The Steve Dangle Podcast - Catskill | June 9, 2025

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

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Manscaped.com. Let's start the show. Now, before we get into anything, CJ's show coming out today. It will be out by the time this is up, but I should mention there's a lot of cup final talk. Obviously, CJ did the crazy travel from Edmonton to Florida. He's now in Florida. Finally. They talked to potential replacements for DeBoer

and then a bunch of Ask CJ questions, specifically two names that I'm particularly interested in for the Leafs, Marshan and Rasmus Andersen. You've been on the Rasmus Andersen train for a very long time, my friend. For Pete DeBoer replacements? No, no, no, no. How is that going to work?

Well, I mean, listen, they're smart guys. Marshan eventually is going to have to start thinking of his career post-hockey, right? Andersen seems a little young for that. Yeah, you're right. But listen, it's never too early to plan. Marsha Anderson. Marsha Anderson.

Whoa. Leading Dallas to the Cup next year. Marsha Anderson summer. Now, the other thing we need to mention is that the Abbotsford Canucks advanced to the Calder Cup. Which means something to them. It does mean something to them. Now, who are they playing?

Frigging Florida's team. That's right. The Charlotte Checkers. The Charlotte Checkers. So, the Florida Panthers are in the finals of both the AHL and the NHL. I feel like we've asked this question in the past. It just feels like something I should know and I don't. has a team ever won the Stanley cup and the Calder cup in the same year?

Oh, and who was the last team? I have no idea. Like that's just a healthy organization, right? Yes. That's crazy. Yeah.

That's a, that's well run. I would 95. The devils did it with the Albany river rats, the Albany river rats. Does Albany have a team still? Aren't they called the Albany devils? No,

no, no. This is a new devils team. Unless it's the Albany one. I feel Albany. And like for a long time, Binghamton, they just kept pinging around all over the place. AHL is impossible. Albany Devils 2010 to 2017.

Ah, now that it was Binghamton Devils and now they've been the Utica, they've been Utica Comets, the old Vancouver team. Yes. Because they have now at Abbotsford for five years. And it was impossible to fly from Utica to Vancouver, which is why they left. Simply impossible. You can never call anyone out. That's an old throwback.

Yeah, the Albany River Rats are dead. Ah, drowned. Yeah. They drowned. I personally miss the Lowell Devils. Lowell. Lowell. I forgot about Lowell.

There you go. I think we need to put some respect on the Charlotte Checkers because Yessie Pooley-Arvey is having a resurgence, not at the NHL, but at least in a pro hockey career. Who are some of the guys they got? They got Chris Drieger, too, which is a name. Hey. Tobias Bjornfoot.

Who won the cup last year. yes who is a guy um and not a lot of other names is that alex steve's brother ben is that ben steve's uh capo kakanen is another one of the goalies there's a roster player memorial cup winner with the oshawa generals ken appleby yes you were about to mention him i definitely yep um mike benning i don't know maybe he's related to matt it's a small world i recognize a few a few of them rasmus asplen yeah he was a big member of my nhl i want to say 23 streams because he would uh develop his potential was really high so he would develop into a pretty good player and every time he made a play for our team uh i'd scream out

to the Twitch chat, hold on to your Asplen. Yes. That was a lot of fun. His potential was very high, but who was he drafted by? Buffalo. Oh, unfortunately.

That was when I was doing my Sabres franchise rebuild, and he was a part of our organization. He became like a second line player for us. 33rd overall pick. He was the second rounder who was traded for a seventh round pick in 2025. so that's that's quite a fall that is it is uh 20 goals this season sabers catching strays like

for no good reason just because rasmus asplund is up um 20 goals in the ahl 23 assists 43 points not too bad and he's gonna get called up and he's gonna win the con smith who do you guys have in the series oh my god um you know what i'm gonna say the canucks because we saw them play the san barracuda and they killed them now to be fair the barracuda had mostly echl guys whatever they got they crushed they murdered look good yeah we saw them twice that weekend right because they we did back to back the three games set and did we get two goals for the barracuda that weekend it was it was a tough one i i want to say they lost by a combined score it was like 11-2 or something We only saw the teams we were rooting for lose while we were in San Jose.

That's right. That's right. We saw three losses by the Barracuda because one was in a road game, too. That's right. And then we saw the Sharks beat the Leafs. Yep. And then we saw the Sharks lose to the Rangers. We were 0-5.

And the Rangers killed them that night, too. Oh, my God. 0-5, guys. Well done. It's great. Look at us. It's kind of impressive. it is legitimately impressive yeah five losses spread over three teams like i feel like that's

and like six days and six days it's impressive and people people go why are you so negative hey hey fuck off how about that how about that now uh uh let's uh let's start with jesse i want you to pull up this the clip that i sent you because this is we're gonna start how the game ended and how the game ended uh is is for a leaf fan it's it's two things it's exciting because you're like man he'd be great in blue and white but it's also ptsd because man has he done bad things to the blue and white i gotta be honest uh he's like my i don't know fifth or sixth most hated panther like man that's really saying something i respect the man yeah i respect the man. He's turning back the clock. He's playing

great. As CJ likes to say, old guys are having a moment. They legitimately are. It was tied with less than 18 seconds to go by 40-year-old Corey Perry and Brad Marchand, who is an ancient

37, gets a shorthanded goal and the overtime winner. The first player to ever have a shorthanded goal and an OT winner in a playoff game. Can you get out of the way of steve because we'd like steve if you could get out of the way of steve that'd be great all right yeah that's a crazy stat it's a crazy stat but oh this is a crazy

i didn't realize what you were prepping oh boy bouchard is caught marshan breakaway stick lift he scores brad marshan his second breakaway goal of the night wins it in double over time And this Stanley Cup final is tied one game, two, one, heading back to Florida. Marchand, Marchand, Marchand. They weren't there yet. What a play. What a goal. The Panthers steal one in Edmonton.

Oh, boy. Yeah. How about that? Do you think Chris Cuthbert's ever said, oh, boy, on a broadcast? I think he should start. Yeah, I think he should add that to his reference bar. I like an old boy. You ever want tips?

Hey, Chris. Yeah. This is how it's done. I like the old boy. It's good. So after game one, some of the clips from the stream were going viral, and a lot of Oilers fans were like, get this man on a broadcast. Nice.

This guy is great. After this one, where I talked about Marchant's overtime winner, someone named Alberta Oilers fan says, why is this ugly fat fuck that never played so excited for that goal man alberta never never leaves it at home they bring the entire arsenal don't they i want you to look at that tweet analyze it for a second look at all the words point out the lie ugly all right i'm handsome fat never played now i play now i played yesterday does that count Hey, I got an assist.

Hey, you know what doesn't matter? Off a face-off win. Did you guys win? I'm an animal out there. Did you guys win? We did. Hey! We beat the first-place team in the league.

Did you get a point? I got a point. I got a point. Primary? So, you know what's funny? Primary? So, primary. It's my first primary point.

All right, I want you cobra-laying this. But what's crazy is they gave me two assists. I don't think I was on the ice for two goals. So, I don't know where the second assist came from. Just take it. Just take it. It doesn't matter. Take it.

I'm taking it for sure. wow you had a good game jesse might draft you in his next set of streams i'm just saying yeah maybe i'll be as good as rasmus asplen yeah that's true ah that's a high bar yeah now i i tweeted this and i believe this i don't know if i've ever enjoyed the first two games of a stanley cup final as much as i've enjoyed these never so much fun we've had three games in two games they have played the equivalent essentially of nine periods almost in two games which is also great it's the first time that we've got to double overtime since the 2020 finals by the way cory perry scored the winner in that one and we'll get to him in a second uh but i think it's it's just such a um

unbelievable rate of play like one of the things that blew me away about the four nations is the just the talent level in that final was so crazy and actually a lot of the games are not just the final but the final was so intense both canada usa games were insane canada sweden was pretty insane yes even canada finland should not have been that close but the the level of play in this is so impressive because of the attrition and like the war that these two teams went to to get there and i think you know i don't expect the one game four nations final i don't expect the stanley cup final to be at that level because there's so much talent in that game and yet there's so much pace And yet, it looks pretty damn good.

I'm blown away by just how much excitement there is. And I mean, we had, what, five goals in the first period? Yep, five goals. And just neither team seems bothered or phased by basically anything that's going on. What is it like for you guys as Leaf fans watching a team go down, doesn't matter which team in this series,

and not be affected by it? Oh, listen, I was mad at the Leafs when they lost. And, uh, you ever, you ever have something really spicy and drink water and it does nothing. Yeah. Is that what it is? Oh, it's still hot. And I'm still mad. I think of that Seth Jones game seven goal and Brad, you know, Brad, true living said

it to the press. He was like, when they scored that, when Seth Jones scored that, it was like we were down three or four, nothing. And, and that was the first goal. Yeah, no, they, their foundation stinks. No, I'm talking about the Florida Panthers and Edmonton Oilers, though. What's it like to watch teams that doesn't affect us? Steve's larger point.

