The Steve Dangle Podcast - Chicago Cut | November 17, 2025

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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download that TaskRabbit.ca code Dangle. the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake well well well well how about that brandon carlo on ir yeah i saw that nicholas wa missing practice i didn't see that yeah yeah jacob quillen's up though saw that that's cool and exciting because he has 14 points in 14 games to start the season. And listen, if you don't like the way the Leafs are, if you're a Sabres fan, if you're a Flames fan, there's not a lot of teams that are super disappointing

like the Leafs are, like a huge fall last year. Like the Rangers have had disappointing home starts, but their away record was pretty good. The best in the league, actually. I think they were 7-1 on the road and 0-7 at home. You have to think that'll correct itself at some point, right? Like I asked you a couple weeks ago, I'm like, that feels like a team poised to break out.

I was like, they're pretty good. Yeah. I mean, listen, you could be the New Jersey Devils and lose your best player because of a knife accident. That's nuts. We'll talk about that too. Or you could be the team that just five months ago went to the finals, which we can't relate to in Toronto.

No. Actually, yes, we can. Yeah, we can. Just not in this sport. Five months ago. That didn't make me feel better at all. Indiana Pacers in the finals. Do you know what their record is to start this season, Stephen?

How many games do they play? They played 13 games, and they're playing the Detroit Pistons tonight. 3-10. 3-10. That's bad. Yeah. That's bad. They're 1-12.

Oh, my God. They're 1-12. Now, Jesse, why is injury? So Tyrese Halliburton, their best player, was injured in game six of the finals. He was injured in six and then came back in seven. And should not have. He tried to play through and tore his ACL. Not great.

so they're missing their best player basketball is a little different one guy out can ruin your whole season wasn't it his achilles i think it was worse than acl was it i thought he had one of those the the new phenomenon in sports where they show the super slow-mo oh yeah anyways yeah hey so i guess my question would be um is that is the season salvageable for them or is haliburton being like like are we finding out about pascal what are we finding out about pascal siakam and what i mean by that is is that is pascal being exposed for maybe not being right that's a leafs question what no i want i don't want to talk about the leaves i will say i like i'm on my toes right now and i think that was that was the point i like this for the first time since 2021 the leafs

have lost five games in a row they are only above the sabers in the eastern conference And I'm going to get flamed for what I'm about to say. But I will tell you that the Leafs played much better against Chicago and just didn't get the win. Yeah. I think that's the consensus. They played a decent game. But no one wants to hear it.

Nobody wants to hear it, but we got to say it. Easily. We got to say it. Easily their best game in a week and a half. My least favorite type of LFR to make. Like by far, far and away. Why is that? The game where they lose, first of all,

um they played well and no one wants to hear it absolutely no one wants to hear it and i don't blame anyone for not wanting to hear it i just like the videos are taking longer to get to drew because i just spend half an hour lying on the floor in my jersey sometimes just lying on the floor swearing muttering under my breath that i don't want to do it can i tell you how sadistic people are you know how many regular season lfrs got over 90 000 views last year i might have no idea two oh wow how many this year the 11 losses that they have are averaging over 90 000 wow they're a story again they were really a story last year they're a story now they won 52 games last year like even their losses you couldn't get all that mad about there's a few thumbnails

as i scrolled back to i was like what happened to make me that mad that day um yeah i don't know life was pretty good and it turns out it wasn't that serious because things could always get worse yep you could always be one in 12 turns out i've never mourned the leafs on their way down over the course of lfr there well that's because they started down and then went up and that's all it's been no they started down and went downer yeah but we all begged for it yeah we wanted them to bottom out and i i and most of this fan base were not ready for this start ready or hopeful i don't think the management was ready for this starts no they weren't and that's maybe the most disheartening and horrifying part um god chicago is going to be good yeah they're going to be good

yeah i mean their current record is good they are good they're going to be great they do play too much pond hockey for my liking right so did the young leafs that's yeah that's how the nhl is being won these days yeah bunch of young teams playing pond hockey it's been exciting to watch it's so good isn't that great yeah isn't that great when in the spring we were like whoa old guys are having a moment and now look and then the leaves who were old got older and young guys said uh you missed the boat yeah you know i was thinking about recently uh with that kind of on the on the leafs losing a bunch and you not having an lfr season quite like this ever in your history no because like this has been a really successful tenure for the least

like the last oh my god regular season success been crazy regular season very important that they rarely lost like three games in a row four games or five games or you gotta go back all those years i saw a stat the other day about michael jordan and in 1990 to start the season mj and the bulls lost three games in a row wow from that point in his career 1990 losing those three games in a row he did not lose three games in a row until he was on the washington wisdom and i i forget if i saw it on tiktok or twitter but i had to i had to go check it myself and i went through all the game logs on mj you manually looked it up it's like it takes me like five minutes i can do a quick scroll so i just look at the the lost column on his game log for each

season i clicked through from 1990 the beginning of the season first three games a season he lost three games he did not lose three games again until 2000 2001 when he joined the washington witches and they started awful and they lost like 10 games in a row or something like that wow The man knew that you can't have these things compound on each other. Did he even lose three games in a row in baseball? I don't even know. I checked it. It's fact.

And that's what you see out of greatness. They don't let these things infect them like a disease. And the losing gets into losing. That's why I'm so adamant about winning seven out of ten games. And I love the Blue Jays mentality about that as much as I despise John Schneider. He always said that when they're doing the baseball series, it's like three games set. You need to win two out of three. That's all we're looking to do.

Four games set. You know, we're trying to maybe split, but we really want three out of four each time in a 10 game sample size. You want six out of those 10, but you really want like seven out of 10. You want to win seven out of 10 each time. And that is just what gets you into this winning mentality. If you bring that to the playoffs, you're going to win a championship if you're not losing three games in a row. if you're not losing two games in a row you're for sure going to get to the end and with the Leafs this year I'm so dumbfounded by them because it's something we haven't seen we usually see them

stop these losing streaks where it's like you have that awful loss yeah you maybe lose the next one and that's like two in a row and then they stop it yeah and then it's not three they don't have they don't have the capacity they don't have the ability uh you know every report I hear is more concerning than the last like elliot friedman talking about they had a fiery meeting um and it was blunt and guys got called out individually and then i can't remember what game it was that followed it it was one of the bruins it was the bruins it was the weasley bruins game yeah which just tells me they don't have the capacity yeah and that can't do it now that's why it's so worrying right because it's they usually get out of this funk and they usually

have the guys to do it and this season they just don't so yeah here's here's what i want to see so i hope nick waugh plays tomorrow um stetcher is with the team and he's practicing with the team jacob quillen is with the team i want quillen to play tomorrow i want stetcher to play tomorrow um and by the way stetcher was claimed on waivers over the weekend for anybody that doesn't know that yeah i want from the admins whoever you need to kick out of the lineup to get quillen and stetra into the lineup so be it i never want to see philip myers in a leaf uniform again that's enough uh sammy blay i think we're wasting our time here um he played a couple good games he played a couple bad games and then berube basically didn't play him we need players you can play

we need hungry players they haven't played hungry hockey their best players hungry hungry hockey are playing that'd be a good board game yeah no they've just been a broken hungry hungry hippos where you smash the thing and the hippo just lays there they should make the game but then the mouths are nhl players ah yes i like to buy like a leafs hungry hungry hockey and it's like matthews and and riley and willie and no no no heads and they're just chomping at puck that's not how it works this is a great idea no it chomps it chomps at the show we're gonna go make yeah we've done it it chomps at the puck if it's for every other team if you press any of the leaf players it just goes it's the fans fault it's the media it's the pressure it's just lip service

what does it do in vancouver uh haha leafs fuck toronto for some reason they each have their own identity oh no no sorry it's been really nice if it's vancouver sorry the the players smack each other oh there you go there you go what does it do if it's florida um it smacks you and eliminates property tax yeah yeah i you know what it's it's uh by the way thank you it also wears a red hat and calls you slurs online canucks fans have been very nice this season i don't know why they're catching strays here come on oh okay you know oh jesse asked me if there's i'll do it for the other one if it's flames fan the board breaks but you never rebuild it whoa hey i want to say uh that i am uh uh i still stupidly am clinging to the idea that if this team was healthy

and they're very not let's go through the injuries here okay okay so why is out of practice and and here's the thing that the leafs will do oh it's maintenance but all the guys that have missed practice for maintenance are on ir yep uh so great so don't give me that bullshit joseph wall was on ir for a while obviously but he's back and i want to talk about that because i do think that's a very valuable story wonderful tanev lot tanev is out lot in his back and in a game sweater it at practice this morning which is good okay matthews stallers and brandon carlo now if i had given you these six guys and i had said to you in september hey boys wall tanaf lotten matthew stallers and carlo are going to be hurt by mid-november we'd be we'd all have said that's

probably going to be a really tough start for the leafs then i'd probably say their record would look a little bit like the way it does now which is fair but what's interesting about this is that they're not none of them have all been injured sort of it's sort of been at the same time but It's not all crossed over. Matthews, we're never going to know the truth ever. Ever. And Matthews looked like a groin injury. That's all.

You think it's groin? Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's great. But what I do feel like is like, even with the injuries, when we look at it in the context, even if they hadn't been hurt, they were not playing well enough. And that's the concerning part, right? It's not like, oh, we got a bunch of injuries.

We're just missing out. No, you're getting, you're getting caved. tan of the one guy i'm like yeah you were fine but carlo's awful awful stallers was awful and i think stallers was hurt and i wonder about that seattle game i wonder if that's why he wasn't so pissed off i think at minimum he got hurt in the seattle game um one of the two bruins games i can't remember which he made two stellar saves at the very beginning of the game and then looked unplayable after that and they said it was an upper body injury one of the saves he's outstretched crazy like that and i wonder if he really aggravated something yeah and he pulled

himself from that game like i don't think that was like hey berube is getting him out of there because of performance he was hurt he was also bad he was hurt i think he's bad because he's hurt yes i agree yeah i agree too uh i think matthews is the same bad because he's hurt and one of the things i was sort of talking to somebody over the weekend about is is that Listen, I know Austin refuses to talk about his health thing. Going back to when he had COVID, I remember Steve Simmons reported it and Austin made a point of saying, Steve, that was really inappropriate. You shouldn't have done that because yeah, because it was rumor.

