The Steve Dangle Podcast - Black Lives Still Matter | June 3, 2020

Episode Date: June 4, 2020

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve can't stop arguing with trolls (00:00), more NHL players have spoken out on racial injustice and the death of George Floyd (15:00), James Dolan, the NY Rangers, & the NY Knicks (37:00), Kendall Coyne Schofield's apology (40:00), how do we make sure we don't lose momentum? (47:00), working mornings and sleep(57:00), Adam's history corner! (1:05:00), and Leafs game-winning goal trivia! (1:18:00). Originally aired: June 3, 2020 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/iOaN7fRsjGk Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

panago pizza presents s s d p p the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake let's go well here we are i don't even know how to begin shows anymore man i i don't even know where to start um but talk about that talk adam start with the basics what happened in the game last night you know if i get another stick to hockey tweet when there's no hockey on i i think i'm just gonna well i'm not gonna do anything actually because i don't at least have the balls to tweet me stick to bundesliga and korean baseball and if you don't have the nuts to do that and shut up so you were talking about that is shutting down the show like yeah hockey shut down so if we're sticking to it let's just do the same and i'm not sure if you're aware but like this is

technically now our summer season because because the season's going to start in august and we could have gone down to one episode a week by now there's not going to be any hockey till at least the first of august so uh we may have to look at doing that in july anyway uh just because we might need a break but you know ultimately i think uh uh i think the fact is it's pretty tough to stick to hockey when there isn't any and uh you know what i want to say i want to say i really appreciate the uh the people that reached out um last episode over the episode thank you for listening you know these subjects are not easy but as as the world is finding out uh you need to have them and it seems like a good chunk of us are and that's that's uh that's exciting and uh fulfilling

and uh and i i you know i saw you like protests today like in belgium uh for you know for what's gone on and and uh you know and obviously we'll get to some of the new statements because you know jonathan tase and sydney crosby and a few other stars have come out and and kind of like a waterfall uh since our last episode you know some more descriptive than others um but you know hey something is better than anything at this point um but i guess i want to start with the fact that i was so blown away with the comment section on youtube uh which i rarely read but i i went in and checked it out and other than getting called a simp a few times by a bunch of fake accounts like it's pretty amazing excuse my dogs uh it's pretty amazing that um that so many people

decided to put so many positive things in there oh it was good amazing yeah yeah i avoided it this time no it was good not the answer i was prepared for yeah no i i and that's i wasn't what i was prepared for either that's why i was i made sure i was in a room with people when i read the comments just so i could bitch if if uh if there was an issue um and uh why are you laughing steve i was drinking and i wasn't ready i wasn't ready for that it's not good to go through comment sections alone you should never go through them but when you do go through them you make sure that you're at least some you're in the room with somebody so the sometimes i'll be looking down and just i have i have angry eyebrows if i don't think about them and sometimes my wife will just

it'll be silence in her room for five ten minutes but she'll just see me looking down at my phone and just go what and she's right i'm reading something that i shouldn't be right well and on that subject i want to is that where we're starting yeah so we've talked about this a few times and we talk about this all the time off the uh off the air about not responding to people that are clearly trying to troll and the best part about this morning was some of the tweets that we got uh regarding the actual episode now you know it was in in response to jesse posting the the link so if you saw jesse's link it got it like 1500 likes 210 retweets uh the last episode yeah yeah yeah uh and that's big on twitter uh and you know today's today uh jesse's comment was

today steve dangle adam wild and i recorded a podcast it's titled black lives matter we talked exclusively about social injustice injustices in the black community i hope that you take the time to view it you know so naturally with a tweet like that with a show like that as somebody who's creating these shows you expect that there's going to be some people who obviously not with their real names uh but come out of the woodwork and and say what the hell they're gonna say not people adam andrew eight six nine six two four one eight nine six one actually jesse it was andrew six five one zero one one six seven and the six seven feels intentional drew so andrew six five one zero six seven said dude i know i can't understand but i had to turn this

off racism is bad and whites need to fix it i get white people are mostly guilty but clumping us together doesn't make you sound any better than the problem racism goes beyond whites jesse so here we have a white let's let's never white explaining racism to a black man uh which i love not it's not a white person adam it is a white computer program like it wasn't a real person it was some it was a twitter account that's clearly a bot that's just churning out these comments with whatever whoever it's tagged in and then it kind of inserts name or whatever and then it just but the guy who's slipping down in his chair right now said hey today i'm gonna have an argument with a toaster today i will defeat trolls for all and so steve responds adam and i said it too because

it's true open your mind and heart which is a very thoughtful comment but i wrote steve back and i wrote steve steve i love you and this is not a real person and steve said back eight numbers in the name and exactly no tweets before today damn now i want to go back to something jesse said toasters have a wide range of emotion and some of you have not watched the brave little toaster and it shows we just did not watch the sequel the racist little troll bot post toaster all right i never saw it it was less popular but it's a movie you might as well just yelled at your toasters yeah so so here's the thing who has whomst has not whomst among us has not yelled at their toaster well i have that wimpy little flap at the bottom that sole purpose is just to

Spill crumbs all over the place. That's true. They have not figured out a toaster that doesn't spew crumbs. I haven't. I don't know why that is. Like, where's Dyson with their fucking – Dyson or Apple need to come up with a toaster. A Dyson toaster?

Yeah. It costs $800. But you'll never, ever – I'll pay it. There are footprints on the moon and crumbs on my counter. It makes no sense. It's true. Find me a salt and pepper shaker that worked, too.

Find me, like, or a grinder that worked properly, that actually worked. Show me one. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is just some of the comments underneath this were very funny. And typical SDP listeners, the real ones are very funny. And what I've always said is watch out for the people that have no profile picture and a bazillion numbers in their name. And if you have no profile picture and a bazillion numbers in your name, and I'm not talking about two or three numbers, or even four, you might have your birth date in it or something like that. I'm talking about seven or eight. If it starts to get into phone number territory or credit card number territory, you're not a real person. And, and somebody actually responded

and said, well, Hey, wait a second. I'm a real person. This is the name Twitter gave me. And I said, I was going to say it back to them, but I didn't, I think I need to announce it to the world. If that is your Twitter name, then I have the right not to take you seriously. If you didn't want to take your Twitter name seriously, and you took the name that Twitter gave you, then I have the right to believe that you're probably a russian bot which 99 out of 100 times you are um and and this guy actually came out and said that this is a burner account so this is somebody that listens to the show that that wrote a burner account just so they could respond to this and for that reason to me invalidates their opinion and because they won't stand behind it and number

two is who gives a shit and and that's where i have to bring on steve because steve we've talked about this for years especially and jess and i used to do this too to be very reactive and jesse was like stop every time just stop what are you doing all right we can't all be perfect jesse perfectly chill zen jesse all right we can't all be having a great day level-headed about everything i drink one coffee i gotta say a couple days jesse i gotta say after the last podcast i've never received so many dms and i've just for the last two days all i've been doing is trying to respond to all these dms it's like over a hundred maybe and then you know and then steve responds i'm glad that i'm spending all of this time only answering all these people have so many positive

things to say and i sit here with my two co-hosts and one of them just decides hey you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna signal out the one guy who's probably not a guy and comment back to him because he had something negative to say yeah open your heart open your heart i'm gonna defeat racism with this tweet you know steve went to war this morning he won the troll wars sorry it's over russia's quit russia's quit exactly the other thing about this that you need to know is that there was somebody who made a really good point in the thread and they said adam if this person this person could be a listener at which we found out they are yeah and they could be somebody that listened to the entire episode now if you go back and you read the actual

