The Steve Dangle Podcast - Clipboard Guy | June 29, 2026

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Starting point is 00:01:10 download that. TaskRabbit.ca. Code Dangle. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcf walk.ca the steve dangle podcast with your host steve dangle adam wild and jesse blake let's go back from draft weekend lots happening um we met uh there was a man who went viral there

Starting point is 00:02:03 he was a leaf fan he had a clipboard his name is josh also referred to online as clipboard guy he will be joining the show thrilled to have josh on he just seems like a genuine dude like a great person so we're excited to have him on also before we really get into it i think it's worth mentioning that today is maddie's second last show at sdpn and maddie you've got a big announcement this is you're you're uh you're leaving us but you're not just leaving us you're leaving all of us yeah i am moving to london england um on a youth mobility visa for about two to three years um living in toronto has been wonderful and this is just something in my life though that i've always wanted to do I went to London for the first time when I was 16 I just felt it in my gut that

Starting point is 00:02:52 I wanted to be there one day just for like a year at least or something and uh but yeah all that to say though I it has been genuinely such an honor working for the three of you these guys are the most wonderful kindest people you will ever meet um like both professionally and personally speaking They've helped me grow so much as a person. And Adam, I met when I was 21 years old and turning out a radio station. Didn't really know what I was about to get myself into. And I kept getting extended in this internship and didn't end up working out. But me and Adam became really strong co-workers and we loved working with each other. And when this network was expanding, he asked me if I want to be a switcher. And he was like, listen, we're kind of figuring things out still

Starting point is 00:03:44 right now but we need a camera switcher and you know i trust you with everything and i trusted adam and i didn't know exactly what i wanted to do for a long time i was a bit lost and then almost four years later um here you are this has been wonderful and um you know i was at a point to where i didn't know if i wanted to work in sports and and genuinely the show has made me fall in love with sports again um and ice hockey in general and and steve i mean i used to watch steve when i was a little girl i mentioned that twice oh there's another old joke later in the show that we had a treat um for steve but all jokes aside steve i loved your content growing up you were one of the first people in my life and i mean and at that time like it was more of

Starting point is 00:04:37 a parasocial thing but as a angry leafs fan because my first leafs game ever was against the boston bruins and 2012 i believe they lost eight nothing my first ever leafs game oh um and steve remembers that game and i remember watching a video that steve reviewed after and i was like this guy's awesome and then who knew years and years later we'd be four years working together and it's been so so fun and special and uh jesse i oh jesse's my bestie i'm gonna lose my best like they hang out to you so you gotta explain how much time you guys spend together you guys spend a lot of time me and jesse so the thing is like we do the show and then after the show it's just me and jesse that stay behind and we do our editing and jesse edits the show and i

Starting point is 00:05:23 edit the clips and we're side by side in our little office and sometimes we'll play little lo-fi backgrounds and we'll pick different ones and we'll or we'll watch like some soccer game happening or something i'll put on golf i'm going golf and uh me and jesse golf together sometimes in the summer too but jesse is just the most wonderful person and i didn't know who jesse was until i started this job and now he's just like he's made me grown so much in my career and he is such a talented person and he really is like one of the main engines behind this ship that i had no idea how um just incredible of like a co-worker i would have and how like hard it would be to lose after a bit i mean we're not gonna we'll be in touch obviously

Starting point is 00:06:08 but you know it's it's different you don't get to see each other every day and um but uh yeah and And he's just made me such a better editor and he's supported me so much throughout my career. I feel like I have two older brothers and Adam always teases me. I got that little sister energy. Yeah, she knows how to put up with that. And it feels like I'm working with some brothers every day as much as they're also my co-workers. So it's been so, so special. I love the three of you so much.

Starting point is 00:06:37 And thank you for everything. Now, Maddie will be here for free agency. First off, the words that you've given to all of us. we appreciate you reading the script word for word um but beyond that ran a bit long yeah yeah we're gonna tighten it a little bit in the middle there but i really probably should have been at the desk but that's that's fine you also should have said steve old anyway um but i think she could have said like any age she said little girl oh no little girl but maddie we're gonna miss you so much and and obviously um you're gonna be around for free agency so free agency will be

Starting point is 00:07:13 your last day and that's crazy it's like the busiest day of the year um well this is the busiest time for you guys and and they've they've known about this for for a little bit um but i didn't want to like leave you guys at the at the busiest time because it's also such a fun time for me too like the the office is so exciting yeah all the trades that break out and everything it's such a fun time and to be here so and very quickly you're going to the you're going to uk you're going to london yeah where what are you going to do what are people are going to want to know what you're doing um i haven't got a job yet i've definitely been applying for things but i would love to get into content production and keep going with that definitely still in the media

Starting point is 00:07:47 production field um so yeah so hey if you're listening to this yeah media production in london you need can we hire somebody for you yeah that would be awesome i can't speak highly enough about working with maddie she is an absolute joy to be around day in and day out like i come to the office like even you mentioned the lo-fi beats like little things like that make it just a fun atmosphere you know and you bring that energy every day with your joy and we're gonna miss you and you're so hard working the the skills you had from when you started to now like it's light years you know you've improved so much and you're only getting better and you have such a drive and energy and that's what like is leading you to go to the uk yeah you know because you have such a

Starting point is 00:08:28 passion for this and and you want to just live life to the fullest and work as hard as you can and hang out with a bunch of cool people like you're doing life right and any company out there it would be uh they would they would be like so much better to have you yeah they'd be insane not to hear you yeah insane you can't see it but jesse's making me there's no bad days with maddie she never comes in here in a bad mood ever ever ever ever it's because you guys are so fun like you guys make this so fun you guys make me laugh everybody hears my laugh all the time and that's genuine i swear it's not uh some some laugh track what was some of my favorite moments whenever maddie comes uh through the mic i'm like i got her yes nailed it so uh we'll uh we'll be

Starting point is 00:09:09 enjoying maddie today and then of course again uh on wednesday and then she's leaving for the uk sunday night man like it's happening fast i'm just gonna do something real quick for the thumbnail all right this is how we know all right yeah so the audio listeners maddie is walking over just coming over here get in get in the thumbnail there it is yeah there okay yay thumbnail beautiful okay amazing now drew's gonna put like maddie's leaving yeah oh yeah sad one no no don't we or do we just ai it but they're all sad with the no no i hate those photos okay there you go you guys can decide yeah everyone yeah I keep getting messages like

Starting point is 00:09:54 so when you're posing for the thumbnail I don't do that we don't pose for the thumbnail just take screen cap from the show yeah he just takes the dumbest possible photo of my face or is it you Jesse that does you do I usually just take a screen cap of the thumbnail yeah you're talking about for your I'm talking about

Starting point is 00:10:10 he's talking about I'm talking about me oh sorry I'm sorry a lot of Maddie and we need to bring it back actually no let's do the Let's do the happy one. You like the happy one better? Okay.

Starting point is 00:10:24 That's fine with us. I look better. Trade just before the show started. So we had Nils Hoglander going to Nashville for a 2029 third. And we're like, okay. Sure. But Brendan Gallagher has been traded from the Montreal Canadiens to the Vancouver Canucks. And it looks like, at least at this point, 50% of his salary will be retained by the Montreal Canadiens.

Starting point is 00:10:45 They wanted to do right by this player. And listen, in Toronto, we've done way too much right by way too many players. and it has not benefited us. But in this particular case, Brandon Gallagher deserves this. 3.25 is retained by the Canadians. That is 50%. That's great.

Starting point is 00:11:00 Gallagher is a Canuck for 3.25. And he was a major part of this team. Obviously, the team that went to the finals. He only played the one playoff game this year, but has always been a big culture guy. There's a reason why even this year, playing fourth line minutes, he had the assistant captain.

Starting point is 00:11:15 This is the guy you do right by. You don't do right by a guy who came to Toronto and played 20 games and you're like, well we need to do right by the player this is the guy you do right by and i think for vancouver when we're talking about they keep talking about culture shifts there guys and i think it's a good place to start and that starts in management because it's been it's been a a slope sort of thing where things have been rotten at the top and it's gotten into the dressing room brennan

Starting point is 00:11:38 gallagher is the culture guy i think that they can that they can use for at least this coming year to help shape some of the new pieces coming in and fix kind of what ails them at least on the personality side totally and like i think he's got i think he's got good games left yeah uh in his nhl career i don't think he's done that the habs are really strong on the wings and he he just doesn't fit the direction they're going um where's the canucks are looking for a direction yeah right so i i think he fits totally fine um pretty nice work for the canucks to get a player half retained for free like future considerations is crazy the habs obviously free up that space you assume they're gonna try to do something with it um but you know i i guess the victory

Starting point is 00:12:30 for the habs is they didn't have to pay assets oh the victory is the 3.25 that they get in cap space yeah that too they determined that at the end of the playoffs or in the playoffs when the games actually matter the most they didn't need this player right so going into this season you don't need him for the 77 games he played last year you can prepare your lineup for the playoffs here so they're just getting rid of that player and they get 3.25 in relief and it's only for one more season that they hang on to that money after this season will be off the books i think it's a good work by the habs just to dump it off it's not going to get easier for him to get into montreal's lineup either either with uh some of the young guys they have coming up you look at

Starting point is 00:13:10 his his career 911 games you know i would hope he hits a thousand because falling just short of that is going to be painful i think he's only 34 yeah eric angle said yeah 250 goals is right there 500 points is right there yeah get there eric angle says uh don't bet against this guy his time with the canadians was up but his time in the nhl is much time being up in the nhl is much further away than people think and i think part of that's gonna be ice time right he's gonna be he's gonna have a lot more ice time uh no one no one should go into this expecting brendan gallagher not to be an nhl or for another couple of years like vancouver i think fans should be excited about having this guy on your team because he's gonna play all of the minutes he's gonna be a really

Starting point is 00:13:54 good energy in the locker room now with hughes gone like maybe he's even captain if he's willing to stick around you know because that's crazy he comes in there he's a tone setter he knows everything that he's learned about being in montreal for so long like i can see it and i think philip ronick wants to stick around and play a leadership role as well as we keep hearing so delgar wearing a letter isn't totally insane i think you know i think it's almost a guarantee right like at least the a yeah yeah and i think i think ronick and him and i don't know what besters future plans are i know that brock bester didn't sign in vancouver to not make the playoffs that's i know that for sure because he you know minnesota was so in on him last year

Starting point is 00:14:33 um but he thought hey well we still got a good good thing going here in vancouver maybe last year was a blip and it turned out it wasn't and then quinn hughes is gone i i wonder about you know is the is he a guy that's traded and the the guys like gallagher ronick some of these other guys that have stuck around i know they're stuck with their goalie contracts yeah um they don't have to be that bad again right that's the thing with the canucks they don't someone has to finish last right um but the the team who finishes last like the bottom three teams in the nhl are rarely there just because they're turbo garbage a lot of things have to happen right um you know you got to have injuries in net you got to be really young and inexperienced

Starting point is 00:15:19 it's mostly injuries it's a lot of injuries right so i'm not convinced the canucks are going to stay as bad as they were last year i'm not either but they're not going to be great though exactly yeah and that's okay there's probably still bottom i mean they're pretty comfortably bottom 10 yep yeah so good for brennan gallagher sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to repel down and clean all the windows but they never clean my windows oh and they're way around on that it's like well it's a patio window you can do that yourself and

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Starting point is 00:17:41 You've got to try breakfast at A&W. at participating A&W locations in Ontario. We'll get on to some of the bigger things this weekend. And I think we have to start in Columbus, guys. Oh, man. Because, you know, it's so interesting. When that Charlie Quill extension was announced a couple months ago, we're like, okay, so, yeah, he's 34.

