The Steve Dangle Podcast - Blue Room | February 6, 2024

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, thank you to everyone that came out during All-Star Weekend (00:00), the London Police Monday press conference (10:00), the Leafs lose to the Islanders (21:00), NHLPA Executive Director Marty Walsh speaks out against Arizona (1:02:00), Todd McLellan, Pierre Luc-Dubois, and Rob Blake (1:16:30), sending our very best to Jason Spezza (1:29:30), does Morgan Rielly make Team Canada (1:32:00), the Blue Room (1:35:00), and Adam thinks McDavid should be keep his prize money (1:38:00). Visit this episode's sponsors: Learn to make time for what makes you happy, with BetterHelp. Visit https://www.betterhelp.com/sdp today to get 10% off your first month. For all the odds and to learn more visit https://betmgm.com/DANGLE Any opinion expressed is not advice, a promise or suggestion that increases the chance of winning. Gambling can be addictive, please play responsibly. To learn more, visit: https://igamingontario.ca/en/player/responsible-gambling Or if you have concerns about a gambling problem, call ConnexOntario 1-866-531-2600. Must be 19+ or older to play. Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake For general inquiries email: [e-mail] Reach out to https://www.sdpn.ca/sales to connect with our sales team and discuss the opportunity to integrate your brand within our content! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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gonna get it next year uh we're getting the four nations cup as announced at the all-star weekend so um i don't know when the all-star weekend is coming back but it's not gonna be for at least a couple years yeah because the year after that's olympics yeah yeah yeah it'll be a long time and then like world maybe there's an all-star game in between the the year in between the world cup and the olympics because it's supposed to be like olympics two years world cup two years olympics two years world cup so this was the sendoff one thing i heard from a couple people uh about this weekend in toronto was that it felt like it was back like the city was alive again because a lot of people have been complaining like since the pandemic toronto's been kind of dead and in terms

of oh it's nightlife scene but this weekend was like oh my god everyone's out there's something going on all the time everybody was out till what god knows what time in the middle of the night and it was a lot of fun this week like us yeah we all remember how we got home uh shout out to everybody that uh that came to all the events obviously we had we had uh over 500 people over the course of two days which is pretty amazing uh and then um everybody that went to isabel's afterwards to hang out with us and have some drinks and uh watch it turn into a club and there's a few people there at the end of the night who when i was leaving they still had their jerseys on and they were partying and making out sweating they're like well it was a great time

and i'm like yes uh shout out the two guys who came in from nova scotia uh for the all-star weekend everything and they were like the we have tickets to the game but like the main thing was went to the rec room both days and that was their their most fun and they were like i was like oh so when you guys going back and they're like we don't know because there's a storm going on yes so the pictures are crazy we might be here for a couple extra days they say what part of nova scotia they're in like i if they're cape bretners they're not getting back for a week right i don't remember okay have you seen the pictures yes and if uh they could send some of that here like if we could take on some of the burden i don't know man it's sunny like 10 degrees outside

yeah why would you want why do you want that because every day i check the weather app and i'm like we're all gonna die but also we're all gonna die anyway beautiful uh yeah that's true no friday is supposed to be like eight degrees i could golf in that like that's and it's mid february early february i think there were rumors yesterday that some golf courses were talking about opening for a couple of days next one's supposed to be cold dude there's trees in my neighborhood that are like starting to bud it's february yeah i know we're all dying okay okay well i'll get there we're all no yeah we can talk about the fun weekend no we're gonna die can't enjoy anything we're gonna die how dare you have fun we need to have how dare you we need to

have an intro whenever steve does this jesse with called worst case scenario with steve dangle and we'll just give him a fun scenario and he can tell you how you'll die or how it's how it could go wrong no worst case ontario and get a big sticker for your truck there you go let's see if you are right we're all dying yeah like yeah but let's go down let's go down having fun no we're gonna if we're gonna go down with the ship we might as well have a good time on the way down don't you think you know what we're talking about we're talking about this all-star weekend i want to say um i want to say big shout out to the athletic and espn for lending their talent uh in mark lazarus down goes brown i hadn't met sean mackindoe uh i was never meet him i don't think i'd ever met him

me either no first time and then uh and then of course greg washinsky was was there as well that panel was great got rave reviews from people who were there and obviously comments on the internet which is crazy because nothing gets rave reviews with comments on the internet no i still i still gotta watch these panels back because you oh they're good you couldn't hear it from the green room and we were preparing for our own thing and uh we did cj show twice yeah in a way and uh alan walsh i think was oh he was the the lead event and i gotta tell you uh we were talking beforehand and i'm like i'm like so like do you have anything you want to hit he's like don't worry and i was like don't worry i was like okay everyone really embraced it yeah cj so i started

uh hitting cj beforehand like with is anything off limit is that and he was like stop stop i want you to surprise me and so i was like all right i got something for you and i just let the crowd do what I assume they all wanted to do. Who's getting traded? Name names. And he did the CJ one through eight scale, like smart insider man. I like that.

And I haven't seen that panel. I need to watch that one. That's a good, that's a good little segment. I like that. There were, there were a few surprising six, sevens and eights.

Really? All right. Well, you can name them now. It's been a couple of days. Oh, you forget them. I was surprised.

I remember that. Jesse, as, as the head of production uh as somebody who who sees every panel sees every minute that goes to air i would like to know from you what was the what's your problem what's your highlight of your weekend sir uh i thought you're doing all the thank yous because you thank the people from the athletic and the espn but yeah i'll answer your question in a way where i can get out the thank you get a thank you yeah because uh i think my favorite part was sid six arrow

oh easily on the friday so much fun and did half of our set on on friday night which was fantastic uh your mom your mom marilyn dennis was there on saturday which was unbelievable thanks to your mom for her to lend her time to come out and do that and then hang around for the whole uh event really and then even a little into the meet and greet was just i was just really heartwarming to see that like she's willing to do all that that was very nice very kind of her because she's a very busy woman and doing that was unbelievable and she was fantastic on stage like who would have thought adam and his mom would have great chemistry on it crazy crazy she's got a future um and then also uh cam stewart yes drew livingstone came up on stage even though the internet you guys drew yes

he was there and he was great okay it's nice to him it's okay that that somebody disagrees with the way you think yeah it's okay he different opinions he bathed in the in the booze like it was warm water absolutely cam did not understand how the newlywed game worked and we explained it to him beforehand and then we explained it to him again and when we got up on stage he still did not know how it worked but that is the nature of cam that's the magic that is the magic of cam cam is so i can't remember if i've met him in person that's it screws me up with the internet like i've known about him for years and years and years but and i'm like okay so this is the first time i've spoken to this person he's like hey oh yeah you know good to meet you uh like like uh this

event yeah this venue is great you're thicker than i thought i'm like you just called me fat like eight seconds into meeting me he tells a wonderful story about how he used to own a horse really yeah he uh he owned a horse at one point and yes he did so yeah if you go watch it back he talks about how he's like it used to cost me three thousand dollars a week and then i couldn't afford it anymore so we had to get rid of the horse and the one time the horse won i couldn't even be there and i didn't even get to see the horse we didn't get to celebrate i wasn't there wow so yeah three thousand dollars a week to feed the horse he he came up to me give it up he's like he's like uh you didn't tell me your mom was a vandal and i'm like you mean where she went to

school he's like yeah she went to because she went to school at in idaho university of idaho and their team is the vandals and i said yeah my my rest of my family 20 minutes down the road in pullman uh are uh are he's like yeah they're cougars yeah that's right and and he's like uh how how how big fans are they because he's like the cougars are great and i'm like well i was at my cousin's wedding this summer and they did they stopped the wedding and did the they have like a full cougars the cougars are who washington state cougars okay uh they are a football program uh and And a few NFL players have come out of it, but it's not like one of the like super high end. And and then and he's like, he's like, OK, that's good.

And I said, and the mascot was there. They hired the mascot to be there. That's how deeply entrenched Kim. I noticed from a lot of comments, people were like, how's this guy not have a TV show? We're like, he kind of does like he has a radio show. He does, I think, like live every Saturday across like it's like a national syndicated program. Yeah. So he's he does some stuff. He also worked hard.

yeah he also ordered food for everyone on our tab did you know city good yeah he's like uh do you guys do you guys want here just get like three pounds of wings he's a great is there anyone we're missing i don't think so our staff shout out justin fisher shout out robert mulloy shout out mad dog maddie shout out her first autograph shout out christina weber yeah everybody who put it all together justin did the spearheaded spearheaded all the uh all the uh organization of that did you say hayden was there shout out hayden too came by shout out tim haraney who asked a question during our show did he yeah oh no i asked him a question no he asked a question oh okay well i don't even remember come on you're asking me to remember a live show i don't well

yeah i guess i guess yeah i guess you asked him a question then yeah talked about it yeah so anyway that works yeah it's been a it's been an interesting start to f1 so we're like let's get let's get tim some spotlight because it's been crazy um so yeah there was a lot that happened and then obviously yesterday we didn't want to do a show first off steve had the live the live stream all yesterday evening against the islanders and of course beer angball has to score we'll talk about it we weren't going to be able to make a late podcast work yesterday because of the stream right and we needed to do a later podcast we thought because of the the the london police department's press conference so we decided to go today tomorrow and friday if you're looking for the the schedule and

i think um you know i think we can start with that because in sequential order uh the london police department did a couple of things that i think caught people off guard the first thing was they came out and they apologized to the victim like right away yeah yeah no i was pretty surprised by that right because i've never seen and i think all the reporters who were on the scene had said i've never seen a police department apologize for anything and the um the tsn broadcast they brought on a legal expert and that was the first thing the london police did is they made that apology the press conference went on for like what 40 minutes something like that and when they went back to the studio panel they asked her they go well you know what stood out to you

