The Steve Dangle Podcast - Cream City | January 29, 2020

Episode Date: January 29, 2020

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, let's not discuss the Predators just yet (00:00), who wore the crown?!? (03:00), NOW we discuss the state of the Nashville Predators (11:30), who are the Toronto Maple Leafs? (38:30), should the Leafs trade for Josh Manson? (47:00), how gone is Tyson Barrie? (52:00), Adam's apology and we don't say nice things about the Ottawa Senators (1:08:00), the Seattle Kraken and the shockingly terrible NBA City Jerseys (1:22:00), the Oilers vs Flames tonight! (1:39:30), Steve has a story (1:46:30), and the press conference: Adam's jeans and a wild YouTuber (1:51:00). Originally aired: January 29, 2020 Watch the full episode here: https://youtu.be/_BxzlZEznqM Merch: https://teespring.com/en-GB/stores/fancydangleshirts Follow us on Twitter: @Steve_Dangle, @AdamWylde, & @JesseBlake Follow us on Instagram: @SteveDangle, @AdamWylde, & @Jesse.Blake Subscribe to us on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/steve-dangle-podcast/id669828195?mt=2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I just want to ask you after a week off kind of a skid going into that week off and then the all-star game what would today's episode feel like if the Leafs had not won on Monday how bad would would it be? Trashed. Trashed. Every camera would be on an angle.

One of the lights would be flickering. I just, no. I would destroy it all. I wouldn't be able to contain myself. What is happening? I'll tell you what's happening. The Leafs are doomed. It's been amazing because, and I love this,

when the Leafs do well, it's great. Super great. I prefer it. My preference as well. However, the statistical outpouring about how the Leafs have been under Keefe and all that has been amazing online, and some really incredible stuff. Like, the comparisons to Babcock and Keefe.

However, had they lost, I don't think we would be here, gentlemen. I think we'd be talking about how could you lose to a team like Nashville? The clock is ticking on Sheldon Keefe. Clock's ticking. I mean, what have you done for me lately? You know, you had that hot streak. Exactly. But now it's like you're a bum.

Go back to Cumberland or whatever the team was that they keep bringing up for no reason. I don't care about what he did before the OHL. Yeah, I don't know why people care. You know what helps the situation? What? When you play a team that's not really an NHL team at the moment. Oh. And they don't, because they're not currently playing like it.

And that's Nashville Predators, who looked miserable on Monday. So, Jesse brings up a very good point. So, when I watch hockey, I cannot help but key in on the Leafs. I watch what the Leafs do to that other team, but I have a harder time watching what the other team does to the Leafs. You know what I mean? Paying attention to the other team. It is rare that I catch myself going, wow, this team sucks. Yeah.

When did the Preds start to suck? They suck. It's weird, but you watch the Preds. Which is, by the way, you're welcome. They're about to go on a 10-game tear. Yeah, but as it stands. You watch them, and you're like, there's nothing good here. It's not a special team anymore.

There's something missing. They always played above. They usually got good goaltending. They didn't really have too many weak spots on the team. But, like, who's elite? Like, who's elite on the Nashville Predators? Some people will argue Roman Yossi. Okay, there's one.

Up front, who you got? Phillip Forsberg falls under very good. This is a conversation I want to hold off. Oh, yeah? Because we've got to get in a crown. Oh, yeah, we've got to do the crown. So we've got to do that. First off, let's say...

Prince, I'm going to carve you up, but first... Who wore the crown? Live generously. Life will treat you royally. Why not pour yourself on a friend? Why not? Crown Royal, because we're going to talk about who wore the crown, where we, with the help of you, recognize one Leaf player each show that gives it their all for the blue and white

because it's our town, it's our crown, and it's not about what you have, but what you have to give. So let's crown that Leaf that lives generously by giving it all for the team brought to you by our friends at Crown Royal. Live generously. Let's get into it. Steve Dangle. Adam, I want you to go first.

You want me to go first? Yeah. Well, I think my crown is pretty easy. I'm going to give it to the Sandman. Yeah! Yeah! I have to say, I'm watching your video yesterday. And by the way, I was watching the video.

My house is under renovation. We haven't had a fridge for a month and a half. That's good. And so we're downstairs in this unfinished basement on the carpet, and I've got the TV set up. and usually what I do with the baby is I sit her up because she's sitting up on her own and she's at the stage now where your whole goal is to hand them new things

every five to ten minutes once they're bored with the old thing and things that won't kill them. So they want to grab everything. She wants to grab literally everything. Sunglasses, remote controls, power outlets, everything. So she can't really move yet. She's not crawling.

So basically she just sort of sits there. And so what I do is I set up the TV with you on it, and I watch your LFRs there, and so the only time I can get her to stop playing with whatever she's playing with is when you're on the screen and going through a rant, and so when you did your rant, she was, I tried to get video of it, I have some of it, it's not very good, but she would just kind of stop and stare at the screen. How much of it was laughter, and how much of it was concern?

I think it was just general awe. Not sure. This guy's got some things to say. Don't know how to take this energy, but yeah, she was watching her Uncle Steve, and so I So I was sitting there, and I watched your last video, and I think my favorite part was this WCW entrance that you talked about, and then you tweeted about it, and it's the guy from the crowd, and you're talking about, it was very niche, it was very, like, if you'd mentioned it on the podcast, Jesse and I would have been like, that is too niche, we don't

know what you're talking about. Hey, you guys ever see One Night Stand, ECW 2005? Yeah, like, and you're talking about the guy smacking himself in the head with a hockey Just a fan Which actually happened Yeah It's amazing Oh Steve you're so nuts

No this all happened All based on true events A fan just grabbed a wrestler's weapon And hit himself like a solid half dozen times And they had the rights to Metallica Enter Sandman The whole song And he entered from the crowd

It's amazing So cool Unreal Yeah The whole building sang the entire song word for word Anyway He cracked seven beers before getting in the ring. Oh, it's amazing.

I remember ECW, which one was it, 2006? Oh, the one I'm talking about? 2005. Okay, 2006, I believe, was the year someone had a sign that said, if John Cena wins, we riot. And it was the first time I had seen the crowd go against the babyface. I think that was 2005. Okay, I think it was the same one.

Rob Van Dam? Yeah, it was when Rob Van Dam won the title against John Cena, and it blew my mind Because it was the heel was the babyface who was a heel to this crowd and everybody hated John Cena Top face in the company. Yeah, top biggest superstar on earth. They had that sign. I was like, this is so Frickin cool They do that thing Adam where they where they grab each other and one guy punches and the other guy reels and then he comes back and punches it so they take turns punching. Rob Van Dam

punched. Yeah! Cena punched. Boo! And it was happening. Yeah! Boo! You've got to watch the whole show. I will watch it. RVD vs. John Cena was 2006. Oh, it was 2006. He was amazing.

Probably the best pay-per-view I've ever seen. Say your prayers. Just when the music hits. Yeah, so good on the rock. Yeah. Yeah, the crown. So anyway, Rasmus Sandin played good, so he is my crown. Absolutely.

I want to talk about a player who's been good all season, integral part of this team, integral part of the top six, and frankly does not get enough love on this show. You know, it's one thing to have an epic pass like Rasmus Sandin, it's another to corral the thing, so my crown goes to William Nylander. Wow! My crown goes to William Nylander, he just does not get enough love on this show. The way he was able to, it's like he willed the puck onto his stick. He knew with his back turned to the puck, with it bouncing, with it rolling all over

the place, how to corral it, and then after all of that, at top speed, he beats Pecorine. When are we going to start talking about how good William Nylander is? Gosh darn it, he gets my crown. I don't know, Jesse. When are we going to start talking about how good William Nylander is? I think it's about time that we did start talking about William Nylander and how fantastic he's been all season. Because this past game, he set a new career high in goals.

There it is. There it is. What is that, 27? No, no, a lot less than that. Oh, Mitch Marner's career high is 23. Yeah, I think it's like 23. I don't have it in front of me. But I was listening to Justin Bourne talk about William Nylander.

And Justin Bourne said, train him. And Justin Bourne said, get that guy out of here. So he's got 23 goals, and this is his career high? Yeah, new career high. Anyway. Sorry, what was Bourne saying? He was saying how— Who the hell is that, by the way?

We expect, if a guy's in his early 20s, he's a teenager or whatever, we expect them to get better. We expect them to get better. But William Nylander, you've seen over the last year and a bit how he's actually become physically bigger and how now he goes into the corner

he can actually get the puck away when there are guys around him and it's just it's so impressive to see him this year really put that on display

where he's just a bigger body on the ice like we said with his Instagram pictures that guy's right he's no longer a boy that's a man

that's a thick ass boy damn Willie that's a thick ass Willie by the way TikTok is our favorite you need to get on TikTok

I really like it I still just follow a guy who just screams at me to sleep more and drink water. Yeah, that guy. And I like the guy with the duck. Oh, Gary. Gary!

Gary! Gary, you said that on fire! Gary, you're a duck! Yeah, it just ends, you're a duck! Here, the guy who tells you to live your best life and drink water is butt-like box gnome cool doe on TikTok. There you go. Anyway, no, William Nylander and John Tavares have a real chemistry going, and I thought it showed on Sandin's goal, actually, because Tavares has the puck, and it's great having a linemate like that if you're William Nylander, because you see him with the puck, you're like, ah, he's not going to lose it, it's not Tavares.

Who's going to take it off him? No one. So he goes right behind the net, and Tavares knows he's going to be there, Willy knows that's the play, and that starts them off on the right path. Two Predators go on to William Nylander, Kerfoot's like, yoink, thanks, I'll take that very much. He gets the one scoring chance, is stopped, and then Sandin obviously bags the rebound. They got something special. And Pierre Engvall, who I keep bringing up is so damn important to this team because if he works as third line center Kerfoot gets to stay there and they have two really really unfun lines to stop yeah no kidding well three well this is why it's so surprising to me it's so surprising to me that they're like oh let's uh I think

Kerfoot's gonna be the guy that gets traded well I said that earlier but now he's he was lacking a purpose in the lineup. He was sort of a placeholder. He wasn't particularly important to the power play or the penalty kill. His line wasn't really producing at five on five. Now he's got to roll.

He's got to roll, and coincidentally that line's rolling. That's right. I just wanted to see what Jesse would do with the crown. That's Who Wore the Crown this week, brought to you as always by Crown Royal. Next time the puck drops, why not? Why not? Live generously and treat your Leafs crew to a Crown Royal old-fashioned Why not?

Thank you. I thought you were going to rob people of that. No, no. Now, before we get into the Leaf game, I want to get into the Predators. And how they stink back into the Predators. Well, I had at least three people on my DMs on Twitter ask me the same sort of question. They slid. Now, you've heard the question of what comes first, the chicken or the egg?

What comes first, Matt Duchesne or teams underperforming? Yo, I, listen, it makes no sense and is probably purely coincidental. However, it's staggering, isn't it? Matt Duchesne has played in the playoffs three times in his career for a total of 18 games. Once his first season, once his fifth season, and then last year. And he's done well. With the blue jackets. Yeah, with the Blue Jackets.

Yeah. I mean, he's done well in the playoffs. Yeah, but you've got to get there. Right. You've got to get there. Yeah, but now he has to get there with the Predators because he has a contract that lasts until the end of time that's paying him $8 million. Yeah, but he likes country music, guys, so he's perfect for that.

This is another... And he's very particular about sticks. Guys. Yeah. So he likes it. He's from Halliburton, home of the Cozy Corner. Oh, really? Try the bacon on a bun.

I hope they do another story on how Matt Duchesne likes country music, and that's why he signed in Nashville I'm so excited to hear that again Hey Matt, so Matt, I'm excited. I heard you like country music. Yeah, I do. It's great Cool man, all right, so we got a game coming up tonight between the Calgary Flames and the Ottawa Senators. So Matthew Brady your brothers Let's beat that to death So how long have you been brothers? Brady's 20, so 20 years. 20 years and we're only finding out about it now?

Why is that? In this economy? Why do you think that is? Matthew and Brady are brothers. At this time of day, in this part of the country. Seriously. John Tavares and P.K. Suba, you were on the same team 11 years ago. Speak about it for 20 minutes, please.

