The Steve Dangle Podcast - Caring | April 19, 2021

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, STEVE IS UPSET (00:00), who wore the crown? (19:00), does Steve care more about the Leafs than Adam & Jesse? (25:00), Patrick Marleau ties the record for most games played in NHL history (31:30), checking in on the race between the Dallas Stars & Nashville Predators in the Central Division (43:00), has John Tortorella run out of time? (45:00), did the Leafs lose the Kadri deal? (57:00), checking in on the rest of the league standings (1:01:00), do the Leafs have a goaltending issue (1:12:00), and football's new Super League (1:27:00). Originally aired: April 19, 2021 Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://www.getroman.com/ed/ https://delltechnologiespodference.com/ https://ca.manscaped.com/ https://ca.magicspoon.com/ Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake hello to everybody except for alexander edler who uh has never done anything wrong in his life never never learned that i i have never seen a more pointless hockey player in a more pointless game do something so stupid listen I know Adam does. Calling Edler a pointless hockey player is a little absurd. He's pointless. He leads the Canucks in every defenseman's stat for their franchise history. Doesn't matter.

He's stupid. History. History. Like, franchise history. He certainly is historic. Miss me with your facts, Jesse. Hey. To quote Mike Rupp, you're irrelevant out here.

Just the worst. there's a reason edler's making what edler's making it might be the last year of his deal but the guy was pretty pretty flippant important um but also is known for certain things and uh like being nice yeah occasionally he uh gets a knee out and it's a bummer it's such a bummer to see that happen and obviously it was so funny going into the the game yesterday because there there were so so many mixed feelings and it just felt like the least we're gonna lose like any time another team has some sort of um something on the line the Leafs go you know what we're just going to give it to you uh it's shocking it they lose every game where there's

like an emotional win for the other side of the team and like and I don't know why that is it just seems to be a franchise thing not just this iteration every iteration I know why why um and it's related to a topic that we're going to discuss later in the show the big soccer hubbub the hullabaloo um did you see gary neville sky sports he was angrily talking about all these teams breaking off and doing their own champions league which we'll talk about later and he referred to them as bottle merchants i don't know and i was just like that's exactly the sort of british nonsense i would expect to hear in a conversation about that well so i i saw an article and it was basically just full of people like myself going what mr neville is a bottle merchant so with some

football fans searching for a meaning behind gary neville's term others came to the rescue one twitter user explained a bottle a bottle merchant is a coward someone who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk another example followed it's usually used to describe a team who regularly can't handle high pressure matches no who gets themselves into a position of winning something but then screws up oh yep that's you honor pride courage bottle merchant i'm gonna have to have jesse explain the the whole the the super league thing later on in the show because i think we need to discuss it but in the meantime alex bottle merchant edler you can you can go to heck sir i am bummed about zach hyman but you know like i see that i see what edler did and i don't actually

think like it was one of those where it was blatant but it wasn't like wasn't the most egregious thing i've ever seen in my life does that make sense i like bx's explanation in the intermission there because he said that no nhl player would intentionally try and need someone because you don't know the impact of the knee that's going to happen to yourself like it can you don't know who's going to get the worst of that knee collision so it could be yourself so you wouldn't want to go out

and just knee somebody I'm not buying it fully because I seen hockey players try and do it intentionally get a slew foot in there but it makes sense that you wouldn't try and just hit somebody with your knee because it could be worse for you well and so this this is I don't care if I get heat for this I don't

give a shit um what what am i gonna get like benefit of the doubt from canucks fans get out of here um listen it's it is a danger to play a team that hasn't played in a month now not for losing the leaf should have won let's start there and say that right off the hop playing a team that hasn't played in a month you are in danger you're putting yourself into a vulnerable position because they're gonna do sloppy stupid nonsense like that oh he was at the end of a long shift i don't know what to tell you you're in the nhl game played on an nhl ice surface the game had begun and you were on the roster you didn't have to be

um and you stuck your knee out and took out a very important player i don't know what to tell you so like even if there's no intention having a player that out of practice and that sloppy it's a danger to the players on the other team and he injured zach hyman as a result and how bad do we know anything yet no supposedly dragger supposedly dragger said it's probably or it doesn't seem like uh it's as bad as it looked but that is the knee that hyman had surgery on um that kept him out for the beginning of last season well the logical thing to do that in the playoffs is to start him on every penalty kill shift as the centerman don't you think whoever we play i think that's what we should do i love how there are so many examples

of babcock's utter shitheadery that come up on a daily basis to get mad at every time let's go head-to-head with patrice bergeron in the face-off dot anything to do with hyman's knee uh anything to do with spezza just just get out of here oh my god it's crazy now now uh with all due respect to vancouver canucks fans pretty great win if you're a fan of the canucks and if you're a dressing room uh if your dressing room is somewhat maybe a little out of sync which there have been a few suggestions that maybe the canucks dressing room is uh boy does this ever reunite your team this is a this is a win you can build around and even even if they don't make the playoffs which it doesn't look like they will one thing that they'll always look back on is this

game and they'll build on this game going into training camp next season it's something that boat if i'm bo horvat i'm like this is this this proves that we can do it and then all we need to do is execute and i apologize for my snide canucks fans comment it's just the trolls canucks fan trolls have energy unmatched by any other fan base are you sure i think i think it has to do with yo yeah just the trolls i think it has something to do with the time zones because they have the energy they'll go late into the night and then it dies for a little bit and then what happens around 10 or 11 eastern is they all wake up and they go right back at it right back at it i was my mentions were still flooded this morning and i'm like do anything but what you're doing

drink some water fold your clothes good lord live a life yep anyway yes very inspiring win by the canucks and it was amazing that bo horvat was the one who scored the goal uh the captain it's just a little bit too perfect don't you think a little too disney movie yeah i think Like, we should, the Leafs fans who are calling it a David Ayers, like, loss yesterday. Like, that's a little aggressive. We need to save the pants pooping for games that actually matter.

Well, no. Like, this wasn't the time to have the meltdown. The team is 10-4-1 in the last 15 games. And I think their second and expected goals for in the entire league. And they dominated. for yeah but they dominated last night in every single advanced metric and they got they got uh beat by a really hot goalie they got a goal taken back like it was it wasn't a bad game

and you walk away with a point they play a lot of good goalies it's a lot of good goalies it's entirely really good goalies in this league you know what's good is in the playoffs all the goalies suck i think it's entirely possible that one team walks away and goes okay it was a loss the other team goes that was our motion most emotional victory of the season it's entirely possible that both teams do not have equal and opposite reactions to that and you know austin matthews had 12 slot chances last night yeah he was real good what are the chances what are the chances that that that happens in a game and he doesn't score three a hundred percent that it happens to the leafs though well that's not true stop talking numbers with the leafs stop

talking numbers with the leafs they don't apply they do not apply you don't give up three goal leads in the third period of a game seven you don't lose to an e-bug you don't lose to a team after out shooting them and they haven't played for a month yes yes and yes it's the least always steve you can't we can't have a conversation about the game if you're not gonna be rational about this isn't called the rational guy podcast god i mean i thought it was i just think i just think with there's like what how many games we got to the playoffs 10 games 10 games too many playoffs it's just this wasn't the one where it's like ah let's get all mad about it let's get mad when they lose in the playoffs when will it be when when the games actually matter

they go 0-13 before the playoffs you're not mad you're making up a scenario where it would be reasonable to get mad get mad so there's one alright they go 1-12 alright they go 2-10

how many wins do you need what but 10-4-1 isn't enough to be happy I think it is more than enough I've had this conversation with many people as a person who cares i can't fathom not so i don't understand i don't understand people who don't care about things do

you die are you gonna die on every hill like you know like dying on every regular season game we care we care but dude this wasn't every regular season game it was a game against a team that hadn't played since march 24th and brayden olby stood on his head they got their emotional victory and it means nothing to toronto like i don't mean everything nothing to us steve if we win tomorrow night this will be forgotten i think that game tomorrow night isn't it tomorrow night uh yes no yeah yeah tomorrow tomorrow yeah so the postponed games tomorrow night was supposed to be tonight well folks i i gotta learn time travel then i gotta let you listen you want me to do a video after every game you got to accept that i'm gonna react to every game all right i'll react to

the next one when it happens but this one was embarrassing you can't tell me it's not embarrassing I don't think it's David Ayers embarrassing, but it's embarrassing. It's not David Ayers embarrassing, but I also don't think, and even like Keith Olbermann commented on the game, and it's like, okay, Keith. He was too aggressive, and he needs to get off my lawn. Okay, was it an amazing win for the Canucks? Yeah, oh, without question.

Was it an inspiring win for the Canucks? Sure. Why? Because they had just had COVID, and they were off for two weeks. Cool, you should beat them. No. I agree, Steve. But they're professional players.

They're going out and they're trying to win, too. I agree. Who are the Leafs, then? Some beer-leaf team? The team isn't rolling over. Just because he's saying one team's professional does not mean he's not saying the other team's professional. Thank you, Adam.

This isn't a reasonable conversation. I think the thing is, I think the thing is, if I were to take the middle road between the two of you here, it's possible for the Canucks and their fans to be inspired and wowed by the Canucks' victory. It's also possible for Leaf fans to look at this constructively

and go, should have had that one. We got one out of two points. Let's move on. Yeah, I'm not even saying the game was meaningless. I'm saying like, yeah, okay, we should have won a game and let's go get the next one. Get off my front step with your clipboard. I'm not converting. I guess he's talking about you knocking on his door

and trying to convince them that the Leafs losing last night isn't the end of the season. So what is your reaction to the game? Is the Leafs have no hope? Like, I don't understand. Listen, I understand that they outshot them and they outchanced them and they were the better team. All right.

