The Steve Dangle Podcast - Best in the World | June 22, 2022

Episode Date: June 22, 2022

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Auston Matthews wins the Hart Trophy but is he the GLOAT? (00:00), running down the rest of the NHL Award winners (16:30), the Lightning take an eventful Game 3 over the Avs (35:00), Florida hires Paul Maurice as their new head coach (1:04:00), Dan Bylsma signs with Seattle's AHL affiliate (1:13:00), updates on the Hockey Canada hearings (1:23:00), and CJ updates the status of two Leaf UFAs (1:32:30). Originally aired: June 22, 2022 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/e--oTLugL10 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Individuals must be 19 years of age or older to open a Sports Interaction account. Terms and Conditions apply. Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://help.sportsinteraction.com/hc/en-us/articles/216779528-Responsible-Gaming-Self-Limitation-Self-Exclusion. Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Sports Interaction is subject to successful AGCO registration and execution of an Operating Agreement with iGaming Ontario. The Eligible iGames conducted and managed by iGO are only available to those physically present in the Province of Ontario. Visit this episode's sponsors: Get 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. That’s 20% off + free shipping with the code DANGLE at manscaped.com. It’s time to get wet and clean with your new MANSCAPED™ Shower Routine." https://manscaped.com/ CODE: DANGLE https://sportsinteraction.com/sdpn https://magicspoon.com/sdp https://athleticgreens.com/sdp https://seatgeek.com/ CODE: SDP https://lightstream.com/sdp https://betterhelp.com/sdp Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Woo! S-D-P-P, the Steve Dangle Podcast, with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go! With a little shout-out to Austin Matthews! Best player in the league! I told you! What did I tell you? As voted by the media!

And the players. And as voted by his peers. Is there anything Connor McDavid can do to surpass him? No. Can I remind you guys that neither of you picked him to win the Ted Lindsay when we did our awards predictions? And that I was the only one. I picked him to win the Hart in like February. And Edmonton blew up my shit.

And I still, and I'm right. So give me that. Please give me this. I was the only one to say Matthews was going to win the Ted Lindsay. I don't know how that happened. You know what? It was a mistake. and i'll tell you why it was a mistake the players really like him like the players really like us

popular so he's he's using his his media his media well no his his no he's it's his connections with the elites ah the elite connor doesn't have the nhl no he doesn't definitely not no certainly not but this is great i don't know this is great uh ted lindsey and the heart and and it's a double way i mean i was talking with uh one of our listeners on on uh on twitter last night uh and once the ted lindsey was announced because for some reason it's the lesser of the two or it's like the warm-up to the heart i don't know why what would you rather win if you had to pick one let's say connor wins one matthews wins the other you're matthews or you're connor which one do you want do you want the one that's voted on by the players the ted lindsey award or the heart

that's voted on by the media. Which one is considered the MVP? I don't, I guess it would have to be the Ted Lindsey. No. No, it'd be the Hart. It'd be the Hart. MVP. So if you're MVP of any league,

you make more money. Hey. You don't get a Ted Lindsey bonus? We have a, I don't think there's a lot of Ted Lindsey bonuses out there. Maybe you don't have to pay as many NHLPA dues if you win the Ted Lindsey. Highly doubt it.

Okay. Highly doubt it. So I think the Hart gets you a lot of money. Yeah. the heart's the original uh mvp that established in 1924 the head lindsey didn't come around until 1971 oh what's up i'm mr history jesse blake that's very cool i didn't know that history i didn't know that ted lindsey was that old to be honest with you 71 yeah not bad wasn't it called something else like the lester b pearson or something yeah that's why okay it's called the

airport award yeah it's called that guy was a prime minister for a while award yeah don't get that but he was he was cool and peacekeeping and all that but it's gonna be really interesting when we have, like, the John Gretchen Award for best defenseman. Yeah, no. Or something like that. No, it's just not something we would do today. No, it's not.

It's not. And good? What does this mean? It's the first Hart Trophy since 1955. It's the first Ted Lindsey in Leafs history. And for teams, players, or sorry, fans of other teams that are laughing at the Leafs, you should.

It's embarrassing that a team that is 105 years old has gone more than half a century without an MVP. That's crazy. 55 zero norris trophies yeah none still never the leafs were the leafs were born before james norris himself just zero i don't know maybe they weren't but the the reality is how old is james norris general dwight eisenhower was the president of the united states james norris 1879 one yeah scary so this is the thing the leafs have at andrew berkshire he was right in 2017 when they did the uh top 100 Leafs of all time he's like wow you don't realize how few good players the

Leafs have had when you look at that list how many of the top 100 Leafs ever currently play for them four at least five maybe five with Morgan oh Morgan's a thousand percent on there Nylander's got to be on there oh come on don't do me you'd have to oh man you know what it seems ridiculous JVR's on the list well he's not anymore yeah he is well sorry he was in the top 100 did they foot up was on the list that's so come on guys yeah that's neil lander's on the top 100 he is like should noz be on the list like dude it's it's rough there's an argument to be made for sure for no it's real rough yeah morgan's a thousand percent on them wow wow wow would conor mcdavid crack it probably not but but it you know it does it's kind of cool as a leaf fan

and i'm sure any team that has had players win awards can relate to this it's cool to see him win it sucks and he said it too he's like i kind of wish i was still playing hockey and if you look at kale mccarr who i don't even think was there he's like yeah that's nice but he was there he was so that so then because i i watched in and out i'm not gonna lie uh the nhl awards are usually pretty boring but kale mccarr i thought the quote that i read this morning was he's he sort of was like i'm happy but not right now please you know yeah he's got bigger fish to fry like he's still he's still playing the games there's more important stuff to be had and the north trophy is kind of secondary right now who's going to be the first to do it do what who's going to be the first to do

it what what if and possibly when colorado drops game four tonight oh come on who's gonna be the first to say kale mccarr was selfish for going to the nhl awards last night someone is going to do it no one's gonna say i thought it that means someone else genuinely thought it no it's gonna happen who's gonna do it no you can't what first time what are you new here steve come on Vince Carter. Vince Carter, man. Now, it's a little different because he had to fly to go do it. I believe the awards were in Tampa.

