The Steve Dangle Podcast - Can't Wait | September 30, 2021

Episode Date: October 1, 2021

September 30th, 2021 is the first National Day for Truth and Reconciliation in Canada. Today is an occasion for us to remember and acknowledge the lost children, the living survivors, as well as the immediate families and communities that have been impacted by residential school systems. Additionally, September 30th also commemorates Orange Shirt Day, declared by the federal government. The colour opens the door to global conversation on all aspects of Residential Schools. It is an opportunity to create meaningful discussion about the effects of Residential Schools and the legacy they have left behind. A discussion all Canadians can tune into and create bridges with each other for reconciliation. A day for survivors to be reaffirmed that they matter, and so do those that have been affected. Every Child Matters, even if they are an adult, from now on. If you would like to read more about these occasions or browse any relevant resources, feel free to view any of the links below. National Day for Truth and Conciliation Website: https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/campaigns/national-day-truth-reconciliation.html Mental Health Support Number for Former Residential School Students: 1-866-925-4419 Canadian Indigenous Peoples and Cultures Information: https://www.canada.ca/en/services/culture/canadian-identity-society/indigenous-peoples-cultures.html Indigenous History in Canada: https://www.canada.ca/en/services/culture/history-heritage/indigenous-history.html Orange Shirt Day: https://www.orangeshirtday.org/ Phyllis' Story: https://www.orangeshirtday.org/phyllis-story.html CBC's Online Events: https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6186017?__twitter_impression=true Calls to Action: https://ehprnh2mwo3.exactdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Calls_to_Action_English2.pdf Donate to the Indian Residential School Survivors Society: https://www.irsss.ca/ Donate to One Day's Pay: https://www.onedayspay.ca/ On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, Today is National Day for Truth and Reconciliation in Canada and Orange Shirt Day (00:00), we have a big weekend of CONTENT coming up (05:00), an update on the story out of the UHL about Jalen Smereck being targeted with a racist taunt by Andrey Denyskin (17:45), Mike Commito joins the show to talk about his book: Hockey 365: The 2nd Period (31:00), The New York Islanders have loaned Bode Wilde to Vasterviks IK of Sweden's Allsvenskan (47:00), Michael Bunting puts on a show during the Leafs pre-season game versus the Senators (1:09:00), the NHL relaxes game-day dress code (1:23:00), the Toronto Blue Jays are fighting for a wild card spot (1:30:00), and Adam’s History Corner on residential schools (1:39:00). Originally aired: September 30, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/VTxML6vG9zQ Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://nba.com/ https://helixsleep.com/sdp https://manscaped.com/ https://www.officepools.com/ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

hello it's us and it's you yes that's what a strange way to start the show us and it is you it's us and it's you okay just it's the little things i used to like pointing at you guys during the intro but i never knew which side you were on in the zoom oh just being in the oh look there's a person in the same room as me i can point at and hey look there's another one that's right i'm still just basking in oh look friends it's nice to it was really nice to be in the studio now today is uh in canada national truth and reconciliation day uh it's it's um it's the first of its kind in this country it's the first time that uh we have a country have actually sat back and not sat back i guess taken a step and recognized um our colonial past the way we've

treated our indigenous uh brothers and sisters and um as a part of this episode um you know obviously the whole point here is to to sit back and listen and when we talk about this sort of stuff uh before um we've talked about this with many other causes as well one of the things that we request of you is not to ask the indigenous person you know about this it's not it's like oh it's same with it was it was same with black lives matter right it's like please don't just ask your black friend to to the history of racism um you know this is about us being proactive and discussing this um uh and and researching this and so one of um our community manager managers on the discord page for uh steve dangle podcast um and sdpn as a whole robert malloy who

you'll see all the time he's absolutely spectacular legend legend uh has put together a very large list like a long list and the list is community source from people with knowledge of like hey this is where we should go to learn about this right right so you can see that right now on the at sdpn sports twitter page we'll get it up on the instagram page um and also um it's underneath this video if you're watching this on youtube so the whole thing is there so you'll be able to to click and or listening on any platform when you go to the description of the audio you'll be able to click it right there as well seriously yeah you can do that on spotify not listen to our show no i watch it well i watch the show maybe you should listen okay maybe i should maybe i switch

it up i just yeah see steve does the right thing jesse if you could get us on spotify maybe i'd listen i don't know um so anyway long story short um this is this is a very important day in canada we certainly hope i certainly hope that this spreads out uh beyond just our borders um but but for canadians um and for anybody uh who may be listening to this who cares and and you know that's the whole point here is we need to we need to recognize what happened um and and then walk towards how we bring everybody back into the fold because there's so many people that have felt disenfranchised for so long generation after generation after generation this is a start this doesn't solve the problem but it's a start and you can help by just doing research and if

you've got a few extra bucks um yeah donating to some causes because i believe we've got some listed there as well so you know that you know i i always understand and respect and love that there's acknowledgement that we're on stolen land but at a certain point it's like okay we can acknowledge it but what are we going to do about it and this is this is proactive this is being taking a step forward so we'd appreciate if you checked it out yeah i apologize that i sold this from you okay can i have it back like yeah yeah you know it's like imagine imagine that exactly the what are we gonna do about it is the important part right and and the what are we gonna do about it is gonna come back in this show and we talk about what happened with the double ihf

we will discuss what happened in the ukraine a little bit later in the show i was i was a little wrong on that you were well but see here's here's steve's problem steve means well and expects that others will mean well as well right and that is i think in this particular case where you went wrong my friend yeah we'll we'll get there we will get and we can do an ahc at the end adam's history corner and you wanted to do it on uh the residential schools we've done it before and i think it's just important to do it again right and we can discuss uh a little bit of colonization as and why it's so important that we understand this in a different way than perhaps we were taught in school.

I'm smiling just because you got your teacher voice on. Oh, do I? What we're going to discuss is a very... Adam's going to teach us. I live with a teacher and that's... Is that how teachers sound? Yes. Steve, what are we going to do about this?

Teachers around the world would be so offended if they found out that I was teaching anything. But I digress. Now, tonight is another night of, well, first off, it's A-O-N-F-R Christmas Eve. Tomorrow, our Amazon All or Nothing Leafs episodes start. We drop one tomorrow, one Saturday, one Sunday, and then obviously Monday and Tuesday as well. There's five episodes of All or Nothing. We are going to give you five reaction episodes of All or Nothing.

but we're gonna kind of let them spread out because i mean some people can watch this all in one sitting but i think sometimes you know like i'm just speaking for myself you got a family you got kids you got stuff to do i didn't you gotta work yeah no i didn't watch it all that's a lot of tv right so we wanted to spread them out for you and let it breathe so we will have our reaction episodes for you but tonight it uh just after nine o'clock um and we'll put some teaser stuff out on twitter as well you are going to get the second world premiere clip that nobody else in the world has seen that's what world premiere means not even amazon not even amazon they are not aware they have no idea what we're putting up right now what what do we do with our phones we

set them to steal it's a special feature in android steal from the biggest company in the world steal so uh basically uh tonight what you're gonna get and it's at nine o'clock and i just want to say we'll talk about how it went on tuesday it was amazing can we talk about the clip nine o'clock tonight, you're going to get something we're calling Keef's speech. It is one of the most unbelievable pieces of television I've ever seen. It is one of the highlights of the five episode run. And it's going to change the way that you look at Sheldon Keef. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. Forever. Whatever you think of them now. And for all of us, it changed it too. Whatever you think of sheldon keith now like him hate him whatever you think i don't know how anybody

could hate him at this point it's like poor guys and really had a fair shake but anyway whatever you think of sheldon keith this is going to change what you think it's going to deepen your understanding and i think it's going to blow you away and i don't want to like i want to say everything i want to say about the clip but we did that in an episode of the reactions this is so i don't want to i don't want to just do our reaction show here on this show so you should watch episode five of our reactions i believe that's when i believe it's in the fifth yeah the fifth episode is when we go into that clip oh yeah should we mention that this speech occurs in the playoff series against montreal almost that matters almost every piece of content i make

is up within an hour of me making it this podcast goes up several hours later if i shoot something with drew at sports net we're talking usually max of 24 in special circumstances 48 hours that it's up that we've held on to this for so long five episodes about something i'm genuinely excited about don't do that last episode you hit the tables now you're shaking the mics what is this oh my god i also want to say that it's kind of neat that this weekend i'm i'm i'm so excited I'm vibrating. I want you. This weekend, you're getting this show today,

along with the Chris Johnson show. And Chris, in his show, is going to talk about why he made the move from Sportsnet to the Star, to the SDPN, and, of course, most recently to TSN. Jesse was actually there for the recording of this. It's so juicy. Oh, man. They went over time a little bit.

It's a 30-minute show, but I think they hit, like, 40 minutes. But there's just so much. if you're a fan of anything media related like if you want to break into the business if you care about the personalities if you just want to inside look at hockey like chris gives it to you in this in this 40 minutes it's insane and then you you get a look into his journey to switching from the company's in his last year and it's really eye-opening and it'll give you a connection with cj that you haven't had before like you're gonna be like oh wow i i know this man it's really good don't worry i censored all the stuff he was gonna say about no no and that'll be up before i

will not do that it's his damn show and that'll be up before this show so if i'm talking about this right now that means you can go and watch it right now yeah oh what's up it's up before this show will be up yeah so that'll be i listen to it on the way home no oh because i'm here just everything i want out there oh this is pain okay so so and this is what i mean this is why it's so exciting to have chris working with us you know what if i drive slow he's such a uh such a unique and unbelievable talent julian's amazing and that show is doing really really well you know we don't often our show especially we don't pay attention to the charts very much uh but that show up until yesterday even without an episode in a few days was still the number one show in canada

it's still number five today and then and then they're going to release another episode what would happen if all of our listeners went to our uh podcast on apple and hit five stars so that we passed chris and we we were number one excuse me we established dominance or what if here okay you guys are gonna like this you're allowed to rate more than one show five stars and you simply did that yeah well they would rate ours now no and then we would pass it because it's no but you get you do it's a moving show too yeah yeah but so they would do cjs and then do our second so you rate cjs five and then ours five because it's a moving chart so if they rate our second will be the most recent to have the five stars so we'd be number one so so everybody's kind of rating

chris five stars right now on apple so if they go immediately you rate chris five stars and then you do a second we will be then number one i like that take the title away from cj is that mean yes like genuinely mean that's why i was like okay but what if we didn't do that you know what he's gonna do next episode now he's gonna say the same thing and be like those guys anyway we start to say steve adam and jesse are assholes chris uh uh that that show with chris and julian has been great your reaction has been great thank you so much for for everybody that have tuned in obviously so far and i mean the great thing is is like this is the third episode it's so good such a great show we knew it would be so we're very excited about that again i want

to repeat to tonight uh nine o'clock sdpn.ca slash all or nothing no caps it's really important you don't have any caps jesse is against caps you can see that in the logo jesse's like no caps ever ever again yeah on twitter for some reason our url is case sensitive when we do when we have the all or nothing after the slash so oh yeah yeah i put all or nothing up and i had caps on it because it's just a brain thing and it didn't work and people were like your link's broken and i was like so then jesse told me to delete it put it down and then and no caps and then it works i'm gonna i'm gonna go and try and fix it tonight hopefully before that happens so But we'll see.

