The Steve Dangle Podcast - Brat Spring | May 20, 2026

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

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like people who are in who make millions of dollars and are in positions of authority i'm blown away by what people think that they can get away with and i am shocked sometimes at the audacity but you know what sometimes you have to be audacious now the vegas golden knights lost their appeal uh they went to the nhl the nhl said yeah that's nice we're still finding you a hundred thousand dollars it's still gonna be sorry finding john tortorella a hundred thousand we're still going to dock you the second round pick but the rumor is if they're nice about it and they play within the rules then maybe it gets reduced to the third round pick i think that's atrocious well gary would look extremely weak um and and that's that's the thing here like he would

look weak as hell and that's why i think he can't do it i think it was frege used the term good behavior like if they have good good behavior first of all it was multiple infractions the nhl just won't say what it was also stop talking about them like they're a good ninth grade student who fell in with a bad crowd john tortorella is a 67 year old man and kelly mccrimmon is a 65 year old man literally two senior citizens they get the discount at shoppers drug mart yes making these decisions screw you screw the fine screw your second round pick i also that's ridiculous i also think every time torts gets rehired it's hilarious it's like yeah well you know i've learned from my past and i'd like i always does this shit and at a certain point you're like nah

you're not learning this is just what you believe and that's okay just own it now i want to play the video and it's only the first minute and a half that we got to play i want to play the like the majority of it because it's only a three minute thing it is only three minutes we'll pause it when we need to but yeah it's just mccrimmon and tortorella lying through their teeth yeah play the audio here you can't do the video one second now steve the rule is it can't be 10 seconds and you cut it off you've gotta this that's the steve day since when are there rules so steve no i'm the vegas golden knights there are no rules we gotta play the clip no and then we can replay the clip and you can talk over it we gotta have people here in the class no we gotta have people

here in the club i never do yeah no this is the vegas golden knights rules of listening Listen to Kelly, 65-year-old McCrimmon. Talk down to everybody. Here you go. Thank you, everyone, for assembling late in the day. A couple of items before we begin. We were today

in New York where we had a hearing with the National Hockey League regarding the events following Game 6. We missed a great opportunity that night to connect with our fans and share with them a victory a playoff series i've always felt in a playoff series when you win a series you galvanize

the bond with your fan base we missed uh that opportunity by not having uh john available to do post game that's on john uh for uh failing to do that that's on me as a general manager of the hockey club uh that's not at the feet of our comms people who made other arrangements with each of to accommodate tight quarters in and around our dressing room post-game. It's been way longer than 10 seconds. No. Then to say we were wrong and to assure you that it will not happen again. The league has spoke on the matter.

We have spoken on the matter. Neither John or I will be taking any questions on this. Now. Oh, so Adam gets to pause it. Yeah. Because Adam's jerking off. but adam gets to say what he wants to say on this show oh yeah my name is adam vegas golden knights wild and i get to just make the freaking rules i do and here's what i want to say now there

are there are 20 seconds left in this clip that i do want to play that are the key chunky parts but let's i just want to point out we will not be taking questions on this matter cowards you go up on a podium say your fucking speech that you written down you wrote down and then you won't take questions from the reporters because you're a fucking coward yeah it's crazy man because they're gonna ask you pointed questions that are gonna force you to answer some hard questions and reveal some things that aren't in your written statement also so jesse we're not showing the footage because i assume we can't yeah tell us tell them what you were upset about okay what john tortorella who i'm gonna remind you again is a 67 year old man is sitting at the podium

like a sulky sullen child he's also laughing during the we missed an opportunity to connect with yeah and audibly if you could play the sigh again you actual child he's a child a 67 year old child that's a great opportunity uh that night to connect with our fans and share uh with them a victory a playoff shut the fuck up john you grow old you don't grow up there are rudels but hey steve he likes dogs oh is that not the bare minimum of being a human being it'd be a bigger story if he didn't honestly i trust people who don't like dogs what the what are we doing what are we doing like listen people i've i've said this before i'll say it again as it goes with john totorella people are complicated and people are nuanced he's not a raving lunatic monster no

who just every time you miss a defensive assignment he grabs you by the collar he's just a pissy child he's what he's a pissy child he was a pissy child in philadelphia that's why he got fired yeah ask flyers fans torts torts was a pissy child when he got fired and let's just call it like okay he got fired for being a senior citizen who's a brat he's a brat yeah at over 65 years of age when he was fired in philly for being a brat and a successful brat a stanley cup winning brat he's a brat yeah john tortorella is an actual brat and you know what and not the cool kind like charlie xcx no it's not wait are you saying it's not you know what this is brat spring we've done dober spring now this is brat spring because

here are the vegas golden knights can you make can you make the the the episode like the thumbnail just green just make it green and put brat spring over john tortorella's face yeah make him look like i think jess is gonna do it there's the there's if you want to see the pictures of john tortorella and his face during the it's it's like he's sitting at the back of a classroom in detention yeah it literally is like it's such a it's it you know what it is too and like vegas golden knights fans are gonna love this because what the vegas golden knights are doing and i said this on the last show is they're galvanizing everybody to be like everybody's against us it's us against the world we're the villains hey hey apologize to your sister for taking her toy

i'm sorry for taking your stupid fucking toy that's this 67 year old man you at the that's a you're humiliating you're embarrassing and a brat and i don't respect his behavior at a certain point man like what's what's sad right now is like uh you know when people say well men used to be men men used to be men leaders used to lead that's not leadership and and you know i've you know what what's been shocking to me about this is the amount of golden knights fans who have had it they're annoyed with the golden knights are they yeah there's a lot of them who are like listen man if you guys would just show up to the media we would have our second round pick you fucking morons that yeah and then they'll win game one tonight and they're gonna feel great about it

steve that's what we would say too if that was the leafs are you kidding me of course them we'd carve them yeah but i get why they feel that here's where i'm at like people wonder where like some of the shit i say comes from right like so again i gotta make it about the leafs but with the panthers and also a handful of series against the bruins and getting wayne simmons getting double cross-checked by the montreal canadians and nothing fucking happening and uh the lightning and their endless litigation and the the the second panther series broke me where nothing gets called ever just cheat just cheat that's that's what i came to the conclusion after like oh man steve god that was really out of character when radko gutas took out matthew's

knees because i've seen how the system works nothing happens ever and nothing matters just cheat yep right so now there's the vegas golden knights they're in the final four right and they don't exactly play like the florida panthers but it's the same shit it's the same shit just cheat if you walk this back right because what's actually happening is the vegas gold knights cheated in a different way right they violated the collective bargaining agreement and like other teams have including the leafs and the leafs were fine for it they didn't get a dollar back and now they've been punished for it but we're sitting here and i'm going just give them the fucking pick back because i know you're going to don't make us sit here for

what is probably going to be several weeks is your hand okay they that it did actually hurt i didn't mean to do that i hit the corner that did actually hurt yeah um but he didn't stop no i didn't stop i i uh can you not cut me off 10 seconds in sorry i don't don't make me sit here for weeks on end just for you to give them their stupid pick back right before the draft oh here's the nhl finally doing the right thing before they fart the pick right back into vegas's hands if they can draft a hall of famer with it if there's a press release on june 25th about this draft pick like that's gonna be really upsetting i don't hockey is unreal unreal i love it there's a reason i've hitched my wagon to it it is awesome at every level and i i cannot stomach the way the

nhl conducts itself it is holding the thing i love hostage well hold on and it makes me an insane person they haven't given the pick back yet i know don't pre-argue that wait hold on to that just keep this on stop blaming the nhl the nhl did the right thing here i know but it's always canary in the coal mine right like oh well with good behavior fuck your good behavior you've been acting like brats for years have you ever been starting the rules for years you're not thinking about this fully i think what think about this maybe the nhl leaves that out there to keep vegas in line and goes yeah fuck off we're keeping your pick anyway they could they could just be saying like listen we can't get them to behave yeah so we're gonna dangle this we're not gonna give it

