:41:24 this is the gig um get in there make saves the unexpected gig though yeah yeah you have two starting goaltenders yes yes now the ahl starters you're number one it's a little more expected for this team though isn't it like like they have stolers and wool who are both we know two things about those guys um they're going to stop the puck i don't know if they're going to be at work tomorrow and i think that's the larger conversation at a certain two goaltenders that the leafs have decided to lock up when a few people have floated it kip rios i think was most recent in the toronto star like uh and jesse i think you threw it into one of our group chats yesterday you know do you trade a goalie to try to recoup some assets blah blah blah i don't think

Starting point is 00:42:10 dangle said that oh steve dangle said that i don't think this podcast i don't think you can't you got two goalies who haven't shown you that they can play over 40 games in a season um and until such time as i get that a couple years in a row i'm hanging on to all three of them uh just not possible you can't do it and that's it's a shame but that is sort of where we're at unless you know that aktyomov is ready to go yeah i think they need to give him more time there's no way to know until you see him um so there might be a game or two where he plays here you go let's see what we got you know kind of like they did with hill to be last year and the answer was oh no he's not even kind of ready he's stepped into the net this year and we went

Starting point is 00:42:55 oh shit do you think your living sat there was like whoa oh hey hey hey like the family guy impression of robin williams yeah but like here's let's let's go glass half full here what if Hildeby is downright adequate yeah and he does a good job and then all of a sudden you have three perfectly worthy goalies and you have the enviable option of doing nothing or one thing you could try in the offseason you know some people are like well what if you moved off of Hildeby I think we even talked about it let me let me pitch something insane to you what if you move one of the other guys i and i think you can get more at this point if you were to move off of wool or stallers because there's proven talent there and with hildeby it's still magic

Starting point is 00:43:50 beans in that he's started nine career games and there's cost control because i think hildeby has one more year at like it's a really manageable number it's like 800 something yeah but then after that like let's say he turns let's let's say it's best case scenario and he's just as good as those guys uh because of the cap going up you could be looking at like a philip gustafson type contract where he's making over five now this is glass half full so you're like whoa you're giving hill to be all this money yes because in my fantasy land scenario he's great now yeah you know that that's the scenario we're playing out like i feel like that thought experiment is decent like what if hill to be as good you have assets now to go get something to help the rest of your team

Starting point is 00:44:35 And assets isn't something the Leafs have right now. They don't have the luxury of having first-round picks that they can move out. They don't have the luxury of having Minton anymore to move out. They don't have these guys that they can trade or Grebenkin. So they need something to materialize

Starting point is 00:44:51 so that they can help the rest of the roster and trade from your strengths to help your weaknesses. You know what you could probably find this offseason for pretty cheap is a third goalie. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So this is, this is the, if you had the Murdoch, if you had Matt Murray still, I would be more open to it. Right? Well, this, this is what teams try to have happen is they try to have their third goalie or backup goalie come up and challenge and maybe even push the other guy out.

Starting point is 00:45:24 But, like, you know, one situation I've been kind of thinking about this season as he sort of enters the Calder conversation with his four shutouts is Jesper Wallstatt. Phillip Gustafson's locked up, like, to starter money in Minnesota. So what do you do there? Hmm. Oh, wait a sec. You know what you do there in the meantime?

Starting point is 00:45:47 Have two elite goalies. Awesome problem to have. awesome problem and you will not have trouble if you need to move off of one going to a team the oilers and going would you like one of our really really really good goals there's there's like 30 teams who want good goalies like yeah it's it's a it's a great luxury and the leafs might just find their way into that situation through the injuries of wall installers these are the contracts by the way uh for the three goalies walls making 3.6 you can throw it up Walls making 3.6 for the next two seasons after this one.

Starting point is 00:46:21 Stallers making 3.7, that new 3.75, that new contract that kicks in. That's going to be four years starting next year. And then Hildeby is signed for 841 for the next two seasons after this. I did not know that. And then in 28-29 is still an RFA. So it's a little different than how you're outlining. He's very cost controlled and he makes no money. Bradley.

Starting point is 00:46:46 Yeah. That's a good one. he loves brad loves a long-term extension for a you know a benoit bobby mcmahon like love like marshall refies on a three-year contract yeah like loves those kinds of deals like uh um but it works out it's good glass half empty so he's he's no good and they don't win a ton um i've been yelling and screaming do something um when it comes to the offense or it comes to the defense i don't know that there's something to do here like if if your third goalie is inadequate and you have two multi-million dollar goalies ahead of him i think it's i think at some

Starting point is 00:47:31 point it does fall under the category of shit happens yeah and you're just like well we have two very good goalies they're both hurt and right now there's no reason to believe that hildeby can't handle this role here for a little bit while joseph wall if it's the strain there he gets that uh fixed so i feel like there's enough evidence here it's like hey we can trust he'll be you know go out there do your thing let's see if you sink or swim you know and the canes have been running three goalies for years it works for them yeah they had they decided to put ranta and and freddie anderson on the same team and expect them to play more than 20 games apiece i mean right it's sort of the least position it's a little bit of the forerunner to this yeah a little bit a little

Starting point is 00:48:13 bit and they had kachekov coming in right and he's now in utah but and they have bussy now coming in no kachekov's still there oh yeah it's kachekov bussy and uh anderson smith oh i don't even know yeah whatever those are three um nadelko i mean they've been cycle yeah yeah it's not quite the steve eiserman way of doing goaltending where you get 800 goalies in your organization all of them are shit and you play all of them at once plus talbot was an all-star how dare you like we're You're going to sign more goalies every day. You know, what I love about the segment we just had there is that I started it talking about Toronto's first line,

Starting point is 00:48:49 and we did not get to talk about Toronto's first line. We did. We talked about Matthew Nice. We talked about Matthew Nice. We did a whole thing on Matthew Nice. But the first line is what I wanted to hit, so I'd like to hit the other two. No, no, well, I do need to give flowers to two people in particular. Give it to me.

Starting point is 00:49:05 And that's the other two-thirds of that first line. Give it to me. Max Domi on the wing. yeah yeah finally like finally oh my god look at the look on matthew's face when he scores that goal he's happy to be playing with max um sometimes there's a fit like i don't know if that's a permanent first line player i don't but sometimes there's a fit and you have a guy who has many flaws to his game but gosh darn it he has offensive vision and he can find matthew stick like few other guys on the team and matthews can still rip that damn thing i think they might make

Starting point is 00:49:49 beautiful music together they have made beautiful music together yeah i've done this in the past we need it now well yeah and what i'm saying is there's proof of concept here right which is why it was we need to put more back on that freaking guys together oh my god and uh now they have yeah okay all right all right i'm i'm i want to say too it's been nice to see like matthews before the injury versus matthews after the injury has been different i i don't think he was this good before the injury we i kept watching him going what the hell's wrong like you're not taking over space you're not and maybe it's partially the line mates that you're playing with yeah but i didn't feel like i didn't feel like they were deployment part of it too with getting a lot of

Starting point is 00:50:30 defensive zone starts i'm seeing like you're noticing him again you're noticing him and you're feeling like okay this guy's truly in control when he's out he's a factor his uh sniffs per 60 have skyrocketed i like that like i don't know if the goals are i mean like he's he is scoring more but the sniffs per 60 are crazy he's on a four game point streak you know we're here to talk about uh sky scanner a little bit with rob adcock now rob you are for people people in North America that, that don't know, how would you describe yourself? You are a content creator, but you're well-known. Well, this is, it's interesting to say that because this is a conversation I have with my mom and dad regularly when they wanted me to be a doctor. And I'm like,

Starting point is 00:51:12 no, what I'm going to do is I'm going to fly to different countries and I'm going to watch football, soccer for a living. Honestly, it'll be absolutely fine. And they're like, I would have preferred you to go to university, but here we are. Well, I got to tell you, you can, by the way, you can call it football. We're Canadian. Yeah, I appreciate you saying soccer, but you can call a football ball if you want. I can tell it kills you. Like, I get it. It really does.

Starting point is 00:51:34 We were in L.A. and New York over the last couple of weeks doing different things ahead of the World Cup. And when they kept calling it soccer, it was just like little bits of my heart were just breaking. It's OK. I can be flexible. I can roll with it. Yeah, I saw when you were in L.A., you were at SoFi Stadium where the Rams play. Like, that's my favorite football team. That must have been awesome.