Anyway, it's going to be an exciting one. The Keef speech is going to absolutely blow you away. Now, you were breaking down the schedule of our weekend before we got into the whole diatribe about Chris. I suppose I should do that, too. And I should mention, too, Mike Camito, hockey historian, is coming on in about 20, 25 minutes to talk about Hockey 365, his book. And we love Mike. And he's a really smart guy. But now, let's talk about this weekend.

So, quickly, you get our show and you get Chris' show today. Thursday. Today, Thursday, you could be listening on Friday, though, or Saturday, whatever. You might be in Australia. Then you get a Steve Dangle podcast every single day until the next recording of the Steve Dangle podcast. And that's pretty cool. The next day you won't have a podcast from us is next Wednesday. And you're going to get two.

You're going to get one today. And then when we end it on Tuesday, you're going to get a reaction and a brand new SDP episode, too. So you're getting two episodes on Tuesday. Beyond that, we are working on something that we cannot completely disclose. Okay. Hold on. For everyone who gets frustrated by this, I literally don't know what he's talking about. And in your schedule for today, also the premiere of that five-minute clip.

Yeah. So we've got two shows in the clip today. Three things today. Yeah. And then we've got episodes all weekend right up until next Tuesday where you get another double dose. And obviously, Chris, you'll have a double dose Monday too because Chris's show comes out Monday. And then here's the other thing. next weekend, Thanksgiving in Canada

is going to be ballistic and I can't fully tell you what we're doing right now but I want you to expect multiple episodes every day but short I'm going to explode oh that

and it's going to be fun because if you could sneak out for 10 minutes if you're stuck with your family you're like god I just need to get away from these people and it's going to be a really fun little thing that we've never done before and it's going to be five full days of it. Just like bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

And stuff that's, I think it's going to be great. We're super excited about it. What is it going to be? I'm not going to say. Should I say? No. Okay. I'm not going to say.

I'm not going to tell you until next week. We have, like I keep saying, we have so many things that we need to unveil. It was, for me, for Steve, for Jesse, one of the most unbelievable summers we've ever experienced. I will say that when I did go on vacation, I didn't get much vacation. um but you know we've been able to to do some things here that we wanted to do forever

and we're so excited to be bringing this all to you so seeing tuesday night happen seeing that premiere 1300 people watching concurrently the the chat on youtube live was unbelievable it's like just the just the amount of like it was impossible to read everybody did you like the poll that we ran which is adam divorced yes or yes with a question yes or yes yeah i loved it uh just tell us and tell it you know the worst thing about being friends with a radio host is if you argue with them he's like you know what your problem is i'll tell you after the break that's what you're doing right now what i don't want to do is overload you with too much information that's why i'm teasing i want you to know that there's reasons to come back but also

we have three major things happening today our show chris's show amazon on demand uh sorry amazon prime all or nothing you're gonna get to see it it's pretty spectacular steve is shaking the microphone again um uh the uh uh the all or nothing for the toronto maple leafs comes out on prime tomorrow october i assume tonight at 1201 12 tonight um which is tomorrow if you are on our discord if you're not on our discord first of all get on there um at 1201 i assume when it drops on amazon prime if you want to be up and you want to talk about it with anybody you're be up there's gonna be people on our discord chatting with you hey there is a there is an all or nothing channel on our discord where you can do all things show and the beautiful thing

about uh writing on discord is you can do spoilers so if you haven't seen an episode yet you can black out your text and then everybody who's seen that episode can click it and respond and reply and everything but anybody who's scrolling wouldn't see that text unless you clicked it to reveal it so you can do spoiler complete chats write whatever you want as long as you put your spoiler blur over the thing you're talking about because people obviously haven't seen it and then you can have your conversations with anybody who's watching the show with you so if you want to stay up and do that with everybody on our discord go ahead and do that don't say that they lost can you delete that i need also also just something to keep in mind for throughout the

entire preseason and the entire season on the whole for every game in the nhl there will be an sdpn discord chat live so you'll be able to chat does not matter who your team is when they're playing what time of day or well i guess what time of night they're playing that wouldn't matter which outdoor game they're playing against chicago it really doesn't matter there will be a discord chat that will be live and energetic and i've gone through and like even in the preseason yeah these chats are crazy when the coyotes are playing the panthers and it's nobody cares and it's a tuesday night there'll be a game day channel where you can talk about it with two other people yo the coyotes fans listen that coyotes fans are are passionate they they realize that they don't

have the biggest group in the world but they are passionate and they're all over our discord they got to be loud absolutely they are they do now we'll have a discord set up for the um inter squad blackhawks game that happens between periods at the leaf sabers outdoor game instead of the Timbits kids, no. They get booted to the side. It's going to be the Blackhawks versus the Blackhawks. Yeah. Versus Taves.

Yeah. It's going to be great. So I'm going to do a hard right turn here. And when I say hard right turn, it means we're going from fun to serious. Chris Johnson reporting that the Ukrainian Hockey League general manager, so the manager of the league, was fired for speaking out against racism. What? When did he tweet that?

He tweeted this out 28 minutes ago. His name is Eugene Kolachev. So that was the guy who tweeted the punishment yesterday that most people retweeted, I think. So here's what he said. I have spoken openly about racism in Ukrainian hockey, and the Ukrainian Hockey Federation fired me as general manager of the UHL today. Will it solve the problem? No. Will it silence me?

No. My voice has been ignored in the decision over the penalty against Andrei Deneskin, who showed a racist gesture to Jalen Semerik. Semerik. Samaric, excuse me. Deniskin and Samaric, yeah. I am publicly appealing to the AAHF to conduct its own investigation of the incident and help hashtag end racism. Jalen, we got your back. So I'm assuming that Eugene was the guy that had to send this out yesterday, I'm assuming, this punishment, where, by the way, it took them too long to figure out what the heck they were doing.

and then they figured out what they were doing and what they hand down to Deneskin is essentially a three-game suspension with an $1,800 fine. It's 13 games, but if he pays a fine, he can get 10 of those games back. And I saw different reports of what the fine is. I think probably because it's American Canadian dollars

and stuff like that. I think it's $1,800 American dollars. Because I saw $1,800, I also saw $180. I saw 1800 mostly. 1800? Yeah. Okay, let's settle on that. Now.

Wow. Obviously, we said on the last episode, hey, this needs to be an enormous deal. And I think the person that actually summed it up the best is some guy you've never heard of named Elliot Friedman. I was so excited for a minute. Who is this new person I'm going to hear from? It's Elliot Friedman. Who's ever heard of him? No one.

Article from Sportsnet.ca, how the IIHF should react to alarmingly soft Deneskin suspension. Frege said you got to do three things. First thing, the IIHF has to send a message that individual federations will face consequences if they cannot adequately police these incidents. Yes, the player needs a harsh ban, but if the country itself is unwilling to do so, shouldn't punishments include hurdles to the Olympic or World Championship qualifying or withholding funding the UHL would normally get from the IIHF. Wow.

He said these would be major consequences, but sometimes, sadly, you have to hit people in the pocketbook to make them feel remorse. And that is so unbelievably true. Number two, the IIHF has to make sure Semarik is being paid while he's taking a completely understandable leave of absence. This incident is not the fault. This incident is not anyway his fault,

and he should not lose a cent over dealing with his emotions. I'd argue that Semarek should be paid every cent of what he was supposed to earn this season, even if he doesn't play another second in the Ukraine. Yeah, and I don't know what the salaries are in the UHL. It can't be high. Yeah. It's not gonna be high.

I don't think so. Third, it is incumbent on the double IHF and really the entire hockey community to ensure that Semarek is found another opportunity to resume his career. He's 24. he has dedicated himself to the sport excuse me, himself to the sport

and should be rewarded for that if he decides he does not want to stay in this current situation surely there is another team in another country that can use his talents it sounds like the effort is already underway Semarek played for the AHL's the Roadrunners yesterday or sorry, yesterday, last season

there is some word that the American League is considering it and there are some teams in it that are considering it you know, I mean it was a relatively short article and I'm sorry Elliot I just radioed you here. I read the whole thing, but I thought...

I don't think he would be upset about that. I don't think anybody summed it up better. And Elliot's really good for that, obviously. And we were talking last episode about pathway forward here, like what is to be done. And obviously, you don't need us to tell you the suspension is soft. You don't need us to tell you it's short. You don't need us to tell you that it's not solving anything. And you don't need to tell you that there's a racism problem in Eastern Europe.

Duh. And in hockey. And in hockey and in Europe and in the world. We get it. Not that we should stop listening to it, but we do understand that. And it's particularly bad here. You can tell it's particularly bad here based on the suspension. Akeem Ali, who is the chair of the alliance, he said, listen, you know, what kind of message

does this send? you have a racist gesture and lose a couple weeks of hockey that's it yeah that is uh well okay and so what we were talking about last show going back to i i generally try to assume the best of people um is i said by the time our show is up the double ihf will have made some sort of decision wow is it taking a long time now they absolutely have to what i think they were probably hoping for well they they've had to the whole time but what i think they were hoping for was the uhl they they probably want to let lower governing bodies make the right decision they have to at least let them try let them try they haven't yeah they haven't uh and now it's like it's

no longer even about deniskin right it's about the ukrainian league well it's about the ukrainian league and it's about the precedent that it sets right like you in the uhl you can do whatever you want basically you can do whatever you want you can you know do whatever racist gesture you want and you're going to face little to no consequence i i have so many questions for the people who made this decision because it became an international incident like that's what it was and the opportunity here to showcase to the world what if you care about hockey you can showcase to the world what hockey means to you and and what the community can do if something like this happens you know and your tolerance for a racist act like the people in charge here had an opportunity

to on the global stage to show what hockey is and they chose not to do any of that and instead they chose to pretty much throw up their hands and be like ah this is kind of it's okay like it's it's nothing worse than a bad play on the ice like a high sticking that gets you suspended or something like that so i'm just i'm just shocked that they wouldn't if they care about the game they wouldn't take this opportunity to show what it can be i also want to say that um his his club team uh hc donbass uh or donbass donasek that's samaric's team or deniskin's team is i thought it was yes i think it's samaric's team that is samaric okay they tweeted out that they were absolutely outraged by this as well they are supporting the player and i want to i want to

put this into context for you because you know this team as far as ukrainian hockey goes is about the best team they've ever seen in that league they used to be in the khl they did used to be the khl and in fact when they were in the khl 13 14 the last time they lost in the conference semifinal they have won five of the last six championships in the ukraine this is the most influential team in ukrainian hockey by the way they they also they they took a three-year break but they won in 2010 2011 and then again in 15 16 16 17 17 18 18 19 lost in 1920 and then won again last year if i remember correctly i think their arena was severely damaged in the um i believe there was a revolution yes oh yes there was oh yeah and it was bad yeah so this is a

well the damage was this is a uh um this is an extremely important team in ukraine and i do want to say maybe the league didn't step up but i really i first off i think this team is going to step up i'm sure they're going to pay jalen i hope they're going to don bass yeah they would have the resources they would have the resources to do it yeah you would hope so but like what's happened so far it doesn't look like anything of that sort's gonna happen well i mean i think the team that again the team tweeted out its outrage they think it's this is outrageous and then but i think the gm and then he got fired the gm of the league got fired okay so what's happened here is there's obviously higher power.