back to them but we're gonna let it seem like it might be possible so that they fulfill their obligations when we get through this season yeah that's also possible you know uh you know which is very gary i think you know in shorzy when uh he's he's reffing and the players on the bench and he just goes the players were the leafs last year yeah and shorzy was the panthers yeah at least when and he went and then nothing happens right so the today version of this is Jeff Merrick had a tweet where he pointed out hey you know Vegas needed Philadelphia's permission to talk to John Tortorella and they offered them that courtesy and Vegas won't return it you know what Vegas's response is they don't fucking care again we've talked about this

they don't operate like gentlemen and they don't and they don't need to they're not obligated to the list of things against vegas you could say the the the things vegas has done that people don't like none of them violate the rules until this right the mark lazarus one i'm not totally sure and the other one i'm not totally sure and what i would like to say also about the nhl being like you know what we're dinging them for this and other previous offenses you didn't ding them for the other previous offenses because you're a weak shitty league god i'm so sick so i'm so sick the next 20 seconds jesse are even more oh god there's more this the next 20 seconds are i think even more important for certain fan bases around the league let's have a listen and to assure you that

it will not happen again the league has spoken the matter we have spoken the matter neither john or i will be taking any questions hold on secondly regarding bruce cassidy teams have asked for permission to speak with bruce we've been consistent that our focus currently is on the stanley cup playoffs and the teams have respected that i've spoken with bruce he understands this as well moving on to the conference finals i don't think he does kelly i don't think he does nope he did a show and i was under the impression he didn't understand that what are you doing all fucking you're under the impression that he didn't uh understand that because he said i want to work into a microphone on an nhl property what do you do all day

you work in you work in the phones they're coming all the trades he's making with his team and That's currently in the playoffs. You're cooking up some crazy deal. So this is where this is where he's a liar. Well, this is the thing. But like, we've become accustomed to you working on signing the other four there, Kelly. Like, what's what's going on? And, you know, in previous years, like 2016, 2017, people would have looked this clip and

gone, these guys are fucking idiots. You could lose your job for lying like that back in the day. This is this is now like this is comical clown shoes stuff. And listen, I understand that they have every right to hold Bruce Cassidy back. They do. Yes. It's written in the contract. However, they're not breaking any rules.

However, just say that. We have the right to withhold that until our playoffs are done. And that's what we're doing. We all know what's going on. We called this out from day one before this fine, I think, was even levied. We're like, listen, Vegas doesn't want to help out divisional rival Edmonton. They don't want to help a divisional rival LA. They're paying the contract.

sucks for bruce cassidy who's in his 60s and if they just continue to hold him hostage may never coach again you know that's a little extreme it is a little extreme on account of john totorella 67 and these guys never retire yeah he'll be coaching whenever they allow him to coach his contract is only for one more year yeah so like if if they actually go through this thing it'd be next year he's looking at all the jobs in the vacancies but he'll coach again if the flyers did this to john tortorella he would have shit himself with the power of a space shuttle now uh yeah the flyers did have to i mean they had to he was under contract with the flyers when vegas asked for permission at the end of the season now they were not uh they were not divisional

rivals however uh this is a this is a thing that isn't done and i just wish vegas would just come out and just say it just say listen they're division rivals uh we don't want to help them and where we have every right to not help them. So we're not doing it. But they don't have to say that. But they're saying it's a distraction for the players. You're allowed to believe the players care where Cassidy ends up. You don't have to say that because you're allowed to lie into a microphone

because you're not under oath at an NHL podium. Can I read the statement from the NHL Coaches Association? Yeah, do it. Because I think that there's enough evidence here that Bruce Cassidy is not happy with what's currently happening. I wonder what Jack Eichel thinks about Bruce Cassidy not being able to go where he wants to go. Yeah, exactly.

Resume his career. The NHL Coaches Association has been closely monitoring the situation involving Bruce Cassidy. While we respect the league's rules and processes, it is our position that coaches who remain under contract but are no longer working for their club should not be prevented from pursuing other employment opportunities. It would be unprecedented at the head coaching level should multiple teams be denied permission to speak with Coach Cassidy. The situation is still unfolding, but our priority is to protect the interests of our members in this type of circumstance. This is from an association that John Tortorella belongs to, by the way. Yes. Well, John was granted permission.

I think I don't think it has anything to do with John. It has everything to do with Vegas. And listen, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Nobody is. And we talked about it on Agent Provocateur. Remember, we had the guy on who who actually manages these relationships. Gil Scott. Gil Scott.

um i asked him about it i said like do you think this affects coaches you know wanting to coach in vegas and he's like no he's like there's 32 jobs so anybody out there that's making the claim that oh well people will think no they won't they're not going to think twice about that logic never that logic never applies to this city does it it's always no let's not make it about that though why not no the city's full of bad toxic people no one's ever going to want to go steve come on Let's pull it back. Oh, we're evil. I think the point is, the point is that this is Vegas pushing the boundaries.

I'm sure Gary gave it to them in that hearing. I'm sure he talked to them. I'm sure they've had phone calls, but I have a feeling that they kind of were like, okay, fine. We'll just, we'll just keep going with this. And here's the question. The question is how long it goes on for, because it's entirely possible. They go, yeah, in July, you can talk to them.

And I don't think Edmonton has that long. I don't think LA has that long. um i don't if toronto makes contact although that doesn't seem to be a fit i don't think toronto has that it is technically allowed to go on for one more season that is how long he is under contract for they could say under their under the rules that he's not allowed to talk to anybody until next june next june 30th yeah yeah at the end of the next working calendar i don't think there's any way it goes that far it could having a lawyer when you're legally in the right is legitimately fun yeah but he's not as someone who has done that why why is vegas not

in the right oh vegas is in the right yeah he's not no no oh this is what i'm saying so uh again again the good thing to do here is let him go what's the legal thing the legal thing is fuck the oilers fuck the kings right uh and canucks now and canucks now another pacific division team damn sucks to suck right that's how vegas operates um like i had a i got a nasty legal email one time and uh said to my lawyer i go what does that mean and they're like they didn't like my tone from the last email that was it and they just laughed about it like so the nhl can look at vegas and go we don't like your tone and we don't like the way you operate and vegas can go lol sucks to suck these are the rules you made these are the rules you made and we're

following them yeah eat shit i think it's such like it's such brad practice you know amongst people who are you gotta just associate with throughout the entire tenure you're gonna be working in the nhl like i feel i don't know i don't know i feel the weird about the relationship that kelly mccrimmon and all the guys in bill foley as one of the owners are gonna have with the rest of the league like they're truly don't care no but there's got there's got to be a perception now amongst everybody else in the league about like hey you're doing the wrong thing with your brethren here because there are these limited jobs there are only 32 teams and why are you fucking around like this jesse uh mark andre flurry won a vesna for them

they traded him for a guy no one at this table can name name him future considerations nope It was a guy with a very long Finnish name. Okay, I have no idea. Hakkanainen? Oh, okay. That sounds Finnish. It does. Might not be the right one, right? Vakkanainen? No, it wasn't Vakkanainen.

That's a real person, I think. I'm sure we could look it up. Oh, no. What fun would that be? They traded him and we tut-tutted them. They didn't make the playoffs and we all went, ha ha see yeah and then they won the cup yep so you know vegas has been tutted for years michael

hacker ryan and hacker ryan and damn it i was pretty close yeah yeah shoot you were you were very close they've uh been tut tutted for years and it's like k k am i wrong though that's why i hope the second round pick sticks because it should it's got to be the punishment for everything you've done to everybody. Everyone should be cool with Vegas paying an asshole tax. Yeah. That's what it's got to be, and I really hope Gary Bettman doesn't back down.

