The Steve Dangle Podcast - Bright Side | October 15, 2021

Episode Date: October 15, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, the Toronto Maple Leafs shave had two mediocre games (00:00), Dylan Strome is on the trade block (43:00), Brady Thachuk finally signs with the Ottawa Senators (45:00), Buffalo beats Montreal (52:00), other games from around the league last night, Bertuzzi, Oshie, Larkin, and Preds Twitter (57:00), Charlie McAvoy resigns in Boston for 8 years and $76 million (1:12:00), Holtby looks great and then gets injured (1:15:00), and our new trivia game! Hockey vs History (1:19:00). Originally aired: October 15, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/d5o-FX0MdPE Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://helixsleep.com/sdp https://manscaped.com/ https://betmgm.com/ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

so let me let me just ask you a question is it is it purple is a kick a kick or is it a kick if it's a big kick but not a kick if it's a small kick and if you are allowed to redirect a puck into the net okay that's the confusion with the rule right by jetting your foot forward yes you are allowed to do that it is as long as it's as long as it's in the ice as long as you're not trying to injure somebody with your knife foot what am i doing to you under the table you're kicking me you're not redirecting a puck there's no puck coming towards okay what am i doing to your foot right now the rule that's what he did my foot is sliding across the floor what am i doing the rule is i'm redirecting your foot so that goalies don't get hurt all the time by guys

kicking their ice shoes at them so if you're allowed to redirect a puck with your skate into the net okay okay and they've set the precedent on um tuesday with the vegas game uh we already know this is how they're gonna call it now it's like cross checking you're okay with it i'm okay you should all be okay with it it's in the rules they're gonna call it this way all season no it's gonna happen for like 20 games a couple weeks and then we'll go back to normal uh and we can talk about the other controversial call coming up but obviously um we have uh first off today as of like a few hours ago the charlie mcavoy contract uh uh was just announced so we'll get into that uh but we do need to talk about the first six period of periods of toronto maple leaf hockey

hooray we have toronto beating montreal we have ottawa beating toronto um and after six periods to me at least uh the leafs have been the best team in three of the six periods which would make sense that they're one and one is that fair so like so okay so what do we got so the first period versus ottawa i give to ottawa yes okay sorry that's right montreal montreal first period versus montreal i give to montreal okay that especially that 10 minute span in between when the when the app was down i couldn't watch steve you need to talk to the company you work for what the heck was that do you want to explain do you want to take a detour before we do that and explain your frustrations on tuesday night yeah go ahead and trash my employer adam i'm not

gonna trash the employer because i think i think what happened is actually fair when you put it into context but uh i i um there are two things that drive me insane other than these two things and and you don't see this on the podcast much because one of them is a this podcast is built around one of these two things there's two things that drive me actually insane in the world and they converged on tuesday night together number one when a very talented leafs team underplays what they're what they're able to do that drives me absolutely bananas um and it's kind of one of those where you go oh man that's frustrating okay number two okay technology that should work simple technology that should work and doesn't also drives me crazy and it's so bad that oftentimes

i just end up calling jesse and go what do i do set up the wi-fi router and i don't know i don't know what to do so i don't know and it's not like i'm a little patient with it it's as soon as it goes wrong i'm upset and walking away from it because and i just get irrationally mad i don't like this don't problem solve throw a wrench across the room be a man those are the two things that drive me nuts everything else is pretty good with that uh dude it's the worst it's the worst that i'm so glad i don't edit the lfrs uh this year okay it's the most helpless feeling in the world your computer stops working and you're like well i guess everything grinds to a halt then and it's like error 404 dash minus six plus oh i'll just

google that oh good i'll google that on the computer that doesn't fucking work what am i supposed to do walk the dog i got shit to do and a place to be thank you and then i show up here after dealing with all that and you're like thank you yeah well yeah yeah well sorry about that and i i also this morning i changed the password on my gmail what was it uh and uh and um the i had to re-add my email to my gmail account because we've got multiple gmails we got the steven angle gmail we got my whatever and uh for whatever reason now that one account will not add attachments to it that's my main email account uh and i can't from my phone add attachments and it's like well i'm sorry it's an error you can retry but you know it's not going to work if you retry because you're

old so get good old man on wednesday the sportsnet app was down because they had a little bit they had too many users is the is the technical issue i think that everybody was saying that the app was having because canada and panama was on the app as well the sportsnet now app but it was free so anybody could just watch it from there so they had an abundance of users trying to watch that game plus hockey night is first uh leafs game which in in as a business move is a very smart business move get people download the thing you go oh i can also watch the leafs oh i can also watch that oh you know they gotta unlock that ah it's only 25 bucks a month what's the big deal right it was a great move by uh smart rogers except you know you got to be ready for the

the flood of traffic that canada canada panama game besides being one of the most exciting games ever uh is you know there's going to be a lot of people who want to watch that it's so wild that the men's program was so bad for so long and then it's just here's alfonso davies yeah there's one guy they're good now all right yeah hooray 100 100 they're gonna make the world cup and that's crazy that's wild yeah yeah i hope so well and they're okay scotland's got a chance too i was watching uh timid friends yesterday okay the anti-haggis propaganda we were fed as children is wrong is it good i like haggis a lot okay no beavers do you make it do you eat it do you eat it here like in canada or have you only had it in scotland i've had it here okay i would eat it

with you but i only want to go to an authentic scottish place to do that where did you have it um i actually a friend made it oh that's real that's very authentic it was extremely good uh and in scotland i had it at a few places and one of them was the glenn livet distillery uh my wife took a detour there to get me drunk on purpose because the roads there are really narrow and i was terrified in the passenger seat and she just got me drunk to shut me up and it worked and if you don't know what haggis is already it is actually the national dish of scotland it's a type of pudding composed of stop booing scotland i'm rooting for canada quite a while cheer for your country oh you know what you're right so so national dish of scotland

it's a type of pudding and it looks like a blob of beige and it's liver heart and lungs of a sheep or other animal minced and mixed with beef or mutton uh and oatmeal seasoned with onion cayenne pepper and other spices mixtures packed into a sheep's stomach and then boiled because nothing from great britain meat wise isn't boiled at some point hey you think that's upsetting look up blood pudding or don't because it's called blood pudding when i was uh when i was in uh uh england the last time i was up in liverpool and my ex thought it would be hilarious we went to a restaurant and she's like oh the blood pudding here is uh vegan i was like oh that's interesting so i ate the blood pudding i was like this is really good and she's like it's not vegan i was like oh okay super duper

it's great the blood pudding is vegan that's very good well again i'm not a vegan but i was like i'm not interested in eating congealed blood no you know it's not as a concept it's not it is actually quite good but as a concept i was like this is kind of gross and then um anyway she got me on that one so you did you end up not watching the leafs game oh right so i was upset and i was and i haven't had the chance because we've been so busy with this network stuff and there's another show a couple shows on the way um and so you know that was andrew berkshire's first night i was like you know what i haven't played far cry 6 yet i spent i got the super ridiculous edition that's got all the extra stuff on it because i love far cry you remember i've been playing that for like

six or seven years archive tell me about it all the time did you get like some sort of helmet i i didn't get the helmet no no no but i am so i was it was it's upsetting that i haven't had the chance to play it yet because i'm seeing all the clips on the internet looks amazing and um and i was like you know what it leaves you playing like shit and uh uh you know and the technology's not working and i got into and i'm not kidding here one of the grumpiest moods i've been in in a long time did you have the grumpies i had the grumpies and you know when you're you know when you're aware of your grumpiness but there's actually nothing you can do and i was so grumpy that i couldn't even get my ass out of my seat to go turn on the ps5 which is by the way remote control

controller no controller doesn't because i was like i'm gonna i'm sticking with this i'm sticking with this and i'm gonna wait and then of course i think by minute 15 of the first period they had it up and it was going and it didn't look great but you know the rest of the game was okay yeah so uh it was one of those nights though and i don't know if you've ever had one of these where you're like i'm really grumpy it's time to put myself to bed we need to reset here what a dad you know i gotta put myself to bed we gotta reset this but i did watch the whole game i watched all last night's game too as i'm sure you did um and and as i said through six periods i give the last two periods of the game versus montreal to the leafs yep and i give the third period last night

against ottawa to the leafs sure so it makes sense of that of that you know that they're one and one the problem is and and and i got i got piled on yesterday for something i tweeted and i kind of understand it to a point it's not how they win or how they lose people like it's game two who cares if they lose what did you tweet i tweeted about how i thought they you know they look like a fourth place team i thought that they were not the fourth place in the division team i thought they didn't look sharp um uh i thought that it was sort of like um hang i'm just gonna go down here um essentially um it was essentially like you know this is they're playing like garbage this is unacceptable and people are like listen man it's it's i said okay the sends did to