Explain that to people. What did Vince Carter do? So, Vince Carter, on the eve of Game 7 of the second round of the NBA playoffs, 2001, right before Game 7 against the Philadelphia 76ers, he went to attend his own college graduation. and he came back or went back to Philly. Was it in Philly? It was in Philly.

The graduation was in North Carolina. Not the same place, right? And he had to go back and then they lose game seven and he misses the final shot. Oh, if he didn't go to his graduation. Meanwhile, he was pretty good in game seven, from what I remember. But he missed the last shot.

If that's your take, let me throw this at you. The MVP of the playoffs, Conn Smythe's trophy winner, Kael McCarr currently on the decimal system is at a 1-5-0. The next closest is Nathan McKinnon at a 5-1-3. So if you have an issue with Kael McCarr going and accepting his Best Defenseman Award trophy and you feel like he underperformed, I think you need to look at the rest of the playoffs. Can I just say, watching Game 3, you can easily, it's so easy to identify the players who are doing a lot. it's harder to identify the players who are doing a lot and the a lot is helpful

i don't know if the a lot that nathan mckinnon did in game three was always helpful we're not going to talk about that yeah we're talking about where are you going with this let's talk i was gonna try to transition segment two no we got to talk about the awards we got to talk about our favorite favorite delicatessen in detroit more eats cider right boo more eats cider god that's the restaurant he needs to start before you do cider okay is matthews the gloat uh jonah siegel jonah siegel wrote an article i believe yes yes yes and i listen i i with no disrespect to i think here's the thing matthews is the most technically skilled player the leafs have ever had without question the only thing that i would say holds him back

is the lack of playoff success so if you put george armstrong if you put ted kennedy if you put frank mahavelich ahead of him i understand that because they won cups yeah and i know it was original six era i get it but but you know it wasn't like people act like it was easy to win the cup in the original six era uh ask chicago blackhawks and uh new york rangers fans who won like four nothing you know it it really genuinely the only thing that remains to be done is he needs to win a championship. But it's not the gaplote, which is the greatest player the Leafs have ever had of all

time or whatever. It's like the greatest Leaf of all time. Greatest Leaf of all time. So it's like the Kawhi versus Kyle Lowry thing. Kyle Lowry is a far better Raptor than Kawhi because of the longevity. Kawhi is the best player they've ever had.

You know what I mean? Yeah, that's true. So I think the gloat distinction for Matthews should be held off until he's like a captain he has playoff success like i think that sundin was pretty damn good guys right everybody's a little premature i thought with the conversation yesterday ah this is the greatest leaf ever when there's there's a there's got there's a legends row like you're there's a little he's probably the best player they've ever had your kawaii analogy is perfect because

matthews is is probably the best player that's ever played for the least but doesn't mean he's the greatest like doug gilmore is considered among the greatest and i would compare matthew's career so far to him who if you remember was here for like a minute five years five years five years which matthew's already been here longer yeah so five years put up a ton of points single season record still one individual hardware with the selkie um so that's the comparison but but like you put Gilmore up against Matt Sundin. Sundin's resume, it's just better. So let me show you this, okay?

At the height of the suck era in the NHL, the height of the suck era is 1998 to about 2004. Actually, when the Leafs were very, very good. Dead puck. But dead puck era. That's the height of the suck era. This era sucks. The highest scoring player in 2001, 2002 was who, Stephen?

Was it Matt Sundin? No. Oh. jeremy yager what was the question no that was a good question jeremy yager was number five that year and he had been number one the last two or three years okay what was the question 2001 2002 yes top score 24 years old in the nhl there's a reason i'm asking you specifically me oh what the why would i ask you it's not james reimer it's i know who it is i don't i don't know Jerome McGinley.

Oh, my God. Wow, is he new here? Anyway, so Jerome McGinley in 82 games. I'm so ashamed. He had 52 goals, which is fucking crazy when you consider that he had the most points to 96. That's when he was robbed of the heart. That's right, because it went to Theodore.

Come on, give me a break. Give me a fucking break. Sorry, Montreal, but come on. The next highest score was Marcus Naslund. 90 points. Very underrated in just the grand scheme of things conversation. Oh, certainly. Yeah, yeah.

Marcus Naslin was a monster. The next highest scorer was Naslin's teammate, Todd Bertuzzi, with 85. And the fourth highest scoring player, and I can remember zero talk about this at the time, and I read every Damien Cox and Steve Simmons and whoever else was a sports reporter article. I clipped them all out of the newspaper back then. Matt Sundin, 30 years old, 82 games, 80 points, fourth in the NHL. dude should have been called blitzen because every time he came up the middle he had two defensemen hooking him from behind 41 41 goals that year in the dead puck era unreal matt sanin so good

crazy it's it's just a crazy thing and i just i wanted to put that in for context i think i think you're right jesse the more i think about it because i would have come in today all fired up and be like yeah hell yeah he's the best but he accomplishments matter yes and in this conversation he's got all the hardware now he's won the calder he's won the lindsey i mean if he wins a selkie that'd be great and he could be in contention for it i don't know if he'll ever get it but he's defensively very strong he could be nominated one day yeah hart and lindsey amazing that's so fucking incredible calder calder incredible but he said it best last night he's like i really wish we were playing hockey right now yes and i think it it does matter like doug

gilmore is so held up because that surprising leafs run in 92 and then the next year 93 even though they got swept by vancouver it was like or 4-1 or whatever it was 93 and then 94 oh sorry 92 93 93 94 whatever vancouver beat them handily the second time but but you know you forget matt's also went to the conference final a couple of times twice 99 in 2002 and went to the second round most years yep uh most years they were not out in the first round those leafs um i i think matthew's the next step for him and i think he knows this he's well aware you you gotta i mean In Toronto, you've got to at least get to the third round. Him and Mitch Marner are two-thirds of the NHL all-star team forward group.

