The Steve Dangle Podcast - Brawl | November 16, 2017

Episode Date: November 17, 2017

On this episode, Babsocks wants you to practice with Babcock (00:00), Do the Calgary Flames have a goaltending issue? (6:30), the giant brawl last night between the Flames and Wings last night (25:00), 31 Thoughts (Carey Price being traded, Spezza being traded, and Kucherov's day in court) (41:00), Steve wrote an article on the Lightning that you can find here -->> http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stamkos-kucherov-putting-dominant-duo-perspective/ (48:30), Ovechkin & Malkin's Instagram profiles & Putin (54:30), the Arizona Coyotes are REALLY BAD (1:01:00), bad sports injuries from our Reddit page (1:19:00), and the press conference! (1:28:00). Originally aired: November 16, 2017 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/T1bN-Q0OXzg Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Panago Pizza presents S.T.P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle and Adam Wilde. So I got a message from Peyton. Uh, from Nashville? By any chance? No, I don't, well I, yeah. That's the one Peyton I know. You know what? I think that's Peyton from Nashville. I actually do, yeah.

There you go. So Peyton, Peyton messaged me and he's like, hey Adam, hey Adam, I heard. What, Jesse? Do you have something to say? No, go ahead. Long divide something, Steve. Seven divided by three is... You can't do that.

You can't give yourself the question. You're right, I literally can't. Also, seven divided by three would be in the decimal points, and that's a whole different area. I don't know why you went there. What did Peyton say? Peyton said, hey, Adam. What is Peyton's views on Dragon Ball Z?

I heard your show open. I heard your show opener last show, and I just wanted to throw something at you. Oh, no. how about Arriva Berchi oh every time

Sven Berchi scores Arriva Berchi right right like Monami I get it yeah

I got it anyway Peyton round of applause you're a scholar and a gentleman I'm so proud of you no I'm glad

absolutely not hey there's a couple things we need to talk about today what Babsox has contacted us did you know what they're doing

did you know what they're doing Movember Babsox they are yeah And I was just wondering, do you want to give some away on the show? I do. And I also want to give you yours that they sent me and you yours that they sent me.

And I have even had them in this studio several times in my backpack and forgotten to give them to you. This is probably the fifth or sixth straight show I've forgotten to give you those. So I was talking to... Where are they right now? They're in my room or something. Nice, eh? I was talking to Tom yesterday. And we've been talking for a couple weeks

And I've been meaning to do this since the beginning of November But do you know what they're doing For Movember They tried to explain it to me once But that was a long time ago It's pretty insane so I think we should go through this So they've teamed up with Mike Babcock And Movember and the GTHL

Which I played in Man follow your dreams They sell Babsocks in the ACC at Leaf Games Yeah seriously That's crazy They took a guy's face put it on a cartoon And put it on a sock and there it is And I thought it would get shut down, like, right away.

Like, they can't just use his face. And they saw him at Leaf Games. And they're working with Mike on this. Crazy. And this is what's so interesting. So, they want to raise money to support mental health programs for minor athletes. Each team in the GTHL is engaging in some friendly competition off the ice using limited edition Movember Babsox, which Steve apparently is going to give us. So, they're basically, they're selling these as, like, a fundraising tool, okay?

Raise awareness, promote mental health conversations. This is the best part. The winning team will win a team practice coached by Mike Babcock. And when Tom was talking to me, this is the best. Tom was talking to me, and so they reach out to Mike, and they're thinking, okay, there's no way Mike Babcock says yes to this. Like, he's been good enough about us using his image on the socks and that sort of thing.

There's no way he says yes to this. Mike loves the idea, and he loves it so much that he's like, well, we're not going to do it unless the rest of the Leafs training staff and coaches are there, too. Wow. So all of the Leafs coaches are going to be there. Imagine you're 12 years old and Mike Babcock coaches your practice. I get goosebumps thinking about that.

How cool is that? That's really cool. And it's extra cool that it was his idea. Yeah. Or at least that part of it, right? So basically, we were hoping that you could send us some pictures of you doing – it doesn't really matter. I think the idea is Tom and Jake from Babsox, they've donated some Babsox for us to give away. Not the one Steve has but we're actually going to get some more

And we want to send We want you to send The best photo of yourself As a minor athlete So we're talking about your house league cards And it doesn't matter Like you know if you didn't play any sports Photoshop yourself onto a picture and make it hilarious

If you did if you played a different sport Like Jesse you played baseball Throw up your baseball card or throw up your baseball picture We used to get hockey pins That our parents could wear to the game And I made I threw mine out before my parents could touch them because I was like a pin with you on it Yeah, so it was a part of the thing so you get like a mortifying you get hockey cards You'd get like it would be like school day plus two and then and then there were parents there with these big buttons

With their kids faces on them so you could know which kids to murder out there So you make fun of that but in like five years, that's gonna be I would never wear my kids pin I would never embarrass my kid that way it's in ten five years ten five years ten five years. Ten to seventy years. Whatever it happens to be, which will be kind of soon I assume. I'll put away my Charlie and Iggy pins. Exactly.

And get my Steve and Mrs. Dangle Jr. pins. Look at how much you show off your dogs. Oh no. No, I don't want to do that. It's mortifying to the kid. My parents would have never done that coming to my soccer games and stuff.

They'd be like, go Steve! And the minute The game starts Go team red My parents would have been like That our son happens to be a part of Holy shit he's their worst player My parents were like Here's how you played bad

That was every game after the Here's how you played bad Here's how you played bad And it wasn't like a mean thing It wasn't like I hate you Cause you played bad It's

You need to get better And I'm not gonna praise you So get better I always got You looked like you were trying out there That's awesome So I always tried

So Tag At Steve Dangle At Babsox At Jesse Blake At Adam Wild It all counts But you have to tag

At Babsocks For your chance to win A free pair of socks I think we've got up to 10 Potentially 15 pairs Of limited edition Mike Babsocks To give away

Man That is Movember Mike Babsocks It's like 7 or 8 times The amount of socks I have stashed away In my house

I have so many And I have so many Versions of Babsocks I'm gonna wear them For my wedding I have the originals The blue ones The white ones

The Movember ones The Canada ones Yeah I have at least 5 pairs of Babsocks Do you think they would do like groomsmen Babsocks for my wedding? 100%. They probably already have something like that.

So we could all like do like a wedding thing? Maybe Mike Babcock with a veil on? Right? How good would that be? I hope Tom and Jake are listening. Anyway, tweet us your minor athlete photo. Just you when you were younger

playing sports. That's what we want to see. And it's got to be the post one. He could have gone all over the board and he went, how about this? so stop me if you've heard this question before but do the Calgary Flames have a goaltending issue wow no I think Eddie Lack has a goaltending issue because I went to bat for him pretty hard last year uh when Bill Peters was giving him the gears and he had those really bad numbers but oh wow wow when you're a backup you just don't get that many opportunities to prove yourself

and you become a bad goalie pretty quick and it's kind of hard to defend Eddie Lack these days what are his numbers this year? so that was my question, was he that bad or or were the flames that bad around him?

I mean it's like I said before, you need your goalie to make a save like the first half of the Leafs Kings game, where the Kings got up 5-0, Leafs ended up making it 5-3, whatever The Leafs were terrible

That was one of their worst games of the season But McElhaney was also terrible He wasn't immune from the terrible He was a part of the terrible Part of the terrible They were terrible around him He was terrible, terrible, terrible What do we got, Jesse?

Eddie Lack, this year, in four games Eh Four games, but yeah Hard sample size, very hard His goals against average Which you guys don't like Is 5.29 holy mackerel

wow but his save percentage definitely definitely helps yeah it's 8-13 no no

which is terrible wow yeah he's an 8-13 what was he last year though last year he didn't play very much he only played 19 games with the Hurricanes 8-15?

8-13 right now in four games poor guy he's only played 136 minutes but still yeah that's bad yeah

Last year, he was 9-0-2 with the Hurricanes in 19 games. That's still pretty bad. Eddie Lack's never had a great year. What do we got? For his career, his highest save percentage is 9-21 in 41 games for Vancouver, which is pretty good. He was supposed to supplant Roberto Luongo there. It was like him and Markstrom.

But since then, since he went to Carolina, it's been a 9-0-1, 9-0-2, and then 8-13 this year. I think they acquired Eddie Lack for the same reason they acquired Scott Darling. They thought maybe there was something there. And it seems like with Scott Darling, there is. Yeah. I would be curious to know if Carolina's changed their goalie coach at any point because they had bad goaltending for a long time.

And Cam Ward never really got back his past brilliance. Maybe one or two seasons. Holy cow. That's bad. Wow. 8-13. Now, here's the question. He's played four games already.

We're about the 20-game mark for most teams. Like, the Leafs are heading into their 20th game of the season tonight. Calgary, I think, has played 18. Are you going to play 35-year-old Mike Smith 70 times this year? Well, he's injured. This is the problem. This is the huge problem for Calgary, right? So the answer is no, you literally can't.

Gillies was in relief. Who's the guy in the ECHL they got to? Parsons? I think so. I want to say, like, Calgary has guys for the future, for sure. And Mike Smith, I think, has been good when he was healthy. I don't know his numbers, but wowsers. Yeah, you need a better backup goalie than that.

You know what's funny? We talked, I don't know, like last year or something like that about how goalies are dirt cheap. They probably shouldn't be anymore. Like, for a while, there was so much. I don't know why they ever were. That's the weird part for me. I think it's because everyone kind of had at least decent-ish goaltending,

and there was some parity going on there. No one really needed a goalie, but look around the league. There's a bunch of teams that need a goalie. Are there not 30 NHL-quality goaltenders in the NHL? There are. The problem is there need to be 60, right? And you need to spread them evenly. I'm trying to think of, like, teams with situations where if their starter got hurt, they'd be relatively okay still.