I don't know what the ownership structure of the UHL is, but I would assume that whoever it was is probably politically connected and probably doesn't care. But what's really important here, and I think we have to give credit where it's due, that this hockey club, which is highly influential,

is standing behind the player and that this general manager lost his job over this. And I think it's important that the fans of this league and obviously because it's an international incident um are the fans of this team and this this league it's like the new york yankees coming out and saying hey uh we're not okay with this that has influence that can create change and i hope that them coming out and i hope the other teams stand behind it obviously i'm not sure about um deniskin's uh club team don bass is the only uhl team i know right well so i i mean i do want to i did want

to highlight that because i think it's important it's important when influential people and influential teams take a stand um i know it's basically the bare minimum but it's better than what the league did is it not yeah and this is why like friedman's suggestions i would imagine are uh educated guesses right he's a very connected guy like i don't think he came up with that like out of thin air so if the uhl well i was gonna say if the uhl fails here then he needs to be right in terms of what the double ihf does uhl has already failed so now it's up to luke tardive who's been on the job for a week yeah um to come down on them and he was just elected this weekend and he so he's not even he's the president's elect like i don't even think

oh he's not even in charge not quite yet and i i he said obviously renee fasel was was kicked out but i'm not fully sure that he's even fully taken over yet oh that's a very interesting wrinkle i did not think of that right really yeah he was a real uh interesting well whoever is in charge of the governing body like it did yeah it doesn't matter right it doesn't like what what are fasel and tardif going to be so differently aligned right you know i don't know about this racism thing yeah exactly exactly so i mean yeah it looks like he is considered that but again he's he's just started this but he's been there for a long time he's been a part of the double ihf for a long long time i know i'm looking at the board of governors for the double ahf here and uh you know i mean

you've got bob nicholson on there too so you would think he would be a pretty major player um and there's people from around the world on this pavel beret is a council member uh you know it's it's a it is sort of a who's who and uh it'll be very interesting to see what they do i imagine that the aahf is taking their time here uh to get this right because i think you don't have to imagine yeah they are so they've had they've had 24 hours already at the time we're recording this since the decision came down right not even the incident that the incident's like nearly a week old yeah isn't it yeah come on let's i'm i'm sure like again like we said last show i'm sure there's all sorts of legalese that's getting in the way but come on yeah exactly okay

so i wanted you like that's the latest update as of the recording of this show i'm sure more breaking news will happen and maybe tomorrow morning when you're listening to this the double ahf has has dropped the hammer but i have to imagine that they will yeah have to imagine um okay so we're basically getting ready to bring mike camito on here for hockey 365 365 the second period because you know he had a first period see steve here's the thing mike wrote a book but then he wrote another one see if his book is in the playoffs it could go on for as long as he wants it could i'm just wondering where your second book is wow what did you do all locked down well i uh you know got really good at red dead and nhl 20 and then leo was born and i got really bad at

The one that you have to play online. Red Dead, where you can pause. Still great at that. Don't worry about it. It's okay, folks. Don't worry. I'm still really good at Red Dead Redemption 2. Everybody cares.

Yeah, they do. And until 21, it was pretty bad. Mike told me that he has a story about you. Oh! About me. That he wants to tell on the show. Okay. I'm interested.

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Mike, this, I mean, I just want to say, look who's doing the forwards on this. Ron McClain, Bob McKenzie, and Chris Cuthbert. Jeez. Jeez is right. Some big names. Now, Mike, this, for everybody that doesn't know, this is your second book from Hockey 365. So what is the, if you were to explain it to your grandmother who doesn't read hockey books, what would be well like what would you say it's what's the book about nana yeah so uh so i have a

i have a nona and a baba and actually my uh my nona bought one of the books i don't think she'll read it but uh but what i would explain to her is that it's 365 short hockey history stories one for every day of the year uh so we actually have 366 because you have to account for leap years and so basically every day of the calendar year you've got a different hockey story that celebrates it's a different anniversary or milestone in the game's history. Awesome. Very cool. That's a, yeah, it's a very, it sounds like an easy read, right? Like you don't need to be an egghead.

No, it's, yeah. Like I think I tried to write it in a way that's accessible and engaging and fun. I think the interesting thing that I learned after writing the first book is I had some parents come up to me afterwards and say, you know, my son or daughter doesn't like to read a lot, but they're hockey nuts. And they read your book cover to cover. And so I kind of thought that, you know, going into this, I didn't think I was writing a book that would appeal to kids.

I kind of thought I was writing a book that would appeal to people like me that are hockey history fanatic. But but you quickly learn that I think as the one page format per story, anybody could read it, whether it's you're an old hockey fan or you're 10 years old and you love the game. That's perfect for me. I see. I see like an eight page chapter. I'm like, that's enough. but that's the thing right like mike the thing is is that hockey does have an extremely rich history but because it is like the fourth of four top north american sports i mean it depends on what you include as top american north american sports the the history like there's no espn 30 for 30s on hockey history there's there's very little out there i know sports that in tsn do some every once in a while but like the the the depths that you go with this history is pretty cool and the thing

is this game has changed so much over the last 100 120 years some of the facts in here are are absolutely mind-blowing and i i was just hoping like is there something that stands out to you from the first book or this one whatever you feel comfortable with because we don't want to blow this book um that that like even as a historian surprised you one of the ones that sticks with you when you think hockey 365 yeah I mean I think because it's it's largely does focus on a lot of the NHL moments certainly I think there's some moments from outside the league's history you know women's history women's hockey or international game but I mean I think the thing that always you know even though you know these dates and you know these facts that always you know makes me chuckle

is when you think back to like how the sport has actually evolved like over the hundred years it's been in the NHL right and so I've had a couple stories in the new book in the old book just talking about the rule changes i think things that we take for granted you know like that the forward pass wasn't legal for many years in the nhl until like the you know just before the great depression started the idea that you couldn't pass within each of the zones you know now seems insane uh the other one that i have i think in the first one as well is just the introduction of the penalty shot and when they first did it in the 30s you know it wasn't the breakaway format that we see now it was like you were in a stationary circle from 38 feet out and you just took your best shot

at the goaltender obviously it heavily favored the goaltender because really you knew where the shot was coming from there were no surprises uh but it's things like that you know some of the innovations over the years you know with art ross and the tinkering that he done that he did you know to help uh innovate and improve the game those are always the things where even though you you're probably aware of some of these things if you if you study the history closely it still always just kind of you know throws you for a loop and you think back just how much the game has truly evolved uh to where it is now i i enjoy learning things about hockey because like i i feel like there's i know like the the 2008 leafs onward basically because of lfr and stuff so my

old stuff is lacking the stationary penalty shot is something i've never heard of in my entire life that's never even slipped out of jeff merrick's mouth and it seems like exactly the sort of thing he would know so i'm very i'm very impressed thanks in a in a hockey trivia competition who would win you or merrick oh merrick would would destroy me really absolutely okay you sure yeah no i i was hoping i would be like oh i crushed right and then we bring you both on the show and have a fight oh man i i think i would i think i could keep it competitive i would at least be alive in the competition but i think for sure he would he would bury me really well yeah it's yeah And you'd know it was over when he starts with, Mike Camito, I remember watching you with the Junior B Coburn Clouds or whatever.

When you were eight years old or whatever, like he would know everything about you and you'd be like, all right, it's curtains. Well, he, so the other day, like we did a virtual book launch and Merrick was kind enough to host it for me. And we were going through some of the stories in the book and we arrived at a story about, you know, Jerry Topazini, who used to play for the Bruins, was a big name here in Sudbury. And he had this bar before he passed away that's called the Beef and Bird. And it's basically just a tavern that you would go to to drink and have a good time. And it was full of brew and stuff. But Merrick said, didn't he also own a hotel? And I had never heard of Jerry Topazini owning a hotel.

I found out after the call that one of the locals who was on the launch with us said that, yeah, actually, Topazini bought the Belvedere Hotel, which I'd never heard about before, and then turned it into the Beef and Bird. So Merrick, even with something that I should have known as a Sudbarian, he got me on that one and stopped me dead in my tracks. You've got to be kidding me. That's unbelievable. That's so Jeff. That's so very Jeff. Yeah. Unreal. Now, sorry, I can't, I can't get over that. Crazy. I, Oh God. I would, I would a hundred percent listen to a Bilber podcast style. Jeff Merrick, just things he knows. Yeah. Well, he just launched a new show. So I think maybe, maybe he will. I hope he, I hope he does. He's doing a two hour national show every day. There's a podcast idea for you, Mike. Fill in the gaps with Jeff Merrick. You say the things you know, and then he's like, and also they bought a hotel.

Yeah, just you two going back and forth would be such a compelling show. Who would, or find the thing that Jeff Merrick doesn't know? That would be, yeah, that would be a challenge, I think. What is it, like Fool, Penn & Teller or whatever it's called? Yeah. Oh, man. You know, we have a network. Yeah, well, so does Jeff.

um so i i think which is it i think i think mike what's what's so cool about this is it it it it bite it gives us the bite-sized version you mentioned that and and the thing with hockey 365 is that when i when i look at it i look at it from a different perspective only in this way when steve was writing his book which he never talks about um he every day when we would go to rogers to record at the fan 590 when we were recording there steve would tell me an update on the book and this is for a year year and a half you were writing that thing it was a long long time and it it dominated it dominated your life right it took over steve's life and i i look at yours and steve was telling his story and it's like what parts do you leave in what parts you

have we got this this uh i i did you know i did 14 pages last night and it took me six hours and And like, I, you know, there's a lot that goes into this that I don't think people realize. And here's the thing about you is that you're researching 365 different things and you've done it again. So when you wrote the first one, did you go, oh, there's definitely enough gas in the tank to do a second period. And now you've done a second period. Are you going to just leave it at that?