But I'm investing in this team's playoff hopes, right? And people are like, Myrtle said something that just made me laugh. so hard he's like you know what there's no reason to panic and he posts some numbers and people are posting like he he posted their nine three and three in their last 15 like they haven't lost four straight oh is it three sorry i got yeah here let me just ignore that they've lost four straight okay if it's relevant that they're nine three and three in their last 15 then it's relevant that they're they've lost four straight no because one is a larger sample size so both can be relevant

you know there you go that's what i'm saying portions so yes they were good now they're bad like okay like how do we how do we separate it then how should we separate it so i'm just supposed to ignore the last four games and he goes that now the one concern might be goaltending but that's it and i'm like the most important thing the most important thing and campbell overnight looks small in the net pucks are going through them like i guess it's just regression I guess it like what is his record since we had the Vesna conversation this is all Greg Wyshynski's fault he put this all he put the he put the voodoo on on Jack Campbell he's won one game since I talked to him and he allowed five goals in that game this is my fault

it might be like one two and one like one three and one it's not that bad I you know what you You guys are right. And I'm so sorry. This is between the two of you. I'm so sorry. I want to personally apologize to the Leafs for having expectations and expecting more out of them. You know?

Because what I should have done – I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I should have looked at their first-place record and gone, it's bad, actually. It's bad, actually. And they should expect to get goalied a lot. Yeah. No, it's bad.

You do get goalie, though. You do. You do. They've won a lot of games this season. Yeah. It's impossible that Brayden Holby kicked ass last night. He did. It was amazing.

Against the Leafs. Dave Riddick, Leaf killer. And who the Joey Decord, Leaf killer. There's a lot of Leaf killers in the North. Adam, you keep. Connor Hallebach, Leaf killer. Adam you keep citing me Hold on Steve

You keep citing me on the opposite end of Steve But I don't think I'm there I think I'm more just kind of Hey they lost but it's not the end of the world It's not Again they win tomorrow night Here's the thing they win tomorrow night They take 3 or 4 from the Canucks

3 or 4 points they possibly can get Then who cares So go win the game And do it for Zach Hyman And go win that's it friggin time machine do it do it i just i don't i don't get i don't like steve you represent an enormous amount of the leafs fan base and so i understand the point of view that you're coming from my my and i think jesse's point here um uh is that i don't know if it

matters that much if it really matters that much it matters to the canucks i don't think it matters to the Leafs. I don't think it matters. I'm encouraging everyone who thinks that not to watch the next game. Why? Well, because it doesn't matter. Oh, come on. Oh, come on, what? That's what you said, Adam. It doesn't matter.

Oh, come on, what? No, Steve said you said the games don't matter. Oh, come on, what? And when we're allowed back in the building, don't you dare stand for a goal. And shut up. I'm trying to listen to the sound of the game. I love to hear the sounds of the skates cutting into the ice. i love to hear the ping off the bar i hate when people go oh when the ping's off the bar

stop interrupting the ambience oh i don't get people who don't care i wish i was more like you but i really wish you were a little bit more like me i do care i just think in the in a 56 game season you're gonna have a couple stinkers and and number one or not like you're gonna stink sometimes like it that happens and they still walked away with a point good also what's the point matter they didn't even stink they outplayed the others yeah like you're gonna it happens like this is this is like we've been following this forever like this happens the expectation that your favorite team is gonna go 56 and 0 is unreasonable okay they've lost this they've lost this though they've lost this uh they were the better team against boston lost the series

no no you're not you're ridiculous ridiculous shooting percentage against columbus oh how many more times you can't this this isn't that i sure can this game this game isn't that this game isn't the the playoffs those are different portions of a hockey season some games mean more than other games i don't know they're going to be fine we'll see we don't we don't know that we'll see so in the meantime any sports show today going is not doing their job fire i'm gonna get a new show okay oh so you want us to fake overreact no i want you to care naturally like i do you know what we're we're trying to put this in perspective perspective is important here the leafs have

have the best goal differential in the division they've got the high like second highest expected goals in the league they had you know jack campbell wasn't at his best last night let's be honest brayden holpe was was stanley cup form washington capitals 2017 brayden holpe which i'm sure the canucks are like thrilled about like gotta be thrilled because of course if him and demko can can do that regularly holy smokes that's a great goaltending tandem i just think you know ultimately and and we'll move on from this debate because obviously it's very passionate if the leafs take even if the leafs don't win the next game it's sort of like okay i i think at this point 47 i think we're pretty clear on what the leafs are and that's a 46 not that it matters it's a damn

good no the next one oh yeah yeah thanks we're clear on what the leafs are they're a damn good hockey team um yes i understand the playoffs are smaller sample sizes but based on some of the wins the Leafs have had this year not too too concerned about it Leafs have beaten the Canucks this year they've beaten up on every team in the division the Senators have beat them three times I think that bothers me more than the Canucks winning last night that's that's where I'm at with this because at least the Senators don't have the talent the Canucks do just just for your also the Leafs lost four straight they're they're oh two and two they have there's two OT losses in there just so we have the numbers right before people for game win list streak yeah not to be

confused with the losing streak well so glad they picked up a point in 2013 two and two in the last 10 at least they picked up a point all right all right the season guys so so let's get into who wore the crown jesse who's it brought to you by all right so uh this gentleman i'm going to give him the initial r because that's his his uh name on twitter just r dot r dot all right r dot and and we have a little message here. I'm always amazed by short ats. What are the odds you'd be able to get that? No, that's not his at.

That's the name. You know where you write your name in on Twitter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he says, I became a Leafs fan this year. I still don't really understand the strategy of the game, but it is getting a bit clearer for me. I found your guys' podcast from the interview you had with Edge. You guys make hockey fun and easy to understand for a novice like me.

Living in the Bay Area, hockey isn't a huge sport. yes we have the sharks but i never connected with them with having to work from home for over a year in this panoramic having something to look forward to that brings me joy like the leafs has been a bright spot for my mental health thank you guys for making the least fun and you guys help me grow help grow a new fan so there you go adam if you could take a liner off of that well i can i think i can do that jesse and listen our dot we want to we want to say shout out thank you so much for joining the community it's a strong fun eight years running community of fanatics uh that follow hockey it's not just leaf fans here so thanks so much for for listening and listen

anytime you want to truly be a fanatic make sure you take a page out of steve's book why not get upset about a loss that's really inconsequential along long and short of things but hey i wonder okay okay i i i think i think after the segment's done i think we need to i think we need to discuss something there was a point steve made in there about caring that i want to get to because i think it's really interesting and i think that there is a certain amount of differentiation on what we'd consider caring so we'll get into that in a little bit first though i would like one of you two to give a crown so which one who wants it i'll step up to the plate all right my crown today goes to William Nylander.

First game back. Snipes it. Unbelievable. You look great, by the way. You look awesome. I think his expected goals was like 84%, which is, if you know about expected goals, is a ridiculous number. You realize how much the

team misses on me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So when everybody was talking about, hey, that second line with Tavares and whoever's fill-ins are doesn't look as good without William Nylander. This is true because now you look at what him what he did back. Also, I'm giving him entirely all

of the credit for breaking the power play streak that passed Austin Matthews didn't get through to Austin Matthews, but it somehow found its way to Austin Matthews and he did his magic and he hit it in the puck and that was a pass from William Nylander. So thank you. I know you're on the he was on the ice, I believe for that OT goal,

but we're not going to talk about that. He had a great game overall besides that. My crown goes to William. Let's move on to someone who cares. Steve Dangle, who do you give your crown to? the only one of us who cares about this only one proven documented uh i'm gonna give the crown to the entire vancouver canucks team um just because i mean my god uh they hadn't played since march 24th they hadn't won since march 19th um i think they still have nine players on protocol or who

weren't available um and i think they do have at least two players on protocol what they've gone through the the stress the the everything uh unfathomable i would have given them the crown had they won or not um so you got to give it to them for on a human level on a human level yeah forget hockey like they could have lost seven nothing i would have given them the the crown just to show up because yeah it's you know there's still a debate as to whether or not they should even be playing but they did and they won and uh hats off to them um my crown uh is going to be a double crown my first part of my crown goes to Braden Holpe unbelievable game um and I don't think listen you can say what you want about the Canucks victory that was Braden

Holpe's victory like I'm sorry to the rest of the players but that Braden Holpe was the standout in that game Braden Holpe is the reason they were in that game there was a point at which I think the Leafs were out shooting them like 30 to 15 Brayden Holpe yeah is the reason the Vancouver Canucks won last night so to me it's less of a team win more of a Brayden Holpe stole the show and good for him it's been a tough ride uh and we were kind of talking about it I think it was two episodes ago like ever since Barry Trotz left Washington things just haven't been the same for Brayden and I don't I believe there was an injury in there am I wrong in that there was some sort of something was there not at least one he's been around for a long time right so the vintage

Dominic Hasek cartwheel save. That was amazing. Just unreal. It was incredible. It was great. Brayden Holtby was always going to get my crown, but after starting this episode, it's clear that my crown must also go to Steve Dangle for

caring. Steve? Here. Where's Adam? Is he leaving? Where's he going? Am I in trouble? Oh, is there a crown? There must be a crown. He's going to get the crown. Put it on.

put it on put it on hey i like it steve there you go it doesn't went around my head and the headphones as soon as you wrap this as soon as you wrap this segment i have a question okay all right well let me wrap it r dot thank you so much for for checking out the show for being a new member of the community uh make sure you check out our reddit page uh reddit.com slash r slash steve dangle um it's more than just obviously our page it's steve's page so everything that he does is sort of in there as well. And you can connect the community there or on YouTube in the comments.

