The Steve Dangle Podcast - Conor, Connor, & Connors | November 1, 2024

Episode Date: November 1, 2024

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download that. TaskRabbit.ca. Code Dangle. Two in five Canadians will hear the words, you have cancer. That's why every step and dollar raised matters. On September 19th, join thousands in Toronto for the Princess Margaret Cancer Foundation Walk. Challenge yourself friends and family to walk 21 kilometers in support of life-saving research together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcf walk.ca steve the other day you announced your halifax book tour appearance yes book tour we received two emails okay from concerned people from halifax got it uh i'm behind on episodes so You may have already caught this, but in case you didn't,

I was just listening to the beginning of the October 29th SDP episode where Steve and Adam are discussing Steve's Halifax book tour appearance locations, and you mentioned Indigo on Spring Garden Road. This is from Jack. I live off Spring Garden, and to my knowledge, there isn't an Indigo retail location there. There is, however, a company that runs parking garages called Indigo, and they have a Spring Garden location.

Just wanted to flag in case no one else has, didn't want Steve to end up in Four Seasons' total landscaping situation. have a good one jack other email that's the address i was given other email from scott hey on the most recent show you mentioned your halifax book signing would take place at an indigo on spring garden road the indigo on spring garden road is an indigo parking garage your halifax events is scheduled at the chapters on chain lake drive and your dartmouth event is scheduled at the indigo in mcmack mall thanks looking forward to seeing you that is hilarious so scott and jack thank you for emailing in from halifax correcting steve that hopefully he doesn't show up at a

parking garage i used to live near chain lake drive in bears lake that's bears lake i mentioned that mall i used to i used to i part garage well it's it's it's like a strip it's like more of a strip mall but yes i used to live there i it was clayton park baby damn it that's how you used to live i was like i didn't just look it up so go so wait where oh god so i next episode on monday you're gonna come back with the right details okay uh is that cool yeah is that they gave out where the actual i can read it again where scott said the actual uh indigo event is your halifax event is scheduled at chapters on chain lake drive and your dartmouth event is scheduled that indigo and mcmall according to scott but you need to confirm with your publisher which the actual

indigos are but i assume scott knows where the indigos are in his town uh okay uh halifax chapters cool on their facebook yep uh this is the 188 chain lake drive yeah so scott you nailed it oh shit thank you for the correction yeah that's funny please give out the right address to everybody you already told where it is uh 88 chain lake drive everybody all right shall we get to the show. Yeah, let's do it. Why not? Spank Andy.

Woo! S-D-P-P. The Steve Dangle Podcast with your hosts, Steve Dangle, Adam Wilde, and Jesse Blake. Let's go!

All right. All right. Yes, Jesse's got the heart. So, anybody that doesn't know what Jesse is holding up there and anybody listening, there is a piece of,

it's just a piece of wood and it says hard on it. And the reason it says hard on it is that you keep saying hard on hard on wood. The reason that we're making boon jokes to start the show is that at our event on Sunday night in Oshawa, we had somebody bring us this that they made on their patio. Now, what's interesting about this is there was obviously a chain that we made fun of. Well, that made fun of we laughed with, I think. it's hilarious we shouted out the minnesota wild who are the best dude bros ever because they made a chain that said hard and every time somebody's the player of the game they gotta put on a chain

that says i'm hard yeah yeah they're the hard player so i think what we need to do with that is we need to have like a chain with it and then we assign it to whoever is the most insane fan at one of our live shows you get the yeah you're the hardest fan of the show yeah yeah so anyway now by the way the name of the person is on the back and you know how bad evan names evan yeah yeah thank you evan yeah evan made this on his balcony he made two actually um he made one for us and then one that we could sign and then he has one yeah so yeah shout out evan and we signed it and then he's like mad dog get over here yeah maddie signed it as well but like yeah apparently it was really hard to make the stencil and like oh i bet a couple different trials getting the

write stencil and all this stuff and yeah shout out you evan you did a fantastic job with you know he spent like a full day of like his weekend doing that yeah oh yeah i was like man that's so cool thank you for doing that to be so hard yeah just to be freaking turgid let's go anyway uh that's uh jesse has it now standing at the end of the table you know that the first time steve loses it today it's fallen down i'm excited for that moment sorry in advance to subwoofer guy yeah uh now i'm not yesterday uh well first off i should mention that we have a live show coming up on tuesday november the 12th um yesterday at the shoeless joe's at 249 queens key uh jesse you did a little site check yeah i was down there i met birdie uh who runs the place shout out birdie

and i got to try one of the menu items because i was i sat down i was like i'll have lunch here too since i'm here and they have which i didn't know what that shoeless joe's makes a chicken cordon blue oh really yeah i love chicken cordon bleu are you serious i will i saw it on the menu i was like this is serious you guys make this and like yeah we make this and it was fantastic what is a chicken cordon i will look at it i know of it yeah so it was like it's panko chicken they did it and so slightly breaded and it is sliced over um a bed of mashed potatoes with uh cheddar cheese and maple bacon sauce and it was oh so like are you like are you i'm not i'm serious right now it's unbelievable and then i also got it because this is how it comes uh with the side of vegetables

you can get roasted vegetables but you can also switch out that side if you're more of like a fries guy yeah and and here you go a cordon bleu or schnitzel cordon bleu is a dish of meat in this case chicken uh wrapped around cheese and with ham on the inside as well yeah um and then breaded and pan fried or deep fried yeah it was the sauce that comes next to it was fantastic i just kept you know when you just just mince that that the chicken in the sauce oh rub it all over and the chicken gets all saucy kept doing that over and over until there's nothing left almost lick the plate um then the mashed potatoes were very creamy and the vegetables very nice very nice roasted that would be alex feinberg uh head of uh the head chef at foodtastic uh slash shoeless joes

who uh came up with that he's a big sdp listener and he loves to basically he creates all this stuff in his kitchen yeah at home in i believe in like the kitchener waterloo area and then he's like and then he brings them he's like this is going to be on our fall menu and that's i want you guys the day we have the event to order it and just try oh i'll chicken cordon bleu yeah you didn't have to ask me to i'm doing it so uh we'll see you there tickets are 10 bucks uh you can buy a ticket for a guaranteed spot now or you just pay at the door um and we'll see you there november 12th that's pre leafs sends game and remember shoeless joes is the place to go at queen's key before and after the game because you can go there for a drink whatever easy walk over

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Yes. Very, very important. Now, that was, your dad is yeah coming out of you no thank you you're acting like that's an insult yeah that's crazy now now listen we have a thing on this show and it dates back to when thomas vanik was dealt by the buffalo sabers it's a long long time ago the show has been on the air for a

while and and the thing is that we talk about something that may or may not happen and immediately and we go in depth about what happens if it doesn't happen and then immediately after the show is put out the thing that we talked about for a good chunk of the episode happens uh last episode we went in depth on hey what if the Leafs kept Timothy Lilligren what would that look like what are they really going to trade him for Ole Matta only got a third Ole Matta got a third though that's pretty good could the Leafs get that for Lilligren he's only played one game this year and we found out timothy lilligren was traded to the san jose sharks for a third and 25 a sixth and 26 which makes them easy to remember both of those picks way better than that montreal

2026 second round pick i'm just throwing that out there true and uh matt benning as well who's played over 440 games in the nhl right shot defenseman big guy just had hip surgery 30 years old he's a guy that actually the leafs were interested in like five years ago to acquire as like a depth piece at the deadline. Yeah, a hip surgery will change things. Sure, sure. But I think he was thrown in there to help make the money work a little bit.

They can bury the majority of his contract. I think he makes 1.25. They can bury 1.1 of that. I think at this stage in both of their careers, I'd rather have Connor Timmons, but whatever. They mentioned yesterday that Benning could get flipped. Yes, he might. CJ Show did mention that.

And until he is flipped, he will marry number 55, last born by mark giordano oh cj show mentioned that he could get flipped yeah oh forget the tsn part yeah yeah exactly sorry that's the only place i heard it was on the cj so he could get flipped because the leafs in this trade they freed up some cap space if they send benning down but they also didn't free up any roster spots because they took a player back and now they've assigned hawk and paw and doer to conditioning stints so they've delayed the return of those two gentlemen a little bit here, but eventually they're going to need a roster spot. So something's

afoot. And conditioning stints are two weeks. So we may not know about this until two weeks from now. That's right. Right. So it could be a while. They keep here. I think what we should do on day 13 is go in depth about it and then watch them. Metal clinking against concrete. That's them kicking the can

down the road. I like that. Just another couple weeks. They're good at that. In the immortal words of Lou Lamorello, if you have the time, use it. Sign it to seven years. Yeah. Yeah. Sign it. If you have time, make sure that you get more time. Send it to the minors. So Timothy Lilligrant.

And it was interesting to hear Craig Berube talk about it because Tim's agent was interviewed. And Craig Berube said this, looking back at training camp, I think guys just outplayed him a little bit. He's got the ability. He can skate and move the puck. I wish him all the best.

It just didn't work out here. That's the best way I can put it. And his agent kind of spoke about it and said that it was stressful, that it was, you know, packing things up. But at the same time, you know, he definitely, he probably wanted this. Well, his agent confirmed he wanted this. And you're still shaken by the phone call when you get traded, I think.

I don't think that part's easy. But I think that this instantly puts him in top four, if not top two territory in San Jose. And if he can or if he can't, we'll know. Yeah, I mean, I get sad. Every time someone who's been, like, with the Leafs for a while. drafted developed drafted i get sad and like this is a trade that i wanted to happen and the leafs got way more for him than i thought obviously based on last show so why am i sad i don't know i just feel like i think you're sad at the lost opportunity for both sides for yes that's 100

percent it uh for both sides uh i i feel um there's regret to go around and i also love how classy he was about it like the agent did say one thing that i think we'll probably get to again you know the leafs not exactly like liking him which i thought was pretty funny yeah but uh he was honest he didn't play well enough um you know they developed him won a calder cup here which mean meant something to me um you know i think i think a lot of this got set into motion when rasmus sandin got traded i think that broke his heart a little bit um you know it it's also kind of heartbreaking that the this contingent of like the swedish takeover that the leaf sort of had in their prospect pool for a while is sort of

over you know it was it was willie it was sandin it was engvall it was lilligren it was dimitri timoshev was part of that for a while as well i'm trying to think of other guys i might have missed um it just i don't know it made me sad for the guy but like objectively this is the right move for both teams the leafs were not going to use him he lost his spot in camp he did poorly um and uh you know i i did say something in the lfr that i rubbed some people the wrong way but i'm gonna stand by it and and and let me but let me explain it controversial steve no no let me because i said he had two coaches and two gms who he lost favor with and i stand by that it's totally true um he had dubas and he had keef and he obviously fell out of favor with keef

or at very least keef didn't play him every single game like it was crazy to me that even up until last year he hadn't played himself into a position where he's playing absolutely every night like dude you can't be getting taken out at three million bucks you definitely can't be getting taken out and then Brad Treliving has had him for over a year and then I said Craig Berube and people were like well geez that's a bit tough uh no you have the whatever it is two three weeks in camp and in spring uh not spring training sorry in um pre-season to impress them and be like here's why I should be here he did the opposite of that and it wasn't just me and it wasn't just Craig and if Justin Bourne I remember and maybe not everyone saw it because