Oh, they're getting fined second round pick for being assholes? No. They're getting fined for violating the collective bargaining agreement. The punishment is sticking because of the asshole tax. Yeah, there you go. Perfect. That's what I hope we all, we get the conclusion

here to this story is, yeah, they got the second round pick taken away yeah so with that we'll leave it and we will go to unless you want to go the rest of the press conference there jesse and run and run that's all three minutes okay uh what do you think it was like when they spoke to mitch marner for the first time july 1st 2025 the first time yeah oh no they talked to him in that week in june because they had to get the contract all right so that when they talked to him june 20th the first time no adam he signed that contract with the leafs go to puck media he signed it with the leafs i know he did they talked they never spoke of 25 let's be honest i don't think so sorry august of 24 four jesse that would be against

the rules yeah and they don't do that no we've already established they don't do that until now for the first time ever well why are we hating we're just hating on them because we lost margaret to them that's what we're doing oh yeah i hope you guys can live with yourselves let's do some ontario toyota dealers your ontario toyota dealers are in red tag days right now and you should go get yourself or at least test drive the toyota tacoma the most powerful tacoma ever now we are heading into the third round the question is who will be the most tacoma like the most powerful with the last four teams in this league we got two series left in this round we got one more after it who in this third round is going to be that steve you have someone i do give it to us this person

has been dependable this person has a preposterous iron man streak brent burns brent burns okay brent burns is going to be extremely important for the colorado avalanche especially if they're managing a kill mccarr injury which looks like they are we're getting into that next too brent burns was on the ice when they tied their series winning game against the minnesota wild brent burns i love that jesse blake i have to pick the man who's gonna carry his team to the stanley cup final and that's gonna be frederick anderson because we all know hockey is just goalie right you should change the name it's just hey who's got the hottest goalie who's gonna tow their team to the next round and the best goalie in the league right now is frederick anderson i love that so

Well, I'm picking him. Same team, different player. Jake Slavin. There's power out there. That's a guy. It's not even that he crushes people. It's not even that he is, you know, he's not spectacular to watch. But what I love about Jake Slavin is he is the leader of the identity of the Carolina

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out there yeah hopefully we can still get it done without him that sure sounds like he's not playing oh he is not playing oh okay yeah yeah yeah no jared bednar said that this morning not playing game one yeah yeah okay at least if you're gonna get no i didn't know that i didn't know that let me just uh edit my fantasy lineup either okay yeah they had their uh he had his press conference after morning skate and he said confirmed kale mccarr is now day to day and he's not playing game one you gotta wonder what an injury like that could be if kale mccarr is out it's got to be bad yeah well we saw him on the bench doing the hip thing you know trying to loosen it up earlier in the series so maybe it's related to that yeah could be could be you know that hit was a crazy

that was a felino hit marcus felino i think and he sent him flying but it was like it didn't seem like anything could have gone that wrong but it sure feels like something did i don't understand what injuries hurt who how did you see that that screen cap of owen power uh no which one he was bent into a yoga pose and was fine on the end boards and i don't he might have missed one shift it doesn't make any sense and then kaelin mccarr somehow getting sent flying into like a mortal combat phrase frame um takes him out of a conference final game yikes on bikes man that is that's a series flipper potentially well this is the thing i'm like i'm looking at this and i'm like i'm looking at the the avalanche lack of getting anything done on the power play in the

regular season different from the playoffs um and the vegas penalty kill and i'm like oh man this could really shift this is bad it's bad and i know vegas it i don't think they have mark stone i don't think we know that you never freaking know yeah he could play game one miss two be back for three and like and be the hero game seven yeah that's mark stone you have no idea for anybody who hadn't seen it here's the still of kale mccarr putting numbing cream on his hip during the wild series so it might be that that hip injury that's bothering him could be something else that's lovely is he wearing a surgical glove yeah because i think the trainer hands him the thing and the glove to throw on so that he can put the cream on his hip and there he is reaching

his hands into his pants and there's devon taves going he's fine he's fine he's fine he's fine he's fine he's fine this changes everything though it's like this is this is now a different series and i wish i had this information when you're predicting the series yes right kale mccarr off of any nhl team is a different team well he played overtime he played overtime i'm like oh he's fine he's such a impactful player in every aspect of the game like on both sides and he controls the play so much when he's out there that it's gonna be it's gonna be a different avalanche team when you're watching them they're gonna have to play with a different style listen just just cut to the chase they're winning they're being vegas winning the cup marner's

winning con smith it's going to be a long summer it's gonna be a long summer ah we got the first overall pick i don't care i guess i don't care screw them i'm moving on i guess uh the the the thing is the vegas uh vegas is still gonna have to deal with a relatively healthy forward group right and you know both teams have a lot of depth at center surprise surprise teams with depth at center always end up in the final four in the finals um it's it's not like it's all lost and malinsky is much better than people give him credit for my question is he missed a couple of games in the last series how hurt is he he's playing but he's their major puck mover now when they used to have two this is why i'm hammering the brent burns button because he was

great in game seven man dude he's so important can he keep so important doing that though can he keep doing empty the clip brent empty the clip this might be it this might be it this is your Ray Bork moment yeah you got to play for three more weeks Brent has he ever won I don't think he has no he has not I think he went to the cup final with the Sharks in 2016 and that's it this is it Brent oh you got to do it lay it all out there Brent he hasn't missed a day of work in his 30 there are players getting drafted in June who have fathers that are younger than Brent Burns you did say that on the last show i didn't i'm saying it again because it's nuts that's crazy you gotta lay it all out there brent this is all on you now dude jesse i i think we're

we might be like what is the game now 12 hours away from the sam malinsky coming out party because he's gonna slot in there next to taves and he's gonna do his best mccarr impression right that's gonna be his job tonight is you are now kale mccarr let's see what you can do and he was good based on the numbers from when macar missed a couple games during the regular season he was good in that role like but the abs are a great team and he was able to slot in there and do that so if he's able to replicate that what he did in the regular season we might be sitting here on friday being like damn sam meliski is just as good as all these guys now not as great as kill macar obviously but when he's not available macar is they have an adequate replacement yeah

you know so there is that possibility here macar has like even better defensive chops than he gets credit for because people are trying to make him into evan bouchard and it's and it's not working but there was a moment during the 2022 western conference final um where maybe it was mcdavid versus macar one-on-one and the ease that macar took the puck off him i'm like oh no the oilers aren't winning the game they're not winning the game they're so screwed and then they didn't um but this is this is a series flipper man this is a big big deal if vegas wins game one in colorado oh my god i'm still picking colorado like i'm not going off that i'm gonna hop on the melinsky train i listen he's great yeah he's an excellent

excellent player and nobody pays attention because kale mccarr is you know a a titan and takes up all the energy and and that sort of thing but that you're right jesse this could be it and it you know what i think it has to be if they're gonna win it has to be it's not like maybe no you got to go if you're sam malinsky today you know that and you probably feel a little bit of the weight of that and you also just signed a big was it not a six-year extension worth 30 plus million dollars a lot you know a few months ago you've got to be that guy now that's what they're paying you for i think this is if this was an elimination game mccarr would be playing on account of we saw him return to an elimination game yeah um but maybe he thinks he can get a lot healthier in the next

couple of games then colorado's not out of it their plan is to play for the next almost month right so you gotta manage that you gotta manage it let's talk about game seven very quickly montreal buffalo which a hundred thousand people tuned in to see steve stream um which is incredible who watches this uh i know i know what the funniest part is is the uh is the the fact that the clips are always see steve's a habs fan it's like wow you got him uh but i uh i do want to say that habs fans caused a mini earthquake uh when that when the oh this is a true story by the way when uh when the goal went in for uh the overtime yeah uh it the the screams were so loud and the cheering so much and the stomping and whatever it caused a seismic activity measuring a point

five on the richter scale in montreal it's actually insane that's it's amazing and they've got formula one there this weekend so tim haraney is down there and i'm like just tell me this morning we were recording the show i was like just tell me about the vibe he's like it's euphoric in that city he's like you wouldn't believe he's like it's always fun yes but i mean montreal and then you've got you montreal in the eastern conference final formula one this weekend it's crazy they're gonna get tickets no no no no he's got to work the whole thing right esn's got him busy habs fan are having the worst best time i've ever seen they're so stressed well it's like us with the jays right like it was stressful that was stressful and the thing

about baseball is like it's every fucking night oh my god at least you get a break here but but sometimes in the group chat with cj i'm like you know what being a leaf fan i think is better for me than this blue jays would be tough for you i think if you love the blue jays the way you love the leaf to live and die every every day yeah every day every day i got i we got like what 14 back-to-backs a year or something like that every day intense i'd die so so going now we've done our season preview for sorry our series preview for this for this so you can check it out on uh on the youtube page it's already there but i i do want to ask about buffalo in this because buffalo's got a lot to be proud of like truly incredible season uh they outplayed montreal in game seven

probably i think they'll play them in game six too which is why they won um uh yeah and but here's the thing interestingly the sabers have entered the offseason with an estimated 12.9 million dollars in cap space for next year that's 25th in the league their rfas include just some names Benson, Krabs, and Kesselring. Okay, Kesselring being the original centerpiece of the J.J. Paterka deal, which turned into actually the Josh Doan deal. That's pretty interesting.