We've got some great comments every week that are hilarious. It's very cool because once everybody gets together, it's like we're all friends, even though it's just a bunch of friends that have never met each other. So when that happens again,

hopefully you're able to come to one of those. And thank you so much for listening. And why not? Why not? Care about your local NHL team the way Steve Dangle and Steve Dangle only cares about his. Just me.

Don't you wish you could just hit skip on the worst parts of your life? You know, the same way you can skip an ad. I get it. I'm Siaya, and I live in Ice Cove. I've made some questionable decisions that didn't end up the way I planned. And today, I'm still figuring it out. Somehow, things usually get worse before they get better.

Apparently, that's how I roll. So bundle up and come along for the bumpy ride. Don't miss the new season of North of North starting September 8th on CBC Gem. Alone on an island. Let me ask you this. Jesse, I got a question. let me just start this and i know you have a question too okay i think it's going to be your question so go ahead define care about a team for you steve go ahead no no jesse first

you need you need to ask uh more about the question okay all right so it's too broad okay so if i were to narrow it down for you let's say um let's say your team loses when they shouldn't is it is it okay to say that you would it be true i'm gonna ask like a lawyer would it would it be true or would you consider it to be the truth if you could keep that loss in perspective over the course of 56 games and still care about your team and not be heartbroken by it i don't think someone's reaction to a result shows how much the person cares about the team. Steven, same question.

If that makes sense. It's just, listen, we're not talking about the Pittsburgh Penguins and we're not talking about the Arizona Coyotes or the Minnesota Wild. it's the Toronto Maple Leafs and they're always the other team in Air Bud always every time always there is literally before you think that's over the top they're making a movie about the David Ayers game it happened just over a year ago it's always them stop talking about this like I gotta take the crown off it's not gonna stay on I don't know I don't understand why people

are talking about this like it's like it's a regular monday and i just lost to a team that took a month off it's always the leafs always and it doesn't matter because we're heading into the playoffs this yes yes exactly these games are about playoff preparation and they lost to what the prerequisite for that game was they should be the better team and they were thank god thank god they get out shot the opposite you switch the shots around i'd be even more mad but i was just looking at that shot clock you were saying the shots were like 30 to 50 to one point i saw that too and i went it's just gonna make me more mad when they lose and then they did and then heading into overtime i tweeted they were gonna lose they lost it's the leaves everybody god i always feel

like the scientist in a disaster movie no except i'm saying ignore the charts yeah you don't understand it's the leafs put your charts away that's how i feel man they do lose spectacularly that's an undeniable point yeah lose spectacularly on the biggest stage if if the stage if there is a huge stage they're losing on it but but this i have to say the team that we saw last year going into the david ayers game forget david ayers for a second horrible fragile terrible team just tons of talent no no nothing to put together and i know they went on that what is it 20 and five run with sheldon keith when they started or something like that yeah all the same it it seemed a little like we were excited but if you go back and listen to the shows we weren't that

excited they were good but and then they turned into 20 root canals on skates like it was bad agony agony like being a Leafs fan for the last 18 months forget COVID like the previous 18 months of hockey has not been fun Babcock's last season and a half were awful awful and the team this year to me looks dominant there's a strong team and they're they've had tons of injuries they've they've managed their way through them and they should be the top team in the division and they are yep great yep no no denying the team by and large looks different and just when i was like yeah i'm all in on this shit that happens and i'm just like okay okay well we'll see maybe they will be better next game sure hope so

sure hope so we got another show i think they talk about it then um now i here's the one thing about the adler thing i did want to mention what wasn't clear from nhl player safety at least what i read today was that he'll have a hearing is it an in-person hearing or a telephone hearing i think they're all telephone now yeah so they're all uh zoom meetings now okay okay so we don't really get the the little hint about because if it's in person that means their suspension is coming but we don't really get that hint anymore because they're all virtual i guess we'll see you then yeah um okay all right well it is what it is the Leafs are what they are and we'll see what happens going into uh going into the playoffs now I do want to talk about uh Patrick Marleau here

guys it's you know every time something good happens to Patrick Marleau I think as Leaf fans you go oh like you wish you could have worked out better here and I think there were two things going against that number one is two game seven losses against Boston that was the worst number two where he was good no question number two is the amount of money that he was paid in a three-year contract if patrick marlo was making joe thornton money or wayne simmons money or whatever at that time uh because the first season he was here what he scored like 20 something goals he was pretty good 27 27 goals not a joke now i know some some of the people are like well that's those are some of those are empty netters well okay so all right i believe it counts um so the first season it

seemed kind of well worth it the second season you could see the sort of the age catch up and having that third year it was not patrick marlo's fault that he was offered a third year it was louis morello's fault and they what they should have done was they should have offered him more money over two years than anybody else and that would have been a perfect setup perfect scenario so it's a shame the way he had to go meaning they traded him and then he was bought out and we had to you know give up a first round pick for that uh because patrick marlo was an upstanding citizen here and absolutely beloved in the dressing room and seeing him uh getting ready to pass gordy how tonight for all-time nhl games played is pretty freaking spectacular you talk about a

record that you thought probably never going to get broken and here we are he hasn't missed a game since the 0-8-0-9 season. So he hasn't missed a game since, like, the Leafs acquired Phil Kessel. Acquired. Since John Tavares was... No, that was the season before Tavares was a rookie. Luke Shen was just drafted.

Like, Drew Doughty was just drafted. Stamkos was a pimply-faced kid barely making the lineup with head coach Barry Melrose all of which were a thing those were all that was the last time that's not when his career began that's 11 years after his career began it's just when his Ironman streak started what he's done is nothing short of remarkable an 11 year NHL career my goodness that's amazing and then his streak began is he's absolutely unbelievable like to do that in the national hockey league contact sport he's like he's never even like caught a divot in the ice never got like a puck in the face like a like an errant

high stick like just the sheer there's so much luck involved in that and i know he takes his ice baths and stuff and the young players think it's weird but like it's it's a miracle like i i don't know if anyone's ever gonna break that that's what the how record looked like though and now we're sitting here it took a long time to break it oh yeah oh yeah crazy about that too is that he played 400 games in the wha as well yeah because he retired and then came out of retirement to go play 400 games in the whl and then played the one final season in the nhl so he had over two here wait no we're we're we're pulling this up it's coming up right now he played over 2 000 professional hockey games yeah yeah if you want the number you just need to add

on uh 400 419 six seasons of the world hockey association for houston and new england i got here oh this is mutant yeah this is okay gordie how gordie how 419 plus 1767 i don't like that number that's that's 2186 regular season games plus 78 playoff games in the wha plus 157 nhl playoff games this dude not excluding or not including preseason games 2421 professional hockey games i know we just said about patrick marlo that that's not getting touched that is not getting touched i i think it will i think a hundred percent you think somebody will play How old is Tom Brady? I think he's probably the pinnacle of what you can do.

And eventually, I think people are just going to get even your fitness level is just going to keep increasing. Maybe in like 20 years, the next kid who comes along follows the TB12 method from birth. There's four kinds of water, and I'm drinking the correct kind. She eats every strawberry on site. He ends up playing the NHL. He plays for 30 seasons, and then he breaks the record.

Who knows? maybe maybe but boy that's that is crazy and i hate that he's gonna go through all of this he's gonna have that record no cup yeah if he keeps signing in san jose there will be no cut it's killing dude this guy double digit playoff games one two three four five six seven eight nine times double digit playoff games in a season 195 career playoff games 72 goals 127 points what can you do what geez geez like 24 playoff games that one year when san jose went to the final what can you do ah that's torture that's torture to any hockey nut who loves surfing hockey db too much um yeah that it's it's that's almost the same sort of torture that that looking

at mike medano's career all-time game so 1499 there we go with the bad cock references but seriously that is the worst one what okay i got a question other than that what is the most cringeworthy hockey stat you've ever seen what's the one that drives you like nails on a chalkboard crazy and i'm sure if we had jeff merrick on he would be a guy to ask but we should even ask sports net stats why not um i do have one i'm just waiting for it to load to confirm uh and for some reason it crashed there we go oh never i was wrong i thought paul Carrillo was on 999 games he's on 989 that's still oh ah that's killer he should have played more I hate like not just that Babcock didn't give that courtesy to Mike Medano Babcock forever

stapled himself to Mike Medano's legacy like you can't talk about his career numbers without bringing him up for this coach that he had for a season stapled to him forever hockey hall of same player staple to him forever it's a disgrace you know i don't disagree comment boys i don't disagree at all i don't disagree i mean it's it's it's ridiculous you could have started him even if you played him one shift you could have played him yes yeah just like chris chelius could have played him one shift did he do that he in the winter uh in the winter classic game played him one shift oh right that's that story oh my god yeah and uh god then the assistant coach whoever it was asked if he wanted to like kill a penalty later in the game and chelius was like he's like

i've had a beer like he had like a beer on the bench he's like i know i'm not getting in might as well have a beer enjoy the outdoor game for the best seat in the building unbelievable yeah unbelievable i um uh i i do have a question does chris chelios chris chelios is an interesting guy like he's the one that wrote the chris chelios made in america book right like he's he's uh he's he's an interesting dude he's the chris chelios is it good i don't know i don't know but i'm wondering like chris chelios whenever you hear him make headlines it's always for somebody he doesn't like now the babcock thing i can understand because that's sort of shitty but even i remember he was on was it the fan years ago or something like that Steve and he was talking about his book

