The Steve Dangle Podcast - Chucky | May 26, 2021

Episode Date: May 27, 2021

On this episode of the Steve Dangle Podcast, the Leafs take a 3-1 lead over the Habs (00:00), the Oilers lose 4 straight to the Jets (35:00), the Hurricanes beat the Predators in overtime (54:00), the Islanders can close out the Penguins tonight (59:00), what do the Panthers do with Bobrovsky? (1:01:00), THE GREAT ONE joins the NHL on TNT panel (1:09:00), could the Ottawa Senators acquire Claude Giroux? (1:15:00), the Flames need to sign or trade Johnny Gaudreau (1:19:30), the start of the podcast (1:26:00), the most unsung player on the Leafs (1:30:00), 0, and helmet ads (1:32:00). Originally aired: May 26, 2021 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/yZbcKUfc-Ws Visit https://sdpn.ca for merch and more. We've joined The Athletic and you can too! Hit the link to subscribe: https://theathletic.com/sdp Visit this episode's sponsors: https://ca.manscaped.com/ https://www.betterhelp.com/sdp https://betmgm.com/dangle Follow us on Twitter:@Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram:@SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake second half of a back-to-back and they take two in a row oh my god and how about that they started jack campbell like i personally told them because i called them and said guys you must start jack Campbell of all times worked out shut out on the second half. Babcock somewhere is just having a heart attack. What do you mean a goalie can play two games in a row? It's insane. It's crazy.

I think we need to give a big shout out to forward thinkers like the Toronto Maple Leafs for starting their best goaltender twice. It's crazy. And the Habs did it with a goalie who prior to the series had not played in a month. No one bats an eye. yes it makes sense that Carey Price is playing of course

well of course he's playing two halves of the back-to-back he's been really good what you haven't seen Jack when you spent how much money on Jake Allen to be your backup too right legit backup that was that in hindsight

that looks like to be a great deal because they got him for the regular season that's what it was kind of for just if Carey Price goes down we need jake allen and we need a legit star to get us into the playoffs and they had jake allen for that month and it was awesome and then underrated underrated part of all that jesse is they signed him to an extension after getting him for not very much money and the extension was for like i think it's like 60 of what he currently makes that's awesome he's good he's gonna go down from

like four something to two something that is uh that's a tidy little bit of business there folks that's right i can tell you the exact number here jake allen this year made 4.35 next year and the year after he'll make 2.875 875 so ever so slightly more than i thought that's still quite good yeah um the leafs beat the haves for nothing and despite what you guys are saying about the jake allen trade hashtag fire bergevin was trending or canada wide this morning no yes really There was a, uh, uh, I've several people reached out to me. I haven't been able to get ahold of it, but there was a, apparently just a monstrous rant on TSN, uh, nine or six 90 in Montreal this morning.

Or is it nine 60? I can never, I never get it right. I never remember. Our boy Connor McKenna's there, but, uh, you know, it's, it's a, uh, it's, it's one of those where like people are upset. They're very upset. Are you upset that the, the weaker team lost and that the better team is winning? well they're upset they're the weaker team um okay and like okay there's a little too much of

this going on where habs fans are talking about the series like it's over and then the leafs fans love also talking about the series like it's over game five let's all chill let's all you shut your face you shut your face it's over beforehand it was leafs and six they still got another game to lose i said least in five oh did you i said i did and then i saw them lose the first game and i went ah well it's still possible and look at this it's still possible um it is quite the thing um i don't know what to make of the montreal canadians as a team um you know what i forgot you know what someone brought up in the chat yesterday on sportsnet's youtube channel every game of the leafs hab series the sportsnet youtube channel check us out around game time

uh jonathan druin is not in this series that's true i completely forgot about that because i was thinking about guys who are dynamic players they can create dynamic offense and uh let me go back to something we talked about last episode yeah no adam's right uh they should have played cole caulfield from game one that was dumb that was oh but you talk about guys who can create offense on their own right like the habs score a lot of goals by committee by banging and crashing by working hard they have so few guys who can generate it on their own cole caulfield can do it nick suzuki next yeah yeah yeah yeah nick suzuki can do it and he'll do it better in the future um and drew it i think falls into that category i know he had a very very very difficult time

doing it this year he needs a finisher he needs a finisher but he can create and i just feel like that's a big void on the team i i don't know how they improve their team in a hurry well i think i think maybe going after jack eichel might help uh you know i mean boy do they got to solve that problem eh they do need a top line center they're like philip dino is a great center but the habs are using him like how many how many centers in the league are both a number one center and a shutdown center i don't think i've seen that since mike pecca was the top centerman for the sabers when hashik was their goalie and was and then like you know their top scorer had 60 points and it was miroslav shatan it's it's like bergeron taves when he's healthy ryan o'reilly

like this is the problem the habs are using philip to know like he's ryan o'reilly and there's nothing than quite behind him. Kotkaniemi will be, but he's not. And he's been Suzuki will be about like Kotkaniemi. Yeah, that's

that's your future, right? It's it's the three down the middle. And I guess like you need to upgrade on on to know. But the two and three are set.

If it's Kotkaniemi and Suzuki like that, I think Suzuki will be a number one center one day. He's real good. He's real good.

I don't like playing against him. Then it's Suzuki and Kotkaniemi. And like then there's a one two punch. But like how long you waiting for that to mature into what it's supposed to be.

And how old is Carey Price when that hits its peak? This is the thing. And Shea Weber and Jeff Petrie. You know, it just feels like their offense and where they're at does not match their defense and their goaltending and where that's at. There's not enough prime guys up front. You know what I mean? All those defenders, they're in the back half of prime.

I think you probably move prime up a few years for defense. same thing for goaltending um it's just that's that's the goal with the salary cap era is to have the right players hit their prime at the right time you gotta be a magician yeah and i think i think what we saw last night was an automatic leafs win and this is something as leaf fans we don't see often just one of those where it was just there as soon as nylander scored by the way his fourth goal in four games incredible um you know as as soon as nylander scores the Leafs sort of open up the game opens up and it opens up in their favor and Montreal you know there are some opportunities I think there was a post at one point as well but they're

never really Gallagher but there was never really that that moment where you're like this game could go either way once the Nylander goal went in it was sort of I think it it just became this it's almost like when you roll a ball down a hill it starts to pick up speed faster and faster and faster and by the third period it was you know they're pulling kerry price with five minutes to go and i know and god bless chris cuthbert because one of my favorite calls that he made steve you would have missed this i did when hyman when hyman shot the puck and missed the net on the empty net chris cuthbert's like oh you gotta wonder if that'll come back to haunt him and i'm like he's trying to make something out of nothing i wondered the same thing he's trying to make something out

of this game that was completely tipped in one team's favor um also chris cuthbert was trending and you know he's doing a great job because he was trending because both fan bases were saying he was biased towards their fan base it was unbelievable so shout out chris cuthbert you killed it on the broadcast if you are watching the bruins feed and you're a team that is not the bruins jack edwards is biased if you are listening to the leafs radio broadcast and you're not a leafs fan and your team is playing the leafs joe bowen is biased by design it's on purpose chris cuthbert gets a lot of shit for being biased along with every other you know national announcer i can pretty much guarantee you he's about as neutral as they come well and and like

his counterpart craig simpson who is like mostly a lifelong oiler yeah and kyle bukaskis who regularly covers the sins i mean yeah well that's a toronto crew they're trying there were people that were like oh the intermission i i know that there was a tsn personality uh uh eric on sports law who said oh man the toronto uh you could really tell the toronto bias in the in the intermission and i think he was referring to you know what they had talked about and somebody i think rightly reached out and said well what in montreal are they going to talk about what do you want them to talk about there was nothing there was nothing montreal that was notable they got shut out man yeah like there's nothing to talk about and that's that's the funny part right so

i think i think at the end of the day you're always going to feel like the announcer's against you remember that they're doing a job and also it's pretty fucking lazy to call them biased these do you think these guys care that much you know like really i i've led a very blessed life i'm blessed to be where i am in in my career but part of me is like i wish i didn't start so young because i i did a lot of talking smack and thinking i knew a lot about the industry and talking crap about cbc people and sportsnet people and tsn people and now that i'm involved i see that and i'm like shut up yeah if you have no idea how this works yeah and that's okay you have no idea it's you do know how this works but you're just for the other company well yeah oh

when when another and yeah or you ought to know how this works maybe not you do but you ought to when i thought we jesse and i were confused by what you said because the context of that is you mean other media personalities calling that yeah you're talking we're we thought you're talking about like being fans being a fan oh go fill your boots no deuce if you're a fan go for it yeah go for it go for it go for i don't know if it's the best idea when you're young and trying to get into the business but i mean like i said like i said uh running head start a lot of people i was like this guy's a dumbass who later went on to become a co-worker so i just yeah watch your mouth that's all that's all i'm saying hey learn from my mistakes rather than yours it's better that way