Like, there's not as many as we once thought. I'm going through it, I'm like, Chicago, meh. Florida? Yeah, Florida would be fine. Florida would just be whatever Florida is. I don't know if Florida's great. They were last year, when Luongo went down. Exactly.

They already have Luongo and Reimer kind of splitting. That doesn't mean they're superstars, or it doesn't mean Florida's a superstar team, even though I feel like they still should be. Huberto's doing well. Mrs. Dangle just got him in the pool. I mean, my point is

is that Florida will remain Florida. But who else? Not a lot. There's not a ton. Do you, if you're Calgary? You've already, you've already,

I mean, I think they already had talks with the Coyotes last year about Mike Smith before they got Mike Smith. Okay. Do you call them about Auntie Ranta? No, well, if I'm the Coyotes,

I wouldn't give them. I wouldn't give them to you. Well, one, he's hurt. But two, like, is anyone going to those games? I'd be curious to know what Arizona's attendance has been this season. Dude. There's some things about Arizona to hit, but. Yeah, 20 games they haven't won a game in regulation yet,

which I think we sort of touched on last show. We did. And then that became a bigger thing. Then they set the record, yeah. That's unbelievable. You know, I also wonder, I'm looking at Florida right now. There's six times. Hold on, hold on

Florida is 6-9-2 and LA did suggest that last night Florida is 6-9-2 in 17 games, they are sitting second to last only ahead of the Sabres in the Eastern Conference It's also a very even league right now

When does Roberto Luongo come back? He's injured, isn't he? This I don't know I found the injuries hard to keep up with Oh my god, it's impossible Are there more? I think I saw a chart You know what I really like? A website where it just talks about the injuries.

There is actually a website called Mangames Lost. But does it talk about when they're projected to come back? That I'm not sure. That would be really nice. Daily Faceoff might have that. Okay. I'll have a look. Luongo was not injured.

He played last on the 14th. Oh, he did. Okay, so. Also, follow Beat Reporters. Beat Reporters are very good at being on top of stuff. Following Beat Reporters for 30 different teams means you're following like 90 or 100 different people. I'm forgetting that I have a weird Twitter. I follow too many people.

The hockey reference is my go-to. For injuries? Yeah, because then you can just look and see if somebody's injured. Just go look at their last five games, see if they played recently. Oh, right. Yeah, but that doesn't help you for figuring out when they're going to be back. Yeah, but who cares? We do.

That's what we're trying to figure out, Jesse. That's what I'm trying to figure out. You are being difficult. You're wearing a Hyman jersey right now. I don't know why. I don't know why. I mean, there's a pre-existing relationship, obviously, between Brian Burke and James Reimer. Uh, no, I think the Panthers like that.

Or, I mean, of course the Panthers like that. Or do you see if Roberto Lumongo's available? And if they're willing to retain salary? Because here's the thing, it's probably, I mean, we could be wrong, they could turn it around. It'd be like the Rob Scuderia goalies, it'd be like double retention. We are a quarter of the way, basically, through the NHL season, where we will be. Yeah, we're not quite there yet. Well, Pittsburgh is, 20 games.

Florida's at 17. Do you look at that and kind of go, okay, well, I mean, maybe Roberto Luongo isn't Roberto Luongo anymore, but if we can get him for a certain price, this is very clearly a Calgary team that is expecting to win this year, and depending upon how long Mike Smith is out,

kind of an important thing. Kind of something you need. And if Mike Smith goes down, Now, that gives you two very old goaltenders. However, it still gives you some pretty solid front-to-back. And then you send Eddie Lack down, let him figure out his game, and then go from there. So Gillies is with the Flames on an emergency recall. And Leah Flame, one of my favorite fan follows,

she was talking about how Gillies being on emergency recall actually makes her feel better because the Flames wouldn't need him if they had put Mike Smith on the IR, which they have not yet, meaning he'll probably come back soon. So the Flames' troubles in net are probably not that serious. But again, you're going to play Mike Smith in 85%, 90% of your remaining games. That's the question they're going to have to answer now. Well, at some point you're going to have to go Smith-Gillies or something. At some point, man

The Leafs, can I throw something out there And yes, I'm making Everything about the Leafs You know who's played alright In three games Except for the one game where he was very bad Two of three games? Curtis McElhinney He has played alright

I wonder if the Leafs get a call at Curtis McElhinney Hey, we want Calvin Pickard Nope, we want Garrett Sparks Nope, but we will give you Curtis McElhinney Or if you're the Leafs you look around the league, see what's going on, you sit. You sit on that strength.

Leafs don't have to help out anybody. Why would you? I don't know. We've talked about it. Oh, the Leafs could help out the Oilers by trading on this guy, or they could help out this team by trading. No, sit on it. Sit on it.

Goaltending, I think, is about to get very expensive, which, by the way, I'm going to throw it out there. Leafs got pickered for a... Sixth and Tobias Lindbergh. Yeah, like a bottom six healthy scratch prospect and a 6th round pick man what a few weeks

does to your season Pickard was on waivers no one claimed him imagine that the Vegas Golden Knights had just kept them they would be yeah

I feel I don't know I feel for them kind of how can you predict you couldn't possibly predict you're gonna lose 4 goalies

I don't feel bad for them because they've done okay they've done pretty good they had a good start they haven't done okay lately well no but nobody expected them to I just think

you know the fact that they sit 5th in the Western Conference right now. It's not a bad start. Hey, stock up those points. I tweeted, is Maxim Lagasse saving the Vegas Golden Knights season? They needed to be bad at some point.

They gotta trade off all these guys. It's funny, I think it was Kipper a couple weeks ago they were talking about our team's calling about James Neal. If the Vegas Golden Knights stay good, are they gonna sell off all these guys? Yep. And he goes, well, they're gonna stick

to the plan. And it's very easy to say that If Vegas is Like a top 10 team in the league In a playoff spot Come March As if No GM can help themselves

Do you think that they would Resign James Neal too? Hell yeah They're going to be like Colorado It's going to be great They're going to have one great year That's okay for Vegas Because they're an expansion team

And they shouldn't be anywhere near a playoff spot Has any expansion team ever made the playoffs first season I'm sure it's happened I mean maybe back when when it went from six to twelve teams

and the Florida Panthers was that their first year when they when John Van Beesbrook and the Panthers no no no that was at least two or three years

I know what you're talking about though when they made the finals against them they usually stink the Thrashers stunk the Blue Jackets stunk the Wilds stunk

Senators stunk Senators stunk Predators stunk it was yeah Predators stunk I don't know I just think it'd be like it's going to be

modern era I think it's unprecedented Yeah Their start has been And by the way I don't count post 67 As the modern era anymore As many people

There are many people who do But no That's not modern era This is the frustrating thing About writing about Like I've done a lot of All time writing This season

Looking at anything Like before The 67 expansion Or like even anything Before 1985 Is extremely frustrating Because the numbers Were just so out of whack

So crazily out of whack. Do you guys want the expansions franchise stats? Yeah. The Florida Panthers, the best expansion franchise in NHL history. There you go. Finished one point back of a playoff spot. Wow. Hey.

They finished with 83 points in the 93-94 season. Wow, that's really impressive. That's incredibly good. By the way, you only needed 83 points to make the playoffs back then. Well, 84, I guess. 84. 84. Wow.

The best expansion franchise out of the four major sports was probably the 66-67 Chicago Bulls, who made the playoffs. Good for them. And they lost in the first round. They got slapped in three games by the St. Louis Hawks. There you go. That's a team that existed.

There's a team name I've never heard before. Many people were confused when we had Dennis Marouk in, And then they're like, so you played for the California Seals and then the Cleveland Barons. Like we're making shit up. It is a little weird to see Cleveland and California. That's a big place. At least I wasn't on the Kansas City Scouts. The word on the other end of the spectrum, the worst expansion franchise is the Washington Capitals, 74-75,

who had eight wins, 67 losses, and five ties. I wonder if the 91-92 Senators or whenever they came in, was it 92-93? Whenever they came in, I wonder if they got to win eight and they were like, Okay, at least we're tied for worst Not the worst Not the worst In the ninth, they were like, yeah, nine wins, baby As long as you're not the worst

As long as you're not record-breakingly bad I feel like I took us very far away from the Calgary Flames Well, I know you guys want to talk about the fights last night I do One more, one more The worst ever across all four sports Is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 76 in the NFL Who did not win a game

I was about to say They went 0-14 To be the worst in the NFL, you might as well not win Yeah. There you go. That's funny. It does happen. Like the Cleveland Browns might do it this year.

Oh, really? Yeah. And they're not expansion. They're just bad. I think the Cleveland Browns haven't won a game on a Sunday since I think it's 2015. Because they've only won, I think, three games in the last three years. And two of them have been on Mondays and one was on a Saturday. Oh, my God.

It's just so weird. The franchise is just the worst franchise ever. Coyotes fans, if you listen, what do you do? How do you do that? Okay, Oilers fans, Leafs fans, anybody that's had a, you know, Coyotes fans, people who had a rough ride up until recently, at least for us, Coyotes fans are still getting a rough ride. They've literally always had a rough ride.

At least the Coyotes have made the playoffs recently. Well, at least, if you finish last, you'll get like 20 wins at least. 25 wins maybe even 30 you see you have 30 nights a year where you're like hey

oh yeah alright those you know what that is 30 high fives with your best friends you're at the bar and you went

well they got this one high five high five Browns nope none of that you get that unyielding sorrow

yeah and disappointment and the thing is is that when you're packed into a stadium it's not it's not just you it's 55 to 60,000

and other people who feel the exact same way you do. And the Browns fans are the most intense in the league. Yeah, they sit around every game. They're amazing fans. You drive home in post-NFL game traffic, and everyone to your left, right, and front and back of you is sad. The whole city is sad. Like, I don't get it.