The larger point is the Panthers and Oilers are built on bedrock. Yeah. That's which I never thought I would say about this Oilers team. And the Leafs foundation stinks. It's not good. I'm so mad they're not still playing. but uh listen like i think i would like to correct uh the narrative out there with the panthers listen i hate you like a lot i don't like you but i respect how good they are outside of how

much i hate them and i said that heading into the leaf series too i said if you just think of them as a goon squad they're going to kill you they're too fast they move the puck too well they can deflect they create off the rush they their special teams are good they get saves they get everything uh a two nothing series lead would have been unreal for edmonton but like it's just it's very unrealistic against this damn team man it's rough they're gonna have to steal one on the road yes now uh i i wanted to ask you guys there's a few things obviously we want to talk about my favorite stat that continues over the playoffs is sam bennett 13 goals now 12 are on the road uh so that means the oilers probably don't need to worry about him too much over the next

he had his first 50 point season this year that's it's crazy but that's it yep and now he's a point a game in the playoff and he doesn't make any sense either he's not leaving i think he's sticking around of course because he like if they win the thing he deserves the consmith trophy i think everybody's gonna yeah that like and at that point you have to just concede whatever number he wants i assume there'll be some sort of consolation because he's gonna stick around florida give him a nice maybe a discount like it won't be the same he'll get on the open market but i don't know how you can just let that player go jess here's what's gonna happen he is gonna he's gonna get the consmith and he's gonna sign for seven mil that's what's gonna happen and and we're going

there will there will be a riot out here right out here but even then you look at that and you say a 50 point player shouldn't be getting seven million dollars like the context through which sam bennett's getting his seven million dollars is so important yes because you can't just look at the regular season numbers and what he is as a player there's a whole thing going on here with sam bennett and yet made team canada and was not playing well heading into that tournament too I remember we were talking about that. He had a really hot start, and we were really concerned because Canada had what looked like no goaltending.

And I was like, well, while we're at it, Mark Shifley is performing incredibly. And, oh, here's Sam Bennett. He hasn't had a point in, like, 12 games or whatever it was. And then, sure enough, in the gold medal game, he scored Canada's second goal. Reminds me of another young, up-and-coming piece of shit in Corey Perry. oh yes Corey Perry in 2010 was a you know already a cup champion but a young up-and-coming piece of shit yeah who was in the middle of his first heart trophy season scores Canada's second goal in the gold medal game for Team Canada um stores Canada's second goal for Team Canada at a boy's while we

are on the subject of Corey Perry I just want to ask because he obviously tied up the game with 17 seconds to go but but Sportsnet wrote something and I'm confused and I can't figure it out okay okay so hit me this is the 4-4 goal 17 seconds to go got it here's what they wrote the clutch goal actually broke a record as the 40 year old former cup winner netted the latest game tying goal in stanley cup final history breaking the previous record set by ted sloan of the toronto maple leafs in 1951 it's it's what what record did he netted the latest game tying goal in stanley cup final history like latest oh latest game yeah latest oh i can see how that would be 40 times i'm like the latest like well yeah like the latest in a game so you

thought latest like has he most recently okay okay i put in the cj show chat nobody responded i was like what the hell what am i doing a lot of words i don't know a lot of final stats are kind of crazy because we're getting all these firsts and latest and you're like but the league's been around over a hundred years there's not that many stanley cup final games yeah there isn't you know so like i'm like ted sloan the 50s 18 seconds surely someone scored one later no no i got one for you what do you got i got one for that i'm watching for when this happens ready it's gonna be really cool connor mcdavid is four points away from sydney crosby in stanley cup final points in his career holy shit can you believe that okay crosby's played in four

four from tying five from passing wait okay fricking crosby this is his second cup final and we're in game two he's played nine cup final game yeah and crosby played what 20 something i don't know what the number is for uh but it's probably in that neighborhood detroit was seven and seven right or six and seven six and seven so there's 13 six against the sharks so now we're at 19 what was the next year and then preds i think was also six yes so 25 can i ask you like that i read that this morning i forget which article in the athletic they had because they've done a whole but they have so many articles each night after the finals but like one of them had mcdavid where he's landing in the the parts of history the more he plays hockey and like that one just

blew my mind okay my question in the group chat on friday night and i think i got some side glances but i still wanted to say it okay how long is it before we're having the conversation that conor mcdavid is the best player of all time and i know people like well he's got to win some championships but yo gretzky respectfully and all the other guys that won championships won them in leagues with like 20 and 21 teams or less and so you know cj and julian had a really interesting chat like 18 months ago about the hall of fame and how we're going to have to start to accept that a lot of players are going to get into the hall of fame without a championship because the league is so much bigger now right and i get it like lebron went to seven or nine

straight finals whatever the hell that number is it was crazy um you gotta be that good to be the best yeah i'm not saying we need to have that chat yet but it's on the horizon it's it's close isn't it like we're talking are we talking conor mcdavid top five ever yet i think we're i think we're a ways away top five forward is reasonable because ever there's there's an argument that crosby is already there and but i i remember i've talked about this before i think it was like 2014 or 15 i think it was my first year at sports net i was like hey i don't know if anyone's paying attention but like crosby might pass eiserman and everyone's like no okay he was hundreds and hundreds of points away and i'm like well then they're like well he's got to stay

healthy he's got to do that okay yeah for sure he didn't stay healthy and still came back right right so past eiserman uh ovechkin oh he could pass gretzky i remember when you brought it up on the show and jesse and i were like you're insane i was on that a decade ago and people were like and then i was me maybe a little bit before covid people like he's got a shot and then it was like oh it's inevitable it's inevitable he's gonna break it um and now matthews is on a trajectory to beat ovi and people are saying the same things which i just find very funny now matthews i think has probably already missed more games in his career than ovechkin so you know that's a huge red flag and but i don't know why not why why not leave yourself

open to the possibility that he could be the greatest i mean i think when you talk about playoff or stanley cup finals points like he already has our conversations are always well listen yeah regular season's great but when it counts well that's when it counts isn't it yeah but your your question is like when should we be having that conversation i think that conversation like very premature does he need like two championships is it one championship what are we talking about where he hasn't done like nearly the same amount as career sydney crosby like it's not even close like we're a decade away from him just having the amount of time and games to build the resume that sydney crosby right so i mean he's gonna hopefully he gets i

mean i'm praying for this a gold medal in 2026 here that'd be awesome yeah maybe a championship so so again with gretzky he's so far ahead of his peers yes so that's oh you're not even talking crosby you're talking you're talking gretzky i'm talking gretzky yeah oh no so i know he's that far ahead but we're grading on a curve here no but playoff points like just to emphasize no one has 300 points in the playoffs except for Gretzky he has 382 almost 400 the second place guy is Mark Messier who is his teammate the third place guy is Yari Curry who is his teammate his the fourth place guy is Glenn Anderson who is his teammate and his line mate the closest next or the closest non-Gretzky

teammate is Jaromir Jager. Wow. At number five who had 201. How many does McDavid have? Just for fun. Well, Crosby, by the way, is tied with Jager with 201. Whoa. Crosby's he's an all-timer. He's an absolute all-timer. Where is who? Where's

McDavid? He's got to be so far back. Oh, wow. He is tied for 33rd in in all-time playoff points with brian prop uh one point ahead is marion hosa two points ahead of stan makita how many points how many points does he have 148 okay by the way 29th all-time brad marchand nice man like again i've always been a big proponent of appreciating the greats

while they're still playing you don't need the full body of work right like the trajectory they're on is simply cracked and playoff points are they're much harder to predict or forecast you don't know until they arrive Crosby could have 400 if the Penguins kept making the playoffs and going on deep runs but they're not it's and when was the last time Crosby won a playoff round 20 wasn't it the Stanley Cup run maybe that's that's the case for the Capitals have they won round oh no it was the case for the capitals and they won this year they went around yeah yeah yeah no it's the penguins have been crosby's been putting up like seven eight or nine points in six or seven games for like seven years when uh when do we get some answers on what the penguins

are doing i'm interested never kyle dubas is their gene i know it's crazy uh so yeah with that conversation like i don't think there's like i don't think that should stop anybody from having like mcdavid's an all-time great uh conversation certainly if he retired today he's in the hall of fame yes easily like mcdavid's already punched his ticket into the hall of fame i think that's like and i think your conversation about appreciating the greats like all of that's excellent but saying that he's past gretzky now or how i all i said was how long until we start hinting in that conversation because to me it feels like we're closer than we even imagine like it could be two or three years and then we're having that conversation does that make sense