trust me where can we read about your mistakes steve oh jesse i'm on his twitter account no well you can certainly read about it on my twitter account but why not read about it on this team is ruining my life but i love them how i became a professional hockey fan by steve dangle glen why not why not why not read my friggin book okay so jack hamill is awesome neil andrew scores his fourth goal of the series ties the montreal canadians in terms of goals meaning that neil andrew has as many goals as the montreal canadians do this series through forking jason spezza scores his second of the series and then sets up thornton and then you have gauch looking insane and i kept saying i'm gonna highlight this kept saying you can't keep him out

of the lineup good player three points last night including the empty netter that had to sting i think i think especially i think the reason the montreal media are so mad today is their former third overall pick is is a guy that and i listen i know how it went for gauch in montreal it went well and then it didn't go well and then it didn't go well in pittsburgh and it didn't go well in arizona it didn't go well in ottawa and it didn't go well in carolina minnesota minnesota carolina he never got to suit up he had a lot of didn't go else right and this was his last it better go well i here's where the frustration comes you don't look at that and say the hab screwed up because they directly went from galchenyuk to domi his best seasons sold high uh got josh

anderson that's fair you don't feel bad about that but you might look take a look at the player that galchenyuk is um and his you know commitment um to just both both sides of the puck and feistiness and the ability to the willingness to take on a role that maybe he wasn't used to or maybe he wasn't willing to before and you look at that and you go why couldn't you have done that here i think michelle terrian would be the reason he couldn't have done that there i think i mean the montreal organization for employing that coach for that long some guys have egos for sure but i think you know they talk about the different coaching styles you know you gotta you know uh we we don't like we don't like patch already and we don't like suban and we don't like galchenyuk

it no listen everyone good doesn't have the right attitude yeah are you sure that's the issue here are you not like developing these guys properly is there not the right atmosphere the right culture maybe they're just not exactly the way you were when you were coming up in the nhl mark bergevin yeah and i'm not in that and i'm not talking about this iteration of the montreal canadians because all the guys i just mentioned have been gone for several years but man i love i love chucky i with a fully healthy roster i have no idea i have no idea what you do the one the one thing that is definitely going to help keep galchenyuk in the lineup um it was later in the game well and as evidenced by the fact that he got an empty net goal but it was later in the game

and they got a line of nylander kerfoot and galchenyuk out there defending a lead and the habs have an empty net they're defending the lead against an extra attacker neil and playing defense that does not happen last year that doesn't happen in any year before this they move heaven and earth babcock or keith they move heaven and earth to get neilander the hell off the ice kerfoot's out there and galchenyuk is certainly not like there's there's a reason he seems to only play first or second line left wing i'm also pretty sure kerfoot didn't kill penalties until he became a leaf and that's only been this season and he's been really good i don't know if he did in colorado but i don't think he did in his brief tenure under babcock he also got suspended and suffered

a broken face there was a lot of heads yeah there was a lot he didn't have a smooth start it's interesting that it took two three injuries to get galchenyuk in the lineup like that's the only reason we're seeing him play right now and he's been unbelievable you know so i wonder like like you said a healthy lineup i don't know if he cracks it well i think that that you you got to look at someone else coming out and i i i know that makes it now oh well yeah well obviously and listen bless the guy he he's great depth to have he's great in case of emergency break open glass but the playoffs boy they start in a hurry you know they start in a hurry and like it was amazing to see adam brooks get in the lineup well that was going to be the

next guy i brought up how do you keep him out of the lineup when spets and thornton work so well dude here's the great thing they have legitimately five full lines of players i'd be completely comfortable with maybe even six if they had to throw nick patan in the lineup does anyone get nervous no dennis maugen still there isn't he yeah no we haven't seen him this season he had a great season in switzerland um let's hey everyone don't write off the mason marchman trade just yet that doesn't it okay mason marchman would not be on this team you know mason marchman though that trade would have been a daily discussion with this fan base in years past yes but they're so good and they're so deep that we don't really care we don't really care and and

like i said in the lfr today would i have taken rasmus sandin out of the lineup no but if what makes your team sink or swim is swapping Sandin for Dermott, you are never going to win the cup anyway. You aren't even going to win a series. If that roster decision ruins your team,

you're done. And that's just not the case. We thought they had depth last year. They actually have depth this year. And if Foligno is healthy, we don't see Gouch. Also, if this is the regular season,

next like next season uh robertson's probably in there yes no he might be an option later on this is this is a problem that's like great to have awesome wicked problem give me this problem this is it oh it's delicious now i i do want to say travis durman i know they threw him in there to keep him engaged which you know i was like okay uh but on the road too he looked really good looked really good there was yes this is what we wanted for this is this is the travis durman we were all hoping for there was a moment um where perry installed they ended up sort of getting behind both him and bogosian bogosian i thought did a good job of limiting stall as much as he could but dermot was aggressive at perry and really only left him with one option and that's

to make sort of an awkward pass and it if if you watch the replay it's almost identical to what the situation riley had with nick suzuki but travis dermot learned from that and was far more aggressive right it's man a an injury one injury on the Leafs defense of any player over the past few years they're done don't even bother playing the rest of the games this year they're they're fine they're fine totally fine it's I have not I've never slept this peacefully during the Stanley They've got playoffs. It's crazy how good the Leafs defense has become when they take out Barry and CeCe

and you add Brody and Bogosian and then a healthier Dermott and Sandin. And all of a sudden, this is a really, really solid defense. And Muzzin can actually play the series. I don't remember the last time the defense was this good in Toronto. It's never been. It's never been while we've been alive. It's a team thing as well.

The forwards have this new commitment. they're making it easier on the defense i was watching um uh i think it was doug mclean on line movement with nick kiprios and he's like he was talking about the montreal canadians and their complete inability to generate offense and he's right but he's like is the leafs defense like so big and bruising that you can't get through them and that's that's not the issue it's breaking the line is so difficult they've always got two guys back and they've always got one of the fastest group of forwards in the nhl barreling down on you from the other end and they just smother you are you saying line movement is the issue way you see because hey hey hey there you

go doug that's who is that anyway he doesn't know hockey do you know he drafted jared f that one time and also rick nash did you know that he drafted rick nash i do hope one day we get doug mclean on this show i that we make fun but this doug mclean is well known uh around the sports and always drafting rick nash but yeah but also being probably the best guy to work with ever like everybody loved everybody loved doug mclean to a person no one has ever said anything bad about that man so we'd love to have him on the show one day we do have to tease him about that though because i listened to doug mclean for 15 years talk about how he drafted rick nash and nick sheredev so i mean listen we all have our thing mine as i worked at the zoo his is he

drafted rick nash first overall i know which one i would have rather done people like whoa how do you fuck that up uh we've seen some pretty bad top three picks before so i think nhl's history says here's how here's a long list of here's how ask the oilers about 2012 i think it was 2012 right yes so you talk about yak yakupov oh baby also i don't know if you guys saw this or not but bill burr tweeted about the leafs what did he say the first time he's done that and he's a big hockey guy he said things are getting interesting in a certain canadian city that this bruins fan does not want to jinx so if i'm not mistaken he's a bruins fan who actually likes the leafs yes like The Leafs are like his second team.

So a sick, disgusting part of me wants it. With Bruins and Leafs in the finals? Because it could happen, right? Yeah. I don't care when. I don't care when. Couldn't it happen? Is that the way it looks?

Oh, it could happen. Yeah, it could happen, but it just depends on the seeding because they reseed after all of the division winners, so you got to hope that they're on opposite ends of the bracket. Yeah, looking at it now is a fool's errand. And yeah, you can't predict it. That's kind of cool. I like that they're receding it that way.