UFAs, this one you'll know, Tuck, but also Beck Malenstein, Tanner Pearson, Josh Dunn, Luke Shen, Logan Stanley. Now, the three names on that list that I think are the most important are Tuck, Malenstein, and Logan Stanley. I think Tuck was rumored to want roughly what the sabers have in cap space yeah and remember they've got zucker and greenway i

think that are probably making too much money so you probably try to move those guys but logan stanley might be in for an massive payday that i don't think people are ready for he's six foot seven i'm walking away you're walking away from logan yeah if i'm buffalo i'm walking are you walking away from beck malenstein who's extremely big and one of the fastest skaters on the planet no i try to keep him and alex tuck what do you do there i don't freaking know because earlier in the series even though he wasn't scoring i thought he was effective and their numbers were horrible as a line but i didn't see him as the centerpiece of it i saw the centerpiece as the center and that was tage thompson who ended up it's interesting the the conversation now that the series is done

has switched to tuck was bad to me it was tuck and thompson were horrible together thompson was great on his new line tuck wasn't right that's how i look at it like if you look at thompson's it's it's a little bit of the marner conversation if you look at thompson's numbers throughout the series you go what's the problem if you look at the individual games oh that's the problem or the individual moments uh from game seven when it comes to tuck i don't have a good explanation i don't um the puck didn't go in he never seemed to i feel like he didn't use his teammates well and they didn't use him well there were so many times where i'm like all right he's in a fierce puck battle and oh he got it and he's the only saber where did they all go they're all

changing or something he was trying like he's shooting he's hitting this puck didn't go in man puck didn't go in you look at his last two regular seasons it's kind of alarming how consistent his production's been and it just died i don't have a good explanation for that and i have a hard time giving them double digits after a performance like that jesse what how much would you weigh alex tuck's future in buffalo based on the couple of rounds that he had in the playoffs like is this something that it's like hey he just had a he just had an unproductive playoff uh but we still love this guy and can commit to him long term or because the rumor out there midseason was that it was not, you know, nine million. It was 10 million plus. I wouldn't if it were up to me, I would be

reluctant to give him that money. I never like paying a guy at that age who's kind of peaking at this point in his career. But I think it's tough because of the the ties to Buffalo are so strong and you know you want to keep around guys who want to be there yeah so i think like that factor as well but when you notice like his career highs have come in the last two seasons scored 36 goals in the 25 season and then 33 in the most recent season man so when you're there and you're 30 you can't expect that pace to sustain you know like if the guy was 26 you'd be go for the next 10 years or whatever so i expect as soon as you're signing this contract you're probably getting two more years out of that level of production and then we're probably dropping off especially

with this i think you got to take a lot from this playoff performance where it's like hey this is where the games matter the most and you weren't the best this was your worst part of your season so i'd be reluctant to give him that money but i think from a franchise as a whole you kind of just have to do it and swallow the pill he is from western new york the most he could get in terms of years anywhere else now is six seven is what the sabers could sign him to so they do have that advantage of being able to keep the aav down if he truly wants to stay which i think you know he does he said in his press conference today which is happening by the way right now they're doing locker clean out that he hasn't focused on it and he's going to start to have those

conversations with his family uh and his agent and the sabers in the next few days uh what gives me pause about the tuck number is uh like i'm not actually looking at that list of free agents overly alarmed like you got shen as a deadline guy you got stanley as a deadline guy as well malenstein i would really fight to keep it at the end of the day he's a fourth liner like you have a ton of young prospects it's time to enjoy the fruits of that helenus i think is very obviously uh capable of a bigger role on this team it's benson the the guy i'm more concerned about locking up is zach benson you lock that boy up for as long as you can yeah and he's an rfa so it's a little different of a deal there yes yes and talks with him because

he's an rfa might allow you to get the tuck deal done but at some point you're gonna have to pay the piper there i just think if you're if you're buffalo and there wasn't the association with western new york with tuck i'd look at him as a replacement player like i could get what i need out of that spot in the lineup out of different pieces whether it's a young guy filling in those goals or if it's just a collection of free agent signings because 10 million dollars is a lot it is and jess you know the other thing is buffalo has been at the bottom of the standings for a long long time my assumption is that their system is pretty good i'm not a prospects expert but i would imagine they're in the top third of the league so sometimes what happens too with teams like this is

the veteran gets pushed out and it allows young players to kind of assert themselves next season right and i gotta think um yarmo's probably got some guys that it goes okay if tuck goes we'll move this guy up and somebody will get into the third line or something so this is the funny thing i'm looking at the rochester americans their top scorer in the regular season while it's actually tied it's constant uh helenus who had 62 points in 63 games that's amazing that's ridiculous in the a their second leading scorer is a uh defenseman named zach jones who played a bunch with the rangers he's played 115 games in the nhl 28 points this season he had 62 points in 60 games as a defenseman the ahl is wonky all right so who's third oh isaac rosen yeah you could promote

him oh nope you traded him to the jets as part of that deal right so you got to go even further down i guess the sabers are fascinating because you could argue from a certain point in the season they were the best team in the nhl right but i would argue they're a team built for the future okay so which team do you want to be right this is why i'm prioritizing benson because i'm looking at what the sabers have and i'm like do you you don't want this to be a flash in the pan kind of year and you don't want to contend for the next two years at the cost of falling off a cliff i want to build this program for the future right so that's why i'm concerned about a potential tuck deal yeah i don't know i don't know what to do there but they have options they have guys

they can trade something i wonder about too in a trade is you know bo byram has like a year left on his deal there was some i mean i think he tried to get traded anyway and kevin adams was just like no um and now with yarmo there you got a year left he makes six and a half he's a right shot defenseman and no no he's uh sorry left shot lefty who i think sometimes plays right but you've got Radom Mirka just waiting in the minors and I wonder if you know you are able to trade Bo Byram

for the guy that might replace Alex Tuck because I think that's a pretty valuable piece right? I got it. It's a half million dollars I have to check. Did they trade Mirka? I don't think they did No no Mirka's on the team. Oh okay No no because wasn't he supposed to be part of the Pareko deal?