Starting point is 00:51:53 What a place that is. I've never seen anything like it. we've been it's quite interesting i always think the people from north america whenever you speak to about football they will like coming over here and seeing like the famous old football grounds like liverpool's ground and field and all that kind of stuff whereas english people because we haven't got new stadiums we look like tottenham because that's quite new whereas the sofi stadium is unbelievable you walk it's like you're in a spaceship yeah yeah it's pretty cool i i've i've always wanted to go i think they're they're bored in the middle too which is like it's

Starting point is 00:52:22 unbelievable it's very futuristic yeah i i kicked it i don't really mention this unless like every five minutes but i kicked a field goal um it's just a little thing i don't know if it means anything to you how many how many yards do you know um we work in in meters in england and it probably wasn't many so um i'll move the best bit about it was i did what would it be in terms like a drop goal in like in english rugby yeah and all my mates who are fans of the nfl do just like that is not real i was my bubble burst so quickly it was painfully beautiful uh so rob like you know here's the thing uh we got the the big draws are happening today for the big soccer tournament next yeah uh and and obviously one of the things that we sort of admire and love and wish we had

Starting point is 00:53:08 in canada and the united states uh the same way you guys have it in europe is you guys are used to taking like a weekend flight and going to a different country right and and our countries are so big it's like you take a weekend flight um you'd be in the same country six seven hours away on the plane you got to plan for like a year to do it yeah 100 and it's expensive but sky scanner kind of makes it easier for you to pop around and watch all these football matches uh because it's it's low cost right yeah exactly that so you you fly for four hours you haven't even got to change your currency you're absolutely fine whereas us we've got changes like that yeah sky scanner is it's basically made what i do possible because what it does so well is it gives

Starting point is 00:53:46 you so many different options so again this i you probably already learned that i am quite a bit of a geek but like if i've got spare time and as you can imagine as a content creator i have quite a bit of that i'll just i'll just jump on and just look for different places to go to and it's for me it's all about it makes guys kind of makes it easy to get those new experiences and go to different places and see different things and meet different people and it's like i wouldn't be talking like i genuinely believe i wouldn't be talking to you you guys now if i hadn't done something like this and it's all down to to sky scanner really where's your favorite place you've been in the past year here we go right so i was hoping you were gonna ask me that um so we we've

Starting point is 00:54:26 just come back from new york my friend and i went to new york last week i i love new york and when last time we went we went via toronto again fantastic place love it um i went to in the south of spain so i work with a soccer club football club in england called stoke city so people that might know i understand this is a so i am again i've spent a lot of time working at the olympics a lot of my friends are from canada and every time i call it ice hockey that's like them calling it rather than just calling it hockey right that's like them calling it soccer to me and i we went to the south of spain and we went to cadiz jerez and uh sevilla and they are if you are over in europe at any point go to those three places you don't hear about them loads they're not

Starting point is 00:55:10 like your madrid's they're not your barcelona's or anything like that but for me those are three absolute beautiful places and we spend a lot of time in italy we're gonna be there for the olympics for milan obviously you gotta check out the ice hockey while you're of course jesse we'll see yeah yeah so we'll be there for two months so i do i love north of italy turin we were there at the start of the year for the special olympics turin's a beautiful place but yeah i i so traveling's amazing what's the best place in europe if so if you're going to jump on you know you're searching skyscanner and you see this location come up what's the best place to see a soccer game so what's your what oh soccer oh soccer game right yeah yeah soccer game did

Starting point is 00:55:51 that hurt your heart football match i'm okay i'm okay with it i've just got a slight twitch it's completely unrelated and i i really like going to italy because i think the culture is a lot different there when it comes to football. It's a lot like lower leagues in England. Again, obviously I'm going to say I support Nottingham Forest, so I'm going to say come and see a Nottingham Forest match and I would like to open an invitation

Starting point is 00:56:14 to all of you, if not everyone watching and listening, obviously I've got hundreds of thousands of tickets, but you three if you come across, you could be my guest, come to Stoke City come to Nottingham Forest, but again Northern Italy's very good South of Italy's good. It's like even though it's the same country, it's a completely

Starting point is 00:56:29 different kind of atmosphere when it comes to watching the football and again places in spain porto unbelievable i did this thing a couple years ago where i went every single round of the champions league without going to the same country twice so we went everywhere from poland to iceland to malta all these places which have just climbed all the flights on sky scanner and it just changed it all for me oh it's beautiful now there i know there is one thing that you mentioned uh before uh having you on that you wanted to show the audience and i think that this is an important thing because these are very rare where you come from uh but ubiquitous where we come from rob please go ahead i'm not gonna ruin

Starting point is 00:57:08 it right so this is not set up i'll just be clear i have not purchased this just to try and curry favor with you okay this is a genuine thing that i wear around my house and around my area in stoke on trent okay let's see it hey yes sir austin matthews for anybody listening that is an austin matthews toronto maple leafs jersey it's a legit how did you get that you buy that at a store nearby or what's the deal so i've got a friend who lives in toronto and we do a jersey swap every year so i'll send so hello to george i know he listens to this actually jenny i rang him when i was when i told him i was coming on last night i rang him to let him know and he's like oh that's amazing so that's a george yeah so this that's for him and then i've got another friend who works

Starting point is 00:57:55 for the golden knights and he wants me to start wearing golden knight stuff his name is darren millard i think he used to do stuff oh what what you know darren millard's your friend yeah that's crazy that's great you can't wear that jersey yeah no no no no no i won't wear it he sent me some vegas golden knight tags like to put on my luggage i used them once and they went so i just think someone in jfk airport saw the golden knights title just like yep off you go wow if i were to use sky scanner to go anywhere to see a game it would be the leafs mitch marner game in vegas i've been to a game in vegas best atmosphere i think in hockey right now based on the arenas i've been to like that would be the trip that'd be on my list yeah absolutely it's awesome down

Starting point is 00:58:40 here's the deal uh check out skyscanner for your your cheaper flights uh and and places like if you want to go somewhere quickly and you and you i know people like like this like my wife is like this loves to monitor a flight loves to loves to watch the prices right rob this is the place to go this is the thing so it's the the best feature is this price alerts so in effect say you're planning like you mentioned a little bit earlier on if you're planning to go to someone's maybe you're going to a sporting event maybe you and your friends have got a thing like you want to go to Vegas, you think, right, I'll keep an eye on that. We all know that prices can go up and down. Whereas this is a feature that SkyScanner have got where you can keep an eye on the price

Starting point is 00:59:15 of the flight. So if it goes down, if it goes up, you'll know when to buy at the perfect price. But also just do what I do, not everything I do, but just do what I do and just go on there and just have a little flick through, see if these are the places that you've always wanted to go to. And some of the deals that you can get are amazing. I love it. All right, Rob. Also, Rob, let's give you a little shout out. Where can people find you? um so the best place to find me is probably on tiktok which um again feels as a grown man feels a strange sentence to say out loud but it's um so when right forgive me when i say this right so when i set up this account i honestly didn't think that this was going to be my my main job

Starting point is 00:59:51 so i set up the name rob did a tiktok which isn't even grammatically correct because that's how much i didn't care about the account at the time but now it is obviously what i do for a living so So Rob did a TikTok on TikTok going to, I'm just about to release a video where I went to three American sports in three different states in three days. Wow. We went to see the Blackhawks,

Starting point is 01:00:11 went to see the Wisconsin Badgers, and we went to see the Bulls on three separate days. And then what was the other thing we went to see? Oh yeah, and then on Instagram, it's at Rob Adcock, R-O-B-A-D-C-O-C-K. All right, Rob, it was great to meet you. Thanks for coming on and check out Skyscanner for your best prices in airfare,

Starting point is 01:00:29 especially with a couple of pretty big tournaments coming on in February and then June, July next year as well. It's the place to be. Rob, hopefully we see you in Milan. Hey, whenever you come to Stoke-on-Trent, I've got you some tickets. Two in five Canadians will hear the words,

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Starting point is 01:01:04 and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. Apparently, Rob Brindamore was super pissed the entire night on the bench. Mike Johnson kept talking about it in the commentary. He was like... His team or the refs? No, he's just mad.