I think that's cool. I wish that there were a little bit more of that was done. I understand the travel thing is a restrictive thing, but I do really like that because I feel like, and this is just an aside and we'll move on. But I think what's frustrating sometimes is like knowing that the Leafs and the Canadians can never meet in the Stanley Cup finals again. Like why? Why can't we have?

wouldn't it be great if if when the california teams are monsters to play against we could have an la san jose final i think you need conferences i think you need conferences i think you do but i don't think there's any reason why you can't just jumble it up after the second round is there any reason yeah but like real reason basketball is not like ah you know we can't have the knicks versus the the nets or the miami heats or the celtics or it's that's just how it works man yeah and then you pull you play out to the final so then you have a conference champion you know like that's what the semi-finals is the conference champion ran yeah and you get a trophy for that yeah in the nba they're not afraid of it what is it it's not the lester b no it's the

prince wales trophy something whatever the eastern conference trophy champion is i think it's wales something i think it's the prince of wales i don't know what the other one is clarence campbell clarence campbell yes clarence s campbell i think well and and here's where it's dead in the water the new york yankees cannot play the boston red talks in the world series you know what i mean it's every sport i know just i know listen i get it adam i get it it'd be fun all right um by the way i just want to say this again based on what we've seen in game three and game four and i and this is just a continuation of my rant from last episode thank you steve for acknowledging the cole caulfield thing um dominic ducharme is cannot be the head coach of the montreal canadians next

year cannot this cannot cannot cannot happen what combination of the montreal canadians would beat the leafs it's not really about that you had a chance you could have said that about the jets too you'd be like what combination of the jets are going to beat the oilers look what happen it can't happen and and you had you had a one game edge on the leafs already now yes we understand what happened to Tavares and you can't plan for that however you're starting out your first game and you're not playing your best players to me that is inexcusable like we're debating whether or not Gauch could be in the lineup with Foligno and Tavares were healthy they're like they're actively keeping players who are very good off their roster you can't tell me

that that they made the right roster decisions even in game one well if they had the chance in game two to really put their foot on the Leafs neck they know the Leafs are jittery in the playoffs they are the Leafs are jittery in the playoffs you had the chance to really like you imagine that what kind of conversations are we having on Monday of this week if Montreal had gone up to nothing which is entirely plausible it would have been bad bad it would have been bad And you can see a little bit of playoff inexperience there. I don't know Dominic Ducharme's coaching record. But it's 10-13 and something.

It's not good. Okay. No, like, I mean, how often he's been in the playoffs or if he's ever been a head coach in the playoffs. I don't know if he's ever been a head coach. Right. So he didn't go with the tried and true strategy. In game two, they were heavily penalized and lost.

and then in game three and four they basically backed off of being bullies which is ridiculous what you're supposed to do is take a bunch of penalties in game two complain about it and then the penalties aren't there in game three but you do the exact same shit that's that's what i've learned over the past few years it's what the blues did to the bruins it's what the bruins do to everybody it's it's what the hurricanes just did to the predators they they had the penalty The power plays were 7-3 in favor of the Preds in back-to-back games. Rod Brindamore coughed up some money by complaining about it. Guess what?

Next game, it was 4-2, I think. They still ended up losing. Listen, there was a couple even-up calls last night. Yeah. Brooks was a little silly. Yeah. Did you guys see the article Dom Luchesian wrote in The Athletic about make-up calls in the playoffs?

He wrote specifically. Never heard of him. Me neither. Love him. he wrote it specifically about mcdavid because he he drew zero penalties in those four games that's an embarrassment and he's like how was how was that possible so he like ran down all the shifts and just the uh all of the infractions that actually took place and that should have been called i think and jeff fayette said he was ridden like a jet ski yeah like it was a little

ridiculous and he made he made the point which is the overall thing was that when you when the refs ref this way all you're doing is benefiting the defense you're discouraging offense and it seems like all the every other game changes the style of play towards generating more offense so the nba has gone this way where you can't touch anybody and everything's a foul and it generates more offense and then the three-point line and then the nfl has gone the way where the quarterback is so protected that you can't touch them anymore and it generates more offense and the nhl during their highest point of the season goes this way where the defense is allowed to do anything to these players and then there it limits the offense because it's like oh it's on the offensive player

to go deal with that and play this new game because you have the puck so anybody can do anything to you and i thought it was a very good point i i think you're right for the wrong reasons i don't think it i don't think the refs putting the whistles away rewards defense it rewards cheating. It rewards breaking the rules. You're not allowed to hold Connor McDavid. You're not allowed to hook Connor McDavid. You're not allowed to trip Connor McDavid. You're not allowed to elbow

drop Connor McDavid. You're not allowed to throw Connor McDavid. You're not allowed to do these things. Some of the plays I saw were ridiculous. If you're on defense, you can't. Like, so it's rewarding defense. It's rewarding cheating. Defense doesn't involve cheating. Exactly.

No, defense, that's why I said I think you're right for the wrong reasons. Okay. can you both be correct because I'm feeling like the cheating rewards the defense so I think you're both right I think you're making the point no Jesse's wrong

I think your point your point further you are furthering the point of the article that I read here what did you say again here say it again you are furthering I disagree

yes i'm not trying to take anything away from the jets um but for god's sake zero zero drawn penalties by connor mcdavid that's ridiculous and you know someone right now is well maybe he wasn't as engaged big man shut up you didn't watch you didn't watch connor mcdavid was he could have drawn at least a penalty a game yeah well how much of the game do you want to be on the it's caught in a game zero and four it's not good enough there's one instance where he was need by dylan de mello and they just chose not to call it it's it's i don't want to compare it to the ben charot hit on tavaris because they're not the same but a uh how do i describe this chris verstig had a really interesting hit on sportsnet radio talking about

the bench rod hit on tavaris and it was more of a just an overall symptom of something that's um it happens too often it's guys leading with their knee yeah i still don't think the hit was nefarious but it's and i don't think dylan de mello was like i'm gonna friggin i'm gonna knee conor mcdavid guys know that they can't knee they know they're gonna get kicked out of the game they know it's going to go bad for them um but i wonder if that's the sort of thing that goes the way of the can opener does that make sense like with brian mccabe i wonder if it goes the way of the can opener guys stop throwing it they just crack down well they wouldn't have stopped the the can opener if they weren't penalized for it right right um so anyway

we'll see what happens with the leafs and habs tomorrow night thursday night uh it could be the Leafs uh first second round appearance since 2004 I was in grade 10 with Steven Jesse how old were you and what were you doing 2004 uh 12 so 2004 I think that would have been my first year uh no I wouldn't have been in high school because you guys were in high school so you're in grade seven seven or six yeah wow it's spring so you would have been grade six six okay yeah yeah but uh and you're an april boy so i can uh we're a couple days i know crazy grade six long time ago yes he's almost 30 what the fuck how are you guys gonna feel if it happens on friday no tomorrow thursday how are you guys

gonna feel like how's that moment what do you think how do you how's that how are you gonna be overcome in that moment it's a different mindset this year it's just uh i'm gonna be like all right now it's time for the jets like i'll feel business yeah okay in my head there's no reason not to not to at least win two rounds listen i was gifted a shirt yesterday because i am a goddamn influencer and people send me free shit and so i got a leafs north division champs shirt by who i can't say but so they did the finish first in the north division but i think i said in a video or maybe it was on this podcast um i think if you come out of the north division you're what you're the north division representative in the third round of the playoffs

then you're the north division champs yeah i'm gonna have a hard time wearing that shirt until until they get through their next opponent and to get through the next opponent they got to get through this one listen both times uh or no two of the three times at least fell in seven to boston they came back from three one down i don't want this shit going to seven i don't want this going to six it'll tell you why uh your boy agreed to work on the uh world uh gaming championship there for nhl 21 on saturday that's going to go from about noon to five or six then i'm going to have enough time to maybe kiss my son on the forehead shove some food in my mouth and then go downstairs for the three-hour leafs abstream for what i can only assume will be a quadruple

overtime game i i would really like this to end in five i know we've signed up for it yeah i did not know we were going to do every game when i agreed to do the championship i did not know we were going to stream every game on the we don't have much time for it but before yester or monday show i asked you um because you were saying on the stream that you like doing this more than uh watching the game regularly because you watch more of the game did you want to talk about that yeah oh sure so well i'm far happier and far less stressed out because i'm not reading twitter true i've made friends off of twitter i've made money off of twitter i i've i've advanced my career off of twitter but boy sometimes is it bad for you and i have just it's been such a

much more relaxing experience watching with no twitter um it's too much yes i know there's the chat um but like here i'll let you on a little secret um i don't see the chat i get sent the questions because it'd be impossible to watch the game while like we had as many as 18 000 people and how what percent of them are commenting and what percent of them are commenting every 20 seconds i can never read that uh it's just better and i'm having to pay really close attention because i can't rely on the commentators because i can't hear them i have no game sound no nothing so when cory perry stopped matthew's empty net attempt in midair i would have heard the stick but i didn't so i was just sitting there like did matthew's there's did he just miss the net and

they show the replay so sometimes you get you get double uh you know double your money whatever because i'm like what the hell happened there and you know what the hell happened there and then they show the replay and i go no way holy cow and and we were talking after the game actually one of the producers is like it's amazing how often you're like is that what this was and then they go and yes that's exactly what that was like on the broadcast was that a slash that was a slash and he's going to the box um it's i'm really enjoying it i'm gonna miss it in round two it doesn't sound like we're doing it in round two but it's been such a success well yeah why don't we just do it well then it would just be a watch along i guess we could part part of the the

what's so good about it is uh you get to watch the game beside me yeah we can't right and yeah we can't do that yeah do that so so that's tough um it's weird that the really successful thing you're doing wouldn't be continued but anyway well they're hoping but i can't comment that's why i said it because i know you can't other things other fun things okay okay we gotta move on we gotta say sorry oh i don't remember what we do have to move on though we gotta move on quicker here guys because our shows are a little shorter right now yep now Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters.