it was a pre-season game had a great intermission breakdown uh on Sportsnet where he was just like i don't i'm not impressed with this player he's making bad decisions you don't want him out there uh when you have a lead you don't want him out there when you're behind so what what do you do here right right so if lilligren at 25 years old really develops into his own in san jose one no one will be surprised uh and two i i really think it needs to be remembered that he's not in toronto anymore for a reason yeah man i know i think to support your point craig berube has has been here a little bit now like he's he's had the full training couple months and and he's had a couple games and nick robertson did the exact opposite of timothy lilligren like there is an example of

what you can do yes when given an opportunity he hasn't been producing on the stat sheet but what he did in preseason and training camp is he worked really hard he put up points there but the hard work and the mentality and just the skill he had he displayed during that period allowed him to gain favor with the coach and now the coach coach trusts him to be there in big moments it's earned him this team yeah it's earned him some exactly and lilligren had that opportunity time and time again with the leafs because he's been here for a while and through with this head coach he could have performed better in preseason and he at the beginning of the season like he wasn't given that opportunity because he wasn't good then and that's his own play it's not on management that

he didn't earn that spot the money factors in and like i don't know if timmons is miles better than lilligran but the problem is timmons makes less than half um here's what peter wallen who is lilligran's agent had to say that that uh steve alluded to he said he's always been on alert somehow he's always needed to prove himself to the leafs we always felt they didn't really really like him they liked him but they didn't love him i don't know and so uh that's yeah that's not the kind of player you need um like like can you read the the quote again it's all he's always been on alert somehow he's always needed to prove himself to the leafs uh we always felt they didn't really really like him they liked him but they didn't love him i don't know this is the national hockey

yeah and like what yeah that's my you always need to prove yourself yeah what are you talking about they spent a first round pick on you they brought you to north america immediately yeah you won a cup with them um like listen i'm not gonna sit here and pretend like over the years we didn't go dude what the hell like what does lilligren got to do to be playing games over justin hall and there were times where he a million percent deserved to be playing games overhaul where he wasn't and i can understand how that might screw with the person's confidence and it's not like i don't ever have like questions of confidence in myself but like the best athletes in this sport have a deeply ingrained belief in themselves that um gets them over the top so i'm never

gonna fault any agent for defending their no hell no saying something publicly that supports their player like yeah like just pencil that in they're gonna do that so i think that makes sense and that's as gentle a criticism of the leafs as i've ever heard an agent say but maybe that's just because we hang out with walsh and he's also being paid to say things like that yeah so yeah that's his job yeah uh and timothy lilligren let someone i know make three million dollars and employ me I will defend the hell out of them. Are you kidding? Timothy Lilligren was drafted ahead of Josh Norris, Robert Thomas,

Philip Heidel, Jake Ottinger. I mean, even Morgan Frost. Here, give me a defenseman. A defenseman? Yeah, because all those guys. So he was drafted just after Yusuf Alamaki, Eric Brandstrom, and Cal Foote. So the draft was going all defense at that point. So from 15 to 18.

I'm not going to lie. he worked out better than most of the names you just mentioned pierre olivia uh olivia joseph was drafted after him uh henry yokiharu in chicago he's okay uh he's played a lot more games connor timmons in first pick of the second round actually that's hilarious nicholas hag in vegas third pick oh yeah gustav lindstrom but then where like how far down are you going now you're going far but i don't you know what's interesting though is that mario ferraro was picked uh 49th which would have been great you know i i look at i look at the i look at the leafs here and go okay it's he was supposed to go top five that was a shock that he fell that far he made the right they made

the right you had to try considering like they they got william nylander i like i i discovered this or reminded myself of this while shooting the lilligran trade video the leafs first round picks go as follows 2014 William Nylander 2015 Mitch Marner 2016 Austin Matthews 2017 Timothy Lilligrant right so we're looking at this rebuild and we're going you know you might look at that and go oh just get the best player get the best forward dude like 2012 was Morgan Riley that was the last defenseman they picked first round then it was Freddie the goat Willie Mitch Austin uh even like Korshkov was first pick of the second round in 2016. It's all they were daft in the way they drafted for a while there.

The Mark Hunter drafts were not very good. Well, despite, despite what was, was propagated by one member of the media that people swallowed hook, line and sinker, uh, outside of the first rounds,

Mark Hunter didn't have a great draft record here. And, you know, guys like who you just mentioned Korshkov, like, what do we, what, what was the stat that went around?

I think it was Josh Clokey. Um, Like, out of the 2017 and 2018 drafts, the only guy left is Pontus Holmberg or something like that. It's really not good. But they needed a defenseman. And how long have they needed a right-handed defenseman? It's the 2017 draft.

We just watched Eric Carlson basically Hercules the Sens to nearly the Stanley Cup final. And this kid falls into the Leafs' laps at 17, and we're like, well, you're not going to take him. Yeah. Like, you have to. He was the right pick. I think things cannot work out and it'd still be the right decision at the time.

And I think that the agents saying the Leafs liked him but they didn't love him, I think it was because in big moments he made big mistakes. And at the beginning of last season, Steve took a lot of heat, and I think this is worth bringing up, for saying, we've got to find out what Timothy Lilligren is. Are you a top four defenseman or are you a waiver guy? and the reality is we still don't know the answer to that we don't even it's not that i don't think he's quite waver guy i'm pretty confident like this is a great i i i like the draft capital

of the leaf scott this is freaking great for lilligran's career yes so i'm confident he will not be waver guy for at least a few years like even if things don't work out right here he was dangerously close to being waiver guy if he didn't make three million bucks he a million percent would have been waiver guy if he didn't shoot right-handed he would have been right waiver guy mm-hmm yeah oh well like it happens i don't i don't begrudge that like a lot of people like this guy he had a lot of good numbers um in sheltered third pair minutes and he was the king of giving you two weeks of this guy's going to be a god hockey and then he'd get exposed like he was he was one of many prospects uh over the matthews era who would tease you and tantalize you

and and sink more than swim more often than not over the long term right right um a lot of defenseman like that so so the deal has happened matt benning is a leaf the third and the six rounders relief picks and i would imagine that that third round becomes pretty valuable come trade deadline yeah i i in my video i went over like some of the trades that were made at last year's deadline vladimir teresenko uh who won a cup with the panthers was had for a third and a fourth carolina got labushkin for a third um tyler toffoli went to the jets for a second and a third Carolina got LeBushkin for a third? I thought he was a Leaf.

Not last year. Wait, or was it last year? No. Huh? Wasn't Bush a Leaf? Am I losing my mind? Maybe I'm wrong. What did you say, Steve?

I said LeBushkin to the Hurricanes. Wasn't LeBushkin a Leaf? Maybe I misread the thing that I saw. Anyway, Jesse will look that up. Joel Edmondson was a third and a fifth. Right. So, I mean, yeah. Is that going to get you a superstar at the deadline?

No. But it's just something that helps you along the way. Yeah, LeBushkin never played for the Hurricanes. Yeah, I thought that was weird. Oh, well. Yeah, he was on the Leafs last year. Yeah. I know people are like, can you take 20 seconds to Google things?

But it's 20 seconds times 100. Yeah. You don't realize how many things are said. I fucked up. I'm sorry. That's okay. Oh, Steve, you should live in that shape forever. I will.

Yeah, I don't think it matters. The point is that when we've got... It was a third, though, wasn't it? I don't know. Probably was. The point is, I think the Leafs went into this year thinking, we hope that we don't have to make a move at the deadline for a defenseman, a depth defenseman.

In fact, I think if they're going to make a move for anything, it's going to be a center. I think they're making a move for a center at some point. Unless Domi's looked pretty good on that third line. I think he's probably better suited at the wing. But I will take that. I would love for them to add to depth scoring at the deadline. Steve?

Yes. Let's clarify. and give you some credit because he kind of was a hurricane oh the ducks acquired uh carill slept from the hurricanes for labushkin who then they flipped to toronto for a sixth round pick so the way that toronto got elia labushkin last february was in a three-way deal via the Carolina Hurricanes. But no third was involved there.

I used NHLTradeTracker.com which separated all of it. So maybe I just misread it. No third, but he came to the lease via the Hurricanes. There you go. And I dropped my poppy. Oh man, wow.

First one. How long did it take? Disrespectful of the veterans. Can you imagine? I don't know where it is. okay you just here watch it all set up the next topic i'll set up the next topic lumos sometimes life throws your curveballs and you don't have time to get to them and that's where task rabbit comes in and i think you should check this out because here's the deal one of the things one of the weird quirks about my condo building is that they use my floor to repel down and clean all the windows but they never clean my windows oh and they're way around on that it's like well

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So before the game yesterday, William Nylander told the media that he's trying to speak Craig Berube, giving him more time on the ice into existence. His ice time is down two minutes a game currently versus what it was last year. And it's interesting because he's been very, very, very good. Currently, he leads the Maple Leafs in goals, points, plus, minus, and game winners, which I think is important. uh plus minus less important but eight goals 12 points plus seven two game winners not bad no could be worse could be i mean yeah could be way worse he could be not scoring like that and we could be in trouble and that devars line would not be working out yeah but um so so here's the thing yesterday he had a great offensive game but he had some bad defensive gaps yes and that's

what year is this i know right and it was it was interesting because you know he they were trying to get him the goal at the end of the game and i thought and we'll talk about the leafs generally but i wanted to start with neil enter because he made the headlines um he like the leafs played a really complete game and the guy that got shouted at the most for the bad giveaways that first off the bad penalty hand over puck can't do that oh that was so dumb i forgot to mention in the And then the giveaway where Berube yells at him when he comes back to the bench. He needs to be, he's always, always,

I don't know why people are acting surprised. He's always been the kind of player who needs to be grabbed by the collar a little bit sometimes and woken up. Like he's out there, he's so talented that he could effortlessly go out there and get three points and get two goals. and probably be the game's MVP like Riley got the team belt last night and I'm pretty sure that's

because Willie had it from the game before yeah and he gave it to Riley for setting him up with a nice pass for a goal Tavares had it the game before oh he did yeah oh well then Tavares because he had the hat trick right right yeah right but Willie had a really good game too the whole line had a really good game back-to-back really good games uh for that line um the only time the only season in recent memory I can't really think of Willie needing to be like slapped awake by his coach almost always Sheldon Keefe was last year and that might have had something to do with the generational wealth contract the largest contract in Toronto Maple Leafs history that was potentially looming if he did a good job so he's obviously great he's great William Nylander

is capable of better i i gotta remind everyone of the way we were talking about willie last year coming out of sweden heading into sweden he was doing very well in sweden he might have been their best player and oh he was he was yeah and in the month or so that followed we were like this guy is the one of the best players in the national hockey league right now and that's not how we spoke about him before we oh he's one of the best leaves he's the third best forward on the team is he or isn't he better than marner you know yeah yeah but even that even that was mostly well marner's better most up until last year hundred percent that's what it was and any any other uh recollection of that is revisionist history right it wasn't until last year we were like oh oh i think one might be

better than the other and it's opposite of what we thought right he's capable of being one of the best players in the national hockey league and Craig Berube's job beyond X's and O's is to bring up the best in his players. William Nylander in some ways is his greatest challenge. Like here, here it is. If you do a good enough job, this guy is not only going to be one of the best players in the NHL for you. He's also going to be your best playoff performer. And we know that because he consistently has been he's his greatest challenge in some ways yeah Perube's got a job to do and he's doing it let him cook yep absolutely absolutely um worth mentioning uh Max Pacioretty has four points in his last two games last night guys he hit a career high which

he's only done twice uh seven hits dude I didn't know he was like this well he talked about it before the game like it was an adjustment that he made right but there's i'm going to send jesse over this hit and i think you guys will remember this where he put one of the kraken players into the into the into the bench and i he said look out there's a new leaf in town leaf legend jared mccann i have to say it was really nice not to get lit up by a former leaf last night oh so good so good does that feel good does that feel yeah they're just like a yarn croak wasn't in the lineup or it would have been worse right yeah but I can legend Kelly

Earnbrook I think you know so there was this hit and then there was this play pause it on the moment he bends in half yeah because it's not a fun bend feels like it hurts feels like this hurts it looks like it

hurts oh my god it looks like one of those Halloween decorations where there's two legs just hanging out the back of a truck somewhere you know what I mean no one knows it's coming like I think that's Tanev on the bench. He's like, oh, Jesus, Max. That looks like Bobby McMahon, I'm not sure, or Benny?