and it was that they started that way it went on for 40 minutes lots of information came out there were lots of sound bites but that was still the one that stuck out the most yes her name is alison craig alison she was very good i forgot she was very i gotta give tsn big credit because live tv used to do this sort of stuff all the time and they've mostly gotten away with it or not in a way with it away from it because of internet streams because of commitments of like if you're a sports network and a poker show is on in the middle of the day that show has paid to be on your airwaves so you can't cut them off because you'll lose money for it and and i had to give tsn full marks because that was a full broadcast they handled it great duffy is so good live

um uh and it was a it was a you know a great way to start and then obviously um you have rick west head down there asking questions along with craig needles and uh some people from city news and and a few others but i just thought um the way to handle that was what they did to have the whole pre i was about to say pre-game show but like the pre-press conference show yeah um it was it was fabulous like it was something that i needed that i think the audience needed and people watching needed just to the context and have allison there and then darren dreger was also there to provide the hockey side of it because duffy said during the broadcast like we are a sports network so dreger what's kind of the hockey side of this you don't have that and the three of them there it was

fabulously handled they they treated the event with uh the weight that it deserved a hundred percent this has been one of the biggest stories in canada like forget the sport uh for like two years now um yeah you should have a panel yeah you should have people on the ground it was nice that it was scheduled programming as well in that like if you looked at the broadcast schedule whether you're on your tsn app or you have cable you see that this is coming up at at 1 30 leading into the two o'clock press conference on the guy you know schedule it wasn't it was on the guide it wasn't like it was okay there's something there but when you turn it on there's the actual program because it's brought in no they thought about this beforehand they planned it they put

it on the guide and it was there and you could anticipate it it was very very well done they uh they do a great job they do a fantastic job so that context that she provided that the lawyer that was there, uh, beforehand was great. Um, so obviously they come out, uh, the chief of police apologizes. He's a new chief of police. What's important to understand, I think for anybody that missed the press conference, and I don't expect most people watching this have is that the police chief during the 2018 investigation is not the same police chief as now. Um, and you know, there were questions leveled at the new police chief about the old, the way things were handled in 2018 and the police chief current said basically you know there is a time and a place to

talk about that yeah uh but it's not now and i know a lot of people were upset and put off by that but i think the reasoning and it may at least in my mind is is that you don't want to take away from the fact that this is a sexual assault case there is a woman who's been waiting six years for just this and uh and to have the distraction of hey clearly the police department if they're apologizing mishandled this we know that how do they do it well i'm sure we're going to get to that but let's focus on the real event here the real the real damage and and making that part right first so i appreciated that um and then i i think what was interesting is there was a couple of revelations is that i believe it's michael mcleod has been covered has been charged with

the second accessory charge yes yes which we did not know uh and then and then beyond that i think there's uh the fact that the you know a lot of this hinged on the witness speaking right in a sexual assault case in most cases um you need the witness or witnesses to victim victim sorry excuse me and she wants to be referred to as victim sorry i inappropriately use that uh you want the victim and any witnesses to be able to be able to testify there and and it seems as though um she has been cooperative from day one and that's the that's the hard pill to swallow i think knowing that now um this is going to be as we said to you last week it's gonna be a slow process yeah and justice should move slow should move this slow shouldn't move six years slow no

but from the charging point you need to have this move slowly because you have to make sure that everything is done right to see justice done it should be meticulous absolutely um there it's it's all starts with were there or weren't there crimes committed and once we have an answer to that that's when we can start answering everything else what was or wasn't wrong with the investigation what did or didn't people know um how did this fall through the cracks for six years um x y and z yep yeah so uh rick west had kicked off the questioning um and he actually he followed up later on and i thought this was interesting he changed his third question because you were allowed to stand at the podium be in line it was literally a lineup of reporters a few people changed their

questions while in line which is underratedly difficult to do yeah of course um but rick got a dm midway through and from a woman in the area who said you know i brought my concerns uh this happened to me, uh, to the London police and they did nothing. Does that mean I can come back and, and ask that question? And one of the things that the police chief talked about right at the lead of the press conference was, um, the erosion of public trust with an institution. And that's, that's North America wide. I don't know where, what it's like, you know, elsewhere in the world, but, uh, if you look at the statistics, public trust in law enforcement has dropped precipitously over the last five years. And rightfully so, uh, you've had some high profile things go

completely the opposite way as what they should justice is not done in cases like this and this guy says that his department's mandate is to rebuild that public trust and i thought rick bringing up that direct message was was absolutely fascinating um and and i think when we when we look at yesterday's press conference on the whole i know there was the little bit about the yeah the police officer sorry the uh the music video talking about the music videos and the way listen in a i know what he was getting at and the sense is it's like yeah women are are objectively no one can argue with this there there is a a language there are pieces of our language that we use that denigrates women that enforces patriarchy we know that i think that's what

he was trying yeah i don't think we have to explain his point i think the whole thing is time and place dude yeah you didn't need to do that all you do that was that like yeah it's okay you're you're getting pestered with questions by the media so you want to attack the media wrong time wrong place it seemed like the whole thing was very formulated like they had a kind of a script going and all of a sudden he decides to go off script and attack the people in the room it was it was annoying for many reasons but uh one of them was i felt i felt in general he did a pretty good job yes with that conference and unfortunately um you know you give people a soundbite and a lot of people are going to take that soundbite and it's not their fault it's

yours yes for giving them the stupid soundbite so you know you spoke rather eloquently and openly for however long you did but there's that one little blemish i i it was i can't sympathize man like you that's on you unprompted i think nobody asked there that was that was the thing that irked me the most it was unprompted and he just seemed flustered in the moment and he held his composure through the whole thing except for that and it was a shame he definitely seemed emotional well and i i would say too that anybody who makes that remark or agrees with that remark remember too that it was a media report that kicked this investigation back off right it's the it's rick it's robin it's katie strength robin do a little that is yeah um it's these

people that have stayed on this case uh from the time it was first reported by rick that have created and and kicked off this this police investigation the second time so so again i well a very little sympathy for that point of view from me he re uh re kicked it off yes this is the one thing he kept hammering is this is one investigation it wasn't an investigation they closed it they opened a new investigation they reopened the first one right to me the only one they seem to sort of imply because they kept hammering like we can't explain why this took six years and all that so it seems like there's definitely information that'll come out about why it took six years in their case against the five that are accused so yes that's all like they can't

say anything like you can't fault them for holding withholding information there's a there's a case involved here there was a lot implied there there was a lot i think we can all uh extrapolate but a lot i'll tell you just honestly behind the scenes a lot has been made about the reputation of that police that particular police department in ontario it's sure and it's not like this is the only time so so i it seems like they have a reputation i didn't know about it until like Why would I know that? Well, you don't live in London. Exactly.

But there's been complaints about it before. This is not the first. So that's what we know for now. Katie Strang, in her article for The Athletic, she kind of goes through a good summation of what happened, but also the victim's account of what happened that night. And I'm not going to get into that because it's extremely, I think for a lot of people, it'd be extremely distressing.

So I'm going to give you the warnings, the necessary warnings before you go and read it. But now the next hearing is in April and, you know, we'll update as we can. But, you know, from from here on out, at very least, we've taken steps forward. At very least that that clarity, I think that everybody's been looking for for well over a year. We at least are moving in a direction now. I don't I think a lot of people didn't believe it would get to this point. uh yeah there there have been uh very irresponsible rumors uh about that and um i mean it's here now so i would ask all those people spreading those rumors to question their

sources thoroughly um here we are yep yep exactly uh now uh we're gonna leave that and we're gonna take a hard right turn this is really these are really hard transitions to make so i'll just make uh we had a leaf game that night it's the first time we've had a leaf game and it feels like months but it was a week and a half i think something like that something like that 10 days and uh by all accounts even sheldon keith the leafs played pretty well oh that was a great game that was a great game like i i yelled and screamed about pierre engvall because friggin of course but from start to finish the islanders and the leafs beat the hell out of each other that was a playoff it was slow start like that first period you could tell everybody's getting back

to play in hockey yeah it looked like it looked like they hadn't played hockey in in a couple weeks you know it was tight though yes it was 100 the both teams were at i think equal level yes yes yeah and uh i think i think that first islanders goal i think the least would love to have that back i don't feel like that's a it's not great but it wasn't all three of them well sheldon keefe's words were we did enough to win and just enough to lose damn and they deserve to win a meter 65 in the least favorite guys uh means nothing yeah no i mean it literally means nothing they scored two goals both goals tied it both tying goals lasted for no time minute or two minute or two if the leafs had a little bit more energy in them like if they had a little bit more

legs i think they'll be able to shovel some more pucks home no it felt like like at the end there especially when they're uh six on five like there are so many chances that are just like a little bit more effort in there you can get that home even like the matthews three triple posts you know oh i know if you're just a little more accurate mr matthews you you and you know that every time i i actually i disagree i i thought it was between the ears um i was surprised by the pace of the game um for coming back from all-star break like maybe the pace would have been better you know if it wasn't the first game back but um it was all brain farts like morgan riley so uncharacteristic for how he played this season like how he cost

him the game you know i don't like disparaging our boy morgan um he cost him the game yeah i think i think we're saying the same thing like i don't think you disagree i think that's that's on the effort so you know if i meant to say i vehemently disagree if you're if you're getting on your man in front of the in front of the net if you lose your man like that if that's he's because engvall was to his left he just hustles a little bit to his left he stops that play he knew he was there yeah it's so frustrating re-watching the play but uh morgan riley will be in the lineup next game i don't think there's any question about that timothy lilligren listen for all of you who think i'm just doing a bit sheldon keith saying lilligren uh his mistake

on the second goal on the kyle mclean goal was that's not an nhl play peewee hockey what's he saying brad timothy lilligren brad this i i went back to it in the lfr what i say about lilligren at the beginning of the season well you were you were surprisingly spicy about him because you were basically saying like you this is a sort of a prove it year i'm being kind about what you said because you said what are you okay there's a sliding scale sure also can we play sheldon key's comments oh yeah yeah yeah let's do that let's do this is it frustrating when you lose track of where the penalty clock is and you let a guy sit behind you is that something at this

point of the year that shouldn't happen anymore? I don't know what this point of the year. This is the National Hockey