On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. jets and oilers jets win a double over time over time and i think these two tweets say it all okay number one comes from dan 10900 uh don't ask me why but he's a stats guy and he took money moneypuck.com's model game one and they have a deserve to win-o-meter which i love this thing okay so no game one the deserve to win-o-meter edmonton 18 or sorry sorry 18 81 jets 19 game two

59 to 40.6 percent game three edmonton 70 or uh jets 30 and then game four 72.8 for the oilers and about 27 for the jets um this series wasn't close in so many ways and yet the edmonton oilers and ken holland just did his press conference as we started recording so i've got a couple quotes from that to get to which i think you're going to laugh at uh because i'm a little kid i i said on twitter i was excited for where the oilers could go or are going i think steve you said it better you're excited about where they could go but i'm a little concerned they aren't going anywhere they aren't so let's talk about quickly what happened in the series and then what do you do from here well i look at the deserved win-o-meter and how the jets play and how the jets

won four straight games against the Oilers and I look at their performance on the deserved win-o-meter and getting out shot and getting out chanced and I go is this a feature or a bug it like do can they win those four games against another team

the Oilers defense was shambolic they gave away the final two games they had leads in the final 10 minutes of both of those games one of them was multi-goal uh they did not get goaltending out of mike smith who is going to be promptly rewarded with a an extension that's what ken holland said today he wants to resign mike smith

which means your combo next year is koskinen smith unless they can find a taker for koskinen so he said he's looking at a buyout and i think it was archaeola guy was talking about the top two candidates are pretty obviously koskinen or um james neal calgary won the the that trade trade yeah and you know it's funny because james neal had that like roaring 15 goal start and then just stayed there just never scored again that dude i would love to know what percent of his oilers goals he scored in two months like i'll find out for you man man oh man it's it's it's crazy and so you know uh the other one i think is really really good because this is from jonathan willis this is when you sent me steve when in our in our twitter conversation

um game one two one loss plus a couple of empty netters right fair right yeah game two overtime loss game three overtime loss game four overtime loss he said the oiler season ends with the weirdest closest sweep we've ever seen and like hard to disagree on that wasn't it close against chicago too i don't really remember well regardless of that it doesn't i mean to be honest with you what we're you know like last year is sort of a an anomaly like i can see how weird shit would happen last year yeah but the oilers well like in in close games in overtime like the deciding factor and usually those cases just okay who skates harder in overtime and a kid do you get a lucky save or does your goaltender let a bad one in or what's the mistake that

happens and or does tristan jari give the puck away right or yeah which goalie does a dumb thing you know and it just three times it was the oilers who made the mistake and i think if you do it three times then it's kind of a pattern so it's the leafs conversation jesse why always you yeah you know why did you do this in the span of five days why did you do it three times yeah like okay you play a lot of close games but you see how there's always a winner and a loser why are you always in one column one team outfought you each of those times so james neal scored about 15 or 16 goals in like his first two months in edmonton right something like that okay so his goal totals in edmonton last year and this year are 19 and 5 oh wait was last year no last year wasn't his

first year in edmonton wait sorry yes it was one one more time last year he had 19 goals this year he had five the year before that he was in calgary the year before that vegas things from thoroughly uh from early on last season are they feel 18 years ago i get that i can't believe this is james neal's second season on the oilers adam that that's that's what shocked me you're there's no way holy what yeah what yeah wow okay cool i believe you and not that we take the step that seriously but he's a minus freaking 20 last year last year yeah like in his good season where he scored all those goals 19 goals 31 points in 55 games is minus 20 but and most of those goals came in the first 10 15 or was it 20 games in edmonton like it wasn't as severe afterwards

so the yeah it's a bummer for him now um interestingly uh uh you know there was a lot of there was fallout about connor mcdavid and it's funny reading the comment section in our in our youtube video uh i wanted to see how many people came after jesse and i think i counted like zero about connor mcdavid's leadership i wondered if i had said that what people would have said however no see i didn't say it in a headband so i was right you know that's true if you say things in a dumb headband then you're an idiot you stupid dick it's just so offensive to people i don't understand but but you know it is interesting when you go back and you watch the body language when he's yelling at poolie rv on the bench oilers are up three to two and he might just

have like the resting i'm unhappy face resting bitch face whatever you want to call it but like there seemed to be even when the oilers went up in the third period body language was a thing am i wrong so jesse had me thinking the whole rest of the day after last episode and i thought you were gonna get lit up and you didn't really but uh when i was doing dang it's um they showed the the ethan bear giveaway um leading to the game tying goal in game four by the way everyone leave fucking fucking leave ethan bear alone are people have you seen this yeah he's getting he's getting um how do i how do i put this simply he's getting the jake gardner treatment but racist oh gosh yeah just everyone's they're just lambasting them on social media not everyone but

i'm kind of glad i missed that just because i don't want to be depressed an arrogant ignorant minority but anyway game four um he does it's the giveaway that leads to the game tying goal which leads to overtime so that was in the dang it's video but then the the before the replays begin they show connor mcdavid on the bench and he's like laughing like kind of uh i don't know how to interpret it would you say snide would you say like it's not a happy laugh it's hard to know yeah i would say snide but it's hard to know not knowing what the context was who like there could have been some guy off camera giving him shit like who knows you don't know but part of me saw that And I was like, they got to get this guy some help, something fierce.

And I know we say that every time we talk about Conor McDavid, they got to get some help. I'm not talking about guys who can put the puck in the net. I'm not talking about guys who can dish. I'm not talking about guys who can hit. I'm talking about guys who can lead, who can lead. Because you're asking a, how old is he now? 24.

You're asking a 24-year-old to put this team on his back. And I go back to that all Chicago Blackhawks fans know exactly where I'm going. jonathan taves i think he was the youngest captain in the league and he takes a bad penalty and brent seabrook goes over to him and he calms him down listen kid calm it down and they had duncan keith too and they had all these vets on the team they had all these guys who even though he was given the burden of leadership like that that anvil that is a sea on your chest at times for certain guys even though he was given that burden of leadership he had other guys around him to help him and connor mcdavid has to lead this team with his personality and with 105 points in

56 games it's too much they're expecting of this guy and i don't know how anyone claps back at him it like if he was to bark bark at your team or if he was to tear a strip off your team verbally who's speaking up who's pulling him aside and going listen man that's enough listen man that's not how you do it listen man all talk to them and again we're not in the oilers locker room we don't know but he needs someone who can be a voice he needs someone he needs someone he's got to be i think he's a quiet leader i don't think he's rah-rah guy and sometimes it just feels like he's a little bit on an island well and there were times when you watch the leafs um in their development too like pre this year last year did that team look like they were having any fun

last year the whole year not a likable group not a fun group to watch maybe barring that first 20 games that keith was the head coach and then they kind of flunked out of the play-in round kind of a fart the whole team the whole season was and the season before that with babs you could tell body language was there not a fun place to play you know the players were starting to just lose their patience with the guy um and i am my season first season without marlo yeah good question yeah and that's the thing you need some guys who are maybe potentially older contributors who can kind of um maybe manage that load a little bit like you look at what thornton simmons spezza have brought to toronto in the last couple of years there's been a marked difference in how

these guys have played and how much fun they seem to be having and a little less pressure on the Marners and the Matthews of the world to, to lead. I think you're absolutely right on that, Steve. And it's funny, you know, I said the last, uh, the last podcast about Edmonton having a real opportunity here to make a change. They've got a real opportunity this off season to make changes and people were like, well, if you resign, you have to resign this guy and this guy and this guy and Nuge, uh, all that money's gone. Well, you're not resigning Nuge. Nuge should not be back. you know he's a contributor but he's not a six million dollar contributor and you need to go out and find somebody else do you think ryan nugent hopkins is assisting conor mcdavid in the leadership

burden cat uh category doubtful i don't know well if he was it's not enough and so maybe you just don't resign some of these people maybe you make a change and i i had some people in my dms oilers fans saying well you can't make changes through free agency we all know how that worked for the by the way it did work before the salary cap so go to hell uh but the but but the reality of that situation is you can't wait around and draft your way into this the oilers have given themselves no opportunity zero opportunity to do that now they could have done it when connor mcdavid was 20 21 22 you know guys that are three or four years behind it like an ethan bear like caleb jones those guys are looking good but the window to draft you gotta draft well always but the

window to draft a core around conor mcdavid has closed because if you wait another four or five years when those players are truly at their best conor mcdavid's gonna be 30 so you gotta change it now you gotta do it now and you gotta spend some money on you and when you buy free agents you spend too much money and when you're unfortunately with edmonton they have to pay even more we've seen that this is why i think it's important that the player the player slash players who come in and they take on that burden of leadership i think it's important they be good and they be key contributors so i look at milan lucci's first year in edmonton right and listen we we know cam talbot had an absolutely unbelievable year um you know we can't