Yeah, it's McDavid is the other one, right? Yeah, and they got knocked out in the first round. Yeah. I guess it's a really good team. But it's got to happen. And it's not like I don't want anybody to think it's disrespect to Matthews. It's just the rarefied air conversation that we're having is these are the greatest. In 105 years, these are the best.

If Matthews came out, let's say some rookie, let's say Shane Wright makes his NHL debut next year and he scores 500 points. What, next year? 500 points in one season. Okay, and he will. 400 of them are goals. Ask Canadians fans. He will. You're playing NHL on rookie.

Yeah. He scores 500 points. You're Team Canada. You're playing Team Japan. Greatest Hab of all time. No. No. No.

no no greatest season in nhl history sure most talented player to ever lace up skates potentially yes best hab of all time no no fucks no not even close not even close there's like 18 guys ahead of him it takes tenure man longevity is part of it and now would austin matthews be the greatest seattle kraken of all time oh easily easily right would he be the greatest golden knight of all time probably yeah but again this franchise is 105 years old yeah so it's a little bit different and i'm no disrespect to kraken or golden knights fans but you understand what we're saying i think the greatest seattle kraken of all time does he even play for the kraken no he plays for the leafs you think it's a geo yeah they had a tough season i don't even know who their leading tour

was mccann oh yeah was it most of it i don't know if he still is but he was there he was and then getting injured again that's the the worst sin the seattle i will very briefly touch on this but the worst sin the seattle kraken committed this year was they were irrelevant yep yes like we all expected vegas to be very shitty and very fun and they were very good and very fun the kraken were neither i i still i still am very upset about the response to the fact that i told you i told you before the end before the beginning of last season francis fucked this up francis fucked this up and everybody's like no he's planning for the future no they'll fight no they might even make the playoffs you don't know bullshit they were

terrible it was the roster construction is poor the the direction is poor and frankly it's just not good everyone has it's just not a good yes and their jerseys are cool their jerseys are sick the fans are cool give the fans something to cheer for bullhorn sick it's really sick it'd be great if you heard it more often the city's great it's a great city anyway jeff bezos funded arena oh yeah climate pledge arena by amazon oh jeffrey is it also shaped like a dick like the man himself free you can do it all right so i do want to say this uh imagine uh you have to take an elevator up to the anyway uh maurice cider winning the calder trophy uh huge congrats to him and i was really it was really really interesting i was reading an article

about him in the athletic this morning and i i forgot about this the beginning of this season seems like eight million years ago yes and i'm gonna read this article and this is by i want to make sure i get this right um okay my computer's taking forever to load because you guys are both on the internet right now my internet sucks max boltman yeah my internet sucks max boltman he said odds are you've already seen the clip maurice cider in his first nhl game skating alongside Victor Hedman after a whistle, lifting his stick and swiping the dead puck away.

Hedman coming in to greet the rookie with a cross check as a result and Sider going right back at him. I saw that. I remember that. This was October, the first of what turned out

to be 82 games for Sider in Detroit this past season. But that moment stands out as the perfect encapsulations of his rookie year right up there with his booming hits and clutch late game heroics

because it told you so much about how he was approaching the hardest league in the world at age 20. Unafraid, undeterred and unabashedly comfortable. even when staring down perhaps the best defenseman in the league. And I thought that three-paragraph stanza

was the best recap of Maureen Sider's season that we've ever seen. That's beautiful. That is a kid who plays like a grown-ass man. Yeah. Sorry, what I was trying to find. What's this, Jesse? Oh, baby! On January 21st, 2022,

remember sports interaction.com slash sdp and kids jesse blake put in a bet for the calder trophy did you announce this on the on the show i think i've mentioned it i think throughout the months more insider at the time was a in the decimal system at 3.04 three to one so jesse how much did you put down uh like 110 bucks or something like that jesse's payout for that is 428.64 nice call you were confident eh because you're like a five dollar guy like ten dollars yeah it's i gotta thank michael bunting for not stepping up damn oh shit michael bunting who came third i also want to say i was really happy trevor ziegris got the second place in there he deserved that he did and for for ducks fans you know with with i don't know

what to cheer for in the next little bit here um it's sort of nice to have you can hang your hat on ziegris and milano and all the other guys they have coming up in that system troy terry troy t oh troy terry so a little older but you know with getzlaff retiring and that sort of thing it's the end of an era and cory perry playing for you know three stanley cups in a row end of an era it's tough so it's nice that nice for zegras nice for them and nice for bunting who um frankly i i think as much shit as everybody gives kyle dubas for peter morazic and by the way he's due for that yes you should give as much praise to him for the two-year nine hundred and thousand dollar per year deal that he that he signed michael bunting to man give him praise