Steve was able to to verify it. But like, fuck off, man. Well, and now those moments and now we're never going to get an accurate report ever again. Well, I don't think that that was ever going to be the case, though. I think Austin and Judd Moldave or his own, his, uh, his owner, his, uh, agent like to keep that stuff secret, but I have to be honest. I think it's a mistake.

I think if those guys were to tell the public what's actually going on, um, and had they told the public what was going on last year, there would have been a lot more sympathy to what happened. and you know this is a guy that went down 35 goals season over season from 23 24 to 24 25 and this year didn't look anything like he did in 23 24 after we were told he just needs a few months to heal he'll be fine he's gonna be fully healthy and then went into camp he's fully oh he's fully healthy guys he's fully healthy no he's not and if you guys would just be honest about this i think a lot of people yes i know people are going to take shots at him on the ice and whatever

that's a different conversation but I think if Austin and his people were just honest about listen this is the nagging injury he's dealing with and here's why it's affecting his play I think people would be a lot more sympathetic to it but in absence of a story or an absence of knowing that and we don't have to know every detail hey it's a wrist injury hey it's a groin injury hey it's a back injury whatever it is that's all we really need to know and it's going to take X amount of time to fix it. If we knew that, I think that fans are a lot easier on you. I think media is a lot easier on you because we know. But the Toronto Maple Leafs, and this has not changed yet in the Keith Pelley era either, have this, they're stuck to this idea that the

more they keep secret, the better it's going to be. And we have seen time and time again, in absence of, and Mitch Marner is a perfect example of this, in absence of the true story, people make shit up or they hear half rumors or whatever else they hear and so now we're stuck with a whole bunch of guys injured austin being chief among them but austin is to me the most concerning anthony stoller's being number two because i remember reading a report by the way that one of the reporters was saying that anthony stoller's was icing both of his knees after a game uh earlier this year and i thought oh boy and yeah but they made note of it and i know he's had both knees reconstructed that's why i'm concerned all these guys have ice all over them

all the time patrick marley used to take a nice bath between periods that's a bath though uh it's a bath but it's ice same idea yeah you know yeah i'm i do listen i just i feel like they're not handling the pr well either devil's advocate give it to me i think a lot of guys are struggling right now it is an olympic year um there's going to be added maintenance the leafs are not the only team dealing with this yep siege i was listening to the cj show on the way down and he's like the lightning roster they iced the other day i was like what is this and it's not even them like the the habs i cannot believe how badly the habs have been bitten by the injury bug again like long-term injury bug the whole divisions and shambles yeah uh injury wise you could go around

the league vancouver i think is an important one to mention like half their guys have been out this season you could go around the league uh nothing's going well for the leafs and one of the things that i've been hammering recently you know trades are hard to make this and that and that okay you have a minor league team let's try guys from the minor league team well they claim stetcher on waivers players aren't on waivers every day much less you know experienced players in their 30s who have played hundreds of games you claim them and you were lucky enough to be able to claim them you throw him into your roster immediately great and now there's space for him to play because carlos on ir wonderful uh quillen how do we call up quillen comp was comps contract was

terminated contract was terminated and also another guy was placed on ir so i wonder if these injuries some of them were one or two of them are the type of injuries that a guy would typically play through and try to maintain and they've just decided you know what it's not worth doing that we're going to put you on ir you get a couple weeks off and we're going to give some other guys looks i wonder that i like that i like that a lot i i've just my concern is that if austin comes back they tell us he's healthy and he doesn't start scoring well i listen the number one fear of every leafs fan right now ahead of giving the bruins the sixth overall pick this year and their first in the division by the way yeah great awesome cool so good good great i'm

stoked about that that's so good the number one fear of every leafs fan is austin matthews isn't great matthews great anymore yeah um he's making he's the second highest paid player in the league this year you're not going to score 60 every year you're not going to score 69 every year 50 plus I said this at the beginning of last year I'm like he could score 50 and they would still have to make up 19 goals somewhere else if he gets 50 year in and year out no one's complaining about the deal man if he's scoring 40 13 and a quarter should get you a lot more than that yeah um 13 and a quarter has to get you in the range of 50 and in the range of 100 points yeah fear purely locked locked and you got and by the way steve forget health health does not

play a factor in that you have to be healthy right that's the point well it's not well no but that's the thing it's not how bodies work i know but that's that's that's the people are not have sympathy for injuries at that point and the the the grace that i gave matthews last year when everyone was hammering him his goal scoring was it was terribly down he scored at a 94 point pace though last year which is in and around where he needs to be in and around what's typical he's blocking a ton of shots he's laying the body a little bit more he was getting crazy assignments from berube we know now and uh i think that continued this year but i don't have the numbers yet i think this is a incredible player is he what they need him to be for 13 and a quarter

you know you're you're outpacing alexander ovechkin's career and at 13 and a quarter you need to continue that like that's that's how expensive that is in today's nhl now the rising cap is going to fix that a little bit um he's too important a part of this team like what team like what if leon dry sidle is just like you know like who's i'm trying to think of okay adrian kempe yeah just sign his deal super underrated player yep ridiculously underrated player deserves the money he's getting if leon dry sidle turned to adrian kempe overnight the oilers are cooked this is what i'm saying so when people were like yeah matthews is this offensive or sorry defensive 2c which i think is a bit of an exaggeration but if he turns into ryan o'reilly

who most teams would kill for they're dead they're toast they're dead if he turns into john tavaris well i think john tavaris turned into him i i really don't know what's going on there but it here's the long and short of it though they don't have them and they've had an incredible record without him over his whole tenure as a leaf it hasn't made any sense when he's in the lineup he's incredible but they've always found a way they put together a really solid effort against chicago and a really bad play from one player who can't play another moment on this team is what sunk him. They got saves.

They had structure. They scored. Jesse, do you think that Philip Myers has played his last game as a Leaf? Because that was the first goal, and that is the one that sunk them ultimately. I don't know if it's his last game as a Leaf, but he's definitely,

they know what they have there. I don't think anybody's confused as to what he is at this point, and he's not going to grow into something that's more than what he is right now. So my question, though, is, he played 49 games with and mostly with morgan riley last year 49 i can't remember complaining about philip myers mike no no what happened guys it wasn't well this is the thing man this is the

thing um their whole decor i was happy with the leafs playing like nine guys and they had all of them dude murmurs look good last year i'm trying to think of the other extras they had refi we remember 36 games by the way for my 30 oh 36 i don't know why i said 49 my bad 36 games a lot of games so many games for your seven for your number seven i think that's what it is he's a seventh defenseman and when you're throwing your seventh defenseman into high leverage moments you know what you might get out of those situations and sometimes they rear their ugly head when your team's not playing well if you can't stop frank nazar from making that pass to table Tara Vine and then we, we just don't need your services. Like if you're trying to, you're trying

to find solutions here. And this is why I keep saying maybe we're done here is he's clearly not a solution. Like if someone else were to get hurt and they were to need another defenseman and they're like, well, there's another injury we've got to put in Myers. I'm still going to be upset about it. That's not a solution. A solution is Will Villeneuve with the Marlies. Well, you don't know if will villanoff is going to be good or bad that's correct i know if you put myers in they're dead yeah you know what you have yeah like now does that help explain the drop-off from this year to last no no and that's i i guess looking at why they got from one to the other is helping you try to find a solution i mean a probably easier thing to do would be to

fix the current player you have who you know can give you good minutes yeah he did last year yeah 30 it was nearly half a season the minnesota wild had dakota murmurs play over 50 games for them can you believe that it's that's over 50 games in one season yes yeah and i see this guy in the ice and i'm like oh they've both forgotten what a buck is yep so when i talk about finding solutions you got to get new guys in there just to see and if you're actually gonna you know people are already talking about a rebuild you're you're miles and miles away from coming to that decision and you haven't looked at nearly enough players nearly enough options to come to that decision quillen's with the team great would love to see villeneuve up at some point i'd like to see him

up i mean henry that's run that's why they went out and got stetcher elliot friedman mentioned that they were gonna call up thrun which why not uh why not it's because he shoots left and i still would rather see villeneuve but okay five having five uh lefties in there is the night yeah but Thrun played NHL games last year and you pay him a million dollars so okay fine fine solutions yeah you know and so I like what they're trying to do I like their effort from last game and at the end of the day they lost five straight for anybody wondering about the Myers play I think it'd be interesting to play it because it's I don't think it's a matter of like he's a different player this year and he's worse it's just that the leafs as a whole aren't as good defensively

and when then the entire system isn't as solid more of the cracks are exposed and i think that's what it is so here the blackhawks win a face-off they send it back behind their own net you'll see here nick robertson if you're watching uh goes a little bit too hard at the puck which allows the puck to go right up the ice to Tara Vinen, who gets it and makes a nice little pass there to Frankie, who then chips it past Myers. Even still, it's three on three. You're going to be fine. And I think this play, I love that on the replay, they have the full ice view. You can see how much quicker teams are against this Leafs team because the Blackhawks here are playing with pace. They're pushing the puck up the ice and the leafs just don't have the guys to compete with that any young

team that wants to play with speed um can take advantage of this leafs team and that's exactly what the blackhawks do here so you get the pass up to frank nazar he chips it over myers around him and then he goes back to terrifying in and they make this beautiful one to play and it ends it ends with terrifying and obviously making morgan riley look ridiculous but i file that under that's a crazy play yeah like i don't blame for that one no no no and and like wool had such a solid game like that's an unbelievable goal from tara vinan yeah he should have never had the puck no this is this is two guys playing beer league making you guys look stupid yeah yeah it's oh god it's it's so frustrating great play to the blackhawks sometimes we forget that like the other side

the ice is also doing these things but and they're looking good they took advantage of a situation where the Leafs D just doesn't have it and Myers in particular. Well, and now you've got a full season of... One of the things we talked about last year is Bedard just looks like he's on his own. Levshinov did not play very much last year. He was maybe the best player on the ice.

Frank Nazar did not play all year last year. He was incredible as well. Bedard is so clearly insane. Caravainen resurgence. Yeah. Leafs kind of sort of neutralized Bedard a little bit, but like Tara Vinen was ridiculous. Foligno's like a presence.