the leafs in the first period what montreal could have done last night because since we're up three nothing by the end of the first and montreal could have been too it jack campbell i mean god bless peter marazzo who actually did play pretty well until he was hurt jack campbell saved them yep saved them in game one yeah yeah yeah he did and then i said i don't care if it's early every game this season every game matters and and then i said and then looking like a fourth place in the division team barely that's how i felt now that might have been a little irrational but as we saw in the amazon on demand documentary or amazon prime documentary um they knew from game one last year what the problems were they were all the problems that we talked about on this show they're

all the problems that were talked about on twitter they're all the problems that were talked about on every sports show that covers hockey when you talk about the toronto maple leafs sloppy d zone starts late you know all the stuff that you see and i'm seeing all that again and so i guess because coupled with the short summer so i i haven't forgotten how it ended and then the documentary reminding me of how last season went and then seeing it this season and again both games they come out lat and and the oh man they went to tavaris's cottage and they were so mad they and people need us immediate people need to stop telling that story they were so mad

they said some things guys is it north of the city tell me again man where all the cottages are because south of the city is water crazy north of the city

because Tavares doesn't have an underground lair like a Bond villain Tavares has a quaint little cottage next to Billy Bishop airport anyway so so i this people got on me a little bit because they said it's game two sure are you putting up the duke steve i know i'm ramping up and a guy and i actually really had a great back and forth with somebody named rick shout out rick who said listen like i you know i i he disagreed with me on

the on the fact that it was game you know the game two thing yeah it was game four which we can get we can get to in a second but he also said like listen man like don't be so goddamn negative and i'm like you know what maybe you're right but it's very difficult and maybe you guys can help me i was hoping we do a little group therapy today i you know you know the scene in the amazon documentary where paul mclean's like they got demons under their car they have demons in their bed i think some of us fans maybe not all but me i know this of my about myself i got demons oh have you ever watched the game with an older relative yeah my uncles are damaged i can't Watch Leafs games with them.

I know my cousin Alicia. Your dad. I know she listens. Your dad. I can't do it. Can you watch with Uncle Rocky? Uncle Rocky's fine. He's chill.

Okay. Okay. Uncle Lenny. Oh, really? My godfather. My godfather. I have a godfather named Leonardo. Don't you ever not call me Italian again.

All right? My godfather, Leonardo. That might be the most Italian sentence ever spoken. No, because sometimes you're not a real Italian. Really? I have a godfather named Leonardo. I haven't answered Adam's question. So, no, wait.

Hang on. We'll get to it. I'm going to throw to you next. I cannot watch because they turn over the puck once. Nope. Nope. Yep. Stanley Cup.

There you go. I've seen it. And you know what happens? I always go, stop it. You're being negative. And I'm not making this up every time I watch a game with them. Money in the bank, the Leafs allow seven goals. Oh, that sucks too.

Money in the bank. I can't do it anymore. I have a story about that in a second. But, Jesse, go ahead. i think what you tweeted and like that perspective that you had on last night it's exhausting for most people because you can't do it 82 times yeah like the three of us probably can steve definitely does every year my head hurts the the average fan they can't take hey this team is awful 82 times over the course of six months it's it's a little much i think um you need you need some

bounce so when people come at you and they're like it's game two like are we gonna do this every single are we gonna do this again on saturday so i think that that when you immediately see it it's a little exhausting i understand and i get that well and i would like to acknowledge how grumpy gus i was after the leafs lost game seven at the end of may for at least a month yeah you were well there was i mean we just the thing is too like remember here there's been a lot of personal changes and and sometimes i think that fed into it too like somebody dm me about it and they're like hey like you know i feel the same way i haven't wanted to say anything i'm like listen i'm always open to feedback but you have to understand as much as we joke about a divorce

it's not easy and then everybody went through a pandemic and then the leafs blew to you know all or nothing games right it's it's it's tough and you had a kid you had back problems you weren't sleeping like i can relate it to the last because sometimes i'm just talking about where the negativity can come from right but it's life yeah yeah yeah it's like you just want the one thing in your life to be the the leafs are my one thing i can't emphasize how little mental energy i had left by the end of that playoff run just in life yeah not even in hockey and i can't properly tell this story one day i will but i lost an unforgivable amount of money because they blew a 3-1 series lead

and every year I just look at the complete lack of anything on my channel after they lose in the first round and I'm just like one run one run ever yeah please please and I'm not even talking about YouTube revenue oh my god

I was so mad I understand I think that's different than game two yeah you're right I think you're right and I think that's what I mean about negativity and it's the ghosts thing right so this is what i wanted to do today and i promise you this if you listen to this show and you've been feeling a little bit like guys are a little bit i get it so let's discuss what's good and what's bad because that's really what it should be and

win or lose this show should be entertaining for you so you know to rick and to ashley and all the other people that reached out i really appreciated the feedback and for me you know as frustrated as i am this is the thing people are like it's game two sometimes what i say is it's year six you you said that last night it's such a good point it's such a good point man it's listen richie all right you just got here bunting bunting you just got here he played 20 games like what what do you say about michael bunting this is tavaris's fourth year with the team now yeah third is captain matthews isn't in the lineup okay fine this is marner's sixth yeah and neil andrew seventh neil andrew seventh riley was drafted nine years ago yeah

coney 2012 remember that shit that was the year he was drafted that's crazy that was the year he was drafted the lockout remember that yeah man before the lockout was announced two months prior that was when morgan riley was drafted go look up what morgan riley looked like when he was drafted that's how long ago baby i think brian burke drafted brian burke drafted him that is fully four gms ago yes three team presidents ago even jake muzzin is not a shiny new toy like it's i think i think very difficult so so here's here's where my negativity came from and this is what i wanted to get to was the fact that all of the problems that plagued the leafs last year despite the fact that they finished first in the division we knew there was a problem here

like we knew the team was there was problems there's holes and no team's perfect but there were major flaws that you're like oh red flag on that one like all the red flag uh tweets you're seeing um the worst trend in the world it's it's really not i don't know it's not that even creative i like people like a sentence just put one anyway the the the end of the day i think it's like oh these problems again and so what i vow to you is that i'm not going to be negative like that because i think jesse nailed it it can't be like that every game we can't do that every game so what do we need to do to as as presenters here to be able to kind of talk about this so here's what i did i went through and i said i think the leafs won three of six periods um i i think that um i

think that that peter morazic deserved better especially after before the the groin injury which has me a little spooked as well because what happened last season delete freddie anderson down jack campbell down michael hutchinson down jack campbell back jack campbell down freddie anderson back not playing great jack campbell sets record thank god we had him going into the playoffs you know what i mean it was the goalie thing was a thing we got uh chris johnson's article in the stars really good it's they got marazic so that he could split games with campbell and now it's campbell's net two games in yeah and a groin injury for a goalie uh it takes a while yeah it's probably gonna be a month here it's gonna be campbell and hutchinson that might come down

during the show too yeah yeah it looks like hot she'll start next week uh for san jose yeah when so here's the interesting thing with um uh uh the toronto maple leafs now i think it's really shown you as a fan if it hasn't shown you this as a fan maybe you haven't thought about it how valuable austin matthews is and how much better he is than anybody else on this you should make 50 million dollars he is you know uh like no with no offense to the senators when you want when you if you were to line those two teams up without austin matthews in the lineup on nhl 22 and put it through a simulator the leaf should win like eight out of ten times and uh especially with the goaltending that the leafs have like anton forsberg stood on his head i'll give you

that and of course he set a career record with saves against somebody had to be 46 so but but austin he really is the truest game breaker like he is the x factor he is even if he doesn't score the people that he draws is going to open up the ice for everybody else and i think if if the first two games should teach anything you know yeah the leafs team as of it as it stands this year has yet to develop riley and brody looked a little off last night but i have to say that the thing that yeah the thing that that really stood out to me was how great austin matthews is for this team and how much they miss him when he's not there despite the fact that they have a good record with them yeah the entire offense seems to be built around having him in the one uh the center

spot on the first line because it pushes everybody else down it taveras is capable of being a number one center but he gets to play the secondary role neilander gets to play on the wing and more of a sheltered spot marner gets this great partner and when he's not there it's such a gaping hole yeah can i tell you who i hope i don't know about the next toronto maple leafs head coach should be because i like sheldon keith oh what i like sheldon keith is this what we're doing he should be the leafs coach for a long time yeah i like him too one day the leafs uh head coach should be jason spezza oh man god's gift to the franchise what do we do what did we do to deserve him he's amazing what every game they play like dog shit he's their best player yeah yeah and

and you know what it spets a score in that goal last night you could feel that it just shift immediately like if they'd had another period i think the leafs easily would have caught up are the leafs down multiple goals there he is there he is again setting up nylander remember last year when the leafs waved him and he didn't get claimed because he said i'll retire i'll just Retire, please don't. Run for mayor! Also, how dare Dubas wave Spezza?