No, I think we've definitely committed to the third because they've even gone as far as, you know, restylizing the first book as new copies that get printed of the first one will now be called hockey through 65, the first period. So I think I have to finish regulation. It's in the question of, do you do overtime, sudden death, shootout, whatever, whatever you want to do. Right. I think there's enough hockey history to do all those volumes, but I think certainly when I did the first book, it was, I'd never written a book before, so I didn't know what to expect. Um, you know, it was a very quick turnaround. I had six months to do all the research and all the writing, which admittedly was insane. Um, I had, you know, at that point

in my career, I was a year into a new job. I had a young, you know, one-year-old at home. So it was a lot of late nights. It was, by the time the process was over, I said to myself, I never want to do that again. I'm glad that I did it because, you know, the book is out and I, you know, I'm able to finally see all that hard work put into it, but I'm like, I don't want to ever do this again. And then, you know, the pandemic came around and I had been doing a lot of writing for the Kings and my local Sudbury Wolves team. And with those commitments kind of shelved, I thought, you know, now's the best time to kind of dive into another book project and spend months kind of doing it. Because that's the thing with writing a book is that it takes so much time and

you're not able to share with everybody versus like an online article. You know, you get the immediate reaction to it and results that you see when people read it the next day. But a book, you know, like takes over a year before it's finally, you know, out there in the world. And so I just think the timing kind of lends itself to doing it again. You know, I'm not eager to do a third period right now but i think if you talk to me in two years from now hopefully my my tune has changed because i have to finish regulation otherwise it would be uh you can't just leave that two periods you didn't criminal yeah yes that would be quite annoying um so what what did you what was different the the second time around like where did you have a similar experience where

like oh i hit the 265 fact wall like i don't i don't i don't know if you get a certain distance into the 365 and go, ah, I'm running out of facts. No, it's, it's, it's almost kind of like the opposite. I feel like once you get through like a significant chunk and you're like, I'm halfway done, you just like, I can, I can make it down. Right. It's, it's those first few weeks where you're like, okay, I've written six stories, but I have 360 to go. Like this is never, this is going to take forever. Right. And I think as you keep pushing on and finding different ways to kind of, uh, you know, fill your day with writing. I think the nice thing about the second book was that I gave myself a little bit more time. I started writing it quietly without talking to

the publisher just to see if I had the appetite to do it all over again. And then after a couple of months of doing it, I felt, you know, I've got, you know, 60 pages under my belt. I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on this and make it official. So because of that, I think I was able to enjoy it a little bit more this time around having gone through the process. You know, I think also, you know, as a first time author, you do all the hard work and getting the first manuscript together, but then the editing and the revisions come and that's almost just as worse sometimes and so i think knowing what comes next better prepared me to kind of enjoy the ride that i had before i submitted to the publisher every year i talk about the disaster team or the

circus team the carnival team who historically in your writing and in your research were you like oh it's you again like which which team kept popping up with the weirdest stories uh it wasn't necessarily teams because i tried to do uh i tried to balance it out as much as i could right obviously i'm a leafs fan i know that not everyone's going to want to read like a like a leafs 365 although that would be a good book and it would probably sell decent yep um but uh but funny enough like one of the one of the recurring characters in the book was doug gilmore um and i like to think that that was by accident but gilmore was my mom's favorite player and so it was always gilmore gilmore gilmore um and so like there's probably like at least i would say like

five different doug gilmore stories in the book which is you know out of 366 is quite a bit considering there's so many different teams and players that kind of come through. So again, I certainly appreciate Doug Gilmore as a, you know, as a fan of the Leafs and a fan of that era, but, but yes, that kind of came in. I think I joke about it at one of the stories in the book that, you know, your mom is always going to be the first person that's going to read your work. So I guess if nothing else,

I'm playing to my base and making sure that my mom reads the book by having all these Doug Gilmore stories in there. But, but yeah, I tried to keep it, you know, I try not to constrain it too much to certain players or, teens, but certainly, you know, Killer had a way of finding himself into the book. Amazing. Well, listen, go ahead, Jesse. One final question. When we were corresponding

over email to originally bring you on, you mentioned that you had a Steve Dangle story, and I want you to tell it to Steve on the show. Yeah, well, I think Steve knows this, but I'm sure a lot of people don't because I don't think I've shared it a lot. So Steve Dangle

was the one who broke my heart when he told me that I was not going to be in the running for tln's next top blogger back in 2014 no way yeah no way can i just say i hated that i i hated every step explain explain for people who don't know what any of that is it was so we did like a we wanted another writer yeah on the website and we came up with this idea nation on yeah sorry on the leafs nation.com oh my god mike that's so funny i'm sorry man wow we we wanted a new writer and and it was me and justin fisher running it and we got an overwhelming number of applications which meant we had to read all of it we had to read all of it

and uh oh yeah oh yeah man we made mistakes no no but i like like we were adam muscaris i believe one oh okay he was that makes so we got that right but uh yeah man i was obviously wrong about you no no but i mean in i would say that in your defense like i at that point had just started to kind of dip my toe into hockey writing for like a broader audience i think the story that i chose to highlight the skills that i would bring to the website where i try to do a comparative analysis between the ontario spring bear hunt and tyler bozak to kind of make a some analogy between like the stats the stats don't always indicate the reality it was really uh you know because my i was studying the history of black bear hunting and management at the time and so

it was a really weird piece that obviously was not what you guys would have been looking for the funny thing looking back now is that i think one of the first things i'd ever written for a blog was i did like a fan post for pension plan sorry pension plan puppets and the thing that i did was it was a complaint that ea didn't have james reimer's uh rating high enough compared to his actual skill level in the nhl so i should have led with that yeah and you would and you would have hired me i would have been like this guy gets it and then you go into the bears i'll be like the guy who was right about reimer talking about the bear no it it's smart like with all those applications yours is going to stand out because you talked about tyler bozak and bear

hunting um but dude i did not have the time for that and i bit off more than i can chew and mike i'm so damn sorry that i prevented you from writing two books and probably motivated me to start i started doing my own blogging at that time uh just on my web on my on my own website and then the next year i was doing stuff for the royal half so yeah and two books now and we're talking to you today so i guess it all worked out yeah royal half and now la kings contributor as well mike also contributes to la kings so looking at me like that no i'm just Wait, what are you leaning on to pick? You picked wrong, Steve.

I know. That's all I can say. Check out both of the two or three at least part series, we think. From Dundurn Press, it's Hockey365. At Mike Camito on Twitter. If you love hockey history, this is the guy you got to follow. Just incredible stuff. Mike, it's so great to catch up with you, man.

Thanks so much for making time for us today. My pleasure. Thanks for having me, guys. Really appreciate it. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research.

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so uh one of the rules that we learned while lou lamorella was in toronto uh you you can't uh have any stubble yeah you gotta wear a suit um and you need to be good at hockey the number one rule is that rules don't apply to lou well unless they're lose rules unless they're loose and they apply to lou because lou give lou credit he follows his own rules but Lou's rules are not to be disobeyed he is and I think from a tough manager which I would imagine he is he's the best kind of tough manager you want because he'll write him out and say this is it this is what it's going to be and if you want to be here this is what it'll be it's relatively simple it's relatively simple if you don't follow those rules Lou will then also

let you know what will happen to you if you don't follow those rules because i i know with lou in the past and we've heard this with multiple different players he sits you down and goes you're not following the rules if you continue from this point not to follow the rules you will be gone and you're lucky to get that conversation yes lou lamorello said and he never said this publicly but we do know that it was a mandate with the new york islanders that everybody's going to be vaccinated. Yep, this is not a question. This is not up for debate.

Frankly, it's not even a choice. You will be vaccinated playing for the Islanders and the science backs them up. It's an obvious move for general manager. It's sort of surprising that a few people have been like, well, you know. There's also a mandate in New York State where you can't be in a sporting event arena

unless you are vaccinated. Right. So it poses a problem for all of the New York sporting teams if you're not vaccinated and you're a professional athlete. Right. Because you need a vaccine to get into the stadium where you need to do your job. Kyrie Irving.

Kyrie Irving. Will not be able to play home games this year. If he doesn't get the vaccine. Yeah, they have a little bit more runway because the Raptors' first game is October 20th. I don't know when the season starts for everybody. Yep. That one's fascinating.

Can't wait to get there. but as i understand it lou's rules are generally very simple and straightforward so and actually if you want to if you want another great book to read read burke's law and and have a listen to what he said i i listened to the book brian narrates it's great but he talks about playing for lou lamorello which brian burke did played for him at providence college and what it's like i admire that he narrated it himself i do too it's uh it takes a really long time it's the most But with the book, it's the most succinct account of Lou Lamorello that we know so far. And even then, Lou is still enigmatic.

You still don't know Lou Lamorello. And I think Brian acknowledges that. He knows him. But does he really know him? Anyway, Lou Lamorello said, and New York State said, you're going to be vaccinated here. Bodie Wilde, who from all accounts, spectacularly talented defenseman, second round pick. They said at the time, and I always worry about this moniker, so forgive me for this, but they said at the time, and if you read his, I brought up his elite prospect scouting

report. Can I throw this at you? Do it. Yeah. Second round pick, 2018. This is like, first off, he's born in Montreal, Quebec, but he's a dual, and he plays for the United States. Bodie Wilde is a talented, competitive defender that plays a tenacious 200-foot game.

His balance and acceleration in stride are noteworthy. Never caught in no man's land. This is from elite prospects, by the way. uh or doing nothing he's proactive he's hard-nosed uh and i'll skip forward because it's a long paragraph just absolutely loving this guy sounds like an islander here's the last line thanks to his quick thing or last two lines thanks to his quick uh thinking in making high percentage decisions he can be very difficult to read and play against all in all wild is a smart competitive sizey two-way d-man that can provide a team with numbers on the board and stability on the ice

and the islanders are known for putting out pretty great defensemen oh yeah the rockport the forwards from rockport are not necessarily they're not always they're not known for necessarily for that bridgeport excuse me i don't want to say rockport bridge you got them confused with rockford rockford ha you put two teams anyway from bridge it took me a second i'm like sounds i know that's wrong but what's right sounds real yeah um bridgeport's known for for putting out great defensemen they draft well they develop well and the the proof is in the pudding that's right you've seen it especially the last two playoffs um and of course bode wild was injured a little bit last year but the reality is this he is now loaned to sweden

and it's not even the top swedish league it's tier two tier two so you have to know and here's the thing. The reason for that is that he was unvaccinated and he said it on his Instagram page. It's in the comments. He has an Instagram page that is now locked down, by the way, because I'm sure he's received his fair share of harassment, which is also not okay. It could have also been a mandate. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. But he was saying in the Instagram comments, oh no, you need to do your research. All the typical shit that you hear. Lula Amarillo doesn't need to say anything. Lula Amarillo does. And the New York Islanders put out a tweet he's being loaned to a second tier swedish team this is a player who obviously you know we

lost some season like a season or a half season to covid then we then he's injured and he only plays i believe was it 22 games last year 22 games for bridgeport pretty respectable numbers three goals three assists but he's essentially gonna lose a very valuable development season in the AHL, the Islanders see this guy, at least you would think, as a part of the future, as a guy who has all the talents, all the makings of a guy who should be there. And you could argue

that hurts the Islanders. Yes. But that is what Lou Lamorello is willing to do. Lou Lamorello has disciplined players far greater than Bodie Wilde. Many times over. Many, many, many times over. He learned.