Starting point is 00:18:03 He's having a career year. But it's showing the Columbus faithful, the fans, and the guys that have been there a long time, that Columbus are serious about winning. long term and they want to keep this group together people kind of forget that's what the warrensky extension was too back then his his contract looks good now but when he signed it it was expensive right and we're we all looked at that and we're like oh this is the canucks the canucks sorry switch gears steve uh this is the blue jacket saying we're willing to spend

Starting point is 00:18:35 money we want to keep guys here right well they've always been willing to spend money but in the succession of maybe 12 to 24 hours we find out that zach warinski has basically told them and this is right before the draft although they had said they were going to meet after the draft and then we ran that clip of don waddell saying we should keep this all in house and then he promptly doesn't keep any of it in house um that warinski is not going to sign their long term he's got two years left he's not going to sign their long term and just so you understand from an asset management point of view just on the warinski stuff they need to move them now because with two years left on his deal it gives columbus the maximum return anybody that gets him knows that he might not

Starting point is 00:19:10 extend but at least you got him for two seasons if you only have the guarantee that it's one uh next summer the agent is going to hold a lot of the cards because anybody that trades for him is going to go well i want him for at least two years is he going to sign an extension if not we're not giving any sort of prospect capital or anything back so so you're forced on one hand and then the second thing is krill marchenko uh and this came out on sunday jesse and i are sitting at the draft going oh my god this is almost worse well marchenko's younger and he's a much overlooked goal scoring power forward big guy scores a lot more than people think go look up his stat line like he's he's far better he's a very good player there and and and was going to

Starting point is 00:19:50 be a big part i think of what the not just the future future but like the current future uh was supposed to be he makes 3.85 million right now and he is up for a huge raise but because there's not a lot of guys kind of like matthew knight it's not a lot of guys like him and and his body size and that sort of thing um and he has also indicated probably not going to stay here long term and so two of the major pillars of the columbus blue jackets in a succession of a weekend like just a couple of just a few hours say we're not going to be here and i don't know if you're don waddell uh how you can try to convince them otherwise it sounds like the decision has been made. And if we're believing Chris Johnson from yesterday, he said that people can't get a hold

Starting point is 00:20:35 of him. Yeah, it doesn't seem like the Wierenski situation is going to be solved anytime soon, according to Chris Johnson. He tweeted yesterday afternoon, of note with Zach Wierenski available on the trade market. There is some frustration among GMs who haven't been able to get the Columbus Blue Jackets to engage in talks on the Norse trophy winner. Certainly doesn't seem like There's urgency from Columbus to move the Wierenski situation along. So I'm confused about the timeline because the original timeline that I think was set less than a week ago is the Blue Jackets were going to talk to Wierenski after the draft. And then it was like, they're moving them. And now it's they're not moving them.

Starting point is 00:21:16 I think I think Don Waddell is on his own timeline, right? Because he doesn't have to move the player. He doesn't, but it seems chaotic and they seem screwed. The reason I said Marchenko is almost worse. Star players force their way out of situations. It happens across sports. The NHL is no different. Wierenski is not even the first player from the American Olympic team to do it this offseason.

Starting point is 00:21:50 He's not even the second, right? um a lot of a lot of guys have done this marchenko like you can't just be losing all your good players like warensky i look at that as you know it's it's definitely bad but it's not shocking well because he's put in a decade there and there's yeah like larkin there's been a lack of success yeah like it's it's not not even shocking success like matthews there's been a lack of success but at least he's made the playoffs yes right and had the opportunity to lose to warrensky yes yes but like it's not it's not totally shocking that this that warrensky is potentially available or would potentially want out marchenko is very good but also who the hell are you

Starting point is 00:22:42 well and the reason i say that so supposedly he's asking for pavel dorofeev's contract yeah who told you you're that well he's the team's leading goal scorer yeah and he's never scored as much as Pavel Dorofeev okay but in terms of importance to the team he's number one in terms of putting the puck in the back of that that's valid but the what I'm hearing and correct me if I'm wrong what I'm hearing is he wants that contract which is 11 million dollars long term with someone else Marchenko's got more goals than Dorofeev they're the same age sorry uh marchenko's got more career goals than dorfee yeah career goals but give me seasons dorfee has been a killer 35 37 the last two marchenko is 31 27 not that far it's not that

Starting point is 00:23:29 far but it's not there okay all right it's not there then if dorfee is at 11 which i apparently vegas was only willing to go to seven or something um if dorfee is at 11 is marchenko 10 and i think his agent is making the argument that like those contracts are the players aren't too far off yeah if marchenko's on a better team like if march if you put marchenko in dorafay of spot on vegas maybe there's a there's four more goals there and then those numbers that you're asking for look a little closer so that contract isn't too far off it maybe it's nine maybe it's 10 but 11 is probably at the high end but that's what the agent should be asking for i think that's very fair here's the other thing shoots right yep premium i know not premium position but big

Starting point is 00:24:13 again shoots right yep no it's valid and it is valid like it's for instance like the Leafs I'm like man is there a nice Marchenko swap here because like we need a right shooter other than Nylander we have no right shooters on on forward none zero zero uh it's a big deal I don't it's I feel horrible for Blue Jackets fans I thought we were past this me too you know it started it started to look like it was coming together a bit even like Jack Reeves has emerged like the Canucks lose Quinn Hughes and you're like, oh boy. And then you see what they get for him and you're like, oh, all right. You know what?

Starting point is 00:24:50 You have a direction. I liked a lot of the things that Canucks did. The front office did, even though they got fired last season. Like they got ahead of their problems and they were able to get decent halls for Quinn Hughes. They got a real good package for Kiefer Sherwood. um i think there was another one in there that i forgot about the sherwood trade that was a good trade that was a decent trade yeah right they got ahead of of uh some of their problems and they

Starting point is 00:25:17 were able to get decent prices the blue jackets seem very caught off guard by this don waddell seems very caught off guard by this you know when he was in carolina you hear this sort of thing about gms all the time and you never know if it's true he was the the head guy and eric tulsky was the assistant gm and what you heard is yeah but it's tulsky doing all the work it's starting to look like tulsky did all the work because this this is this is horrible like i don't have anything cheeky to say about the blue jackets like this is depressing yeah aaron port's line wrote about how it's one of the most depressing days in blue jackets history and he's not wrong because they just went through this rebuild you know they rick nash asked for a trade out of there and that was

Starting point is 00:26:09 a long process and then he eventually got his trade out and you think like okay there's franchise icon they had to eventually trade them we've gone through now the rebuild from that part and then now we're at the next stage of our franchise where we're actually looking decent we went from near last a couple times and then now we're fighting for a playoff spot with like 10 games to go we're right in it and then they they crap the bed at the end but at least they were in it and they're making strides to get better you have the best defensive in the national hockey league everything's kind of churning along and you can only just build on top of that going forward and then you get a couple bombs dropped on you in the middle of the offseason well the offseason just starting and

Starting point is 00:26:48 now you're kind of back to where you were six years ago yeah that's so unbelievably depressing and like nash was there for 10 well 11 years but two of those were lockouts he was there for two lockouts that's insane um that's depressing like warwinski jesse he put in his time yes yes and then he was done with it and then you they it looked like they were through that you know because and but then now they're just back to where they started and it seems like that in between period was just lost in a waste rick nash i'll give you a crazy stat then i'll let you go sure rick nash played 89 playoff games in his career how many were with columbus i think zero not zero oh no they had that one uh six jesse what do you think uh seven four four oh they got

Starting point is 00:27:35 swept he got oh my so he got four games with them in over 11 years that was the crazy steve mason year then he goes to the rangers and instantly makes the playoffs four years in a row and then on the fifth year he's traded to boston and that was his last season plays another 12 playoff games there like this is a beat the leafs by the way yes um uh this is a that's not even noteworthy everyone beats them the article i always point back to with portsy just to turn it over to you here is when he wrote a couple of years ago that columbus was the team parody forgot it's like caden lidstrom yeah looked like he was gonna be so good and then i think get the injury bug bit him wierenski now marchenko they just re-signed a 72 year old coach

Starting point is 00:28:19 um yeah they're gonna they're about to lose their captain i don't think we're putting enough into that right wierenski's not their captain it's boone jenner and he's leaving as one of the why is he leaving like why aren't you the blue jackets are not hard up on cap space no and they're not hard up on money either they always spend they should be 38 points in 67 games pretty good season like you can't even buy your way out of this you know what i mean yeah if your ownership you're like okay we'll throw money at the situation because nobody wants to stay here and that's not even working you could spend significantly in free agency and still probably fall well below the cap like what like what are they at i know it's not the cap i know it's not

Starting point is 00:29:04 that what big contracts boone jenner by the way has played every single playoff game in columbus blue jackets history with the exception of the four games that rick nash played with them in 0809 that's every crazy every single game they currently have 25 million dollars in cash 25 million dollars in cap space and like warensky i assume wants a raise well yeah of course he's gonna get a raise right marchenko wants a raise why can't it be you but i know they have some free eight or restricted free agents greaves is one of them do they have to re-sign fantilli uh no to do they do yeah oh man this is a nightmare cole sillinger adam fantilli both rfas yeah so i take it back their cap situation's not even that good

Starting point is 00:29:55 geez that's oh marchenko is going to be eligible for that extension on july 1st but he's due up next season that's why there's pressure there and they've always played low scoring style so marchenko like marchenko would have probably not benefited from the low low scoring file i look at uh fantilli played all 82 last year 60 points or 59 um that's a guy that i think probably is going to get a lot of money again unless they bridge them i still i still hate the saying even on bad teams somebody has to score not true not well with him um he he's now going to be the center of it and i think here's the deal you know like with ottawa although i didn't understand the burakovsky move um like with ottawa you got the opportunity to take whatever this is and turn it into a

Starting point is 00:30:42 positive right like they were able to get uh a really good draft pick for brady kachuk this year they then wheeled that to san jose for william ecklund who fits their timeline a little bit better i was done all right here they've done they've done all right yeah um you know with rowenski i mean that really could be a franchise altering thing and yesterday frege was on a some sort of hit and i haven't heard cj show yet too so i don't know what the updates are this morning but the um the thinking is that you know what frege was saying was well toronto doesn't have the package to compete with other teams and it seems like it's one other team and it's thomas harley yeah you can't if you can't compete with that you can't and that's fine but if it's

Starting point is 00:31:19 warinski for harley i mean uh that i i don't mind that for the blue jackets harley was a top four defenseman for team canada yeah and he's phenomenal he's um i don't know why dallas would do that to be honest because i think you're getting him right before his prime you've just developed him and you've got high skin and already i know warinski's amazing i get that but couldn't harley be that in the next couple of years he's 23 years old warrenski i don't know if harley has norris potential okay he's just very very good is the norris winner he's no no harley's very very good and the you get two cheap years of warrenski um versus there's eight years of harley so you have cost certainty there you have a guy who can't leave in columbus which i think is the number one