League. That's peewee stuff. It's nothing to do with the season or anything like that. You play on the

power play in the National Hockey League, they should not get behind you coming out of the penalty box. All losses are

tough, no matter how they happen, but any more difficult given that you guys tied the game late and just turned over the

defensive zone. That's what I'm saying. We played well enough to win the game. but we do it just enough to lose right like second goal third goal those are gifts you can't give gifts the goal he's playing the way he is in the other end sorokin was so it's such so hard to come

by you you battle your way back to tie the game you can't you can't do that so i alluded to lilligren not getting in the next game i don't know if it's going to be that dramatic uh he's done on the power play yeah that's then but but then for who does well i mean and i think keith likes timmons more than us so i wouldn't be surprised if it was him well i was looking at i was looking at some tweets this morning i think it was anthony petrelli i think um and i apologize anthony if this is you or isn't you but i thought it was a smart point so anthony take the credit because i think you're a smart guy um i think it was he was talking about forget the power play for a second a lot of lilligren struggles this year have been due to the fact that on five on five

anyway if he's had struggles you know he's been stuck with guys like giordano and and and i i don't hate mark giordano hold on a sec let me listen let me let me say this point sure this guy is not mobile anymore giordano yeah he's not and he wasn't on the ice i know that and i said please forget the power play for a second but there are more listen do you think if if if timothy lilligran had played great hockey all year do you think sheldon keith makes a comment like that absolutely i think they should both be up okay fine cool i listen i'm happy to see will agason back in the lineup i actually am but i'm i'm saying that i think that the power play yes that's timothy lilligren five on five they really just don't have it on the defense no and

i don't think that they can fix it in season brad i'll do a little quiet this time you want to take a look at the lines what do we got today today we got nize matthews marner bertuzzi tavarez As Neil Anderson, nothing's changed in the top six. Then we got Gregor Domi Robertson, McCann Holmberg-Reeves. Cool. And then on the defensive side, we got Riley Brody, Benoit McCabe, Gio Lilligran, Legasin, Timmons. Those are the two scratchies.

Yeah, the definition of insanity. So nothing has changed from last night. I think that we have to live in a world where Mark Giordano doesn't play every night. He can play every night in the playoffs, but guys, This guy's pushing 40. Put Lagas in and he played well. Okay, we know what Giordano is.

We know. Yeah. That's easy. Yes. Giordano's an easy conversation. He's 40. That's the conversation. He's a man.

Adam, here, go to the three cam. All right? Here's what we're doing. This coffee mug is a top four defenseman on a playoff team. Okay. this water cup is waiver fodder this phone is timothy lilligren put that phone where you think

he is in the middle you think smack dab in the middle i think he's a i think right now i think right now he's in he's your five six i think he's there oh man teams would snap that guy up in no no they would time and he'd be their seventh defenseman in no time i don't think so i don't think so i think you're being too hard on him yeah i think i think the problem is mostly around him i've been hard on him for uh the last bunch of years this guy like he's bruno caboclo he's two years away from being two years away i'm getting sick of it he's gonna be 25 at the end of april like we're already seeing guys from the 2018 and 2019 draft getting put on waivers this dude's 2017 um he's been giving he's been given lots of opportunities and every time they graduate him

from the bottom pair hey he's looked good on the bottom pair please stop showing me his numbers he's not playing against the toughest competition yeah i think he's a bottom pairing defenseman yeah what's wrong with that i think he's better than connor timmons man why why i agree with that be your fifth or sixth defenseman on a good team i just man what's wrong with that i'm done there they need an upgrade like what i'm saying is i would like a defenseman who is better than him to push him out of the lineup but they don't even have that i don't think he's a an everyday player i think contending teams look at him the way we look at william lagason william lagason is a guy Yeah, he can play good games for you.

That's how I look at Lilligren. He can play good games for you. Does he need to be in the lineup every day? No. You need six defensemen. Like, every defenseman can't be a top four defenseman. Yes. You need people to fill out the rest of your lineup.

I think Lilligren on a good team is your sixth defenseman. And there's nothing wrong with that. To Jesse's point, if Kimo Tiemann can play four minutes a night and win a Stanley Cup with the Blackhawks, what does it say? The Blackhawks had a great top four, so they didn't have to rely on it. And the problem with the Leafs is they don't. they've got two of four they've got two of four yeah uh when i because i think brody's not been good and i understand that things happen to brody this summer i understand he went through some

loss but the reality is the the product in the ice isn't good enough and if you if you have a good top four you have a solid top four to jesse's point do you you don't need to lean on lilligren as much yeah but who's in the top four riley brody brody who's not been good yeah and you can't you can't show me any numbers that tell me and i love tj brody's not been good not been good not been good and what was i campaigning for a couple months ago paul lilligren up there you notice i stopped because he doesn't deserve it okay so then who's the who's the next one you got mccabe and benoit who's the same age and lapped him he lapped him yeah benoit who got like a standing old yesterday like of course he did he had to fight for a non-hit but you know like everyone

I keep getting asked, what does a Benoit extension look like? I'm not making less than Tim. I can tell you that much. I don't care how many points I put up. I'm in the top four. Yeah, but all you're saying is one guy is better than the other guy, which is okay because Lilligren can be your sixth defenseman. And Benoit's better than him.

That's fine. That doesn't mean you get rid of Lilligren because Benoit is a better player. No, you know what I'm doing? i'm mourning uh uh the loss uh of what i thought timothy lilligren could be in my mind do you remember us i mean it was he was never going to be this good but we were talking about like oh he could be carlson because he was drafted in 2017 when carlson was lighting the world on fire he shoots right he's swedish he must be the same guy sure that's not how it works but like we we all thought for sure at least a top four capable guy and i am i am coming to grips with uh this guy

just is a guy he's not a 20 minute guy he's a he's a 15 minute guy he's barely above replacement level which is fine jesse what do you have there nothing oh okay i thought you i thought you had something on timothy on the stats there no no um i you know i think i think that again we're focusing on the result of the problem rather than the problem the result of the problem is a little lilligran is put into positions where i just don't think and i understand you're mourning the loss of of the potential that he had the reason he fell from the top five to 17 if you remember is he was going into that draft people were like this guy's gonna be great yeah and then and then he fell to 17 and every and the Leafs were like whoo yep and you know it hasn't worked out the best he's still

a top six defenseman i think on most teams but i think the leafs top four is not strong enough and therefore you put players like him who are not good enough to be in positions like that in that position and i understand the morning of hey it's our draft pick we really wanted it to work out it didn't work out fair enough but i think now we got to focus on uh this defense core is not going to work it's not going to work mccabe i like he's playing his offside like that's another one underratedly like Lilligren should be taking some minutes away from Brody McCabe playing on his off frigging side like I know Brody is as well but I feel like he's a little bit more well he's a specialist for that yeah yeah he didn't really previously do that for the

Leafs there was that weird pair where it was him and Brody I'm pretty sure McCabe was the one on the left yeah and I think so we like Benoit McCabe uh we have liked Riley Brody in the past here go i'll give you give you a little bit of juice give me i said this on the stream last night the leafs are so desperate for a capable right-handed defenseman that someone this weekend told me a rumor of someone the leafs called on i'm not going to say the name but i just put my hands together and i said an entire rosary saying please god not him please god not this player and i was like how are we even having this conversation where acquiring this player would even be considered an upgrade the course sucks it's not good enough man it's so bad i

think we're all agreeing here wait who's the player no no no no i'm not doing that what i thought that was the whole point of the story no no no i said i wasn't gonna say the name Oh, I thought he was going to say that. Oh, no. I was confused by that. No, no, put it this way. Put it this way. Yeah.

I'm stressed. I'm very stressed. All right, Adam, let's go. What is it? Which Calgary flame? Who's the player? So this is... I'll give you three.

We're doing it right now. And if you don't get it, it's on you. You get three guesses. If you get it right, I will be honest and tell you. You got to give me some parameters. Okay. Well, it's a player that Steve clearly doesn't like. Okay.

You can ask three questions. Okay. And then give three guesses. Okay. I'm giving you six chances. What division do they play in? Oh, you son of a gun. The Metro.

It's Eric at Branson. No. Damn it. So you've wiped out one of each. Okay. They play in the Metro. Adam, that was a poor use. That wasn't a poor use.

That was a poor use. Get Branson is the kind of guy that that true living would love. In fact, I think he's required him before. Did he not play in Calgary? I think you're right. I think I know. No. Is it bad?