I don't get it. And they do that eight times every year. Every single year. Yeah. Imagine you go to an away game. So then you're surrounded by asshole Steeler fans Who are like, okay, we knew you were going to win

Do opposing fans even give you shit? Oh yeah Why? Why? That's so cruel Because Cleveland and Pittsburgh have a rivalry that goes on forever No, they don't No, they don't There's a difference between having a rivalry And not liking each other

They don't like each other, there's no rivalry It's fine, like Nobody from Pennsylvania is very rude So they're all kind of like oh you guys keep losing games it's a little passive aggressive it's not like Philly where it's like hey fuck you and your team

here's the snowball dick I peed on it literally so yeah I don't know how we got here but you guys do want to talk about the there's one thing I want to quickly mention before we get to

the fighting which is remember two days ago on this podcast where I mentioned that the Flames scored five goals against the Western Conference leading team

in the third period how the hell do they go from that to just blowing up against Detroit like it's so the NHL is so crazy that way isn't it

and that's not the Flames that can happen to anybody I've had to go back and look at how the Leafs did last season a few times and that was also

just like it was a fascinating season like I encourage you all to go back and look at the schedule and the crazy spikes of up and down And follow 100 Beat Reporters on Twitter.

Yeah, 100,000. Not everyone does YouTube for a living. Follow everyone from every team. I think they won two games in October. Then they had back-to-back-to-back emotional wins. I think they were all over Western Canadian teams. There was that McDavid overtime game where Kadri scored. There was the crazy brawl game against Vancouver.

You know what it was? It was the brawl game against Vancouver. And then the very next game with the Leafs riding high, 7-0 loss to the Kings. They got killed. Just emotionally exhausted. The return of the Leafs to Vancouver, the revenge game where they played them in Vancouver, that was very disappointing. You were there, weren't you?

I was there. And it wasn't this big brawl that was supposed to happen. It wasn't that tense or anything. It was okay. It was a hockey game. Martin and Gabranson got it out of the way. But that's not getting it out. No!

That should be like, okay, I'm going to have to fight because I want to or I don't want to. Remember the build-up? It wasn't like Domi Probert 2 or something like that. At least last night, they genuinely hated each other. They genuinely hated each other. Well, here's the discussion. So Steve and Jesse are going, oh, I've got to watch this fight one more time. All seven minutes of this.

I watched it during. Oh, I didn't watch all seven minutes. I must see all seven minutes of T'Chok spearing, quote-unquote spearing. So he got a spearing penalty for that For just a little tap on the back of the ankle Steve you got to 5 minutes and 40 seconds Before we had to start I did watch all 7

I watched nearly 6 If you watched You saw the commercial break Yes I did How dare you Here's the thing I don't know I love these brawls

I think they're fun I know it's dangerous And I know I shouldn't But I do really like them Yeah I have Oh my god I'm going to go all over the place when it comes to this fight. But the thing that I can't understand this morning,

and I think it's only due to the fact that there were two games last night. The Rangers had their... Okay, three games last night. The Rangers had... Well, there's only two games of note last night. Let's just be honest. The Rangers had their winning streak snapped, and Artem Anisimov got his first hat-trick, and that's cool.

So there's a story there. And then this is the only other obvious story, because it was a blowout and otherwise a sort of boring game, because blowouts are never that interesting. 8-2. You've done a few of those this year. And I just think, like, I was watching it, and I'm like, okay, so they, yeah, Calgary is not going to, if you lose the game on the score sheet, the whole old school hockey thing is,

well, you're not going to lose it physically. You're going to make them remember that you played them. Yeah, if they beat you on the ice, you've got to beat them in the parking lot. If they disrespect you on the score sheet, then you've got to disrespect them back. It's like Don Jerry's saying, I'm pretty sure. Or something like that. Or if you can't beat them on the ice, if you can't beat them in the alley. Something like that.

it is a little threatening yeah it is a little extra it sounds like assault it does doesn't it not in the 70s not in the 70s

Broad Street Bullies skate to the friggin forehead listen if you're if everybody if you're playing in a league and everybody's parents

had gone to war in Europe I can see how that mentality existed I can see how maybe they had a historical perspective they had a little bit more of a cavalier attitude

towards those sorts of things because most of their parents had enlisted in the army. Little Brayden just grew up playing hockey in Canada, and he doesn't know about the war. He doesn't have to go in the alley and fight. He never actually had a street fight.

Right? No. Right? But, I mean, like, think about it. People wonder why, oh, why were the 70s and 80s so crazy? Because they were baby boomers. They were the kids of the generation that went to war. And that generation that went to war, their parents went to war in World War I.

I can't imagine how anyone would fight you on that point Is the best part No but it's true It's true Ah get up it's just a little bump on the head I went to war That must have been so hard to be like our parents What do you say to that

Everyone's dad was Red Foreman Yeah literally Oh you got picked on at school today I went to war And if you didn't go to World War 2 Then you might have gone to Korea You might have gone to Vietnam There was like a million there was another

like a million other wars afterwards I didn't even think of that factor I didn't even think of that anyway anyway

I don't think the fallout of this the amount of Twitter back and forth on this warrants what it actually was I think we had a

slow night last night in the NHL and people are like well this and this and this and this everybody wants to break it down it's like okay

so it was a fight and it was a missed call by the refs other than that it was just it was just hockey right? there were definitely

some people in the wrong Like for sure in the wrong There always is I guess I guess what everyone tries to find Is patient Zero Or patient X

Who do we blame? When it comes to the fight Yeah who's to blame? Um I mean Can we I guess we can go with Witkowski I think so

Yeah It's his fault for coming back on the ice First of all Yeah He's gonna get a suspension for that right? That's a 10 game suspension isn't it? He should No cause he didn't come back

He didn't come from the bench right? So it's not automatic His feet were no longer on the ice. And I think that should count. He was well off the ice. I think that should count. I do too. Especially with the ref trying to restrain him.

I'd give him a game because he entertained me. Well, like, okay, for example, David Clarkson. He was on the bench, jumps off, does nothing. But the rule is 10 games. Sorry. This guy, like, comes in and kind of starts a fight. Jesse's watching her right now. Here's how it all broke down, okay?

So Kulak goes after Booth, sort of. Sort of challenges him, but nothing comes of it. Nothing comes of it. Witkowski and Kulak then go at it. Now, where things took a turn, Witkowski gets the takedown on Kulak. Then Witkowski slams Kulak to the ice, which is a chicken shit move. We don't have to be like, oh, it's dangerous and we got to take it out of the game. But it is a chicken shit move.

I mean, if we're going to be parental about it, what happens if he slams his head off the ice, knocks him out? Okay, but let's not go there. All I hear is about that. I know. I know it's dangerous. It's a dangerous game. Let's get beyond that for a little bit.

It's not part of the game. Let's just get to patient zero. That's when we get into the age-old argument is fighting even part of the game. And I will not even debate this anymore because I'm so tired of it. I don't care. I don't. I don't. I'm done with this debate.

So we'll settle on chicken shit move. Chicken shit move, for sure. Chicken shit move So then Kachuk taps with Kowski Because he is a little shit Different from chicken shit It's a little bit chicken shit

But it's mostly little shit You can have respect for little shit moves You're a little shit You're a little shit You know what I mean? Now So I was listening to Hockey Central on the way in Hockey Central at noon

And Kiprios made a few points What time is it? I really liked What time does Hockey Central at noon air? Noon I was late No I was just making a joke

Sorry, I thought you were scolding me It's my natural instinct to be like Just admit you were wrong My favorite thing is when they rerun Hockey Central at noon On Sportsnet 1 at 3 o'clock Hockey Central at noon at 3 o'clock So, Kachuk taps with Kowski Well, Kowski goes back on the ice

For that, he's 100% in the wrong First of all, spearing He tapped him on the skate How hard And that's what Kachuk does That's what he does That's bravado and testosterone and ego getting out of hand. Kiprios kind of praised, or I can't remember if it was Kiprios or Blaschel,

because they had Jeff Blaschel come on the show, but I came in halfway through the interview. So that's a huge get for them, by the way. And if the whole interview is up on the website, go to sportsnet.ca, check that out. But it was either Kiprios or Blaschel was basically going, well, you know, it could have gotten more out of hand, but the ref told Wachowski to get back on the bench, and he did.

First of all, you shouldn't have to tell him to get back on the bench He should have never left it Once your feet leave the ice, you're off the playing surface You're off, you're on the bench He came back on When he went back off, it was not immediate He got in a few really good swipes And that's when things got out of hand

To me The only other thing that I disliked But I'm willing to forgive, actually Was, you know what I hate in a hockey fight And it goes back to what Wachowski did to Kulak the ground and pound this isn't mma this isn't this isn't ufc once you've knocked them over yeah and i and i go back to they were honoring wendell clark at a leave game a few years ago i don't remember what it was and they were showing his highlight back which of course has a lot of

goals has a lot of hits and has a lot of fights there's one fight where he literally has a guy on the north stars in full mount holding him by the jersey in one hand and wailing on him with the other like that's how you kill people seriously um but there's no rules to the fighting no no that's an interesting thing because if they did have rules for the fighting then that would mean that they are saying that the fighting is okay that's why there's no rules if there was if means they're condoning it the reason there aren't rules is because what has seriously happened yet like one incident like i we don't know if there might be an entire generation of players suing them in a class action lawsuit yeah but that's not one incident right

If one incident happens Where a guy You know, I don't even want to put the evil out there Into the world, but if something terrible were to happen Then do you put in rules? No, you probably just get rid of the whole thing But anyway, Mantha had Hammonick In full ground and pound

But what Mantha was I can't remember if it was Mantha or Blashill was saying That was actually right Is Hammonick is punching up at him If the guy on the bottom Is punching up And the ref is holding you back

Which No no no I'll save that And the ref is holding you back I don't know I don't blame him for keeping on punching It's not the most noble thing to do But if I mean you're still in a fight at that point The guy on the bottom is attacking you And I don't blame the guy on the bottom

For what's he supposed to do just lay there Who I blame is the ref For friggin running in there and being Galahad I I What are you gonna do Is he supposed to let them go and just keep fighting If you're going to break up the fight, break up the fight. Yeah, just try.

