The Steve Dangle Podcast - Call Me Maybe | April 8, 2021

Episode Date: April 8, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Steve's walk took too long (00:00), who wore the crown? (05:00), are goalies voodoo? (14:30), is Jack Campbell the Toronto Maple Leafs new number 1 starting goalie? (31:00), the New York Islanders acquire Kyle Palmieri & Travis Zajac from the New Jersey Devils (59:00), are the Buffalo Sabres going to trade Taylor Hall? (1:04:00), Steve calls old hockey related numbers in his phone (1:23:00), Steve's Zoo Stories! Poo edition (1:30:00), and do you name your Pokemon? (1:37:00). Originally aired: April 8, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/H_bTDd78j7M Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://ca.manscaped.com/ https://www.blinkist.com/en/nc/partners/the-steve-dangle-podcast https://www.babbel.com/ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake you know i was going to start today with an apology but let's talk about how steve dangle of the steve dangle podcast the steve dangle podcast t sdp uh was uh forgot that he had a show or forgot how long walks are with his dog it's been around for how old is iggy five now six six just turned six so we know the second one we normally record at about two o'clock it's 2 22 right now and so what happened steve you messaged us you said i'm sorry i got caught on a walk so we're we're uh we're getting some work done in the backyard right now because it's one of the very few legal things remaining right and So we can't let Iggy out

Can't let him outside If we did He'd be in a construction site And if he actually managed to get onto the grass There would be a nest of bunnies So just a Minefield back there So I gotta take him on walks

Every time Every time And I'm like you know what I'm an old man I know I'm about to be sitting For about two hours with my buds don't want to stiffen up there don't want to have any disc issues get the qls tightening up there heaven forbid the piriformis syndrome oh who knows about that high five fellow olds i have

no idea what that is yeah so i uh i went for a walk and looked at my phone and was not near my house and realized it was two o'clock and just made a mistake all right not smart i better not be late when i'm on uh tim and friends tomorrow yeah you've got two two segments with them coming tomorrow yeah so it's floating um right now we don't know we have a potential guest i'm not going to say who it is just in case they can't but uh right now unless something very major breaks i'm supposed to do two blocks with tim i don't know which blocks so uh follow my twitter and I'll let you know that's fun yeah I think it'll be very fun I've never never been on with Tim only Sid yeah because every time Tim's been away you've been the fill-in for Tim yeah once on a

football heavy day with no football knowledge smart good move that was good good move to be on that one and last time the one and only time I was on Tim and Sid there was an NHL trade and it was between it was uh chris weidman oh it's a huge deal guys chris weidman going from the sends to the oilers for what i'm pretty sure was a conditional pick wow so that means there's gonna be a trade damn well and and uh so so yesterday you actually tweeted at the beginning of the day you're like oh my spidey senses are tingling there's gonna be a trade today and i was like i looked at jesse i'm like how many times is he gonna say or tweet this like until i'm wrong you have to understand steve does say this in the group chat as well right it's not just

it's not just on twitter like you looked good yesterday with the palmieri thing but were you predicting any trade of any sort or a leafs trade yeah see i thought it was a leaf trade yeah i thought it was a leafs trade any and too many people were like big idiot and they're tweeting me this at like four i'm like ah yes there's never been a trade after four has it Yeah, but saying, oh, there might be a trade in the NHL isn't like, that's not a bold take, Steve. It's so bold. I think that's the point we're trying to get across.

So bold. You're not really going out on a limb saying that twice a week for the last 50 years. No, two limbs, Jesse. He went out on two limbs. I'm not going out on any limbs. I'm going out on my big galaxy brain and getting all kinds of things right.

Totally. Just getting all kinds of things right. Well, it was a big deal. and uh steve i guess we owe you an apologies and i and i tweeted at you i said i'm sorry okay you're right you're correct well adam i don't know what you have planned for today's show but how much time do you have allotted for the apology uh well this was it we're gonna go into the who were the crown right after this all right fair enough so i'm sorry palmieri his beard is gone we'll break down the trade a little bit later obviously got to talk about it is but jesse who who is

sponsoring the show today. Well, today's Who Wore the Crown is sponsored by Maverick. Maverick said, I just made a donation to the Sick Kids Foundation and I wrote up a little thing for the crown segment.

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to media arts good for you excellent all right well let's kick it off who wants to go anybody anybody i mean you kick it off adam all right well then it's going to be my boy jack campbell obviously 10 oh and oh tying an nhl record cementing himself in maple leaf's history with the with the all-time franchise record 10 wins in a row and by the way a little bit of a kind of an asterisk on that not an asterisk in a bad way but he also was like really hurt in between there right like he had a few wins to start the season and then got really hurt and then won after that is a pretty impressive thing and I think you know I stay up late just to watch the Jack Campbell interviews obviously all the the press that has come out about him Toronto Star had an article

at The Athletic had an article with James talking about his background. And, you know, then Sheldon Keefe saying yesterday that this guy deserves everything good that's coming to him. And we actually got a tweet today saying, you know, when do you think it'll be, you know, Campbell's time? When do you think the Leafs are just going to ride Campbell? And I'm like, I think we're here. I think we're all past here.

Yeah, this is the new starting goaltender for the Toronto Maple Leafs. And it was great to see Freddie Anderson even shoot out an Insta story and say, congratulations, Jack. And you see how excited Mitch Marner is for him. You see how excited Mostyn Matthews is for him. And you see how supportive he is of his teammates. It's amazing to see good things happen to good people. Jack Campbell, you get my crown today and every day.

I feel like Jack Campbell is becoming my James Reimer. And I didn't even realize it until last night, but I love this guy. Irrationally, I love him. I hope he's here forever. Are we going to talk about the starting goalie after this segment? because I don't think the Leafs believe that's the case, that they have a number one goalie right now. We'll get into it.

We'll get into it. Okay, good. Jesse, do you want next? No, you go ahead, Steve. Well, fellas, you're not going to believe it, but I'm going to go with Jack Campbell. It's extremely difficult to, I mean, apparently play 10 games as the Leafs backup.

in previous years it has been extremely difficult to play at all um but to get in there and do what he's done i think he's 13 2 and 1 now as he leave um granted 10 0 and 0 of that uh is this year but he's also just a story of perseverance like this is the first time we've really spoken about jack campbell being the starter realistically in his nhl career he was drafted 11 years ago he was drafted in 2010 11th overall by the dallas stars 11th overall um just but boy there were some let me tell you there were some misses in that damn draft there were it was oh my god okay so first second and third taylor hall tyler second eric and branson now very good Good Branson is not the first two, but he's played over 500 games.

You shut up. Ryan Johansson, he'd be much better were it not for the injuries. And you don't need a rider, though. There's another late broomer. Brett Connolly just traded today again on his, like, 19th NHL team. Jeff Skinner was going very, very, very good for a long time and then not. Alexander Bramistrov, a guy who was supposed to be something and not so much. Dylan McElrath, who remembers that?

Do not remember. Rangers picked him 10th overall, and everyone was like, what? Because he was supposed to go late second round. And then Jack Campbell, followed by Cam Fowler. Now, Jack Campbell, when I was introduced to him, it was the round-robin game, Canada versus the States at the World Juniors in Saskatoon. And I happened to be sitting behind a scout, and I go,

who's in net for the States right now? Because he made a couple really good saves. I think he ended up getting pulled in that game, but every goalie got pulled in every Canada-USA game back then. It was ridiculous. It happened in the gold medal game, too. I'm pretty sure all four goalies got in. But I go, who's this kid?

And the scout just turns around and he goes, this kid? Oh, he's got ice in his veins. And now, 11 years later, we know it's closer to gummy bears in his veins. Like, just that good of a guy. Sprinkles. but to to see him finally um get his moment to shine um after high expectations i'm sure people calling him a bust this is why you never draft a goalie in the first round it's opportunity and he's getting his with the leafs right now and he's making the most of it one one day jesse before you

get going here one day somebody's going to do an article on the fact that there are very few goaltenders in the nhl currently drafted after i believe the year 2014 there's the first round or no just in general like i don't think there are a lot of goalies like name a lot name any starter besides carter hart that's like are there a lot of starters in the nhl that weren't drafted like five six seven years ago do you know what i mean it's like every goalie is 26 or older it feels like that anyway and i could be wrong i know i think i know what you're trying to say i think what I would I would I would edit what you're saying and it's the first rounders they're almost never really and like Malcolm Subban was like the most recent one it's like all right no you know

what we're gonna do it we're actually gonna risk it and there's another one I don't remember if Carter Hart was a first rounder I think Spencer Knight was who just joined the Florida Panthers and like these days you see a goalie draft in the first round because goalies have had such a hard time uh succeeding and actually getting past those expectations nowadays when a goalie gets drafted in the first round everyone's like wait till you get a load of this guy like i remember the hype around john gibson for his draft and it was like yeah we really like him and we think he's going to be good but there's something about attaching the one little s little t to his name yep something about attaching first after it's funny because after the draft happens really

