The Steve Dangle Podcast - Clear the Track, Here Comes Shack | December 5, 2019

Episode Date: December 5, 2019

The Steve Dangle Podcast talks to Eddie Shack and Ken Reid about their book, EDDIE SHACK: HOCKEY'S MOST ENTERTAINING STORIES WITH KEN REID. Find it at Chapters here: https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/eddie-shack-hockeys-most-entertaining/9781999209803-item.html?ikwsec=Books&ikwidx=0 Originally aired: December 4, 2019 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/g0CXEqFkw2c Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Okay, so I didn't think in my entire career that I would be like, oh no, I've been, I'm late for Eddie Shaq, but Steve forgot that they, that Ken Reed and Eddie Shaq coming in and oh my god yeah it's so so great to have kenry back so great to welcome eddie shack to the show thank you so much for coming in eddie well can i sing my song did you have one clear the track here comes shack he knocks him down and he gives him a whack he scores goals he's got the neck eddie eddie shack he started the year in the minors he used to send me down for two weeks for misbehaving really i we're in vermont and we're having an nhl tournament and they send two players to every team to play playing golf to play golf and i'm playing with gordy howe oh i'm playing

with gordy howe but i knocked him out twice and i knocked out stan makita once and i reggie fleming right so now we're playing golf uh-huh and we're just having some fun and everything else and i still have another two berg two berg was the most expensive beer at that time and then nhl is paying for it so where's oh like hello dolly right yeah so after the thing we're half in the bag now and now we go down and we're having steak and gordy's on the far side and i'm over here and gordy says to me, hey, Shacky, who's the greatest? Clear that, no, no, he sang

his song. Who's the greatest of them all? Gordie Howe, right? So I said, well, I better sing mine, eh? So I sang mine. He knocks them down and gives them a whack. He said, that's what I want to talk to you about. You don't hit me, and I won't hit you. I said, Gordie, that's a good deal. Let's shake on that one.

And they never hit each other the rest of their NHL careers. Really? Ever? So Eddie's song was number one on the Chum Charts, which was jump radio yep 1966 eddie you were ahead of the beach boys yeah i went that nancy sinatra i beat out nancy sinatra hello dolly when you turn the radio on in the car right you'd hear your song eh and it was number one eh and then there was there was other ones that i beat too but i didn't nancy sinatra these boots were made and i always wore cowboy boots eh oh wow your boots weren't made for walking they're made for something else hello dolly that is that is i mean it's it's such

a it's such a wild how did that song even come together like who who did that who put that together brian mcfarland eh and then it was number one and uh ballard that he didn't give me any money for that for the song right and i didn't really like who cared right when it was on the radio and was number one and then that was fantastic but ballard kicked him out because he didn't give me any money i didn't get one i owed him but but that's what the olden days that's what happened and then johnny sang honky honky the christmas goose and he's johnny saying it hey like mine mine is my voice is so bad that it's scary right but johnny sang honky honky the christmas goose he was so fat that he was no use i i try to explain exactly how big the leafs are in this

city you had a number one song eddie and johnny bauer had a christmas album yeah oh yeah that's just unbelievable right and johnny and johnny used to sing it too yeah and like johnny would go anywhere right if you asked him to go like he he's there he'd be signing and everything else Johnny was a fantastic individual. Yeah. Wow. So, you know, it's funny because, and Ken, you're so good at this. You're so good at finding great stories about hockey.

Well, Eddie's good at telling them. This was an easy book. Well, I was just going to say, so how does this all come together? By the way, we even shouted out the book. What's it called? Where can we find it? The book is called Eddie Shaq, Hockey's Most Entertaining Stories. Available now at Chapters Indigo, Amazon.ca,

Amazon.ca and FrameWorth.com. Hello, Domi. Hello, Domi. If you order off FrameWorth.com, there's a really good chance Eddie signed it. But Amazon.ca, FrameWorth.com, Chapters Indigo. It's a fantastic book. And the book came about because Brian Aronworth, who runs FrameWorth, called me one day. He said, you want to write a book with Eddie Shack?

Eddie's got the best stories. He's always hanging around my shop. I said, sure, I'll write a book with Eddie Shack. Let's do it next year. I'm working on a book right now. He goes, no, no, no. I need it for this Christmas. Whoa.