I want to ask a question before. Okay. I'm going to let you take this, Jesse, because I don't know. Okay. Is their first. This is their last name. Start with a D. uh-oh yes what does that mean i know it do you want me to say it or do you want to keep it quiet

not tony dm um no wait what's your guess is it tony d'angelo or not tony d'angelo oh man who wait so the leaks are interested in him nobody's saying that get get out of here he's he's found his happy place in Carolina that's the only place he hasn't caused trouble let him let him let him live let him live yeah right no I don't believe that I do think I do think and this is funny I have heard the Canucks might be willing to move off the door yeah I saw that yeah yeah I've heard that so there's been a couple outlets that have hinted at it and then I've heard it somebody told me and I was like really and it's because of his salary uh but the why'd you get the amount well exactly the Leafs could have paid the third and the fifth and actually Zdorov would

have been an upgrade based on what they have Zdorov like Zdorov McCabe the Canucks ain't trading Zdorov to the Leafs will be really funny now the Leafs don't have a second round pick I'm imagining the Canucks would want similar value to what they traded out but I think the value for the Canucks is moving that salary out and getting um getting somebody else in for the trade deadline you know Lindholm obviously is a great get for them but I think so last Wednesday sorry to interrupt uh Rick Dollywall updated that story about Zdorov and he said that I've been told the Canucks are not trying to trade Nikita Zdorov I believe these Zdorov rumors caught the Canucks off guard as of now I can report the Canucks are not trying to move Zdorov I think that the whole

thing that happened this week has caught everybody off guard just so that as of now I can report they're not trying to move so he said the same thing three times sorry as of now vancouver fans need to hear it a few times i get it though but yeah they dealt with the league all says they're not trying to move the vancouver canucks were caught off guard but caught off guard the vancouver canucks were i don't know why they had to quote them three separate times saying the same thing i do not like green eggs and zadorov i do not like them stay on my end what was that i don't know Canucks Army, we'll call you out. I can hear Rick saying that.

Rick, who is one of the kindest people in this industry, by the way. I love Rick. No, but when you're transcribing the quote, you don't need to type it out three times. No, I just think it's funny because Rick's so energetic. Do you want to see it there? Yeah. Oh, you want it right there.

Do you know which team he likes most? Do you know if he likes the West Coast? i do think i do you think his time is toast i as of now the vancouver canucks are not trying to move it doesn't mean they're not taking calls on them remember the canadians were not trying to move suban and then they did because they got a call so because they got it no it's because mark bergevin's a liar yeah okay well there's that too um i think uh i think at the end of the day the the the reality is the leafs have um they have their five and six being exposed because they're top four not performing to what they need to perform whatever that i think it's what do they

pay five million for brody um that that money um needs to be reallocated to somebody bye bye brody see you somewhere else yeah like that's it right well i would be open to him coming back but in a different role at a lower price he's not taking a discount somebody's but him yeah and you know what he'll probably have a better year last year because he's by all accounts last summer was super shitty and and you can understand how a player's performance can fall off due to that of course but like they can't afford them you can't afford a five million dollar defenseman who plays like here's what i've got no patience for as a league fan okay i i understand um you can't empty the cupboard every year all right i've made peace with the fact that this season is not last season

there is no ryan o'reilly deal in waiting there is no jake mccabe and sam lafferty single tier deal in waiting i don't even think there's a luke shen deal in waiting you got to make hockey trades right i i don't have any patience for oh well you know they're gonna go to free agency and they'll walk and then they'll have free uh they'll have cap space so that they can what they can go to free agency and spend their cap space stupidly again i'm supposed to be excited about that when this past off season they signed benoit to be like their eighth or ninth defenseman they basically lucked into the guy tyler bertuzzi uh i'd rather give him a ring at stick i think he might have the same amount of luck i i can't i don't think i've ever seen a more snake mitten

person ever that and it's crazy because that line controls play regularly i thought they're not bad great last night i agree but i'm all over the ice but he's got he's coming up on like one goal in 30 games like by the end of the week if he doesn't score that's what he's going to be at that's insane um tj brody we're like oh well he just won't be back i don't have patience for that i i want the next 35 or whatever regular season games and ideally the playoffs to be watchable let me ask you a question i mean would you sell brody because you know you're not resigning them you move them before the deadline like pure sell sell and let's say either you're looking at it and you're getting a defenseman who signed for a couple years but cheaper obviously and you get

somebody under control or you just sell for some sort of uh lower assets i if they sell brody like let's say they're able to get a i don't is saying a first round pick unreasonable like sean monaghan just went for a first like let's say at least a second round pick if the leafs can get that and then flip it for something i would i would definitely be or even brody in a hockey trade where you're getting a defenseman back who makes more sense yeah a team needs someone like brody and the leafs need someone like someone else that team has angelo well perhaps not but they acquire that player like yes jesse like i'm sure they're working the phones i'm sure they're trying i don't have an appetite for yeah well they just won't be back yeah adams the thing adam hates more than

divorce is own rentals yes yes and that was those are such bullshit own rentals are a path to divorce especially you hold on to them you don't actually address the issue and then they leave anyway they are they are i want to throw out there that that that in a in a year like this like which is the own rentals thing really came up when gardner and jvr and bozak were all up and the leafs were still like they were performing but they were rebuilding and what they should have done yeah was trade those guys for assets in hockey trades or whatever it is and and bring in and strengthen this longer term the jvr hurts they had more um they thought i believe that they had more depth coming up in the yonsons and caponins and those players yeah uh and then

they signed those guys to too much money as well yeah uh but i think um you know with own rentals you have the opportunity with if you're the toronto maple leafs like what you're basically in right even the athletic i read i think dom's article the the leafs have a 96 chance of making the playoffs at this point right so you're basically in 96 96 what does that mean i don't know if you lose three games in a row and then it's like it can fall now your percent is 80 you know so it's like it's in the moment but it's not conducive of like hey what if things change a week from now the islanders moved to within like four points of them last night yeah is that but you guys know that that that take into account edmonton winning 16 games in a row like yeah i don't think

i think i think the point is if you were to take each like the entire state season on a whole and they continue playing relative to what their record has been then that would be they ought to make they're gonna make the playoffs is what i'm fucking saying they ought to sure i don't i don't know how to challenge dom's model because i can't do math so it's really difficult for me to go dom you're wrong i can say i disagree with you and i can't tell you why which is a dumb guy's way of looking at it but i i think at 96 if you're the leafs and you know that this is not your year or you want to say you go you go i'm going to set it and forget it like the tv commercial from the 90s the infomercial i remember them you you just go here's what the team is feed it into the

playoffs let's see how far it gets hey i got i got something for you go you want some positivity Jesse, how far into the show are we? Do you know? 45 minutes. We have mentioned Ilya Samsonov's name once. Yeah, because he was good. Yeah. No, that's good.

Yeah. That's, hey, progress. We like progress. I would have liked to see him put in a little better effort on that breakaway. Yeah. He got got. His jock straps in the rafters. He got got.

It was bad. It was bad. But he gave them a chance to win. and i think the only sin he committed last night was he wasn't better than elia sorokin which uh yeah you know what i mean yeah he beat connor hellebuck the other day like i he's a chance to win he's yeah he's backs and off i'm yeah hey there you go like i'm not i'm not really worried about him in the fucking fire and all cylinders today let's go he's on cylinders enough uh you know i think oh you're both both of you under the jail prison we had a jesse and i had a boss

at virgin radio where she'd be like now we're firing on all cylinders every every meeting we're firing on all cylinders it was just her thing where she was fired up but uh no i think the cavalry has arrived that's right am i right but i think if if the leafs are going to do anything in the playoffs if they don't make a quote-unquote hockey trade which is a term i still don't like but everybody seems to think they know what it means they're all hockey trades um trade people for people the the only way they're going to get in they're going to see any success in two ways and this is always the way dubas set it up too uh so you can make fun of brad for his free agent signings all you want but this is how dubas wanted them to win goals good goaltending

yep yep goals why is that good goaltending good goal well sorry good starting goaltending horrible backup goaltending well if in the future um in the year 2000 if we're we're looking at a joe wool ilia samson off and they wave somebody else because they want to keep martin jones i still think that they and i brought this up at the all-star i think they should trade martin jones dude this might by the end of the season it might not work out this way but it might be the leafs best one through three we've ever seen goaltending not ever but like ever of the matthews era ever no i think the leafs best one through three i think was like um pot van damian rhodes and there was like a there was a third goalie who was like in freaking room i can't believe we let

him go to ottawa damian rhodes ruled for a bit he was good marcel kuzino marcel kuzino yeah and that's what you have to weave guys um i anyway i i think that you know i understand you want goaltending depth going into the playoffs um you can't hold three and if you're a leafs goaltender you're not making it through waivers a second time so uh to me there's enough teams struggling with goaltending where you could get some pretty significant assets back that you can then parlay into quote-unquote hockey trade you're telling me you couldn't get like a fourth fifth round pick for i think you get more than that come on yeah no i'm gonna mark it's hot mark lazarus and i would love wishinsky and down goes brown we're saying like this could be the deadline of because not

much is out there this could totally be the deadline of goaltenders because you've got great teams with shitty goaltending well also like i i know a couple big fish big fish have already been traded quote unquote um lindholm and well lindholm big fish lindholm's a big fish monahan is a very interesting story um and people think that means a boring trade deadline ah my sweet summer child you're new here no it just means are going to be extra silly and extra dumb there are going to be more trades and dudes are going to be overvalued and these are the types of trade deadlines where teams make mistakes that we talk about for the next decade it's going to be really exciting or home runs imagine the blackhawks in 2015 get knocked off in round one after getting

Antoine Vermette for a first. Ooh! Ooh! And a recent second, but they won the cup, so no one cares. Curtis Glencross once fetched a second round pick

and never played after that season. He, yeah. Never played a season. The Flames traded him. He traded him with the Leafs. They sold on him and made the playoffs anyway. Because that's what you do.

That was the cardiac kid's year. And that was the same trade deadline, I believe. And who did that? Who did what? Brad Treliving did that. So he can do it. Brad Treliving, I forgot!