Please. What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm sure, listen, if Matt Duchesne... We played the sport of hockey together. Yes, there's only like 200 guys in the year that can do this. So it's the whole interview, it's 45 minutes long, and it's John Tavares mumbling while Subban just, he does this. Yeah, that's right.

He just does that point up, and that's it. You have the one talkative guy in the NHL, he doesn't say anything, he just points up. Just points up. So why has Ryan Johansson fallen off a cliff? That's a good question. I think there's 10 minutes versus the Leafs and seven shifts. I think there's 80? Yeah, that's bad.

No, 14 shifts, sorry. That's bad. Okay, so. And who were his line mates? Kelly Arncroke and Austin Watson? That's the chicken and egg thing for me. I'm like, why does Ryan Johansson suck? Oh, he's playing with Kelly Arncroke, who I like, but not that high up in the lineup.

And Austin Watson. Yeah, but he's playing with those guys because he hasn't been good. Well, that'll fix it. That'll surely fix it. I think Hines was trying to send a message. You know, you play him for the lowest amount he's played in the last, like, five years. I guess. They're also spending, like, okay, the Leafs are spending $22 million on John Tavares and Austin Matthews.

But for that money, they get John Tavares and Austin Matthews. The Nashville Predators are spending 6 plus 8 is 14, plus 9 is 23, plus whatever half millions of dollars that I'm missing in there. They're paying like $24 million for Johansson, Torres, and Duchesne. And none of them are mind-blowing. Like, remember we had the talk about undeniable money? 22, by the way. Oh, is it 22? 22 on Brian Johansson, Duchesne, and Turris.

8, 8, and 6. Oh, does Duchesne make 8? Yes. I don't know why I thought he made 9.5. No, 8, 8, and 6. Oh, okay. Well, never mind, though. Well, never mind for him in particular.

I wanted to get into, remember we had the conversation of undeniable money? Like, is Marner undeniable? Because he's asking for undeniable money. He's been pretty tough to deny this year, that's for sure. But I just look at the Preds roster And how many certifiable First liners You see on that team

Forsberg? Dushane can And Forsberg Here's the question Is Matt Dushane A top Line player on a Stanley Cup winning team There are plenty of guys who can play the top line

But are you a top line player On a Stanley Cup winning team Like Andreas Athanasiou in Detroit Playing top line minutes But on a Stanley Cup winning team That's not very nice Well he's not though You pick a team that's historically bad

And be like hey that guy You suck Well no but I was going to compare him I was going to compare him to Dylan Larkin Who I think on a Stanley Cup winning team Would be on the top line Or could be anyway Could be

You know what I'm saying Could be The point I'm trying I took an extreme example Another category to Matt Duchesne. Do you really? To be honest, well, yeah, where I really like him as a player. I do.

But as the star, I guess, yeah, it's not like he's played with great players. No, ever. Ever, really. Yeah, that's a tough one for Larkin. But like Matt Duchesne, the difference, like, there are guys who go through their career and they just have no luck when it comes to the playoffs. Jay Bomeester had no luck for the longest time, and then he finally got his cup. But he played for two teams, I think.

He played for Florida forever, and they sucked forever. And then he goes to the Blues, who also sucked for a while under Jay Bomeester, or with Jay Bomeester. Duchesne's played with a big ol' bunch of teams. And good teams and good talent. The Sens started to suck immediately. Immediately. Yeah, that was the moment he showed up. The unraveling of Eric Carlson and everything else.

Like, it was bad. It seemed like it was him. And it was weird because Colorado went the exact opposite direction the second he left. Yes. Well, and he was this storm cloud. He wanted to get traded. Remember that picture he took at training camp? So I'm just here for my teammates, and then they took a picture,

and he's like, just get me out of here. Why couldn't he have been? We've heard stories over the past year or so of players going, yeah, I want out, or Tyson Berry, ask for a trade. Probably still wants a trade. I don't know. He's been close to a point a game under Keefe. Yeah, that's true.

While still getting, oh, we'll get to Tyson Berry later. And then they see how the season plays out And they go, oh I don't want to trade anymore Like if he just hung on For like a month and a half He might have decided, oh actually I like Colorado I can't blame him For Ottawa because

Really, he's the reason Ottawa sucked Last year With all that bullshit that was going on Yeah, not his fault Then he goes to Columbus They barely make it I don't really think that's his fault. They win the first round.

Yeah. He contributed to that. Yeah. And now... He had 10 points in the playoffs last year. He was good. Yeah. But now the Preds are...

They are. Like, what is it? Like, is it just the worst luck in the universe? It seems that way. I mean, this guy sat through that entire Avs rebuild. That looked like... I mean, it was like... He sold low!

Yeah. He sold low! It was like rebuild one from 2010 to 2014. And then they missed the playoffs again for the next six years and you wonder or three you're sorry four years and you wonder okay I mean, I don't blame him for asking for a trade. It's like when is this finally gonna happen for me? Mm-hmm. What does Ryan Johansson make? I want to know eight million dollars turn to the other ever and ever on. Yeah, so he makes eight million dollars Yeah, so if I gotta choose between Matt Duchesne and Ryan Johansson, I choose Matt Duchesne. So

Already, we know that contract sucks because he signed it Long before Matt Duchesne did He was also traded for Seth Jones So you're looking to get that value Well, no, you already lost that too This dude has four more points Than Zach Hyman Who missed the first

Month and a half of the season With recovering From surgery And is the grinder On his line He's the go in the corners and work it guy What's going on here? Oh, we're missing Ryan Ellis.

Okay. No. Holy shit. Like, everyone's missing someone. Well, he's an important someone. Okay. Ryan Johansson has not had over 20 goals since 2014, 2015. You're joking.

No. And it's funny because when he signed the deal, and that was, like, right after the magic run that Nashville went on in the finals. Yeah. I would have thought, I thought at the time, like, oh, that's a good deal. But who could have predicted that several years later we'd be sitting here and he's not even cracked 20? What was his injury? Because didn't he have like a ridiculous, wasn't it like, there was like flesh eating something? I don't remember what it was.

It was really scary. Like, is that still with him? I don't think so. I don't know. No, no, no. Not like the effects of it, I mean. Oh. Good question.

Because, yeah, it's gone. The magic is gone there, man. Yeah. It's gone there. Now he's still getting a pile of assists Like last year he had 50 assists Great Good play guy

But not 8 million dollars That's why goal scoring is worth more than playmaking A playmaker with no one to pass to Is a passer What if I tell you Matt Duchesne has had Two 30 goal seasons And he's been in the league for 10 years

I mean How many times has he eclipsed Let's say 60 points Twice Yeah Maybe I think we got a lot of name Name recognition

Sorry Ottawa 12 3 times I forgot to add Columbus and Ottawa 3 times He could be a top 100 player

Of all time That's right With 3 60 point seasons 3 30 goal seasons 3 times 60 point Get her back 2 30 Oh he's won

30 goal game 1 30 goal season To be in consideration For the next What's special Right What's special How about either of those guys?

Nashville Predators. Well, and I just, I mean, listen. Ellie Tolvanen didn't hit. No, he didn't. He's supposed to be the best player, not in the NHL. Just all these guys. All these guys. And so then you look at the coaching situation, too.

So they fire Peter Laviolette, who's not had the best goaltending either. It's like, really, you just look at the goaltending of teams that are not doing well. I think Toronto's case, you actually have a legitimately different thing. Because Freddie Anderson was playing really well those first 25 games or whatever it was under Mike Babcock. But other than that, most of the guys that have been let go this year have just bad goaltending. And I don't know how Pecorino is really doing, but I believe it's not been very great. And, like, I couldn't quote you his numbers. Okay, well, Pecorino has always been a magical, mystical goalie.

I know both of their goalies are under a 900. Both? He's an 897. Really? 16 and 11. Yeah, man, they're just super not special to me. Here's an interesting thing about it. This is the difference between last year and this year for Pecorino,

who has up and down years. Like, I'm going to go through the last six years with you. 923 save percentage, 908. 918, 927, 918. Like, he's up and down and up and down and up and down. 918 is still very good. But then he's got an 897 this year. And what's fascinating about this, to me, is his goals against average.

Because it is a full half goal, a game, higher than it was last year. Which is a team stat, but we're talking about why the Predators aren't good. And, yeah, there you go. He's at almost three goals a game allowed. So I was going through it for the LFR that your daughter watched. And, like, Rene allowed two goals on the first three shots. That's bad. I'm looking at what the goals were, and I'm like, I'm sorry.

They're not bad. I just don't know what he was supposed to do. William Nylander splits the D, and it's amazing. William Nylander, yeah, with a godlike pass from Zandine. And Zach Hyman is able to score Because Roman Yossi tells his defense partner To pick up Austin Matthews He doesn't

Rene panics Goes over to Matthews' side And Hyman's just like Sure, I'll take that He gets a fortunate bounce And he whacks it in So Like, I'd be curious

I know Goalie analytics or whatever Isn't quite as advanced But I'd be curious to know What's his What's his high danger Like is he really Is he giving his team

A chance on nights Where they don't Necessarily deserve it Because Sounds like they don't Deserve it a lot His team didn't help him At all

And his record Isn't too bad Like he's 16-11-3 They could make the playoffs And UC Soros is 6-8 Yep So it's not They could make the playoffs

Still Right But I just look at them And I'm like Like that David Poyle is a GM Who's not afraid To shake it up

And that team Needs to shake up In the worst way Why was John Hines brought in Do we know why? Because he didn't have success in New Jersey. That was a complete

failure after all of those off-season moves, and then it seems like they rushed and brought him in. I understand maybe Laviolette getting stale, but is Hines the guy you're firing? Peter Laviolette had a pretty good record. I want to know who in the front office he previously worked with.

Why are we looking for a complicated answer? It's hockey. That's what it was. Right? Isn't that how it works maybe like he made the playoffs with a weak new jersey team once and now everyone thinks you know well he'll get the most out of our guys like is that like how long can he ride that it's the nhl so what are we talking about 25 years you got another 25 years of doing this i think you have to win a cup to get 25 years you might get 10 on on whatever well randy carlisle

wrote it for 11. He wrote his cup for 11. That's how bad he was, by the way. He only got 11 more years out of the cup. Come on now, Randy. Come on, Randy. Damn, Randy. Well, Randy was a particularly rough case. Oh, baby, maybe this time.

No, not this time. Not this time. Anaheim again, part two. Let's try it. I look at Nashville like you said, nothing special, nothing remarkable, and it doesn't seem like there's any ability to do it. And I bring it back to Matt Duchesne because, first off, I think country music sounds better when you're getting paid $8 million a season and there's no income tax or whatever it is. They've got, like, low income tax or something there.

And also, it's a rocket city. People are like, oh, it's the taxes. That's why everyone wants to sign in Nashville. No. Go to Nashville and you'll understand why people want to sign in Nashville. It's amazing. But I wonder what you can do because you're stuck with Ryan Johansson's deal. No one's taking that.

So what's the shakeup look like? If David Poyle's the guy that's so aggressive on that sort of thing, you know, they dealt from a position of strength with P.K., as in they got rid of him, or they got rid of his contract, right? Because that was really the whole point, is to dump P.K.'s contract so they could sign Matt Duchesne. Well, and it's a shame, right? Because you go, okay, we can afford to lose P.K. Subban

because we have Ryan Ellis, and then Ryan Ellis goes down, and all of a sudden the whole Jenga tower. But Ryan Ellis, as great as Ryan Ellis is, can't be responsible for the fact that the forwards aren't scoring. The whole damn thing. Dude, who's their leading goal scorer? Isn't it Forsberg with 16? And he's missed games, but not very many.

It's Forsberg with 16. That's horrible. That's horrible. See, when they were winning, like really winning, they had, like, James Neal. But James Neal doing really well. James Neal, the one thing you cannot deny is he's got that finish about him. There's something about him, he just scores goals.