for that real good like you can be mad at morazzi give me mad at richie but you got to be i mean come on so i i saw a tweet i don't remember who it was from i'm gonna say kyle cushman he's man really emerging star uh for the least nation.com love his love his stuff follow him right now really ought to um and watch it might not have even been him but uh the leafs have several players who are eligible for an extension uh july 1st or july 13th however it works out because of free agency it's a little weird this year this year so even though they have uh what i just followed somebody named kyle cushman 420 that is not him that is super not kush as in weed because he's an internationally renowned marijuana cultivator that is the wrong guy all right

i'll keep looking anyway where was where the fuck oh yeah uh bunting is eligible for an extension now basically in a few weeks i think kyle goes hey mike and mike just goes nice try and kyle goes well you know you gotta try i wanted to extend you after one year of playing with two of the best players in the world but ah go ahead and do it for another year and we'll talk we'll talk very briefly and then you'll go somewhere with the cap room yeah i assume so here this got me irrationally nerd mad okay and it pertains to the calder because someone tweeted the calder voting from the crosby ovechkin uh draft class or rookie class of 2006 now ovechkin won correctly with a absolutely correctly.

He won with 124 first place votes out of 129. Wow. He got five second place votes, no third, no fourth, no fifth. So five people in the entire world thought, you know what?

Second best rookie. And you can be forgiven because even though he scored over 50 goals, Crosby was alone on the Pittsburgh penguin. So it was Ovechkin on the cap, but Crosby was also a center and he put up over a hundred points. Crosby, Crosby, Four first place votes, 95 second, 19 third, 10 fourth, 1 fifth.

Who were the other rookies? Show yourself! Who were the other rookies? You said four firsts, so there's one first out there, right? There's one. Oh. Because somebody else would have got a first. The other first.

Because Ovechkin had five seconds. Tell me, tell me. To the guy who finished fourth place, so he wasn't even a nominee. so there's alex ovechkin who won crosby who was the runner-up dion funuf who was the other nominee but he didn't get the first place vote it was to the fourth place guy henrik lungquist how good was lungquist season that year uh let me look he was a starting goalie i gotta say before that era dion funuf was pretty spectacular he was and he was i get it just body like devastating uh lungquist in 53 games as a rookie was 30 12 and 9 with a 9 22 save percentage and two shutouts okay i guess

yeah that's real good wow okay that that the the straggling first place vote here's the thing if you don't believe me about dion for enough by the way he had 20 goals in his first season yeah man as a defender 20 goals and the next two years he had 17 17 that season was like handcrafted for him well the penalties were up so that was for and against him but being on the power play all the time how many power play goals of the 20 how many were power like 16 yeah like 18 16 just yeah okay that's crazy so wow but to the 19 people oh okay the 19 people i think can be forgiven because Lundqvist was that good who voted him third

to the 10 people who thought Crosby with over 100 points as a center at 18 years old was the 4th best rookie and to the 1 person who had him 5th, show yourself! Resign! Quit! Who was the 5th?

Who was the 5th highest rookie rated that year? Uh, Brad Boyce Really? Brad Boyce Is that his 40 goal year? Cause that hurt It hurt my feelings I know that Although I did like Owen Nolan as a Leaf He had

In 05-06 26 goals Wow And Marek Svatos, Andre Mazaros Peter Pruka There's a name Marek Svatos, you had to get him in the video games Igor Shesturkin wins the Vezna I don't think anybody's shocked by that

It's pretty obvious We bring up Henrik I like all the people comparing them and passing of the torch from Henrik to Igor. Because they're guaranteed, if he is who we think he is, they're going to get 10 years of success in New York. Because when you have a goalie, that's like 1, 1A, 1B, 1C of just building a good hockey team. So they can do that from here, from the net out. And congrats to New York on a sustained 10-year run of success coming up here. Yeah.

It's good for them. Yeah. Henrik Lundqvist. Looking it up, the Rangers drafted in 205th overall. I hate it. And like, how many of those years when they had Henrik were they bad? A handful? None.

Nine years. They were always competitive. I don't think they ever missed the playoffs. Hold on. What is the playoffs stats there? And Shisterkin, by the way, fourth round pick. Ugh. He can't keep getting away with it!

The Rangers. He can't keep getting away with it! uh how do we get the playoffs dad here nhl play i can tell you right now they missed in 0 9 10 and they missed in 17 18 18 19 so out of 12 years they missed three times other that's lundquist has played in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 playoffs sorry 12 playoffs 15 years he played I was looking at hockey references. He's played in 12 post-seasons. Wow.

Amazing. You know who made a good pick? One pick before Shusterkin. Who? But they still fucked it up. Arizona, with the 117th pick, selected Michael Bunting. Wow.

He went one above Igor? Yeah, who was a really good pick and played for them for exactly never, basically. 21 games, I think. Like, yeah. and they're like hey you're good now goodbye and uh yeah they didn't they didn't is that how he became a free agent they didn't qualify him uh he was he was a rare like group three six group six uh free ufa where for most people his age he would be an rfa but for some reason he was a ufa

and the leafs got him for nine hundred thousand dollars for two years good deal uh let's let's talk about game three colorado gets two goals in the first nine minutes But only one is actually allowed You don't want to talk about Roman Yossi getting jobbed Oh Well we talked about We already talked about Makar What are we talking about with Yossi

Yossi had more first First picks First place votes For the Norris A lot of people saying he got jobs Do you think he got jobs I think he was my pick for Norris wasn't it I think I was the only one who picked Makar

It's unfair it's unfair because he hasn't played hockey in two months now makar has been the best player in hockey well he's been the best defenseman in hockey for the last two months right but that's not how it's voted on is it no it's voted on october through april and that's it cuts off i think the playoffs proved that they made the right decision i kind of yeah he's pretty gosh darn good I think Roman Yossi, though, deserves credit for turning around players that were not scoring very well on a team that does not score very well. Like, does Matt Duchesne have the season Matt Duchesne had without Roman Yossi? I don't think so.