You're right, Brad Treliving. He... Brad! bad sold yeah made the playoffs anyway yes you're allowed to do that and one around yes you are allowed to do that which in toronto is that's the most successful season we've had tied for first in 25 years now you got me all hot and butter i'm up i'm just saying listen i'm i'm listen if i'm the leafs and this is not my big go for it year which i don't think it should be uh try to try to add to your blue line in a longer term sense much like they did with mccabe right that was a great trade

last year uh and pretty good it was dubas had great trades would have been better if they kept lafferty but yeah um and then you uh and then you try to get some asset value back like okay martin jones goes to the carolina hurricanes and the carolina hurricanes are amazing by the way they make goaltenders look way better than they are which says something about how they've been he's instantly their number one goaltender right now he's the healthiest and he's the most consistent freddie anderson is a huge uh he's a huge monkey wrench in the entire nhl playoff picture because if he's like league average or even slightly above like that's got to be considered a cup contender he's played six games this year steve i know but he's coming back uh-huh and

there's a month if there's one thing i know about freddie anderson is he's never healthy for the playoffs they got a month to evaluate that's all i'm saying i know they got a month to evaluate and it's very interesting all right guys i got it these four goaltenders played for the toronto maple leafs in the 1998-1999 season you're talking about martin jones oh i know who it is spoil things for the listeners you're right you're you're talking about joseph wool and martin jones in elia samson off how about this 98 99 they had kujo play 67 games nine games were played by glenn healy that's right and five games were played by felix pot van until he created the cat and jeffree's got in there for two games but like that's not that's important i think that's the

best trio to ever play in a season probably uh but felix pot van the guy that they got for felix my favorite league defenseman ever brian berard i loved brian berard man that trade yeah it did rule until the guy also ruined it yeah and then he didn't chose not to sign here and had a really great career in new york i think would you take the 2002 2003 three goalies that played over these years let me see if i can guess okay so 2002 2003 that's belfor uh that's trevor kid yes is rick tabarachi on that i think he is not the third goal okay tom barasso he is not the third goal he was good too with the leafs tom barasso like he was good backup um was michael telquist the third goalie well done so which three are you taking belfor telquist or kid

versus samson off wool and jones i'm taking belfor because he was really good he was a hall it'd be a hall of fame goaltender uh but trevor kidd was okay but like balfour was like sneaky good for the leafs they 9 20 9 22 like seven shutouts 62 games the correct answer is anderson hutchinson sparks no macalini mac well who's rhymer's backup in 2013 uh in 2013 yeah ben Oh, Scrivens, yeah, yeah. Scrivesna. Scrivesna. I liked the Reimer-Scrivens pairing.

I thought they were pretty good. Me too. That's pretty good. Like, the L4 kid. Shame about Telquist, because I think he ran into health issues. Or was that somebody else? He looked like he had potential,

and he just never really reached it. Yeah. Yeah, 9-2-2. And that's 2007. Seven shutouts. Holy shit. He was like 37-2. 62 games played.

He was their backup for Kujo. they were waiting they said listen ed we'll sign you to whatever money you want because it was pre cap just wait because we need to see if cujo is going to stick around and then and then cujo went to detroit and uh it didn't go well it's got to be so dry to be that guy i loved jason york's story when he was on the podcast how he had a contract to sign with the leafs and then the leaf signed mcgillney and they called him back like yeah sorry bud it's funny that the least we'd even have had an internal budget at that point i know i should have just got them they you know like you think about that now and what did uh what did bill foley say last summer he was on an interview and

he said without the cap we'd be spending 150 million dollars on players on the 135 i think it was 135 but which is 50 million over the current cap right like the leaves so that's what vegas is willing to spend you have to imagine mls he would be in that range damn damn damn indeed um yeah look at bed um kujo's hockey db page for like all day i just reminisce it's amazing he was so stare at it look at the number what a weird goalie yeah he should be in the hall he's not he's not no that's stupid i know yeah he was 900 games played he's man he there was a couple years where he like look at that 71 games played for the oilers Look at all those 60 game seasons.

And he was stupid good. I would argue he was better for the Oilers than the Leafs, and he was pretty good on the Leafs. I would say that, too. Wow. That friggin' Game 7 save he made, I'm sure all you would need to do on YouTube is type in Curtis Joseph, Game 7, Edmonton, Dallas.

Also, he played in Vegas before it was cool. Yeah. Played for the IHL's Las Vegas Thunder. There you go. The numbers in Toronto are much better. Maybe we're wrong. No, I think he was better in Toronto. I think we're wrong on that.

Yeah, but I think the team was better. No, but look at the wins. Like in Edmonton, they went 29-31-9, 32-29-9, 15-16-2 in Toronto. No, what I'm saying is the Leafs had a better team than the Oilers did. Oh, right. So he performed miracles for the Oilers. That's fair. Although the seventh seed Leafs beating the second seed Sens was a frigging miracle.

yeah that was a freaking miracle they do in four games too they swept them yeah i remember i still remember i think we were in uh like the convenience store up the street like from the school uh and i was looking at the newspaper and i was reading a playoff preview and i was just like they're gonna get killed yeah police are gonna get killed and they freaking swept them yeah yeah i think that was the year too that yashin had to come back and fulfill his contract i can't remember and then or no there was a year where no no there was a year where he had to come back because he skipped a year with the senators because he was trying to get out of there and then the nhl said no you're under contract so they made him come back he played the whole year

and then the leafs had to play the islanders one year in the playoffs and it was first round they literally stapled shane corson to him and uh shane corson shut him down but he was a monster for the island and corson got suspended because he kicked eric cairns did he he either kicked him or he headbutt he did something that you definitely can't do time for the bet mgm big story oh do we have to talk about this we have to talk about it no the airing vol scoring against the leafs now if you're like producer drew and this is the way you got to look at these things is if a player is getting a tribute video at home against the leafs you have to bet them to score dude it's not even that engvall did it against the leafs it's that drew profited from it yeah that's what

i'm most upset about he put 10 bucks down he won 42 oh get out of here the payout was forged so it's almost uh well just over three to one which is pretty darn good yeah for something that's guaranteed to happen guaranteed it's an easy that's an easy 32 bucks and and you know what the hilarious thing going into this is this is the one guy you think okay there's no way he's gonna score because he hasn't been scoring he has six goals this year he had five coming in which means he had five yeah and what like what was he even doing out there were two minutes left nothing oh yeah yeah just it's just you know apparently there was money on the board for him too but yeah i thought you weren't allowed to admit that but he said in the post game was it uh

who was it to luke fox yeah he was i i uh there's plausible deniability there i'd be like i was kidding right right you do this i don't know what he's talking about i also think the money on the board thing is like to target players that's probably gone that used to be a thing yeah but now targeting goals i was kidding i got this long neck the sarcasm doesn't travel down are you guys do you guys think we should nix tribute videos oh i i'm getting there i am on the side of i don't care i don't mind it if you want to say thank you to somebody who worked for you call i think that's okay yeah no but publicly it makes a difference like there's a difference between doing it privately, and doing it publicly.

If you want to publicly thank somebody who worked for you, I think that's okay. I think they should do it for everyone, though. Because when you open it up to Pierre Engvall, who I think had a career high of 15 goals as a forward, yeah, now you've got to do it for everyone. Now you've got to. I think Pierre Engvall is everybody.

I think they've reached the point where they do it for everybody, and Pierre Engvall is kind of the bar. Go for it. So if you ever make a trade with a team where three of your players go one way and say two plus an asset come the other, that means when that team comes back, you've got to do back-to-back-to-back videos.

The Jared McCann tribute video is going to be fun. I hope they do that. I hope they do that. And how about this? Dallas is coming to town tomorrow. Matt Murray should get a video. They're Matt Murray, just because he has the same name as the guy who the Leafs pay.

Matt Murray is still on the team. Yes. Which one? He hasn't left. Yes, they are. He hasn't left. Yes, he is. You can't tribute somebody who's on IR.

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ownership expressing serious concerns about the future of hockey in arizona which then prompted the arizona coyotes twitter account to retweet to retweet puck report nhl and confirm that they are staying in arizona that's right you know vaunted news source puck report nhl uh i'm not owned i'm not owned as i turn into a corn cob by the way the coyotes social media team have been very good this year i have to give them full marks but this is sort of embarrassing um so i'll start with uh gary betman saying alex morello told me he was certain he will get this done i am hopeful and reasonably confident he's going to do what he says see and then the coyotes retweet puck news nhl you know our source for all puck news nhl uh and said we are fully committed to arizona and

hope to share exciting news with all of you soon arizona is the home and future the future is incredibly bright here i i take what they say at face value now why wouldn't you i adam no i'm i'm actually disgusted with what you just did you platformed that disgusting biased canadian marty walsh and the canadian media that he works for right you mean that former u.s secretary of labor marty walsh yeah no he's canadian he's from the hamlet of boston massachusetts home of the four nations cup next year what a surprise oh oh i think you see the conspiracy here adam i listen they're moving the coyotes to boston you have to you have to it may may be according to you canadian media uh-huh you know you have to decide if this is someone objectively talking

about a train wreck disgrace of an organization or ownership if it's the ownership or if it's a biased member of the mean canadian media i think it's the second one um i want to say what marty walsh said because marty walsh um the the bar was pretty low for the nhlpa coming into this job let's be honest um and marty walsh uh is really highlighting how little don fear did and you make millions of dollars being the head of the nhlpa don fear uh collected his check and he left and i'm surprised more nhl players weren't upset about it but here's what happened said the next deadline for me is tomorrow as in the coyotes deadline because they keep setting these deadlines, and the Coyotes keep missing them. The next deadline for me is tomorrow. It's

now. It's right now. The last conversation I had with the commissioner was that the owner was looking at a piece of land in the Arizona area, which is a big area. I don't know if you've been to Arizona. It's huge. I'm not sure where that stands. I have my personal concerns about that ever happening. There is a piece of land in Mesa. There was a piece of land in Phoenix. There were three ballot questions in Tempe. None of that came to fruition. And he said, I'm extremely disappointed in the ownership of Arizona and the president of the Arizona franchise. He says Arizona, but it's not the president of Arizona.