Yeah. Like it was. It's good. Do we know what happened to him? I know he's out four weeks. I don't, I don't know what the actual injury. My first thought was there.

Hopefully it's not a broken bone. It looked like he blocked a shot pretty much with like his wrist. Hand injury. There you go. Yeah. Not great. That's what they call it. Not great.

That seems a good team. It is. Yep. It is. And they're going to be great. They're not there yet, but they're going to be. They have,

i'm pretty sure the ahl's leading scorer too like the they're in a good spot it was the block shot that caused the hand injury so something in there hopefully he's not broken uh the point though is that the system is brittle yes right and there's cracks uh and and you know i have fair play to joseph wall i was really concerned about him coming in oh yeah uh against the blackhawks offense because we knew that they have a really good offense and he didn't miss a beat he did not missabiti was great and i that's listen i was concerned that was the outcome i was rooting for oh that's awesome like it was weirdly a feel-good moment in this season that fans badly needed yeah i just you need something to help you feel good about your team and about you know what i liked

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you should download that taskrabbit.ca code dangle the the lines today in during practice by the way troy stetcher led uh led the stretches um troy stretcher aha hey robertson tavaris kneelander okay you're gonna love this second line nice domi cowan stop michelle quillen mcmahon uh-huh Joshua Lorenz, Yarncroak with Lawton, Blay as extras, and Nick Waugh is obviously absent. And then it's Riley OEL, Benoit McCabe, Mermis Stetcher with Myers on the outside looking in.

I don't mind Stetcher and Mermis. Try it. Stetcher moves the puck, right? That's the thing. That's why they got him. Well, Riley Ekman-Larsen was pretty clearly their top pair against Chicago. I mean, not all the time.

Berube did a bunch of different pairs. mckay benoit are familiar benoit actually i thought played better merma setcher sure that makes fine i don't want to have a vendetta against this player uh but we're again we're looking for solutions if lawton or wa was good to play tomorrow so you got to put one guy in lawton might be still be right yeah can i tell you the guy i'd take out i know you're gonna take out domi yeah what are the good things he does great vision great vision how many points he got i don't know not a lot i mean how many penalties does he take a lot yeah is he good defensively no fucks no oh my god no holy shit no

tremendous liability no and like that's one of the things the leaves do really well when matthews is out actually is they kind of all hunker down and they go well dad's not home and he takes up uh an underappreciated uh he takes on an underappreciated amount of the defensive burden for the forwards and when he's out they all kind of hunker down and he's not capable max can't do it i saw that video of him the other day you know uh brings in the kid with with uh type 1 diabetes and and it was incredible warm and fuzzy you're not saying that max is a bad he's been such a great advocate no i know but like you feel i feel i don't like going at players like this i don't um and and especially repeatedly over and over again but they're

hemorrhaging chances they can't defend the rush he's got to be the worst among them he's getting caved five on five he's getting fucking like the shot attempts are they're really tough now he's been used as like a utility forward jesse all season long when he was supposed to be nice matthews domey and we just never got there he's been playing the least amount of minutes he's played since the 2022 season when he was with carolina like he's not being utilized a whole bunch by baruba and i think that's fair because out of the gate injured in training camp can't really uh trust him coming back you know you want him to get up to speed and then he hasn't shown anything that where it's like hey you're gonna be our high leverage situation guy and i still

even though baruba is playing him the least he's played in years it's still not enough and i'm tempted to bring up everyone's favorite film it's still too much it's still yeah well it's it's not enough of a solution it's still too much time yeah yeah yeah yeah i'm thinking the other way uh let's let's bring up everyone's favorite film moneyball uh when they trade everyone so that the manager is forced to play scott haddaberg at first yeah this player is giving you bad results up the middle so your solution is uh give him less minutes up the middle but still play him out the middle no craig fuck he's not a center jesus lord i thought we established this and they're still trotting him out there and letting him get killed every day

He might be a good winger on this team. We've seen him be a good winger on this team. He won't put up there. Ah, take him away. It's killing me. I would take Callie Yarncroke as a center on the second line. I'd take any living, breathing human being. Name one.

Callie can play center. Name a living, breathing human being. Anderson Cooper. Jesse Blake. Anderson Cooper. That would be a very handsome second line. Megan Trainor. Megan Trainor, wow.

name any living breathing human being are the leafs all about that base there's no treble right it's no i'm i'm serious like you have so many options yeah and i can't help but look at jacob quillen who just came up 6-1-2-0-4 kind of an asshole 14 points 12 of them are assists if you're worried about losing playmaking from your lineup there's your potential playmaking center and does he know how the other half of the arena works if he does great you can stay on this team does he i sure hope so well we're gonna find out because he is playing center yes he is so that's good if if he's skating in place of wa and i have to i am forced to the rest of you are not forced to but i am forced to watch domi as the 2c of this holy smoking team i'm gonna be furious

and now wait for him to score two goals tomorrow if i think there's a time to give domi another shot at it it's tomorrow against the st louis against the lowly horrible st louis i agree but we're doing the stream for that game yes and on the sdp and youtube channel but like i think domi makes they've invested in this player right he makes a certain amount of money oh yeah where they need to try and see if this works until the final bitter end he doesn't break the bank it's not like it's one million dollars so it's not like it's a minimum um salary player who's a kid you can send them down or anything like this is a vet who they're paying a lot of money they have a lot of years invested they need to keep seeing if it works and then eventually make a decision because

i don't know if now's the time to give up on it when you have so many people down like i don't even know who are you putting in that slot if lawton's out and blaze out and was out i think domi's kind of the guy on a tuesday when you're losing so much try it with wah down and lot and presumably still out fine thank you fine and like what's annoying is like like i got a kid to eat carrots yeah oh fuck if you figure out how to do that let me know it's easy man it's the freaking broccoli man that's where it gets hard adam's wrong oh leo doesn't like carrots aren't beige enough uh they do like children tend to it's is it brown looking then they'll eat it yeah everything else beige vegetables then we might be able to get through they break beige uh fried

vegetables there we go there you go um leo have you ever been to makimono well you're we're gonna go and you're gonna anyway um i think craig brube is like this is what i got yes and here's what's frustrating about this player staying on domi for a second is they're gonna play the blues who haven't been good i wouldn't be shocked at all if he had like a two three point game which again is what he that line that godforsaken line of him robertson and mcmahon did against the sabers last year you've got to string together games where you not only look effective at the other end of the ice you look serviceable in your own end yeah like i don't i still don't think robertson's a strong defensive player you you highlighted it on the first goal but like that

error is 200 feet from your net and there's three defending players in the way of it that can i mean if that's gonna sink you every time then you're fucked and like i also understand what robertson's doing that position he's going at a player with speed and trying to lay the body like he thinks he can win i had no problem with that play by robert no you know i also love how nick robertson's playing he tries hard he's on it he's still on his ass a lot yeah yeah but he's on times you're right jesse he's on pace he's on pace for 22 goals and 50 points that's great amazing you can play on my team every night yeah and he the one thing about nick too you can you can never say he never takes a shift off no never seen him floating he even

hustles back to the bench which i can't say for guys like william nylander william nylander's never hustled back to the bench in his whole life he was the third best player on that line i thought willie against chicago it was robertson tavaris willie i thought he was the third best one a disengaged willie at times uh nick robertson does have the kevin pilar syndrome of you're making a lot of diving catches but a better player would be able to get there on their feet yes where nick robertson needs to try a little harder and get to those plays and he's really it looks like he's really hustling to get there and you're like yeah but a better player would have just taken less strides and just made a solid play and would have never been noticed so that's why nick

robertson's never been a full-time nhl but he's scoring he's inefficient is the perfect word right earliest podcast guest we ever had was a scout named gus katsaros and he talked about um was it coolman skating inefficient strides i was like yeah why does coolman look like he's in a kayak when he's skating because he's it's like this and i'm like well he's a hard-working player he's like yeah he works hard because he has to yeah yeah gus was great shit i had never really thought if you have to work hard he is doing it yeah you know that's the thing which is which reward him for that not every player who has to work hard does exactly and that's been part of the like part of the like listen i think max tries his balls off you look at the five the five games

that these guys have played over this losing streak you can't say in all of them that they tried hard no uh nick robertson i don't think in that time has taken a shift off so i will give him john tavarez hasn't taken it hasn't taken a shift off yeah and his life yeah william neilander we know is going to take ships ships off that's just who he is uh we know he's going to take games off but the problem is right now half mil we can't have him take games off he is the option him and john uh matthew knives is having a great season uh it's all lost by the way matthew i don't think matthew knives i don't think ever takes a shift off you add him to the list yeah um by the way i just want to throw it back for something i remember when the when the jays like 15 16 jays

were like you know the shit and at the end that was awesome in the off season the mlb uh mlb network put out a list of the top 20 centerfielders in the league and kevin pilar didn't make the list and i was like what what do you mean he didn't make you son of a and jesse had to gently explain to me that yes he makes the dive and catch but perhaps he could be better positioned and you know paying attention a little faster just catch the ball in the air there was a great graphic it's it was the highest swung on home runs of the season okay and it was all these dots in and around the the strike box and uh uh you know a fewer above and there was this weird dot way above everything and it just had kevin polar's face on it oh no because he just swings at the

dumbest pitches in human history yeah but he connected with one of them it was like honest got at least six inches above the the batter's box and not the batter's box the the fucking the strike zone thank you strike zone and it and he went yard and i feared that that might have set his career back because he hit it and he's like i'm gonna do this every time no kevin all right now stop it question for you guys uh you heard the cj show this morning yes he said there's no way to trade their way out of this and i think he's right no um well this seems to me like good try it's starting to conspire in my mind to be a disaster year and here's what i think things continue like this let's say they go seven and eight before christmas or they go five

and ten which is not out of the realm no this season's over and you're gonna have matthews go and play in the olympics i think after that you shut him down if things keep going this way if this is the way it's going to go right and again i'm projecting a week is a lifetime in the nhl it's so long there's so many games they win their next three games they're in a playoff yeah 100 like they're not it's not correct but if if this is what they are if this is what they are then you have a bunch of guys who are already salary tamed a brandon carlo a scott lawn whatever you need to focus on two things getting matthews healthy whatever that takes whether it's surgery or whatever and you sit him down and you go austin whatever we need to do to get you healthy