Don't do that. But he was like, okay, by the way, he waved Jason Spezza, I'm pretty sure so that he could protect Jimmy Vesey. Look how that turned out. Well, I don't know. There were other options, I'm sure.

Other than waving Jason freaking Spezza. And if I'm another GM this year, based on how Spezza played last year. You go, yoink, ha ha. Yeah, I'm taking him. Oh, he's a retired bummer. Sorry, Kyle. Cool.

That's not happening this year. He's not getting away. Not after, what, 30 points last year? Yeah, no. First PP. He's not getting away. He's so unbelievable. Gift.

Gift. And I love, is there anything more satisfying than seeing William Nylander succeed? He was the best player in the playoffs for them last year. and two absolute dynamite william nylander shots in two games okay unbelievable there's a lesson here there's a lesson here i learned something by having fans back in the building okay uh because you can really take a temperature check because hockey twitter is like kind of its own thing sure twitter does not represent the real world it's not real life it's not no but 20 000 people is a good sample size you know so william neilander with two amazing what goals two amazing

goals two amazing shots two amazing shots well that'll get you up out of your seat the play that i admired the most from him was him there was a there was a play that was tweeted yesterday brett kulak goes to make a puck out of the corner and william neilander swoops in and goes you thought and just takes it jeff petrie goes actually it's mine and william neilander goes no it's freaking not he just gronks him off of the puck and even your uncle who hates this dude not mine your uncle's like william uncle nardo i've never called him that once in my life uncle lenny would be like that is a great strong play what is the biggest okay so yesterday was in ottawa That's a little different

In Scotiabank Arena Game 1 against Montreal What got the biggest pop I don't know I'll tell you Austin Matthews pregame standing in his suit After that moment Let's be honest

20,000 people in Scotiabank were sitting on their hands Except for There was a moment where they weren't Austin Matthews in his t-shirt suit After the game started It looked very cool the five on three penalty kill justin hall blocking a shot okay that was great fans left the building that night liking david kampf a little more yep liking justin hall a little

more everyone who blocked a shot on that penalty kill more they got outshot eight to two at the beginning of the game after getting embarrassed by the montreal canadians in the playoffs elliot Friedman said it off the top of the broadcast this team embarrassed you you got to come out and show them and they respond like that Toronto's the hardest city to play in in the world oh it's such a tough hockey market bullshit the fan base wants exactly one thing and that's for you to work hard Justin Hall goes yeah I should have had the seam and you know he was beating himself up for how he played it but he made up for it by literally sacrificing his ass he went and he shoved his entire body

in front of that puck. He was amazing. Tim Brent, in a season where they very didn't even come close to the playoffs, blocked the shot with his nuts over a decade ago, and we still talk about it! This fan base talks about Shane Corson

shutting down Alexi Yashin. Shutting down Alexi Yashin in a year where they won two rounds. That's it. But it's legendary. Gary Roberts where they, again, where they won two rounds we still talk about darcy tucker who got bought freaking out we talk about ty domey who got bought freaking out or traded in nashville whatever it was

literally just work hard that's all we want that's all we want yeah well you know you you've seen it from willie and that's the thing it's that's the guy that everybody gets on about quote-unquote not working hard and i know they've had their challenges with him uh you know they talk about that they've they've been open about the fact that he's an enigma right that's what they always on ice he takes shifts off i haven't seen him take a shift off through six periods and i didn't see that i didn't see him take a shift off in the in the playoffs it's a whole new william nylander it's great to see this was from uh jonah siegel in his article this morning expected goals when william nylander is on the ice is 70 percent wow that's absurd he's an wow

it's not sustainable but right now through two games 70 is unreal that's a man yeah like that dude has his chest hair has chest hair and biceps like that that is a physical specimen and he's figured it out i love it about him you know what that that play that you mentioned i saw it and then i saw it again on twitter the one where you took it away it was very mark stone that's what mark stone to me the the best part about mark stone he's got a lot of great qualities and unfortunately took a weird shot last night and is like injured did you see that he like wound up for a shot and then like hurt himself and they had to i think it was something in his leg and i haven't seen any announcement on what exactly the injury is yet but he was almost literally carried off

the ice like he skated to the bench and then he had to be helped to the dressing room oh it's just a wonky thing he took a shot and then whatever but mark stone one of the things that is so great about him and what makes him so effective and what was so surprising about how he played against Montreal is that he's a takeaway machine he will take the puck away from you again and again bingo that's what I loved about that so you know it's it's a the first couple games of the season are going to be a bit of a mixed bag um and and you know the thing is with the Leafs as Leaf fans we were used to them coming out and just scoring and steamrolling people with goals right it was like hits 10 to 6 toronto winnipeg you know like it just crazy so that is clearly not what's

happening this year um also let me throw this out at you um we got to talk about the tavaris penalty at the end of the game yeah so i mean it's not a penalty so so first off i as an aside to that is there ever an opera and ever time ever a time where sheldon keith just even talks to you where you're not a little intimidated oh man imagine him yelling at you but like there isn't the uh the air of he'll get fined 25 grand for giving for giving you legitimate criticism like is tavaris gonna get fined today he called the call brutal is he gonna get fined he's right make the refs available like i saw someone was like yeah but like i'm looking at it right now it's on oh you can see from the angle that the ref is on you can't blame him for making that call

Yes, I can. What's Tavares supposed to do? Cheat to the camera? This isn't frigging Instagram. There's less than a minute left in the game. Get the call right! That's a guy who's been in the league for over a decade. You're standing right in front of it.

There's less than a minute to go in a one-goal game. That's the captain of the visiting team. And you make that call. It's not his fault. It's yours. You suck. now what i will say to that is that i feel like they are they're cracking down on a couple things this year obviously cross-checking is a big one they've been out there about that and that's the

right thing to do cross-checking needs to stop uh except for when shea weber comes back then they'll be like well shea weber can do it uh and then number two i think they're gonna go anytime a stick gets near the hands they've been calling that every i listen his dick twice his stick does get near the hands yeah i'm not saying it i'm not saying it made contact i'm not saying i agree with it but i can see why the call was made i can see it easily can see there's there's two distinct moves there there's the one uh before the red line and then the second one when he actually gets the puck and i he chops here one and then he chops here again two they don't call the one they don't they call two they call two so there's two opportunities two is clean

yeah but if from from the angle of the ref down the ice any like exactly what adam just said anytime that that stick comes up and it's near it was also near his face it came up near his hands and near the middle of his body right here that's nowhere near his face it well then it's near his hand it's near the middle of his body and there's two hacks at it and taveras gets called it's just it's a it's an unfortunate call in a in a very unfortunate time yeah and i think too part of it is like we're used to watching hockey where in the last two minutes the refs go we're not going to call questionable shit yeah and it seems like this year they are and to be honest with you who has asked for that more than us man who has asked for the rules to be called more than leaf

fans connor mcdavid's looking at this being like okay i hope these get called in at game 83 no i i understand that and i wondered that to myself because i'm like we called for more penalties we didn't that's not a penalty we've called for and i agree with that hey we're gonna crack down a crosschecks i'm like cool you're going to call crosschecks by the way we're cracking down on crosschecks means we're literally just going to call crosschecks that is a stick lift and it was the right and by the way tavaris tavaris was he missed the stick lift he doesn't lift his stick at all not towards not until he gets the blue line no he he does lift it a little later does yeah he okay here he completely misses he that's not what he's called for look at the hand look at

it's a whole sequence of motion like the ref sees him hack twice you call it no if that's the wrong call his hands it might be a mistake right but i think it's a it's a it's in a microcosm i think it's what we should expect and that could be a good thing well it's because okay well i tell you what tavaris is going to retire early i don't that's what he does listen i know i know that it was the wrong call i'm not debating that i'm just seeing i'm just saying even as a mistake i can see why the call was made oh sure but it's a mistake 100 it cost the team the game well no it didn't know the three go the three goals in the first one okay okay it's a with 45 seconds left it's a death sentence sure but okay lesson learned don't be dog shit for an entire

period right and i think for the leafs too i think what's important here and and you know any stat will tell you the most important period is the first period if you get a lead in the first period your chances of winning go up exponentially how how is a team so known for choking also known for starting terribly how did they win the division yeah you know what they're good comeback artists if they could just if they could just figure out the first period or the first 10 minutes even and get up a goal on pretty much everybody because they have the scoring they they could come back from anything if something is disastrous in the second period we know they can come back they i'm gonna go as far as they allowed a goal with less than a second left in the first period

and it didn't get their attention to the point where they allowed another opportunity with less than five seconds to go in the second period and now a goalie's going to be out for a month. Can we talk about that goal? Let's talk about Engvall and what he's doing there. That's the first one. Okay.