Yeah. Like, everyone looks shocked, except for Willie, who doesn't give a shit. And McCann is not anticipating this check coming at all. Right. And what I found interesting in the way Max has handled this is he's not going to, like, lay you out the way Jake McCabe will. So what he does is he'll hit, like, a shoulder,

and that's enough well except for this but if you're in a corner you're playing a board game whatever he will hit your shoulder enough to move your hand and stick off the puck yeah right it's it's it's clinical hits rather than big time like lay you out on the ice dion for enough style otherwise known as a hit right like the way hits are tallied is so dumb um but it's supposed to be if i'm not mistaken it's like making body contact that removes the puck from your opponent right now this is a little different on account of the puck is long gone right right now it is it is real close to interference but it's uh holy shit he breaks that man in half no jesse look at how much bigger he is holy shit jesse i've got the other play that i wanted to highlight for

max patch already here because he is you know he's the he's the one on the line that hasn't scored in the last two games and they've had crazy opportunities i don't think he gives a shit no i don't think he cares either but he he does little things and they highlighted this on the broadcast and tic-tac-toe mar had it on his twitter i'm like i'm so glad he he had this because i wanted to freeze frame this the protection and you'll see william nylander go and score a goal after this watch if you if you just forward this a little bit if you can jump forward so there's actually further back further back further back back yeah so watch the way patch ready is defending he's got two kraken in on him and he use it right there everly's behind him he's using his ass he's

also using the lines he's also using the lines but he's using his butt to be like no you can't and willie's gonna catch up and then if you go right to like towards the you know four or five seconds in the future here you're gonna see him push it forward uh seattle defenseman sort of over commits and he's able to get it past him as well and then Nylander jumps in and takes the puck I think it was something Mike Johnson brought up like uh he just sort of set up as a tripod like one one thing when this line was put together I'm like okay who's doing the work though um and I wasn't familiar enough with Max Pacioretty's game apparently like I didn't know he could grind like this it's i a player who can who can change what they do entirely

is gonna last so long in this league we talked about cory perry that's him he was heart trophy guy he was lead your team and scoring guy and his transition to third or fourth line bane of your existence has been the stuff of legend if max patch ready can have a similar renaissance as you know you're no longer you might score 30 but you're no longer dependent on for it if you're just a half a point a game maybe a little bit above that battering ram and you're not costing your team dumb penalties you're not um a defensive liability every team in the league needs that look at the luke the luke chenissance the luke chenissance you know what i mean so good right like he look at how his look at how his life changed in vancouver and then i well tampa bay

vancouver and then toronto and then he goes and signs that gigantic contract in nashville which he deserves and has lived up to something about vancouver makes a defenseman go all right i gotta get my shit together and with luke chen it was there and with oel it was okay i never want to go through that again yes yes um Tavares when he is on the ice this year oh my god the Leafs have scored 11 goals they have only allowed two five on five in 11 games that's and that's a guy that we were on six days ago of like what the hell what's going on here like I I think overall like even when we were dumping on him he was a positive um that's not enough being a positive is not enough um he's i mean if he if he's not performing the whole team falls down like all of a sudden

it's easier to key in on the top line it's easier to to just shut the whole offense down which puts stress on the defense which puts stress on the goalies um when he's performing at least during the regular season which we're currently in they're a really difficult team to beat if the leafs have two lines going that means you have to have at least two lines going and not every team can not every team can stack their first two lines up against what the leafs have they're in a good spot matthew nye scored his sixth in 10 games goofy or is it 11 um doesn't matter 11 11 games uh and then immediately the tsn panel goes to so what's his next deal look like which i respect uh darren drager said it'll likely be a bridge deal and listen i'm sure

that uh someone in in in nize's team tipped him off to that and that's fine uh but guys i do want to say i'm gonna keep bringing it up until it's true remember how i told you jake sanderson money for this guy would that be so bad i i mean i think more dylan genther probably yeah what what's like i mean sanderson's eight i think and get through seven but also his agent's not going to walk in there and be like my power forward client is the same as jake sanderson you're gonna lose use the comparable is gonna be again through yeah right um so it sort of depends on what he does i mean i'm you know who i'm pretty sure um was pretty pissed about the alexi lafreniere extension was matthew nye's agent like oh fuck i gotta go in there and argue that my client's better than

and you can't and you can't yeah and i think if the deal is seven million bucks i don't know what the cap looks like next year for the least but at the deal for my eyes is seven million over eight uh i think you do that deal okay i don't want to be this person um it might be a bit difficult to conduct long-term business when you have Marner and Tavares hanging over the franchise. Those are two very, very, very large decisions that need to be made.

Yeah, I think that's why Nyes will have to wait. I think you get Nyes done regardless. Oh, do you? He's that good. He's disgusting. They haven't had a player like him in a very long time. What if his manager's like, nah, it's okay, we'll wait?

That would probably be the smart thing to do and don't show them this show. now uh the matthews goal towards the end of the game oh my god is worth revisiting but i would like to gentlemen and jesse i have this uh uh in in our text chat here uh i would like to revisit the plays that led to the matthews because the matthews goal on its own is crazy the geometry we'll talk about it sure but there is some commitment from his line mates and i'm going to use that word commitment that i have not seen the toronto maple leafs do simply in this generation well you know what it was um and it wasn't it's not

something we've seen from the leafs very much in the entire matthews era babcock did this keith did this um it would be two members of the top line plus guy i trust because the top line almost always featured guy i don't trust like for example the leafs have a lead in the third period do you know at some point 15 minutes left 10 minutes left eight minutes left sorry michael bunting you're gonna ride pine or play on the third line and guy i trust is gonna come up is probably Kerfoot or like someone else is going to take your spot there's a few minutes left in the game the Leafs are defending a two goal lead and I'm like huh that's just the first line isn't that so lovely and refreshing now look at that which there's all three of them you've got a puck

against the boards and one of the things Jesse you you've mentioned this uh and they were mentioning this over the training camp is board battles Berube loves to practice these right yeah yeah Yeah, no, definitely. And you got Mitch displaying that right there. Like he's working real hard to get this puck and Matthew's coming up for support to grab it. Yeah. And he kicks it loose.

And this was really great work. And Mitch, believe it or not, you could see, you know, two Seattle guys on him and he's pushing them. They're like, they're moving back. He's moving forward, which is crazy. There's a tenacity and a willingness to use his body in Mitch's game this season that has not been there before.

and so jesse if you could fast forward this a little bit to when the puck squirts out and i want you to watch not matthews because matthews does help mitch dig this out gourd and i think that's mccann are on him and you know matthews marner board play can you imagine matthews gets it over to nize here now yeah nize is hey pass me the puck guy yeah out of those three now there are five leafs condensed into that spot so so but there are five crack in two so it's just the way the play went but if you look at what nize does next watch 23 here because seattle actually gets control of this puck and look at what nize does what does he do uses his body and pushes the guy over he's a truck he just so the guy has the puck and i don't know what the

guy's name or number is i can't really tell it doesn't matter well yeah because nize is engulfing him matt the the puck is turned over to seattle at the blue line jordan eberly is right there if You can get the puck to him. It's a one-on-one, but they can't because Nyes goes, I'm going to run you over. And then that allows Matthews, the room, to carry it across the blue line and shoot. And leading up to this,

and I think this is important context if you missed the game, Nylander had tried several times to get his hat-trick goal, but the Kraken were all over him. And I was like, guys, this is getting ridiculous. Just flip and score. And then the Kraken scored and wrecked wall shutout.

Now, a lot of people were getting on Nylander for that. No, no, you try to get him. you try to get him it but also um if you don't want that to happen you don't put domi out there with him yeah because domi's gonna be like that's my guy that's my guy domi shooting never crossed his mind yeah yeah it's domi yeah he's gonna try to get willie the hattie absolutely and then because he's a great teammate and then it's not a criticism on account of they won the reason it might have turned into a criticism if they didn't the reason that uh that puck was even in the zone where matthews and marner had to dig it out is because 20 seconds before that matthews had a

chance to clear and he didn't and so that that part the commitment to capture the play again mitch pushing two guys along the boards matthews going in helping him out actually giving the puck away nice crushing a seattle player at the blue line you could see it and then matthews and then we'll talk about the bank shot oh i will let you guys take the bank shot i just think those two at least needed a little bit of a shout out before we talk about geometry i mean it's an empty netter and you don't want to overly be like oh my gosh and fawn over an empty netter the huevos the balls to be like i can do this this is a good idea look at where he's looking he's not close to the center ice line this is going to be icing and it's going to be icing with probably a minute 40 to go in the

third period of a two goal game after a hard shift too that is easily a scenario you could screw up and teams have screwed up this season in recent memory not only does it go in it goes dead center of the net he's worked on this this is something no i'm serious like this is definitely something he's tried like just screwing around because he knows he's going to be out there in these scenarios and there are going to be times where this is just straight up a practical thing to do well it was there it was yes this was not a hope and a prayer this was a highly skilled highly prepared player scoring a sick empty netter as sick as sick as an empty netter can be adam you you watched it in real time what was your reaction i was like what the hell are you

doing yeah i thought it was icing i'm like ah shit jesse also i don't want to burst your bubble but every nhl player could do that if if like set in practice it's like nba players like if you ask them to make a half court shot outside of a game every nba player could do it right in a game yeah Yeah, that's the impressive part, that he did it mid-game. But the idea that everybody on the ice couldn't bank a pocket. Logan Stanley cannot do this, Jesse. Logan Stanley cannot do this. 100% he could.

No, he can't. 100% he can't. No, he can't. If you sent Logan Stanley— Matt Rempe cannot do this. If Matt Rempe showed up to your beer league, he'd be— He's a professional hockey player. If Matt Rempe showed up to your beer league, he'd be ripping Michigans.