for next season you do it we're gonna let you go to the olympics and then you're not playing another game okay the number two you need to get as many first round picks as you possibly can in the next two drafts because you know uh if we're in a scenario where boston is picking the sixth overall pick and they won the division because that's the way it'll go for leaf fans um you better have a backup plan you better have pick 13 or pick 15 and pick 21 you better have something where you can make sure that leaf fans are like okay well that sucked but at least we got two players in the first round and the future is rebuilt that because you cannot one of one of those you cannot go into to this draft without a first round pick if you're going to do that one

of those years where they gave one of their first round picks to boston stupidly they still pick twice in the first round we just don't remember it fondly because i think it was tyler tyler biggs and stuart percy yeah oh no well i might be wrong it might be wrong i don't know if those don't don't get hung up on the details yeah no like it they're they're in a position that no one wants to be in which is the team that's bad by accident yep no one wants to be it's the worst thing in pro sports but you have if you can't write the ship and you have lots of time to write the ship but if you can't write the ship there's two paths that the team that's bad by accident can go you wait it out and you keep everyone

or you make the decision to pull the chute so often they go no we're good no this is a blip no and because they didn't make the decision to move on they got so much shittier or you can be i think you can be two things right to hold on to the team that you have and retool you can have you can keep your best players and retool you can keep your best players and move on from a carlo from a domi from a what team's not going after oel right now like with the way he's played right uh even a tanev i don't think you're i don't think he's gonna go i don't think so either but like those are like you keep going through the rolodex some teams you have a serious conversation with

morgan riley about what he wants yeah some teams are just bad and they have nothing and they have no prospects for the future and they just suck the leafs have an abundance of guys who other teams i think would at least be interested in who aren't on crazy deals you know the deferred money for mccabe is i don't keep him yeah i don't i don't know how all that works with a with a trade or whatever but options you have no one's taking mcmahon especially at that dollar amount no one's taking benoit dude benoit is exactly the kind of player that teams trade for right before the playoffs and overpay for yep you're gonna have to make that call though i think in early january yep so that's the that to me is the deadline you know when we're all enjoying new year's uh whether

you go to sleep at nine o'clock at night or you actually stay up and go out and party uh that week is the week they make the call it should be and if it isn't the week they make the call then they should all be fired so uh it is yeah i mean simply you must make that choice because remember january then no games in february basically and then trade deadline immediately after february you gotta know it's like you gotta start negotiating i don't even i don't even know if it's a full week hey you've heard us talk about the f-150 tremor and listen life's easier with an f-150 i will be the first to tell you this now steve you've got a you've got a project that has been taking shape we gave you we gave you hell for this project but it worked out pretty

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slash Spotify. David Kopp sweepstakes took place this weekend. He had his contract terminated mutually with the Toronto Maple Leafs. He wanted to go. They had no room to keep him. Funnily enough, they could really use him today. I honestly think he'd be up.

We just got word that Nikwa is actually out tomorrow. I think he would have been up before this. It's such a ridiculous end to a saga that didn't need to happen. I also put a lot of that on him because we do know that um the his even his agent apparently like reportedly was like don't do this uh what don't light millions of dollars on fire yeah you know what he could

have done been up he could have been playing nhl games right now been in the nhl making the amount of money that he was making and maybe proven that he was worth a waiver claim maybe proven that he was worth a trade maybe and he would have made the olympics anyway and no he had to be stubborn yeah maybe the Leafs were never going to call him up I just don't think that's the case no I don't think so either that that actually is not the case that I do think that they saw him as a valuable piece but that he made too much yeah which is an accurate description of him I think Berube also really didn't trust him he didn't play in the playoffs he was scratched in 12 of the 13 playoff games and then at the end of training camp he said i don't need this guy which is frustrating

because he was legitimately good in the preseason yeah which i don't preseason it is so little so i feel like if the head coach is like i'm out on this guy i think the organization we've seen we know how keith pelly talks about brube i think they all said okay we're out on this guy and when you know you're just not an nhler anymore in this organization i don't blame comp for being like i'm taking my ball and going home i know i i do hate that he just walked away from the team instead of trying to play through it but i think it's it's it's his thing you know like he he sacrificed the money to do that yeah and i will respect that part of it yeah you know he i admire the balls yeah uh so he is now with the vancouver canucks the montreal canadians were

apparently interested and there was one other team in there too but i would where he signed personally like to thank him for signing out of division yeah that guy was going to man his first game against the leafs is gonna be nuts like i know you're like steve are you worried about david camp that guy scored like eight goals a season and five of them were the sexiest thing you've ever seen it's a really weird phenomenon he's i think he might get three points um i really do The Canucks center depth is as follows. Elias Pettersson, Max Sasson, Atu Rati, and Lucas Reichel, who they just traded. Atu Ratu.

Atu Ratu, excuse me. He's got to change that. Why do we U? What are we doing? No, because the Finns are difficult. They are. They are. They make that Y as a U.

But that is, if he's looking for the opportunity, that's the opportunity, even more so than Montreal. Because Montreal, like Oliver Kapanen, has been pretty good. They did just lose Kirby Dock for a second. think Montreal got injuries after he signed which is nuts but I think oh man I think that that is that's a solid solid place for him to play what I am uh what I'm curious about for Vancouver is what role do they want him to play like when Adam Foote deploys him where you know because the Leafs strangely enough David Kopp had like a 12 goal season with the Leafs once oh yeah I'm pretty sure vancouver would kill for that with like you know like pew suitor but 50 of it right you want

the poor man's pew suitor yeah he works hard yeah he wins face-offs um is generally a black hole offensively generally like okay those are the goals that went in what you don't see is how many plays die on the stick oh it's it's brutal you got a scoring chance and it's david comp and you're like we're dead it's dead like you know i i gave a lot of stick to domey uh in our first segment but they began the season i think it was two years ago with camp centering domey on the right and nyes on the left i'll take domey on the right wing i'll take nyes on the left i'll take camp in the middle i won't take them together who thought that would work yeah why yeah and the moment they split up they all started doing better it was ridiculous yeah i think uh i think vancouver got

a good depth center here and they need it yeah i look at that i'm like can david comp be teddy bluger you know because like that's what they're missing right now the heatles out blugers out like everybody's out for their team and it's like can you just step in and be replacement level teddy bluger he probably handled that he is an nhl player there are lots of players in the nhl who aren't as good as David Kampf uh but he was making 2.4 that's the only reason he wasn't I mean the main reason I think the main reason was probably Berube but uh one of the one of the factors was his contract was too much yeah because he was available to everybody in the league on waivers they could have just had him if they wanted him but the contract uh didn't allow them

to claim him so now that he's making less he's very useful to the team like Vancouver do you want david kampf objectively yes do you want david kampf at 2.4 million dollars and every team said no christian dvorak uh is going to be the center by which a lot of mid to lower end depth centers are are put against and i'm not it's not a hate on for christian dvorak but he signed for 5.4 million but that's an alarming amount of money for christian dvorak come on we were all shocked so if christian dvorak's at 5.4 last summer and they and the salary cap's going up another 10 million this summer what's david kopf at well and this is the silliest damn thing because he was several hours ago making 2.4 which everyone decided was too much and then he's gonna go to

vancouver prove he's an nhl player which he's always been and then some idiot is gonna be like i'm gonna give him three they're gonna he's gonna make more money yes yeah like he's gonna this has a very high likelihood of working out for him and an alarmingly high likelihood of not but i think i think it works out we'll get the signing bonuses he got in toronto that was the craziest part about the david comp deal we were like 2.4 million over four and signing bonuses why and trade protection yeah yeah but you know what he's people put that at true living's feet but he had gotten here four days before so my bet is that shanny and the front office which i have to ask pritam and all the other guys there you have to wear this i can't i'm i'm sorry

functionally true living might have signed the contract but i can't put that at his feet i have to put that on the 150 people they have on the analytics staff come on you know what he does get in uh in uh vancouver well it's not a practice place that's in the pacific division is like what if he has a few good games against the oilers and connor mcdavid okay and then but then you get that badge right oh like you're a good defensive center and they stick you to connor yeah well remember we did the cadre for selkie thing yeah after he scored an overtime winner for the leafs in a game against the oilers in which mcdavid and the oilers subjectively caved them yep but they won so haha and he and he got that reputation cadry

had never previously had a reputation for being a good defensive player he didn't um he was kind of a liability and then he proved he could do that it changes your reputation connor is that much of a factor in this i can't wait to see the david comp v conor mcdavid battle that's That might be a bit of a stretch. It's a little bit of the P.J. Tucker being the LeBourne stopper. Yeah, yeah. Please stop. One thing, Luke Fox did a little write-up about the comp saga on Sportsnet.ca,

and one thing he noted in there was Treleving gave comp the money after his pitch to Ryan O'Reilly fell flat. Oh! Brad! Brad! I'll read directly from it. He said, new on the job in 2023. Treleving overpaid for comp in the thin free agency market.

Once his pitch to UFA center, Ryan O'Reilly fell flat. Comp is who he is. Defensive first, low scoring, plenty of neutral shifts. He got 3C money for 4C performance. So, I don't know. I would have loved Ryan O'Reilly. The one thing. Oh, man.

They should have just put that extra money towards Ryan O'Reilly. Yeah. Yeah, but fans of the game. He might have had a factor in that. Yeah, Ryan O'Reilly did not win over Manny. Mr. O'Reilly, I don't think, likes Toronto too much. He only grew up here a Leaf fan. Yeah, but pressure.

Somebody might be there after the game. During game 20, game 21. He called himself a baby recently. O'Reilly? He was really hard on himself. I felt bad for that scrum. Yeah, he was bizarrely hard on himself. And no one paid attention.

And then he called himself a baby. And no one paid attention. and he just gets to continue making millions of dollars on a team like that, which is the dream. To be honest, to be honest. I feel bad about that blip in 2019 when he won the Cup. We can't have... What a burden for him.