your chances are about the same as every other person who got drafted right now there's a bit of a sure i mean sure each team is going to push their firsts a little bit harder and try to give them the support that they need but when you think about it just get drafted and take care of the rest of it afterwards you know what i mean i do agree with that like that's all the player can do and carter hart even by the way was 48th overall second round so like it just goes to show and people are like wait till you get a load of this kid he's gonna be the biggest thing since bye bye bye and i think he's just having a bad run right now he's still gonna be great i mean you don't just forget how to be a goalie overnight um but the hype around him was so big and he almost didn't

even go in the top 50 you know what i mean so sometimes uh sometimes that first can work against you though and i think it worked against jack campbell uh a little bit but now look at him look at him now jesse go ahead uh gibson by the way was 39th overall round two yes i know with the leafs draft pick that they gave to anaheim great pick by them sometimes you know when you go and you see an artist play or a band you just you want to hear the hits you don't want to hear any of the new music so i think for today i have to give a shout out to william nylander because taveras galchenyuk mikhayev just isn't the same as uh nylander on taveras as well i thought they were fine you're a bully they were they were okay they were okay but you you noticed a difference

without him out there you know you miss him on the power play you miss him on taveras's wing and i just want to shout out william nylander who was out because of contact tracing yesterday a little shout out give him my crown today because we missed him in the lineup it's not the same when your lower six gotta move up and help fill the top six it's a good point i mean people were talking this morning as though it was some sort of disastrous second line i i didn't see that at all i i thought they were strong i mean it's it's about the caliber of winger tavaris got used to playing with in on the island like it's not any different than the guys that he you know got major contracts for akpozo and molson and those guys like i don't see a huge difference i think maybe

galch doesn't have the history but if galch keeps playing the way he's playing he's a top six guy in the league I think so with Nylander and Tavares Gauch is the workhorse right like he's he's got to be the guy to go and dig and everything and last night we saw a man possessed that's one of the best offensive performances from a guy who didn't end up scoring um this season and we saw how quickly he adjusted to the new role because Mikheyev wasn't okay you're Nylander now no he was the the guy who dug and it led to the goal the first goal like it's not an insult against him but boy there's a player there in gal chaniuk that man i was wrong i had no idea no idea he had this left yeah well it's pretty great and uh happy that leafs have a little bit of found money that

is who were the crown jesse you want to read that out again one more time yeah i'll read this from maverick he said uh to do this episode of the sdp is brought to you by maverick a ryerson student 2020 graduate majoring in sport media if you're looking for a new employee at your media company why not why not reach out to maverick sleep so his last name sleep that's an awesome name that is good i like that what do his friends call him z's mavs i think if your name is maverick you gotta you want to be called maverick right maverick that's already a nickname i don't know who's gonna defeat the pillow guy but i'm pretty sure it's him the pillow guy what's that the my pillow guy oh god who randomly yeah he's losing

his mind eh like he's losing his mind losing you can't lose something you never had i guess um hey you want to know uh just to put a bow on this jack campbell uh the first trade out of dallas he was traded for nick ebert so nick ebert like straight up one for one nick ebert was a seventh round pick in 2012 211th overall so almost last overall and dallas by the looks of it only had him in the ahl for 68 games one year that's what jack campbell was given up with or given up for wow here you go like he was he was nothing to the dallas stars well let me ask you this because i'm just going through nhl.com stats right now how many goalies drafted at uh on or after the year 2015 have played over 20 games this year can't be a lot can't matt murray i think and um

what was what were your parameters there on or after the draft in 2015 which by the way is six years ago yo memory was drafted in 2012 yeah so here's the names are you ready that happened you guys want the names yes there are three carter hart mckenzie blackwood and dallas's goalie jake ottinger is that who made his nhl debut this year i want to say he might have played last year he's played 20 games been pretty good guys that's what i was trying to say earlier is that like there aren't a lot of goalies here um and then if you go the year before uh you got thatcher demko you guys just stirkin uh and then uh i can never say his name vitek vanasek is that is that how i think vanasek yeah those are all drafted goalies there's been three over the last

six years that are playing 20 games or more this year okay wow wow really i'm saying there aren't a lot of starters that are like there are not a lot of like regular starters in the nhl and i'm talking about 20 plus games at this point and then the year before 2013 you got yari tristan jari uc soros and calvin peterson um yeah cal peterson's doing done well in la and then ilya samsonov like has he been injured how and how's this for a how's this for a draft 896 never mind you have in 2012 hellebuck vasilevsky corpus allo anderson marie allmark drider and suban but uh if you count matt marie anderson corpus alovasilevsky and hellebuck are the only ones that have played over 20 games now maybe that's a random uh a random thing but

it just goes to show that like and after you get to 2017 if you look this up on nhl.com there are like no starters like nobody's played a game now i know it's a shortened season but there is a startling lack of new starting goalie talent in the nhl when you look at things like that i think it's just that goalies are really good so the good ones stick around and there's only uh next year there's gonna be oh god 32 times two not a smart man 64 jobs but steve three people in six years oh no it's alarming to me i'm surprised i'm surprised it's that low i'm just i'm just trying to say like it's it's uh it's tough to get a job man like i would expect three people a year you know what i mean because your your average your average goal is going to

last you know in in all honesty the average nhl career is going to be like less than 100 games especially for a goalie way less and so if you guys think the the development curve for goalies just a lot longer as well like you let them way longer you let them have time in the minors like it's like a five-year development so you gotta yeah you gotta give the goalies time yeah it's is why hextall basically got canned over the handling of carter hart right because right because they wanted him to start right yeah he didn't as a goalie like it wouldn't push it it's a little funny that they didn't trust the goalie's judgment there well they did make the playoffs last year and did well they did but now we're seeing but it looks like he was right that's

right now carter hart they've they've sent him to go do more development like they kept him around just had him practicing for that exact reason development and then so it just seems like hey stick with this timeline of hey if you're a goalie you can't come in and affect the league at the age of 2021 you're not like a centerman who could just hop in the league you know you're gonna need five six years in the minors right yeah i mean you look at jordan jordan binnington too right like there's a guy that you know was drafted in 2011 and would have gone to the echl had he not refused assignment yeah crazy and the guy who tried to send him there was martin broder that's funny how do you tell martin broder no yeah i don't know i don't know how you do that

hey i'm sure one of the best goalies of all time shove it and then he was right yeah it's anyways very very interesting i i don't know maybe that's maybe that's normal maybe it's only like a goalie a year but as steve said it's 64 jobs um i guess a lot of these guys can be undrafted or free agent signings which is why like we talk about we have talked about this in the past about like the lack of quote-unquote depth at the goaltender position with the Leafs but it seems like it's one of those things where the Leafs are playing the odds with what players they can develop into great players meaning the Leafs know how to develop skilled young forwards they know how to do that it's a factory you look at what's happened in the last five years

it's just person after person after person and I would count anybody from like Connor Brown and Andreas Janssen, Kasperi Kapanen, Zach Hyman, William Nylander, like guys that, I mean, obviously. The amount of guys who are no longer here. Yes, yes, 100%. Like a factory for their own team and the rest of the league. And this year, Vancouver. And Vancouver.

And Vancouver. I mean, you could count Josh Lebo in that, too. There's lots of guys that are, you know. So maybe the Leafs are looking at it like, listen, this is our best chance to find value. We'll get these young, skilled guys, and hopefully we can trade them for some value back, and maybe that's where your goaltender comes from but you know i mean what did freddie cost him sam

steel which was the first round he was like a first and a second it was sam steel and uh was it maxim comtois was it yeah he's been playing great this year yeah yeah and uh steve i think you said it like i don't know two years ago or something you're you were saying how what are what are the pieces for like you draft and develop these guys and then now you got to ship them away to get pieces back you know so i think like the least gotta use these guys and use all this extra forward depth they have to get the other things they need well and and i think of the guys where i was like no like i don't want to let go of them like for like some of the guys uh who we were wrong about like i was like no don't let go of brendan leipzig whoops um so so that one was wrong spent a

little bit too much time on that but even like letting go of trevor moore like who is a great player really like him kings fans like him he's doing a good job there look what i got you carl grunstrom oh no you get jake muzzin you know and i still you know sean dersey got called up to the kings and and i don't know if he's played there yet and i go oh that's the muzzin deal oh it's the muzzin deal and now he's going to be a leaf for by the time it's all said and done six years all right you have jake muzzin like you did this guy and then you moved out the pieces and you got jake muzzin yeah you have a guy that might become jake muzzin and then you have actual jake muzzin who turned into jake muzzin before you got him yeah exactly what are you doing all this for

yeah yeah so maybe i mean and then maybe that's the the strategy they've adopted obviously they've got guys in the minors and they're doing okay um i don't know if any anybody has pegged any of the leaf skies is it uh wool or who else they have it's uh ian scott um archer akim akimov in uh russia uh anthony bovillier i'm not sure where he's playing right now i think he was in the queue and i think is anybody no no zachary zachary yeah it's not anthony it's zachary i'm maybe did i just combine like antoine bibo and i might have yeah zachary bovillier i think is his name and um i think they have one other guy and i forget his name i'm gonna look him up you know who i'm talking about though right i nailed it so there's an anthony bevillier which