Did he learn, though? And here's the thing. I don't question lose decision i think it's i think actually that's what you need to do i don't know if he learned but everyone else did aha there's the rub right there right there it is i'm just so we're clear here's lose rules i'm not gonna wear a suit today i'm leading the team in goals i'm not wearing a suit i guarantee you you lead the islanders in goals you don't wear a suit you're not playing the next game like again it goes back to the lou lamorel conversation we've had a thousand times i'm

not saying uh you know dubas shouldn't be gm or anything no but i'm saying people who point out lou's flaws and there are flaws sure he's made some bad decisions sure you're just you're not getting it with him you're not getting it with him the discipline and respect that he commands in every aspect of life just makes his teams better. They're not always going to win the cup. They're not always even going to make the playoffs, but his record is pretty good.

And he squeezes blood from a stone. Who would have thought when Lou Lamorello took over the Islanders three years ago, that that team is going to have a Vesna winning goalie. They're going to make the second round. And then the next two years after that, in the middle of a pandemic, mind you,

they'd make the third round and almost make the Stanley Cup finals last year. Like a goal away. Defensively minded team that has one of the best goalies in the league in Robert Leonard is going to lose him for nothing and be better. And go further.

That also happened. And also, you know, all the problems that plagued the Islanders. The Brooklyn, we're halfway in situation. That's gone. Oh, you know, the Islanders for years, Nassau Coliseum was like, it was like, well, it's under,

we can't get a new arena. and there's only 13,000 seats. Yes, it's a great barn and yes, everybody loves it in there and yes, Islanders fans are bananas. We can't do this. We can't do that. Luke comes in.

He gets them out of Brooklyn. He gets them back in Nassau. You never hear a single complaint about it. And oh yeah, new arenas are ready for this season. Yep. It's done. Yep.

He just does it. Doesn't say anything. He just does it. And in fact, if you've heard him in an interview, you know he doesn't say anything. Even when he talks, he says nothing.

He says a lot of nothing. he's he's he's very good at um oh god i can't remember he was still with the leafs though and he spoke he spoke a lot like it was it was at least 10 minutes worth of answers and i'm like he didn't say a damn thing in 10 minutes he used words and said nothing when it when it comes to bode wild from everything i have read he should have gone in the first round and there were quote unquote character issues and usually what that means is there's is that really the case that's that's what i've read wow now do i know that no i'm not sam constantino i don't know but because sam knows every draft him and jeff merrick know every draft pick ever and they know where they

grew up and with it you know what i mean they're like the apple geniuses from south park oh yeah and they just exchange information telekinetically mike vito's in there too they just where does mckenzie's list fall into that yeah it's top 100 they just yeah they get together every june and because no mckenzie uh puts steel on his android phone and takes from american concertino that's right um no i'm kidding but but i think i think here is the thing is is that this is not like us um celebrating that this happened to this player this is objectively not good for his development you root for anybody who's that close to the nhl you really want them to win but you have to remember too and lou knows this better than anyone these people that make the nhl

they have been the best player in every single league they've ever played in what that comes with is a little bit of special special treatment if you played hockey growing up if you played any sport growing up even with the coaches you knew the best players were treated a little bit differently and you you work at a corporate environment the highest performers are treated a little bit differently and i think these days you're taught you're special yep uh younger in hockey oh yeah hockey in the gta is such a it's such a thing to watch because you see like eight year olds ten year olds being trucked around like professional athletes essentially and being treated with this this treatment that it's it's really a phenomenon you see it in like uh aau in

the states with these and with these basketball players who who from the age of 13 are just in these schools that are specifically hey your job here is to play basketball not to go to school epl they're signing like 10 year olds yeah and like to the manchester united development school and for us that equivalent here in the gta is hockey at such a young age and it's fascinating to see you shouldn't be able to how is that not illegal well how is that i'm not going to get into that yeah but yeah okay fair enough i don't conversation i don't know you talk to a child psychologist about that i'm not qualified to talk about you guys are going to beat me there when your kids are playing sports and if they're good i can't wait to watch oh man i can't wait to watch

the two of you i i uh i will say this i think um i think sometimes you have to remember and this a lot of people just want to be like ah screw him write him off the guy's a teenager and he's made objectively the wrong decision here and now he's going to pay for it and his development's going to pay for and if he had had a great year in bridgeport he probably in rock rockport in bridgeport he probably you know if they get an injury in the lineup that's the guy they're bringing up and he's going to see someone else take that spot and he's going to know that in sweden he might go in and dominate but is it helping his game he knows that not only is he going to spend this year in tier two in sweden at least for the next little bit until he figures it

out. Maybe if he gets vaccinated, he can come back. I don't know. Not only that, but he knows that when he does come back, it's not like an Islanders job's waiting for him. They're stacked on deep. They're fine. So that means that you've got another year in Bridgeport after this for the decision that you've made. You are not in charge. And a lot of times in minor hockey, the star players, the tail wags the dog. Not here, not under Lou. So I thought that move was absolutely fascinating and another reminder that Lou Lamorello, wherever he is in charge, Lou Lamorello's

in charge. And can I just say, I don't want this guy to be punished. No! I just want him to get vaccinated. I want him to succeed. If Bodie Wilde is vaccinated this hour, Vox Goja, Johnson & Johnson, is he unloaned? No. No. I think he... Maybe.

No. I think if you're Lou, you go, no, no, no. We told you to do it by this date. Maybe he comes back three months in. But I think the the lesson still needs to be i told you to do it by this date you didn't do it by this date damn and also once you've loaned it so like you know you can't just unload i said you can't unload but but all the same i just think you know it's a bummer because this guy probably could have been ready for the nhl by the earliest maybe midway through this season but like next year next year

and you're making then you're making nhl money yeah like even listen i know the rookie deals kind of stink in comparison but if you're a good defenseman like this guy you're making nhl money for three years and then you're going into like yeah you might make two three million bucks a year and then you're like five six seven million life-changing amounts of money probably like your dream yes and you might get five to seven years in the nhl and you might have just shortened it that is that's tough can i can i i don't know if this is pathetic or naive um i part of me feels bad for him certainly he's been given bad information he's been misled yeah because he's a kid because he's a kid but he's an adult and all all the players um that you've heard

these stories about like oh you know all the do your own research guys you go and check their social media and who they're following and it's it's like it's like someone is like like cutting their head open with a pizza cutter opening the cap of their skull and taking a shit into their brain every time they put they poison these people these impressionable people someone who's young like that and it's costing him money and him opportunity and other players money and other people opportunity it's causing it's costing others lives well so and i'm i'm just this is this is why i always i put my head in my hands when this comes up i'm i'm i'm done well you know if it works how come people still if you're vaccinated no no no no fuck it no no

i'm not i'm not i'm not we know i'm not we agree we know all right i want to i want to i want to ask a question that there is an answer to either because you're stupid or it's in bad faith which is it i want to go back to your to your point about feeling bad for him because i think that's an important point because a lot of the things we see online a lot of the misinformation like on especially on facebook on facebook pages and on uh instagram accounts that are targeted to create this misinformation about whatever subject it is it doesn't have to be vaccines a lot of them are run by people who have malicious intent yes either looking to take advantage of you yes and And for the clicks, for the information they'll gather from you, for stirring the pot, for

creating a narrative within society, a lot of these people don't run these accounts and put out this information into the world so that the correct knowledge and news can get out there. We got vaccinated people running anti-vax protests. They do it for ulterior motives. So I think it's a very important point that you said, Steve. you do feel bad for people in these instances because we don't feel like they they're not really doing it out of the um they're not trying to not be vaccinated because that's what they

truly believe it's because they've been led down a certain road by people who are have malicious intents yeah it's just you know it's just it's it drives me nuts man so it drives me nuts so no but i want to i want to continue this discussion with a bigger thing we talk about people being misled right that's a really important point and and let's be straight most nhl players are not well read not well researched hockey's their thing i don't want to assume that well well okay from what i the rep the stereotype of a professional athlete sure that i think it was something i think kareem abdul-jabbar uh was talking in the nba about the stereotype of the dumb jock recently that was this past week right yes okay so this is so this is okay it's based in

some so yeah it's based on something jesse you're right bad to paint with a broad brush so let me take that back and let me start with this we got three players three notable players in the last week that have come out i said uh anti-vax right oh i need to do more research mackenzie blackwood zach ronaldo is not going to play in columbus and then we've got uh tyler butusi who's going to forego something in the neighborhood of four to five hundred thousand dollars depending upon who you check in with nine games in canada that he's not going to play and that's 500 grand he will not get they are all represented by todd reynolds from uptown hockey uptown hockey's todd reynolds is notable for uh tweeting against sean avery something about i think it was 2011 uh that

sean avery is wrong about marriage and even though it's legal gay marriage and even though it's legal it will always be wrong now and also interestingly that is also zach hyman's agent we should i want to throw that out there people said oh well it's all the we we excluded his top client which is zach hyman and i want i want to say this i just think it's funny how i'm not going to insinuate that um i'm not going to insinuate anything beyond that but i definitely think there's smoke there I think that the two are linked and I think and this is just my opinion based on nothing okay based on a little knowledge okay based on asking around a little bit that this that this potential this agent here and now Alan Roy is Bodie Wild's agent I wonder what

he's saying to to Bodie Wild I would love to know what Alan Roy is saying to Bodie Wild Todd Reynolds and Uptown Hockey I would love to know what they're saying to their clients as an agent your job it is your fiduciary responsibility to your client to give them the best advice possible i bet he thinks he is i'm sure he thinks he is but my question is down the road when tyler bertuzzi looks back at his career and goes i can't get that 500 000 bucks back there's potential there for a lawsuit if if this agent is misleading even though he thinks he's doing the right thing if you are if you're actively spread it's just funny how they're all just they just all happen to have the same especially because of the percentage of nhl

players that are unvaccinated it's it's so small a dozen it's it's very small and you've got like a quarter of them exactly like it's a people did make the connection maybe he's just got a lot of clients he doesn't you can check it out he's got he's got like a good amount of clients but just tim and sid used to play a game called uh something there or make a relax something there or make a relax make a relax you know they would say we're gonna make a relax or there's something there it's i realized i was getting very italian a minute ago sorry i was doing the hands and like when you look at this when you lay out the numbers it's not a make or relax it's there's something there i don't know what's there i don't know it sure feels like

there's something there doesn't it and i know that that you know that listen everybody's like you know we're the silent majority who comment on this no you're not you're absolutely you're like five percent of people you just happen to be the loudest people in the room it's it's here's the thing this kind of thing ain't gonna look good in the future you can say it's your personal choice yeah you'd be right it's your personal choice it doesn't mean it's gonna look good it's my body my choice sure you don't have a human right to play hockey or for the new york islanders yeah you don't have a human right to just do whatever you want that's not a human right human right is to like water and and food and you know in the american constitution pursuit of

happiness you can pursue your happiness you just can't pursue it here and i think at the end of the day that there is something up here with some of these people and they've been unfortunately misled and i think eventually those people are going to need to need to be held accountable for that that's what i think this this isn't the only way young hockey players get bad advice oh no for people no but imagine

the effect that an agent who's been with you since you were 14 has in your life I I'm I'm exhausted

okay the stuff no no no okay now a couple of things

that we want to get to um now we've got so the Leafs last night I'm like Pepe from the side I gotta sit down if you watch the Leafs