and then I think they asked him about Brendan Shanahan because I think Brendan Shanahan had just taken over for the Leafs or it had been within a year of that so this was a while ago he's like you know uh Brett you know Shani and I didn't really get along all that well he's a little too political for me as in like I guess he he suggested that he was you know there was diplomacy or he played the game politically more so you didn't mean like oh he's too in my face because he's a republican or democrat or something it's more like along the lines of like he was political within the the room so what i think that might be is shanahan wasn't it like the shanahan summit during the 2004-5 lockout about the rule changes and remember the old 506 season

had a wild amount of penalties well shanahan was a big part of that and i think it was a 31 thoughts i was listening to recently and they were talking about like eiserman on the bench on the same team as shanahan the there would be a penalty called against the red wings and eiserman would basically look over and go good one shanny like it's his fault for helping to come up with the new rules so a lot of players held that against him and maybe that's what he's talking about i don't know yet wondered about that okay interesting who knows right like i don't i don't know um i do uh i do want to ask too um even though he's not in the game as much anymore remember what jeremy ronick said about patrick marlon you remember all that stuff from his book yeah that's another guy where

i'm like man you don't make news it's like brett hall chris chelios and jeremy ronick do you make news for saying anything good about anybody or can you make news for saying good brett hall said we went blues that was good oh boy he was we went blues was legendary he had a good time at the parade he had a really really good time just tuned absolutely i would like to talk about mike medano's uh former franchise the dallas stars ladies and gentlemen don't look now but the dallas stars are three points out of the playoffs with three games in hand on who the nashville predators oh it's weird i thought you were gonna say someone different nope it's the nashville predators now everybody laughed at me like oh Dallas you can't well they looks like they can

43 games 46 points Chicago's got 47 and 45 Nashville 49 and 46 it's gonna be tough it's gonna be tough boys they got bit by the injury bug but it looks like they're fighting their way through it COVID bug well no like isn't uh no Radulov's hurt Radulov's out for the year I believe They did get bit by that other bug At the beginning of the season A lot of bugs I'm just saying believe in the Dallas Stars everybody

This is a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals for a reason I think they're going to be pretty good And I think they're doing really really well And they got Detroit coming up For like what four games in a row or something So they got a chance to Make up some ground You want to talk about should win games

Detroit was like randomly Murdered Tampa once or twice that's weird right dude detroit might they might catch the blue jackets like it's wild to me that detroit might not even be the worst team in their division um one point behind the blue jackets it's all falling apart it's all falling apart in columbus isn't it what happened like it's it like it's see you're steve you're absolutely right about torres he's got this thing and then one day it expires and the team sucks now and it happened in tampa it never got going in vancouver it happened in new york too he's uh the avocado of coaches it's uh you gotta wait for it to ripen

ripen ripen it's bad now so obviously patrick line has had a lot of struggle since going there because they see him as a power forward instead of a gifted once in a generation gold scorer which is what he actually is and max domey who um obviously had his run-in with connor murphy which was a bizarre incident that was like it seemed like a really overreaction to a relatively minor play like i can understand why he'd be ticked about it but to dummy connor murphy like that was way outside they're mad they're an angry team well now max is not going to play tonight and he had a horrible game the other night he was like a minus four took penalties i he's getting benched so the fight seemed to me like because and domi does have the power to do this he's an

offensive player and when he's not producing he'll just beat you up he'll beat you up with hits or he'll drop his gloves and punch you whether you like it or not even if you have your gloves on so and i guess it's just gotten worse since that incident well i have a question about all this guys so first off your big leader felina was gone right heart and soul guy columbus blue jacket guy is now not there number two what's a coach's job define a coach's job make his team as good as it possibly can be get the most out of your star players would be part of that right yes absolutely and i'm not i'm not saying max domey is a superstar in the league but The guy had 72 points once.

Yeah, I mean, he should be at least like a 40-point pace guy. At least. Yeah. So when you might look at Max Domi and go, well, he's underperforming. But when I look at the way Patrick Laine's not performed, I start to think, you know, a guy who can get 30 goals in his sleep like Patrick Laine can seems a bit odd what's happening. I wasn't able to do it with Dubois.

And, you know, I'm struggling to do it with Laine. And I can't do it with Domi Jack Roslevich Looks amazing Right now I'm one for four boys One for four Like

They need to be rid Of John Tortorella I think And nothing against Him as a coach this is the trend This will die For you will die for you will die for you I'm sick of you get out of my face like i you got to look at the last season for every team he's ever played with i'd also like

to see this because you know brian burke uh was talking about you know ron hextall and you know you you can judge a gm based on how they left the team that they're now gone from i would love to know what like the lightning and the rangers and the canucks and uh soon to be the blue jackets Like, I want to know what their record the season after John Tortorella was. Canucks were better. I remember that. They were better, but they're often completely left in shambles. And you can interpret that as, well, they were better with John Tortorella.

Or you can look at it as he poisoned the room, which it sure looks like he's doing it close. Because, I mean, they brought him in and he's like, okay, Sedins, you're blocking shots at 37. right and then oh and i'm gonna go beat up calgary's head coach and apparently torts is torts is a good guy apparently but there are some things where it's like i wouldn't doubt that he's a good person it's just it and it's not a reflection of his character this style does have an expiration date and it seems like it's it's like uh it's like milk right or like an avocado

but it's not that like an avocado overripe avocado is not going to kill you milk is going to give you some serious indigestion past a certain day right and that's what it seems is happening i saw i think someone was talking about like 50 cent or whatever like at the height of his popularity and they were just like man you're hard all the time like what how are you hard at breakfast like you you know like you're having your bowl of cereal and you're just like someone try me right now i'm having cheerios and like it's man i think players can do a season or two with that just that intensity oh boy that's that's too much for four or five years i don't i did off the top of this show

steve you want steve i'm just a fan all the time i care all the time steve you want john tortorella's numbers after he left a team interesting yes i'm very interested so this was you're asking for so you said uh in the 0708 season uh toronto was fired after tampa after that from tampa bay so in the 0809 season tampa finished 14th in the conference oh out of 15 i guess yeah so the season after he left they were just they were worse uh then he was hired by new york is last season in new york he was fired mid see after 48 games he lost in the conference semifinals to boston so that was the half season so he's fired by new york hired by vancouver so how did new york do in the 13 14 season they finished fifth in the conference so he got

fired when they were a good team and they kind of stayed the same good and then the other time he was fired vancouver he was with them the 13 14 season so how did vancouver do in 14 15 i think they made the playoffs that was willie desjardins yeah in 15 14 vancouver finished second in the pacific there you go that was the series against calgary wasn't it uh i don't have their playoff in the staging goal i think it was they finished fifth in the conference so oh wait no 14 15 was the first year of the rogers deal and none of the canadian teams made the playoffs right i think i'm thinking of the next year no no they made the playoffs that year in 14 15 14 15 yeah they finished fifth in the conference what am i thinking of then

oh all right all right well so there you go i don't know if you pulled anything from that but that's as it just seems like you're losing it leaving a team it seems like there is you know it's it's a it's a mess it's a total mess and if the blue jackets don't like here's the thing you've got you got domey for two more years you got line a for zero more years unless you're able to re-sign them and i mean yeah you could re-sign them and you can re-sign them what's that number going to be and then what do you do well here's here's the problem with domey for two more years is Dubois set the precedent with that team that if I'm sick of this team,

you have me for none more years. I don't care what you're paying me. You have me for none more years. And it's not like Max Domi needs the money. It's Ty Domi's son. He doesn't care. So don't be pulling that card if you're the Columbus Blue Jackets.

Don't be pulling that. It's not going to go good for you. Mm-hmm. Well, it's going to be very interesting to watch. i'm kind of i was kind of surprised to see that like it also like okay so the season's bad and i know that max wasn't great in the last couple games and he's lost his temper both times and you know torts wants to sit him or whatever but i i what are you looking for well i'm trying to figure out like how many how many benchings

do we see in an nhl season that are not a john tortorella team like noteworthy like marner yeah imagine the leafs benched marner like you bench a player that's significant to your chances of winning yeah how many teams do that other than whatever john tortorella's coaching yeah kneelander's been benched mid-game a few times over his leafs 10 years i can't think of him ever be in healthy scratched no maybe when he was a rookie maybe i just yeah i'm just you know at a certain point i mean torts has had success and i get it but at what point is this not working anymore like this whole strategy like why shoot yourself in the foot they can't afford to pay him not to be their coach you know what i mean they can't afford to fire him pay him and then pay

his replacement and they're tanking like let's be honest here they're not trying to be good by trading nick felino and david savard right right so they're trying to do the thing properly and if you're not honest to god trying to win games you might as well try to get a message across i guess which i suppose is what he's trying to do with max stoneman i will forever link david savard to trade rumors involving mitch marner oh man do you remember that people are like oh that's fair trade savard for marner and noah hannifin noah hannifin oh good hannifin that was uh that was a kipper special he got a lot of shit for that didn't go apparently that's who babcock wanted on the draft floor didn't he no that was zach warensky oh zach warensky okay well

he's pretty good or was it hannifin maybe it was one of hannifin or warensky i think both were available right yeah that's funny wow yeah hannifin went one spot after marner did he not Yes, he did, I think. It's a great draft. It was. Yeah, you compare that to the 2012 draft, where it's like, ooh, stinker, stinker, stinker. And then it's, that draft was...

David Eichel, I don't remember who. Oh, Dylan Strom, who has turned out very good, but he's not better than Mitch Marner. Noah Hannafin, yeah, hell of a guy. Lawson Krause, I think, was after that, wasn't he? Number six. McDavid, Eichel, Strom, Marner, Hannafin, Zaka, even Ivan Provorov.