Bangs and goals. And if your team makes the playoffs with him, he'll bang in goals there, too. Yeah, I mean, James Neal Not that he'd be the solution now No, but he's a big game player Yeah The key is to get into big games And the Preds might not actually do that this year

Wow Hard to imagine, eh? Yeah Like, they're just It's just such a strong team for such a long time They're the opposite of what Nashville is As a city, they're meh Good point

They're boring, it's a boring team On the other half Well, yeah, and again The John Hines thing didn't make sense to me It's like, okay, you needed to fire Peter Laviolette now to get John Hines for what? I don't know. Like, I understood. I still don't understand what Vegas did, but I can understand why they like Pete Tabor.

I get that. Sure, but like. I don't understand. Firing Gallant because you're not getting goaltending. Yeah, that didn't make sense. Maybe that was one where they go, well. But I can understand why they like him. John Hines, John Hines I don't get.

I don't get yet. I liked him when he pulled New Jersey to the playoffs. That was, what, four years ago? It was two years ago. What, still? Eighteen months. That was six years ago. Six years ago.

You're hiring him because 12 years ago? Well, there's a lot of coaches. When Taylor Hall won the heart? There's a lot of coaches. As a junior player? 24 years ago? Wow. Whoa.

Whoa. Who won the Cup 24 years ago? Won the Avs in their first season? Won the Cup, yeah. And Duchesne was cheering for them because he was an Avs fan. Let's talk about how he's an Avs fan, too. Not enough is made of how mad Quebec City should be about that. Losing their team?

Yeah, well, the first year they lose them, they win the Cup. Yeah. No, it's terrible. I've seen a couple things where there was a push to, no, keep them there one more year, they might actually do it. I was you know what else I was I was just talking to someone about today What's it like for the other guy in an all-time fleecing trade like where you're the guy? Going to the team that got fleeced like Jocelyn Tebow. What is it like to be Jocelyn Tebow?

What is it like to be the guy who was traded for Patrick Waugh and have his team win the Cup immediately as soon as you Leave oh, and then you're in Montreal like Colby Armstrong is good humored about being the guy who was traded for Marian Hossa. Right. Also,

the trade didn't directly lead to a cup for the team. It led to a Stanley Cup final. We know all the Marian Hossa stuff. I don't think he's mad about it.

He won three after that anyway. But like, what's the three he ended up with? He was with the Blackhawks for all of them. Oh, wow. 10, 13, and 15.

Wow. What is it like being Jocelyn Tebow? Yeah, I don't know. I don't think anyone's ever asked him. I wouldn't want it asked. You wouldn't?

I think that's an interesting question. I'd change my name to Other Guy. If I was traded for Patrick Waugh, are you joking? Ken Reed needs to write Other Guy. The stories of the other guys in the trade. I was traded for a story. Hi, I'm Mike Krushaninsky, and I was traded for Wayne Gretzky. Right?

Or no, was it Mike Krushaninsky? I don't even remember. Gretzky trade, yeah. I don't even remember. Who is, oh my god. Like, you know Marcus Naslin was drafted? Hi, I'm Jimmy Carson. Yeah.

Who? Who was a first-round draft pick that they thought was going to be really, really good. Martin Jelena was involved in that as well. Okay. Yeah, but... Who's Jimmy Carson? I don't know. He was a first-round draft pick of the LA Kings.

They thought he was going to be a pretty good player. Turned out to be okay. Actually, now I have two things. Marcus Naslum was not drafted by the Canucks. Who was he drafted by? The Pittsburgh Penguins. I think he even played for them. And he was drafted for...

Dude. Like, I don't remember the guy's name At all, don't remember Also, someone asked, because on Ice Surfing We were bringing up Can you guys do this? I have to run Two seconds The Sens have a legitimate shot

At picking twice in the top five this year Yes Because they have San Jose's pick Well, Adam, the Sedins were not The last They were not the last Duo of players to be drafted top five by the same team in the same draft.

Do you know who it was? In the top five by the same team. In the same draft. So the Sedins was 99 and they were the second most recent. The brothers. Yes. By the same

team? The same team. No, I have no idea. See, the water's broken in this building. Where is Adam going right now? I don't know. I offered him water. Because you can't go in that bathroom. No, no, no. Alright. Same team, Same draft 2000

Okay New York Islanders Who is it? First overall pick Rick DiPietro Does Rick DiPietro have a brother? Who did not pan out? Fifth overall pick

No way! Guy who you cannot believe went fifth overall Ended his career with the Leafs technically Okay Rafi Torres What? Rafi Torres went fifth overall in 2000 I thought you said this was a pair of brothers.

No, I didn't say brothers. I asked you if it was brothers. I don't know. You kept saying brothers. Yeah, and I asked, and you should have said no. I don't remember. Okay. Okay, my bad.

So Rafi Torres. Does Rick DiPietro have a brother? And I was like, no, but I'm going to continue. I thought it was brothers. Sorry, I was distracted by where Adam was going to be. Yeah, me too. Where did you pee? No, I had to go.

He had to go to water. You're not on mic, so you can't just talk. You can hear him. So, Rick DiPietro And Rafi Torres Were both drafted in the top five By the New York Islanders In 2000

Rafi Torres He was a beast for Team Canada Back in the World Series That was back when I really used to watch that tournament I forget the point you're trying to make By bringing these two up Oh, just like I went from bad trades to duds

Oh, okay I have to say The drafts in the last five years Especially with the top 10 picks It just seems like They are a lot better At evaluating talent Than they used to be

Yeah You know like You'd have guys like Like Raff Raffy Torres is a great example But like Who was the Who was it the Rangers took

In Hugh Jessamyn The huge specimen No it was Oh the defenseman No it was Patrick Steffen Didn't

Didn't the Rangers take Patrick Steffen Oh yeah they did They did And like he was supposed To be the best And he was like Second overall

Or third overall Was he Like he was not a great He was good Not that good But then you're starting to see I think at least top fives Where maybe not everybody's a superstar

But look at like McDavid The McDavid year Where McDavid's first He's got a future Yeah he might have a future Who was number two that draft? I can't remember Oh Jack Heichel

Yeah He's okay And then you got Stroman And then Marner So out of the top four Like you got three legitimate NHL superstars In the top four on that one Where ten years before

Marner's not going top 10. He's too small. He's probably not even, I don't know if he's going first round. Right? Or he's like the exotic pick. Yeah. Whoa. They can afford this because they have a deep system already.

It's amazing how well and how much better the NHL is at drafting now than they were. I think that there's, it just seems to me, if you look at the actual draft sheets and that sort of thing, the top 10 especially, people are really starting to understand that. Linking this back to Nashville, someone said, dude, go look at Nashville's first round picks from the past decade. Oh. Not good, huh? Just not a ton there. In 2009, they had Ryan Ellis.

And I think that's probably their best first rounder since. That might be why they keep trading their first rounders. Adam, are you talking about Patrick Stephan who missed the goal for the Thrashers? Yeah, for the Dallas Stars. Yeah, for the Dallas Stars. He was drafted by the Thrashers first over. I was thinking about Derek Stephan. Yeah, I was thinking about Derek Stephan, too.

Derek Steffen is through the legs. Do you have that draft, though? Greatest shootout goal ever. No, that was Merrick Malik. Ah, Merrick Malik. Damn it, I'm getting all my Rangers. We have a hockey podcast. Yeah.

Let's start talking about ECW again. Who was second in that draft, though? In the 1999 draft? Yes. I have it right in front of me. It's Daniel Sedin and Henrik Sedin. Okay, and then number four, Rangers. Pavel Brendel.

That's it. Pavel Brendel, who only played 78 games. Yeah, so the funny thing about that, and I remember this story. So, Brian Burke obviously had to wheel and deal to get the second and third overall pick in that draft. But he's notoriously said, like, I wanted Brendel, too. So, I mean, oh, what a genius for nailing the Sedins, dude. He wanted a bust as well. But then you look at, like, the rest of the...

Tim Connolly went number five. Brian Finley, who played four games ever in the NHL, was a goalie. Who had the most points in the 99 draft? Because I remember leading into that... It was a Sedin. Well, yeah, but then what's the drop-off? Henrik Daniel, then Henrik Zetterberg.

Who was what? Seventh round? Seventh, yeah. It was notoriously a bad draft. And Forbata was another good pick by the Avs at 212, two picks behind Zetterberg. And Havlat to the Sens at 26.

So it wasn't a bad draft, it's just people didn't know how to scout. So the Predators drafted Martin Erat at 191. Good pick for that late The Martin Erat trade was really bad Yes But the Martin Erat pick was not bad

In 800 games the guy had 545 goals Or points That's not a bad number That's a great career That's a hit for them That trade was a hit They need another hit It's been a while

I wonder if you combine Nashville's general manager With Vancouver's general managers You get Vancouver's drafting and Nashville's trading Slash signing of free agents With our powers combined If you put those two together You put Poyle and Jim Benning together I think you have a pretty strong staff

Sure Now you're drafting at an elite level You're trading at an elite level And you're signing guys at a B minus Their free agent signings are not always the best In Nashville And definitely not good in Vancouver

But two out of three ain't bad Right? Sure. So we'll go with that. No one's perfect. Nobody's perfect. Now, let's talk about the Leafs because they look like the team that we want them to be. Yes.

And they do this to us, right? They're like, hey, this is us now. And then they have a stinker or a five-game stinker. And you're like, oh, this must be them now. And I wonder which version we're going to get. Like, I tweeted it as soon as the Nylander goal went in and then Nashville came back and scored like 30 seconds later. It's like, as a Leaf fan, you can't enjoy a lead. And you must accept this.

You will never be able to enjoy a lead. Especially a one-goal lead. Ever. A three-goal lead. Yeah, like, a question I'm almost always asked during the LFRs is, how late in the game, or how much time remaining, before you can relax? And the answer for me, like, if it's a three-goal lead? There better be, like, two minutes left.

I think less. I seriously think No because Because then I start Doing the math I mean he's not wrong Right Dude

They have a three goal lead There's 90 seconds left That's a goal every 30 seconds I've seen them do it Yeah but then you could Say that about anything You'd be like Oh five goals

In five seconds You know what Just happen I could say it about everything But I wouldn't be right But you do This is the Toronto Maple Leafs We're talking about

And they do this shit All the time I think you could say it About everything And you find a way To say it about everything What is the Pierre Maguire story

about, he was the coach in Hartford. Is this a Ray Ferraro story? No, this was a Nick Kiprio story. Yes! Okay, so this is a great story. Yeah, they're down I think it was, they're down four goals I think it was, heading into the third. Poor Kips. And

Pierre Maguire, who I was standing next to on the red carpet supposedly said, alright boys the plan is the plan is to score a goal every five minutes! all right let's go and they scored a goal three minutes into the period and he goes all right you see that boys you see that we're ahead of schedule

but he meant it oh it's so bad you have to respect i think the what i think you gotta respect the blind positivity do you not no absolutely not you don't know optimism Optimism is a bad thing to have when it's based in denial. Does that make sense? You should be optimistic. You should. You've got to be rooted in facts, though. I am optimistic that this will be a good show.

Hey, we often have good shows. Why should I be optimistic about that? I'm optimistic I could survive a swim across Lake Ontario right now in January. butt naked, with very minimal swimming skills. Steve makes it the first 20 meters. We're like, look at that, Steve, you're ahead of schedule. Hey, ahead of schedule. Woo!

Woo! Yeah, and they lost that game. No way. Really? Probably drowned. Well, and so, I mean, I hope that we continue to see more of the Leafs that we saw against Nashville, but it's Nashville, and Nashville's not having a good year.

Now their schedule apparently is I saw people debating Whether it was easy or not And it seemed to be sort of split But I don't think the remaining schedule Is as hard as it would have been At the beginning of the year NHL.com did an analysis

Of the most tough schedules going ahead For the rest of the season And Boston ended up with the easiest schedule But it didn't take into account There was a road trip And the majority of their road games Are on the west coast Right

Like it didn't factor those And it was just entirely Based on points percentage So the Leafs ended up Somewhere in like The lower half Of like a really Difficult schedule

I think they were like 20th or like 19th Right So that But everyone's like But they have so little games And they're kind of spread out And they're all on the east coast

So nobody really knows That they have a tough schedule I also want to throw this out there When you're the best team Every schedule Is going to be a little bit Easier for you Right

You know what I'm saying Like when you're Boston And if someone goes Boston's got the easiest schedule Yeah, it's because Boston's fucking great. If you have to look at that shit, odds are you're clawing in anyway. Yeah, I think... You think the Blues are worried about their schedule right now?