No, that's the one with less than a second left. That was on the turnover. Okay, well I'd love to talk about his power play goal in the first game. Sure. Sure. Okay, let's back up to that. Because that was nice to see. I don't Listen, as much as I'm hard on Pierre Engvall, and I'm not really sure about Pierre Engvall, as sure as some other people, it's not like I don't want him to succeed.

In the first two games, we've gotten the full scope. Okay, so tell me that. We've gotten the good and the bad. The first game was all good. Forget the goal. Great goal. You know, dangled Sherratt out of his jock. Crazy.

That was awesome. Good shot. It was smart. It was skilled. it was everything Pierre Engvall is capable of but he worked hard he was a horse he was fast he was picking pucks off at the defensive blue line at the offensive blue line he was making life difficult for the Montreal Canadiens the uh heroic effort in the final minute to uh rag the puck a little bit and uh delay Montreal's breakout it was so good and then he got a little too

carried away with himself and he goes for the open net behind the red line not even close and he ices it and that could have literally cost in the game it could have cost in the game offensive zone face off you're a little worried it's leaf yeah and it's your job to clean up the mess because it's an icing call and you have to stay out there literally if they if the habs tie of the game it's entirely your fault and keith you know went oh like made fun of it and engvall followed it up with not a very good game is this goal the first goal or second goal or the third goal which engvall passing the puck to nobody in the middle of the ice and ottawa takes i thought that was the first is it the first goal yeah okay i'll trust you on that um what's going on there

that's my only question is why does it seem like Toronto Maple Leafs are prone to hey Dermott I'm going to do a spin in the middle uh at the blue line I'm going to turn over and the other team's going to score Engvall is going to pass it to nobody Justin Hall who's coming who's skating backwards towards his own goal I'm going to try and throw it to the middle of the ice I'm going to be taken what's the decision making going on with Leafs in their own zone and not be able to get the puck out so I think it was Ray Ferraro was like oh that that puck has to get out here their policy is they want to possess the puck and puck possession is good and there have been a few instances already this season where people have talked about like mockingly talked about puck

possession like it's a bad thing there are times where the thing to do is give it away that's one of those times and it's giving the puck away isn't necessarily even getting giving it away if you hustle hard enough you can win a battle in the corner and get the puck back you can but the the play to make okay the play to make is not back towards your own goal if you're gonna give it away give it away on that side of the line right give it away on the side of the line that is three or four feet away from you it's right there just chip it just chip it uh if it hits a leg or something and you take it too many men i mean damn what are you gonna do about that but you don't want to give it away leading to a goal oh is this what we're looking at that's

this is the whole sequence yeah so that's the first goal when i say what's going on here is it a directive from coaching to to not send the puck up the ice when that's the easy move is it is it a directive to hey try and do something in your zone to rag the puck around and keep it with you with our team that pass in particular there's no there's no justification for it there's absolutely when you say that pass can you explain it so it's basically i mean it's it's not entirely dissimilar to what galchenyuk did in overtime at game five there's another instance it's a cross ice pass except this is an in your uh defensive zone yeah no like you're honestly better off dumping it into the into the back corner to nobody like when do anything but

what you did when engvall has the puck he's facing his own goal when justin hall is coming back to supposedly retrieve that pass he's also facing his own goal and then muz is kind of just hovering in the middle it's an odd way to set up a hockey team who should be breaking out and heading down the other way of the ice i i think there must have been a miscommunication there had to have been a cross wire there well and also like i think we underestimate how many decisions in an nhl game are just blind panic blind panic and instinct and i think that happened there uh and you know he's a guy who plays with speed standing dead still there's traffic all around him and he went and this that's pure ingvall it's there's all these things he can do and he does that

it's our criticism we have this exact conversation with kesperi kapanen with our experience with him in toronto but also what he can be in pittsburgh here are the things kesperi kapanen can do here's what he does here are the things pierre engvall can do here's what he does yeah so you get the yin and the yang right yeah and like even his his penalty that he took uh in this game i didn't have a problem with it one i thought it was a soft call and two i mean it probably prevented a goal you know it's stuff like that that drives a coach nuts that shouldn't that shouldn't be a goal because it shouldn't be a scoring chance it shouldn't be in your zone at all hopefully as the season progresses though and maybe to the fact that perhaps and i don't know if this is

necessarily the case perhaps his lineup spot's a little more sure this year like he's gonna play so when you don't feel like if i fuck up i'm out of the lineup it can calm your brain down and maybe with you know maybe in 20 games because you know it's the first the first two right it's you're a bit jittery maybe in 20 games he's not making that play man uh when the leaf started making alexander barabanov a healthy scratch and then they put him back in he was a wild man so there's there's there's something to that um and i don't want to be this guy because it's a good story and as time has progressed i've tried to make less of a deal less of a big deal about the fourth line i don't get this whole michael amadio thing

what do you mean you don't like him not playing well what does he do you tell me well i my least favorite thing about him is he's not adam brooks but i okay so i watch him in the preseason i'm like okay works hard that's good i like that perhaps he's more of a playoff guy and that's how they view him and then i've been watching him since the season began and i'm like man we gave curtis gabriel shit for his skating and this guy well maybe two again maybe it's like again i'm going to reference the uh the all or nothing trying to make beliefs you know jimmy vc you could say the same thing last year like where and shelton even said it to him he's like i need i need you to have a thing so maybe this is the

opportunity as you do at the beginning of the season to go okay find your thing right maybe hasn't found it yet and i think you know two games in we'll give him the two games in and and you know let him go a few weeks and we'll see what happens you want to do the positive thing yeah we're gonna do the criticism sandwich or whatever compliment sandwich compliment criticism compliment you have smelly dog farts um michael bunting has found his thing and that is getting the shit beat out of him every shift and loving it with a oh god what is the matter with you michael i think people are gonna like like really like him like i think they're really gonna get into michael bunting as a leaf he's a little he's a little bit of a sociopath and i

kind of like it yeah me too yeah no there's something wrong with him it's cool now something we should talk about if you're moving off the lease we were gonna move off the lease but if you want to hit something else please nick richie been a disappointment again no couple games no okay he I mean he came in to be guy three guy three go to the net that's what he's been doing like I should be noticing Marner more

than I am I should be noticing Tavares more than I am I should be noticing Kerfoot at all Kerfoot's been invisible he didn't have a great game last night find a thing find a thing Jerry McCann looks great by the way

Yeah, two goals in two games. Yeah, cool. 82-game pace. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. 82-goal pace, that is. I also, I think, I don't think Kerfoot's going to be on this team. You don't, eh? Why not?

Trade bait? Well, I don't think it was we need this player. I think it was we can't lose this player for nothing. For nothing. Okay. There were rumors Dylan Strom might be on the move. Yeah, I think it was Freach that tweeted it out a couple days ago. the money if i'm not mistaken matches roughly and what would dylan strome bring that you're

not getting from kerfoot uh if that were to happen like hopefully a thing like i don't know a little bit more offense obviously like okay we're it's like the leafs are trying to make kerfoot into this defensive player but he's a playmaker except for when he's not and he can be an offensive player but they need him to play this role he needs a thing like are you versatile or a plug you know what i mean and there are times where i'm like man i feel like i've had this conversation with my boss before yeah like there are times where i watch him i'm like this is a really versatile player and there are games like last night where i'm like you're an ahl column you're a talented ahl column they all need to find a thing right and it's a few games in we'll

see what happens it was uh pierre lebrun in the athletic who said uh as discussed on insider trading uh dylan strome potentially could be on the move the blackhawks have been getting calls on him according to league sources teams are aware the blocks blackhawks have a surplus at center after trading for tyler johnson this offseason plus there's been a healthy return of caves and doc uh strome the third overall pick by arizona in 2015 makes three million dollars this season and then is an rfa hmm there you go maybe even dermot i don't know there's there's mentions that ottawa might make might make sense for a strong well they need a center with colin white out another thing lost in that game i'm sorry you have to beat the brady kachukla sense

oh yeah so i i wanted to talk about that because i actually thought it was awesome theater having him come out having him sign that morning i almost feel like i looked at sid six zero had a tweet that morning and said like brady kachuk will not be in the lineup for the senators tonight eugene melnick is a disgrace and i thought eugene probably saw that and was like fine fucking sign him i'm gonna show this guy yeah people people keep talking about the contract and the cap hit listen it's the the cap it's lunacy i think um yeah 8.2 over 8.2 it's also never going to affect the ottawa senate yeah that's that's my thing on this deal the the money is it's just it's imaginary money because you're always going to be so many below the cap that

if you give a guy a huge payday it doesn't affect your cap no so you're not up against it in case you didn't know uh seven years 57.5 million it works out to be about 8.3 million per season 8.2 8.214 okay well cap friendly is saying oh this year is 8.33 because he'll miss a week and then it's 8.205714 so yeah okay that's why yeah that is confusing and he doesn't get a no move clause until the last three years of the deal um which gives him a tremendous amount of leverage now the actual salary though is interesting oh oh yeah no signing bonus no signing bonuses at all so that's interesting but i bet because of that um he was able to get the senators to come up on the actual number the other thing is he makes four million this year 6.5 and