Yeah. No, 100%. To a beer league? That's what I'm saying. I'm talking about, can you do it during the game? Yeah, yeah. no the the idea of doing it during a game is is it's wild like all credit to matthews but like the idea of being able to do it like the in a game in a game okay he did it in a game yeah yeah no

it's every pre-season someone shows me highlights of ben simmons hitting threes exactly and then every regular season he doesn't freaking do it okay he also has to play games so well there's that yeah so well there's so many games but i don't know like i've just i i can't remember a player ever doing this uh matthew nye said uh that uh math austin matthews told me ace geometry which i loved good good good word matt good work college um there's that college and there was a clip floating around i don't know if you guys saw this of tavaris giving matthew nye's shit for being on his phone all the time and he's like he doesn't have a whole lot going on upstairs and he starts laughing i was like oh john yeah he's always on his phone he's probably playing the

minions game or something it was enough clowning around it was a uh it was a game where the the leafs got to take advantage of the fact that seattle were missing their best two defensemen and they're two of the best defensemen montour and done they didn't look very good they didn't look very good but the the back to sort of what i was saying that keyword commitment there is a commitment from this team and i know that there's probably a little work to do on the third line uh the power play is second last in the entire league uh but i feel like where the wheels are turning again and i want to ask you guys what you saw because i felt at very least the power play switch up where they started willie and john's line it looked good it didn't score yeah but i

The power play that went out, what was it, middle of the game-ish, they had a Max Domi post and a play where Pacioretty had his hands in the air because he thought he scored. So there's definitely positive momentum there where you had two almost goals. But at the end of the day, they didn't score. And if your power play is bottom part of the league, that's a serious problem because that can sink you, not only in the regular season, but in the playoffs.

But I thought power play goals didn't count. no they they still count as goals on the board like you can just spam the power play it's a thing you can do so i i'm still concerned like it needs to turn around fairly quickly so it doesn't become a part of that that really tanks their regular season here in terms of just putting up points against opponents but there's definitely last night it looked a lot better and having willie run that first group where everything kind of ran through him it really worked and then that second group was a lot of fun having matthews just out there second like that was crazy yeah glass half full um for them to have their current record and be scoring the goals that they're scoring

and their power play completely sucks that's kind of encouraging it means they're doing good things at five on five and i mean i feel like it's probably more likely that the power play at least somewhat figures it out yeah but after last week like i'm not willing to let go of the bar of standard of play for the least because the st louis game should have been your get right game and then you lose to Boston on that. And the bar for them has to be you're dominating the regular season and we're seeing you play great hockey all year long to get into the playoffs. And from there, that's the momentum.

So, okay, you have this good win against Seattle, but let's keep fixing all these issues. I'm a little bitter. I mean, I'm happy they won the last two games, but I'm a little bitter of the Leafs getting outplayed by Boston and losing to them. and every headline about the Bruins since has been about how much they suck.

Oh, man. And we're talking about them next. They're bad. Oh, I know. It's bad. And that part, I think the Boston Bruins, as an aside, are kind of the Leafs boogeyman. That's pretty obvious.

They'll figure it out. They're going to have to figure it out. Whether or not they do figure it out is completely up to them. They have to, though. Because I don't think Boston's sitting at the bottom of the Atlantic forever. I think, just making it about the Leafs again,

And I think Jesse's, you're probably looking at them like you're not as good as people say. You're not as bad as people say. So last week we were really shitting on them. And because last week went terribly, this week has gone pretty well. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Right. But a bottom two power play is unacceptable. Yeah, you can't have that.

That's crazy. You can't have that. It's like 8.4% or something. It's really bad. 30 teams better than you? What do you mean? Who's the 30 team? The Ducks are better.

Who's the team below them? Let me look that up. I had that up on CoinHockey here. Guaranteed, it's like a good team. Don't go too deep into it, Jesse, because I have some other stuff on the Power Play later on that I'd like to talk to. Sabres.

Oh, never mind. Sabres are 6.9%. Oh, shit. Yeah. That's right. The Ducks have more goals on the Power Play than the Leafs do. Don't show it.

Don't show it, please. Take that. I'm going into other things on it, guys. You're lucky I can't see shit. Gee willikers. yeah the uh the caps who are fucking right above the leafs in 20 or at least you said 30th or 31st the caps are 30 they're seven and two that's right like we're getting some teams who are doing really good at five on five and nothing that caps five

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and child feel safe supported and empowered uh as we said the only women's domestic violence shelter in the halton region in 2023 that had over 2 000 calls to their 24-hour crisis line and supported over 160 women through emergency shelters so this is a huge huge deal uh you can check it out uh there is actually a link in the description of both the videos and the audio here so if you want to donate check it out there it's hope in every step so you want to go to the caps Do you guys want to talk about the Caps? Yeah, why don't we just talk? Okay, because they're a wagon.

And what's interesting about the Caps, I did a little deep dive. Yes, their power play is bad. Really bad. They're 9.4%. So they've had the same amount of goals as the Leafs, but only 32 opportunities, or the Leafs have had more.

So they're doing it all at five on five. Penalty kill is top 10, but goals four are in the top 10, and least goals allowed or goals allowed, however you want to look at that, is also in the top 10. And what's interesting about the caps is you always, if a team surprises you, you go, what's their PDO? Now, for anybody that doesn't know what PDO generally, it's basically sort of like a luck filter.

Yeah, it's an imperfect stat, but it's your save percentage, your team save percentage, plus your team shooting percentage. They should add up to roughly 100. If it's a little above, all right. If it's a little below, all right. If it's completely out of whack. Like 107%. Then that means you're lucky as shit, and that's probably going to regress.

If you're at like 93, you could probably count on luck swinging back your way a little bit. What's interesting, though, about PDO is people talk about PDO benders. The thing about PDO benders, and they exist, is they can last an entire year. We've seen it.

We've seen it happen. Saw it happen with the Colorado Avalanche years and years and years ago. Leafs? Yeah, the Patrick Bolle year. 2013. Yeah, absolutely. PDO benders that last the entire,

but the Avs one is interesting because they went the entire year 82 games. The Leafs one is like a half season coming off of a lockout. So I think what we're seeing here with the Capitals is that despite a terrible power play, a pretty good penalty kill, this is a really, really good team.

What did you say about their PDO? What did you say about their PDO? The PDO is 101. one oh okay so it's really it's not one of those teams yeah it's not no um and and uh their points percentage is actually tops in the division new jersey's played five more games than anybody else because of the uh czech series so uh they are currently tied in points percentage for the lead in their division which i think is i mean listen the caps making the playoffs last year was an absolute miracle it took the flyers to just lose it fall off a cliff in the last few games and the

penguins to just be like okay we can't play tristan jari anymore he stinks um and we can't score in the power play the capital snuck in there but this team seems better and sneakily uh dylan stroman conor mcmichael the better mick uh is are they're having great years well so like dylan strom's got 13 points ovachkin's got 10 conor mcmichael's got 10 i'm happy i'm doing this and not at him because maybe maybe this will give it a little more uh credibility because people think that you're just out there to kill the penguins but the capitals are always going to be tied to the penguins the capitals sort of rebuilt on the fly they're way younger than the pens way younger their important parts are way younger than the pens so look at it like

you said Dylan Strom 2015 draft you know journeyman but he's he's doing crazy and he was good last year for them too yeah former third overall pick coming into his own 13 points in nine games like you said rumors of Alex Ovechkin's demise has been greatly exaggerated five goals five assists 10 points in nine games Connor McMichael is tied with the exact same stat line there's a young guy coming into his own. Alexi Protas, uh, nine or yeah, nine points in nine games. There's another young guy, 2001 born coming into his own Tom Wilson with a clean bill of health, eight points in nine games. Uh, John Carlson, older guy, uh, uh, eight points in nine games. Then there are some guys where I'm like, okay, is this going to last like TVR six points in nine games? That's a

pretty crazy pace but would you look at who's been downright useful one goal only one goal but forces for five points in nine games pierre luke friggin dubois i know chickering has been really well liked in washington and he's done a good job there hurt though unfortunately yeah i know he just got hurt but um dubois it he doesn't the mission for this season isn't to make him an eight million dollar forward pump the brakes the mission is to make him more useful than he was in la the bar is so low get him out of the fourth line five points in nine games that sets a step in the right direction big time big time and all of a sudden look dylan strome who led them in scoring last year look how much better he's doing because of a little depth up front they did a lot

of great things this summer and they've been doing a lot of great well they took chances though these things could have gone horribly for them well manjapan is a project and he hasn't exactly been incredible but this is a team but you sign you go and you sign matt roy you outbid the lease for him yeah pay him more than the lease were willing to go you you changed up what you are in net a little bit um this is this is a team that's been they did the right things this summer but they've sort of been doing the right things for a little while now and ovechkin is eventually going to retire and they'll live it'll it'll change their identity but we're not going to be talking about them like oh they're fucked now it's not going to be a chicago or a san jose

bottoming out in the same way what is the or an anaheim i i hate to keep going back to them but when when letang and malkin and crosby finally leave town retirement or otherwise it's gonna be a dust bowl what the hell do they got well let me throw this at you doing the right things the penguins ducks game last night drew 14 945 fans at ppg paints in pittsburgh excluding covid 19 uh the lowest attended pens attended pens game ever at ppg oh and that's because they had lost six straight at home now they won last night it was exciting good but i mean it's the ducks and it's the ducks but you know nadalkovich had to make some crazy saves i don't know if you guys saw this i should actually show you this um the ducks are they're not sad like they were

yeah they're actually have a better record than the penguins do there you go um but jess i mean the penguins at one point they're better they're better i should talk about them listen uh crosby's goal was crazy last night because he stole it off cutter goche and just to give you an idea of where flyers fans are at they were posting a crosby overtime goal celebrating cutter goche oh wow and i hate goche more than celebrating crosby over you know yeah they hate now cutter goche more than they hate sydney crosby it's a grudging respect for sydney crosby i mean what else the flyers fans got right now yeah it's a little rough it's looking a little rough but look at this i just want it's tough in the metro yeah listen and they also got i think

they got destroyed by anaheim last year uh leafs can relate to that um yes have a have a look at this line change count how many pittsburgh sweaters are on the ice currently oh my god one two is oh that's the camera i was like what the hell is that thing in the high slot one two three four five six seven eight there are eight penguins what the fuck is going on in pittsburgh yeah and why do i only see three flames what happened here that's not flames those are ducks ducks my bad sorry the new jerseys i haven't gotten used to it yeah they do look like the flames yeah i'm not sure not great oh pitt what are you doing what are you doing pittsburgh severely outshot the Ducks uh the Ducks played I mean they're not that great right every year there's

one or two goalies who every night have to face 75 shots and last year it was Mackenzie Blackwood and Lucas Dostal and this year I think it might be the same two guys it's definitely Lucas Dostal um man this poor guy I saw a clip online recently they're like is he a top 10 goalie in the league i don't know about top 10 but like severely underrated play i wouldn't be looking at a save percentage as a as a you know as a thing of how to compare him saves per game it's not fair it's got to be up there um i also want to say that i checked in on it and there were no other major games going on in pittsburgh as far as i could see because they have universities and stuff in or around sometimes that can affect attendance especially if the team's not that good i mean uh

But obviously, no Steelers game, and obviously, Pirates are not playing. What is that, like 4,000, 5,000 short of a sellout? Yeah. And listen, you've lost six straight. Pan's fans aren't stupid. They know this team isn't going anywhere. No, Pittsburgh's big problem is they have really smart hockey fans. Yeah.