Starting point is 01:01:21 I think mostly at the team. I don't think it started well. but um i mean ultimately do you guys feel like carolina played a bad game i didn't think it was good honestly okay um i didn't i didn't like the team on the first goal um the team didn't really do anything wrong on the nice goal and just got bullied anyway which i think has been a league-wide criticism of them what was the second goal the second goal oh lot and i mean that shit happens um and then yeah the matthews goal the 4-1 goal is like a four-on-one right yeah no it wasn't very good like the the curve is different for the hurricanes and and we

Starting point is 01:02:07 we talked about this i feel when they lost in the playoffs we're like what what was the stat i heard last night they've won nine straight first round series or something like that caroline hurricanes yeah wow it was it was some crazy stat like that um but they can't like how many years despite doing well ending up in the final eight sometimes the final four how many times have they been talked about like a legitimate contender like there's There's kind of this ceiling there. And we were talking about, legitimately, we're like, does Rob Brindamore get fired?

Starting point is 01:02:53 I'm kind of of the opinion he's every year a top five coach. But here they are again. Like, they do remind me, you know, they've had more success than the Leafs, obviously, but they remind me a bit of, like, the sort of Keefe. i think the ethos upstairs would be that you know every chance you give yourself in the second and third round somebody could be injured somebody could be whatever like you you just take take the opportunity but it's never you it's never you but get there okay great i mean it's further than

Starting point is 01:03:27 the least have gotten right well yeah but like i got to the conference but the leafs even though they haven't gotten as far it's the same logic you know what well we dominate the regular season just get to the playoffs and you lost to all different styles and different teams and coaches and they're not very big it it didn't take long for that shit to get old right and uh i don't i don't know it like they're very clearly not a bad hockey team jesse do you agree with what's he saying that the brindamore should be fired they're not bad that which part more like the the ethos of the carolina hurricanes which is high shot volume smallish players great team game it consistently works for them in the in the regular season and frankly they've taken advantage of a

Starting point is 01:04:18 metropolitan division that hasn't been that strong in the in recent years specifically last year like jack he was going down and all that stuff uh do you think that perhaps carolina needs to change their ethos and get a little bigger up front or get a little bigger in their game i don't i don't know if that's the problem i think they in the playoffs they definitely miss the game-breaking x factors and they tried to solve it by getting rants in it yeah and they couldn't get them to stick around something like that is a game changer for them i think the idea that every couple years you're in the conference finals is a good thing and that you have to keep giving yourself those kicks of the can you are clearly a very successful team you are doing something right here you're

Starting point is 01:05:01 just missing some sort of extra sauce whatever it is to get over that hump maybe it's better goaltending maybe it's the guy uh who can put in an extra goal because they've always kind of lacked that but they're just missing they're like one piece away i wouldn't change what they're doing because it's very close so it's not a matter of stripping it's a matter of finding what to add and the carolina hurricanes have uh played this thing out i think beautifully and that they still have the assets in the room to go add to their team this is a team that every single year has the ability to add and right now this is going to be a very good team going to the playoffs they're going to make the playoffs they're going to be in the competition for the conference finals again

Starting point is 01:05:38 and if somewhere along the line whether it's at the trade deadline or a little earlier they're able to add that piece or maybe it's next offseason again where they add another free agent like they are one thing away from winning a stanley cop can i point out someone who was a big offseason acquisition and has been extremely mid Nikolai Ehlers yeah like that's they thought last off season they'd be in on one of the top guys out there and they had to settle on Ehlers I barely noticed them yeah it turns out he's not that guy right now but there's no there's no reason he couldn't play into that a little bit more he's he's he's a very good player he's relatively new like he could get better but like in 26 games five goals 11 assists 16 points look at Logan

Starting point is 01:06:21 stankoven's numbers too yeah yeah his last goal was against the leafs the last time yeah that was another thing they said on the broadcast i'm like freaking really i mean that's that's part of the thing is that a lot of players don't want to play within that system like it's not he has 11 points i thought he was way better than that and it should be mentioned they didn't have keandre miller last night which i'm sure threw a bit of a wrench in the uh freaking uh decor He's only played 19 games. They didn't have Keonji Miller. They didn't have Jacob Slavin.

Starting point is 01:06:52 Oh, yeah. Like, what are we talking about? I feel like that should go higher on the list. Yeah, but Miller was new. Sure, sure. But, like, this is a team. I'm talking about the room to maneuver. They currently have $11 million in cap space.

Starting point is 01:07:09 Their projected cap space is $8 million. They always do. They always do, and they're finally using it, bringing in Ehlers, trying to do the Rantanen deal, and then flipping that and making it at least the stankoven deal and then they're gonna keep adding on to that and i think you're not you shouldn't mess with a good thing right now i don't think it's quite leafs where you've you've tried with marner and matthews and neilander leafs had no flexibility they got carolina has lots the leafs got screwed by the salary cap and

Starting point is 01:07:36 the pandemic there and they thought there would be a position where there's more room and they never were and the hurricanes are in a position where the cap's only going to go up yeah and there is a ton of room and they can just add to this really good team that they have so i think there's an upgrading goal whether it's bussy and kachekov just be the guys and they step up and they are the guys going forward which i think they should be and then it's that next thing in the forward group that they need their defense i think it's great like i don't think i wouldn't yeah i know i love their defense yeah i love their defense okay all right i just wanted to check uh now i i want to um i want to kind of look around the league just a little bit here because last night we had a lot

Starting point is 01:08:13 of games and uh specifically there were a couple that stood out first off the predators beat the panthers in another game of who's worstest uh two to one for the predators in overtime so you know you gotta love that yeah um of course of course of course a lot of atlantic division teams lost last night so the lightning lost to the penguins in in regulation the senators lost to the rangers in regulation the blue jackets beat the red wings in a shootout and that's a big deal no you make up a point well i'm that's how i'm looking at every damn game you're looking at that right now like that you well until they get into the playoffs it's it's funny like uh last year i didn't pay attention to this at all and now like literally every win could move you up four four spots right

Starting point is 01:09:07 Right. And I, I want to know, uh, when you look at the division, I'm just going to pull it up here. I want to know if you're a believer in any of the Atlantic division teams and where they stand right now. And the first one I want to bring your attention to are the Tampa Bay lightning who have lost two straight, but are still seven, three and oh, in their last 10, they are leading the division. They got jobbed. Do you guys believe? Yes, they did. And I want to get into that. Uh, do you guys believe that the Tampa Bay lightning are for real? Yeah. Jesse, do you believe they're for real? Yes. Boston Bruins, number two in the division. They've got 32 points, 5-5-0 in their last 10. Do you believe in the Boston Bruins? Yes, in that they are going to be contending for a playoff spot all year. They still might not make it. Jesse? Yeah, I think they'll be in the playoff hunt by March. third in the division montreal canadians believer or non-believer had a great start fell off a little bit lately four five and one in the last 10 still third in the division though you need saves and you need living breathing human beings and they're running out of both but i would say yeah i believe in them but that needs to get fixed the detroit red wings who round out the top four in the division this is where we'll stop uh do you believe in the detroit red wings four four and two in their last 10 this is how mid the deficient is like i know everybody's

Starting point is 01:10:36 500 in their last 10 uh they're along the same lines as the bruins jesse you still believe in the detroit red wings yeah they'll be like seven through ten okay okay now there are there are two teams in the atlantic division currently with a positive goal differential name them in the atlantic yeah the leaves no yeah i think they're like plus three they are yeah they've they've scored a shit ton of goals so who's the other one that's so dumb uh ottawa tampa bay damn it that's the obvious answer that's why i ignored it and the leafs have allowed the most goals in the division which or second most goals in the division third most actually because boston has got 93 montreal's got 94 toronto's got 91 allowed you know what we're gonna have to start doing at

Starting point is 01:11:21 some point especially if the leafs like consistently turn it around we're gonna have to look at like the leafs goals allowed or whatever um like by like weekly cycles uh sort of thing so like follow it by like chunk in chunks well because they were they were so unbelievably bad at keeping the pocket of their net for like six weeks that it's gonna affect uh their stats for the entire rest of the year right they could be the best defensive team in hockey for the rest of the year and probably not squeak into the top five maybe even ten just because of how bad they were they were something that started with a three in every category 30th 31st or 32nd they were so friggin bad but they they got it back on the rails now you already see me in true classic t-shirts