then it balloons to 10.5 for three straight years so he's like you know i'll take a small raise and a small raise quote unquote and then another small raise and then you can then you can blow the doors off with the money but the actual money for this year for the senators is four million and i think that's interesting because we've just gone basically two seasons without any fans in the building so they're probably like listen brady we're we're we're choking here there's lots of contracts like that yeah i think petterson's looks like that and yeah a lot of deals are very low at the beginning and everybody's talking about that three-year mark when revenues come back yeah pre-pandemic numbers wasn't it great though to see him out there in front of all the fans it was like

wwe like he was up there and he's like getting the fans up and i'm like that is kudos to the senators for doing that that's great theater and brady kachuk is exactly the kind of attitude you want the auto that's the word that's the word theater it's so that you don't want to start your season with a cloud right knee lander being out of the lineup or holding out it wasn't man it wasn't really a cloud and also the leafs had just no it was a it was a cloud go watch it was a cloud for us but like leaf fans i think we're like oh knee lander's not there but you know who is there john tavares because that was his first year maybe a net neutral cloud i was i was that tavaris's first game it wasn't a net okay all right cloud uh it was it was pretty amazing

but with the senator's first game okay you know we're finally out of the house we're at this game and brady kachuk though and then he's there it's announced in the morning so you have a day's worth of stone cold steve austin memes and shit and getting you hyped up and there's a great mood and i'm feeling good about the ottawa senators and you know what i'm gonna buy tickets to this game to go see the Ottawa Senators and theater is a part of it that you can't discount. It's the

mood of the fan base instantly improves the second that deal goes through. If you're a Sens fan or you're not like, you feel like an Islanders fan like you're going to throw a chair. That's why it's a great contract. You get Brady Kachuk for eight years. That's it. Seven years, sorry. Still good.

Eight years, eight million dollars. It's a great deal. And you can say what you want about the points totals and I get that people like well it's an overpay or whatever i definitely think when you strip a team back like the sens did and you're a smaller market you do pay a tax for not having stars on your roster and what i mean by that is i look at kind of what happened with the toronto maple leafs a little bit here too and what will happen in buffalo when they eventually turn it around is brady kachuk could look at the senators and go okay who else you got right right well you're not going to trade me

i know you're not going to trade me so you're probably going to just have to do what i say and and you know the the leafs thing was like they had good players but a lot of the good players that ushered in the next generation the jvrs the bozax all those guys were either older uh or we're gonna be too expensive or whatever they weren't under contract so the leafs pay attacked because matthews and martyr look at them and go who else you got you gonna trade me oh it's not gonna happen jack eichel's contract oh 100 i would like 10 million dollars because no one else is here yeah i'm right and and you know what if that's the tax the senators have to pay so be it it'll never affect their salary like you said steve it's imaginary money it's

it's also i mean yeah it might not look the best on cap friendly but you know where it looks good in the building when the fans go hooray which is your entire business it looks great when he's wearing a c yeah yeah so is that a bit announced yet is he no no but it's gonna happen his see that there are a couple of good things for the Sens man like they've got some good players and stuff the jerseys are killer the new I really like them you love those jerseys and then and then obviously Brady I I still like Sens guy no the Senators man no no the Dion for no looking fellow it looks like who's the guy from wrestling who keeps stealing like this that he's got the thing oh he keeps and everybody Paul Bearer that that logo looks like Paul Bearer he's just like

it doesn't you're stealing it yes nation always buying up the tickets it doesn't look like paul bearer but there's like a chubby man i know but that's a skinny army looking dude young paul bearer a handsomer paul bearer okay when he when he was doing his military service no uh anyway it's uh um now um there's a lot more to talk about the nh obviously senators played a great game last night i do want to say shout out to anton forestberg that was an unbelievable performance and no matter what you got a game can respect game that was a hell of a game when we at least had 50 shots that actually hit the net something like and then it was like over 70 shot attempts it was come on it was uh and and especially good for a goalie who i don't

think was projected to start the season yeah i think we should say some words for matt murray like well so what happened there because i didn't know about that until i turned the tv on and was like what's forsberg doing apparently it came down like that day he just let everybody know he couldn't go that day oh and then that's it so we'll we don't really know if it was injury or what's happening there so just yeah hopefully everything because that's that's the guy he's had such a rocky career post pittsburgh yeah like you hope he and well even at the end at the end of pittsburgh yeah you hope that he gets it back because matt murray's such he was such a great goalie in his prime when he's uh taking them to the cup so hopefully it's nothing serious and he's

back there on uh what is it saturday they play yeah so that's the bad story the good story is anton forsberg who was basically held hostage last season got got to play the best game of his career and like i i mean that's that's hyperbole but like he he was just in wavers purgatory he for like three months five different waivers he's he claims he's had over the course of his career in a covet season like all because carolina was like yoink and also we're not going to use you yeah and then we're going to trade a calder candidate like what's just very strange decisions all around you're expecting carolina to ever be completely normal and conservative and boring you're they're never going to be which is what makes them so much fun now we do have to

move on to some other scoreboards um uh i cannot believe this buffalo montreal game i cannot believe this buffalo montreal game who scored so we got akpozo scored and then zemgus gergensen's one of the greatest names in the nhl history weidman for the canadians olfson york tage thompson and uh that's spread over three periods um now let me let me just say this and and and you know everybody's super down on the sabers rightfully so and really you should just be down on their management but you do have to wonder you should be cheering for those players you should be sure you have to wonder if you're a sabers player right now and everybody's shitting you shitting on you right now what usually happens or what can happen especially in the nhl with a merry band of we got

nothing to lose i said this i said this about a month ago it's it's gonna be at least one of the coyotes or the sabers are going to way overachieve because their expectations are beneath the american hockey league the easiest money in the world was putting money on over 16 wins the overrunner for the sabers come on is that actually what it was you put it on no i didn't i didn't bet on it but then i bet on it now uh i don't know probably seasons probably started i think it's probably you didn't hit that see i thought that was just 32 thoughts pulling it out of nowhere no that's from the odds makers it's ridiculous they have to be historically bad to hit 16 wins i would put hundreds of dollars right this team is gonna be decent and any nhl teams get it over 16 wins i

said 10 wins by the way in the season yeah you're so wrong fine but i would still take that bet even though at the time i did believe 10 wins this is shocking though and and i wonder steve i know you want to say something here but i i do wonder the montreal canadians are a bit injury depleted so that's we need to give them that and just not that good to begin with they're not they're not why are you looking at me like that did anyone where did you have him ranked where did you have him ranked uh sixth in the division sixth in the division well listen if you ask montrealers they'll say hey they went to the finals last year yeah and you were all shocked all of you every one of you where's where's danelle carrie price and shea weber not here is the answer gone

gone and gone i don't think edmondson out of the lineup and yeah there's it's not good man it's not great petrie and i you know i was um i was uh listening to i've listened the first couple episodes of game over with andrew berkshire and his by the way who has done a spectacular job so so good compelling but not that i should sound surprised but like oh so proud of my friend yeah you're just overwhelmed with pride for andrew so happy for him because he's fucking spectacular so good julian mckenzie though from the cj show went on because we like synergy here that was the first one yeah he went on the first one and one of the things they talked about about the game against the leafs was how the habs are going to have to change their power play because what they're used

two is shea weber from the point and shea weber from the point and everybody get in front of the net and don't get hit in the face shea weber from the point and now they're gonna have to shift things around one of the things that they were talking about is just even even something slight small like the least were really on them uh in the penalty kill and one of the things that andrew said is like and jack khan i think was talking about too is if you just switch positions you throw a team that's penalty killing into a bit of chaos because they don't know where you're gonna go so if steve is on the point and jesse's on the the high wing and i'm on the low wing and jesse and steve just switch even that little adjustment like that can throw an entire penalty

kill off and the habs don't do that and i wonder hoffman's not in the lineup i think that changes things when hoffman gets in the lineup that's a good shot that's a really good shot so i and he always he's good for 20 goals minimum but it was such a great point because they were they were um letting everybody understand how they were still playing as if they had the big booming defenseman so like if if hoffman comes back hopefully that changes everything because yeah uh they they're missing they andrew made the example of they had prime pk and then they went to shea weber and then they never this year it seems like they haven't filled that slot yeah you've got jeff petrie but you had jeff petrie and shea weber before right right it's well okay just when

marner has the puck cut off matthews and that's the whole strategy it's done it's nice to see by the way saw marner drive to the net a couple times really like that for the first unit i was i was getting ready to just t off on them and then they decided to get eight shots in one the only thing is marner he lacks a little finish i wish i wish he could finish in that a little i at least appreciate how pissed off he is about it yes yeah and i like that he's driving one thing i will say though is the leafs power play in the first month of last year in the season started at 43 percent where were they in may i like 27 it was like six how many five percent five awful five percent so i'm excited about the power play early but you can understand how i might be like well