comment the comment but why would we do that was extremely generic it's like it's not all white dude's problems jesse like you could have looked at the at the black lives matter on the on the title wrote that and not listen to a single single minute and that's that's where i kind of go yeah no that's too generic or you did listen to the whole thing which is more concerning now yeah which you know it would be which would make more sense because remember from the howard stern movie the people that hate it listen longer now yeah it's you're ignorant or dumb strawberry or raspberry they're both ice cream sir what so um so i got different flavors so i got to uh i got to read this because this is hilarious at original sin 33 because i said uh andrew uh 65101167 was not real

say his whole name damn he wrote he wrote hey now andrew 65101167 comes from a long line of six five one zero one one six sevens his family crossed the ocean on four five two three nine nine seven one and helped settle the town of two one eight five two nine eight show some damn respect respect to you original sin 33 because that is funny yeah um but i am well aware that i do not take my own advice even the advice that i wrote in my own book yeah well i get mad it's relevant. It's relevant to what's actually happening. Cause this is a funny little story about Steve, but there's a lot of like trolls out there just trying to get you going and telling them the fuck off. It might feel satisfying for about three seconds, but it's not, it's just a

waste of your time. Like, you know, it's not, it's not like engaging in a spirited debate with a person that will stand behind their home. Their own name is one thing. Uh, engaging with trolls who are literally just trying to get you going and are not real, uh, is another. And you got to remember there are people at home it's like the south park episode with uh stan's dad it's like oh i just do it for the lulz uh kyle's dad kyle's dad sorry kyle's dad i just do it for the lulz man and that's really it there's like a thing that people get off on and so you just just leave it let it go you know there's a bunch of trolls out there and uh and you know tell people who are real people to open your heart because there are real trolls like you said who are distracting

from the actual issues there are people who are elected politicians big ones ones in very prominent positions that are trying to distract from the actual issues that are going on and those people are just trolls on a different level so if we could all refocus and pay attention to what's important here i think it'd be a better place that's right thanks steve i guess thanks dad i really need to talk dad so let me ask you this did you wake up bring orange slices to their coach i know i'm a child i need the vitamin c did you steve um um uh did you did you just roll over and sort of wake up and answer that is that what happened or because that that can happen right where you read the comment before you read the name yes it's it's been a bad habit

of mine uh particularly over the past two weeks or a week just because i it's never been like this where every single time i check my phone i expect to learn something new because i often do it's wild and man i i went to bed like there's seven or eight hours worth of stuff i don't know if i'm lucky um and yeah that was just uh that was uh that was a mistake and uh i steve uh glenn legally uh would like to admit that i uh maybe shouldn't talk to andrew six nine four twenty whatever the fuck now last episode one of the major talking points was the lack of nhlers coming out with statements and of course right after the episode comes out jonathan tase comes out with a beautiful statement a podcast jinx i am behind yeah hey we'll take it um i'll read his

in a second but first i want to start with the biggest biggest name in terms of leadership in the game and you can say Conor McDavid is a better player and I would agree with you but Sidney Crosby has been the number one star in this league for 15 years and there's no other way around that he still probably is right now the more marketable name in the states and uh I I think it's important when guys like him speak up now it's still crickets from Conor McDavid still have not heard a thing but Sidney Crosby through his foundation did reach out and said what happened to George floyd cannot be ignored racism that exists today in all forms is not acceptable while i am not able to relate to the discrimination that the black community and minority communities face daily

i will listen and educate myself on how i can help make a difference together we will find solutions through the necessary dialogue and collective effort so there's something there's something yep yep yeah well and and the moment the foundation posted it the penguins then posted it sportsnet then posted it it was retweeted over a thousand times and it spread just like we said it would and listen you know i i saw some people go oh this is you know shades of michael jordan from uh the last dance and he's just a private person and he doesn't want to get involved or or say anything michael got involved michael made a statement michael finally did yeah republicans buy shoes too tweeted something about this so like all i have to ask is was that that hard

you know what i mean like it got out there it means something that it got out there that he said it and good and now and now what the silence would have spoken so much louder than the actual words he did come out and say like he's not saying anything means so much more than saying something in this situation and just like we said last episode he does this he does this he does this he does that great here is a another really simple thing you can do it's and he did it yo let's be honest it's a fucking layup man like it's not hard to issue a statement and donate some money and like this is not a hard thing to get behind like it's just so it's a pass i don't even know if it's a layup like he doesn't have to do any work technically like somebody in crosby position could

send a text or an email to people who can handle these these things for him who can write these statements send them out and donate the money so if you really didn't do anything that's that's crazy like that speaks volumes so the fact that he did something is okay yeah thank you there yes yes thank you yeah that's what it is and then some people went even uh above and beyond you know suban donated uh was uh fifty thousand dollars to george floyd's daughter and he didn't stop there he got the nhl to match it um and patrice bergeron stuff has been coming in so fast patrice bergeron made a 25 000 donation today and i don't remember who it was to tom wilson has pledged money as well um a lot of good words a lot of good action it was amazing too like

that what he wrote about the the program that he was talking about um you know i mean i would encourage you if you're interested to go check it out i don't have it in front of me right now i've actually got something else up that i think is important to the discussion as well um but what tom wilson wrote really like my like blew me away and it doesn't surprise me like the guy i've had my differences with the way the guy plays on the ice but um there's no question that in that community he does incredible things and and he you know did it again and came and showed up and that is what we're that is what anybody was asking for it's just showing up now let me ask you this there's two things i want to hit here uh the first thing is connor mcdavid uh because let's just be

straight there's been nothing and you know i don't i hate to i hate to put frame this in terms of of is he now beholden to say something because we don't we want this to be authentic uh but i don't see how it could be inauthentic when someone's murdered on camera why the silence why still he must know i really i don't know i don't know the question i don't think like it's bad at this point i can't come up with an excuse bad advice if you're taking if you if you have a team around you that's saying no no no sit this one out here's what i'm gonna i'm gonna throw this at you so this is a music industry equivalent of what sydney crosby sort of used to do taylor swift one of the biggest artists in music and was the top grossing

tour for like seven straight years you know you can love taylor swift's music you can hate it i don't care um that's really not the point here the point is she was massively and is massively successful. And for a long, long time, because she came from country music, she wouldn't say anything that would decry the Republican Party, that would suggest to her followers that she didn't agree with some of the values that are associated with some of the music that she creates. Now, I'm not saying, I'm not putting country music in that category, especially country music. And like country music in Canada is very, very different than the States. And it's It's very much aligned with what you would say are Canadian values on the whole.

But, you know, country music in the States has been very quiet in the past when it comes to these social issues. And a good chunk of that is because it's mostly white people, right? And again, it's a progression. Things have changed. We've seen far more of a response from country music now. But I can tell you that the Taylor Swift playbook in 2012, 2011, 2013, 2014, whatever, was to say nothing politically. When they tried to, and I interviewed her around that time.