It's the franchise. They have not reached out to the PA to talk to us about what the situation in Arizona is. Since I've been here, we've been working very closely with the league. We've been working to grow hockey and grow the sport of hockey. We have had great announcements about the tournaments, blah, blah, blah. And that's going to increase viewership and hockey fans. And we have a team in Arizona that doesn't seem interested in having conversations with

the union who represent the players that play on the team so it's a wait and see approach unfortunately we've had two unofficial deadlines uh to come up with some movement and we've got past both of those so i'm interested to see what the ownership of arizona has in mind they want to buy the land it's not just about buying a piece of land okay and this is what we talked about last week guys we talked about we said this okay so you buy the piece of land and this is i'm quoting directly how long will it take you to permit the land do you need a referendum is there hazardous waste do you need to remediate the land there's lots of questions so you talk about buying land in arizona and it can be 10 years before the shovel goes in the ground as far as i'm concerned

that's unacceptable on behalf of the players on that team and it should be unacceptable for the league and i'll tell you this guys you know who's pissed about this and they're not talking because they never do all of the players the owners oh the owners are subsidizing this team you're a billionaire you're by rights greedy you're paying money is coming out of your pocket and going to this team that can't get its shit together now i think hockey can work in arizona everybody does everybody knows it can't great get a building gotta get a building first get a fucking building it's the same conversation every time guys yes yeah like yeah i'm i'm tired of it i'm sure the listeners are too um like i it's a it's a it's an explosive quote it's a newsworthy quote i'm

kind of fucking sick yeah what's different here about this conversation is that now there is somebody else saying it who seems like they can have power to push these things in some sort of direction so that is new like it's okay to have aspirations for something better um but if you told me your goal is to have a michelin star restaurant and all you're gonna do is set up a picnic cloth uh i'd be like well no you need a little bit more than that actually i think you need like a you know four walls and a roof it would be probably preferable and you need uh uh like the best uh kitchen equipment money can buy you don't have a building i from the beginning i was like how is there any pushback to you don't have a fucking building

you don't have a place where you can play hockey that's a prerequisite that's not being mean all right like there are people who are like oh they don't like hockey they're better no they do there are lots of people there and they like hockey austin matthews there are lots of people there they like hockey where should they go and watch it well and where should they go and watch it there's no building and marty walsh also said he made a comment he's like listen we got a 4600 person arena that they're playing in and it doesn't sell out it doesn't no see that was the whole thing is oh yeah it's a fucking metallica concert so now that bum ass place doesn't even sell out well the tickets are pretty expensive they are like you look you go to now i'd rather

go see a game in nashville where the tickets are actually less i think than arizona's uh tampas i think are probably less than arizona's uh florida's are definitely less than arizona's and they're better teams better fans what are we doing or not better fans better fans support and it's because arizona fans haven't been given a chance no i think arizona hockey fans have been around long enough that they're smart and even though there are lots of people who you know push back and they defend uh what's going on with this team i think most hockey fans are speaking with their wallets and their time most of them are going what is this fuckery well i'm not going to this random radio shack to watch a game but the thing here is that utah has obviously been very very

open about the fact that they've expressed um uh a desire for a team there have been other you know houston kansas city can name them all i would imagine that if you're gary betman the ultimate situation is they get a building and they get the expansion because and the owners are probably like yeah that sounds pretty good to me because you get that dispersal fee but here's the thing after three or four years of subsidizing the coyotes out of your that dispersal fee is less and less and less the owners want to hold on to that money they don't want to give it to the coyotes to keep the team on life support now we keep talking about uh ishbia that guy's got he's got the sons they brought in durant that arena is not retrofit but to me that's got to be the only way that that

team in its current iteration can stay that's got to be it right but like and i don't know i'm not a construction manager but i do know you can do a lot of renovations over a short period of time just did it though like they they just did the renovations on the arena and they finished up and now they don't have the sight lines for hockey so you're gonna ask the city or matt ishbia or whoever's gonna put up all this money it's hundreds of millions or tens of millions of dollars i don't know it's closed so what are we doing like we just talked about how billionaires are greedy buy buy this thing okay why should i buy it um oh okay well it's been unstable for a quarter century uh because the games have all been in the middle of fucking nowhere and no one went

what are we doing here for god's sake enough like listen i'd rather the main story be like clayton keller's having a crazy season i wish more people got to see clayton keller play in person i do and noted alan walsh client sean dersey they don't know that by the way he's been very very good since going to coyotes yeah michael carconi yeah yeah and more people would know that if they had a fucking building the quote by the way from marty walsh on the uh not sellout thing was uh this is not the way to run a business look at what happened with the oakland a's moving allegedly to vegas leagues are making sure that teams are investing in their facilities And in this particular case, we have a 50, 100-seat college arena

that doesn't sell out every night. And by the way, I think he's wrong on that because it's less. I think it's 47, 49. Yeah, because of the renovations. Yeah. Like, remember, oh, it's only going to be three or four years. This is the second season. There's no plans for a building.

And that's the frustration right there from the PA. players want to play in a national hockey league arena and not in a college arena and there doesn't seem to be an arena on the horizon for the team and this also it like adam you said that ideally they get an arena and the expansion in utah and i think that's like that's got to be the perfect scenario because once you get into this legal battle that's going to ensue with morello and the owners the other owners of the league you're forcing somebody to move their team which is going to be a sticky situation and sell the team and sell the team if he doesn't want to be the owner in this other market you know so there's a whole legal battle that's going to have to go on and i

think ideally they don't like to avoid that i think ideally they get an arena and you stay in arizona and you get expansions but i think there are ways that the pa or sorry the nhl can force a sale um it would be a long process but like the thing is is that if that team's going to utah the owner of the jazz is going to own them like he's not he's not going to be like oh i'll share ownership with you guys no no he's gonna be like that's no no that's my team uh and i'm willing he's so he so wants a team that he's willing to put up a billion dollars to expand and here's the problem for the nhl if they move it to his thing they also they don't get the expansion fee but the owners can stop subsidizing the coyotes pretty much right away which is good you don't want to

have a drag on your resources the problem is the smith entertainment group right the problem that they would have then is you if you want to get back into arizona especially the phoenix metro area because it has the fifth or sixth largest population uh in united states right and you still have to watch suns games over an antenna which is crazy to me the issue is finding somebody who's got an arena and the money and that that is like once you move that team you're probably five to ten years i think before a team goes back maddie can you clip this and just save it for future use well because our listen on our very first episode of the sdp we were talking about this yeah can you like just very first clip this and play this every time we have to talk about

this frigging team i think oh so the coyotes are in the news again oh maddie hit play and then i'll go get a coffee i'll go get it they don't have a building beginning middle end holy fuck yeah yeah i think i think there's an interesting conversation to be had because the president of the nhlpa is speaking for on behalf of the players and now we're hearing um push back from them you know it's not just the fans and the media people reacting to the situation now the actual nhl players are speaking through their representative that they are unhappy with the situation so uh it's it's gonna be fascinating to watch it develop the big story there is not coyotes are completely a non-option for anything uh it's nhlpa director does things

like man i really didn't think i would like this guy um but uh even if the the bar donald fear left him was on the floor he's hopped over it pretty good what did donald fear do nothing like what did he honestly got paid regularly nothing is right like he got paid but like what what did you do oh uh wind sprinted away from reporters that was good yeah like or no no what was that thing he did the uh it was in toronto and it was he made wasn't it like other members of the nhlpa wait and wait and wait and then they had questions for him and he bailed on them to go and talk to reporters uh that was a i think that might have been there was some sort of isn't there like a state of the union with all-star yeah some sort of thing a couple years ago yeah yeah anyway

i don't know if that's publicly as known but it's a it's a um but yeah it's a it's a famous story that makes its rounds um so anyway i i don't know it's uh the other thing we should talk about is the la kings fired todd mcclellan oh man didn't get a chance to break that down over the thing they have hired DJ Smith on as an assistant, Jim Hiller, another former Leafs assistant will be the interim head coach. And I was reading a little bit about this because Eric Stevens obviously did the first, Eric Stevens of the athletic did the first sort of Todd McClellan has been fired here was the record, whatever. But then he talked about in a follow-up piece, what the Pierre-Luc Dubois move had an effect on this roster. First off, they had to move Sean Dursey because he was

restricted free agent they couldn't afford to keep him if they're going to bring in pld then to bring in pld you got to get rid of gabe velarde and alex ayafala and uh two good players all three of those guys would have been options for todd mcclellan to use up and down the lineup had they needed it um and obviously dubois and kevin fiala have not really meshed and you've got victor arvidsson out for the year um and you know todd mcclellan yes he wrote cam talbot a little too much and doesn't want to play phoenix copley all that much until he tore his acl um but phoenix copley had a good year last year i wonder i wonder how much of this lands on rob blake we did this yeah but yeah you're right you're right we did but i just think i'm just looking at this

and i'm going man like i i didn't realize how limited they were after those trades no i said this was Sid Sixero uh on the Friday panel but I think a lot of this falls on Rob Blake not giving Todd McClellan the right pieces in the way he coaches you know I think a lot of this has to fall on the GM and he he got a coach who wants 200 foot players and what he provided him was a limited roster who right now you're he's running his horses out way too much you know uh Dowdy's playing too many minutes for his age and what he's doing right now and he they're the pieces aren't there for the contender that we thought they'd be we thought it'd be another step you know you lose back-to-back playoffs to the Oilers eventually you're like okay let's get into the second round

this year we're gonna have a great regular season and midway through everything's falling apart and I don't think that's on the coach I think that's a lot of roster construction I it's on roster construction I was about to go off about uh that trade because I actually kind of liked it for the Jets like when it happened I was like oh you know I didn't think they would do this well but I'm I'm looking at the Kings last year. Velarde had 23 goals. Yes, it was in 63 games.