And also, oh, yeah, some of Yossi's numbers aren't great, underlying. I'm like, I don't give a shit. I would encourage you, too, to watch Nashville games. I don't give a shit. Watch Roman Yossi next year in the regular season. And the only reason I like to tune in Nashville games is because we went, but also because Terry Crisp used to be on. and i used to like to try to figure out whatever the hell he was saying but he's retired it's a shame um but uh uh we've all seen kayle mccarr he's in the finals everybody all 32 fan groups

have seen kayle mccarr how many of you can honestly say i've seen more than a shift of roman yosi i guess he's been around no no this season how many and i'm not saying i'm not calling out this show i'm not even calling out you who listen to this show because the people that listen to this show like if you're seeking out a hockey podcast you're an intense hockey fan kyle mccarr gets here i got it for you kyle mccarr gets more highlight love yes is your argument that there wasn't enough national attention on roman that's what my argument is and and i'm not saying the colorado media i'm not saying that roman yosi doesn't believe it i don't say i don't i don't think that roman yosi deserves the norris now like looking back it was probably like he had 96

points though it's like top 11 all time it's not just it's a crazy season it's not about points it's not you're right uh no i think then i think what nashville fans should do is cry about the colorado media and then complain about this for years and years i think that's what they should do i think what it is though is before people discount the fact that roman got more first place votes than kale mccarr did watch watch a few roman yosi games the guy's unbelievable he's really really and they and the nashville predators are a different and i know this sounds like a cheesy take but like they are there's there's the predators with yosi on the ice and then they're predators without and the predators without are pretty fucking mediocre they're like

a 22nd 23rd place team without him on the ice that's my thing well i mean uc sorrows propped up a lot yes he did a lot of bad things connor ingram the most controversial thing i think about the whole norse trophy uh voting was not that mccarr one because he rightfully should have won it's that charlie mcavoy got one first place vote which bought which i need to know what does show that information that information's available i think in a in a season where you have yosi and mccarr and headman who finished third charlie mcavoy receiving a first place vote is a kind of ludicrous now the vast majority of years macar yosi and headman their numbers this season would be enough to win the norse all three of them but only one of them was allowed to win

i mean he's good he's very good extremely good dare i say elite oh but uh i wouldn't take him over either of the other three those three seasons that those players had like i don't You're not disrespecting someone by saying they're fourth best out of hundreds. Out of every NHL player who plays defense in the whole league, I'm saying McAvoy's probably the fourth best. I don't think that's disrespectful. He's not the best right-handed defenseman in the NHL. Like, dude, that's Kael McCarr.

What are you doing? What are you doing? I want to know who that vote is. Do you maybe grade on a curve because you look at McCarr and you go, well, the Avs are sick? But it's Boston. He plays with Boston. I don't know.

i don't i don't even mind like headman got four first place as well i don't mind that i could i understood the argument there that's what yeah um okay let's get into game three guys because you keep bringing me back to the awards and everybody wants to hear about game three so the kill uh the uh sorry the ilia mckay colorado avalanche the no no so dan millstein says ilia mckay of no i'm kidding how much did the media influence i didn't say that i'm just saying watch watch roman yosi play i could see why he got a lot of first place votes why did the toronto youtube channel is is headed by an avalanche fan it is actually producer drew you know what he swayed the vote blame it on drew you did at producer drew underscore did the toronto media sway the heart trophy voting

uh why morgan riley didn't get any first place matthews won oh the heart heart i said heart sorry my bad well maybe they did but did the toronto media then sway the players too yeah ah yes a lot of them are from here ah wait so they definitely would want an american to win if they're from here i don't know no listen hey nine months out of the year or whatever matthews is canadian he doesn't need to be canadian to be a toronto maple leaf i don't care i'm telling you he is i know i don't maybe even play for canada next time we go well that would be nice um him and mcdavid can we talk about fucking game three guys all right what do you what do you think of the vesna honestly well deserved uh but i thought jack should have got

it i hate it here i hate it here can we please talk about the fucking stanley cup guys shelgren didn't get enough called okay let's uh talk about game three like i said colorado gets two goals in the first nine minutes but only one is actually allowed uh do you think the uh kale mccarr potential offside i guess he's not that great yeah should that have been called offside oh boy it's so close and now here's the here's the black and white rule that doesn't work that everyone needs to knock it off is well you see the puck has white on both sides of it my friend my brother in christ have you ever been on ice what happened steve snow what it's ice what are you talking about it was it was close enough to the blue line that it was i thought

there was a margin of snow like it could be snow but i mean then we're talking pixels and pixels and it's very hard but i think it's i think i'm allowed to say it was offside and also knock it off with that rule it's oh there's white on both sides of the puck that means it's so you say it was offside though i didn't think they were going to call it offside it was extraordinarily close what do you think steve i thought it was going to count what do you think it was though i'm trying to ask you what you think i thought there wasn't enough there to overturn it i thought it was on side okay all right jesse blake what do you think i thought it was offside and the whole i had a huge issue with a certain part of how that video review went down and why is that what