Probably not. The Caps are worried about their schedule right now? You play who's in front of you. Yeah. Tampa's worried about it. You win the game. I wonder, obviously, Sandin has become a guy that they can rely on, and having Muzzin and Hall back together certainly made a difference.

Holy shit, did it ever. It's nice. It felt like getting Hall back. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. And it felt like ignoring Cody Ceci again. Yes, yes. It's like, wow, we don't have to focus on that.

Justin Hall is going to make $2 million next year. That's a big raise. It's also decent. That's good bottom-pairing defenseman money. Or bargain top four. When Justin Hall pinches in the offensive zone and nobody covers his ass and it goes the other way. And they allow a goal 30 seconds after they just scored one

That's not helpful Who cares who's playing defense at that point And I don't think him and Dermott are a fit at all Like yeah it felt like getting Justin Hall back And also we got Jake Muzzin back It's a pair Holy shit They got a pair

I felt like they played a solid two weeks without a single pair Can I read you a Justin Bourne tweet From two nights ago Let's go It's so good Cody CeCe's stick has, like, reverse gravity or something. It's rarely on the ice. Always up near his hips in both hands.

Looks like he has to force it down there when the puck comes around. Makes a lot of his touches look panicky. Yes. And so what's interesting about that is I think part of that is the way CeCe skates. And I don't know if he's ever had, and maybe Sens fans can enlighten me, but I don't know if he's ever had, like, a back injury. But the way he skates is very... There's a swing to his upper body when you watch him skate.

He's an awkward skater anyway. What if he's just not very good? Well, I think that's part of it. But, like, you make it to the NHL, like, keep your stick on the ice, kid, sort of thing. You know what I mean? Like, it's at a certain point. And, again, we go back to, why are we playing the guy? I don't know.

I don't know. Like, I can... The games we're talking about, like, you didn't say, hey, he played great. You said, I... We can go back to ignoring him. Yes. Which is good. If I don't see Cody Ceci...

No, it's acceptable. It's acceptable. There's a difference between good and acceptable. You're right. It's acceptable. It will have to make do for now. But, like, you're going into the Stanley Cup final where it's just 20 murderers versus 20 murderers,

except you got 19... 19 murderers. I mean, some of our murderers are pretty good. after wave after wave of guys who are playing their best hockey of their life. And the coach is aiming for you. You know? Oh yeah, they would go after him. First round of the playoffs, Pasternak is like licking his lips like the weasel from Bugs Bunny. Yeah! He wants that shit. Last year he got hit by Jake Muzzin a bunch of times, he didn't like it. I don't want that. Tell you what,

I'm gonna go out there When Cody Ceci's on Brad Marchand is gonna stick him in the balls Bergeron Is literally gonna just take his wallet Then he'll pass it to me For the easiest goal of my entire life You know, so

And then The guy who's supposed to take his spot is 19 I'm okay with it I'm more okay with it But I think we're still in acceptable territory Yeah, you're right I want Sandin in there, but they're just not done with this right side. No, and that brings us to, and this is where it's going to start to pick up.

Okay. Okay, so you're going to start to hear trade deadline talk and stuff. It's almost February. That's how it goes, man. It is how it goes. You really think the Leafs are going to make a trade for the right-handed? Anything major? Because I don't think they're going to make, I don't see them fiddling around.

They have enough marginal depth. You know, like, a lot of times guys will, like, they'll throw, like, a fifth-round pick at a team that's going to miss the playoffs. Like, you know, the Leafs trade for Ryan O'Byrne in 2013 where they threw a fourth-round pick at the Colorado Avalanche. You know, the Leafs would, could do that, looked at doing that last year. But I think they've got the depth that they probably want in terms of defense. You've got Lilligren there. You've got Marinch in there. Lilligren wasn't great in his game, but, I mean, come on.

They were awful. They were playing awful. I feel like in terms of rentals, the best teams usually don't have to do very much. Exactly. I don't think they're going to nip around the edges. I think if they're going to make a move, it's going to be a big move. But do you really see that happening during the season? Can I throw out the name that everybody keeps throwing out?

Throw it. Georgiev. No. Josh Manson. Josh Manson. He's been thrown out there for years. God knows how long. He's still being thrown out.

$4.1 million through 2022. That's a good deal. So you get them next year and the year after. Right-hand defenseman, 28. Probably package it to an Anaheim team that's not doing well at all. I'm into it. But for who? That's the thing.

And what do you have to give up? And for everybody that's wondering, like everybody does this and goes, well, is Josh Manson really the answer? Is Sidney Crosby really the answer? Yeah, Sidney Crosby's the answer to most problems. Is he really, though? Most of what ails you, Sidney Crosby could cure. but is Josh Manson

going to come in and all of a sudden become Nick Lidstrom? No. You work at a convenience store and the high schooler that you have usually working the cash on weekends quits. Sidney Crosby. That's the answer. It's always the answer. Listen, it is always the answer. He walks in there with

them cakes and he sells that hand sanitizer and also gum. Josh Manson is a very good defenseman, but I think what I want to do is just say this beforehand. Temper your expectations when it comes to whoever they bring in. Because unless his name

is Alex Petrangelo, he's not going to win a Norris Trophy. We have to look at this as like they're going to try to move and not kill the offense that they have. And the offensive depth that they have. Because remember, everybody gets injured in the playoffs. And the Leafs have been injured all season long.

We get one Jansen back, we've got to trade Kapanen for him. We get one Kerfoot back, we've got to trade someone else for him. And then one of those guys gets hurt. Yeah, 100%. If you trade Janssen, Kapanen's getting hurt. No, I mean trade to the LCI. If you trade Kapanen, Janssen's getting hurt.

Oh. You know, Tavares has been out. Marner has been out. Riley's out right now. Riley's out right now. He's not even going to be re-evaluated for another, what, five weeks? Ten years. Six weeks?

Ten years. Yeah, yeah. Next time dinosaurs come back. Wow. To the end of Ryan Johansson's contract. It's going to be cool, eh? Yeah, right? Yeah.

That'd be sick. Time's a cycle. You know, it's a flat circle. Yeah. Like, just like the planet, right? Exactly. So anyway Josh Manson

So anyway Josh Manson's gonna be Good Do you think they're gonna Make a move for him? Uh Cause it's Everybody keeps talking about

For so long Well cause here's the thing though The smoke is fire Like if Georgiev costs you Janssen And I've I've started to I've read a lot

And I've started to come off Even giving up Janssen It's like wait a second Wait Like this guy's played like 60 games Like relax And I So I need to get off my horse

On that one And I think New York Needs to get off their horse because they don't have, because they've got three NHL-quality goaltenders, New York does not have the leverage that you would think that they have. Well, yeah, like, you're trading one. You have to trade one. We know you're trading one.

And it won't be Hank. Yeah. And it won't be the other guy because he's apparently better. Yeah. So it's going to be Georgiev. When it comes to Anaheim, I mean, Anaheim doesn't have to trade Josh Manson. So then when you look at how much it's going to cost you, the cost goes up because they're like, well, this is a guy who's on a controlled deal.

This is awesome. Yeah, and another name that comes up is Dumba. Similar situation. Dumba, I don't... Okay, so Dumba is like Riley, but on the left side, and had a pectoral injury, has not come back from it. They say he's been having a good season in terms of his underlying numbers. But yeah, his...

He can score goals, too. He can, but the results haven't been there. Right, because he's not a good team. Sorry, I'm not trying to demean Matt Dumba. But is Matt Dumba going to be the guy... Do you bring him in here to play your style? Sure, he can play that. Yeah. Here's the problem, Adam.

You're going to bring in a guy, and no matter who he is, he's going to be an improvement. So, is Matt Duchesne, Matt Dumba, Alex Petrangelo? Of course not. Is Josh Manson, Alex Petrangelo? Of course not. They're going to be an improvement regardless, because what you're putting them up against is Cody frickin' CeCe. No offense to Cody frickin' CeCe. Freakin' CeCe. Jesus, my mouth. CeCe, right?

But no matter who comes in Because they're going to be an automatic improvement There will be no stopping The planning of the parade There will be absolutely I'll be If the Leafs get Dumba Without significantly

Taking from their current roster I'll be beside myself I will be Inconsolable With glee i'll literally fly to boston just to walk the streets and talk shit but matt dumb is matt dumb is going to drive people as crazy as morgan riley does for the same reasons on the right side and i just want to know if everybody's prepared for that can

we have our tysonberry conversation yeah okay our tysonberry because that that relates right to it okay ian tolick asked a very adorable question i thought on twitter he's like so what's what's going on here with Tyson Berry? He's putting up a bunch of points. He's actually had really good numbers since Sheldon Keefe came on board, but he just, I'm struggling with the Zai test thing with him. And so many people have been saying that, and I'm like, it's like you never watched Jake Gardner play a game in his life. That's exactly what, he's right side Jake Gardner. Yes, except everyone defended him at every turn. Everyone defended him at every turn,

Because he was their hill to die on Gardner or Byron No, Jake Yes No, but he was also the whipping boy Yes, he was He was the whipping boy in the mainstream But we talk about online

And especially the advanced stats community And rightly so for a very long time We were warring over him from 2013 to 19 Yep Six years But he was the original William Nealon But both sides had the case That's true

If Jake Gardner makes a mistake It's a world-ending mistake. It usually leads to the biggest goal of the game. Yes. But with Tyson Berry, what was he advertised as? Jake Gardner, right side. Yep. You got it.

He wasn't that under Mike. He was this boring hunk of nothing. And Sheldon Keefe comes on three goals in three games. It's hilarious. And now, probably not as good defensively as he was under Babcock, but he does stuff. Man, where would the Leafs be without him, with Riley out? I'm telling you.

Fucked. Fucked. Fucked. Oh, man, they blew this trade. Did they now? So I don't understand. What is the complaint? The complaint is that Tyson Berry is not Alex Petrangelo, and that's why I'm saying it.

Why are people complaining that Tyson Berry is under a good coach exactly as advertised? Right. He is exactly what we were told he would be. I saw a tweet, I think, a couple nights ago. it's okay it's fair to say now that the Caudry-Berry Kerfoot trade

was an absolute unmitigated disaster no it's like can you imagine if we went into the playoffs with Caudry Tavares

Matthews and Spezza as our top four yeah and Hall CeCe Lilligrant like Lilligrant

like I think he's gonna be good he's not there yet and imagine you come into the season we know Hall's good now We didn't know that when the season began When we were making the Leafs top six

I wasn't even considering Hall as an option Because a hockey player Has to fill that spot And last year, he was not one He was a hockey practicer So you were going to go into the season With CeCe as your top right-handed guy

A guy who played 11 games last year Or 8, whatever it was And a rookie Who might not be ready I know it's legal It's not that legal guys Pretty tough to make a case to fire Babcock

If you give him a right side that looks like that And people would carve Dubas for it and they'd be right They'd be absolutely right And so what we got Dude I love Kadri I love him I wish he was a Leafs still badly He fucked up

We don't need to dig through all that again I love Nazem Kadri he's doing great in Colorado We knew he would do great in Colorado Cause Colorado needed him I need to tell you what Brian Burke said on the radio. Oh, I can't wait. I bet it was complimentary of Nazem Khadri. Did Brian Burke draft Nazem Khadri?

He might have. He might have, and he might have done it on video. I wish he'd talk about that more. You know what? I would say that if Bergie were here, by the way. Bergie, why so bashful? Please, Brian. About drafting Nazem Khadri.

Who did you draft for the Leafs? I can't remember. You went to Kapanen, huh? Weirdly, he doesn't talk about Tyler Biggs as much. I tripped him about that on trade deadline day last year. See, here's the thing, he's got a good sense of humor, so you know that he'd be like... He really does. Yeah, he doesn't care.