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Starting point is 01:14:49 And can you walk us through why it was disallowed? So Tampa's down a goal. They're trying to tie it. They're in the offensive zone. Puck comes around the glass and it's coming for Brandon Hagel. Your instinct in that moment is going to be to get a hand up. and it comes up it makes contact with the puck uh does he score straight from there or does a teammate take it a teammate takes it which makes it a hand pass yep which they then review it and

Starting point is 01:15:24 it nullifies it so they they call the tying goal back because the nhl said no we've already met our quota for overtime games this entire season we're gonna have to reduce a little bit here um john cooper talked about the spirit of the rule and everything like when when i hear hand pass i think a hand passing that's not what this was this is a hand deflection you would say like it went off it like this isn't soccer it's allowed to touch your hand so cooper's like we were left with two options uh it's hagel lets the puck hit him in the face or uh you just let the other team take it which i think is garbage yeah which they do consistently like if somebody touches it with a high stick and they let the other team you know when they all kind of stand

Starting point is 01:16:21 around they let the other teams touch and then the other team won't yeah blows it dead how it this to me is like how is the rule written is the rule written where it's literally it can't touch your hand because if it's written like that then there's no yelling about this john cooper but if it if it's written where it needs to be deliberate then there's a point so that that's the only thing that's up for interpretation there my guess is he has no legal argument because the rule is if it goes off your hand in your teammate touches it the hand pass so if the rule i'll look it up i'll pull up the rule book and i'll bring it up but if the rule is written like that yeah then like okay we can't be subjective with the literal law it's ruled and you're right i was speeding but i wasn't

Starting point is 01:17:07 i was going the rest of traffic you know but you bro you were speaking by the way that is a legitimate argument that passes in court so yeah pace of traffic does is an actual thing okay well Well, it was just an example. I wasn't specifically talking about traffic. I was talking about the Cooper-Hann situation. So here's John Cooper. Let's play it. It's a silly outcome.

Starting point is 01:17:27 Yeah. I guess there's a couple things. Okay, did he mean to do it or was it deflected? Was there an advantage gained or not? And you could really debate whether an advantage was gained. Did Brandon Hagel direct that puck knowing exactly where it was going? No. would you sit here today and say

Starting point is 01:17:49 Brandon Hagel was maybe protecting his face from a puck hitting it or protecting some part of his body if I threw this microphone at you right now would you put your hand up to stop it hell yeah you would so there's a spirit of the rule was that the spirit of the rule from him

Starting point is 01:18:04 taking it in the face if that okay let's let me do that and I think that's where we get that wrong and that's not what happened and he didn't direct any pucks that was a bang bang play there were tons of guys around it turned out we got it first a lot of play a lot of the game developed after that and then a puck went in the net so is that a really frustrating one for me it is uh i think you read the real the rule book which we did and then you try and dissect what

Starting point is 01:18:31 happened in the play and then you take it all into consideration it's laughable that that got overturned and uh but in the end it did so can't cry over that bottom line is we should never put it in that situation anyway so that's our bad that we got to that situation uh but i i i think in the spirit of the rule come on that's a goal all day is it more frustrating because it wasn't called on the ice there well there again it's like i don't know things happen on the ice the game is fast refs get most of it right um none of them thought it was a hand pass there's four of them so um you know it's it's the evils of video replay you know now there's eyes on everything and camera angles and now it's judgment calls and then the judgment of everybody playing the game

Starting point is 01:19:26 that was not a hand pass in the judgment of somebody judging in another city that it was somebody that's not even in florida is making that call that can be a little bit John is a great lawyer, but let me read you the rule. Because remember, we are trying to take intent out of the game in terms of it. I don't give a shit. It's hard to prove. Sorry, I don't give a shit what the intent is. What happened?

Starting point is 01:19:58 Right. And I would if I were the Penguins or if they were playing the Leafs, I'd be like, no, his fucking hand touched it. And so so let's look at this. Seventy nine point one is the rule. hand pass a player shall be permitted to stop or bat a puck in the air with an open hand or push it along the ice with his hand and play shall not be stopped unless in the opinion of the on ice officials he has directed the puck to a teammate or has allowed his team to gain an advantage and subsequently possession control the puck is obtained by the player of the offending team

Starting point is 01:20:32 either directly deflected off any player or official if in the opinion of the on ice officials the puck has deflected off a player's hand and no advantage has been granted it will constitute a violation for the purpose sorry it will not constitute a violation for the purposes of this rule so and then there's obviously the closing hand on puck which is different so there's subjectivity there certainly there is but i steve i i would say that they absolutely gained an advantage whether it was intended or not they gained an advantage yeah intention doesn't matter that's that's the point here right intention does not matter read the first bit one more time player shall be permitted to stop or bat a puck in the air with his open hand or push it along

Starting point is 01:21:12 the ice with his hand and the play shall not be stopped unless in the opinion of the on ice officials he has directed the puck to a teammate or has allowed the team to gain an advantage and subsequently possession and control of the puck is obtained by a player of the offending team oh okay based on that wording yeah you're right it doesn't say attention now i love what john cooper does here because he's brilliant he's the best litigator in the league i get the fans on side with that but the reality of the rule is that that's the rule the the leafs played 13 playoff games against these guys in a span of two years and each one of them was exhausting yeah because they're the best litigators in the league the the greatest example of the john cooper

Starting point is 01:22:02 lightning that i can think of is stephen stamkos has one hand gesturing at the ref uh politicking for a call while punching austin matthews with the other hand yep yeah and i was just like that's that's the lighting in a nutshell yeah that's why they've been to three straight finals that's them in a nutshell i think that's it uh the lightning or it's a shitty outcome the the panthers are back back alley brawlers yeah right yeah they're perfect for each other god i hope they play great it's great um uh it's a shitty outcome i understand why he's pissed but i mean yeah they you're right they gained an advantage they did a couple things with what

Starting point is 01:22:50 john cooper said there one pulling the toronto card is fucking hilarious oh yeah that's a all-timer there thank you for doing that he has a ring in his house he has a ring in his house because his team gained an unfair advantage over a toronto team that got jobbed the 2012 calder cup final the game three overtime winner scored by mike koska after the game the american hockey league released a statement going that was offside we missed it our bad and it's like oh do we like replay overtime no you're just down three games to none now have fun against a team full of players that have been the foundation of the lightning for over a decade people don't forget john yes jesse pulling the toronto the people not even in florida we know where they are john

Starting point is 01:23:49 great great line second he says i'm not gonna sit here and cry about it because that's the result he spent two minutes and 15 seconds literally crying about the call and he sat there and he cried about it saying i'm not gonna sit here and cry about it well done john that's great master class in how to handle these things it's great i if i was a lightning fan i'd die for him probably oh yeah i mean there's a reason he's been he is the best coach in the league never won a jack adams doesn't need it yeah he's won a cup crazy family cups yeah those are the jack adams it's the same with the gm of the year trophy it's so ridiculous you get a jack adams family cup yeah he probably doesn't want to win the jack adams you get fired right right yeah that's that's why

Starting point is 01:24:32 he's been employed for so long you're right yeah no it's uh i'd like i'd what number do you put on it and just get a cooper jersey like he's the longest tenured guy actually no it's victor headman it's crazy how long some of those guys have been there adam there's a story that relates to john cooper and i don't know if you had it on your list but john cooper and team canada oh with that i was gonna go bednar but yes that directly relates to this because i think he illuminated who's gonna be on this team okay and uh he hinted directly at who it's going to be so like john cooper is going to be the head coach of team canada but also the gm uh one of the many gms that they have associated with the team is julian briswa along with uh doug armstrong and