That's, I think, the biggest problem the Penguins face. Yeah. Now, that Crosby goal was unbelievable. He's despicable. He's still despicable. He's the best player ever at his edge work. Yes. I don't think it's even comparable with any other player who's ever played in the NHL.

That dude knows how to work his skates. It's crazy. I hate to ask this question again, guys, but I know it was super cool to see Crosby delivering season tickets. Don't do it. How long before he gets tired of this? No, don't do it! Sidney Crosby, the best, according to Jesse,

the best edge work in the history of the NHL, best to ever do it, best to ever do it, going to be captain of team canada is playing to non-sold out arenas at home not even not it's like three or four thousand less than capacity how long guys how long are we going to do this um well he gave us his answer like he's willing to wait he's willing to stick this out and see it through and potentially even retire there and that's great but i just okay all right listen There's a lot of people trying to convince me this is going to happen. As in, like, he's going to stay there and they're just going to be bad and that's going to be okay.

And they're just going to hang on to Malkin and Letang until the end of their deals, too? I don't know. And Carlson's being snide to the media. Everybody's like, yeah, Eric Carlson's such a badass. You've seen the man play. Have you seen what he's doing? Misses in the entire training camp is all of a sudden good to go for... Haven't seen him pivot.

Have you seen him give the puck away a million times? it's not listen i i hate to say it because i love pittsburgh i love the city i love going i i've actually never seen a pens game you've been to a pens game in the final the stanley cup final the benino benino benino uh you were there yeah oh it was unbelievable but of all the teams in the league i think structurally they're the worst contract wise you can't move that eric carlson deal if he's going to play like this dubas hadn't even left the leafs yet and we were talking about this we were i was like who the hell so what's i was do you know what let me make it worse i'm gonna trade for carlson sign graves and extend jarring what we talked about it before

he even got there i was like that's the hardest job in hockey is figuring out the pittsburgh penguins so he's got a seven-year deal and my question is because clearly he was brought in to be the guy who rebuilds it well when does that start his job is either be the man who trade sydney crosby or somehow figure out how to rebuild the penguins without doing that right and now i think both things are impossible was crosby's extension two or three years guys do you guys remember uh two i don't remember i don't know so like that's my question is yeah it's two years but he has to play through this season right right it's like three seasons you want to tell me that this is going to continue continue for three more seasons graves unmovable jari unmovable carlson

unmovable we've already sydney won't move malkin and latang don't want to what are we doing he's listen it's way juicier and sexier to be like he's getting traded but until he shows the slightest inkling that he's sick of this um it's just us looking at the situation and going yeah that's pretty shit but what all that matters is how he feels about it and he's not ready to give up in the penguins which is kind of inspiring yeah kind of sure go down with the ship i guess but he's trying to prevent the ship from going down ships right it's it's down it's not the captain of the titanic nobly standing there as violins play this is a guy like he's trying to plug the hole he's down there going no don't worry no no no no no towels towels like he's trying he's trying

and it's not working worth noting yet uh the major part of the acquisition for jake genzel was michael bunting had a great run with pittsburgh 19 points in 21 games uh at the end of the season last year was averaging about 17 minutes a night this year he's averaging 14 and a half minutes a night he's already had he's already been scratched he has one assist in 11 games they need better defensive performances out of everyone and little Easter egg earlier in the show he's not a guy who can provide you with that

and Sullivan doesn't like that I mean no coach likes that he can score and the Penguins last year were sort of playing we're just going to have to win 7-6 and so he kind of fit that

that's not going to work anymore but again who else like we we were like okay so it's beaulieu then it's like a coming off the injury rust it's uh kevin hayes oh man you know it's it's it's a lot to put on kevin hayes it's a lot man yeah and uh the riley smith experiment didn't work out there i think it's working out better where's alexi protus like where's their version of that where's uh where's mcgordy where's and And where's he? And he's not going to be in the NHL unless his skating improves.

Right? So where's Connor McMichael? Where's? What's the guy in Boston? Patras? Patra. Yeah, Patra. We're someone like that.

Like a middle of the first round guy who you just did a decent job on. And there. How about a late first round? How about a second? How about it? Who's coming up? it's a terrible situation nola chari was on i believe the second line the other day which is not ideal i and that's a player i really like i love nola chari i don't want him on my second

line no i love him i wish he hadn't left no yeah jesse what no that's a tough second liner yeah reminds me of when rob clinkhammer was playing top line minutes for them remember when everybody was injured like remember that i mean geez he might be top line of the abs oh man that oh you might be top line of the abs yeah can i can i backtrack a little and just say my piece on the washington capitals oh yeah sorry it's not even top line i don't did you have the safe percentage of of uh the goaltending no i didn't because that to me is the most indicative of why this team is a real wagon at the like everything can change seven and two though they're away we're still early in the season things can change things can go in different

different directions but adam read out their two goaltenders their safe percentage okay let me let me uh just i'm on the capitals website and i am oh yeah no no read it out no yeah jesse yeah no read it out this is this is why they are for real and this thing's gonna keep cooking and i Washington Capitals fans, you should be excited for a good season this year. Read it out. Logan, I was traded at the autograph table, Thompson. 876. Oh, shit.

That's Vestasco territory. Charles III, Lindgren. 882 safe percentage. Oh. Both. Awful. And their PK is in the top 10. They're 7-2.

Awful. Their PK is 10th. but with that awful goaltending you know what they're doing what are they doing right now goals against per game for uh 12th very reasonable what the fuck 12th top half of the nhl what and the reason they're able to perform like this with that awful goaltending and get these great results is the shots against per game yes teams are only managing to get 24 shots per game against the Washington Capitals. It's number one against in the entire league by a wide margin. It's because Spencer Carberry, I don't know. I don't know how he had this in them. He's created this defense

that's incredible at not allowing anything to get to the net. And that is a great recipe for success when you're able to win hockey games at a seven and two clip to start the season with sub 880 goaltending and not allow any type of shots on goal. This seems for real because the defense is for real. Jesse, hang on. Let me just lead with this. Here's a stat. Their shot differential

I didn't even know this was a stat. This is great. Is a plus 66. So overall over nine games they've had 66 more shots on goal than I believe it averages out to over 10

like if you add shots. 7.33 Yeah, 7.33 is the average. Right, right. Carolina just is the top of them, is the top of the thing. They're a plus 92. But here's what's interesting. The Capitals have allowed 217 shots this year. To put that into context, we've got a significant following here in southern Ontario.

Sure. The Leafs have allowed 317 shots over that same amount of time. Yeah. A hundred less shots in 10 games. Yeah. You're right. it's seven they're averaging about 31 on their end and then they're allowing about 24 which so every single game every time they step on ice they're gonna get seven more shots than their

opponent that's if that's sustainable they're able to keep this up and just keep playing the same systems that they're doing which is i think the one of the most repeatable ways to be a good hockey team is through defense as opposed in systems as opposed to like we have high scoring players you know if you're yeah yeah yeah we've lived that right so if if they just keep this up this team's going to be high in the division, high in the playoff spot all year long. I love you, Jesse. It's great stuff.

Because you're like, look at this hunk of shit goaltending. This is proof they're good. Yeah. No, it is. That was crazy. You're able to win with garbage. Well, I mean, and those aren't two garbage goalies, though. No, no.

Lindgren's like the whole reason they got into the playoffs last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I think he earned a heart vote. Yeah, because they're dead without him. Right, right. Oh, yeah, they were bad. people forget too they didn't make the playoffs based on points they won the tiebreaker with the red wings yes they both finished with 91 points actually they just have more regulation wins oh

yeah so i feel bad for red wings fans but like that's the only reason they snuck into the playoffs last year but and largely lingering who's playing really well and like this year i don't know what carberry's doing over there like i don't know enough about the coaching staff but they've cooked up something real special and realistically they'll probably score a little less yeah and they'll also allow a little less by looking at the stat by looking at the stat though i have instantly identified the oilers problem they are second in the league in shot differential do you have the chart facing the right direction i do they are second in the league in shot differential they're ahead of the caps behind the carolina hurricanes meaning that the edmonton oilers

needs some goaltending yeah uh they are not allowing a ton of shots uh in comparison to the rest of the league they are out shooting opponents by an average of 7.6 shots a game so maybe that's some of that structural defense the types of shots that players are getting and yeah the Oilers are lacking talent on their back end of course I honestly Timothy Lilligren would have made a lot of sense there I can't believe they weren't interested they got a team Canada defenseman that's right yeah I play killing penalties killing the play too uh but I I look at the Oilers and I go, man, if Stuart Skinner just decides to be a 900 goaltender, they're going to

be fine. And last year, he woke up randomly in the middle of the season. When did he wake up? What month was it? For no reason. He's like, okay, I'll start playing good again. And hopefully, I think they're all just fingers crossed he does it again. He woke up at Chris Knobloch o'clock. Yeah. Well, yeah. So that would have been what? November?

Ish. Well, it was one of those things where he was horrible. Completely horrible. But so was Jack Campbell? And then you're like, oh, he saved percentages above 900 oh he and then like the playoffs he was unreal yes i don't understand stewart skinner really difficult to read goalie looking at the oilers last night um you know we asked last show if mcdavid being out two to three weeks and then potentially having to nurse an

injury we don't know specifically what it is or how long it'll last hey um would they wake up and they sure did arvidsson got his first goal he's not played well hyman got his first goal people have been like where the heck is this guy uh uh oilers literally like commanded this game and the and the nashville predators had been on a bit of a tear and pod calls in good fight i didn't know he'd fight like that i i mean was it a fight or did he just get one real real good shot on lozanne holy shit yeah yeah leon dry saddle continues to be leon dry sidle in case anybody's worried uh he's still pretty good at hockey your poppy was hanging on by three oh was it okay well that's this is gonna be an ongoing battle i like it yeah it's

okay it's all right just let it fall i'll get it let it fall yeah no we'll do a poppy count absolutely not poppy count poppy count yeah um uh so yeah i wanted to i did want to shout out the others now let's talk about the boston bruins oh now the boston bruins are interesting And I'm going to rewind the clock. Boston Bruins, a couple of years ago, after signing him to an extension, Cam Neely, I believe, and who's the general manager? Don Sweeney.

Don Sweeney was the guy who did it. Invited then-coach Bruce Cassidy over to his living room and said, Bruce... Invited him to his own living room? You've done nothing but win games for us. Nothing but win games. But the playoff success is not what we need, despite the fact that you have just embarrassed

the Toronto Maple Leafs in key games. I specifically talk about that. But if I want to go to, oh yeah, he lost in the first round, lost in the second round, lost in the finals, lost in the second round, lost in the second round, lost in the first round. So he loses in the first round and they're like, you know what, Bruce, that record's shit.