No, he's grabbing on the jersey. No, like literally wrap yourself around the player. Yeah, don't. I don't know what the rules are for referees. Don't be Dana White at a weigh-in and just put your hand in between. Oh, don't cause a scene, guys. I would love to know what the rules are. Hey, trained fighters, please stop.

Please stop. I'm going to use my right arm to stop you. Hey, trained murderers. Pudgy bald owner man. I know you've only spent 25 years getting here and training for this. I'm just going to stop you with my pudgy hand. Anyway, yeah, you're right. You know what really takes the gusto out of UFC?

When Conor McGregor goes nuts and someone who's twice Conor McGregor's size picks him up like a child. Conor McGregor's not a big guy. No, but don't remind me that he's only 150 pounds or whatever. Why not? Like that picture of Floyd Mayweather walking between his four security guards really takes the gusto out of Floyd Mayweather. You know what I mean? Well, if you were fighting him in a sanctioned boxing match, he would definitely kick your ass.

Oh, he would definitely kick my ass. But I question whether or not he would kick the ass of the biggest security guard that he has. Otherwise, what's he for? I don't know. He should be able to do his job. Anyway, sorry, we're getting off track here. I don't remember where I was going. What are the rules of engagement for an official?

And what is the maximum they're allowed to do? I don't envy that job. What are you supposed to do? The right move, I think, is get Mantha in a full headlock and lean all your body weight back to yank him off. The only guy who got involved was, I think, Scott Wilson on the Red Wings who tried to stop his own teammate, which I think is right. If he goes attacking Hamannik, then that's like third man in,

and then you look at a potential suspension there. You've got to hold your own guy back in that situation Because he's the one on top He's the one with the whole ground and pound situation But in terms of Like fallout from this I don't know Who gets suspended

I think Witkowski And that's it right Is that it I think so Send a message that you can't come back on the ice And I would say Something needs to click in Hamannik and Mantha Like oh shit we're no longer on the ice

We can't be fighting Does Kachuk get something for the spear a fine no he shouldn't get anything he shouldn't get anything he shouldn't get anything

he got a five in a game he'll get a fine out of formality I bet that's insane it might even break during the show there's no way he should get that

also shout out my fantasy team for picking up Kachuk and putting him in the lineup oh cause penalty minutes count cause you ain't getting all those penalties

penalty minutes is the stupidest thing to count in a pool no no you need it you can't just go all offense then it's too easy 111 penalty minutes how much are they counted though

is the problem everything's even and it's one-on-one. It's versus league. So, like, you're playing, you have your... Oh, okay, sorry. I thought you were trying to say one penalty minute equals one point.

No, no, no. That would be great. Yeah, I did a pool one year where we weighted penalty minutes too much, and I knew there was a problem when in the first round someone drafted Zenon Kanopka. Yeah.

It's like, ooh. It's like, hey, I'm going to take Matt Martin, second overall. So all in all, 111 penalty minutes, five game misconducts, the good old hockey game. Is it a travesty? Do we need to, no?

No, it's not a travesty I don't want to feign outrage Like who cares, it's just whatever The one thing I kind of want to get back to is something Kiprio said And that was basically For a little while We looked at incidents like that And we said, you know, it's a black eye

On the sport, and it's a shame And we need to get it out of the game Now that it never happens anymore Everyone's reaction Seemed to be, that was great old time hockey and when he said that I was like I wish I could fully

shake the cave man I think Steve you like UFC I know and a few people have asked me like how do you how are you so you know wishy washy on fighting and hockey and how do you like UFC I don't have a proper

answer for that my shitty answer is UFC is fighting hockey is hockey with fighting Fighting is not implied On the playing surface of hockey It's against the rules Can we get to a point though

Where we can talk about fighting And not talk about how long it has left Can we talk about this eventually one day Without going How much time does it have left in the game It's got no place in the game When it's finally out It's gonna happen

I'm so tired of talking about that And it's not because I don't think it shouldn't be it's just because it's like okay we've been there we know well if you don't have the conversation it won't ever get out of the game I guess my point is we've had this conversation for five years of doing this show every time we bring up fighting that's the conversation we have to have and I'm getting a little sick

and tired of having to repeat the same thing because every time we say it it's like yeah of course obviously safety comes first obviously no but if you don't say it then how we have said it I've said it a million times you can't just stop saying it and then you don't say it ever again I know I guess I get tired of the repetition

My stance on this issue is noted It's on the record No, you have to state your stance on it You wear a t-shirt Ask me about my fighting stance I It is interesting Yeah, what is that?

I'm tired of talking about it You know why? I think it's the same discussion Every freaking time That's exactly it, I hate it There's nothing creative about saying Yes guys, I'm against fighting But we seem to have to and I don't know why clearly going out. Yeah, so Eventually, hopefully we don't have to have this conversation at all

That is the silly little gradual thing Like if you just take something out one day like if they were to take fighting out now There'd probably be a little bit of outrage right like if they were to just want tomorrow be like it's done But if you give it five years, it does feel like they're waiting for a seminal moment though, doesn't it? Yeah, they're waiting for people to basically not fight anymore more so that then they could very bravely parade in and go there's no

more fighting. Aren't we fantastic? None of us fight anyway. From 31 Thoughts this week, Carey Price, if you take out his 2015- 2016 season, has

appeared in 80% of Montreal's games since 2009-2010. That's an average of 66 games a year. He's going to be 31 when his eight-year extension begins next

season. Only three goalies since 67-68 have as many as many as 566 game seasons at age 31 or older so is there anything to this Carey Price getting

I don't want to spend too much time on it but is there any to is there anything to it do you think do you think they really do that you don't let Mark Bergevin make that move don't let Mark Bergevin make them like that is a big enough financial decision and just part of the

team decision that it has to come from ownership and I am captain no meddling from ownership. I am captain that. What might have been even better for Montreal, and I can't believe I'm about to say this, but what might have been even better

for Montreal is if they had let Bergevin trade Subban when he wanted to trade him in the first place. Wouldn't that have reduced the outrage a little bit? Ownership got involved and said, nope, you're signing him. What would he have gotten at that point? Do we know?

Who knows Who the hell Shea Weber And two And Ryan Suter First Both of them Both of them

Yeah Phillip Forsberg Currently right now And this is number 8 On 31 Thoughts Jason Spezza is playing 13 minutes a night Lower than any season

Since he became An NHL regular Dallas wants to make it work According to Elliot Friedman But It is interesting That He has one more year

At 7.5 million dollars He can be traded this summer But he could also waive that's a lot of money but is there a potential

chance there that now Elliot mentions Columbus trying to find one more high level offensive player you know who's got the cap room

Montreal and you know what Jason Spetz a place center that's the first place my head went me too

why not hmm why wouldn't Montreal go for that who does Montreal have to give up I don't think I don't think

his value's that high because his contract's high I think Dallas wants to get the money off the books to be honest with you yeah that's that is Montreal

throwing Dallas a bone so Carey Price Carey Price and Galch and they get Sergeyev back and trade him and Drouin

for Spezza for Spezza and a third okay and a third if you throw in the third there you go don't forget that third

and speaking of they ask for Julius Honka you hang up the phone it would just be interesting to see Spets in Montreal I think that makes a lot of sense that's a good, why not, it's a second line guy that you have for another year and a half

what's the big deal, I mean you gotta fight for your job anyway why not are the Tampa Bay Lightning Steve Dangle good or bad well I'm gonna read you this story and then I'm gonna see

if you can get what I'm referencing here Chris Johnson had an interesting story over the weekend This is Elliot Friedman by the way About an arbitration case involving Jonathan Drouin In Tampa Bay Drouin was entitled to $212,000 For a .73 points per game Last season

He ended at .726 .73 .726 The lightning said no to the bonus Drouin filed grievance Sports is generally a place where people round up But there are a very public situation where that doesn't

happen. I mean... Or the Tampa Bay Lightning Steve Dangle. I will not give you that. I will not let you spend that dollar. Oh! Yeah, well, no! No! I'm with Tampa. I'm with Tampa. It says

in the contract, you get the very expensive dollar amount if you hit this. No, but it depends on if the contract said if you hit it on the second or third decimal point. Oh, it did say that. No, I don't know if the contract said it or not. Well, then if it's not expressly written in the contract, it needs to be the exact number.

Because what was the percentage? 0.73, and he got a 0.726. So the contract probably said 0.73, right? Yeah, to that decimal point. Yeah, it's the 7-3. But if you look at 7-2-6, it's a 7-3. Why? Because you round up.

Why do you round up? Because you're going to that decimal point. So you have to get there. You can't leave it as a three decimal point percentage. If you calculate it, if you show it on the calculator, and it comes up as anything less than seven, or what was it? Seven three. Point seven three?