We can't have a centerman in Toronto saying stuff like that. Like, look what happened with Linus Ulmark. Look at the criticism. He made himself a magnet day two of camp. Jakob Dovish cried after losing a regular season game in November. I like that competitiveness. For him, I give it to him. cried i would love if leafs were more honest you know what you're right i hope they cry after

every game i would love that yeah it's better than lessons learned and fucking flush it yeah flush tears down your face like flush tears down your face yeah i don't know no and i i like that honesty from o'reilly yeah no i like him yeah but he didn't sign in nashville to make the playoffs regularly and i said it at the time they happened to squeak in his first year and then they got beaten but then they became what they are now which is what we all thought they were then and you know the only reason nashville got into the playoffs was that weird ass u2 12 game winning streak that they torched me on i'll never forgive them uh but i i will say like i don't think ryan o'reilly signed they're going yeah i'm gonna win multiple cups here put it this way we're not built

for that put it this way he wasn't going to be happy in toronto uh that's fine you don't seem happy in nashville yeah that's all i'm so they'll send him to dallas he'll be fine oh yeah yeah no that's that is how it works yeah or florida florida oh he'd be a great panther or lightning panther there is no justice for the blue and white um the lightning the blue and white do you mean oh my god dude when the canucks announced david camp the graphic that they posted i thought they photoshopped a Canucks jersey on no that's just the Leafs and Canucks jersey are just identical from like the nipples up I'll never forgive the Leafs for allowing the lightning because apparently that's the story is they the lightning asked permission to have that same shade of blue

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The signing bonus over the course of this contract is $42.5 million. The rest of it will be salary, which is another $42.5 million. A criminally underrated player. And I think LA couldn't have spent their money better on this guy. This is a great contract. And he's got a no move basically until he gets a modified no move halfway through it. So Adrian Kempe is the future of the LA Kings,

along with guys like Quentin Byfield. This is a great signing. What a week for JP Berry. He gets the David Kampf deal done. And then he also gets the Adrian. Oh, yeah. Same agent. Yes.

Oh, well, it's it's funny because during the Kampf saga, I was like, who's his agent? i looked and it's jp berry who has like 80 clients and i'm like does he need this shit right now this is the kind of stuff he should be working on is uh freaking adrian kempe in this major payday he might be one of his highest paid clients or he must be one of his highest paid clients he's one of the highest paid guys in the league yeah um i think they're good though really good deal for that player oh my god you know what's nuts about that contract adrian kempe at 29 about to enter free agency

is still making less than Mitch Marner signed for in 2019 or 2018. Damn. I'm going to do it. What's the stopwatch? Hey, it wasn't me. It wasn't me.

I'm doing it. I'm doing it. This is a Mitch Marner segment? Buddy, buddy. RFA. No, no. He signed for 10.9. And Adrian Kemp,

he signed for 10.625, Stephen. I thought it was 11. No, Kempe's 10-6. You think that's not relevant? Listen, I'm tired of the Mitch Marner conversation, too. That's sort of relevant. It is relevant. He's 29 and going to UFA.

Now, is he as good as Mitch? No. But that was seven years ago. I also think that's refutable. 40-goal score, Kempe is. 35 goals last season. just off i think it's super refutable just off a point of game uh last couple seasons 75 and 77 73 and 81 no he's that's the highest point he's ever been 75 and 77 yeah and then 73 and 81 last

season this season he is on a point of game pace 19 and 19 cj had a stat like players to players who have scored 100 goals over the last three years have averaged over a hit per game and played I can't remember what the percentage was of his team's penalty kill time and he's like how many players are on that list or I think he tricked Julian he's like which three players and Julian's like oh well I imagine Adrian Kempe is one of them and he goes Adrian Kempe is the only one yeah he's very very very underrated and with Kopitar leaving like this is a team that's gonna need to fill in the gaps that that he's leaving and they were kind of fingers crossed the free agency market's going to be booming in 2026 and slowly it's just dwindling and it's

panarin and nobody else um so they're gonna have a lot of money to spend but this is a good allocation of that seven million dollars that's coming off the cap with kopitar because that's the future of your team right there and the present of your team i should say people are going to point out uh that he's making all this money and the kings haven't had any recent playoff success because they keep losing to the Oilers Adrian Kempe over this run uh in seven games six points in six games eight points in five games five points last season in six games 10 points whoa they did not make it past the Oilers damn it it wasn't his fault yeah he's he's been playing out of his mind 29 points in 28 career uh playoff games because in his first playoff which is in his

second year first full year he had no points in four games i i won't hold that again that's why that hit stat that cj gave out was so good because like this is a player who you know is going to perform in the playoffs and when the games gets a little tighter and it's a little different campaign's gonna still perform great player adam says and like it's not easy to find high scoring wingers who are gonna bang bodies and put up a lot of goals and points and you gotta hold on to these players when you have the opportunity to and that 10.6 that he's making that number is like an eight million dollar deal in the old world like that's how i'm kind of framing in my mind eight maybe seven and a half even but like it's not 10.6 how it used to be so i think it's one

hell of a deal for the kings to lock him up for this long i don't know why i thought he was i thought he was making 11 and a half i thought he signed for the nylander deal no no to find out that he's making 10.6 yeah and up until this point a good deal it was 5.5 oh for this guy who put up 41 goals for you stop 5.5 million dollars that's ridiculous so i don't know i think this is fabulous stuff from the kings and they are running up against the the oilers every single time in the playoffs and falling short of what their expectations are but regardless of the results there when you have good players you hang on to them yes i listen this is a king segment about a king's player but i have to look at everything through a leaf you must no no you have you could

You saw the look on me and Adam's face that caused us physical pain. Like, God, that hurts. Yeah. The Marner points is insane. On this one particular thing, it is relevant. What? It is relevant. The Leafs fans.

Well, and it should be to us. Oh, get out of here. Like the other 31 teams don't think that shit's fucking hilarious. Get out of here. They think that's so funny. Oh, man, it's hilarious. It is hilarious. Objectively, they're right.

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most expensive contracts that are expiring but i'm gonna give you players that are actually performing well this year and their contracts that are up so it gives you a better sense of who's a free agent and who's not. Obviously, we're going to pull like an Anze Kopitar from this list because he's not playing next year. We know that. Yeah. But Evgeny Malkin is currently the best performing UFA next summer

at 39 years old, 23 points in 19 games. Number two, Nick Schmaltz of the Utah Mammoth. He's got 21 points in 18 games. Number three, Artemi Panarin, who's finally starting to come on. Marcus Johansson, who's had a good last couple of weeks, 35 years old. alex tuck's deal is still not done in buffalo he's coming off can you believe alex tuck had a seven-year contract i forgot about that victor olufson with uh the colorado avalanche ovechkin which we're not sure if he's going to play next year pretty sure he's not but uh if he does you

know it's going to be with washington claude drew who's got that bonus laden deal with ottawa you have to think if he is playing it'll be in ottawa john carlson of the caps will probably stay there jayden uh schwartz of the seattle kraken is available anthony mantha jack roslovich who's had a really good start in edmonton the leafs were apparently in on him want to die uh everly devorak keifer sherwood who's going to get over pay him 20 million dollars charlie coyle john gabriel paggio who i have a bit of a crush on this one's interesting jake truba jake truba is an interesting one because uh he's having a renaissance season in anaheim because he's doing the stuff he used to do in winnipeg which is crush bodies and contribute on offense and 12 points in

18 games here's what i'm looking up right now did he have 12 points all of last year i'm not totally certain he did he had eight all last year no sorry that's not true he had 14 he had eight in the 53 games that he played with the Ducks. Their offense is crazy, but he's a part of it. More goals. He had one goal last year. He's already got four. So true, but Corey Perry, Anders Lee, Alex Wenberg, Brent Burns,

who, yeah, you never know. Brent Burns might play again. He's got 10 points in 19 games. There's two 40-year-olds on this list. Vladimir Tarasenko, Eric Holla, Boone Jenner, Victor Arvidsson, Michael Bunting, Sam Malinsky, Kopitar, we already know. Patrick Kane's going to stay in Detroit. David Perron,

like evander kane mike matheson which is an interesting guy in montreal um uh evander kane's been playing like crap uh and a few other interesting names tase which jonathan tase we think he'll probably if he's playing he's staying in winnipeg oscar sunquist tony d'angelo ryan shay mason marchman who'd be a pretty valuable get and logan stanley you stopped right before bobby mcmahon yeah how dare you yeah what the hell also rasmus anderson's on there too i mean if we wanted to go on cap hit alone um you know you've got guys that are you know there and available whatever lots lots of helpful players helpful but nobody i don't think like if you're looking from a perspective of you're surprisingly bad uh nobody that i think is going to turn your

life around can i give you an evaluation of this list yeah it is cal raleigh levels of ass i agree it is a giant dump and going into this season we were all so hyped on the 2026 free agency class it was supposed to be the durant uh nba free agency year where the entire system changes because there's so much money in 2026 is the year hold out for mcdavid don't sign anybody in 2025 because you can get connor and artemi panarin in one class and none of that's happening because guys are just re-upping with their teams all of that has gone away and the guys that are left man it's just mid i gotta know mid everywhere i gotta know what it does for your mental health and therefore physical health to like okay kempe could have gone to free agency and he's making