Starting point is 00:32:09 thing that they need um and then if you're you're dallas you definitely try to resign waransky that to me is a move that can make sense a lot of sense for both teams whereas you know i've been skeptical with with the leafs angle of this because like dallas is a cup contender i know they lost in the first round this year but they are a cup contender um year in and year out they are a very solid team that we expect a lot of ranting and was hurt this year i think that affected them a lot you you have a healthy rantanen and then add a warensky to the mix even though you're taking harley out oh my god that's really good i just don't see the leafs being a warensky away from contending for the stanley cup i i see i think that's where we we just we definitely

Starting point is 00:32:59 differ on that one i know i want to say two things for the leafs acquiring him and the stars potentially the stars it makes so much sense but you're very right they're actually saving a million dollars if they acquire wierenski and trade harley because harley makes harley's new deal is 10.5 million and wierenski makes 9.5 million so dallas is actually freeing up cap space by acquiring zach wierenski for thomas harley i think that deal makes a lot of sense for the blue jackets if you gotta move wierenski taking thomas harley is a good consolation prize yeah like you you're you're sitting pretty good as an organization if you if you get harley you can kind of swallow that pill like it's not too bad um but you're here forever yeah and he's there

Starting point is 00:33:46 for eight years yeah don't forget you're here forever the cap thing is funny but on on the leaf side of things yeah there's some a lot of people are on your side steve and that like Wierenski isn't worth the assets that you got to make up for the Leafs because the Leafs aren't at a really good position right now. But I don't think that people realize how good Wierenski is. Yes. I think because he plays in Columbus, there might not be just as much name notoriety with him. But if you just take that name and you replace it with Kale McCarr, are you thinking differently? If this whole thing, I'm saying, okay, the Leafs have an opportunity to get Kale McCarr

Starting point is 00:34:26 for nize and danford and a first right i i don't think i think you're thinking a little harder about it but that is the level that wierenski is at i agree in this league wholeheartedly he finished seventh in heart trophy voting won the norris and he's the best defenseman last year in the league he'd be the best defenseman we've had since boria no he'd be the best defenseman in maple leaf's history yeah you're probably right like that's that's the honest truth about it and from there you just acquire that talent and then you do the rest of the business it's the thing you do with the the leafs off season roster the video that people get when you do the roster in july yeah and then all of your comments are like steve this roster sucks

Starting point is 00:35:06 what the hell are you doing it's like it's the work's not done no i know but here here bring up their their group because what i'm most concerned about and i already i pointed this out before we had this conversation is the forward group i think is a little house of horrors so right now puckpedia has this obviously this isn't carved into stone but it's mckenna matthews neilander nize tavaris robertson cowan grew macelli joshua quillen lorenz that stinks now it's not done we know it's not done robertson i imagine stays macelli probably doesn't for this exercise let's assume cowan stays and it's someone like danford going out the door yeah i think you can find a danford faster than you can find a cowan to be honest oh i know he's a

Starting point is 00:35:59 they just drafted a shitload of defensemen yeah so let's say the only guy they're losing off their actual roster is nice yes which is what it should be right oh in that trade so now you're you're going McKenna Matthews Nylander Cowan Tavares Robertson Joshua grew Michele um blank Quillen Lorenz so you gotta you gotta fill that okay great how with what assets does it matter because you have Matthews Nylander Wierenski that is a cornerstone of a championship team yes you have three pillars that i look at and i say go fill in the rest of the gaps that could win a stanley cop are you trading riley to hopefully get a forward that helps you yeah i don't from from there i don't really care what the conversation is i think you start from that and then you work your way out

Starting point is 00:36:58 to go move or whatever other pieces on the roster there are to fill in the forward group around those three guys because nothing else matters no you have those three people on one roster plus you had Tavares on his deal and then you had McKenna there who knows what McKenna can be in a year's time after a season in the NHL same with Cowan growing into that and your defense is pretty good with Radish there now too and Tanev and McCabe if you're not moving any of those contracts and OEL and I think like the whole point is the Stanley Cup yeah and when you have Wierenski Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Radish. Those are five guys who

Starting point is 00:37:35 that's enough to just fill in the rest of the gaps to win the Stanley Cup. And that's where your pro scouting staff needs to be intelligent in the way that Florida's has been intelligent, in the way that Carolina's has been intelligent. Vegas, as much as I hate to say it, brilliant pro scouting staff. I will forever be a

Starting point is 00:37:51 Vegas hater, but they are phenomenally well run. No one Kelly says Vegas is bad. Yeah, they do they say lots of stuff tremendous weirdo but no one says they're bad I think if you look at the best teams and Jesse brought up the graphic like two weeks ago when the cup was awarded how do these teams make it how do they get these players they get them via trade and and you you have to give to get and listen Ben Danford I really like him if he becomes like I think what

Starting point is 00:38:19 they need to be working on him or working with him on is how do we make you a Chris Tanev type player not exactly Chris Tanev but how do we mentor you to become a shutdown D and that's great whatever if you got to give that guy up along with nice to get the norris trophy winning defenseman at nine million bucks or nine and a half for two more seasons no that's objectively no it's objectively a good trade it's objectively you got better yeah what i'm worried about is matthews has two years left wierenski has two years left but the way things have been going You have to look at it like one. Oh, no, that's 100% what it is.

Starting point is 00:39:01 The Oilers have one year to win with Hunter. But wouldn't you say, Steve, that getting Rowinsky makes it more likely that both resign? Because that's what I think. Because now they're together. Only those guys know. And if they find chemistry, they also have the same agent. Listen, it's very clear from this weekend that the Toronto Maple Leafs are building a team that will survive Austin Matthews. That's what they want to do.

Starting point is 00:39:22 It's very clear that that's what they want. Now, would they take a step back if he asked for a trade? Absolutely. but my point is that very clearly from the draft they were part of the plan that was pitched to management was uh we got an empty cupboard here and we got star players that have way too much power over this organization because they know that two-thirds for carlo is objectively good it was great i mean in the moment in the moment yeah and i think large picture i know it sucks yeah it'd be great to have him on the team but he's not yeah and so i don't know man like to me

Starting point is 00:39:50 vegas continues to add good people florida continues to add good people they pay the price Mackie Samaskevich has gone Nick Suzuki has gone who else had these guys traded off their right no Brandstrom never worked out but that was a big trade with Ottawa as well at the time you know you got to think about it like this guy is good nice is good too but this guy's great Dora Faev was just traded off the off the Vegas roster for a first round pick like I might have been two and they went to the finals and he scored 12 goals on the way and they're like see ya yeah like yeah to me that's how i want to operate and i love matthew nize but you have a top four of tanev mccabe radish and warinski it's crazy holy shit who cares who plays the bottom pair

Starting point is 00:40:34 did you even say oel no because i think if they brought him in you potentially look at moving oel cost-controlled guy to a team that can give you the forward you're looking for in a lot of minutes from uh mr myers there yeah or maybe you just maybe you just keep them i love oel so i don't want them to rate them but like you know just andre myers is gonna you know let's go make steve upset in like february well andre oel would be just two bastards i'm just two mean guys too much of a student of the leafs ineptitude like okay so getting warrensky makes matthews more likely to stay and then you get the both of them great okay they're 21st in the league by christmas now what you make your decisions from there i think man but now you don't have

Starting point is 00:41:23 nice but you have matthews and morensky and what do you trade morensky for you're hoping to get a guy like nice you know what i mean so i you understand my total hesitation totally but like the the trade you're outlining nize danford and i don't know first what first but they got colorado oh yeah yeah that's true i guess they got color and the year objectively that's good value for the leafs but there's a big old caveat there yeah i look at the roster that we had there and i take out nize i take out riley i put renski and riley spot and then there's a blank space where nize is And that's two million dollars more on the cap, plus the minus seven of of nice. So you have the space there and there's two million dollars, I should say, of more for Wierenski over Riley.

Starting point is 00:42:18 And then you take away the seven point seven that nice makes. And I say, like, that's that's a lot better starting point than this one right now. They'd be one of the only teams in the league who could justifiably have to do on the power play. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and McKenna was talking, I don't know if you guys saw his avails, but he was saying, like, I don't think he's expecting, and I don't think they're setting up with the expectation that he's playing with Matthews. What, five on five? I have a feeling. No shot.

Starting point is 00:42:45 I think he's going to be playing with Nylander, Tavares. And I think on the right side, I honestly believe, I think the Leafs are going to go after Patrick Kane. I think they are. I think it makes a ton of sense. He's a playmaker. They don't need him to play all the top line minutes. but when you look at how this sort of plays out the Leafs are going to need a veteran playmaker up there McKenna and Matthews both looked up to the way Kane played then you have if you make a

Starting point is 00:43:10 deal like this you're able to fill that right spot so you've got Kane Nylander down the side you probably I think they're going to go after Boone Jenner as well and so you know then it starts to fill out a little bit more I think they go after Jenner and did Bjorkstrand yeah Yeah, Bjorkstrand played for the Blue Jackets. I could see them going after him. He was Tampa, Tampa. He was on Tampa, but I think he played for the Blue Jackets. But he's a right shot guy who's like six foot a million.

Starting point is 00:43:36 The thing with Bjorkstrand is he had a really off year, and I'm not totally sure he'd play much more than a third line role on this team. No, but like to me, I look at him as like a Michelli replacement. Oh, I'd take him over Michelli in a heartbeat. Yeah. Yeah, but this is the thing. Like now you start to see, well, how does it fill out, right?

Starting point is 00:43:53 Without Nyes there, what happens? you've got cowan mckenna on the left side and i'll grant you that's young but uh no team's perfect and you got to do it um and cowan i think earned at least a shot at it montreal was pretty damn young that's true yeah and then third line you got to sort out fourth line you got to sort out but if you can get beau grew on that fourth line center position dakota joshua on the left stephen lorenz on the right and i'm reading this morning uh freed was just on uh the fan hockey show and he said that though brovsky's ask has not come down very much in terms of money they keep linking him to toronto and it looks like uh stallers and lorenz might be a big part of that

Starting point is 00:44:32 because he loved playing with them and lorenz was his shooting partner so now you got stallers brovsky as your goaltending duo do you then build what you're losing hildeby do you trade him you'd have to you'd have to now i don't know what hildeby is worth on the market but you know like we're doing a lot it seems he should well there's a lot that needs to be done you look at that bring it back up bring up the puckpedia you could you could justifiably say hildeby has more trade value than wool yeah well he's uh he's magic beans and people like that he's magic beans he's younger and uh mill like a bajillion dollars cheaper like people are saying oh the leafs didn't make any you know i think we got a little spoiled with those two trades that

Starting point is 00:45:14 we got this roster is not even close to done not even close i mean there's so much to do yeah yeah yeah maybe you find some time for pesetta too just being a crazy person well yeah i don't think we've put enough uh stock into like graduating guys from the marley's and giving them a shot out of camp but that's also magic beans i don't know if they have enough time for that you know if the whole thing is you're scared to lose matthews you can't be like oh let's try and develop guys it's not the year for that this yeah i it's scary still so they've done a bunch of things exciting things i still don't know what they are you know it's disappointing it thinking about the guys who could have graduated from the marley's last year it looks like even more of a

Starting point is 00:45:59 waste because like that's what have last year should have been yeah like i know steve yes i've Hey, but we got the first overall pick. We can't be mad. No, I know, but like... Ethical tank, ethical tank, ethical tank. Bruby. That's what all of the back half last year should have been. Bogru time, Quillen time.