Yeah. No, but you have to get to two decimal places. I don't know if that's the case. I don't know if that's how they write it out. It sounds like that was the case because of how it settled. Also, yeah, how did it settle? Do you want me to finish it? Yeah, bring it up.

So, in court, they finished at a 90% settlement. So, Tampa said, we'll give you 90%. And Druin said, okay. I don't know why I didn't read that for him. I had it. I thought. Yeah, Johnson, he'd been working on this for a couple months, and he's like, I'm going to break this story. That's the dumbest thing ever.

And then they finally settled this week, and it was settled at 90%. You're right, or you aren't. Also, what is the dollar amount, and what is 10% of that? I want to know so it's 212 so it's about $21,000 that the lightning safe. Yeah So are the lightning Steve Dangle? They were wrong by saying one part-time employee salary. Oh, wait, dude. Yeah, that might be two part-time employee salary Yeah, all right, whatever do you think I feel like we just wasted time with that shitty story I'm angry at both the Lightning and

Drewann for that shitty story. Mostly the Lightning. I wonder. Most, 100% the Lightning. I'm mad at the Lightning. Because 90% is ridiculous, right? You might as well just say you win, right? Yeah. I'm mad at them for being like you are 90% right

and Drewann being like close enough. Like, can't someone... If you're Drewann's lawyer, don't you just go, That's a dick move Give us the other 21 grand

Why are you charging me An extra dollar That's basically Allowing the lightning To save face For like A couple nights Out at the bar

For Druin Like what is 21 grand To a player like that That's stupid That's dumb I'm pissed I hope he takes that money And buys like a Lamborghini

Or something with it That's what I would do I would be Completely irresponsible And have my Lamborghini Pretend you never had That money

So it's just free money Or invest it responsibly In RSPs Okay well he makes like 6 million bucks I'm sure he'll be alright He has an amount of money where like Who cares If he lived like we do

For an entire year He would be set for life If his expenditures were like an average Of the three of us He would be set for the rest of his life And mortgage What mortgage? He doesn't have to get one And no, you just buy it if he's me. Oh, and mortgage. I just read it still wouldn't rent an apartment

Yeah, why would you get yeah, you wouldn't have a mortgage come on Also on the lightning Steve you did an article for Sportsnet about Stamkos and Kucharov. It was good. Talk about it It's really good. Well Johnny Gaudreau sort of messed the whole article up last night, but so we've been talking about What what? Go ahead. I was gonna continue Jesse and clarify that statement So we've been talking about Stamkos. I wrote this great article, but god. He ruined it So I says to the guy I says you can't charge me an extra dollar, but then I paid him I don't remember if I paid him

God damn it It's on the Steve Dangle blog. You should have lied to us man. You should have lied Just like you guys. What's, Jesse? Like, you know those stories that you tell that you need to tell a little white lie? You should have told the white lie. You know what? That's a white lie story, right?

I think everybody can agree with me on that one. That's a white lie. No, no, it's much better that he told the truth. Well, then the guy told me, you owe another thousand dollars, so I reached across the table and I punched him in the neck. No, you took it. And then he said, you get the car for free. And I said you're goddamn right

My name isn't Steve Tangler I thought you went to court And you agreed that he was 90% right So you gave him 90 cents I gave him 90 cents I just want this car That's so ridiculous I'm not getting over that

You know who won that? Lawyers Lawyers won Lightning lost, Duran lost, lawyers won Your article So we've been talking about Stamkos and Kucherov in passing

and we just keep looking at their point total and going gosh golly that's good aren't they good so I looked at 31 points

in 18 games which is what Stamkos has and do you know what that is on pace for he's almost at

111 141 thank god he's on pace for 141 Kucherov who's only one point behind him at 30 points

in 18 games is on pace for 136 so what I love what is such a huge privilege is I get to email Sportsnet stats department ask them any question that pops into my head and every time I'm shocked that they have an answer I'm stunned like I don't know how they look it up and I don't know how they look it up so fast my question was a how many times have teammates finished one and two in league scoring And two, what were the biggest gaps between the second scoring teammate and the third place scorer in the league? Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah. I was very careful with the way I worded it. Yep. So the record, it turns out, is only 29 points. I thought it'd be more than that. That's a lot. It is a lot, but, I mean, you look at the 80s, and you look like Gretzky and a linemate versus, I don't know,

some guy on some other team is what I figured the record would be. Lemieux, most likely. Exactly. So, well, funny you should say that. So the record is Lemieux and Jager in 95-96. Lemieux had 161 points. Stupid. And Jager had 149.

A full 29 points ahead of third place Joe Sackick with 120. So, but we live in a different world now. Hockey's different and people don't score as much. So if Stamkos and Kucherov were to maintain their crazy pace, like they'd be first of all they'd be the first players to hit 136 points

or more since Lemieux and Jager did it that year in 95-96 120 something

so if Goudreau and those two would be the first players to hit at least 118 points since Sidney Crosby

in 06-07 when he scored 120 so here's how Goudreau comes into the situation so he's on pace

for 118 meaning the gap between him and Kucherov would be 18 points which is the third biggest gap ever but before last night when Goudreau had two points in one game

they were on pace to have I believe, I'd have to go back and check I think they were on pace to have the biggest gap ever beating Lemieux and Crosby over Sakic they're good and if you want more details on that

Go ahead and check out the article on Steve Dangle blog, sportsnet.ca. Same goes for Kudrow. Do you think Kudrow gets 50 and 50? What's he at right now? He gets 16 and 18. See, he would have to improve on the ridiculous pace he's already on. He couldn't. No.

Well, so you got a shout out in that article. Thank you. That was very nice of you. Because last show, when we talked about what is and isn't too early, you said what? American Thanksgiving we are one week to the day away from

it not being too early anymore so if Stamkos is still on pace for 140 whatever points and Kucherov is still on pace for 136 it's not too early anymore we're at the quarter mark of the season and these guys are on pace to score the way no player has

scored in two decades over two decades the only guy screwing it up is that pesky Johnny Gaudreau also Jaden Schwartz not far behind

he's on pace for over a hundred right now Braden Shen is also in the conversation and I think Blake Wheeler

somehow two of those players I just mentioned are in Mrs. Dangles Pool nice yeah Wheeler and Shifley

oh my god incredible no that whole three headed monster on the Jets if you got them in fantasy congratulations

see also Nikolai Ehlers It has been announced that Russia could be barred from the Winter Olympics in 2018 Who's allowed to go? After World Anti-Doping Agency has declined to lift the suspension of Moscow's national anti-doping body Apparently Russia is non-compliant over doping So they are not Is Russia being difficult about something?

I do find it funny that they're going into an election right now which is why Ovechkin and Malkin and all those guys put the Team Putin on their Instagram. Do you find it funny that going into an election that would be a thing? It feels like it's like, oh, that's a good distraction technique. Let's get banned from the Olympics. An election.

So it's the world against us, galvanizes people. Yeah, election. Quote-unquote election. We know who's going to win. We know. Is there an opposition party? I don't know. I assume they're dead. Like, is anybody in the Russian Duma an independent? Like, I wonder, like, is it... So, okay, I want to talk about something that I, very briefly, okay?

Yeah. Very briefly. I got, like, two sentences on it. So, Ovechkin posted that Team Putin thing, and I think he was made available to the media. I don't remember. Malkin posted a Team Putin thing. I'm counting your sentences. Oh, shit.

I'm going to go a little over two. Malkin did his Team Putin thing, and a few people got indignant that, oh, he wouldn't answer questions on it. What? do you expect them to do yep you know i was wrong like what are they gonna say on chicken thought you're right fuck putin also i'm gonna call every person i've ever known in russia and make sure they're okay yeah definitely i'm gonna criticize that guy whose detractors magically appeared dead yeah not just in russia they appear dead all over the world yeah uh look up sergey maginsky i think it was oh look up a bunch of people but you know what i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna do i'm

gonna attack him on instagram and then he'll know so i'm not totally letting them off the hook it's totally possible that ovechkin supports him it's totally possible malcolm supports him however if they don't we're likely to never know yeah it doesn't matter because they're doing the right thing for their lives you're expecting you're you're taking our democracy our freedom of speech our culture and putting it on them and you have to remember they're from the other side of the world that has quite literally never had it like my my uh my grandfather was fluent in russian and used to go over and help from russia wasn't uh his his father was oh okay sorry so and technically lithuania but it was part of the the czarist russia at that time gotcha um so he used

to go over to Russia and help make power plants. My grandfather was a chemical engineer and was a master several times. He was a genius. Not the power plants you think of. Like actual plants. Plants. Had a lot of strength. Protein power plants. They lifted weights. Instead of leaves, they grew

biceps. You know if like Piccolo was a plant? Piccolo was a plant, by the way. That's the kind of plants he built in Russia. From the planet Namek. He would go build power plants and he said... So your grandfather was from Namek and this was this was when communist russia was in the 80s becoming more open a little bit like

what china is now although i think china is doing a better job um and they the way he described it to me was this he said they don't understand in the same way that we understand what it is that they have and what it is that we have they don't understand most of them have never left the country most of them have never grown up any other way and they've been told that capitalism and and democracy and all these things are evil. So they've always had it this way. So they're kind of used to living in it. And he said,

it doesn't mean that there aren't dissenters, but he said, you have to understand perspective and it is very different there than it is here. And you can't just take your perspective. Cause I was being, you know, a snotty teenager and going,

well, this and this and this and this season. No, no, you can't do that. You have to look at it going, okay, what's their history here?