i sure hope they keep this going it's been terrible getting back to the habs yeah um another the thing that hurts them a little bit is just kind of a lack of size up front yeah uh not really enough and that definitely makes life more difficult in front of the net um i i got a shout out the nashville predator social team who uh and we're just switching gears here because i want to get through some of the other games um who who did the fake banner thing and they love a fake gave seattle the first franchise win which is pretty funny good for them that's good for three win and you know the the the kraken got their first fight uh they got their first win i it's a bummer that it couldn't come at home um right but you know like that's the way it goes and i

they'll get plenty of wins at home i really take the two points over the uh the way at home i gotta say i really like this kraken team i i was highly critical and then i have them third in their division and i think people thought that that was high but i think i really think that this is a very good team did you see stone solid all the way through stone getting mad at geeky for some reason the the golden knights were mad at morgan geeky i don't know i didn't i didn't understand that one i didn't yeah they're like oh it's celebration and he like literally did like a fist pump scoring the seventh goal of his career less than 40 games into his career erasing a three goal deficit in his franchise's first ever game like i don't know man like what do you want

mark like i didn't i didn't understand that at all i'm not gonna go too hard at mark stone because he got hurt after that but did you see uh jock peterson's first goal with uh uh washington peterson's first goal and then tj oshie picked him up off the ice to celebrate yes what's his name uh it's jock jack peterson hold on peterson yeah you're not i don't think you have a name right washington i i watched the highlights at uh um at are you talking about hendrix lapierre no is that who it was i yo i don't know i watch the highlights every morning at 4 a.m jock peterson's from a different sport i know that jock peterson's a baseball player so i'm gonna go to daily face off place for the red sock listen there's never there's never a show

no the braves oh the braves jake peterson is it jake no jake lapierre whatever his name everyone's jake i'm gonna look it up you know the reason is that like again i said i don't ever get to do this show not having woken up at 4 a.m so it's a bummer because sometimes your brain just doesn't worked the same and uh uh who was it that's hendrix lap it was a hendrix lapierre i don't know what i was thinking shout out the braves who are gonna play the dodgers in the uh that is gonna be a great series i think that they had just run the highlights they had run the highlights before i think bless you adam whatever anyway it was so cool like i don't know who was more excited about that goal hendrix lapierre or tj oshie and tj oshie physically just picking up and go come

like hugging him that was an incredible moment so great and and ovechkin had a hell of a first game too like questionable until the game time then you know i'll just score a casual two goals yeah because the final preseason game he got injured and everyone's like what the fuck ovechkin and then now he's gonna catch gretzky this year by december like what a beast it's funny there are people still who don't think that that's possible it's extraordinarily possible it's It's very possible. And rightfully so. I think we wrote it off, especially in the late 90s

when the trap game came in. And then, you know, the most, you know, 82 points in 82 games was rare. The Gretzky has a 90 goal season. 92. Yeah, 92 goal season. You ever see him do an interview about it? No.

He goes, I should have had 100. Oh, God. That's ridiculous. By the way, can we just do an aside for the American coverage? So I was watching Tampa, Pittsburgh. and the way that espn shoots a hockey game is absolutely outstanding yeah really good first off they shoot it in 1080p or 4k so the picture is much clearer than what we get and then the other thing is we have 4k that we have 4k but you have to pay for the channel they're shooting

everything with those cameras all the time if you if you have sports net 4k you get the i have sports net on the app get your ignite tv box wow and get four are you defecting back i have i have ignite tv it's awesome i watch i watch all of my sports in 4k and i can i i a lot of the times i like recording the game and then just fast forwarding through commercials and then i get a speedy little watch in 4k it's beautiful there it is well let me tell you this what i loved about this as a adam get wrecked on netflix the the thing that i love as a production nerd is the shot that they did so they had all the tampa bay lightning you know lined up in a semicircle and they're watching this banner come up and the camera is panning behind all of their heads

and you could see all the jerseys lined up and you know and then there's victor headman and everybody else and it was just such a powerful shot and then they were and then they shoot it the banner goes up into the stands and the camera's shooting up so you're basically on the ice with the players there's just a way that ESPN does things and you're like that's why, that's why they're them

and that is what this sport has been missing and it's not a diss to NBC but NBC just never came close and I think American fans especially and I know this from having dealing with production deals and stuff now with this network

um people hockey can be often forgotten in the in the advertising industry down there i'm kind of excited for for hockey to get back on the map did you see what charles barkley said what he said on the tnt panel which by the way is spectacular he goes so good he goes hockey was on the outdoor life network i'm rich and i didn't get that channel gary was on gary bettman was on good morning america promoting that espn had the the rights now and tnt is gonna have the rights and he's the i'm gonna i'm gonna screw this up but his quote was basically if espn does a better as good a job as shutting us out of american television as they do promoting it going forward hockey's gonna grow exponentially because they basically shut

them out for like a decade or whatever so just hopefully they do a good job doing the other side yeah should we show hockey highlights or bowling i'm gonna go with high school bowling now i know gary would probably want to be on good morning america but if i am promoting the sport that was the gary is probably not my guy and i would if i was gary i would probably go i'm probably not the guy here yeah you don't sell you don't send goodell to promote nfl football listen good there's some problem but but goodell at least is like but he goodell's not russell wilson yeah send the star send cindy crosby send send ovi i don't know send pk send send send a personality yeah send matthews matthews will say something semi-interesting yeah yeah i don't yeah

i don't know one of the rangers any of them any of the rangers good point any of the rangers any ryan reeves send ryan reeves would have been perfect yes just send ryan reeves no you send gary betman who is always going to give you a straight up answer so gary you're on good morning america i might be i mean i'm here i'm in the building i'm in the studio the camera is on and we're broadcasting am i on good morning america who's to say that's really good he's a good lawyer he's a damn good lawyer that's why he gets paid why he gets paid two things you're talking about the production stuff one thing that really bothers me is uh fox when they do their baseball coverage a lot of the times they don't uh they don't have 4k cameras but they broadcast in 4k and it's just

upscaled 1080p and i know because i did the research but a lot of the consumers don't know you're getting upscaled for you're getting upscaled 1080p and they're saying it's a 4k broadcast because they're up is that right it's a lot but they're not with football with baseball baseball are they giving you a medium beer and a large cup yeah because they they didn't supply all the stadiums with all the 4k cameras because that's very expensive so now they have a 4k broadcast but they're still using the old 1080p cameras so they're just upscaling the uh the broadcast that they're getting and sending it out as interesting it's fucking live interesting it's so it's terrible they're lying to the consumer i hate that that's bullshit oh yeah that is

actual bullshit like don't i mean it's like listen fox you can afford some 4k cameras they might be 120 grand each or whatever they are they're outrageously expensive for what it is because 4k is already on the way out eight what is it 16k that's moved in the movies right now and then when you're filming on film and movies they've been on whatever yeah 20k forever whatever the hell it is it takes forever to catch up yeah but i'm just thinking like at this point 4k has been around for like eight years yeah and it's still not integrated properly and you know like at consumer tech shows and stuff like that like samsung's already coming out with like a i don't even know you can go to best buy today and get an 8k tv like it's hella expensive but it's a thing

but there's nothing life there's nothing being broadcast in 8k so there's literally zero point to buying it whenever i walk in there i'm like can i have whatever dvd it is you guys are running to make this tv look so good because my picture you know it's like it's a big cascading mountain and there's a waterfall and there's ducks flapping and i'm like wow that tv is gorgeous and i bring it home and it's like oh all right they got they got the dvd yeah daddy daddy pig looks about the same as daddy pig looks at the pig in 14k yeah um i do want to mention uh too the the lightning detroit game yesterday was amazing because midway through by the way that tweet that people got on me for um thankfully i didn't get ratioed but um but but people were like yeah well the tampa bay

lightning are getting crushed by the detroit red wings right now and that was because it was in the second period not knowing of course that even though detroit came out and scored two more goals in the third tampa woods go four unanswered seven six overtime can andre vasilevsky stop being my worst fantasy player so he's talk about that because i know that he's killing me two games he's killing me so okay in my fantasy draft i looked at how the points were weighted and i was like okay goalies are going to be very important after connor mcdavid there's probably going to be a severe drop off in scoring so with my first pick since i don't have the first one my first two picks because it's a snake draft so i'm gonna have two picks close together i'm gonna get the

two best goalies i can and then worry about scoring after so i go bang bang vasilevsky hellebuck wow they both stink my best goalie right now is cal peterson wow You have Hellebuck And Vasilevsky I have Hellebuck, Vasilevsky, Cal Peterson So you're carrying three goalies In a two goalie league Well I have