Then Zakharovsky at 8. Timo Meier at 9. That's a good pick too. Mikko Rantanen at 10. Lasse Krause at 11. Those are just a bunch of killers, 1 through 11. Rantanen at 10. That's amazing. Man, Colorado.

Hats off to Colorado. There may be more lightning than the lightning. The difference is goaltending. Philip Grubauer is not Andrei Vasilevsky. but they might, honest to God, have a better four lines, three D pairs than the lightning. Ooh, ah, the addition of David Savard though.

I, as a hockey fan, if it cannot be the Leafs, I would love to see those two go toe to toe. I think it'd be a lot of fun. Colorado, Tampa. Oh, that'd be pretty good. I had Colorado, Carolina making the cup final last year, but this was at the beginning of the season, like long before the Panini and everything.

um and honestly grubauer is healthy one of grubauer or pavel francos one of those guys is healthy they beat dallas god bless dallas and everything they did in the bubble one of those guys is healthy you don't have a chance oh well well it nathan mckinnon can't play goalie too i don't know guys he tried michael hutchison did his job it was on the rest he did win he had a winning record he had a winning record in the bubble yes he did yes he did yeah what more can you ask for and the Leafs were like you know we need you back it's like Martin Marich and Martin we can't let you go no great well you see they won the Kadri trade because they got Rosen

back and hutchinson and where's cadre now and they signed and they ended up signing tj brody so that's a win right yeah that's how that happens take that naz that did the leafs lose the cadre deal uh yeah yeah yeah well i didn't you know what i i i will maintain that they did need to trade them uh and if they had made the first trade to calgary it would have been the right trade so did dubas lose it or did nazim exercise his right the within his contract was to screw over the leaves dubas lost it dubas lost it okay good there there were better options out there they were contractually they also didn't have to trade them i i know exactly what i said at the time but i don't run the team contractually they didn't have to do it it's true yeah i think

i i honestly think though if you keep if you kept him around at that i i do wonder like if you didn't learn the first two times you know i think he's learned because he he got traded from from his favorite team you know and he's not going to pull that shit in colorado colorado the perfect spot like how great is that and he got a guy who uh was probably humbled by the experience and by the way i'm a huge nasm cadre fan i think he's a great guy i think we all are really fan is a hundred percent uh and and he caught a lot of shit while he was here but man he was awesome and uh i do think though that colorado was in a perfect position to inherit a guy who was about to learn a lesson who was that one lesson away from being the best possible nhl pro he could be

and the only way he was going to learn that lesson is if he was not a leaf the next year he already has more playoff points as an av i'm pretty sure than he did as a leaf and i think he also set a record for the latest game winner really history it was during the the round robin because they were one of the top four teams and they scored a game winner against the blues with i think it was 0.2 seconds left it was ridiculous wow and it was naz because of course it was wow yeah during a nhl playoff game it was not a stanley cup playoff game nhl playoff game remember that whole fiasco yes yes yes yes my god that's pretty cool well you know good for nas nothing wish him nothing but the best um with a bit of a weird um race happening right now in the west

division nobody's really mentioning it too much outside of their home markets but arizona and st louis being locked in at 44 and 45 points a couple games uh in hand for st louis there but can you imagine a world where st louis doesn't make the playoffs and the coyotes do even the sharks are in there oh they are they're five points out it's not nearly as likely but yeah st louis three six and one in their last 10 they do not look good um i'm trying to think of who they're missing i mean other than alex petrangelo of course i guess if you lose your captain it's kind of a big deal, eh? They're missing Jordan

Biddington from the two seasons ago. I was about to say, oh, they have him. Oh, same guy but different guy. Yeah, I wonder about that. And again, I'll go back to they really did,

after they were eliminated by the Canucks, just sort of slip it in there like, oh yeah, guys aren't feeling 100% from COVID. Pardon? what do they say 20 of the team yeah something like that that's that's a lot than one that's yeah what well and i'm looking at two a couple of the other races are starting to get a little bit interesting here now the the rangers have played two more games than boston so keep that in perspective and taylor hall looks outstanding on the bruins of course of course he's been

incredible um but the new york rangers i get that they've played two more games in boston are still only four points behind them and they've both gone four and one in their last five games the rangers lost in overtime last night so or sorry their last game that's that's a team like okay imagine for a minute it won't happen but imagine for a minute boston trades for taylor hall and then doesn't make it right it's possible it's the matt duchesne conversation all over again does this guy even make your team better right remember all that clearly clearly he does though i know but this is this is an actual race right so we talked about the blues and the coyotes both are sub 500 the last 10 blues are three six and one coyotes are four six and oh so no matter

race nobody wants it you take it you take it you take it you take it with boston and new york that That is a race. Right. Both won four straight, 7-2-1 for Boston, 7-1-2 for the Rangers. One point. If anybody gets screwed this year, it's one of those two teams because either of those teams make the playoffs in any other division in the league.

All three of the other ones, they're in a playoff spot. The Rangers are 14th in the NHL right now. That's crazy. And if you do points percentage, also 14th. If that's the case, then the Rangers should be in the playoffs. like if you're i don't understand why we do this why do we do this well this year you can't because i know i just the canadian teams can't leave canada so why why is it though that we i'm fine with more divisional games or whatever you want to do but why can't just the best 16 teams make it

why well well this year because of borders but in in other years uh adam i don't think you're totally off there man if this was last season they would be in a playoff spot though because it would have been the top three slots in each division plus the two wild cards and they would have had one of those so what i would ask the nhl is this the mass mutual east division let me get that sponsorship in there washington islanders pittsburgh boston new york philly new jersey buffalo those are some of your best tv revenue markets in the united states that that northeast isn't that's like a murderer's row of good ratings for um for the nhl outside of i think the ratings in like tampa and chicago you can't get better than that and and when i when i look at that i

go is the nhl going to be happy with itself when the rangers miss the playoffs again and and you know you say well it's just a couple of seasons or whatever this is a this is a time when new york who is the number one most valuable franchise in the sport the rangers are there no question there are like three or four hundred million dollars up on the leaps um the idea that the rangers are good enough to make it and do not is ridiculous to me and i also think and and maybe this goes back to just kind of personal bias about this sort of thing but why is it that we need to draw teams x amount of teams from every division this year sure you're only playing those same few teams over and over and over again it's covid it is what it is but why can't even then the best

teams just make it because you're gonna argue if you're one of the teams who gets pushed out you're gonna argue well they were playing against the flyers and to a much higher extent the devils and the sabers yeah that's fair but every division's every division's got that yeah unfortunately this year you got to play against your own division exclusively like you don't play So you've got to rank the playoffs based on your division because that's the only teams you played, right? Yeah. For competition reasons, why do we worry about geography?

Let's worry about the best teams and the biggest stars getting in. That's what I'm worried about. And so in the future, if it's 10 Western teams and six Eastern teams, okay, then that's what it is. Put the best teams in because usually the best teams have the best players. I think we all looked at the Eastern Division at the beginning of the season and went, oh, someone's getting screwed there. And lo and behold, someone is.

But they're going to go back to the East-West as soon as humanly possible. And this was always a possibility. And I keep, outside of the ridiculous Colby Cave-Edmonton game that they should have never been forced to play, and who knows, maybe next week or in a few days we'll be saying that about the Canucks as well. but outside of that the the nhl schedule the fact that they've even gotten this far like i'm not going to be too picky i think they always knew it was going to be a possibility

and it's so tough you're right but is your argument for when the world's back to normal you would drop you would drop divisions i would well i don't mind even having divisions and scheduling um scheduling teams more against you know in a local calendar so that you know you play the same teams more often i understand what the nhl tries to do with the rivalries etc etc but i always felt like if um you know if you really want to do this why not just put the best teams in why not i i just don't see how like like you know there's always it's it's funny we look at it each year and it's either the west or it's the east for a long time it was the west They were just murderous, dominant, like all the California teams.

St. Louis is always in there. Then Vegas shows up and is like, we're going to make the conference finals for a couple of years and we're going to we're going to kick in a lot of ass for no reason. You know, the Canucks won how many presidents trophies like it was that the Western Conference was pretty scary for about 10 years and Chicago, too, and L.A. and then you know it's kind of shifted to the east a little bit lately with Boston and Tampa and Toronto and you know Pittsburgh being as good as they've been for a long time and now you've got you know Carolina Carolina's playing to its potential and Florida surprised everybody I just feel like there are teams sometimes that will make it in like 14 or 15 spots sorry like like eighth eighth in there in the in the spot uh in one division or one conference that wouldn't have

hope in hell in the other and that to me seems odd but are we having this conversation with like we didn't say this about arizona we weren't like ah coyotes are getting screwed you know what i mean it's just not a great team if they were we have a conversation but they're in the five slot well they're in the five slot they're in the four oh are they never mind we're not having this conversation about the blues sorry my bad yeah but they're not getting screwed because they're they have 44 points and like the fifth seed in the central is chicago and they have like 47 you remember when it was like the leafs have this many more points than the guys in the whatever they whatever the division lineup was last year i can't even remember what the old divisions were

called the leafs have 10 more points than team number two in that division but they're third place in their division it was brutal so they're fucked right you know like that that to me there's there's got to be a better way to do this is all i'm saying i'm not saying i've got all the answers There's got to be a better way. I think you're right. And sorry, just because I've been dicking around on the standings page on NHL.com, Nazem Kadri's Colorado Avalanche. First in points with 64.