Yes he was but he's not. Aha Yeah. Interesting. And had 34 points in 43 games with the Thunderbirds in the WHL so maybe he's a year or two away like could be that too he's 18 yeah he's still eight but you got what I'm saying is there are options here they can be flexible yeah but they're gonna have to move

some salary this is why I'm saying like I think you're built for the future but I think the way these guys these executives look at the NHL is no we're good now like look at what the Leafs did right that all we were a game away from the from the third round

sabers have got to be thinking the same thing that now you got two atlantic division teams cursing the habs because we were the better team in game seven and lost right they were so good for so long and they got so close to a birth in the final four i think they might just go for it i think you just settle on just bringing tuck back you know you know yeah i think you just sit on it like yeah bring him back try it again you you sign benson you sign tuck you figure out the rest later and you deal with it later yep so every time a new season hits uh you realize in your your wardrobe specifically a summer one you're like oh that that's a little old that probably doesn't work anymore and that's why you should give fabletics a try uh when you sign up as a

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Do we get to talk a little about the game specifically at all? Sure, I just figured it was old news two days ago. No, stupid. But yeah, talk about the game. We haven't had a podcast. Yeah, I know. but yeah go ahead what do you want to say steve i think your perspective is the most interesting on on what went down on the on the new hook goal if you want to start from the end and oh my god way

back but i don't i don't feel like the daline play in the other zone is getting enough shine on what an egregious mistake that is on that turnover and credit to the habs there on pressuring that puck but for for him to make this play at the line where he's trying to take the haves one-on-one with a fake slap shot and then keeping the puck and trying to dangle around and feeding a forcing forcing a pass to tage thompson that doesn't work and leads to go the other way the margins in the playoffs are so slim that when you make mistakes like this that's what leads to series ending goals who's the pressuring player is that demidoff i forgot i think it's demidoff i wanted to give him the habs credit on that one too because yeah dalian's got the puck at his own blue line and he

decides to fake a slap shot and then not take it and i believe it's demidoff who decides to just keep going at him and it forces this play because now he's like okay i'm gonna try and pass this puck to tage here and he can't do it and the habs are going the other way as as tage loses it there and then the Habs are in perfect position to go back up and Newhook scores that goal. It is a grenade right onto the stick of Tage Thompson's. And I don't really blame Tage for it. I know he's the guy who turned it over.

Demidov, to me, has been incredible. Oh my God, look at the shots. They're 39 to 24. Demidov, he's been so snakebitten and he finally got off the schneid there with a couple goals. but i've really liked his defensive chops i'm amazed the system martin saint louis has everyone playing it's it's a little barubi-esque um not nearly as heavy um they're just dogged they try really really hard um what what did you think of the goal that was called back

sabers fans are upset about i think it was the right call i do too he poked him The whistle blew. The whistle also blew. The whistle blew and he poked the puck that wasn't really loose because it's in between the pads. You can't do that. I know. And like, listen, if it was against the rules,

I'd 100% be on the show going, ah, not a league. Like I have many, many times. I know the puck was loose when the whistle was blown. But what is it? The intent to blow the whistle? It's under Dovish. It's not a goal, guys. and hey listen lindy ruff you scream no goal for long enough sometimes it becomes true

what did you think of the dobish uh flop i don't want to use the flop words but i will flop it all over the place when he got hit uh so he did get hit once where i'm like i get it but then it looked like he got shot so i called that a flop in real time and then they showed the replay from in the net and i went oh yeah he got hit hard yeah no zucker hit him hard and intentionally uh no he's selling it i thought it was fair it was a fair non-call because he embellished the hit it was a hard hit but he took it to another level and embellishment is illegal so i guess you don't call the goalie interference because that he embellished it so i thought it was fair to just go all square it'd be great if you go back and look at him turning to the ref

because the ref like makes a face like how dare you even ask me to call something right now this is game seven yeah like how listen most of these guys don't know what it's like to play in a game seven you do you did it two weeks ago how dare you even ask me yeah uh i thought that was funny i thought nick suzuki slapping zucker in the face right in front of the ref it was a love paw but it was good yeah it was good it makes for a great gif yeah it's a great meme no um that that was not a goal the the execution the lack of execution i should say on the power play by the sabers late in that game i thought oh no goes to the box it would have been my heart would have been broken if phil to know ended up being the billy goat of the game with that late high

sticking penalty goes to that box third period buffalo sabers power play and montreal executes perfectly on the penalty kill they're unreal like they they were fantastic defensively and really good instincts really good sticks then like they're a really high scoring team in the regular season i believe they're seventh in goals per game in the regular season and scoring they've struggled in the playoffs you know like all of their top guys aren't doing it at five on five and they've stepped up defensively with dobish playing great and these little moments where they don't need all of the scoring that they got in the regular season to win these games and they won another close game seven just like in the tampa one where they didn't need a bunch of goals

in here they're able to just get that extra one and and they did it i'm trying to find the tweet i believe it was travis yost but um supposedly in that series the suzuki slavkovsky um caulfield line was outscored 10-3 at even strength that's either in the series or in the playoffs both are shocking how are you alive how are you still playing it feels that way with slav on the ice he's i think he's had a really poor postseason so far he's just like i watch him play generally and i don't hate it but like there's you're not more is expected of you right and this is this is the conversation we often have with the leafs come this time of year but you guys are the stars more is expected of you and here i am sitting going well nick suzuki's playing good defense

more is expected of you Caulfield well he's getting his power plate cookie more is expected of you but they're in the final four so who cares it's crazy it's crazy and the path is

psychotic you have Vegas who's beaten no disrespect Utah and Anaheim you have Carolina who's beaten no disrespect ottawa and philadelphia you have the avalanche who beat the kings and it was a joke and then they mopped that was minnesota that was a really good clinical yeah i didn't expect i

didn't expect them to beat them at all but i didn't expect them to beat them like that tampa and buffalo yeah seven games each battle tested holy shit they should just get 28 games man no one's ever done it no one's ever done it yeah and when they won those games against buffalo to the habs credit because people were really upset that you called the series tight they won those games resoundingly like they weren't in overtime they weren't they weren't like they weren't small victories you know they dominated in their victories but yeah when it came down to it in that game seven overtime it was tight it was a tight series they did and like i almost felt i don't know i don't know if this is the right way to look at it i almost felt

um tampa had a better chance to beat montreal than buffalo did yeah i agree um like in those tight moments um even though it's weird again you look at the numbers in buffalo that's 39 to 24 that's so insane um buffalo seemed like leagues and miles better dobish was able to give them simple saves and a few really good ones um they wilted in some of those moments yeah the habs are weirdly able to play really well when they're getting hemmed in and like that the middle portion of the game i'd say buffalo controlled a lot of the play but montreal was able to just do enough to to stay in it and and win the game eventually i think if buffalo can find someone to consistently give benson the puck

he'll score 40 in this league he's crazy and maybe there's all the goals you're gonna leave uh tuck behind with right yeah yeah there you go mate you know what maybe if alex tuck performed they'd be playing today well tomorrow radio hey no he's freaking right that's what they're probably wgr 550 yeah that's what that's what the call-in segment's saying right now if he scores the game seven winner do you know any of us remember or care yeah you might remember you definitely don't care right if or if he assists on if he gets a secondary assist on it yeah how about if he gets nothing and they win anyway yeah don't care these are the margins because here's the thing if the haves had lost we've been like well suzuki needs to bring more and slavkoski needs to bring more

right that's how it goes now i have to move us on because we got a bunch of interesting topics and And as much as I love the Montreal Buffalo series, it ended 48 hours ago and we got to move forward. So looking at compensation for RFAs, if an offer sheet is even made this offseason, it seems more likely now than ever just because of the amount of cap space that's available. But 1.5759 million or less, that's no compensation at all. Everybody's going to match that because everybody's got cap room. Not everybody. 1.5759 to 2.38 is a third round 2.38 to 4.775 is a second round 4.775 to 7.163 is first and a third 7.163 to 9.5 is first second and third 9.5 to 11.9 is two first one second one third and finally the big boy almost 12 million dollars or more so it's 11.939 for four first round picks I think no one's doing that uh no one's doing that but you know listen if like Macklin Celebrini

is an RFA all right wow you could have four first overall picks and never get a Macklin Celebrini right I would make that offer sure but now San Jose is gonna have that wrapped up before we even hit free agency but that is where you kind of have to wait it's like okay I would have four first round picks i get four different players or i'm gonna have macklin you're gonna get macklin all day all day figure it out later the name that keeps coming up is mackie samuskevich in florida that's an interesting one because they are capped out they don't have the room right they're in a little bit of an oiler but he has to sign it but he has to sign it what's the high end of just second round pick uh give me a sec it was four something 4.75