and that's pretty close like you consider wayne gretzky and the shit that he did and his 2 000 points and all that stuff like i do feel like connor i know do i think connor's ever going to have a 215 point season not likely but you have to remember that wayne gretzky was playing guys with like feathers in their pads yes right like it's a different game i think more than two years has to pass before mcdavid's in the same stratosphere as gretzky uh that's my opinion just to show you how special uh these oilers are and yes we will obviously glaze the panthers as well um leon dry sidle is tied for 45th all time he is not all that far behind uh mcdavid mcdavid 148 dry sidle is 137 tied with phil esposito one point back of patrick cane wow and all the great

runs he went on two points back of his teammate cory perry wow dude they're they're unbelievable uh i'm surprised there aren't more panthers there um just because this is their third straight the penguins last won a playoff round in 1718 they beat the flyers in the first round okay so that was the year after their last cup yes they won the cup in uh 7 16 17 so wow yeah it's been a while since crosby has been to the second round connor honestly david has has more points than alex ovechkin in 18 fewer games that's nice oh my god i i i want to i want to say that at some point i i want to have the steve dangle video of how the panthers have wasted the late crosby years they've completely like the the panthers the panthers excuse me the penguins oh they definitely

have done that yeah the panthers wasted it by finishing ahead of them but yes yes uh by daring to make the playoffs and the penguins should be in it's it's like the the ownership the choices they made at management oh it's just so bad that doesn't sound like a steve dangle video that sounds like a segment on this podcast by you adam well i think sounds like yeah no up and we say zoom in crosby and hero wasted yeah and then adam talks about the penguins for 20 minutes i want man it's it makes me mad it just makes me upset anyway sorry yeah you should have that conversation all right all right well we can do that i'll get some i'll do some stats uh the other thing i love this quote from paul maurice that's right i said i love something from paul maurice he said on the

jones mickel appearing he said they can hold hands in the middle and cover the boards they're so big right the range oh and like you know it's sort of like the kevin durant sort of like stretching his arms out um it's a good it's a really really good way to put it and you know there's been some discussion that today about defensemen over six feet and teams and what they bring to the finals and i have to do a little bit more digging on this but they're i mean brad true living i'm looking at this from brad true living from a toronto perspective everybody on toronto's defense is like six foot one or six foot two or higher and it looks like that's that's what edmonton's done that's what um uh uh florida's done and it seems to be in the playoffs when things tighten

up you need you need extra you either got to be the one doling out the punishment or durable like so i look at a guy like gus forsling as durable right he'll he'll block the shots he can win you board battles how many hits is he gonna lay i don't know how hard are they gonna be i don't know and then there's like nico micola yeah and aaron who just keeps getting better by the way it's very frustrating yeah yes um both teams are a like listen we we telegraphed this we predicted this about a decade ago when like alex de brinquet was falling out of the first round for no good reason literally no good reason other than he's small i think he had back to back maybe even back to back to back 50 goal seasons in the ohl nobody does that there was no reason

for him to be a a second round pick other than he was small that happened he was instantly good in chicago and the the pendulum swung it was like i hate this let's trade him well yeah it's very strange but the pendulum swung and everyone's going after these little guys the best little guys are durable though like are they all brendan gallagher necessarily no no but but they're at very least durable theo flurry durable yes and then you know tom wilson right around that same time signed this huge deal and at that time in his career really hadn't done much offensively and we were like what is that and i was like well wait dubas loved loved to talk about and people who loved him used to talk about market inefficiency and it was it was smart we're

overlooking all these little guys because they're little do they score okay well hockey's scoring contests so get the guys who score and it was smart but then wilson signs a huge deal and i'm like oh look around the league there's no other tom wilson tom wilson is the market inefficiency now yep and now the pendulum is swinging way aggressively back the other way where it's all these huge dudes who are skilled and violent sam bennett was like drafted at the wrong moment you know what i mean um he was the skinny fourth overall pick could do any pull-ups at the uh at the combine probably had a shoulder injury yeah stupid i remember so stupid talking about that on the podcast i'm like how important is being able to do that yeah and it's not like and you

know it's difficult you know having a body like a bag of milk and asking that question but like it seems pretty it's not just that he's a great player in the league it's the type of player he is like in 2014 i couldn't i could have never imagined that this is the type of player he would turn into i could easily picture him being good it's the fourth overall pick he did very well jr but this guy's a bastard an absolute bastard out there so it's no wonder that every year it's durable teams and bullying teams that make it to the final four and then the stanley cup final here's the final four stat for you with big guys the carolina panthers were the only fine carolina panther carolina hurricanes the carolina panthers exist too um the carolina hurricanes were

the only team amongst the final four teams to ice defensemen who were under six feet. Sean Walker, Gostis, Baer, and Orlov are all 5'11". The Stars, Oilers, and Panthers don't have any defensemen

under six feet. Troy Stetcher is a little shorter, but he's not amongst the regular. And the Hurricanes got run the F over. There you go. The big guys, the big teams, they were rushed. You could probably have won. is it kale mccarr shorter than six isn't he like 5 11 i don't know like like and he's

otherworldly jake wallman who's an important piece of the series it's six foot it's six foot you know like that's what he's probably 5 11 i don't really he looks bigger than it on the ice that's what nhl's all right so yeah and they they probably give him a couple a couple inches yeah probably five five the stats are also ass the the height stats are also yeah so but that's just like everybody's measured against whatever's there you know i don't have any other jesse doesn't have the inside track on walmart actually 76 foot and sources i think it's interesting that carolina is the only team with with defensemen under six feet well and it's interesting that they keep making it a certain distance yeah they're just a different version of toronto

obviously a more successful one well they're they're more successful can see that right away like it's not how is it even a question it's not i think toronto's copied from their homework a little bit right in order to get bigger at every turn that we hold the hurricanes in this regard but they're built completely differently one's built with a core of star players the other one's built with we're gonna all do it as a team which always confused me no no but jesse they have the core of of star players but what you're forgetting is i'm so fucking smart i'm so fucking smart i'm sorry i'm gonna be able to surround all these stars with league men guys from wherever the fuck and we're gonna win the cup because i'm so unbelievably smart oh i'm so goddamn smart

man i'm only gonna break red bread with people i would die with you know yeah i'm gonna be so mediocre and get promoted and a raise and i'm gonna be so fucking smart somewhere else i want to talk about you're gonna give yourself the gm job yeah yeah man because why would i hire someone who's not nearly as smart as me i i maintain that as an all-time dumb decision hire a general manager let them take the shit why would you if you're the president you don't take the shit he never learned that like look at shane shane went through three of them he didn't learn a lot of things and by the way anyone who's like stop making it about the leafs hey we're doing it to dump on them yeah uh i want to talk about the three two goal and i just i sent jesse the text

on this this is the power play goal and again i know the panthers won this game but this why were they on the power play why were they on the power play because sam bennett is a dirty dirty cheater yeah who tried to injure stewart skinner yeah the amount of people who bent their very smooth brains into balloon animals to say Bennett wasn't trying to do what he was very obviously trying to do was come on come on come on of course he was there's a lot of oops that's why he's so good at it that's the point guys that that's it that's that's how he does it is he makes you it makes to feel like oh but why is it always the same guy bro come on stop all right now and i'm supposed

to feel bad when you call me like you there was quite a few defenders of sam bennett oh it was odd because how many times can you go through that a lot of people want that scoop like if it's if it's somebody else like give them the benefit of the doubt but it's not somebody else it's the same guy over and over and over again and he saw an opportunity he got a little pushed and he's like i'm gonna hop down on the ground if i land on stewart skinner's leg it's a good thing so the the the feedback and i do have to bring it back to the leafs again but i promise it's valid um if bennett was on your team you would love him yeah he's a player on my team now here's what i wouldn't do though blindly defend him now and and i can prove that well you guys didn't have some

cadre yep when he got suspended we were like naz you frigging idiot and that's why even though the trade sucked ass it was bringing him back was unjustifiable it was unjustifiable he cost you two years and then he went to colorado and cost them a year and no one remembers that because then they won yeah it all ended good and he was good and cashed out and then it was like oh see i'm not a playoff liability even though i ruined three of them like because he won the cup right But it's about Sam Bennett. Yeah, no, no, no. I know.

It's about Sam Bennett. No, no, no. Yeah, get there. But what he does, because he's on your favorite team, carte blanche. You do whatever you want. Bring a box cutter on the ice next time. It's fine.