Give me a couple weeks. So then in the playoffs, I went and met with Eddie, and he's just literally, we sat down and started talking stories. So we'd meet at Frameworth, at Eddie's house, in Eddie's garage, at the restaurant you go to. What's it called? The Deli? Pinscher's?

Yeah. Pinscher's Deli. And literally like this. And I'd be in tears. We'd have the recorder out, and Eddie would just tell stories. And I'd say a name. I'd go, ever run into Stan Makeda? And Eddie would say about Stan Makeda, knock him out.

Beat the living tar out of him one time. No, but now it started, eh? to get along with ken he's pretty easy to get along with and then you can have a few laughs he's not that serious of an individual yeah and then when i went to halifax they love you there oh my god you're bigger than big there oh i am to halifax with steve dangle is to the durham region huge huge but getting along with eddie i mean we're both we both love to laugh we both love to talk we both love talking to people so it was i don't want to say it was easy but it wasn't as as hard as grade nine math like we got along we eddie just told stories and we literally would

just sit and talk we didn't go through season by season or goal by goal because i believe that people love hockey for stories no no old players sit around and say remember the time i scored the goal no they sit around and tell stories about their teammate about themselves and that's what eddie does so well he's i mean he's the entertainer all i had to do was record it and type it it was pretty fun i'm uh i'm a illiterate i say that pretty good hey you do are you yeah and he can't read or write yep get out of town i had no idea i've never written out a checker i never read like paul rimstead he used to to read everything to me eh paul rimstead he he worked with the yeah he was my buddy he was from sudbury and and well timmy horton was from sudbury and then

george armstrong there were so many hockey players i lived right across the road beside Timmy but it was unbelievable how many people are from Sudbury and that's where they grow potatoes

the only way they get them out they blast them what do you say about Sudbury only two types of people come from Sudbury no no we can't say that

ok that one's in the book but I guess the underlying theme in the book is Eddie's a guy that can't read or write but yet took the qualities

that he did have and as a hockey player and as a guy with an outstanding personality and turned himself into this character And as some of the boys in the book say, because we have contributions from Wayne Gretzky, Phil Esposito, George Armstrong, who doesn't give interviews, former Leafs captain, Jack Felicat, Bobby Hall,

and as one of the boys in the book says, you know, Eddie, can't write, but he sure can count. One million, two million, three million, four million. Well, I was lucky. I like property, and I had a bar called the Hail Billy Shack, and that was a while in Orangeville, and i had a bar in guelph and i had donut places but i had bad partners then i owned the golf course and then that was really great and it was you did well on the game yeah the golf course well i had two partners and having two partners that they they would give me the gas money right for for my cars that's for using the name eh so they took the name down and then after

They took the name down, and then it was Vaughn Valley. They named it Vaughn Valley. So when I used to pick up the phone, I'd say, Vomit Valley. So the golf course is where Canada's Wonderland is now about? No, 27 and Rutherford. Right, right there, yeah. Yeah, Canada's Wonderland is at 400. What'd you sell the golf course for, Eddie?

$15 million. Hello, hello, Dolly. Thank you. Wow. After that, I told a few people to go and stick it in their crease. if i didn't like anyone i just told him right and my dad used to say don't behave yourself be yourself and i gotta ask you you know you you came up in a in a generation when i mean the nhlpa would have been in minutes i mean what it would not have formed yet it didn't even exist didn't

exist would have been right around the time that lindsey was kind of agitating for it you you had owners that were actively trying to pay you guys as little as possible the guy like you you come in you're such a big personality harold ballard big personality how did he react to having some competition for the spotlight well that when when i played that like we made 7500 and then you know the kids say was that a day or a week no that was for the year and then we used to play ball and golf tournaments and yeah we had a lot of fun in the summertime too and and we did a little bit of drinking too that's one thing what does a little bit mean yeah i remember oh my god being sick eh oh my i'll never drink again but but we still went at it again so you that way it would shot

like i guess what i'm getting at is that like you've got you've got to sign these contracts every year and and you just said yourself you're illiterate yeah and that that's one of that's got to be scary and the way they the way they portray it like jack adams used to just say here's your contract, sign it or get out, right? And so for you, you walk in there, you're a huge player, a huge personality in the community. What were those meetings like, and what was behind the scenes at the Leafs like? I would just trust somebody and just work it the best way that you could,

you know what I mean? Because you liked hockey, and it didn't matter, you know, whatever happens, it happens, you know what I mean? Like I was a butcher in Sudbury working for Raines Meat Market. and I worked for Dominion Stores. I had my license when I was 13 because I was driving truck all the time and I was a big guy.