We can't be taking what is very clearly goaltending and then lumping it on Luchich who had 50 points. You know what I mean? So I know a large part of their success was goaltending that year, but Luchich comes in 23 goals, 50 points in 82 games. And then it all crumbles for him crumbles to the point where he was willing to,

okay, trade me to your most bitter rival. You know what I mean? so i can shake this off what once he stopped being a key contributor for them it all fell apart now it coincided with the goaltending as well but they got to get guys who can be a voice they got to get guys who can be a voice in the room and on the bench i want to i want to read a couple quotes from uh uh from the uh the holland thing first off he said you know i think rashad really went after him about um about the contracts and that sort of thing i believe uh and he said you know

like people say shirely signed this contract shirely signed that people sign bad contracts it happens so here's the thing with edmonton fans they don't want to hear that right now they don't want to hear that the other thing edmonton oiler fans i don't think want to hear is we got beat by a real team winnipeg is an established program with really good players and really good depth we're going to try to grow into one of those really good hockey programs ken holland wants the oilers to become the jets come on so i don't think the jets would if you were talking jets against golden knights from three years ago you got me i'm in but i don't think the jets think that they want to be the

jets right now like they're happy with where they've come but if you think winnipeg hockey fans have not been extremely frustrated with this team all year because the talent that they had on defense has kind of dissipated i think there's a you know i think they're one of the fan bases that's had the most fun in these playoffs because they had the lowest expectations bingo that's a great way to put it steve they really did um and i think a lot of them would be like yeah all right you caught me there's nothing wrong with that that's great i was eavesdropping on a twitter conversation it was archaea guy and someone else who's an olympus fan i don't remember who it was but he was listening to the ken holland quotes just like the one that you just said to me and

he's like he seems lazy and archaea guy goes i think lazy is harsh but perhaps unimaginative you know what i mean and i don't expect him to you know it's all all of management is is poker you're not going to turn all your cards around and just be like here you go gotta keep them a little close to the chest but like let me know you're thinking outside of the box let me know that problems will be solved let me know you're you're doing work man and if you're an oiler fan and you look at how the last five years of the detroit red wings went under ken holland what what do you have to go on like i know the guy won a bunch of cups earlier on good for him that's great but that's a while ago now games changed a lot developments changed a lot

caps changed a lot pandemic what are you doing and and and the that doesn't mean that he can't but my thing when the Edmonton Oilers hired Ken Holland was boy did they miss an opportunity to get somebody who was hungry because Ken Holland's done it he's won it he's been there get a tortured soul yes get somebody who needs it who burns for it the way Connor McDavid and Leon Drysdale i wouldn't lack i wouldn't say the oilers lack desire i think they lack depth their team i did not want to play in the playoffs because it's four to seven games of cassian mcdavis cara mcdavid for very different reasons dry sidle for very different reasons yamamoto is uh is a pain in the ass from the from this season series um and i think the way they get

out of some of their cap trouble is they're going to go young and they do have some prospects coming up but i go back to the leadership thing i was saying that's going to be a problem you can't go young oh but they're going to resign mike sniffs smith steve that's you can't have that you can't have that and by the way jets fans apologies for not focusing on your team more often i'm glad we got the chance last episode you guys had the sweep good for you incredible we'll see what happens in the second round with whoever makes it through on the Leafs or Canadian side but uh we'll talk more about you in the future the real story here is with the Oilers being swept yeah and you have to admit that I'll give I'm trying hard not to look past the Habs

because the Leafs do still have to beat them one more time but there there were a few plays last night in particular I'm like the Habs just don't have the finishing power and if the Leafs pull the shit against the Jets they might it might burn them they don't like the some of the open looks they had towards the end of game three um they just they don't have the finishers the jets do they have it in abundance they're ah god i'm really that's gonna be an annoying series for whomever they face let's get into the canes and preds but we still have time to do it um i don't think we're talking enough about how the canes who went up 2-0 in this series yep really blew it in the last couple of games before winning last night

well adam they they outshot the predators greatly they get i said it they got goalied but i here's here's what i'm seeing with the canes that i did not see last year and that i haven't seen in the rod brindamore era they're sloppy they're really sloppy yes and let me let me just give you a stat to back back it up okay the um the take a wild guess at the turnover ratio in last night's game oh i saw that it was like 21 to 6 or something 21 to 4 4 yeah they had 21 turnovers against the pretz and the pretz had four so you're wondering how how is it that how is it that this team the predators who barely even get a shot in are winning efficiency right and and the canes did win last night and the canes are a good team and i think here's the thing with the canes what's so

fucking frustrating is they are probably to me anyway one of the most complete teams we've seen in this era i think it's like like tampa bay is the most complete team we've ever seen in this era like of of the salary cap here i think the tampa bay lightning are the most complete team that doesn't guarantee you a win but boy pretty tough like you could have a guy that wins the heart trophy guy that wins the rocket the guy that wins the norris a guy that wins the vesna like it's pretty tough to compete with that carolina's right there they're right there they do have this element of them where i'm like just do it yes looking like you're gonna do it and do it they they do drive you nuts they're another youngish team we we think about them as older than they are too i

I don't think it's a lack of leadership, though. I think it's just getting over that hump. I also think we should, if we can do 30 seconds on Martin Nietzsche, that'd be nice. He's 22, had a two-goal game. He sits in the Matthew spot on the power play at the left top of the circle, and he wired two shots. The first one got stopped, and then they just fed it back to him

because that's their go-to, apparently, and he scored on the second one, and then he had that beautiful wraparound goal. And I just feel like, Hey, if, if Martin's playing in a different market, if he's playing in a Canadian city, the stories that would be written of this 22 year old who scored these two amazing goals that gave Carolina the, uh, three, two lead in this series. Like there'd be so many articles written about him today, but because he plays in Carolina and his name is Martin Nietzsche and nobody talks about him across the league, like there's nothing, you know, he just goes unnoticed.

So there's your two minutes for all the Carolina fans out there. reminds me a little bit of when jeff skinner was a rookie and nobody paid attention to him and he just scored like 40 goals and it was like oh he's but he plays in carolina so nobody's paying attention which is ridiculous wasn't until he hit 30 everyone's like oh oh wow that's crazy yeah and it's funny with with it feels like he's just gonna will them to win it's 22 year old niche's uh underrated spot on the jeff merrick bingo card he loves loves that player and brings him up all the time i didn't know that god oh i missed i missed by serving man he would he would find a way to get some martin nietzsche's love in every episode he's been in the lead he's surprised

he's played in like four different parts of seasons over the over since he was 18 like he's he's been around but he's 22 and it was just an awesome game from him wow you're right oh so he only played one game 17 18 season that was probably yeah it was him coming over from the czech league after that season was done then he plays seven games next season hey scores his first nhl goal hooray his first nhl playoff action was last year four goals or sorry four points in eight games only one goal in this season he's almost a point a game in the playoffs he's a great player man great player great pickup the uh 12th overall pick although the next pick would have been pretty good too uh nick suzuki now he's okay oh yeah he's not so bad he's not so that's one of those

drafts where it's a little early to look at it and how good it was but holy shit nico he sure nolan patrick miro hayes can and kale mccarr leahs petterson cody glass leah sanderson casey middle scat middle stats sorry rasmussen tippett velarde niches suzuki gosh adam what are you going to do if nashville wins these next two games um look at the put on two headbands wide eyed embarrassment and i'll put on two headbands i'll wear two headbands the rest of the playoffs in in the on the steve dangle podcast there is no excuse for the canes to let the preds through zero none and no offense to the preds at this point i feel bad it's like i'm picking on them but it's not a great team guys all that every like it's just not like it's don't tell me it's

a good team it's not roman romaniosi still got it like yeah but romaniosi can't get their their shots up above 14 or 15 a night come on what was our old phrase clap shit bombs romaniosi can still clap shit bombs like a man adam your prediction is about to lay a lulu lemon oh it's fucking great shut up all right now we uh we're gonna switch our focus to the rest of the series islanders lightning and vegas could all advance tonight with a win who of the pens and this is for all three of us pens panthers or wild will stave off elimination or will it be all of them steve jesse your thoughts hey jesse you still looking forward to pens bruins i don't know what you do when you outplay a team for four what was it was it it wasn't double overtime i think it was

one overtime for four periods i think it was two i think it was a two okay for five five periods and then you can't get anything through and then josh bailey gets one scoring chance any score like that's that was the formula i laid out how the islanders win they stifle you for as long as they can and they get one scoring chance and josh bailey scores a goal and it's a feature not a bug it's uh it's very frustrating for anybody who's a pens fan out there um but the islanders might do it you know they might just keep playing this game and sorokin can just win them another two another one game and move on no offense to islanders fans but for for god's sakes please don't let this style of hockey win please god please god because you're gonna have 20 teams