Starting point is 01:25:17 kyle dubas and uh ryan getzlaff who works in department player safety is always also in the management group and pierre lebrun spoke to doug armstrong and he got some hints about how they're going to build this team because everybody's wondering, are Macklin and Bedard going to make it? And he got this quote from Armstrong about the way John Cooper wants to coach this team. And I think it tells us that Tom Wilson is 100% going to be on this team. It's how I read this thing. This is what Pierre Lebrun wrote in The Athletic here. At the end of the day, head coach john cooper who has a lot of sway in these roster conversations wants to coach a certain type of team that's important to remember as the final roster decisions are made all of

Starting point is 01:26:05 which will be reinforced in these three days of meetings so they're having three days of meetings starting on sunday through like tuesday in florida all these gms i just mentioned our meeting this is what armstrong said these are important meetings to just make sure we're all on the same page as far as style of play what player represents the style we want to play we've talked to the coaches and we understand some of the things that are important to them a lot of things are important to them and we're trying to create a team not an all-star team but a competitive team that is them soft launching we're going with tom wilson and sorelli over macklin and bedard well that's how i interpreted this i think let me know if you think i'm wrong i think cognac knees out

Starting point is 01:26:50 yes can i give you another name i was on the four nations roster i've played 21 games so i haven't been fully healthy i've played 21 games i have three goals eight assists 11 points i'm minus 11 oh oh that's bad who am i three goals mark stone i'll give you a hint they were on the ice for canada when they won oh that i don't fucking remember that i'll give you another clue they were on uh they've been on john cooper's team their entire live lives point brayden point no he's on the team he's on the team he's already been named he's already he's already has he actually yeah he was one of the first that were named yeah oh cool that's well he's been brutal but he's brayden point that's great sam bennett until recently steve and then it's been better

Starting point is 01:27:38 You got to throw on the red and white and the maple leaf and cheer for Braden point. Oh, get a board. All right. Absolutely. Oh, like,

Starting point is 01:27:47 I mean, if you, if you, I mean, with Bennett, we go, well, he just won the cons.

Starting point is 01:27:51 You want to go back and look at Braden points. Frigging not just career, but playoff career. Uh, yeah. He makes this team every time. If we're looking for guys who might not make the team because they've been bad.

Starting point is 01:28:07 Statistically, he meets the criteria to maybe get the boot but if they already freaking name the guy one of the ogs which by the way my brain won't register those names that's okay because i think that's just a ridiculous thing to do like why can't you just be like oh never mind no no points points going um i think if if macklin and connor are on this team they are the extra skaters for sure they're not making opening day roster and i think tom wilson's in there i think john cooper is soft launching there through Doug Armstrong I want a hard checking style of game and I don't want an all-star team I don't want those kids with their flashy michigans and all that stuff I want hard

Starting point is 01:28:47 nosed hockey and that's Tom Wilson no team of zegras exactly now that's how I interpreted Cooper I agree and what's interesting is that obviously you know with the Chris Johnston and Michael Russo put out that crazy article in the athletic about how the Olympic ice size is three and a half feet shorter than it should be um and i've already been i'm already of the opinion that ice is too small anyway with how big people are but there's not much you can do if you decide to fill the ice with enormous human beings that's a benefit when the ice is smaller especially a guy like tom wilson you're going to run out of space quickly when he's chasing a defenseman down right and and he's gonna they're gonna make you pay for it and so i i'm curious about okay if you

Starting point is 01:29:30 if you do that the one of the things that i worry about is that teams in two and three game clumps can run into a scoring deficit sure now i know this team's got mcdavid but i saw him struggle for a month to score goals i know this team has sydney crosby he never struggles uh unless he's got a concussion because somebody beamed him and that was a very long time nathan mckinnon uh does have some downspouts but not but pretty rare yeah he scores three points a night instead of four yeah but there are there are times where i'm like okay wouldn't it be cool if you can have a shutdown fourth line john john cooper is known for having like a a bastard third line and a shutdown fourth line right like i'm thinking like blake coleman and barclay goud remember that line

Starting point is 01:30:15 what a fucking pain that was how dare you leave off yanni gourd yanni gourd of course who they got back by the way uh could they possibly look at you know is it like i don't know top line is marner mcdavid tom wilson i don't know i don't know what you're putting tom wilson yeah uh and then nathan mckinnon whoever and whoever can the third line sometimes we play together i think can you at least bring celebrini and bedard and play them one game against team italy and especially yeah i think there's enough games that they can get into something if they're the scratches but just be winners the gold medal game no they're not getting it the line that was on the ice that one uh was mcdavid marner point nice so oh stone was in the top six stones in the

Starting point is 01:31:05 conversation according to pierre lebrun as maybe one of the names that could be taken off i mean he's he's broken so you look at guys he wrote this you look at guys like seth jarvis and mark stone perhaps being replaced uh connect me is the one he's going with replacing uh tom wilson getting and they're all ahead of Konechny. And then the guys who would be in the conversation for those spots, potentially the Jarvis, Stone, and Konechny spots, or Wilson, as I mentioned,

Starting point is 01:31:32 Macklin, Bo Horvat, Suzuki, Wyatt Johnson, Shifley, and the Bedard. Wyatt Johnson's been freaking great, too. So there's more goals. Like, if you want to bring a guy like Suzuki over Stone, I get that. I get that, too. Like, that's an easy one for me.

Starting point is 01:31:48 And Suzuki's really strong on defense. listen mark stone at his best is a takeaway god he's a neutral zone killer the thing is so is nick suzuki like no one's given nick suzuki a ton of credit on that because he plays with caulfield and their offense is so great whatever nick suzuki is a phenomenal defensive center and can play the wing because he's a center who cares and i look at this and i go okay are we are we asking for mark stone from a couple years ago or are we asking for nick suzuki what he brings now because mark has already been injured like i just that to me i i don't want this to become i'm really concerned about the 2016 or is it 2000 whatever it was where they brought all the old guys and

Starting point is 01:32:27 crosby didn't make it 2006 like that that year was a disaster it was a top story what the hell did canada do who knocked them off in a two nothing shutout i have no idea switzerland cool martin gerber wow if you uh future leaf martin gerber future leaf yeah he won the cup that year as a backup i'm this is what i'm saying right like you get you gotta have do people call him the gerber baby they should have they did right i don't remember they did people don't remember but in toronto he was darth gerber yeah he had a good he had a good run here because instead of having a plain black mask or so i fucked it up instead of having a plain white mask he had a plain black mask so he was darth gerber that's that's a deep he had a yo cut on

Starting point is 01:33:12 the 0809 Leafs, he had a 905 save percentage. He was straight up good and people were mad about it because they're like lose games though. Yeah, like because he was brought in late to what was his record with the Leafs 65 and oh what

Starting point is 01:33:28 like he cost them Brian Burke wanted Braden Shen at fifth so bad and he actively did everything in his power to not pick that high. Yeah, but he's trying to win. You know what he could why you're not making the playoffs brian brian burke was serious then wave him like the hell

Starting point is 01:33:49 dude i think it's because guys got hurt yeah i don't remember if he traded for him or got him off i think he got him off wait well there you go anyway he got cadre seventh he did okay but like yeah still a great pick i'm gonna be real happy at the end of the sweden canada game when john cooper is speaking on our behalf yeah and he says the most pompous ass shit he's not a baby he's he's a uh thought leader he's brilliant he's revered yeah yeah oh no there's all these guys wait till you wait till i start talking about the integrity of brad marshand oh man oh yeah there's a guy mess with that who i've always supported you know what he's never the one thing about brad is throughout his career he's never really put a foot wrong

Starting point is 01:34:34 you know oh never my biggest regret tongue with how this thing is going to play out is that we didn't get paul maurice and john cooper together yeah oh man you imagine the medulling press just so much gas and wind between the two of them it would be like that south park episode where they're smelling their own farts in san francisco just crazy john with a four minute and 50 second sermon on why uh he disagreed with the call and paul maurice going that was fucking horseshit that's a good point it would be bad for canadian foreign policy All you got to do is let barely anything come out and then that's it.