Now, I wasn't trying to, like, trap her into questions. But there was a lot of trying to push Taylor Swift to talk about things like gay marriage or things like, you know, anything. And the first time that you ever heard Taylor Swift talk about anything was in the 2016 election. And she was talking about her home state, and she was talking about a Republican governor that she was hoping that she was coming out against. She was supporting a Democratic candidate, and it had a lot to do with Donald Trump running. and for a long long time her people were freaked right out that her saying anything would affect her album sales would affect her merch sales would affect her ticket sales now she's come out she said that she's already broken out on her own and none of that's been affected nobody looks at

Taylor Swift like no no Taylor Swift fan is like well she doesn't she stood on the right side of history I sure hate that and I think that's been the playbook for a lot of these NHL guys for a long time. They might have their personal beliefs, but I believe as Logan Couture said, and Jason Zucker eloquently pointed out as well, being silent and being supportive, being silently supportive is not enough. And for Taylor in this particular instance, now she's come out, she's very, very much flies her flag of what she believes in and probably more popular than ever. And she hasn't really put out the strongest albums of her career in the last couple of years, but still massively successful. When you look at what the NHL could be doing, and I'm relating

this specifically to Conor McDavid, you don't, people will not forget this. This is not an incident that is small. We are now on day nine of massive protests worldwide. So a small three sentence, four sentence statement goes a long way, as we saw with Sidney Crosby. You know, three or four paragraphs as we saw with jonathan tase and many many others i wonder what on earth could be holding them back and i wonder if it's just bad pr reps i don't know man i'm just i really don't know i know i told you that long long-winded taylor swift story to tell you that she's more popular than ever because she stands for something when i when i got uh when i was put into mornings at virgin radio the head of programming for iheart radio in canada said to me um if we're

going to give you this gig can you make us a promise and i said sure and he said fucking stand for something and i said what do you mean by that and he said you can't you can't be neutral on things anymore important things and that was a message for the entire show and adam got up there and said go habs go go habs i freaking love them no but but that's the that's the point here is you got to stand for something, especially now. And this is not a hard sign to stand on. No, this isn't even Republicans wear shoes too. No, no.

What are you going to say, racists wear shoes too? Like, right? If Connor McDavid wants to not say anything and just shoot pucks and skate around for the rest of his life, then okay, you can do that. but that's how we're going to remember you like we're not going to think of you as anything more than that and that's disappointing that's sad and we're we'll judge i i'm personally going to judge him for it because his silence like we've said it says a lot so that's how he's gonna we

remember the people like you said adam who stand up for things who who have said something in their career and use their platform for good and go beyond sports and if conor mcdavid doesn't want to do that then okay do that but don't expect anything more from me for sure yeah 100 100 and i and i i think that affects i think that genuinely affects um and i this would just be my personal opinion but that plays into more than just hockey like hockey has tried for so long to sequester itself oh he's a great leader on and off the ice well off this is the off the ice right and you know you want to be captain of team canada one day forget it i don't i just don't see how that like and and here's the thing hockey's dumb enough that that'll still happen but the reality is that

it's not going to be there's going to be a segment of us and i will be among them if you if you don't stand up and speak now then i'm going to have a really really hard time swallowing that and i don't care if he wins 80 gold medals i don't care yeah it's still going to be hard to forget this moment no it's so easy no exactly and and you know you could come up with something as as as vanilla as mitch marner statement which is i don't know what to say and uh i'm gonna sit back and listen that's fine i mean i said the same thing on the last show i was saying i was saying i didn't know what to post and i understand that point of view i get get where he's coming from sit back listen absorb right you're not gonna be on the honor roll but it's a passing grade right but at

least he he acknowledged it uh he didn't acknowledge the murder directly uh but you know i i think i think it's i think it's okay to say listen i don't know what to say so i'm just going to sit back and listen but acknowledge it you have a platform and i think conor mcdavid's got a responsibility to do that i would be shocked if by the end of the day we haven't heard something now that crosby's out with something i feel like mcdavid's going to yeah and ovechkin by the way did as well just right after our show yeah yeah so and taves i think was during um and i will say i so i directly criticized the bruins last show and if you're gonna come late bring donuts and they came out with as good a statement as any nhl team has so they were late but at least you know they came to

the party prepared uh and a lot of the players that we saw post after our show um i thought had some of the better statements so i mean sometimes it takes time to absorb and make a statement maybe you're okay maybe you're working on it but uh yeah i'm 100 with you guys it's got it you got to say something eventually trying out loud just looking at all the statements one thing i'm going to remember in at least in this moment right now is ben and jerry's like oh man you can't be behind ice cream ice cream company came out they said hey this is not the result of a bad apple it's because of a bad system we hate racism they explained jim crow and segregation and jamestown and james and then they outlined ways to combat racism and systematic uh prejudices against the

black community like it's an ice cream and i i that's sticking with me anytime i'm in my metro across the street i'm looking at the ice cream counter i want to get some ice cream like i'll be ben and jerry it's also really good also yeah it's also really good but yeah that's when i'm walking down the ice cream aisle i'm gonna be like i'm getting ben and jerry's you know because activism legitimately it's gonna stick with me but that's always been their brand they've been like that

for 50 years i had no idea yeah oh yeah i mean uh the the cherry garcia ice cream is is named after um uh jerry garcia uh the famous guitar player and they they have been like i believe ben and jerry were both like two hippies who were like serious like really you know pro civil rights and uh pro equality and stuff before it was uh before it was just it was something that was codified in the law so it's funny that um it's not funny and it's not surprising that they came out with that because that's been the company mandate from the beginning and it's funny to see an ice cream company do that but it's i mean what an impact and so your brand if your brand is good ice cream and anti-racism you are just you're winning life like that's your legacy here's the question what

great legacy. How is not every ice cream brand such? You know what I mean? Or every brand. This is not hard. This is a very low bond we're setting. What a ridiculous conversation. It says so much about the world that anti-racism

on a serious note, anti-racism is still a thing we're fighting. That's what this whole thing is about. I'm 61 and I can't believe we're still protesting this shit. Have you seen that like i saw that at one of the rallies different now one other thing of it one other thing i think we need to discuss well there's a few other things as of yesterday morning i believe

the red wings senators and new york rangers had not issued statements about this as of now the last nhl team to not issue a statement regarding um regarding what's going on is the new york rangers now that's not when you when you know how discombobulated things are with the knicks and the rangers not entirely surprising um however you would think as i said last episode that gary betman would be hounding those guys to say are you like come on guys are you kidding me the new york rangers are a more valuable hockey team at least recently than than the toronto maples they're valued a bit more because they're in new york and they're the new york rangers uh they are you know they are one of the biggest names in the sport and while their global brand might not be as big

as say like a leafs or something like that they're flippant huge and such an important part of the nhl's revenue such an important part of the business model they've got insane fans who are who love them and are of every race and creed in a metropolitan cosmopolitan city like new york and it is surprising and a city like new york that's seen a ton of protests it is surprising to me that they have not come up with anything yet and you have to think that comes from the top well james dolan did speak on the issue and said that none of his uh the teams he owns will be making a statement that guy sucks he's just the worst that guy sucks so bad and he owns multiple teams and multiple sports right yep and it's like washington's football team you know oh their their name is

literally a slur and they're like they put out a black square yesterday like are you kidding me and the 49ers oh the 49ers a lot of they were out of all the this use i saw yesterday they were the biggest this you yeah yeah can i can i read dolan's statement please do we have clarity on the issue um he said we know that some of you this was an email to internal employees we know that some of you have asked whether our company is going to make a public statement about the killing of George Floyd by a Minneapolis police officer. This is a turbulent time in our country. The coronavirus and civil unrest have taken their toll on our way of life. We at Madison Square Garden stand by our values of respect and peaceful workplace. We always will. As companies in the