Starting point is 00:46:16 All of the Tengas-Pengases in the world on the Marley. That's what last year... Tengas-Pengas is an option. Yeah. We should have known. We should really stop calling him that. Tengas... No, we will double down on Tengas-Pengas.

Starting point is 00:46:28 Yeah, but he's not even Latvian. We already have... We got one of those now. Yeah, we got a Patrick's something. Patrick's Plumich. I love it. Steve, what do you think about Berube's decision to not play all the young guys?

Starting point is 00:46:39 He should answer for his crimes. How? Because, dude, I don't know anything about any of the guys we called up at the end of the year. Did you learn anything about William Villeneuve? No. You learn anything about Luke Hames? No.

Starting point is 00:46:52 You learn anything about Jacob Quillen other than he probably shouldn't ever play on a fourth line? I wish that we used that time so that now we're not just guessing through training camp, which is always kind of sketchy. You learn anything about Ryan Twerberg? Oh, no, I wish. The Tervberg?

Starting point is 00:47:06 The Tervberg? The Berg. Why did they put a T in front of the V? Berg Daddy. What am I supposed to do with that? Yeah, like Villeneuve, you go, oh, unreal Calder Cup playoff. Torberg, same thing. A bunch of guys, same thing.

Starting point is 00:47:19 Until you see it in the NHL. Yeah, it's different. Yeah, like that's why Hildeby as a potential trade ship is so interesting. Like we're so distracted by Artur Aktyomov. And again, complete magic beans. we saw him at the end of the season in the nhl i need to remind everyone it was not good obviously was called a cup uh playoff mvp dennis hildeby in the 20 games he played last year among goalies who played 20 or more games had the third highest save percentage in the league

Starting point is 00:47:51 in the league i can't remember the two guys ahead of him i think one was scott wedgewood that seems like a really good sales pitch you're welcome that's what i'm saying you know they were hours from free agency yeah and there seems to be a new wave of trades coming yeah like three trades happened since we entered the office today yep it's wild i don't ever read i don't know this is the most fun june i've had in some time two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why every step and dollar raised matters on september 19th join thousands in toronto for the princess margaret cancer foundation walk challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the

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Starting point is 00:49:34 high interest savings account always earn high regular interest rates that grow the more you save and invest conditions apply visit scotiabank.com slash hisa to learn more scotiabank you're richer than you think now the other thing too and frees walsted and wedgwood walsted thank you i the other thing that frege did was he was like oh i'm just spitballing here and i'm glad kyle bukaska's called him out because he doesn't spitball and he's like oh i just wonder if one team could get both deals done and both deals he's talking about dylan larkin and i'm like okay so he's not spitballing he's he legitimately has heard something but he can't verify it's a wierenski and larkin well the thought is jason robertson could be going the other way holy what was who

Starting point is 00:50:20 what was right detroit what was said was oh that makes sense the seattle deal was not just 15 million it was more like 15 625 that's insane and assets and assets and the reason that goes and the well it was apparently a two or three first round picks a fish they threw in at the lottery yeah expansion draft sorry and they said kiss it yeah um but so yeah so it would have been three picks go into dallas robertson to seattle for 15.625 i think it's a 125 million dollar contract that he offered him and he said no and apparently from his camp the perspective is well this shows you how much we want to be in dallas but that doesn't change anything they want to make over 14 dallas doesn't want to pay over miko 12 and a half so that's a pretty big gap and

Starting point is 00:51:03 neither side seems to be closing they're a pretty smart team deadlines clear the mind but if you want Dylan Larkin who's cost controlled and would for sure go to Dallas because who wouldn't go to Dallas and Robertson is from Michigan and then I was thinking with my Leaf brand I'm like well it'd be great to reunite the Robertson brothers wouldn't it of course because Nick has it's been a challenging relationship I think with the Leafs like I think over the last couple of years he's found a spot in the lineup but certainly I don't think it's gone the way he would have wanted it to go and probably the Leafs too where based on where they selected him sure so Dallas could end up with both of these guys that'd be so fun be fun if they're on the same line it would be

Starting point is 00:51:42 i don't know if that would ever happen well long story short i think the um it's you know a realistic possibility how does detroit say no to that how do you say no to jason robertson you can't does that make you better well you need a center it's like jt conf or setting up uh jason robertson i don't think that's good enough but also you're getting jason robertson to pay him twice as much is dylan market like even if you look at it like well he's better okay he makes twice as much yeah like if he ends up signing for 15 million that's crazy so i asked uh i asked a couple of people because um i was listening to a new york post article or article um podcast on on the um on the new york rangers uh it was about the rangers obviously new york post uh uh and uh

Starting point is 00:52:31 They were saying, well, now that we've got Dorofeev, is there any point in trading Trochek? But from what people have talked to, they've said, well, no, Trochek's just got his head around getting traded, and I think probably would want to go. Guys, he's an American Olympian. What are you doing? Can Detroit get a guy like that?

Starting point is 00:52:46 A guy like, oh, my God, like Trochek. So if you're moving Larkin out, can you move Trochek? That was just me thinking. I have nothing on that. I legit have nothing. I spitball all the time. I got to respect Steve Eisenman for being his own man. I really do.

Starting point is 00:52:57 He seemed pissed. Did you see the clip? Oh, yeah. sitting beside draper and he's like here's what happened we got a call it was like oh my god steve's pissed he's definitely telegraphing i will sit you for half a decade just to prove a point yeah maddie you can't play this video but uh here's the audio of steve irisman talking about the dylan larkin situation shortly after the season i received a phone call from dylan larkin's agent uh informing me that dylan would like to be traded uh a week or so after that um

Starting point is 00:53:28 Dylan's agent followed up with a short list of teams that Dylan would consider waiving his no trade to go to having said that Dylan has five years remaining on his contract my job as the manager of the Detroit Red Wings is always to do what is in the best sense of interest of the Detroit Red Wings and I will act accordingly to that so I cannot make any guarantees or did not make any guarantees that that request could or would be met. There is certainly a lot of uncertainty around that. So for the time being, I can confirm yes, that that request was made. I think I will be in a position to maybe answer more questions and be more specific in the future. I appreciate everyone's understanding. I'm sure you have a lot of questions,

Starting point is 00:54:24 but at this time i feel it's best uh just to leave it at that he's pissed man and then he uh yeah he went on to not answer any more questions about it yeah um like not to make everything about the leafs but that's the team i know the best like nick robertson requested a trade he's still on the leafs and fans like him yeah very much that's important like they don't really hold it against him. Ilya Mikheyev asked for a trade, and Kyle Dubas said, no, we like you. He played that season for the Leafs, played very well, and he parlayed that into a huge contract with the Canucks. And now maybe. I think it was the Canucks. He may be coming back this summer, by the way. Who knows? He might be. Why not? That's a fun player. I liked him. I was sad when he left.

Starting point is 00:55:08 Good third line guy. Yeah, totally. This is your captain. yeah is it the same with like is it boone jenner ish to you does it feel is there well here's here's what i think so the boone jenner thing it feels to me like the water was poisoned after the season but the question i think has got to be with warinski with larkin with jason robertson even robertson's contracts up but like what's the dressing room like i like really we all remember the matt duchesne picture right where he's just he's like sad listen i don't know what the dressing room's like i can tell you fans are gonna boo the shit out of him if he shows up for the home opener you mean larkin yeah not

Starting point is 00:55:51 warrenski i don't think he's gonna get booed in columbus no i no i i think i agree with that i think the fans be booing steve eisenman yes oh there's enough booing to go around there's enough booing to go around boy he's I think he's royally fumbled this situation but also like okay he's made a number of mistakes that have

Starting point is 00:56:17 led to this but also the best thing he could probably do for the organization as manager is not cave to this player right now the yeah the best thing is be a stubborn asshole yes yeah because don't let them bully you you you have five years left that's my leverage

Starting point is 00:56:38 your leverage is well we only want to go to three teams and so i go oh let me talk to them okay all their deals suck ass so um see it can't steve eisenman could make dylan larkin sit and play not play hockey for five years if you wanted to we just saw the golden knights exercise a technicality within the law not even the rule that nobody wants to exercise with bruce cassidy if the red wings wanted to do it they could and it wouldn't violate anything in the nhlpa but they wouldn't even be like yeah just stay home or whatever no like we want you to play we set the line up today go go out there and if you don't go you're in violation of your contract yes and you miss out on millions and millions and millions of dollars the best thing

Starting point is 00:57:32 for eisenman and the red wings would be a matt duchesne sort of result where like the avalanche built a uh not a dynasty but they built the 2026 avalanche off the back of that trade that happened eight years ago that that's a crazy trade tree i don't know if i ever did that one but it's a three-team deal and they somehow managed to fleece two teams at once in the sends and preds that trade set the sends back up it's it whatever they had going it killed it immediately and they're only now recovering from it right preds didn't do so hot in that deal too jesse's trying to bring it up but it's so much to parse through yeah the assets it's just there's so many moving parts like i can tell you just based off memory you know what i did

Starting point is 00:58:30 do a trade tree for this i can tell you just based off memory i believe the way it worked is one of the draft picks colorado got they turned into eustace ananin who they then turned into scott wedgwood who was one of the best goalies in the nhl this year nearly a decade later right so that saga was probably gross and uncomfortable for for avalanche fans but the fruits that it bore we're great we're incredible that is the kind of result you got to be hoping here hoping for here if you're a red wings fan if this guy's traded in the next few days like in the next few weeks it's going to stink but you could get something great back chili bw on twitter look at this did a graphic for the matt duchesne trade holy see why don't you do these anymore

Starting point is 00:59:19 you're you wouldn't be doing this steve i will never buy that excuse don't act like this is your time who would be making these graphics yeah we oh no not the graphics we employ drew yeah man i don't know if you want to go through it but no well it's it's well here like forget ottawa like because we're talking about larkin here what did the abs get look at this if you want to read it out for the people listening andrew hammond shane bowers a first round pick a 2019 19-3rd, Sam Gerrard. Oh, yeah, Gerrard, I forgot.

Starting point is 00:59:54 It wasn't even. 2018 second-round pick and prospect, Vladislav Kemenov. And then you can see kind of what everything became. So, yeah, they moved that Shane Bowers for Keith Kincaid. The first-round pick becomes, oh, Bo Byram. Bo Byram. There you go. Because Ottawa had a terrible year, and they picked fourth overall.