is not the one you were talking about i don't believe oh anthony bevillier is in the islanders i'm yeah yeah sorry sorry we got who do we get what are we talking about here i'm trying to figure it out leave scoley depth my man no it's zachary it is zach okay that's what i thought all right so but the question becomes like are any of those guys pegged to be starters and if they're not does it matter well it's I mean goalies are voodoo like I know it's a it's a lazy it's a lazy mantra and it's not always true but like you know we're for example just brought up Malcolm Subban and we're like ah well you know first rounders like he could become a starter tomorrow like that's just how goalies work and he's played a few games where i'm like how isn't

this guy a starter remember last year that overtime game against vegas went where we actually saw surrounded by people imagine that that was weird and like a guy like suban every minor league team he's been on he's been unbelievable like he even even when he was coming up with uh when he was in the boston organization when he was playing for the providence bruins he was he was he had like a 920 save percentage but then they brought him to the nhl for like a game or two and it didn't work out and then he goes to vegas and it's not working out but then they send him back down the hl and he's good all of a sudden so tj brennan right you never know about goalies no and and i feel like goalies are the sort of thing you you can look i feel like you can look at a player

stats like a forward stats and extrapolate some things from that um in junior um for a goalie because junior is so cyclical in who the good teams are and who the bad teams are age plays such a huge factor you know if you're a 20 year old you probably you you might have absolutely no nhl future but you're the king of that league yeah and if you're a 16 year old yeah you could have the best future out of anybody but you're a bum you know unless your uh name is bedard uh apparently connor bedard what a monster in the whl he just got he got the exception right the special exception yeah high skill or whatever it's called and he's bullying kids five years older than him like it's i've never seen anything like it it's absolutely ridiculous um but goalies

i feel like you have to watch um because like garrett sparks i want to say got drafted on a shitty team um and he did okay and i and i remember looking at like going why why did they pick this player above anybody else and i looked at the guelph storm who he was on and i'm like oh he's basically got the keys to the car though so they obviously saw something they liked in him and then next year he's going to play a shitload of games for guelph and then he did and he was really good so it's it's a lot of circumstance i i think that's true for all players um but like goalies goalies especially if there's nowhere for you to play where are you supposed to play right and i have the car i have no idea again if anybody's ever done like a deep stat dive into how

much uh the defense affects the goalie like what caliber of defense do you uh does it start affecting your goaltending in terms of like if it's so good is how many percentages is safe percentage raised or even the system that the team is playing like in terms of what system is team playing are you dropping a goaltender safe percentage are you raising it because you want to allow more shots because you want to limit shot attempts like all that stuff plays such a factor in goaltending so it's not even just like circumstance of your players the circumstance of the team and overall and that's why goaltending just seems to be voodoo and you never know well i it's like if you're an islanders goalie like you probably you have some sort of advantage

just because of how they play i mean yeah i'm sure that exists and i'm sure if actually skater which to really throw it back i'm sure if it still existed too we'd be able to track that publicly wouldn't we like sport logic would have that and yeah you have to think that they would that they would know something about that right but uh uh and you see like a guy like brayden Holpe I don't know how much of Brayden Holpe's decline had to do with Brayden Holpe and how much of it had to do with the fact that maybe the Caps defense wasn't as good anymore without Barry Trotz you know as soon as Barry Trotz leaves Brayden Holpe's not a good not an elite goalie anymore all of a sudden what happened well and you know the the Leafs with their guys go to the Islanders

and etc etc I was there's a guy whose story I still I need to get back in touch with this guy I was too young when I spoke to him, and I wasn't as good at storytelling. But this guy was drafted in the third round by the Kings in 1992. His name is Sandy Allen, and I want to say he grew up kind of in the neighborhood that we did, Adam, but he's much older. Oh, he grew up in our neighborhood, but it says he's from Nassau in the Bahamas. Okay. I did not know that, but anyway.

So he was part of the Kings organization, but they were really good Cause you'll remember they were, you know, going to the Stanley cup final and they had Gretzky and everything. And he was telling me like, Oh yeah, I went to training camp with Gretzky and they just don't have an opportunity for him. So he gets traded. I want to say it was to the, it was either the Montreal or the Hartford organization. And you know, he's, you know, he's going to challenge for the backup job,

but they got this kid who he's, he's never really heard much of, but he looks pretty good. And that kid ends up being JS Jaguar. and so like what are you gonna do and he ends up playing most of his career in the echl and it ends because they were on a road trip um and him and his teammates were playing football at the hotel they were at and they weren't on the first floor they weren't on the ground level of the hotel and he catches a football that was thrown his way and he actually fell off the hotel balcony oh my god yeah it's a it's a wild story i gotta i gotta i gotta get a hold of him again um that was but that part was an aside i think the reason i started telling that story was uh yeah it's

difficult to get an opportunity there kids steve why did why did you bring up that story i don't know because i don't have a good brain i literally don't i want to know where sandy allen went to high school that's what i i mean probably mullet like i don't know i don't know i don't have a good brain guys that's why i brought it up i'm sorry hey we can delete it if you want no i think we're gonna leave it in there you ever play for the pd pride guys pd pride i'm sweating right now adam what are your takeaways from sandy allen's career i mean it sounds it sounds like that was a pretty tough story that ends and my favorite part about this that remains unanswered is steve feels like he was unqualified

or at least not experienced enough to tell the story properly so yeah how the story was in fact told like who was it told why it was fucking years ago so i don't remember i thought i was good at it no i guess not who did you tell it for who'd you do it for i'm no i'm pulling the chute i'm bailing oh he played with manny legacy we all have that we've all had that okay it's all just on his echl i'm just on his hockey dv right now he played with manny legacy that's good oh dwayne rollison can we title the episode sandy allen all right let's move on to the goaltender discussion at large uh again basing it off the tweet that i got uh and somebody and i i'm sorry i don't have your name on on file but

basically they they said hey what time when do you think the leafs are going to ride jack campbell all the way through the next season and i my response to him was i think you're looking at it it's already started and jesse you don't seem to think that that's necessarily the case i'm a believer in sport that you don't lose your uh role to injury so i i think when when If Frederick Anderson comes back and he's fully healthy, he's going to get a shot. It might be one game. It might be two games.

It might be a handful of just back and forth. But he's going to get a shot. And I think Sheldon Keefe believes that because he hasn't said anything to the contrary. He said he's going to be back before the end of the season, sometime after the trade deadline. But Frederick Anderson is going to be back in the regular season and he's going to get a shot because it's still his job

until he loses it on the ice, is what I believe. So if he goes out and maybe first game back, terrible, four bad goals, something, then it could be gone. Then I say, Jack Campbell, hey, this is your net. But until that happens on the ice, I don't think off the ice, just because Campbell's playing the best hockey a goaltender can play ever, doesn't mean that Frederick Anders is still not the number one goalie until he loses it. Well, what's his job, though? You know what I mean? Like starting goalie.

So just guy who stops pucks for the Leafs. There's 16 games remaining, and he's not playing yet. So if he comes back, let's say, first game before the playoffs. Or, sorry, he comes back first game of the playoffs. No, that's actually not your job. And you do lose your job to injury. He's probably going to start one of those games. He's not coming back and not getting a shot.

right he probably shouldn't depending on the circumstance when it depends on when he comes back i would say now i wish we had any idea when that would be they said they said before the end so it's not going to be first game of the playoffs sheldon keep already said it's going to be before the end of the regular season right and if jack campbell that's a 16 game span like is that tomorrow sheldon no he said after the trade deadline and before the end of the race so somewhere in that it'll be in the last five games yeah is he the premier what is this vague bullshit well he can't you're asking a lot here's what i get vaccinated sheldon freddie's gonna go and get surgery this summer i'd almost put i put money on it we know that right freddie's gonna

go get surgery this summer whatever it is i don't know if it's a hip if it's a knee if it's a groin i don't know but he needs surgery very clearly allegedly maybe i'm just guessing but i'm just you know been around long enough to know seems like surgeries needed yeah almost every active nhl player could get surgery if they wanted right and and and actual fact you don't want to get surgery you want to rehab the injury because surgery is sort of a short-term fix it's not really that good for you you know what you you know what you'd like to do is what connor mcdavid did which is rehab the knee right back to where it was and like a mutant and then film a sports net special that's really good and like everybody gives you a bunch of attention thinks you're

awesome yeah and all the comments are mcdavid net piece of shit fire dangle uh should i get off should i jump off this show i feel like i should no man no god so i i god i'm the michael hutchinson of this trio right now and i'm not oh my god all right so but here's here's what i would say with jack campbell it's it's an interesting thing greg waschinski brought up a point in his espn article uh that i loved and it's at what point do we start considering jack campbell for vesna the guy is 10 0 and 0 with a 157 goals against average and a 944 save if he plays 10 of the next 16 games let's say and that's fair right like he might play more than that but if he just plays 10 that's 40 games or not 40 games that's 35 games of an nhl season something like that

Can a goalie that's played that little, quote unquote, that little, be eligible for something like that? What is the exact extrapolation to 82 games? I don't know. That's the answer for me. If it's not, if it's like 30 games, then it's not. Well, OK, so Robin Leonard and I want to say Ben Bishop a couple of years ago had ridiculous numbers, but they only played like half the season. And I want to say they played like it was something like 43 games each. so right around half barely over half campbell if he played every game for the rest of the season

could not even get to that he couldn't get to 50 of the leafs games he'd have to go 26 and 0 then yeah then yeah well i i said today i'm like okay let's say he goes 20 and 6 but he's not going to get the opportunity to do that but let's say um i think he'll certainly get many votes uh may even get nominated but i doubt it i doubt it very much it's just it's too rare of a circumstance and you talk about you know guys not wanting to vote for the leafs um because they don't want to be looked at as homers i mean you know how you can definitely get that perception is if you give the vesna to a guy who's played less than half of the games fair yeah that's fair I mean, I just thought it was an interesting thought, right?