He really does. But, like, Colorado got rid of Tyson Berry because they thought he sucked. No! They had Kiel McCarr coming in. There's one puck. You know what I mean? They needed Kadri up front. Imagine now with, like, why are we treating Berry with these injuries?

Oh, thank God we have Tyson Berry. Why aren't we treating him the way Avalanche fans treated Kadri when Rantanen and Landeskog were out? Where Avalanche fans were going, whoo, what would we be doing without this guy? What would the Leafs be doing without Tyson Berry? And then as a throw-in, they got a guy who was playing with Tavares? It wasn't that bad, guys. It wasn't that you could argue, oh, they should have gotten more, maybe something like that. They got two pretty useful pieces.

Yeah. Even if they ended up trading Tyson Berry Because they still don't think he's the greatest fit They'd be utterly fucked Without him I would say that I don't know that Tyson Berry is the greatest fit Because he doesn't, he didn't cure what ails you

Right, but He stopped the bleeding He did stop the bleeding And when Morgan Rielly went down he became extremely valuable And um I mean he was valuable before It was just he wasn't being used properly And I think

I think you could I mean I wouldn't be shocked To see a move at the trade deadline As a part of a package To get the guy That they think might be A better fit Or a longer term player

I.e. a Manson or a Dumba Do you know what I'm saying? Because you could You could make a case For him being traded In that package And then that team going Okay we're going to

Reflip this guy And grab some more assets For him right? Because he's a valuable piece Or you could just Hang on to him But I think I don't think Tyson Berry

Is here next year By any stretch I don't think they're Resigning him I don't think he's going to stay He's gonna get get paid a lot of money by a certain team. He's perfect in this situation, but I'm not perfect at But he goes back to it, but Tyson Barry's the reason million dollars Yeah, he's good now totally and Tyson Barry at especially at 2.5 million that they're paying him like cares

but but the reason I said what I said about Dumba and Josh Manson is It's the Tyson Barry treatment that I'm worried about these guys show up They get true, you know, they're gonna get it you trade a thing and then it's like well But Matt Dumba is defensively flawed. Who could have known? Everyone! They don't need, the Leafs don't need. Josh Manson isn't Alex Pedrangelo.

Who could have known? Everyone! They don't need to be the Stevens-Niedermeyer defense, though. I think that for a lot of people, they do. I think perception-wise, they do. I'm going to let you in on this, Adam. A lot of people are unreasonable. Ah.

It's not a fair point. They need a, if they come into the playoffs with like the 12th or 13th ranked defense in the entire league, they should literally be cup favorites. Because their offense, I think, is top five. Their goaltending should, on a normal day, is top ten. It has not been a normal day for a few weeks now. And then if their D is like, you know, you could even be bottom half amongst playoff teams Come playoff time

That should be enough to win you at least a round And then it's basically up to the gods You know what I mean? They don't need, everyone's going, okay, who's Alex Petrangelo at this point is, okay, who's the best name we could think of? Right Like, we're talking about, like, what, a top 10 right-handed D in this league? Like, a guy who's going to play for Team Canada

out of the Olympics. On the first line. Like, I want him too. I want a Bugatti. It's all these things we've talked about before. Yeah, it's like, why not just go out

and get John Carlson? You know? Yeah. John Carlson would be exactly the same problem. Great score, defensively a bit flawed. Oh, you can't afford

the Bugatti. Well, how about the Ferrari? No, you're not thinking... Like, no, here's the... Here is... Okay, this is a Mazda 6. It's a good car. It'll get you to work.

We got you the auto starter and the buttons in the wheel. It comes with Apple CarPlay. Fancy. Right. Right? And it costs one-sixth of the price of a Bugatti. Do you want that? I don't know if it's enough to get me to and from work.

I think I need a Bugatti to get to and from work. It would just be really nice if we could have a couple of Acuras and the rest Honda Civics. I'm good with that. Right. Yeah. And an accurate kick at the end of it. Which takes a punch buggy out of your garage. Yeah.

Right? Yeah. It takes your parents' 1995 Ford Taurus station wagon out of the driveway. Speaking from experience, folks. And there you have a... Why are you grateful for this Mazda 6? You know how hard I had to save for this Mazda 6? Brandon Pridham

has not gone home in two weeks so that we can afford this Mazda 6 and you're complaining it's not a Bugatti? What's wrong with you? I paid a full dollar more for this Mazda 6 than I needed to. And I earned every dollar! I break my back

for this Mazda 6! With all the talk of the Leafs' defensive woes we cannot forget that their offensive players need to be better defensively. And the first goal was directly Matthews and Marner's fault. Yes. Marner should have been in support.

I thought it was Matthews. No, because Marner's... There was debate on that. Marner's forward three, so Matthews comes in and Marner's job is to stay back. And Matthews is already down. I don't understand the Matthews argument. Matthews is where he should be. Well, he should or shouldn't be. I thought Marner was the deeper guy on that

play. Because he's coming down from the hash marks. It's his responsibility to be back. No, no, I understand. Regardless of where Matthews is. It was one of those situations, I thought, where I know who's supposed to be doing what, but, like, if Matthews just goes, oh, he's already in it, I guess I gotta cover for him and get back, but, I don't know, they fucked that up. Right. Yeah, so things like that.

And five minutes into his return, Muzzin's, like, sliding across the ice on his knees. I'm like, welcome back, Jake! Have fun with that! You enjoying that? Welcome to the Leafs! You gonna resign? You gonna resign? You wanna resign?

So, like, little stuff like that helps you go from a D- to at least a C, you know? Yeah. And you get some help from your offensive players on the defensive end. You can, you know what? Little things. And this is your lowest mark. Right. You got a few A's.

You got a bunch of A's, A+, a couple B+. You can get into the university you want if you get a C in this one course. Have you just got a C in math? Yeah. Like, we'll let you into journalism. Adam and I did not know Oh you don't need math for journalism Thank god

Everything else needed math Everything else was like well you're going to have to need math And I was like okay Well I guess it's going to be media then Do you want to do Do you want to do this Well not for me I like science

Need math So what are we landing on Tyson Barry doesn't come back No, clearly not. And I just don't know that they get that trade done. I just don't see it happening. And people will carve doobies for that, too. I just don't see the possibility of bringing in even a Josh Manson or a Matt Dunbar this season.

I just don't see it. They don't have the extra pieces in the cap space. I think that they have the cap space if you're trading one of Kerfoot, Cabot, and Jansen, because those three seem to be the guys. Or CeCe, you know? Yeah, you know what? You throw CeCe in. You're absolutely right to a team, because he's expiring.

Who cares? Dude, if you can. No, they'll take him. A team that, a team, like if it's, if it's a trade like it's with Colorado where, quote unquote, hockey trade, with two playoff teams, that's a little different. But if it's a team that's going to clearly miss the playoffs, what do they care? Right. Yeah, we'll take Cody Cece. Like, who cares?

You're paying a million and a half for the end of the year in terms of salary. How about this? Oh, oh, okay. Cece back to Ottawa. For Ron Eazy? Dylan DeMello. Oh. Dylan DeMello.

And you obviously got to spice up that chili there. Can't just give him Cody Cece. But, you know, we're talking about, all right. Cali Cosella. And Dylan, you know? I wish I hadn't gone all the way down to Mazda 6, because now I'm looking at Dylan DeMello, who I like, and I'm like, listen, what we've got here is a,

Adam, help me out. You know cars more than I do. What is a sensible, nice car? Toyota Yaris. The cheapest car in Canada. The Toyota Yaris. And the Toyota Yaris is sensible. I mean, and Dylan DeMello's making, what, 700 grand this year?

Wait, what are you, entering some freaking Grand Prix? No, you're going to and from work. I got this brand new 2020 Dylan DeMello ready to drive off the lot today. For Cody, CeCe, and a second round pick or some shit. Good on gas. That's no toy. I hope it's not a second-round pick. Jesus.

I don't know. Is that what it gets? For Dylan DeMello? I don't think so. I don't know. Maybe there's a bidding war for him. You don't know, right? For CeCe?

No, for DeMello. For CeCe, no. At this point, I don't know if there's much. And also, Cody CeCe does not want to go back to Iowa. I don't think there's much value in even getting rid of Cody CeCe, because how much does it even save you on the cap? Well, I think if you've got to make salaries work in a trade, and they've got a valuable package coming their way, they'll take Cody

Cece, but you're not trading Cody Cece to get rid of him at this point. Right. That's the thing. You're trading him because, hey, we gotta make the salaries work and Cody Cece's expiring. Get Ron Hainsey back. I wouldn't even hate that. Shit, yeah. Would not hate it, although that giveaway yesterday was pretty painful.

Like, what happened? Ron Hainsey playing 10 minutes a night is not the worst. If he's playing 10 minutes a night. There's something there. The Leafs have a different coach now, so he will play 10 minutes a night. I just, you ever listen to yourself as you're talking? Every time we talk about this, I'm like, I'm still, I'm still at summer camp outside of

Heron Park Arena, haggling with the Dickie D guy to get my $2 ice cream for $1.50. They got, they got to do something creative. They got to do, I want to see Kyle Dubas make a trade that I can't think of. He does. Right. He does that all the time. Tyson Berry trade. Yes.

Yeah. But it's been a while. Can I tell you something, Steven? Yes, Jesse. We're going to be sitting here. It's going to be game one of the Stanley Cup playoffs. We're going to be like, ah, it's coming up tonight or Saturday night or whenever we record before game one.

And the lineup's going to be tweeted out by Mark Masters or whoever's on it. Probably not. Bell. Garbage. Gross. Whoever wants to tweet it out that day. And on that defensive pairing is going to be Cody Ceci. He's going to be in the defensive car in that lineup game one of the playoffs.

Yeah, but we won't mind because he's playing four minutes a night behind Alex Petrangelo. Hey! Sure, but he's going to be in the lineup. I think we have to accept that. It doesn't look like there's going to be a deal this year for the Leafs. What you're saying is I'm not getting any ice cream today? You're not getting any ice cream. No, you're not getting any ice cream.

You're getting a Cody Cece this year and you're going to have to deal with it. You're my parents driving me home going, well, it's better for you anyway, son. What? No, you shouldn't have ice cream anyway. You got soccer practice tonight. That's what you're telling me. By the way, I have to, I have to issue an apology to, to Sense Nation. Because Brian five or six tweeted out last night.

Oh, who didn't quit. Yeah, he didn't quit. Un-quitter. He, he tweeted out, he's like, tonight's the night Nikita Zaitsev's going to score. And I, and I thought, ah, I'm going to jump in on that and say, no, he's not. Oh, no. And I said, if by score you mean ice the puck, then he'll have many goals. And if he had missed, he would have.

And, of course, in the last, like, 30 seconds, he pots a fucking empty netter! You're right! Absolutely unbelievable. Nikita Zaitsev is here to ruin my life, even when he's not Alif. And he ties Cody Ceci in goal scoring. Right. And Pecorino. And Pecorino.

That's right. Oof. Oof. That hurt. One. Ouch. Oh, my God. So my apologies, and Brian, five or six, said this.

He's like, you owe me a big apology. So my apology, Brian, you were right and I was wrong. And if I had picked any other night, and if you'd picked any other night, we wouldn't have been. But last night was the night you win. Brian, you win. You. Five or six times. Five or six times.

Well, you win them for five or six more years. Can you read out the tweet I sent you earlier about the Ottawa Senators? Oh, yes. One of our old-time favorites, Ken Campbell. You know, it was a strange feeling reading that tweet, because Ken Campbell is so averse to conflict. You know, there are some people... Okay, okay.

Can I just flip this out there? Listen, and everybody's got that friend. Everybody's got that friend that's like, they court mayhem, and they're like, I can't... And then afterwards, they're like, I can't believe how crazy people are. This is just... How did this happen? It's like, they start a fire, and then they're like,

I don't know why this fire started I only put gasoline down on the ground And dropped a match on it I can't believe that this happened So here's what Ken Campbell said He's friggin It's always sunny Wildcard bitches

I don't think he I don't think he ever complains about this one But there are people that do Apparently the Ottawa Senators really Really don't like it when journalists report Their attendance problems With that in mind There were 9,673 people there for their game against the New Jersey Devils tonight.