Starting point is 01:00:14 This is a result of all the Bo Byram moves. Wow. and then there's the uh third they're still under contract branch open here's the second round pick which is yeah uses anan in there and then that's scott wedgwood yeah dude wow that's a haul that's a haul and a half that helped them win the cup yep that helped them win the cup in 2022 it did and sam's oh my god still under contract oh so you know what's funny this is out of date this is because what did they get for sam gerrard wasn't it brett kulak kulak and they just signed to a contract extension this is from june 27th 2025 yeah so it's a oh my god we're like a year

Starting point is 01:00:57 later yeah that's when they made this graphic i just pulled oh my god almost exactly a year later well done jesse yeah yeah man this like this thing is still going oh yeah definitely it will be for a long time so that i there's not a ton of comparable situations here for dylan larkin that's one i think you have to hope for yeah i think you got oh yeah three teams always expanded it to like six how about it's 32 and you can kiss my ass 31 no and we'll trade you to the coyotes we'll trade you back to detroit why not seriously no like you don't have half a decade with us who do you think you are yeah yep you have to be a hard ass about this it's it's so so all of this i want to i want to bring in another sport here for a second because i want to bring this back

Starting point is 01:01:47 to rinsky just a little bit sure and and dylan larkin too but rinsky more so it might be intertwined right rumors this morning that the toronto raptors and clippers talked a kawaii leonard trade this weekend and that kawaii leonard will only sign an extension in toronto which is bizarre and you know we can't really get into it but what is it what the raptors are on they've sort of had to rebuild everything they're on the an upward trajectory you know the ceiling of that we just don't know Kawhi Leonard had a great season last year played a lot average 28 points a game yeah the Raptors are doing what they should do which is yeah well you know it might be Brandon Ingram and something else and some firsts and stuff like that but does anybody care

Starting point is 01:02:27 right they're just going to add good players I think it comes back to add the good player figure out the non-premium positions later it's like oh man but we might be able to draft a guy who eventually plays on our third line with that pick and you know when you get into what i noticed especially in the draft uh like later on is in the first round and we were doing our stream you know guys are they're selecting guys it's like man this guy projects is a really strong middle six when the leafs drafted frederick goche admittedly he was drafted way too high and the leaf scouting system sucked and their gm sucked at the time but they're they are at the draft they're like this guy projects as a maybe third line center and he only ever got to be fourth

Starting point is 01:03:08 liner the frustrating thing about frederick gauthier is he turned into pretty much exactly what the leafs thought he would yeah yeah which why did you waste a depth guy and you big you used a first on him so what you suck so you know matthew nize is good what do you care about the rest of it you know this guy's good now right and that's i know and if you're dallas that's why you're making the harley move yeah because harley might be warinski but warinski is warinski but i dallas has a way more realistic path to a cup no questions oh yeah no question easier division not that it's easy but easier division well it's funny it's an easier division until the playoffs yeah and then it's awful you're dallas you got to be pushing harder than the

Starting point is 01:03:52 lease for warinski yeah like that makes so much more sense for dallas but doesn't mean the leaf shouldn't be in on it yeah it's yeah it's not that the leaf shouldn't be in on it but like this morning when i heard the harley stuff i was like see that makes a lot more sense yeah right or there's just less risk associated if i'm columbus i want that yeah yes yes it's thomas harley objectively yeah like listen bringing the norris trophy winning defenseman to toronto would be a lot of fun dallas's package is better yeah it's no if i'm columbus i'm seeing if i can get jason robertson and thomas harley if you're columbus yeah that's interesting jason robertson didn't want to go to seattle why is he going to go to columbus i don't think he would

Starting point is 01:04:37 i don't think he would either i think i think you marchico i mean listen straight up marchico would be a good ad for the leafs too i'd be calling about him as well this here's what's weird there used to be rich teams and poor teams now it's teams where like their money's no good seattle is dying to give you generational wealth i wonder if they trade for marchenko if they were willing to give a three first for robertson it would cost you less i think you're cooking with gas there yep but they need some freaking centers in seattle man like like one of the things i kind of keep wondering and i guess it's because they're in division is why have we heard nothing about the leafs and larkin probably because he doesn't want to come to canada that's

Starting point is 01:05:23 why but okay but the leafs need a center i would argue the leafs need a center more than you need a winger yeah i don't think larkin's gonna wait for for toronto maybe and i don't think maybe maybe stevie y doesn't want to see larkin three four times a year maybe the better conversation is why does like over a quarter of the nhl have trade protection it's just standard amongst the standard when you get to that that level yeah yeah it's people the weird quirk about the nhl by the way people are like um people are like well they need to get rid of those i'm like the players are never giving that up imagine no imagine you having a job and then you walk into work one day and and your boss says to you you're leaving now and you're going to a completely

Starting point is 01:06:03 different city you didn't choose and i'd be like okay that's awesome because i also make 10 million dollars yes like that's the difference that's cool yeah i'm a professional athlete they don't look at it like that especially if i'm an nba player i'm like oh my contract's a max 60 million dollars a year what the fuck i care i gotta live in houston that's you looking at it like a poor you're looking at it like a poor yeah right and that's how yeah every time these conversations happen the comments are full of like these guys they make 12 million dollars like what do i give anthony davis getting traded from like la to dallas to washington he's fucking anthony davis it's a hundred million dollars and his place leap one out of every three doesn't have to be

Starting point is 01:06:45 play basketball to make that money yeah i i want to say i i think it's interesting too that this rowenski stuff has held up the darn old nurse market because philadelphia who apparently are the biggest suitor for nurse are now all of a sudden like well zach's available that one kind of died right it did well it died when warrenski became available because philadelphia really likes him and they want him and he might go there like that's another team he could go to man just the lamborghini market is really holding up the dodge durango like that's what it is those those are not similar players i know other than they play defense like i think it comes down to cap management too and apparently ottawa is very interested in rasmus ristolinen so you'd

Starting point is 01:07:24 bring in nurse as a risto thing but if you're if you're giving up assets steve you're not making the nurse trade first you're making the rinsky trade and then going all right well here's what i have left for nurse i'm fascinated by this fascinated by this yeah yeah this better not bleed into july it will it will but there's don't screw my summer up dawn there's so much uh there's so much out there in terms of like what needs to get done i i have a feeling though because it's only the 29th of june i have a feeling we don't see much in the next couple days i can see that i have a feeling it'll be like a quiet start to the week me i think it was not there was nothing yesterday after the draft you could tell people were just tired i think wednesday is going to be

Starting point is 01:08:05 a ton of uh extension videos i agree with you this is where we see we finally see uh the explosion in uh in um the rise of contract costs yep yep pavel dorofeev screwed it up for everybody well that was the one this was gonna happen i know it was gonna happen but that was the one you wait for that logan stanley contract forget pavel dorofeev who's a 30 30 guy logan stanley who's a 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 and then all of a sudden seven guy i've been beating the drum i think he's gonna get somewhere near zadorov i agree with you that's a lot for logan stanley uh-huh and did you see the beck malenstein extension today six years three million a year honestly i really like that deal for buffalo okay tell me about that because you've seen a lot of

Starting point is 01:08:51 buffalo hockey yeah no beck mellenstein is so they acquired him for a second round pick which at the time i was like have you lost your mind that second round pick is now in washington and goes by the name of cole hudson so i think washington's pretty happy about that deal but he's a big belligerent battering ram who can contribute a tiny bit but he's the guy who makes the opponent worse okay right and so to get him in a hair under three million long term that's so good it's good you know you know what i was uh thinking about the other day like players under contract are so much more valuable now than they were a couple years ago remember the islanders buried pierre engvall yeah you know what he's making three million three million yeah but he's

Starting point is 01:09:43 bad dude he was always bad yeah everybody was just like surely you can find a home for him no not with the flat cap once guys yeah but it's not flat and flat anymore no but once guys signed extensions back then their trade value plummeted because nobody wanted them they wanted the player who was a free agent like oh i might be able to get him for this but once he was signed it was like oh fuck it i can't get near that i guess what i'm saying is i think someone should trade for that player try to turn him into a reclamation project he stinks dude he's so weird all his raw skills are incredible his brain is bad yeah his hockey brain is terrible he's in incredible shape he's got all the tools that's why the you're saying people should trade for him the islanders

Starting point is 01:10:22 did yeah he and they tried he makes pierre engvall made me like a more complicated hockey fan like where uh instead of just being like that guy fast that guy's slow i looked at him i'm like that was a terrible path to the puck what are you what are you doing right anyway malenstein yeah um you need players like that to get through a regular season to succeed in the playoffs and Buffalo has them now the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation road hockey event fueled by

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Starting point is 01:13:28 Spotify and Accenture are working together to reinvent the rhythm of ad sales, using automation, analytics, and smarter workflows to simplify campaign delivery and access better data across the business. The result? Less time spent on operations, more time connecting brands with the moments and fandoms that matter most. Learn more at Accenture.com slash Spotify. What did you guys think about the Jack Drury extension in Nashville? 4.5 million bucks? i think it's good for nashville and the trade makes perfect sense for colorado right they can't afford to pay jack drury four and a half million dollars it doesn't make sense for them even if they were able to pull it off it makes way more sense to get two cheaper guys with potential for two more years at i believe combined svechkov and laroe make less than half

Starting point is 01:14:21 of what jack drury makes that makes a lot of sense for colorado jack drury and his potential for nashville that's fine jesse do you think there's any chance with colorado and this cap do you think there's any chance that we see an extension for kale mccarr announced july 1st because i believe he can sign one there can't he he's got the one year left yeah i i don't know i if i'm do you think he stays is my point if i'm the avalanche like here's a blank check i don't care as a content creator i hope he does i don't know why there would be any hesitation to do it on july 1st what if there is by who colorado for what reason well they i mean they they stuck it to miko ranton right and and 12 listen 12 and a half million dollars is what they would not go

Starting point is 01:15:09 to with miko right and yes it's worked out marty niches was very very good in the regular season did disappear in the in the third round they were a lot of injuries but he was not good he wasn't good i'm not totally sure it has worked out okay well 100 and something points is not bad in the regular season no but playoff other guy was miko ranton the other guy was miko ranton and i think if you were to say who would you rather have in the playoffs my answer is miko ranton all day even even though he was injured in these these playoffs and wasn't as good they ground him on that deal and it wins all year long and whatever do you think there's as even do Either of you think there's a remotest possibility

Starting point is 01:15:45 that Kale McCarr doesn't get the blank check because I feel like if they were going to do that, they would have done with Rantanen too. They would have just paid the extra couple million. I think there's a difference between Kale McCarr and Mikko Rantanen. They did the Mikko Rantanen stuff because of Kale McCarr. You know you're going to have to pay that piper. And here he is.