10.6 he probably got could have got like 12 yeah probably 100 percent uh-huh what does it do for your mental and physical health to just have 85 or whatever it is sheets just guaranteed yeah well for some people it like ruins them yeah that is true that is true but like they go through that you know that that one season where they're like oh i don't know if i'm as good as they're paying me whatever and then they they're fine i think i thought you're talking about like they bought too many boats oh no no no no i didn't mean it like that i mean like like oh i i can i ever live up to this right if you think about the magnetism of a hundred million dollar contract it's crazy well i'm just thinking about it like a poor and i'm just like i don't know if i'd be capable of

having a bad day that's 80 how much how much is it 10.6 sorry 10.6 yeah but the full value of oh 80 something it's oh yeah oh like it doesn't matter does it no between it's uh somewhere between 80 and 90 who cares 80 and 90 million dollars no one listening to this right now has any idea what to do with that i don't know we might have a rich listener or two maybe i don't know yeah you can prove it to me by giving me some it's uh that's crazy i think a lot of guys is 85 by the way 85 i think a lot of guys look at that situation and say the caps going up like that 10.6 that was that kempe got wasn't available to him three years ago on that flat cap that gary had everybody running on so he's like that extra money i'm gonna take it now i'm happy in la why

would i go test free agency and do all that hoopla also you get the eighth year exactly yeah that's so important to these contracts that have been signed from september onwards everybody's realizing that extra year isn't going to be available to me next stock and that will kill this year's free agent market uh it will not kill the next one because it won't be yeah now a seventh year might kill it because well that's why our team always has the advantage right this is getting done because it's it's uh it's the last time there's a deadline yeah there's a deadline on that type of deal very quickly on the leafs because we're getting uh berube quotes right now i just want to let you know that uh there is no timeline for brandon carlo that's bad

so maybe he was playing hurt more than we thought like maybe he has been hurt uh austin matthews has not skated since uh he was he hasn't skated so they lied again no i i don't think they lied so i think he injures it on that play and it's a groin injury yeah yeah but they said uh like they think he'll be at a week oh the lie yeah they lied they lied yeah yeah again the second straight fall they have lied about austin matthews injuries well like don't don't trust them on the timelines at all because they say guys are day-to-day and then they're out they lied yeah paying customers yep that's well there's no injury disclosure in the nhl like there is in the nfl or anything like that so it's not like this it's on the you got to get mad at the nhl for not creating those rules

around that if you want disclosure like it's not on the lease they are doing what is in their right just so you don't know no they they can do whatever they want yeah they can of course they can and i have the right to be like oh fuck all right i want you to direct your anger into the right place yes and that's on the system that the players and the owners have negotiated jesse i have more than enough to go around as long as as long as that's fair yeah we don't need to be efficient with my anger there's lots okay good now i want to uh what else did i want to bring up here um montreal having a bit of a weird time so is buffalo uh buffalo's had that one little bit of life and then now they're bad but you know who's been real good for them who the guy that they

traded jj peterka for josh stone has one last point than jj peterka this year josh stone's great man that's a great player if kesselring wasn't hurt all the time that trade might look pretty good for buffalo right now and you know what's interesting for me is with when it comes to buffalo is isn't that buffalo hey that tage thompson trade looks really good he's got 40 goals if only the rest of the hey that alex tuck jack eichel trade looks pretty good if only the rest of the hey that josh stone jj paturka trade if only the rest this team cannot get it together did you see uh the devon levi thing so tell me about that because that was sneakily that snuck out of the radar well like he's the future of that team like he's i don't know supposed to be

i don't know steve he's supposed to be at least what we were sold a couple years ago their goal their starting goaltender of the future and a stud a stud starting goaltender of the future it looked like it could be lukin in for a while it ain't um you know lions there now but i don't know about of the future it's supposed to be devin levi yep who we thought would be their nhl starter already honestly and then when it became obvious that you know they're rushing them and they're they might be hurting his confidence okay we're gonna leave him in the minors and he's gonna dominate there his head coach with the rochester americans i forget his name was basically bob it's he was basically like uh sometimes you need a save you need a save and he said what is never

a great quote at the end of a game that fifth one can't go in oh now it is the ahl yes it could be weird uh goalies get batted around there scoring is super weird well we took a look at joseph like oh no oh wait he's fine you know um but that is alarming a lot is going right for the sabers if you don't have goaltending you're dead and there's a lot to look forward to in the future for them in terms of the players they have coming up if devin levi is no longer in that equation you got some rethinking to do that's bad uh jess let's talk a little bit about the montreal canadiens with the with the sabers um i think it's a interesting time to bring up them and their struggles because they had a great game on saturday against the detroit red wings they were

down 4-1 and they came all the way back to win that thing in overtime and a lot of that was on the back of tage thompson looking like a superstar that play where he just throws dude down is crazy like there's there's a superstar in the making where it's like this kid's got all the talent that he can be if you surround him with the pieces that are necessary for him to get to that next level because he has those flashes of brilliance and buffalo sabers have something special in that it's just they have never been able to put it together consistently over time but like it was a great tage thompson game and the red wings on the other side of things are like struggling a little lately yeah well they're being what they are well they had they had a

great one against new york yeah back in a playoff spot which everyone was sure to tell me this morning that was nice um but they're two and four in their last six like what are we talking yeah i don't know they were hot and now there's a blip yeah you know it's the season's gonna have ebbs and flows i'm not gonna canadians have lost three straight i wonder with the sabers going into edmonton now if that's something to build on right big comeback win four one downs a pretty significant comeback and yeah um so like there's some optimism there but it hasn't been excited for mcdavid middle part of the season middle part of the fall for them but um yeah montreal a lot of injuries yes um i got nothing on that and i want you heard it and you liked it i wonder what

they i wonder what happens with sam montenbo long term there like are we playing ourselves we know we know we've played ourselves off team canada are we playing ourselves off the montreal canadians uh jack hughes injured his hand over the weekend on friday night on saturday we found out about it on sunday we found out he needed surgery and he's going to be out six to eight weeks now you have to remember this is a player that was injured a good chunk of the end of last season with a shoulder injury and it was at a team dinner and it was noted as a unfortunate accident now with a hand it was released as a non-hockey injury non-hockey injury yeah so with a hand there's not a lot like there's muscle in there but like you can do a lot of damage to a hand pretty easily

because there's a lot of exposed elements and that sort of thing and i don't really need to tell you you probably have at least one of them uh and so when when this happens they're being awfully quiet about how it went down team dinner like i i i do listen i want to be the one to ask the question uh how like are we red dead redemption 2 or we're we're doing the night the knife fingers thing you know what they what do they call that you know they go five finger filet five finger uh filet yeah or like how how does this happen like does he fall over and there's a steak knife on the floor that happens to be pointing directly up and you know how does this happen we don't know and we can only take their word for it that it was a freak accident i don't

think everyone believes that i will be the first to tell you i don't believe it well not for a second do i believe it that's why i think they're being so cagey about it what do you think happened i don't know that's the part that gets me is it's like okay they say it's a non-hockey like they won't even tell us they won't give us anything so you know they're technically not lying which i get the reporter said a couple of the devil's reporters said it he leaned on glass that was broken glass that was on a table and he leaned on it and he cut his hand okay i believe why i can believe that was there broken glass just sitting on a table no no the table was glass and broke and it was already snapped no i think it was uh he leaned on some glass and broke it is what

uh okay well he might have leaned on a glass i don't i don't know so like leaned on a pint glass and he might have leaned on a glass like a glass and broke it or there was already broken glass somewhere and he leaned on any accident or there was a piece of glass or i could see that hand something something along those lines of him leaning on something glass and it breaking well i believe those reporters i can believe that yeah there you go uh sure uh you know sometimes i like to illustrate the difference between us and an nhl player and by us i mean the general us people plebs peasants the lot of us um you get hurt on your job site it's bad but usually your job you know there's workman's comp um or your union's got you or whatever um you hurt yourself at the

bar your boss doesn't give a fuck about you you're just screwed oh so now you're off work you might be lucky if your union helps you out and if you're not on a union job i think you're just fired you're fucked if you work with your hands yeah yeah well i don't know man i'm trying to come up with a general situation here are you trying to say that nhlers are not treated the same no i'm just trying to say like jack hughes is just he's just gonna get all his money it's fine of course well he should yeah he signed a contract yeah his unions got him no this is why like i people talk about nhlers like uh in contract negotiations uh in getting all that they're worth like you're the same oh there's no little guy here no there's no little guy when it comes

to billionaires and millionaires you can choose to root for the millionaire that's fine neither of them know you're alive i'm just here to tell you that that's all that's all okay sorry to be calm try comrade steve for saying this yeah what i'm saying is if he was fucking around he's lucky to be getting his full paycheck well it's the union baby if it was a if it was an accident it was an accident but for those of you who don't believe that it was an accident and he was simply i mean there's accidents it was an accident there's accidents and there's accidents that are fucking around yeah um he's lucky he's not one of us uh-huh well if i hurt my hand at the bar i would still be able to come into work boys well at least we can turn it into a bit where you go

ah steve fucking dumbass give me a high five oh you can't oh you can't stupid idiot i'll read directly from christy flannery i found let's go christy what i was what i was referencing at in stilettos underscore nhl devil's reporter for the hockey news said everyone stated that it was a freak accident that caused devils is jack hughes's hand injury i'm being told he accidentally leaned on a glass and it broke causing the cut that friedman referenced in his report so now are you advocating for all of his money to be taken away no are we first of all how dare you second of all leaned on a glass

you know like you do leaned on a glass I think you do sometimes you're like leaning on the like bar you got maybe you get your hand over the glass and you're standing on and you're leaning on it you're putting your weight on the glass what are you implying that he smashed it I think

you might have been fucking around could have been a beer bottle could have been yeah I want to smash this glass it could have been somebody laughed made a joke any you know like that can happen i i've done it i'll just tell you i've done it but adam that's smashing i'm not leaning on it no but if you were like leaning against the bar and you went like that and whatever and you're like ah that's amazing ha ha ha yeah totally you ever been called into the one that came in as a conspiracy theorist here not you you ever been in the

schoolyard and uh one of you's crying and uh the other one's not and the teacher's like why is that one crying and you have to come up with an explanation really fast anyway that's what that's okay okay well listen whatever it is whatever happened the devils need it to be a freak accident is my point oh it's terrible it's terrible for all involved pr wise no matter what actually happened the devils need it to be they're in the middle of a great season one where they should contend for the president's trophy and maybe even you know make some noise in the eastern conference go for a cup yep um so this is bad i think bad news and also could potentially jeopardize his his olympics i doubt it no i doubt it well if it's close if it's closer to the eight

weeks right that's bad news mid-january he'll probably play yeah though he'll probably play hopefully everything's fine it's one of those things i want to say it's all the devil's fans out there review bombing the chicago cut steakhouse don't do that that's so fucking weird it's very childish to do that listen guys devil's fans can be fucking weird okay i have a lot of experience with devil's fans in my devil's pajamas i'm just gonna throw it out there y'all can be fucking weird i don't it's it's not on them that this happened um and i think if it is affecting their business negatively in any way that's a real shame and i i think you should all stop doing that because that's unnecessary it's not gonna help jack hughes come back and no no no you're not

going to help this situation at all no no there's there's like 25 to 30 rich young athletic dudes uh at the bar and it was the bar's fault yeah for sure for sure you're well adjusted you vote right you go to work they might not like these might be like kids you know who are fans of the i fucking hope they are so uh assuming that the people doing this vote uh we shouldn't assume that because i think a lot of kids are in on this stop that uh stop being hooligans the devil's in the midst of not losing in their last six games last regulation or sorry not losing in regulation in their last six game last regulation loss comes on November 2nd pretty good little streak there um Sheldon Keefe has them playing really well yeah gutsy win against Washington on Saturday to pick up

the two points in the shootout um this is a really good team 13-4-1 I think last check of the standings and it's not just Jack Hughes man like they've had injuries all over the lineup yeah and Nothing's stopping them so far this season. I don't think they're going to drop far in the standings with this Jack Hughes injury. I think they're going to be able to maintain what they kind of are and be at the top of the Metro competing with the Hurricanes there for first place.