business of sports and entertainment, however, we are not any more qualified than anyone else to offer our opinion on social matters it comes straight from the top and it's garbage so that's what he said that's why he's not doing it you know it's it's funny you could give james dolan a roadmap to um like the exact roadmap to heaven and he'd end up in hell like he's just he's just the guy that makes the wrong choice at every move and you wonder how he became a billionaire like you just you're like and it's sort of one of those things that you just don't under it's like you give him the instruction manual to us like an ikea piece of furniture and he can't build it you know like he's just it's so easy it's so easy the answer is right there and he can't do it and

i think it's because a guy like him it i wouldn't even i don't even think it's a it's a reflection of his whatever his opinions are i think it's just because he doesn't like to be told what to do and he flips off the world every time you know if you ask knicks fans how they feel about this guy and what a pain in the ass he is and and how terrible he treats people i mean charles oakley a knicks legend how he treated him and uh i i just i i don't i don't understand how james dolan ever was successful because he is such an unsuccessful um uh guy that just gets in the way of everything he's like the rich eugene melnick he really is um you know he's got real money i don't know how he did it i don't know much about his background but he is one of the

worst leaders i've ever seen in sport it's crazy he's a throwback to the harold ballards or the the family that used to own the the blackhawks uh who i think still actually do on the blackhawks but their grandfather the words yeah the words yeah uh do they still own them they do um i'm trying to grandfather was like a way out of touch yeah i forget was it bill yeah i think it was kept the games off tv and everything um he was um he was put in positions by his father it sounds like no um because he originally worked at uh cable vision and then his dad sent him to like a radio station to be the ceo and then he came back and was the ceo of cable vision that's kind where he made all his money i don't know his wikipedia page is very vague but there's not

like a big story about like him making all this money so it was his dad i don't know because it's like trump it was all his answers are here but it's just his dad yeah you get the visionary father who in most cases a huge dick and then you get the son who's just a huge dick without the vision it's crazy and the grandfather who was arrested at a kkk rally that's right yeah there you go but we're not ready for that are we no but we're not ready so i just i i'm sorry jesse go ahead i was going to add it also notes here that uh dolan once lost 250 million dollars in a failed whiz electronics business so whiz whiz is a electronics company he once started a store a retail chain and he once lost 250 million dollars running that business into the ground quarter of a billion

dollar sorry i'm sorry after the keandre uh uh miller incident and you're the only one left you have to say yeah and you ought to be ashamed of yourself well if i'm the top i bet i bet the i bet people who work for the rangers are mortified by this how do you think people for the knicks feel a predominantly black employed team yeah like how do you think how do you think the Knicks players feel who's going to sign in New York Kevin Durant and and uh laughing laughing at this guy couldn't get anyone anywhere no one's no one's going to New York no one's going to New York in the NBA and and because like who could play who could do that and then in the and with Keandre Miller for for example like this he's a kid he's been thrust into this against probably

his his wishes he certainly didn't want to be the poster child for for this you know a couple months ago when it happened i was just trying to answer fan questions exactly and so how do you think he feels when his own organization won't stand up and that's one of those other owners in either of those leagues i try and get james dolan out of there i try and make him sell that team because you don't want that person in your club this is what we're trying to do here we're trying to eradicate people who are unwilling to stand up to racism and james dolan is clearly on that list and if you're one of the other 29 or 30 owners in the leagues you don't want him in that club no a little your little group where you're affecting a large swath of the world you know

can i give you an idea of the of the bare minimum they could do keandre miller himself released a statement on twitter on june 1st so this is two days ago this is monday the day we did our last show it's i don't know 250 words several paragraphs really thoughtful etc etc the rangers last tweet of any kind was may 30th they didn't even retweet them like like we're talking bare minimum bare minimum stuff here they didn't even do a black square they didn't do nothing they what was their last like let me see the next either the next or nothing maybe they're uh i hope the employees are protesting him their last like you know a tweet from may 29th my little goalie just signed up all the way from

louisville kentucky she's so excited like you haven't touched the new york rangers 1.4 million followers you haven't touched your twitter account in five days yep and tony d'angelo even even came out with a statement and that guy you're behind tony like and that guy called people racial slurs in his junior career for which we don't i don't know if he's ever apologized uh that i don't know i don't know this is really pathetic looking at yeah yeah they've done wow like you're behind and and tony d'angelo is like well he's making about the looters now on his twitter because of course he is but the listen i'm i did bad at some things in school i got a i got a few 20s and 30s on it you didn't even hand it in yeah something anything brutal yeah i went

showed up to a class uh in university i think it was an english class and i didn't read the book that uh we were doing the essay on so i handed it a blank test wow you didn't even try i don't think i've ever told anybody that story wow man i didn't know the book i didn't read it dude it was a nice test and so so that this would never fly in university but this this was a high school thing this was a teacher trying his best to extend an olive branch to uh like a student who just clearly didn't care and he was going to do the same thing on a test he's like i didn't read it i did not read the book and there was a question on it like write an essay about i don't remember what the book was and the teacher

teacher just goes there are there's marks for spelling and grammar write anything and he read it aloud to the whole class and it was literally like i like chicken i like pork too sometimes a good old beef hamburger chicken is my favorite and like and like he read it to the whole class and it was great and he only got like i think it was like a two out of five two out of six god it's something we got something yeah what do they tell you in uh when you're grading on a curve zero is a killer one is like a million times better a zero will murder your grade it will just destroy it uh and and i mean in this case it's your public image so i cannot believe that the rangers and nicks uh wouldn't but then i can then i can now right another thing i do want to

talk about and i think this is a positive thing ultimately is growth there's a lot of people who are going through a lot of growth and a lot of people who like myself just were blissfully unaware that any of this existed uh you know if you were to ask me when we started this show about most of this stuff, I would have had zero understanding of it. I would have known racism existed, probably not to this extent, and had no idea, even a fraction of an idea of what it's like to grow up as a person of color. And this being on this podcast, being exposed to many, many, many different points of view has really helped. And obviously, what's going on in the world has really helped. And that's why I want to shine a spotlight here on Kendall Coyne.

uh kendall klein scofield now um a tweet from 2016 so disgusted with color colin kaepernick soldiers fight for this country every day so you can make millions now you contrast that with yesterday when she said black lives matter not just today every single day we must choose to educate ourselves listen and act to resist the oppression and injustices that stand in the way of that vision hashtag blackout tuesday now uh there were a lot of people who were like uh that was a this you thing this you you now she came out with a statement later and i think this is really important she said i was one of the people who initially thought colin kaepernick kneeling was disrespectful i reacted to what he was doing instead of why then i listened and i learned

instead of just deleting a misinformed tweet i posted four years ago i should have been clear back then and now not just knowing it but i should have said it so let me be absolutely clear it was never about the flag it was never about my family members who served wasn't about me it always was and is about george floyd and the countless others who came before him it's about justice and equality i know better i will continue to do better to me that looks like growth yeah and you have to well you and i was gonna i wanted to open that up to you guys because i think that there has to be um some room for that right we are trying to educate people which means that their opinions from four years ago probably going to be out of date i know mine

certainly are uh yeah right yeah i think the i think the whole idea here of everybody speaking out is to change minds because that's that's the only way any change is going to happen is if we get a collective consensus that racism is bad and it is prevalent in society and that we need to eradicate it somehow or at least create a system where it can't be exploited so the fact that she was willing to speak openly about that I think is so powerful because that's the entire idea here the entire idea is to change minds and hers was changed so you can't say enough about how great that is i i'm just i'm reminded of the uh michael che thing that i retweeted earlier where you know he was trying to explain black lives matter versus all lives matter and just the the little part