Get the fuck out of Boston. fuck off to vegas and go win a cup yeah and he immediately wins a cup now they bring in jim montgomery and jim montgomery is an interesting coach this is a guy who coached uh the dallas stars lost in the second round and then he was fired midway through the next year i think or there was some sort of yeah so um so then he was an assistant in st louis for a couple of years and then he takes over the boston bruins and at first the firing of bruce cassidy looks like a really great idea because i remember that that particular run uh going into the playoffs jesse said and he was right about this the vegas golden knights are kind of mid at everything

which is a great thing which is a good thing yeah because they're they're like oh they're they're decent in all areas but then but then jesse everett is like fuck off the bruins won 65 games that's so many games a lot of games it's a lot of games most games ever who cares who's mid at everything what about a team that's good at everything and then they go up three to one against the florida panthers who were not the florida panthers of last year no that team was not very good that team became that team and the year before by the way the florida panthers have won the jack adams not jack adams the president trophy and andrew burnett had won the jack adams and he got fired and he got fired for winning that or just not and then they just were not good

they had a up and down season and whatever and paul maurice all of a sudden is their coach they got hot down the stretch and and there was a specific game in toronto where keith kachuk got on the radio here and said the team looks soft and what did they do they fucking pummeled the leaves that night and and then they went on a run and i called it that night or that that day i was like the panthers are soft they were never soft but they were soft to the standard that they had set that's right clearly and your team's star's dad now also happens to be a very well respected uh retired nhl player calls you soft and paul maurice is your coach it's gonna make you feel some kind of way so so that killed everyone that's happening but again no one's

paying attention to that that's just Toronto being Toronto it's just the Leafs man and and you got you got a team that's on pace for history they scored the most points in NHL history most wins in NHL history they're up three to one they have a Vesna goalie in net but he's injured ah he didn't play really well in game five did he no ah but they I guess do you try him again Let's let them go. Try them again. Oh, damn. Oh, damn.

This series is tied. And then they lose. And the Florida Panthers go on to the Stanley Cup final. And they blow it late in game seven, too. Yeah, they did. Now, okay, fine. Shit happens. The team went to the finals.

Whatever. So then they put up 47 wins, which is still really good. And they had a better start. Yes. And they've got those two goalies. One coming off of Esna, this hotshot rookie from Alaska who's amazing. Well, he's not a rookie anymore, but you know what I'm saying, young guy. And they go up 3-1 against the Toronto Maple Leafs.

And the Toronto Maple Leafs win Game 5 and 6. And we're looking at Jim Montgomery like, you're not going to do this again. And of course he's not. It's the Toronto Maple Leafs. If they lost Game 7, it would have been his last game as coach. I think he would have been fired. But they lost definitively in the second round. The Panthers steamrolled them.

Smacked them. this year they are four six and oh one of those wins is against the leafs which is hilarious which is a honestly that's a that's a free spot yep that's free parking for this got a point there which i think is better than anyone anticipated last night they allowed three goals maddie you good over there yeah maddie all right she just went like involuntarily it sucks right doesn't it suck it sucks so bad it sucks so bad it's so it sucks so bad and everybody's like why are you so hard on the leaves oh okay all right yeah sure so then after that your galaxy brain general manager who fired the guy the state the next stanley cup winning coach at his living room

a summer before he went on to win it did not get adequate criticism for it um and has done other things that are sus then him and the the management group they're like you know what we're gonna do we're gonna trade the guy who won a vesnes trophy a year ago for unis corpus aloe who hasn't been great he was okay in la when he was there yeah had a terrible year in ottawa and we're gonna do it before we sign the guy of our future even though he doesn't have a deal and over about if reports are to believe be believed about four to five million dollars over eight years the boston bruins made jeremy swayman sit out camp and then all of the sudden it was getting close to the end and they said fine we'll give you your eight year eight million

got it or eight point public spat with them very public spat and so your goalie who you're relying on to play probably 50 games this year has missed the entire camp over five million dollars over the next eight years sorry guys that's like 600 grand it was i think it was less than that that's peanuts yeah because they the most they'd offered to that year was to to that point was 7.8 over 8 million and then they finished at 8.1. According to frigging Cam Neely, it was 64. Well, they hadn't offered that yet. 64 million reasons.

And he signed for 66. Swayman missed camp. Hard to catch up after that. Now, the Bruins, it'd be nice if they played a little defense in front of him. But he was pulled last night. That team led in three goals in under a minute against the Carolina way better than we thought Hurricanes. Did you know that?

Why do we keep underestimating that hockey team? I know, it's pretty stupid. Rod the bod, baby. Rod the friggin' bod. So here's what happens in the first period. You got Roslovich, who's got five goals. Wow. And then on the power play, Marchand ties it up.

And then with three minutes to go, guys, in the first period, you get into the danger zone of, yeah, don't let people score. Svechnikov at 7-14. Jackson Blake, close to Jesse Blake, relation. No. zero at 1752 and that marty niches at 1806 that is three goals in less than a minute two tip-ins and a snapshot so that's what they're allowing that's what they're allowing can we talk about what's going in

sure please david posternak six goals four assists 10 points in 11 games pretty good that's maybe a bit behind what you expect of him but that's that's good that's good enough to be getting on what is everyone else got well the second leading scorer on the Bruins it's it's a three-way tie Brad Marchand with two goals five assists seven points in 11 games again good probably a little below what you expect out of him but Brad Marchand's like 36 Yeah. Tied with, yeah, you guessed it, Cole Koepka and Mark Kastelik. Now, there's a world where you look at this and you go, Mark Kastelik and Cole Koepka have 7 points each in 11 games. These guys are probably steamrolling everyone. No one else is showing up. Lindholm, six points in 11 games. He's making a lot more than that.

And he's also got the same stat line as John Beecher. At least your fourth line is clicking. And then beyond that, no one has more than four points. Mason Lorai, Hampus Lindholm. Like, where are some of the... Okay, Brazos there. That's good. Patra.

Where's Zaka? Where the frig is Zaka? He's got one goal, two assists, three points in 11 games. Morgan Geeky has one assist in nine games. Charlie Coyle has a goal, zero assists in 11 games. Did the goal come against the Leafs? Because that would be poetic. I don't think so, but probably.

Okay. In spirit. No one's scoring. Other than the fourth line. Well, and if they'd taken a look at Elias Lindholm's performance in Calgary and Vancouver last year, he wasn't scoring at the clip that he used to. He can at least be a good two-way player.

Yes, but they needed scoring. and for a team that that so okay they had their crazy goaltending tandem yep um they looked at that and they went this is a luxury that we can no longer afford we got to get deeper they went out and they got deeper big money on zadorov big money on lindholm and it has not borne fruit barrett borne fruit bared fruit i think either works they haven't gotten fruit from they have not been to the store and uh i don't know how you fix hey no one's scoring well this is where it comes down to the two guys making all the decisions it's cam neely and it's uh don sweeney and we know that charlie jacobs has defended them repeatedly and we know that the

easy switch here is jim montgomery for who exactly not ideal in the middle of the season joel quenville we're all just waiting for someone to push the button so i would assume somebody's gonna do it it's happening this year probably like jay woodcroft will coach in the nhl again but it'll be after quenville gets hired if you want your team to score he'd be an okay guy but someone's gonna push the button I don't know who it's going to be. I don't know if it's going to be them. Jim Montgomery has won you so many damn games.

You said they won 47 last year? Yeah. So 47 plus 65. He's won over 120 games in the last two years. 130, I think. 112. 112? Over those two seasons.

Oh, yeah. Sorry. He doesn't get a little bit more rope. I mean, what's standard, though? how how how sideways can this go they miss Jake DeBrusque yes they do which is crazy can you imagine this conversation a few years ago I don't know how you fix that you gotta you gotta fix it from within and right now no one outside of the fourth line for some reason has shown up

mark castellick yeah like i'm like i picked up cole kapka in fantasy this week just to i can't run him out there i can't believe that yeah like yeah i've dropped him since but he gave me a couple points right and it's listen whoever's scoring for them who's scoring for them they're i'm not used to talking about the bruins in this way no and listen uh if they're winning the division by the end of the year nobody's gonna be shocked either no well this is what i said in the video yesterday i'm like listen every point the leafs get in the standings is a leg up on the bruins yep who and we like do we all assume the bruins are going to be there at the end of the season yes yeah of course so that's why you got to rack up as many points now as you

can um you know if florida ends up winning the division bruins find their form oh okay you're on a collision course with them frigging again would you rather have home ice advantage or not i know you lost last time you had home ice advantage but would you rather have it or not you'd rather have it bank those points baby okay jesse anything to add on the bruins uh it's not great like i don't think anybody want thought they'd be in this position uh this early on but it is early and i expect the bruins to turn this around whether it's through firing head coach or just them playing better i expect them to be up in the top of the atlantic uh playoff race here but being in last place on november 1st i don't think anybody in boston expected that shocked

yeah but last place right now because the eastern conference is so tight leaves you two points out of the second wild card. That's crazy. That's so funny. They'll be fine. Wow. We'll see. That'll be something to watch.

You don't try a trade before firing the coach or something? I don't know. I don't know. It's just... He's done so much for you. It's like the same with Cassidy.

It's like, shit. Like, the first sign of trouble, you're gone? Well, it's not the first sign of trouble. Like, I thought Adam outlined it well there. This has been brewing.

Like, it's a... Brewing. Hey! There's a lot of decisions that have led to this point, and we can't forget what would have happened if they lost to the Leafs last May. He probably would have lost his job there, and the city would have been on fire

because you're going out two years in a row blowing a 3-1 lead. That's unacceptable. And Boston's never been in that position as an organization recently. This happens so often. 2013, if Claude Julien loses to the Leafs, he's going to get fired.