Nas, I mean, there was a little garnish around it. Like, what he did to Jake DeBrusque was inexcusable. The argument that I made and a lot of Leaf fans made was the refs let that game get out of hand which they did and you know do you love how do you feel about your monster dr frankenstein they created it and then when naz goes nuclear they're like oh my goodness and you know i was about to say sam bennett's gonna seriously hurt someone he's already done that yeah i don't care yeah this already happened right and i haven't seen anyone go he shouldn't have done that but it was you know what maybe this reaction's a bit overblown

it's your your your gaslighting the entire hockey world and that's okay i've also seen people go i don't want them on my team because that's not how i want to win and i think i'm so stupid i'm past that i'm past i'd like to just win i i would like a team a roster of borderline slash recovering criminals to win the stanley cup and have their names engraved and we all have a parade i would love i don't care and you can complain and also blow your nose why don't you respect the florida panthers i i mean i respect them yeah but you don't like them he just doesn't but i don't like them but that's how you want your team to be built no but if that's how you have to win which and i mean here's maddie's confused i gotta this this is important this is a fair questioning right

this is yes and i'm trying to give you a fair answer it is worth mentioning that the oilers are not blameless angels either they did you see after the star season uh what they said about rope hence his foot no the reason he didn't play game three i think of that series is because his foot would not stop bleeding oh shit which is metal as hell because if it if it had stopped bleeding it seems to imply he would have played but they literally couldn't get his foot to stop bleeding and that's from a darn owner slash and was he must have hit it hard holy shit he got a he got a two-minute minor so like and then and then bouchard hits him the next time he's in away from the play just like yeah i'm gonna stop bleeding yeah and like perry got pushed into bob

but he took full advantage yeah he got pushed and then he's like and and he just torpedoed the guy and you know everyone who's like well that's not how i want my team to well then your team's going to lose forever because this is how you win in the nhl is by being just hunks of shit just such bad people uh and then people will nationally uh over the span of weeks do profiles on how you're amazing a good person you're just such a good person and how much your team and and tear flesh from bone with your own teeth uh let's have a look at the connor mcdaniel David move that leads to the Leon Dreisaitl goal after the Sam Bennett penalty.

So we can't really show it, but we can show some stills here, I guess. Just the toe drag. The toe drag is what we need. Barkov, by the way, has been not good in this series. I'm just going to say it. Get a Lindell jersey, I'm telling you. And this one. Aaron Ekblad and set you on fire.

And Dowsu and Kerosene set you on fire. Barkov, by the way. Oh my God. That's so good. And then you have like Barkov in the back reaching like it's gray visual well and if you're Forsling like Forsling's body language is they got it they got it oh fuck like you barely even have time to form the thought oh fuck in your head and Leon the whole way head up knowing that McDavid can get him this puck at any moment just be ready it's uh

it's like one of the best plays I've ever seen it it's just considering the moment you know Stanley Cup final um to go up a goal it's it's a play that only like legends are making now I've got a couple of things that we we can't run we can't run the video from this but we can run the audio and it's what leon dry saddle had to say about it let me just while jesse's pulling that up let me give you a crazy stat that you're not going to believe me on and you're going to double check it but don't worry you don't have to i just did okay great sasha barkov in his last four games is a minus nine in his last four games two in the stanley cup the last two games of the carolina panther carolina hurricane series minus nine i got so much shit for um during the leafs panther

series being like okay well kachuk is obviously not okay and the other two names i remember bringing up often were forsling who was so unbelievable last year i still think he's battling something but he's obviously still playing well and he's playing through it and the other guy was Barkov and it was weird to get pushback on account of he got injured in the first round yeah what are you talking about yeah so here's we saw it we saw him get injured and they're three and one oh yeah oh yeah they're three and one of those games they're three and one yeah but you know why because they've got other games where he's minus nine yeah oh yeah you know it's crazy they they have other lines they have other damn lines Anton Lindell man

yeah telling you uh that is the the one thing about Bennett's contract that is very interesting to me because i mean it's i think he's just gonna stay in florida you already have barkov making 10 bennett's gonna get something very aggravating like seven what's lindell's next contract look like i don't know when is it together when is it up no you don't you you you train him for assets you find florida finds how do you think they found lindell they found him they'll find in the next guy oh my god or you just make ben in a winger yeah whatever i'll figure it out uh okay jesse also the cap's going up crazy so i'm sure they'll be able to find it the correct answer is they trade barhoff uh what all right uh let's there's a leon clip and then there's an aaron ekblad clip

so we can run i believe the ekblad clip but i don't think we can run the leon clip uh only audio on this but here's leon or sorry connor mcdavid was asked about that toe drag through the two panthers uh on the power play and said how do you how do you learn that how do you teach that kids kids that go ahead jesse connor i know you don't like talking about yourself but i want to ask about the assist to leon last game like i know that's a product of talent and years of skill work but if there's a kid out there who's like how did he do that like what would you say to him um uh yeah how how do you develop that yeah i mean it's it's um as you said you know a lot but Locke goes into that, you know.

As you said, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how to answer that. You can't learn that. Let me answer it for you. Yeah, I'll answer it for him. I thought that was a great clip. It's a great teammate.

Leon Dreisaitl answering a question for Conor McDavid so that McDavid doesn't feel pressure and he can win. I don't know why these guys keep asking them questions. Are you trying to make them lose? Leon said they like the pressure. They enjoy the pressure. You don't like talking about yourself. So I like that.

Also, I think Max Domi had a diabetes walk this weekend, and he was talking to some media outlets, and he said it's a privilege to play in the kind of pressure Toronto offers. No. No, he believes that, though. No. steve you're wondering about the lindell contract like how do they keep it all together he's signed through 2030 yeah what yeah is he actually what's his deal uh five million oh my god

oh yeah i don't i don't know if they're worried about that anytime soon oh i don't like you oh that's so annoying they signed it uh last july yo that is going to be i'm telling you one of the biggest sweetheart contracts in the entire nhl yeah he's like 22 six years 30 million five per season oh my god yep oh oh oh i really i don't like you guys i would like you to stop okay all right so then there's the i just sent you the other clip uh this is aaron ekblad who was burned on that play talking about it you know i think there was some play mcdavid made on the power play there what's the biggest challenge when he's got the kind of situation uh he's got multiple options um so that's the biggest challenge right you're

trying to block a shot you're trying to block a low pass a backdoor pass and uh a walk on water toe drag so uh yeah mcjesus i just thought that was good a little sign of respect uh great answer yeah really really really good answer and he didn't just go oh he's incredible no he gave you the real like here's what i'm trying to do here's what i'm trying to do here are all the things i have to process at once at mock billion and you know a little and i got burned by the best player on earth walk on water toad right i mean it's a disgusting toad it's crazy it's absolutely disgusting crazy and like look at him he like well i mean they won so i guess that definitely helps but like he's not even embarrassed by it well why would you be it's the best player

in the world you know pud coleson does that to you you maybe go home like and he's been playing well talk it was wrong about this guy now i know for sure yeah he's the guy i just picked the name out of a hat but like that's connor mcdavid right yeah jesus yep 100 100 okay you know what so we'll leave the finals there steve's obviously got his watch along tonight uh and then obviously uh we don't get a game till thursday uh so friday will be the recap episode but we will have monday wednesday friday this week on the sdp for anybody wondering because we have had to move things around yeah recently but we don't have to do that this week i think this series is about to go off the rails a little i can't wait because game three is tonight i still think this one will be

relatively normal ish we'll see but then the two-day gap without travel in florida and then there's only a day gap yeah between games four and five uh there's gonna be some sore bodies yeah sore bodies i think that's gonna be a hit fest i uh i how likely i know this sounds this is a really unfair question but how likely because this is a big big game how likely is it that tonight's winner is the cup winner in your mind guys like do you think it has any factor on this i mean obviously winning a game has a factor outside of that though the mental edge you always feel like you're coming from behind these guys don't seem to be worried about that like oh i've been behind before the thing i'm most worried about with the edmonton oilers is that long

change i know steve you brought it up a little bit too and i think more people are starting to notice and it's being talked about they struggle in that second period it's the panthers well they're struggling because the panthers are so good at yeah right yeah it's so the fact that now the panthers are at home and it's two times you know no no it's still it's still the one oh it's still the one oh yeah because you're coming i know but i thought that too and then it was like wait oh no yeah no you're right yeah it'll just be the one but like the panthers having the match up with that now on top of that i don't know i think there's opportunity here for the panthers to get an early one here and put some real pressure on the series yeah both games three one

games one and two were structured almost identically oilers vastly outshot them in the first period games one and two panthers just murdered them in the second period both games and then third was a little bit more even oilers having to come back both times oilers have to stop playing with fire you're you're gonna need some some stops here and you're gonna need a little bit more offense than you're getting in in the second period you can't go into the third losing again yeah you're listen it's been real fun to watch you you eked out the first one you beat them for the first time in 32 games or whatever it was coughing up a lead you tied it last game i don't think you can win a cup on miracles alone you have to vegas vegas almost

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And the first one that everybody's freaking out about that i don't think you should but i understand why it's a big story is the three-way trade with toronto carolina and vegas that supposedly was discussed but really didn't even come close to coming together at the trade deadline it would have been miko ranton and in toronto mitch marner in vegas and i don't know what would have gone to carolina i would think like a william carlson or something like maybe i don't know i don't know uh but here's the thing uh the um uh the the vegas and carolina were unable to quote come up with the assets to make the trade work and what's interesting about that is then uh they pivoted to just toronto carolina which we obviously already

knew about and mitch in this scenario was never even asked from what we understand to waive his no trade i don't think james said that but i from what i understand from from people i've talked to you and so it didn't get that far down the line yeah it's like it's sort of like hey do you want to buy a ferrari someday like it's sort of yeah it's one of those conversations these these things happen all the time all the gms talk about trade yes you know so and people are already i see people online i see you and you're already like what mitch did mitch didn't wave his note guys at no point was mitch waving his no trade clause this spring his wife was four weeks from giving birth stop stop it he told the team at the start of the year i am not waving i am not negotiating

and this whole so then which is frustrating but but then you shouldn't have let it happen His contractual right. We've already been through this. The number two thing that I found way more interesting and kind of encouraging is the Leafs and Max Pacioretty could get back together. It was a tough season with injuries, obviously. Played like 37 games. But in the playoffs, he was spectacular.