where you just go racism's bad like that's that's holy shit that's what we're fighting over right now like it's ridiculous you even have to say it and we're not we're not even trying to change minds like from four years ago we're trying to change minds from like last week before you saw the george floyd video we're hoping that since that point uh a couple weeks ago when we were just eating hot dogs on youtube live that since that point my god now on june 3rd that your mind has changed and that you've taken the time to research some of these things and realize what is actually happening in the world and the issues that matter to certain communities and how they're being affected and that your mind is open now and changed so you you blew my mind with that

message last night you're like by the way we ate hot dogs on may 1st yeah it was like what oh my god what what a decade this last month has been right um it's crazy the rudy gobert announcement that he had coveted that was in like 2012 i know i remember tom hanks at it yes that was the next day in australia or was it that night i can't but yeah like yo okay man man like david airs did that really happen are we sure i think it did enough remember when we were outraged enough things have happened over the past three months that we can just forget that happened yeah i think stop stop changing that you can't ever forget why oh the video right yeah well yeah what's what's what she said was terrific and i

don't think you could ask anything more from a person right now especially in this climate well and and i don't blame people for asking the question like hey you did write this you know you should be accountable for this um and she was uh i don't blame people for asking the question uh but i do want to caution a little bit against too much of the gotcha thing like well we've uncovered the next racist there are enough outward racists um i think what we want to do is evolve opinions and you don't do that by uh my favorite term tap dancing on someone's grave you know what i mean you don't do that by saying nananana boo-boo you do that by saying hey listen that that's not a good look and when you can finally get them to come around as to why it's

not not only is it not a good look forget the look it's it's not a good and accurate statement period it's an ignorant statement but she stepped up to the plate full respect it's awesome and that's that's leadership that's acknowledging you're wrong and she's a leader especially in the women's game i mean she's a huge star um we need stars like that to step up and look at that the women's game stars will step up i mean name a star in the pwhpa that has not stepped up like every one of them have said something and we're still talking about how the certain nhl teams and certain superstar nhl players still haven't said something like it's yeah sure is interesting sorry to go back to the rangers but like like jesus lord it's not even

that they haven't said anything it's that they did say something and then it's that they're not going to say anything else right if i were to counsel conor mcdavid if i were to counsel james dolan what you don't want to do is wait for your first interview when someone says what do you think and why didn't you say anything you don't want that i think you'll have better luck with mcdavid than dolan well no here's the thing mcdavid would would say well it's obviously bad and i don't like it and you know like a typical hockey player speak but you don't want to wait for somebody to ask you take the initiative step up say something that's what the expectation is you want to be a superstar in this game in this day and age can't sit in the sidelines anymore

man it's time and we'll move on from that so um i think you know when we talk about where the nhl is going with this and you know i i you know with with pk donating his money with tase with his statement crosby with his um you know very uncomfortable conversations coming in the nhl and i think uh uh the 31 thoughts podcast sort of gets into this as well how do we make sure that we don't lose momentum because this has been a problem before there's been a lot of words not necessarily been a lot of follow-through and i don't expect us to solve that today but what what do we do in within the hockey community and this is our tiny little corner of it to not lose that sort of momentum because this is you know when hockey comes back and

you know maybe things calm down although there's an american election coming so things are not going to calm down um i i it's easy and i and it doesn't need to be something that that is like there's like some big sweeping thing my worry though is that you know we have these conversations these things happen everybody's got everybody means well and then in a week or two or three something else comes up and we lose momentum and i think especially in hockey we've seen some progress. And I would really like for that to continue. What's that got to look like? And you mentioned the 31 Thoughts podcast, and they did have Kim Davis, the NHL's Executive Vice President for Social Impact and Growth Initiatives on the show, their last episode.

And it gave me some hope because she is a black woman. And she talked about how going forward, it's about creating that real change and she spoke about getting the nhl into the communities where they don't see the nhl she had a son who uh grew up playing sports and he did not play hockey because he didn't he didn't feel invited to the hockey team it was predominantly white and he chose a different sport because mainly because he didn't see it you know he didn't see people like him playing hockey so if instead of there's a lot of community outreach within the NHL game right now the NHL does a great job of being in these small towns but getting them into these places where people don't see hockey players and don't see hockey at all is so important going

forward and when the game resumes when you're allowed to see people again and you can go out and do these community initiatives it's so important for these nhl players and their different foundations and outreach programs to get into situations where there are young black kids so that they can grow up and understand that hockey is a great sport with a lot of great people in it and that you can grow up loving this game and a lot of great things will come out of it But until different communities, people of different backgrounds, until they see the game, they won't have an understanding of it. So I think the NHL, as long as they start right after this

and they start moving on those issues, then something can actually change. Ryan Reeves was on the radio with us today on Sportsnet. And he talked about that representation that was really important. You know, if you go, you know, to a hockey camp and there's, you know, black children there and children of, you know, other ethnicities, you can't just show up with 10 white guys. You know what I mean? Even if they're really good hockey players. You got to, you know, you can show up with some, no one's saying you can't, but you got to show everyone this is what hockey looks like. You can do it too.

You are welcome here. But I think that's really important. Even if you're even if you're showing up with five guys, five white guys, don't just take those five white guys to the white neighborhoods, you know, take those five white guys and plump them in the black communities. It'll do wonders for hockey. Give it a shot. I think I believe that Kim Davis will try that, especially if this if this spotlight doesn't stop shining on these issues going forward. And let me add this in there. Like, what do we do going forward?

when you speak out about something the reaction from people has been largely has been largely positive but the reaction you want is not one of pleasant surprise you know what i mean you want this to be let everyone know where you are when blake wheeler spoke up first everyone was like absolutely that makes perfect sense because we've known the kind of person Blake Wheeler is for a long time

when Braden Holpe said what he said of course there's countless receipts for Braden Holpe go Braden good for you don't be the typical yeah you know pucks in deep give it 110% hockey guy that

that's all you do don't just be that. Don't simply be good at hockey. It's not even don't, it's you can't. Yeah, and you can't. The effort that it took for the players to say what they have, I think was pretty minimal compared to the impact it had.

So don't let it be, don't let the reaction to the next time you speak out about something be one of pleasant surprise. Interesting. I definitely, through this whole thing, I always go back to, hey, this happened 100 years ago. This happened 50 years ago. This happened 25 years ago. This happened in 2014. This happened in 2016. Black people have been dying at the hands of police for a long time, and the system's been in place for a long time. And I definitely worry that, okay, we did this, that we saw all the riots this past weekend. We did these things on Monday. Okay, we had blackout Tuesday, and now it's Wednesday. And maybe by Friday, oh, hey, we have another news cycle, like internally. So I carry that with me that I'm like, okay, I don't want these people to, we have momentum here. Let's not stop this. Let's keep talking about these issues. Let's keep having these athletes talk. Let's keep having people in the media talk about it. So, yeah, it's definitely a concern, but we can't really worry about the future. You just got to keep working towards it, right?

Right. Absolutely. The darkest sign that I saw was, you think it's bad now, wait till they let him off with no charges. And I was just like, holy shit. But even that changed just a few minutes before the show began. And Chauvin has now, I think they're upgrading the charge to second-degree murder. And the three other officers involved are being charged with something as well. I don't know if it was announced before the show. And it's because people didn't let up.