last night I'm if you're Toronto if you're Toronto fan who watched the Leafs last night why the Blue Jays were on. Right. But Mike,

it was the Michael Bunting show hat trick. And I love that Leafs all day put out a troll tweet like, you know, if Michael Bunting plays with Tavares, it'll be a 30-30-60 season

and he'll make Team Canada. And everybody took him seriously. Which is amazing. But... Do you know how many LOL Leaf fans or dumb tweets are people just

fucking with you? Oh, yeah. Yeah. 100% It's great. It's hilarious. I did want to say it was nice to see Bunting

do that sure does it mean anything he's um he's a good remember they brought in nick robertson for the bubble yeah and he was supposed to be a motivator as a teenager um just by his presence hey look at this see this yep what if this kid takes your spot in the lineup and he tries really goddamn hard right that's michael bunting michael bunting is he's a he's a motivator and he's motivated he's pushing the pace because i was about to say hey do you think he maybe needs to relax because he's like getting into mix-ups after the whistle all the time he's chirping at scott sabran and i'm like that's a bad life choice he's he's doing the the fake punch and made uh thompson flinch i love that on the set i love it too but in the second or third preseason

game man do it and and you know what what did we say last show you're in the shit that you're in no this is no no longer preparing for the playoffs you treat every day you live and breathe like it's the playoffs he did and look at that he got a hat trick and pissed off the entire roster while he did it well of the senators of the of the sense which is a good thing because the senators kind ran the leaf show last year they embarrassed the they it's not even a little like even looking back it's it they really the senators may have had the most harmful effect on the leaf psyche in the regular season last year some of the some of the worst leaf games over the past few years have been against the ottawa senators there was a game there was a it was a and and i distinctly remember it

was a garrett's garrett spark start um that i think they lost 6-2 in ottawa game wasn't even done yet we had company over and i had to leave to take eggy for a walk i i had to take him out i was like i'm gonna strangle this entire roster they blow the 5-1 lead last year oh my god oh my god so it felt good it felt good for me and no brady kachuk for the sends because they're still not agreed right so uh sorry jess uh we should talk about how good peter marazic has been over the course of uh these couple preseason games yeah like and again it's preseason but nothing really even looked close like he didn't those should be easy saves right um the athletic saves are great but they often comes they often come from situations where you're in a position

uh kevin pilar syndrome it there you go very interesting we'll start calling it uh you know certain goalies they managed to fly by the seat of their pants their entire career curtis joseph uh and but it worked dominic hashrick it worked for them um yeah he looked really solid hosang had that great assist i i assume the always the plan was to be 1a and 1b but this kind of just like confirmed it for me just seeing how well he's played like okay both these guys are gonna play 41 each which is great whatever it lays out to be which is ideal yeah and maybe they won't get injured because remember last year what a juggler hey you'll you'll see that in the uh all or nothing documentary how quickly both goalies were down yeah you can't run Campbell out there the way

you ran Freddie out there and you shouldn't have run Freddie out there the way you ran Freddie out there because he played two full years not healthy yeah and then look at what happened he had a good preseason game um 36 of 37 i thought this this was this is a quote from sheldon keep and i thought this is the most important that i've heard of training camp so far david comp he said i will run david comp out there against anyone and then he added that it will help him manage tabaris and matthews minutes so it's pretty good chance and luke fox is talking about on sports that.ca this morning one of his articles that you're going to see some of those star players numbers go down in not not in terms of like what they score but their ice time minutes because it was up for

Tavares and Matthews last year around like 23 24 minutes sometimes I think it's a situational thing because Matthews actually carried like a lot of the defensive load oh he was very good yeah and against the Bruins they were running Tavares and Marner out there and Hyman to to cover the defensive load they have not had a shutdown line and kerfoot was like the third line center that's not a shutdown guy no yeah he's fine you can use him in many situations but is that is is that the guy that you're like patrice bergeron's really gonna struggle with alex kerfoot you know what i mean and i liked him and he did well in the playoffs it's not that yeah and i think i think alex kerfoot would tell you that yeah i think in this case i want to score goals so we know and i

Listen, I know Mikheyev wants to score goals. He'll get chances. Whether or not he can bury them is up to him. But with Kampf and Mikheyev, you know, Mikheyev with his Zdeno Chara-sized stick, Kampf with his ability to win face-offs. It's all I can see now. And, you know, we were all like, who the hell is this? But the more I read on him, the more, like, Blackhawks fans are like, no, you're wrong.

You're objectively wrong. Who's the other winger going to be, though? That's the question I wanted to ask. Who do you put on that line? I don't know. it's looking like kasha now kasha kasha's played what like less than 20 games in the last couple years he's been injured or whatever he's he did score 20 goals once you got to make decisions very quickly in the preseason and i think i'm about one more period of hockey away from not

even bothering to pay attention to nikita gusev what no you got to make decisions very he's not even the best pto they have he's who's better hosang or guzav hosang looked good in the in the games he's played and he's probably not even gonna make it so goodbye i i saw a tweet how did this guy light up the khl the khl at 44 points like five minutes ago where did he go where did it all go it could have just been a rough two games in the preseason you can't have a rough two years it's been a so i with david conf the leafs will not shut up about him they talk about him at every opportunity they love this human being kyle dubas loves this human being sheldon keith loves this human being they put an a on his shirt last night he was an assistant captain yes

it was a preseason game he had an a on his shirt he um he got 1.5 million in this in this market which is it's tough uh for two years so we got a little bit of term and 1.5 million 235 games in the nhl fellas i've never heard of this human being before he signed a contract with the leaves i'm embarrassed to say it i talked to a bunch of people last night who cover hockey or they're huge hockey fans one of us knew who he was before he signed with the leafs because of bgm mode in nhl 21 oh cool so none of us knew who he was except for one who knew him from a video game how did we miss him video game is also low-key a good way to scout it's an amazing way to learn hockey yeah yeah it's especially fantasy mode where you just do

a draft and you get up oh yeah i promise you if my neighbor across the street did not get me nhl 99 for christmas in 1990 i suppose it would have been eight when i was 10 years old i wouldn't be sitting here right now and i wouldn't have my job i promise you i wouldn't have i wouldn't have had such an intimate knowledge of christian leflem right with a hammer next to his name in nhl 2000 because it threw big hits and in nhl 2001 i wouldn't have picked patrick shelberg in every fantasy draft because he had the stick and all he had to do was get peter forsberg with the first pick he sends a cross crease to shelberg it's a goal every time 73 goals he can't be stopped patrick sharp was always a ufa in when you start for like three because he didn't officially

announces retirement so he's always available and you're just like i'm gonna sign him he's still at 81 alexander selivan off oh yeah oilers will remember him oh yeah the guy was that he was a really great third line scorer you need a goal in a pinch once had 15 for me in nhl 2000 and i'm gonna trade for keith carney oh because he's got a hammer yep and he's gonna and he's got the i'm a tough guy goatee which was a tough guy style at the time for sure and i don't know how we all miss this guy is it because no one cares about the shutdown players on a bad team i think that's probably fair because the black it's his job to care it's dubious job to care it's not our job to care yeah but like we you wouldn't look at the players who are designated to be shut down guys on

a team that's not in the playoffs you wouldn't look at them and be like they're they must be great at their job right because it's like we didn't shut anybody down we didn't shut anybody down you lost yeah but that's not the way you should look i we all we all miss this guy yep we all miss this guy i'd never heard of this human being 26 years old undrafted um i think a great number of people were wrong about david kampf yep yep well hold on it's the preseason right oh well the two goals he has that's literally not why he's here um last night Mark Giordano scored the Kraken win

Jaden Schwartz I forgot Jaden Schwartz was Kraken yes and it was weird I'm only bringing this up for one reason first I was good

to see Gio score he said after the game it was kind of nice to get that out of the way in the preseason rather than the regular season but it was weird to me because he had to like

do his lap of like his victory lap of like hey saluting the fans he's going to have to do that again during a regular season is he not yeah that doesn't count

I know So, I sort of wish they hadn't played in Calgary because Giordano had to go, thank you. And then when the regular season happens, then it's like, Mark Giordano night. Well, it would have been weird had he not done that, right? Because all the fans in that building that night are not going to necessarily be in the next. It's nice that he did. Calgary fans do very well by their former players, right? You saw Jerome McGinley, they roll out the red carpet.

Which time? is yeah i know boston colorado it was a very long uh farewell tour for yeah but they he's you could put that on the back of a band t-shirt he's the jerome aguilera farewell one tour colorado boston pittsburgh the five minutes he was a king that's that's how i got on uh coach's corner when he fought i think it was derrick england when he was still aflame. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I think he had a Gordie Howe hat trick in his return to... seventh return to Calgary. And everyone went, hey! They lost it. That's very funny. He's beloved and Giordano's beloved.

I think we should make that band t-shirt. Every time Jerome McGillis played in Calgary as an opponent. That's a great... We should honestly sell that online. And if he's got a charity, we'll donate some proceeds. He must have a foundation.

He must. How long is the list? The Jerome McGinley's disappeared forever foundation because he's never seen in public ever. Oh, yeah. He goes, apparently goes and hides in the mountains, or he used to go and hide in the mountains in the... Every off-season. Every off-season, he was just gone. Yeah, no, you cannot get a hold of him because there's no reception.

Yeah, like it's, yeah, he disappears. What a guy. How about we start a foundation called the Fine Jerome McGinley Foundation? Where in the world is Jerome McGinley? I like that one better. this is go with the second fair enough okay um and we will donate to that and we'll go to somewhere something good anyway listen um lastly before we get to the uh before we get the blue jays um nhlpa wants to loosen the game day dress code the only team that's actually allowing for

this right now is the coyotes they're allowing their players to dress however they want coming to the rink and the whole idea here you know the the whole dressing the same thing comes from a time in the last century when that was considered very important and and do not underestimate the effect of and this is you're gonna you're gonna roll your eyes at me here world war one and world war two on everything in our society i was gonna say it too it's you know well you're in the military and you're in the military at a young age and it's you got to do this you got to cut your hair you got to shave your face you got to everybody's going to look we're all in this together that sort of thing it's that is a mentality that you still see but you got to

remember back then and en masse men enlisted and women went and worked either in the military or in the factories that's what happened right and so at the time that would have permeated that got you at a very very important time in your life you're 16 17 18 19 years old um and you're very impressionable it just would have been normal it would have been normal and everybody was doing it And that's why, you know, when the 60s come along and the kids of the World War II generation who are now turning 20 are going like, yeah, we're going to grow mustaches and long hair. And everybody's like, I am offended. That's what people were offended by back then. There's a reason for that.