First in points percentage, 744. Stupid. And first in goal differential, plus 53. Get out of here. Get out of here. Steve, we should one day do a top cold take Hall of Fame for all of us. but if there's a cold take and i think that we need to apologize forever and ever and ever about it's what the hell is joe sackick and jared bednar and what are the what are the abs even doing

horrible was that bad it's one of the worst takes i've ever had me like it oh my god oh my god and they have not been bad since nope they had one legendarily shit season awesome awesome ever hey here's fun who has the worst goal differential in the nhl i'm gonna say columbus that was gonna be my guess i'll guess somebody else oh it's not columbus okay uh it's not gonna be detroit columbus is sixth from last who is last in the west right now detroit is fourth from last who who's last in the West, the West Division, is the Anaheim Ducks. I'm going to go with them.

You are correct. Anaheim Ducks, minus 44 to the Sabres, minus 43. It's a tight race for goal differential. Columbus is minus 40. New Jersey is minus 41. Detroit and Ottawa are minus 42. Buffalo is minus 43. and anaheim who has been underratedly ass minus 44 they're knowing that knowing the ducks though

and how they operate they're going to draft four norris and one vesna candidate this offseason and and be fine yeah they draft great defensemen and great goalies that's all they do they're a farm well and they like intentionally have trevor's egress in the minors and drysdale's a rookie yeah yeah no i i i buy that adam i'm buying what you're saying they're just really good at that yeah and i mean they are definitely they traded to the leafs right yeah yes they're taking some time off from being good but i think they'll be back um nick kiprios put it out on his show line movement front of the show nick kiprios do you think the leafs have a goaltending controversy guys what Riddick over Jack no Freddie over Jack and David uh no I thought a controversy is my my

question uh I I would have before the last four games and the last five games last five games because in his game uh in his record-breaking 11th win he wasn't great he was bad is another word so it's about five straight and uh listen freddie do we think freddie was garbage or injured injured that's what i think about jack he's injured riddick needs to play what did you get him for yeah you didn't get him for the playoffs rick should play the next like three make sure they're healthy make sure they're healthy it's not a controversy it's not a controversy if one guy if he was healthy he would be starting you know like i i can't i can't call a controversy when if anderson comes back and they're like oh he's a hundred percent then he's going in he's gonna

start and then we're gonna see what we got so is the controversy then that sheldon keep keep starting jack campbell although he's not either played well or hurt or both is that the controversy I think we're overestimating how much the coach knows the coach I mean Babcock was always prickly about this not to compare the two but hey so-and-so going tonight and he's like I'm sure they'll tell me because he is like here is who it is this is my lineup and then they tell me whether or not yes that's good to go or no that guy can't play so I think Sheldon's got in his head freddie is one jack is two riddick is three i am playing two two's hurt three you know what i mean but they're not telling him two's hurt and jack has you know we already know he's played

through injury this year and he looks tiny he looks tiny in his net i've never noticed him looking tiny in his net that for that goal the goal wasn't good the one that snuck under his his arm was that the first one I think it was the second one this is the only game all year I haven't watched the replay I don't want to wow you were really stung by that

Adam it was written in the stars in the sky that they were losing that game so maybe I shouldn't be upset because I knew the whole time can I ask you a question yes did Mrs. Dangle watch with you last night mmm

she watched but not she only I think she only watched up until it was to nothing and then she very wisely said I'm going to go upstairs and watch some British show and then she did you guys have Brit box or something like that where you can watch all the

British shows the midwife no Adam she watches everything legally okay that's Brit box we've never watched a show from Europe illegally ever um i the reason i ask is i would love to know how she would describe your reaction to last night's loss like when you come up to bed after that i mean i guess it's been a while like you do you go down sometimes you record right away but did you today did you go no no no no so you went to

bed yeah what'd you say do you say anything or do you just go to sleep i was just like the leaves lost the they they lost they actually lost and she should give you a hug or uh she just gives me like a pat on the shoulder and goes right back to the midwife adam how did you react after the leafs lost i went to bed as someone as someone who doesn't care as much about the game how did you react i mean it was sort of like i you know what you know what i you know what i did i groaned a little bit and i'll tell you why it had no nothing to do with the leafs it had everything to do with the hot takes and listen i'm guilty of my hot takes too but i'm like oh man here they come and the first thing i saw this morning was the keith olbermann tweet saying if you think the

leafs have the you know intestinal fortitude to win the cup blah blah blah and and everything he said about the canucks was true it was an emotional win they do deserve all the credit in the entire world that was fucking awesome good for them but at the same time it's like sometimes a team can have an emotional win and the other team walks away completely unscathed like it's another day and i think that's what it was it doesn't have to everybody acts like everything is a movie all the time you know i i uh it's it's okay to imagine a scenario where one team is not as emotionally affected by a game as the other right i mean the leafs are clearly emotionally affected by their power play no that is a problem i mean like yeah that's a serious problem it's crept into the

rest of their game and so matthew scores last night it's at the end of the five minute power play 13 seconds left right and i think they're two for 46 now or 47 or 45 it's mid 40s and so he has both of those two both are matthews one was a power play goal on a power play where they had already surrendered a shorthanded goal and another was at the tail end of a five minute a power play they haven't just scored a power play goal and that's it well for over a month in the midst of that though there are things like the spezza play where he's literally standing in front of an open net and he hits the post like you got you got bad luck it's it's a game it's a power play did look okay yeah like he he should have he scored there it just it's a it's a puck

and it didn't go in the net are the advanced and i don't know the answer to this are the advanced metrics on the leafs power play positive meaning okay the goals aren't there but are the metrics positive i doubt it no that's okay what i read it was like last week and last time i saw it advanced it was that they're not that great okay and you know despite the fact that i've gotten all worked up you know because i'm sure people were yelling like they did win well no they didn't but a lot of people are upset that that um in uh i think it was with 30 seconds left uh that goal didn't count that they reviewed uh there's no conclusive evidence like i don't know what to tell you there i do have one little hot take and i would i would like to get your opinion on this that's

your holtby did that little scoot everyone knows the scoot the goalie scoot when the puck is very obviously in the net but the goalie drags their pads out to drag the puck out yeah if you can't see the puck then it's not a goal you know right but no one gets up like that ever there's no reason to get up like that unless you're hiding the fact that a goal was scored and i think the rule should stay as it is if you cannot see the puck it should be you need conclusive evidence but if the goalie does the scoot i think during the review you should be able to go okay we can't see the puck so it's not a goal he did the scoot two minute minor delay of game you delayed the game that's interesting you made it harder to do our job delay a game and that goes for leaf goal if jack

campbell does it if freddie anderson does it if you're not cheating you're not trying well so we agree it's cheating then it is it is there's no reason to get up that way can i provide a simpler solution sure uh the technology exists where you can just you can track the puck and you can track as to whether it crosses the line or not they do it in real time in tennis with a much faster ball it is possible if you just invested in the cameras and the little chip thingy if you just did that one time in one off season for every arena this whole thing could be solved and a little light can go off and tell you if a puck crosses that goal line in a while the play is not whistled dead like you can do that right but have you seen like the the emails back and forth like

head of officiating and everything in the in the makeup call controversy like everything that we know about the nhl's interpretation of their own rules suggest they're aloof and i don't think they care enough to do what you're saying yeah because they have no interest in just getting it right are we going to spend this much money on i don't know 10 goals a season no we're not we're the nhl yeah which is why it when every time someone tells me it's about getting the call right no it's not it's not it's entirely not it's about getting off air on time no you wouldn't have makeup calls like all that whole controversy you wouldn't have those things if about getting it right this is about something else and and if they if they could do a better job of promoting

their sport they could be like baseball which will have six hour games every once in a while because it goes 20 innings they're not worried about getting off the air on time they're like fuck you we're baseball if the nhl and listen uh guys um uh we we promoted this game extremely well And it's going to outrate anything else that's on TV currently, like baseball and football, although baseball's numbers are falling a little bit. If that were the case, then it wouldn't matter. And you could do three-on-three overtime until literally the legs fell off, until finally somebody scores. Baseball did this year try and curve the long game things by starting a runner on second base. If you get to the 11th inning, now you get an automatic runner on second.

yeah yeah and also any double header games are now seven innings so they are trying to cut down on game time but they're still ridiculously long yeah interesting i'd love to see another boston and i never watch boston and new york games they're so slow i can't i can't do it i can't fucking do it like i love i do love baseball and i like it because i can get chores done and stuff while i'm watching it but man boston and new york games are so painful it's like if we take longer with this we're going to bore the other team into submission it's a strategy they're intentionally slowing down the baseball game when you were a shortstop jesse did that ever happen 20 years ago when you were you were in triple-a baseball though triple-a years ago okay did they did you ever run

into a team that was like we're gonna we're gonna fucking put these guys to sleep no when you're when you're 14 and playing triple-a you're not thinking that not at all i think one of my favorite stories you've ever told is you briefly mentioned instead so it's not really a story but you were like man when you quit you're like my parents were just so sick and tired of going to baseball games yeah like I felt bad like looking back now I felt bad for my family because we traveled literally from like when school closes through September all over Ontario playing baseball like we go to a really uh Sault Ste. Marie like Kingston just wherever there was a tournament because it's rep ball and you gotta go play the best teams in ontario so every weekend

we're going somewhere i'm just playing fucking baseball i loved it obviously yeah it's amazing looking back now you get perspective as an adult and you're like shit my parents just drove for hours in a car to go watch these teenagers play baseball and drag your sister along with him yeah my sister would sit there and the you know those fold-out chairs you got the parent section like the whole audience game boys dead by the by the third inning yeah yeah it's funny with that because i think there are there are parents that like to hold that in perspective your t your kid is going to be an elite player for only so long if your kid's good enough to be an elite player you got to look at it like okay maybe five six years max but most of