And why wouldn't you want that kind of depth? And are you upset if Max Pacioretty plays no more than about 40 games over the course of the season, depending upon what you're paying him? because to me, and I think Freed was talking about this on 32 Thoughts this morning with Jamie Benn. Jamie Benn is probably going to stay in Dallas, had 49 points, and is a valuable player and is still the captain,

and you probably get him on a pretty sweet deal. And the thing about him that Elliot kept saying was they got to find a way to get him fresh for the playoffs. So just like with goaltenders, like load management, everybody's like, oh, there's a bunch of wimps. When you get into your late 30s and the game is as fast as it is,

I don't really care if Max Pacioretty misses 50 games. I care if he plays like he did in the playoffs. Jamie Benn, games played the last four years, 22-82, 23-82, 24-82, 25-80. The guy plays hockey. And you're talking playoffs in there, right? Oh, yeah, and then plus the playoff games. Those are just the regular season games played.

Jamie Benn is always in the lineup. uh six goals six assists 12 points in 17 playoff games do you want me yeah yeah okay great you want a vander kane nice he didn't play a single game this i do want a vander kane on my hockey team he's a very good performer yeah you know like so you might look at it and go listen i know you got to get through the regular season but listen you're the least you find a guy who performs well for you in the playoffs and maybe keep them adam do you want to explain the place that alan and you guys discussed on agent roctor a couple weeks ago about where he thinks the league is going with the older players of their contract so this is fascinating you know

one of the things and i'm going to bring it up a little bit later the ottawa senators are not committed to spending the cap next season and before we look at that as like a bad thing alan kind of mentioned that you're going to start to see uh guys in and i'm not saying this is max but in his age range you're plus 35s right where you get the contracts and a lot of these contracts are not signed so jamie ben falls into this category too where you can just load them up with bonuses based on their play and so what happens then is you may not see some of these guys signed until december or january uh because they're just going to stay in shape they're going to stay home with their family uh and then they're going to get geared up and ready for the

playoffs in the in you know in 2026 and he said that type of reinforcement is really attractive to teams especially teams with a little bit of cap space because you're not giving up any assets and you're getting experience and the guys are fresh well and if you're under a pto deal can't they just work with your staff anyway i don't know i don't know what that is but the pto only lasts their training camp training camp right oh brandon prust i remember years ago stayed with the Leafs for it was I want to say it was like a month before they cut him loose like can you have like a PTO from October to January that's a question for Alan yeah that's a it's a really good question I I would like to know the answer to that but I don't know so I think the the point

is that you know guys like this Jamie Benz the other one uh but there will be you know what did CJ keep saying old guys having a moment right uh old guy season your Corey Perry's your Brad marshans all these guys are now into that range old guy agenda i'm curious about max patch ready and if you know he did mention it was tough on him being that far away from his family there in michigan and i know that's not that crazy far but it's still like a five hour drive from toronto far enough and and he has five children so it's difficult to uproot them an hour per child if you 100 it's too far if you had max if you knew max patch ready was coming back and you were going to sign him in at january 15th or something like that yeah that's pretty good and you know what

it does too until that time it gives you an opportunity to try out some of the younger guys in your system and go do you fit here do you fit a lot of fire under right as well as max is coming and you can tell them that max is coming so if you want a spot you better seize one well your your job is over that three or four months to make it so that the team's looking and going you know and maybe we don't even need max yeah that's your job yeah and if you can't accomplish that goal well i agree it's your fault i agree the no risk for the injury side of things i think has got to be one of the most attractive parts oh for teams like patch already got injured this season you know and he didn't play for large chunks of it because he was playing early on

and if you just don't have him playing competitive hockey for four months you have to worry about him not being available come playoff time like that's a really attractive for these teams i agree you know you're getting a healthy body it's awesome and that's the thing like you look at the why what do you really need max patch ready for 82 games is max patch ready if max patch ready at this point is going to make or break your regular season you're not that good and he's probably not signing there i got a goal and three assists four points in five games you want me yeah gabriel landiscock oh pretty good there you go well i mean he's we know where he's staying well i know but like this is this is what i'm saying with him with with kane um guys what do we do how about

half the panthers well and i look at i've suggested this before for the leafs uh and i'll we'll talk about the senators in a second because i think they're they're an important example we as leaf fans are not used to the toronto maple leafs having any sort of cap space because they the david clarkson contract and the ltr nathan horton thing and then the cap gets eaten up by the core four who needed to have every damn dollar and then cap goes flat for three and a half four years and now we're in a new era where we probably should have been five or six years ago where the cap is expanding and it's going rapidly and we know it's going to jump 10 million bucks a year basically maybe even more and so what happens and teams who don't spend at the cap will tell you

this is that you accumulate space over the course of the year right so what looks like five or six million dollars is equivalent to like 30 million or something i'm making that up but come playoff like trade deadline time it's a bigger number and the cap space like a team like the leafs who i think and i would advocate for uh a step back year this year a year where you're not a hundred thousand percent going for it um could benefit from something like that by facilitating trades and getting draft picks and maybe lower-end prospects by helping teams that are really going for it go for it. And so if you have five or six million bucks,

that's a very valuable amount of space come post-Olympics. And I think if the Leafs play this one intelligently, not only are you going to be able to sign guys like Max, who knows who else will be available? Is Jonathan Tays going to be ready for next season to start? I don't know. Apparently, Winnipeg has the spot ready for him, ready to go. but he's 37 and no and hasn't played in two years no Lowry no Lowry maybe the second Lowry comes

back all right now we sit Taves yeah I don't know right a little while and then maybe at some point towards the end of the season they both play together but it's it's a kind of a fascinating sort of thing right and I think the same thing with goaltending I'm sure there's going to be goaltenders who are a little bit older who can sit for a little bit and wait like Kevin Lankan and waited right in a training camp net last year and put together a pretty damn good season with Canucks and he could do it as a goalie who's used to sitting and then there's Jeremy Swayman and it ruined a season yes yes isn't that crazy yeah it's um the last one that that James sort of well there's a couple more he mentions in his article but um James is suggesting and I think

we've heard this from other people too that the Anaheim offer is going to be basically Anaheim is signaling that their offer to Mitch Marner and free agency is going to be the highest the godfather offer yes whether whether or not whether or not he takes it it will be more than say like because leon's gonna make 14 million it's gonna be more than leon it's gonna be more than that yeah like and i've heard as high as 15 is marty going to be the highest paid player in the nhl next year if he's it depends on this is the thing it depends on what he wants and for everything that i've heard that he wants he wants to be on a winning team which means he's not going to be the highest paid player in the nhl 13 million was available available to tavaris in 2018 from san

jose who were going for it still right and fell right off a cliff after that i think that would have aggressively changed their plans because wasn't that before they got eric carlson i don't remember i don't i don't know but i mean i have a hard time believing they would have been able to have all of that and carlson and tavaris um so these huge ginormous cap hits that keep getting floated out there they've been available for years they haven't been available where you can win yes and they're not this year you look at you look at the teams like like dallas is what five million bucks to spend uh vegas has doesn't dallas have like negative money yeah they're like they have nothing it's great it's kind of nuts they're gonna get offer sheeted if the pant like

Like, the Panthers are very seriously interested in Marner from everything that we've heard. And why wouldn't he be interested in them? They're in the Stanley Cup final. But if you're going to Florida, maybe that's a $10 or $11 million deal. That's not a $15 or $16 million deal. What do you think about Carolina?