That's why. They didn't do this out of goodness of their hearts. Because people forced them to. i think uh minnesota has also filed a human rights complaint against minneapolis's um police department i believe i read that today i don't know what that means but uh and i don't know yeah it sounds great but i just don't like is it a paper move like what does it mean uh what will the outcome of that be other than hopefully i mean maybe this is the best outcome a gigantic review of everything going on it's funny because a lot of things are coming out

about the department and they've had a massive review before they had a um an openly gay i believe it was the police chief and she gained some national spotlight i believe when obama was president he had met with her and all this stuff and then she got uh she exposed all these uh problems within the organization and then she actually herself got into trouble with the, within the police community. I don't, I don't have the details. I don't have the story up in front of me. And I don't want to just guess on it, but yeah. So there has been a lot of trouble in Minneapolis with their police force.

Can I say something exposing my own ignorance for a second? Sure. Minneapolis St. Paul is the last place I would have thought something like this would have been the touch point for. um it just is i i wouldn't would never like you could give me most american capitals and it would be like among the last i just not my impression of the state not my impression of the city um and uh i i was very very surprised maybe i shouldn't have been shows how deep-rooted the issue is right oh yeah 100 no i really the thing is i'm not gonna lie i was like minnesota yeah

Well, exactly. And it could, that's the thing though. That's you, you, you, you touched it. I think Steve is that it's deep rooted everywhere. I mean, I even saw, um, I don't know if you guys saw the video of the, uh, the protests happening in Seattle, which is also known as a very progressive city. And there's, it's like a bird's eye view from a building looking down and there's a line of, uh, riot police and then there's protesters and throngs of protesters, nothing happening and then all of a sudden you can see the pepper spray come out people start running and then the uh tear gas comes out and they you know they then they really disperse um you know it's that's the that's the stuff that you're like for what reason oh adam you might be asked to apologize

for saying that tear gas is tear gas oh what the white house literally asked uh reporters to issue a retraction saying that their tear gas was not tear gas. It was in fact something that was basically tear gas. I don't know what that is. We live in the upside down. I don't blame you for not knowing what that is because there's something every five minutes. This is why people

are sleeping two hours a night because something happens every five minutes. This is why I wake up red-eyed and tweeting at Andrew69Takashi I thought through this whole thing you'd be getting so much more sleep because you have nowhere to go now you don't go into like the sportsnet offices

you'll have to come down and record the podcast with us why aren't you like fucking sleeping 12 hours a day oh naps you guys you guys are lucky i'm jealous of you because i'm not jealous of your schedule but the fact that you guys have the ability to nap it's like i'm an eashl player and it's i don't have napping in one of my slots it's just not in my abilities you can't nap i nap probably i'm not kidding once a month wow i nap almost every day i have to god i'm so jealous i think that means steve you're getting enough sleep yeah maybe no it really doesn't adam and i nap because we wake up so early yeah like we're up at four a.m we gotta a nap just misery you know what you know what's great about being up at 4 a.m is you don't you

don't wake up and open twitter first thing when you wake up that early you're just trying to just be alive so that was the one nice thing about doing morning radio in the summer uh about a year ago is uh it was nothing except like a couple australians and british people i followed like that was it yeah both of you did morning radio on the fan right yes how did you guys handle the games the night before I always wonder exhaustion just exhaustion I woke up in red I mean I would watch them as much as I could but you know there's also like like to to suggest that you could sit there and watch every game when it's baseball season and there's 40 million of them going on right uh sometimes there's double headers like you need to you need to read

And so I would get up early to read a lot of things and the J's suck. So it was pretty easy. Like this is going to, they're going to lose and who are they trading Josh Donaldson for? That was basically the question. And then it was Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii. So I listened to, well, the Hawaii stuff was very helpful, but I listened to the overnight radio on the way in. No, that's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, you do need to know your stuff and you do need to watch part of the game.

But the reality is with most games, the way ratings work is most people pay attention to the first part of it and then kind of drift out the ratings kind of go whoop and then they kind of sink down as the game goes on because people go to bed they have lives they've got kids to put down they've got you know whatever so um you got to catch a little bit of the flavor of the game figure it out and talk about it and you can talk about events that happened in the game without having seen them live you just have to see them you have to make sure that you saw them um so i'd always have the highlights on and um i was you know yeah yeah i lived right across the uh the street at that point from rogers oh

yeah so i would just put on uh sports sports center on my uh sports net app and sorry sports net or uh on my sports net app and i would uh watch it as i walked over the thing because no one was on the road right so yeah and i also it helped that greg brady is like a encyclopedia like he's like a photographic memory so if i didn't know something he could pick up the slack and Hugh Burrell is probably the kindest human being on the plate. The list of nice people that I've compiled, Hugh Burrell's at the top. There's a lot of people that you put at the top. But Hugh is the best.

He's so great. And so, you know, he always had his updates and stuff like that too. And the thing is that with morning sports radio, it's a trend thing, right? It's never just the game the night before unless there was like a major event. It's the Leafs have won five of their last six. Right. they won last night but it's five of their last six let's talk about that and they'll and they bring on guests and everything else but if i was like a um if i was just doing like a

hockey show i think i would probably stay i'd watch the game to just suck it up and be tired but um you know it's hard it is hard it was something i could do because i knew i was doing the show for a few days yeah you know what i mean it's not a sustainable way to do the rest of your life yeah i had to do man i had to do uh highlights for the sochi olympics and my shift started at midnight and that was something i was able to do for i think it was four days on three days off three days on or something like that it was the only reason i was able to do it um is because it wasn't like if i didn't have those three days off i don't know how I would have done it. It would have been impossible. I like, I did not change the way

I lived. I've always said in this and shift workers will know what I'm talking about here. It's harder to jump into a shift, uh, than it is to do a sustained over years. So, you know, when we talk about like rotations that, that, uh, firefighters or like paramedics or whatever would have, uh, it's tougher on the first day than it is any other day. Um, and eventually your body finds some sort of rhythm. But if you're like, whenever people come up and they like sub in on a morning show, and they're like, wow, this is so hard. I don't know how you do this every day. And it's like, well, that's because you're not your body's not accustomed to this. And it's going to be hard. And so you do have to remember that too. Like there are doctors and nurses that

are on rotating schedules for their whole lives, right? So it's like, well, this week, I'm doing days. And then next week, I'm doing evenings. And then the next week after that, I'm doing overnight into the early morning that is crazy hard and the worst advice I got throughout all that is because I'm like okay in order to not die throughout all this I have to sleep when it's light out and I had difficulty doing that and I was told I'll take melatonin and so I took melatonin which I don't even know exactly what it is but basically it makes you sleep and I would wake up like i'd been punched in the head repeatedly while i was asleep just completely disoriented and uh a bunch of my friends who are shift workers mostly paramedics were like no

actually over a sustained period of time that's terrible for you yes it is because it makes it it makes it subs in your melatonin yeah because melatonin is something that naturally occurs in your body when you're trying to fall asleep and wake up like it just kicks in automatically based on your uh circadian rhythm so the if you're taking it all the time and just using it all willy-nilly you're ruining your body there steve where were you when you discovered you were the dumbest person on a podcast with your name in it jesse uh jesse's one of the most uh or at least has been in the past the most uh dedicated uh sleepers that i've ever known like he goes to bed when you go to bed i try like i've been slipping a little but i tried like 7 30 to 4