And they go to the Stanley Cup Final And last year If Jim Montgomery loses to the Leafs He's going to get fired The Leafs never let you down They'll always be there for you Who knows, it might have been Bruce Cassidy as well I don't even know

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together we can carry the fire and help create a world free from the fear of cancer register today at pmcfwalk.ca um the patience with the montreal canadians of all places is wearing thin and i think it's interesting i want to read i want to read arpin basu i just want a friend of the show friend of the network we love arpin he writes to this headline he writes a great diss track oh he does yeah bars this is a blistering headline the canadians pervasive nausea inducing tendencies are starting to wear thin yeah like poetry poetry poetry so here's the quote that everybody's talking about this morning from you know with marty st louis said we had the first period we wanted the second was nothing uh in the

second nothing was perfect there were mistakes on both sides and then in the third we threw up all over ourselves very simple and and and arpin let me read from this and then i want to see if you guys can relate because we have been through a rebuild gentlemen we did it together so here's what arpin says so about the vomit and about suzuki's desire for there to be no more vomit this season because suzuki said pre-season i'm looking forward to mistakes mattering again because mistakes didn't matter as much last year i want to get back to winning ways and about the canadians and about where the canadians are comma vomiting consistently allowing the most goals per game in the league many of them as a result of that vomit by the way i looked it up the canadians

are currently allowing 4.27 goals per game what that's right the vomit shut the leaves out the vomit has been yeah is sam montembeau still the team canada's goal my god vomit has been a defining feature of the canadian season thus thus far the same mistakes continue happening over and over again at inopportune times in moments and games the canadians are trying to mature individually and collectively they are not close to reaching that goal so the canadians are blowing leads they are missing assignments on the defensive side of the puck they are there are there is a mentality question do these guys have the focus to win and close out games that they should win and close out and i just wonder as leaf fans

is that a maturity thing or does that become like an ethos thing after a while i um you know sometimes with montreal canadian stuff you know maybe there's a language barrier here are you trying to tell me that there was an expectation that the habs should be taking a step don't do this and they're not don't do this why are you referencing that specifically well because it's a good take i had that was right that uh you guys didn't seem to like uh not jesse and i they're losing fine with it i have fans got on you for saying that hey maybe they should take a step they're losing

the way they've lost last year and the way they lost the year before why is it all of a sudden unacceptable because it's been a few years and they've gotten straight up better they shouldn't be this bad i don't think any of us thought they'd be this bad even if you had them last in the division you didn't have them being this bad right there's an expect at some point you get all these players cole caulfield shooting the lights out right now you get all this young talent at some point when you're rebuilding your gm makes all the right decisions when was the last time ken hughes made a decision we were like that was stupid never at some point there's an expectation you take a step oh this guy's out that who gives a shit the league doesn't care

it's not about it's not about me oh this guy's hurt this the league doesn't care every almost every team has guys out you know my favorite part about the florida panthers stanley cup celebration was matthew kachuk going we don't really deserve this there were a lot of guys with injuries yep on the other teams that we played i feel bad for them i'm gonna yield the cup to them because they were injured and it wasn't fair yeah my favorite part of uh game six uh between the warriors and the raptors was when uh they delayed the rest of the game for a year so kevin durant could play well well so kevin durant and clay thompson could it's not how it works you have to delay it for more than a year yeah yes yeah that's not how it works based on their injury

timelines yeah as a person you can be a lovely person and pat them on the shoulder and make sure they're all right and the league the universe doesn't give a flying fuck you that okay oh damn that's crazy anyway says here there's a game tomorrow and you gotta play you know they you need saves you need defensive stops one guy scoring for you like a nut case scoring like an absolute nut case that's so good that's so great who's number two mm-hmm who's number three who's number four it's a hard hard hard league i expect this team to be very good eventually turns out they got a long way to go 4.27 goals a game i don't think i've ever heard a stat like that's psychotic by the way that's 80s stuff for anybody saying that that

oh it's like oh well they're a super young team there's like yeah they are they are but what are we in cole caulfield's fourth season nick suzuki's fifth uh arbor jack guys played listen a lot of people are on he's getting healthied he's getting healthied he's also their sixth best seventh best defenseman he's getting healthied on a decor that's thin not great when is his transition to forward i know i know he he should be a fourth line winger i i that's what he does that's what he should do like maybe maybe like he's guy who can play d in a pinch um you dress him like what do they have this weird hybrid 11-7 thing where he can play a few shifts on d and if you need he can be big scary guy on your fourth line

i anyway we're getting lost in in the weeds here there comes a point in every rebuild where the losing stops being cute they've reached it it's not cute uh just to update you guys on the bruins ty anderson who is a reporter for 98.5 the sports hub is reporting today that An email was sent out last night by Bruins media, like the Bruins PR team, that there would be a practice today. They're on the road at noon. The practice never happened. And so people are kind of have their both eyeballs on the Bruins right now. Wow.

Just thought canceling practice is that's an interesting one. that's where you expect to see guys bag skated losing i mean eight two to carolina's crazy yeah yeah outshot the way they did holy cow yep yep so i just thought that was worth mentioning um wow they haven't been like this in a very long time a couple of things before we get to the press conference i think uh we should take note that the winnipeg jets who lost to the toronto maple leafs on the second half of a back-to-back stomped the detroit red wings and basically won the game within the first three minutes kyle connor at the beginning this week on monday and tuesday alone had seven points in two games he's doing slightly good uh sneakily

can you guys tell me who the nhl leader in goals is cole caulfield it's a tie cole caulfield's one of them ah kale mccarr leads in points yes right yes he does lead in goals as well i'm sorry kale mccarr does not lead in points anymore mark stone does oh he got passed yeah he's Well, he's tied, but they gave a tiebreaker to Mark Stone. Is it Mark Stone? It's not Mark Stone. But yeah, Cale McCarr is doing it through assists, right?

Yes. Okay, okay. I guess Mark Stone is as well. Caulfield has 10 goals in 11 games, which is really impressive. One assist. Selfish player. Kyle Connor. Not Kyle Connor.

Nine goals. Ah! I knew he was up there. Let's see. Dylan Genther. Leon Dreisaitl. You ready? he's okay so it's east coast okay new york new jersey one of those three teams uh jack hughes

nico he's sure nico he's nico he's unreal 10 goals in 13 games he's been unreal that's crazy i did not expect to see nico he's name up there nice yeah i mean you talk about a player a coach is going to instantly fall in love with oh yeah just like nico come into my open arms just every listen i think fans love a jack hughes coaches love a nico he's sure that's not a criticism of either player yep um you need both um for the first time ever uh and we talked about this in agent provocateur that that came out uh yesterday with also nashville predators forward and uh first rounder from 2021 zachary larue hey who to that point when they called him out this year they had not lost a game in regulation they went on a tear as soon as he got there now they

did lose last night in regulation but pretty good run um the all 32 nhl franchises are worth over a billion dollars and the newest franchise is worth the 28th most or the fifth least meaning utah is not despite being the newest not the least valued franchise right now which is incredible about the ones below well i was about to say so they moved up four spots five five whatever i think that's impressive and it shows a couple of things here and then i'm going to ask you guys who you think the least valued ones are it shows a couple of things first off the arizona coyotes again this is not a hit on the fans the air i have to say that every time the arizona coyotes were a drag on this team or on this team on this league for 15 years yep there was no way that they could ever

be valued at more than a billion dollars and the league made ryan smith pay more than he wanted to just like they did with the senators hey what do you guys need uh everything like literally they they were this is a it is it cannot be forgotten what a failure this was on the nhl side and how this depressed uh revenue and owner value i'm surprised the owners didn't get on gary about this earlier because you're talking about a 29 jump in the league and you look at a guy like jeff vinick who bought the lightning for 93 million in 2010 he has now seen an almost 20 times value jump he sold the team at a 1.8 billion dollar valuation why didn't we just buy an nhl team well having you have to remember 2010 that was after the biggest financial crash since the

depression no money had and i in nhl if you'd had 100 million at that point you would have been one of the rare few right you would not have had not many people had that kind of money a lot of people lost a lot of money back then so damn utah sits in 28th place name the four teams below them in value and some of this is market size some of this is neglect oh columbus columbus is the least valued team in the nhl so okay here's here's and they still jump 20 by the way here's how bad things are there you said some of this is market size some of this is neglect so market size i'm going okay could it be this thing this is the second you said neglect i go oh columbus there's a there's another that's bad there's two other neglected teams one still currently neglected and one not

no longer neglected on this list and then one team that's just market size it can't be the sabers the sabers are 30th well really yes that is neglect now they saw a 26 jump but the buffalo sabers being in 30th in terms of team valuation i know buffalo's not a crazy money town it's not huge oh but it's they love hockey there is that is a guarantee that team is first round eligible it's a guaranteed sellout every night you make your money it's insane that buffalo is that low and that comes completely down to the way ownership and and and and the general manager have decided to go about business they've seen some improvements how many more towering defensemen are you going to draft before you realize you've got to score goals i really hope winnipeg's not in

there winnipeg is but that's market size winnipeg is and i think what's what's good for the jets is that their value went up 19 year over year okay and there's one more formerly neglected formerly neglected that's interesting pacific no interesting east east former islanders no think market size and think neglect neglect neglect means what bad owner uh pittsburgh i was gonna say panthers no for there no the panthers are they're jumping a lot year over year yeah yeah um oh i guess now the ottawa senators who are up 20 you know what year so we talked about columbus isn't that a sign how how good things have gone in ottawa it took us that long to get there yes yeah yeah we haven't

talked about that team as a catastrophe in quite some time because they're not they're not all right they're not i think so i thought that was interesting that utah jumps into the league it is instantly at 28 and i think is so the here's the crazy part about this guys compared to where the coyotes were last year this is the jump okay okay compared to where the coyotes were last year on this list in terms of valuation now i know there's a recent sale to help jump these numbers sure but the value of the utah hockey club because they have an arena because they're selling well because they have good players under contract a couple of them are super injured and that really sucks they jumped 78 value wow 78 you want to tell me hundreds of millions of good idea to

give so arizona it should have been done yeah in 2012 when the league had to buy them and then they should have moved them and then gone back. We would have a new Coyotes franchise and a new building at this point. If they had just moved off this when everybody said, move off this team,

put them literally anywhere. Something about planting a tree 20 years ago. You're right. You're totally right. But here's the, so everybody that ever said it, anybody that ever said it who had any tweet that said,

no, you're wrong. you're right and i think i think it's important to recognize that not to dunk on coyotes fans to understand why the nhl was so hardcore about staying here it cost the owners money they to buy the team every owner at one point because you're you know you're an owner in the nhl had to fund the coyotes directly or indirectly all of those payments that they have to make you know the leafs the rangers the bruins all these rich guys who are like hey i got a rich team making a lot of money uh oh yeah there's those equalization payments where are they going they're going to arizona and and the point of those payments is hey we're all in this together yes and this is

to help you do well this is to help you thrive and they had no interest and or ability to do that and they had the nhl brought in two brilliant owners bill foley and the kraken ownership as well so bill foley owns the the golden knights i forget the names behind the whatever brockheimer and even them even at that same time when the thrashers left atlanta the thompson family and the chipman family who still own the jets today are great owners they're great owners yeah as i told you they light money on fire every year year over year but the value of the franchise keeps going up so that's why it makes sense to stay in the game well it's 700 000 people there's not a shitload of corporate out there there's not a huge the jets are a community team and the jets fans

get out there and support i get that and in seattle it's uh david bonderman todd lowicky and jerry brockheimer yeah the uh seattle hockey partners and there is low there is an amazon connection to that i mean obviously they just have the name of the stadium yeah okay and there's i guess some investment there through that so i just think it's absolutely bonkers bonkers that we have seen the nhl go bill foley you're the guy and then jerry bruckheimer oh yeah you could be the guy and then monorail salesman you can be the guy it's i just don't know i mean alex murello in a sales pitch must be must be the most compelling person you've ever met the guy should run for president i don't know how he pulled this off no and he walked away positive

let me cut off my friend he should absolutely not run for president we do not need him to run for president no adam listen he put his kid in charge of the social media you this kid was the vp of marketing you're not wrong what i am not detecting what i here wait let me scan you there's no life no lie there okay but the tv market hey but i'm gonna climb over this you're right sorry go what we should be getting from this is they did a good thing yes now it's after two decades of doing a bad thing yes but i think we know that and we're here now it's it's eating a meal and then talking about how hungry you were but you but that that's not fair because why were you hungry i know because you refuse to buy food for 15 years that's why yes yes it's not my fault

your fridge was empty it's your fault but here we are with a full belly we're feeling good you even burp for the first time in a while that's because you got food in your in your gut i'm just listen i think what should be taken from this is positive things yes it's also in part i cannot do the alex morello talk again i know i know but i just think i gotta talk about i had to say it every time you bring up alex morello and say he was a bad owner you're right thank you it's not about you that's all i need to hear the leafs by the way are the most valuable franchise in the league. They have a year-over-year, and there's a sale to back this, year-over-year increase of 38% in perceptual value. The Bruins went up 50%. The Kings, 45%. The Oilers, 51%.