They have, I think, $30 million in cap space. Yep. They could do the giant offer like Anaheim and be in a position to win. I got to say, I've been fully supportive of uh like listen turn down the trade you got to protect your family and all that if he goes to carolina after turning down a trade there for miko ranton what are you gonna do i think i might be upset well oh yeah yeah but his wife his wife was four weeks away you you wouldn't have waved

either i wouldn't have waved either you're totally right and i i support it but a lot of people are gonna have a really really hard time stomaching that i agree it doesn't matter though he doesn't care well i know he doesn't care well apparently he does care though well let's stop saying he doesn't care he very aggressively cares does carolina not make a lot of sense for the team that is in the stylistically big the right competitive window who needs a star player they they need probably more of a scorer but mitch marner can facilitate scoring i think with aho is crazy i think everybody can agree with that and they have the cap space i would say he's the best carolina hurricane that isn't currently one and what i mean by that jesse

is i think you nailed it yeah that is he is perfect for that but the problem becomes when you get to the second and third rounds although that's still a great problem to have perimeter like carolina plays doesn't work yeah and i'm not even talking about like i don't even want to get that far right i'm just talking about come july 1st yeah do they not make a lot of let's not worry about july 2nd they were willing to go over 13 on miko i think i tell you what so jesse just said something very important there though july 2nd bullshit mitch july 1st noon get this over with yeah i agree it'll be the first video we do in the summer i want this to be done it will be i'm the first transaction we hear about at noon oh

july 1st actually the only thing that will stop it is the bidding war the inevitable bidding war there will be oh not if his agent does his job yeah yeah the bidding war takes place on the 29th and the 30th get ready for the tampering olympics uh the last oh one uh where are you where are you guys ranking the marner teams because vegas is the one that's being talked about a lot recently with that trade and everything but they only have nine million million dollars in cash somebody into this they got to make some moves carolina makes a lot of sense there's the anaheim there's florida there's not coming back to toronto okay so where do you guys what's your ranking of where mitch marner so so i'll i'll say this uh florida makes a ton of sense

dallas makes a boat load of sense i don't think so after they got marner and rant yeah i don't think i think dallas man i don't think so no one team i've heard emerge because taxes are a real thing in California taxes are a real thing for these players they do consider them Los Angeles man Los Angeles big city small market in the sense that like we've even had Kings fans reach out and go hey guys you know Anze Kopitar is barely known here and it's embarrassing Marner to Trevor Moore score yeah sorry um uh I think I think I think and I don't mean like LA is like a small market team by NHL standards it's not but what I mean is like in terms of sports coverage in that market you have a hardcore fan base

but you got two or three NFL teams already that are more important I would have I would even say that the Raiders are more important in LA even though they're in Vegas now then then then the Kings might be and I think I think Los Angeles makes a ton of sense of my top

three weirdly are I'm still saying Dallas and the bad Florida Los Angeles Steve let's go number three la adam sold me oh this is a good pitch yeah yeah um let's go number two don draper that you sold the ad carolina and number one because this allows me to tack on my pet theory vegas how will how will vegas open up their cap space my pet theory is they trade mark stone

interesting now here's a thought part of the way that vegas could pay for mitch marner deferred salary nope ltir because friege was saying this morning that petrangelo might not be ready for the start of the year and he said he's heard that before and he's played but here's the thing if you're petro and let's say you've given up the like because team canada we talked about this last episode i know i love petrangelo he's not playing but he may not play in the olympics because a uh he gave up his spot and was filled in for perfectly by thomas harley uh when harley got in they're already setting it up i don't think he's gonna go no there's and i think he wants to win a cup in the i wonder if petrangelo sits a season they're they're setting it up um that might be

extreme he missed the four nation face off uh they're already floating he might not start the season he ain't gonna be at the olympics he's busted and you can see why yeah he plays hard if they if they get rid of no one and and get mitch listen i i it's hard to imagine mark stone not on that team now but i can also see your theory working and it's not because stone's a bad player no he's great it's it's vegas he gets hurt a lot and it's vegas they need to remind everyone how ruthless they are their point is are you at your peak if you're not you're out yep yep that's everybody absolutely everybody goodbye hey if you're bored of your streaming services after a winter of being kept inside and burning through all the content so

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comes in and offers them 100 million dollars over seven years okay that's a crazy amount of money you take the four first round picks yeah four first round picks and you just that love funny thing about that adam is it's not happening right and he's not gonna sign it he's not a good rfa candidate no he's not or sorry he's not a good offer sheet candidate no he's not maverick bork now now we're talking very good we're cooking candidate yeah yeah like it's usually not those guys way up here it's guys like dylan holloway who regrets it by the way i don't know that he does well he fired his agent okay but i i still don't know that he regrets that now he might just not like his agent that that that is a huge jump between dylan holloway went to st louis and had

65 points yes he would not have had that he's gonna make a fortune three uh he's gonna make a fortune man now i'm reading admittedly because they are more active than other fan bases because their team is still in it i'm reading too many oilers tweets you're reading too many oilers tweets so he didn't fire his he didn't fire his agent because the oilers are in the cup final that doesn't make any sense no because you could have signed a one year with edmonton and and made what 875 like they weren't offering him much the the theory what they're doing is they're applying his st louis numbers to the oilers which just wouldn't happen that would never have happened look how deep this Oilers team yeah so it's guys like Holloway it's guys

like Broberg I think Bork is a really good candidate I you know what I want to see um another cockney in me yeah yeah no one of those um offer sheets where you don't even have to give compensation is that under two and a half million I think it's under one and a half is that how low it is and i'm i'm like so that's a free agent well if you were a bad team and you're like okay well this guy is fast and he works hard and he scores there's some warts to his game but we're not spending to the cap we can afford it if you go like a hair under 1.5 million for robertson nick robertson i don't think the leaves match it 1.54 is the compensation it's for zero yeah is the bottom i think the leafs match it and go we'll give you cali yarn croak

i'm kidding i like maybe they try to work out some sort of deal but like i don't know there's a lot of players out there you could sign and give up nothing yep yep why not if your team's struggling why not yeah and looking at this uh compensation list i would take four first first round picks instead of uh signing matthew nice to 11 million dollars how many players in the league would you rather have than four first round picks uh you start with mcdavid like is the number greater than 50 is the number greater than 30 is it greater than 20 yeah no there's a lot of guys i'm trading for four first round comment section four first round picks who are you taking well i i think if the least we're going to take a step back year which

i think they are you can you can parlay up fourth uh first round picks into a lot oh i don't have any first round picks for the next three years now i do and one plus one yeah yeah it's interesting also you don't get matthew nice i want matthew nice yeah of course i know i think he's the next captain i do no one's giving him 100 mil uh leafs uh in the time we've done our last show to this one uh and we talked about him on the show on friday derrick lalon was hired as an assistant coach for the leafs steve you did a video about him what did you find out uh so we're replacing lane lambert right on the defensive that's my assumption but they haven't outright said that okay so with lane lambert it was a way easier video well it was way easier to come to a

conclusion the research was far more difficult because i had to go over more seasons um throughout his career lane lambert has spent most of his time in the nhl as a coach as an assistant or an associate which i don't whatever the same thing for the layman which i am um derrick lalonde actually has a surprisingly short nhl resume he coached a ton in college he coached a ton in the ushl he coached in the ahl uh he won a championship in the echl as well um the only assistant coach experience you can look at for derrick lalonde is his time with the lightning which was stupendous yeah and so we talked about him as a head coach candidate for dallas yep he was a head coach in detroit he didn't do very well is he bad coach bad roster both i don't know oh horrible roster

construction and probably made some bad choices probably did like that's the thing you gotta whenever you're you cheer for a team like that and the leafs were that for so long if you don't make if you don't make the lines exactly the way i want to they're gonna lose every game but if you do what i say probably finish first place that's how it goes lalonde it's all you have to to to look at is four years with the lightning president's trophy and all-time collapse cup cup cup final so the only evidence of him as an assistant or associate coach is that he's pretty good at it yep so yeah well they're saying uh they're saying glenn gullison might might be a i know it's a candidate for the dallas job and like you look at the i

think he coached who was he the head coach of in like 2010 flames flames no no he was a head coach in dallas that was dallas yeah yeah so he might actually get it again and like when he was flames coach we used to i used to call him like mr misery he just looked miserable but with edmonton he's been spectacular and sometimes like with lame lambert it you take a step back you become assistant coach again and then you learn a bunch and i i wish lane well because he was spectacular here uh and then you become the head coach you were always supposed to be something about glenn gullison's hair makes him look like a smug gym leader in pokemon yeah you know i like that i like that a little bit but you look at what he's done in edmonton and he's been spectacular and

you know i think the i guess the point here is that lalonde i'm open to i think he's got a great hockey brain i i maintain that he's maybe not the most electric television personality out there so what uh but that'll be i don't give a shit about that i care about what coach and assistant coach are different jobs yeah they're different jobs and and that's how i looked at it with lambert because everyone was like lane lambert because his head coaching time and in with the islanders was not good it wasn't so why would they go out and get this guy well you go and look at his time with washington where he won a cup and nashville and what was the other team oh it was islanders and they got to the conference finals a couple years right yeah he went to the final

four a ton of times they were the second best team in the nhl over a two-year period it's just they kept playing the lightning and uh and uh won a cup with washington so you know i saw someone go like when are the leafs going to make a move that steve doesn't like well okay explain why this is bad then i went through his career and was like here's why it could be good not it is good here's why it could be good i don't think you need to respond to those yeah i don't think they have a good gauge on your content because you're that's not you at all you criticize the least all the time oh yeah leaf fans know me as blind leaf appreciate happy mchappy guy like what like that marner cart blanche do whatever you want he did nothing wrong that person doesn't have a good