a.m this is my consistent what was that word you used your circadian rhythm isn't that a bug no it makes the buzzing noise in the summer it's a circadian are we doing a press conference today yes yes yes let's do it the Steve Dangle press conference all right today's press conference question comes from Steve looks like he needs to say something oh go ahead Steve what is it Steve I just wanted to read a tweet of actual hockey news oh okay good good this is good it's from Greg Beachum who works for the Associated Press Ducks GM Bob Murray so he did a press conference like right at the beginning of show uh bob murray says he tried to stay out of the dressing room this season to allow dallas

eakins to coach but now he feels that was a mistake in in quotes that was a mistake some of the kids were allowed to get away with murder this year and that's over accountability in this group is going to change which sounds an awful lot like dallas eakins is getting fired or a bunch of ducks are getting traded that's a pretty strongly worded statement from a general manager don't you think yeah especially one that's done everything he can not to assemble a good team for the last three years sure seems like blame placing to me and uh i don't i don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the position that the ducks are in they're the ones that signed all the bad deals they're on oh here we go connor mcdavid good all right uh this is great what you

get when you ask i guess read it steven like everyone else i watched the horror of george floyd's murder and felt helpless and sick to my stomach and as i have watched the many protests against racism and social injustice that have been taking place around the world i realized that i need to do more to educate myself dot dot dot that i need to learn more about the history of racism in our countries plural and to listen to the voices and the perspectives of the black community and other racial minorities to try and understand how i can help to affect positive change going forward as a young white male and pro athlete i recognize that we live a very privileged life i believe that the time is now for all of us to get out of our comfort zones not to sit idly on

the sidelines and to be part of the solution to ensure that we end racism in our society connor mcdavid great they're awesome well said that's perfect if you come like donuts yep that matters yeah okay jesse the press conference question comes from connor mcdavid hey connor no it's just it comes from ian ian at sask leaf fan uh on twitter no it's the saskatchewan leaf adam can you tell me about when western canada was settled love the show uh get some canadian history in this new segment canadian history uh okay so Western Canada is an interesting story because Western Canada almost became

Western United States. For instance, at a certain point, Fort Calgary, which at the time was just a fort, flew an American flag for many years. Yeah. And the 49th parallel, right, that runs along, that wasn't agreed to until much, much later. So what happened was the British had some fishing rights and there was a fellow named George Vancouver who discovered a lot of the B.C., what is now B.C. kind of coastline. So they had some sort of settlement there.

And what they couldn't agree on with the Americans was where their settlement ended and the Americans began. And especially like, you know, you guys remember Oregon Trail, right? so there was thing there was the the whole thing was america was trying to settle that that part of the world and and manifest destiny which is a very american concept um was part of like they we want everything west of here basically and the canadian government and you know at the time the british government um agreed because they didn't want to go to war again on uh some boundaries that existed but for a long long time you had british columbia And then you had Upper and Lower Canada, which are Quebec and Ontario.

And then you had New Scotland, Nova Scotia. You had New Brunswick and Newfoundland, which didn't become a Canadian province until 1949. And so during Confederation, one of the major things that Canada had to do when they had their conference in charlottetown um you know guys like george brown and johnny mcdonald and you know other people that we've never heard of before because we're horrendous at teaching our own history unless you went to george brown did you go to george brown no no um george brown actually is one of the in terms of founding fathers in canada uh one of the most important because there was a lock they were locked in and he compromised with sir john mcdonald allowed

sir john mcdonald to become the first uh prime minister um but what they did was they said okay the first thing we're going to do is build a railroad so we build it right across the prairies so that we can tie both ends of canada together that was what the thing was because at the time you weren't if you wanted to go to bc you were literally sailing around the southern tip of south america if you wanted to go from nova like it would have been faster and easier to do that than it would have been across the country because the country is huge it's such a big place it's wild and at the time there wasn't much in the way of settlement uh going on beyond like i mean there was there were settlements and that sort of thing but you had play the the plains uh native canadian

aboriginal peoples uh you had a significant metis population and a lot of them were fur traders and trappers. Uh, and what they did, uh, was they, um, when they built this railroad, they would actually give certain counties. So you would bid on sections of the railroad. So if you were, let's say you were the, I don't know, let's say you're Toronto and you have, you're responsible for building this part of the railroad. You would get at least to you from the government and you would be given a timeframe to build it and you would be given a budget. And if you came in under budget, you got to keep the money. So the government would say, here's $100,000, build this section of railroad. If you build it for 50,000, then you get to keep the other 50,000. The problem

with that strategy is that there are certain spots in Canada that are very inhospitable and very hard to put a railroad track over. So what happened is a lot of counties just went under, just completely got destroyed by this financially because they thought they could do it cheaply. They ended up not being able to do it cheaply and they ended up bankrupting themselves trying to get it built because they had to they agreed to build it right so like a bunch of them were just like hey let's just try and do this for 5 000 bucks and keep the rest of the 95 and then it was it was kind of considered like economic stimulus too right it would help build communities around the railroad track because they knew from what they saw in europe and what they saw in the united states

that community sprung up around the railroad and that's what they needed they needed people out there so uh and a lot of um a lot of how they built um the railroads through the rocky mountains was imported chinese labor which was cheap almost free and they treated these guys terribly and tried to send them back afterwards and i mean the first asian communities in this country were because of uh labor and specifically railroad buildings so it'd be chinese or Japanese people that had come over were treated horrendously, given nothing, died. The death rate is, and I don't have it obviously on hand, the death rate from the TNT detonations alone or falling off a cliff or whatever. You can imagine chipping away on the side of a mountain, sitting

on a plank, like a two by four with a rope. And that was it. And there was thousands of feet below you. And you were lowered down there at the beginning of the day. And you were hopefully brought up at the end of it that's that's how it went it was crazy but it doesn't happen here oh oh deep-seated racism here um so then uh then what they did was and this is because they were uh and this was there was racial policy here as well um they wanted to pull immigrants uh who were great farmers in from europe so they went to eastern europe and they went to places like the ukraine um where and that's why you have a lot of ukrainians in western canada because they were great plains farmers they the the the um the wheat farming which in canada is great is also

enormous in the ukraine so that they could bring poor ukrainians over who knew how to farm wheat that was really good because the western western canada is the breadbasket of the country and especially back then it was really important so you have a ton of ukrainians coming out on these on these trains um you have native peoples as always in north america pushed to backwoods reserves um you have uh buffalo herds they would stop the trains if they if they found a buffalo herd and literally just shoot all the buffalo um and and leave them they wouldn't take them with them they wouldn't harvest the meat they wouldn't do anything to shoot them um it's a it's a crazy story of uh for a lot of families um when they got out west it was very very hard to

get supplies if you got the supplies um you would be able to um hopefully build something but you had to build something and you as we know in western canada building building a house is hard surviving a western canadian winter is hard you know it's minus 40 it's windy aren't a lot of trees and a lot of split yeah crazy crazy heart uh imagine that you're living in a peat moss hut because that's how most people most families with babies you know uh spent their first winter they spent them in these little peat moss mud huts and that's how they built this country um the kind of peat moss is he moss is a thick um it's like a thick muddy sort of uh thing that like it's a it's um how do i explain this um hang on pete moss sounds like a like a fourth round

draft pick of the everett silver it sounds like uh so it's i was gonna say a wide receiver but i'm just thinking randy moss so pete moss is sort of a it's it's a mud or a soil um but it it there's this um kind of green ground cover that grows up around it and it's really tough and it works out west because you got to be a tough plant to grow out west it's like soil that looks alive yeah basically and it's a little you know and it's it's sort of clumpy so you could build things with it and you would and that's and it would be like wood framed and then you'd stick peat moss in it and that would be it home depot is out of stock of uh myoko grow peat moss it's good stuff it's really healthy like it's great earth great uh lots of uh lots of nutrients in it if you're