the time it's like a year or two where the travel gets crazy and either the kid gives up you give up or it's just it's they're too old and it's over um and i feel like if everly's ever that good at anything like triple a good at anything it could be art it could be dance it could be drama it could be anything whatever sports whatever she wants um i feel like as a parent being on the other side of it now i understand why parents get upset and and it's like it's a lot but also that's your kid and you only get that for so long yeah right it will end at a certain point every saturday like we'd i'd have practice i'd baseball practice like every i think it was wednesday monday wednesday saturday we had we had practice three days a week and so like that that

i think that was at the end of the game yeah and then we and then we played games in between that it was ridiculous but like every saturday morning at 9 a.m or whatever you had done the um tom chater and you go tom jader park and i still remember the name and you go practice and you hit you they hit ground balls with the fungo with the pop flies with the fungo or ground balls or whatever and you just practice there's a bunch of teenagers you know my parents were smart about it they just started doing chores like i was never gonna i was never good so they would just be like oh we're gonna drop you off for practice and we'll see you we're gonna go grocery shop or something like that it's like i'm not watching your fucking practice but like you you guys have kids and like

if they if if it's saturday morning at 9 a.m and your kids like i i'm really my favorite thing in the world is to do this sport or this activity you're gonna go take them to swimming or dance class or baseball or hockey or whatever it is right absolutely because it's only request you only get it so long you only get it so long and then it's gone and i'm sure if you were to ask your dad jesse he would for one day love to go back and see you play baseball one more time oh yeah i'm sure he would i'm sure he'd take that he came out to when we had the easter seals he came out to that yes so did steve parents and where are my parents nowhere to be found they don't care but like steve's parents must have said the same thing like watching your kid

do something is this other experience yeah oh yeah yeah they did there were a few times where like my soccer team was real bad and they were like we lost every game like 12 nothing and they were like okay this is pointless like are you having fun i'm like not really like i'm enjoying the exercise and then next year we'd like win the championship like it's the nature there's no there's no regulation can i do a a prediction for you too love it when your kid is uh playing a sport whether it's high school whether it's whatever it is if they're into that and i'm making videos about leo's team just roasting them where are you when you're on the sideline for those games that is going to be the height of your passion for sports like i guarantee you're

going to care more about that 14 year old soccer game than you have about any other leaf game your entire life that's going to be the most fandom you ever have because that's your kid out there and you're going to be screaming and you're going to feel it so i won when we were in grade nine my house league team won the championship and i was the uh i was the captain and we won it in overtime and i remember i so like i remember it because the puck came out to me at the blue line and i took a shot and then uh his name was puce sharma i remember i'll remember his name forever because we played on a couple teams together and he tipped the puck in and i'll never i'll never forget that going in but my parents cried it was house but they were like you know that's

it's magic you imagine your kid winning a championship and over time like it's a it's an emotional game I'd never won anything before it was like you know it was a big deal and I think you're absolutely right Jess you're never gonna care more I think than about that and and I know a lot of parents are probably listening to this going yeah well wait till you guys have to drive around to Sault Ste. Marie every weekend and you're right you're absolutely right but it's such a small amount of time in your life that you know those memories I I mean I just look at how quickly everly is going to be two years old in six weeks and you know what i mean like it's and it's like where the hell did the time go this kid is walking and talking and like the other day i

was like hey do you need some water she's like yeah we just communicate now oh god she's like yeah like she we just talk and like when i leave when i when i go over and say pick her up from her grandparents or something like that um you know my mom's she runs to the door and screams daddy you know like that is that's emotional shit and you know when she's a teenager she's not gonna give a shit what i'm up to but but you know it's just these these moments as exhausting as they are even the first six months of having a kid which objectively kind of sucks uh if we're all involved it's it's terrible um it goes so fast it's gone and it's like you know it's such a short period so i would say jesse i'm sure your parents were exhausted by the end of it

but i also would say hey if we could see one more game oh i would love to see one more you know what i mean and they must have been so proud of you you were the hardest position in the entire sport and you're playing in triple a that's amazing that's pretty cool yeah say shortstop is hard you gotta move so anyway that's my rant let's do a press conference shall we let's do it let's do it um so a few people tweeted this at us they want us to mention or talk about the super league that 12 european soccer teams are trying to football teams are trying to form so i'll give you guys a little background on what's happening if you're not up to speed and then just your thoughts on it so last night it broke that 12 uh football clubs are trying to form a super league

so if you don't know how uh european soccer works or how soccer works in the rest of the world there's a bunch of little different leagues and then the champions of those league they come together and they play in the champions league so these 12 teams they come from the english premier league la liga and syria so three of the top leagues in all of the world for football uh 12 teams they said they're gonna form their own league it's gonna play during the week uh when the other leagues aren't on and they're gonna have their own competition and it's 12 teams right now but they're hoping to expand it to to 20 teams eventually when the other big teams get permission to join but uh some of the some of the major teams around the world haven't agreed to this

they don't want to join like um psg like our bayern munich is not bayern munich yeah they're also not going to join because those some of those other teams are on the side of uefa and fifa who do not support this new super league that these teams are trying to trying to create and they've threatened to ban any player from these teams who plays in the super league from tournaments like the champions league or even the world cup and then the super league has come out and said that uh you can't do that under your own rules and there's a whole legal doc about that as well so i know that jp morgan is bankrolling this so there's big money in it for the clubs we're talking billions but my question about it is just because i don't know people are saying it's going

to destroy football on more of like a local level and like there's like four tiers of football in england alone right where whereas like you know like was jamie vardy a few years ago was like playing you know league three and you know making 200 bucks a week doing that and then like working at a factory and he worked his way all the way up to you know a championship team in the premier league and is one of the top players in english football but i'm wondering like what what does that do to the smaller level teams is it is it does it take you know like gate away from them or sponsorship dollars away from them like what is the what's the other than it's outside of uefa and fifa yeah who by the way have their own problems like we have we forgotten what happened

with fifa two years ago with set bladder and all that stuff that came out so and even like the the world cup being hosted in uh qatar is just a giant human rights violation violations just steaming from that why why the leagues would be upset with this is pretty obvious but fans are furious why so that's what i'm trying to understand so though if this super league joins they're worried about what it does to uh let's say the english premier league where you have you have this extra level of teams. You have bad teams that play in the EPL. It'd be like

it'd be more like the AHL was an established team where it was an established league with all these other teams in them. And then you're taking the best teams and you're forming this NHL. So then the AHL teams, they're put off to the

side and they're now these minor league teams, which they are in North America. But the EPL teams don't want to be relegated to this underclass if that makes sense so the other teams so if you take the top teams away from the english premier league that diminishes the epl where these underclass teams play but you're not going to take the unless uefa and fifa ban those those clubs right because of so if i'm not going to the they're they're trying to uefa and fifa are trying to ban all these teams from playing in the Champions League.

Like Real Madrid's in the semifinals of the Champions League that's coming up in like three weeks or something. UEFA says we're going to remove them from the semifinals. Like they're not allowed to play in there anymore. So if you're banning all these teams from these leagues, then what do these leagues become without these teams? Because they don't have these big organizations. It sounds like someone's trying to split up a monopoly.

I must be ignorant to what's going on. It still sounds like UEFA is the bad guy. So the argument on the other side is that they're trying to prevent these teams from building a monopoly. Because you have all these different leagues around Europe right now, and then the top ones are trying to get together

and just build a monopoly where it's like only us good teams are playing in this one league. They're trying to stop it from being like, hey, no, we got to keep you guys spread out instead of just playing in the Super League. but wouldn't wouldn't new teams be able to make it into the super league each year isn't there a bottom three or is there because there's three more clubs that need to be named right so they

but they they don't have it would just be static it would just be those teams and that would be the end of it so i saw leads leads in the premiership today were wearing shirts in protest that said earn it i think they were playing against liverpool so basically we'll earn your right to be in the champions league instead of forming your own okay well liverpool consistently does that right but like earn it i guess is what they're trying to say and like it can be you know changing for uh for a team that does happen or like aberdeen for example we're the famous sorry um because uh my wife's family is from there and they like famously i think we're in the champions league when you're in i want to say won it i think they beat real

madrid and they're like this little team right and it's an amazing story and then i guess you're taking away the possibility of that ever happening there are no underdogs you know i guess i don't know i guess i guess i don't know enough about it to be proper angry i guess i don't care i see i do care i'm i'm very no i care like i want to know i just want to know because i saw even like rachel dory and and and people that really know the game tweeting about there must be a reason to be outraged about this other than the fact that it to me it seems like um i should have called my father-in-law before it's like he's devastated it's like thanos and the joker going head to head like thanos is uefa and fifa and and has all the power and the jokers

is coming in to mess it all up they both seem like bad guys right do you want me to read you a little piece about why fans are outraged please do i think it's important so this is from the sydney morning herald who did a nice job on this so they said how have fans reacted they said with fury the overwhelming sentiment is discussed including from supporters of the clubs lining up to take part and ex-players from like manchester united legend gary neville who described their actions as pure greed and called for all to be relegated from their respective top divisions no serious football fan wants this to happen so if the fans are against it why is it happening capitalism and globalization essentially the generational diehards who have followed these

clubs across europe for their entire lives might be fuming but there are millions of others across the world in markets like the united states the middle east and asia who spend their discretionary income on these clubs not the teams who play in their own country so let's be real this has felt inevitable for so long for a reason people will vent their spleen drop petitions blah blah blah but one day soon barcelona will be at home to liverpool in the super league it'll be hard to switch off in that moment so like i i would be upset too if if like say i'm going to try and do the hockey analogy again if toronto was in a league with um the steelheads and like i they're they play in this league and then toronto says i'm gonna go on a