You know, it's kind of a fun thing. Well, Adam, I mean, we talk about Jack Campbell being drafted forever ago, 2010. You know whose career began long before 2010? Greg Wyshynski. Generate those damn clicks, Wish. Generate those clicks. That is brilliant. That is brilliant.

You know, I wish I had a camera on him the moment that clicked. Oh, my God. jack campbell for ves click click click click click here you go bosses at espn no no no it's hockey i know you're new here um trust me they're gonna love it okay thanks bye steve yes you just said uh what if campbell goes 20 and 6 you know which is possible if you played every last game of the season sure right now if i'm a tampa bay lightning fan i'm listening to this podcast i'd pissed off because andre vasilevsky right now is 23 and 6 hilarious he also leads the league in safe percentage if you cut off uh games played so like campbell wouldn't be included in that

he has a 931 he's got three shutouts oh my god he's got a 2ga like vasilevsky's getting he's gonna get it that's the trophy so this is the hard conversation then we know the winner who's second and third right right yeah yeah yeah campbell could come in third maybe even if he gets if he gets top five that's cool give him a vote just throw him a fifth place vote who cares but like right going 20 and six vasilevsky's like hey i'm 23 and six so if campbell does if if campbell goes above expectations and plays every game for the rest of the season he still could not achieve the record that andre vasilevsky already has yes right but it's andre vasilevsky that's crazy that's crazy he's had a great season holy shit that's um that's the best goalie in the

league like easily like you know there's the there's the conversation who's winning the vesna and who's the best goalie in the league andre vasilevsky is both and that's very rare you know who's going to be the heart winner who's the best player in the league it's it's often a different conversation it's been conor mcdavid for a few years now but who's winning the heart andre vasilevsky is the best goaltender in the nhl by far also first round pick so there's a first round pick that panda very rare yeah very rare yeah and he's he's a guy who's he's been the chosen one for a long time like we're talking immediately after he was drafted um starter in the khl which is extremely difficult to do or or was like a tandem goalie in the khl the let me let

me look up askarov can we can we just go back to the campbell um no i'm hijacking the show okay askarov's played nine khl games he's in 951 that's very very stupid 11th overall can't wait for him to become a starter in 11 years sorry adam what so can we get back to the campbell thing for just a second here's what i think is gonna go down and here's the danger that sheldon key faces Because if Freddie Anderson comes back, and you have to give Freddie Anderson a couple of games, his first game back cannot be playoff game one. Otherwise, and if you're a Buffalo Bills fan, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. You'll risk a Rob Johnson-Doug Flutie situation where Doug Flutie takes you to the playoffs, but the ownership says, well, wait a second. We just spent $25 million signing Rob Johnson, and we're going to start him, and you lose because Doug Flutie was the quarterback of that team, and it should have been that way.

I also feel like, you know, when, with the Jays, and we mentioned this a couple of days ago with Mark Burley, um, you know, starting them when they probably shouldn't have. Um, I think in this particular instance, Sheldon Keefe risks one thing, and that is the magic beans that are Freddie Anderson. If Freddie Anderson is able to come and sit behind the bench and he's healthy ish, just enough to sit there. You still have Freddie Anderson hanging over the other team. Like, oh, if we chase Jack Campbell, Freddie Anderson's going to be there. But if Freddie Anderson comes in for one or two games and he sucks, then the other team knows Freddie Anderson sucks.

So all we have to do is get in on Jack Campbell. And you put that in front of a team like, I don't know, the Boston Bruins. Start a little run here, a little run there. Then all of a sudden you've got the Leafs' weak point because it's not their defense this year. Montreal, I was just watching them in the final few minutes there. I'm like, boy, this team likes to crash the net. They sure do.

And that's how they got both goals. I mean, Corey Perry was a defensive break, the first one. But add Gallagher to the mix, because remember, they didn't have Gallagher last night. And whoever they add, because those liars are going to add, shut up, Montreal. Corey Perry was on a mission last night. Sure was. You look great for 82 years old. I'm pretty sure Corey Perry, it was going to be Corey Perry or Wayne Simmons.

And I think the Leafs went with Wayne Simmons. I'm pretty sure that's what happened and uh in fact I've heard that's what happened and so I think Corey Perry was out to prove like hey you made a mistake which good for him yeah could be that I don't remember how many games he's played against the Leafs this season if any I feel like he wasn't in the first maybe couple um yeah it's I don't know it's a fun debate it but I tell you what Perry looked a lot like the Perry that we saw in the bubble against out or not against Dallas with dallas um just a old former mvp who can just turn it on for spurts whenever he's all right yeah yeah and like i'm not relying on cory perry for the first 57 minutes of the game

like i know he scored one in the first 57 minutes but you can't lean on the guy you can't his body can't do it um but it's three minutes to go we're gonna lose if you don't score yeah he can he can pop the popeye spinach and get in there and maybe get you one like he's it's what was it his knee he wasn't exactly known for his knees i know you need him but that dude was known for his elbows just to your point adam i think that's the best case scenario for the leafs is just hey campbell and anderson are really rolling and we have both of them and it's uh like a matt murray um marc-andre flurry situation where you just got two goalies for a copper on and you're like what just too many riches this is awesome that would be great of eagle you know can can you guys help

me out here because here's what i'm trying to figure out because there are still freddie anderson trade rumors which i think is probably part of the reason why the Leafs are so coy about this wonder what scenario would it make sense to trade freddie anderson i'm not seeing this year yeah oh you gotta go well he's not gonna be back next year yeah no you're not trading him if you get a goalie back in the trade yeah but right but why is the team acquiring him then acquiring him because if the leafs get a goalie it's because they don't think freddie anderson's healthy if freddie is healthy and they trade for a goalie they're just saying he sucks which i don't think they believe i don't think they do

either i don't think i don't think i would believe i don't think he does i don't think it's the truth no i don't think that i i think if you if you have to move freddie anderson you're moving his salary and you don't think he's gonna play you're moving it it's to make money work and you don't think freddie's gonna play and the team who's trading for him is trading for the other piece that comes with freddie and freddie is just the cap that's coming with it hey guys what about this what about this don't read it hearing that the Toronto Maple Leafs are working on a deal with the Buffalo Sabres headed to the Leafs from Buffalo would be Taylor Hall and Linus Allmark Toronto would include Freddie Anderson Rasmus Sandin Nick Robertson and a prospect this is subject to change

I'd burn every leaf out of my own by the way aren't Sandin and Robertson prospects like I don't what other prospects that's all the prospects wait wait wait wait wait wait sorry read it again okay all right all right i missed this this is a little unfair way you said what i think it's it's from a made-up twitter account yeah like it's just i know that hearing that the toronto maple leafs are working on a deal with the buffalo savers headed to the leafs from buffalo would be taylor hall and lenis allmark toronto uh names involved include freddie anderson rasmus sandy nick robertson and a prospect this is subject to changes and guys try harder fuck right well yo that's horrible this account uh has 20 to 2 000 followers man because people

want to believe the puck authority.com there you go there's their shout out oh i mean they have a podcast and everything listen they might have heard it no totally it doesn't there's no way that makes actual sense no no no i wouldn't give up one of robertson or sandy and for either of those players i wouldn't either get out of my face yeah no but like we're dismissing it and then we're not accounting for the fact that they are the authority so they must know if they're the authority it could have been puck authority but they're the puck authority like we're the steve dangle podcast you know i'm the tpa the tpa t tpa i don't like her name anyway listen i don't want to rip these guys but it's sort of like come on guys are you i do it's

terrible a lot of people wanted us to bring back smart insider man to talk about chief among them we haven't activated smart insider man since i think 2018 and i think it might be time do you remember the password i mean what what i haven't spoken to him in many a moon that account still has about 5 000 followers no way we have double the puck authority sorry on smart who's we i don't know what you're talking about smart insider man you know it's been years since we've heard the truth i'm gonna i'm gonna look up the password for him a lot of people don't know smart insider man we're gonna have to include that in the link uh because that is one of the best best funniest things steve's ever come up with i love smart inside you died laughing at