The Islanders are up 49%. The Stars are up 49%. If you look at the entire league, the worst that they did in terms of franchise value increasing are those four teams. The Senators at 20%, Sabres at 26%, Jets at 19%, and the Blue Jackets at 20%. The entire rest of the league, guys, jumped at least 30%, and in most cases, 40% in value in the last year because of this Utah move. No, Adam, there's something to be learned here. For all you millennials out there, what are millennials? 23, 24?

For all you millennials out there, stop buying your avocado toast, yeah save your save your starbucks save your coffee money go out there who's spending a million bucks on coffee buy yourself a hell yourself up by your bootstraps and buy a national hockey league team all right get off your ass like my father didn't buy the nhl team yeah isn't that nuts all you 23 24 year old millennials anyway oh my god i just thought that was worth mentioning you know we got a millennial here in the studio and maddie Hey Maddie Where's your share

In an NHL team Are you a millennial No she's Gen Z Yeah what are you talking about You're a millennial It's a fucking joke Yeah but The jokes doesn't apply

That's the joke Oh gosh Hey you know what Millennials don't do any work Like that NHL ad Or Gen Z's Gen Z's You know what

You Ah comedy's so dead Am I right fellas Am I What happened to making jokes That one didn't land on me Like here Can you

Here let me list some of the jokes You did pretty good up until that point. I thought it was okay. Then he started yelling at the Gen Z about being a millennial. I was like, where are we going with this? I thought it was funny. It is funny in retrospect because it's very boozy. Here, wait.

Let me go through my act. All right, here. I got five minutes on Puerto Rican. Okay. Here, wait. What? All right. What?

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It's a good career move, right? The Steve Dangle Press Conference. some of my best friends are bad bunny sorry uh all right we'll make this quick we'll just do this one thing but natalie drake if you've ever been to an sdp live show you've met natalie drake and her father because they are seemingly always there and i don't know how they get around but they must have some sort of teleportation machine i think it might be one of our no they must have some sort of teleportation machine to get to every single one of our events we've seen them west of young street it's impossible by the way yeah which yeah i love that they do that by the

way oh yeah just just unbelievable people um but weeks ago many many many moons ago at one of our live events long before adam wilde brought it to the table natalie and her father said you should bring something to the show and i've been holding back because adam brought up his his stupid hey i saw this on bleacher report it's really cool let's do it thing and i was like i'm gonna hold off till a moment where we get far away from that and we get to do this it's the connors so adam if you remember recently a couple weeks ago when the season started partners who have scored you talk about connors and there were four before connor mcdavid and there was four who scored and connor mcmichael could have done it all right but anyway cool fun but they had said something very

interesting and it's that they were able to build a whole nhl team with connors that's crazy now the best i could do i got two goaltenders two d lines and three forward groups oh my god plus one spare in the forward group with only connors and you guys you guys don't have this list okay i have it in front of me so i'm gonna that's the best i could do with current nhlers i don't know if their team included ex-NHLers or guys who were like retired long ago. But I was able to do it with current NHLers, three forward groups,

two deep pairs, two goaltenders. Adam and Steve, combine your brains, get out your marker. We only need one. Write down your team and see if you can either pass me or at least tie what I've created

for a team. Talk this through with the audience so that they can follow along. Oh, yeah, McMichael Brown, Connor Brown. Dewar. Oh, Dewar. Good one. Now, it's all spellings of Connor.

So you can do a Connor and a first name, a Connor and a last name, a Connor with an S. Kyle Connor. A Connor with one N, a Connor with two Ns. Kyle Connor. You can get any type of Connor in there as long as somewhere in the name it features Connor. Timmons on D. Annette Ingram Who's the second one

That's going to be tough McDavid, McMichael Brown, Dewar, Kyle Conner You'll need at least Nine forwards Who were the four Connors that scored in Edmonton Son of a gun At least nine forwards

Plus I had a spare forward so I had ten forwards You guys got what five so far Isn't there another Connor on Edmonton Who we're forgetting brown no no no like one that we're forgetting wasn't it like three they have josh brown uh-huh no but that's the you already have connor brown on there right that was an easy one yeah yeah uh okay oh boy we've hit a bit of a wall yeah you got i'm good we did good we had five forwards one d and one goalie okay yeah but that's connor zary oh hey there you go there you go sorry yeah

yeah forward yeah forward yeah i'm trying to i'm going through like divisions i gotta watch more calgary games they're fun they're fun not anymore they're on a four game losing street oh never mind calgary calgary you're not watching a lot of them either apparently after the hot start they're right now they're five four and one yeah yeah they've been like they were as they're now as bad as they were good yeah yeah no i pay attention timmons and doer i'm trying to think of a connor in ottawa what about like does o'connor count you know what if we want to count o'connor's i can finish my team okay logan o'connor i think that should count oh i should yeah he's a he's a forward oh he's a forward okay i can you're gonna need more space on this board

yeah you wrote way too here here put the d there get your other get your other whiteboard if you really want oh yeah yeah yeah i'll put the d that's a great i forgot the o'connor's that adds uh there's two to my list off the top of my head who's the other one logan o'connor and I know you guys need the other Son of a gun Andrew O'Connor I have a full forward Drew O'Connor

Kyle no Logan O'Connor and Drew O'Connor Who's the one on Pittsburgh I'm just going to tell you it's Drew O'Connor I don't want to Times two I was missing two guys And those two add to my forward group

You guys need four lines We need four forward lines yeah okay you can do that we got we need four more forwards you need five more defense one more goalie yeah you'll know four more defense four how many do you have i've won defense yeah you need three more three more yeah okay you need four defense we're over half that's pretty good it's pretty good montreal michael connor is there not a michael connor in in no there's like there's a mccarran michael mccarran yeah uh the o'connor thing that's probably how they got their full line up the oh great thinking uh okay okay okay rangers

all right lafreniere i'm not getting one it's not coming to my head um it's gonna be on like carolina or something islanders hurricane yeah i feel like the hurricanes could have some conners any on the florida connor burns connor could the panthers have them and and what about the lightning too who's their who's their new connor burns no that was a joke i'm joking i'm joking oh jesus adam hellebuck oh there you go those are those are my two goalies hellebuck and ingram that's a pretty good tandem one hell of a tandem yeah hey oh oh this guy yeah there you go um oh jesus how did i get ingram before hellebuck the frig's wrong with me um i think it was because we got Kyle Connor and then I glossed

over it. Philly? They must have Connors. I think they've got a Connor there. That feels like a Connor place. The place to have them. Minnesota feels like a Connor place too. Yeah. They had Dewar.

They don't anymore. This is not a bad team, by the way. No, it's really not. The Connor team would be a playoff. The all-Connor team. Easily. If the Connor team was at the world cup of hockey would they beat some of europe like the old one how many national programs would the all connor team beat a lot a lot but dard oh idiots jesus i know you reach a block and then you're like i can't you reach a mental block how long do

people scream but darda so that's that's three full lines we have that's crazy and so through some googling while you guys were doing this i do have uh my two extra d that are missing but they're made up of guys who are not in the nhl right now so you could do that if you really wanted to go ahl you can get two guys who played recently but aren't nhlers and then you could probably fill out the connor's connor shin sherry connor sherry oh shit oh nice i was kidding there's another forward no no keep just making up names and then maybe you'll stumble on something connor smith connor campbell connor miroshnichenko

chris lefskers yeah they went down cory connors wait isn't there a professional golfer oh shit canadian is there a connors how do we feel about charlie conacher no damn no i know is there a connors oh there might be a connors there's a lot of connor that's not one i can think of okay oh man i'm gonna tell you right now i have no connors on my list okay the only connors i right now googling there's a bob connors who played uh for the new york americans in 1926 27 this is great are there connors hiding on utah such a forgotten team yeah yeah you know what i mean what about mick connor who's

clayton keller no mick connor yeah jim mick connor hayton barrett mick connor logan connor logan logan connor logan oh man logan o'connor you know what he's already on why don't we uh why don't we just call it do we have to call it oh you're gonna fail no we're not gonna fail i'll give you one minute of brainstorming we're gonna we need a defenseman yeah you guys you guys are struggling with the defense it's weird who do you have connor timmons oh how is that the only one yeah no think defense think connor think defense Frigg Like anyone on the Blues

It's harder than you think When you're put on this It's terrible Like Krug Obviously not You're missing a former Leaf Connor Carrick Oh shit

I forgot he was still playing But he is He's in the AHL right now He has played no games this season But he's in the system of the... There's also a former Connor. Is Connor Carrick not in the... You're thinking of

Sam Carrick, aren't you? Yeah. He plays for who's Bakersfield? Oh. Edmonton. Edmonton. Edmonton? There you go. So yeah, Connor Carrick's with the AHL team in Edmonton. He's a nice guy. I liked Connor Carrick. Played with the Cotralli Valley Firebirds last season. One game with the Bruins in

22-23 is the last time Connor Carrick played in the NHL. Shane Wright. But he counts for the purpose of this game. Who the hell do they have on D? I don't know. Let's just call it. All right. Ah, damn.

Let me just pull up. Who's the one guy? Taking that long with Bedard and Hellebuck is... Yeah. Okay, so I'll read out the names. Give me what you got. Give me what you got. Okay, so we got McDavid, McMichael, Connor Brown, Connor Dewar, Kyle Connor, Connor Zeri.

Go a little slower for me. Sorry. Oh, sorry. McDavid, McMichael, Connor Brown, Connor Dewar, Kyle Connor, Connor Zeri, Logan O'Connor. who's the other guy drew o'connor yeah connor bedard yeah connor shiri okay that's the forward group that's almost an entire four yeah who else did we miss and then you got carrick and tim is on d all right and then hellebuck and ingram okay so we're missing three forwards uh 2d i think off the top of our head that's pretty good pretty pretty darn good my forward

group i think of of the missing you guys are only missing two guys in the forward group oh i had garland oh garland and connor geeky oh fuck oh and then i fuck i uh i deleted the the extra guy i had jail i bet um and then for the defense connor carrick yeah connor timmons connor murphy the black defenseman okay connor clifton oh yeah where's he now boston still i believe he's a boston okay yeah connor clifton so there you go that's it but yeah that's the the that's the full uh four forwards right one two three four yeah four is mcdavid connor zary badar doer brown those are first two lines third line is geeky drew and logan fourth line mcmichael shiri garland yep that's four lines that's crazy uh forwards uh connor and then we did the 4d

and then hellebuck and ingram and then if you really want to stretch you could do connor co-karen who was drafted by the vegas golden knights still plays in the ehl right now like there's a there's a guy who's not in the nhl and then there's connor mckay i believe who played a couple years ago with the ragers if you really want to stretch for two you could just go to the ahl and pulled two connors but like it's really two pairs of d's a full forward group and two goaltenders. All Connor. Man, that was a lot of fun. That's fun. Dylan McConnereth. Yeah. Wow.

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