that copy it and i just can't i just can't with this team islanders fans know their role in all this they do their their role in all this is to watch the most boring style in hockey and make it seemed like a metallica concert yeah that is true and national coliseum game six is going to be i forget how many fans they are but they sold out of tickets so it's going to be rocking in there so i don't know what to expect depends my god your prayers are too long and the other series the um the panther series that's the most fascinating thing to me just because of um uh spencer knight like okay so you you play the first four games and you split drieger and boborovsky you go down three one so quenvo's like all right let's throw in the the 20 year old who

was just in the world juniors playing the gold medal game okay you throw him in there he's your third goalie throw him in there he wins he stops all but one shot and saves your season like and then now he gets game six the 20 year old spencer and by the way this season spencer and i played in the world juniors in the gold medal game by the way who was the backup in the game can anybody name it the backup for the states for for night for spencer night who was the backup in the panthers game or in the world juniors oh in the world not in the world juniors in the panthers lightning trigger right yeah but that means the third goalie the third string goalie for the panthers yeah oh quenville is just like all right screw it this is this is the horse i'm running

with and that's now spencer knight is a starting goalie for florida panthers for the rest of the playoffs because how can you go away from the guy who stopped was it 36 to 37 shots unbelievable crazy storyline they signed bobrofsky the same like within weeks of drafting spencer knight yeah but they i don't think you could have expected spencer knight to be this good this fast no goal yes yes you could why'd you draft him freaking 13th overall okay two years it's been two years come on we don't crystal ball okay listen i don't know if they thought it was going to be this fast it wasn't going to take seven years i think they were hedging their bets yes as you do in sports i think they never know what shit bets no it's crap it's garbage so it's

garbage people at the time called it garbage put on your florida panthers gm hats you go into this let's say they lose the next one but spencer knight looks amazing again what do you do with the bob contract does florida lose a bunch of really good players and assets to an expansion team again i saw i think it was reese jessup who used to work for the panthers i believe he's one of the famed computer boys they were talking about how to get bob over to seattle and he's like i ask for 10 first round picks i'm not kidding no you gotta make them buy bob out oh i because okay you boys talk amongst yourselves let's go on all cap friendly here oh never mind i don't even have to do any work because it's the third name under popular buyouts who are the first two uh the first

two so here's our list i bet they're oilers oh wow so canucks fans are uh are providing a lot of clicks here because we got james neal louis erickson who's a canuck bobrovsky miko koskinen who's an oiler jake fortanen who's a canuck and juan russell who's a canuck jay beagle who's a canuck and braden holpe who's a canuck holy shit uh sergey bobrovsky uh what the hell i clicked his name where's the buyout calculator talk amongst yourself i'm gonna figure this out here's the thing you cannot give the panthers a pass on that unless you get 10 first round picks unless you get something stupid but you can't oh you can't you know you literally at all so you can't give them a pass no i'm i mean nobody could you could first off they're retaining

so like would you take a shot at bobrovsky at five million okay no this is a non-option guys It's a non-option. Why? So here are the cap hits. I'm going to go in chronological order by year. 5.8. Remember, this is for not a player. You know what you acquire?

Not a player. 5.8, 5.8, 6.8, 6.8, 6.8, 1.8, 1.8, 1.8, 1.8, 1.8. Was anyone keeping count? That's 10 years. Sorry, he's your goalie. Jesus. Sorry, you're going to have to keep him for a little bit. Unless you trade him to Edmonton or something and retain like 30%.

Listen, I don't think there's a team in this league dumb enough to do that. I just don't. Unless, I mean, well, what if you're Seattle and you get their first three or four picks? Like, honestly, we've seen what we've never seen in the NHL. Remember when Jared Goff was traded and it was like a ridiculous, like the pick that was going to be jared goff was traded that's the adam wild bingo card right there that's right and it was ridiculous and i was like this is dumb he turned out to be pretty good

but uh is that a jared goff jersey in the background by the way no it's sam bradford oh okay i love that you have a sam bradford jersey that's awesome let's go st louis rams come back one day god um the funny thing the funny thing about um about that is it like there was like 14 picks or something or some dumb number and it's like we're gonna give you a two firsts, two seconds, and 40 thirds. Like, I would love to see an NHL team do that and go, we have to get out of this. So what can we do?

And if you're Seattle, it's like, okay, you retain 5 million and we'll buy them out. So both teams are at a 50% at that point. And then that buyout's 3 million rather than, or two and a half million, 2.75 million rather than 5 million, 6 million. If I'm Seattle, I take that. If I'm starting a franchise and you're like,

okay Sergey Bobrovsky can be my starting goalie for my new franchise I'm like yeah I've retained money I'll do it so I've also with the buyout calculator on CapFriendly I've tried to set the buyout date to August 30th to try to make it as late as possible

to save as much as possible it doesn't take anything off right dude like okay what if it is at the what if it's August of next year it's still a non-option it's then it's five seven five six seven five six seven five six seven five one seven five one seven

five one seven five one seven five yo this guy's gonna be a panther for a long time we thought the same about david clarkson though we'll see we'll see it's true oh this is way worse okay now guys uh we're gonna move moving on here because again we're we're tight on time wayne or sorry oh i needed your i need your pick so we got to be quick about this pens panthers or wild which team staves off elimination do all of them to two of them to one of them what do you think pens pens stave off elimination so you're saying islanders pens islanders have done a good job but the pens have handed them at least two games that's true jesse where's is the is the game in minnesota tonight i believe it is yes yeah i think i think minnesota

wins one more and then they lose the next one and the pens win as well okay i think islanders are pens islanders and pens are going to game seven i also think spencer knight i'm a believer because playoff magic let's see the panthers and lightning go to game seven in the all florida matchup oh let's go that'd be great those two teams man there's gonna be nothing left who wins the alligator cup you know that i don't know is that the who wins the orange cup no no what else can we do about florida that we florida man the florida man florida man cup okay i wasn't trying to be disparaging in florida but okay i'm not being disparaging who wins the probably going to erode 50 of its landmass in the next 20 years cup i mean who knows right okay okay why was mine the

one that went too far i think i think tampa is too good to lose again i know but i want to believe i want to believe okay and i also think joel quinnville is a pretty damn good coach gretzky to join the tnt panel so yesterday he resigns as whatever the heck he was with the oilers which i had no idea he held such a position of esteem they have a staff of 400 x oilers that they just pay to be advisors like what does he advise no i mean also by the way we didn't talk about dave tippett but i now i believe the connection has to be the coyotes right gretzky tippett oilers coyotes what do you mean well dave tippett is head coach of the oilers because oh there's a lot of people and i think rightly so saying dave tippett's not maybe the guy for this team i just but we don't

need to get into that let's talk about gretzky okay not going into that okay sorry you're less about dave tippett let's talk about gretzky on the tnt panel now good exciting for wayne exciting for the sport that this is a big deal in the united states we had stephen a smith talking about hockey yesterday which i fucking loved that was great loved it and and then we've got gretzky on the tnt panel he's going to be i think eddie old chuck is going to join him um by any albert i think any albert that's right here's the thing with wayne that this isn't going to be popular way i have to get the extinguisher to put out this hot take that's wayne's a soft-spoken guy so if you're gonna have wayne on the panel you're gonna have to surround him with some bombast

is that fair is that a fair assessment i think he can yeah here jesse just let's just is that a hot take adam i'm trying to pour it on you is that hot it's a little bit hot i'm not guys Have you seen a Wayne Gretzky interview? Get out of here. No, Adam's right. What are you talking about? But I have faith. You said Conor McDavid's a bad leader,

and I'm just saying Wayne Gretzky's mild manner. What the fuck? Don't put words in my mouth. Double standard. Okay, so Jesse said McDavid should retire and play baseball. Yeah. But something like that. I'm not actually sure what you said.

but i have faith that tnt is smart enough that they're going to be like we have hired you for your name and you we're going to teach you how to yell and scream and give a shit he won't he will he never has you don't believe no well i'd never yell it's gonna be like both entertainment i hope they had fun that's what wayne's gonna do wayne is too no no you're so wrong i want to see okay you think tnt is gonna tolerate that right tnt it's because it's gretzky you nailed it they're paying for the name it doesn't mean i don't think wayne will have things to add but if you think wayne is going to sit on a panel like they do it's on you know football on fox on sunday mornings is it that's what colin uh like with the old steelers coach and like no way no way adam here

i'm gonna i'm gonna say something that should solve this whole debate i'm ready i am fairly certain i heard through the grapevine wayne gretzky and charles barkley are personal friends they are sick they use barkley convinced him to come over they're saying yeah there's no way he's gonna be uh like toaster commercial wayne gretzky right on tnt there's no way and if he is good boo but he won't what is that what are you gonna do to be clear i want wayne to succeed here i want that that would be really good that's not what you're saying that is not that is not not what i'm saying why do you hate hockey i don't i i'm just saying please give me a panel tnt that explodes out of my screen like your basketball

one does please that's all i'm asking for that also wasn't made overnight you know what i mean Well, Shaq and Charles are pretty bubbly. Yeah, they're pretty bubbly. I don't think it started with Shaq, though. I'm pretty sure. Shaq's a new addition. He is. Yeah, like Charles Barkley was on TV for years, I think, before Shaq.