and jesse did not react to okay it was okay i would watch the video back to adam is having an asthma attack and jesse is just like i think that was that was the height of the hockey man era you know what i mean like the the height of the the still like kind of high on our own farts era of of insider stuff and and it was a little it was just it was so fitting because everybody's like well it's a good hockey man what the hell does that mean um and i i think that's why it got me it was so funny because it was just like it there was this group of people men who were like we're men and not only we men were hockey men you imagine putting that on your bumble profile i'm a hockey man it was

that era to the the insider guys it wasn't like commodified to like three right now it's like five guys totally yeah like where you're like this is legit information at that point there was like like 15 guys were like any of these guys could break this trade right now there's like 10 at sports net and 10 at uh tsn and ben then all these extra guys on the peripheral who like oh i heard a thing or two and then you have the guys who are just kind of trying to get in on it made me like yeah i'm a hockey guy and rumors are saying and it was still believable that a guy with a random twitter account could could break something and i think the only credibility that would have ever had is the brett lebda trade right steve yes i'm glad you brought that up it's so there was

evidence that it could happen yeah just once just once the puck authority listen this is how it works if you're right we got to apologize so there was someone who was basically kicked off of like hf ports because they're like oh yeah i heard brett lebda is going to sign with the leafs everyone's like shut up that doesn't make any sense why would it and like two weeks later it happened oh sorry sorry sorry guys sorry sorry all right which i hope you get your account back sorry and then brett labner was great boy that guy had as bad a tenure you talk about a bad start just dictating the rest of your entire career basically because i remember he couldn't get in he trended when they signed him because people were making fun of him well there was that well

we automatically the Leafs were so bad we're like we got a defenseman from Detroit he's automatically in our top three and uh so they got him and I want to say he missed the first few games of the season because he was injured and then he gets into his first game and he ends up scoring the game-winning goal on himself because he like whacked it into the his own net somehow then there was the nine three minus three game against atlanta oh brett led to did not have a good time in toronto no sir not fun i wonder if you could ever do a documentary on players that came to the leafs fucking hated it and still hate the leafs i'm sure i'm sure there's a lot i'm sure there's a lot i haven't spoken to him about it but i know

christopher steig um had a bad time and he wasn't here very long i'm sure everyone heard the rumor about his car did that happen i i assume it did i don't know yeah people are people are assholes though yeah well especially in that era too where they were just the Leafs were bad the fans were mean it was ugly it was an ugly era well and they were mean back to the fans yeah like saluting and all that shit and yeah it's like buddy don't chirp me you suck and like i always say you stink go win a game the fans are going to be a lot around a lot longer than the players are right oh yeah now i'm still going to be here you're not so you know while you're here you're in my house and i think sometimes you sort of forget that it's like it is the game belongs to

the fans it does well and they hadn't seen for a long time like no player had seen for a long time the benefits of being good in toronto right and uh 2013 they were only good for a hot minute and then it was disastrous and now even if the leafs were to fall off like yeah there's gonna be some wrath obviously there's always the possibility of wrath but you'll understand like dude i'm gonna get on the i'm gonna be the team's 13th forward and i'm gonna get a deal with a major north american company i'm gonna be elia mckay of have a decent first game literally say the word soup and get a deal with campbell's you know what i mean that now everyone sees the benefit freddie goche was in a national commercial for all of last year that shouldn't happen who allowed

that to happen mitch marner mitch marner's on my way home every day uh he's he's stapled to a fence in my neighborhood and it's he's wearing like a green hockey jersey and it's some sort of real estate thing and he's like i've seen those around town too i if i was a real estate company like mitch marner all right it doesn't matter i guess it doesn't matter any leafs fan that got your attention yeah zach hyman's got a deal connor brown had a deal everyone's got a deal i wonder if they did that commercial with apple for goodness sakes yeah marner and matthews like You can't get bigger than that. Richard Kloon has a movie.

Yeah, it's true. The dude made a movie. I wonder if in your doc, Adam, about Leafs players who came here and hated Toronto and then left, I wonder if a guy like Tyson Barry would make it. He seems like a nice guy. He does.

But you come here for half a season, a full season-ish, and then it's not a fun time, and then you leave. And then imagine what all the Leafs fans who are angry and don't like Tyson Barry are saying. I'm sure Tyson Barry told the fans to fuck off in his in his quieter moments, for sure. You know, and and deservedly so. He was very good as soon as the worst, the worst handling coach ever.

I can't believe what Mike Babcock did to that. You look at look at the you got to look at the Leafs record since Keefe took over their third best in the league. I'm surprised it's only third. it's crazy and and like and so you know like i i feel like tyson berry unfortunately gets caught with and i was i was tough on tyson berry too he drove me nuts a lot of well a lot of like slap shots from the point that really didn't need to happen and he was a liability he wasn't what they needed what they needed was tj brody but nazim khadri didn't want to go to calgary so they got they settled for tyson berry and alex are we allowed to be mad at naz for that yes

because like brody's really good you got traded you stopped the trade that would have helped the franchise and you got traded anyway right and you stopped the franchise from advancing two years in a row because you were goof on the on the ice it was not there were some listen do i think nas deserved to be suspended for the rest of the series after what happened in that second one no but you can't put yourself in that position either you did he did it to himself he needed to get traded we all knew it it sucked but we knew it this this i it was i think it was the second suspension on cadre um was it the cross check to the face basically of jake de brusque and i want to say it happened it's happened a couple times this year and it's been like a fine

or a one game suspension and an army of lee fans we're like yeah you can't you can't one of our most important players out of a playoff series for that yes even and you gave him nothing remember last night when Corey Perry came at Matthews and Matthews got his stick up and he hit Corey Perry in the face with his stick this way. That's the same play without force that Naz had on DeBrusque. It's a bit more

force. It's a stick to the face. The intention was there by Naz. The intention's not there by Matthews. But that's just a two-minute minor. Doing that with force isn't the equivalent to friggin' six games. And coming at that from a different argument,

game management has been a hot topic this year uh tell you what go back and watch game two from 2019 and you shove game management up your ass what do you mean game management you know how many guys should have been kicked out of that game how many penalties should have been called to prevent that escalation memory you gotta context that for us though buddy i didn't know where you were going with the bruins ran around all night unchecked yes completely unchecked the game was nothing like the first one nothing they and oh never mind it's just going to be full diaper 2.0 no but they nauseous in that series you know they win you know they 100 they win 100 they win maybe

five or six i think they win five or maybe yeah well they win they won five without him yeah they would have been the better team with them maybe i also think maybe i think mike i think bruce cassidy two years in a row out coached mike babcock i agree like danced on him What about game five, Adam? What about a tight game of five? Best players, 17 minutes. What about a tight game five? The sort of game that the Leafs play two or three times a week now.

Fuck. I'll never get over that. Never get over that. God, the amount of stuff I've been wrong on, duly noted. But they should have fired him the moment they lost that series. You are correct. However, knowing how, and Jesse and I, I still stick to our point, Jesse. they had to let him they had to let him you're right in hindsight but in the moment adam and i

were right so i like the beginning of the sentence better than the end all right now let's talk about this palmieri zajak trade um okay i know it's good for new jersey because there's a first round pick i know it's good for the islanders because lou lamorello has been trying to reacquire zajak since he left new jersey like zajak a couple of times almost came to Toronto. Uh, the contract was a bit of a sticking point. It was a big fat contract. And honestly, I think it would have been an anvil around the, the Leafs neck. Um, however, however, uh, still think he's a valuable addition to the Islander staff. And you know, both of those guys are on expiring deals. Paul Meary's the big one though. Cause

he's going to slot in for Anders Lee. The Islanders benefit is obvious. What is the benefit for New Jersey here? I don't know these players as well. And I know the first round pick, but here's the thing with the first round pick this year it's kind of a we don't know it's a mad it's more of a magic beans first round than we've ever seen before so what do we think about this so aj greer because i saw his name and i was like i'm trying to remember where i know that name from so he basically has not gotten into the islanders lineup that's a confusing one i'm not really sure why he was good enough for the abs apparently um played most of his time in the ahl but he was good there too so maybe he just needs um he just needs an opportunity and if there's

anything the new jersey devils can provide this young man it's an opportunity on account of uh they're not very good who else was in the deal there adam is aj greer and who it's a second rounder from 2015 and it's uh let me pull it up pull it up yeah there's the second rounder um and then we've got uh let me just pull up the article my guts wait sorry before you holy shit okay so yeah he was good in the ahl last year in 10 games this year he has one goal one assist for two points eight penalty minutes and was in 10 games he minus 12 what the frig happened in those 10 games and and what about me shit and it's mason i think it's Jost is how you'd spell it, but it's J-O-B-S-T.

What happened in those 10 games? Okay, anyway, I guess Bridgeport's not doing very good. And Jopst, you said? Yeah. That's how I'm going to spell it? Mason Jopst? So, undrafted, 27. Oh, boy.