play in my own super league and i'm gonna join boston the super league and now i'm a steelheads fan and i don't get these games versus toronto because you're going to play in the super league i'd be a little upset too but the reason that you're not getting the games is because uefa and v4 are saying you're not getting the games because they're saying we'll play midweek and we'll play on the weekend are they not the super league is is saying that but the super league is like it sounds like hey we're gonna play ball with these low leagues too but it sounds like the super league just wants to be eventually the big league with all these top and then it'll be like the exhibition games where liverpool liverpool comes over and plays uh tfc but like you gotta

create provisions in the contract like your star players have to play x amount of time in these games right right in order for us to agree right to this and like there's no way for example liverpool is going to play their top team against i don't know leeds right i guess like i just said man like interesting it is it is really important to some of these teams i was i was watching a game uh a few months ago i can't remember who was playing but they were a big team like a big premiership team and they were playing against this they're like tier four tier three but they won some cup and like part of the agreement is you get a game against this team and you get all the tv revenue and everything and people like literally on the television camera

you can see people in their backyards which is across the street from the field watching the game that's how small this team is but it changes the course of that team for the next several years to get the money for that one game yeah yeah so i definitely understand why they're upset what i'm not well and i think i think too like in the north american side of things um especially when tfc were doing extremely extremely well i mean i remember watching their run right all the way to the finals for conca calf and if you don't know what conca calf is basically like the the um the the west version of champions it's the uh it's it's basically the top teams in like south america and north america playing each other and for a toronto team to get that far in conca calf

is you know especially against some of those mexican clubs it's pretty crazy like it was awesome uh or is conca calf just north american might just be north american i think it's just north america yeah but anyway long story short it's it's it's you know important and very exciting it was cool to watch but if you take you know tfc and then new york red bull and then new york fc and then the la galaxy and then you know mexico city and what some of the other clubs and they just play each other the excitement kind of isn't there like the excitement for me watching that and i think what's so exciting about champions league and the olympics and fifa and all that sorry the world cup is the build okay here's a step and then here's a step and it's at this slow burn

and they're playing other games that week on top of it against teams from their league as well. It's just, it's, you know, I can understand how that would upset the balance now that the more I think about it, the more it's like, well, that makes a lot of sense. Do you want a little bit more of an impassioned argument against it?

Please. This one was from Aiden Gibson. He was writing on SB Nation. He says, this is the action of a bunch of billionaire chodes. In terms of sporting merit, there's absolutely none. The European Soccer League will mostly be a closed competition uh 12 founding clubs plus an expected other three plus five clubs who

will earn their way into the competition it renders the champion champions league and europa league dead as a sporting competition of course but despite these clubs promise to preserve the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game they will do no such thing sure they may fulfill domestic fixtures but there will be no need to play any meaningful player because there will be no need to actually compete in these domestic leagues so that's the heart of the problem if it's like hey we're no we're still in the epl but we got this super league why would we ever try an epl when we put all our effort into the super league where the actual money is right that's why it's like destroying football the maybe i'm still misunderstanding

but like from a champions league perspective i could care less what happens to the champions league but you're you're essentially making like even the english premiership um like a secondary league yeah you're kind of making it a minor league and that's wild and with it with those teams there's no relegation right it's just those franchises well they're forever they said the bottom three so it'll be 15 plus bottom three will be uh you can earn your way into it but okay the the argument is that hey it's just going to be the top teams winning every time who care they're being nice by having this extra three teams fight in their way each time that's going to cost a lot of people a lot of money which i think is where earn it comes from

so let me ask you this then guys um so if you're fifa slash uefa and you're looking at this you ban the best brands in your sport like from your own competition how do you stand to win from that like who's who from the epl alone we got liverpool manchester united is manchester city included in that as well i know tottenham is uh on the list of 12 clubs yeah what do we got uh arsenal chelsea liverpool manchester city manchester united tottenham hotspur uh atletico madrid barcelona real madrid ac milan inter milan juventus so that will kill the italian super league and that will kill the epl if you ban them but if you let them do this it will kill the italian super league and the epl you're either way and the top two teams in spain as well yeah you know it's a good

thing psg stayed out because ask the average soccer fan how many french soccer teams they know besides psg well um leon leon g's chairman is also a member of the board at uefa so there's some there's some conflict of interest there so they're on your way for a side you know right yeah it seems like a lot of rich infighting and when it comes to that i kind of go with um the fans as the tie the tiebreaker go with the fans don't want this okay and and what's what's going to speak from a money perspective and yes it's being backed by jp morgan but what's going to speak from a money perspective is if liverpool fans reject this if chelsea fans reject this if juventus uh fans reject this it won't happen what's great though it like all these teams are

hated because they're some of the best but it's going to be it's like it's like if a dozen teams were the houston astros right like every game is going to be hellfire and brimstone every game every team plays against these guys if you know anything about the sport you know that soccer fans react rationally to everything everything yeah they're gonna react to this like we we get all upset and uptight in toronto when somebody throws a beer can and it hits a baby which happens some someone wears a paper bag over their head and it's the front page for the next six months in europe if you do that uh if you bring a baby to a football stadium they are like you're an idiot because you're going to get hit with something here i had a friend who was in russia

for uh was it russia or what was the last the last world cup was in russia was it not yes i believe every major sporting event was in russia for years um i had a friend who was there and he said by the end of the game they were just everybody was soaked in beer oh it was just every time a goal went in everybody threw their beer every time something went wrong everybody they're all just covered in it that's just what it is you know so like you you know it's it's just it's a whole different world but you're right steve i think the negative reactions to this like this weekend epl is gonna be can't miss cannot miss like that'll be fun to watch i love it no i love it too like i want to see what's a manchester united game gonna look like and

leeds and liverpool are playing right now but i haven't seen anything bad but i guess there are no are there any fans in the stadiums there yeah i think there are it's a good question i believe there are uh and what i need to see so like immediately what i'm looking for because this isn't my first sports rodeo where are the people burning their things guaranteed there's fans burning their things right that's how this always starts your team does something you don't like you burn your shit oh breaking news this is luck eight seconds ago i'm gonna go to the washroom NHL, sorry, from NHL player safety, Alex Edler suspended two games. Okay.

So that was eight seconds ago. I just happened to catch it in my timeline. That seems about right. Well, I mean, that's the precedent, right? Like Elliott Freeman sort of went through that on the broadcast. I also, here's, can I ask you this? Just from a, listen, I understand that these players are super rich or whatever. from the super league perspective, the players are rich, good. You know,

they made a lot of money, but they also earned it. Right. Like I, you know, we can get into a whole discussion about doctors making less than athletes and whatever. Yeah, I get it. But these sports franchises are worth billions of dollars and these players deserve a share in that. Naturally their salaries are going to be high because they're among the top teams, top players in the world that can do this one sport. That's very in demand. They they're making good money.

how does banning the players other than as a hinge point sort of pressure point how does that benefit you way for like like if you if you ban the clubs that's one thing but you're are you gonna ban the players who are signed contractually to these clubs like that that to me seems a bit i guess that's a great point that's one of the only you know these players have worked their whole lives and what are they supposed to do what's the legality there i have a binding contract with juventus i don't know how contracts work but like i have a binding contract with juventus i'm supposed to play for juventus this is where juventus plays now and i can't play for italy or i can't play for france or whatever however that way it's just corruption fighting corruption

it's weird to blame the players for the choices of the owner i wonder if they're hoping the players will revolt and that's why they're saying it that's what they're doing it's corruption fighting corruption which is super shitty yeah because the players should not be used as a leverage point here and who suffers here the fans and the players and the little guys it's always the little guys yeah right the owners are fine a fifa seems like is well i think we all agree that fifa is not the best organization and all of these clubs trying to get together and screw over these these leagues that they play in is a terrible idea like like who who wins in any of this no one jp morgan yeah jp morgan's gonna be the owners of chelsea always rooting for him let's

all right wow get that yacht get that yacht you deserve sorry get that third yacht yikes well that's a very interesting uh development this is going to be fascinating and watch we'll see what happens i cannot wait for the 45 minute phone call i'm gonna have with my father-in-law about this yeah just just let me shout this at me in scottish cannot wait all right well listen he's a liverpool fan and he's upset we will wrap it up there gentlemen thank you i love you thursday we will be back i said gentlemen as in steven jesse uh to you i say thank you so much for listening to the show we really appreciate it we will be back thursday hey, it's going to be an interesting one.

Very curious to see what happens with the Super League between now and then, because I have a feeling there's something fluid here, and I bet there's some sort of... Here's how I believe this will end. UEFA and FIFA will somehow profit from this, but the players will probably not. Folks, we care.

They will probably sign an agreement and work together within the framework. But their thing is like, we got the Champions League, playing our damn Champions League. We're UEFA. We made this. You already have a league.

And they're like, no. so i don't know i'm very interested maybe they're sick of uefa and fifa yeah maybe they're shitty too it's like hey if we're gonna be shitty at least we should profit from it like you know what i mean we're shitty anyway we might as well make some money right like and you got the hordes going we've been through the worst year of our lives can we just watch some goddamn soccer right right yep and it's like 20 rich people infighting adam are you do you do you care about the next Leafs game? You know what?

I thought I did, but then I was told that I do not. I thought I did too. I thought I cared. I thought when the Leafs lost, I was disappointed. When they won, I was excited. But I found out that that is not nearly enough.

Perspective, be damned. You got to poop your pants to care. You are with us or you are against us. And what are you going to be? Right? You're going to care. You just got to care. We love you, Steve.

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