Quit shaking your hips. And one of the holdovers from that in the NHL, which is obviously pretty conservative and super slow on this stuff, is, well, you got to show up to the rink all dressed in a suit. Lou Lamborello. do i think breaking none of the islanders are still in the nhl yeah yeah so the nhl is going to or the nhlpa is going to ask for that restriction to be put away now i'm sure it will be up to individual teams what they want to do like i know for the yankees you play for the yankees there's no facial hair they're like no beard anyway i think you can do a mustache no beard and you cut your hair like even randy johnson cut his mullet to play for the yankees

There's that one pitcher who has a mustache, so I think you're right about that. Garrett Cole, I think it is, right? Isn't it Garrett Cole? No, it's another guy. It's one of those things that's going to be very, very interesting because inevitably, you know, the NHL is going to let this go. They're not going to be like, we're mandating suits. The NBA got rid of it. I think the MLB has gotten rid of it.

Yeah, no, no. Pretty sure they don't show no suits. And so the NHL will get rid of this. I think this is going to happen. and then but i'm curious about not that it's not overdue but why this why now and that's what's going to be interesting is is i want to know i want to talk to the nhlpa and go this has clearly become a major issue in the last few years why didn't this happen 10 years ago and why is it happening now i'd love to know more about that there has to be you know if the nhl's put the

nhlpa is pushing for this there's obviously enough star players going i'm done with this yeah i forgive me for bringing it down but hey remember all the times we were like where is the nhlpa on this where is the nhlpa on that but most players are like i don't want to wear a suit anymore oh guess what gary no more fucking suits and then they get their big boy pants on and they have something to say right but when it gets i don't know it gets to a serious issue again i don't know yeah we don't hear from time yeah the nhl must see the nba specifically in that they've been able to monetize really be the nba players walking to the arena it is now it's a it's essentially a fashion show for the players who are celebrities in pop culture like the big names like

westbrook and lebron and all them they wear certain brands and they get posted on these instagram accounts with their outfits walking into the arena so i assume the nhl players like matthews who is on the cover of gq and sees all of these things and how the other leagues are doing it those guys must speak up and be like hey there's an opportunity here for us to become bigger names and and use this use this little walk up that we do every every game to hundreds of thousands sometimes millions of people that why can't we not wear a suit it's one of the worst things the ufc did all these all these athletes had all these different advertisements that helped fund their training and the ufc just sort of went okay well you can't do that anymore

and here's a little check i'm sure matthews wants to wear a drew house hoodie on the way to the arena money for it and maybe he has a deal there where he gets paid like elliot said earlier in the show even though he wasn't here he said it through his words hit him in the pocketbook when your pocketbook starts to be affected by that you can't wear you know what was it that the nfl stopped uh was it russell wilson from wearing beats headphones or something like that yeah on uh for when they're warming up before the uh before the game it's a big show it's a big to do in america to film the pre-game in the nfl like you always show the players throwing the passes running down the field doing the sprints and then now they've they've completely relaxed all the

rules on that so guys wear like custom shoes that they're not allowed to wear during the game they have a bunch of logos on them and then it was really started when guys started wearing the beats headphones because beats paid everyone to wear beats headphones for like a five-year period every celebrity in the industry was wearing beats that's why you should you should watch that dr dray and jimmy ivy documentary because they talk about that oh do they fourth episode of it on an hbo actually a fascinating documentary even if it's a little bit older anyway sorry yeah yeah so yeah so that that became a controversy because everybody started wearing beats headphones the nfl is like we're not getting a cut of this you can't just be getting paid to wear headphones

and then eventually all those rules were relaxed because imagine an organization that pulls in like 40 billion a year going yeah we're really upset that we missed on that right part of the part of the reason i i kind of laugh at the oh we can't have logos on helmets we can't have logos on on jerseys and stuff i've i've been part of uh commercial shoots that commercial i did with mark savard and i have on all my equipment and i got on a jersey and i got a stick and everything but they had to put tape on all the logos because you can't just use another company uh logo in in a commercial the i was pulling tape off my shit for months like just forgetting oh i didn't rip this piece off i didn't rip that piece you don't realize how many logos you're wearing in any given

time yeah next time you you get dressed up for hockey count them all count it's dozens well and that's why everybody who gets mad about the jersey ads and the helmet ads what do you think ccm is like whatever somebody tweets me and i was gonna tweet this out i was gonna be a total shit but i was like do i need to deal with the headache everybody who bitched and whined and complained about the jersey patch being on the do you know do you remember like the the 80s jersey said nike on The 90s jersey said CCM and Bauer on them. The 2000s jerseys had, I think, CCM and Bauer. They had five-year contracts.

Reebok for a while. Reebok for a while. What do you think? It's a CCM, iTech, all of it. Adidas now. Jofa. We know Helmet. Ken Reed wears a Wayne Gretzky Jofa helmet.

Go look at any goalie. Yeah. And you guys are mad about a little patch on a jersey? It says Adidas already. What's the problem? The equipment is already branded. No, I can't watch the game. I can't focus with Scotiabank on the helmet.

I'm not saying... Even though it's all over the ice. I'm not saying like Ed Belfort's iconic eagle mask, you put Coldwell Banker over top of it. I'm not saying that. That's an interesting choice, but okay. Yes, I don't... It's a real estate thing.

I tried to pick the most boring company I can think of. Coldwell Banker. I don't even know what that is. It sounds boring, right? But you know it's boring. can they do accounting for me uh maybe they're probably capable of it but it's not their job right you know like it's one of their if they got fired from that job they could do that if they wanted to anyway i've just yeah next time you're playing hockey count how many logos you have uh

it was staggering to me even the stick the stick i was holding i'm like there's five Warrior logos on this stick. Yes. And like, oh yeah. There was, we had to even pause a couple times. I'm like, oh, we missed one. Well, that's cool that the NHLPA decided to step up on this issue.

Yep. And I look forward to them stepping up on more. Are we done for the year then? What did you quickly want to say on the Blue Jays, guys? Hooray! They won. And maybe by the time you watch this, they've lost. I don't know.

This season, I couldn't believe it when I asked you. I'm like, wait, by the time we have our next show, will their season be done? Yeah, season will be over. Their regular season will be done. There's only, what, four, five games left? I think it's four. Four, yeah. So Steve and I were talking yesterday because I have never had faith in this Blue Jays team coming down the stretch.

i i think they're they're too young and too inexperienced and there's too many instances where they they had that beautiful stretch and then there's one game in between where they just they have this toronto blue jays team because i think of their age um has toronto maple leaf syndrome where they they blow games where when they're having a little hot streak there's there's the tuesday night where the the rays come in or they're in tropicana and they can't win a single game you know like and i just i never thought they they were gonna close out this little stretch here like the uh 2012 jays did where they had their post uh trade deadline stretch where they ran into the playoffs and that was unbelievable 2015 2015 sorry i never thought this jay's team would

to be able to close this out and that they're still one season away from being the playoff contenders this this i'm gonna use chris johnson's word the juggernaut with their bats that they can be and having robbie ray come back at an enormous contract that's going to be disgusting for eight years um and make the playoffs right but i didn't i didn't believe in this team and then you told me shut up because they choked on like a five two lead or something yesterday it happened but it It was great. So I saw the score and I was like, nope, nope, nope. Going to keep watching the Leaf game.

Nope. And then the Leaf game ended and I switched channels and I got to see Bo Bichette hit a home run and everything was fine. It was 5-2 and then it was 5-5. And then Bo Bichette had to hit a home run to make up for it. According to me, Toronto teams won 5-0. It was 4-0 for the Leafs and the Jays won 1-0.

That's how I choose to remember that. i want to say two completely opposite things one part of me is like if they don't start the season in buffalo there isn't a chance in hell they miss the playoffs the other part that's a great point the other part there's no chance yeah the other part of me says what i said about the 2017 leafs because it was getting towards the end it looked like they were gonna make the playoffs and people are like okay they finished last last year will you be mad if they miss the playoffs because there's still a young team going through growing pains and what i said was yes i will absolutely be mad because they're in a playoff spot right now and if they miss it's because they

lost it and i feel a little bit like that for the jays who again they start the season in buff or in toronto no chance they missed the playoffs no chance but they were in it things happened the way they did they were in it and now they're out yep so it's it's very and and the the other thing it's so tight the other thing i wanted to acknowledge about the blue jays and when they're good it's a different feeling as opposed to the raptors and the leafs because with the leafs you get you get the biggest fan base obviously but you have the other side where people hate the leafs and they don't believe in it and it's just a tortured fan base and it's not it's not exactly fun when the leafs are doing good but and then the raptors they're not as big as the other teams and it's

kind of it takes the raptors getting to like the conference finals for people to be like oh the raptors are doing stuff you don't really get the lead into the playoff they also get coverage yeah it's a bummer with the rappers man i i like they they just do not get the coverage that their fans deserve yes the leafs kill it and the blue jays are a force of nature and in terms of pull in the city of raptor three i yeah yeah but i don't know that that's going to stay that way for a long time i i agree but i'm telling you that's what i think why they ought to be raptors number one so then when the blue jays are good you have this universal acceptance from the entire country really it's it's an incredible thing to see because and especially the time of year or two because like when the

raptors and leafs are going at it they're going at the same time and here in this little postseason area with the mlv exists and the jays when they're doing well you see everybody care about it and it's the most important thing in the city at the moment when they're good and it's it's great that we're back here and i think it's going to be like a probably a five year run with this squad because of how much leg room they got here with everybody's contracts and their ages so it's going to be really fun i just don't think that this is the year they also have a rich owner yeah and that that helps teddy uh and i chose sorry please please i was gonna say it shows how damaged the leafs brand is because like they make the playoffs who's even excited like you i'm nervous

i'm upset i'm already like i was upset before game one i'm like guys i don't know about montreal you guys are like nah don't worry i feel physically ill like but the jays make the playoffs it's it's a it's a feeling in the city that i remember from when i was a kid about the leafs when they would go several rounds deep like it's it's a roller coaster of emotion it's but a good one but the city it feels like everyone's your friend you know everyone in the world the city feels that it's an overused and abused word alive the city feels so alive and this is something that the leafs have to overcome even in an empty fucking building apparently where they feel the weight of being the leafs the jays it's like all the fans there are to cheer them on and then with

the leafs it's like everyone's there to watch you not fail yeah it's sure hope you don't fail this one dick it's what it is let's go jays versus come on you fucking bums literally let's do this again god damn it that's exactly it there was a little bit of that for the raptors when when jamar and lowry got destroyed in four games by um when it turned into lebronto even well that was that was a bad feeling jamar was kicked out of the third or the fourth last game in toronto he didn't make the last five minutes like he wasn't on the court kicked out no but even when they won the championship they're up three one and they lose game five and everyone goes oh fuck oh fuck and then before clay thompson got hurt oh fuck when kd came back for one game

oh shit and then uh danny green gives it away oh my god that was that was there wasn't golden state warriors fans would be in the same position and be like come on you can do this and raps fans were just like jesus christ i can't even watch but you know what they did it they did it they did it and now but now the new it's it's almost like them winning a championship allows them to move on you know what i mean the leafs they can't they can't move on i uh i want to quickly mention here um the story too about milwaukee uh brewers pitcher devin williams he was placed on the 10-day il with a fractured right hand he had too much to drink on sunday after they celebrated making the playoffs oh no he got upset about something and punched a wall