does florida match that can they yeah does it make sense for them to match that i don't know if it makes sense because they're also going to get a you know they're in the top 10 right they're going to get a draft pick here like they'll be okay they might just go meh that's that's there's an attrition to being great and florida has to accept that and i'm sure they do bill zito does the hockey man thing where he goes listen i know you can just offer sheet him give me a second and a third and we don't have to go through that whole song and dance right that's how they operate good for them good for them right like doug armstrong and his weird pity trade he did with the oilers after yeah so he doesn't torch the relationship i think mostly never but jess what are you looking

at uh macklin celebrini is not offer sheet eligible oh he's not oh yeah because he's coming off the elc no he has another year left does he really have another year oh yeah right contract expires in 27 they are still going to sign him to an extension this offseason i'm convinced i'm convinced they should but that's why also he shouldn't you don't know where the cap's going do not sign that unless you're making yeah i do north caprizov money like get get your money he's gonna be the first 20 mcdavid mccarr might be too it might be celebrating i don't think he gets that this i don't think either but no no no i don't think so you can ask for anybody is curious there are 63 total players that are offer sheet eligible this off season the highest point getter

available uh who could be offer sheeted is jason robertson what about wow bedard's on that list connor bedard so i'll run through the top uh point getters in terms of who can be offer sheeted in terms of skaters this does not include goaltenders thank you to puckpedia for this information puckpedia an amazing resource for hockey fans jason robertson connor bedard Trevor Zegers, Leo Carlson, Dora Faev, Adam Fantilli, Connor McMichael, Zach Benson, Chinnokaw, Maverick Bork, Brant Clark, Matthias Michelli. Don't you dare! Somebody please. There's already arguments out there, Jesse, that actually know you guys are all wrong about Michelli.

And that he's good? No. Moving on. I ate crepes. maybe maybe maybe berube cole sillinger nick robertson jamie drysdale cole perfetti sam escavage robertson's interesting and there we go yeah those are the main ones yeah then we get into the and none of them will get an offer then we oh jack drury's on this list too oh nemich is on this list yeah no i should have kept scrolling evanson hayton yeah yeah there's some there's

some names mintikov still on this list so is zellweger which is olin zellweger is better than people think man yeah he's a good player you have a kirby doc that's pretty interesting people keep bringing up uh barrett hayton just because jake had drafted him but i don't know i don't see it and the most important name on this list mark gatcombe yeah yeah mark gatcombe is the most important name on this list because he's the one who scored two goals in the ovechkin game where ovechkin broke the record against the islanders right and let's be honest mark gatcomb got his first star of the game stolen oh by ovechkin has mark gatcomb ever gotten first star in an nhl game probably not has he ever scored two goals in an nhl game ever again

probably not ovi owes him he does actually the most interesting person on that list number 54 uh vincent yorio who i found out uh the other day because my wife is a stunt double for the hit series off campus oh really wife is she's a huge fan no your wife is a stunt double for the no oh did i word it wrong yeah yeah she's a stunt double i was like what when no sorry she you said that one of the hockey players stunt doubles is vincent yorio that's fun uh i know what you meant by the way off campus apparently is just hugely successful and there's like a million bucks so they're just gonna keep making those there's uh man they waste no time they go straight to the gratuitous naked butt shot yeah straight up here it is listen why wait

why wait why wait to work why don't we to watch for 60 minutes for that to happen are we beating around the butt um what would a jason robertson offer sheet come in on the on the compensation list it's going to be over i mean he jason roberts is going to make 12 but where would it lie within the picks you got to give up well before first right because he's going to be if he's over if he's over 11.939 it's four first round picks what's the one below it uh two first a second and a third for no like the money oh sorry 9.5 to 11.9 if you off if you if you went on if you went in that category and you're not going to get a jason roberts in every draft for 11 million let's say yeah and then you got to give up what you said two first yeah and let's say you're a

team i don't know like here's the thing here's the thing let's say you're a team that thinks you're going to be good for a while right and you're yeah your picks are going to be 25 to 31 or 32 in the draft robertson for like that's a trade i would make yes okay he had 96 points yes let's play this game okay give it to us let's play this game you're san jose you don't need any more firepower up front you don't need your pick no no no no no no you can never have enough i guess but you're gonna need a defense core at some point you're san jose you're stacked with young talent stacked you did the draft thing you killed the draft thing you're good this year the hockey gods descended from hockey heaven and went oh and they gifted

you the second overall pick. Which is unbelievable. It's amazing. Use that second overall pick, get a crazy player, and throw every draft pick out the friggin' door and offer sheet Jason Robertson. Yeah. You have the space, you have

the young roster asset justification to do it. Go ahead and do it. And you should be good enough that those two first round picks that you're going to give up aren't ridiculously high anymore nope they're not i'm looking at current cap space oh do the stars have a lot that's less fun yeah i don't know that they do room for uh they currently

they currently have 1 million but the 775 that he's making is coming off the boat yeah because it only cost them like 5 million more well not if they want to keep them no i mean like you got to account for the only need to go up like four yeah it's not a 12 ad it's a 775 minus whatever the difference is it's really like a four million dollar yeah so here's what they have coming off the books and obviously they can make trades too so there's robertson at 775 which let's say he gets 12 okay so you're adding five four ish whatever um bunting at 4.5 is coming off the books um but he was a trade deadline acquisition jamie jamie ben has a million dollar cap it oh he signed one of those stupid bergeron deals yeah yeah it's got a bunch of bonuses in it okay so that's

interesting uh maverick bork probably gonna want to raise he's an rfa uh r2 huru i don't know how much of a raise they're ernie bastion you can handle that you got anything on the back ends Petrovic, Kope Bianco, you survive, nothing in net. That's way, that's boring.

I'm upset about that. What were you trying to figure out? Well, I was trying to figure out if the Sharks could offer Jason Robertson because it'd be fun. And they can't?

And they probably could, but I think the Stars would match. Awesome. Now, we do have, because we got limited time, I got a bunch of headlines that I got to get through.

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At participating A&W locations in Ontario Maple Leaf Hot Stove did a really good deep dive on David Carl who appears to be the leading candidate for at least what the Leafs want as a coach. Obviously, very, very successful coach. I didn't realize he was Matt Carl's brother. And I also didn't realize Matt Carl of the San Jose Sharks and other teams too.

And he was also drafted after they found out that he had a heart condition. So he was going, he had a, oh my God, a scholarship to university. Then they found out, okay, well, he's got a heart condition. so he can't play hockey anymore at all so he basically the the university honored the scholarship and made him a player coach that's awesome and so and it's the it's the same university which is no it's not not the same university but it wasn't denver no no it wasn't ever but uh what's amazing

about this whole story and this is my favorite part is that tampa bay lightning order uh sorry owner before jeff vinick drafted him anyway because i guess they were some sort of there's some sort of family connection they 203rd overall yeah seventh round 2008 just because they weren't going to draft anybody of consequence at that point anyway but they said you know what you've worked really hard you deserve at least because he was supposed to go like second or third round this guy he was one of the final picks of the draft i'm trying to see if any really good players are picked after him no a couple guys who played but no not really and what's amazing is that they go into like who he's had in his system and you know he hasn't had the big ncaa stars in the way

that other teams have uh and yet he's been able to make it work and that's i think what's so appealing to nhl teams about this guy but for him uh you know the young family thing keeps getting brought up but i think what what they mean is that he doesn't have he could sit in denver forever make millions of dollars which he's probably already making raise his kids and then in his 50s because he's in his early 30s no he's 36 oh okay so he's in his mid-30s it's really tough so okay i don't want the leafs to sign him i'll just say it okay i don't need both the leafs gm and coach to be younger than me yeah that's fair that's fair that hurts my heart i'm sure he's great but it hurts my ego no no i'm that's a joke the thing about it is that like you know he could

go in 15 years when his kids are grown up and then go into it but what he doesn't like is seeing things like what we saw yesterday with adam foot getting tasked with keeping quinn hughes okay they couldn't keep quinn hughes okay now adam you must tank now we're gonna fire you for it yeah um that is something that he's just not interested in so if he does go to the nhl level like expect a long term deal and a far more involved head coach in the front office now whether you think that's a good thing or not good thing those are the caveats that come with it uh hey if you have time use it yeah there there are there are coaches that are more than three decades older than david carl yeah he's got time uh granado and casting gay are going to stay on as assistant general managers