The one thing I'll say is they did last year. They looked real, real good with Jack Hughes, and then they still ended up making the playoffs. A lot of injuries on the back end that year. Last year, too, though. That is very true, and they've missed Dougie Hamilton for, i don't i don't know it's hard to keep up with all the injuries in the nhl this year um but like you said uh it's always next man up with the devil oh sorry go ahead go ahead last

just stat on them last undefeated team at home in regulation they're seven oh and one so far wow that's cool i've yet to lose at home so far in regulation there's the ticket that's worth to me that's the best value ticket what's that old the old guy saying if you're gonna stink do it on the road yeah yeah they don't think they don't think at home best value ticket the nhl that's what we should every year we should look at who's the best home record the fans got the most bang from that team that's a good one end of story by the way i don't mean every devil's fan when i say y'all are weird but you guys devil's fans you know which devil's fans no they're hardcore there are certain fan bases fans there's islanders fans and then there's those islanders

fans and oh like come on every fan base doesn't exist every fan base has their pocket least fans have it yeah leaf fans have their pocket um there are some where the pocket is off out of pocket hey right they're just wild man there you go there's a reason earlier in the show i was i was just like oh yeah that one fan base just calls you slurs it's because their pocket is reprehensible yes exactly producer drew in my ear uh avalanche r70 and two oh all right all right Two overtime losses, producer Drew. Shut up. Yo, the Avalanche are winning the cup.

They're so freaking... I'm going to say it every show. Because Drew hates it. Drew also hates it, but they're so good. They're so good. That goal differential, what was it sitting at? It's like plus 31 goal differential right now. Next closest team is plus 14.

Dude, they're winning. They win, and they beat up everybody while they're doing it. Let me tell you this. The Colorado Avalanche, yes, they lost in game seven of the first round against the Dallas Stars last year. Could have won that series. Could have won that series, and they had the worst fucking start last year. They had the worst start.

People forget. They changed. And what did they do? Both their goalies. They changed both their goalies before frigging Christmas and then traded a superstar in February. And I will be the first one to say, I still think you could be this good, and he could still be here. One regulation loss. That's psycho.

Their points percentage is an 8-1-6. Are you kidding me? This is a crazy team. who has the second fewest regulation losses oh my god it's four it's new jersey devil's stars kraken knights all have four wow regulation the knights have six ot losses already i i'm pretty sure i have to check this stat again but i'm pretty sure montreal only has five or was it eight five or eight one of the two it's a low number of regulation wins their regulation wins are like really low so i just click this vegas is four games above betman 500 but two games below

actual five montreal has five regulation wins yeah hot damn that's edmonton that's less than st louis and toronto edmonton has four edmonton has four you want a stat edmonton oilers who are a pretty darn good team only have four regulations tied for last so the oilers and the canadians have less regulation wins than the shitty blues and the shitty leafs come on how crazy is that that shitty well i was about to say the shitty wild they've really turned it on recently yeah they've been good i've advocated for this for a while um wins and losses people that's how we should count the standings yeah it's crazy but i understand the argument that three on three overtime and shootouts shouldn't count the same as winning

and regulation but wins and losses would be nice let me put it this way the vegas golden knights have three wins worth of losses because of the six they have six that's six points in the standings that's three wins yeah didn't win a single one of them nope three wins a lot of people were given the stat about like all the teams the eastern conference uh 10 of the 16 or whatever are above 500 that's not what 500 is no we don't have 500 in the nhl like eight eight and four isn't 500 you got you've lost four more games yeah yeah so i hated that people talking they're talking on hockey night in canada i was like that doesn't make sense no i also i also have to tell you there's a lot of revisionist leaf fans this saturday when morgan riley scored they're like

see he's fucking great and you guys are all dumb and i'm like okay listen we're clearly not what You're clearly watching a different game than I am. Okay. I love seeing him score. He scored the Leafs second goal and the Blackhawks second goal was them lighting him on fire. So, which I give him a pass for because sometimes you get lit on fire, but they lit him on fire. Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway, let's wrap it up there. I will be doing the stream tomorrow against St. Louis and I'll also be doing Thursday. So there'll be five days in a row of Adam Wild. You can't get away from me. What? We didn't even do Rangers Red Wings. Oh, with the picture? I got the picture.

The picture? Well, I mean, it was Jonathan Quick filling his pants. And I can't wait. I'll check my phone. Nope, they haven't announced the five-game suspension yet. For who? For Quick. For what?

When you say, hey, when someone puts the puck in an empty net, you get five games for it. Is that what you want? No, I know it's not a cross-check to the face. but also it is a kerfuffle after the final horn and he should be disciplined for it. Probably a fine, right?

No, probably not because it's the National Hockey League. Subprofessional. George Peros was at the Panthers lightning game on his phone the entire time, no doubt. Playing solitaire. Dude is terrible at his job, doesn't like hockey.

Please quit. All right, now can we wrap? Sure. We want this picture. This is art. That's great. We do have time to do a press conference if you want it.

well we don't because steve's got to leave so in like 30 minutes oh okay oh yeah man i thought it was 130 right now no it's 103 all right okay let's do a press conference though look at that picture that's good shit yeah those rangers jerseys look better than ever anyone give him credit for dark versus dark please more of this red versus blue the steve dangle press conference steve did you score at beer league this weekend no i'm on a two-game pointless trip are you gonna get scratched and sent down i might i might i had points in four or five straight i was real happy about it and now i'm on a slump now this is from listen to luke if there's a coaching change in toronto and it's not for peter deborah who's up

next oh my god that's a really good question Derek Lalonde please god no there will not be a coaching change this season yeah sorry to answer that that way or like Pete it's Pete DeBoer beginning middle end otherwise you don't do it but that would be extremely expensive uh they've already signed Berube he's extremely expensive they'd be spending like 10 million dollars on coaches which is nothing for the Leafs but I I think that that true living would go first and then it would be berube pelly and berube have a very very good relationship so i i don't i don't see it happening that's dumb i think there should be a chain of command yeah i think keith pelly's interfering with that night if i were if he were here right now i would tell him he's making a

mistake yeah well he's the ceo of mlse and if he doesn't know that by this point in his career he's never gonna learn it and they're fucked so steve yeah this one comes from sam if the leafs win the stanley cup would that be the finale of lfr i have thought of that and no no it would not be because sam i haven't told anyone this i have a mortgage i was like what are you like what are you just gonna stop working yeah i know this is my job man you know what guys i bet sport they won the cup too i i won the cup yeah do you hear what i just said by accident i said i won the cup yeah no no steve we know it's it's you and what is what is the term the royal we the royal we with the team they won the cup and now i go back to commentating on

the zoom mobile uh i go back to what i was doing before i started all this uh you quit your business yeah oh you worked so hard for yeah sorry adam sorry jesse sorry maddie sorry everyone to all your families i'm leaving yeah i'm gonna do something anyway good luck with pn no i would i would still do lfr just happier so i this next one i'm gonna attach a question on to it um because this affects us here in toronto and it's a canadian thing so krt prime wrote on twitter non-hockey related question are you paying attention to the great cup tonight they tweeted this last night right and if so what did you think of the game uh second half about to start they replied to our asking questions during the second half and everything so uh i'm gonna ask

did you guys watch the great cup no i couldn't confidently tell you who was in it um much less who won why do we think the canadian football league can't kind of get the casual toronto audience to get aboard the gray cup it's not a part of the milieu here it's not a part of that it's weird because the argos were an enormous draw until like the mid 90s they had doug flutie they were huge they were huge andre drummond and they were owned by like wayne gretzky and john candy and they used to play in skydome and sell it out yeah and they used to do like hokey things like they i went to this game as a kid because my dad went during that era when the argos were actually big in the city he was a big argos fan and they brought out muhammad ali that's crazy

at half time just to have him there and say hi it feels like the muhammad ali game but that was like what the argos were about it was about eventizing the argos games and i was there for that and they gave away a free poster i might still have it somewhere uh first 50 000 fans or 20 000 fans or whatever but they used to have a foothold in the city doing things like that is there something to the idea that there's just too much shit there's so much like i don't know you could find if you found interest in it you you would make time are it is there anyone listening who is a hardcore and i mean hardcore fan of the leafs raptors tfc uh blue jays argos you're jacked about the tempo coming you're jacked about the scepters uh you're jacked about the rock

you're you gotta pick some stuff yeah you gotta you gotta calm down i got three sports i got three yeah hockey yeah formula one and in the fall it's football in the summer it's baseball and really like i grew up watching a lot of baseball but my mother-in-law is the one that's got me back into in the last four or five years because she is an ardent blue jays game fan and watches every game and and so like and i had kind of fallen out with it the argos for me are a brand that was sort of wasted in the early 2000s and uh it's listen the cfl it can't i cannot tell you i can't begin to explain to you how important the cfl is everywhere else everywhere else yeah yeah and and so i am not denigrating the cfl i'm not going to be one of those people i used to be one

of those people but like i lived out west i know the the effect and by the way saskatchewan getting i think this is her fifth great cup ever for the biggest fan base in the sports they're very much like leaf fans they lose a lot and yet their fans are fucking everywhere uh that the cfl is huge it can work in toronto but my question is always what's your point of view the least are the tragic tortured formerly great currently bad franchise that everybody's waiting to return to greatness because they believe it's there the blue jays are a team that actually hey they delivered some championships and and a kind of couple play good playoff runs and a world series appearance this year the raptors won a championship hey tfc did too and that was a fun i i'll watch tfc when