For when one has the night off But you have two You have a bench as well Yeah but that's a terrible way to draft Why? Because if you have three goalies You should have one of the one B's And a one and then you have one of the backups

Peterson will probably it's kind of but you have the you have two bona fide starters oh you can sorry i should say you can start two goalies yeah you can start two goalies so you have your two bona fide starters so you you shouldn't have wasted such a high draft pick on another bona fide star you only need one you should you should have spent that draft capital on something else also you're in an amateur fantasy league because you're doing a rotisserie you're doing a snake draft instead of an auction an auction yeah you should be auction drafting switch to that next explain that to me so you you have like a 200 budget and then there's a play like conor mcdavid comes up

and then everybody bids on him oh yeah that's the way you drive we can talk about fantasy for hours oh yeah i like that i need a show for that uh the um the uh uh uh the the other thing i wanted to mention is tyler bertuzzi's goal which it's unfortunate because as a leaf fan we can relate to this score the most franchise altering beautiful goal of your entire career still lose the game and lose four goals yeah the matthews pointing goal that they lost that game yep hey scoring four goals in a game does not guarantee you a win yeah weirdly if you're the leafs is the dangle on the what was it the second one where he split the 2d man stupid yeah unbelievable i had no idea bertuzzi was that talent yeah stupid stupid stupid but i because

he didn't play last year basically like he was he was an all-star the year before yep oh no way Yeah, but like Somebody from Detroit had to be Not that he wasn't Every team sends a guy Yeah, like Leo Komarov was an all-star You know what? He was smart Because

Not that I'm not taking shots at Tyler Fattuzzi, by the way It's like, you know Detroit's going to miss him for nine games this year For no good reason He's too good for that, but oh well It's his choice, whatever But he was smart in St. Louis Because he did what the players hate doing

and that's showing up early but he's smart because if you show up early that means you get everything done we had him in we had him out he was done he was done his media tour shit before most players arrived yeah I appreciated it

anyway well I have to say it's a it's like he Detroit is gonna be fun Detroit's gonna be fun this year i like the fact that they're at least challenging tampa it's early it's fun that's good i do want to quickly mention here too before we get into the press conference because we do have to get

into that oh do you want to keep going to detroit oh yeah i wanted to the larkin joseph stuff what okay talk to us did you okay so matthew joseph hits larkin with you i you cannot do that hit i assume he'll get suspended and then dylan larkin responds by whammo punching this guy in the face with his glove on which you also can't do i think both guys might get dinged i at least like that detroit's not gonna take any shit no you're not gonna do that to our guys because that was a problem with toronto early on when they were in that same stage where detroit is right now where they kind of stink um whoa that is a falco punch yeah but the problem is that you know toronto wouldn't do that they got punked a lot you you okay like it it loses some of its fire because

they lost but you establish a precedent you can't fucking touch me like that and that's the captain doing his own fighting and probably in a position where he's hurt uh and speaking of captains and dirty hits uh landis god yeah i was gonna mention getting that suspension that's one of those hits where i feel like it didn't need to happen but i also you know you can almost see how i could it's it's a an early season example getting made of landis cog and because of the suspension blake coleman got at the end of the preseason you've established you can't do this this is two games that's why i think joseph mike had two games and larkin will get one okay that makes sense um uh or larkin will get a fine charlie mcavoy you always forget that the league loves

a fine charlie mcavoy has re-signed in boston eight years 9.5 million dollars a piece and it's interesting you don't often hear this usually it's either oh that's an overpay or wow they got a deal but dom decision actually put it in his graph and he said worth every penny oh he's an amazing player as elite fan i couldn't help but be like oh so morgan riley's like gone gone uh but uh this is the new market this is why i said quinn hughes was going to get more than elias peterson but the the price for defenseman wild absolutely wild but at least he's really good i wonder if the new and this could be stupid but i wonder if the new market market inefficiency is cheap defenseman it not cheap defenseman but a system that can accommodate cheap defenseman like if you ever

yes if you ever figured out truly how to how to have a system where the max your defenseman makes is 5.5 which is what letty was making last year pellick is what well there's pellick and pullock which is not confusing at all uh but pullock just got i think it was six point something for eight years okay which is gonna look oh my yeah i mean it's gonna look so so good but they play like they have a system where you can have guys that you can plug in that maybe aren't that great and that's not i'm not taking like that aren't like superstars and it's okay and i i i think whoever the next great mind is in hockey wherever that emerges whoever can figure out how to have defense play extremely well extremely effective maybe top third in the league without having a eight or nine

million dollar defenseman i mean that is that's got to be the next big thing the capitals got it wrong with barry trotz they and not just not just because not just because he's successful But they didn't want to pay him his money No no you guys don't get it Barry Trotz keeps prices down He plays a certain way Every Barry Trotz team forever Preds

Has always played a certain way And who on those teams got friggin paid None Nobody David Legwand Weber that's it Because he got offer sheeted And I think Suter was on those teams

Right he developed on those teams But he didn't get his money until Minnesota gave it to him Barry Trotz keeps prices down, but they didn't want to pay him. No, that's too much. $4 million, too much. I also didn't think, I thought there was some tension between him and the GM, and I think that might have been part of it. Get over it.

You won a cup, and he keeps prices down. Egos, they'll kill you every time. Wow. Man. And lastly, I did want to mention, too, Dallas looked pretty good with Braden Holtby in that, and that was interesting because we talked about this in the offseason. You know, he signed there for $2 million

bucks because it's probably the money he lost from vancouver i think that's about what he lost in the buyout maybe um and i wouldn't have paid him much more than that after his performance certainly not but you as we said if you don't make it happen this year you could find yourself out of the league yep and you know they need him because they have you know uh who dobin's playing yep uh but bishop is not and it has not played for a year so it's it's one of those things where this is a great opportunity it was such a bummer for him to go down like same with marazic like marazic groin he gets a stick to the head and has to leave did you see that hope it hope it yeah it was like an errant stick and it got into his mask oh the first week and i think it might have

been like it to me i feel like it might have been and i'm totally speculating no i don't actually know felt like it might be a concussion oh no like he got up he played but it was he was and then hudobin had to come in and i was like damn it like you know it would be stories like that are the best stories guy comes guy has a couple of bad two three bad years after winning the cup right and and really needs to turn it around starts hot and then it's like wow resurges i love stories like that an older goalie signing with dallas is it's a match made in heaven because they play sort of similarly to what i was talking about with the islanders that's a really good point they're really they're really structured like what a what a place to uh to re-establish

who you are in this league the Canucks you're you're signing up to be the guide for their young goalie right he's going to be your apprentice and also the starter but the team was not set up to help Holtby succeed the stars are it's a good match really good point they do play that smothering defense good fit all right shall we do the press conference here's the Holtby injury if you want to see yeah it's bizarre right oh yeah just inside of the just a weird thing like uh like uh he's caught unawares big change in direction yeah that's i mean it at very if nothing else hurt like hell yeah not great um and it comes after he made that unbelievable save too you see that one on uh strome no there's too much hockey there's just too much okay i'll play it for you as well

Can I also, oh yeah, I got a text message to read you guys once this is done. Hang on. Anyway, let's get it. Also. That's never happened before. I got scared by the thing. By the intro. Two things before we get started, Jesse.

Sorry to do this to you. Sure. First off, I got a text from Sid Sixero just like a minute ago. Did he say the Calder Cup means nothing? No, he said Dangle's impression of me was the worst fucking thing I've ever seen. so daniel's impression of me is the worst fucking thing i've ever seen so you know what we need to do is get you guys on we need you to read like 50 shades of gray or something like something really uncomfortable but as sid and then have sid read it too uh and then and the other thing is

somebody asked on twitter they're like hey adam can you help me up with what charlie mcavoy's contract would be per day talking about on the podcast help me put numbers into perspective so what you do 9.5 million dollars and you divide that by 200 days it's exactly 200 days 200 days so per day once this extension kicks in because i believe that starts next year does it not yeah i would have to charlie mcavoy will make 47 500 american dollars a day which is probably 55 canadian a day do you see why

I like cheered against player who I won't name like in contract negotiations oh yeah the little guy ah come on Charlie always root for the little guy you go and get your $47,000

but he's worth it he brings that much value to the team probably more in a free and open market which it's not I'm just saying there is no The billionaire that owns the team Let's talk about that Sorry let me correct myself I will cheer for Charlie McAvoy

Versus Jeremy Jacobs One day I hope somebody writes a book Or does a documentary on Jeremy Jacobs Cause this guy In the shadows if you're a fan that's never really Jeremy Jacobs is One of the biggest