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Starting point is 01:35:27 Because some of us have relatives that are technologically not good at technology. and are these the facebook meme sharing types yes is this real followed by the least real thing that you've ever seen well you can put something real in your aura frame what if you loaded your aura frame with a bunch of ai videos oh man that would be mean suppose you could like what if what if your parent likes that what if they're like i like the videos where my dog is like skiing so you load up in a bunch of like oh here's your dog doing housework you know what jesse brings up a great point because we keep talking about the aura frame as just a gift for your parents that's

Starting point is 01:36:13 not true yeah you could also get aura frames for the boys i would just send each other memes all day i was thinking steve your aura frame needs hockey highlights oh load in just austin matthew's doing cool stuff maybe junior highlights oh wow could play on a loop in there just throw youtube videos in there yeah honestly that's a great thing jesse you make it but it's unlimited photos and video i thought bird pictures was a great idea i have highlights throw the early 2000s leafs in there so we have the rights to those the aura frame we have at home is actually already full of hockey highlights oh nice leo's ah why don't you get a real player in that frame though whoa whoa how do we get one of these well you just go buy it uh or frames.com 35 bucks off

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Starting point is 01:38:55 Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. I want to ask you guys this question, okay? and it has to do with another team that we have not talked about enough but i think is a sleeper to win gold medal and i would put if i was betting money on it i'd be putting money on this team okay uh and that would be team sweden now they got a decision to make and i'm just going to give you some stats from the from the guys that were on the four nations roster okay raspus anderson 20 points this season he picked it up yeah he really did he really really did recently

Starting point is 01:39:39 I think he did like a nine-point week a couple weeks ago. Matias Ekholm, 13 points in 28 games. Rasmus Dahlin, 17 in 24. Jonas Brodine, 9 in 27. Gustav Forsling, Stanley Cup winner, 12 in 26. Victor Hedman, 12 assists in 15 games. That's pretty good. When he plays, he scores.

Starting point is 01:40:02 And Eric Carlson with 18 in 26, also very good, right? Strong, strong, lots of scoring. okay i'm gonna give you one more oliver ekman larson interesting 20 points in 27 games he had 29 in 77 last last year year at his peak in phoenix or sorry arizona it wasn't phoenix anymore he had 55 points i think he played when it was called he did he did but i'm just talking about that one season all right This is a guy that perennially got over 40 points until he joined the Vancouver Canucks

Starting point is 01:40:39 and it kind of went south. 32 with the Panthers a couple of years ago and that Stanley Cup winning team. 29 last year with the Leafs. 20 already this year. Is there a case? And he plays like a dick too. Yes.

Starting point is 01:40:53 Like it's not like Oliver Ekman Larson of old. This man is, I'm not saying he was ever soft, but he's a dick to play against. People hate this guy. He's a grumpy old man. He is a grumpy old man. do you think and i'm going to give you the names again some of them have already been named so it's probably you know rasmus anderson matthias at home rass uh rasmus doline jonas brodine

Starting point is 01:41:14 gus forsling victor had been already been named eric carlson already been named so so what i was trying to count there is guys who play the right because oh we else played most of the season on the right yeah headman and carlson are righties oh carlson too oh no headman's a lefty what am i talking about i don't know ah there's an argument i don't think he goes no like a guy you didn't even name there hampus lindholm oh ahead of oel yeah you have hampus lindholm ahead of oel yeah but he's been bad this year and that's okay he's been extremely injured the last few years no no he's been like bad that's okay i have him ahead really yeah it's the same guy anymore it's the same brayden point

Starting point is 01:41:55 thing like i'm not taking oel over hampus lindholm 21 games all these okay the points aren't like for defense all the games points all these front offices are hell-bent on uh not picking the hot hand right like again these hockey guys we keep talking about like oh we're not going to make an emotional decision no you're just a different version of stubborn than i am right instead of going with the hot hand you're going with the legacy guy like you're stealing money by scouting games then like doug armstrong was at a game the other day how come you picked the team in the summer you know all these wilson's gonna get in there steve yeah like why are any of these executives still watching games you have already picked the team I think you listed five guys who

Starting point is 01:42:55 there's no debate about yeah it's Darlene Hedman Forsling Carsland Carlson Anderson like there's no I I would so the thing is is that up until last week I would have taken OEL over Rasmus Anderson Rasmus Anderson had a horrible start man most of his points have been in the last literally like 12 points have been in the last two weeks I don't care about points what about you're asking guys to play defense yeah and you have eric carlson you have eric carlson for the points part of the defense you have dalene there can contribute but like he's gonna be uh playing the defense part of the defenseman yeah like i don't i'm not searching for that out of this oil's been a very solid defensive player like even last night he had two i think uh really good poke

Starting point is 01:43:37 checks uh but like is that enough to get you on the team so no but i like i was saying so i think you got five or if you disagree if you think there's only four let me know i'd be fine with jonas brodine being left off if you don't want to debate rasmus anderson okay so it's five then we have brodine simon edvinson ekholm and oel and lindholm there's five guys there for three spots because you're going to bring two extra defensemen yep so five guys for two spots It's not unreasonable that OEL can get ahead of one of those guys, but that's a hard five or hard three to crack out of those five. My answer is totally selfish.

Starting point is 01:44:21 I am not enthusiastic about non-Canadian Leafs going to the Olympics. First of all, I'm going to have to cheer against you. Second of all, you're going to get hurt. Please don't. So you're hoping they leave him off just so he can rest. Yeah. You know what? You know what, too?

Starting point is 01:44:38 It might make him really angry, and then he goes on a tear when they get back if any members of sweden's management team are listening to the show right now willie's been awful he's hurt he's terrible not engaged i'd say no bad attitude and a terrible shot ugly too really terrible hair yeah the the beard's got to go it's got to go it's got to go yeah if you want to tell me oel's the third best out of that group i'll hear it okay it's not unreasonable that out of the second group out of the five that are left over for the three spots it's not unreasonable that he can be the third best i think he's the how many guys you list what's your ranking how many guys did you list five

Starting point is 01:45:22 he's fifth what's your ranking what's your ranking out of what are they what are the names. It's Brodine. Leftover is Brodine, Lindholm, OEL, Edmondson, Ekholm. So Ekholm's three spot. Not had the best year in Edmondson, but I do think that they're

Starting point is 01:45:39 going to be like, well, but look at how great he's been in the playoffs. That's kind of a collection of guys. What great in the playoffs? He barely played in the playoffs last year. But the previous year. Okay. Time keeps on slipping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. I mean, I put OEL in...

Starting point is 01:45:56 I worry about Hampus Lindholm and those injuries. I really do. He had a crazy year when he went to Boston the first time. Bruins fans feel the same way I do. No, he's been bad. Oh, they want him to sit and just be ready. Yeah. Oh, no, you're jacked.

Starting point is 01:46:09 Because Matt LeVoy's been out, too. I think he's lost 20 pounds because he couldn't eat. See, that's different. Plays for Team USA. Well, that's what I'm saying, though. They want to win. They need someone who's healthy, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:46:17 They, uh, huh. Is anybody going to do their ranking? Yes. I'm going to be honest. and this is going to sound insane for that secondary group in terms of the season they're having there's an argument

Starting point is 01:46:33 for one he's having the best season of them that's what I'm saying Brooksie and that's what I would put him and it's not just points and it's the versatility of being able to play either side which I know a few of those guys can do I'm pretty sure Darlene plays both

Starting point is 01:46:49 I don't know if any of the righties do man Rasmus Darlene can do anything that guy rocks yeah he's really good um but i'm what i'm saying is i put a we all up there i put do you bring a young guy in edvinson i don't do you think he's done enough i don't have a comment on that he's good he's big on a tiny ice surface yeah and it is an older defense core yeah right well like i'll tell you what doesn't make any sense bringing like at home and oel you know what i mean like you bring you bring one of the other well then they're going to defer i think well i mean listen if we're going

Starting point is 01:47:23 back a couple of years to the playoff ekholm had uh oel's team beat him uh now he didn't have the playoff remember it was the first it was the first panthers cup oh yeah i was like when did the canucks be oh right yeah the panthers right i forgot about that you won a cup with them so i don't know i mean his playoff was not as good as their pp1 qb in the final yes that's also true people forget that man half a point a game player in the playoffs too i think well with the leafs last year you know what some guys oel chief among them at least in toronto are having the kind of where you go where did this come from oh i didn't even think of the olympics because oel was signed to be like a third pair guy here it's i never would have predicted he'd be on the

Starting point is 01:48:18 right side of the top pair you think it's a carrot and he's chasing it all season long hell yeah or you know he just is capable of playing very good hockey still you know maybe he had a few years off his body felt shitty did you did you complete your three one yeah but what are the other what do you mean your three that you're picking out of the five oh i need it again i'm I'm going to go. So Lindholm, Ekholm, OEL, Edvidsson, Brodine. Brodine. Brodine's pretty good too.