gauge on what you talk about you know you know steve steve you know the moves steve like the most jesse was keeping the core four together after 2023 that was i don't think don't don't pay that person no no it's but it like as a thought exercise i was like here's why derrick Lalonde might be good yes why might he be bad well in his NHL career as an assistant there is actually no evidence of him being bad yep because there's not much to look at there just isn't it's four years and they were spectacular right so what do you criticize about his resume in that role you can't take away negatives if he's only one or he's been an assistant yeah you can't zero bad seasons out of four like i don't know stop being so happy about the leaves oh i mean

yeah derrick lalonde is their assistant coach and now they're going to the cup why didn't you trash them you know what not enough hair yeah let's talk about that uh bald uh um with regards to tavaris's next contract the yanni gourd and we talked about this a little bit the yanni gourd contract could serve as some sort of um reason to go back to therapy when no but it yes but also it could be one of those great benchmark deals and people are like well the yanni gourd what about the chris tannev deal where they signed him to six years he's going to be 42 when that contract expires okay uh and what if tavara signs at four and a half million over six years that would be insane play eight i don't care he's not gonna play yeah exactly like who

cares yeah if you put him 20 years give him 20 years so now now wait give him 20 what are the consequences yeah you can't but if you could you should what are the consequences of him signing let's say six and he retires 27 million he retires after four whoopee like no no but in years five and six does he simply retire and say i don't want the money no he's on he's on lti and you also front load the bonuses you front load the bonuses you trade the contract off your books yeah i'm just skeptical that the league will let it slide oh yeah really you're skeptical that the league will let it slide toronto yeah it doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter what they'll say is see here's where toronto needs to get more ruthless ed rogers needs to throw his weight

around and go hey hey guess what i am i'm the owner of the biggest canadian franchise and the biggest franchise in the sport by value i'm also the canadian rights holder you're gonna tell me what sorry what i'm sorry what was that adam i would love nothing more and i think based on the change in how Ted Rod or Ed Rogers don't make me cheer for Ed Rod uh Ed Rodgers has has you know been at the board level he's not afraid anymore to talk no uh I don't think whoever Gary Gary's replacement is saying that to the bill daily it'll be bill probably and an interim basis I would say Ed will win that argument hands down I also don't think like that's not legal they're not doing anything illegal i don't think he has a strong arm anybody for doing the right thing oh i went 40 in

a 40 like he's not breaking the law here he's also under 40 he'll be 40 when the contract expires which is normal there's already been whispers about like oh we don't know about this deferred salary stuff and hey you know what it is and legal evander kane and landis kog stuff at the beginning of the playoffs the nhl is grumpy yeah good they're grumpy and there's a cba coming up and they're trying to set precedents. Oh, I just wrote you an $11 billion check in the next 12 years.

Doesn't matter. Yeah, no. It does matter. And I'm going to make it matter. It's going to matter a whole lot. Thank you very much. I'm in the NHL. It doesn't matter.

And you're going, I'm a dick. Yeah, I'm... And if you're... Listen, if you own that much shit, you should be kind of a dick about it. Oh! Tilt the scales!

Somehow, someway. Florida Panthers have a minority owner who got suspended. I didn't know they could do that. They can. Some of these guys are dicks. Dude, they kicked an NBA owner out.

They kicked him out. Out. You don't own this team anymore. Actually, two of them. You have to sell this team. That's crazy. Yeah. And also, objectively, the right choice.

Kipper also said that, I think over the weekend, that Charlie Coyle might become available. There's also a lot of questions about Marty Nietzsche in Colorado. I don't think the Leafs have the assets to go after a guy like that. But Charlie Coyle, for me, if you're looking for an answer in the lower end of center, who's a playoff performer who I've watched years and years of him beating the Leafs up and eating them alive,

So a guy like him and Scott Lawton being able to come into set. I'm not talking about a third line. I'm talking about like third, fourth. Charlie Coyle is instantly attractive to me. All right. So then John Tavares is your second line center. I mean, I still think they need an upgrade there, but I don't think they're going to be able to find one this summer. Right.

So because like if you get Coyle, then you resign to the fact that it's Matthews, Coyle, Tavares. But if OK, well, what you put on the wing. and then you get and then you get they got another hold on but you get injured people get injured so you need lawton there is insurance but look at this okay so it's a conf so so jonas siegel put together a list of like nine potential center candidates that that the leafs could go after not being overly likely in any particular case but some are big swings the names are dino in los angeles who i love caudry in in calgary carlson in in vegas ryan o'reilly with the Preds I don't think that's going to happen no JG Paggio who I've brought up before who would

guarantee that Tavares is your second line center because he'd definitely be your third line guy but I love his defensive play uh Braden Shen and St. Louis who they desperately wanted at the deadline Alex Wenberg San Jose Pavel Zakha Bruins if the Bruins are trying to make on and the one that blew me away because JT Miller and Vinny Trochek are already there is Mika Zabinajad now Now, he has five years at $8.5 million left on his contract, but this is a guy who performs in the playoffs, has a cost-controlled deal, fits the timeline of what they're going to do.

Performs in the playoffs is going to set some Rangers fans off. Okay, sorry. 44 points in his last 43 games. Performs on the Leafs curve. No, but like, to me, that's a little bit like the Marner points thing in the playoffs. Okay, okay. Like, people bring up the Marner points

and be like, look, Marder's got 60 points in 60 games. I should do a deep dive on him. What's his 5, 6, and 7 stats? Yeah, show me when they won. Yeah, no, no, fair. I mean, they went to the conference final a year and a half ago. Twice. Twice, 2022 and 2024.

That's a fascinating one. The Kadri one is probably the most fun. I know, but you know what I'm actually worried about is Kadri's age. He's like 35 He's Tavares' age They were the same draft And 7 million at that Tavares being a 90s baby

Doesn't compute Tavares was always in No, 1990 Oh, I thought that's why he wore 91 Oh, is it? I think he's 90 I was on his DB He always seems like the oldest man ever

Since I've watched the Leafs and he's been in the league, he seems like the oldest man that's ever been alive. Him and Kadri are the same age. It's ridiculous. Kadri might be older by months. I don't know. Which, that doesn't compute at all.

So just these guys, these athletes. Those guys play junior together. Yes. On the same team. Ridiculous. So which one of those nine candidates you're saying Zabinijad? I love Zabinijad. I love that idea.

Is he available? Well, I mean, I think the Rangers, people are saying that that the rangers have everybody's saying like chris drury's got the hardest job this offseason because crider you could see as an interesting candidate but they're gonna have to retain on that deal right or take some bad bad money back whatever it is um you know and i think that there was a social media post about brandon tan of being in toronto over the weekend and obviously brandon tan of brother lives here and they're from here and whatever come on but you know you'd think you'd think a brandon tenev type of player would be exactly

what brad would want uh but you got to clear out your david comps and your uh cali yarn croaks to do that right so i was kind of thinking about that um k andre miller is apparently also very available very interesting i mean five year old i don't i don't know what you do with the decor on account of you have so many guys there um and some of them you can't even move But the Leafs have a number of salary-retained guys. Carlo is going to be retained for years. Two more. Lawton is retained this year.

1.5 million. And the Leafs have all three slots. And those are used up by buyouts and by salary-retention trades. None of the buyouts, by the way, when people suggested that the Leafs would be considering buyouts, none of the buyouts make sense. So just wipe that from your memory. They're not buying anybody out unless. When you have three retention slots. You can get somebody to tag an asset and then you can buy them out.