Names in the sport one of the biggest power players in the sport never does interviews never gets mentioned never gets talked about and i think there's a reason why as people freaked out 1970s style owner who still owns a team in 2021 yeah yeah yeah jeremy jacobs guy you need to get to know um okay jesse sorry about that all good do you guys want to play a new game i'm trying out let's do it i think we need to bring a little trivia back to the podcast okay so i came up with a game called hockey verse history oh okay all right i asked adam a history question okay i asked steve a hockey question oh shit adam's gonna kill me or i asked the question will alternate between but you guys get to pick the

whoever answers the question correctly the previous time gets to pick the category and then you buzz in i think that's the way we should go i'm brainstorming this out loud so i'm gonna ask the question we'll start with history and then the first person to buzz in how do we buzz in we just go buzz no you got to yell your name it's like adam or steve okay so adam you have to pay attention for this i'm paying attention i'm just tweeting out game over montreal okay that's not necessary sorry okay so so i'll ask a question and then you buzz in okay and then whoever answers it correctly gets to pick the next category okay okay this is called hockey verse history and next time we do this i'll get some intro music and

we'll have a little fun and it'll just be jesse on his voice memos going versus history okay it's got to be 70s sort of news intro oh yeah okay steve you can't look at my computer so i'm trying to that's why i'm doing this i'm trying to duck away okay all right first history question oh dear how many years adam you gotta i'm listening i'm paying attention how many years did the hundred year war last somebody's got a buzzing adam adam i think it was like i know it's just under just over it's not 100 but i think it's

like 120 off and on am i wrong that is incorrect yeah steve do you have a guess seven what no 116 years Oh Alright let's move to Cause I thought I remembered something from history Where it was nowhere near 100 years There was probably a war like that But yeah it was 100

It was on and off right Well you were closer Let's move over to the hockey category Which San Jose player Did Toronto acquire For their 2003 postseason run Adam Owen Nolan

Owen Nolan is correct Wow For Brad Boy It's first to five And I was so excited about that I loved it Adam He was so good

Two goals in his first game Adam has one point Would you like History Or hockey Let's go history Okay I'm gonna try to play my odds here right

Let's move over Like what are the chances I get another hockey question On Steve right Seriously I'm not the quickest though That was very good one of the ancient world wonders the hanging gardens was found in which city adam

adam babylon babylon is correct so apparently they haven't figured out yet how they did this but it was a gigantic garden that was in the middle of the city and then uh water just somehow pumped up to the top of this tower and then it kind of cascaded down and then you'd have plants and stuff and one of the wonders of the world and I think it was the I think it was the Macedonians under Alexander the Great that when they

conquered it I think they burned it down and no one quite knows how it happened that's mean well they had been at war for a long time it's ancient warfare you are up to nothing which category would you like history or hockey now do I pad my lead with some more history

pad it do i and then i'll go back to hockey okay play to win play to win play to win yeah history how many u.s presidents have been assassinated steve two incorrect adam you can steal okay i i can think of two offhand can't figure out if he died in office or not three incorrect is it just the one the correct answer is four four yeah four yes i didn't know that here i don't have the so jfk lincoln lincoln and then i thought it was the guy right before

teddy roosevelt but he might have just i thought he died of a gunshot wound there was one guy who was like a month in office we have abraham lincoln he was assassinated april 15th 1865 we have james garfield assassinated 1881 september that's that animaniac song uh james garfield someone really hated because he was assassinated we have william mckinley 1901 right before teddy roosevelt was his vice president and that's how he that's right and then we have John F. Kennedy, 1963 on the grassy knoll. My other guess was three, so I would have got it right. Honestly, in American history, after the Civil War to World War I,

it's like a vacuum of this guy was president, but we're really not sure what he did. Same with, like, there's a guy named, like, Andrew Taylor or something like that. No one's ever, like, cool, man. President Taylor. Steve, would you like hockey or history? Because you both got it wrong, so we'll switch back.

Hockey, please. Hockey. All right. um matt sundin played with the maple leafs from 1994 to 2008 scoring 420 regular season goals whose make-believe team record of 389 goals did sundin eclipse during the oh oh sorry no no this do it you can do it you can cut me off anytime if you know the answer ah shit daryl sitler daryl sitler is correct i wouldn't got that that's two one for adam usually when it's leaf records i'm like uh keon or mahabalich i don't know it's always it's generally pretty underwhelming yeah

yeah yeah keon mahabalich sittler ornstrong hockey or history hockey all right what was jack adams nickname oh I'm trying to think back to that Ted Lindsay Drama that the CBC did On the founding of the NHLPA Jack Adams is such a dick He is Jack Adams was an a-hole

All those owners back then were terrible Okay Steve I believe it was Jack Because I don't think that was his real name Close but incorrect. Adam, can you steal?

I don't really know punch him like. Jack Adam's nickname. Was it John? No. It was Jolly Jack. Because he was such an a-hole. Jolly Jack. Adam, you both got incorrect. Which category would you like?

Let's go hockey. Let it ride. let's go all right fine who was ed belfor's first team adam adam i almost regret this but i think it is chicago the chicago blackhawks well done why did i think buffalo i don't know you didn't say i don't think he ever played there either uh because he uh him and dominic hashik were on the same team yo the chicago blackhawks with that goaltending tandem stupid stupid how do they not win a cup stupid ronick amante like they had a great team they chose the wrong hall of famer yeah history or hockey history history all right let's move back to history in which country did

the easter rising take place ireland ireland is correct 1915 no 1960 i'm sorry you're incorrect yeah and long overdue home rule should have happened just what well so essentially what led to that was that like the brits were like uh we're gonna let uh australia do their thing and we're gonna let canada do their thing ireland we'll get to you eventually and ireland's probably like fuck off man and that's that's basically they'd say that yeah well i'm sure they'd say it in better terms than that i've watched dairy girls where are we at adam's amazing what a show really good show 4-1 4-1 for adam okay all right uh adam would you like hockey or hockey let's go i got it right where i want you wanna yeah it was 4-1 you want

to give it back to steve i want to do hockey all right who was suspended for eight season games and some playoff games for elbowing Scott Niedermeyer. Steve, tie Domi. Tie Domi is correct. Was Gary Suter Paul Greer? Oh, I don't know.

No, Scott Stevens nailed Paul Greer, but he wasn't suspended for it. I don't remember. It was so unnecessary, and the Leafs were winning, too. Okay, go ahead, Steven. Okay. Which Leafs player

won the MVP in 1955. Steve. Oh no. Like the MVP of the year? The heart that year. Was it called the heart back then? I don't know. I will say MVP. I believe it was

Teeter Kennedy. Ted Kennedy is correct! If you had missed that, I would have been like Turk Broda. I don't know, man. There's so few mvps to pick from and i'm like uh yeah it's like i told you last episode the last vesna was 1965 for the leafs god so i believe it's four three it is i let him back in you did i'm very leafs here

leaky defense here which maple leaf scored his first goal in his first nhl game during the last game of the regular season for the 0-2-0-3 season. I think I know who this is. Matt Stajan on Martin Brodeur. Matt Stajan on Martin Brodeur is correct. Man, I hate that. Well done, Steve.

Did I tell you guys I sat next to Matt Stajan in a Raptors game once? No. Very, very nice. We were randomly ended up with courtside tickets. Shut up. I want to sit courtside so bad. This is when the Raptors were ass though. Courtsides were like

50 bucks and yeah he was a was really nice guy really nice guy okay so adam's gotten a bunch of hockey ones history oh you're being nice stop being nice man you should have closed it out stop you should have closed it out you're gonna get fucked on this one which infamous prison was stormed on july 14th 1789 the bastille in and just outside paris and the bastille in paris is correct fulsome prison and that's what johnny cash wrote the song congratulations thank you that is the first edition of hockey verse history adam takes the ground you know what that was a lot of fun we're gonna do that again that was really good jesse jesse is a mean trivia guy he's so good yo i'm i hope we do more trivia like this because jesse is

i gotta get the production yeah the production is the best the fun part for me yeah it was really good that was fun damn all right is that it yeah we'll end it there okay well listen thank you so much for listening join our discord yeah join over 7 000 people on our discord during games it is booming like it's just constant people just talking about the games whatever game you want to Watch whatever NHL game you want to happen. You want to watch along with a bunch of people. There's a game day thread for the game, and it's just constant conversation. It's fantastic.

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Very excited about That's all I can say I should have gone with hockey Why didn't you close me out Because no I didn't Want it hanging over my head that I didn't get a single History one but you got hockey ones

But it's still hanging over your head You didn't get a single history one. You don't have a win. Isn't it Sun Tzu? If you're going to hit a man, kill him. Literally, take him out. I read that book. The Bastille in Paris, Steve.

That was the answer. What was the hockey one? Give us the hockey one. Here was the hockey one I was going to ask if you didn't go with history. It was in what year did Matt Sundin become captain of the Leafs? Steve.

I know this one. 1995? Incorrect. 1997. Adam would have won. See? So I went down the way I should have. Yeah.

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