Sure just looks like a guy to me based on his pictures. Very nice. He has a nice smile. So, I don't think he's going to do much at the NHL level, but you never know you got for two expiring veterans a first round pick uh and i think aj greer could be a thing and no and adam you don't have to pay zajak or palmieri for the rest of the season which is a big deal which this year is a big deal like cj i do want to say new jersey is retained on both they retained 50 on both you still save some yeah what i took away from this

trade is that it's a buyer's market. If you want to go out and get a guy for a half playoff run or whatever you think it's going to be, now this is the season where you just go for it, because why not? It's not going to cost you anything. Why not?

It's not going to cost you anything. It's not like a regular trade deadline where you're overpaying by a bajillion players. You should just go out and make the mistake and go get the guy, because it's just going to be free. Yeah. On on the walk that i took that made me late for the show i was listening to uh our boy cj on 31

thoughts it was more like headlines the podcast and you talked about a couple things one so saving money is a big deal even if you retain so taylor hall is making something like i think he said 70 grand a week or a day or something like that that's a big deal it's a big deal for anybody right even though terry pagula it was announced today he went from five billion dollars to 5.4 or something like that in terms of so yeah they're losing money somehow the pagulas and yet their their net worth is like 400 million more or something like that money's fake it is fake there's one thing the last year has convinced me of it's fake um so there's there's that with taylor hall the other thing with taylor hall as long as we're talking about the buyer's market

is hey if all you can get is for example a second or third do you want that attached to your resume that you were the guy who traded taylor hall for a third round pick buddy if you don't get anything for taylor hall what the hell did you have him for what did you have him for wait the only defense of the signing was it was a pick harvest i think steve you've got to send a message to the rest of the league that the buffalo those sabers will not be ripped off in a trade we will do something objectively stupid to what like what are men like what is with pride trade him for if all you can get on the day is a seventh for god's sake you get a seventh okay maybe draw the line there maybe that's a little

too far back but you have to recoup something for taylor hall or it's a failure do you want to be the guy who lost him for nothing i mean that could be attached to your name too what the i don't understand i don't understand the pride there i'm sure they're gonna trade remember it's gamesmanship and they have no cards like the buffalo sabers are going to this trade deadline with no cards everybody knows they need to sell everybody knows they have players to sell and everybody knows that there aren't a lot of buyers well what cards do they have here's their card you want taylor hall okay there's one of them um that's it he's ours so no adam i know it's not a lot but it's something okay steve so you

you say that and i'm i'm gmx i have a cool name gmx uh and i'm calling you and i want so hi gmx I would like a Taylor hall. Cool. It's a first. Uh, I don't think so. All right. What's your alternative? Uh, it's going to be a second and a middling prospect and you're going to retain 50%. Well, if we're going to retain 50%, I tell you what, it's definitely not going to be a middling prospect. You're going to give me one of your top five. I'm not actually, I'm not because we're talking about a, uh, a player that isn't going to resign with you guys next year. Anyway, I know you need to offload them so i'm gonna give you a body so it looks good for you and i'm gonna give you a second round pick well which is pretty solid you know what you bring up some good points and

i'm so rude i didn't ask for your name at the beginning of this call what's your name gmx gmx go fuck yourself click all right well and then what i would say to that is okay then go sign go re-sign taylor hall then it's not gonna make you can't say that i've already hung up the phone the sabers are not going to get better even if they re-sign him this is the problem no no no no so this is the thing he's not going to re-sign there they can't re-sign him and they're not going to get better they have to move him and so you're right steve with the pride angle but if you're another gm and obviously i wouldn't you know if another gm was not going to play it that hard you're obviously going to be respectful and cordial but i definitely think you got to say

listen kevin here are the cards man what do i gotta do what i would say to kevin kevin adams is what do we got to do to make you look good to ownership here that's a lot nicer than how you just talked to me well i know i'm doing it for entertainment uh but you know what i would say is like what do you need what do you need and let's work back from that we'd really like to make this work i want you to you know i'm not trying to to fleece you here but you understand in the position that you're in you're not going to make the playoffs you're not going to resign the player what do we need to do to make this work and it will not include a top prospect the other thing the other thing you're missing from this conversation though is gmx i mean there

will also be gmy and gmz and maybe abc no it's taylor hall there's no maybe it's it's taylor hall eric stall you might only get xyz right and i mean there's no illusion that there's going to be a first rounder for eric stall might be good for a chuckle i'm sure i'm sure that was a very ah ah so anyway kevin what what do you actually how do we uh it cost montreal like nothing to get it was wasn't it a third and a fifth like it was nothing yeah no that's pretty bad now the one the one thing i will say is kevin adams didn't exactly set himself up for her awesome success this year i think what would be good for him i don't think he's going to get the first so i should say that um but he shouldn't settle for nothing this year i think uh an abundance of picks is what you're

after so um a second and a third second and a third um first and a third now we're talking like a second and a third we're talking um i try to it's taylor hall and you're getting him for playoff success i try to staple some uh conditional picks to that because you're talking about future future picks that don't make who cares if i've won the stanley cup i'm gonna be too drunk to care that it's it's the anaheim rule i'm going to be too drunk off of champagne to care that i just gave up a first round pick that's going to end up being jordan eberly someday would you give up jordan eberly if it meant winning the stanley cup yes who gives a shit like i don't care how good this pick is i won the cup the uh dallas stars traded jerome aginla jerome actual freaking

aginla for joe newendyke they won the stanley cup i would give up a hockey hall of fame player to win the stanley cup i don't i don't care i want to win the stanley cup ideally i keep the hockey hall of fame player and win more than one stanley cup but how about i focus on winning this stanley cup right now and i'll worry about the other one later and i'll worry about the other one later so you know included in that islanders deal um i think there was something about playoff success and the conditional fourth turns into a third you can negotiate something like that for taylor hall sure sure and you know what if i'm the leafs the one thing i don't want to give up is the prospect capital i don't mind giving away picks especially this year because i just

don't think you know as well as you can accurately um unless you're in you know the top 10 in the draft i think it's going to be a lot of magic beans so i don't really mind that first going because it's sort of you know obviously you never want to trade a first if you can help it but it's going to help you win the cup so what i don't think anybody's going to be mad if the leaps give up a first rounder and taylor hall's coming the other way no all right um you know what i keep forgetting to bring up there fellas and are you moving off taylor hall sorry are you moving off taylor hall no okay um it's related it's related i have one question after what is it about taylor hall yes go for it trust me on this one go for it all right i'm very suddenly

right go for it all right it was just i just want to after after this playoff run is done if he gets traded or he doesn't get traded or whatever i think there needs to this offseason needs to be a referendum on taylor hall's career and the fact that he went from heart trophy winner to new jersey selling off to arizona to signing in buffalo for a contract that uh he was the last contract on the table and then being sold from buffalo to whoever contending team picks up now and then whatever he does in this little playoff run like after this is all done we need to talk about the demise or the rebound or whatever the heck's happened in the last three years to taylor hall because you don't just go from heart trophy to hey we're going to sell you for parts two years in a row

and we'll see what kind of contracts is on the table this offseason because last offseason there wasn't much interest. So I just think it'll be a very interesting discussion to see how this plays out. I think you're right, Jesse. I think the contract will depend on how well he does in the playoffs. Should he get there unless Kevin Adams hangs on to him. Some food for thought with Taylor Hall.

So he's having a miserable season, miserable. And he's shooting, I think it's 2.3%. Was last season also a miserable season? Now wait. so i tweeted this on taylor hall scoring struggles he's shooting 2.3 percent his career shooting percentage is 10 last year's was 8.1 so if you look at his past couple years there's been a down tick i want to say it was like 5.5 and then 8.1 it wasn't good so exactly 600 players have played at least 10 games in the nhl this season more than half

324, have shot 8% or better. Hall is 569th out of 600 in terms of shooting percentage, and only three forwards have a worse shooting percentage in the National Hockey League than Taylor Hall.

Who are the forwards? Do you know? If you have to look it up, don't bother. Yeah, I have to look it up. I'm sorry. It's just a sea of defensemen because they're taking floaters from the point not even necessarily trying to score the you know anyway so basically even if he's worse than his career shooting percentage at this point in his career he's probably not this bad plus he

has 17 assists on it this part will make you gasp plus he has 17 assists on a team with two guys with five or more goals the buffalo sabers have two players with five or more goals just two on the whole roster i'm gonna say it one more time just in case your brain malfunctioned the buffalo sabers have two guys with more than five goals holy shit there are a five game point streak the other night so you know what you're absolutely right and i think it's going to extend because they're playing aaron dell in the new jersey devils who i've decided to be full-blown bitter against um why are you bitter it's just because of the aaron dell thing yeah yes okay um so i don't know if your team should sell the farm for him but he'd definitely help your team by the way this

the savers in 38 games have 87 total goals oh wow okay okay math you said 87 goals correct 87 87 goals matthews has scored 32 percent of all buffalo wow that's um staggering and i think he might have done it in fewer games right um they've also allowed 131 oh boy that's bad they are bad um they're much better with lena solmark who i think still has a winning record with that team somehow some way unbelievable they should not trade him Unless they get something ridiculous, they should move heaven and earth. At that point, I'm like, well, maybe I give up a prospect

because I don't hate Jack Campbell and Linus Allmark going into next season. But I don't know how you keep Linus Allmark, right? He's a free agent, right? One of the best acquisitions the Sabres can make over the next week, I think, is re-signing Linus Allmark. Is he a UFA? I think he is. Yes, he is.

Oh, so here's my silly little theory. Okay. Guys, are you ready? Ready. the buffalo sabers should buy okay buy what they should buy at this deadline they should buy human beings who are under contract for the rest of this season and next at least they should you don't have any scouts anyway who cares well and they need people like they they have some

money don't they at least to spend on players it sure looks like the pagoulas have money if they're willing to invest like you obviously if you're kevin adams you have to get the pagoulas in on this idea you trade guys who you're not going to keep around you see what you can get for colin miller you see what you can get for brandon montour you see what you can get for anybody you can't extend right i think you should maybe look at extending some of those guys especially your RFAs you see what's out there for Victor Olofsson uh if you can't get anything for him you extend him but one thing that we've talked about is going forward the Buffalo Sabres need honest to goodness actual human beings living breathing humans on their roster and like

especially with Lena Solmark they freaking don't have any uh call up I think Kevin Adams should call up a great way to get the conversation going around the league because they always talk about like oh you know it's difficult being a rookie gm you don't know all the guys i would love to just be a fly on the wall and get brad trilliving's reaction to kevin adams calling him up and asking about johnny gadreau and just what like that's i'm listening i just want to see where this conversation goes you don't you can't hang up that phone you want to know what he's gonna say what are you giving what are you gonna give to get him i don't know i'm not kevin adams but i wanted what was the i want to know just said two guys on the team have scored five goals step one

step two question mark step three profit profit no okay for a living could come back and be like i heard uh dalene is potentially available and if you're the sabers you say no to nothing now you should definitely keep Rasmus Dahlien, but you go, okay, I tell you what Dahlien is available, but you're going to give me a lot more than Johnny Gaudreau. And then I think the Buffalo Sabres should be willing to deal their picks, not their first, that'd be dumb, but I think they should be willing to deal their picks because they need

players going forward. You need, you can't have this season again next year for the love of God, for the love of God. Like you don't even necessarily have to make the playoffs, but any team that's in cap trouble next year like why aren't the buffalo sabers in on tyler johnson for example and it's even even if nothing happens you then continue the conversation next year you know they should be in on tyler johnson they should be in on vince dunn of the blues they should be in on johnny gaudreau of the flames they should be in on guys and they should be

willing to deal picks to do it honestly they should we don't deal a guy like dylan cousins that resign taylor hall try and make the playoffs this year you know just go for it listen if you can resign anybody i mean anyone who's willing to be there well damn sure if you want to sure i wasn't going to force any of you but since you asked anyone who wants to be a saber you should maybe let him you're kevin adams you know what i mean very interesting strategy yeah i know something you gotta think different you do you do yeah you have to well and what we keep coming up like what are they gonna do trade everybody for a sixth and seventh and piddly bullshit you don't have any

scouts you're practically following the orders of ownership by dealing all your picks keep your first keep your firsts and seconds and then you know you're not going to be able to get anybody rounds three through seven because you haven't invested in anything right yeah go try try call up team you know what i'm not giving you johnny gaudreau but now that you mention it how about hey i'm not going to give you vince dunn but now that you mention it there i think i'd like to see it happen it's just so far away from the reality of how an nhl gm would operate it's the buffalo sabers god damn it is the buffalo sabers they should i mean maybe i'm getting a little aggressive with johnny goudreau here but i think he's gotta think

outside the box yeah you have an ass team very few uh valuable assets and no scouting staff you don't even have an assistant gm how many phones how many blackberries does kevin adams have for this trade he has he's only unlocked one yeah right yeah he might unlock two by the deadline the way they're playing that's what they're playing for right now a second blackbird he might do some of the other rewards like you know it's like oh scout uh the northwest region of the united states unlock one document but he probably wouldn't do that either you know so there you go he's adjusting the slider on hot dog prices now that fans are allowed back in yeah if you up ticket prices by like 20 you might get another phone but i don't know if you will or no i think

kevin adams should buy he should look at it he should look at and if they're under contract and it completely does not work out at all you can sell but and we should play nhl oh wait on twitch yes i think that's i would absolutely do that i would love that the buffalo saber should buy and with that let's get to the press conference the steve dangle press conference all right we got a lot of fun questions so first two things we need to note uh this one's from hockey abi 25 on twitter they said anya packer is the new gm of the metropolitan riveters yes congratulations there you go we gotta congratulate a friend of the show a we we know a gm personally no big deal how about that big deal professional sports

general manager no big deal kind of a big deal also what happened to your head are you okay i'm You have Kyle Dubas' phone number from Sudbury, don't you? Do you really? The other day I was looking for someone named John and John Tavares popped up. There's no way it's his number. I have a wild amount of numbers from when I covered Junior and I think it's literally just suburban households

and Junior towns. Call it right now live on the show. Call John Tavares' number. You want me to? Do it. See what happens. yeah do it who should i say i am steve dangle yeah yeah what are you talking about this is from this is from 2008 2009 it's not gonna be him do it yeah that season it's from

that it won't be him but it'll be some random person this will be funny yeah make sure put it on speaker yeah there you go now wait you guys are the radio experts is this illegal no you can you'll call and then say it's Steve and tell them we're recording a podcast and then tell them who their numbers used to be yeah tell them you had John Tavares' number we're on a podcast and we want to see whose number this was

hit the contact what the hell the number you have called is not assigned and try to call again not assigned Welcome to Canada, folks Do you have Jack Campbell's number?

No, he wasn't a junior What's the next number? We gotta get one Until we get someone on the phone We're doing this bit I love this Who else you got? Try the Dubis one

It's from the Sioux It's changed His number's changed maybe not do I have Dubas' number? Steve call him and tell him you're Kevin Adams and you want John Tavares

alright pull up I'm not calling the Leafs GM it's not him we're calling the person who has the number now it's not Kyle's number you haven't talked to him in 10 years jesus it's ringing

is this bit going the way you thought it would I want to see the voice after leaving a message you can hang up or press pound for more that's mysterious as hell that might be his number you should text that number and be like sorry it was a pocket dial kyle see how he responds seriously and see if he responds back and says no problem steve or something like that yeah or hey this isn't kyle or maybe it is you know sorry all right what's the next what's the next number no he's sending it but make sure you address him as kyle so they have a way to refute that by the way i assigned a photo for his content it's him it's him showing

lou lamorello his phone i don't think that's him anyway what how did this start who else do we have What do you mean next number? Do you have an active NHL player? You've got to give me names. Well, like an active NHL player that you would have the phone number from when they were in junior. Right. I mean, there's Eberle.

Yeah, call Eberle. What would Eberle be doing right now? Well, he definitely doesn't have a Southern Ontario phone number. The number you are calling is unavailable at the moment. I just have a bunch of this number doesn't exist anymore. You've only tried three. What do we need another one?

Jesus. One more. Junior player you covered. Junior player I covered. Somebody on the Knights? Do you have Nazems? I do. Didn't I just

try Naz? I thought I just tried No, we did Tavares. Oh, no, I didn't. No, I was about to try. All right, I'll try now. All right, let's do now. Okay, last one. All right, now.

This is the last one. All right. You have reached the voicemail box of... Nope. man she has no idea she used to have she's cat cadry's number that's cool this that was oh terrifying all that entire process i never want to play that game again i hated that we're gonna play that game against again next show and no you is we're gonna you know what each show i need you to dig up an old player's number and we're gonna do it i literally

have like a hundred perfect then i guess we got a whole year's worth of episodes of it we're going to do one a show. I hate those. That might've been the, one of my most favorite things we've ever done. That was fun. Just listening to ringtones. Yeah,

it was fun. Oh my God. The tension. By the way, I do want to throw this out there in the comments. I think the dubious one's real. I don't know. You think the dubious one's real?

I think it's real. I think you would have picked up if it was real. I, I do want to throw this out there. and I'm going a bit rogue here, Steve, Jesse, you can be mad at me afterwards for this. Okay. I just want to float the idea of how would you feel about extra podcast content throughout the week? Would like to know what you think about extra podcast content throughout the week from the three of us, like just leave it in the comment section. Hmm. Like one week. No, like every week.

so we had our two shows so we do two shows what if you're meaning more more than two oh it's crazy what if we did six shows a week we can't do that is that what you're saying no we're doing we're having a show every single day and seven more than two less than six let's hear what all sheldon's gotta say about our show when we come out with this announcement gotta say when we come out with this announcement if it's not seven days a week you better be disappointed you better we've we're setting the expectation now you're gonna have a new podcast every morning at 6 a.m when you wake up and if it's not that you better get mad and steve's recording it at 2 a.m after he's done the lfr which by the way i think wasn't even up to one today it was not what a jerk tell me no i

do this i sorry the reason the videos have been going up afternoon i do this terrible thing where i be a father to my son and i play with him in the morning i know it's awful i'm sorry guys terrible steve so our second uh question you said that our second question also came from hockey abi who gave us uh the heads up that today is actually national zoo lovers day oh so are you guys gonna to quit the show or and i'll just do the rest there was a great zoo question online a few of them like really good yeah can i can i ask one of the ones i saw let's okay let's do steve corner zoo stories no it's called steve's zoo stories steve's zoo stories s z s it rolls off the tongue everyone sent me the feature on a song with maroon five uh let's okay that says uh anyway

everyone sent me the video of that uh like monitor lizard crawling through the convenience store somewhere that was friggin terrifying yeah how the hell does one of those sneak in floor i don't know a bunch of people are like oh my god after hearing what you said about the komodo dragons i'm like i don't think it's a komodo dragon is it i don't know i don't know all right adam asked the steve zoo stories question steve somebody asked when jesse pointed that out uh what animal at the zoo has the worst poo um mammal i think it's got to be rhinoceros okay why it's just real big it's real big is it like smelly is it like that scene in jurassic park where they're just playing with the triceratops's poo and they're trying to figure

out what's wrong with it why that's a big pile of shit no yeah it's so they're they have an outdoor enclosure but they also have an indoor one and when they like they don't they're not just trapped in there all day um i don't know why they use the indoor part but generally they're outside the indoor enclosure for the rhinos is one of the strongest smells in north america like it is that is something else the elephant's poop is just it's enormous it's freaking you know one of the hardest i've ever seen a group of people laugh by the way i was doing a zoom mobile tour this is back when the toronto zoo still had elephants and i'm talking about the elephants i'm talking about them talking about them and no one heard a word i said because the elephant

elephants pee like a waterfall like a shower yeah it's not a stream it's water falls out of them in like this enormous water spout of fluid and it lasts for an impossible amount of time and and there are kids on board it's the one thing that kids and moms and dads and everyone of all ages just laughs hysterically at and just when everyone is taking a breath as the p wraps up just a dragon ball z spirit bomb right into the puddle and people it was five minutes before i got another word of that people heard like people were just laughing so hard i don't like this so hold on you asked the question i did i did i did i did okay so steve so we know we know the mammal that that has the worst poop let's talk about the reptile i mean just all of them like

Because they eat meat. So it's generally the bigger the reptile. It's just meat and they digest it with a reptilian digestive system. What's the biggest reptile at the zoo? The Komodo dragon's pretty big. Are there gators? We had a dinosaur exhibit. They were robotic.

Are there crocodiles? I can't remember. We did, Jesse, I had lots of robot dinosaur jokes for the Zoomobile ride. gotta remember i'm talking to children um give me another one give me another robot dinosaur joke no i don't remember them um yeah i'm just gonna say rhino rhino i don't remember a lot of them i thought that was a funny question i was like man that is you gotta you gotta have worked there to know that like no one else know that i'll tell you the poop i was most afraid of was raccoons um because they

would get they would get into everything and like uh you know one time a raccoon got into where we kept the strollers and that's probably how part of how i ruined my back stacking those friggin strollers uh wrong by the way um but he got into the place where we keep them and he took a dump and i'm like dude i don't even i don't want to clean this because raccoon poop is like isn't it toxic i don't know it's super it's i mean not that poo is good for you but it's ridiculously bad for you eating there folks it's ridiculously bad for you you can get worms from it and i didn't i didn't want anything to do with it i didn't want to touch it well fair enough jesse one more question we got time so yes i used to clean shit that's the first question i always

got asked is do you shovel shit at the zoo i mean no not every day but on occasion yeah i i do i'm sorry i want to just throw some news out there uh david savard will be a healthy scratch tonight for the Columbus Blue Jacket. Steve, quick yes or no on this one, then I got one more. Will you be working the trade deadline? That's from Nicholas Egan. Yeah.

I don't think I'm going to be there. No one's asked me to be there. So I'm pretty sure I'll just be on basically standby to react to trades. Working with Produce Drew there. Just making videos

from a house, like a factory, and sending them home. awesome awesome so online mainly not on the tv coverage pretty sure unless they have me make a video that that ends up on their tv coverage i tried to hold that burp and i'm sorry um unless they have a video that shows up um like a pre-recorded one as far as i know there's no plans sorry if you can hear that there's work going on outside that's okay i can hear that now but it's okay last question from steven scheller uh do you nickname your starter pokemon or do you leave them as charmander or squirtle or whatever your starter choice is so i am of the belief that you don't nickname your pokemon i always thought it was ridiculous that people

be like oh my pokemon's named pencil or whatever it'd be i think you just leave it as the pokemon's name what do you guys do and so uh pretty sure when i was much younger i gave them all terribly inappropriate names um but yeah no generally you just leave it right that's the move right usually like this this thing is called charmander this thing's called pikachu i don't even give it a name who didn't name gary fuck every kid was i left professor oaks like oh what's his name oh fuck that's right who didn't name gary fuck i left gary as gary because i i wanted to pretend like i was in the tv show i was like that was the imagination part for me so i left that's gary right well and my

dad's name's gary so like one time i named him dad and it's just really funny i thought watching professor oak refer to him as dad was very funny by the way is the in the pokemon blue and red version is the snorlax um the snorlax uh a storyline whatever you want to quest you got to get it off the bridge the most annoying part of that game yes yep because you get there and you're like oh where's the poke flute again i gotta poke flute and then i gotta beat it it doesn't give you any hints either it's not like oh you might need the poke flute it's like oh i don't know how it's gonna wake up i'm like i'm fucking 10 i don't know what this is that drove me nuts i'm like what if i was nine yeah what if i was younger than i currently didn't buy the

nintendo power which was the magazine that told me how to do it the first time i played pokemon i think it was blue i didn't know that you had to get the items for the bike and when i got to that city where you got to ride the bike everywhere i didn't have a bike and i had to exit i had to start a whole new game because i looked i think i one of my friends somewhere looked up online that you need to get the bike first and then do the bike stuff i just deleted my game and started over because i know you need a bike and i got stuck i was freaking eight years old my buddy who i know listens to the show so matt you're gonna listen to this damn story first time i played stick of truth he came over and he's like can i play that for a little bit and i'm like sure

because i'm a good friend and he saved bastard i had to restart the entire game because he saved on my progress and i pretended to be less mad than i really was because that game was all i had going on for me at the moment god i remember those those were similar times that was a remember that era where steve would be like you know i just got done playing 13 hours my eyes are bleeding they didn't show up to the podcast i didn't have any time to prep boy sorry yeah sorry i you understand the underpants gnomes that you gotta you gotta beat them twice first you beat them regular size and then they shrink you and then they're more difficult to beat and you understand right guys anyway how's your show you played the shit out of that game you did

i i got i got stupidly good at nhl that year as well you were very good yeah and then again this past spring oh my god by the way i was ranting about nhl 21 sorry i just remembered hear me i was like let's hear it i was like i can't play this freaking game what happened to the passing mechanic in this game it's unplayable my pass assist was at zero the entire time and i didn't no oh yeah and weirdly the game became way more playable when i turned it on fuck so mad as a 33 year old man very upset that i didn't have fastest sister incredible incredible well listen uh thanks so much for listening to the show we will be back on monday now monday show is going to be a bit interesting and a little bit later obviously because we've got

a situation with the trade deadline so uh we will probably start recording around i would think five o'clock yeah somewhere in there five four thirty when all when all the action is done you know yeah um and steve will have a few videos to do for sports net uh and then maybe he'll make time for jesse and i if he doesn't have to go on a walk with iggy um and then uh so we should have an episode and then we should have an episode coming out that night uh just kind of breaking things down um and then you know like guys we're as of next week like you know 14 15 games away from the playoffs pretty cool very exciting um and uh you know it's it's honestly this is the most fun i know this sounds weird it's the most fun i've had watching and just enjoying a season

in two probably two years two three years i mean the leafs are the leafs basically every night they're good win or lose but it's not just the leafs it's just the they're you know like you what there is what's missing that made things suck the nylander deal and then the matthews deal and then darren ferris for eight months you know you get tired of this and then babcock oh then babs like it was just oh like they got their their shit together it was nice so anyway uh been a lot of fun it was exhausting good it was okay so it wasn't just me oh it sucked that was fucking terrible as soon as tavara signed that was the end of the super fun time because then it was like well nylander what about nylander we're gonna talk about nylander

The off season of Mitch wasn't fun Because it coming to an end That training camp You're like okay what the fuck did I do That two months of stressing for Yeah Well I think both sides would tell you that too They're probably like why did we do this

And it was Mitch Marner that was like Okay I'm going to make a phone call now And we're going to start the conversation Does Darren Ferris do stuff? Question We'll leave you with that Here I'll call Taylor Let's ask him

let's say taylor hall could have a multi-year deal somewhere else hmm anyway uh let's uh let's wrap it up guys we will see you monday enjoying looking forward to it steve enjoy your time on tim and friends tomorrow after five o'clock between five and seven eastern standard time on sports net and of course sports net and tsn have their trade deadline specials uh next week and because we are sports arts rogers and bell here in fact we're more bell than we are rogers um i'm gonna be bringing adam on jesse and friends tomorrow at 5 p.m eastern so watch that instead yep all right tim and friends but with hair the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and

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