That's embarrassing for any NHL team and an abomination for one in Canada. And he is not wrong. So here's what happened there. Someone said, hey, Ken, how about you don't report that? And Ken said, how about I report it immediately? And then he reported it. That's what happens. But who's going to see an Ottawa-Jersey game?

No one, apparently. It's a Canadian team in a decent-sized city, school town. Like, there are people in Ottawa and the surrounding area. It's not that hard to get to the city. Here's the problem. Their games aren't in friggin' Ottawa, are they? No, they're in Canada. Right.

They're in Canada, but not spelled correctly. Kanata. We learned about that in a Heritage Moment. That's right. Did we? I believe so. It was one of the many Is this racist?

History commercials That we had in Canada When we were growing up Yeah And that was one of the ones Where I'm like Maybe a little There are some that you're like

Well they're definitely retiring those Yep There was that other one Where I'm like This guy is really passionate about fish Remember that one? Oh yeah How many fish are there?

Till the end of time And he does the sign of the cross While he's doing it It's like there are fish That's what I learned from this commercial. Anyway, Canada, boring. Dude, it is a Canadian team in a major city. And they're drawing nobody. And so I'm trying to think back to like 2017, for example. And there was that huge payment issue that affected a huge chunk of the city. Still? Like, I believe you. Like I don't know the ongoings of government workers

in Ottawa. Why doesn't anyone go? Other than they're just bad. Trash and people hate the owner. Is that it? I think they're trying to push the owner. Here's the thing though. I wonder, is the owner going to sell the team or is the owner going to move the team?

They're costing the owner so much money by not having any attendance on top of it. Doesn't he not even want to sell it? No, he doesn't want to because he's being obstinate. He's one of those guys that if you're like, hey man, it would be really great of you to pick him some groceries, he'd be like, sounds like a problem that you, it's your problem.

Hey man, don't eat trans fats. Oh, I guess I'm gonna have to crush them. Like, he's just one of those guys that he's a contrarian about everything. Henry King Campbell would get along. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Don't move the Sens. Well, how about I move them? Tell me if this is too much. If you want

to go see the Ottawa Senators play the Arizona Coyotes on February 13th, which is a Thursday, at It's 7.30 p.m. in Kanata, Ontario. You just listed everything about a game that makes it a tough sell. Forget the fact that it's the Sens. It's Arizona, which, I'm sorry, Coyotes fans, is a tough sell here.

It's 7.30 on a weeknight. Day before Valentine's Day. Oh, I didn't even... Hey, honey, guess what I got us? That conversation's not going to be plentiful in Ottawa. It's a wet blanket. Alright, how much do you think tickets start at? For one?

One ticket or two? One ticket A single ticket But Jesse, that's another thing, who the hell goes alone? Well, they come in a pair You get two You don't have to just get one I know, why don't I just answer your fucking question

I'm going to say Where are the seats? Oh my god, this is a show in a nutshell The cheapest ones? Yeah, cheapest ticket I'm going to say $50. If the cheapest tickets in Ottawa are not

less than $15, I'm rioting. See, when I saw this, I was like, I was with Adam. I was like, it should be $10. Yeah, it should be junior prices. Go sit in the nosebleed. It's $10. Get in the door. It should be less than a movie. Right. What does it cost to go see the Ottawa 67s?

That. Right. It should be that. It's $30. I think that's too much. It is too much. Yeah, I wouldn't call that wild. I thought it was going to cost a hundred bucks For a pair of you to go see the central ride To be fair though they are doing a lot of like ticket deals And like

Trying to package them So you can buy five games for a hundred bucks Let me throw this out there Oh they're raffle Something like that no no they're packaging them So it's like hey come see these five games for a hundred bucks Save some money So it's sixty bucks for a pair

Cheapest seats in the building You driving? Well, you gotta pay for parking No, I wanna have a couple beers I wanna actually help Keep this team afloat by buying beers I'm gonna drink this team into Stanley Cup contention You got an Uber there

Or you got a cab there Or you got a I don't know, it's sponsored by Lyft or something, isn't it? Right, so now all of a sudden you're jacking up Like the whole experience Is like between drinks And getting there and getting home And the tickets

It's like at least $150 Yeah, $100 per person, probably. $200. Listen, Toronto is a pain in the ass to get around, but Leaf games are literally the easiest thing to get to. It's the subway. The Leafs and Raptors. Yeah, Union Station.

It's all connected. Do you live in Oshawa? You don't even have to touch the pavement. Our boy Richard Petty. Right? That was Richard Petty. That was all him and that business association for the Raptors. It wasn't the Leafs.

It was the Raptors. Brilliant. They took an old post office building and said, We're putting an arena here now. The Air Canada Center at the time was supposed to be actually underneath the Union Station. So, it was even going to be even easier to get to. They were going to put the arena underneath? Yeah.

So, where the concourse is now, how they build this whole new Union Station, that's where the Air Canada Center was going to be. Yeah, that wouldn't be a problem at all. No. That wouldn't be a problem. Oh, that would be a major problem. On a quiet night, you actually hear trains go, gung, gung, gung. That'd be not cool. No!

I'd be terrified. Also, if you have to leave in an emergency, it's a lot of people filing up a lot of steps. You imagine there's, like, a leak. Oh, no. So you're shutting down transit for the whole city and the Leafs. Everyone's pissed. Madison Square Garden's built on top of the train station.

Yeah, it's, like, three or four floors or something like that. It's up top on top of it, yeah. That's how you do it. Same idea. That's how you do it. But here, it's attached. Same thing. It's great.

Yeah, yeah. Sands Games, hardest thing in the world. Impossible to get to. Impossible to get to. Not impossible to get to, but they're fucking smart. I think most of that has to do with the owner, though. I think they're voting with their dollars in Ottawa as they should. They want this guy out, and they want him out now.

For our live podcast that we had in Ottawa, didn't we go have lunch at the market or something like that? And then I drove to the CWHL No, it was the Clarkson Cup Final And I remember driving and just being like I'm still not there You know? Well, and the whole I think really people

I mean, I hate to keep bringing up the Labretta and Flats thing Because it must sting if you're an Ottawa fan It's the number one issue It would have been so easy And all he had to do was Do a good business deal there Because there was money to be made and he just is such an obstinate person.

He's such a contrarian. He's such a pain in the ass to deal with that he couldn't even get that done. And the funny thing is, is that Eugene Melnick is bad in terms of business-wise. I don't know what he's like as a person, but he's a bad businessman in this case.

Obviously, he's made money in his life. But when you look at your assets and you talk about asset depreciation, When your asset is already depreciating, you don't have cards on the table anymore. You got to go along to get along and make sure that that asset continues. So if you were to put it into stock terms, if you've got a stock that's on the down and somebody throws you a lifeline and says, here's how we could recover that for you. And you go, no, you're going to do it my way.

They're going to say, OK, fuck off then. And that's exactly what happened. The Senators franchise, the brand, was on its way down anyway for all the reasons you just mentioned. He was thrown a lifeline and he wouldn't do it. And he has now gone and thrown the value of the franchise even further down. And the longer he owns this, the worse it will get. And I don't care how long it takes them to turn it around because it's going to take more than this. It's not going to be a quick turnaround like the Leafs.

The Leafs had players. They had pieces. They had Van Riemsdyk. They had Bozak, they had Kadri, they had Morgan Rielly on the upswing. They also had unlimited money. Not like that. No, but the Leafs also had unlimited money to just lose and suck and then fuel all that into the franchise. But they did it quickly.

Yeah, and Ottawa doesn't have that luxury. What if the thing that saves the franchise and makes everything easier and they start winning and fans want to see them and people want to buy the team. Is Lafreniere. Yeah. What helps a team that's on the verge of moving more than a first overall pick who plays in Rimouski? I still don't think it helps. Like, I still think the owner situation that I'm talking about, it's endless until something happens. Penn's ownership, as shaky as it was at the time that you're talking about, did not tell the city to go screw itself.

Right. Right. But is it, are they maybe easier for Melnick to sell and get the hell out from under? Yes. It's definitely easier if the product on the ice is good. But I don't think, like, the Leafs, the product is, the product got good really quickly. But that brand is undying And the team's never going anywhere

In Ottawa It's a different situation We have an owner Who's shaky in terms of business And who knows What's going to happen To the team Who cares what the

On ice product is This is the business side And it's clearly not working And them winning We already know Does not fix it No Because they were winning

They were in the conference finals And we were saying Game 7 We were saying that And we got a lot of heat From Sens fans at the time Yeah sorry We got a lot of heat

From Sens fans at the time Going how the hell Is this not sold out This is outrageous This is ridiculous. Oh, well, it's this, and it's this, and it's this, and it's all those reasons that you mentioned. People don't want to go. It's a playoff game.

No, there's still... It's an Eastern Conference final game. Yeah, to anyone criticizing it, you want to go. Yeah. I know you want to go. You're listening to a hockey podcast. How come you can't find 19,000 others? Yeah.

Yes. 15. 15. Well, no, that stadium's like a 20,000-seater, though. That's a big stadium. No, but I'm saying you could still be, like, bottom five in the league in attendance and nearly double it. Right. It's like Sens, Islanders, Panthers

And then everybody else can somehow reach that threshold The Yotes are getting a lot more than that I'm pretty sure Oh yeah And like people there don't even know where the arena is As I found it when I was in Arizona Adam found that out? Literally No I, listen the Coyotes I had a little bit of that in St. Louis actually

Did you? I was surprised They're cup winners I was like this driver must not make a lot of money On account of he doesn't know where the freaking arena is Yeah I know that's probably just You have a quiet weekend, sir. I just wish there was something going on this weekend that I could make money off of.

That was weird. Do you ever, what, is this just a regular occurrence? You have Green Day playing in the middle of the street? Yeah, that was very strange. So, according to Russian Machine, by the way, this is somewhat breaking. Oh. And they are reporting a story from John Hoven of MayorsManor.com So that's Kings

Yeah, he joined SiriusXM And it's reported that the name has been decided on for Seattle Seattle Kraken Hey! The Kraken! I like it I do like it I like it a lot

Yeah Wow, okay That's cool Considering, dude Way better than the Sockeyes I would have bet money on the Sockeyes Way better than the Sockeyes The Kraken's good

That jersey's got potential Oh yeah What will the color scheme be? Same as the Seahawks Yeah, I was just gonna say It's gonna be that green and blue and gray Yeah Don't they have purple?

Oh wait, no they don't Ah, cause it's an octopus, right? I would love it if they weren't the Sonics It's a giant squid The old Sonics colors The gold and white and stuff like that And the green? Yeah, I kinda like the Sonics colors

Let's just settle on It would be If they're gonna do They're gonna do the Seahawks colors For sure I would think so It's the same as the Oh

But The Canucks are Maybe a little too close With their Oh Jesse's right Their green and Interesting Oh yeah the Canucks are Seahawks colors

Right The Canucks are Seahawks colors I think it's Maybe you can convince the Canucks Maybe you can convince the Canucks To finally drop those jerseys And go back to the one from the 90s That everybody likes

The red ones? Yeah I'm sorry The black ones? I'm gonna just go on I know there's a lot of people That really like the Canucks jerseys I haven't liked them since the 90s

Not one iteration I like them Nah I like those Nothing blinks black and yellow Nothing That was such a Strong

Color scheme Not every team can just wear black But the Canucks could They could Why can't they? I guess It's the Canucks I guess they could

I guess they could It's like ESHL The Lions Even like Pavel Bure's Like Pavel Bure jersey In white Even looks good Looks good

Like here's the thing Trevor Linden The jerseys look Their jerseys look good But those 90s jerseys were great. Trevor Linden, in other Canucks jerseys that he actually wore. Weird, right? Tweeted the night last night, by the way,

Vince Carter has been playing basketball so long that his opponents are wearing throwback jerseys that he used to wear. Yes. That just used to be the uniform. By the way, I don't know if you guys watched the Raptors game last night. The NBA has got some wacky jersey policies. And everything's a third jersey or fourth or fifth jersey, right? So we know that.