Starting point is 01:16:05 Pay him. It's going to be expensive. I think the Marty Nietzsche deal kind of proved that they were willing to pay people who they feel like are worth the money after that point, right? because he's making 11.5 yeah not a cheap amount for martin nietzsche yeah right like personally i think it was such a disaster in the playoffs that before his no move club actually it hasn't even kicked in yet because it's july 1st like there was probably an opportunity to trade martin

Starting point is 01:16:26 nietzsche because i hated his game in the playoffs but they don't feel that same way they're not joe sackett and i aren't aligned in that regard but i think we're aligned and you just pay kale mccarr what he wants you guys have the same amount of cups as general managers it's true we got uh one each yes that is true um and we saw in the playoffs when kale mccarr was injured and not in there how just out in the woods and lost colorado was without him they need this player he's you can argue that he's more important in some different ways than nathan mckinnon because of the way he drives the play on the back end they're obviously so important to the team together but they need this player like it's a blank check in my eyes i just wonder how quickly it takes for

Starting point is 01:17:07 them to get there it could be a little bit of grinding but it'll get done it'll get done like let's not let's not fear monger like hudson situation if you're talking about guaven well that was that was that was self-inflicted like i don't know also that sucks man that's one of the best contracts in the why why did they force the canadians into that they should have just waited we spent all september being like what about lane hudson and he makes and they're like no we won't do more than dobson he's like fine sign me to eight years he's gonna be he will be he's underpaid right now he was underpaid the day he signed the contract i'm gonna give a really weird garage car interview where i'm trying to strong arm the montreal canadians only to get absolutely

Starting point is 01:17:50 atomic wedgie waistband over my ears what was that i know that it's one of the strangest things in the podcast history it is on the show it is and you know what's funny is that was that the greatest the greatest part about that is you know habs fans love lane hudson and they should yeah you should love kent hughes and jeff gordon even more i think they do yeah i think they do those guys sell like hughes and gordon jerseys they should absolutely you should just say you know what they should sell suits that say hughes and gordon and the number should be whatever hudson's cap it is 8.85 or something is it 8.8 yeah sorry taxi a we're stealing it yeah i don't think it's a good time to plug that one of those gentlemen has been

Starting point is 01:18:32 in on this network right if you want to if you want to hear a Jeff Gordon interview where he's just he's first off he's really nice guy he's going to the Leafs why would he be a nice guy he has wedgied the Leafs so many times this freaking guy he's just

Starting point is 01:18:49 it's you guys talk about how he built the Bruins in an hour yeah while he was intern GM yeah three month three month period gets Chara Bergeron Bergeron Marchand and Luchich Luchich so bergeron marshan lucic in the same draft signs chara and the bruins are like yeah thanks for your interim gm ship get the fuck out of here we need shirely thank you and that's what they service and

Starting point is 01:19:11 they got rid of him within a year yeah and then what did he do he went and built the early 2010s rangers who were great and then he rebuilt the rangers who were great and they fired him when they were great and then he went and built the montreal canadiens with a tantrum with a tantrum people forget about that saga where like i mean gordon probably shouldn't have done what he did yep but it ruined it ruined them it ruined them uh what are they what are they what have they been since and what are they right now what are they going i think rangers fans are happy with the dorothea move okay great they're happy with the albert smith's pick sure okay but all the losing you had a top five pick you better be all right with that yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean

Starting point is 01:19:55 not screwing that up is like such a bare minimum well that's what they're happy with right now i think it's been it's they've been watching a long desert of bad news in new york so it's nice to see some good i don't think it's uh unfair to say they should have just kept that very good general manager i agree with you uh now a couple of leafs tidbits just because it just broke and i figured we'll throw it in the show uh robertson quillen and andre have all been qualified if matias michelli who was not qualified yet is not qualified by today 5 p.m is the deadline yeah and his qualifying is 4.1 million which is way too high it's too much money he would become an unrestricted free agent now they could also just sign him to an extension that's less than that

Starting point is 01:20:39 yeah they could be not qualifying him and then regrouping on some sort of two-year deal or something like that you know but i don't know about you someone giving him that i can see moving on from michelli well everybody's throwing the player cards out there like he's some great player and he might be but the only time he showed up was garbage time and i don't i i just don't like that and and i don't know is uh is he a useful piece on a team sure but you know as we talked about earlier there's like one or two things he does that are good same with robertson i think he's a tremendously skilled player when he wants to be he's he's very inconsistent and he's a defensive liability i don't i don't throw i feel like his his defensive numbers are okay but there

Starting point is 01:21:27 were so many plays where he's on it's it's sort of like uh like a little bit of gardner yeah like gardner's numbers were great his video was awful right yep and oh he's a good defensive player don't tell me that look at this shit yeah look at that look at here look at this shit and michelle got a lot of extra points too because you know he's on the power play at the end of the year a lot of injuries and stuff i don't know man you had some like real highlight moments i'd be open to keeping them how many not at that number how many guys do you want on the team that can do like one thing this is the problem this is the like i robertson to me is i love his effort i love his energy i love this guy uh and i know he doesn't want to be here but i'm gonna love him

Starting point is 01:22:09 anyway he's gonna score goals right he's gonna score goals this shouldn't be why why would you have both you can't have both this shouldn't be that difficult of a question to answer who's playing with austin matthews they don't that person i don't believe has a toronto maple leaf uniform like either of them that's why i think it's i think michelli proved last season that he can't be a top six forward cannot michelli it's actually kind of weird how little he played with austin he's not good enough yeah but like of all the shit they tried which was a lot of stuff um barely i think they recognize the skills just not there to play on a first line you know i think skills there it's everything else yeah right well and like the sheer amount so here's where it could

Starting point is 01:23:01 work the sheer amount that berube used matthews in the defensive zone was insane but because of that and because of his limitations you can't have michelli on that line under berube maybe it's different under hiller i don't know because i don't know who the other centers are yeah i don't think you take that risk like i wouldn't go in planning michelli in any top six role if he signs for two years at three million per how do we feel i don't want him on the team like at all it's it's like people were you know i got like anthony patrelli who from abel leaves hot stuff who i really like was was uh was tweeting about hey i'm kind of surprised they didn't actually hang on to carlo because he is at very least a good penalty killer if there was injuries you know

Starting point is 01:23:45 tan have played 10 games last year he's right all fair points he's right um but sometimes it's like it's time it's time and and michelli's time was well and when he started with the leafs it was the only way to get those picks and they obviously really wanted them yeah and i think those picks are gone now i also think chica did kind of tip his hand he said you know uh getting a fresh start was important to carlo so i think he wanted to go too and i don't blame him you have a chance to play andre you could graduate a guy like villeneuve and i i just think i'd be on that man like there's just guys from last season where i'm like what do you do yeah what do you do and i i that was always my issue with some of the dubious teams right like you know people kept trying to tell me

Starting point is 01:24:28 that justin hall was good and i was like yes when he plays with jake muzzin you keep trying to sell me on alex kerfoot yeah he's good when you play him with john tavaris in his prime why why isn't jared mccann a leaf why isn't jared mccann a leaf right now imagine how good jared mccann would have looked on tavaris and i just that's that's for me that's where i'm like i i don't to me he's one of those dennis mulligan type guys where i don't feel hot or cold i just feel like it's just a blur in the lineup like i just oh man that's great oh man nick oh give me more nick patan minutes you know what i mean all right i know what you mean that to me is the quintessential dubious trade patan no well yes or hendrick lapierre this weekend hendrick lapierre uh

Starting point is 01:25:14 no freaking dennis mulligan for mason marchman oh but it was the kind of deal where i go okay i remember exactly what i said at the time and it's aged like milk but like i don't regret it Because I was following the logic at the time. Mulligan was younger, had played more games, had put up more points. I was surprised they even got him for Marchment, who had played like three games, looked good in those three games, but the Leafs also had to basically be like, here's how you skate. They got him as a project.

Starting point is 01:25:51 Dubas used the Marlies for so many projects that turned into players for other teams i know but let's we've we've done that we've done that right but marchment was like oh my god immediately a smash hit in florida it's like frig off but it was keith that didn't trust him keith didn't want to play him he wasn't a good skater well turned out okay he turned out okay uh and i think let's not forget brad shillivan gave gave up a third round pick for matthias macelli yeah i think he got absolutely fleeced in that deal for a player who was healthy scratched a couple times in utah and then he goes to toronto and it's just been very lukewarm to underwhelming and i wouldn't i wouldn't be sad if they moved on from this player here's here's the the

Starting point is 01:26:33 quintessential uh true living stat that i said recently uh because the marner trade to vegas wasn't made official until july 1st okay according to puckpedia brad true living made more waiver claims between the two nick wa trades than he did trades okay it was three waiver claims versus two trades he was absolutely paralyzed yeah yeah crazy but oh and by the way lost all three players okay but to this to this i i this is clearly some cleanup by the organization carlo being gone um uh i think michelle i think the fact that they haven't qualified him and we haven't heard anything like oh the leafs are working on an extension with michelle like i'm sure if they were michelle's agent would want

Starting point is 01:27:27 that out there i'm sure he wouldn't want that to be like oh man let's the least the least you're asking they want them is there anyone else they gotta qualify i don't know no you it was andre and and robert yeah all the guys who are up for who need their qualifying offers they've submitted except for michelle got it and i think if they were going to they they would have yeah so um toronto's draft by the way and we'll talk about it a little bit later with clipboard guy but i just want to quickly mention that athletic espn elite prospects all pretty much unanimous it was an a or an a plus for the toronto maple east on the draft floor it seems like they did a great job but we never know because we never know i'm always like i like reading way too much in like

Starting point is 01:28:14 oh they really trust their scout who uh went to all the saskatoon blade games right yeah they drafted two guys off of that team who if i'm not mistaken wasn't particularly special um this year belecky is a really interesting pick from the um from the kitchener rangers who were an absolute wagon ethan mckenzie ethan or evan mckenzie ethan i think off off of the oil kings i couldn't believe he was still available and an overager too and an overage time overager canadian world junior still available in the third round at 69th overall that was really good um i appreciated the leafs admin saying nice to that pick yes and then we the leafs had 69 and 169 and they also said nice again i saw that i love that um little sense of humor the finnish goalie uh inasto um

Starting point is 01:29:08 is an interesting one elite prospects is really high on him the latvian goalie where patrick's what uh patrick's plumage i love a latvian name it always ends with an s so i was talking about it in one of my group chats and james myrtle's in it and he was just like how dare you guys have an opinion about this i know teenage latvian how does a latvian i know but someone as soon as he was picked i got a text on my phone from someone in the nhl and they're like damn it i wanted him oh damn it i wanted him and then they told me that they got a message from someone else in the nhl with a different team and they said damn it i wanted him well that's great okay i mean we jesse and i were in there for the mckenzie olsen goodmanson uh anisto and pluman's uh drafts

Starting point is 01:29:56 i don't think we were there for cooper williams were we jesse were we there for cooper williams i i think we were out in the concourse by that yeah yeah so we we saw them all you didn't see yaroslav fedoseev a lot of chl guys is what i noticed that's interesting you know the they went with the three w's and the two o's it's an incredible league man it's an incredible league probably easier to see a ton of their games probably easier to get a ton of data like i don't want to sound insulting but who the hell was scouting patrick plumage in lapia yeah i wanted like this was i'm usually able to be like okay i i know i can read these stats and be like i can tell you if this is good or bad because i know roughly what the averages

Starting point is 01:30:44 are of this league like i could you know sort of do that for um anasto plumage i don't know no i don't we don't do a ton of talking about like latvia internationally okay their domestic league we don't talk about any of that i don't watch a lot of them gala games you should apparently you should um no they had a very good draft and the nerds agree that's good i'm happy about hey that's a good start we'll take that right yeah nostra pipetti is back oh is he nostra pipetti is so back he he called i can't remember it was either i think he called the mckenzie and olsen picks oh that's good yeah a lot of a lot of um you could find a lot of people being like oh that was my guy with so many of the picks that the leafs made they were they were very overdue for a draft like this

Starting point is 01:31:37 well like a good one well yes a good one but you just spend and you spend and you spend and you spend i can't remember the last time anyone reacted to a leafs draft like this like people forget the the matthews draft it was like really disappointing people hated it they hated it outside of him yeah like so so the leafs got a really good grade and people like yeah well they got mckenna they should get a good grade 2016 all the draft nerds hated the job that they did and go back it's awful it's uh yeager korshkov was their second pick he played one game had a goal um yeah there he is so it's korshkov grunstrom's had a decent career wolves had an okay career jd greenway adam brooks barely played keaton middleton's barely played and then no one after