They, they had, they had a democratic revolution. How did that end up? Well, the communists took over, right? Like he,

And he said, so then it was run from totalitarian to totalitarian, czars to communists. It's not just things like that. And maybe we can leave it with this. So, you know, I was very close friends with Andrei Osichenko when we were doing the KHL stuff. We still talk. And there was one conversation that really stuck with me. So I was explaining to him my sister, who, as some of you know, has cerebral palsy and autism and a bunch of other things. And I think he even met her.

And he was, he was, I don't know. I was explaining these things and he didn't, he didn't really say much. Andre was rarely at a loss for words. He was just kind of pensive. He was just thinking. And then he, I can't remember if we were talking or he messaged me like the next day. He goes, you know, it was just, I don't know. I'm fascinated by your sister because like, we just don't have people like her in Russia.

For a sec, I was like, what? Like, of course you do. Of course you do. No, and then I realized like, oh, they're either institutionalized or don't survive. Like that is the difference. So it's – sorry to get so dark, everybody. I prefer talking about Dragon Ball Z too. But it's not always just like, oh, a difference of views on how money is handled or a difference of views politically or on freedom or democracy or whatever.

Literally everything. So many things. It's like it's, you know – We can't begin to relate to that experience. We explore outer space, and I think we should, and I'm fascinated by all of that, but we don't understand half of what's under the frigging sun here on our own planet. Under the atmosphere. Yeah, I kind of think about it how when somebody gets mad at you or somebody snaps, sometimes it has nothing to do with that interaction. It has everything to do with how they spent their morning.

Maybe they've gone to a big fight with somebody before you, and they come to you, and then they snap. It's the underlying issue. This person doesn't understand what's happening in North America because they grew up in Russia where everything's completely different. Now, I'd love everybody to be like, yeah, but I'd like everybody to be like Alexander McGilney in the early 90s saying, screw Russia, screw communism, screw it all. Like, you know, he was, you know, Fetistov comes over here and he's giving half of the money he makes to the Russian government. McGilney's like, no, F you. I'm keeping it all and screw you and I'm never leaving. And I love it here.

You know, we want, we like that. We thrive on that bravado. Like, you know, screw the man. However, you gotta think that there might be some There's consequences I'll have a moment of self-awareness Like I got indignant about the whole Poppy thing before And we had some Irish listeners reach out

Like, uh, you have to understand Why we are not down with that Yeah, and that made sense It was like, okay, now I understand And I tried to look at it from their perspective And I was like, yeah, okay, I get it Yeah, anyway, we're not letting them off the hook It's just kind of like, are you surprised?

Stop being surprised If they genuinely support him then they genuinely support them they should be criticized for it if they don't we'll probably

never know in my view as good as the Coyotes were last season that's how as bad they've been now

I feel terrible well they weren't even good last season no that's what I mean that's why it makes sense but it was okay no no

it was a little bit okay no no the Coyotes have become the first they were rebuilding remember when they were the hot team

with all these prospects Clayton Keller. Clayton Keller should be an enormous story. Can I read this fucking tweet here, guys? Go ahead and read this fucking tweet. For God's sake, let me read this tweet. And then we can get into Clayton Keller.

Coyotes become the first NHL team in history without a regulation win through their first 20 games. And Clayton Keller. Well, so that's a three-period win. Yes. I got to think, like, are they awarded with a regulation win in the NHL standings? They should be. They won a game in overtime. They've got two.

That counts as a regulation win. Well, and a shootout win. Oh, yeah. Sorry, overtime and a shootout. One's overtime, one's shootout, but they don't have a three-period win on the season in 20 games. That's unbelievable. Now, one thing I mentioned in a recent video is,

so when the Leafs went on their little break, they had played the most games in the entire league. They had played 19 games, and they were tied with two teams. One was Pittsburgh, who is, they still had a winning record. They were still one of the league's better teams, but they struggled compared to their standards, and they played a lot of back-to-backs. The other team was Arizona.

So the Leafs came out on the right side of it. The Penguins came out on the right side of it. Arizona very did not. Very, very did not. You're understating that, man. Well, now they play 20 games. I think it should be a bigger story that, yes, not only have they not had a regulation win yet,

But they've already played 20 games. How much blame do we put on that? Like, were they already the league's worst team? And then they also got burdened with this? I don't think we expected them to be the league's worst team. No, you're right. There's no excuse. I picked them as a surprise team.

They upgraded at defense. Their top four should be great. They upgraded pretty much everywhere. Center, goalie. Made a trade for a center. They made a trade for a goalie. Same trade. For New York.

You're right. And got a good defenseman out of Chicago Look at that defense How is that the worst defense in the league? Or, well, sorry How is that defense on the worst team in the league? So is this, to me this is a head coach thing They got a new head coach

It's time for him to go When? But John, I feel like if anybody's going to go first It's going to be John Chayka Now, yeah, here's the problem So I'm a believer in John Chayka But, the way I've talked about Mark Bergevin So you look at certain decisions and how they get made

Like what equity Has Chayka built up With here's why you should keep me Okay you're going to fire this coach Because he's not working out Who the hell brought him in in the first place It was you homie So he might get the opportunity

To fire Rick Tockett But he might be going next He might be going next I agree with so many of the moves he's made I don't get why this team is so bad That's not true. I do get it. I do get it.

What do you get? What is it? He's barely got an opportunity to be evaluated on one of his biggest moves. Derek Stepon has been one of their better offensive players. Ranta has been out. Their goaltending is abysmal. We keep talking about the Coyotes. Sorry, we keep talking about the Golden Knights, the other desert team.

But the Coyotes' goaltending has been abysmal, terrible, and they have so many injuries too, and they're trying to fix it, but they're also victims of this weird little goalie market. They've already made two moves. They've already made two moves. They shipped out Louis Domingue and brought in Michael Leighton, and they brought in Scott Wedgwood, which is essentially deck chairs on the Titanic.

Like, Wedgwood, I think, is a worthwhile investment. He might turn out to be something. Leighton can maybe be a somewhat stopgap. But, like, no problems get solved until Ranta comes back. And even then, you get a guy who wasn't even a surefire number one in the first place coming off of injury on the league's worst team trying to save the whole damn season. Boy, I don't know how Chayka survives that. It's a shame, too, because it doesn't feel like he'll have had enough time to get it done.

What is lazier in today's NHL than saying John Chayka tried to build a team on a spreadsheet? Who said that? Everybody. Oh, man. Well. Like, why? Like, can you? Okay, in order for me to take your opinion seriously,

you need to at least give credit to the teams that used analytics and it worked, which is almost everybody. So I can't even listen to you if you're like, well, he tried to do this and he didn't. Shut up. It's easy to make broad sweeping statements on Twitter and get a reaction, and that's the only reason anybody would tweet that. I don't think anybody with a brain

is still like no analytics at all please because if you were then you're like well let's not count goals and assists and points because those are analytics too can you look up the Coyotes goalie statistics I feel like we did this several weeks ago when I think they were less than 10 games in

it got worse it got worse they had this one guy who I'd never even heard of and he was just getting shelled like Maxim Lagasse I gotta say like even though he hasn't been that great. He's been giving it a shot.

No, see, this only has the two goalies who are active right now. Also, Rancis played more games than I thought. He must have come back from injury then. Also, I'm using the washer. All right, good luck. Good luck. So, Rancis started nine games,

played in nine games. He's one in five. Lost two games in overtime with a save percentage of 9.05. Boy, that's just no good. That is no bueno. And Wedgwood is 1-1-1 with

a 9.13 save percentage. I think he's the only guy with an even somewhat respectable thing here. Adam, can you waste time until I find this? Sure. Sure. I also want to throw this out there. The Coyotes have been accused of spying on staff

and unfairly firing employees because apparently they're trying to unionize and they're uh the u.s national labor board has actually launched two investigations into the franchise since 2016 in october uh so not it's been like the last year of this and i guess i guess you know it's it's the coyotes have denied all the allegations and there is a hearing before a labor board judge in january 9th and uh the coyotes general counsel counsel who is their lawyer said that we have worked hard to create an excellent workplace culture for more than 100 employees. We're proud of that culture,

which is based on respect and fair treatment for all employees. Any and all allegations to the contrary are not true. This is interesting. The Coyotes reportedly reached a settlement earlier this year with an employee, causing one labor case to be withdrawn. The team was accused of the following

in a charge document from which that uh from uh charge document that has since settled the case so um i found the stat basically sorry well i guess there was the the employer the coyotes in this case had overly broad and discriminatory rules including to including but not limited to overly broad and discriminatory discriminatory rules in its employee handbook and severance agreement so So people are a little bit upset about the fact that apparently they're under surveillance. And, yeah, so this is a mess.

So not only on the ice are they a mess, but off the ice they're getting charged with spying on their employees and unfairly firing people. Whether or not that's true, I don't know. If you're John Chayka, is it good news that that story's out there? A little bit of distraction? Maybe. People are mad at the counties for it. No, you run the operation. No, I know.

Oh, yeah, wait, is he responsible for it? Ah, no That's like a president thing I don't know No, general manager No, no, no General manager is general manager of the hockey team This is a ticket sales guy

Yeah So, okay Sorry, to get back to the stats there And we'll get back to that story Clayton Keller has 17 points, 11 goals in 20 games That is bloody fantastic Before the season when I tweeted out I need some fantasy sleeper picks

Clayton Keller was on the list He was like probably the second most said guy to pick up And everybody was right. Clayton Calder. But now I'm looking. Their second leading scorer is Ekman Larson with 11 points. Christian Dvorak. Oh, my God.

With 10 points. Max Domi with 10 points. Alex Goligosky with 9. Jason Demers with 8. So, out of their 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, top 6 scorers, three are defensemen. And the other three are, like, under 22. Boy, that's a mess.

That is a mess. So, sorry. To get back to the goalies there. Antti Ranta has played the most out of all of them I did not know that So he must have come back or something So maybe they're in the middle of him Trying to come back off injury

And trying to establish himself As the number one Okay, so their worst goalie was Louis Domingue, in seven games he has an 8-5-6 Then there's Aiden Hill, who I think is like Their third or fourth goalie He was an 8-80 in three games Ranta has been a 9-0-5

goalie in nine games, which is just not good enough. And Scott Wedgwood is their best with a 9-13 through four games. Like, you are relatively okay with your backup being a

9-13 goalie. You know what I mean? I have a question. Oof. Yes. Do the Arizona Coyotes make the playoffs before they are a franchise again? Like, do they move first, or do they make the

playoffs first? I can't, like, they haven't moved yet. With all they faced, it's surprising. I think we're past that. Oh, now it's a disaster. They're still on a year-by-year lease in their current agreement.

It seems like treading water is their thing, man. Gary Bettman and the NHL are stepping on that square peg with both feet until it fits through that round hole. They are just shoving the Coyotes deep into the bedrock

of Arizona. They don't want them to ever leave. So they make the playoffs before they leave. The Islanders will leave Brooklyn before the Coyotes leave Arizona. Yes. I agree. Okay. Totally agree with that. I completely disagree. Canada will lose a Canadian team before, seriously,

before Arizona loses their NHL team. That you can count on. Now, question. What do you think about the NHL in Houston? Quick hit. Arizona Arizona's going to look great. It will look good. Now, yeah.

Now, that is interesting. If you have an opportunity to move the Coyotes to another southern market. By the way, the seventh biggest city, I think, in the States. Holy smokes, really? It's enormous. It's bigger than Dallas. But how enormous is Fort Worth? Doesn't matter.

I think it would do well there. I think it would. I think it would. I mean, you could have said the same thing about Dallas, and they did great. A lot of expats I've come to find. it's right on the border with Mexico too like it is

you get I mean it's as south as pretty much you can get how as south is it? it's very as south I'm not good at my American geography baseball and basketball

do well there I mean there's summer sports obviously but I think it would be kind of cool to see hockey there and I think it could work there's enough people I'd rather it be

an expansion team I would rather you put the expansion team in Seattle and then you move Coyotes to Houston if you want a team

see that makes some sense like Vegas as your new desert success that probably fulfills their desires in that region for TV purposes. And then if you were to get a team in Seattle, too. Yeah, that'd be good. All right, I changed my mind.

Arizona's going to leave. No, I'm kidding. I still, I will stand by that. Like, they haven't left yet. All right. There's, like, I just can't imagine them leaving. Quick question for you before we get to the press conference. And actually, there's a couple things.

First off, quick question. Who leads the league in saves total? So, total saves. Jonathan Quick. Jonathan Quick. Jesse. I'll say Devin Dubnik. The answer is Frederick Anderson.

Wow! 475 saves he's made. He's played too many games. Okay, so the Leafs, when they had their little break, were leading the league in games played. He'd played in all but three of them. That's too many, man. so another quick question who leads the league

in total shots against goalie West I assume it's Freddie then Freddie correct 527 if this continues I did a little math this morning

we're going into game 20 tonight this is ish I'm not going to give you an exact number we haven't even talked yeah no Austin but you know it is what it is

2100 shots plus is what he's looking at if things continue the way they are That's like a Brodeur-esque amount of shots I would like to know what the actual record is though Oh it's gotta be so much more than that

Yeah cause the 80s right? Oh it's gotta be like 3000 It's gotta be Shots Total shots should be counted more Just type in like What is the record for most shots against Like I know we go about averages

But I feel like total shots is like It's interesting It's an interesting stat Boy there was an interesting one I saw today Out of Sen's Twitter Like Mark Stone Even if he regresses and he just

he's always been a good shooter he's on pace to have like a 40 goal season scoring's up man scoring is up this will be

an interesting year to look at once it's all said and done for my era adjusted stuff this might be the first year

in a long time where numbers are adjusted down you wanted shots against in a single season yes please the

same goaltender is in first and second place he is an active goaltender so this happened fairly recently I think I know

who it is he is an active goaltender he's uh I'm not gonna give him more hints I know it I don't think

it's quick it's Roberto Luongo oh Roberto Luongo I was about to say Henrik Lundqvist what's the record

would have been his Florida go around the first time yeah before he was traded to Vancouver 05-06 he faced 2,488 shots

wow 0-3-0-4 he fakes he faced 2,475 shots wow and those were both with the Panthers

yeah 0-5-0-6 0-3-0-4 wow there you go so Freddy even if this maintains which I don't think it will

I think the Leafs will tighten up a little bit defensively and they'll probably ease up on his workload a little bit it's still gonna be like 300 some odd shots

off of the record yeah wow Hey, a couple quick things before we get to the press conference. First off, we want to tell you again about the Panago Pizza hashtag road to the cup. Hockey combo, two medium pizzas, a 10-pack of fire-grilled wings, and an order of cheesy bread. It's not bread. It's cheesy.

It's bread that drops punts, you might say. Oh. Right? Oh. Right? That makes it more appealing somehow. So you guys can play. That's actually creative.

Thank you. Thank you, Jesse. your pizza can be meat or chicken or veggie and you can pick up from all the wings flavors it's basically the whole point

is we want you to order Panago Pizza and watch the game thank you because you deserve it yeah because we're on the road to the cup

can you tweet us your pictures of your Panago Pizza yeah if you do it please do and yeah I would love to see that prices start at about 43 bucks

but can vary on your based on your location so it's not bad think about it if you me and Steve Jesse got together this weekend

which I think we are on Saturday We're going to pretend Steve's not here. We're going to Steve's house, by the way. Because you're throwing a lot at me. Yeah, at me. We could each throw in a 20, and we would be well over. It would be like 15 bucks each.

It's pretty good. Yeah, math. Here's the way I look at it, though. I'm the host, so you guys split it. I think. That's how I look at it. I think, as the host, you pay for it all. Right.

Wow. You are hosting. Well, I mean, you guys have to come all the way out to Oshawa First of all, there should be a tax on that alone Second of all, like, you're spending probably two tanks of gas Yeah So, you pay for our pizza Well, yeah, I mean, like, the roads aren't even paved out there

So, what about tire damage and stuff like that? You're right And what about wolf insurance? Right? Couple things I want to read from our Reddit page Because our Reddit page was amazing After last episode, we got We've had 53 comments so far

On heinous sports injuries I read a couple. I'm gonna read a couple. Oh Okay. Hey a couple people asked for a warning. Here's your warning There, I don't know because we got gross less. It means me setting it up. Wasn't the warning In the world and fucked up anyway, I'm sorry. I'm sorry the story of my life just happened again had the option This is from okay. This is from lost loyalty. Who's clearly not loyal I had the option of going to the school dance Or hockey practice in the 9th grade

Since I was afraid to talk to girls I decided to go to practice Our coach couldn't make it that night So my dad ran the practice And decided the team needed to run through some hitting drills First run though I was distracted by something Probably girls because I was 14

And got absolutely leveled by my teammate I looked down at my arm and it was literally bent in half And shortly after That's your elbow And shortly after I took a 45 minute ambulance ride Into the city to go to the hospital Broken in three places and I had nerve damage For many years to follow

Nerve damage is crazy You can't feel stuff I should have listened to Don sharing Kept my head up Also asking girls to the dance didn't seem so scary after that Sometimes you gotta learn your lesson the hard way Yeah well you probably asked a bunch of them to sign your cast See the theory

What you should have looked at is like this You go to the school dance and you ask somebody to dance guy or girl the worst they can say is no that's when my fear goes away it's like

oh yeah that's the worst they can do I wish you would talk to me in grade 6 my first ever dance I didn't ask anyone to dance

I was too scared that's okay man but then you realized you figured it out hockey the worst thing that can happen to you

is heinous injury broken in three places nerve damage for years to come so you gotta take the lesser of two evils on that one I think I didn't read that one

that's gross I got another one do you have the the rugby the war vet no I don't have that one Hang on, I'll find him Here's a good one

Archduke of Squirrels Ruptured my left testicle playing rugby in high school Tackled a guy I was actually paralyzed for a minute there I couldn't talk Tackled a guy, got stepped on When the ruck formed over top Played another few minutes before asking for a sub

Went to the ER Where they said it would be fine After a bit it later swelled up to the size of my fist and I had surgery to fix it a week later. Stop the ride. Oh, here's,

this is my favorite line. He goes out with a bang on this story. How could he possibly, it gets better. It gets better. Still a little lumpy, but I'm told it's functional. What a great line.

Still a little lumpy. He's got cleat marks in his testicle. That's insane. So the guy who stepped on them Yeah I don't want to They buy I don't want to blow it all up today

So maybe we'll read a few more Next episode But damn Right Yeah we couldn't Possibly I was like Hey what about this one

No we can't read that one Cause you We've just topped it Wow Wow Was not ready for that Um Hey

You ever play NHL As Be a GM Yeah Yeah, it's my favorite. Sometimes players are out for a very long time. What are some of the injuries you've seen your players get?

In NHL 2000, Alex Selivanov had a sports hernia, and he was out three to four months. Wow. Because he had to have, yeah. He was my fourth line right winger. I saw a player, I swear to God, and I wish I knew how to screen cap back then. In NHL 2001, they were sidelined with a ruptured testicle.