uh in vancouver but ryan johnson said they wanted a fresh start it looks like manny maholtra is probably the leading candidate there although you'd think the leafs who have experience with him on the bench he was an assistant coach here for years would have some sort of interest there as well ryan johnson was his ahl gm when they won the call oh wow that's great and then steve do you how much should someone's ahl coaching record matter because i know the what are they the vancouver giants uh whatever where no that's the whl team the abbotsford canuck abbotsford canucks why why did i go whl um they didn't have a great season but should fans be looking at manny malhotra and saying like oh he's had a bad coaching record they go to the finals the previous

year though they won oh they won but this year was a big step back year this year we went to san jose and watched them kill the barracuda twice uh and then um yeah they they won um but what didn't the canucks raid the canucks didn't the vancouver canucks raid the abbotsford canucks because they just kept trading players and they had to call them up and right guys kept getting hurt and uh like it's a pretty understandable fall off so it shouldn't matter that mohutra's team wasn't that good on the ice no i don't know about his coaching talents i don't think anyone in vancouver is like man it's because he sucks right okay i don't know we can't blow in the wind uh that that hard right oh he's great he won oh he's terrible he lost right i don't think that's

how it works i i think uh promoting him would probably be the right move there there can't be i don't know how many people are clamoring for that job right now because you know what you're signing up for that's not going to be a short rebuild um that's a guy with familiarity with people in the system they already had familiarity with foot but this is different this is a guy who was on the bench with the vancouver canucks this is a guy who helped develop the vancouver canucks yep right there's a there's a difference um how much does ahl coaching record matter somewhat like john cooper started there he won there um sheldon keith won there he had some pretty good nhl seasons he's still with the devils they fired a bunch of people but not him um yeah i can't think

of every calder cup winning coach off the top of my head but uh malhotra should probably be the leading candidate there they went 28 37 and 4 missing the playoffs second last in the pacific division i feel bad for adam foot i really do like maybe he wasn't the right fit as a head coach i'd love to know they fucking set him up man like who was their leading scorer and who played more than 60 games uh it'd take me a second because the ahl site doesn't readily i guess well the reason i'm asking for that yeah the ahl website is lurking but uh the reason i'm asking that is uh they had a highly, highly interrupted season. And sometimes it can end the way it has for the Marlies,

where it was, again, very interrupted. The Leafs kept raiding them. But if you stay alive for long enough and you're relatively healthy, then you get all those guys back. Yeah. And you have what has been a pretty good Calder Cup run. Niels Amann, 41 points in 55 games.

Yep. There you go. Great player. That's their leading scorer. ben barard uh second 37 points in 63 games ty mueller 37 points in 61 games outside of those top five guys there's a lot of arsh deep baines played 34 games wow lecker amaki played 21 he's gonna be a good player uh yeah like fairly obvious to me i don't think malhotra sucks this guy could be the head coach of the leafs in a week yep or the canucks yeah or the canucks one guy that will

not be a head coach of the canucks is sheldon keith who is going to stay in new jersey um that surprised a lot of people but i have to be honest i'm not surprised at all um i think sheldon keeps a very good coach i think he fits the system perfectly as steve you said years ago when he was hired there and i think sunny meta is gonna have a look at this guy and go hey uh i think this person is a very good coach let's see what he does with a healthy team jack you know jack hughes not cutting his hand early in the season you know like let's get the team together here and figure this out that's a roster issue they got to figure out because like listen it's difficult to survive losing your best player your best player i understand that but it's also the nhl

and no one cares right this has happened now more than once to detroit with dylan more than once to new jersey no well this is what i'm saying so the reason i'm bringing up detroit and new jersey is they've both had seasons where they're great larkin goes down or hughes goes down oh they're trash you can't just immediately go from great to not even close to the playoffs yeah but i don't think i don't put last season on keith there was a lot i don't i put it on tom fitzgerald yeah yes job who is immediately going to be hired in nashville so it was it was it wasn't just hughes going down with injury i'd love to know what the record was after the quinn hughes trade because the devils kind of really started to suck a lot of locker room troubles there yeah i think so and

the cap was managed really poorly when the meta couldn't possibly do a worse when queen was traded though that killed their season it did it did that was the thing uh apparently the wild made a play for luke hughes late in the season by the way there's a rumor mike russo said that so that's funny um i wanted to ask you guys this how do you feel about mike babcock coach of the edmonton oilers uh on oilers now brian lawton uh who i believe does a lot of nhl um network stuff but he's a player former agent said to stoffer that if first off this is hilarious because it kind of fits perfectly with our vegas stuff if cassidy were willing to just walk away from his final season with the vegas golden knights he suspects that vegas would be able to give

permission but cassidy being a smart businessman is like yeah but that would take away my leverage and i also earned that contract you fuckers why am i just giving you three million dollars or whatever he's making five four or five yeah no i'm not doing like what yeah i'm not david myself like are you crazy oh dear uh ridiculous lawton said to stop he said i'm sure if somebody is called up uh some somebody called up a team like vegas or anybody else look i'll just terminate then they'll they'll let them talk to whoever they want now the other side of it is uh stoffer suggested that the oilers might be hiring former red wings coach mike babcock by the way this is in the edmonton journal dave staples with the writing on this uh who was recently hired and

then resigned from the columbus blue jackets before the 23-24 season for looking through players phones he didn't mention that uh make it out of training camp guys yeah um what are we did lot and see babcock as an option oh he does mention in the next sense does lot and see babcock as an option i would think so i would think someone uh with uh stan bowman's background would certainly have to have a lot of thoughts about that right stan has gotten a second chance i don't think that that was uh anything necessarily given i think stan worked at it i think he deserved to get a second chance. Now, can I say that about Mike? I know Mike and I really like him. I think he's a good human being. Lawton also referenced Columbus and he said, I know this

business can be cruel. One wrong word, one wrong interaction with a player today, and it's enough to set you back. There has been a number of coaches and other people in management where it's happened to. Is Brian Lawton blaming cancel culture for Mike Babcock? Are you serious? this is that's an insane interview um now i think there's smoke there i think this is the i absolutely think that he's right that there would be a consideration and potentially an interview it's okay if his name comes across your desk as long as you then don't interrupt the momentum wipe it off of the desk yeah like guys get a grip columbus was his second chance and he didn't make it out of camp get a grip oh you're so hard to okay okay like if that's

your worldview i just i just genuinely feel sorry for you don't feel sorry for mike babcock for living life free as a bird yet he mike do this oh fuck you oh okay well you're fired okay well you still gotta fucking pay me and he didn't want to work he had three or three he had four and three and a half years left on his deal and he intentionally chose not to work in order to punish the leaves like at least that's the rumor yeah mike you're fired okay that's great fuck you yeah and then he collected his paycheck and then got another one from saskatchewan or i don't care if he got paid or not whatever who cares he went and coached at a canadian university there was rumors there about things yeah happenings and then there

was rumors about mike babcock being mike babcock and then uh he shows up in columbus and doesn't make it out of holy shitting camp no it's kids and their phones and fucking avocado toaster god get another thing yep what are we doing what are we doing mike babcock in 2026 all right sure you do you no one would be shocked if the edmonton oilers did that what what do you think the story would like how does that story play jesse how do you think that plays in edmonton i don't know that fans would be down i don't think you'd make it out of training camp again i think it'd be a signing and then you got to retract it again i don't think fans would be down with it i weirdly weirdly don't think mcdavid says no right away i don't think the

oilers are dumb enough to do this the last time we said that on the show we got several comments saying please stop saying the oilers are not dumb enough to do something from oilers fans and by the way i don't think craig berube is dumb i hope everybody knows that it's just i don't think that system fits i think he's more likely than babcock i hope he is jesse i hope he is berube came in and he spammed the yell at guys button and it worked and then he kept pushing the yell at guys button and it stopped working you can hire him to spam the yell at guys button and have it work in one year well the he it was the elite goaltending but that too which they don't have the yelling never mattered because it was just oh you're getting elite goaltending that's