And like, even if you look at it like, oh, they're retaining a million on camp for whatever it is for the next two years. Who cares? Okay, but look at what you're saving on Carlo and look at what you're saving on Lawton. Lawton for 1.5 is insane. It's pretty good. And Conf has lost his spot. Yes. he is not he is not a top 12 player at the end of this season 12 is that's crazy ruthless statement

but you're right so we never talk about it in terms of top 12 no he's not he's he's not he's just a scratch yeah damn he's not that's ruthless and and like you know they the season where he had 10 goals like well maybe he shouldn't have been that hype in the lineup to get 10 goals or whatever it was when he came over from chicago listen he's given the leaf some good games sure he has but it's not a fit anymore it's not a fit anymore and you have the slots well i wonder i wonder if yeah if the leafs buy out somebody else's contract and are able to recoup assets that way like if you're let's say i don't know what chris crider's buyout is but like if the rangers gave you a first round pick and you go and you buy out chris crider with one of your slots

well there's a great way to get a first round pick back in the system listen i don't think that's gonna happen but like now you're cooking with gas you got to be creative yes is the point i'm trying to make thank you like it's if you're looking for like by the way djz bad i would freaking love but fun i don't know if he's hard enough you need somebody no you need some you need some people in the playoffs and rangers fans will tell you this who are bastards and that's why i like chris crider so much the reason that this conversation is good is like listen they don't have a ton of prospects okay so that's a weakness they don't have a ton of picks all right that's a weakness what is the strength they have all three of these slots and so much money and you can't

solve your problems in free agency if you're the Leafs especially with guys like Bennett probably not going anywhere Tay's probably going to the Winnipeg Jets the Leafs look like the bridesmaid in that one right now how about you look at the stars and call them up and go hey so you guys are screwed huh and figure something out there they are aren't they supposedly suppose you mean with uh the defense no with uh their cap situation yeah yeah that's what i mean though is the defense how they're spending their money right call them up sort of boned get pushed back how do we i don't know man i don't know man like it there's let's think let's get creative here it's we're in that funny season the cup final is still on there's some really exciting hockey the draft hasn't

even happened yet but the offseason is upon us yeah 30 out of 32 teams are full-blown offseason mode yep the combine is happening everyone's together everyone's imagining the future sugar plums and stanley cups dance in their heads it is draft eve yes for the next three weeks it's exciting let's get nuts uh just very quickly senator's owner michael and lauer we talked about this press conference but we didn't really talk this part too much if i remember correctly and my memory's terrible so you guys know he he was talking about the fact that they already have 83 million dollars committed to players for the 25 26 season so it's unlikely that they are going to spend fully to the cap he said uh michael and laura said we did well in the playoffs with our

gate but some teams did two and a half times more revenue than we did so it gives you perspective on where hrr is and where we fit into that i'm okay with that i think we'll be competitive and And I think they will, too. And if you're the senators, doesn't it just make sense to go, where will we be at the Olympic break and then go, hey, we got we we've got 10 million dollars from the start of this year that's been accruing on our cap. We can do literally anything now. Because I think I think there's really important factors here. How good is Montreal? How good is Boston? Can Boston flip it around quickly? And how good are New York? Because the fact is, for Ottawa and for Montreal to get in, New York and Boston had to fall off a cliff. Yes.

And I think that there is some credence to the fact that New York, I believe more in the Rangers than I do in the Bruins right now because of Shusterkin, but I love Swayman too. Tough. I think one or both of those teams is going to rebound and make the playoffs. I think you'd be crazy not to consider that possibility. So who does that push out? Does Toronto fall off the board?

Is Montreal, do they take a step forward or a step back? Is Ottawa fighting for their playoff lives again? Like, you got to think about that if you're in that position. A lot of that comes down to injuries. The best thing they could do, though, is pull in, wait, and then, you know, you have the assets, you have the draft cap, you can do anything you want, wait for the trade deadline. You're forecasting something that I think is a really slept on factor here.

um it's not the greatest free agency class outside of like a few bangers like there's the the middle card the mid card is not great um so oh they're just going to overspend in free agency ah how about you overspend at the trade deadline because that's then you'll know where you are that's what this cap uh thing does is it makes the off season more interesting but it also makes it just makes every transaction more interesting yeah hooray yeah now we don't have to watch just remember the dog days of like rob scuderi getting traded for a third there's like four different teams playing a salary like oh my god yeah get out of here yeah just awful awful stuff let's have some fun okay so we'll wrap it there because that's plenty to talk about for an entire episode but we do have

one more thing. You've heard of us talking about the Get Real movement, and we do this our third year in a row doing it. We are going to have Ren on now to talk a little bit more about why we support this cause and what the Get Real movement is all about. Check it out. We're proud at SDPN to be participating in the Get Real virtual 5K fundraiser with Rainbow Railroad. And this is, you know, this few years in a row we've been doing this. And we're very happy to welcome Ren from Get Real. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Now, Ren, you work and are uh you know not just a program coordinator you you create some of these programs and i think one of the key things about your bio that's on the website that you know it just

getting to know you too in the last two minutes um you know i think it's it's it's something that really stuck out to me which is growing up you know you're queer or you know there's something different and that's the way it's been described to me yep um and there's nobody to model yourself after. There's no role models. And that's sort of part of what, you know, there's a pretty big scope of what you guys are trying to do here. But that's one of the main things that you do, because you do a lot of these workshops with kids. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, kind of our bread and butter is going into schools, workplaces, and doing these workshops about 2SLGBTQ plus inclusion, also combating anti-black racism. But yeah, for me specifically, the 2SLGBTQ plus inclusion

workshops. And that's exactly it. I did not know this version of myself was a possibility when I was younger because I didn't have any role models. Right. And so, you know, I guess for those of us that grew up with tons of people, we could have role modeled ourselves afterwards. Is that a lonely feel? What does that feel like? Yeah, it's definitely it's definitely lonely. And you you can't really imagine a future for yourself. And I think specific parts of the future if you don't have um a vision of that um and what helps with that is seeing other people right things that um yeah you're like oh wow that is a possibility that could be something that can happen to me or something i can achieve um so yeah it's definitely a lonely feeling pretty

isolating when you don't have those those role models right what helped you realize your future uh actually for me um so when i came out as trans in like my early 20s um it was actually roller derby a sports space that i was in that helped me um i've had some friends that do that ever it's great it is it's awesome yeah it's a full contact sport it's amazing and that was the first time that i was surrounded by other trans folks i saw myself reflected um and then i saw that they were thriving and being celebrated for who they were. And it was especially important for me because it was in a sports space. I had quit sports for about 10 years because I didn't think I could be myself and continue to play because I didn't see any role models around me.

And that's something that you've now kind of brought into this, right? Yes, exactly. Yeah. So since roller derby, I played for about 10, 12 years. And then now I've gone back to the sports that i played as a kid which are uh soccer and hockey okay great um so i've gone back to those sports and as i've been in them i've just really realized even more so how important it is for folks to have role models in those spaces and not just the role model part but for those spaces to be full of allies um it's not a space that is generally you know super welcoming of folks in the queer community and it means especially for youth that they quit sports a lot when they reach kind of like you know teen

years or they just like don't enter sports at all so it was really important for me to like combine my love of sports being an athlete working with get real to create a sports and rec workshop so yeah we we do that with like adult sport leagues youth sport leagues the participants coaches refs stakeholders just to help create those more affirming spaces in sports specifically. And I find it has nothing to do with really like on the ice or on the field kind of part of the game. It's all about the locker room culture and that behind the scenes stuff

when you're with your teammates and you're hanging out. Like I played travel baseball as a kid and you're going on road trips and you're with all these different families and you're in the hotels. It's all about those instances. You want those spaces to be inclusive. yeah like those spaces for sure also like on the ice and on the field um as well but yeah because sports aren't just about the part where you're doing the sport yeah um right there's so much more involved in it yeah if you're on a travel team you're on the bus you're in hotel rooms

you're like bonding as a team um and like nobody should ever feel like they can't be who they really are um in those spaces um i suck at hockey and i was wondering how difficult was it to pick it back up um to be there's never a time that's too late to start hockey i really believe that yeah um i played since i was like three my dad owned a sports store like i you know the joke is i like you know had skates on as soon as i was like able to walk um and roller derby is a skating sport so yeah getting back into it wasn't that hard i feel like my hands are taking a little bit uh longer to come back sure um the hand-eye coordination but yeah the skating it is one of the most like joyful experiences ever yeah being on that how often you plan right now um i

play twice a week right now i was just in a really amazing tournament called the toronto pride hockey tournament uh it was the third year that it happened uh tournament for um yeah queer folks trans inclusive really really amazing i have to know that maybe this is bad roller derby for me is it's like all the hockey stuff but a harder surface and and less equipment so what's like the gnarliest injury like what's what can you in your 12 years like me personally yeah definitely a few concussions yeah which are yeah which is which is not great because i like already had some from sure um so yeah definitely definitely concussions for sure um like you gotta be a warrior to do that like it's oh yeah it's a full it's a it's a full contact sport it's pretty

intense it's like one of the only sports where you're playing offense and defense at the same time yes yes right and there's no ball there's no net and the elbows are flying they're flying yeah yeah it's crazy okay so here's the deal listen uh we've got a four thousand dollar goal with sdpn and you can find our page uh in the link of the description for any show on pride not just this month but uh but on friday june 27th we encourage you to go out run walk ride or anything that has wheels uh ren would know about this so bikes ren bikes here uh skateboard scooters rollerblades roller skates whatever it is you can push stroller get creative and use the hashtag get real 5k or hashtag rainbow road 5k or use both in fact it'd probably be better if you

did and great uh and we can't wait to see all your posts and that sort of thing and of course if you can donate we would love that four thousand dollars uh is what we're looking to do and again it's uh educational tools so kids in the 2s lgbtq plus community can feel less alone and safer in school and your donations equally help the rainbow railroad evacuate more queer individuals fleeing dangerous environments around the globe to find safety. Wren, thank you so much for coming in. And Wren, if somebody wanted, if somebody had a business or a school and they wanted

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