Like, the Raptors won a championship without the word Raptors on their jersey. Like, it's just North, right? And I love that jersey. Those are their city jerseys. Right. Right. But now they have different city jerseys. Yes, because city jerseys can change.

Which has a completely different color. So the Atlanta city jersey just says Peachtree on it. Yes. I saw that. And I was like, and it's just black. And you're like... No. It's not a good look.

Get it? Georgia Peach! No. No. No. Just no. What are you doing like peach tree? Not into it nah me neither. What is the Raptors one say six north north north? Oh, Jesus

Peach tree. Yeah, I like the Blazers City Jersey says Rip City But what does that mean early? I don't know what that means about Portland, but they're Rip City. I've never yeah I saw that it's so strange. There's some weird City jerseys out there. Yeah, the Miami Vice ones are wicked That's really good. Man, those are so cool. I like the Raptors one. I like the North one. I like the Miami Vice one.

That's perfect. I don't think the Knicks and Lakers do it. I think you play in those jerseys. You're the Lakers. You play in the Laker jersey, right? Milwaukee? Oh, my God. Do you know this?

I think I do. Just do it. Just do it. Do you know this? Is it just fear the deer? No. It's Cream City. Do you have any of the other ones?

Cream City. You're joking. I don't. Please let me see this shitty jersey. Right there. What are you doing? No! No!

Man, if that's what Milwaukee's called, you pretend like it isn't. You just don't know it. Cream City. in a cream jersey. That could mean a lot of things. Don't show Steve anything else. Steve, come back over. Do you have some of the

other ones? Yeah, I got one here. They're really good. Tell me what Houstons are. Oh, something don't mess with Texas nonsense. It could just be like this the shape of the state. H-Town.

I don't mind. Is this a hot take? I don't mind H-Town. You should. Why? You should mind that, Jesse. H-Town! They call it H-Town! You're not even, Jesse, you don't even believe that take.

And you are the guy who argues everything. And you're like, oh, come on, guys. H-Town's okay. No, it's not. What about Usher? What did Usher say? H-Town. To start off, yeah, or something.

No, peace up, A-Town down. Oh, A-Town. Fuck. And wasn't that Atlanta? Beyonce said it. Which is why they had a little gun. Beyonce said H-Town one time. She was in Helsinki just now.

Oh my God. Oh no. Here's another good one. Cream City. Minnesota. Prince lived here. Yeah, it should be that. Kirby Puckett.

Yeah, it should actually be. Isn't it amazing that all we know about Minnesota has to do with an old Chris Rockett? It's one of the funniest words ever. What should be the prince's symbol? They have prince jerseys. They wore them last year, and they look incredible. That's cool. Are they purple?

Yes. Sick. And they're out of this world. Sick. Okay. So, what is the full name of Minnesota's capital city where the Wild play and the Timberwolves play? It's not Minneapolis. It's St. Paul.

It's Minneapolis-St. Paul. Oh. Because it's like Tampa-St. Pete. They're two cities that have molded together. So, it's going to be something like Minneapolis. MSP. You're fucking... Just M.S.P. M.S.P. It's terrible.

It honestly, it looks like, uh, uh, it looks like something that you, like, that you, when you're leasing a car, that you need to look at. Like, well, what's the M.S.P. on it? You know what I mean? This is the M.S.P. price? Is this the M.S.P. price?

I don't want to pay a dollar more. It's not a dollar on this Mazda. Oh, shit. I didn't make enough M.S.P. contributions. Now, New Orleans is NOLA, which I like. New Orleans. I get it. I get it.

It works. It makes sense. Okay, here's the standard for top half. I don't look at it and go, what? NOLA, I get it. Cream City, what? What? MSP.

Huh? There must be something cream related in Milwaukee. Because I thought, like, beer? Is it creamy beer? I don't know. If, even if. Call it Beer City. You go with something else

Sud City Sud City Come on Anyway The Brew Crew The Brew Crew I think that might already be taken Yeah

Anyway How about this one Golden State Warriors Who stink Yeah well when Four of your best players Are no longer there It's weird what happens

No No you're right Golden They already have the Isn't it already a nickname? Golden State? Yeah it is Just go with Golden State

They can't call themselves San Francisco for some reason But Jesse I believe, don't give this away But I believe they wore these in the finals, did they not? They have the circle on them? Yeah, those are the regular jerseys The ones with the Bridge in it and the regular logo

No, no, no, there's another one with a tree It's a tree I never actually looked that hard at the tree logo It's, you ready? Bridge Town Are you ready? The town. Yeah, those are the cities.

What are you, the Celtics? There's a movie called The Town about Boston. Oh, my God. Can you, do you have the Hornets? I know the Hornets is good. Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on. Oh, they're Charlotte now, right? Yes.

Okay. Oh, by the way, there's one I don't understand, and I hesitate to make fun of it. The Brooklyn Nets one is Bed- Bed-Stuy. Bed-Stuy. That's a really good, that's where their jerseys are based off of Biggie. Oh! And it's Coochie Sweaters, which I'm kind of wearing one right now.

Yes, you are. And Bed-Stuy is where he's from. It's a suburb in New York. Those are really dope. Bed-Stuy may stay. That makes a lot of sense. Bed-Stuy may stay. You're in there with NOLA and North.

What was the one you wanted me to look up? The Charlotte Hornets. I think it's their one from last year. Okay. All right, all right, all right. Hang on, BLT. Oh, no. Charlotte.

I was there for five seconds. Oh, yeah. Over this past week? Alright. And you know what I saw? It's the one I'm talking about. Steve. Okay. Well, there's a few different options, actually. Yeah.

Charlotte's got a few things. Honk if you're horny. Which would be great. We found it. Hey, Steve, what airport did you go through when you went through Charlotte? What's the airport code? I can't remember the name. Come on. Oh. I can't remember.

Shaw. C-H-A So that's what it is And then No well no It's gonna be like Cha-cha slide I'm saving the best

For last Jesse So just don't Because this This is actually Sort of creative Because it There's three Different versions here

If Charlotte is known For among Other things An international Airport hub Which it is Petey Pablo

No If it's known For an international Airport hub Taking off your shirt. And basketball is a lot of jumping. Twisting it around your hand. What would it be?

Basketball? No, think about this. Spinning it like a helicopter, sorry. Basketball is a lot of jumping. You know, Charlotte's about being up in the air. You know? Cha-cha jump. City of...

Air? City of flight. That's another one. Which is, believe it or not, a Michael Jordan jersey, because he did... Didn't he not... No, he doesn't. He doesn't own the Charlotte Hornets, does he? Yes, he owns a part of the Hornets.

That's right. So they got Jordan-branded stuff. Yeah. And the last one, if you are a Hornet... The Atlanta Hawks makes sense for City of Flight. I'm like, oh, you're a hawk. When I think of flying, I don't think Hornet. Well, International Hub.

The International Airport Hub. That's why. That's your thing? That's why I brought it up. The Jersey should just say there's an airport here. Okay, how about this? Okay. I have another one after this.

This is a fun game. I have a whole list of other awesome... This is a fun, fun game. Okay. Oh, my God. Okay, all right. So you're thinking hornet yeah, and you're thinking city Take a hornet in a city. We're still on yeah

I told you so if you got a city mmm and It's mascot is a hornet mmm. What does a hornet do with a city? What does that make was it oh no? Okay Sting city I think might be kind of cool. That would be way better imagine It's not that. It's definitely not that, and I bet, and I swear to God I don't know this answer, and I think I'm right, though. Is it Stingtown?

No. Which would be amazing. Might even be better than what it actually is, which is... Stingport? Buzz City. Fuck! And the jerseys weren't even ugly. They're not...

They're not good. Yeah. Sting City! Sting City. Buzz City. Buzz City. Sting City would be good. Sting City would be cool.

I would be down with Sting City. Kind of. I mean, it's better than Buzz City. That's so bad. I don't know if you have Facebook on that computer, but I sent you a comprehensive list of all of them. Oh, yeah, the full list. You just scroll through.

I do have Facebook. It's really good. Oh, great. Because I was on the website, like, looking at, trying to pull them up. I thought I was right. So, yeah, just go through that one and go to Sacramento. Okay. Oh, okay, Jesse, or Steve, I know this one.

Steve, what would Sacramento be? I mean, like, King Town, King City, King Royal City. Keep trying, but less mature. Crown Town. Less mature. Less mature? Smelly butts. No, no, think Sacramento.

Okay. And their city jerseys. And their city jerseys. What can you pull out of Sacramento that could be very immature and a grade 7 would think of? And then put it on an NBA jersey. Is it Sack Town? It sure is! check it out too

no they say sack down on them and when did they become red when did the Sacramento Kings get red and powder blue when did the Sacramento Kings turn into the Washington

Wizards what are these jerseys no they look like the Washington Bullets how did this get past hey I have an idea oh god sack town no you photoshop that right now that's how you did it um one last one thing we should look at too yes are you thinking the washington thing did you look at washington see north is boring but it's not sack okay now steve this isn't if you were a buzzfeed um so there's no good way to say think of think of we're on since we're at sacktown oh god we're

still on sacramento no we're talking about washington now but along the lines of sacktown think of the most immature looking logo you could possibly think of and what would it be Literally a wizard. No, no, no, no, I'm talking about I'm talking about immature and like a grade seven like ha ha ha sort of way. Go worse. All 30 teams would just be a dick logo It's a penis with a hand and a basketball coming out of it, that's literally what Washington looks like Was this a fan submission? Submission from a third grader who is currently shitting themselves because you actually chose Two folks your kids three two one a dick and balls

Jersey and the end of the basketball is coming is our hands the basketball is Because whatever you want it to be, no. I mean, if that was my color, I'd be going to see a doctor. I'm just throwing that out there. That'd be a little concerned. They went away to make it look like a dick and balls. They did. They really did.

They, like, went out of their way. Like, that logo, you could have it and not have it. You know what? The basketball could be in the middle. Sure. It could be anywhere but at the... Even then. It could be next to the shaft, but instead, they have an out-of-their-way Dick and Balls logo.

Aren't they doing really bad this year? Yes. Good. They deserve it. They deserve it. What are they doing? Oh, my God. You think you can't get a job in professional sports?

Graphic design. Kids. Other small notes. You won't be able to see the San Antonio Spurs. Their jerseys are camouflage. Yeah, they're that gray and black camouflage. Oh, they're the Bushwhackers. Those are their city jerseys. I have to say, I respect the Philadelphia one looks cool. It's got that off-white color and it's the old school. The Celtics one is cool.

I like the Loft Suns for Phoenix Suns. Yes! The Celtics one's the one from the Christmas game, right? Yes. Yeah, those are cool. They're very cool. Yeah. Detroit's Motor City, obviously, but I think Detroit's kinda ugly. Like, I'm just not a big fan of it. You can have an ugly jersey as long as the name is cool and you don't have a dick and balls in the middle of your chest. That's what it is! What a perfect way to end that segment.

I don't know if it could get any better than that. We peaked. Yeah, that was it. That's it. It's done. Listen, tonight we've got, among other things, the Leafs are playing, but more importantly, it's Calgary Edmonton. And this is Kassian's first game back, and it's so funny.

I was listening to his press conference today. And he's this is this is where the NHL becomes dweeb City Okay, Portland's Rift City. We're dweeb City. Okay, so Zach Cassian and Presenting dweeb Daniel Kachuk have this rivalry Daniel. I heard Dale Marlin Marlon Kachuk Damien Wayans It's been a long day

I'm fighting another cold My kid is sick And I just can't do Bradley Aniston Billy Kachuk Not Brady What's the other one? Do you have a fever?

Yeah I don't know man What happened to you? I don't know I don't know What's his name? I can't think of it Marlon Wayans

Matthew So close to Daniel Anyway, they're both in the Bible, whatever. And being the religious one here, you know, with the two confirmed Catholics, I, uh... We're both baptized. It's true, you're going to hell, Ethan. Yeah, that's right. Not baptized.

But anyway, um, the, uh... So Marlon Wayans. So Marlon Wayans. So Kachuk and Cassian... So they're making White Girls 3. Yeah. Or whatever one they're on. White Girls 3.