and broke his pitching hand he will need surgery and will probably miss the entire playoffs that sucks is he good i don't know but he's on the team that made the playoffs who cares if you're good that sucks yeah that sucks all better players than him have done that yes lebron james after game one i want to make sure we have enough time to do ahc so let's get into the press conference yeah i'll hit the button all right let me hit the button the presser s d p the steve dangle press conference and a good reminder that all of the resources that you'll need for national truth and reconciliation day in canada and you know what doesn't matter if you're from canada listening from canada 40 of our audience is not from canada not listening from canada that always

shocks people who are like what you're not a canadian only show absolutely not not even close on the internet not even close yeah uh this is international it always has been but i appreciate you saying that this internet thing's gonna stick around so if you're and i know our our listenership in the united states is very socially aware as well so if you want to see some of those resources please check them out uh underneath the video in this uh you can see it on the sdpn sports uh twitter page we're going to get it up on instagram and let me just talk about this quickly um jesse asked for a residential school system i did talk about this um so i'm going to abbreviate this but the reality of it is this the the canadian government when it first formed had what they

saw as an issue you have a country that essentially is a collection of disparate british colonies you've got prince edward island you've got quebec which is you know already got an issue there because there's two nations right there's the the french canadians and then there's the then there's the english speaking from newfoundland joined canada in like the 40s 49 like 49 1940s yes um so uh and then you've got you know what used to be lower canada which is now ontario upper canada sorry upper canada was ontario lower canada was quebec then you have prince edward island and uh nova scotia new brunswick a lot happening and then on the other side of the continent you've got British Columbia and the whole thing was in the first five years

how do we get a railway a track across that and so the Canadian government goes we have all these problems already I got a whole bunch of different nations it's not a more uniform nation like the the mother country at the time which was England and and and people by the way will argue that because England is its own nation but so is Wales and so is Ireland and so is Scotland so the question is what do we do with the indigenous people that were already here they are living a lifestyle that is different from the christian white lifestyle and way of doing business frankly it's much different from our way of life we are in control here and we don't know what to do so they get together and they think well if we educate them

in a school system that is like ours like the ones we grew up in and we make it free and we pull them away from all of the traditions of their forebearers then they can integrate into society and eventually one day their culture just won't exist and you'll have a far more integrated and frankly i think the term is homogeneous society where you have that's what they were going for and that was very much an attitude of yeah homogeneous homogenous whatever yeah the the that was very much the attitude at the time nationalism uh by the way peaked in the probably in the early 1900s with, you know, right before World War I. Nationalism was very important at that time. We have a national identity. We stand for this and that makes

us better than you, France, and better than you, Austria-Hungary, and better than you, Russia. And by the way, all those European countries all felt the same way about England as well. And Canada adopted a lot of that because it was a lot of people born in England who were the ruling class here. So obviously that creates another problem for them, which is, oh, we're broke we're a government that's literally broke it's tough to collect taxes this is not a wealthy country really isn't there are some wealthy merchants but it's not a wealthy country and it's sparsely populated it's got less than five million people so your tax base isn't great so how do we create a system a free system of schooling because they can't go to the indigenous

people and go you have to pay for the schooling because they'll say uh with what right and so if you want to get people into this school you got to make it free and you don't have any money to make it free so what do you do you turn it over to the catholic church you turn it over to the anglican church and multiple other different churches that exist within canada at the time majority catholic uh but that doesn't take the other parts of christianity and the churches that represent are represented by that off the hook right yes it's majority catholic but that doesn't mean that the anglicans weren't just as responsible it just happened to be more catholic schools and catholicism as you know has a history of going into other cultures and saying

but this is the book yes right that's their that's the mandate of catholicism so um long story short they pull they start pulling people out of their tribes pulling people out of their homes their villages their communities their communities and they strip them of the ability to even speak the language they've grown up with so imagine you're six or seven years old you don't see your parents for years you're brought to a school that's underfunded you are underfed you cannot speak your language you have to speak this new language and here's the thing the schools were underfunded so did they teach them any skills that would i don't know actually be useful in a town like York, which later became Toronto, or the big metropolis at the time,

Montreal, or the second big metropolis, Quebec City? Absolutely not. They didn't teach them things that were usable. They might have to repair the school or something and learn some basic carpentry skills. But it's not as though these schools set them up for success in white society. So then you've got the option of when you graduate, if you graduate, if you survive, You go to Quebec, Montreal, York, Ottawa, and everybody looks at you. They're all racist. I think racism, they say that racism probably peaked in the late 1800s, early 1900s. That's when racism was at its all-time high and, in fact, celebrated in most countries.

So these whites are going, I'm not going to hire you. You're native. You're indigenous, and you have no skills, and you can't speak properly. you must be stupid i'm sure they use words other than indigenous 100 yeah absolutely and they would they would have said to them well you're and and so what it did was it created this environment where they were undereducated underskilled so people thought they were lazy and stupid when really they weren't lazy and stupid they were not trained they weren't taught and they weren't taught and they weren't fed properly and that's really important because if you don't feed

a child properly they cannot learn if they can't sleep and they can't eat and they don't get the right nutrients they're not going to grow properly and their brain is not going to develop properly so we've already done that so then some of these people after they graduate they go to the cities they find all this out okay some of these people once they leave the residential schooling system they go back to their tribes well what happens there they don't speak the language properly they're of their own of their of their forebears the government has you know has these people on reserves. It's not like they're funding them properly, not much to do. And they don't feel like they're a part of their tribal family. They go back to these tribes and they have missed

eight, nine, 10 years of development. You think about where you were at five years old to where you were at 15 years old, how much change occurs in your life. Now imagine you're stripped from your family at five and then you're thrown back in with them at 15. How well do you know your mom and dad how well do you know your aunts and uncles how well do you know your family traditions so what happened with these people is they found that they were living between two societies and never fitting in either of them and they spent their whole lives like that isolated poor under trained not valued spit on and it's it's it's just and i am i am so condensing this and this happened for years and years and years the last residential schools in

in on or in in canada i believe closed in 1995 1995 i know we we talked about that before i can't i honestly can't freaking believe it so and then of course what else happens when you've got a bunch of children and two or three adults in the middle of the woods and no oversight abuse kids dying what do they find 700 people at one of the schools 500 at another they're doing they're doing flyovers now with digital imaging they're able to look into the ground and find bodies 700 at one school sometimes malnourishment they just died sometimes they were beaten to death some they were absolutely sexually abused in many cases we know that's an issue with religion in In organized religion, we know, especially with the Catholic Church, there is inherent problems, as we've seen recently, with people being in positions of power and taking advantage of it when it comes to children, especially when it comes to abuse and sexual abuse.

The number, and I was going to say this off the top when you were talking about it being a Canadian and American issue, the number between Canada and bodies they've found in the States is at 6,509. Wow. So together, that's the total number so far? So far. so far and remember there was hundreds of these schools but one school having 700 bodies bodies and here's the problem the catholic church now refuses to release the records and that is an order that comes from rome that's that's the canadian version of the catholic church the canadian arm takes their orders from rome the roman catholic church does not want this coming out

They don't want to know. They have the records. They're not releasing them. Our prime minister said, I'm disappointed in the church. I'm disappointed. But they have a lot of sway. They have a lot of money. And they have a lot of political power.

And from what I understand, those records have not been released. I think maybe there was some talk that they were going to buckle on that issue. But this is like, imagine, right? Imagine this is you. It's an inadequate response from the prime minister. Absolutely. And it's completely – and the thing is there's so many problems in the world right now that a lot of these people and these organizations hope that you forget. And that's why we have this day.

Truth and Reconciliation Day is there for us to stand aside, listen to people that have been through the residential schooling system because they're still alive. They're like younger than our parents. and um and so listen to them record their stories for posterity so that when they you know it's like we've we've done this with war veterans we've got all the stories from the world war one veterans right none of them around anymore but we have their stories we need to do the same right now with the elders and in the indigenous community who have gone through this and we need to make sure that if we are going to reconcile and truly make the canada that we have been sold on we were sold growing up in our schools that Canada was for everybody that, you know, the United States

was a melting pot. Everybody comes here and you bring your culture, but you become American when you come here. Canada, the, the idea was from the seventies about onwards is that you came here, but you retained your culture and your differences. And we celebrated that except for this community, this community, this community, this community, this community. And you can name multiple communities that felt that way it's so important that we become the canada that we aspire to be we are not the canada that we thought we were we are not the canada not even close to that if we want to become that days like today are days where we do not forget what happened here and it's not even just the elders right no the last school closed in 1995

yeah we're 33 we had already been in school for several years in 1995 and you were about to start school i think yeah yeah that's so there are there are people our age and those people are survivors because of what those schools were like those people today should be looked at as survivors of the residential school system because of how horrific it was right so important that important that you you understand that there are many funds including the most notably the downy winjack fund um you know there's kids that that that that that left and escaped and tried to get home and died you know there's so many stories of tragedy here and this is a country that sells itself internationally as a peacekeeping nation we

love all people well we got to be that at home first we got to look in our own backyard and this is the day to do that so again we ask you um you know if you don't have any money to donate that's fine do some research read a little bit it's going to be a tough read it's not going to be easy it's hard and the reason people resist this is because it's hard the reason people go oh it's not that bad or they diminish it and they do by the way many do oh i i saw one oh all those kids died of tuberculosis oh okay oh no that's oh phew i was worried it was like what the yeah your point about what are you trying to forgetting that i feel is so important because the way the media cycle works with things today everything moves so quickly and like this

could have been a like oh hot button issue i believe it was june when they start this really start to ramp up we talked about it the first time when we talked about the first time they're searching for all the it could have been something that we moved on from but now and how it like it now it's about commitment to not forgetting and to keep acknowledging keep doing the hard work and not forgetting because there's so so many things happen now because of how global news is in the internet and how everyone's connected that we can't just move on from this issue it needs to be something that is acknowledged constantly and there's constantly being work done and we're always listening to the stories and that's why this day itself is important because at least

there's something marked on the calendar yes you know yeah and we do and then we do the work in between the the 364 days in between that we do the work and then it comes back around at least at least there's something there on the calendar for you not to forget or you could run a campaign based on what are we going to keep the flag at half mass forever okay that's a thing is that that's 100 a thing that happened this past federal election what are what are we going to feel bad forever yeah that's not your feelings let's not do that no don't do that no it's i'm just saying don't do that don't argue don't argue with the comments don't stop pre-arguing so listen um uh please check out the resources that robert mulloy so kindly sourced um and thank

you so much for listening to the show thank you for taking the time to listen to this again i know that that's like i know we'd all rather sit here and listen to steve say something funny i really do i get that uh but we do have to take time and make time for this as well and and and i think as we go forward this show's commitment this network's commitment is to be the best that we can possibly be it doesn't mean we won't screw up too but i also will say we we are committed to this it's important to us it's important to you we realize that as you as our listener base and we really appreciate you taking the time to listen and understand and explore not just these issues about other issues as well but today it's this and thank you so much for listening to the steve

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