Lost it at 13 and a half. Yeah, well, at Dominion Stores, we had the Wednesday afternoon off. That's what they used to have. Then we'd go to the bar and have a few cocktails. At 13. Oh, my God.

But they didn't, like in Sudbury, you go ahead, you know what I mean? It didn't really. and then I went for I had a 38 Dodge and this guy had a 41 Plymouth so now he said my car is faster

my car is just as fast as your car my car would go 87 miles an hour I knew how fast it would go so now after a few cocktails we go highway 17 and all of a sudden now we're racing

you know what I mean and now he passes me and he goes in he won the race so he there's a hot dog stand on highway 17 that he went in and i look in my mirror my rear view mirror and a cop is there a cop is he caught us you know what i mean 87 so i was going to go straight but the guy that i was with emmo lavare he said no no go and he'll probably let you off because you know what i mean you're a nice guy and that. If they didn't charge me for racing and speeding, it was like $60 and then I lost my

license for six months. Got it back at 14. But my mother was worried to death because, you know what I mean, I wasn't old enough to have a license and then when I got a little bit older, then I started marking my

name. You have a nice signature. Eddie has a really nice signature. Seriously. Nice signature hat there. Yeah. Nice signature. Yeah, and then Bobby Hall's there, too, and then... Gretzky.

Gretzky, yeah. Oh, wow. So Eddie gets the hat signed. I love this story. Eddie tells this story in the book. He always gets his cowboy hat signed, and then he sells them off. So Eddie goes up to Bobby Orr, and he says, Bobby, can you sign my cowboy hat? Bobby goes, what are you going to do with it?

Eddie sells it. He goes, of course. What do you think I am, stupid? We had to auction it off. We got 100, 200, 300, 400, sold, sold to this curly guy. And you played in like the era of legends like to us some of the guys that you played against Would have been we're gods you mentioned Bobby or knocked him out. No, you didn't knock out Bobby John Beliveau

Maurice Richard Henri Richard you played with some ledger George Armstrong Frank maha village guys like that Yeah, yeah Can we just run through some of the lit and you could just tell us what you know? Because I would just love to hear about these guys when you when you line up against a John Beliveau John Beliveau like he is a great guy like a real real gentleman like he wasn't a phony bugger like John Ferguson you know what I mean he was a bastard you know what I mean that you didn't want to do you mean John Ferguson former general manager of the Leafs no his dad oh his dad these guys are young oh that's junior yeah that's right that's right okay so with big John eh I hit

him he went down right so i said john i'm sorry i'm sorry john i didn't mean that right so now the third period comes around christ he's got his head down again so i give him another little pop right he falls down i said i'm sorry john i'm sorry so now we're going through the airport and he sees me he says heady i look up hi john how come you hit me like that all the time and you say you're sorry I said John

sometimes I lie that's awesome I'm just going to throw in what was what was George Armstrong like

he's like the silent the silent captain we don't hear from him much we don't know the stories

that we should know about him he was a fantastic guy like when I couldn't read or write I'd go to

like on the on the train right you'd have to write down your what you're going to have to

eat right And as soon as George would come, I'd sit beside George, and I said, same thing you're having, George. And then he would write it out for me, you know what I mean? But he was in good shape, and just like a hard-working individual, you know what I mean? And he still is, but he won't sign any autographs. No. But he'll sign for me, though.

And he contributed to the book, which was amazing. To have George Armstrong call you is wacky, it's nuts, it was great. Was that intimidating? No, no, it was thrilling. That would have freaked me right out. It wasn't intimidating because I knew he was calling to talk about Eddie, right? It wasn't like I had to call him and pester him. So Eddie lined it up.

It was great. It was fun. Because he's, I don't know if he's still there, but he was, I think, I want to say he was a scout with the Mississauga Steelheads. George? Yeah, when I was the in-arena host. And he was super friendly and cool and everything. Yeah, yeah.

He coached the Junior A teams. Wow. He coached, and he was a good coach in that. And you'd think that, you know what I mean, he would coach the… Progress, right? Yeah. But maybe he didn't want it. I didn't know.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's private. Yeah. Yeah, he seems that way. So, just again, running through the list, Frank Mihaljevic, what was he like? A great guy. Like, a real, real good individual.