going to mask all of your deficiencies in your system and then he didn't get that and the yelling was still there and this thing ran its course yep so i don't think edmonton has elite goaltending to support craig ruby's system i think mike babcock is a cancer to a dressing room and to your team and i think they are smart enough to go in neither direction well there you have it well the fact that they're even considering it does you know to me it could say two things yeah i shouldn't say i i didn't do a good job there adam jesse have you considered kids these days cancel culture uh just have you considered they're always on their phone i have not considered that because i don't think it should be considered hey jesse it's a cruel business i mean yes guys

could just make a mistake or a career worth of horrible things to players jesse psychologically torture a guy yeah several guys have you considered he deserves a second chance for a second time is mike babcock in the hall of fame yet no no i don't think he is but he should be i didn't say it's a hockey hall of good guys he should be in the hall of fame it's not a hockey hall of good guys oh just wait he'll be in there just wait for the joel quenville conversation yeah uh they're both getting in uh i don't know listen the committee the committee can make you wait and he might have to wait um but you're gonna look at the numbers and it's gonna tell you one thing and one thing only it's gonna be fun day buddy if if that if that fucking happens

we're live streaming that press conference like are you kidding me oh you're gonna live stream it are you absolutely kids and their phones oh go ahead and watch it on your phone listen i'm not the one looking for nudes on fantilli's phone okay god damn allegedly i don't know what he was looking for i don't know what he was looking for either i'm just making a joke you better be taking selfie videos of you doing edge work i just i just think on his skates i just think it speaks it could be two things for edmonton first off you cast the widest net possible he is undoubtedly a hall of fame coach that's pretty wide net yeah or you're fucking desperate you're desperate i don't know if you get a net wider than that do you do you okay whoa look at the size of this fish

i caught isn't that one of those like toxic fish that if you eat it you die yeah but yeah but it's big and i caught one and i caught it i've seen steve on the ice with his child showing him at a skate if our net's so wide steve should be in consideration hey call me on my phone and then look through it listen you guys have seen you we have seen players come back to the nhl with far worse things on their resume and that is true mike babcock might be the first like hall of fame worthy coach to get kicked out for just being an asshole well i think he's it looks it sounds like you might be back in because here's the thing if the oilers are all of fame if the oilers are considering this if they're even considering it it means that they probably don't think

there's a chance that vegas just doesn't let him talk to cassidy well you have to operate like that right you do you have to operate like vegas is going to do the worst thing possible because they are and they can oh man we're gonna have a shitty guy off whatever cassie like although if cassidy does want to walk away from his contract which is maybe maybe that's what vegas wants him to do i know edmonton could pay him they've got the money guys i don't think you're fully appreciating how much fuck you is in the florida panthers just went for two years yeah yeah they screamed fuck you at the league for two years and they got two cups out of it vegas is eight wins away from a cup because they're just going around going but oh man the oilers shouldn't sign mike babcock

because like he's mean and stan bowman's gonna be like you're not gonna un-reinstate me fuck you i do have a question though i wonder what because again connor's agent is judd judd's other notable client one of many actually is uh austin matthews connor would put in a call yeah uh matthews i don't think cared for his time with mike babcock from what i have so connor's gonna be the the x factor am i breaking news there yeah can you imagine connor mcdavid had to sit down for breakfast with mike babcock because you know that's what would happen right that you're gonna meet with the players and remember he used to take the cab to that weird breakfast place near the gas station it's not a weird breakfast place it was uh what was it uh expectations expectations

which is that place is great i love that weird place but it was a bunch of times it was right beside a gas i'm like the gas everything's next to a gas station what here jesse can you please find that photo because there's something in the photo that's going to piss everybody off i'm sure if you type in mike babcock ilia mckay of gas station it should be the first thing that comes up i think it's babcock mckay of and is it dan milstein the other guy in the phone yes dan is his agent and so this would have been from i think 2019 when mckay have signed uh in toronto he's gonna find it and trust me the payoff is gonna be right here it is here it is jesse's gonna bring it up and it's yeah that's definitely dan milstein and babcock and is really awkward

i'm a dad selfie all right there you go look at the price of gas i know i knew that's where you're going look at the it's 170 i thought it was going to be that deep v-neck of his which would have been in at the time it was thank you for covering babcock's face it's 117.9 when i left today it was like 19 that's not dan milstein by the way just in case everybody wants to know that's definitely not not dan milstein no yeah you're right that's not dan milstein who the hell is I don't know, but it's not Dan. Yeah, that's not even close to Dan. I've met Dan.

That's not Dan. That's not Dan at all. Who is this man? Who is this man? He's like a nice guy. Maybe he's a fan. He could have been a fan. I don't even know.

Why is the fan in the picture? That's not a fan. No, maybe he was like, hey, guys, can I get a selfie? Mike was always nice to fans. I think it's Mr. McHale. Or it could be the owner of expectations. It could be. That's what I'm saying, a fan.

there's also an advertisement there for jewels like the the e-cigarette thing oh yeah they got banned oh yeah now you couldn't do that uh that's this is a relic in the going back in the day this this photo is a hell of a time capsule yeah yeah i always go back to this photo just for the price of gas yeah this is me off by the way mckay f might be a leaf again there's dan millstein here he is everybody jesse can you please bring up an actual photo of dan yeah yeah please let's do dan some justice here all right why did i i don't know why i thought it was dan milstein because the first time i saw that photo i was like oh that's his agent oh yeah and that is his agent in real life that is truly that is actually his agent but that's that's not dan it's not dan milstein at all

i i assumed it was too i assumed it was i just always assumed that was what he looked like and it's not what an asshole anyway i'm so stupid uh should we uh should we wrap it up yeah i was just i was reading the reddit thread from where that picture is from but uh it said his agent uh in the reddit that's not it's not but is is his agent at the time was it dan milstein yes i don't know pretty sure okay i think oh yeah it was because i interviewed him on the radio yeah so that oh yes that thread that looks like dan because it is that's dan dan did not join them at expectations that morning that's too bad i wonder if he did make one of the other ones hmm is that expectations or egg smart could one of them

one of them maybe there's a few breakfast places like we're gonna put an egg in there wrap the show jess it was actually coras they went to it was not damn coras and they were like let's let's eat this fruit but it's cut weird no it was a great it was a classic greasy spoon not a piece of fruit what breakfast do you like oh here's a melon but we cut it straight no i went to chorus for mother's day how dare you i love this is delicious can we wrap the show please because maddie what's your name maddie's putting on her mic what what talk about your favorite breakfast place favorite breakfast actually expectation oh wow okay there you go what about the gas station one are you into that one i don't know is dan millstein there

no dan no but there's some random man with a mustache he looks very i don't know look up a ilia mckay of agent uh-huh it is dan milstein yeah so the reddit thread got it wrong the internet's never been wrong why did nobody google that dan's written books and stuff like has there been a book yeah damn um oh yeah people pointed it out oh okay oh it's um jim palafito oh there you go i know that name why do i know that name is he not a leaf guy so i just looked through the he played for the new jersey devils oh it was jay pandolfo yeah no jim palafito he's now an islanders guy director of of collegiate scouting for the new york islanders and he worked with the leafs from 15 16 to 21 director of player

evaluation for the least from 15 to 22. Looks like he was with them. Looks like a very friendly guy. We are not beating the guys naming guys allegations. I think we're just sitting here naming guys. I think we have to do Jim justice. There's a very

young picture of Cal. Jesse, wrap the show. I'm glad we figured it out. Don't cut him off. We gotta get Jim up on the screen to end this thing. Get him on Agent Provocateur. Jim Palafino?

I think there's Jim. Hey, Jimmy! He did a good job in Toronto. He did a good job. Left when Dubas left or just before. Looks like, yeah. Let me look through your phone, Jim. Prove you're committed to the team.

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