Starting point is 01:48:50 See, I'd go OEL, Brodine. And then if you want to go Young, okay, fine. I can listen to Edvidsson, sure. I think I'm siding with you guys that OEL is on this team, and I'm going to put him in that last spot. I think he's eight. I think he's eight. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:05 I think for me, it's Lindholm makes the team. I think he's got to be there. We'll put OEL there. I put that on Scratch and Ekholm. That doesn't make sense. But he's not been very good. If I'm an Oilers fan, I'm like, if anyone from Team Sweden is watching this,

Starting point is 01:49:21 Matias Ekholm stinks. You know what? I'm leaving OEL off. I'm leaving OEL off. I'm going Ekholm, Edmondson, Lindholm, Brodine, and OEL. So now the question is, what does Jesse have against the city of Edmondson? What?

Starting point is 01:49:36 Why does he hate them? I picked Ekholm. Because he's from Toronto? Yeah. The city of Edmonton probably wants him to relax. Okay, I did my three. File your papers. What's your last call?

Starting point is 01:49:49 This is a hard one. Yeah. Wow. That's why I want to bring it up. It's not one that people are focused on, but I think it's a good one. Brody and Edmonton. If you don't pick OEL, I'm going to... You're leaving home at home in Lindholm.

Starting point is 01:50:03 Yeah, so that OEL can spend the rest of the season pissed off about it and playing that way. brodeed edwardson at home at home there you go wow thought about lynn home thought about we also might be like criminally underrating yonas brodine but i had him i had him too oh i guess it's just me then my bad yeah but i think he's i had him better listen he's a good player on a good team i'm not i'm not hating uh i'm just saying it's like uh it's one of those things that i'm hoping oel listen if he's the eighth defenseman steve it's not like he's playing all that much anyway right i don't even want him sleeping on those olympic village beds they are looking very small

Starting point is 01:50:51 and i want him i'm putting brodine on my team sleeping on nothing but down sleeping on nothing but down i want god i want him getting all rested up i want him in a cryogenic chamber i want any leave who's not at the olympics to be healing up like goku for the rest of the season okay matthew should stay home in all honesty also been terrible just leave him off remember when he had a wrist injury and went to four nations ah and they were like no one's keeping home from four nations and we're like that's kind of your job jesse and then they sat him like the third uh round robin game because they're like you know we need to rest him up for the finals because he's a little injured like why is he there if he's injured we need to talk about a moment

Starting point is 01:51:40 a sliding doors moment as kevin mcgrann would say matthews had two incredible chances to end the gold medal game at the four nation face-off number one how does that change his career number two how does that change the mood in this literally in this entire country over the past almost year he might be the most hated player in this country number three could you ever look at him the same again no no i there'd be a stank on it there was there was some there was a lot of pride on the line i wouldn't be able to do it yeah knowing what i know about myself and how i felt about that tournament like that was never something i even considered is what if matthews is the one to ice canada i never thought about that and if it had happened

Starting point is 01:52:27 every slump oh you know where was this in fucking february where i would have been so salty about it and now i'm like he blocked a couple shots like i defend him at every turn six last night wow that's really good he blocked more shots on the hurricanes but if he iced canada that would be a problem for you there's one more thing because i know we're getting deep into the show there's one more thing i we must hit okay and the question is and jesse i sent you the link on this a little a little while ago question is what is goaltender interference uh concept that's it poorly executed concept perhaps no it's guesswork i don't know if you saw the islanders abs last night i need to uh but jared bednar is frustrated

Starting point is 01:53:22 and it's because of this play now this is a kyle mclean goal five minutes into the first period he digs the puck loose in a very chaotic sort of like everybody's in whatever flurry bednar immediately challenged for goaltender interference now based on his mood afterwards you can imagine how that call went that's right they went on the pk uh and i will give you the quotes before you see the play interesting goaltender interference is a joke that's his that's his lead line if that's really really appreciating the eloquence of john cooper here if that's not goalie interference i don't know what is you can't just shove the goalies pads out of the way and create a loose puck i'm getting them all wrong when i'm looking at challenges around the league so i'm

Starting point is 01:54:13 kind of out of my mind i'm not going to challenge unless it's obvious but for me it was obvious interesting so i would like to know if what you guys see in this replay is the same because uh the nhl actually released an explanation following his challenge good which is interesting that makes it that kind of ratchets it up a little bit right i'll go a step further they should do that for all of them all of them they can have an intern do it every challenge yeah now but you're the nhl how about you fucking do it like you know what i mean hire some people what anyway sorry now the league did cite a rule too so i'm gonna i'm gonna once you see the play then i'll tell you how the league sees it uh and we can go from there and there is a top over top

Starting point is 01:55:05 shot jesse that we're probably looking for on the replay if we can get to it um but it's uh this one i'm i'm i feel i'm pretty sure i'd crash out oh yeah yeah i feel like i'd be mad about this one where's where's the puck you can go ahead justin puck is under blackwood's pads by the way okay and kyle mclean is the guy you're looking for on the left side 32 look at where his stick is it's under my god section of blackwood so where's the puck well hang on comes out and there it is so he moves blackwood essentially and is able to shovel this home okay blackwood was on his stomach and then he was on his back and the puck goes in the net i mean i don't know yeah i don't know so here's what the nhl said about it um rule 69 nice 0.7 which states in a

Starting point is 01:56:06 rebound situation or where the goaltender and attacking players are simultaneously attempting to play a loose puck whether inside or outside the crease incidental contact with the goalkeeper keeper will be permitted incidental and any goal that is scored is the result thereof will be sorry any goal that is scored as a result thereof will be allowed so if blackwood doesn't try to do anything like the way that's worded if blackwood just lays down it's fine but he doesn't know where the puck is he it is under him but he doesn't know where it is but the ref does okay i the puck's also loose like you can see it there oh there it is this is the puck here like mclean can see the puck but that's later right if you go

Starting point is 01:56:55 back like a split second earlier right no like it's it's there like i assume from his angle he can like he can see that i think it's right under his knee yeah it's over here yeah like the puck is like here ish and then like blackwood moves okay but and then it comes out there okay so not not even that look at where go back a little bit where's casey suzikis's stick it's right under blackwood's pad or right beside it at very least over there it looks like he's shoving them there are at one point there's like three island three islander sticks are touching blackwood so even if it's not even if it's the puck is loose though jesse does do you think that casey suzikis doesn't get in the way of mackenzie blackwood making this look at mcclain

Starting point is 01:57:42 there's three guys with with uh skates in the blue it's at various points yeah but the pucks the pucks out of the blue there it's loose i yeah but i think that is the islanders doing yeah because they're playing the puck because it's loose i got no problem with this call drew's gonna love this segment i'm on the side of the islanders here yeah you're on if the puck if the puck is loose i'm allowed to go try and get the puck now i i in in the can you take it off the screen and we watch it not like screenshot sure yeah

Starting point is 01:58:16 Steve wants to see this play so there you go watching the whole replay tell us what you're seeing Steven no you got to play Islanders are blasted on there's a flurry in front they all just try to enter Blackwood

Starting point is 01:58:33 at the same time oh Jesus look at that it's six minutes into the damn game too all right everyone's happy they're celebrating i think here's the replay an important part too is that the goal isn't scored on the shoving it's taken out and because it's loose they're able to circle back and make a shot onto the net yeah a second later yeah but i mean like it's not it's not scored because they like picked up mackenzie blackwood and put him in the net the puck's

Starting point is 01:59:04 loose the whole time and blackwood's moving so much that the puck comes up so that would have been able to put that other knee down had he not been shoved by sezikis's stick i don't i don't think so i need to i think blackwood's job here is to just to be quiet and sit down on the puck so i the argument here i assume so blackwood yeah it's under him and he had control and then he did it this is his own doing like he moved with no one on him it's that it's that front view this one where you really see it so here blackwood's there he gets up he gets up and he moves the puck and this is generated by cizik is crashing the net which made blackwood sort of go oh shit it's behind me which it wasn't which it was not if he just stays there this goal probably

Starting point is 01:59:51 doesn't uh well the shot you can do this one so throw that up justin so here this is the shot from the point blackwood is sitting on the puck but he doesn't know he's sitting on the puck so he gets up yeah there it is and then they play the puck so had he just turtled yeah it's fine or just stayed sitting like he was in a position to cover the puck but he didn't he gets up because he doesn't know where it is and once he gets up sezikis plays it so it was covered but became loose and the reason it became loose is black yeah so then he slides back and he kicks it over here where mclean sees the puck i think gatcomb stick gets in there no he kicks it over here by getting up do you see the puck now under over here where the mouse is that's where the puck

Starting point is 02:00:41 is because mackenzie blackwood decided to sit up because he didn't know where the puck was it's his own doing this whole thing goal islanders now i've i say this all the time when it comes to these reviews okay fine it's a goal i think it's shitty that the avs got a penalty for that oh i think the the penalty after a challenge is that one of the worst rules the nhl's got couldn't they couldn't they have one challenge where it's penalty free and then every challenge because my whole thing with that is the idea of the challenge is to get the game right right so why are you being penalized for trying to just get the correct because john cooper would use it on every goal no but like limit it limit it to two if you still want but it doesn't have to be like

Starting point is 02:01:25 a situation where being penalized for that it's so it's very silly you don't want to add subjectivity to it where like yeah you were wrong and also that was frivolous but like to me the problem was coaches got super frivolous with how they were challenging everything it was ridiculous so they made it a penalty if you're wrong but okay but what if it's close yeah what if it is real close like this or like when something is offside by like a hair like a hair no we're not talking the matt duchesne thing or whatever i don't know i just don't think you should be penalized for things that like the naked eye couldn't possibly see every scoring play in the nh in the nfl is automatically reviewed quickly by the booth or whoever's sitting at home doing it in the

Starting point is 02:02:17 nfl replay official office or whatever it is why can't that be the same case with nhl gold i'd be down it's apples to oranges jesse the nfl is a professional sports league i think the nhl they had the situation they were this 15 years ago and they said you have three challenges you lose a timeout if you're wrong in the challenge uh if you want to challenge this touchdown go ahead throw your flag whatever and they're like okay the scoring plays are kind of really important yeah let's just get all of them right and then if anything's close we'll take a half a second before you kick that extra point to just look at it and make sure that it is a touchdown or not and they do that with every scoring play and guess what it doesn't interrupt

Starting point is 02:03:00 the flow of the game because they've gotten so good at it sometimes there's like an extra 30 seconds we gotta wait if it's a close play at the goal line but they just do it and it's like okay referee continue with the game and the nhl should have that same system we're not penalizing these coaches for just trying to figure out what the hell goalie interference is or not you'd like bednar to have his head screwed on a little bit there because like i didn't realize this was six minutes into the game and then he's asked about it probably over two hours later and he's still still steamed about it white hot probably mad probably hasn't had the chance to really review it either i mean maybe in the regular and like i don't know yeah there's a legitimate beef there

Starting point is 02:03:40 but like i don't know you're down one nothing you're the abs like i think you'll live you know it does hurt to go down like did they get scored on on the power play they did not oh okay it doesn't know i mean it's one thing if now well now you're down to nothing yeah but it does it also throws off your your flow at the beginning of the game you can't get your best you also don't want to allow a goal you shouldn't allow you know so so you're you're if we're looking at this in the cold light of day after sleeping on it uh mckenzie just turtle man just stay there be mckenzie driftwood just sit oh come on here was uh i'll play the audio we can't play the video here but here's the audio of uh bednar talking about the uh goal that had

Starting point is 02:04:28 The quote that Adam read earlier, he was him saying it. The first goal didn't necessarily decide the thing, but, I mean, Gabe wasn't happy with the decision. I mean, what did you see there? Hey, listen, I think goal interference is a joke. If it's not goal interference, I don't know what is. You can just shove the goalie's pads out of the way and then, like, create a loose puck.

Starting point is 02:04:49 I mean, but, I mean, I'm getting them all wrong when I'm looking at the challenges around the league. So, you know, I'm kind of in my mind, I'm not going to challenge unless it's obvious. But to me, it was obvious. I mean, like we've had bad periods. We've had bad stretches in our game that we've overcome. And, you know, I'm sure like I look at a lot of that game and I'm like, we're still digging in and we're down four. We cut it to two.

Starting point is 02:05:16 Then they score on the power play. You know, like we were as closer than you think, but it still wasn't good enough. So we just got to make sure the next one is. It is their first regulation loss since October 25th. Oh, yeah. Cry about it. Yeah. Like, I don't feel that bad for it.

Starting point is 02:05:34 I don't think a little adversity and waking up angry is bad for this team. Yeah. Because holy shit. Nathan McKinnon has probably smashed so many sticks at practice. Oh, my God. The guy lives on anger. I wonder if he gets happy in the summer and then progressively as August kicks in, he's like, he just starts to wake up pissed off.

Starting point is 02:05:52 No. No. did he just turn it on september 1st or is he just pissed off all year pissed all damn year except for the tim hortons commercials yeah one one day there's gonna be a tourist attraction and it's just gonna be called like the mckinnon groundhog holes and it's gonna be going all the way up signal hill and it's just where his feet make contact with the fucking hill every stride he takes just hating signal hill it's gonna be signal berm by the time he's done with it it's gonna knock that shit down wow signal crater signal yeah signal valley okay i like that i like

Starting point is 02:06:31 that um all right that's it for today's show uh we're gonna wrap it up there right jess are we yeah do you have anything we need to plug in agent provocateur listen to it on sunday or monday morning i do want to shout out all the listeners who came out to see rick westhead and i at the Kitchener Public Library last night. KPL, as we call it, for short. Amazing conversation. Rick, it's so funny, man. As you guys know from having him on the show, you're just

Starting point is 02:06:56 like, hey, Rick, what do you think about? And he's like, I got this. And then he just kind of goes. It was phenomenal. Lots of people came out to say hi, get their book signed, get a picture taken, and a lot of STP listeners said hello. So I just wanted to shout them out. If you're an F1 fan, this weekend's a big weekend. Adam and Tim Haranew,

Starting point is 02:07:12 who do our F1 show, Nailing the Apex, will have coverage all weekend long. that's right look out on the sdp and youtube channel for that or wherever you get your podcasts look for nailing the apex on your favorite podcast platform adam who do you think is gonna win uh okay you know what i'm gonna go with my guy oscar piastri oscar piastri i know justin does not want justin is doing our switching today adam uh justin who wins lando you think it's gonna be lando yeah it's lando because lando if he finishes third or above he wins but lando is kind of like the Leafs.

Starting point is 02:07:43 The talent's there, but can he close it? Jesse. I'm going to put two bucks on Bowser. Jesse, who do you think? Well, Bowser. So your choices are a guy named Lando Norris,

Starting point is 02:07:53 a guy named Max Verstappen, you've heard of him, and a guy named Oscar Piastri. Which one do you want? Oscar, Max, or Lando? Give me Oscar. You want Oscar? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:08:03 Okay. I'm taking Max. You're taking Max. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Justin would hate it. He would hate it. Did I get it right? Max Verstappen.

Starting point is 02:08:11 oh no i get it right no you got it wrong too i love lando norris but i also love oscar p no lando's gonna lose the championship on the first corner you think he's gonna be on the starting grid he's gonna he's gonna finish on pole out of out of the qualifying he's gonna be on the starting grid he's gonna oh shit i don't know how to drive a car because that's what lando does his starts are terrible and that's kind of the most important choke artist when they get to the final lap does it go no it doesn't oh that i'm lost it's it could be it could be the greatest race we've seen probably in the last half decade this this year or this this weekend it's going to be amazing three usually the title's wrapped up by now so three cars going for it in the last race

Starting point is 02:08:55 is almost unprecedented it's going to be great the biggest waste of time in f1 history was last weekend doing a sprint race at Qatar where you can't pass anyone. Yeah. And it was just like, hey, everybody do a funeral procession around this track because it sucks. Yep. Anyways, that made me upset.

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