No. I swear to God. I swear We gotta look that up What smartass Wrote that into the game Was it EA? Yeah

We should talk I think it was NHL 2001 Talk to Rammer Well that might be No but he'd be able To go back Is that pre-Rammer? He would be

Yeah of course it is But he would be able To go back and see If that's actually Truly the case I swear I swear I'm sure Rammer could find

Well Here's how I would justify it If I was them It's an injury That has been suffered On an NHL playing service Well I don't think You have to justify it

Why wouldn't you justify it? No, but like, oh, why'd you have to put the... Well, happened to my character. It's supposed to be realistic. Oh, my dear God. Lastly, before the press conference, one quick question for all the STP listeners. Somebody messaged me the other day and said, hey, how come you're not on this app? If there's any platforms or apps that we're not yet on, I know about Spotify.

I don't think it's available in Canada yet for podcasting. Spotify is more complicated, yeah. I got your ruptured testicle answer. In NHL 2001 This is a wiki article This is a walkthrough Frequently asked questions article From 2001

On IGN Someone listed all of the possible injuries In the game And one of them One of them is 0-1 weeks You can be out with a ruptured testicle 0-1 weeks My ass

If I rupture a testicle I might retire Zero to one lifetimes Oh yeah How much do you like hockey? I don't You can also be out Man I don't know

If I like anything that much You can also be out With a scrotal contusion For zero to one God damn That sounds awful Wow So yeah

You did not make that up That happened in your game In NHL 2001 And I remember seeing it And I was home alone And I remember I just wanted to be like Why is no one here

To share this experience with me? Jesse you have mad research skills By the way That was quick Ronan Murphy Ronan their username was Alaska Fox

and they created this on April 14th 2001 shout out hopefully you're doing something cool with your life imagine how long

it would have taken to create that back set oh my god I was just typing into a word document no but I'm just talking

but like you know you probably had to dial up the internet you know what I mean wait for it to load find a server like it's not like

GoDaddy existed right how many times did he try to post that when someone answered the phone. Nobody fucking called me! Mom! I'm writing about

that was painful. Scandal contusions on NHL 2001. Oh, and Nolan's on the cover. All right. If there's any platforms you think we should be on, let's start a thread on Reddit.

If there's any platforms you think we should be on, that means apps and that sort of thing that we're not currently on. If you have any suggestions, let us know. Because we want to be

as available as possible. And I'm not sure what, you know, like, I use the podcast app and I'm an Apple user so if you have an Apple user you normally use the podcast app it's just the one that you use but I know there's a bunch of Android stuff out there that you know

Android's wide open so let us know what we should be on that we're not currently on so we can be available to you and we can't be on Spotify so don't ask what's that? we can't be on Spotify why's that? so don't ask they have like their partner program we're not part of it oh wait a second do we have to pay

to be in that? it's just not open Can we become that? Nah I feel like there's more to this We'd probably make like .001 cents a month Off of Spotify Like I think what is it Pharrell had to get happy streamed a billion times

Before he made 100 grand or something like that It would be like partner program As in Spotify takes all your listens And pays you nothing We're just doing it to have it available But they won't let it be available I don't know how this works Jesse seems to explore this

We're not Marc Maron We don't have the access. Oh, so they have to want you. Yeah. We don't have the access. It's only like This American Life, Radio Lab, Marc Maron. It's like the podcast. Bill Simmons is on there.

It's like you don't just get on Spotify. We are former Best Sports Podcast nominee for 2015 in the world at the Podcast Awards in Vegas, hosted by Chris Jericho. I believe that we are good enough to be on Spotify. We were number one on iTunes for, like, four days once. Yeah. And never again. Because iTunes doesn't rate it based on your lessons.

Because our algorithm's shitty, except for that one time we were first, and then that was when it was good. Anyway, so that's that. No Spotify, I guess. No Spotify. It's okay. But other stuff. One day they'll come to us.

Press conference. Let's do it. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. We got two for Adam. I have to go to the bathroom so badly, but I'm not doing it because Justin Fisher told me I get up to go to the bathroom too much during this show.

I went two episodes in a row. No, no, I can't do it. It's a matter of pride. Should we just keep dragging it out? No! We've got to get going for the show here. We've got a radio show to do. Yeah, yeah.

No, I agree with Adam. All right, Adam. Did you interview Jonathan Taves recently? Yes. Yes. How was that? He was a really nice guy. Is somebody on the Justin Touch 23?

I put it on my Instagram. I think you guys know that. I was at BT. Oh, that was like a couple months ago. Yeah, it was in August. I thought it was like recently. Well, yeah, four months ago now. I guess it was right before the season started.

Really nice dude. It was for Canadian Tire Jumpstart, which is, you know, hockey equipment is expensive, so he kind of helps that. Jumpstart is, you know, getting kids equipment that, you know, maybe not, wouldn't be able to afford it. So, yeah, he was super cool. We talked a little bit about training and that sort of thing. Nice guy. You ask him how many times he scored 30 goals?

No, I didn't ask him that. You should have. I did not. Second question. Can Adam and Jesse apologize to Steve for being wrong about the Leafs tying the game in the 59th minute? Steve said 60th, and he was right. The first minute of the game is from 0 to 59, and the second minute is 1 to 259. Jesse, look up the box score before we apologize.

And the 60th minute is from 59 to 5959. See, it happened with one minute to go Burke actually It happened at 101 Oh, so they rolled it back So what happened on the 59th? We don't need to apologize When did it happen?

It happened at 101 With 101 left in the game Oh, 101 left Oh, okay So it happened at 58 So we were intentionally right Sorry, unintentionally right No, no

We meant it We know what we're talking about They don't ask how They ask how many You were wrong What else is new Jesse Also people tweeted me about Who was it

Beltre who had The career war First of all Career war is dumb It's not a thing I just think it's funny how You're putting an asterisk on my rightness You were correct

In an incorrect stat You can't add together Somebody's career war And make it a stat Because it doesn't apply over the course of a career War is your wins above Replacement I want to know what shape your goal posts are

On the hockey net that you have Are they all googly line We're playing baseball and in baseball Every playing field is a different size There we found it Also I would like to know what Patrick Waugh's career save percentage Added on top of each other is

It's probably over a thousand That's not how stats work! Let's just add on It's not how, wins above replacement is an averaging stat, am I wrong? You don't add averages? That's not what the point is What's his career average war?

That's what I'm interested in. That's a measurement Like Babe Ruth, I looked up career war after everybody said, Babe Ruth's career war is 161 What does that mean? It doesn't mean anything It means you win an entire season every time he's on He's almost three Adrian Beltran. What the fuck?

That's what it means. It also means I was right and you were wrong. Okay, lastly. Third question, final question. This was an entire thread. It wasn't even a question. It was, I love you, Adam, but. I read this.

I will read it, and then you can respond. Totally. Does it drive anyone else nuts every time he brings up how you could replace JVR's 30 to 40 goals with two other players easily? It's not easy to get 20 goals out of two assumingly young players. The math doesn't add up because two guys can't play in JVR's one spot. So you're taking out JVR and taking out someone else,

which means you're likely taking someone else's goals out of the lineup. So unless it's Matt Martin, which we know won't happen, you'll have to replace the sum of the goals from JVR plus another player, making it Adam's theory of how easy it is to replace JVR super weak. But that's not what you really meant. I'll add on to that. That's not what I meant. I'll add on to that.

What's your problem? also you know what also dipshit yeah first off I have learned that

add dipshit ignore everything ignore everything that someone says before the word but dipshit's so underused I know no I'm kidding

honestly normally on reddit people are just shitheads that was really well at least if you want to disagree at least be respectful and I really appreciate it

sorry if there's like a genuine misunderstanding I think no I think he also called you a gem yeah listen I get that

a gem of a dipshit I welcome that I think that when you look at, I think, I guess my point, there's several points to it, but the first one is don't totally overrate this guy. JVR is good. He's a very good hockey player. Also, where did we get 40 from? Yeah, it's 30.

Because it wasn't reality. Because he's never scored 40. No, but he's on pace right now for 40 goals. I know, I know, but I'm just saying. Maybe. What's Matt Martin on pace for? Like, 10 assists? I think career highs in everything, man.

Yeah, let's not. Let's not do on-base for us I'm not saying that you can replace Yeah, but Stantos and Kucherov though, that's Stant That's fine, that one's fine I'm trying to get through something I should let him, because my kidneys are about to fail No, listen, I'm not saying that you can replace

James Van Riemsdyk I'm saying that there are ways to replace his production in the lineup Are you going to replace what he brings? I already said no, you can't. There is nobody in the league and somebody disputed me on this I'm like, there's nobody in the league that does what JVR does What are you talking about?

Kadri and Matthews also do what JVR does No, they absolutely do not They do completely different things Someone said Matthews based on because he's big Which I have never once looked at Matthews And been like, that's JVR Are you going to put Matthews in front of the net And just sit there to tip pucks in?

No, Austin Matthews is going to drive the play JVR sits in front of the net Is a pain in the ass Tips pucks, bats pucks Gets the garbage ugly goals As I said last episode He's not a guy that sweeps it off the wing And fires one home

The only one I saw that was interesting about Because we were talking about who is the AHL version of who Someone pointed out that someone with the Marlies Who does what JVR does is Kirby Reichel Oh there you go That's sort of neat I also don't think he's going to get 30 or even 40 goals In the NHL, never know

But the point is here I think Is that the production If you're talking about total goals in a season I won't let Justin win And I will never have an opinion because I can't I'm sorry I can't get through

say it say it the point is if your goal is to get to 250 goals let's say that you're and you subtract JBR's 30 goals

you can still get to 250 goals with the players they have that's my point end of story great and thank you for listening what a great show

we had today thank you for wearing your free MLB the show sweater yep yep did you just notice that no I saw

I was like he definitely didn't pay for that one nope I like it though we love you guys We'll see you next week. Bye.

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