If there's any place that's going to give Gretzky a place to flourish as a TV personality, it'll be TNT. Yeah. Come on. Come on. That's how their basketball program stays afloat. that's i mean you know they should maybe not get them into some of the bad habits that the basketball panel has not knowing players names falling asleep while watching the game things of

that nature but if they can get the entertainment value that you get out of the basketball panel he'll be just fine i want all i want out of this is something more casual than what we have up here right now because right now on these networks that i love dearly with all of my heart and i support by buying ignite tv and five internet you should talk my stream i'm gonna i'm gonna be so upset right now i i just because right now it's kind of it's so buttoned up hey okay we're gonna discuss this you go with this point and then you go with this point and then you go at that point and it seems like in the other sports like adam you're referencing howie and terry and the fun guys on fox and and michael strahan they they have more conversations and there's there's more

fun to be had in these other sports i hope that tnt with this new panel they find a way to bring more fun to hockey see that's all i want and i think gretzky should be able to do that and nashville fans back me up on this what you need is terry chris do you understand what terry chris is saying no but he's like the hockey's terry bradshaw and terry bradshaw's wild and you need you need an x factor guy you're like i don't know what the hell he's gonna say but he's like he reminds me of my uncle and i love him wayne's gonna be that guy i i hope so i hope i don't think so wayne's too well spoken for that um but it so all i am saying is i think wayne's a great addition number one number two i'm hoping for an explosive fun panel please be that please just needle him

yeah wayne welcome to the panel uh happy to have you for our first segment first question why are the Oilers ass and how much of it is your fault? Hey, just interesting. Hey, Wayne, quick question for you. How many cups did you win without Messier? And how many did he win without you? Oh, sorry. But by the way, you don't have to answer that. Here to answer it is our special guest, Mark Messier, who we're going to bring out right now. It's going to be like,

this is your life. Yeah. Anyway, I'm excited to see these panels kind of coming together. very very interesting um weird weird question um can you guys see a world where claude geroux is an ottawa senator i i beg your aggressive pardon what why i've never heard this interestingly um ian mendez wrote an article a couple of days ago for the athletic talking about how um basically uh that that potentially that could happen uh he said we're going to explore the possibility of claude geroux being a fit with the senators the flyers superstar's name is suddenly appearing on sen's twitter and message boards with an increasing frequency over the past few weeks

and so they do talk he goes into it and talks about it and i think you should they are basically um charlie o'connor who is the flyers beat reporter via athletics said it's difficult to see for me to see the Flyers trading Giroux this offseason there are definitely sections of the fan base who want the front office to embark on a full-scale rebuild I don't get the sense that which that's what Chuck Fletcher is planning to do um but he's still a very good player still the team's captain is and I don't mean to bring this up as Claude Giroux specifically but is Ottawa a really good place for guys who maybe do need a change of scenery I'm not no I'm not saying the Claude Giroux necessarily does and maybe make a little too much you know what

don't produce at a high clip but you think about it's like okay so if Eugene is actually opening his wallet why couldn't you take on a contract like that that seems like a good thing to have especially with a bunch of young players we're talking about Connor McDavid and the leadership and with the way the Sens played in the last half of the season had they played like that from the beginning of the season they'd be in the playoffs and not montreal you know what i'm looking at the sins right now it's actually not that dumb of an idea i don't think they would have to give up a ton of assets to do it the flyers i think would be happy to free up the cap space yep so it's 8.275 against the cap next year he makes 7.2 that's gonna hurt eugene that's gonna hurt his

feelings the next year it's five five million bucks in actual cash or what the Sens could do is they could pay his one million dollar signing bonus then trade him and another team picks up the additional four this could be a thing this could be a thing and he's not he's certainly not worth his money nearly 8.3 not even close but he had 46 points followed by I think he was low 50s and you could get them for you would think probably very little because the flyers would want just to free up the cap space so it's not like it'll cost you a ton asset wise i wonder i wonder if the sins would part with picks because they had a ton in this past draft they have uh i mean they have their own firsts for each of the next three years i doubt that's involved but

their second rounders they got theirs in san jose's this year theirs in tampa's the next year They also got a third from Boston in 2022. You know what? Someone in the chat yesterday said Eichel, and I'm like, you calm down. That's enough. To the Sens? Yeah.

You switched the cap right now. Yes, it is. Claude Giroux, I got to tell you, it makes some sense. And it would fit with where the Senators are going and the type of team they want to play. The game he likes to play. Like, I feel like those 46 points would probably go up with the Senators, wouldn't you?

he get every opportunity to do everything well they can definitely score and if you want someone to teach brady kachuk how to be more of an asshole uh he certainly will he certainly will not a not a nice man when he hits the ice that's right drew so i just i thought i'd bring it up i'm not saying it necessarily has to be jeru but it's an interesting prospect and quickly one quick thing to keep an eye on eric francis had this for sportsnet the flames need to sign Johnny Goudreau or trade him before July 28th. Now, he's got a year left on his deal. However, he has a modified no trade clause. And this is a really smart move by whoever his agent is, because the modified no trade clause in the last year of his contract stipulates that he can only

be traded to five teams. So as soon as free agency, which is July 28th this year, hits, if that's the date we're working with anyway, Johnny Goudreau basically says to the Flames, re-sign me or trade me at well below market value to the team I want to go to. That's basically what happens. So it's going to be interesting to see Calgary, if they're keeping Brad Trilliving, and Steve, you mentioned this last episode, it's like the bar for general managers in Canada is relatively low because Trilliving has been there for a long time and we haven't seen a whole lot of success in Calgary. If they are keeping Goudreau, the time to trade him would be now the time to sign him would be now what do you think they're

more likely to do because they do need to make changes in calgary trade i uh you know i'm you know i'm a big fan obviously it we're in the media and everything changes you know helps generate clicks and all that shit but you know we were saying with patrick liney stop putting your fan base through this make a decision make a decision and they made a decision and it helped them get dubois into the lineup sooner and now look at the jets here they are in the second round of the class flames need to make a decision here enough of the years of talking about will they won't they make a decision here goudreau's agent by the way is uh the same as william neilander lewis gross oh so the agent good agent good agent um loves love signing players your uncle hates lastly a

ton of uh ton of people reached out and asked if we're going to talk about the ron mclean situation We are not going to talk about it, but I will read you the apology that he wrote. I was about to say, because that was just posted and I didn't read it. Rather than us talk about it, let's talk about what Ron has to say about it and leave you to draw your own conclusions. Because honestly, I'm just reading this for like the first time and it's tough for me to break it down on the fly. So here we go. First and foremost, I regret and apologize for what happened last night. Early in the show, we had a fun moment featuring a photograph of our colleague Anthony Stewart enjoying a rum party, but that photo, along with a few others, sat on the shelf of Kevin

BX's set for the remainder of the night. In the second intermission, when Kevin quipped that he was the most positive person on our panel, I directed viewers to that photo using the quote tarp off, i.e. shirtless, to specify the picture with the rum bottle and quibbed, you'll be testing positive for something. I meant the rum. um i understand that when others are within earshot of a two-way conversation the potential for a misunderstanding exists if you only heard the last line in isolation i completely understand how that misunderstanding occurred i am deeply sorry the idea of language the idea of language

of intention of personal responsibility i have seen those concepts used as broad exoneration it's not enough we have to uh we have a contract with you the viewer that uh in us you see yourself I've reached out to several guiding lights in the equity-seeking arena, my allies in the LGBTQ2S plus community, and to my co-workers to receive their wisdom and continue our joint effort to tend to the hearts of us all. I appreciate the power of the voices who spoke to me last night and this morning. It provides a sense of responsibility. It's how change works.