Like, he didn't… He wasn't crazy on the ice. he did is sort of boring, sort of. You know what I mean? Scored a bunch of points and that sort of thing. Good politician, then.

He also contributed to the book. You would have made a good senator, Ed. I would have. Yeah, you'd have been a great senator. Because Frank's now

a senator, is he not? He was. He was. I'll get you one. Eddie's final year junior. Eddie finished second in the OJ in scoring, 18 points ahead

of the guy who finished third, and that guy's name was Frank Mihaljevic. Wow. This man was one top-notch junior prospect back in the day.

And at that time, playing junior for the Guelph-Biltmores, you'd think New York would call you up, you know what I mean, to play against the Toronto Maple Leafs

and New York Rangers, you know what I mean? And it's like 60 miles, you know what I mean? And Phil Watts... Phil Watts and the Rangers coach. And I, you know what I mean, all of a sudden,

I said, what the hell? I hated him, you know what I mean? And you've got to watch what you say about coaches, but he's dead now, so I don't have to worry. Actually, I don't know

I don't know if you do need to watch what you say about coaches right now. That's true. But you didn't like it, but you did get, I mean, I'm looking at your stat line here. So, 58, you played 67 games for the Rangers. Yeah. And he was the coach. He was the coach. So he must have liked you a little bit.

No, he wanted me to be a defensive player. This man's a sniper, man. You've got to let Eddie fly. You've seen him skate. Yeah. I had fun playing hockey. And, like, the money was not, it wasn't there. You know, you worked hard.

You know what I mean? I mean, I had my license when I was 13. I lost it when I was 14. You know, I did, you know what I mean, whatever I wanted to do, I did it. And I did some crazy things on the ice. I used to do the twirl, right? We'd come first star. That was great.

I liked, you know what I mean, to do some. Figure skating move. Eddie was the original Battle of the Blades. He'd get first star and he'd do the figure skating move. Eddie, do you remember your first game? No, no, no, no, I don't like my first fight was with Bobby Hall, you know what I mean? That's funny, Bobby Hall, like that was expected of guys like that back then. Yeah, well, he played for St. Catharines and I knew him at that, like we're near the same age, right?

And then we got along really great after, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, there was certain things. Who won? I think we're just, you know, back and forth. I don't even think we got our hands on it. It sounds like any one. Any one, for sure.

Eddie, what's that in your hand? Oh, these are Stanley cups. This one here, take a look at it. I will gladly take a look at it. At that time, they'd only give you one ring, and they would take it back and make the year 62, right? They'd put 62 on it, and they'd give you half a carat. Then you went in 63, they take the ring back, put 63, and put a quarter of a carat.

And then you went into 64, they do the same thing. Wow. But then they felt bad, and then they gave us the next swing. They gave us the ring 62. This is 62. Look at that one. Is that the 67? Eddie, is that the 67 or the 62?

That one, that's the 67, the first one. And then that's right on the side. It's got 62 in the sky. This one's 62. What would the 67 ring be worth? Oh. But you should see the rings now they make. They're humongous.

At least you can wear those ones around. I don't know why you can wear them around. The rapper's one, you can't. It's just so big. It's like having a juice box on your finger. Yeah, it's huge. It's huge. See, like, when Ballard, like, he'd be looking after the nickels and dimes.

You know, he wouldn't spend the money, right? And, like, Ballard would be, you know, like, the tickets, right? He'd get 100 tickets, and he'd get somebody to sell them, and then he would get the money. He'd scalp them outside gardens. He scalped his own tickets? The owner would scalp his own tickets. Get out. Good business, eh, Eddie?

Yeah, that's good thinking, though, right? I guess. But we're talking about Ballard, that he didn't, like the names, he didn't want to put the names on the sweaters, because he couldn't sell the programs. Right. So then the sweaters came with your name on the back of it. Right. And then, like, there's no programs, eh? Right, because they didn't know who the player was.

Right, right. My favorite Ballard story is the time the Beatles came, and they were going to play one show. He advertised two. And so they said, okay, we'll play the second show on the same night. Then he shut off the water fountains, and it was in the middle of the summer, and jacked up the price of soda and made a fortune off selling soda to kids at the Beatles concert two times in a row in the same day.

That is extremely believable. Yeah. I think you missed the second part of the jersey story, though. Oh. So they forced him to put the names on the back of the jerseys. So what he did was he made the letters the same color as the jersey. Wow. So he could still sell the programs.