they're good sure tfc is an unwatchable product right now and has been for about seven years under the bill manning era absolutely no excuse they were so fucking bad and keith pelly blew that whole front office out and thank god losing bezbachenko was just killed them anything's easy to watch when they're great but what is the Argos POV and this is the thing and I've actually seen this just this discourse happen with Luke Wilson with TSN going at the traditional CFL fan and the CFL changed some of its rules this year too and everybody's like we're gonna lose three we're all gonna die and become Americans and that's not what's happening but the Stuart Johnson who's the the the newish uh uh guy who is heading up the cfl commissioner commissioner i don't know

why i couldn't think of that word seems to actually have some vision and like hey i want to take the sport in this area the guys that were you know before him were kind of like we're just happy you know we'll just we're happy just barely surviving and i think what i miss with the argos brand what i don't understand and there are hardcore argos fans i'm not going to take that away what i do not understand is what's your point of view what's your story what like they won a bunch of they won a bunch of great cups like in the last decade they won like four and it which is as much as saskatchewan until yesterday it didn't register no one cared yeah they won like a couple like a couple years ago yeah right like didn't they go like two and

three years and i think the way in for the argos is as the uh raptors get good again and price people out because the Raptors have a great fan group but once they get good again those MLSC prices are going to go up up up oh the way people dress at a Raptors game oh it's a it's an event it's like a gala yes yeah yeah I always feel underdressed when I go to Europe yeah you don't go in you don't go in like old shitty jeans no you're you're going like you're looking good Raptors prices are going to go up this team's actually going to they're showing signs of life they're going to be a good team the Leafs are already pricing the average fan out we know that that's been the case for 25 years uh at least marley's are not a top league oh geez i didn't

even mention them tfc are uh just an abominable product why would you pay money to see that and now they're going to be playing in the middle of winter great so i can't sign me up wow that's great business we've been to a cpl game there's another they're fine it's a thing yeah uh so many things but but i don't think any of those are competing for argos dollars what the argos need to do to me is become the family ticket the jays sort of have that right the jays did a great job of that and the same company that owns the jays owns the argos and keith pelly uh was one time the president of the argo that's right in the early 2000s like he's the one who brought in pinball after his playing career to be the head coach and all that stuff keith pelly ran that

team so he has an affinity for that organization well and keith pelly along with scott moore built the CFL back up at TSN. The CFL was failing. TSN grabbed the rights in the mid-90s with Keith Pelley at the helm and turned Friday Night Football into something that Canadians fucking love. Keith Pelley's had a huge effect.

And he went from TSN to running the Argos. Yeah, yeah. So I think if the Blue Jays are, if it takes, if it's a family of four at the Blue Jays game and it costs you, let's say between tickets, food, and travel, 200 to 250 bucks which is pretty low then a family of four at the argos game should be 150

and you should be able to tailgate properly outside you need to create something where it's like what are we doing with the kids that that's you know i'm at the age steve you're at the age where we have kids is like shit what are we going to do with them this weekend if they don't have hockey practice what the fuck are we going to do we got to run them out we got to do something that's what it needs to be that they need to be the summer fun cheaper ticket tfc will no longer be competing with them for those summer nights so you've got a real opportunity here to reinvigorate that brand also can i just be honest their jerseys are kind of ugly they need to go back they need to go back to the navy blues yeah absolutely ugly go back to your mid-90s jerseys

i thought sexy i thought that's what you were talking about to be honest no with the jerseys yeah just like there's there's too much shit there's just too much but you can find in a city this size in in in a you know there's 15 16 million people in southern ontario right between ottawa and windsor yeah you can find three or four hundred thousand who are hardcore argo fans you can yeah that's all you need but just when when you were talking about the argos heyday it just felt a little bit like you glossed over the fact that they were owned by the most famous canadian ever and john candy yeah like they were owned by wayne gretzky and john candy yeah and now they're owned by mlse which i'm sure there's i mean there's obviously benefits to that but

it almost feels like there's a like what if a charismatic owner came in and there was like a rexham sort of thing going on there because that sounds like what you described i think keith's that guy i actually do think keith is keith pelly is absolutely yeah you could listen you can make that face at me all you want i and it's because you're mad about the leafs if the least we're doing fine you would be totally fine with me okay well let me ask this then let me ask the division under keith last year this is a very valid question and and it affects a lot of people does mlse own too much shit that has nothing to do with this though sure it does i don't think you can what you're so fucking smart you can run all what is it five six of these teams well well he's

got to have people under him he can trust and he's he's he's got that now i do think uh i do think where does he have that it's nine high level by the way is it nine yeah if you go by the mlse and what they got on their site they got the leafs raptors tfc argos marley's 905 toronto fc2 i I guess the second division of the Toronto FC team. Oh, that would be their development team, right? Yeah, and then the Raptors Uprising. What the fuck is that? That's their video game team.

What? Yeah, the 2K team that they own. I've never heard of that. And then the EMLS Cup. What is that? Toronto, I assume also their video game team. Oh. So let's go with it is six franchises.

Two of those brands make money. The 905 exists for the Raptors. The Marlies exist for the Leafs. Okay. Four franchises. but you're like oh he has people under him at the leafs no he does not no he doesn't he he fired the president and the gm is lame duck because he goes straight to the coach but if the leafs were doing well you would be more receptive to my con of course i would but the biggest team they own is

shit yes but that's a two month blip that's how they look at remember these guys look at things in decades okay when i get plans are measured in decades oh dear they are oh dear that doesn't mean the leafs won't be good before the decades out why is this angering you so much no because sometimes he's got a proven track record on the cfl most of all which is what we're talking about okay like that's that's his thing if oh and everyone listening i can understand you being like oh well he can't he's he doesn't know the leafs well enough and i'll listen to that yeah but to say that this guy who saved the cfl and made it what it is at tsn which he did yeah and then ran the the Argos and brought them back to prominence which he did okay yeah I think I've got

a point I'm not enthused about the CEO of MLSC being good with the CFL I don't give a fuck okay but yes that was the but that is the conversation is about the Argos yes like that's what we're not talking about whether you think the Leafs and can win with Brandon Carlo out like we've moved on past yeah yeah and I know you're not a fan of the way Kelly's doing things right now yeah and I get that yeah but to say that he he couldn't figure out a business case for the argo but i was talking about a new charismatic owner and you're like keith pelly's gonna do a good job and i went he is like or no you said he's that and i'm like and he is charismatic okay you can yes he is yes he is steve well the argo how much you know about michael freesdale

who is michael freesdale not a lot the yeah who is he uh some other exec they brought in uh what was his position guy who makes a shitload of money like who gives a shit what was his position ceo yep okay great where did he come from before that some other fucking job where he got and what what did he do what did he do with that job no i'm serious answer the question i don't know he came farted into a pillow and slept on it airlines dude airlines okay michael freesdale was not a great call okay and you never heard him talk why because he wasn't a good talker keith at least he at least he stands for something at least he comes out and he goes here's what i think well you've seen his answer the question well you're you're giving me bullshit answers to

real questions okay which is what i'm asking you trying to have a conversation i'm trying to have a conversation i'm mad about the leafs this keeps going back to you're mad about the leafs what i'm trying to say is listen if keith doesn't execute on keith's vision fair but at least I know what it is if the CEO of MLSC is not capable of uh bringing the Toronto Maple Leafs to anything then he has failed at his job I agree I don't give a fuck if the Argos win 10 straight but he just started no he didn't they got to game seven in the second round last year okay Adam do me a favor and blow that out your ass continue that's that's how they look at it that's the result they're wrong but Steve that's actually the result okay Jesse am I wrong on this I was

Like, I thought, like, you're upset about the Leafs, but, like, it was a conversation about the Argos. Yeah. And I feel like we were lost that plot a long time ago. And look at how well the Raptors are doing. And they are doing well. And they punted Messiah this summer. Mm-hmm. That's true.

So, here's the thing. In Toronto, with the Leafs, we're going to find out this year if Brad survives. Okay? Mm-hmm. And then it'll be Keith's guy. Because Brad's not Keith's guy. He's Shani's guy. Who he waited a year to fire.

Well, he had to, because they were. No, he didn't. It was the last year that he did not. how much does he get paid keith yeah millions upon millions of dollars yes you couldn't uh put together something where you could have come to that decision not really how it works at that level yeah what the fuck it's that steve no corporation operates like that that's dumb they they would rather have shanee working for the seven or eight million bucks he was making than not working he's i don't i think your expectation is keith belly walks in the door

and immediately fires Brendan Shanahan. I don't think that's a reasonable expectation with how a company works. They're just somebody new at their job. They had to give it time. So again, the Rodgers book that I keep bringing up, but this team is owned by Rodgers, so it makes sense. There was this guy named Joe Natale

who they had at the top of Big Red Rodgers who was previously working for another company. They wanted him. They wanted him so bad that they were kicking out the other guy and all they had to do was wait a couple months and they could have got him for nothing. Instead, they paid millions of dollars to get him earlier than they wanted to.

They are earlier than they should have. They basically undercut him immediately. And within like three years, they were plotting ways to get rid of him. And then they paid millions and millions of dollars to get rid of him early and looked at it as a victory. They did this whole victory lap. They got a cameo from what's his name from? Is it Brian? No, it's not.

The guy from Succession. Yeah. brian cox brian cox thank you they they got a they got the cameo not when natalie was out they got the cameo when he took over the family trust it was it was natalie was it because the cameo is brian cox going congrats on getting joe natalie to fuck the fuck off oh okay yeah that's what he says in the video and uh they're like 25 million in the hole to get this guy early and then pay him not to work for them so that is absolutely how it works yeah that's how it works at the tippy top but i don't so keith pelly i don't think walked in and had those strong feelings

about shanahan immediately to fire him the same correct in that feeling though sure you can disagree about his feelings on whether or not he should have fired shanahan you know what cj would say you know what cj would say were he here he would say they won the division and they got they took the eventual stanley cup champions to game seven yeah everybody would say that that is how they're going to look at it now you can say all the context before that but that is exactly how they're going to look at it and if the leafs do bad this year which they are and there are already rumors coming out of rogers left right and center about how pissed they are about it action will happen but it's not going to happen on november 17th you got to give this a quarter

you got to give this a little bit longer and are they good will they lose the season right now it looks like they will you get paid for 365 yes but you can't just make a decision in two weeks? You can't. You can't. You can't even do it in a year. Not even us. Not even us.

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