happened mr john cooper you don't get five minutes to make a decision here totally agree if i'm an avalanche fam i'm fucking pissed off why does he get eight minutes to decide hey oh let me take another look at the replay on my foot why i'm gonna look down again the ref's gonna go to center ice to drop the puck call him back get your two fingers up and call him back to the so you can make the call no you get 30 seconds or whatever it is and that's it 45 seconds i think it is after the puck goes in and that that's it you don't get two minutes you know why john cooper took that long because if he gets it wrong he gets a penalty yeah now what have i been saying all playoff long that should be a valid challenge we're talking a margin of millimeters here

if tampa failed that challenge they shouldn't be penalized for it yep no the rule is bad you should lose a timeout and that's it you shouldn't get a power play for the other team you shouldn't go on the penalty kill maybe maybe that's it because like coaches we can all agree that coaches heavily heavily abused the ability to review offside and goal interference the year it was introduced whatever year that was certainly it was awful there was no point celebrating goals but there's no timeline no time limit on the amount of time it takes for them to figure it out to there should be a time limit on if they're throwing it back to new york or toronto you got a minute guys give us your best assessment in a minute on the people who are reviewing yes

they should be on a clock too i agree with the clock so that review how did it feel i'm because i was covering it you guys were watching it in real time how did it feel because i know how long it was frustrating it was frustrating i find the feel what do you mean like how did it feel long did it feel no i feel like once they did the review they got the review pretty quickly it was four minutes and 15 seconds that's too much from from when from the moment the challenge was issued then we're talking uh 20 minutes because it took john cooper 18 minutes yes he's right that's true actually get the challenge going i think if you're gonna make a rule and you're not gonna like but if you're gonna make a rule for a time limit five that sucks

it does suck but that sucks we had there was a review in these playoffs in a tampa game i think it was against it was from the tampa panthers series nine it took so i guess that would be an improvement yeah dude there was a review that was more than double the length of that one yeah well and i think the thing the thing that's happened with with all the camera angles and all the technology and the ability to short the blah blah what's happened is in in the um in the quest to get things perfect we stopped getting them right and what we need to do is look at the fact that what do we do what do we do this for what are we doing entertainment why do we put why do we have fake ice in the middle of california in dallas texas in tampa florida why

do we have that and we put this stupid rubber disc with a bunch of carbon fiber shafts why do we why do we do that we do it for science it's all exactly science we do it for entertainment as you said jesse and i think at a certain point we need to look at the overall product of the game and the reality of it is if you can't get the call within a couple of minutes of seeing all the replays and they should be able to see the replays very quickly and if you don't have the staff to do it then staff it if you can't tell then you can't overturn the call if it takes you that long to try to figure out whether or not the call was right then you don't know you don't have a conclusive you just don't have a conclusive eye on it and the call has to stand that's what like

especially the angle that the nhl released after the game we saw that it's like okay that looks like an offside to me i felt like it was offside from the beginning that was just my personal opinion but i didn't know and then you see the nhl's sky view thing which they for some reason don't show on the broadcast because the nhl won't release it i don't understand that guys this doesn't need to take this long it's a hockey game and i know it's the stanley cup and i know there's millions of dollars on the line but people are fucking bored yeah enough like the game is supposed to be entertaining you already have two commercial breaks in a row at the end of the third period for no reason what are we doing let me throw one thing out there because i already feel the comment

section yelling to me i thought it was on side in real time that does not mean i think they got the call wrong i trust that they at very least got the call right and saw something that i didn't Like the angle that you mentioned. Yep. So relax. Anyway, my thinking is whether or not you thought it was an offside or not, I do feel like they need to put those guys on a clock. Nick Paul, another big goal game winner.

How how did he return to that game? That was that. How did he return to that game? He's back. Really? The way actually the way he went down and then the way he skated off the ice and the way he was helped down the tunnel. I'm looking at him and I'm like, I'm not a doctor, but I'm pretty sure I just saw a man's

a doctor explode. like i thought i was like his groins messed yeah and he's done for the season yeah dude comes back and scores the next goal of the game are you that's the tampa bay lightning in a nutshell yes how how do you you're fighting an army of the undead well and do you know how injured braden point must be to not be not playing yeah he's got to be playing sub 20 well and that brings me to the tase cross-check on kucherov john john cooper said that kucherov's ability to handle pain is the reason he thinks he'll be back in game four but i have two questions for you jesse and steve on that because as soon as i saw that i'm like i wrote this down i'm like i gotta know

number one jesse and steve as far as you know tase cross-check on kucherov this is a two-part question so please do not extrapolate too much part a is that a legal play in today's nhl that's all i'm asking you i'm not asking your opinion except for the opinion on the rules is that a legal play in today's nhl yes jesse uh i just want to watch it back yeah it's a push yeah it's a legal play okay answer part b yes should it be no because we know what's going on there and what's going on there tell me what's going on there is taves is pushing down he's basically taking like the crest of kucherov's pelvis and pushing down putting oh i hurt when he said that that's that's exactly because jesse has it

up right in front of me oh yeah he's digging it's it's it's really easy despite the fact that players are covered in all sorts of equipment and padding it's easy to go over the lip of the hockey pants press down oh yeah there's that fucking bone right there there's basically the bread basket of the entire human body the axle yeah and i'm gonna push down on that and i'm gonna fuck everything up i'm gonna fuck up your hip i'm gonna fuck up your groin i'm gonna fuck up your knee and i'm gonna fuck up your ankle i'm looking i'm looking at kucherov all of the body parts i just mentioned are fucked up i'm like and i'm sorry there needs to be some sort of change to the rule where you can just go you know what that's fucking greasy you should be able to watch

that at in real time i get it you should be able to watch that replay and be like yeah no kucherov's not diving he's not doing that on purpose that's that's someone ruining all of his joints on his left body up on the left side of his body at once i as someone with a fucked up all the things i I thought this was personal for you. Yeah, no, well, as someone who's extraordinarily tight and has done a lot of work over the last two years to repair my body, that would have, I'd be,