Yeah. Wow. Greasy. Wow. I'm going to give you your brain back, sir. Did you like them? Oh, yeah. I wanted to come back to Toronto because I had the golf course and that.

And I said to Ballard, here's the contract. I'll just sign it and put whatever you want on it, right? So I came back. I played a couple of years there. I went down to, but. Oklahoma City. Yeah, Oklahoma. What happened at the pool in Oklahoma City, Eddie?

In the hotel, anything? Wow. We'll leave it at that. You have to buy the book. Yeah, there was Connie Smythe. Yeah, we'll leave it at that. Yeah, we're going to leave it at the book? You got to buy the book.

You got to buy the book to find out what happened at the pool. Eddie, who was the best player you played with? Okay, I played with a lot of great guys. Yes. So nobody's going to be offended here, but the top of the top, you did play with some incredible players. I played with Bobby, played with Frank, played with, you know what I mean? Red Leonard Kelly.

No kidding. He was unbelievable. He was, you know how behind the net there's always four or five guys? Just send Leonard all by himself, and he'll have that puck out to you. Wow. The original Zach Hyman. I was about to say. Yeah.

And then, like, say he was on four Stanley Cups with the Detroit, and then he was on four with Toronto, right? And he was a great guy. Like, he never swore. The worst word that he would say was, son of a biscuit box. You know what I mean? Or stick it in your crease. You know what I mean?

So wholesome. So nice. Maybe he wanted to balance out between you and him. Yeah. You said this many, he said that many. But when he coached, I wish that him and I would have been together. You know how they got how many coaches now? I wish that I was with him because I think we would have done really, really great

because I could have entertained the players and get them to have some fun, get them to shoot the puck from the blue line, and now the goaltenders, they're going to go down. And then when Johnny would be standing up straight, If a goal would go on the short side, Bauer, it's a minor league goal. You're going down, Bauer. There's one story in the book when Eddie's playing for Pittsburgh and Red Kelly's his coach, and it just shows you how different things were back then.

Eddie has a party at his house, gets, what, half in the bag, as you'd say, Eddie? Yeah, yeah. And then goes to Red Kelly's house and passes out on his couch, and Red Kelly covers him up for the night, and it's all good. There was a dog. I had a dog. I brought my dog with me. And then Leonard wants to put a pillow underneath my head, and the dog wouldn't let him touch me. But the days then, the coach was your buddy.

You know what I mean? You didn't have to worry about being half in a bag and going over. You know what I mean? But that's the way we were. We played, and we had fun, and we worked hard. There was no such thing as 100,000. There was like, you know what I mean? You worked, you know what I mean, and you played with six teams,

and it was fantastic to play like that. You know what I mean? And you did the train, you did the buses, you know what I mean? A lot of long hours. Yeah. What's the hallmark of a good coach to you? A good coach to me, he's got to know when to play the player. If a guy's going good, play him, like Leonard with Sittler.

or when he got 10 points, off and on. You've got to play the players, you know what I mean? You've got to shoot the puck, you know what I mean? And the players now, they wanted everything perfect. They're in better shape than we were, but they want to do it so perfect, you know what I mean? There's a lot of goals that go in, and they're from center ice, they're from the blue line.

You see them slapping the puck, like when CCM had, they had a straight stick, And then, what was the other one? Northland? Northland, and then shops. Louisville? Louisville, whatever it is. Then they had the nice hooks, and then you can really let her go.

Yeah. And then it would dip and dive. But that's what I think about coaching. If a guy's going good, play the guy. You know what I mean? They'd always, like with me, two weeks for misbehaving, I got sent down. You know what I mean? To Eddie Shore in Springfield.

And I played with Don Cherry. Yeah. I played with him in Springfield. And then I liked it so much that I said, I'm staying here. And I didn't want to go to New York, eh? The Rangers tried to call Eddie back, and he said, no, staying with Eddie Shore. What would Eddie do? Eddie Shore would have longer intermissions so he could sell more drinks and hot dogs?

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Wow. If Flair wasn't playing right, you'd have to clean the seats or work up, you know what I mean? But we did that. Yeah, players would sell popcorn if they were healthy scratches. Yeah. Okay, did Eddie Shore actually call Don Cherry Madagascar?

Don Cherry, like, he was not great of a hockey player. No? No. And he knows that, you know what I mean? And then his wife says, well, dress up like a clown, act like a village idiot, and then be a announcer, and that's what he did. Jeez. And now he's 85 years old, right?

And why didn't he say, I'm sorry, right? Or he would have been still in Springfield, right? Can you imagine him in Springfield still? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. Were you with Eddie Shore when he'd tie the goalies to the post?

Yeah, yeah. He would tie goalies to the post. If they went down in a game, he would tie them or tape them to the post in practice so they wouldn't go down. Wow. And now that's what happens. they go down like and then mask

like nobody wore the mask and then Jacques Plant right like he put the the mask on and then they said oh they're gonna go

on the ice they're gonna be yeah and then they they sent him down and and you never wore a helmet eh? no

I tried to wear one but I it wasn't for you it wasn't for me at all let me ask you about this my mom used to watch you play she lived in Pittsburgh in the early 70s

my mom's from Pittsburgh so when you played for the Penguins her dad used to take her and And my family's from Sudbury. So imagine, right? They'd be pointing you out on the ice saying,

that guy's from Sudbury. My mom used to live in Sudbury as well. So I got to ask you, Pittsburgh Penguins, storied franchise now, they've had two of the best players to ever play. Three, four, five of the best players to ever play. But back then, that was pre-Glory Days. It was 20 years before they won the Cup

when you played for them. What was it like then? They were a brand new franchise. Yeah, that's when Red Kelly was the coach, and he got me from Buffalo to play for Pittsburgh, and we made the playoffs. We needed a certain amount of points, and then when I came in, we got the points, and we made the playoffs. And that's when, like the first game I played with Pittsburgh, I scored a hat-trick, and all of a sudden now, the coach there was, oh, I forget his name now. No, you're thinking L.A. with Hal Laco. No, no.

Was Red your coach in Pittsburgh? Yeah, Red was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what was the line in Pittsburgh? Shock, Shaq, and? Schenkel. Shock, Shaq, Schenkel. Imagine being the play-by-play guy for that team.

Amazing. But you got, what, 26 goals for Pittsburgh one year or something like that? Eddie, here's another thing about Eddie that people don't know. He's one of only three guys to score 20 or more goals for five different teams. So it's Bill Guerin, Dean Prentice, and Eddie Shaq. Wow. That's a cool stat, eh? That is a cool stat.

That means you fit in and make friends, as we can see why guys would like to play with Eddie. Fun guy. No kidding. Pay for the cocktails if you get the big salary. Big salary, is it right? Ken, is this the least amount of work you've had to do for a book? Yes. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we just sat and had fun. It was great. But this is great there, you know, when you have somebody like Ken Reed, right? And I can't read, right? Isn't that something? You know, in my garage, I've got pictures on both walls, and I just got them all up, and I counted them, 23. Number 23.

My initials, E-S, backwards, 23. So, like, you and I, you're not number 23, but you can read, though. We make a good team. But to sit in it, he's gradually sitting there with a stogie and a wine, and he's just telling stories. Well, it's basically this, but with alcohol and cigars. Right. Right?

And Eddie'd say, you want a cocktail? I said, I got to work tonight. He said, come on, have a cup. But I wouldn't, would I, Eddie? I might have a juice box or something. But the other great thing about doing the book was going to Eddie's house and meeting his wife, Norma, because Norma's this beautiful lady, classy lady. They have an immaculate house.

The only sign that Eddie played hockey, once you go in the house, there's a Buffalo Sabres puck on the wall in the basement from your 200th career goal. I had to point it out to you because there's no hockey stuff in the house. But then we go upstairs, and Norma showed me around, and she goes, and then there's this bear, this bear in the living room. There's a stone carving of a bear. How do you take it from here? It's a jade.

It's a jade bear, and we'd go play in Vancouver and that. Golf. Golf, and like Bobby Hall would be there, and then he'd be drinking with both hands, and then it would drink the Tuberg and I'm with them and I'm trying to keep up to them. And so now, the auction comes on, right?

And I see this bear, a jade bear, it's about like that and it's got a fish in it because of Vancouver, right? Salmon, Pacific salmon or something. So I said, you know what? I'm going to buy that some bitch.

You know what I mean? What were you on, the Grand Marnier by then? you were drinking what was it probably yeah geez oh and then he said he said how do you say for a quadruplet or how do you say for a quad quads the boys were drinking quads yeah four shots in one drink oh a grand marnier i didn't know i didn't know what i didn't know what that you know what i mean yeah i didn't have a clue so i same as bobby and and we were going so now the they they come up with this the auctioneer bidder to bid bidder to buy whether on the

Shorts up, get your gimme, drop your dirty socket to me. You know what I mean? He's going on and mumbling all these different things, right? I put up my hand. I bet $1,000. That guy bet $5,000. I said, $10,000. That guy says, $11,000.

$12,000. $15,000. And now it's gone up. And the guy says, $16,000. $17,000. I said, $23,000, my number. This is going to be my last. He says, $24,000.

$25,000. $25,000, and I got this jade now, and now they got to ship it to, you know what I mean? And that's when I had sold the golf course, so I had a ton of money in the, so it didn't really matter, right? I mean, so now this bear comes to the house, and it's like that, that big, and I tell my wife that. What's it worth now, though? but it's it's worth a hundred now wow

because it's all jade yeah so Norma in the book too but Norma in the book because Eddie will tell his version

then Norma chimes in with her version and Norma says now Eddie you were half in the bag and you were bidding against yourself once it was 19,000

so Eddie's going 19, 20, 21 what do you know so he outbid himself by five grand but I wasn't gonna I wasn't gonna get it and I figured

you bastard you almost didn't get it you i'm going against myself that one worked out but what about the time you got half in the bag and brought home a whale tusk oh geez as one does one is one two yeah this will toss it was about that about 10 inches and it had 13 autographs on it and then with the with the bear on the bottom of that and uh i i paid what did i pay for that one 10 grand i think or something i don't know and norma said get that the hell out of here i brought it home like i took my dad fishing out in bc there and then i and i we came home with the night flight eh because they had they

couldn't put it underneath there so i had to carry it in the front so i come come home and in the morning and i'm not gonna get norma up and norma gets up and i got this whale's tooth and my dad's carrying the bear and that she said what the hell did it what the hell did you get there you know i mean i thought it'd be good in this corner of the house right yeah but nevertheless it we used it a while then i i sold it i sold it i got 10 autographed morris rocket richard sticks for it wow he traded it for the autograph Maurice Richard stuff and then sold the Maurice Richard stuff and made up making a profit dude in the book read the book Eddie makes profits Wow the car the car you bought at the auction when

you're half in the bag at the golf course one of them sports car well it's like an Austin Powers book it's in the book and then my like and then the window goes down, I had a dog, Shih Tzu, I used to call him Shithead, right, but I bought that, and I said, and then I bought it at the Devil's Pulpit, and it was an auction too, and then I think I paid like $13,000 for it at that time, right, so now I leave it there, and I get somebody to come with me and drive it, you know what I mean, so now I'm driving it on the 400

I said I bought some crazy things but I said this thing here is a four cylinder I think you could run faster than with it you know what I mean

but then well I sold it and I got I got like 23,000 so it wasn't that bad though so if anyone out there

is having a charity auction invite Eddie he'll buy something and then he'll turn it into a profit so listen the book again Ken is

Eddie Shack Hockey's Most Entertaining Stories Eddie Shaq Hockey's Most Entertaining Stories Available on Amazon Frameworth.com Likely come autographed Or Chapters Indigo

And it's It's the coolest book I've ever done Well Lately Because All my books are cool Eddie aren't they

Because it's told In a different way The designing is fantastic There's over 200 pictures It's a coffee table book You can pick it up Put it down There's a bunch of pictures

That Norma dug up for it But it's got Eddie's voice Norma's voice and voices of people like Wayne Gretzky, Bobby Hall, Eddie's friends. It was a different way to design a book. It's not just your regular 60,000-word hockey book. And my wife, with the Hockey Hall of Fame, she's in there quite a bit, and I wanted her to be in there because a lot of the NHL hockey players

that wrote written books, they didn't have their wives in. And like with me, when you can't read or write, I never written out a check, and she has to do all the, you know what I mean, with the water bill or what, you know what I mean? And, well, we did really well with the alumni. We made it. Yeah, in the 90s, when the alumni took the pension-funded task for not getting money, Norma and Eddie were two of the primary people.

So there were seven players that were on board. And that's the thing people wouldn't know about Eddie Shaq, right? They just think the entertainer. Well, the entertainer helped get a lot of money for a lot of players. And we had to sign for it, too. We had to sign. And if we lost, we had to pay. You know what I mean?