Problematic. Can't wait. No, White Chicks, you guys. Still one of the funniest movies of all time So good White Chicks 3, yes, actually Okay, so Kachuk and Cassian have this thing

They hate each other It feels a little bit like the 80s Oilers and Flames It's kind of fun, both teams are doing really well They're fighting for tops in the division You know, Kachuk wins Matthew Kachuk wins round one By goading Cassian into it into a penalty

that leads to the game winner like poetic and then after the game Kachuk says he's not a good player I'm not going to fight him

and Kassian says I don't know why he won't fight me and does a bunch of other things and I'm not bad anymore I'm good I'm now good Kassian

and it was really good and then he gets suspended for a couple games for you know what happened we've all been through that says he's not sorry and then

so I contextualize that you know all this stuff but I'm repeating that stuff so you can hear this stuff Which today, and I am paraphrasing, Cassian said, you guys are making a bigger deal of this than it really is. Like, if this was ten years ago, this happened all the time. Zachary. Now.

Zachary. Is he saying this before the game so he doesn't get in trouble? And then when he steps on the ice, he starts beating people's faces in. Either way. They really should get another way of opening face-off. Either way, well, apparently player safety will be there. They're actually attending the game. Probably the first one applauding it

But I listen I'm excited. I'm excited for what this I'm not gonna be able to always stay up and watch the game I'm excited for the highlights tomorrow your safety is gonna be there can someone tell them about cameras Someone they know they got a ticket. They know it's on TV right like Jesus Christ the intimidation factor of them in the building Oh all the intimidations for 60 are huge There yeah, like they're gonna look at the perilous like just shit shit scops cops cops It's George Peros. He can suspend you from here. He can suspend you from there.

He can suspend you anywhere. But he won't. He can suspend you. But he won't. He sure can. He can suspend you, Cassian. You see? I see what you did there.

It was good. Catholic, Dr. Seuss. Learned a lot about my childhood. No, I'm just, listen. I found it was like, oh, like, you know what? You know what would have been a better move? Say nothing. Say nothing.

I'm giving up on you. Let the fans enjoy the excitement of this and say nothing. Don't say, oh, you media guys are making a bigger deal of this. No. No, Zach. You took the media aside and held your own press conference after the last time and talked about how he won't fight you, how he's got to answer the bell. All of these things, and all of a sudden we're making the big deal?

You gave us the quote! A guy named Buddy got called up. Don't tell me this isn't real. His name is Buddy. It's the most hockey name ever. And he's not your buddy. He's here to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And guess what?

Guess what he's out of? Hoots to give. That's what he's out of. That's what Buddy is out of. His hoots per 60 is zero. It's none. No hoots. It's the end of the show.

And I just want to say, I'm so excited for this game. I just wish we didn't have to make it lame. It'll be something. It's going to be cool. And listen, I don't think anything crazy is going to happen. Usually it's a big letdown in the NHL. But I just want them to play a competitive hockey game that's fun to watch. But please, stop going out and blaming local media in Edmonton and Calgary for this.

Are you out of your mind? It's lazy and wrong. Yeah. Jesse, can you look this up? Can you look up the Flames and Oilers schedule, or just the Flames? Because they play tonight. Flames played last night against the reigning Stanley Cup champions. That's a tough front half to your back-to-back, and then you're expecting World War III.

I wonder if tonight is relatively tame. We're disappointed. We sort of forget about it. And then when they play next, which I think is Saturday night. Oh, they play back-to-back. Well, kind of back-to-back. Two games in a row. When's the next one?

Saturday. So they play The Flames play tonight And then they play again Saturday If both games are versus Edmonton If I'm That's cool If I'm broadcasting this game

I'm like Can you Can you wait for Saturday No no no Wednesday's a national game too If you're broadcasting If you're the broadcaster right now You want them to go hard

Tonight You want them to go hard Saturday You want them to face in the first round Of the playoffs You want all the chaos Of every game You want all that

Full chaos Give it to us Right Give it to us You know what? My team is not involved. I want to see these guys tear each other apart. Steve, that's unethical. I'm aware.

If I was ethical, I wouldn't watch hockey at all. But, flawed. Sorry, I'm a sinner. We've already touched on the Catholic stuff. Yeah, I love football. I love football. And you shouldn't. But you do. It's like the John Oliver thing where he goes into FIFA and he talks about how bad

FIFA is, and he's like, but we love it! And he's right. I cannot wait to see how this goes I haven't been this excited about a game in a long time Calgary-Edmonton They are a point apart in the standings Edmonton's got two games in hand

So if they win tonight They're a point up on Calgary And It's a huge game They've got two games in hand Like come on How cool is that? It's an enormous game

Enormous This is the kind of This is what we want Yes This is what I live for Can I read you guys a short story? Sure Andrew Berkshire texted me

We text each other on almost a daily basis Ew so and so and 31 thoughts just came out and he sent me a link to 31 thoughts uh-huh this one is actually from let me see this is from elliot friedman's 31 thoughts from october 30th 2019 this is thought 29 when is this from october 30th 2019 october 30th of this past of this past October yes okay okay it's an enormous story and I feel like the entire hockey world missed it somehow okay thought 29 from October 30th 2019 presented without comment from the outstanding instigators radio show with Andrew Peters Craig Rive and Brian Gionta on WGR in Buffalo in round

one of the 2006 Stanley Cup playoffs Montreal led eventual Stanley Cup champion Carolina 2-0. Remember that? They were up 2-0 in the series. Saku Koivu had two assists in the first two games and was injured by an accidental high stick in game three. But there was another injury as Rive, Koivu's

teammate, or sorry, roommate said in an incredible story. After the pregame skate and lunch buffet ahead of game three they went back up to the room. While getting dressed, well I'll let Rive take over. We sprinted down the hall, met at the bathroom at the same time. Obviously because Saku was quicker,

he beat me there. But I always had to have the last laugh, so I blew him up into the back of the toilet bowl. Water started pouring out of the toilet because we completely obliterated it. Water was flooding our room. He's yelling at me, call the trainer! Call the trainer! He walks down the hall to grab his phone and all of a sudden, I was gasping because there was blood all down his back, all down his butt. You couldn't even see

his butt. And he was naked, by the way. I wipe him down with a white towel, which is even worse, right? Just to see where the blood was coming from. And there was a gaping open wound coming out of his back. It was the most disgusting thing. It was humongous

how deep it was. Whoa. Who are the two people involved? Craig Rivet and Saku Koivu. Saku Koivu was the captain of the Habs. Right. Koivu missed the bus to the game because he was taken to a private hospital. He couldn't touch his toes, said Rivet, but he was able to play. Don't know how he did it. Koivu did get hurt by the stick and Montreal lost four in a row as Carolina won it all. How did the coaches not strangle Rivet, because I think we told him he slipped on the floor." Wow. They were up 2-0 on the eventual Stanley Cup champions.

The Habs could have gone on to win the cup that year, we could have had an Oilers-Canadians Stanley Cup final. But we didn't, because Craig Rivet tackled Saku Koivu into a toilet. In a race to the washroom. in a race to the bathroom while he was naked. Fuck. That was awesome.

I'm gonna chirp Elliot. How is that thought 29? That's number one! That's wild! That decided a Stanley Cup! Kind of. That a defenseman checked his captain into a toilet that he destroyed

and cut him open with. Holy shit I know it doesn't exactly fit With where the show was going But I couldn't leave here today How many of those stories exist in hockey A million Like stupid dumb shit

Like we all laughed at Trevor Bauer When he cut his finger on the drone And then tried to pitch Like that happens all All the time All the time People hurting themselves doing stupid shit I

I can't even there was a player in a recent Stanley Cup final James Reimer let's yeah San Jose

oh I was gonna say within the last five years and he did play in the Stanley Cup final in the last five years but there was a story from the past five years where there was a player

who literally couldn't play in the Stanley Cup final because they were fucking around between the conference final and Stanley Cup final like they were just doing stupid shit

off the ice and hurt themselves like it's it's amazing It's amazing. Sorry, I just had to tell you that story. That's a great story. That's a great story.

So the new 31 Thoughts, there's a little tease for you, is up today. Let's do the press conference. If we have a conference to press. Anyway. A Panini press town. That's our jersey. How many points slash goals does Roman Polek score tonight in his return to Toronto? Two assists.

Adam Wilde? I hesitate to say none Because I said Nikita Zaitsev would have none last night And the one day of the year That he's going to score I think He gets an assist on the first goal Which will be in the first 30 seconds

That's what I think That's what I think You know that's a Leaf thing to happen Also look for Ben Bishop to play out of his mind Yeah he's going to be incredible It's going to be out of his mind Tyler Sagan too loves to eat the Leaf Oh, it's crazy, isn't it?

This one is from Marlowe's Marlies on our Reddit page. Adam, since you are doing renovations on your house and you have not had a fridge, where have you stored your jeans? Well, you see, it's cold in Canada. I just put them outside. Actually? Shut up. I believe you, though.

No, I don't. I just don't wash them. I'm not playing in the mud, Steve Like, I shower every day Except you don't wash your legs Okay, have you Do you ever sit down on public transit? No, I rarely

I don't have to take public transit Public transit is not open at the time I go to work What about in an Uber? Do I sit down? Yeah Yeah Lots of ass has been on that seat And now they're

Yeah, lots of ass is my ass I am lots of ass I carry that everywhere And now there's all kinds of asses Sitting on your ass right now There's your ass is the epicenter Of everything that's been on the news I am coronavirus You are corona booty virus

Okay alright I'm not going to bring up a problematic YouTuber Do you guys want to hear about a YouTuber Tell me about the coronavirus YouTuber Because of course Let me guess. He faked someone's death and did a prank of coronavirus and then ran out on the streets

and started coughing on people. The thumbnail is, I have the coronavirus. So there's a Chinese influencer named Wang Meijun. I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing that incorrectly. But she decided for her YouTube video because every YouTube video needs to one-up itself. We know YouTube by now. It's always like, hey, I did this thing and now I did this thing. It's always got to elevate the next video upload.

So her video was, no, she decided to eat the bat linked to coronavirus on her channel. So the bat that was linked to the coronavirus outbreak, she said, I'm going to eat it for this YouTube video. It's not the exact bat. It's like the species of bat, right? Well, the species of bat that's linked to coronavirus. She ate it on her channel. What happened?

That she was fine now, but she had she apologized She had a bowl rigging bat soup causing global outrage Wang broke her silence on the clip which has been viewed by millions of people and a long post to her website after she was Inundated with abuse including death threats. Ooh, that's not cool. Oh, no, she messed up. You're supposed to do this before January That's when all the big youtubers make their controversial fuck-up video is before January Yeah, because you make your most money in December, right? You see a lot of that happen in December. You see a lot of like, whoa, videos.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy, but I am very tinfoil hat about the Logan Paul Japan video. Oh, 100%. That happened when it happened on purpose. They know. Because you don't, just for anybody that doesn't know, advertising sales tend to drop off because people tend to stop spending in January. They need some time to recover. So, in YouTube terms, you make less money in January for the same amount of work as you would in December. Hence why a lot of YouTubers sort of, like, blow it off in January.

They take a vacation because they make, like, literally less than a quarter of what they usually do. Yeah, so why waste your content when you're not going to make money? Yeah, you're burnt out anyway. Yeah. Some time off. So, they do. You go hard in December and then, yeah, have a little break in January. Poof.

Anyways. Yikes. I don't know how we got there. That's a tough move. So literally, I ate the coronavirus? Oh my god. Imagine that was her thumbnail. I ate the coronavirus bat?

Hold on, what's the guy's name from Red Dead Redemption? Not the YouTuber, what's the main character's name from Red Dead Redemption? Arthur Morgan? Arthur Morgan eats the bat that gave you, Arthur Morgan gets coronavirus? Arthur Morgan is ghost? Is in Grand Theft Auto? Drinking a rat? That's funny.

Fidget spinner? BTS? Cream City? Team's logo is a dick? And I think with that, we will wrap the show. What do you guys think? you gotta go back and watch this please just watch

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