Starting point is 01:32:27 the fourth round yeah where they had uh one two three four picks that never ended up playing yep that's not okay right they had so many picks i'm pretty sure they traded down they like sold off because this is like back when they were still a seller this draft sucks do you remember korshkov's the one game it was against buffalo i believe it was in buffalo of course it was and he scored the goal he scored a goal he scored their only goal in a loss and well go go look it up he never got to play i believe you i don't need to look at all my lookup machine i can i can picture it i can picture it the last thing i want to hit at least on the hockey side and then we'll talk a little draft uh is um i want to talk about jj peterka in boston

Starting point is 01:33:16 boston gave up big package here but in terms of management of assets it's not a great look for utah it just didn't work and i think andre turney and and jj peterka just didn't get a get on uh but i have to ask are you ready for a power play that features uh pasta and peterka that seems pretty scary can i play the video with the bruins welcoming in peterka yeah facetime welcome to be a boston brewing first of all um thank you you're gonna love the fans you're gonna love the city and you're gonna you're gonna love everything about it so very very excited to have you um and uh no no hopefully you do yeah i am i'm super pumped all right good are you at home in uh i'm in munich right now okay what time is it it's one o'clock right now okay

Starting point is 01:34:16 did you know something was happening oh my god this is early as hell I wonder who gave him the heads up to stay up a little later because something might be happening well that's what you have an agent that's what Alan always does JJ I just wanted to make sure you had your coffee anyway yeah so uh here's what I thought yeah no the Atlantic division it's so good it's so good being here i love it um shit yeah no that's freaking that's garbage but i i don't know if it is all that humiliating for uh utah like josh stone is obviously great yeah in buffalo but kessel ring was the other part of that deal and all it got buffalo was they got to move up seven spots in the draft i believe yep

Starting point is 01:35:20 uh okay that so that's what it got them and then for you you were able to parlay paturka into you had a season of paturka and then what was it two first not bad that's not bad i guess not bad i guess it's not but it doesn't look great and it doesn't make you better immediately okay which is definitely a problem right like that i had to look at so many deals like that like like buffalo with byram for example in chicago with byram actually i'm like okay chicago got better buffalo got worse buffalo won the trade you know yeah yeah i can see that and then they got the you know fourth overall pick which is pretty sweet yes looks like they drafted well with it okay all right two and five canadians will hear the words you have cancer that's why

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Starting point is 01:36:55 At participating A&W locations in Ontario Jesse, thoughts from the draft while we were there it was so much fun to be down in buffalo for the saturday um because in the downtown was really cool we walked by the baseball diamond which is just the most minor league stadium that's ever existed in the in the best way in the best way yeah we're not making fun of here no no i love a minor league ballpark it was cool to see that and then we go into the arena and the fan fest you know it's it's cool it's outside the arena but it's a little it's not very sparse you know

Starting point is 01:37:31 a lot not a lot of people you go in a lot of empty seats and you realize that the decentralization of the nhl draft has really taken away from the amount of people that will congregate to the cities for the draft yeah i think that was the part i want to emphasize the most about like hey when you take away all the gms then you take away the media and then you take away the fans from it being a true event year-end party for everybody to attend and i missed that part of the draft because we had such a good time in nashville when we were there for that draft we had such a good time in montreal for that draft and those were the old drafts where everybody was there in the industry and including like people in the game the media and all the fans like they made it an

Starting point is 01:38:14 event too you just run there's so many people along in the streets and this now the draft is really a more small scale event for family and friends of the players who are being drafted and those were kind of the only people there plus people in buffalo who were just want to attend like the hardcore hockey fans and then the people on day one for the mckenna pick who were least fans and drive down that was an adventure there for them and that was cool for them to see but um it was a lot of fun being in buffalo for for that but it could have been so much more i think i think the thing is that i was in favor of decentralizing the draft because i thought it would make the broadcast better and we know from experience now that that's not true although it

Starting point is 01:38:52 is still better i don't want the gms on stage they should not be on stage i don't need to hear the fucking tight five that they have every time they get up there i don't care where they were drinking the night before this year's draft was objectively better than last year absolutely yeah i like this broadcast i didn't mind it so the gms can be there but you don't need to be on tv that's that's my thing just take the general managers on off of tv if you guys saw the don waddell press conference or the clip that we ran on the last show you know exactly why these are not charismatic people they don't make a good entertaining product and the draft should be an entertaining product that cities bid on like in the nfl 1.7 million people went to pittsburgh

Starting point is 01:39:31 this year that's bigger than pittsburgh 1.7 million was the estimate that's how many people were picked no it's just going for the draft you could see they had the big outdoor stage there's still hundreds of thousands of people they are like the fifth round right it's a business thing they should want people to come in they should want to be able to see general managers and players and all that that's the part for me that like you should get business done at the draft and uh there were a lot of trades what was funny actually being in the uh uh being in the arena is how loud when they say trade alerts yeah it's fucking loud like it was like we'd be just sitting there and the music could be playing and then and then oh it was like oh my god like giant train horn yeah

Starting point is 01:40:13 and then and the whole stadium lights up red yes it's unbelievable and then and then it was so funny because obviously later in the in the drafts you get a bunch of just picks traded for picks right and there'd be there was one guy if there was no players involved he'd be like boring i was just gonna ask yeah were there any good chirps it was great i love that just and also the sabers fans that were there they booed the hell out of the leafs every time they booed montreal they booed boston it was great yeah the fans who were there were electric yeah they were great one thing and it was cool that we met a lot of listeners shout out all you guys who came up to us down there um we recorded some videos that are up on the sdpn social so go follow us

Starting point is 01:40:54 on instagram at sdpn sports you'll see us there um adam tried buffalo wings i did uh did you enjoy them love them they love the thing is with a good buffalo sauce if you smell it's got to sting your nose it's got to get in there and delicious the guy working the escalator can you talk about that daryl uh so we went jesse and i you know so they have all the trophies there we already told you about the stanley cup by the way the stanley cup did i say this on the show busted to hell no um we met the people that managed the stanley cup were so nice to us mira i want to give her a particular shout out she was incredible to us um and she was like listen can we get the cup from this angle because it's a little beaten up but she said that one thing she did point out was that the

Starting point is 01:41:34 um the carolina hurricanes are great she's like they are such good people like so that was cool uh but over on the other side you got all the other trophies right so you got your heart you got your um norris you got uh art rot let me tell you the mark messier trophy is a fucking joke i can't believe they even put that up there it's the ugliest i've never really seen it it's the stupidest looking trophy it's a waste of time and then you showed me the picture can we please it's like a child i can see if i can text it to jesse it's like a child drew it and then they were like we'll make it into metal like it's just terrible and and it looks like a nathan for you creation absolutely i'll send it to i gotta you gotta okay yeah gotta load it so but we ran into

Starting point is 01:42:17 daryl who has got to be like our dad's age right and daryl uh was one of the ushers there and i think daryl's retired and this is just his part-time gig and he he said i'm a big listener of you guys hey and so he was talking to us about um how he was talking about a few things he was very happy with the moves yarma was making which was great uh jesse what else did we talk about we're talking about um uh the there was so he he actually pointed jesse out because he was like i really liked your opinion on blah blah blah i'm like ah there's jesse pandering again no right no because we were in agreement with how well the offseason has gone so far yeah buffalo no it was great they've been they've been stuck in the dark for so many years and last year like december

Starting point is 01:43:00 onwards was such a surprise and a great moment for the team in the city and i think even though you lose a player like tuck they've been building on that momentum that they've had and i think they're set up well to have a keep going in this off season and keep building on it so yeah darryl and i were just chatting about how good the buffalo sabers are yeah so it was fantastic big shout out to him he was a really nice guy really uh hardcore listener of the show yeah we met a lot of really nice people and you know what's great is you know when you have to do streeters which i usually hate doing um uh in toronto people are just like busy and they got shit to do and they don't want to fucking talk to you okay uh in buffalo everybody's like listen if i can't i'm

Starting point is 01:43:39 gonna find you someone who can't like uh like they were just the city it's you know everybody calls the city of good neighbors they really are and it's i love buffalo for uh that because remember my car broke down there and there's people stopping on the side of the road to try to help me out uh but when when you're downtown what's really cool about it too is there is you know most of buffalo that you see now was built in the 20s when it was a boom town and you have these beautiful art deco buildings that are still there and and some of them are hotels some of them are old banks or whatever but the the thing that no one talks about with buffalo is how amazing the architecture is and it's like detroit and pittsburgh because they're all in that same

Starting point is 01:44:18 chain of rust belt cities that built up a lot in the 20s and then the 30s took them out and then post-world war ii industry changed and all that but the architecture is amazing and i loved that i was trying not to be uber nerd adam was doing a good job pointing out like things i would never notice like he was showing me these windows and these windows were fucking ginormous three three-story windows that are like this the ceiling of the next to the hotel used to be like would you say a bank it's an old bank yeah you can tell because there's you know the banks have those old wooden uh coffered um walls that only go up partial way but you know one of the things that they did was when they were building this stuff it was meant to show how great buffalo or

Starting point is 01:44:57 pittsburgh or whatever whatever city you were in it was meant to show how great it was to be there and it was a sign of like we have these shitty office buildings now but it was a sign of well your city's made it and when people come to your city and do business in your city there's money here and you're meant to be inspired by it right that's what i love about art deco it's supposed to to to do that so i i don't know man i i was trying not to be a guy but it was the ceilings were like really cool and he was noticing all that so it was cool to walk around there yeah it's a it's a cool cool city to look at and and be around and here's the the trophies that we also it was like favorite trophy right there i didn't expect them to actually have like the trophies out there you

Starting point is 01:45:35 just like touch them and it's like that's the norris trophy yeah and and there's all of them just going down them they even had the prince of wales and the clarence campbell uh ones there too that's the uh rocket richard sorry uh and then we're getting to the ted lindsey and the uh heart trophy beautiful yeah it was cool and her trophy's so good it's good also i didn't realize how big they are they're huge they're fucking huge pieces what is this one and gold and everything yeah and then um and then we're getting to this stupid look at the mark messier leadership part in my in my mouth that is such a bad trophy no but how close do you get in on the face oh i don't i don't show the face up close no uh we can if you zoom in oh you gotta um

Starting point is 01:46:22 the mark messier trophy is the big if you're not aware he gets to pick the winner it is not a an award that's voted on by anybody there's not even a certain criteria mark messier just gets a trophy that he gets to be like that guy that's it what are we doing it's a nonsense award that doesn't make any sense anyways that's the mark messier and his face it looks like a like a like a caveman painting yeah the face is that joke it looks like like all the other tropes medieval art there's real effort in the other trophies real artistry in the other they're real trophies like look at that the like art ross is really cool because they have these little pucks around it and then they just keep filling in the names and

Starting point is 01:47:04 it says mcdavid 22 times yeah yeah mcdavid kucherov mckinnon the last 12 years or whatever it's been there's like six names on that trophy yeah it's not and like randomly jamie bent well three guys we talked about that we saw them like oh there's jamie bent it's 40 points that won the rs three guys won at the 90s three guys lemieux jogger gretzky yeah yeah yeah that's it that's crazy like it's it's uh that's a special award man i i don't know i like that you can tell though by the way like like sabers fans first off in the arena it's great but the concourse it gary betman was right it needs upgrades and like i'm really surprised that they've not like considering the money the pagulas have and considering the money they've thrown at highmark not highmark

Starting point is 01:47:51 stadium anymore uh what is it uh what's it going to be i think it's keeping the name is it still highmark yeah new highmark i guess that opens this year like there's there's literal cracks in the floor that they've patched up at key bank and i'm like you could put some tiles down the food is as advertised really good food's awesome yeah like we've gone through that with fat guy corner yeah seeing in person is delicious yeah i did a bit on our instagram where i tried to find the saber saber be your saber um couldn't do it because they don't actually sell it outside of big games or most of the games i think that's a missed opportunity by the way like how like how do you not just pack enough and sell them because everybody wants them yeah so we couldn't find

Starting point is 01:48:28 that especially at the draft like right yeah like the draft that maybe you do at the big games or whatever but i haven't had the draft i'm at the draft i'm a hardcore fan i'm here to be ripped off yes give me the 50 beer saber i would pay 50 for that american yeah a hundred percent i'm not here i'm not a casual i'm not like i don't know like i'm here to i'm here to spend money like an idiot but shout out brian he had one and he let me hold it and he thought i was gonna steal it but i didn't steal it brian and here's the stanley cup which is if you can tell here this is crooked yeah and that's the good angle yeah this this cup is the good angle there's a big dent on this side two they smashed the hell out of this thing yeah i wonder how much time and effort and money they

Starting point is 01:49:14 spend every year on maintaining the stanley cup a lot like i'm just like okay there's a dent in the cup how do you fix that oh yeah you buff that well you cannot that's not how you're fixing dent i believe they heat it up yeah you buff it take it off pieces and you heat it up and then you reform it you can buff that i love this trophy god yeah it's great it's great and the people that take care of it are super kind one day really really nice people so yeah and we didn't touch it we refuse to touch it our hands are on the table but we are not touching the cup i was i was telling adam when we go take the picture don't touch it because you have to hold the possibility that maybe one day you actually win it yeah so you never know that's the rule have

Starting point is 01:49:57 you touched it uh i think when i was a kid that doesn't count i don't know that doesn't count as a kid you don't you don't know you're not as an adult no you don't touch it until they win then you can touch it no matter like if you're a panthers fan you can touch that cup you don't care no what if you win it yourself one day well you're not gonna win it yourself if you're an adult panther i got news for you you're not winning it yourself when the leafs win it we can touch it is that that's the rule yeah yeah yeah so we'll never touch it again all right now one of the other things from the draft is what right at this moment we ran into a couple of guys who knew clipboard guy who became a bit of a viral sensation

Starting point is 01:50:33 and funnily enough clipboard guy is a listener of this show so i think it's time to bring on josh all right we want to introduce you to the ultimate draft expert who was also featured on nhl network they got him first during the draft josh lipfield also known as clipboard guy so josh before you say anything i gotta tell you how jesse and i uh found out about you because it wasn't on tv and it wasn't on twitter it was your friends um we were we were taking a picture next to the very beat-up stanley cup and a couple people came up to us in leicester season like hey man you guys do the sdp can we get a picture whatever and they're like yeah we got another friend here but he's still on the draft floor and he's got his clipboard with him and i

Starting point is 01:51:23 remember just tagging that as that's a hardcore guy like you kind of just whatever and then all of a sudden jesse and i are at a bar eating dinner uh later that day and you're on yeah and you're going viral it was amazing you know that that was a crazy experience i mean first of all thank you for having me i'm a massive fan of the show absolute honor to be here and you know i i could not have less planned this i remember i remember walking out of my house with the clipboard and my fiance says please don't bring that thing to the draft you're gonna be such a nerd and i said well i am a nerd right so that makes sense right so so is this something you do every draft you sit do you go to the draft do you sit uh uh or do you sit at

Starting point is 01:52:09 home with a clip like what do you what's your is draft a thing for you like tell us and can you just explain like you have a hundred and something prospects on your clipboard like this is something you do if i break it down yeah my hockey journey started young i've always been fascinated with the draft and minor hockey then when i was 15 i was lucky enough to be hired in the leafs mailroom oh and so i worked there for a bit they knew i was interested in scouting so i interviewed some with some scouts pick their brain learn how to evaluate prospects and you know after that i never really pursued a career in it but i still did it and from then on so for 12 years now i do a top 110 for uh skaters uh rankings every single year so i bring the clipboard to whatever draft party

Starting point is 01:52:53 i'm going to and as people are drafted i'm crossing them off and yeah that's what i do for 12 years that's oh 12 years oh my god and how have your rankings been like how as a scout how are you how are you what's your percentage how are you batting success rate i think i think i've gotten a better and better every year i kind of like it to like be hard on myself and really go back and see where i messed up um i remember it was uh 2024 and thankfully he proved me wrong but when we picked ben danford the next two guys on my list were cole hudson oh and and Igor Sershinov wow that's tough yeah so I'm guessing you were you were concerned you're upset yeah I was pretty upset I had both in my top 20 so like I thought like how could we pass

Starting point is 01:53:47 on these guys but you know Danford looks great he's gonna be a solid five six maybe even four defensemen you get that at the end of the first you can't complain yeah no that's great I mean listen uh it's we understand the nerddom right steve like oh my god yeah no absolutely embrace what's wrong with you i i love it that's that's that's uh my life where how did you land on 110 it's an odd number i just uh that usually takes me to like the mid sixth round because i don't i don't rank goalies right it's just a good spot to go i mean any more is just because i never thought i would show these to anyone right right it's just for you You're doing it for the love of the game.

Starting point is 01:54:27 It's just for me. It's for me and whoever else is at my draft party I'm talking to. Right. Right. And let me ask you this. So how do you think the Leafs did? Like, what's your ranking of the Leafs? How do you think?

Starting point is 01:54:39 Who are your top teams in the draft? Should we trust what ESPN and The Athletic are telling us about the teams that drafted well and the teams that didn't? Does Josh have a hot take? Give it to us. I guess my hot take is this is my favorite draft Leafs I've ever had. wow in my 12 years um i have i mean i have the famous clipboard right here there it is yes i can go i go down the list but the leafs took the leaf took my number one my number 53 56 58 81 and 110. so i'm absolutely thrilled wow i mean you know in the arena they kept showing

Starting point is 01:55:21 me after every single pick celebrating and i i wish i could tell you i was hamming it up for the cameras but that was 100 genuine they just kept taking the top players on my list over and over and over again and i was thrilled yeah it was it was pretty cool when that carlo trade went through because jesse and i were like oh they're gonna pick like three four times this round this is great like the third round was awesome it was four out of 15 picks yeah something yeah it was cool is the third round what won it for you or was it the belecky oh yeah i mean i i love balecki i was at the mem cup in colona a few weeks ago so i saw him there quite a bit uh i i love balecki his combination of size his vision is special and he can make that that one move at

Starting point is 01:56:03 the blue line make a defender miss and he's he's up in the offense uh love the player love that second round pick but the third round we just kept taking my top guys and i was thrilled awesome i love if you don't mind me asking what do you do in your everyday life because all you do is dedicate your time to scouting i know you got i assume you got a full-time gig with it you're not doing hockey stuff yeah yeah i i work in real estate um yeah but honestly every lunch period i'm turning on whatever european hockey games on and i get home and if there's not a leafs game i'm watching ohl qmjhl ncaa whatever's on whatever the top prospects are playing so that's what i'm doing every day that's incredible yeah that's very very cool somebody needs somebody

Starting point is 01:56:47 needs to pick you up god i love it took his like like even if it like the passion alone no yeah working in the league like this is insane you you took your vacation time and your money and just went to the mem cup because that's what i'm assuming you do that most years actually my first time there my good buddy jordan yeah he's an altrician he moved out there a few years ago so he was there mem cup was there it was a perfect combination Have you had any outreach from any teams, be they junior or professional, and you don't have to say what league, to say, wait, let's chat? You know, and I'll say this into the camera, I'm available. I've had a lot of radio shows, a lot of podcasts, a few prospect sites reach out, and I'm super grateful.

Starting point is 01:57:35 I know the thing I'm even most grateful for is so many people that I've looked up to and I've learned from now follow me on Twitter and have been messaging me about prospects and that has been so so cool I think one of the funniest moments is I mean I didn't think this would be such like a big of a thing it was the sixth round who's even watching anymore but after the draft me and my buddies go to a bar and we walk in and the waitress immediately says that's the clipboard guy yeah and everyone starts cheering and i'm like i guess this is a little bigger of a deal than i thought oh yeah so we gotta make cbg t-shirts that's right yeah the board guy what what's his twitter and i'm following him right now uh it is thank you josh it is i'm just looking

Starting point is 01:58:17 it up because i just see your name in my in our chat uh it is josh where is it i'm gonna unfollow josh i have too many josh could probably say it at josh underscore live he's right here yeah probably say is twitter him no no no he's he's done more than enough he's fine um uh josh we hope that you end up working for one of these prospect sites or one of these teams or whatever because that this is the way it starts people always ask like hey how did you how do you get into sports whether that's on the broadcasting side or the or the business side or the scouting side whatever it starts with i really effing love this and you can't stop me from loving this and i don't know what else to do with my spare time i love this so much yeah right i mean that's how

Starting point is 01:58:57 we all got started i mean steve you started on youtube when no one knew what it was on a webcam that your your your then girlfriend now wife bought you for like 19 yeah no there's nothing about uh the beginning or middle or right now of my career that makes any sense so freaking whatever you want to do dude go for it like you this is so um this reminds me of like hockey twitter like 15 years ago like you're you're the kind of person that makes the online hockey community go around like we need you know at the end of the day i i think especially online especially when it comes to like niche stuff i think you just need a select group of people who are absolutely obsessed and that's you like what you do is special and i'm i'm glad people are

Starting point is 01:59:51 are seeing that yeah i'm lucky enough that my fiance is a youtuber so i got this whole recording studio in my guest room that's great oh no way what does she do she makes like retrospective um video essays on relationships we saw growing up as a kid on like television oh that's sick that's cool do you want to shout out her channel just sure yeah caitlin mckillop on youtube and tiktok all right okay awesome we will thank you josh josh josh lebfeld uh please Follow him, Josh, on Twitter. Be on the lookout for his prospect rankings, which I'm sure you've already got next year's list published. Right, Josh?

Starting point is 02:00:27 Like you're already out there. But thanks so much for joining us. Thanks so much for listening and being such a great guy. Congrats on the viral success, man. I hope it's parlayed into something. It really seems like you deserve it. Thank you so much. I actually have something quick to show you.

Starting point is 02:00:41 Oh, give it to me. So a lot of people probably tell you all the time that they're day one fans of your podcast. Oh, but I wonder how many people have. steve as a child oh boy i don't know if you can remember the joke behind this okay but it's one of the first pieces or two of merch you ever put out oh my god that's producer chris days that is yeah i think producer chris made that shirt he did yeah damn oh my god yeah i haven't seen one of those shirts in a long time i don't even have one of those you're a day one you are yeah not not to make steve feel old here but i started watching

Starting point is 02:01:21 you when i was in elementary school that's nice that's nice that's great that's cool man you are old as shit look at you that's great man incredible josh yeah that's incredible yeah that's incredible no you truly are day one if you got a steve's pb sure yeah let it be known our listeners are smart finally or at least one of them is yep the one we found the one we found one thanks so much buddy the steve dangle podcast follow the guys on twitter at steve underscore dangle at adam w y l d e and at jesse blake connection complete real canadian superstore has everything you need this back to school season save on lunchbox savers like ziggy sliced deli meat products for always 375 and get

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