Gardner. So yeah, the Western Canada was settled a lot by that and by pushing people off their lands and all the typical stories that you hear. There was a great migration in the United States. We all know about the Oregon Trail and about California and that sort of thing. Sort of the same thing in Canada, only we put out posters across Eastern Europe in Eastern European languages saying, hey, come out and farm here and completely lied to people, right? It was like, you'll be millionaires like it was you know there was no advertising standards councils back then right so it was like it's the streets are paved with gold it's fantastic there's you could never and and a lot of people end up just disappearing and dying uh pictures in the summer yeah yeah exactly you

know it's 12 or 10 months of the year you can't farm and then the other two months you're working your ass off so it's a uh it's a it's a crazy story i wish i could go into more detail than that but it it is more a foundational section of the country yeah i know we can do a whole adam yeah anyway there you go awesome such an adam thing to say well because historians actual historians would be like uh you said what their homes were made of adam well yeah i wish i could have gone more into depth than the thing i talked about for 15 minutes straight like with no help from my co-hosts whatsoever you don't remember the pete pete mosshead stories no to end the show do you guys want to play uh who had more believe time stats yes let's do it all right so this game

this game do we want to do uh to do game winning goals or penalty minutes game game winning goals yeah and when it goes game winning goals all right yeah first up tim horton oh or james van ream stuck who had more game winning goals i think this is a trick question it's james van ream stack you want me to pick tim horton because you tim horton scored very few goals as a Leaf. He was like a rock solid, gronk-looking

defenseman. I am going to say JVR. Tim Horton played 1,184 games as a Toronto Maple Leaf. Wow. JVR played 413.

JVR scored 20 game-winning goals. Tim Horton scored 19 oh there you go good job guys wow wait he scored 19 game-winning goals i'm surprised he scored 19 goals man here's a goal scorer tim horton scored 115 goals over his 1445 nhl game that's not bad so you're telling me more than 10 of the goals he scored were game winners high ratio his career high was 12 performs under pressure all right all of us hired and i thought who has more game-winning goals jonas hoglin or vincent damfus

vinny damfus scored a lot for the leafs but he wasn't a leaf for very long no they should have kept them though i think vinnie damfus played for garbage leafs teams but they were in the 80s and he was on the line with russ cortenel wasn't he the kid yeah but so here's the thing though it's not that he scored i bet he scored more goals but game winning is completely circumstantial so so i'm gonna say hoglund because he would have been on the ice with sunday and they would have won more games i'm gonna say damfus because if hoglund had a brain in his head would have passed it demfus had 16 game-winning goals jonas hoagland had 15 wow all right next up it's shocking that hoagland had that many yeah yeah yeah next up is paul

henderson or austin matthews who had more game-winning goals paul henderson or austin matthews matthew i remember the story with matthews in his rookie season when he scored those 40 goals is he like led the league in first period goals and if you score in the first period it's probably not a game winner but the other option is paul henderson who was not a big scorer a lot of hockey guys hate when his name gets brought up uh with regard to the hall of fame because he was very good but it's not the hall of very good and i scored a big goal once which is disrespectful but kind of true i interviewed paul henderson a couple times

And he says that, too. Yeah. He's not shy about that. He said, you know, I was a good player, but, like, I wasn't, like, a star. He's not an all-timer. No. Like, oh, well, he was on Team Canada. So was Rob Zaminer, man.

Like, people can have good stretches. I'm going to say Matty. I'm going to say Austin Matthews. And I'm going to say Paul Henderson. All right. Paul Henderson had 22 game-winning goals. Oh, that's so many. That's a lot.

That's a lot. Austin Matthews has 23. Ah! Austin Matthews. All right. Yes. That's a lot, man. That's a lot.

He's very high on the list. He's 26th all time. That's embarrassing, Leafs. Embarrassing. Yep. Draft more talent. Wow. Wow.

I hope the next 100 years are better than last. Simply get the first pick more. Next up, Dougie Gilmore. or alexei ponikarovsky oh dougie pony was a leaf forever he was and dougie wasn't five and a half seasons or something dougie wasn't and he wasn't a goal scorer but the leafs won games when doug gilmore was a leaf ponikarovsky was put with sundin because he was literally ineffective with everybody else they called him the skyline bill peters called him the flatline though sundin ponikarovsky and antropov which in nhl 2006 was just this coming down um i am going to say

dougie i will say dougie you guys are both saying dougie dougie had 13 game winning goals alexei ponikarovsky had 12 oh correct good job let's go and all of those were assisted by mad sundin all of them i bet i would put money on it oh my god probably all right next up this will be our final one we'll go with john taveras or zach hyman oh so here's the fun part about game winning goals is they really are not indicative of any sort of talent and that's why i wanted to do it Like, if you go penalty minutes, it's sort of, you know, which guy's tougher, plays dirtier, whatever. What era did they play in?

That sort of thing. Game-winning goals are just who the – it's jump ball, man. You don't know. I'm going to say Zach Hyman. I bring this story up all the time. The Leafs lost the game 1-0 to the Devils when I was a kid, and the Devils scored in the first two minutes, I think it was. So whoever scored that goal got the game-winning goal.

Right. Like, that's not – scoring in minute 2 of 58 is – or, sorry, two of 60 is not clutch no no who are our two options again john taveras and zach hyman hyman i'm gonna say jt he scored he scored the ot winner at the vegas game that we had a live podcast at i'm gonna say jt jt had 12 game-winning goals all right yeah already zach hyman has 302 games played 10. Five for five? Did I go five for five?

I don't think so. Did I get the first one? I don't know. What was the first one? I think you got them all right. I don't have the list. Didn't we both go JVR? Yeah.

JVR over Tim Horton. You got it all right. You did. There you go. I am good at guessing. Blindly. Yeah. i resign myself to the fact that it would be an absolute fluke if i ever beat steve at anything

regarding trivia it's just not gonna happen uh even even because he makes because he this is the one thing about steve is that he knows so much and remembers so much about this one subject that his guesses are going to be better than anybody else's guesses that i know okay more educated guess i didn't enjoy the emphasis you put on one thing well i mean i didn't enjoy that is anywhere your depth of knowledge with hockey is astounding it's astounding it's incredible now your depth of knowledge with putting together barbecues maybe needs uh leaves a little to the imagination you're negotiating uh car deals like you should have seen the sheer amount of wounds i had on my body after assembling that barbecue they have sharp

parts was just sliced and diced was awful sounds awful yeah and negotiating cards okay listen all right i know i'm the dumbest least capable person on this show but i know how to guess things so whatever i'm smart smrt five for five uh before we go here can i also just say i threw up a thing on my instagram of some uh my favorite works about uh racism and the black community and i just because a lot of the questions right now are like hey what can i do so i want to be like hey here's a whole bunch of options if you want to watch a netflix documentary there i threw one in there it's called the 13th on 13th of month if you want to read a book i got a book there if you want to listen to a podcast there's a podcast you want to read an article got something to read

If you want to watch a TED Talk, there's something there. I just want to make it easy for anybody who's like, what's the next step? I think the next step is educating. So if you want to go there and take a look, there's a link to everything I've outlined there. Go, do some educating, and then try and help. Adam W Y L D E and at Jesse Blake brought to you by Panago pizza order at panago.com and stuff your face with deliciousness.