I would never walk properly ever again. Like, if Devon James did that to me. Are you kidding? Like, the way he pushes down, there's nothing Kucherov can do to alleviate his situation there. Like, he cannot protect himself from that unless he just abandons the puck.

i suppose it all goes back to are you allowed to try to injure your opponent a little bit you're allowed to injure your opponent legally yeah and devon taves did and i just feel like anytime someone is injured we need to evaluate should this be allowed i don't think there's anything wrong with that sometimes you might come to the conclusion yes yep it's a if we're gonna to have a contact sport here listen you can get a concussion you can get whiplash from a hard hit to the chest you can get winded you can get this you can get that you can get any myriad of injuries do we live with that we do live with that we live with that i don't like it i don't you know it sucks i mean the players get hurt yeah but there are certain

injuries that like uh it's like ken dryden said in his book about you know steve monador there's injuries that are unavoidable yeah bad shoulders bad knees bad hips things like that but is that the kind of injury you want to have i know someone who has a who who played college soccer in the states oh i bet his knees are great uh concussions really concussions they had to retire because of concussions wow because you're not supposed to slam your head into a soccer ball get out yeah apparently or if you hit it improperly or if you get tackled the right way fall down like it's impossible to protect yourself from all injury but i i'm trying to find the words there's some can you suspend someone one game for greasy and you just go you know that was greasy two minutes

you can't do that like we saw a ref like accidentally like just little part in the curtain when he said you can't do that because he forgot what the penalty was but he knows he can't do that as McCauley and you don't think

Dave should be suspended for this you're just saying no I don't think he should be suspended for it but also like if Tampa here we're starting from the wrong place the the place the place is should taves be suspended let's start from i don't think anybody thinks that no i don't i agree and i don't i personally i don't think you should be suspended but philosophically okay let's start with kutrov doesn't play tonight

let's just say for the sake of argument all right he can't play tonight because he's injured and he's injured because of that okay is what taves did greasy not really a little bit greasy also uh judge i'd like to present some new information please to the courthouse tell me uh let's hear the the cross check slash push was also in response to kucherov running manson into the board from behind yeah also bad also bad i'd like to i'd like to i'd like to make the argument that my client was acting in self-defense and in response to kucherov also being greasy because if we're suspending people for greasy plays mr kucherov you're number one on the list this is why hockey's just nuts because we hand out assault coupons and and because never heard it put that

way before yeah because kucherov hit manson from behind and all right greasy and yes greasy and every player on the avalanche now the the problem is the team has to share the one coupon and devontaeve said all right i would like to cash in my assault coupon please and so he took it out on kucherov and you know it wasn't a frivolous use of the coupon it was pretty good This is a good use of the coupon. So it's fine. Yeah. This is the problem.

There are all sorts of things that are not allowed in the sport. Only a percentage of them are called. So you can make, because precedence does not matter. We've already established that many, many, many, many times this season. Precedence does not matter. It's a lawyer's dream. You can make an argument for fucking anything. We're starting from zero.

Every single time. You're always starting from zero. should he be suspended no ask me five minutes later should he be suspended yes for five games ask me five minutes later should he be suspended no it's just a fine like that's

why I've started responding the way I have Steve what do you think that should be I don't fucking know like I yeah it's we all seem to agree that it's what should it be and what it will be are two different things right it's a different question we two hits have been suspended these playoffs two two there's been

three suspensions total. Kyle Clifford was one of them. Kyle Clifford. Oh my God. First game of the playoffs. Fuck me. Looking at that hit now after all we've seen since.

Colton didn't even leave the game. It was a bad hit. It was a bad hit. Bad hit. He got a five minute major. All right. And he got kicked out. Darn old nurse.

Finish your list. Darn old nurse for frigging Mountain Goat and frigging Philip Deneau in the head. Perron would have got a big suspension had he connected on that elbow with Kadri.

but he didn't he didn't yeah and then uh kane who did he hit oh my god um colorado i forget i forget how did cadre get injured oh it was cadre no how did cadre get injured again oh it was kane on cadre yeah wasn't it it was a vander kane on cadre wasn't that like a rough hit was that it was a cadre went in you know what yeah you're right yeah it was went in awkwardly and i thought it was like a shoulder or neck or something he went in and i think i think his hand split apart and that fucked up i don't i don't know that's totally true there it is steve that's twice you've made me cringe oh my god yeah no that's uh you can't do that yeah i'm sorry oh fuck i forgot how greasy that

was yeah sorry i've watched a lot of hockey over the last little while jesus yeah so there's been three suspensions total and that wasn't one of them. Like Corey Perry getting up on JT Comfer's leg on purpose trying to injure him. That's okay. It's fine. Or unforgivable.

Depends how we're feeling. Depends how we're feeling. The precedence is like, okay, is what Corey Perry did to JT Comfer worse than what Jared Spurgeon did to Pavel Puchnevich? What Jared Spurgeon did is the

biggest crime anybody's ever committed on ice yep well that's sarcasm it is yes but like again there there's no the national hockey league has no precedence for literally anything so that's why these conversations always take half an hour okay because you're starting from oh steve should this be a suspension well there was the big bang and we think that we can still hear and see it if you look out into space millions of years later the earth was formed like fuck we have to start from the beginning with everything game four well actually i have a couple more questions if you're jared bednar bednar yeah why from the east coast i don't know you're jared bednar who's your starter kemper or francis kemper all right stop that people are asking who

oh it's people asked i'm surprised to see brian elliott in game three people asked him first off he was pulled kemper was pulled second people asked him after the game and he wouldn't confirm it brian elliott brian elliott should have been in game three as well you think they should have pulled vassy he said he said no he said that kemper didn't have a good game but neither did the team and would not commit to who was going to be the starter for game four vasilevsky by the way uh 37 saves um kemper left the game midway through the second period having surrendered five goals on 22 shots according to evolving hockey he had saved 2.25 fewer goals than expected he wasn't good that's a yikea if i've ever seen one wow some bad game required um

it's it's not the same goalie controversy as we've seen in the past no like i'm trying to think of like um luongo and cory schneider remember flurry lennar flurry lennar they Halak Price. Halak Price was a big deal at the time. Halak Spring, baby. Yeah, yeah. You know, so it's not along those lines because neither of them is as good,

but also Kemper has missed time in these playoffs with injury. So if Kemper does not start game four, I think it needs to be because you think he's not 100%, not because he can't go right if you think he can't go yeah go to franco's and you should be comfortable he won you an entire series against conor mcdavid you know um but if he's healthy i think you gotta go kemper i think i think you gotta go kemper because that's your starter and you're about to go back to colorado after this game and i think he needs to be your starter in colorado okay okay um a couple of little bits of trivia before we get to the coaching carousel

in the nhl there's more news even since this show has started really yeah um a little bit a little nothing crazy but like just some interesting stuff so i want to ask you guys quickly firstly going into game four don't expect to see brayden point or kucherov and or kucherov they're saying kucherov may not be able to play but again cooper said he might be able to come back but he didn't think for game four he's gonna play burakovsky is still out cadre is still up but bednar thinks he'll be back in this series probably everybody's assuming game five yeah um how many cup finals in a row have we gone without a sweep now uh since 1998 and who was that was that detroit philly or detroit capitals uh in 1998 yeah it wasn't 97 98 it was uh philly philly yeah detroit philly

because detroit capitals uh 97 no detroit philly was a sweep was the did the capitals win against detroit in order the devils you know the answer to your own yeah 23 years ago yeah in order the devil swept uh the red wings then the avalanche swept the panthers 1999 so yes it's the capitals So it was Detroit Capitals 1999 is the last sweep Because Detroit swept two finals in a row Wait there's 95, 96, 97, 98, 99 That's five

I know but I'm asking you when the last one was 98 99 actually What the hell were they in order Jesse has it up Am I wrong I think you are The 1998

Stanley Cup Detroit 1999 was Dallas Dallas over Buffalo Oh The foot in the crease Yeah, yeah Right Okay, I got my ears mixed up

But anyway, it was Detroit And it was 23 years ago There you go And it was versus the Caps I don't know why Yeah, okay Ron Wilson's Washington Capitals All right, another one

Another one This one will be better I promise Ready? Avalanche and Lightning Have combined for the most goals In a Stanley Cup series Through three games

Since who? And the goals total Is 22 22 goals in the first three games What year? Who was playing? And how many games Did it take to award the cup?

Post 0405 or pre? I'm not going to tell you that So we got a guess Oh my god I remember the beginning I could be wrong But I remember the beginning of St. Louis, Boston Being really high scoring

Was it St. Louis, Boston? It was not St. Louis, Boston Jesse, just throw a guess out there It doesn't really matter Yeah, yeah, no I'm trying to give a good guess I'm going to guess Fuck you

I'm trying to give a guess That's not complete dog shit Like somebody else Wow How about the anaheim ottawa series anaheim ottawa no anaheim did not light ottawa up no uh the year 1982 no can you name the two teams that played i know you can name one of them islanders obviously and i who did the islanders beat in because people forget there was a pretty damn good

teams that they beat in the finals before edmonton everybody talks about 83 and then 84 but no one talks about 82 81 and 80 the habs not the habs on this one you get next all right i saw oh it's the vancouver canucks oh they beat the vancouver canucks for nothing in the stanley cup obviously four to zero that is uh but yeah 22 goals in the first three games uh the and it's it's funny because it wasn't actually that split like the islanders beat caducks five uh sorry six five and then six four and then they kind of shut them out at home uh three nothing and three one wow yeah it sucks uh the flyers in that little run from 80 to 85 they went to two stanley cups and in 80 they had to face the islanders and then in 85 they had to face the oilers yeah like just

into their prime islanders and then just into their prime you're a flyers fan through the 80s You're like, God damn it. And they had to wear those stupid Cooperalls. Two Cooperall teams made it to the finals. The Vancouver Canucks with that big dumb V that was supposed to strike fear into the heart of the opponent. It didn't.

And then, yeah, the Flyers, same thing. And they all, during the post-game scrum, died of dehydration. Just because there's this big sweater. Your grandmother knitted that. First of all, they got a microphone like the size of frigging my water bottle here. That's right.

Tied to a Marantz. And they're just like... By the way, if you don't know, a Marantz is an old recording device that we used to use before iPhones, and Marantz's are 20 pounds. It's the size of a Meade five-star binder. That's right. And maybe that's another old thing. And they just go, hey, person who looks like the Crypt Keeper because you're so dehydrated. There was something between the Marantz and then like iPhones that was like a little, a mini disc.

Was it a mini disc player? There were mini disc recorders and also digital ones. I had a digital one. I had a mini disc and then I had a digital. the digital one changed my life because i used to put that stuff in my itunes and then use it on my thing it was i used to head of its time record video on my ipod touch and hold out the recorder and people thought i was stupid but i was like the audio is good and i have video and no one else has video except for the big company why would you want video yeah stupid dude in

2009 it was dumb people thought that was dumb