So he scored at a higher clip. Um, I have follow had 14 goals. Yes, it was in 59 games. So it's at a bit of a higher clip, but that's 37 goals. And I look at that and I look at the money I'm giving Pierre-Luc Dubois.

And I look at the assignments Pierre-Luc Dubois is going to be getting because he's on the Kings and I'm going, he replaces that. it'll be fine he'll be able to replace that production or at very least like let's say you know because of pace or whatever um those guys are um you know that's 45 goals okay i can replace that with dubois and a couple of the guys who i'm gonna have to call up her sign dude's got is he at 20 points yet yeah is he at 20 but like listen listen we we always allude to the conversation and make fun of it like william nylander was talked about

all the time because he's a pending unrestricted free agent and we laugh because we go where is this for alias petterson where is this for sam reinhardt right yeah um this dude's getting paid big boy money he's getting big boy pants money no diaper baby money and what's he done what's he done like i'm trying to here here it is 48 games 10 goals 10 assists boo yeah and that he's He's scoring at a lower clip than Max Domi. Yeah, that's on the GM for saying, you know what, that's going to be the guy who's going to replace all this goal scoring.

Pierre-Luc Dubois never had a 30-goal season in his life. No, but he had 27. He's never had a, what I said is true. No, no, I know, I know. He got close. Sorry, the reason I said no is i think it was a good bet based on last year's production he's never scored 30 goals he's about to and he's never gotten more than 61 63 how dare you 63 okay three that makes a huge but he's going

to and like last year he only played 73 games so like i think that's at least a 30 goal pace you're looking at nearly 70 points like i think career season from pierre luke dubois with kopitar with dino with the other weapons that the kings have with the decor that they have i think it was a reasonable assumption dude has failed yes and so he makes the bet that this guy is gonna be gonna have a career year he's gonna be better than he's ever been because he's never put up those numbers and he was wrong and i think he should rob like deserves criticism for being wrong on his oh no for sure but i'm trying to put it on the player you know what i mean i think i think both both have to own this for sure he was wrong for the gamble because there was no evidence

that pierre luke de ball was ever going to turn it around all he's done has been in two locations and asked out and given very little effort so your your your idea is for this guy who's never done this before and has quit on two teams i'm gonna give him a whole bunch of money in a bunch years what that's a poor decision making i agree so here i know it's plus minus and it's not really a thing um the kings have majority of their team is plus players right uh three of their minus players aren't on the team anymore because they're in the minors right then you got uh jared anderson dolan he's a minus two how dare you depth guy carl grunstrom minus two how dare you depth guy andreas england uh minus five depth guy alex laferriere minus six depth guy kevin fiala that's

tough minus six and he's played a lot with pierre luke dubois dubois a minus 16 how are you negative 10 worse than the next closest teammate even it's not on dubois that somebody gave him 8.5 million dollars it is not yes it is the guy said here's this money go be this player if he's not that player that's on the guy who gave him the money i think that's revisionist uh we all thought he had this potential based on what we all thought based on what he's a big asshole who can score at a 30 goal pace even though he hasn't there have been lots of players like that let's be honest uh he's still only i think 25 like there was reason to believe he deserved this contract maybe not 8.5 i feel like i remember that being a little rich but like this is an impact player

and on a team with this kind of depth i thought he'd be a killer and he is of the kings yeah i I think what Pierre-Luc Dubois needs to decide is, are you Josh Anderson or are you the center that everybody projected you would be? Because, you know, Josh Anderson, to me, is the one that most similarly mirrors this. Anderson had really, really one great dominant year with Columbus. Some injuries, I get that. 28 goals. 28 goals. The 28 goal scoring, 30 goal scoring.

And I think there was threats of sitting out or whatever, because I'm pretty sure Darren Ferris is his agent. You bet he is. and uh and that's darren's move and so so then bergevin brings him in and it's like this six year contract of five million bucks and everybody's talking about what a great deal that is for the haves and how they got him at lower than they should have i'm like whoa whoa whoa wait a second and and you know ask haves fans about him now he's really i mean he's very good against the leafs when he when he decides to three or four years ago and there are going to be players like that i think um i just feel like if um pierre luke dubois now it's a question of like what do you want to

be if i'm not mistaken before the age of 25 can you not buy out a contract at one-third its value oh you're not already talking about that wouldn't you be oh i i want to know what rule that falls into because there is a rule where at a certain point like at a youth at a youth level uh i think it's 25 to 35 it's two-thirds but uh i believe it below 25 it's one-third of its value so i don't know if that applies to pierre luke if you were to buy out pierre luke dubois current contract uh according to cap friendly uh it's a 14 year buyout oh yeah so uh buyout cost what's the cap hit there we go the cap hits 1.6 million it's reasonable but it's for 14 years like it's 1.6 million for the first year 1.5 then 2.5 3.7 3.8 3.8 2.8 1.1 through the rest of the next seven

years that's not doable i think that's completely doable i mean that is a thousand percent doable i i mean if you're rob blake i think you make that bio it's a one-third and then resign see if you look to blah bio it spans 14 years cost of 15 point blah blah blah and savings of 31 million he's 25 therefore his buyout ratio is one to three yes but it's 14 years i know but they paid they're paying what's his face uh you know that weird buyout that they got away with uh who was the other guy the la has money the um what was his name richards what oh mike richards mike richards is is still on that weird buyout as well spend uh spend the savings you got from that weird mike richards buyout you didn't deserve and buy out this kid so i'm not saying you do it this

summer but you could next summer go if we get more of the same why are we doing this but then does it not turn to two-thirds it can't so jesse can you change when it's signed can you change the date on the buyout next summer yeah 2025 like i don't know if that makes a difference let's see update results yeah it's more oh it is more so that's two-thirds oh it just changed okay i thought it was based on when the contract signed that's so interesting well they have i think they got to look at it that's so interesting i think there's zero shot yeah but that's so interesting we're even having this conversation i mean this is gonna there's a real potential for this conversation to age totally poorly and he scores 30 40 goals and you know puts up like a con smith performance

yeah but like give us any evidence that this exists would absolutely love to see it going into the all-star break before their game on the wednesday just throw this stat out there before that game where they beat i believe it was nashville and then mcclellan got fired after that yes from january 1st up until that day the la kings were the second worst team in the national hockey league only behind the chicago black that's crazy by points percentage oh and how do you fix that now you're right up against the cap which means they were the worst californian team during that stretch and the other two are the sharks and ducks we know about the sharks they're well they're the real thing everyone's discovering the truth

the ducks surprise me but everyone's discovering the truth they couldn't have played worse you know i have a question wow um is there any use in moving dubois to the wing try it man I mean the Leafs have he's an eight million dollar winger the Leafs have 11 million and 12 million dollar wingers at this point you just got to get him going that's what I mean like I mean I don't want to break up by field Kopitar Kempe but no don't you have to get this next year the LA Kings better be prepared for the season where uh Pierre-Luc Dubois is their highest paid forward because that's going to be the case i'm i'm very interested in uh remember part of the conversation around um dj smith is not everyone

is meant to be a head coach some guys are just really good at being an assistant so he's a vibes guy well jim hiller was head coach of the la kings for about five seconds before he got dj smith on his staff and i think that speaks volumes about dj smith and the vibes he brings and the vibe well and if you can if dj smith isn't a structure guy which we've seen five years in ottawa he's not but he is a guy that players would die for vibes vibes that could help good help a lot of it's in your head so i don't know um i do want to send out our our very best to jason spezza as well um the pittsburgh penguins through their twitter account announced uh a statement from jason spezza said on behalf of my family it is with the heaviest of hearts that i share that my younger

brother matthew passed away due to accidental overdose over the weekend my family and i are heartbroken and ask for privacy during this difficult time and what i what i respect the hell out of on this one is you know we've had we've seen a few players enter um the assistance program through the nhlpa and we're starting to um you know i don't know if this is jason spetz's goal but this might be an unintended good consequence which is saying that no family is immune from this. Whether directly or indirectly, most of us will deal with addiction or some sort of issue along those lines throughout our lifetime. Friends, family, friends of friends, family of family. And I think when he does something like this,

and I think I look at Jason Spezza as a future executive leader at the National Hockey League level, whether he's a GM or he's a president or something, it shows great leadership and showing that these issues affect everybody. And I think when we were growing up, it was, if you went to rehab, it was like, why can't he just put the bottle away? You know, why can't he simply just stop? And we know now that it's a disease

and society looks at it differently, although there are the holdouts that still can't seem to get their head wrapped around it. I really, really wanted to obviously give him our best, but I also want to say that I totally respect the fact that he came out and was public about this and showed that this can happen to anyone. It doesn't matter how much money you make.

conversations totally changed yeah yeah that is positive and that's it's brave of him to do yeah absolutely um and uh you know what guys i think with that let's do a press conference shall we two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. New from Nespresso. Blend wellness into your coffee routine with the Coffee Plus range, infused with functional benefits. Choose the coffee you love

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Heronator writes, Morgan Riley is playing some really good hockey. When did you type this? This was written this morning at 5.26 a.m. actually. so bad timing also why you up so early yeah where do you work yeah what are you adam doing more on radio morgan riley is playing some really good hockey how far off is he from making the 2026 team canada roster who would he have to leapfrog to make the team he's in there he's he's in the next station well one of the things we didn't discuss um is uh there are a couple things

announced on the hockey side of the hockey canada investigation now one of them is um the teams the entire team is banned from canadian international competition yes well in the three teams who are involved uh all get cap relief from it uh-huh um and yeah everyone from that 2018 team team 2018 team is banned until they're not i guess there's gonna be an appeals process for the players who are saying they are not involved so that i assume by the time we get to the four nations what does that keep the four nations it won't apply to because that's an nhl event yes but the olympics are in two years yeah i assume by the time we get to the olympics in two years that you can do an appeals by that i also a car will be on the team yeah i also assume that but as of

right now he's not on the team yes but i think for this exercise we should assume that in two years that's all i agree yeah so macar taves yeah um i'm trying to think of some of the uh uh things i've read shea theodore dougie hamilton uh who else is in there oh evan bouchard is going to be in the conversation yep that's norris trophy outside winner chance norris trophy nominee he should be this year he like like there's always the camp invites at minimum he'll be at the camp he might be there it's fathomable he could be third pair um might be an extra guy he'll be in the conversation we should build our rosters like leading up to that four oh yeah i'm down it's hard off the top of my head yeah yeah he'll

be in the conversation um i think that'll be an interesting one um how team canada breaks down next next uh next winter uh this is from roderick and i think adam you owe steve for this because this is a question for you and it says how many beers did you buy steve over all-star weekend i don't know how much did it cost and i think the answer is zero i don't think i bought you any beers but i do owe you some beers which is a shame because i needed more you did yes actually jesse can we can we play a game called is steve upset about and i want you i sent you a text message can you bring this up sure um i'm not upset if steve's upset about this and i want you to go to just it's a 10 second video i don't want you to go to

the sixth second of this video okay can i play this video you can i think you can yeah you should be able to play it because it's a promo sent out by the leafs twitter account give me give me one second what does this have to do with beer just just bear with me all right beer with you okay so i'd love to be so here we go we got morgan riley this is blue room take one oh there's music in this oh so the leafs have something called blue room is steve upset about it did they take that from you uh yes whether steve's had a bonus for 15 years and rogers took it too so that's sports net probably going ha gotcha oh yeah there's no way they didn't know i think they didn't know but no there's no way yeah how do you feel about it steve i do not own the term uh the

the color blue and having a room that is blue and calling it the blue room in relation to the maple leaves in relation to the maybe it's a little it's a little on the nose though don't you think yep uh yeah just a tad okay uh i think i need to call someone and get the biggest sign made ever presented by rogers huh do you think it's funny how i think it's funny how why is that why is that you know they had the blue room anyway sorry i didn't mean to interrupt jesse continue uh no i think that's i mean like i mean i i i feel like if it's rogers somebody there must have known nah i don't think so that would require people at that executive level to watch the content or even if it's the leafs like if it's just presented by rogers but it's the

leafs i have a picture in the blue room of morgan riley drawing a picture of the blue room yeah i think they must have just took the name that you had do you think you'll get an invite to the blue room with morgan riley no i don't i hope i do that'd be great i love morgan riley yeah he's great are you should you be mad you might have cause to be i'm not i'm not and here's what the I have never been mad. The Leafs and Rodgers will say, yeah, it's too bad. Oh, yeah, they have a habit of doing that. There's nothing you can do.

But, Steve, you might have to get internet mad today. Yeah. We got to do something funny with this. There's got to be something. I think, oh. You going to do something on the internet, Steve? Me? Never.

Okay. You wouldn't get internet mad, would you? No, never. No, okay. This is from Mike. Hi, Mike. Let me know if this grinds your gears. It really bugged me the winnings from the skills competition

wasn't donated to Edmonton Hospital or something. Do you think the winnings should have been donated? No. Oh. No. No, wait, wait, wait. I think you're getting mad a little early there, Mike. Mike?

Mike W3813. Yeah, like, I don't even, he hasn't even received the money yet. Like, give it a sec. give it wait and give connor mcdavid the opportunity to do something with it he's he's on a hundred million dollar contract obviously he doesn't need the money but guys he got what what are we fucking talking about i what the fuck are we talking about hockey i think i'm so fucking sick of this shit mike asked a question mike are you dude are you kidding me oh mike i love you but are you kidding me who's wrote the check the national hockey national hockey league

yeah who's got more money the guy receiving the money or the guy that wrote the check i'll give you a short answer on that it's the guy that wrote the check if you want to hit somebody up for a charitable donation then you could feel free to hit up the national hockey league and its ownership are you are you saying uh i'm saying let the player with the skill and the talent who won the thing and gets it escrow free and agent fee free okay let him take his fucking money because he put on a great show and if you want if the nhl wants to do right by this hey we're gonna give a player a million bucks and we'll match it and donate a million dollars to a charity of the player's choice stop asking these guys because connor mcdavid does a ton in the community

yes he donates his time i'd be shocked if he didn't leader in at least some of this okay i i still have an issue with that if i'm daryl cates take the publicity opportunity and you go and donate it yourself let the player keep the money let's stop asking the millionaires for what billionaires should be giving freely as a tax write-off bare minimum and it's not because it's not really you mike that i'm upset about i'm upset at the question because it this is where it always falls the onus falls on these guys are good people are like yeah i'm making x amount of dollars per year and these guys get to play the game that i pay to play with my friends and i understand that it's uh and they're getting millions of dollars for it these guys they based on every other league

in north america get paid way less proportional to the value that they bring to the league let this man keep his fucking money let the billionaires make the donation and guess what it just means it's a tax write-off here adam i want to play a game uh hi i'm a i'm a giant grocery store uh would you like to donate two dollars to save hungry no it's from the yeah no do i get a tax receipt for that no no did your oh did your profits go up 15 last quarter right are you still gouging the general public this is what i'm saying so so i understand the question and i understand why he asked that connor mcdavid does so much in edmonton for edmontonians how about how how much is daryl cates done i don't know what the answer to that question is

but how much money is daryl cates giving away every year i think i wouldn't i wouldn't go on to daryl cates i would go on to the nhl thing but daryl cates is one of the 32 owners in the end i agree i like but it's that to me it's not him it's he's part of it it's the um it's the chris rock bit from years ago he's like shack is rich the guy who signs shack's check is wealthy yeah that's what i'm that's what i'm saying man this guy earned it except now i think shack is wealthy well shack is now yeah it's it's a bit outdated it's 20 years and then he bought ring cam and yeah he's doing okay but you know what the point the point is this uh i i understand the question i understand these guys can donate time and money and they do i would like to see

the nhl do more of that well let's why stop there i think he should play for free right because he loves the game and all the proceeds and i think the game should be free yeah and i think all the food at the game should be free the reality is i think everything should be free if you believe in a our society where talent is rewarded above all things which we it's debatable whether we live in that or not actually i don't think it's up for debate we don't i believe that talent should be rewarded this is the best player in the world he should be paid like it connor mc okay here's here's my prediction connor mcdavid earned the money he should spend the money however he wants my assumption is however he wants will involve charity because that's what makes him feel good

and he likes doing good and i love that i love that i love that man love that for him uh i have no doubt he will he will help people with that money no doubt adam does uh adam are you coming out of my ears pro or anti-billionaire i i'm not anti-billionaire even i'm just i'm just anti oh we're gonna put the onus on connor mcdavid right when the guy that owns the team has a hundred times his wealth he makes like uh like what a player in the nba makes connor mcdavid will be let's say he'll his career earnings will be 100 million or 150 million by the time his career is over something like that the value that conor mcdavid has brought to the edmonton oilers franchise as in what the crest is worth is 10x that hockey is a sport i know but think just think think the

oil is 10x that no that's what the and so the reason that we talk about the oilers so much that we put so much expectations on the others that we are that they are you know tonight they're going for 17 straight wins why why big game tonight mick fucking david they should uh they should donate uh some of the money that they saved uh getting public funding for the new building steven now you're speaking my language and i'm not saying that millionaires shouldn't donate but i'm just saying man let him have his fucking million bucks he earned it you can call me comrade if you want that's fine that's fine no i would call the person who accepted public money for their big stadium toy comrade that is corporate socialism sorry let's move on that was the last

question okay well let's move on to the extra then we got a show tomorrow so we have to save some energy for that but tomorrow morning we will know whether or not the edmonton oilers have tied an nhl record 17 wins in a row i believe held by the pittsburgh penguins in 92 93 which was a spectacular team featuring two guys you've never heard of Jager and Lemieux and Vegas is so banged up I was just checking to see who's in and out

tonight and I think they're like they're still without Eichel, Carrier, Hutton like Edmonton isn't that just like a regular Tuesday it is but Edmonton this is your time I know they got the first class everything but do they have doctors

that team is perpetually injured and wins anyway i think they play a really really really rough style of hockey oh okay so then it just happens it is uh i think it is sometimes lost how fucking hard it is to play in the nhl yeah who you guys who you guys got i think edmonton's winning i think they're winning oh maddie hold on mad dog thinks edmonton's winning what do you think i think they're gonna tie the nhl record yeah maddie steve what do you think i think vegas would love nothing more than to play spoilers here.

I think it ends. Really? Wow. I think I'll side with Steve. So we'll be 2v2. Vegas does it tonight. Even though I don't want to pick them because there's so many. Okay, does the winner bring donuts tomorrow? And Edmonton's on a roll. Sorry, the loser brings donuts tomorrow. No, man.

Look at me. The winner brings orange slices. I'm trying my best. You just went in too many bets, Steve. Apples? apple apple slices let's go i got some apples at home all right all right a nice crisp salad all right steve dangle and jesse blake versus mad dog and adam all right we'll see you tomorrow don't forget brand new cj show out today as well cj was in the room for the press conference

yesterday with the london pd so you're absolutely going to want to hear his perspective on it which will be completely different from ours and we will see you tomorrow so much going on with apples with apples The Steve Dangle Podcast. Follow the guys on Twitter at Steve underscore Dangle at Adam W-Y-L-D-E and at Jesse Blake. Connection complete.

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