And then the guys that were in on the book, they didn't have, like, didn't have that kind of money, right? And then there was, like, Bathgate, he had a lot. Yeah, but it's quite a story, like the whole Carl Brewer thing, right? Bathgate, yourself. Yeah. It was quite a story. That's in there, too. So there's stuff in there that'll make you laugh, probably mostly make you laugh.

But I think the bottom line is this is a guy, Mr. Eddie Shack, who's illiterate, right? So in grade three or grade four, kids are picking on you, and Eddie would wait for them at the bottom of the slide and then kick the living piss out of them. But it's a guy that was given an academic limitation, but said, you know what, there's lots of other ways to get by in life other than reading and writing, and he's still here smiling at 82. And, man, we have fun doing this, don't we, Eddie?

Yeah, when I went to school there, if I didn't like a kid there, like on the slide there in the wintertime, right, I'd kick his legs out and then go ass over a tea kettle. Or then in school, we'd be playing ball, and I'd try to break the windows in the school. Oh, my God, I've been terrified. Yeah, I just tried. And then when I'd get the strap, that's how we'd get the strap like that. And I'd get it like 25 times.

Holy shit. Yeah, but I wasn't like a real quiet kid. I was a little bit loud. I can't see that. So now, what I used to do, I used to, like, the school, there'd be two doors, right? And that's where you'd get the strap, right? And I'd run out. And then next time, they'd put a teacher at both doors.

Oh, so you couldn't escape. I couldn't escape, and I'd run right over them. And they'd phone my mom, and my mom would have to send me back. And I'd say, I'm not going back. I'm not going back. But that's when you were a little bit, they don't do that now. No. No, they don't.

Well, I mean, we're here today. We're taping this the night after Evander Kane's, he elbowed a guy in the head. But it wasn't anything major, right? If we were here after a show in 1959, we'd be talking about the time Eddie Shaq got into a stick fight with Larry Zydel in a preseason game and cracked his stick over his head and went to jail. The game has changed. The times have changed. Imagine going on the air, breaking down a stick fight. Eddie, what's a stick fight sound like when you hit a guy in the head?

A wooden stick. Wooden stick. Hello, Dolly. Yeah, baby. But Larry Zeidel, he speared me, and I said, you spear me one more time, you'll get this stick right over the head. Right? The third period comes around, he spears me again right over the head. Then they break up the fight on the ice.

I go up in the stands because we're going to go for beer after, so I'll wait for the guys. Naturally, yeah. So now I go up in the stands, he comes after me, I whack him one. knocks down and we got the boots on them you know the big

and I said no I'm a gentleman right I won't give them the boots right cops come along put us both in jail I guess you can't

have a beer there he got bailed out though Eddie maybe he did yeah Eddie what a pleasure like I just

totally tickled that you're here man like it's just awesome it's great to have you I can't wait to I'm going to call my dad right after this and be like, you never believe what I talked to you about. Well, what about your mom from Pittsburgh?

Yeah, hello, mom. How are you? I wish my grandfather was still with us because he would just be over the moon about this. It's so cool. So cool. I got to get you just to say this into the mic. What do you think of my mom's shortbread cookies there? Oh, they're fantastic.

Hey, all right. Mama mia, papa mia, right? Tina knows what's up. Hey, before we go, I got something for Dangle. Yeah, I know. Jesse, can you reach outside? Because Dangle's so generous. Every time I write a book, he has me on.

And I thank you for having me on, Dangle. So I promised you I'd give you this. So here it is, buddy, for you. Signed Felix Potvan, Coho Revolution. Here you go, buddy. It's a revolution. There you go. Look at it.

There you go. There you go. You got to understand, I'm about four years old, Eddie. So I grew up idolizing Felix the Cat Potvan. Oh, that's excellent. There you go, buddy. There you go. and I did tell you

how I got it right I can't remember my neighbors are moving they put out a bunch of sticks for road hockey and that's there and I thought

oh my that is signed by Felix Podfan there you go look at this beautiful autograph gold sharpened they threw it away

one man jumps another man's treasure Eddie Schaaf oh my goodness yeah I love this you made his day I almost have like

a full equipment set now he's had a rough 24 hours Mr. Dangle oh really oh yeah you know traffic and stuff

oh I saw you tweet last night hey Eddie watch this one more time ready ready before we sign off

I assume the words are going to sign off you ready Eddie Shaq hockey's most entertaining stories available on amazon.ca

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