so last night uh during the stream i only saw like a few like allusions to ron said something and afterwards i i checked out the clip and i understood why that interpretation existed but i mean i also i mean the main feeling i had was i don't understand what the hell he was trying to say and i think you're on tv that often you're going to screw it up i i all the anthony stewart rum party stuff i didn't see any of that all i saw was the clip all i saw was the clip um i'm gonna take his word for it on this i assume he's gonna address it tonight on the broadcast um yeah i was just very confused i was very confused by it all and i had no doubt he was going to clear it up. Yeah. So with that, I want to digest that and then digest whatever is said

tonight, because you probably right off the top, you'd think something's going to be said. So be interesting to see what happens. But let's get into the press conference real quick here. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself, friends, and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research. Together, we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer. Register today at pmcfwalk.ca. When West Jaffers took flight in 1996, the vibes were a bit different. People thought denim on denim was peak fashion, inline skates were everywhere,

and two out of three women rocked the Rachel. While those things stayed in the 90s, one thing that hasn't is that fuzzy feeling you get when WestJet welcomes you on board. Here's to WestJetting since 96. Travel back in time with us and actually travel with us at WestJet.com slash 30 years. The Presser SDP. The Steve Dangle Press Conference. And just one thing before we get into it. It's not, all right, and now everything's fine. It's not my apology to accept no exactly good point great way to put that yeah well i got a little help thanks rob anyway who is do we need to know who rob is uh robert malloy i just saw a tweet i just saw a tweet i sorry i didn't think it was necessary but apparently it was my bad

all right so i want to um let emma sponsor this uh pod the press conference here today Emma made a donation and she had this little write up for the segment. She said Emma and Cheyenne are sponsoring this segment for their friend Teresa, an amazing, wonderful and every kind of positive adjective friend who celebrates her birthday this week, as well as all the hardworking she does as a child psychologist for the NHS. Teresa manages to keep up the beloved weekly tradition of staying up late to watch Saturday and nightleafs games with her friends who love her despite the fact that she also likes

the Canucks and Flyers. She has made this pandemic a little brighter for everyone she knows and she deserves the best birthday of manageable. They made a donation to Down Syndrome Ireland as Teresa was born and raised in Ireland and Sick Kids in her name. So there you go.

Shout out, Teresa. Good job. First question comes from Leafan 19858. i listen to the podcast regularly but i am a fairly new listener how long have you guys been doing the podcast for now i think this is a fun question to re-up the beginnings of this podcast for anybody who is just coming to it this is season eight so no yeah we started it we started may 31st 2013 so we're about five days away here from eight years we were we were in the middle of

talking about how can sydney crosby chris letang and jerome mcginla get past the boston bruins steve actually i remember in our first episode said because it was the third round of the playoffs at that point yeah he said you know just lost three one if the leafs had if the leafs had beaten boston he said there was a pretty clear path to the western or eastern conference finals that's something you said i remember because they were they had played the rangers really well and that too they would have played in the second round and they also the penguins usually got the better of them but they really gave them shit they played a lot of close games they would have gotten murdered by the black hawks murdered but it would have been fun

yeah so yeah eight years um it's crazy that it's gone by this fast too eight years couldn't imagine eight years back then this is when steve and i had time to go out after the podcast and get drunk during the middle of the week drunk during you get drunk on the podcast we did a couple drunk podcasts too yeah we uploaded a 30 second episode after canada won gold and sochi just going like we just uploaded that and then we recorded an actual episode just a bunch of absolute dipshits yeah boy there were some uh there were some takes there were takes oh oh again like being young and online it's horrible yeah uh it's terrible but i see 14 year olds like you know making really heartfelt takes on twitter i'm like oh one day you're gonna

be twice your age and you're gonna hate it and like you know what i mean trust me one day you'll be like me it'll happen to you too i mean listen hopefully you too will regret shit that you said on the internet eight years ago there you go you should not and i say this with no offense to any teenagers listening to the show you should not be in your 30s look back at yourself at 16 and go i was a goddamn genius for for a very small percentage of humanity that's the case it's probably not you no offense yeah i know it certainly wasn't me jesse next question this one comes from Kyle Tomlin on Twitter most unsung player on the Leafs right now who do you guys think hmm Adam you're up first no god I'm gonna say Zach Bogosian really like the way he's played

steady uh the one thing the Leafs had uh had have never had is a steady presence on the third pair of d and it's really nice to have and uh not every team gets that uh god the hawks won the cup with kemo team and then at the end of kemo team in his career playing him like four minutes a night so it's nice to have every time it goes out there i'm like nothing's nothing's gonna happen like it's safe shit's gonna happen he's not noticeable which is awesome yeah kemo team in his career ended april 2013 the problem was they didn't win the cup until june right right yeah duncan keith something else um on the back end i'm gonna give it to tj brody because with bogosian we're always like man unsung hero because he's because we don't expect it whereas tj brody has just

slid in there were at times this season you could have forgot he was on the team like he just slid in and was this steady awesome presence up front um because william neilander is is the toast of the town right now i'm gonna say alexander kerfoot um guys just come in into an impossible situation where the leafs went all right we now have our ideal lineup and you're not even a center there alex you're on the wing and then wham a bunch of different things happen and you're our second line center now you're our second most important center anyway have fun there alex and here's the fun thing he is he's killing penalties i believe he's on the second power play unit he's contributing at five on five he's being counted on uh in key defensive situations at five

on five he's doing everything he's doing everything uh and you know what he is most importantly not suspended the catcher trade was a good trade i wasn't referring to that no okay next last question jesse uh last question i thought this was a a fun little little question here this is from pond whistle when was the last time anyone commented on the new helmet ads maybe they weren't as distracting as people were claiming they'd be remember when we spent like half an hour talking the world down on these stupid helmet ads and you wouldn't even think about them in a week and then now we haven't even addressed them all season long like i just i just can't imagine seeing the little scotia bank like the the literally two inch tall scotia bank sticker and just go what

happened to my sport can if i wear headbands long enough will the same happen to me probably man yeah what happened what happened to my podcast host forehead it's it's it's it is funny how triggered people get when anything changes look like look wise it's just these masculine guys coming out of nowhere going you changed a thing and i don't like it and i'm going to comment i'm going to be internet angry about it and it's funny that that you would want you wouldn't want the sport to make more money it's weird that you wouldn't want that sport to make more money because you know more money is a good thing means more good things happen for you the fan experience gets better players make more money if the owners make more money so i don't understand

what the bad thing here is yeah it's really it's really and if you're a canadian's fan does the bell ad bother you any more than the bell center right yeah the ice is covered in ads the boards are covered in ads most arenas have holographic commercials plastered onto the back of the net uh the the glass behind the net but a wee little sticker that you could get out of a out of a gumball machine, and the whole world shuts down. Everyone chill. I don't need to tell you to chill. You already have.

Replace the Montreal Canadiens logo with a Michelin tire on the front of the jersey, and I'll get used to it. I don't care. Play hockey. Go full European football, or football in the rest of the world. They shouldn't even say European.

I'll cheer for Team Jeep. Or Team Vitaphone. I don't care. Dude, when I was in high school, I bought a Manchester United jersey not knowing a single player on that team and not knowing what Vodafone was. Right.

That's my team. That's my team because I play FIFA 2001. There it is. I should have got a Juventus jersey. Filippo Inzaghi and all that shit. I had a Juventus jersey, I think, without any ads on it because I had it so long ago. Wow.

I had an Alessandro Del Piero jersey. in late 90s back when there was integrity in the sports i i do i do people like oh it's all just about the money and as i always say to people when has it not been about the money yeah i assume you like getting paid for your job yeah well i also look at this like like if you if you go back to the 50s when the nhlpa game began with ted lindsey um look at how much pushback he got from the owners why because it was about money it's always been about money that's the whole point owning sports team it's prestige and money that's what these guys want so that's how to make money enjoy your sport relax there are trust me

there are so many things worth getting upset about not this is this is how evolution works someone goes hey i have an idea and someone else goes let me stop you right there i'd like to end the show on a really good note uh john tavaris was at the practice facility today according to sheldon keith and he just put out a statement i'm just trying to dig it up right now um if you would like me to read it out do you guys want me to it like just came out five minutes ago the support i have felt during the past week is truly overwhelming we cannot express our gratitude to all of you who have come out to support our foundation and help us lead change in the communities we serve to keep the positive momentum going uh the maple uh for the maple east playoff run we will personally

match every donation up to 50 grand to further support our great partners halton food for thought rexdale youth mentorship and special olympics canada we look forward to working closely with these amazing organizations to positively impact the lives of children in need creating a future filled with possibilities uh knowing every child feels emotionally supported with the tools and the chance to choose their own dream that is uh from uh john and his wife so that's pretty cool it's nice that that tavaris was walking around at the practice facility today very cool love my captain all right and with that we're back in a couple days so we could have we could have the first round potentially wrapped up completely when we're back on friday could be over

or the leafs and halves will be the only thing to watch for like five days they're gonna start the second round without us man come on they don't give a shit about canada i hate it and it's in five leafs in five six or seven what's your prediction five my hope is five jesse let's go with five all right let's hope five we will see you friday whether it's five or six or seven we love you bye-bye the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete